Is it ok to add cocoa powder to (dairy free) formula (for 13mth old)?

(33 Posts)
SquidgersMummy Thu 26-Sep-13 20:53:37

So my dd has been ebf until now - she is 13mths old and a bit of a booby monster. She has a boob at 5, goes back off till 6, has the other then gets up at 7. She likes to nap at 10 and 3 and if I'm home she feeds to sleep. If I'm at work she manages but has a top up when I get in. Feeds to sleep at night. She eats wells but just likes booby smile Sadly I have to stop feeding asap really - to have any chance of a sibling I need to get back to ivf asap. I was hoping she'd self-wean but it ain't going to happen. We have night weaned but my periods haven't returned which has just increased my anxieties and the medical advice to stop bf'ing to try to conceive. I dont think a pint worth of calcium is going in as she wont take cows milk. DD has eczema and though seems fine after eating cheese/yoghurt/ice-cream any skin it has touched because itchy with hives. Cows milk or normal formula quickly results in red blotches on the skin and she doesnt like it anyway. So we are waiting for an assessment re poss milk allergy. We see paediatrics next week. In the meantime my GP has given me a tin of nutramigen lipil 1 to try (ie hypo allergenic stage 1 formula). Now if we present this as 'milk' DD is going to know it bloody well isn't. I was wondering if from the start we add a little cocoa powder - or whizz with blueberries - and say its milkshake. Unfortunately she loves being fed to sleep and can only sleep otherwise in the buggy or car...(yes, I know)...I am totally dreading it. Fortunately DH is working fm home at the moment so I wonder if we present it as a new exciting thing with daddy?? I really can't see how it's ever going to work...she loves booby and I don't want to deny her. It's been really hard nightweaning but she has accepted it though has to lie tweaking my nipple instead. Please wise people tell me how to do this without tears, hers or mine. X

SquidgersMummy Thu 26-Sep-13 20:57:52

Forgot to say - cant they just give me calcium supplements instead?? She's good with water.....

beepoff Thu 26-Sep-13 21:31:07

Have you tried goats milk, cheese etc instead?

Will she drink water?

If yes I'd try goat's cheese, yog etc in the day and see how she reacts, and try to cut down to just a morning and evening feed at first.

TBH most people I know who co-sleep have a bitch of a time cutting down on feedings, you've done well to night wean but if you did that you can cut down some daytime feeds too.

I know one child who self weaned at 1 and refused any other kind of milk. She's slim but absolutely fine and healthy.

gretagrape Fri 27-Sep-13 08:44:02

Our cocoa powder tin has a warning saying it might contain milk so you'd need to check the label of yours.

Might be worth checking the Allergies threads for tips - I've heard of some people adding vanilla extract to sweeten the formula.

NothingsLeft Fri 27-Sep-13 23:10:59

Have you tried expressing and mixing it gradually with the formula?

May be try 70/30, then 60/40, 50/50 etc. I personally won't try cocoa powder die to the caffeine content. Some people find mesquite works but you would need to check the labels for dairy content.

NotAQueef Fri 27-Sep-13 23:21:53

Cocoa powder would be quite bitter. Not sure I see the value of adding it in terms of taste.

nickelbabe Fri 27-Sep-13 23:25:30

as long as you use bournville cocoa powder you'll be fine.
but do Google food with calcium in, because you might ne okay.
but to be honest, I would carry on BFing for as long as possible

EnglishRose1320 Fri 27-Sep-13 23:32:11

As she is over a year could you not try her with the cows milk you can buy that is lactose free? My son has that and it tastes nearly the same as standard cows milk- can not think of its name- if I wasn't already in bed I would go and look in the fridge. My son hated giving up bf and we had a bit of a battle- didn't give up till 2.5, and he still does the tweaking nipple thing now and again at 3.4, so all I can really say is good luck.

nickelbabe Sat 28-Sep-13 12:18:12

because if she's been drinking breast milk with no problem, then it's more likely to be cow's milk protein than lactose

EnglishRose1320 Sat 28-Sep-13 12:35:14

You could try powered goats milk, my ds had that before e went on the lactofree stuff, that would cut out the issue of cows milk protein as well. We used a brand called 'nannycare' I think.

trixymalixy Sat 28-Sep-13 12:38:33

We were recomme ded to mix Nutramigen with nesquick to get DS to drink it.

trixymalixy Sat 28-Sep-13 12:47:03

It was a dietician who recommended nesquick btw.

trixymalixy Sat 28-Sep-13 12:48:37

Also goats milk not recommended for dairy allergies as the proteins are very similar to CMP.

EnglishRose1320 Sat 28-Sep-13 12:51:30

I would prob give it a go if it has been recommended to you, nutramigen smells horrible so I imagine the taste isn't great.

EnglishRose1320 Sat 28-Sep-13 12:53:10

My ds is lactose intolerant and is fine with goats milk but I'm afraid I don't know much about allergies to cows milk protein

Parmarella Sat 28-Sep-13 12:58:05

Cocoa powder is bitter and contains cafeine like stimulants. Not suitable for babies.

galwaygirl Sat 28-Sep-13 13:00:37

nickelbabe did you miss OP saying she needs to get back to IVF to try and have another child? So advising her to continue to BF isn't very helpful.

OP, nutramigen tastes gross alright - our DD was fine taking it though, we did mix in formula but switched to 100% nutramigen fairly quickly and our DD was a lot younger so less fussy about the taste I'd imagine. I think mixing in something dairy free to make it taste nicer sounds like a good idea. You could then cut down on the quantities of the additive gradually.

Best of luck with the next cycle of IVF - I remember that stress so well - it worked once for you though so hopefully it will work again! Xx

nextphase Sat 28-Sep-13 13:10:42

At 13 months, the dietician recommended we use calcium enriched Oatly.
Have you considered moving to a non dairy milk, rather than formula?
Take proper advice, but it was Oat milk recommended to us (don't use rice milk). There are other nut milks, or maybe even soya? I would have thought any would be better than nutragmen, which I understand is foul.

nickelbabe Sat 28-Sep-13 13:51:42

galway - I guess it did come across as dictatorial, it was only was i would do.
And yes, i did miss the bit about IVF. smile

nickelbabe Sat 28-Sep-13 13:52:48

jsut re-read the OP and it took me ages to find the ivf part. blush

HavantGuard Sat 28-Sep-13 13:59:05

I would try her on other things (on medical advice) like fortified oat milk or lactose free milk. I would really avoid adding anything to her milk to make it more palatable as you could find yourself stuck doing it for years! Whatever you choose to use could be given in a sippy cup so there's no confusion.

nickelbabe Sat 28-Sep-13 14:06:31

you can get loads of nut milks, too ,which are also fortified with calcium. we have almond milk (which is good on cereal and in cooking), and hazelnut milk (which is great as a drink and on weetabix, and also as milkshake or hot chocolate)

nickelbabe Sat 28-Sep-13 14:07:15
SquidgersMummy Sat 28-Sep-13 14:23:06

Dear all - thanks for the ideas. Well I mixed up a cup of the Nutramigen and FFS I have never smelt or tasted anything like it...no amount of anything could make it pleasant though I would imagine a small baby would take to it and then just be used to it. However I like the idea of the calcium enriched oat stuff or goats milk. We have a hosp appt on thurs so I will be really insistent we need to see a dietician. We need to stop the feeding to sleep anyway as it makes naps difficult these days. I will report back on what they say at the hosp. Many thanks all thanks XX

NothingsLeft Sat 28-Sep-13 14:25:43

Breast milk has more lactose in than cows milk so a lactose free milk won't help the problem.

Nut milk are high in salt and none of the non dairy milks, kara, oatly, nut milks are suitable as a substitute under two years as they are not calorific enough.

From a year, they need 300-500mls a day to meet their calcium needs, rather than a pint.

Artandco Sat 28-Sep-13 14:41:40

Nothing- over a year they don't actually 'need' any milk as can gain all calcium from other sources ie green leafy veg. An alternative milk ie oat milk is just so they have something similar and many are fortified with calcium as mentioned above.

Maybe try goats milk/ cheese and see how she goes with it also. Nut butters, avocados, are all easily calories for young children if needed.

NothingsLeft Sat 28-Sep-13 15:28:22

The nhs recommend milk until they are two, in order to meet their calcium and calorie needs. 300-500mls includes yogurts, cheese etc if they can tolerate them.

Leafy greens, apricots and other high sources of calcium are good but most toddlers won't eat enough to meet their needs. If they do, it can impact in their calorie intake as they are not calorific enough but will fill them up.

Oatly and other milks are fine but are the equivalent of semi-skimmed milk which isn't recommended until two. Goats milk & soy proteins are similar in structure to cows milk proteins so can cause reaction too.

It's a bit of a mine field really, hence why most health professionals recommend a hydrolysed formula. Getting an older baby to take it is another thing though!

galwaygirl Sat 28-Sep-13 20:11:56

I have had to taste the nutramigen going through airports to show its not anything dodgy so I know how horrible it tastes wink

Definitely ask to speak to a dietician. I do think goats will probably be out as others have said but plant based stuff should be fine.

nickel sorry to be snappy - the IVF probably leapt out to me as a veteran!

MrsSpencerReid Sat 28-Sep-13 20:20:26

Aptamil pepti is not quite as dairy free as nutramigen but tastes way better so might be worth a try, we mix DS' with anything and everything to get him to drink it!! Good luck with this a baby no2!

pootlebug Sat 28-Sep-13 20:24:11

Both my elder two stopped breastfeeding of their own accord at 13 months. Neither drunk cows milk....they had a bit on cereal but that was it. I made sure they got other sources of calcium but didn't let it worry me too much. Plenty of people in the world don't have the must-have-a-ton-of-milk-for-calcium culture that we do and people seem just fine.

Slavetominidictator Sat 28-Sep-13 20:30:25

I know nothing about allergies am afraid. However, I know nipple stimulation (like your dd does to get to sleep) can keep your prolactin levels high when that's what you're trying to lower by giving up breastfeeding so that you're in the best position to give your next ivf round a good chance of working. Just suggesting that if you're going to all this trouble, you might want to try and get her to tweak something else if at all possible. I know it's tough giving up bfing for the next (potential) baby. Very best of luck with stopping and with ivf.

NothingsLeft Mon 30-Sep-13 12:50:31

Your right pootle lots of people live happily dairy free, which is much healthier IMO. Breastfeeding well into toddlerhood is the norm in lots of those cultures. So they are still chugging down milk, the the human kind.

Hope you're having some success with the formula Op. smile

LatinForTelly Mon 30-Sep-13 14:31:22

When my DS was put on Neocate at 7 months old, his dietician told me to buy 'Crusha' shock to add to it. It's an artificial milkshake flavouring thingy.

I couldn't find it, so added glucose in the end. Neocate is revolting, but he did drink it. And it wasn't a problem nutritionally; he'd had desweetened glucose and emulsified oils added to another formula already as calorie supplements.

Hope you find something that works for you both.

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