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All of you who CHOOSE not to vaccinate your children

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Do you realise that's the reason why there's now an epidemic of measles in Wales?

You know children with auto-immune problems, children with cancers, children with allergies that mean they can't be medicated, children who react badly to drugs?
You know them? They're suffering because of you not wanting to vaccinate your child.

You have no medical reason for not vaccinating, but plenty of reasons TO vaccinate.

You are causing a whole generation of children to be endangered from a preventable disease.

Measles can be fatal
(that means it can kill )

MandragoraWurzelstock Sat 13-Apr-13 16:04:30

That's not you is it Nickel?

also, 'It is possible to get the reassurance if you ask.'

No it bloody isn't! Do you think people don't try?

rubyrubyruby Sat 13-Apr-13 16:04:35

We had the CJD scare at the same time remember.

It was a tough time to have young children and im not sure that those with younger children understand this. There was a lot of conflicting evidence and opinion. We didn't vaccinate and ate no beef.

It's easy to be wise in retrospect.

Pigsmummy Sat 13-Apr-13 16:04:47

I think that the situation is going to get much worse, the peak of the current epidemic is estimated to be a few weeks away.

I am surprised by the massive number of parents now getting their children vaccinated at the drop in clinics, if they are happy to vaccinate now then why didn't they before? Or is this a panic now that the epidemic is on their doorstep?

infamouspoo Sat 13-Apr-13 16:05:13

seeker, the levels of measles were dropping before vaccines were introduced and well before the 'magic' 95% herd immunity figure. I really dont pay it that much heed.
But as I said, I really do not expect any parent to consider my child before they make a decision. I expect them to do their own research and come to their own comclusions as they would with any drug or medical procedure. Unvacinated children are not walking wells of disease. My child isnt.
Funnily enough, people do rear back in horror when they hear she is unvaccinated but when I point out we have valid medical reasons suddenly they are fine with her unvaccinated status hmm. Whats with that? Apart from any lack of common sense.

ruby
"my children were older and stronger so they all had the MMR. I was staggered how ill 2 of them were after. Listless, stiff necks and generally very unwell."

if they'd been vaccinated at a younger age, they might not have reacted so strongly. but if they had, then they would be supported in future and might not have been able to receive other vaccines.
they would have become those exact people that the herd immunity is protecting.

Badvoc Sat 13-Apr-13 16:06:37

Your op is deeply offensive to those who have not or cannot vaccinate their children due to sn/serious illness and disability.
You know that, right?
A child who has cancer treatment cannot be vaccinated.
A child with autism is best not vaccinated.
A child with auto immune disease cannot be vaccinated.
My kids are vaccinated, but only because none of the above applies to them.
It's not a black and white situation.
I dont agree with Andrew wakefields findings but saying that ANY vaccine is 100% safe is ridiculous and untrue.

MandragoraWurzelstock Sat 13-Apr-13 16:06:45

'Oh, and when people say they want more information from HCPs, I suspect what they mean is they want to be told that the vaccine is 100% risk free.'

Do you really think that? I don't think that's near the mark tbh

TumbleWeeds Sat 13-Apr-13 16:07:17

yawn.

This is something that has already being discussed at length.

Basically, people who are pro vax think that the non vaccinated children are putting others in dangers.
People who don't vaccinate say they are protecting their own children as it will be detrimental to them.

I have yet to see a thread on MN which will be able to go into all the research and do an objective analysis of all the ins and outs. More likely people repeating ad nauseum the same thing again and again and not listening to the other 'camp'.

So OP please just move on and read previous threads. Much better than stirring.

seeker Sat 13-Apr-13 16:08:04

Because people accept that there are some children who can't be vaccinated. Of course they aren't "walking wells of disease". But they are only protected if herd immunity is maintained- and are probably more likely to be very ill if they do get whatever it is.

infamouspoo Sat 13-Apr-13 16:08:40

'FFS, I've started a whole fucking thread to support you and your family and you've just slagged my off about it.'

Oh I'm sorry, I didnt realise I was meant to be grateful. I dont consider my child at risk from unvaccinated children. And I dont ask people to perform medical procedures that do have health risks, however tiny JUST for my child. They should do it for their children only.

HazardLamps Sat 13-Apr-13 16:08:42

Seeker, the possible side effects of vaccinations are not just "feeling a bit poorly for a day or so" though, are they?

They could be far, far more serious than that. To assert otherwise is either to be naïve or to be deceitful.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 13-Apr-13 16:09:32

If you fall into a grey area you can't get any info at all because no GP is going to tell you not to jab with mmr unless you fall into a category the DoH says should not be jabbed.

rubyrubyruby Sat 13-Apr-13 16:09:45

What age is your child OP?

As I said its easy to be wise in retrospect

seeker Sat 13-Apr-13 16:10:42

"Your op is deeply offensive to those who have not or cannot vaccinate their children due to sn/serious illness and disability.
You know that, right?
A child who has cancer treatment cannot be vaccinated.
A child with autism is best not vaccinated.
A child with auto immune disease cannot be vaccinated.
My kids are vaccinated, but only because none of the above applies to them.
It's not a black and white situation.
I dont agree with Andrew wakefields findings but saying that ANY vaccine is 100% safe is ridiculous and untrue."

*No- if you read the OP, it specifically says that those who don't have those medical reasons to vaccinate are putting those that do at risk- read it properly.

And nobody is saying that any vaccine is 100% safe- as you say, that would be stupid.*

MandragoraWurzelstock Sat 13-Apr-13 16:11:00

'If you fall into a grey area you can't get any info at all because no GP is going to tell you not to jab with mmr unless you fall into a category the DoH says should not be jabbed.'

Yes. No information is forthcoming. No sensible informed discussion is available.

And asking on Mumsnet...ha.

the 95% is probably arbitrary, but I think it might be related to the percentage of children who cannot be vaccinated (y'know, this many children can't be, so let's take that then add a few more just to be safe, because there are also those who haven't yet been)

it is me Mandra
Yes, I know it can be hard to get further information, and a lot of people don't like to push it. but what seeker said is totally right - if they want 100% reassurance they'll never get it.
same as I can't guarantee that i won't be knocked over when i cross the road, but it doesn't stop me doing it.

infamouspoo Sat 13-Apr-13 16:11:23

But, you know, if you all want to do things to make my child's life better can you all stop driving (nasty chest infections exacerbated by pollution) and give me a million pounds. Ta wink

MandragoraWurzelstock Sat 13-Apr-13 16:12:36

Crikey. Bit scared to come into your shop now! smile

seeker Sat 13-Apr-13 16:13:45

"They could be far, far more serious than that. To assert otherwise is either to be naïve or to be deceitful."

Agreed. Nobody is. But that is the worst of the complications in all but a vanishingly small number of cases. As all the literature will tell you. Nobody is hiding the possible complications.

Badvoc

"Your op is deeply offensive to those who have not or cannot vaccinate their children due to sn/serious illness and disability.
You know that, right?
A child who has cancer treatment cannot be vaccinated.
A child with autism is best not vaccinated.
A child with auto immune disease cannot be vaccinated.
My kids are vaccinated, but only because none of the above applies to them.
It's not a black and white situation.
I dont agree with Andrew wakefields findings but saying that ANY vaccine is 100% safe is ridiculous and untrue."

read the fucking OP
you have just basically said what I have fucking said!
the whole point of my OP was to point out that those who choose not to vaccinate are putting at risk those who can't be

Badvoc

my op explicitly said:
"You know children with auto-immune problems, children with cancers, children with allergies that mean they can't be medicated, children who react badly to drugs?
You know them? They're suffering because of you not wanting to vaccinate your child."

triballeader Sat 13-Apr-13 16:14:48

Vaccination for those medically able to have it does provide protection. For most it provides complete protection and for those who have partial immunity or who have had the vaccine after exposure to confirmed measles before the incubation period is up will have a lesser form of measles[90% of people without vaccination will catch it as the things a tad virilent]

Last weekend my husband was fighting for his life in negative pressure isolation from 'just measles' that he had caught from my daughter who could not have MMR as she is under oncology.

Parents want the best for their child and whilst I certainly strongly advocate in favour of vaccination I also favour parents being able to arrive at an informed choice after considering the medical risks for and against in each childs case.

D0GWithAYoni Sat 13-Apr-13 16:15:48

Because its really that easy isn't it? Because those of us who choose not to vacc do it because we CBA, or are thick or selfish.

Someone said about people being afraid need to grow a pair. FFS.

I question my desicion regularly but yes because of what happened to my family I am scared. Shoot me.

I hate these threads. It's not always black and white you know.

ruby - my child is 16mo.

I'm not doing anything in retrospect. I don't want to be the reason some child goes blind or worse.

InNeedOfBrandy Sat 13-Apr-13 16:18:34

Agree OP, makes me cross as well.

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