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How much should I pay my 24/7 childminder?

(40 Posts)
Mazzledazzle Sat 04-May-13 12:31:16

My childminder charges £3.75 ph pc (so I pay £7.50 oh for 2 DC).

DH and I are going away for 5 days Mon - Fri, leaving our 2 DC with family, but due to an emergency this is no longer an option.

Luckily my fabulous childminder has agreed to let our DC stay with her and her DH for 5 nights, which works out at 105 hours!

I hate talking about money - I usually pay her in advance for the month and round it up to the nearest tenner.

How do I bring up the subject of payment? And how much should I expect to pay her?

Tia

Mazzledazzle Sat 04-May-13 12:32:34

£7.50 PH for 2 DC! Stupid phone...

notapoloshirtperson Sat 04-May-13 13:21:42

Are you willing to pay her normal rates??
You don't say how old your children are. If they are not sleeping through then you need to pay her the normal rate for the 105 hours.
If they are good sleepers, you could suggest paying normal rates between 7 am and bedtime, 8pm? Then around 50 ish pounds for a sleep in fee? Obviously you need to discuss food, too. Is it normally included in her fees?

nannynick Sat 04-May-13 13:22:12

A nanny in this situation could easily cost you £600.

I think you need to be paying the usual childminding fee for the core hours, so for example 7am-7pm. Then ask your childminder about an overnight rate.

Your childminder is running a business, it is up to them to decide how much the service they are providing costs. So you need to ask them what the fees will be for that week.

Mazzledazzle Sat 04-May-13 13:34:46

My kids are 2 and 4 and sleep through from 7pm - 7am. Usually I provide food. I've offered her my car for the week, as it's much larger than hers.

Would the maximum be just the usual hourly rate? Is it ever the norm to pay more than the usual hourly rate for out of hours care?

I'm so grateful that she's agreed to take them. She feels more like a family friend than a childminder, but this is her business and I don't want to take advantage...I'm in no position to haggle and will have to pay what she wants. I have not budgeted for this at all, as my sis was supposed to do it for free.

Cringing at the thought of asking how much money she wants! I never get a bill or receipt - I work it out myself, pay in advance and hand over the money in an envelope. What should I say?

nannynick Sat 04-May-13 13:56:43

Nice to offer your car but she is probably not insured to drive it and her business insurer may not transfer the insurance to another vehicle without there being some costs involved. So she may well not take you up on that offer.

Out of hours care could be more than usual but it's not like you are wanting to drop the children round at 5am... so it's different.

Is she doing this as a friend, or as a childcare provider? Mixing business and pleasure creates problems like this - can work well, just means you need to talk to each other so you both know what the situation is. You don't want to take advantage which is great. As a friend she is probably well aware that you had not budgeted for the cost, so you may well get mates-rates for some of the time... such as the overnight element.

You never get a bill or receipt - that does not sound great. Your childminder needs to be accounting for payments for their accounts. Presumably you have a contract that sets out the fees for your usual usage of their service.

Tell her you have no idea how to work out what the cost would be, so could she prepare you an invoice for that week of childcare.

BackforGood Sat 04-May-13 14:03:30

You are just going to have to ask her.
IMVHO I would be surprised, if she's offered to have them if she's going to start charging a premium for out of hours care - I wouldn't be surprised if she will say something less for the nights, as she won't actually be having to "do" anything then.
Just ask!

Cloverer Sat 04-May-13 14:04:24

I'd say something like £7.50 for normal business hours (8am-6pm), 1.5x for unsociable hours 7am-8am and 6pm-11pm, and then £30 sleepover. So a total of £172.50 per 24 hours.

HSMMaCM Sat 04-May-13 15:04:57

My overnight rate works out roughly the same per hour as my daytime rate.

letseatgrandma Sat 04-May-13 15:12:31

I'd offer her at least £7 x 105 then. Maybe round up to £800?

Tbh, our holidays don't usually cost that much to go on-I'd probably cancel or take the kids with me.

ReetPetit Sat 04-May-13 16:52:27

i would expect to pay by the hour per child tbh, normal hourly rate x 105...

seems a hell of an expense though - personally i'd probably not bother with the holiday at all, as letseatgrandma said! could kids not come with you?

Mazzledazzle Sat 04-May-13 17:50:01

Nannynik when I say she's a friend, I never see her socially but have gotten to know her well. She never bills me, as I pay before the bill would usually be issued and she gives a receipt if I ask, but I don't. I have a contract but it only specifies the hourly rate between 8-5 and my contracted hours. I'll double check with my insurance company re the car.

Reetpetit I've priced taking the kids and it's more than the childminder's bill will be and as it's my sister's emergency and not mine, my travel insurance company won't cover cancellation.

I think I'm going to text her and ask (the cowards way out, I know) and keep my fingers crossed it's not more than the £800 letseatgrandma suggested! At least I won't be puting her on the spot and she'll have time to work out a bill. Wish me luck!

Btw my DH doesn't see why we can't just leave the kids with a selection of random people (some they've barely met) for a night each hmm

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 05-May-13 10:31:02

the 105 hours, does that include her normal time of having them (8-5) or the extra time ie evenings and nights - ie she is having them an extra 15hrs a day/night 5pm - 8am

the cm will state her fee - many will charge till midnight and then do a sleepover fee esp if they sleep all night (including myself) but if they are bad sleepers/babies need feeding then i charge per hour

asking via text/email is prob a good idea as she can work out what she wants rather then being put on the spot

Deearnamaternitynurse Sun 05-May-13 17:57:52

Personally i would suggest normal rate for normal hours and then possibly a sleepover rate, if the children i look after are sleeping through I charge £75 per night and this has never been questioned

Mazzledazzle Wed 08-May-13 17:22:04

Update for anyone that's interested...

I text and she said the whole week was a freebie as it's a favour. I could have cried.

By the way Blondeshavemorefun the 105 hours includes the hours she usually has them - so by doing it for free, she's actually losing money!

Obviously I'm going to give her something though, probably a voucher. Thanks for all the advice guys.

MrsHiddleston Wed 08-May-13 17:25:21

Are you sure she doesn't mean the nights are free... I think you should still pay her for the usual childminding hours. She shouldn't lose money.

ReetPetit Wed 08-May-13 17:45:23

No way! I would want clarification on that and tbh as a parent i would be uncomfortable with someone looking after my kids 24/7 for a week for free. You should at least pay her normal day rate and something for the night times. I think this could ruin your working relationship. If i were in your shoes i would say thankyou for your kind offer but we will pay you. Its the decent and right thing to do imo.

Cloverer Wed 08-May-13 17:52:24

I would at least pay her the normal hours, plus £100 as a thankyou (and wine, chocs and flowers!).

pooka Wed 08-May-13 17:58:06

Absolutely pay the standard hours! And add on extra as thank you for the massive favour she's doing for you.

Wishihadabs Wed 08-May-13 18:04:21

Our nanny/house keeper has done this (but in my house). We pay her till midnight then £20 sleepover fee. Works out about £150 per 24 hours (they are at school in the day though).

Wishihadabs Wed 08-May-13 18:06:25

if she doesn't want payment I would split the difference give her something like £300 unless you realy can't afford it !

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 08-May-13 18:10:31

What they said ^ you really should pay her.

lucamom Wed 08-May-13 18:12:40

Sorry if I've missed it up thread, but why aren't the kids going on the holiday with you? X

Floggingmolly Wed 08-May-13 18:17:21

Why should she take a loss on this? confused You should pay her at least the normal rate...

minderjinx Wed 08-May-13 18:32:47

You can't seriously mean not to pay her. You can hardly say you can't afford it if you can afford to go on holiday.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 08-May-13 18:42:41

as others have said

doing it for free shock

you Must pay her for her usual hours, sure she meant maybe the evenings are free

but even 15hrs of free childcare a day is very generous, let alone for 5 days

i really think you need to pay her something for the extra hours

tomorowisanotherday Wed 08-May-13 18:47:14

you should pay her. Never mind what she says. You have a business arrangement.

suppose something happens while they are at her house? they wont be covered if they are not 'on the clock'.

I think you are taking advantage of her. she probably has one eye on your continued business.

Floggingmolly Wed 08-May-13 18:54:25

I'd be willing to bet you've misunderstood, anyway.
Why would she decide to forego payment for the usual hours she'd be looking after them anyway, as well as have them overnight?
Btw, you're leaving them at home as childcare is cheaper than plane tickets? Seriously? hmm.

HotCrossPun Wed 08-May-13 19:08:59

She is going to look after your 2 children, day and night, for 5 days...for FREE?

That doesn't make any sense, she is going to lose 5 days of wages and 5 days of her free time as a favour?

I'd clarify with her what she means.

PinkCanary Wed 08-May-13 19:47:04

Is she registered for overnight care? If not then she isn't legally allowed to charge. (Bear in mind that insurance wont be valid either during those hours) It would have to be done on a voluntary basis. Although I would agree that some form of thank you is in order. And I suspect that when she said free she was just referring to the additional hours, as its going to cost her for food etc.

ReetPetit Wed 08-May-13 21:23:02

i don't think we have to be registered for overnight care anymore PinkCanary confused i'm pretty sure that's what i was told at my last inspection and my certificate no longer makes any mention of overnight care.

BackforGood Wed 08-May-13 22:07:56

I too would read that as "the extra hours can be free", but I presume most people would still get a very generous set of vouchers for her to do that.

looneytune Wed 08-May-13 23:11:45

If I'd have texted that in this situation I would most definitely have meant the extra hours were free, I would NOT be loosing out on my usual income and that's with families who have been with me 6 years and who I've become very close to - I still have bills to pay!

But yes, I think it would be nice to give an amount as a thank you anyway as this i a big thing.

PinkCanary Wed 08-May-13 23:48:47

Clause 3.76 in the EYFS stipulates that you DO need to inform Ofsted of your intention to provide overnight care, however you no longer need to wait for them to validate it. You just need the relevant risk assessments in place. I would imagine without ofsted records showing the intention any insurance policy would be invalidated. I personally wouldn't take the risk for the sake of a quick phone call / email. A minder local to me is in prison due to an accidental child death which occurred overnight.

letseatgrandma Tue 14-May-13 18:54:25

Please tell me you have realised she didn't mean 'don't pay me at all'??!

ReetPetit Tue 14-May-13 20:14:34

Gosh, i do hope so or that could have been extremely embarassing! I can't believe anyone of sane mind would think their cm would offer to have their 2 dc 24 hrs for 5 days for free!! Even giving up a full weeks wages - dear god, thats crazy.

kylesmybaby Tue 14-May-13 20:23:17

i'm totally shocked you are thinking of just buying her a voucher. its the sort of stupid thing i would say when i dont really mean it. as you said neither of you talk money. your reactions shocking. who is going to pay for what it costs her to have them for the week. you were thinking £600 so at least give her £400. in an envelope like you usually do.

ReetPetit Tue 14-May-13 20:30:55

Some people are just me, me, me. Fancy sunning it up while someone else looks after your kids for 105 hrs all for a voucher! I think i've seen it all now, really shocking confused

Sheshelob Tue 14-May-13 20:34:25

Wow.

Even if she is too generous stupid to waive a fee, you should insist, out of common decency - for the booked hours AND the overnights. She is looking after your children and it is a business arrangement. Favours do no-one any favours. Keep it formal - then everyone knows where they stand.

Sheshelob Tue 14-May-13 20:35:56

My post made no sense!

Righteous indignation + exhaustion = nonsense.

Précis: pay her!

<returns to high horse>

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