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Londoners, how much do you pay your live-out nanny? Help me decide if I should give our nanny a raise.

(71 Posts)
AubergineKenobi Thu 03-May-12 11:04:39

How much do you pay your London nanny net (or gross if you know that figure)? How much have you raised their salary each year? Do you decalre every penny you pay them?

It would be really helpful to know how other London nanny employers pay their nannies as ours is asking for a significant raise and we do not think we can afford it. We might have to say no but there is no point in doing that if all other nannies are going to ask the same.

Our nanny is live-out. She works 8.30am to 6.30pm Mon - Thurs. She has 9 weeks paid leave each year (a big perk I would think, although all leave is in school holidays). We have two children, the youngest is in nursery 9-12 each day so the nanny has three hours when she is paid but does not have a lot to do (cleaning the childrens' rooms etc but nothing else).

When she started with us just under 3 years ago we agreed £10 per hour net and we decalred it all and paid her tax and NI. At her two annual reviews since then we have given her £200 bonus and offered her £15 more a week (not declared, so she now gets £30 a week cash-in-hand). This means she gets just under £11 an hour net. She has asked for a raise to £12 an hour.

Is she asking too much? Her job is actually easier now due to youngest going to morning nursery. Could we easily find another nanny eager to work £10 an hour net? Or have nanny's salaries risen considerable in the last 3 years (DH and I have been on a pay freeze since 2009!).

BornToShopForcedToWork Thu 03-May-12 11:40:10

I would start declaring the £30 that she gets cash in hand...

Whirliwig72 Thu 03-May-12 11:45:27

What you are currently paying her sounds incredibly generous to me ESP with such a lot of paid holiday. I think it depends how good she is and what you can afford. If you can afford to go to £12 and she is brilliant then consider paying it but maybe insist she does extra work such as ironing, cooking or cleaning in her freer hours.

AubergineKenobi Thu 03-May-12 11:51:28

Of course I should declare it. Although I have to say that I am one of the only people I know in RL who declares the vast majority of their nanny's pay.

On MN I notice people are evangelical about declaring every penny but many parents in my area seem to take a much more relaxed attidue to tax. This creates an unlevel playing field whereby my nanny perceives me as paying less because she receives less but actually I am paying more but a big chunck goes to the tax man.

Basially I agree I should declare it all. I probably will after the next rise. But by doing so I will be even less able to give the nanny the raise she wants.

My live out nanny is on £8.70 net ph but I wasn't sure whether you included in the £10ph net the holidays and averaged it out across all that time or not.

She works 8.30 - 5.30, has 4 weeks holiday and has a 2 year old to look after all day and a school age child to look after post school. She also does some cleaning for me.

I think your nanny is having a laugh, tbh.

AubergineKenobi Thu 03-May-12 12:05:21

She is paid for all her holidays. Full pay. So there is no averaging to be done.

Do you both live in london Margo and Whirli? If so it is so refreshing to hear I am actually paying generously.

Iggly Thu 03-May-12 12:08:43

Blimey she's well paid!

We declare almost all of ours - except for the odd bit of change for parking/petrol. I don't keep track!
We pay roughly £8.30 net, have a 2 year old and she gets the min holiday although to be honest we give her more than that if she needs it. Works 8-6 and only cleans for ds related stuff.

Karoleann Thu 03-May-12 12:08:54

In nw6 London, I pay £10/hour net my nanny looks after three children, although she doesn't have them all all of the time.

I don't declare babysitting money.

I think your nanny is exceptionally well paid, especially with 9 weeks Paid holiday!

I would be saying no to a pay rise.

she is well paid - 9 weeks paid leave is an enormous perk and she's pretty lucky. We live in London - our nanny has been with us for just under 6 years, looks after DS1 who is at school and DS2 who is at home and her pay works out as £8.50 an hour net. She works 7.30 to 7, 4 weeks holiday a year (though in practice we give her 5). We pay cash in hand for ad hoc babysitting and the occasional discretionary bonus but otherwise everythign is put through the pay roll and taxed.

Yes we are in central London. Your nanny is very well paid! Can't believe she wants more given all those holidays.

Is she English? I found English nannies had inflated expecations of their role and wanted to be doing heuristic play but turned their noses up at loading the dishwasher. If I was a SAHM I would not be doing heuristic play (whatever that is) but would be loading the dishwasher as and when.

My very wealthy friends pay a lot more for their nanny but they want that sort of nanny (don't know why). I wanted a lovely lady at home to care for my kids and keep the home fires burning and that's what I've got. I wouldn't rely on her to, I don't know, tackle a complaint at school or take the DCs to the doctor if I needed to fight for treatment - she's not that sort of person. But she is absolutely lovely and sweet and it works for us. I'm actually hoping to keep her when my son goes to full time school - not sure how we'll work it but somehow.

and yes I declare everything and agree with you that most don't, understandably.

MrTumblesCrackWhore Thu 03-May-12 12:30:36

We pay our live our nanny £8 net an hour to look after my nearly 3 yr old ds - or my 8 month dd (but never together). I'm going back to work next month and she will start looking after both of them. We have agreed we will pay her £10 an hour net. DS will be starting at nursery pre-school in the mornings but she will have both of them together for half of the days she looks after them.

I think £10 an hour is about right for where we live (SW London) but I know friends on other parts of the country think I'm mad for paying this. My cleaner is paid the same, and I know which job I think is harder.

catepilarr Thu 03-May-12 12:36:10

Family I worked for paid their live out nanny £10/hr GROSS, that is 2011 in SW15. That was apparently the norm in the area, eventhough considered expensive.
Did you agree the salary in gross or net? If you agreed it in net /which is not a good idea as you can read elswhere on MN/ perhaps she might not fully realise that her salary is the gross figure? Maybe if she had her gross figures if would make her feel she is earning more? Just a thought.

MrTumblesCrackWhore Thu 03-May-12 12:38:00

PS: Our agreement is that she doesn't get paid for holiday but there are lots of occasions where she can start late/finish early or not come at all depending on the working hours of me/dh.

Ours is a nanny and cleaner in one and we pay her £10 an hour gross, she is registered as self-employed so she then needs to declare her income and pay her tax.

BornToShopForcedToWork Thu 03-May-12 12:56:19

MrTumbles
As an employer your nanny is entitled to paid holidays.

nbee84 Thu 03-May-12 13:30:22

MrTumble - that's a nice pay rise, going from £8-£10 ph net, but your nanny is missing out on £2,800 a year that she is legally entitled to for 5.6 weeks paid holiday.

nbee84 Thu 03-May-12 13:31:07

* sorry, should have said - presuming a 50 hour week

Novstar Thu 03-May-12 14:14:08

I think it's generous pay. I pay mine £13 gross (it was £12 gross before she got Ofsted reg) which works out about £11.5 net, but then she only does 21 hours a week and she is available for the odd extra hours and full holidays, which is valuable to us.

If you're paying 40 hours a week, plus 9 weeks paid leave, then I think you will have no problems in finding someone happy with 10 hour net. You don't particularly sound happy with your nanny... is pay the only issue?

Is she a native English speaker? I think they tend to want more than non-native speakers, I guess because some people would value that and pay more for it.

I think there are lots of nannies on here hence strict tones against tax evasion. In real life, of the 15 or so employers I've known, only 3 (including me) pay tax, NI and for holidays, which is shameful - although I have also known some nannies to ask for cash in hand so that they can continue to receive their benefits.

AubergineKenobi Thu 03-May-12 14:22:11

Yes she is a native english speaker. And she has quite a few years experience so that probably adds to the amount she can charge. She is a good nanny. The children adore her. Her and I have had our moments when we have disagreed (mainly about money and about giving the children sweets) but generally we get on well. She is good about things like emptying the dishwasher and leaving the place pretty tidy.

I am genuinely confused about why she thinkgs £12 net is the going rate but this thread suggests it really is not. I do not think she is trying it on, she really believes that is the amount most nannies are paid.

Novstar Thu 03-May-12 14:31:45

FWIW I think actual "going rate" for a nanny is difficult to find out because
(a) agencies tend to inflate, because their fees are usually tied to nannies' earnings;
(b) many nannies don't understand gross/net and so pass on inaccurate information about their actual earnings to other nannies;
(c) there is a periodic survey by nannytax on nanny pay, but not all employers use payroll agencies in the first place so the figures tend to be skewed to the higher earners;
(d) it's in your nanny's interest to claim that everyone else is on a higher rate; and
(e) many employers don't like to admit they are not paying tax, so they give out incorrect information about how much they pay.

EldonAve Thu 03-May-12 14:36:42

Last year I was paying £10 phr net (SW London)
I don't think salaries have risen so I think she's trying it on

MrTumblesCrackWhore Thu 03-May-12 16:19:48

born and nbee yes I know but that's what she said she wanted, not what we decreed. She works mainly at another place and has holiday pay there but because I have helped support her two dcs in the evenings for various exams for no pay, that is what she wanted.

loopeylu Thu 03-May-12 16:54:01

That is a staggering amount to pay when 9 weeks hol are paid!! Stick to your guns or look elsewhere. There are plenty of truly excellent nannies out there who won't take the p*ss (and I include English nannies in that too).

mamacherry Thu 03-May-12 17:10:24

We pay our nanny £ 9.50 an hour net plus her tax and Ni and 6 weeks paid holidays. We live in NE London. We interviewed 6 months ago and all the candidates asked for £10 per hour bar none. Some wanted tax paid some didnt. We managed to negotiate 9.50 as she only looks after our 1 year old all day and school runs plus holiday cover for 7 year old. She works 8 to 6 three days. She is lovely with the kids and will keep things reasonably tidy. I decided I would rather have a lovely intelligent person who I trust and get on with than someone who would clean the cooker! If you get both o think you are very lucky. I think £12 is pushing it only because as everyone has said the going rate is less. Perhaps she thinks you will pay more rather than disrupt your kids care, which is a bit off? Do you like her? Are there other problems?

surpriseme Thu 03-May-12 20:16:24

10nph is going rate in london so I think she is being very cheeky

longjane Thu 03-May-12 20:34:27

I think the questions here is
Do you want to keep your nanny?
Can you afford to pay her what she is asking?
If the answer is no to either question you should start looking for a new nanny as you are going to have one piss off/looking for a new job nanny on your hands .
If is the just that you can afford and you want to keep nanny you going to have a very frank talk with her.

I think u are paying a good wage. On a net basis we pay 10.50/hr for 52.5 hrs a week for 3 boys under 5. That's about £15 hour gross. Our nanny has 25 years experience and is ultra reliable. She will likely get 2 extra weeks paid holiday this year but she prefers to do some free babysitting for us to make up for some of it (5 evenings).
We are Kensington and pay top end.
If you really love your nanny and don't want her to leave but she will leave without a pay rise she is being a bit cheeky asking for a 20 pct rise partic as she gets so much paid leave. You could offer a rise but ask her to work some of the usual leave. Did u get a 20pct rise? Where does she think u can magic it from? There are lots of lovely experienced nannies who would love your job!

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 04-May-12 19:49:07

You are Paying a good wage and over the top for holidays

So decide if you can and want to pay more or say no and poss get a new nanny

AubergineKenobi Sat 05-May-12 09:04:52

Thanks everyone. I had 'the chat' with the nanny last night & I explained we can't afford any more money. She said she understood but might have to look elsewhere. I said we would be very sad to lose her but she has to do what she has to do.

We will see what happens. If this thread is right she is unliekly to find a better paid job & I know age adores our girls so maybe we will be lucky and not lose her. If she does go I think we may explore the au pair plus route and start saving for school fees!

thomasbodley Sat 05-May-12 09:36:05

I've literally never heard of 9 weeks' paid holiday a year, and £10 net per hour is well accepted as the going rate. I know this and don't even have kids of my own!

I do agree with others that your nanny's perceptions may be coloured by other nannies being paid cash in hand - amazing how holier-than-thou MNs are about this, as this is absolutely NOT the norm amongst my friends. Even my mates who are lawyers and accountants and would lose their practice certs if caught out by HMRC have told me they've often been tempted to go down this road.

You may find nothing much happens despite her threats. In my circle of friends, several parents are losing jobs, or losing work if self-employed, and going down the au pair or nannyshare route instead. I also know two nannies who are currently 'resting', one in SW11 and one in W6. One of them is ex public school and ex Norland, the kind of girl who used to get snapped up by rich Americans and Arabs. She's working behind the bar at our local for the moment.

Fraktal Sat 05-May-12 14:26:13

I think the holier than thou perspective comes a) from parents who are paying the full whack and get pissed off that other people don't, b) from nannies who are fed up about employers not wanting to deduct their tax and NI from wages which means they end up not getting things like SMP, c) from the fact the treasury loses an estimated £57m a year from nannies being paid cash in hand and when the country is in dire straits "every little helps" to quote a well known supermarket!

There's actually a petition to stop this net pay culture here as part of a big campaign that is being launched next week.

bbcessex Sat 05-May-12 17:35:51

I've had two nannies who have become pregnant and been eligible for SMP..

I can't imagine how awful that would have been if they'd have found out they weren't eligible because I hadn't been paying tax & NI for them. shock

kelpie6333 Sat 05-May-12 17:55:33

We had a nannyshare and fell out with the other family when they refused to pay their share of our nanny's tax bill! In the end they reluctantly paid but now blank us in the playground and at social events. Pathetic!

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 05-May-12 18:00:41

thomas i have had 10/11 weeks holiday a year for the past 5 years as parents liked to spend time with their dc, so i had every half term off (3) often 2 weeks at easter and xmas (4) plus my 2 weeks and their 2 weeks and yes i got paid in full and time off - tho must admit this is rare

op - so basically you are waiting to see if your nanny finds a better paid job then yours - tbh i would seriously think bout finding a new nanny now

kelpie6333 Sat 05-May-12 20:16:55

Oh and we paid our nanny £12p/h gross between two families in the nannyshare (in SW London) but we only declared 2 of the 4 days she worked for us.

MrAnchovy Sat 05-May-12 20:39:49

*I've had two nannies who have become pregnant and been eligible for SMP..

I can't imagine how awful that would have been if they'd have found out they weren't eligible because I hadn't been paying tax & NI for them. shock*

SMP is not a state benefit and eligibility does not depend on the payment of National Insurance. If you illegally pay someone outside PAYE and they are become pregnant you will have to pay all the back tax and NI, probably a penalty of up to £3,000 and also the SMP!

AubergineKenobi Sun 06-May-12 08:14:20

Just to clarify it's only £30 a week that I don't declare, there is over £400 a week that I do declare.

If the Treasury has a huge clampdown on nanny tax I genuinely wonder how many families will choose other childcare due to prohibitive costs.

Fraktal Sun 06-May-12 08:38:32

I imagine that the nanny market will moderate slightly and fewer will be demanding 20% pay rises!

Mrskbpw Sun 06-May-12 08:47:17

I don't have a nanny but I have friends who do and NONE of them pay tax on their full salary. My brother's girlfriend is Canadian and a nanny and when her working visa ran out she found a job working for a family (illegally, obviously!) cash in hand. The dad was a barrister specialising in immigration!

Seems to be far easier to fiddle your childcare costs than claim benefits you're not entitled to and absolutely the treasury should clamp down on it.

FaceCrack Sun 06-May-12 08:53:14

We are west London.
We pay 8ph net when she has DD. 12 hours a week she also has a friends baby and between us we pay 12ph net.

Our nanny isn't British. She used to be our cleaner and has no childcare experience which is why she has a lower rate of pay. She does 7.30-6.30 3 days a week and she has 5 weeks paid hol plus bank holidays on top. Mostly she works slightly under the hours we pay her for, but we need the flexibility.

I think your nanny is taking the mick to be honest. 9 weeks hol a year! Amazing, she's very lucky!

FionaSR Sun 06-May-12 17:36:57

I recruited a new nanny 6 months ago and pay 450 net a week for 52 hours and standard leave of 4 weeks plus public hols.
I wast told by the agency that rates have gone down in the current economic climate!
Don't know about you but my take home pay has been pretty static too.
We do give early finishes and extra leave on ad hoc basis.

mossity Mon 07-May-12 10:59:58

I'm going back 10 yrs but I was a nanny in London. I had 3 kids. 1 at nursery and 2 at school. I started at 11.45 picking up youngest from nursery but did work till 7-30 ! I did no chores as an au pair was also employed. My net salary was £350 a week with 8 weeks paid holiday!!! The family I worked for we're very wealthy... In the property business! I also had the opportunity to travel abroad with them all expenses paid plus normal salary but would only have the children a few hours a day x

Yummymummy2301 Mon 07-May-12 12:30:03

We have our nanny through a company , who found her for us , set up interview etc ( no admin/finders fee) and then the nannies wages go through their payroll system , so they take our money every month after invoicing us and then they pay her wages into her bank every month which works out really well for us , we pay £11.50 ph for her, £9.50 for evening work and a flat rate of £40 for an overnight stay (when the kids are asleep till waking up at 7am), it may seem a little more expensive than on average a lot of you are paying however we don’t have to worry about tax and NI , sick pay, holiday pay, which is a massive relieve she’s on a 0 hours contract which is handy to have just incase , on average we giver her between 25-35 how but to know if we had a last minute holiday where she wasn’t able to come with us we don’t have to worry about her wages!

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 07-May-12 13:21:51

yummymummy tbh what you are doing sounds dodgy and possibly illegal -you are her employer and should be paying tax and ni on her wages - she is legally entitled to holiday and ssp

MrAnchovy Mon 07-May-12 23:30:37

No Blondes, the arrangement Yummymummy2301 is talking about can be done perfectly legally and is very common in other sections of the worforce - the nanny is an 'agency worker' and not an employee.

Agency workers have most, but not all, of the rights of employees - more details on DirectGov if you are interested. Specifically, they are entitled to paid holiday and SSP which are paid by the agency and the rate that the 'engager' (i.e. the parent(s)) pays to the agency is higher than the rate the agency pays the worker to cover this.

nannynick Tue 08-May-12 06:57:55

It is the same as nursery temping. Nursery nurse is paid by the agency. The nursery is invoiced a much higher amount by the agency.
For a temp nanny, I can see that it makes more sense doing it this way, as the agency run the PAYE scheme.
MrAnchovy - is there any limit to how long such an agreement could last? For example, is there any reason why say a nanny working 40 hours a week for a single family could not have pay done in this way?

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 08-May-12 09:22:14

really mr a?? sounds so weird to me - always thought a nanny could only be employed by a family

apologizes yummmummy

thomasbodley Tue 08-May-12 10:18:37

I'm not remotely surprised about the barrister's nanny, Mrskbpw. I suspect a fair few of my own barrister friends are paying cash in hand for "babysitting". It is one of the great urban myths that barristers are loaded; cashflow problems are a nightmare even for those with a decade's call.

I also know for a fact that many of my self-employed friends have "runners" on the payroll (ie tax-deductible members of staff) whose duties, in practice, are almost wholly domestic and childcare.

Grey economy, innit. As Aubergine says, if people had to declare these, even the six figure households are going to look elsewhere for childcare and cleaners.

MrAnchovy Tue 08-May-12 20:34:29

Nick there is no restriction on the length of time a person may be engaged as an agency worker, but for 2 reasons these arrangements are often short-term:

1. One of the key benefits of using an agency worker is flexibility - in particular there is no entitlement to redundancy pay. If you don't need the flexibility there is little need to pay the premium

2. People often take agency work (as opposed to genuine temporary work) only when they cannot find an employed role. This is partly because the rates tend to be lower than an employer would pay - bear in mind that 12.07% comes off the rate for holiday pay, and another 13.8% for employers NI so even before allowing for overheads and profit for the agency plus some risk allowance for maternity pay, bad debts etc. that £11.50ph has become £9ph gross.

ChrissieLC Wed 09-May-12 16:19:01

OMG nannys around here are paid £6.5 to £7.5 net per hour! Get a nanny from a different area! (my area is only 25 mins train from london!! herts/beds)

She is asking for too much. The more you give the more some people take. Most peoples salarays are going down, not up. There are 8 nannys to every 1 job here, people that would leap at the opportunity of being paid £10 nph. Declare what you do pay her and make sure she realises how lucky she is!

We pay £460 gross per week for a 40 hour week in C/SE London (8-6 Mon-Thurs), although in fact she works about 36 hours a week because she usually gets to leave early. Sole charge of a 17mo. We just increased that from £440. That equates to about £360 net for her, so £9-10 net. We also pay for her monthly travelcard, which is £112. She gets 5 weeks' paid holiday. We give her occasional bonuses (a week's pay at Christmas, £150 on the anniversary of starting work) and I think generally are pretty good employers.
Your nanny sounds hard work!

zadigeist Fri 11-May-12 19:13:15

She's asking too much. Bit of a princess. Perhaps she knows a few nannies who work for very rich e.g. Russian families who I understand pay very high but against the normal London rate, she is having a laugh. Wish her well with her looking elsewhere, I'd be tempted to do the same!

cocorosie Sat 15-Sep-12 09:21:41

You are paying your nanny far too much! Only part time nannies or nannies in very demanding positions with 3 months traveling with the family earn higher than £10 net. The holidays you offer are a major perk too. Sometimes nannies think that you can't live without them so they take advantage of this fact.

Our nanny has been with us 2 years, we pay her market rate, 8am to 6:30pm Monday to Friday £8.50 net. When our 2nd started Montessori we negotiated that she cooks our dinner and does all the laundry, takes out rubbish and walks the dog.

A friend of ours pays their French nanny £400 net live out for 7:30 to 7:30 m-f. They were trying cut her pay after 3 years because their child was going to nursery mornings. This is not nice though. It's important to treat the people who look after our children with respect.

If you call some agencies and ask them if they could find you someone with all taxes paid and £9 net for a full time pure nanny position and 9 weeks paid holiday they will send you many candidates. Your nanny would struggle to find a position with a nice family paying what you are paying. Try a few agencies www.littleoneslondon.co.uk www.edennannies.co.uk www.imperialnanies.co.uk

You can't pay more than you can afford and you don't have too. If you are a nice, caring family you should have a nanny who values this.

Victoria2002 Sat 15-Sep-12 09:42:49

I started on £10ph and got £10.50 after a year, plus normally a gift equal to a weeks pay each Xmas...I do think a nanny should receive an increase each year in principle (so should you of course). You could easily replace her for £10ph, but then you'd loose the continuity etc of your valued employee.

Victoria2002 Sat 15-Sep-12 09:45:17

Shoulda said "net"

callaird Sat 15-Sep-12 10:02:47

I have been a nanny for 26 years. I have always had my entire tax and national insurance paid by my employers. I have never been asked to work 'cash in hand'! I am really surprised so many do!

Be aware that if you are found out, you will have to pay back the entire amount you owe, plus a fine of around £3000 and they will check into every penny you have paid your nanny by cheque or bank transfer, for example, my kitty money for this month was £600, paid by bank transfer from my employer, if I didn't keep records of this, they would assume it was for over time or a bonus and want tax paid on it!! Around £150, over 12 months £1800 to find. (My kitty money isn't always this high!)

I have, however, not always declared babysitting money. Not saying it is right!

HolyParalympicGoldBatman Sat 15-Sep-12 14:56:41

This is an old thread from a few months back, hopefully the OP has made her decision now!

kazza73 Sun 16-Sep-12 03:16:57

Paid more than she deserved in my opinion. Ok she might be a modern Mary Poppins, but good nanny jobs with lovely families are very scarce so I think she should realise how lucky she is & concentrate on the job she 's paid to do.

NotAChocolateRaisin Sun 16-Sep-12 12:11:43

Your Nanny is EXTREMELY well paid - from my calculations she is recieving £530 net a week. The norm is £350-400 (live in) and thats with just the standard 3-4 weeks holiday.
I'm sorry but she seems to be taking the p*ss asking for a raise. Especially a "significant" one!

NotAChocolateRaisin Sun 16-Sep-12 12:12:32

sorry, and £400-£450 i believe is the high normal for live out

Giosveltina Sun 16-Sep-12 18:00:47

We live in North London (zone 3) and have paid our nanny 9.50 net per hour this year. She does 40 hours, has unlimited paid sickness leave and 4 weeks paid holidays. All declared and taxes fully paid.
She has now asked for an increase to £10 net per hour, which we agreed. We have interviewed a lot of people and out of many only 2 asked above £10 net per hour (both 40+ years old, with many years of experience and British). Hope this helps.

Sunny25 Tue 11-Jun-13 00:37:04

I work for 2 families, it's not a nanny share. My main family pay me £11.50 net, plus bonuses. My other family pay me £14.50 net, but no bonuses. They all pay my taxes, I receive payslips with all the details. I have not had to ask for pay a raise yet, they usually offer one before I get there. I have worked for them for 4-5 yrs now. The reason why I get paid £14.50net with my second family is due to the arrival of baby number 3, I also sometimes care for Dads son from previous marriage. Nursery duties for both families.

A new nanny would probably be cheaper then a nanny you've had for years. If I were to start a new job I would go for £11net hr, £12net hr if I could get it.

Unlike many jobs nannies regularly tell each other how much they get paid, this my be the source of all your/her problem. Or maybe she feels she is taking on to many responsibility in the home then the norm.

I work in SW London.

ghislaine Tue 11-Jun-13 11:42:24

Pay relativities aside, the key question for me is why your nanny thinks she is entitled to such a big pay rise (approx 10%)? That is a lot when her duties have actually lessened. It's well over the rate of inflation and a surprising request when many people are experiencing pay freezes. Has she become better qualified? Is she proposing to do more housework? She sounds out of touch. I am planning to offer our nanny a pay rise soon, but more in the region of 5% and that is because there will soon be 2 children in our family.

We recruited our nany through an agency about a year ago (SE London). We pay ours £10 p/h gross (any pay tax, NI, SSP etc) but we received a lot of cvs for nannies around the 5-8 year experience mark whose agency-recommended pay rate was £8-£9 gross p/h. I find it ridiculous that all nannies should expect to receive the same pay - it is a market, like any other, and the pay rate should depend on market conditions.

nannyE Tue 11-Jun-13 13:16:40

She is payed waaay to much! How she found you?I want a boss like you to! She is lucky to have you. For that money I'll do much more extra...cooking, cleaning, ironing,..I don't get that amount of money and my holidays aren't payd plus i do lots of cooking/cleaning/ironing for baby and family and I get way les then her...

HappyAsEyeAm Tue 11-Jun-13 20:44:18

Zombie thread

childcarehell Wed 12-Jun-13 10:12:48

£9.50 p/h gross, maximum we can afford but sweetened with 7.5 weeks holiday (we're teachers)

ghislaine Wed 12-Jun-13 11:54:13

But still a useful thread. It's good for parents and nannies alike to share their experiences of pay and conditions in the current climate. Otherwise the "all nannies in London get £10 p/h net" juggernaut just rolls on and on....

I love to know what the OP ended up doing though!

Wickedgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 12:59:51

I am a nanny and I too have always had all of my tax and NI declared and paid. I have over 20 experience and currently on £12 net per hour, nursery duties only. I get the standard 5.6 weeks holiday a year.

TeamSouthfields Wed 12-Jun-13 14:35:02

Normal average London nanny wages are £10ph net...

I look after four children.. 13 month old, 4 year old and two 6 year olds..
In skool holidays as well

I get 6 weeks holiday..

I am paid £11 net ...

Ur nanny is taking the mickey!!!

ghislaine Wed 12-Jun-13 15:25:56

"Average" is surely different from "all"...

MissStrawberry Fri 14-Jun-13 19:03:07

OP what did you end up doing?

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