Making up night feeds??

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BettyBoo246 Sun 18-Aug-13 18:10:48

Hi all
I am looking for advice on how every other mum makes up their night feeds?? I'm being told so many different things its confusing sad
I am currently giving lo (2wks old) the ready made cartons but this is turning out to be very expensive as I only use half then have to throw the other half away after 2hrs.
How does everyone else make up their night feeds? Can I boil the water and pour into 4 bottles then just add formula wen he wakes (he does drink at room temp) or make then up completely and keep in fridge and then warm up when needed? Any advice will be helpful smile

5madthings Sun 18-Aug-13 18:20:21

If you only put half the milk from the carton into the bottle you can then put the rest of the carton in the fridge and keep it fro 24hrs?

You cannot add the powder to cold water it must be hot.

You could make the bottles in advance say when you are going to bed, flash cool them in a bowl of cold water and then put in fridge to heat when needed.

Or what to did was have two bottles one I filled to half the quantity I needed with cooled boiled water. Had that upstairs with me and a flaks that kept the water HOT is 70 def hot that I took up to bed with me, along with an empty bottle.

At feed time I would measure put half the amount I needed of hot water into the empty bottle so a 6oz feed I would have 3oz of cooled water in one bottle then in the empty bottle I would pour 3oz of hot water, the tip all six scoops of the powder (pre measured in a little pot) into the hot water and shake well, then add the cold water that you already have measured out and shake well. This makes it drinkable temp, you may need to fiddle around with quantities of hot/cold until you find the right balance, sometimes its 1/3 hot and 2/3 cold but always add the powder to hot water.

joanna0211marie Sun 18-Aug-13 20:53:47

Best thing I ever did was buy a tommee tippee perfect prep, takes 2 minutes to make a bottle and it's at the perfect temperature so no need to cool, just have a look on amazon and read the description, it is FANTABULOUS!!! They're quite pricey but I think it's on offer at 79.99 (typical as I paid full price a few weeks ago!) x

BettyBoo246 Sun 18-Aug-13 21:17:57

That does look good! Does it really only take 2 mins tho? Do you keep yours in your room? A couple of reviews say the beeping is quite loud! I will def look it up abit more on Internet as it is a bit pricey but so are the cartons lol!

OP so glad you started this thread as I'm wondering the same thing.
Currently giving cartons, but they are expensive.
Just bought tub of powder and really don't see how we're going to manage boiling kettle, leaving it to cool for 30 mins, making bottle then allowing to cool (but using immediately) as advised on box. I will spend all day doing this. At least your baby isn't fussed on temp, my ds will only take warm bottles!
Very grateful for any tips (sorry to gate crash thread)

MrsWooster Mon 19-Aug-13 06:17:55

You can add powder to cold water so make up a batch of water bottles and use as needed.

DontCallMeDaughter Mon 19-Aug-13 06:24:04

MrsWooster, these days the advice is that the powder has to be added to water at 70deg or higher to kill bacteria then cooled to drinking temp..... We did the same thing as a previous poster, add pre-measured powder to smaller amount of hot water and then add cooled boiled water.

AmIGoingMad Mon 19-Aug-13 06:33:55

Hey little miss!

Last time around we only used ready made as I couldn't get my head around how we'd cope with the faff of making up feeds.

This time I'm making up in advance as per instructions on world health organisation website for what to do if you have to make up in advance.

I boil the water and make the feeds up pretty soon after its boiled (you can leave it cool for up to 30 mins but don't have to wait the full 30). I then flash cool and put them in fridge. When Dd wants milk I stand bottle in pan of very warm water for couple of mins while I'm changing nappy.
If we're going out I was using cartons but am now putting a made up feed straight from fridge into insulated pouch in change bag. If dd wants feeding within hour and half (sge takes about half hour to get through bottle) of milk leaving fridge, she has that. If not she has the standby carton.

I know I was stressing about deviating from guidelines but seeing that section on world health org made me feel better about it. I know its not the ideal but the making up as needed technique feels like its constant and with a baby who likes to keep us on our toes by varying time between feeds every feed it wasn't working for us.

I'd love to get the tommee tippee but could never convince DH so this is the way that works for us and my sanity.

Of course- when the health visitor asks, I'm making feeds up when needed. Although I have admitted to making up night feeds in advance and she didn't seem too horrified!

Sorry for essay! Hope it helps!

joanna0211marie Mon 19-Aug-13 07:30:00

It takes about a minute, the beeping is ok and baby will be awake anyway! It's fairly small so you could take it up to your bedroom on a night and back to the kitchen on a morning, all my friends whose babies are past the bottlefeeding age are jealous this wasn't around when they were doing night feeds, and if u think that guidelines also want you to boil the kettle with a fresh 1 litre of water every time and u only use 120ml!! It's cost effective in the long run coz you'll save on wasted water and electric, my baby hasn't cried in the night for weeks because im always to quick ..... Ps im not a spokesman for tommee tippee lol :-D

MyDaydream Mon 19-Aug-13 07:42:49

We made up all the bottles at once, put them in a sink of cold water to cool quickly then in the fridge then heat up when needed. We have a cheap bottle warmer I found reduced in TK Maxx for the heating. In the early days when the bottles were smaller by the time I'd changed the nappy the milk was ready.

Thanks AmI
Once the bottles are in fridge how long can you keep them for?

No chance of persuading dh to get the TT perfect prep after spending £100 on a breast pump that's now going to sit in a box somewhere.

MyDaydream Mon 19-Aug-13 08:37:20

I read it was 24 or 48 hours, I can't remember, but we make up 4 at a time because our steriliser holds that many bottles.

5madthings Mon 19-Aug-13 08:51:20

The shorter the time in the fridge the better, I think they say for 24hrs is open days worth of feeds, I wouldn't do longer than that, in fact probably less ie 12hrs, so make them in the evening before going to bed,'cool and in fridge.

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 08:54:52

Fine to make in advance and store in fridge.

beckslovestimmy Mon 19-Aug-13 08:55:26

I make up my bottles for the next day last thing at night. For a 6oz bottle I put 6 scoops in the bottle, then use a clean bottle to measure 3oz of boiling water. Give it a good shake then add 3 oz of cold water from the tap. Flash cool in a bowl of water and into the fridge. When needed I microwave for 20sec then give it a really good shake (20sec only takes the chill off so if you want it warm you'd have to microwave for longer) smile

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 08:58:05

AmI - you are doing it to the guidelines though smile

(p.s. if you get a good cool bag and a bigger ice pack you can keep a ready made bottle in it for up to 4 hours - ok,prob not when it was boiling hot here, but try it - you'll find it stays fridge temp for ages)

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 09:00:30

Becks - just make up with the full amount of boiling water and stand in the kitchen sink to flash cool. No need to faff around adding cold water (and would water out of the tap even be sterile?)

lozster Mon 19-Aug-13 09:42:27

It's a pain in the bum and/or wallet. When other half is working I go for cartons. You can leave them in the fridge 24 hrs once open.

Just to be clear for mums of older children, the Dvice on bottle prep changed in 2005 to advise preparing one bottle at a time as needed.apparently this has vastly reduced admissions to hospital due to d&v.

I did a web chat the other day with a cow and gate advisor. She advised filling a flask with water for overnight or or and about. Apparently this is ok for 6 hours.

I'm going to look at those links for WHO and tommy tippee. I am mixed feeding after my baby was admitted to hospital after ebf. The gaff with bottles was exactly what I wanted to avoid. I can see the temptation to batch prepare especially if you have done this before advise changed. Personally as my ds has already spent 4 days on a drip due to feeding problems, I just daren't take the risk however small yet.

AmIGoingMad Mon 19-Aug-13 10:13:15

Thanks robot! I will look into the cool bag and see if I can get one small enough for lugging around with my huge change bag grin

Lozster- I believe the Nhs guidelines have always ( in the last 10years) been to make up as you need. The guidelines I'm talking about are the current world health organisation ones so I'm happy they are valid. I would link but haven't a clue how to on phone! Dd is nearly 7 weeks and no issues as yet though I do appreciate what you're saying. I think the bigger risk is to make the feeds with water that's been boiled but cooled so is cold when adding the powder as that wouldn't kill the bacteria in the fomrula.

Little miss- like someone else said- I make 4 at a time which will last us around 12ish hours

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 10:18:21

AmI - there's an Avent one. Its designed for 2 bottles, but if you just put in one cold bottle and a cool pack it works v well. Make sure the bottle has been in the fridge for 2 hours and is properly chilled through.

Lozster - I thought the NHS guidelines had changed too,and were in line with the WHO ones. Not sure though, will have to Google.

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 10:28:25

Hmm think you're right, can't find anything very specific.

This page mentions it though and says:

"What if I need to transport a made-up feed?
If it isn't possible to follow the advice above or if you need to transport a feed (for example, to a nursery), prepare the feed at home and cool it for at least one hour in the back of the fridge.
Take it out of the fridge just before you leave and carry it in a cool bag with an ice pack, and use it within four hours. If you do not have an ice pack, or access to a fridge, the made-up infant formula must be used within two hours.
If made-up formula is stored in a fridge, use within 24 hours.
If made-up formula is stored in a cool bag with an ice pack, use within four hours.
If made-up formula is stored at room temperature, use within two hours."

BettyBoo246 Mon 19-Aug-13 12:13:30

It's so confusing and they change the rules every 5 mins! Think until I can convince dp to buy tommee tippee pp I will make them up by boiling and adding formula then storing in fridge and heat up wen needed for now! Does anyone use the microwave to heat up or is that a definite no no?

water out of the tap doesn't NEED to be sterile. It doesn't contain the harmful bacteria found in the powder.

In fact, provided the bottles are clean and without milk residue, they don't have to be sterile either and tbh, whatever you don they won't be truly sterile anyhow.

FoofFighter Mon 19-Aug-13 12:27:56

Just stand in a jug of hot water, only takes a few mins, and safer than microwave where you can get hotspots.

microwave is fine if done safely. The liquid heats unevenly so you need to give it a good shake to dilute any hot spots.

however you must remember that when you heat anything up to body temp you speed up the rate the bacteria multiplies so use it quickly and don't leave it hanging around.

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 12:54:34

Hence the question mark Starlight. Was just thinking that if you're storing them then its prob best to be as clean as possible, no?

If you're using straight away then its probably ok? I have no idea! Seems strange to be adding cold tap water to formula when there's no need though.

cupcake78 Mon 19-Aug-13 12:54:50

We use sterile bottles and fill with boiling water, seal and cool, put in thermos bags. Formula is put in pots, ready measured and added as needed. We use it there and then any left over is thrown out.

Yes the water is cold!

I've done this with both my children and they have been ok! Surely adding none sterile powder to warm water (ie half cold, half hot water) is the ideal breeding environment for bacteria.

5madthings Mon 19-Aug-13 13:00:12

your children may well have bern fine but some babies have been veru ill and some have died.

the new advice lessons the chance of a baby getting ill.

you dont add powder to lukewarm water you add it to hot 70 deg. the half hot half cold technique is adding all the powderto the hot water and then adding the rest if the pre measured cold water to cool the milk quickly. but the powder is mixex with the hot water first to kill bugs/bacteria in the powder.

lozster Mon 19-Aug-13 13:35:27

The nhs advice on this is crystal clear - do not pre-prepare bottles as it increases the risk of d&v. Anything else increases the risk. The WHO guidelines are interesting but they are a second best to the nhs guideline and will increase the risk to your baby. Increasing risk does not mean that your baby WILL get sick so the anecdotes of 'my child was ok' are irrelevant. At the moment I can't accept the increased risk on behalf of my 3 week old as he has already had a spell in hospital due to feeding problems. When he gets older, I'm sure I will feel less risk averse.

5madthings Mon 19-Aug-13 13:47:52

You are right to be cautious lozsterits small babies or ones that have already been Ill that are more at risk.

Making up fresh is best, the making it in advance, flash cooling and in fridge is then your best option for if you can't make it fresh.

The 50/50 method where you mix the powder with hot water and then add the pre measured cooled water is a good way of making a feed quickly and still adhering to guidelines smile

Hope your little one is OK now xxx

lozster Mon 19-Aug-13 13:58:10

m.toysrus.co.uk/Babies-R-Us/Feeding/Bottle-Feeding/Accessories/Tommee-Tippee-Closer-To-Nature-Perfect-Prep-Machine/0105442

Here's a link for the tommee tipee if anyone is interested. I may mail cow and gate to see if they think it matches nhs guidelines. It does seem to operate on the the hot plus cold method someone described above, albeit with filtered water. (Would I trust the filter??). May also mention it to the health visitor and see what she thinks re: meeting guidelines. Mind you, you can buy quite a lot of cartons with 80 quid.... So wonder if its worth it in terms of investment?

lozster Mon 19-Aug-13 14:02:02

Sorry, cross posted there 5. The tommee tippee does seen to be an automated version of the 50:50 method you mention. So if it is ok, then so must the manual 50:50 method be ? confused

5madthings Mon 19-Aug-13 14:07:00

Yes the tommee tippe machine does it for you I think. Mixes the powder with a small amount of hot, 70deg water then tops it up to the right amount.

Not sure how it works but seems a clever ,machine bit expensive!

For the amount to time you are making overnight feeds etc not sure it would b worth it?

The 50/50 manual method is fine as long as you mix the powder with the hot water and shake well and then add the cool water that you have pre-measured. The pre measuring is important so you get the right ratio of water to formula smile

5madthings Mon 19-Aug-13 14:08:19

I think hcps son recommend the 50/50 technique as its more fiddly? And you have to be sure to measure out the water correctly etc? So more chance for error, but provided you are careful its fine smile

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 14:38:24

But if you're doing the 50:50 method do you have to use cooled boiled water, or would tap water actually be ok? confused

BettyBoo246 Mon 19-Aug-13 14:53:10

Was just about to ask the same robothamster! If doing the 50/50 with normal cold water from the tap it wouldn't be sterile anymore?
The tommee tippee pp says its cold water that is added is filtered, but I do feel like I'd b paying £80 for something that basically just gives you the right temp water :/

BettyBoo246 Mon 19-Aug-13 14:57:46

I'm really wary of microwaving because of hotspots but all friends av told me they do/did it for literally 10 seconds then just shake vigorously, just Not sure with lo only being 2wks old sad
Av you always done it this way starlightmckenzie?

Why would it have to be sterile?

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 14:59:34

If you were keeping the bottles in the fridge.

When I bottlefed I did the 50/50. I measured out the powder into separate containers ready for overnight/going out and then added the powder to a measured amount of very hot water (prefilled kettle upstairs or thermos flask out and about, - toping up with cold. I then discarded any leftover.

I used whatever water was going, though avoided mineral as much as possible (stagnant stored water or high mineral content being the things to worry about there).

BettyBoo246 Mon 19-Aug-13 15:07:50

So as long as the powder is mixed with hot boiled water it's ok to use normal cold water as any poss bacteria will have already been killed when using the hot water?

5madthings Mon 19-Aug-13 15:22:49

yes i think thats right op as in the uk water is ok. if you were in another country where you werent sure of water quality then you should boil the water.

Yes. You boil the water to make certain that it contains no harmful bacteria. But I was always certain that the water out of my tap didn't.

I think the bit about using cooled boiled water is a clever marketing trick to take the focus off the potential harm of the formula and encourage us to believe it is the water that is the worry.

AmIGoingMad Mon 19-Aug-13 15:55:29

Don't the health advisory boards in the different countries base their advice on WHO guidelines?

That said though lozster I can definitely understand where you're coming from. The absolute gold standard would definitely be to make as required. The 50/50 method seems to be a quicker variation on this. I agree that the 'mines been fine on this method' isn't scientific. For us, I'm happy that we're using the method that works for us. And think that its one way of making life a bit more manageable without harming our little one.

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 16:40:44

So there isn't bacteria in tap water then? Hmm not sure about adding tap water to feeds that I'd store. I'll just make them up with boiled water then flash cool.

CPtart Mon 19-Aug-13 16:44:43

Made up with boiling water as normal, stored in fridge and last person to bed brought up with it stored in bottle carrier. Heated up in bottle warmer at bedside in the night when needed.

There's bacteria in tap water.

It's just not potentially fatal to babies.

Fairylea Mon 19-Aug-13 16:49:58

I have two dc and have always prepared small batches of bottles in advance using water that has just been boiled. I then put the bottles in a sink full of cold water until cold to touch and then stored them in the fridge.

When needed I would warm them in the microwave for about 20-30 seconds and swirled very very well (don't shake as this can cause air bubbles which can make colic and reflux worse).

I don't think there is any real risk with microwaving bottles as long as you only do it till they are Luke warm (ie not hot to touch) and swirl very, very well.

RobotHamster Mon 19-Aug-13 16:54:43

Why do you have to boil tap water for babies to drink? (i know they can have plain tap water from 6mo)

Not sure why I care smile

BikeRunSki Mon 19-Aug-13 17:03:54

You need. Fridge- to -Go, will look for a link. I used to make up bottles for the next day in the e ending, with 70 degree water and flashed cooled. Then I put them in the fridge, and would take 2 to bed in the fridge to go. I'd warm them up under the hot tap in the bathroom as needed.

BikeRunSki Mon 19-Aug-13 17:09:03
BikeRunSki Mon 19-Aug-13 18:54:34

You have to boil the water to make up formula to sterilise the powder. Even if it were packed in.a sterile environment, it stops being sterile once the tin is open.

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