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nanny ad, critical comment welcome

(35 Posts)
sleeplessinderbyshire Wed 28-Nov-12 22:00:44

Would anyone mind giving me some feedback on my nanny advert (have posted on netmums and on childcare.co.uk so far but happy to edit it if anyone thinks it is pants). I've never had a nanny before so this is all very new

THE ADVERT:

"I'm looking for a part time nanny to look after my two children from February 2013 when I return to work after maternity leave. The girls will at that point be 3.5years old and 6 months old. We need someone either from 7am til 7pm on a Monday or from 1pm-7pm on a Monday and Thursday. We live in XYZ village and have two very placid cats and 5 free range chickens in the garden.

The ideal person will be loving, fun, creative and flexible. Previous experience as a nanny would be ideal but not essential if you have previous experience of looking after children of these ages. You must be able to drive and have access to a car for work (mileage will be reimbursed at standard rates). We are a non smoking household.

Salary negotiable depending on experience

If you are interested in this post please contact me"

Any thoughts??

SamSmalaidh Wed 28-Nov-12 22:02:36

I would give some indication of salary. Sounds like you would be happy with a fairly inexperienced nanny, so are you expecting to pay a fairly low salary?

PurpleHeadedMountain Wed 28-Nov-12 22:06:40

I would indicate salary too. Can't think of anything else you've omitted. Good luck!

nannynick Wed 28-Nov-12 22:16:21

Give a salary. Is it really negotiable, or have you set yourself a budget? Specify a Gross salary, or give a salary range. Do not give a Net salary, as they could well have other income, it may not be their only job.

If a nanny is wanting £10 per hour gross and you are offering them £7 per hour gross, it's not worth either your time, or their time, to go through the interview process. See this recent thread where a nanny went for interview and expected 17.50 an hour.

The job won't suit that many people as it's just 12 hours but it's good that you are putting that it could be Monday all day, or a combo of Mon and Thur afternoons. I presume your work is quite flexible, though does that perhaps mean you are working from home?

You are saying you will consider people who have not been a nanny before, which is bound to help make it more attractive to local people who may have their own older children, or have worked in other childcare jobs.

With regard to advertising, don't exclude any local places you could advertise such as a newsagents, farm shop, that sort of place. Simple postcard ad, giving basic info (salary, days, hours, location) and asking them to contact you (phone, email) so you can give them more information.

scarlettsmummy2 Wed 28-Nov-12 22:20:00

I would also put in about putting them through a crb check- presuming you would be doing this.

nannynick Wed 28-Nov-12 22:23:16

A parent can't put someone though a CRB check. So it's pointless unless you have a friendly nanny agency who would do that for you.

scarlettsmummy2 Wed 28-Nov-12 22:27:00

I am in scotland and you can do a basic check online, not sure of the rules in the rest of the uk.

OutragedFromLeeds Wed 28-Nov-12 22:33:31

I would put salary range in.

I wouldn't bother mentioning a CRB check because no-one is going to be suprised when you ask and only someone with something to hide would be bothered.

I would mention ofsted registration and first aid if you need/want it.

mathanxiety Fri 30-Nov-12 04:52:04

You should say whether any cooking will be expected, whether the nanny will be responsible for putting the DCs to bed for the night, bathing, whether the nanny will have an evening meal for herself included. If you anticipate the nanny will be ferrying the DCs around in her car you should have some way to check if the candidate is insured, nanny has a clean driving record, and the car is roadworthy and fits your car seats.

Strix United States Fri 30-Nov-12 13:33:24

Use I or we consistently. As a nanny I would want to know whether I will be taking direction from just you or both of you.

You don't say much about the children's personalities. I think you need to sell the job a bit. Is the 3.5 year old active, sporty, crafty, any regular activities, etc.

NotAChocolateRaisin Fri 30-Nov-12 20:55:52

Definitely put salary in!
It's a pet peeve of mine - I will never respond to an ad that doesn't have salary stated. "salary negotiable" means nothing - I put a lot of effort in my ad replies and it just simply isn't worth it (and its awkward) if the salary turns out to be low. I always assume that the salary is ridiculously low if not stated, why else wouldnt you say it?

Bagofspiders Fri 30-Nov-12 21:05:14

It could be problematic for the nanny to carry your DC's about in their own car. As a nanny myself I've found it stupidly expensive to get insured to carry children so would avoid a job like this.

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 30-Nov-12 21:07:02

Agree a salary is good but understand why parents don't put it in as for example if they offer £13 gross which is around £10 nett then a younger nanny may want that and be peeved when they are offered say £10 gross

In any reply I give to emails That i receive to my ads I always mention salary first as if the parents don't want to / can't afford to pay what I need to pay my bills then no point in both of us wasting our time in meeting

I may come across as rather blunt but mentioning it but no other way smile

nbee84 Fri 30-Nov-12 23:02:09

Bagofspiders - not sure why you have found it expensive to get insurance to cover you. I started a job part way through my car insurance year and when I rang up to add business insurance there was no additional premium (just £25 for the new paperwork to be sent to me - how they get away with charging that much I don't know!) I've since used Morten Michel for my insurance as they have tailor made deals for child care workers and their quotes are always competitive when I ring around.

nbee84 Fri 30-Nov-12 23:03:46

It's also fairly common for a nanny to use their own car - of the 7 nannies that I know only 2 have a car provided.

Bagofspiders Sat 01-Dec-12 12:45:04

Really nbee84, that's interesting, I wonder why I was quoted so much then! Maybe because I have a 7 seater? I'll definitely give it anotherr go, thanks!
In that case please ignore my last post OP grin.

NotAChocolateRaisin Sat 01-Dec-12 22:32:41

I'm insured to use my car as a Nanny and it cost me an extra £12 a year (Diamond Insurance)

Welovecouscous Sat 01-Dec-12 23:20:00

Just a thought about the hours - we had a nanny for a similar set up and my dc failed to bond with her. sad Don't want to be negative, but if I had my time again I would have paid extra for her to take a few days holiday from her other role and really bond with the dc for a few days before going into the usual care pattern.

Since then lots of people have said that they don't like roles like this for the reason that dc are slow to bond - maybe something to be aware of.

sleeplessinderbyshire Tue 04-Dec-12 13:23:38

I am meeting/interviewing someone later in the week. Older (well my sort of age) with primary school aged kids. Was a live in nanny in London/abroad for years before having kids and since then been on career break.

Planning "interview" loosely around what she'd plan to do with the kids, approach to discipline and routines. Clearly working out what she'd do (she says she'd do family laundry and cooking which is big bonus)

She says she has a CRB from 10yr ago but nothing recent. Can I get a CRB as a parent? She has a reference from job 10yr ago and some potential referees of people she's babysat for regularly in her village - does this sound ok? Help. Tell me what I do next.....

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 04-Dec-12 14:31:13

Honestly I would be wary of employing someone who hasn't been in a childcare career for 10yrs - regardless if they have their own children

Crb / no you can't get one. She needs to through a nanny agency - I would not employ someone with no crb and only a 10yr old ref

If you do really like her then ask for 3 character referenced from
People that have known her

Yes ring ref from 10yrs ago and see what they say but you need something more recent

Obv she will need to do a 1st aid course and get nanny insurence / all things that she prob wouldn't think about where a nanny who is working currently with children should have

What would you pay someone in this position?

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 04-Dec-12 14:33:46

'Honestly I would be wary of employing someone who hasn't been in a childcare career for 10yrs - regardless if they have their own children'

why confused?

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 04-Dec-12 14:39:54

Because they would have had 10yrs of doing things the way they want and may be hard to take instructions again

Same as in any job - not just childcare - but that's just my opinion smile

mathanxiety Tue 04-Dec-12 14:47:06

I would say it would depend very much on the person and how she came across. I wouldn't write someone off at all just based on how things may look on paper (and I don't think she looks bad on paper). Someone who is willing to do family laundry and cooking is someone who really needs the job and someone with children of her own knows the ropes.

I hate to see a woman who has taken a break to raise her own family written off basically because she has been out of the market for a few years -- and from doing a job that requires care of children and the home at that. Experience is experience, whether with your own children or others imo.

This is a one day a week job or possibly two days but same hours -- to me the ideal candidate would be a quick learner, someone who pays attention and isn't permanently on her phone, someone kind and patient and able to multitask, and someone who is reliable and responsible and organised.

sleeplessinderbyshire Tue 04-Dec-12 14:47:46

clearly i need something more recent (hence thinking about character refs from people she babysits for now)

mathanxiety Tue 04-Dec-12 14:55:24

A person who has had children and who has spent 10 years doing things the way they want is a person who has a fleet of servants taking orders. The first thing that goes out the window when you are dealing with small children is getting things done the way you want, when you want them done.

I would personally like to employ someone who is capable of taking the initiative and doesn't need orders or a schedule to adhere to, and who has experience of playing it by ear, which most parents do a lot of with little children. Someone who can keep most of the balls in the air at the same time is far better imo as a nanny prospect than one who will blow you away with her list of fab activities without even seeing the children first or knowing much about their interests, attention span, etc.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 04-Dec-12 14:57:24

True mathanxiety smile

And as only 2 days then yes harder to find a nanny so op if you like her then just make sure you check and double check ref an get a crb

nannynick Tue 04-Dec-12 15:32:59

Whilst you can't get a CRB check, if you are in Scotland you could get a Basic level check done. If you are in England/Wales then I think that police forces will print off a copy of their police record (if any). To get hold of this, they would have to apply to their local police service and ask for a “subject
access request” under the Data Protection Act 1998. There will probably be a
charge for this (£10 probably) and can take up to 40 days.

They could contact a local nanny agency and ask nicely if they would process a check for them, it is likely to cost quite a bit more than the CRBs own fee, as the nanny agency will probably be using a thrid party to process the check and then add on some admin charge themselves.

Will a CRB check tell you anything you don't already know about the person? It might but it probably won't. So you could ask for a signed statement saying that since the date of her last CRB check she has not had any cautions or convictions.

CRB is changing in 2013, so there may come a point during next year that checks can be applied for easier. It is unknown at this stage but it may become easier to apply for checks for domestic staff.

Tinies Screening Service may be useful but it's quite costly. They charge £91 for the CRB check, not clear if that is Enhanced Level or not, though at that price I would expect it to be the Enhanced level check.

mathanxiety Tue 04-Dec-12 15:46:08

When I worked for a while as a nanny I signed on with an online agency that charged me for a security check which I could use either for work arising from membership of that agency or for others who might be interested in my services but not necessarily interested in going through the agency. Maybe the potential nanny would be willing to sign up for something online and pay herself, if there is some such thing available. I think a nanny would understand how a parent would be interested in making sure of her record and would be willing to stump up for a background check.

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 04-Dec-12 19:58:51

If you ask her to register with Ofsted, they will do a CRB check. It also means you can use childcare vouchers to pay her. It costs £103 a year I think, you would normally be expected to pay this, although you could ask her to pay, some nannies do.

I find it quite sad that anyone would be 'wary' of employing a woman who has taken a career break to raise children with absolutely no knowledge of her qualifications, experience, what she has been doing during her career break, her personality, her references etc.

We should probably also be 'wary' of employing women 18-35 as well in case they get pregnant and go on maternity leave....and probably women aged late 40's-50's incase of menopausal mood swings....in fact probably best to stop employing women altogether!

fufulina Tue 04-Dec-12 20:01:48

I've just recruited a nanny using nannyjob.co.uk. It was £25 to post the ad and keep it live for a month and the calibre of applicants I got was much better than childcare.co.uk.

I specified salary and a need to be OFSTED registered (so we can use childcare vouchers), and am really pleased with the nanny we have lined up.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 05-Dec-12 00:02:07

I see your point outraged smile

Regards ofsted - employers should pay the cost - it's no benefit to the nanny - of anything it's a pain especially when get paid several times a month rather then One payment

no nannies in my area would pay the cost

mathanxiety Wed 05-Dec-12 02:35:22

That is my thought too Outraged.

Actually, nannying was my first job post divorce and SAHMing and I am forever grateful to the family that gave me that chance. I paid for my security screening because I desperately needed a job and I didn't want it to be a stumbling block for a potential employer.

sleeplessinderbyshire Sat 08-Dec-12 17:19:34

Arse arse arse. we met her today and really liked her as did the 3 year old. Took up references by phone - all good. Emailled job offer and have just had reply saying she has been offered and accepted a different job.

Had my hopes up and now dashed. Hope someone else will reply to my ad as am feeling rather despondent now

mathanxiety Sat 08-Dec-12 19:25:35

What a shame. Good luck with the next one .

mathanxiety Sat 08-Dec-12 19:27:44

When I got my job offer it was right there at the interview after a preliminary phone interview at which I had given my reference details so they had checked me out before I sat down with them. Mind you my charge was a baby of 4 months so the question of the baby taking to me wasn't really an issue.

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