Forceps or CS?

(60 Posts)
ChicaT Mon 04-Feb-13 15:20:09

I have a heart condition and have been told that I won't be allowed to push for more than 20 mins when giving birth...this is my first baby, he's quite large, and I don't think there is any way I'll be able to push him out in 20 mins! They would then use forceps to remove him, which while it can cause internal tearing to me and bruising to him, I'm still being told is preferable to a CS due to elevated blood clot risk. I would be put on epidural very early on which can slow labour down, and as I would have been on it for such a long time by the time it comes to push, I may not be able to push at all! I've also been offered a CS if I want one. What are your experiences with forceps? Hideous? Do-able? Would you go VB it if you knew in advance forceps would be used? TBH a CS is seeming a lot simpler and calmer!

CabbageLooking Mon 04-Feb-13 15:25:11

This is a really personal decision and I can only offer you my own experience. I had a forceps delivery. It was really difficult and I was quite battered afterward. My DS seems to have a slightly squished head as a result and it was suggested that failure to breastfeed was due to the use of forceps. This may of course be speculative bollocks but I can tell you that 7 months on, I still wince a bit during sex. Having said this, it doesn't mean that this would be your experience; they might whip him/her out in seconds and you could be absolutely fine. I would opt for the CS given the choice.

FirstTimeForEverything Mon 04-Feb-13 15:28:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

loveroflife Mon 04-Feb-13 15:38:01

It's also worth considering if they can't get the baby out with the forceps out, you will have to have an emcs anyway.

I would have an elcs to avoid that trauma, as apparently an elcs is a lot calmer than emcs and a different experience. Had an emcs with ds and was very manic and stressful. Need to consider whether to have an elcs or a vbac with dc2, so can understand your predicament.

Have you spoken to consultant/midwife about your choices? 20mins is a staggeringly small amount of time for them to expect you to deliver your first born, I'm surprised they are still telling you this is your preferable choice.....

MerylStrop Mon 04-Feb-13 15:40:40

Were those my options, I would have a elcs, without a shadow of a doubt.

duchesse Mon 04-Feb-13 15:48:34

ELCS any time. I know too many people with lasting trauma to their undercarriage from forceps. You have to weigh up the blood clot thing as well though. Hoping your little one surprises you with a 30mn labour. Good luck, whatever you decide.

Wereonourway Mon 04-Feb-13 15:53:24

I had a horrific forceps delivery. Ds was battered and bruised beyond belief. I suffer from sciatica, huge episiotomy and damaged coccyx.
Wrong forceps were also used as ds was back to back. And he was only 5lb 10oz at 6 weeks prem.

Although we are both great now I'd give anything for a calmer birth, even a cs.

Also I was told to push as they used forceps so you would still be required to push.

NoMoreWineForMeThen Mon 04-Feb-13 15:56:40

I've had both and, based on my personal experience, I would go for ELCS every time. I won't give you the graphic detail but honestly, EMCS was a much less traumatic experience.

MrsHoarder Mon 04-Feb-13 16:02:24

Speak to your consultant and ask what you chances are of getting the baby out without forceps. I'd go for an ELCS above forceps any day of the week, the forceps used on DS (who was nearly out after an hour of pushing) were brutal.

Teladi Mon 04-Feb-13 16:09:33

I had forceps and then a post partum haemorrhage. It wasn't nice and it took my episiotomy a long time to heal afterwards. DD's head was very bruised and she wouldn't feed. She never learned and I do wonder that we might have been more successful with that if I had had a CS, even though it is supposed to be a bit more difficult to get them to feed if you have a CS.

Overall, I am not sure in my situation if it was preferable to an eventual CS but I think in your position, I would have a CS... as another poster mentioned, elCS should be a more calm experience. We had prepared for an emCS, if baby would not be delivered using forceps. I found it quite scary and weird trying to push while under spinal block and it was all a bit tense really.

I had forceps for my second child and vowed never again. Needed cuts and loads of stitches and could hardly walk for a fortnight. Having my 3rd they said i needed forceps and I was adamant that I would rather a CS but just at the last minute he came out himself smile. I would advise CS.

laluna Mon 04-Feb-13 20:23:30

It is so difficult to predict an outcome. With an epidural (any birth really) if the second stage is managed so that the baby is as low as possible before pushing is commenced this can minimise the length of time involved. If the baby is optimally positioned if is possible for the pushing stage to be less than half an hour. I note your heart condition but 20 mins seems so arbitrary without monitoring your vitals/progress etc.

And why forceps? Has anyone mentioned a ventouse? They are generally less traumatic. Not sure why an early epidural is indicated as this is less likely to maximise the chance of normal birth. You mention blood clot risk - is this something that is significant in your history to make an epidural risky? Don't get why they are posing the risk of an emcs for thrombosis but advocating an elective one??

Just my thoughts. Have you thought about having a chat with a Supervisor of Midwives? Hope you come to a decision without too much stress.

Figgygal Mon 04-Feb-13 20:26:56

I had a forceps delivery and episiotomy after epidural it was fine recovered well and quickly.

Pourquoimoi Mon 04-Feb-13 20:40:03

I had forceps followed by an emergency section under general anaesthetic. Neither were pleasant and the forceps were one if the worst feelings I've ever had but did not last long. The recovery from the section was more painful and lasted a lot longer.

The recovery from a planned section a few years later was a lot lot better in comparison.

Good luck!

Marrow Mon 04-Feb-13 20:48:13

ELCS without a doubt. I had emergency section for first child and forceps delivery for my second. I recovered from the section very quickly but two years after my forceps delivery I still have issues and can't imagine that I will ever feel normal again.

MsTimTam Mon 04-Feb-13 20:56:12

I had am emcs after a long labour with dd1, then forceps and episiotomy with spinal block in theatre with dd2. My recovery was much quicker with dd2, even after I needed anti-bs for an infection of the episiotomy.
Having said that, if I'd known I would end up having forceps, I may have chosen an elcs...
Good luck whatever you decide smile

Tranquilitybaby Mon 04-Feb-13 23:31:00

I've had two sections and would choose that than forceps any day of the week.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 04-Feb-13 23:44:59

I'd go for el lscs with that plan. They can and should give you clexane injections to combat the dvt risk.

vamosbebe Mon 04-Feb-13 23:49:43

I can only telll you about my forceps delivery for my DS, and subsequent whopping episiotomy: 14 months on and I'm still in a lot of pain and unable to do simple things (bonk, wear a tampon/mooncup, exercise, sit comfortably, walk...) and the pain of the pushing broke through the barrier of my epidural. I was one push away from emcs - in hindsight I'd have preferred that.
There's a reason DS will be an only.

Please talk everything through with midwives, doctors, gynaes etc and weigh up pros and cons for your needs.

herethereandeverywhere Tue 05-Feb-13 00:30:47

I've had a Keillands forceps delivery and (as a result of that experience!) an ELCS.

ELCS was by far the better to experience and the easier to recover from - hands down, no contest.

(I've posted my experiences lots of times on here if you want to read it search my nickname in "childbirth" - 'twas not fun.)

amazingmumof6 Tue 05-Feb-13 01:46:33

I had both and I recommend you go for ELSC in your condition and circumstances.

DS1 was a forceps delivery and the most traumatic birth out of all of 6, and the recovery time from the episiotomy was just ridiculous.

I vividly remember going for a walk when DS1 was 8 months old, but I had to cut it short coz of the pain from scar and I was in tears by the time I got home.

DS4 was ELSC due to being footling breech, so no choice there, but it was absolutely fine.
not being able to drive for weeks did my head in and the scar was sensitive for a months, but nothing as bad as the first birth.

hope this helps

amazingmumof6 Tue 05-Feb-13 01:54:03

marrow I only felt "right" again when DS2 was born (2 year gap) and I realized how much worse the 1st birth was!

The "success" of giving birth to DS2 with normal VB healed me somehow by "cancelling out" the previous trauma.

sorry OP, not hijacking! (I hope)

Lilliana Tue 05-Feb-13 02:05:50

I ended up with forceps as they thought dd was distressed. Was really scared of forceps but it was fine. Local anesthetic for episiotomy and didn't feel it. Very quick delivery and not the nicest so a bit shocked but me and dd both fine and bf well. She is now 9 weeks and i feel normal. I wouldn't worry about having forceps again if needed.

Sorry to hear that so many people have had bad experiences of forceps. I had DS seven weeks ago, he was induced and I needed an epidural to cope with the drip. I couldn't feel when I should push and exhausted myself after an hour of trying! Ended up having a forceps delivery in theatre with a small episiotomy (four stitches). It's all healed really well and was nowhere near as horrendous as I thought it might be.

amazingmumof6 Tue 05-Feb-13 03:16:57

liliana and coffeecream congrats to both of you, and really glad you had good experiences!

may I suggests that after a forceps delivery it is a good idea to have a cranial osteopathy session for baby, just to make sure everything is ok.
especially if baby seems to cry a lot, a little gentle manipulation of the plates can settle things into place.

DS1 had a nasty bruise on his head from where he was stuck before and during 3 hours of pushing and another on his face from the forceps, and I'm so glad a had him checked over, my osteopath (my hero!) reassured me that they did a good job at his birth as there was no damaged whatsoever on he cranium or the facial bones.

curiousgeorgie Tue 05-Feb-13 09:17:24

My friend and I had babies just a few days apart... I had a c section and after 2 days was up and walking around and visiting people, after 6 days I felt almost completely recovered and 2 weeks it was like I'd never had anything done.

My friend had forceps at the end of a long labour... A month later she was still having trouble sitting and had to use a rubber ring. She has had ongoing problems as a result.

Obviously partly down to luck but still something to consider is that while my DD was born looking pretty perfect and was very calm, her poor DS had a very bruised face, a misshapen head and was mad at the world! I believe that his birth and the headache he must've had could answer for the weeks of screaming my friend endured.

C section everytime!!!

perceptionreality Tue 05-Feb-13 09:23:24

I would have a CS for the following reasons;

less risk of damage to the baby (I've heard so many times where forceps caused damage)

no need for episiotomy (I had botched episiotomy stitches which took 6 years to heal)

3monkeys Tue 05-Feb-13 09:23:35

I had Kiellands (rotational) forceps with Ds1. It was painful but only for about 10 days, and I'm glad I didn't have a section. I went on to have 2 quick normal deliveries

choceyes Tue 05-Feb-13 09:32:03

I've not had a forceps delivary, but have had 2 c-sections. One a EMCS after a long labour and the second one an ELCS. The EMCS was traumatic after the long was traumatic, but the ELCS was wonderful and calm. I recovered very quickly and DD breastfed beautifully!
ELCS all the way!

choceyes Tue 05-Feb-13 09:32:28

meant to say EMCS after a long labour was traumatic!

WutheringTights Tue 05-Feb-13 09:35:56

I had DS 6 weeks ago with forceps (first baby), and I also had a PPH. I needed forceps after an hour of pushing because I had been in labour for a looong time and DS's heart rate was dipping. I didn't have an epidural so had a pudential block for the forceps part. DS had a small mark on his cheek but was otherwise unmarked. He didn't feed much for the first couple of days but as soon as my milk came in there was no stopping him, and he's now a beautiful feeder. I recovered well, no problems with the stitches and was shopping in John Lewis with DS in a sling 7 days later. The chap doing my delivery was very good though (a registrar). I guess it depends on who does it and how good they are.

Flisspaps Tue 05-Feb-13 09:43:43

I had forceps for both of mine.

Given the choice in advance, I'd have gone for ELCS.

MammyKaz Tue 05-Feb-13 09:47:17

For me it would be no contest - elcs. DD was a very difficult forceps birth & it was horrible for both of us. Although I've recovered fine we still have some ongoing issues with DD which I'm convinced can be linked back to forceps damage - although try to get a paed to consider that!! she was left with a big dent in Her forehead & has some gross motor skills issues that are being monitored.
Agree with cranial osteopathy, we went after birth & have started up again recently our osteo is a godsend & is helping loads.
Emotionally I hate thinking about the birth as I get so upset.
It is different for everyone but had the risks REALLY been explained clearly at the time I would have refused.
Trust your instincts. The key thing is your baby comes into this world safe & you are as whole as possible afterwards.

MolotovCocktail Tue 05-Feb-13 09:55:02

I haven't read the other posters comments as I wante to directly answer your question, OP, with individual honesty. Il read others comments afterwards.

I would choose an ELCS over a forceps VB. This is because I consider the risk factors of an ELCS to be preferable to a forceps VB. There are risk factors to both modes of delivery. However, usually the risks are calculated and predictable with an ELCS. I believe this is less so for a forceps VB. There is statistical data available (from the NICE website) that gives information about an ELCS in a first-time mum and compares this against an unassisted vaginal delivery. The data is comparable; obviously you'd need to see data on forceps deliveries and compare this with ELCS.

My personal experience is that I had a protracted labour with DD1 which resulted in an episiotomy for me and a ventouse delivery. I suffered a damaged tailbone (which, 4 years later is still painful from time-to-time). There were no complications other than that, but it took about 8 months to feel 'normal' in my vaginal and perineal areas again.

In April last year, due to my tailbone problem, I elected to have a CS. I had a very positive experience; it was a calm, happy and joyous birth smile I preferred healing from the abdominal wound to the perineal one, and would say I was back to normal after about 12 weeks.

Try and get as much info together as possible to make an informed decision, and also listen to your instincts. Go with your gut feeling - it's usually right smile Good luck.

MolotovCocktail Tue 05-Feb-13 10:00:05

Oh, and when I say 'normal after about 12 weeks', I mean feeling 100% comfortable doing housework, being able to sleep on my belly, or quickly get out of bed. I was standing up te next day, taking gentle strolls after about 1 week, short trips out after 3/4 weeks and driving again after 5 weeks.

VinegarDrinker Tue 05-Feb-13 10:06:09

I had a positive forceps delivery with episiotomy. Pretty quick recovery and no problems having sex etc.

You need to consider how many children you will want in total as part of your decision making. 3rd Caesareans onwards can be fine but can be very tricky with a much higher risk of complications.

MildDrPepperAddiction Tue 05-Feb-13 10:24:44

I've had both forceps (with third degree tear) and emcs. Neither are nice, but I think the cs was less traumatic for me and definitely so for the baby.

Good luck with your decision.

ByTheWay1 Tue 05-Feb-13 10:26:57

I had a partial failed epidural which made a CS very agonisingly traumatic to start with! recovery time was long and 3 days in hospital and I felt generally sore and slow for a month or so after.

Second was a VBAC - I had forceps due to just being so tired, small episiotomy, no tearing, up and out of hospital that day, felt bruised for 2 or 3 days - much better experience for me.

Both babies BF well. CS DD has allergies/chest infections, forceps DD does not - I will always wonder if it is due to method of birth as there is no history of allergies/chest trouble in either family.

MarshmallowFarm Tue 05-Feb-13 10:30:11

ELCS any day of the week - I had a forceps delivery and it took me 5 years to recover physically. DD had terrible colic and now has SEN, both of which some paedeatricians have suggested may have been exacerbated by the forceps.

Good luck!

JollyRedGiant Tue 05-Feb-13 10:32:51

I had a hurried forceps delivery. With no lasting damage. I had a graze afterwards which took a few weeks to heal though. I imagine it was significantly less painful than a CS recovery! I'm 5'1 with size 10 hips and had an 8lb 3 baby.

That's not to say forceps would go as smoothly for anyone else - you hear lots of horror stories.

The impact of a CS on breastfeeding was something that concerned me. Not that there is a great deal of conclusive scientific research into the effect on BF rates, especially when the section is planned. It was just an irrational concern I had.

DontmindifIdo Tue 05-Feb-13 10:33:27

I had a forceps delivery with DS. If I knew for definate I'd be doing that again, it would be CS, no question. Have been told I could have an ELCS this time round if I want, I'm still debating it but only because I'm intending to put 'no forceps' all over my notes.

Let me put it this way, only 1 woman I know who had a forceps delivery didn't have any complications afterwards caused by it (about 15 woman I know had forceps), of those who had CSs, I don't know any who had complications (around 20 woman I know who've had them, both emergancy and planned).

Narked Tue 05-Feb-13 10:38:02

CS would be safer for you and the baby unless there are specific clotting risks related to your heart condition.

atrcts Tue 05-Feb-13 15:26:28

I had forceps delivery and it was brutal. I was shoved so hard up the bed that they had to pull me back down to continue!

Baby came out with purple rings on his eyes and was cut and bruised for weeks after. He was desperate to suck constantly and I think he must've had one heck of a headache poor little mite. I took him to a baby cranial chiropractor to help realign his spine.

It twisted my pelvis so much that it hurt to stand and took 2 years to heal. I also needed Physio to help tone up the anal sphincter and although it improved, it's never been the same since.

I have a medical condition (multiple sclerosis) which studies show increase the likelihood of an assisted delivery. For this reason, and because of the MS fatigue, I want a c section next time. I'd rather repair for 6 week than 2 years!

Someone else said you have to push with forceps and that's true. I couldn't sit down for weeks after birth and had to use a rubber ring! Also had to have cautery to the episiotomy scar at 8 weeks as that had failed to heal (due to the terrible swelling which healed so slowly).

I'm not saying everyone experiences the same trauma but you can never know with forceps and with a heart condition, I am surprised you'd be offered anything other than a section.

Ushy Tue 05-Feb-13 15:50:38

ELCS every time:-) You can be lucky with a forceps and not have much damage but the reverse is also true and the potential risks like bowel incontinence, prolapse, damage to the baby's head etc I felt were never properly explained.

ByTheWay1 Tue 05-Feb-13 16:01:28

But Ushy do they explain the risks of bladder cut (more common than you think with ELCS !), cuts to the baby, wound infection, future fertility and placental problems, adhesions, rupture etc for CS birth?? You can also "be lucky" with a CS and not suffer much damage.. there are risks to both.

Flisspaps Tue 05-Feb-13 17:09:07

ByTheWay1 The potential risks of forceps were NEVER explained to me in either case - and both times there was more than enough time to do so. Everything I know about forceps has come from MN!

MadeinBelfast Tue 05-Feb-13 17:38:45

I could have written your post OP. I had fantastic medical support on a high dependency unit in the labour ward with extremely competent midwives. After being induced I was left for 12 hours for the head to descend as far as possible and then after 20 minutes pushing a consultant carried out a forceps delivery. We were both absolutely fine and I would have no qualms about trying it this way again. Obviously every birth is different but get as much advice as possible and then choose what seems to be the best option for you. Good luck!

louschmoo Tue 05-Feb-13 22:04:44

Read this with interest as I just had an appointment with consultant to discuss my impending VBAC. I was pretty keen to refuse forceps outright and move straight to CS in event of difficulties. After discussion we've agreed that I will consider low/outlet forceps, but not high forceps. I feel fairly happy with this, although am hoping it doesn't come to that and that baby just glides out!

samarcanda Wed 06-Feb-13 11:39:07

C section ABSOLUTELY! I m a strong advocate against this horrendous practice of using forceps to save money that the NHs still persists on using ... No other developed country does this from the 80s! My cousin was seriously brain damaged by a bad forceps delivery, on a wheelchair all his life! Since then I ve tried to scare away from it as many people as I can..sorry but I d rather sound horrible than being complacent. The risk of clothing is so much lower and better managed with blood thinners than the risk of a bad forceps delivery.... Also to put you completely off, try googling an image of it...

MolotovCocktail Wed 06-Feb-13 15:12:56

With the greatest respect Samarcanda, I don't think that 'scaring' women about forceps delivers is the most useful strategy when the OP is trying to make this significant decision.

Let's face it, the things that could go wrong with CS (and labour generally, for that matter) are very scary. I was 'scared' by my OB at our initial consulatation of the things than can go awry with CS. It wasn't helpful at all.

What was helpful was looking at the likely outcomes of ELCS and VB - in the OP's instance, VB with forceps.

Now is not the time for scaremongering. I agree with you that I would prefer an ELCS over a forceps VB, but that's only because I'm aware of the risks and benefits of both and prefer the outcomes of ELCS.

DontmindifIdo Wed 06-Feb-13 15:36:24

Samarcanda - you know if the baby is in a funny position, they will use forceps to get the baby out during a c section as well...

But generally OP, I'd go ELCS.

Narked Wed 06-Feb-13 15:40:27

Big difference between taking a baby out of a c-section incision and a vagina.

oscarwilde Wed 06-Feb-13 16:09:03

I've had an emcs and a vbac with forceps, minimal 2nd degree tears to perineum and she was out in one push (with forceps - quite a bit of pushing before then). In my experience the recovery from a CS was faster by quite some way. About 6 versus 12 weeks to feel "normal" and my pelvic floor is still weak. Reading the postings above it seems to be quite conclusively in favour of ELCS.
I was lucky enough to be able to consult a friend who is an obstetrics consultant and the opinion there was that multiple CS's are low risk in their eyes if you are having a normal pregnancy. By your 3rd+CS a consultant will be operating / overseeing due to risk of adhesions but before then you will in all likelihood be treated as low risk.
My friend also noted to me that there are lower instances of geriatric incontinence and other issues in later life in countries with a high instance of CS delivery. I was going for an ELCS but my DC2 had other ideas so vbac with forceps it was. shock

ByTheWay1 Wed 06-Feb-13 18:44:56

samarcanda - I could equally scare you with pictures of scarred babies cut by the surgeon's knife - there are benefits and risks to both.

I personally recovered much more quickly from a forceps delivery than from a CS, some will find the opposite. Most forceps deliveries actually turn out just fine, as do most CS deliveries..... and as someone has mentioned forceps can also be used during a CS delivery.

samarcanda Wed 06-Feb-13 20:44:09

Sorry, Don t agree, if you actually ask for hard data (we did because it was part of the legal case against the hospital for the way my cousin was treated) you will realize that the risks associated to an elcs for mother and baby are tiny compared to the ones of a forceps birth... What I find SHOCKING and i try to advocate against is that these risks are played down by almost everyone in the NHs and the risks of c sections are played up so women are not properly informed ... This allows hospitals to save loads of money without being challenged at the expense of patients. There are certainly some cases where using forceps is the safest option because labour is too far along and risky to have a c section, but these are only a ver small part. In reality forceps are used to avoid the hassle and cost of surgery.... And of course there will be positive experience and negative ones for everything...

amyboo Thu 07-Feb-13 09:44:37

I would never have forceps. They're not used at all in the hospital where I give birth (in Russels, Belgium). I'd opt for ELCS every time. Had one for DS1 (footling breech) and it was fine.

Loislane78 Fri 08-Feb-13 06:57:21

I have blood clotting issues and took Clexane injections throughout pg and afterwards. Plenty of people have Clexane/fragmin after a CS so I'd be asking the consultant about this.

ChicaT Tue 19-Feb-13 08:30:45

Goodness so many responses! Thank you everyone for your honesty, advice and support. In answer to some of your questions - I'm on Clexane 40ml daily but as you have to stop taking it 12-24 hours before birth, at the time of the birth when blood clot risk is highest it won't be have any effect during the birth itself. It's not possible to take Clexane during vb or cs birth because of the risk of losing too much blood. I wouldn't be allowed to push for more than 20 mins, and would be given the epidural so early to reduce stress from pain, and to reduce strain on my heart. I have a very good consultant, and I'm going private so no NHS funding issues come in to play, my consultant is just pro-vb, although she is perfectly happy for me to have a cs, it's entirely my choice. The issue is clotting - pregnancy raises your blood clot risk by 6 (i.e. all of us are 6 times more likely to have a clot while pregnant) a CS raises the risk by 10 and the highest blood clot risk would be with an EMCS where it raises to 13 or 14. My consultant has explained the risks of both options to me quite clearly, but is still in favour of vb with forceps - her equipment of choice as I think she has many successful forceps deliveries - over what is a major operation. I'm pretty decided on a cs now, especially after so many of you have confirmed what I thought - that the damage from forceps /episiotomies etc can be pretty severe to both mum and baby, though mostly and more long-lasting to mum, and that it's difficult to push under epidural. And I have an L-shaped coccyx from an old snowboarding accident, just waiting to block a vb baby! So when you add a potential re-broken coccyx to the mix...

I had a CVA (stroke) a few years ago which is how the heart condition was discovered, so I'm keen to avoid another clot, but i still think I'd rather have the controlled risk of the cs despite the blood clot risk rather than unknown potential damage to me and baby. Given the upheaval the stroke caused, a calm under-control cs birth appeals...especially as a home water birth with no intervention or drugs is so not on the cards! It is still strange and scary to volunteer for a major op, but I'm hoping once I have our little boy in my arms none of it will matter anyway.

MiaowTheCat Tue 19-Feb-13 13:00:10

I had what, in terms of actual birth injury aftermath, a pretty straightforward forceps delivery - 3c tear which appears to have healed OK (I can never bring myself to furtle down there and check), minimal physical discomfort and only(!) a small amount of bruising to the baby. LOADS of stitches, manual removal of a shredded placenta in chunks - guys up to their elbows in me but not telling me what the hell was going on (it's only polite to offer SOME explanation when you're up to your elbows in someone's uterus), and some long-term damage to my SPD from the spinal block and ramming my legs right up by my ears in stirrups while numbed - I have permanent niggles and pain in one hip as a result of them completely ignoring my pleas not to pull my legs too far apart and hurt me permanently.

Mentally though (and this is at least partially because of how they bullied and threatened me into it) I have massive birth trauma to the extent it affects my ability to cope with everyday life without medication to fall back on - and it really has shattered my life completely in that regard.

Because of that - if I knew there was the slightest risk of them getting forcep happy again next time - I'd be pushing for a section... and since the idea of sections terrifies me - that's quite a strong jump for me to make that.

ChicaT Wed 20-Feb-13 01:00:52

Oh Miaow I'm so sorry that sounds like an absolutely awful experience. I think a lot of the medical profession can forget that we are humans, real people, they just see the medical condition. They don't have to make a traumatic experience worse than it is by not caring - I haven't experienced birth yet but I did witness medics treating my mum, who had terminal cancer, with terrible lack of respect and compassion. Hideous

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