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treatment for a possibly dislocated (and put back into place) little finger - hospital?

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PavlovtheCat · 01/09/2014 20:31

DD fell from a swing on saturday, bent her little finger back really hard. She is not a complainer, but was in a LOT of pain. However, he finger didn't seem particularly bent, little bit of of alignment, but not much and so was her other finger, they all seem a bit crooked! We were camping, with a nurse, who checked, said that she didn't think it was broken as she was moving it without being in agony, although she did cry (not like her). She did the moving thumb to fingers exercise and she could move her little finger reasonably well although not to her thumb, and she complained it hurt a lot.

It was swollen, in particular around the knuckle, and very red. My friend strapped it with some tape but felt it was ok, but probably bent the ligaments back really badly. Over the course of a couple of hours, she developed some bruising, and then said she heard a clicking sound as she moved her fingers, follow by more pain.

Much discussion about whether to take her to local hospital to check it out, consensus (against my better judgment) was that hospital would not do much as it's a finger, even if it was broken which it seemed DH and friend, and others didn't think it was. And I felt like an over anxious mother.

My nurse friend said she wondered whether it might have in fact been partially dislocated after DD said it clicked and felt like it moved. Asked what I thought as the swelling was really quite bad, with some dark bruising coming out, but not at the tip, it was largely at the base of the finger and up towards the second knuckle joint of the middle of the finger.

Still, the view was if it was dislocated and had gone back into it's correct position they wouldn't do anything.

She swam and dived in a swimming pool yesterday with it strapped, said it hurt, and felt cold and funny in the water, but that she could push the pain to the back of her mind (she has always had a high pain threshold especially if it means she can carry on with something).

She has struggled to use that hand to get dressed, can't bend it back without lots of pain, but has some mobility in it. Today she has complained of pain, quite a lot of it, but got on with things. She went diving (lesson), at her own insistence, but after, complained it hurt.

It is quite dark and swollen still, in particular around the knuckle. I am not happy with it really.

DH insists it's not broken or dislocated as otherwise she would be in much more pain than she is. He actually refused to let me take her to the hospital and created a huge scene, telling me I was simply indulging myself by taking her (not sure what he meant by that, don't like the implication), and she would miss her tea, and muck up the start of us trying to get their bedtime routine back after the summer holidays. He said he will take her to our GP tomorrow, with DS in tow, and if he said she needs to get it checked then he will take her (he won't, I will, as he hates hospitals and he will have DS while work, so once I finish work I will take her, we both know that). He said that it can wait another day.

Am I being an over-anxious mother? I expect he is right that they won't do anything, but feel I would prefer to know if there is a break. And I hate to see her in pain and not being able to do anything to help. I expect they won't give her pain relief any differently that I have already, and they will strap it, like I have already.

Is there anything else they would do if there is a break or if it was dislocated?

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PavlovtheCat · 01/09/2014 20:32

oh that''s slow long. I could have said it so much more easily, and quickly, but well, it all blurted out!

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PavlovtheCat · 01/09/2014 20:38

I talk about hospital, but actually, of course I could take her to a MIU too.

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Moreisnnogedag · 01/09/2014 20:41

I'd take her to A&E - fingers don't often need extra doing to it but can occasionally if dislocated pull off a bit of bone that needs either splinting (in proper splints) or fixing. We often see them and advise splint age and mobilisation at a certain period after the injury; this occasionally needs specialist physio input. The hand is a bit delicate and hates injuries. Tbh I much prefer seeing them in clinic and doing nothing (apart from advice) than weeks down the line if something did need doing and it's now too late. Trust me, no one will (or should) complain about seeing hand injuries in A&E.

Doi: this is my field of work. Whereabouts are you?

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PavlovtheCat · 01/09/2014 20:58

I am in the west country. Thank you for the good advice. I expect then, when DH takes her to GP tomorrow he will just send her to MIU or A&E?

DD is 8 btw, worth mentioning. DH was so adamant she was not going to hospital. I just don't get what the problem is, I have the same view, better good news that leave it and there be a problem later thats harder or impossible to fix.

It hasn't been left too late already has it? Happened on Saturday afternoon, we got back home last night.

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PavlovtheCat · 01/09/2014 20:59

I wish I had just told DH to sod off and that I was taking her anyway. He told me when I was at work that he fully expected that I would take her as 'he knows what I'm like', then once I collected him from work he actually insisted I didn't take her.

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Moreisnnogedag · 01/09/2014 21:06

No not too late. Your DH is being a bit of an arse. So what if you get to A&E and they say it's all grand? Trust me, far rather that, than there be a problem that's neglected. How would he feel about that?!

Chances are everything will be fine, nothing will need doing but there tips still a possibility that your dd might need a bit more input to get to being back to fine. Oh and you can tell him a little finger is actually important for grip strength so worth getting it looked at. Tell him to sod off!

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PavlovtheCat · 01/09/2014 21:21

Thank you Smile I think so to Grin (re DH).

I will tell DH to bypass GP in the morning and take her straight to A&E.

Is A&E better than MIU for finger breaks/dislocations? MIU website says they can deal with simple limb fractures. They are both the same distance from us, so in terms of ease, no major difference, and the local hospital has a good children's A&E and the waits don't really seem hugely different.

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Moreisnnogedag · 01/09/2014 21:30

Tbh I'd rather go to A&E especially if the waits the same. Mainly because there are doctors around and paediatric X-rays can be difficult to interpret so we usually find people went to miu and were then passed on to the local A&E which can be a bit of a faff.

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PavlovtheCat · 01/09/2014 21:35

good, I feel happier about that. and they do nicer coffee there and a chicken and leek pie if i end up going

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rideyourbike · 01/09/2014 21:45

Take her to hospital. Sounds either dislocated or broken to me.Sad

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PavlovtheCat · 03/09/2014 21:00

DH took her to the GP Hmm who said it was a sprained ligament and to strap it and keep an eye for a week, if not improvement in pain/swelling then take her to MIU, rather than A&E. Pretty much everything I thought the opposite of! He said it might be there is a little chip where it might have dislocated but he doesn't think it's broken.

I really, really don't agree actually. DH is like 'you are not a doctor, you have not had medical training, he has and has been a GP for years and years'. But. It's very, very bruised, and the bruising goes down into the palm of her hand a little, it's really quite swollen, especially at the knuckle, and when she splays her fingers she can't spread the little one outward, although she can bend it toward the palm reasonably well now.

It also seems daft to wait a week and then take her for an x-ray, on a school day, versus just bloody well taking her now and ruling it out. But, The Boss has spoken, guided by the GP and he remains of the opinion that I would be taking her to alleviate my own worries, which is about me, not DD. Which, may be true, but I don't like the idea that she might have damage going on that can be assessed now, not next week.

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Moreisnnogedag · 04/09/2014 20:25

Ugh well tell your DH that I do have a medical degree and years of training plus (tadah) work in orthopaedics so there. What's the point in all that faffing?!

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Moreisnnogedag · 04/09/2014 20:26

Sorry that actually came across as really mean and self-aggrandising. I have had a crappy day of morning sickness.

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PavlovtheCat · 05/09/2014 21:23

no, I think it came across as it should have! you are right! it's faffing, and you have more exp that him and probably the gp in this area it sounds!

She is still in pain, can't squeeze the hand, it's funny shaped, think that's the swelling, and the bruising is very dark, around her middle knuckle/joint of the finger more than the main knuckle, and the swelling is from the main knuckle up to the middle then stops, but the bruising goes round the middle joint, down under the finger and onto the palm of her hand from the joint on that side. She has been complaining a lot. I have been strapping it with padded tape, but I will probably just take her to MIU, or hospital at the weekend as it's been a week and not really improving as much as I would like.

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Catswiththumbs · 05/09/2014 21:35

ligaments do bruise badly. I thought I had broken a bone in my hand punching a bloke back who was attacking me, X-ray at A&E gave me the all clear. My hand was a lumpy funny coloured mess for a while.

I have also dislocated both little fingers bloody horses. They were x rayed, popped back in by the nurse after I fainted (bloody massive needle with local anaesthetic!) then splinted for a few weeks. That took a while to feel "right" I think a nerve was pinched when one went back- I had the coldness, and a funny sensation down from my elbow to that finger. That joint still swells for no apparent reason as well and can be painful.


Hope she is feeling better soon. And you. Ignore him Flowers

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PavlovtheCat · 06/09/2014 07:55

Thank you for posting. Ouch for you! Good to know it could still be bruising on ligaments. Although, not good, but you know what i mean. Yes, it is lumpy! very sore, but she does have movement in it. Will keep checking it today and see how she feels. She has not complained so far, that's a bonus as she has been awake for over an hour.

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