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germyrabbit Sat 17-Nov-12 19:54:38

but was surprised to see they paid £22-27 for three hours for childcare professional babysitting

this is very cheap for qualified, mostly ofsted registered practitioners isn't it?

am a bit fed up to think that's the going rate. not really worth signing up is it

MrsCampbellBlack Sat 17-Nov-12 19:56:54

I use sitters and think its £6.25 an hour - this is for evening babysitting so just sitting watching my tv whilst my children are asleep in bed - I've always thought that's pretty generous to be honest.

germyrabbit Sat 17-Nov-12 20:01:14

really? maybe for a teenager

MrsCampbellBlack Sat 17-Nov-12 20:04:36

Well how much do you want to sit in someone's house when their children are in bed and asleep. I generally pay £30 for 4 hours babysitting and I don't know anyone who pays anymore than that.

germyrabbit Sat 17-Nov-12 20:06:16

oh okay, i just thought it was quite low as they were promoting the fact that all their sitters were highly qualified etc. just wouldn't give up my evenings for that amount

marquesas Sat 17-Nov-12 20:06:27

I suppose it depends partly on where you are in the county but that's about the max I would pay. The thing is you may be really highly qualified but as MrsCB says all you're doing mostly is watching TV so you can't expect to get full value for the qualifications imo.

WhereMyMilk Sat 17-Nov-12 20:06:35

I pay my sitter, though not through an agency £7.50 an hour. She works at DS's nursery and is a qualified TA etc, plus I have 3 DC so think it's worth it, especially as the oldest are staying up later, so she has to entertain them and put them to bed, read stories etc

Not sure I answered your query here though...

AnnIonicIsoTronic Sat 17-Nov-12 20:06:39

I think the payoff for the lower rate is that they deal with the bookings, so you work when you like (rather than spending ages finding clients of your own & then feeling obliged when they call).

It is typically 'on top' of your day job & they specify that kids need to already be in bed.

forevergreek Sat 17-Nov-12 20:09:49

As a nanny I don't go through sitters as they pay far lower than I can earn on my own

MrsCampbellBlack Sat 17-Nov-12 20:11:00

What you want are local clients so one of the sitters I regularly use is a cm in my village so she just walks down and does her babysitting whilst watching tv etc here. Not much hassle for her and welcome extra money for her.

germyrabbit Sat 17-Nov-12 20:14:26

i guess it's okay if the children are asleep and stay asleep!

MrsCampbellBlack Sat 17-Nov-12 20:16:02

That's why you need to choose your clients wisely wink

germyrabbit Sat 17-Nov-12 20:22:50

lol well i am highly qualified (though for over 5s) none of that early years shite for me

£10 per hour thank you very much will stay until dawn grin

london and home counties only

HolyBrrrrrrBatman Sat 17-Nov-12 20:32:21

I'm in London and all the nannies I know charge £8-10ph for babysitting.

nannynick Sat 17-Nov-12 22:31:24

If only children were asleep, I wonder if that really is the case, what if it's 6:30pm are children really going to be in bed?

PatriciaHolm Sun 18-Nov-12 00:59:55

Sitters don't specify kids need to be in bed; ours usually are, but not always, and it's never an issue. Might be more so with very young ones who fight bed though I guess.

anewyear Sun 18-Nov-12 11:43:27

Quote 'well i am highly qualified (though for over 5s) none of that early years shite for me'

Early years shite? really!

So would you not babysit for a family with under 5s then?
Hope none of your prospective clients are reading this thread!

germyrabbit Sun 18-Nov-12 11:50:17

fgs hmm sorry for being flippant on saturday night

AnnIonicIsoTronic Sun 18-Nov-12 11:51:06

It's a bit of a non sequitur!

Qualifications in the context of babysitters ime is generally to do with being able to calm and manage young children (toiletting/feeding/separation anxiety/choking/vomiting/ overheating etc etc etc). Once they get bigger is exactly when babysitting becomes the kind of responsibility that a willing teen could manage. It's not like the babysitter is throwing in a few hours of homework help!

germyrabbit Sun 18-Nov-12 11:52:24

well i wouldn't do it anyway! it's very badly paid!

AnnIonicIsoTronic Sun 18-Nov-12 12:03:52

On the other hand - I did look into getting a homework helper for DS. The subject was a bit niche (& my DM was sifting the adverts choosily) - but the cheapest tutour was £20 per hour while the most expensive was £40 per hour. For primary aged DC!

If you really are qualified - maybe that's a better gig for you?

The sitters I've had from sitters have typically been young TAs & turned up with an armful of textbooks (presumably studying to be teachers) - so it does work for them, I think.

anewyear Sun 18-Nov-12 12:27:53

Flippant in your eyes, not necessary in mine.

Why are you complaining about it then? Some of us need the money you know...

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 17:24:11

You see I still don't think its badly paid - its babysitting after all for on the whole children who are asleep.

CharlieCoCo Sun 18-Nov-12 18:11:47

I dont use sitters as under the going rate and yes the kids may be sleeping but the way i see it is you are doing night shift. People can be sleeping in a care home or a hospital ward, its still the worker's job. This is still our job and at the end of the day, sitters do charge under the going rate. I dont have a problem with people using them, nannies or parents though, just my opinion.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 18:48:41

This is interesting because when there have been threads on babysitting rates on mn before - sitters was near the top of what people were prepared to pay.

happychappy Sun 18-Nov-12 18:53:37

Wow only read the beginning of this thread and it being generous to sit in someones house watching telly.
I babysat last night in a hotel for a wedding. Between 3 of us we had 9 children and all of them woke up at some point, one was sick everywhere and they were all coughing and waking because of colds. I personally didn't watch any telly but was up and down with some very unsettled children. I'm glad I don't sit for the lady that felt that 6.25 is very generous for watching telly. How unappreciative.

CharlieCoCo Sun 18-Nov-12 18:55:20

I havent seen the previous threads but maybe it depends where about you are. Its very low in Central London, but say up north could be the going rate. I get paid £10 an hr, which i have never asked for, this is what i have been told by parents they will pay me, but i babysit for my nanny friends bosses when they cant babysit. Usually i would charge £8 an hr for my own bosses but my current bosses have said £10 and im not going to say no, you must give me less. I guess to them though, im not their babysitter im their nanny.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 18:56:12

Well happy - in my house with my children that's what my sitter does - seriously - my children don't wake up.

And I've put them to bed before she gets there.

So I fail to see how I'm unappreciative and also if you read further you'd note I pay her £30 for 4 hours because I round it up.

So I feel your situation is pretty different to the one I described but perhaps you ummm can't see that. You know - arriving at a house and checking on sleeping children a few times to dealing with 9 children in a hotel who you presumably have never met etc etc.

RooneyMara Sun 18-Nov-12 18:56:19

6.25 sounds VERY good value to me. I never go out and never use a sitter btw. I just sit for a friend sometimes, or he has them during the day for an hour or two. Money is never involved.

CharlieCoCo Sun 18-Nov-12 18:56:54

My friend got a babysitting job in a hotel and wasnt even allowed in the room. she had to sit in the hallway all night with no entertainment but her phone). i have also had friends babysit in a hotel and have had to sit in darkness so 'the kids dont wake up'. I personally wouldnt do hotel babysitting.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 18:57:21

Oh and I am appreciative of my regular sitter - have used her for 8 years so I guess she doesn't find me too hideous to deal with wink

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 18:58:50

Hotel babysitting does sound tricksy and a very different role to regular babysitting with a family you know who don't actually expect you to put the children to bed, read endless stories etc.

God I like my children asleep before I go out or at least the eldest in bed reading so I can relax when I go out.

cookielove Sun 18-Nov-12 19:01:00

I use to work for sitters, never again for several reasons, you never know what family you heading out to, i have had to deal with tweens refusing to go to bed, siblings fighting with each other, dogs being sick all night, parents being late back and under paying.

Also the company as a whole aren't that nice, its all well and good a parent cancelling you, but if you dare cancel due to something reasonable they are seriously not impressed, also if you are unable to as many bookings as the want you to, they take you off their books.

Unlike most people i can't have my phone on me at work, so often called them back on lunch breaks, finding out the job was taken which is fair enough, but then i was penalised as i didn't do enough jobs confused

And also the pay is not enough.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 18-Nov-12 19:02:41

They don't specify that the children must be in bed - mine rarely are as they have an 8pm bedtime.

I pay £6.50 an hour through sitters.

CharlieCoCo Sun 18-Nov-12 19:03:51

I hate that. a nanny gets a text saying can you babysit tonight and if you dont reply straight away you are penalised. You can have a sitting at 7pm and get a message at 6.55pm saying its cancelled.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 19:05:37

Do you not get any cancellation pay?

One of the 2 sitters I used lives in my village so the only time I did cancel I gave her the money the next time I saw her as it wasn't her fault and I guessed she'd have turned down other bookings.

CharlieCoCo Sun 18-Nov-12 19:24:20

No not with sitters, or didnt years ago, i dont use them now so maybe its changed.

cookielove Sun 18-Nov-12 19:29:39

You get cancellation pay if they cancel within a certain time limit i can't remember what it is though. None of the families i worked for ever cancelled, so i have no idea how you would receive the money if they did cancel as you wouldn't be seeing them hmm

ssd Sun 18-Nov-12 19:31:28

I have babysat for years and the kids are never in bed when I arrive!!

but I'm paid very well and dont mind settling children for the night, I like the parents to come home to a nice quiet house!

happychappy Sun 18-Nov-12 19:31:39

I don't generally do babysitting for the reasons I gave. Also I'm so tired the next day I'm no good to anyone especially for my own family, just another reason why it's such a pain.

My 15 year old wants to do babysitting for money but she would be looking to get £5 per hour and would be happy BUT she's 15 with very little experience. At the end of the day you get what you pay for and you want someone experience who could cope in a crisis you pay more, for the just in case.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 19:35:18

I don't use 15 year olds - particularly not when my children are small.

Still finding it amusing happy that you think I'm so unappreciative.

ssd Sun 18-Nov-12 19:50:56

would never use a 15 yr old

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 19:54:18

God I used to babysit at 15 and I was utterly clueless.

nannyl Sun 18-Nov-12 19:58:30

im with cookie love

the pay was rubbish.... i earnt nearly double babysitting for myself, and had plenty of familes wanting to use me and pay me what i charged (£10 / hour, min 4 hours)

so id get give or take £20ish for an evening with sitters / £40+ babysitting for myself

Snazzyfeelingfestive Sun 18-Nov-12 20:00:57

I thought that Sitters set a higher rate for hotel babysitting, presumably to reflect the lesser level of comfort compared to sitting in someone's home?

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 20:04:28

Do sitters take a cut from the babysitters they use? I mean I pay them a quarterly amount too so assumed what I give to the babysitter goes straight to them?

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 18-Nov-12 20:08:38

wont work for sitters, it is crap pay - yes some may argue that sitting on someone sofa watching tv and being paid for it is easy money

but sitters pay almost half what i charge (and get asked many times that im booked so find a friend of mine to do it for them) so obv dont charge too much

EldonAve Sun 18-Nov-12 20:08:44

the sitters keep all the hourly rate money

I use them & I'm happy with the service
I don't have to ring round trying to find a sitter and I don't have to faff around with paying for cabs home or provide a lift home

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 18-Nov-12 20:17:30

I totally get if you're a nanny and can get regular babystting for twice the amount then of course you'd do that. But for the 2 regular women I use they're older childminders and local and I don't think round these parts there are that many people paying £10+ an hour.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 18-Nov-12 22:14:21

Mrs C - guess depends on area plus if lots of nannies about

On one hand sitters pay more then nmw and most of the time it's sitting on bum watching tv - compared to say working in coffee shop or maccys d's

Sitters are fab for parents - they rig and get a sitter and as below said dont worry about paying cabs etc

Saying that no parents should have to pay for the sitters transport

For nannies , not so good. They can get cancelled within 30mins and no fee - annoying if tuned down other work

CharlieCoCo Sun 18-Nov-12 22:46:59

Transport is debatable. i did a babysitting job for my friend's bosses as she couldn't do it. I got £40 for the babysitting and £30 for taxi as i wasn't local and they wanted me as i was their nanny's friend, was in London after midnight so no tubes and i wasn't about to get 2 night buses via Central London on my own on saturday night nor see why £30 out of my £40 should be paid for taxi home. They would rather pay someone they know a taxi home, than a local stranger. However, they are the exception, normally i would imagine you babysit locally grin

happychappy Sun 18-Nov-12 23:16:26

Black, if you don't use 15 years olds why? Then think about what you are actually paying for, is it the sitting watching the telly or the just in case? If its the second then perhaps youre not really appreciating what your babysitter is doing and you are paying for. Regardless, it's you're choice, just as it's mine but I wouldn't work for what you're paying to be overly tired the next day taking away precious time with my children.

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 19-Nov-12 09:43:04

Happy - I pay £7.50 an hour normally as I've said on this thread as I always round up. The 2 women I use have grown-up children so your point is not relevant to me.

And obviously I'm paying for the 'just in case' element but if I was using a local teenager - some probing locally seems to indicate thats £5 an hour round here. So I'm paying 50% more than that.

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 19-Nov-12 09:44:37

Oh and 11.30 is the latest I'm ever back as you know have my own small children to get up with.

If I was out until 2am I can see it would be reasonable to pay more smile

happychappy Mon 19-Nov-12 12:11:03

That being my point, it's all relative. If you always round up and are home relatively early and your kids never wake but thats you not everyone. My daughter wants some babysitting work she's 15 with lots of experience with children and I said £5 was reasonable.

Tanith Mon 19-Nov-12 13:20:56

When working for Sitters, I've had to cook tea, bath and get the children to bed. I've had to deal with power cuts and terrified children, teething babies, kids who can't/won't sleep, vomiting bugs, undisclosed special needs (autism, ADHD), sleepover parties, defiant and rude kids, unfriendly dogs. Then there's the parents: late, rude, quibbling over payment, insisting I don't use their courtyard so I had to walk through woodland in the pitch dark. The pay in no way covers all this. I'd rather be putting my own kids to bed than having abuse screamed at me by a spoiled child who thinks I'm her servant.

Not all of them, I'll grant you. Some do have their delightful kids ready for bed and they're beautifully behaved.
Some of the parents are lovely. They became regular bookings.
The point is, you never know unless you've sat for the family before, and even then the unexpected can happen.

Sitters couldn't give a damn about the people working for them. They don't check out their clients at all. They refuse to introduce basic safety checks and try to prevent us from taking safety precautions ourselves. If we have to cancel, it goes on our record and affects future bookings offered; if the client cancels, tough.

I don't work for them any more. Less hassle, more payment and no membership fee for the client to pay, too.

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 19-Nov-12 14:28:51

God Tanith - cooking supper etc is so out of order. The reason I used them initially is because I live rurally so its very hard to find babysitters and have no family nearby.

Can you feedback to sitters re. unreasonable people?

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 19-Nov-12 15:50:46

mrs c - place an ad on netmums under childcare board asking for a babysitter/any local nannies/cm about

or have a look on the site and message those that advertise to see if they would do babysitting

costs nothing smile

Victoria2002 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:05:49

Some of the babysitters provided by this agency may be earning something similar in the day as a ta or nursery worker, they are qualified child care professionals.

Mosman Fri 23-Nov-12 14:12:00

I was babysitting at 15 for a fiver per night and thought it was brilliant.
I pay £20 per night these days to the girl next door, you don't need a nanny to babysit just somebody who can use a phone in an emergency

pinkchick1 Sun 25-Nov-12 09:03:44

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minderjinx Sun 25-Nov-12 09:20:06

I understand your concerns Pinkchick, but to be fair it is obvious that a lot of people would use a local teenager or somebody advertising in the local newsagent, with no background checks or references and no first aid training or other qualifications, so you could argue that limited checks by Sitters are a step up from that. Also the new(ish) enhanced CRBs don't go out of date - they are on a central system and can be revoked or whatever the correct term is if there are subsequent offences or even concerns.

Mosman Sun 25-Nov-12 09:32:02

C r b's are out of date the next day and to be honest they only tell me the person hasn't been caught yet if they are of a mind to be a criminal.
I think you have to go with your instincts and you can tell a lot by getting the sitter arrive half an hour before you leave the house and watch them with the children. I'd also never leave a non verbal child with anyone I didn't know.

pinkchick1 Sun 25-Nov-12 09:38:47

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pinkchick1 Sun 25-Nov-12 09:50:22

@ minderjinx, I would happily use an individual from an advert or from childcare.co.uk or nannyjob.co.uk. I would simply vet them myself and as they were my own sitter, I can pay them to spend time with my children before I leave, I actually have 2 regular babysitters, I vetted them both myself, they both have written references, first aid, up to date CRB checks. I have seen written references and taken verbal references, I also have looked at all their qualifications and experience myself.

minderjinx Sun 25-Nov-12 12:06:28

I'm not disagreeing that a parent would be wise to make their own checks. Nor am I suggesting that Sitters is the way to go for most parents, but I do think some level of checking is better than none, and generally speaking that using a childcare practitioner is better than a local teenager or other unqualified and inexperienced individual. I think clarifying that the company offers an introduction service rather than a recruitment service is a useful distinction.

minderjinx Sun 25-Nov-12 12:09:55

I also don't think anyone should be unduly complacent about using a nanny agency either - there are some disreputable and negligent ones out there as many nannies and parents on here have testified.

pinkchick1 Sun 25-Nov-12 12:25:35

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scrablet Sun 25-Nov-12 12:51:04

Just like to add, however, despite being a qualified, certified, working teacher, Sitters did ask me for NEW CRB check.(Only last year) and really, how often do you want these checks done? They cost a lot (I had to cover the cost) and they really are only valid on day they are issued...like an MOT [sad}

pinkchick1 Sun 25-Nov-12 13:15:18

@ scrablet, you are self employed working for sitters, you are bound under self employment law to pay for everything and then put it threw your tax return at the end of the year. You CRB should be free if you do this, it would be classed as income and lower your tax, also you can put petrol costs threw to and from the sit as that lowers your tax also. If you ask inland revenue about the benefit side, if you have another job, say a nanny, you can then be part employed and part self employed.

BackforGood Sun 25-Nov-12 13:20:20

Think being, most of the (qualified in childcare up to Level 3) girls who work through the day in day nurseries, are doing so for £6.19 an hour, to look after up to 8 pre-school children (3 if they are all babies, or 4 if inbetween) all day, whilst they are all awake and active.
I'd have thought your average 2 - 3 child household, where mostly the children are likely to be asleep for most of the time, would be pretty easy in comparison. No Learning Journals to write or obeservations to do either smile.
If they were not planning to go out otherwise, then sitting on someone else's sofa watching a bit of TV, or reading or whatever rather than their own, is easy money for them. When I was paying babysitters (always local teens), then I'd round up a bit or add some on top if they'd had to do extra.... never happened to me, but as someone said above, if a child had been sick...., but generally it's a minimum wage job.
Not sure why you are protesting about it so much OP - if you don't want the work, then don't do it. Simples.

pinkchick1 Sun 25-Nov-12 13:32:41

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BackforGood Sun 25-Nov-12 13:47:20

Sorry Pink - I was replying to the OP, not you. Indded, I x-posted with you smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 25-Nov-12 14:30:52

pink - I am a bit hmm about CRB checks, because they only tell you about that person up to the current date.

I pay extra for a new babysitter through sitters to be here for half an hour before we go out so that I can make sure the boys are comfortable with them, and that I feel comfortable leaving them with them.
I would rather use sitters than employ a local teenager with no experience of looking after preschoolers.

I think you are over thinking it with your scaremongering really. Of course I would approach hiring a nanny or choosing a childminder in a different way, because I would want them to provide a nurturing, educational environment for my child, and they would be spending a lot of time with them.
Half an hour before bedtime to read a few stories and get them a drink of water if they wake up is not the same at all.

Tanith Sun 25-Nov-12 19:53:22

Someone I know still works for Sitters. She stopped childminding when Birth to 3 (2003/4?) came out and hasn't worked in childcare since.
No-one has bothered to check.

cookielove Sun 25-Nov-12 21:18:46

pink actually a new crb check is being introduce where employees can be checked on more regularly it is essentially going online, i think it is already up and running so anyone applying for a crb check now will go on to the new system and then everyone else will have to re apply for their crb when requested by employers, so the idea is that employers check the crb yearly to keep themselves up to date, does that make sense as my brain doesn't appear to be engaging any more blush

pinkchick1 Mon 26-Nov-12 10:19:07

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fraktion Mon 26-Nov-12 10:19:42

The DBS is coming in next month but I don't think the constant update part is operational yet.

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