Renault scenic help needed - confused with various models!

(66 Posts)
Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 20:38:38

Really fancy a renault scenic, but confused as I've seen a megane scenic, dynamique scenic, grand scenic etc etc. Help! I'm looking for the 5 seater version that isn't massive!!

Helpys Wed 28-May-14 20:51:07

The grand scenic is great if you want to very occasionally have 7 seats. The last 2 aren't very comfy but the boot space (they fold away very easily)
Are you near a Renault garage? The best thing is probably to go and see the different sizes. Then draw up a short list of 2 or 3 and see what you can get cheapest.

Helpys Wed 28-May-14 20:51:43

Sorry 'the boot space is fantastic.'

Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 21:12:06

My local renault garage isn't very good, may have to drive to nearest city to have a look at a bigger renault garage.

Slightly complicated by the fact I need an automatic and they're few and far between. Very pleased boot space is fab, that's what I need really as it's our only car and we have holidays in uk and also need to fit bikes etc in. Does it feel much bigger to drive than an average family sized car?

Oodlives Wed 28-May-14 21:36:31

We had one and I liked it to drive BUT was ridiculously unreliable and every repair cost £500. Everything was electronic and needed things reset and overly complicated. We scrapped a 5 year old model as it got too expensive to repair snd no one would have it for spare or repair.
Scrap man said it's a regular

Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 21:58:54

Oh dear, that doesn't sound good Oodlives. Did you get something similar after your Scenic? Just thinking about what the alternatives would be?

Wolfiefan Wed 28-May-14 21:59:58

We too had a Scenic. Lots of expensive issues. (Was a few years ago.)

crashbangboom Wed 28-May-14 22:01:27

Don't get if you are using isofix car seats without checking the prop misses storage boxes or prop fully extends into box.

Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 22:02:52

I have 2 isofix seats - will check manuals and see if they fit. Thanks for that. Did you have issues with yours?

Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 22:13:43

Hmm well I've just checked the car seats out and one of them will only fit in the middle, with the other one needing to be at the side. Not keen on that arrangement, doesn't seem that safe having one in the middle somehow?! That's really put me off, I was all ready to test drive and buy one I've got my heart set on. Boo.

hugebagsisanunderstatement Wed 28-May-14 22:21:32

It's a Renault, don't need to say anymore! Steer clear, major electrical issues, regular one being windows stop working, 2 of my friends both have meganes n both their windows no longer work.

Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 22:24:29

Really are they that bad? Even newer models? Am stumped now.... May have to check out Citroens even though I vowed never to have one again after a disastrous saxo years ago!!

restandpeace Wed 28-May-14 22:25:30

Sorry mine was crap

Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 22:28:03

Crap seems to be general consensus. But they look nice and economical. Grrr

Shouldwego Wed 28-May-14 22:30:00

We have a grand scenic dynamique and it has been fine. We had a fiat multipla before that which was a bit of a nightmare.

It is longer than a standard car but not wider so tricky to park at times but not tricky to drive.

Dynamique etc refer to levels of trim and accessories rather than size. The 'grand' bit means it is 5+2 seats. The two back seats are for kids only but very handy for odd occasions.

Ours is now 5yrs old and hasn't had expensive repairs so far, touch wood. If money wasn't an object I would pick a ford s-max probably but the scenic has done us well.

crashbangboom Wed 28-May-14 22:30:25

I have a besafe erf in my 02 very old shape scenic. However I know it doesn't fit most isofix seats. Renault don't do fillers yet still put the useless things in family cars. Grr.

Middle seat is actually safest in an accident btw

Shouldwego Wed 28-May-14 22:31:31

Yes, we average 45mpg in ours which is decent for a car of that size. We also have a super economical zero road tax new fiesta which is meant to do a lot more mpg than that but in reality does 50mpg so really impressed with the scenic's fuel efficiency.

Olaffles Wed 28-May-14 22:53:55

Thanks for that re: mpg Shouldwego, seems very good.

Glad to hear some good things. Also surprised middle seat is safest! Need to do more research. Prob start a thread re: picassos following garage trawl at weekend!!

Was thinking about a ford but more expensive used. Like the focus but not sure the boot would be big enough for us.

Raskova Wed 28-May-14 23:03:54

I really would advise you don't buy one. They are incredibly cheap for a reason... They're shit. Like really shit. Read reviews of them anywhere.

Ford are more expensive because they are much more reliable. Though the 1.6tdci focus and c max from around 05-08 is a Peugeot engine. I had one. Truly shit. shock

Raskova Wed 28-May-14 23:06:18

Just seen your post re citroen. Again, stay away. I had a 53 plate Picasso for six months. Cost me more in repairs than it did to buy it and tax it. Don't buy French unless it's new.

restandpeace Thu 29-May-14 10:22:01

Id also geta ford if i had the money. Ive been advised dint buy french too.

ForeskinHyena Thu 29-May-14 10:26:05

I've had 2 Grand scenics (with the pop up 6&7th seats) mainly because of the great boot space. I haven't had any reliability issues, but have recently had 2 small accidents bumping into things while reversing as my driving the rear visibility is a bit bad. Consider parking sensors if you're not used to a big car! I always thought they were for morons, but now I realise they are actually very useful blush

beccajoh Thu 29-May-14 10:30:43

My parents bought us our Megane Scenic (2nd hand from a friend of theirs) and I wouldn't buy one again myself. In terms of size it's fine (it's the 5-sweater one you're after) but it just does lots of random things. I parked it in a field at a wedding and when I left five hours later the electrics had given up because it was a bit damp hmm. The other day we got stuck in a hospital car park because we were parked on a slight hill and the fuel ran to the other end of the tank (we had a third of a tank and it was only a very slight hill!) We couldn't then close the windows or lock the doors, because the engine wasn't on (WTAF?) The dashboard stopped working after a while, apparently a known problem for Renault, but starts again if you whack it.

Many more random things have happened but those are the ones that stick in my mind.

Oh yes and not being able to use the isofix because of the deep underfloor storage. Who designs a car that way? Utterly baffling!

beccajoh Thu 29-May-14 10:31:22

5-seater not sweater!

LIZS Thu 29-May-14 10:35:10

Not a Grand Scenic then. Megane Scenic was the original name , Dynamique et al is just the specification/edition name. We've had several , new and old shape. All have been fine with a variety of car seats. I don't like the automatic parking brake though ! Not cheap to service but good inside space, flexible and comfy.

Olaffles Thu 29-May-14 11:00:07

I love the tips re: random whacking of dashboards, no parking on hills and by the sounds of it I'd def need parking sensors too!!

Well I think well put off a Scenic MN jury, so what instead? Ford C Max? They hold their value more so is have to get an older or higher mileage one but if they are more reliable perhaps that's not too important.

Raskova Thu 29-May-14 13:52:09

Diesels are stronger engines so would always recommend that but they cost more. Quite a bit more. The 2l petrol is very cheap but expensive to run.

I really can't emphasise enough to stay away from the 1.6tdci tho. The turbo goes and there's a history of it going again within a mile. Literally a mile. Mine was less than 1000 miles /3 months and cost 441 the first time to fix (cheapest price, everyone else 750 minimum) and I refused to fix it again as there's no point. It will go again. Part is covered by warranty but it's not the part that fails so you HAVE to pay shock

bigdog888 Thu 29-May-14 14:59:32

I'd run a mile from French electrics and electronics unless you can extend the manufacturer's warranty to 7 years at the time of purchase. Buy something far eastern.

BristolRover Thu 29-May-14 15:02:27

I have a megane with non-working windows! have spent £450 on them so far so currently only one not working.

You also have to pay someone to replace any headlamp bulbs that go because of the way they've designed the front end - ludicrously complicated to replace, even garages scratch their heads at it. NEVER AGAIN will I buy Renault.

bigdog888 Thu 29-May-14 15:09:44

Diesels are stronger engines so would always recommend that but they cost more

That's not exactly true and certainly not good advice. Diesel engines may well be physically stronger due to the higher compression ratios involved but they are certainly not more reliable these days. Old diesels were pretty bomb proof but are now hugely complicated with lots of expensive things to fix. A simple petrol engine is likely to be more reliable. Also unless doing 15k miles per year or more the diesel option rarely makes good financial sense, add to that the problem with doing mostly short journeys in modern diesels and my advice would be to stay well away.

Raskova Thu 29-May-14 15:22:52

In my experience shirt journeys are equally bad for petrols and diesels. I've recently had a golf that was only doing 2 x 3/4 mile journey a day and started to get serious problems because the engine was just starting to get warm as the journey finished.

I'm yet to notice any difference in efficiency from my 1.6 tdci focus to my 1.6 petrol Picasso or 1.9 petrol 3 series really. Even on long journeys.

I've never heard anyone say any bad about modern Diesel engines.

youbethemummylion Thu 29-May-14 15:30:20

I would really really strongly advise against a Scenic ours was bought at 3yrs old and has been a money pit. The general response by the garage man is 'yeah scenics do that' everytime ive taken it in for something.

bigdog888 Thu 29-May-14 15:39:16

Generally, short journeys are not great for any engine however if you use a modern diesel for mainly short/low speed/round town journeys you are likely to experience DPF issues. A modern diesel is just not suitable for this kind of use.

Raskova Thu 29-May-14 17:48:28

What's counted as modern though? Mines an antique a little old so would never class it as modern. Y focus was 55 plate so you think it's new but it's almost ten years old so isn't really...

Olaffles Thu 29-May-14 19:00:19

So.... I'm looking for a petrol engine (do about 10,000 miles a year, 3-4 days a week only short trips of a few miles, a few times a week 40-50 mile round trips, every fortnight or so a few hours motorway journeys)

I need an automatic. Any other recommendations?

Raskova Thu 29-May-14 19:06:45

What's your budget? Seat alteas are cheap and part of VAG so always a good buy. I saw a few for £1500 when I was looking.

tkband3 Thu 29-May-14 19:07:35

I think you've probably been put off a Scenic by now smile, but if not...we've had ours for 8 years and are generally very pleased with it. We don't have it serviced by Renault, but by a reputable garage and the only thing they can't fix is the key that's stopped working which would need reprogramming... We have a Grand Scenic, which has the two extra seats in the boot. The five seater doesn't have a massive boot, but you can now get the Grand Scenic without the extra seats if you need a big boot (at least I think you can).

Having said that, I'm not sure we'd get another one, but not because we've had a bad experience with it - DH is quite keen on an S-Max next time round, but we're going to hang on to our Scenic until we have to get rid of it!

Olaffles Thu 29-May-14 19:23:32

That's interesting tkband, I'm glad you've not had problems too!

I keep hearing good things about Ford C Max and S Max. C Max prob big enough for us just more expensive for newer car with lower mileage. Looking at spending 8 - 9k on something pref 3 or 4 years old with low mileage. Is that impossible?!

Olaffles Thu 29-May-14 19:24:17

Ooh will check out the Altea, thanks Raskova.

Olaffles Thu 29-May-14 19:27:18

A quick google and the Altea looks great! Thanks will continue to research!

WMittens Thu 29-May-14 20:13:13

Raskova

In my experience shirt journeys are equally bad for petrols and diesels. I've recently had a golf that was only doing 2 x 3/4 mile journey a day and started to get serious problems because the engine was just starting to get warm as the journey finished.

Twelve hundred metres is not a short journey, it's a nanojourney. Of course that's going to screw any engine, the water won't even be slightly warm, never mind the oil. The exhaust will never get up to temperature so the catalyst won't be doing its job so your car is pumping out lots of unburnt hydrocarbons, condensation will build up inside the exhaust and rust it from the inside. DPFs have already been mentioned, and within the next few years we'll have gasoline particulate filters to clog up on those microdrives.

Why would you not walk, cycle or, if you have a physical disability, use a mobility scooter?

Raskova Thu 29-May-14 21:27:19

That's my DDs DFs journey and it's 2 different dual carriage ways so not walkable. Mines about 15 but all country roads.

His golf had condensation build up. He's more careful now

Raskova Thu 29-May-14 21:39:46

I am, of course, genuinely sorry that driving a 'nano journey' offends you so.

We don't all have the time to walk 4 miles to and from work and some of us have to look very posh for work and the windswept look just doesn't cut it.

AuditAngel Thu 29-May-14 21:52:29

I had a scenic, 53 plate. I loved it, but lost loads of money over the 15 months I owned it.

I now have a Grand Picasso, 2 years old (company car), it has flappy paddles, so can be manual or auto. That said, at a month old it spent a month in the garage having the entire wiring loom replaced after a leak caused corrosion.

Shouldwego Thu 29-May-14 22:36:03

Can I just say that headlights on a scenic are easily replaced by teenagers in Halforda for about a fiver each. We have had ours done that way every time, never been a problem. It helps of course that halfords employ students studying mechanics in their shops.

Raskova Thu 29-May-14 22:42:11

Do they, shouldwego? I thought they were just normal sales people who had a bit of training on average car stuff??

ShoeWhore Thu 29-May-14 22:45:07

Just for balance, our Grand Scenic is nearly 7yo and has been great. Very reliable apart from a few wear and tear issues this last year - garage says all stuff you would expect 6 years in. It's also automatic and had no issues with that.

Shouldwego Thu 29-May-14 22:55:00

They certainly do round here. I was surprised when they sent what I thought was a spotty teenager out to do it but he told DH he was in his second year of studying mechanics at the local college. He also knew exactly how to do it and that he would have to go inside etc.

Obviously not all of them are students/ experienced but the ones they send to do things with cars tend to be.

ItsNotUnusualToBe Thu 29-May-14 22:57:18

The staff in Halfords always groan and say 'Megane?' When I ask for new headlights to be fitted. They unfailingly tell me that Renault headlights are the worst to fit.

Three of my windows packed in. I paid a small fortune to have 1 fixed but haven't bothered with the others.

Would avoid Renault next time.

WMittens Fri 30-May-14 18:04:06

We don't all have the time to walk 4 miles to and from work

I didn't read your previous post as 4 miles, I read it as 'three quarters of a mile' - 3/4, 3 divided by 4.

Hence why I said "twelve hundred metres".

neiljames77 Fri 30-May-14 18:08:58

Get a Zafira. Cheap insurance (unless it's the vxr) cheap repairs, reliable, loads of dealers and not too big.

Raskova Fri 30-May-14 20:15:56

Ha! Ok, I have no idea how many anythings go into a mile...

I wouldn't go Vauxhall solely because the ones I've had as courtesy cars have cost me an arm and leg in fuel. Both petrol. 1 x 1.4 corsa and 1 x 1.6 meriva. Both had next to no power

Olaffles Fri 30-May-14 22:12:45

I feel a Zafira is too big really for everyday driving. Interesting the Meriva being a petrol guzzler as I looked at that too. Seems I have dire taste I'm cars!

So, serious contender is the Seat Altea. Not too big but spacious boot, not bad mpg, tax around £110. Quite a few extras thrown in. Now someone will tell me they're rubbish too!!

Raskova Fri 30-May-14 22:17:58

I simply will not gringringrin

Buy it!!!!!!

Olaffles Fri 30-May-14 22:28:23

Woo hoo!! Am I onto a winner???!!! grin grin

Olaffles Fri 30-May-14 22:32:25

Seriously excited now raskova I'll be test driving one tomorrow! Hopefully report back!!

Raskova Fri 30-May-14 22:43:41

I believe you're on to a big winner!!! Please do report. grin

What do you drive now? If nothing similar, just make sure you're ready for the transition to a mummy car. I'm 26 and wasn't... Hence the early midlife crisis BMW

Olaffles Fri 30-May-14 23:04:58

Well you can take the credit if I get it, you planted the seed!!
Thank you flowers

I have a really grannyish car at the moment - wait for it - a Yaris. Was a gift when I had no cash so much appreciated, but no boot space and now I have 2 DC's in car sets it's impractical to say the least. I shall embrace Mum car status and practicality (whilst in my head I'll be driving a sporty little Mazda) No doubt parking will take some practice, I'll feel like I'm in a tank!!

Raskova Fri 30-May-14 23:19:03

If you like Toyota, they do a corolla verso. Very practical. Nothing on seat. Yaris's are cute smile

You'll get used to it quickly. I was shocked at the size difference because it first look like much from the outside but mine dust have good power steering.

Raskova Fri 30-May-14 23:19:26

I'm probably as excited as you are blush

twainiac Fri 30-May-14 23:26:37

I'll vouch for the Altea - had 2, the first was written off (not our fault) at 2 years old - built like a tank and OH walked safely away from a head on collision. We replaced it with a slightly older one and kept it until it was 6 years old. I love love loved it!
Only changed it cos my parents were selling their car which seemed like a good buy, have regretted it ever since.......

juneybean Fri 30-May-14 23:43:05

Ack this thread is panicking me, I just bought a Renault Scenic 10 plate in February! Really hope it doesn't fail on me!

Raskova Sat 31-May-14 00:00:39

I heard new are ok juney but sell before it gets to any kind of age... hmm

Oodlives Sat 31-May-14 06:33:22

shock at dissing the yaris! I love mine and there's quite a fan club on here.

Olaffles Sat 31-May-14 06:55:44

Sorry Oodlives, it has been a great car actually it's just we have outgrown it considerably!

juneybean Sat 31-May-14 11:06:46

tbh I miss my citroen xsara 03 plate, haven't quite fell in love with the scenic yet...

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