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Is it too low?

(52 Posts)
MarieSarah Fri 01-Feb-13 16:50:48

Hello,

I have a little boy who is one month old. I had found a great nanny ( more than 6 years of exprience, qualified, good references...) but she told us last week that she had found a better job and let us down.

I have interviewed 2 other nannies but they both declined the job saying that it wasn't paying enough.

I am searching for a nanny/housekeeper, so she would do everyhting in the house (the floor, the baby's/our's laundry and ironong, cook, clean the bathrooms, kitchen, and keep everything clean in general, the flat isn't big) as I will be working full time.

She would have sole care of our 3 month old son. I want someone with more than 5 years experience with babies and if possible qualified. I want my son to get out twice a day at least 1 hour (and from 6 month, go to Gymboree or playgroups).

It would be 45/55 hours a week, and the pay would be between 6,5 and7 pounds net an hour. My friend tells me that it's really low, but I think it's already good for a full time.

Can you tell me if yu think it's low for central london, and how much should I pay for what I ask?

OutragedFromLeeds Fri 01-Feb-13 17:03:53

Is it live-in? Or live-out?

If it's live-out then you need to pay at least £10 net ph to get someone with qualifications and experience.

Why don't you look at other ads for your area and see what they're offering. This will give you an idea of what the average expected wage is.

Runoutofideas Fri 01-Feb-13 17:07:14

From what I read on here that is very low. Decent nannies are able to command £10-12 p h gross especially nanny/housekeepers as many don't want the housekeeping role. You should always discuss it as a gross salary anway to avoid confusion over tax. I would imagine there are childminders in central london earning £6.50 per hour, so if that is your budget you may need to consider a childminder instead.

HeadFairy Fri 01-Feb-13 17:08:33

I do think that's quite low for central London. We're in Surrey and we pay that to our nanny who is not formally trained and brings her own dd to work with her and does no domestic duties (well none that I ask her to, sometimes she's very sweet and does it anyway). The job is only 30 hours a week and I'm always conscious that we pay at the low end of the scale so I'm very generous with leave (we pretty much let her have what she wants so long as my mum is around at the time to look after the kids - it usually works out as 6 weeks a year) and I do give her an extra £30 a week to spend on extras which I dont' ask her to account for, it's hers to do with what she likes though if I ask her to get a loaf of bread she has to get it out of that money. But that's rare.

Be wary of net salaries... work out what you can afford and offer a gross salary. We've been stung by the net salary thing in the past.

ReetPetit Fri 01-Feb-13 17:13:00

far too low! sorry...

childminders in central london are £8 an hour so what you are offering is ridiculous

nbee84 Fri 01-Feb-13 17:14:32

The job won't appeal to many experienced nannies because of the housekeeping element. In central London you would be looking to pay at least £10 net per hour and if you want the housekeeping done to an additional premium taking it to at least £12-£13 net per hour. Nannies will usually do what's termed as 'nursery duties' which are any household tasks related to the children - so keeping their rooms clean, doing their washing and ironing, cooking for them etc.

With the money you have quoted I think it will have to be a childminder - which is the cheaper option when you only have one child.

KatherinaMinola Fri 01-Feb-13 17:16:49

If one person has chucked the job in before starting and two others have declined it then I think you have your answer...

Pendipidy Fri 01-Feb-13 17:17:12

Why don't you employ a cleaner and a nanny or child minder? Cleaner for a few hours a week and the nanny Will have less hours and more time to do baby stuff. I wouldn't want to work those hours, those jobs for that amount of money. Far too low.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved Fri 01-Feb-13 17:23:08

For London? Yup too low, I found someone for £10ph gross, but had many refuse the job when they realised it wasn't net... I suspect I'll be having to give a pay rise soon so she doesn't leave.

Also agree to get a cleaner once a week too, as nannys will normally not be solely responsible for cleaning. I wouldn't ask mine to do mopping floors or cleaning bathroom for example.

ReetPetit Fri 01-Feb-13 17:51:11

is this a real post? hmm

MarieSarah Fri 01-Feb-13 17:54:15

Yes, it's real. Is 7 pounds net an hour really too low? 10 £ an hour is so much! I's rather not chose a chilminder or a nursery as I'd like someone at home to make everything run as I won#t be there during the week and would like to relax during the weekend.

Do you think 8£ an hour would be enough?

Nicknamenotavailableeither Fri 01-Feb-13 17:56:35

I suspect not seeing as all the replies recommended paying at least £10 per hour.

ReetPetit Fri 01-Feb-13 17:57:56

at least £10, probably more. not many qualified nannies with several years experience are interested in washing floors etc hmm

you can't have someone taking your baby out for a specified number of hours a day AND doing all your cleaning.

To be blunt, if you want all that, it's best not to go to work OR pay the going rate...

Gigondas Fri 01-Feb-13 18:01:45

No it won't- 9 pound minimum . When you consider area, split role and hours it is too low.
I am not in central London and pay more 10 ph for nanny/housekeeper.

It is a question of paying going rate or doing as other have suggested - nursery/cm and cleaner.

ReetPetit Fri 01-Feb-13 18:02:07

and you need more than one person.

You need to pay a nanny the going rate for childcare of your baby and then get a cleaner as well....

why is it that people think it's acceptable to pay childcarers such a low wage? they are caring for your most prized possession!!

nbee84 Fri 01-Feb-13 18:05:17

Why would a nanny take a job with all the household cleaning and cooking, when they could take a job with only nursery duties for the same or more money? If you did manage to get someone at anything up to £10 per hour, don't expect them to stay for long!

ReetPetit Fri 01-Feb-13 18:06:38

or be very good at their job wink

OutragedFromLeeds Fri 01-Feb-13 18:10:00

OP you've had 3 nannies turn the job down because it isn't enough.

Then 7 posts telling you, yes it's too low.

Then you come back to ask, is it really too low?

Look at other job ads for your area and use your common sense.

HeadFairy Fri 01-Feb-13 18:11:37

I agree I think there's too much domestic duties in there... nannies are not cleaners and vice versa...

Megsdaughter Fri 01-Feb-13 18:12:14

I'm a Nanny/Housekeeper, with 2 year old & 4 year charges. 4 year old at school.

In Wiltshire.

I have 30 years experience.

I get £13.00 net.

And I dont do the heavy cleaning, a lass comes in on a Friday to hoover right through wash floors and do things like windows.

I do the washing, the children's rooms, whip the hoover round if need be, cook and bake. I dont iron (nor does anyone smile )

On top of my £13.00 per hour I get 45p per mile petrol and ten pounds per week for groups and such.

Have you factored in that as well?

nannynick Fri 01-Feb-13 18:20:44

5 years experience with babies?
So if a nanny starts a job and the baby is 3 months old, they stay a year (so that's one year baby experience, or is it less?) then move to another job again with a 3 month old, stay a year, move on... You get the idea... It could take a long time even if changing job very frequently to get 5 years baby experience, unless their employer keeps producing babies every 18 months!

To have that amount of experience the nanny may have been nannying 15 years perhaps more. They are going to command a higher salary than you are offering.

dorapeppageorgenoddy Fri 01-Feb-13 18:21:36

We pay £10 an hr and our nanny does light household duties basically when the toddler sleeps but they are based around children's needs; children's washing, tidying kids rooms, children's food and she tidies the kitchen again mainly cause its her and the children that use it - she does out the Hoover over twice a week but again only in children's rooms and tv/playroom -

I think cleaning your house and things for you (your washing) should n't be a Nanny's job -

Have you looked at an au pair? To support the household jobs - like someone else said a nanny for your child and a cleaner once a week is probably the answer -

Good Nanny's are 10-12 an hr -

EldonAve Fri 01-Feb-13 18:25:41

You need to pay £10 - £12 a hr net

I don't think the domestic duties are the issue, just the low wage

fufulina Fri 01-Feb-13 18:28:38

We are paying £11 gross per hour for a four day week, forty hours. Our (lovely) nanny is not expected to do any cleaning or chores, other than dealing with toy mess and cooking mess made during her day. I have a cleaner, and me and dh deal with washing/ironing. I also organise food shopping and sort menu planning. We have two dds and one is out at preschool for 3 hours a day. Baby sleeps for 2-3 hours a day.

We offered the pay we did because we can afford it, and it gives us room for a pay rise and we can be generous with things like holiday allowance.

Definitely talk gross, not net. And in central london, you'd be looking at £10-£15 gross. But, as nanny nick advised me when I was looking, offer what you want to pay and see what happens. Which you've done, and it's not enough. So revise the pay, re advertise and see what happens.

fufulina Fri 01-Feb-13 18:29:42

Sorry, to clarify, we're in zone 2. Finsbury park, so pretty central.

OutragedFromLeeds Fri 01-Feb-13 18:33:43

Nick I think it depends on what you class as a baby, I think 0-2 is probably baby experience, at some point they transition into 'toddlers', but toddler are still babies really!

My first job DC2 was 5 months old when I started, they then had DC3 when DC2 was 17 months old. So that would be nearly 3 years baby experience (using 0-2 as the baby stage).

My second job DC2 was 8 months when I started, they then had DC3 when DC2 was 3.6, so that was 1 year 4 months of baby experience with DC2 and 2 years baby experience with DC3 (although mum didn't go back to work until he was 7 months, so the first 7 months was shared care).

I've been quite lucky with parents having more children though!

ZuleikaD Fri 01-Feb-13 18:37:18

Yep, too low by a country mile.

MortifiedAdams Fri 01-Feb-13 18:37:28

So you want someone to look after a five month old full time and do all the housekeeping, laundry, cook for you all? And you want to pay tgem £7ph? You are having a fucking laugh right?

Even at home in Maternity Leave with my 5mo I didnt iron amd DH still did some cooking and housework.

How do you expect one person to do two big jobs like that???

iluvkids Fri 01-Feb-13 18:38:42

i class babies as under one's.

Much prefer looking after little ones aged 15months upwards.

OutragedFromLeeds Fri 01-Feb-13 18:43:10

Really? Under one? So a 13 month old who can't walk, talk, feed themselves properly, is in a nappy etc is what?

It makes me sad that you're not a baby at 13 months!!

ReetPetit Fri 01-Feb-13 18:50:22

lol at mortifiedadams grin

at least you say what everyone else is thinking! brilliant - i agree with you totally.

i have worked in childcare for 16 yrs and am still amazed daily by how people try and get away with scrimping and saving on their childcare - but still expect the highest standards of care for pfb - ain't gonna happen!!

ceeveebee Fri 01-Feb-13 18:51:33

When exactly do you expect this supernanny to find the time to do all this cleaning if she is looking after little one?

You need two separate people - a nanny on £12: hour gross (that is normal for London) and a cleaner who would probably charge £30 a week or so

RosieGirl Fri 01-Feb-13 18:55:57

I rarely reply to posts not about childminding (being a childminder), but this really shocks me.

You want someone who has been to college gained a qualification to work with children, have experience behind them, and do ALL your crap, for £7 ph !!

I work a 50 hour week and then do my own washing and ironing at the weekend. Light duties, yes, keeping your whole house in order, you are taking the mickey.

cathers Fri 01-Feb-13 19:04:13

I really really think you are not going to find a nanny to do those hours and jobs for £7 per hour. I was paying £30,000 gross a year or £12.00 per hour last year for a nanny, 50 hours a week,live out and with her doing house jobs and experienced. They don't exist for what you are willing to pay.

ZuleikaD Fri 01-Feb-13 19:09:31

Incidentally I've done this sort of job, albeit with two children, and I was paid £35,000 per annum pro rata. And that wasn't by any means unreasonable.

Viviennemary Fri 01-Feb-13 19:12:34

I don't think most nannies would be prepared to do the amount of housework you need. I don't think there is usually such a thing as a nanny/housekeeper. It's two different jobs. Nannies might do a little bit of cleaning and tidying but some don't do any expect in the children's rooms. I think you will have to get a cleaner if you need a lot of cleaning done.

ceeveebee Fri 01-Feb-13 19:31:20

Nanny/housekeeper is a genuine job but I think more for school age children, not newborns

Corygal Fri 01-Feb-13 19:35:52

Much too low. And your relentless pushing to get away with paying someone barely the minumum wage to bring up your children and run your house and do your cooking while you 'relax' suggests there may be other reasons you can find no single taker for these various posts.

ReetPetit Fri 01-Feb-13 19:45:08

lol grin

HeadFairy Fri 01-Feb-13 19:48:56

I suspect the OP isn't English... hence lack of experience in these matters.

MarieSarah Fri 01-Feb-13 20:00:23

I'm French ;) . Well, it seems like it is clear that I will have to pay more.

thanks for your help everyone

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 01-Feb-13 21:50:44

wow, as others said you are offering a very low wage

you want someone with baby and 5yr exp as have a young baby - fair enough

but then you want someone to basically do a housekeeper role as well as wash/clean etc

no way you will get that for the money you are offering

yes i understand that maybe thats all you can afford, so you need to lower your standards

get a nanny with less exp, my first job 21 years ago was with a 4mth baby and 5yr and parents chose me as couldnt afford someone with exp, but i had just finished doing the NNEB

and then get a cleaner as well

fraktion Fri 01-Feb-13 23:58:39

You won't get a nounou in London who will look after the baby and the house. You need to double the wage you're offering because nannies here are trained and/or experienced professionals. It just isn't the same market at all.

Even so £6.50net equivalent in Paris would be low-ish for an experienced nounou and childcare in London is much more expensive.

traintracks Sat 02-Feb-13 00:03:24

Outer London the going rate is at least £10 net.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved Sat 02-Feb-13 00:31:27

gosh i am now really worried i will lose my nanny as pay her £10 net and she helps me (disabled) as well as looks after ds. I'm not particularly onerous to look after, and she is an absolutely atrocious cook (!) BUT she's very kind and reliable, and goes the extra mile for us, and I'm around am awful lot, which is definitely more difficult for her, and it would be terrible if we lost her... so should I give her a little pay rise? I can't afford a big one, but maybe 50per hr more? just to show her i appreciate her?

nannynick Sat 02-Feb-13 00:37:19

DoubleLife - are you in central London?
How long has she been with you, a pay review once a year can help to keep salary up with other local jobs.

Mosman Sat 02-Feb-13 00:38:35

Wow, I was paying £10 an hour net in the North West to look after one toddler and I had a cleaner to do all the domestic stuff. That is very low and a bit cheeky.

Forresitters Sat 02-Feb-13 13:22:47

Have you considered a nanny share? It may work out much more affordable for you and your little one will also get to spend time with another baby. Most experienced nannies looking for a share are paid £12phn (£6ph per family). If you are able to, you could also employ a cleaner then.
My first full time nanny job was when I was 19yrs old and I had a 6mth old baby and was paid £8ph net and extra for expenses, mileage and so on. That was 10 years ago and I've worked in various areas of London.

Sorry but I think what you're offering is extremely low for an experienced nanny. I would never take a permanent job for less than £10phn.

You'd be better off with a nanny who's just started out and needs to gain experience or a nannyshare.

forevergreek Sat 02-Feb-13 13:43:45

nannies are very rarely housekeepers. usually only if the children are older and at school most the day. even then a nanny generally only does child related things.

if you want your floors mopped you need a cleaner = around£10 gross per hour

if you want if you need a cook for yourself (as baby on milk only), and someone to iron and sort your life you need either an experienced housekeeper or a cook combined with a cleaner who will iron = £10 net per hr/ £12.50 ish gross

a nanny full time, with 5 years baby experience = min £10 net/£12.50 gross

an average nanny in london on 50 hours a week is on £500 net a week, and then you need to convert to gross and add ni ontop (prob£700 is a week give or take depending on tax code, the more hours, the higher the tax margin)

£7 and hour is what most childminder in central london are getting, and they can have multiple children and hour. (up to 6 under 8 years, so theoretically £42 an hour)

to get all the things you want you really are looking at at least 2 different people and around £800 min a week

Locketjuice Sat 02-Feb-13 13:48:53

That's really low, I have quite a few nanny friends on £10 ph just for 8-4 baby duties no housework

sleeplessinderbyshire Sat 02-Feb-13 14:24:55

I pay that for someone v part time who is essentially a babysitter 2 afternoons a week (and has no childcare qualifications but is a mum and grandma herself) and we are "oop north" in an area of v high unemployment (and I am starting to feel guilty and will likely offer a pay rise to mine at the end of her probationary period)

OP no way will you find anyone even half decent prepared to work for that money

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved Sat 02-Feb-13 18:07:14

nanny yes am in centra ish london, but she's only been with me 3 months, so not sure when is appropriate to think about pay reviews. She's quite young and hasn't done any childcare courses, although she's very sensible and has had a couple of nannying jobs before.

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