HypnoBirthing or Natal Hynotherapy?

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ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs Fri 19-Oct-12 10:18:00

Just reading Marie Mongan's HypnoBirthing book and am enjoying it. But not sure I'll be able to afford hynobirthing classes.

Have seen Effective Birth Preparation Natal Hypnotherapy (book.and cd set) by Maggie Howell on Amazon. Thisis more affordable and seems to be something I can do more on my own, whereas hypnobirthing seems to need A LOT of input from birth partner and not sure how comfortable OH would be with it.

Any advice or sharing experiences would be gratefully received.

I've only got a little experience of the Maggie Howell one that I have been using in the last few weeks (DC2 was due on Tuesday) - I am not sure if I will find it useful in labour but I have felt able after a few uses to 'take' myself to a place of relaxation a few minutes in.

I thought the main difference was that 'hypnobirthing' was the American term for it.. Hopefully someone who knows about both will be able to clarify

notcitrus Fri 19-Oct-12 12:40:43

I read both books (Mongan before ds, then Howell before dd). I found Mongan more realistic and less patronising - Howell got on my wick and went on about being pain-free, which as I had a very painful pregnancy, didn't go down well.

Didn't bother with the classes - was beautifully calm with ds (except for the bit where my pelvis fell apart until I got an epidural), but with dd all breathing exercises went out the window as I had a hideous cold! In both cases the 'surges' were a doddle, it was my SPD that was a problem, so not exactly a typical case.

DH read a couple pages I showed him, but as I was basically ignoring him during the birth I don't think it would have made much difference.

Cath505060 Fri 19-Oct-12 14:08:52

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Haribojoe Fri 19-Oct-12 14:14:45

I have to agree with CATH.

I have used Natal Hypnotherapy for 2 of my births and have been on one I'd Maggie Howell's birth practitioner study days.

She doesn't talk about birth being pain free. What she does say is that using her techniques will help to remove fear and enable you to feel empowered and in control even if things don't "go to plan".

I would highly recommend the natal hypnotherapy technique. When I get to transition I get overwhelmed with fear, both times that I used NH this didn't happen and I was able to stay completely in control. Can't sing it's praises enough.

DottyMidwife Fri 19-Oct-12 14:23:10

I've looked after women using both systems and they are both really good. I think you have to go with what feels right to you and what's affordable. Natal Hypno is more cost effective whether you do the workshops or listen to the CDs. And I definitely agree it's Marie Mongan that talks about being pain free- Maggie Howell says it's manageable which fits with what I have seen and experienced myself. But both are good.

GoldenBanana Fri 19-Oct-12 14:32:53

If you want to see a brief overview of the differences between Natal Hypnotherapy and HypnoBirthing you can have a look here:
www.natalhypnotherapy.co.uk/natalhypnotherapyworkshops.html . Scroll down to the bottom of the page and there's a table about the two methods. I met a HypnoBirthing practitioner the other day who seemed keen to train in Natal Hypnotherapy instead! Natal Hypnotherapy talks about reducing fear, remaining calm and feeling in control. To my knowledge it doesn't promise pain-free, but suggests "manageable". The HypnoBirthing practitioner I was talking to also told me that Natal Hypnotherapy is cheaper. There are several CDs to choose from and the book, Effective Birth Preparation by Maggie Howell, is easy to read without being patronising and is very down-to-earth. If you like people to tell-it-like-it-is, the book is definitely the right one!

ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs Fri 19-Oct-12 14:35:57

Thank you. I have seen the Natal hypno 3 cd set on Amazon for £40 so I think I'll give it a go. I felt completely out of my depth with DS and had a horrible labour alone in a hospital bathroom! I'm sure this contributed to my tear. Had an ELCS with DD to avoid it all but really want a successful vbac this time.

wildsofwilts Fri 19-Oct-12 14:46:03

I think you have to look into both methods and see what might work best for you. I know women who have found both very helpful. I personally find that Maggie's Natal Hypnotherapy is more empowering for the women as it equips her with the knowledge, confidence and coping stratagies to help herself with her partner being a calm gatekeeper and supporter rather than some of the Hypnobirthing techniques that often put the partner in control of giving the woman cues and reading scripts so she has to rely very much on her birth partner. I have recently supported two women who used Maggie Howell's Natal Hypnotherapy CD's and Book and had fantastic birth experiences, they are still glowing! One of them had a traumatic Caesarean after long induction first birth and feels Natal Hypnotherapy has healed that for her and her partner. Horses for courses I guess but Natal Hypnotherapy gets my vote every time :-)

wildsofwilts Fri 19-Oct-12 14:48:30

Meant to say ..... Wishing you all the very best for a positive birth this time ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs :-)

LolaP1 Fri 19-Oct-12 15:15:00

I don't know that much about Hypnobirthing except that I chose Natal Hypnotherapy because you didn't have to change your language and they didn't talk about it being pain free so think maybe notcitrus might have got the two muddled up????

I used Natal Hypnotherapy for both my births and it was brilliant, one was at home and one at hospital and they were very different experiences but I think Natal Hypnotherapy was brilliant for both and helped me no end. I've got friends who have used the CDs for loads of things - one friend has just told me that she believes she has finally conceived after listening to their CD and another friend used them to prepare for her planned section.

I was a bit of a sceptic before my first birth but would wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone now.

I'm sure hypnobirthing is fabulous too afterall both approaches are aiming at the same thing but personally, for me, I preferred the British voice in Natal Hypnotherapy and I believe that birth pains should be manageable - but not that they shouldn't be there at all.

Have a wonderful, fabulous healing birth, xx

danimummytothree Fri 19-Oct-12 15:19:20

I think Maggie Howell's Natal Hypnotherapy is fab! I looked into both methods and whilst I would agree that it is different strokes for different folks, the acknowledgement by Maggie that you do feel it but here's how we can make it more manageable, made so much sense to me. I was also more comfortable with the English voice on the CD as opposed to an American one. I would say that if you are able to get to a course it makes the whole thing even more effective because your other half gets involved too. Admittedly, he did look at me as though I had sprouted an extra head when I told him that was what we were doing but after going on the course he was so much more confident about being there for me (he didn't have to do anything too new-agey - just simple phrases) and he was amazing. Have recommended Natal Hypnotherapy to all my friends. I don't know where you are but if you look on the main website www.natalhypnotherapy.co.uk you can get a list of practitioners and their locations. Best of luck x

nikaia60 Fri 19-Oct-12 15:22:01

Hi there, I hope you don't mind me chipping in. Just wanted to make you and any other thread followers aware that the Mongan Method & Natal Hypno are not the only methods out there. I used the Mongan method myself with my first birth 3 yrs ago and agree with what some of the others have said re. setting an unrealistic expectation of birth being pain-free. I've since trained as a hypnotherapist myself and I practise a different approach, called Confident Childbirth hypnobirthing. It's flexible, tailored to the individual and realistic; ie.acknowledges that pain / discomfort may be part of the experience and teaches you how to work with it so you can manage it (using self hypnosis training to enable you to dissociate from any pain, as well specific pain control techniques). I also teach clients how to overcome fear and issues such as trauma from previous births , and to develop their own resources for birth eg confidence / calm / ability to keep going / assertiveness when needed). There are no lists of banned words, no need to go into hospital with a sheet over your head and a 'don't speak to me' note pinned to it(!).

I understand that classes are not an affordable option for all so I'm looking into a CD-based option to offer to clients who live further away or can't attend classes because of cost or other reasons. I wanted to ask, if you were looking at a CD option what would you ideally want from it?

Himbim Fri 19-Oct-12 15:45:01

I was in the exact same place as you now...and read the hypnobirthing book and thought my husband would rather jump off a cliff than practise the techniques with me! I also couldn't really relate to things like the rainbow relaxation and some of the visualisations that had fishes and things in it. I'm a bit of a practical kind of gal - call it what it is sort of thing....and my husband was a real skeptic and real rugby man's man. However I used the natal hypnotherapy CDs, and then also managed to drag him to a workshop and used it for both of my births. One lovely waterbirth, and one VERY quick homebirth before the midwife even got there. I believe the techniques I learned are what enabled me to keep calm and in control for my second birth. I didn't panic at all, and just let it happen. I think that hypnoBirthing (the US version) would probably suit the men that are really in touch with that kind of thing. I have a friend whose husband does yoga and really REALLY wants to be part of every step of the birth, so they find that suits them. But I preferred the confidence and the independence that the natal hypnotherapy gave me.... good luck!!!

ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs Fri 19-Oct-12 16:24:34

I'm thinking that natal hypnotherapy is going to be the way to go for us. My OH is very supportive and us happy to be with me and do what he can to make me more comfortable, but I just think he'd struggle with the 'new agey' feel of the Mongan method. I personally don't mind it but grew up in a very new whey household! But there does seem to be a reliance on your birth partner and I think I would actually be more nervous about that than anything else - I like to be able to do things for myself when I need them.

In response to your question Nikaia60 what I'd personally like from a cd is a calming but not too plinky plonky voice! I love guided meditation/visualisation because if left to my own devices I end up drifting off on a total tangent! Predominantly I want something that I can use throughout pregnancy, because I find pregnancy difficult - I'm just not one of those women who 'glows' - so relaxation and things to help reduce anxiety (especially in early pregnancy) would be great. ther things would be exercises to.use in labour and birth that can be done alone if necessary (in my first labour for example my birth partners were sent home because I 'wasn't in labour' apparently so I had no one to support me). I also like things where I can have a cd and a book. I know this is probably too much to expect from one cd package but thought I'd share my preferences!

notcitrus Fri 19-Oct-12 22:58:25

might have got the two muddled... also I didn't use the CDs, what with being deaf! The one with visualising the golden thermometer I found useful, the other one not so, but I suspect the amount of pain I was in during pregnancy #2 made me a heck of a lot more cynical and less receptive - IME labour was less painful than SPD, and understandably both books don't address SPD at all!
(pregnancy no.1 I mostly spent off my face on codeine, which might have helped me relax for birth - obviously couldn't do that next time as had to be sober to look after ds...)
Good luck with your births everyone.

Natal Hypnotherapy workshops are tailored to each individual and are an excellent option for ante-natal preparation.

By listening to Maggie's CDs regularly, relaxing becomes second nature; key to managing contractions.

I have taught many couples and testimonials reflect that the ability to stay calm pays huge dividends, to all three, mother, baby and father.

However your birth unfolds, it makes a massive difference in ensuring you feel postive, knowing you did your very best.

Best of luck to you all; hope this helps.

ConfusedKiwi Sun 21-Oct-12 03:02:50

I bought the Natal Hypnotherapy CD (for birth centres/hospitals) and Book in my last pregnancy and found it excellent. In particular, it was incredibly relaxing to listen to (I used to listen when I got home from work) but also made me feel really energised at the end. I think the key thing was just feeling that I had prepared in some way (my NHS antenatal classes just gave pain relief options).

I was lucky to have had a straight forward and quick labour and birth (following induction), then lent it to a friend who used to fall asleep in her lunch break listening to it and also had a really easy birth, then onto a relative who had a successful VBAC. Have finally got it back as now 30 weeks with my second and again, I just find it a good time out to relax.

I did initially find it a little bit 'cheesy' but after listening a couple of times it was fine. The book is also really good if you want to create your own visualisations/script.

When pg with ds (after a traumatic time first time round), I tried the Mongan books and they made my birth trauma/ptsd/pnd worse.

My first labour went wrong because of malpositioning. The only mention of malpositioning in Mongan's book is in the bit about breech births really. Interestingly, breech babies are caused by the mother being unable to let go or having some kind of psychological block. You can fix malpositioning by thinking positively. It was really empowering to hear that one, it was all my fault and two, lots of other stuff about how pain was me being weak and out of control. As opposed to, you know, the problem I had with my pelvis and the pain being a warning sign of things going wrong. I felt very upset when rereading it second time round.

I very much like and advocate natal hypnotherapy which is better at empowering you to deal with what happens due to sheer luck as opposed to convincing women that things going wrong is due to not letting go psychologically.

NB I think Mongan is right in one respect ie needing to let go and overcome the mental hurdles to giving birth. But to state that malpositioning is simply caused by the mother's thought processes? Pah. She needs to look at exactly how her wording affects women who have been blaming themselves for years already for something which wasn't their fault.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to comment to this discussion and thanks for all the positive words and support about the Natal Hypnotherapy approach.
ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs - i wish you all the very best and if you have any questions you can contact me through our facebook natal hypnotherapy page.

I am really sorry that this was your experience - I am saddened that this is the message that comes across in the hypnobirthing book. The last thing that any pregnant woman / new mum needs is a sense of blame that she did something wrong!

Hi
Thanks for taking the time to read my book and I am sorry that you felt that it "got on your wick". I did want to clarify one thing though, in my book I do not make any inference to the fact that birth should be "pain -free" - in fact I talk about finding ways to reduce pain by working with your body and that nothing in life worth having is completely pain free - falling in love, being a parent, running a marathon. It is more about how we work with that pain, and how to work with your mind and body to be able to manage it.

FruitSaladIsNotPudding Mon 22-Oct-12 11:02:49

I prefer the Maggie Howell approach. There are some useful things in the Marie Mongan book, but like some of the others I didn't like her tone - and the implication that if you felt pain you were doing it wrong!

GoldenBanana Mon 22-Oct-12 12:35:54

@ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs.... Just noticed your comment about ideally wanting a CD to help throughout pregnancy. There is a Pregnancy Relaxation one that you might find useful, produced by Natal Hypnotherapy. You can get CDs by Maggie Howell for conception, pregnancy, labour, postnatal, breastfeeding, general relaxation and stress reduction, supporting midwives in their work...... the list isn't quite endless but there are a lot to choose from!

Birthandbaby Fri 26-Oct-12 10:03:10

I am a Certified HypnoBirthing Practitioner (Mongan Method). I remain really disappointed that Natal HypnoBirthing staff continue to come on Mumsnet and market their brand by lying about the Mongan Method. It always strikes me as extremely unprofessional and it doesn't help parents to make the right choices.

I am so pleased that Maggie Howell from Natal Hypnotherapy is on this thread. Perhaps she could ask her staff to stop lying about HypnoBirthing. Perhaps also she could remove the comparison chart from her website that gives 7 features of HypnoBirthing, of which 4 are incorrect. This has been pointed out quite a few times now over quite a few years.

On this thread we have had Natal Hypnotherapy staff say that:

- HypnoBirthing is just the American term for Natal Hypnotherapy - NO - HypnoBirthing was around in the 1980s, well before Maggie Howell copied it.
- Natal Hypnotherapy is cheaper - well it should be, it offers less of a course with more people sharing the course.
- HypnoBirthing promises pain-free birth - just not true.
- HypnoBirthing is about natural birth only - just not true.
- HypnoBirthing doesnt prepare you for when things don't go to plan - just not true.
- HypnoBirthing uses a really annoying American accent - NO - it is voiced by Callie Copeman Bryant who has a gorgeous velvety voice and hails all the way from Cambridge.

I could go on but I have work to do.

As a practitioner, all I want is for the couples I work with to have a positive birth experience that they enjoy at the time, and look back on without regret. Different courses have different benefits but let's at least be honest abou the benefits rather than repeatedly lying; that's just not nice.

ReallyTired Fri 26-Oct-12 10:27:53

Actually the use of hypnosis to manage pain relief goes back a long way. Hypnosis was used to manage the main associaed with all kinds of experiences long before either Maggie Howell or Marie Morgan was born.

Both these methods are based on the ideas of Grantly Dick-Read and Michel Odent and Ina May Gaskin. Grantly Dick-Read was a victorian doctor and has been dead long before either Maggie Howell or Marie Morgan were born.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Childbirth-without-Fear-Principles-Practice/dp/1780660553

In the past people used hypnotheraphy for having teeth extracted or leg ampulations in the days before drugs for anesthesia. Hypnosis for childbirth is nothing new and certainly Marie Morgan did not invent it.

I chose natal hypnotheraphy because it is produced by a british company that understands british culture. Culturally it is different giving birth in the UK to the US.

Birthandbaby Fri 26-Oct-12 10:49:24

I did not say that hypnosis to manage pain-relief was a new thing. HypnoBirthing is not using hypnosis as pain-relief - I'm sure you weren't trying to twist my words. Have you read the HypnoBirthing book?

Are you under the impression that Certified HypnoBirthing Practitioners are American? I am a fairly typical practitionr and as a well-educated British person who has had 2 children in British hospitals, I am pretty sure I, and other practitioners, understand British culture - so that is another red herring. The UK edition of the HypnoBirthing book talks about birth in the NHS. Have you read the HypnoBirthing book?

Your comments on Grant Dickley-Read are perhaps a little misleading. He is of course the man who inspired many thinkers and practitioners. Marie Mongan read his books and was inspired by him to have a natural birth herself - she mentions this in her book - have you read it? Grantly Dick-Read was not a Victorian doctor - he qualified in 1914 and died in 1959 by which time Marie Mongan had had own first HypnoBirth. I'm not sure if Marie Mongan would be amused or horrified that you think she gave birth before the death of a Vicotrian doctor!?!

EmpressMatilda Sat 27-Oct-12 21:40:25

Hm...I am a first time pregnant woman starting to panic a little about birth so I came to this thread to get myself some good advice on approaches as the hypno approach may be for me.

Somewhat shocked to read the posts by the Mongan practitioners. They're a bit spiteful in my opinion. This was just a thread on which people were honestly sharing their own experiences and opinions. It was really great to read. Now it's spoilt. There's no need to wade in like that, all competitive and angry! I thought you were all about calmness?!

Birthandbaby Sat 27-Oct-12 22:42:10

EmpressMatilda - I think I am the only Mongan Method practitioner who has commented so it must be me that has come across as spiteful. I am sorry that you have interpretted my comments like that.

I'm sorry I haven't articulated just how tiring it is to have to keep correcting the inaccuracies perpetuated by Natal Hypnotherapists. I don't think it helps parents to compare the various models and therefore to have a great birth - which is the real point surely?

Sadly, this was never 'just a thread on which people were honestly sharing their experiences'. Quite a few of the people above are Natal Hypnotherapists e.g. off the top of my head I can tell you that Cath505060 and Golden Banana have written previously on Mumsnet that they are Natal Hypnotherapists, not just the average mums they are now appearing to be.

Cath505060 Wed 21-Nov-12 18:13:27

I am taking a deep breath in and a long slow breath out! I have always contributed to threads on MumsNet and elsewhere as someone who is a mother (which I am) and someone who has also worked with many women over the last 20 years and therefore has personal experience of many different approaches to birth. I have never hidden being a Natal Hypnotherapy Practitioner but that has been a recent addition to my work. Yoga for Pregnancy and NCT courses I have been facilitating for significantly longer. My comments are based on what women tell me, my own experiences and what I have observed in labouring women. I am very sorry that Birthandbaby feels that practitioners experiences are less valid than 'average mums' - I always thought we were all women who cared about helping women feel calm and confident about birth.

Drranjseyebrows Wed 21-Nov-12 18:18:41

What a shame that a thread that was initially friendly and helpful has been hijacked by trolling comments from BirthandBaby. Not sure what your agenda is but seems to be business driven rather than out of a genuine desire to help / advise women. But perhaps you have somewhat inadvertently helped me. I'm drawn to the warm, friendly types - know who I'll be booking with now.

wildsofwilts Wed 21-Nov-12 18:27:25

I agree with you ExpressMatilda, I think this 'thread' has been really helpful in hearing how different methods work for different people and it is all about exploring which one might suit you best. Testimonials would suggest they both work for different people but I am really sad to see such an angry and accusatory post that sadly does not promote warmth and calmness. I do hope you find whatever works for you and that you have a wonderfully calm and peaceful birth. Just back myself from a beautiful birth last night.

sandraletitia Wed 21-Nov-12 23:39:59

I SO agree that different methods work for different people. I am a Natal Hypnotherapy practitioner and also an NCT teacher of many years. I absolutely believe that birth hypnosis, how ever it is taught and whatever approach is used, makes a huge difference to the way a woman feels about her birth experience and also contributes to the way it turns out, absolutely no doubt.
I came to Natal Hypnotherapy after seeing many women over the years use the CDs and really felt they benefited from doing so. As there was no practitioner locally I decided to train and really believe in what I do.
I also still love teaching my NCT classes - finished a course only earlier this evening - wished them all the best as they went off to the local Pub for supper.
Essentially it is horses for courses.

Birthandbaby - I was shocked and saddened by your posting on this thread as there are some very strong accusations and many inaccuracies which cast a very bad light on Natal Hypnotherapy practitioners as well as myself. I would like to point out the following:-
1.You refer to Natal Hypnotherapy “staff”- we have 75 trained practitioners who run their own businesses – we do work very much as a team and support each other but they are all autonomous
2.We do not lie – as an organisation we have built our reputation on integrity, honesty, professionalism and passion to help women have a better birth
3.We are Natal Hypnotherapy – Not Natal Hypnobirthing – we do not brand ourselves as “hypnobirthing” – we are of course fully aware that it is used by many people as a generic term and that there are no registered trademark rights to the name in the UK– However I created the brand Natal Hypnotherapy in the UK in 2000 – before the Mongon method of HypnoBirthing came to the UK.
4.The chart on our website is there to answer the very often asked question – what are the differences between the 2 approaches. I have revised this based on feedback I have had from 2 hypnobirthing practitioners in the past and am happy to continue to do so if what is written there reflects any recent changes.
5.“HB is just the American term for Natal Hypnotherapy” the phrase was “HB is the American term for it” – this comment was made by a woman who is pregnant and only just started using my CDs – so not a practitioner
6.It is a very strong and incorrect accusation to make that I copied Hypnobirthing. I developed the programme as a result of my clinical hypnotherapy training and my work with midwives across the UK. This accusation has been made before and has been shown to be completely unfounded.
7.NH workshops may be cheaper – I prefer better value - however it is for 14 hours tuition and for a maximum of 5 couples – I believe Hypnobirthing workshops are for 12 hours – however please correct me if I am wrong. I am not sure of the maximum number of participants on the HB courses
8.I do not believe that any of the Natal Hypnotherapy practitioners state that HB “promises” a pain free birth – however it is an impression that many hundreds of women and midwives have had, that if done correctly HB can give them a pain free birth – I train hundreds of midwives and this is their biggest concern about the Hypnobirthing approach as they feel it is unrealistic for most women.
9.I can not read any where that HB is only about natural births - It is the experience of many women that they struggle to use the HB techniques when things do not go to plan – please read the many threads on this site where women (not Natal Hypnotherapy practitioners – who incidentally many of which are also mums) have written this about their experience
10.The only reference on this thread to “HB uses a really annoying American accent” is in your posting – However I do know that many British women do not connect with the American accent. Thank you for bringing it to my attention that there is a UK version – this does not seem to have filtered through to most people I come in contact with who still associate it with an American voice

I agree that different courses have different benefits. I have developed an approach which suits many women – this approach has been developed through consistency, professionalism and passion – not on lies.

KtBOnline Thu 22-Nov-12 23:10:15

To continue with birth experiences....I had a very traumatic first birth and used Natal Hypnotherapy for my 2nd birth which I can honestly say was AMAZING - totally manageable and so empowering to be able to trust my body to birth!

I only tried Natal hypnotherapy - but I found it easy to use and simple to understand. I can highly recommend it - Good luck!

khimlee Sat 24-Nov-12 10:12:53

as a health care professional (33years), birth educator (26 years) IAIM Infant massage instructor 13 years)Natal Hypnotherapy Practitioner 6 years, I am saddened to see such behaviour and feel such negative energies created by birthandbaby, very unprofessional and perhaps needs to practice self hypnosis to calm down. women make inform choices and like me, I chose after viewing both methods, the NH Maggie Howell approach, knowing and have met her(my criteria) that she has used it 5 times and created it organically from her own birth experiences. It took me 5 years( skeptic midwives ) to embrace this as it was a birthing mum who showed me the way to NH! my colleagues dismiss this as they had enough of being told to "change their words" in a short time to care for a mum using the HB approach which then does not built a rapport of working together for a calm birth environment. Yes, we have challenges too with all the guidelines and clinical safety issues. So as a NH practitioner in NHS setting, I do use NH in VBACs, traumatic past events and make no charge as I believe in what I do( would you be able to share your expertise if you care so much?) , we do want to promote Normality(RCM) be less stressed when we have calmer confident women who prepare with commitment regardless of whom they choose( affordable, valuable and sustainable) to do their workshops. I run NHS workshops and still promote normality and being realistic some do need more support. Maybe you may consider working in NHS and not just a "birtheducator" and be able to empathise with professionals working in a challenged way as we know 89% of women are fearful of birth. So focus on your own good work to reduce this and reflect on your own practice.The birth rate is going up, so there are enough women and families for you to supported if they choose HB or NH.
We have midwives, nct teachers, doulas and mums who have used NH as Practitioners because WE do care. One of my colleagues was able to use the simple NH ways from a professional Study Day to support a HB labouring woman as birth partner was not engaging(did not want to read the scripts). So regardless of who they prepare with, midwives will develop the skills to support from Study Days that Maggie had facilitated (a free full day)in NHS because she believes in her passion to share.

WigglyBraddins Sun 25-Nov-12 19:35:55

I loved the Natal Hypnotherapy CD & found the visualisations really helped me in labour. Not tried Hypnobirthing but whichever one you go for I'm sure it'll help.

noseynoonoo Mon 26-Nov-12 19:32:19

Maggie Howell says that she is happy to amend her website to reflect recent changes. Perhaps the first entry on the comparison table needs to be changed since the HypnoBirthing CDs have a British accent - would that be a fair request?

noseynoonoo Thu 29-Nov-12 23:22:55

Does anyone know when Maggie Howell will be amending the natal hypnotherapy website to reflect truthfully the changes made by HypnoBirthing? Perhaps one of the natal hypnotherapy practitioners could make her aware?

newyearsday Wed 05-Dec-12 13:51:43

I had a traumatic emcs with my 1st baby and when I found out I was pg again I bought the Natal Hypnotherapy CD about preparing for a VBAC but I wasn't very disciplined at listening to it. I looked into the HypnoBirthing method and decided it suited my DH and me because we could get private classes (no babysitter) and there are several practitioners locally (costs ranged from £250-350). I really feel I need that 1-2-1 support. I'm now 28wks and our classes start on Monday, I'm really looking forward to it, feels like the next step on my journey towards a better birth experience.

noseynoonoo - I am happy to add the change to our website.

Gingerbreadlatte Mon 10-Dec-12 13:47:45

Just to re-iterate the posts in favour of Maggie's Natal Hypnotherapy. I used it extensively for my 2nd birth. It enabled me to have a wonderful birthing experience and I cannot recommend it enough.

I can thoroughly recommend a practitioner in Farnham Surrey if anyone is interested.

noseynoonoo Tue 11-Dec-12 11:33:53

Maggie, you seem to have changed it incorrectly so that it still gives incorrect information.

It should read: CDs use a British voice.

Gintonic Tue 11-Dec-12 12:06:07

OP, I just found a hypnotherapist that specialised in childbirth. I had one session and she made me a cd which i listened to every night.It was much cheaper than hypno birthing, no need to go on a course. No irritating philosophy attached. And it was all tailored to me and my particular anxieties. It was fantastic.

stowsettler Tue 11-Dec-12 15:56:22

Crikey, what a load of vitriol about 2 methods whose objectives are so similar.
I am currently doing a hypnobirthing course. I did no research on NH or HB, it just so happens that a practitioner lives locally and I've seen her car around the place. Had I heard of NH beforehand I may well have gone down that route.
I'm halfway through the Mongan book, and I do not feel that I'm being led to expect a pain-free labour. Perhaps that's just because I'm a pragmatic sort of person. However, I do feel that the method is showing me how to manage any pain I experience and how to deal with any eventuality during my labour. I do NOT feel that I'll be unprepared for 'special circumstances', as they're called in the book (complications to you and me). Quite the opposite: I feel that if such circumstances arise, I'll be relaxed and de-stressed enough to make rational decisions based on what's best for my baby and for me.
I totally accept the logic of birth being easier if the mother is relaxed and trusting of her body to do the job. I understand completely that, the more relaxed she is, the less tense all her muscles will be = ergo pain should be managed more easily.
It seems to me that both methods will help women to achieve this aim. So shall we stop the bickering?

Norem Tue 11-Dec-12 16:35:12

Interesting threadsmile I have used both methods and both sets of CDs.
Both work very well and in choosing which one to go with I would have a chat with local practitioners where possible to see which is the best fit for you.
If a course is not possible I would go with natal hypnotherapy CDs as there is more choice.
Have a great birth.

noseynoonoo Mon 17-Dec-12 14:35:16

maggiebhowell You still don't seem to have made the correct correction to the comparison table on your website.

emmam25 Mon 17-Dec-12 21:49:08

I can't talk about Hypnobirthing as I never tried it but I can say that I used Maggie Howells Natal Hypnotherapy Effective Birth Preparation CD from 34 weeks with my first and I found it fantastic. I never experienced any anxiety about the birth and approached it relaxed and positive. I'm now 25 weeks with baby 2 and have been using the Pregnancy Relaxation throughout. I'll be switching to Effective Birth Preparation when I get a bit closer and have Post-natal Recovery ready for after baby arrives!

noseynoonoo Sun 23-Dec-12 22:50:42

BirthandBaby above said that those associated with Natal Hypnotherapy state that 'HypnoBirthing uses a really annoying American accent - NO - it is voiced by Callie Copeman Bryant who has a gorgeous velvety voice and hails all the way from Cambridge.'

MaggieHowell from Natal Hypnotherapy said that she would change the inaccuracy on her website, and has come back to say that she has done so - and yet still it is incorrect. I don't understand why.

swimsunandski Tue 19-Mar-13 13:47:21

Did any of you see on ITV London News this week that some NHS hospitals in London are now running Natal Hypnotherapy workshops. It's on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZBu61ru3P4. I felt very relaxed during my labour after used the Natal Hypnotherapy Birth Preparation CD and Maggie Howell's book but if I'd known that the NHS were offering the service I would have gone to a workshop too.

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