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White eye in photo - talk some sense into me please because I am in a state!

(48 Posts)
spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 22:48:24

I took loads of flash photos this afternoon of DS (nearly 4) playing with my friend. In one of them, the pupil of his right eye is white, while the other eye has normal red-eye. I've spent the past two hours completely freaking out, reading what feels like hundreds of web pages about retinoblastoma. BUT in the other dozen or so photos from today, including several from roughly the same angle, he has normal red-eye in both eyes. I've been through literally every photo of him we've taken in the past three months or so, plus all the ones his gran took at Christmas, and all the flash ones have normal red-eye on both sides. That probably means that the one white-eye one is just a trick of the light/angle of the flash, doesn't it...? We're going to take some more photos first thing tomorrow and speak to our optician, but I know I'm not going to sleep a wink tonight

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 22:50:53

I would think it was just the light/flash thing if all the others are fine.

PonceyMcPonce Wed 02-Feb-11 22:53:05

I think lots of other pics wig matching eyes also sounds v reassuring. Try not to panic until you now there is something to panic about. Easier said than done I know

Heroine Wed 02-Feb-11 22:55:51

at least have you put on pc and zoomed right in to see if it might be a reflection?

spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 23:01:53

Just done that now and it does look like lens flare/reflection, but I've totally freaked myself out with excessive Googling.

mjloveswineoclock Wed 02-Feb-11 23:05:22

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hester Wed 02-Feb-11 23:08:37

You are right to get it checked out, just to be sure. But remember that retinoblastoma is really, really rare.

I would be freaked too. But try not to worry. Good luck.

spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 23:08:56

If I upload it could you have a look and see if you think it's just flash please?

PixieOnaLeaf Wed 02-Feb-11 23:12:51

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softglowsandmaybes Wed 02-Feb-11 23:13:27

I dont think anyone could really tell from an upload spider, afaik i think a one off picture is nothing to worry about and i think i have read on here too that it is less of a worry when the person isn't looking directly at the camera.

Very worrying for you i know, i would be climbinb the walls as i suffer from health anxiety - bloody fucking google has a lot to answer for.

BUT its as well to get these thigns checked out, so see your optician tomorrow and put your mind at rest.

Ds2 had this, was checked out and is fine. Retinoblastoma is very very rare like hester says. Get it checked but honestly he is likely to be fine. I think since the advent of digital cameras we take so many more photos that this has become more common.

If it's only one photo that is reassuring. Ds2's was in loads of photos eek,I was beside myself that weekend.

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:16:55

Yes, do.

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:18:06

DP is a photographer/cameraman. He says he should be able to tell.

spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 23:18:48

Thank you
pic - hope that works

chipmonkey Wed 02-Feb-11 23:18:57

Spiderlight, I am an optometrist and have had several children brought to me with a "white" pupil in a photograph. So far, not one of them has had retinoblastoma. So don't panic.
DO get it checked out as soon as possible as it is very important to rule it out. You can upload a photo but to be honest, I wouldn't try to guess from a photo. I prefer an ophthalmoscope myself!

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:19:31

It's not the photo that's on your profile now, is it?

spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 23:20:43

No, sorry - it's here - i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb72/dogologist/white_ eye.jpg

Thanks Chipmonkey - that helps!

Knackeredmother Wed 02-Feb-11 23:21:30

Happened to my dd in about 10 pictures. I am medical and freaked, showed my gp colleagues who also freaked. It was a very convincing picture. Saw a paediatric opthalmologist who agreed it looked bad but it was simply the angle of the flash reflecting the optic nerve.
I totally sympathise with your panic and I was a wreck but it will almost certaintly be fine.

Knackeredmother Wed 02-Feb-11 23:23:01

Meant to say you must get it checked though

spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 23:23:44

Will definitely get it checked!

Knackeredmother Wed 02-Feb-11 23:27:12

Okay I've looked at your picture and you can virtually see the disc and the angle of the eye pointing towards the nose means that this is almost certaintly a reflection of the disc.
However, I stress that this is my personal opinion from a picture, not a medical diagnosis and you must must still get it looked at, preferably by an ophthalmologist.
But I hope this helps you get some sleep tonight.

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:28:13

DP says that it looks quite peculiar ie it reflects (bounces back) the light a lot. It could be that a very bright flash is causing it or it may be what Knackeredmother says, but do get it checked out.

spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 23:29:33

Thank you. I'll be on the phone first thing tomorrow getting him an appointment (GP initially, or optician?) but I'm much happier now and will stop Googling.

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:33:17

I would go with ophtalmo if you can-or do you need a referral?

spiderlight Wed 02-Feb-11 23:38:34

Not sure. I've got to be literally next door to our optician first thing tomorrow morning to pick up a prescription, so I'll call in and see if she can see him quickly and advise as to what to do next. He had an eye test at the end of August (orthoptics - I had a lazy eye as a child so they've been seeing him 6-monthly since he was about 8 months old, althiough they've discharged him now).

Knackeredmother Wed 02-Feb-11 23:39:50

You need a referral to an ophthalmologist but gp guidelines are same day referral. Or you could go to eye casualty. I couldn't see an ophthalmologist for 2 days ( it was a weekend) so first went to an optician just to put my mind at rest.
Fwiw my dd pic looked far worse, I hope everything is ok.

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:42:21

Yes, do that. They should be able to look at the back of the eye or whatever it's called, I guess. But I think I still would call the GP and ask whether you need a referral to an ophtalmo- I guess you do unless you go private? Sorry, I'm in France, all that is a bit less complicated here.

Anyway, don't panic, it is most likely nothing.

chipmonkey Wed 02-Feb-11 23:42:36

OK, if I HAD to say, based only on that photo, I would say that it looks more like the reflex from the optic disc as the general appearance is more orangey-white. With retinoblastoma it is usually a bluey-white. But as I said, you really can't call it on a photo.

I am in Ireland so can't advise on where to go but if you can see an opthalmologist quickly, that would be best. I deal with children all the time but for something like this, I would generally refer to an opthalmologist to get the all-clear.

chipmonkey Wed 02-Feb-11 23:44:15

Are you near London? I'm sure you can just walk into Moorfields?

chipmonkey Wed 02-Feb-11 23:45:57

I have to say, spider, you might want to revisit the lazy eye question too. Unequal reflexes can also happen if one eye is lazy and if you had a lazy eye yourself he would be at a higher risk than usual.

Valpollicella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:47:00

Your first port of call is your GP for an urgent app. And also go to see your local optometrist

If they are non referal/etc, then contact Moorfields directly. They will arrange to see your DS pronto given the symptoms

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:53:26

Oh, chipmonkey, can I ask you a question, please? I went to an ophthalmo a year ago as I started to see two noses hmm ie on both sides of my vision field. It's like my left eye sees the left side of the nose and my right eye sees the right side, but they don't come together. No other double vision.
I have I think lazy eye ie it doesn't go sideways but it's much weaker than the right. Forgot the name, sorry. Ophthalmo said eyes are fine, send me to the optometrist, she said that the muscles are tiny bit out of sync, than it was holidays and I forgot to go back for excercises.Could the muscles be responsible?

I googled and only found one person with a similar problem. Have you ever encounter it? Very annoying it is.

OP so sorry for a hijack-hope all's well tomorrow and please update us smile

winnybella Wed 02-Feb-11 23:55:21

Oh, and the right side of the nose is on the left side of my field of vision and vice versa with the left eye if that makes sense.

OP, sorry again.

spiderlight Thu 03-Feb-11 10:12:57

He's fine. We were outside the optician's before they opened this morning and she's had a very thorough look at both his retinas and done a full eye test and it's all perfectly normal. She said we'd done the right thing by going in straight away though.

Thanks everyone for helping me to stay at least vaguely sane last night!

winnybella Thu 03-Feb-11 10:14:05

Oh, good! You must be so relieved!

fairimum Thu 03-Feb-11 14:12:58

Glad he is ok! Thought this was you when saw you had posted on DP this morning
Sarah aka sjmoore!

spiderlight Thu 03-Feb-11 15:40:25

Oooh, hello! I didn't want to post on DP last night and worry people who know him in real life, or rain on Marie's parade, but I've never been so scared in all my life.

softglowsandmaybes Thu 03-Feb-11 17:37:48

Ah, good news spider, been thinking about you today - glad all is well (as i suspected it might be grin)

Knackeredmother Thu 03-Feb-11 19:05:55

Good news!

chipmonkey Thu 03-Feb-11 23:43:04

Great news! I am relieved!grin

winny first of all, everyone sees two noses!grin If you think about it, the image that the right eye sees of the nose is the opposite view of that of the left eye and the visual system can't fuse them into one image. This of course makes no sense to the brain, which knows you don't have two noses, so for convenience and to avoid confusion, the brain suppresses the image of one or other of the noses.

Now, what I would wonder is, why did your brain stop suppressing this image?

Either you have made yourself aware of this i.e you are "looking" too much and becoming aware of things you shouldn't be aware of or you have a muscle imbalance which means that you are having difficulty aligning your eyes.

There is probably no need to see an ophthalmologist for something like this as it's not likely to be a sight-threatening problem. IMO the best person to see is a behavioural optometrist. I am one but am not much good to you if you are in the UK. We deal with muscle imbalances, eye movement problems and visual perceptual issues.

There is a list of us here

What I would do if I were you is first of all try to decide which is the "real" nose i.e the one seen by your dominant eye. So if you are right-eyed, it will be the left nose and if you are left-eyed it will be the right nose. Make a decision that this is the "real" nose and try to ignore the other one.
If you really can't ignore it after trying for 2 weeks, see one of my colleagues! Hth!

winnybella Fri 04-Feb-11 16:56:12

Thanks so much chipmonkey smile

Yes, I became aware of it one day, out of nowhere iyswim. I am quite sure that before I only saw the right side of the nose, so yes, with my stronger eye. How odd. When I went to the ophtalmo he was a bit hmm and then said if the optometrist will not find the cause maybe I should have a brain scan shock
But it's not getting worse and as I said,no other double vision. Thats what the optometrist said-muscles not really in sync.

I don't really think about it every day so not sure how I can 'ignore' one of the noses grin

I'll give it a try and if it won't work I'll call the optometrist.

froot Fri 04-Feb-11 17:20:26

You are right to get it checked - I also an optometrist (hey there chipmonkey great job innit!) and found a retinoblastoma in my nephew 18 months ago when he was 5 1/2 which is incredibly rare as they are usually found in toddlers/babies. We looked at all his photos and no white eye in any of them though I did manage to get a white eye photo after I had found it and once it had been diagnosed. I have seen loads of kids with white eye photos over the years and every singe one of them have been normal. Even most eye specialists in hospitals have never seen a retinoblastoma - it really is that rare (espepcially at your ds 's age) - so don't panic.

froot Fri 04-Feb-11 17:23:53

Durr didn't see second page of this thread - glad all OK.

chipmonkey Fri 04-Feb-11 22:19:33

Hi froot! Long time no post! ( Or have I been looking at the wrong threads!)grin

froot Fri 04-Feb-11 23:16:29

Had a long gap but been on weightwatchers thread last few weeks

chipmonkey Fri 04-Feb-11 23:18:26

Oh Gawd! I soooooo should be on WW thread. i blame our new automated phoropter. Lifting the trial lenses in and out of the case used to be the only exercise I got.

froot Sat 05-Feb-11 19:31:47

I have an upstairs consulting room now but worked downstairs for 5 years put on 9 lb ! Now upstairs again and 9 lb down !

ThreIsNoSpoon Sat 05-Feb-11 21:37:53

Did you know, I had NO IDEA this was a sign of anything! SO thank you for your thread! Glad your DS is ok

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