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childminder increasing fees because she bought a new car

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My childminder is a long time friend.
She looks after my little girl. She charges £27 per day + £8 fuel costs as she drives to my house and picks her up and drops her off everyday. I don't have any problem paying this amount as it was discussed and we signed contracts in respect of this.
She is a brilliant childminder, cares so well for my little girl and my little girl loves going to hers- never any tears, just smiles and laughter.
The childminder has bought a new car- with more seats as a) her old one broke and b) she got two more mindees.
This new car has a bigger engine and uses more fuel. She has asked me for an extra amount to cover the extra fuel she is using.
I thinks she is being cheeky asking me to be honest.
She only bought a bigger car to fit more children in and make more money for herself. Surely the cost of fuel should be factored into their fees not mine?
She hasn't given me any notice- she told me yesterday that it will be an extra £10 per week.
What do I do?
My husband won't pay it, he says it was her choice to get a bigger car and should foot the bill for the extra fuel.

AnneUulmelmahay Fri 06-Sep-13 22:22:43

ummmm she shouldn't be charging you for travel to and from your home, because that turns her into a taxi service, IIRC. There are insurance implications.

Hoping Nick or MrA might be long to clarify.

Now, wrt the current situation - you have three choices, really: suck it up or get rid (oops I do mean give notice) and find someone else, ortell her she is being unreasonable as one weeks notice for an increase is not on.

What does your contract say about this? (bet there ain't one!)

PuggyMum Fri 06-Sep-13 22:23:10

How far does she drive to collect your dd each day?

AnneUulmelmahay Fri 06-Sep-13 22:24:43

oh sorry, I see there is a contract!

catham Fri 06-Sep-13 22:24:56

i think its pretty reasonable, lots of childcarers are having to put prices up this year

WafflyVersatile Fri 06-Sep-13 22:35:40

Well it's up to her to set her rates (whatever rationale she chooses to use for this) and her customers whether they want to pay them.

Is there anything in the contract saying that she will only put it up by a maximum each year or anything?

nannynick Fri 06-Sep-13 22:42:38

I feel the fact the newer car uses more fuel is her problem not your issue.

However fuel costs do go up frequently, so if cost was being calculated on an actual cost basis, then with the old car there would be frequent changes to the cost of the journey.

Your child is in her care during part of the journey and they could charge what they like for care and increase that charge with notice.

How much notice does the contract say you should get for changes to the contract? Not getting any notice is unreasonable I feel.

Try to negotiate, failing that find alternative care though in my view there will not be many childminders who would collect and drop off every day so you may struggle to find someone who would do that.

it is approx. 10 miles from her house to ours.
its 4 weeks notice if our daughter leaves her care, not sure about other changes to the contract though.

There were no childminders with spaces near to our home, if there were though i would walk/get the bus as we are fairly central to town.

LazyMonkeyButler Fri 06-Sep-13 22:57:07

So, really is it an extra £2 per day (an increase from £8 to £10) or an extra £10 (increase from £8 to £18)? If it is just £2 then I would accept it. She is doing the pick up & drop off for your convenience and your DD is happy with in her care.

LazyMonkeyButler Fri 06-Sep-13 22:58:11

Sorry, I've re-read and seen it's £10 a week. I wouldn't argue over this personally.

cece Fri 06-Sep-13 23:02:20

I pay £60 per day. Just saying...

TBH - she sounds fab. I really would not argue over £10 as she is making your life easier. A new cm may not be so convenient or cheap!

i think i'm more peeved that she told me yesterday and is saying it will increase from monday. tax credits won't update our claim that fast. An extra £10 a week doesn't sound much, but it was her choice to change her car for a bigger one.

nannynick Fri 06-Sep-13 23:14:41

40 miles per day... that's 9600 a year (48 week year).
I thought I did a lot of work mileage at just over 3000 a year!

Consider it another way, if she can't afford to do the trip, then she stops providing care for your DD, which leaves you looking for someone else.

Look at the bigger picture, is everything else going well? Is this likely to be short term, perhaps a space will come up at a local provider soon?

LazyMonkeyButler Fri 06-Sep-13 23:36:26

At least she has been honest with you. She could easily have upped her daily rate to £29 instead, which would be the same over a week, and never mention the extra petrol.

When did her fees last go up? If not for a while, then I would still think her good value for money.

Our contract is only term time, so 39 weeks per year, but i get your point-it is a lot of driving.
We pay for a full day but it's only 9.30-4.15pm

peggyundercrackers Fri 06-Sep-13 23:44:59

so to pick up your dd and go back to her house its a 20 mile round trip and she does the same at night - so 40 miles a day - and shes charging £8 a week to do 200 miles? that doesn't nearly cover her costs - I couldn't do 200 miles on less than 2 gallons of petrol.

BackforGood Fri 06-Sep-13 23:53:50

She's only charging you £27 for 7 hours, and only £8 / £10 (not clear if that's per day or per week - I'm assuming per day) for 40 miles a day travelling ??? shock
I would make sure you do a LOT of research into finding an alternative before giving her notice.

The £3.80 or so an hour might be average or might be cheap, depending on where you are in the country, but

If you are getting business mileage, it gets paid at 42p per mile where I work - that would be £16.80 per day, but of course, it is very, very unusual for a CM to collect and deliver your children, even if you were paying the going rate. I think you'd find it very hard to find someone else who would do that.

peggyundercrackers-its £8 per day that we pay. Thats not the problem i'm happy to pay that. It's that she bought a car with more seats so she could fit more children in (getting paid £150 extra per week) and then charge me more for fuel. Her old car was a 1.6 diesel, the new one is a 2.3 petrol. the 2 days notice isn't great either.
As I said OH does not want to pay it, but as she's a friend i feel i have to

Our little girl was the first child she took on, which is why she agreed to the pick up/drop off- she had no other income.

K8Middleton Sat 07-Sep-13 01:27:27

She can change her rates but she must give proper notice which in turn gives you the option to give notice and go elsewhere.

The reasons don't matter. She could want a new pair of boobs or be wanting to save for a trip down the Amazon but it's her business.

i'll talk to her on monday about it. the old saying never mix business with pleasure makes sense now!

holidaysarenice Sat 07-Sep-13 01:37:40

I think I would point that out. Do the mileage cost based on the two engines and compare.

If you are happy with the increase I would say so along the lines of. I have reviewed ur increased weekly fee, which whilst I disagree with funding the car, it is your perogative to increase ur fee. I will pay this in line with the notice in the contract, since notice is one month if we decide to leave you, or immediate if you are chaning terms (presuming that's correct) then a months notice of increased cost is fair.

I think that's a good compromise and reminds ur cm that you can leave and that these things work both ways.

At the end of the day is she worth the money and only you know that?

Loopytiles Sat 07-Sep-13 06:49:24

I think you're being unreasonable and should just pay up no quibble. The deal you get (price, pick ups, term time only) sounds very good.

Bluemonkeyspots Sat 07-Sep-13 06:58:36

I wonder if the parents of the new mindees know that they will be stuck in a car for a twenty mile trip twice a day five days a week!

No matter how great she is its not something i would be happy with, especially now we will be coming into the cold and icy mornings soon.

If I was you I would have a back up plan incase she decides with the new mindees income she no longer needs yours.

ravenAK Sat 07-Sep-13 07:25:07

That sounds like a good deal tbh.

£27 for 7 hours care is just under £4ph - don't know if that's the going rate near you? We paid £3.50 a few years back in Yorkshire, but that was a longstanding arrangement & I think we'd have been looking at £4ph elsewhere.

Additionally, you pay £8 each day to cover the costs of 40 miles driving - that's really low at 20p a mile.

She now wants to increase this to £10 (another £10 per week = £2 per day) - still only 25p mileage, which I'd say is very reasonable.

It's irrelevant why she wants to charge £10 rather than £8 for the pick up/drop service - no point winding yourself up about her car or other mindees she has in it.

As others have said, the pick up/drop is unusual for a CM, so you might well struggle to replace that, unless you went for a nanny arrangement which isn't going to be cost effective for one dc.

Really, the questions you need to ask are: can I get someone else to do all this for less money, & is it worth the upheaval for the sake of £2 a day anyway?

Whereas from her POV, the driving is hardly making her rich, & now she's established & has a couple more mindees she'd probably be quite glad to drop it - the other parents may see 40 miles in the car every day as a disadvantage, so she'd quite likely be better off in the long run if you made other arrangements.

I think you probably need her more than she needs you tbh...

BonaDrag Sat 07-Sep-13 07:29:23

Another one who pays £60 a day here...

changeforthebetter Sat 07-Sep-13 07:41:25

I pay £4ph in Yorkshire. No collections as the CM is my NDN. Loor, she is in business. If she wants to put her rates up, she can. You should get a decent amount of notice. I wouldn't move a child from a setting where she is happy FWIW.

Inclusionist Sat 07-Sep-13 07:52:08

I also pay £60 a day for full days and voluntarily pay a fiver a day for fuel on the days CM does the nursery run as it is a bit out of her way.

Your deal sounds AMAZING! I would just tell CM/friend that you are happy to pay increased fees but you need a month's notice to adjust your budget for it.

minderjinx Sat 07-Sep-13 08:00:15

She should have given you a month's notice, and she shouldn't be charging mileage as such anyway = she should increase her daily rates to cover all her travel expenses. Other than that, she is perfectly within her rights to put up her rates every now and then. She could have saved herself this debate by giving no details of her rationale. Perhaps she wrongly thought it would be more palatable to you if she gave some sort of justification. Or perhaps she's fed up with the daily journey anyway and will be relieved if you decide it has run its course. I know I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't be happy for my children to be spending that many miles on the road. I'd guess if she sees this she will probably give you notice anyway.

Pinkpinot Sat 07-Sep-13 08:02:02

Does she have to drive the other mindees that far? If not I don't see why they should have to pay
You are being disadvantaged because she has decided to expand her business
But Stil sounds like you have a good deal

nextphase Sat 07-Sep-13 08:02:39

if your not happy with the increase in cost, what about doing one of the pick-ups your self, and reduce the car cost to £5/day?
it sounds like a great deal to me, but it would put me off using her, as it means my child would either be in a car, or unavailable for drop off / pick up for a fair chunk of the morning and afternoon, as they would be in the car to get your daughter home.

Charotte31 Sat 07-Sep-13 08:10:22

She should work out the mileage it's normal around 30p a mile ( that's what you used to get as a nanny) so 10 miles will be £3! Ask her to make a note of the mileage each week/day and totally it up. £10 seems like a lot but she does sound like a fab childminder picking up and dropping off not many would do that!

sleepdodger Sat 07-Sep-13 08:19:32

£45 nursery day in mids... Cm are are hard to find and charge similar but main reason I didn't use one was that they both do school run on foot with 8 kids each day
I'm not paying 40 to have my baby in a buggy in all weathers so you can make money from other mindees
In same way is not place business with a cm who would have my child in a car every day whilst in care
I'd worry if you kick up a fuss you'll jot have her service- do you think she's hoping you might stop with the collection service??

nextphase Sat 07-Sep-13 08:22:30

Charotte so thats £3 to get to OP house, £3 to get back to her house, and same again in the evening - £12/day, even with your low cost per mile - I get 45p from work (Private corp), Mum gets even more (public funds!).

Charotte31 Sat 07-Sep-13 08:29:15

Yeah my husband just told me that's very low now it's more like 45-55p per mile these days. Oops sorry! I was a nanny 3 years ago its all gone up since then!

Tanith Sat 07-Sep-13 08:58:10

"Make more money for herself"

Why on earth shouldn't she? confused It's her business!

Sounds to me like she's out of pocket doing all this for you, and she's trying to redress the balance a little. She's bought the car so she can continue providing this service to you now that her business is established and she doesn't need your custom. How would you have felt if she'd simply given notice and not bought the car?

You do have a very good deal. What a shame you and your husband begrudge paying a few extra pounds for someone who is not only an excellent childminder, but is supposed to be your friend.

nannynick Sat 07-Sep-13 09:06:40

Your childminder is a long time friend, so your business relationship may damage your relationship. You were their first client, they didn't register as a childminder to care for your child did they?
They are doing you a favour by doing the pickup/drop off. It probably was not costed out correctly in the first place or thought about how it would affect their ability to care for other minded children.

Are you still looking for a more local childminder? Whilst your current childminder is your friend and it's great that they are able to do the pickup/drop off, long term is it going to work - such as what happens when your daughter goes to school?

For £37 per day there is a nursery 10 minutes up the rd that will do a term time only contract, that includes nappies, wipes and formula. My older children went there from the age of 2.
The reason I chose my friend over the nursery is that her baby and my baby play together and the cm is familiar to her and a good friend.
The CM suggested the pick up/drop off and set the fees accordingly.
There have been other queries over money in the past and my OH thinks she has overcharged us. So this extra £2 per day has really riled him.
As it is a term time only contract the payments are pro rata so she gets the same money each month, yet she wants the £10 per week on top- which isn't pro rata. Tax credits don't change an award unless it's more than £10 per week, so I'll have cut £45 per month off our food bill. Quite a chunk when I only work part time and have 5 people to feed.

Pachacuti Sat 07-Sep-13 13:11:18

If tax credits is the problem, can't you get her to charge you an extra £10.20 a week?

Essentially, she's been losing money on the travel part of your deal (IIRC from work even the allowable mileage expenses people have been quoting don't actually cover running costs, and she's trying to change rates so that she still loses money but slightly less money. Your DH thinks that that's unreasonable and that she should continue to operate at the same level of loss.

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 13:22:41

I can understand that she might want extra money for petrol (although I'm not sure my employer would be quite so accommodating if I chose to buy a bigger car for work purposes - my mileage allowance is set, regardless of what size of car I choose to buy, and it sure as hell doesn't ever increase...), but she certainly should not have landed this on you at such short notice. £40 extra a month is a heck of a lot of extra money to find - and I'm guessing that she's increasing the amount she charges all her mindees?

If it were me, I would be looking for a more formal arrangement elsewhere. Oh, and fwiw - £3.5-£4/hr for a CM is about right for round here.

doughnut44 Sat 07-Sep-13 13:31:53

I have just put my fees up £2 a day. I think it's reasonable and it factors in tge fact that I may need a new car/toys/car seats. The mistake your minder has made is telling you that it's towards the new car. sounds like a touch of the green eyed monster to me. One of my mums once commented that the increase was to pay for my holiday. well yes actually as part of my wages it certainly contributed towards it but the £360 a year extra she actually paid didn't cover the cost of my holiday.
I think you have a good deal as a taxi over that distance twice a day would cost considerably more than £10

forevergreek Sat 07-Sep-13 13:42:56

Sounds like a bargain to me.

I charge 45p a mile for using my car. So £18 a day or £90 a week.

I would be careful as sounds like she is filling up her spaces fine, so she might just give you notice and take on another child.

I have spoken to her and she's agreed to the pro rata amount being added onto next months fees. Ive spoken to OH and he's happy with that.
OH has suggested we look for a local nursery place as the mindees are sat for more than an hour in the car each tues/weds and he wouldn't be happy paying for that. Plus cm can take on a local ft child.
I think we will keep things separate from now on.
Thanks for the advice though.

mamapants Sat 07-Sep-13 14:20:51

Sounds to me like she's been really reasonable and bent over backwards to accomodate you.

MissMalonex2 Sat 07-Sep-13 14:32:54

You have a very good deal and know your DC is being looked after by a friend. But you might put your DC into daycare - with all the turnover of staff. confused you sound like you are cutting off your nose to spite your face

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 15:52:02

A good nursery does not have a high turnover of staff - and the children they look after won't be sitting in a car for 2 hours over 2 days. Hardly cutting off her nose to be looking for somewhere that will provide high class childcare at less cost hmm

peggyundercrackers Sat 07-Sep-13 17:18:59

sorry I got costs wrong, I read as an extra £2 week not £2 a day. sounds like you have come to an agreement which is good. its always hard working with friends when money is involved as sometimes you feel you want to say something but cant.

nightcircus Sat 07-Sep-13 19:11:12

Husband jealous of nice new car?!

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 19:18:40

Stir stir stir

Ragusa Sat 07-Sep-13 21:02:02

I can't believe how reatively cheap the OP's childcare is shock. CM is £60 per day here and pickups/ dropoffs are very unusual.

Did she register for you? Because if she did she will have incurred significant costs. Personally I woukd just pay the extra. If it ain't broke and all that ...

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 21:04:50

£60 a day for a CM??! So - if they have 3 children that's £180 per day, around £3600 a month? shock

You have cheap childcare that picks up and drops off at your house.
Your dd is in a safe new car, your dd is benefiting from this.

I would not complain about this!

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:08:49

I'm sorry but Tax Credits wouldn't pay your mileage costs to take your child to CM or Nursery. So I'd be very careful what you claim for!!!

You do sound a bit jealous of the car.

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 21:11:36

Jealous of the car?? What is this claim based on?! apart from nothing at all

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:14:05

She needed a new car her costs have changed. She is charging for fuel not car repayments.

forevergreek Sat 07-Sep-13 21:16:36

Sir - it's £8.50 an hour here in central London. So £85 for 10 hr day. So £170 a day for 2 children. Hence why nannies are so popular as with even with tax it's around £150 a day regardless of whether you have 1 or 5 children

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 21:19:32

Bloody hell Forever - really?? shock

So - nothing to base the jealous claim on then Mary?

DontmindifIdo Sat 07-Sep-13 21:31:35

I'm not in London, but round here it's £6 per hour for childminders, a lot charge during the school day even if your DCs are at school and don't discount for siblings. Plus I've not heard of childminders dropping DCs back home/picking them up from you. While here it's still cheaper with 2 DCs to use a CM to a nanny, there's not much in it, particularly if you need to work long hours (which most CM won't cover).

It's always surprises me to see on MN that having a nanny or even an au pair is seen as a sign you are rich or posh, whereas for large parts of the south east, that's just the cheapest form of childcare if you have 3DCs...

Anyway OP, if you would be happier using a nursery, then do that, at least then your 15 hours pre-school can be knocked directly off your bill. Must say though, if you currently only use her for term times, will you find a nursery that will allow you the same deal or will you end up paying for a lot of childcare you don't need?

forevergreek Sat 07-Sep-13 21:33:20

Sir - well a one bed flat will bed in same area is around £1300-1500 a month, so for someone to afford to live in a place large enough to childmind I suppose they need to have high fees ( and be full all the time)

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:43:14

I can't see what the problem with paying extra is? It's a flat rate cost surely. Surely you'd think a CM may need another car at some point due to breakdown or getting a people carrier. And factor this into your payments or potential payments.

She sounds put out that the CM has bought a car that will seat her other mindees. She is not her Nanny.

What should she do buy a small one to suit the OP's family?

The only other reason that I could think that the OP / Op's DH don't want to pay it for is jealousy over a new car. Obviously no proof as don't know OP.

But families do sometimes resent what their CM have as they believe they are paying for it.

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 21:45:52

The fact is the CM has decided to buy a bigger car so that she can take more children (and therefore make more money) - it's hardly up to the OP to factor this into her costs! Crikey, that's like me saying to my employer that I've bought a bigger car so I need a pay rise. They would just laugh at me, and rightly so.

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:53:33

Her old one broke.
It's pretty standard for CMs to have large 7 seaters.

If a nursery's costs went up either new building or rent increase the cost would be passed on. All that has happened is the CM circumstances have changed.

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:54:36

She isn't paying for the car she is paying for the fuel used.
Which is changeable!

Ragusa Sat 07-Sep-13 22:02:23

Yes, it really is a minimum of £60 per day in London and surrounds for childminder places. More for a nursery place. They're not making it up when they say it's an expensive place to live. I earn around £47,000 pro-rata P/A, a level which just about makes it financially viable for me to go to work. When both children needed childcare, though (one's now at school) it wasn't viable. I took a career break and we lived on beans grin

Be grateful if your childcare costs £37 per day I say!

Bonkerz Sat 07-Sep-13 22:02:31

There are a few issues with this situation.
A) a childminder who charges extra for mileage will need to have different insurance and a taxi lisence as they are using the car for payment and reward. Check her insurance as she could be breaking the law. Business insurance will not cover her (if fee is listed separate on invoice)
B) you cannot claim tax credits for this extra cost (again if listed separate). If this cost is part of her hourly fee then its fine but as you have said you pay this extra it changes things.

she didnt need a new car, she could've got the other one fixed

OutragedFromLeeds Sun 08-Sep-13 01:11:25

'Crikey, that's like me saying to my employer that I've bought a bigger car so I need a pay rise'

No it's not, It's like a window cleaner telling you his prices have gone up because fuel costs have gone up/he needed a new ladder/his van broke down.

The OP is not an employer. The childminder provides a service that the OP uses. She can charge £1000 a minute if she wants, it's her business she can set her charges as she likes. The OP can continue to use her (good, reliable) service or she can look for a better deal elsewhere. Why the childminder has put her prices up is irrelevant.

Sirchenjin- thats exactly how i see it
Marypoppins- not jealous- i have a 7 seater too
Bonkerz- the contract states i pay £35 in fees per day (which includes the £8 fuel charge)
Other mindees are charged £27 per day, even though she drops off/picks up from school.
CM only works term time, so doesn't charge for holidays, she just works out the fees pro rata so she has an income every month

Contract states 4 weeks notice for changes- does that mean next months fees should include the increase or the one after?

OutragedFromLeeds Sun 08-Sep-13 01:28:24

4 weeks would be in 4 weeks time. 4 weeks from today is 6th October.

WafflyVersatile Sun 08-Sep-13 01:28:42

She can put up her prices if she wants. She can do it because she invested in a new greedier car, or bought more toys, or because her husband has taken a pay cut, or because she's taken to getting weekly manicures and massages, or because her astrologist read it in her stars.

She can set whatever price she wants and her clients can suck it up, try to negotiate a discount, or take their business elsewhere.

Maybe she's known for a while that she is undercharging in comparison to the going rate and when her car broke down, instead of getting it repaired she thought this would be a good time to upgrade and use that as the rationale for raising her fees.

ModeratelyObvious Sun 08-Sep-13 01:35:56

My allowable mileage rate at work went up from 40p a mile to 45p recently. That's what HMRC allows in light of increasing fuel costs.

Mimishimi Sun 08-Sep-13 07:14:17

She can put her fees up but surely that would be when the contract is up for renewal or with sufficient notice, not at a whim? I'd pay the extra as you are getting a good deal. If not, she will probably insist you do pickups/drop-off's.

nightcircus Sun 08-Sep-13 09:04:26

Yes do pick up and drop offs yourself- problem solved.
As mentioned up thread, a lot of people would not want to add so heavily to their mileage. She drives 7,600 miles a year for your child.
And yes the car could be a red herring- she may have been thinking of upping fees for a while. It sounds like she is very kind/accommodating so perhaps found it awkward to tell you her prices are going up especially as you are friends.
Would you be questioning the increase if she had said it was to make her in line with other providers? £2 a day increase does not sound excessive.
Where I am nursery fees are in the region of £45 per day.

MaryPoppinsBag Sun 08-Sep-13 09:47:13

I think she can just give you notice of an increase in fees.

Maybe you aren't jealous but you are resentful. Which can be just as nasty. She is not being cheeky. She is running a business.

She is doing you a massive favour. So I would be careful how you tread.
You might need her more than she needs you. And you aren't irreplaceable. She would soon find a new customer.

I had some children leave I think they resented paying when the children were sick. All of it coincided with the husbands new BMW and our house move though. Not saying they were jealous but I think they thought I shouldn't ask for the money as we look well off. But I run a business not a charity, have bills to pay and do a job that many admit that they couldn't do.
I replaced them very quickly because I have a good reputation and when their alternative child are fell through they ended up with another CM. Their 3rd one in just over a year. Poor kids.

And you said in your OP her car had broken.

Just pay it and think of your child's happiness and continuity of care.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 08-Sep-13 10:17:50

You have a very good deal - very cheap daily rate and the fact your cm picks up and brings back adding major miles to her car and hours to her day

If you don't want to pay for the extra petrol then do the commuting yourself

Tbh I don't know of any cm that pick up - that's the major disadvantage / difference from a nanny - that you would normally get your child to the cm then yourself to work

Me23 Sun 08-Sep-13 10:22:37

Agree with the others re you've got it very good in terms of the cost you incur.

I'm in London my son has just started nursery as my partner is going back to work he was a Sahd. The nursery charges £74 a day! 8-6pm. We will be paying over £11,000 a year in childcare including our dd's after school club!

With a joint income of 49k we will only see an extra 8k a year from my partner going back to work. Still we are struggling so much right now we have no choice.

eurycantha Sun 08-Sep-13 14:41:45

Most nannies around here are paid 45p a mile!

Outragedfrom Leeds- so the new fees will kick in on the 6th October. Cheers thanks for that

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