How to stay awake during night feeds part 10!

(626 Posts)
abi2790 Mon 20-May-13 07:12:20

Brand new thread grin

abi2790 Mon 20-May-13 07:15:41

Ds was up at 10, 11:30, 3:30 and 6:30. I can't wait until he goes back to sleeping through! I've tried to co-sleep this morning but looks like he's up for the day.

lazzaroo Mon 20-May-13 08:01:50

So tired I can't even remember what happened last night! Dd1 slept all night & no sick, so that's good. Dd2 fed at 10.30. I think she went down in cot after that. But can't remember when she woke after that, but she came in with me then. She woke at 4.50am! Didn't go back to sleep till 6.10! and then for just half an hour!

DH has to stay away extra day so he's not back till Thurs. That means he'll have been gone 5 days this week. More importantly 4 nights! sad

Thank you for thread abi
lazza 4 nights on your own... Have a brew or several. You deserve a medal too.
Back later. On way to work.

larlemucker Mon 20-May-13 08:44:12

Crap nights had all round last night then!!

MrsNPattz Mon 20-May-13 08:49:28

Thanks for the new thread Abi!

Usual night for us!

Newmum2013 Mon 20-May-13 10:20:22

Well looks like little man has started a new routine of not going to sleep til at least midnight! We attempted an early night as he was asleep. As soon as we went up and put him in his crib he was wide eyed!

lazzaroo Mon 20-May-13 13:01:48

Cheers goat but I don't think I deserve anything. Today I am thoroughly fed up. Fed up of the sleepless nights, fed up of breastfeeding, fed up of her 40min naps, fed up of the house being a mess etc etc

That's all. Rant over. As you were!

lazza can I join you in your fedupness?
Sleepless nights - check
Short naps - check
Messy house - check
And I add work and their "Oh, could you just do this... Oh and this... After all you can't have much to do coming back off maternity leave..."

And breeeeathe.
Hear that glugglugglugglug sound? It's coming from my house. Since it's virtual I will share with anyone who wants!

SoYo Mon 20-May-13 18:48:20

Last night was minimally fun here! Bed at 9.30, up at 1 (bonus)....then up at 2.30, 4, 5.30, 7 so after 1 didn't sleep longer than 40mins! Fun fun fun. On the plus side the GPs came up today & helped me clean house/walk dog/look after bubs & then went into town with DM & finally got a dress to wear for this weekend's wedding that I can BF in! Did cost £££ though...oops.

abi2790 Mon 20-May-13 18:54:47

Evening ladies. Ds is having his bedtime feed now. He tried a little sweet potato mash this afternoon and had a chomp on some banana.

DP has me worried now because ds has had what looks like a dribble rash on his chest for ages but it seems to have gotten on his back, face and forehead. I told him it's just a dribble rash but he thinks I should take him to see the gp tomorrow. What would you guys do?

I'm definitely feeling fed up too lazza. I thought starting weaning a little early would stop the constantly attached to ds 24 hours a day and not being able to get anything done but he still insists on constantly feeding and refusing to sleep anywhere but on me in the daytime. I'm really hoping for a good night tonight. I don't know how much longer I can go without bursting into tears sad

lazzaroo Mon 20-May-13 19:56:56

Not just me then! To be fair to them both, they could make it so much harder in the day. They're pretty good most days. Just makes me feel even more guilty for being so tired & useless!

Both in bed now. Who knows how long for?! I should go to sleep but feel like there's little point, babylazza's mummy sleep sensor will kick in approx 10mins after I fall asleep wink

abi if the rash has spread I might be inclined to check it out. Could it be reaction to something? Or heatrash maybe? We have a nurse practitioner at our practice, so anything I feel needs checking but maybe not need Dr I try to see her. Maybe you could do something similar?

soyo a true measure f my tiredness....when I first read your post I thought 'how the hell has she got the doctors to do all that'! Then my brain clicked into gear smile

Good luck all for tonight!

abi2790 Mon 20-May-13 21:32:20

Good idea Lazza. I think I'm going to get him weighed tomorrow so I will ask then if there's someone I can see without having to see a gp.

Ds is finally asleep. I think he's decided he likes to sleep on his front. Should I leave him to sleep on his front? He's on his back atm but he keeps waking himself getting onto his front.

abi2790 Tue 21-May-13 01:57:16

First feed here. Eyes are so stingy sad.

Hope everyone is having a good night.

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 02:01:36

Also on first feed - can't quite focus my eyes. Knew I was in for a disturbed night because DD was really sleepy today and too much sleep. I hope she lasts through now...

roisin18 Tue 21-May-13 02:08:36

It's not so much the getting up in the night that I am finding difficult, it's the length of time I am up for! I find myself pleading with baby just to go back to sleep! hmm a lot of the time it is because he won't bring his wind up! I try and try and try and he just won't burp!! It drives me crazy! Then when I finally give up and put him down he squirms like his is uncomfortable with wind and finally wakes up and cries!! It is sooo frustrating! I do feel sorry for him too though as it can't be nice to have a sore tummy in bed! I can't wait till he doesn't have to burp after feeds!! How long do I have to wait??? Xx

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 02:41:17

Same dilemma here roisin. She's now asleep on my shoulder, no burp and i'm not going to risk changing her as it'll take me another 30 mins to get her back to sleep. Possible transfer fail but I think i'm going to risk it (for a chocolate biscuit biscuit )

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 03:34:28

Wow. Epic transfer fail. Just experienced meltdown. Winded and changed but screamed the house down (DH snoring but will claim interrupted sleep come the morning). Just stopped but not asleep yet - proper fidgety. Not coping well on 2 hours sleep envy

SoYo Tue 21-May-13 04:31:43

Any & Ro that's crappy, hope you're asleep now! I burp her halfway through her night feeds but not at the end, but then again we have a lot if fails too so maybe I should!

We had a difficult time getting madam to sleep last night and she settle in her cot but woke up 30 mins later. Finally got her down in her Moses basket just before 11 & she's only just woken up! It's been weeks since she went 5hrs.....amazing! Would only have been better if I hadn't been waking up since 2 expecting her to wake up & didn't now have sore boulder boobs, but I'll take both of these gladly!

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 04:45:33

My posts from earlier seem to have vanished hmm

Ladies if you are breast feeding and have a good latch you don't actually need to burp baby as they don't take in any air.

Shitty night here. Started up in cot but up every hour. Epic transfer fail so back in bed with us!

lazzaroo Tue 21-May-13 05:08:17

Well, by our standards last night wasn't too bad. Fed at 11.30 & 2.30 and has been in her cot all night BUT she woke at 4.30 & despite desperately trying to feed her back to sleep, is wide awake! She didn't wake crying I just heard her babbling & squealing confused she can't possibly be happy to start the ay at 4.30 (I'm not!) but I've ended up getting up with her as I worry she'll wake dd1.

I never get any wind out f her at night, despite vague efforts. Probably why she ends up farting for about an hour when she first gets up. I also don't change her nappy unless I know it's dirty.

I have found though that if she's a bit flappy when I first out her down, I turn her onto her side. Usually sends her straight off. Could be worth a try?

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 06:18:20

Thanks lazza - It's worth a go. Took me almost an hour earlier to calm her down and she doesn't usually have a problem but it must have been trapped wind as she burped as soon as I picked her up and then kept farting while I tried to get her back to sleep. I only changed her as she was awake anyway!
We've had some reasonable night recently and i'd forgotton what it was like only sleeping in two hour chunks. Holy crapola. And if she's like this because she slept a bit yesterday, I don't really want her to sleep much today (except I do, or i'm going to fall over a lot) so i'm screwed. And DH is working today so can't keep her entertained for a couple of hours while I sleep envy brew brew brew

lazzaroo Tue 21-May-13 06:34:26

Well, she went back to sleep at 5.30 so I dozed on the sofa with her till she woke at 6.15am. Not sure what to do about these early wakes. Dd1 went through a phase f eaking at 5.15am and it went on forever! Would be easier to keep her upstairs if I didn't have to worry about dd1. The thought of both of then awake before 5am is the stuff of nightmares!

Have a good day all.

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 07:13:31

Sorry I haven't posted recently. I feel so exhausted during the night.
Will catch up on posts later today.
Supreme transfer fail last night. I feel like I'm never going to be able to put her to bed. How do ppl do it? Just put baby in their cot in the evening and they sleep for a good few hours, or even until the morning? Seriously. I have no idea. I clearly have serious parental failings as I can't do this. 'm just waiting for the rally of comments in a few months from ppl suggesting I just let her cry (I can remember the with ds. It's soul destroying and makes it impossible to talk to anyone about I'm feeling or what I'm doing with dc)
Now of course, following the news report about risks of bed sharing I'm paranoid about night feeds. I can't stay awake while I'm feeding and she doesn't settle in her cot. So I guess I just have to sit up on a cold floor or something and nev ever ever go to sleep.
Well, that's a plan at least.

Off to read your posts with my morning coffee.

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 08:20:01

Well, i've just been told. DD up again an hour ago - wide awake. Tried getting her back to sleep but no, it's daytime now. DH offers kindly 'there there - give her to me' and has a minute or two before saying 'i'm late.for work' and spending the next 10 minutes telling me what I should be doing. Apparently:
I should go to bed earlier
I should try and do more things for myself (like the laundry, cleaning, tidying, etc)
I should make dinner before she goes to bed instead of eating at 9pm every night (in conjunction with the previous two points)
I should spend less time sitting on the sofa watching Jeremy Kyle (when i'm feeding her?)
I should try and sleep more during the day (as she doesn't sleep for longer than 30 mins, no point especially if I need to do something for myself - see above)
All of which begs the question - what the $ۤ% does he think I do all day? He told me that other mothers can't live in an untidy house and have no time for themselves. Of course not. I suspect i'm the only one. How awful of me. (Btw - I do slag him off on here because he is a bit of a s*it, but I obviously love him and he's just a bit ignorant and doesn't know quite what to say when i'm a snivelling mess, but then who would?)
Time for a brew so I can put my feet up.... hmm

abi2790 Tue 21-May-13 08:28:28

I am shattered! Ds has been awake since 6 and fed fine for about 20 minutes but then wouldn't stop screaming. I've finally managed to rock him to sleep but I wish I could go back to sleep for an hour.

I think the news about SIDS this morning is very hard hitting. In the first few weeks I felt horrible for falling asleep with ds but my midwife/ hv said not to feel bad and it was okay occasionally. Now I sometimes bring him into bed with me early in the morning when he refuses to go back to sleep. The man on BBC breakfast is horrible. He just basically said if you have been trying for a baby for a while it would be terrible to wake to "a dead baby in your arms." Why say that?! I though co-sleeping had benefits whilst breast feeding?!

MrsNPattz Tue 21-May-13 09:00:25

Only awake once here last night!! smile We co slept again, also worried about the reports this morning although it's always been claimed that there is more of a risk when co sleeping hasn't it?

re the news story on bed sharing. It says 22% of SIDS deaths are down to bed sharing, but 88% of those were avoidable if the sharing had been done correctly. So talk about scaremongering - its not the sharing that is the problem but doing it unsafely. I was majorly pissed off by this one! Ultra pissed off too about all the stuff that says its extra dangerous for prems - there is no research that backs this up, or at least no research that discounts the fact that prems are more likely to have other things wrong with them anyway.

Bah humbug. Sorry for rant. I just get so annoyed by the myriad things showered upon us about how wrong we are doing things as parents. Everyone else seems to know better!

And breathe. Sorry. Will shuffle away gently now...

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 09:04:12

any you can assure him that I too am sitting in an untidy house feeding my baby.
If I get "time to myself" it will be by taking dd out for a long walk in her pram. Then she gets a decent nap and I gt some fresh air, exercise and head space. There is no time of actual respite tbh. But I do enjoy the walks.
I will make dinner but I make something for about 5pm so ds can eat. Anyone who doesn't want to eat then can have a reheated meal or a take away. I would not be able, ever, to get a meal ready for 7 or 8 if I hadn't per-cooked it. Never, never, ever.
Never, ever.

Send him round here for a day and he'll soon realise how goodhe has it at home. grin

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 09:08:00

The SIDS news has stressed me out.
I was aware of the issue but always kidded myself that dd would be ok as I don't drink and neither of us smoke etc.
I think more detail on the subject would be helpful tbh.
Now I am ore determined to get her to settle in her cot.
How the hell that's gonna happen I don't know.

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 09:09:45

Good point goats

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 09:24:55

Same here Emily. I'm now worried what we will do as he doesn't sleep for longer than an hour in his cot. Surely severe sleep deprivation is more dangerous?

MrsNPattz Tue 21-May-13 10:26:07

Goat I'm glad you have put some perspective on the subject, thank you! I always do it safely - little man goes on top of the duvet and away from the pillow, and we sleep on a futon which is floor level (not that a normal bed is unsafe, but it's just me and little man in bed so he's not blocked in).

I do it purely to get more sleep, not because little man won't settle in the cot! So I'm maybe being selfish sad

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 11:03:50

I've not co-slept as DH is a spread out sleeper so there's only just enough room for me blush but I think if you're comfortable doing it, and it works for you, why is it wrong? A dummy is said to reduce SIDS so by not giving DD one, am I doing her harm? No! If there was an absolute right way of doing things, a manual would be handed to you on the labour ward and none of us would be able to 'get it wrong'. Whoever it was said that sleep deprivation is worse was spot on.

lazzaroo Tue 21-May-13 11:06:43

any I'm just sat on the sofa with a cup of tea watching This morning....oh, I'm feeding little one, my tea is cold because I made it ages ago & not had chance to drink it, the latest nap was just 30mins so I'm surrounded by half finished jobs, I've dropped dd1 at pre-school & been to the shops etc etc Feel free to send DH around if he wants to see a house truly in chaos! wink

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 11:10:07

And thanks Em - i'm shocked that it's not just me shock . Shocked I tell you.

He suggested something 'simple' for dinner so tonight, it's pasta bake a la microwave. Yum.

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 11:18:17

And you lazza? Really? I don't believe it. Cold coffee - yup. Dead flowers in a vase that I stare at whilst feeding and keep meaning to throw away - yup. That cobweb in the corner that I keep looking at too but never getting to it - yup. I might start a pinterest board of pictures of mothers during the day, just so I can verify the normality of it. Or, I could secretly hire a cleaner. hmm

abi2790 Tue 21-May-13 11:40:30

I wouldn't worry about co-sleeping. I'm sure you and your babies is much more dangerous in the long run as there is an extremely small chance something could happen whilst co-sleeping which we all knew anyway.

Hope everyone has a good day smile.

abi2790 Tue 21-May-13 11:40:35

I wouldn't worry about co-sleeping. I'm sure you and your babies is much more dangerous in the long run as there is an extremely small chance something could happen whilst co-sleeping which we all knew anyway.

Hope everyone has a good day smile.

MrsNPattz Tue 21-May-13 12:05:59

Yea I don't give a dummy either Any!

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 12:47:22

No we don't use dummies although thinking of trying again to see if we can get back down to a couple of feeds a night.
Baby larle has his legs on top of duvet and we have a big gap between our pillows for his head and torso. He would have to roll quite a bit to be in the pillows.

Going to try having naps back in cot again. In really worried now. What to do????

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 12:48:06

Oh and I've recently read an article the boing group lady posted on FBI saying co-sleeping reduces SIDS

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 12:48:21

Booby not boing!!

SoYo Tue 21-May-13 13:05:45

I've just read the paper on co-sleeping and if your baby is older than 3mth & you have no other risk factors there isn't an additional risk. This paper doesn't actually talk about safe vs unsafe co-sleeping although others have & obviously duvets or pillows near baby make it unsafe and it's likely this has been a factor because the paper mentions that the coroner has listed a large amount of these deaths as suffocation. I'll try to link to the full text.

We co-sleep for a couple of hours in the morning with duvet & pillows well away from Bubs & as she's 3mths next week I'm not planning on stopping but I guess everyone has to decide what's the right thing for them.

Any I'm currently surrounded by a spotless house but that's because my parents came & cleaned yesterday blush, before that it was a sight! Plus I rarely cook dinner, if DH was waiting for that we'd be eating soup at 10pm every night! I have to admit I don't watch Jeremy Kyle, it's neighbours here and old episodes of friends and Fraser!

link to paper

So the results are in. I am a bad mummy because...
I co cleep
I ff from 16 weeks
I rock BG to sleep
I let him sleep on his front
I am an elderly first-time mum
I let him fall over when he is trying to pull himself up (has already learned to sit down in a hurry!)
I fed him purees only for a couple of months.

Excellent. BG only seems to think I am a bad mummy when I do something outrageous like... ooh, making him lie down for a nappy change. (Shock! Horror!)
I guess his opinion will do me. smile

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 14:18:16

Lol goat!!

abi2790 Tue 21-May-13 14:50:12

Haha Goat!

Had Ds weighed today and he's 17 lbs 10 now smile. I mentioned the rash and it seems it's either viral or heat rash. He has had these purple blotches on his right leg for a while though that were spotted by the nurse. I had gp look at them at his 8 week check but they were more red then. He's 25 weeks now and they're purple and when you press on his leg more appear which I hadn't noticed before. Taking him to gp tomorrow.

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 15:25:23

Hope it's nothing serious abi.

Am I a bad mummy as baby larle has just had no nappy time in the garden, in the mottled shade of the tree. God why do I do this to myself? Worried now that the 10 mins he didn't have a nappy on he might have got too much sun on his bits, even though he wasn't in direct sunlight.
FGS does the worrying/panicking ever stop?

abi2790 Tue 21-May-13 18:45:55

Thanks larle. And nope I never stop worrying about Ds!

Bedtime feed here finally. I'm shattered. I definitely need an early night!

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 19:57:01

grin goat another oldie here.
And my ds loves being cuddled to sleep. blush

Hey ho.
Dd is asleep on my lap. I am waiting for her to move into deep sleep before attempting transfer to her cot.
I will be trying to have her sleep in her cot, and it seems reasonable in the cold light of day. It's just so hard at night. Sleep consumes me wheni'm feeding. It's like saying to me " when that Lorry hits you don't fall down, just stay on your feet"
But I will try.
See you later.

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 19:58:25

Good luck with GP tomorrow abi

larlemucker Tue 21-May-13 19:58:34

Baby larle has had some apple mixed with his baby rice tonight and loved it!!
The only reason stuff didn't get swallowed was because he isn't very good at shutting his mouth!!

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 21:53:36

Ah larle how cute to think of him enjoying his tea.

Babythorne slept in her cot from 8pm until just now. Feeding.
I gave her a dummy when she stirred an hour ago and she settled.
Quite pleased with that.
I'm determined to get a good feed in.
But she's stopped already.

She's so cute.just woke up smiling.

Anypants Tue 21-May-13 21:59:15

em and goat - define elderly? Over 30? wink
DD finally asleep after pumping her full of boob for an hour but the usual screaming match shortly after putting her down. The good that I had my microwave dinner earlier and have already had a bath so i'm off for am early night!

Night night, sleep tight all. Hopefully catch you only when the sun comes up confused

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 00:31:10

On third feed already.
I don't understand why he can't sleep for longer than 2 hours on his cot.

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 02:05:06

Up again hmm

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 02:57:56

I am seriously struggling now. Every night I think it can't any worse, and it does. Don't actually remember being asleep at all tonight. I am exhausted, properly exhausted. Despite Being in with me since 11 she's fed on an off god knows how nany times and has now woken up. She's been awake since 2.30. Not interested in feeding, not crying, just awake.

I have been pacing with her for 25 mins but she's still awake and I'm in tears. The thought that it'll take e just as long to settle her as she'll sleep for doesn't help. Then I have to somehow get through the day and do it all over again tonight.

I've just put her in her cot & left her. She's not crying (I am!), so I'm just going to leave her for a bit. I love her to bits but I can't function like this for much longer. But what's the alternative? Sleep training? CIO? I don't even have the energy for that.

Sorry. Rant over.

Sparklyboots Wed 22-May-13 03:11:16

Hello all, new to this thread - DC2 (10 days oldd) is stretched across my lap having tortured DC1 into unhappy wakefulness. They are both bfing and tonight my nipples feel like they are made of blister. I want to go bed but don't want to wakes DC1 & DP (we are in a 1 bedroom flat)...

Lazzaroo why do you have to do anything about a wakeful baby who isn't crying? Popping her down to bed seems proper? HNRFT disclaimer

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 03:22:08

Because she won't go back to sleep on her own, because I can't think straight & because I can't go back to sleep until she does, and when she does go back to sleep it won't be for very long. Fortunately dd1 staying away tonight so I don't have to worry about waking her.

Sparklyboots Wed 22-May-13 03:30:04

Is next to you in bed so you can doze until required okay? You sound like you are at the end of your tether. If she's not sleepy being walked around won't help anyway. But if she's not unhappy, you lying down for 10 won't hurt her either

Shall I wake mine with a nappy change? we are full to bursting but I am loathe to wake a sleeping baby

SoYo Wed 22-May-13 03:30:49

Lazza how old is Bubs again? Has it always been like this or is this a sleep regression? Can you drift off if you're co-sleeping & leave her next to boob for feeing access in the hope that'll settle her? Hugs & brew. Is there anyone that could help you out during the day one day this week ie jut take her for a walk or out for a couple of hrs so you can get some kip? I ended up crying to my dad & my parents drove here one day last week to do that & it made a big difference.

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 03:32:08

Welcome sparklyboots and congratulations! Do you have twins?

lazza I second leaving her in cot if she'd not crying. If you lie down and close your eyes you might drift off.

Guess what...............

We're up again. Every flaming hour since 10pm shockhmm

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 03:34:45

Sorry sparkly I should have said welcome! And congrats on your new little one smile

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 03:43:24

Thanks all.she's just gone back o sleep. Got grumpy about 10 mins after I fell asleep! Bit of rocking & White noise got her off again but I haven't tried putting her down yet! She's got bad cold & I think her teeth are bothering her too.

She's 5 months & was not a bad sleeper to begin with. I'd say it's been pretty reliably awful since about 3 months. This week is particularly hard with DH away. I think I'm just suffering the cumulative effect of numerous night wakings & 4.30am get ups!

My parents have got dd1 overnight tonight so I'll try & catch up a bit in the morning when dd2 snoozes!

Better try and get some sleep in while I can.

Sparklyboots Wed 22-May-13 03:45:03

Thanks larle. No twins, just a very worried-about-sibling toddlrer. I'm sure you've heard of regression in older sibs ... potty training unaffected here - we;re expressing our regression through food.... Are you in a growth spurt? I am so tired I just ran my baby under the tap in a sort of poorly thought out commando nappy change.

Sparklyboots Wed 22-May-13 03:48:25

Thanks lazaroo My DS went through similar, was okay at night then sucked at it for a while. It's All 'Just' A Phase. Allbeit one in which your sanity is compromised

Emilythornesbff Wed 22-May-13 04:05:16


Oh lazz you poor thing. It's so awful when they won't settle and you're right, the cold and teeth won't be helping. I don't know what to say except that you know you'll feel better when tou've caught up on some sleep.
It's wretched isn't it. I really feel for you.

Dh is asleep and I am envy super plus. Ds will be up at 6. What are the chances of babythorne settling in her cot after this feed? I'm so scared of falling asleep withheld on me.

larlelooks like you're having a tough night. I hope you're sleeping now.

Hi sparklyboots congratulations and welcome.
Oh a brew would be so good right now.

Emilythornesbff Wed 22-May-13 04:21:01

Now waiting for that deep sleep so I can attempt a transfer. This is my danger zone for falling asleep. Although that's not too likely with dh snoring his head off.
Those bastard birds are up already angry
Beautiful dd sleeping in my arms. If only a nap was a possibility in the daytime. I miss naps.

HadALittleFaithBaby Wed 22-May-13 04:43:59

Hi all, can I join? DD aka Faithlet is 5 weeks old. We're BF although we've introduced a bottle of EBM in the evenings. We had a tough time settling her last night - took 2 hours BF and three attempts to transfer! - but she went down at 10.30 and slept til 4! shock Boobs were very full on waking. She's just feeding now.

Nice to meet you all smile

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 05:31:38

We're up again. Haven't slept for longer than an hour. Feel like crap.
Looks like we're back to co-sleeping.
I just don't know what to do for the best hmm

Hello faith welcome to the mad house and congratulations!

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 05:36:38

Oh sparkly don't think it's a growth spurt as he isn't feeding properly for very long and I know if I put him in with me he will sleep but after the news this morn I'm not sure whether too.

He also has a cold and it is teething lazza. Can just see the tip of one coming through!!

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 05:46:21

Morning faith and welcome!

larle you have my sympathies. I don't know what to do either.

Little lazza slept for 40mins till 4.20 & has been snoozing but unsettled & suckling since then. She's just woken up. Unless by some miracle she naps for longer than her usual 40mins, the best I can hope for are a couple of power naps before I collect dd1.

abi2790 Wed 22-May-13 05:56:03

Welcome Sparkly and Faith. Congrats on your new little ones.

Second feed here and I am shattered and aching everywhere. I can't believe Ds will be 6 months in just over a week but is still waking every 4 hours even though he had started sleeping through for about a week. Where did that go? Why are we going backwards? sad.

Anypants Wed 22-May-13 05:57:16

Welcome sparkly and faith
Sorry about the pretty awful nights being had. Can't offer any advice.other than what I did yesterday seemed to work to some extent. Having only had 4 hours sleep in twp chunks, it was hard but I stayed awake all day and managed to keep DD up too, except for a nap whilst walking round Tesco and another before bathtime. I don't think I fed her enough the day before so I made sure I got 6 feeds in, lasting at least 30 mins. The 7pm bedtime feed took an hour but filled her to the brim so i'm only now on first feed.
I feel for you and have the brew on - pne lump or two?

Newmum2013 Wed 22-May-13 05:58:19

Wow sounds like there's been some tough nights. Really hope it gets better soon for you ladies. Being a parent really is the toughest job in the world.

Ds didn't do too badly last night. After crying for what seemed like hours, he finally settled at 930 and slept til 230. Now up for second feed.

Hoping he sleeps more today as he only had 30mins yesterday. I worry that's not enough at 6wo??

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 09:08:22

larle out of interest, how much are you offering little one when eating?Baby lazza had some porridge for breakfast this morning, more popular than the rice smile

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 09:42:14

lazza last night I made up the baby rice with 1 spoon of rice and about 15 spoons of breast milk and added a spoon of apple.
Haven't tried the porridge yet.

Last night most of the time he was suckling for comfort so going to try with a dummy tonight

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 11:41:19

I really feel like these terrible nights and short naps are my fault.
Just been flicking through the baby whisperer and every page says that if your baby won't sleep in their cot, wakes frequently in the night, has short naps its due to 'accidental parenting' and to get them in a routine of napping for 2 hours etc...

So is it my fault he is like this? Should I have been more strict with his routine from the start? We do have a routine of a nap every 2-2.5 hours. Baby whisperer says at his age naps should be 3-4 hours apart.

Also I rock, walk, feed to sleep which she says I shouldn't do.

Am at a loss as to how to fix this. DS sleeps in our bed but I miss my DH, we always fall asleep cuddling and with DS in the bed we can't. We've DTD once since baby larle was born and I know it's frustrating DH.

This is all my fault, I have 7 weeks till I go back to work and I don't know how I'll cope if his sleeping doesn't improve hmmhmm

Anypants Wed 22-May-13 12:08:11

Did you do the quiz to find out which type of baby you have larle? Turns out I have a touchy baby so unfortunately I will rock her to sleep because that's the way it goes. Want to find someone with an 'angel' baby as they will most certainly be lying. Do what you have to and take bits from from the book but there's no way you can conform in every way hmm

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 12:26:58

Didn't see a quiz any, will have another look.

Baby larle is knackered, he has been asleep on me for an hour. If I put him in cot I wonder if he will wake up!

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 13:40:30

Thanks larle, that's about same as us. I don't think sleepless nights are your fault, although I understand your worrying as I go through all the same thoughts. Baby lazza doesn't nap for longer than an hour so I also try to stick to the 2 hour rule. It's a bit of a pain in the arse to put her down so regularly but it's my only choice. Toddler lazza was the same, and as she was my first I tied myself in knots trying to figure out what .I was doing wrong...why didn't she do the fAmous 2 hour lunch time nap. She just never did. I tried for a while trying to extend her naps but it just ended up being stressful, probably for her aswell as me!

Baby lazza had a long nap on me yesterday and still had a rubbish night! I also use the pushchair to get her to sleep or feed her to sleep. Eventually we'll probably have to do some sleep training, we did with toddler lazza, but it'll have to wait until she's older.

Judging by the amount of threads on here about it I really don't think frequent short naps are that unusual.

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 13:41:39

Oh, and work have approached me about returning early. I struggle to see how I'll do it at the moment too but will have to think about it.

NOT your fault larle . Really not. This is just another stuck with which to beat mums (can you tell I am on a bit of a soapbox at the moment?!) The same routine doesn't suit every baby - why should it, it doesn't suit all adults! Some babies need lots more physical contact. I have one of them too. Frankly, I would rather have this than a baby who didn't like cuddles! shock

And just remember that it's supposed to be the bright ones who don't sleep... grin

abi2790 Wed 22-May-13 15:47:06

Good news smile. it seems the purple blotches on his skin are just pigmentation marks. Plus the Dr also agreed the rash on his tummy and chest is either viral or heat rash.

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 16:10:30

Good news abi

I'm in the middle of a nap dilemma. Baby lazza woke from last nap at 3pm, meaning she'll be tired at 5ish. Do I squeeze in another sleep or try stretching her out & seeing if it helps tonight?! If she doesn't nap she'll be ready for bed by 6.30 (& getting there will be a struggle!) so is likely to fall asleep while feeding before taking full feed. If she sleeps, she still settles easily at 7ish but does she need to be more tired. I've also thought that well rested during the day = better night time but last night disproved that spectacularly!!

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 16:42:36

Glad it's nothing serious abi

Thank you goat, it is like he doesn't want to fall asleep incase he misses something!

Think watching me clean the fridge and the dog run round the garden had tired him out!!

lazza not sure what to try. However it looks like baby larle is about to have another nap so we might be in the same situation!

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 16:59:57

Well, she's yawning & rubbing her eyes but is getting in a right state if I try and settle her in the pushchair. Might cheat & see if she'll have a sleepy feed for a few minutes just to recharge?!

lazzaroo Wed 22-May-13 18:32:34

Well, she didn't nap and is having bedtime feed now. I was expecting a meltdown but so far so good. She's very sleepy though so not sure how much milk she's actually taking and I won't be able to get any wind out of her but never mind!

On a completely different note.....she did her first proper laugh today smile. She must have known I needed it!

Good luck for tonight everyone

larlemucker Wed 22-May-13 18:52:58

Isn't it fab when they laugh lazza, you can forgive them all the sleepless nights!!

Lost 1.5lb at WW!! 1/2 a lb and I will have lost a stone and a half!
Worried about my friend though, I overheard the leader tell her she had put 2lb on but when I asked her she said she had stayed the same. She has serious health issues and needs to lose weight and if she us lying to me she'll be lying to herself. What do I do?

abi2790 Thu 23-May-13 02:06:26

Wow it's quiet tonight. Second feed here. I think Ds has tummy ache. He keeps farting and whimpering when passing wind. He's also really hot so he's just in a vest and grobag tonight.

What does everyone do about do about quick feeders at night? Do you try and get them to have a longer feed or let them go back to sleep?

SoYo Thu 23-May-13 02:35:29

Hi All

Larle a friend directed me to this article the other day that made me feel a bit better. I can definitely pick out some bits that apply to DD. I'm determined not to feel bad about feeding to sleep because she won't bloody get there any other way and we both need to sleep sometime. Also we've not managed to DTD here yet & I've still not got around to getting my coil sorted, everything just seems too much effort!

Abi my Bubs has nights like that where she's unexpectedly hot, it's usually just one offs but she definitely only needs a vest on those days. She's got tummy ache today too. Crying when farting & not had a poo for over 48hrs which is most unlike her. Wish the was something I could do to help. As for quick feeds, if I'm awake enough I keep putting her back on until I think she's had a good go because otherwise I get the fear she'll wake up again too quickly.

SoYo Thu 23-May-13 02:36:15

Sorry, link didn't work, try again

high need baby

HadALittleFaithBaby Thu 23-May-13 03:29:17

Hello all. Second feed of the night here. Only fed for 7 mind last feed then she fell asleep! abi I try to keep her awake (feet tickling) but if she's well asleep I just accept she'll be awake again sooner rather than later ;2 hour interval just now),

larlemucker Thu 23-May-13 03:30:13

Thanks soyo I'll have read if I can keep my eyes open

We're on second feed, vast improvement on last night. In fact he has just had 2 hours IN HIS COT!!!

Feeling a bit crappy, can't keep eyes open, had headache all day. Baby larle has a cold and I think I'm getting it.

He had a little bit if apple on its own today. Some very strange faces were pulled!!!

Re quick feeds in night. If I can bothered ill compress or put him in other side to fill up

lazzaroo Thu 23-May-13 05:25:38

Morning. We"re up! Been awake since 4.40. Hoping she might actually want to go back to sleep in a minute. And I don't know when I fed her last night, I lost track. Still, DH home tonight. Thank god! It's been a very long week.

Re: quick feeds. She always feeds quickly. Rarely more than 5-10mins in the day. And it varies at night. But I have over supply & fast let down so think it's all she needs. She's always been fast!

larlemucker Thu 23-May-13 05:55:10

Well wakings have gone from every hour to every 2 tonight and I managed to settle him once with a dummy.

Dunno if I'm coming down with something though, don't feel fab

lazzaroo Thu 23-May-13 06:04:16

Still awake & now dd1 is up too so that's my sleeping done for the day. Another pre-5am wake up. sad

larle hope you feel better soon. Tired & unwell is not a good combination!

Emilythornesbff Thu 23-May-13 07:19:44

Morning all.
Babythorne settled well after taking some ebm around 8.30 so I went to the gym about 9 ish. It was great. Everyone (including dh) was asleep by the time I got back. So a great start to the night.

Then babythorne fed in the middle of the night but I fell asleep[guilt] and after I put her in here cot DS woke up and needed a cuddle, then babythorne needed a feed and finally DS was up at 5:30.
I could loyally remove my own eyes right now. Thank goodness for the "milkshake" show on ch5.

I'e been reading your posts. It's remarkable how some women can make money out of us with their wonderfully helpful books, and at the same time make us feel like inadequate failures. Now that's multitasking at its most productive.
The only book I found both helpful and comforting was "the no cry sleep solution" by elizabeth pantley.

Our babies are still small. This time will be over before we know it and we'll be wondering whe the time went. Looking at oth ppl's babies saying" oh I wish mine were still tiny, they grow so fast"
Some of the advice is probably useful but I think we need to be careful we don't just hear criticism when we read these things.
You are all lovely mums.

See you tonight.

Emilythornesbff Thu 23-May-13 07:21:13

Loyally??? Wtf?
I think I meant to write actually.
It's true.

abi2790 Thu 23-May-13 08:19:12

Sorry for the bad nights sad. Ds was up again at 6 but I managed to get him back to sleep so I got another hour so thankfully I'm not as tired as I have been.

Anypants Thu 23-May-13 10:29:05

I agree em - when DD is screaming the house down it's frustrating but the second she drops off to sleep I give her a gentle little squeeze and it makes my heart smile smile
She's got into a rather nasty habit of waking around 5.30 and then not bothering to go back to sleep after her feed. I guess it's the light mornings sad

lazzaroo Thu 23-May-13 14:22:35

Blimey, baby lazza has been asleep for nearly 3.5 hours! I should probably wake her?! But she must be shattered from all the rubbish nights, being ill etc. toddler lazza is at pre-school so I think she's making the most f the peace & quiet! I settled her in pushchair at 11, she woke at midday but was clearly still tired. I fed her and she fell back to sleep on me. I put her on the sofa at 1.30 to get some lunch & thought that'd wake her....oh, she's just woken up....with a great big smile on her face smile

larlemucker Thu 23-May-13 16:52:59

Aw bless.

Baby larle has had a massive meltdown at his Nanas today while I was at Pilates. He screamed for nearly an hour, his cheeks and nose are bright red now. My poor boy. He has a cold and is teething, not a good day to leave with his nana. And I had no milk to leave her but I was only gone for 80 minutes hmm

larlemucker Thu 23-May-13 18:38:52

Just had to call dr, baby larles fontenelle is depressed. And after the crying fit this aft was a bit worried.

He said its likely to be dehydration esp considering he has fed to sleep all afternoon. Feeding again now, might give him some boiled, cooled water if it doesn't improve soon.

It's just worry after worry

abi2790 Thu 23-May-13 18:47:16

Poor Babylarle sad. Hope he is okay.

Ds had a long nap today for the first time in weeks so I'm hoping for a good night.

Anypants Thu 23-May-13 20:27:36

Well, tonight's got disaster written all over it. Second set of jabs this afternoon but babypants hasn't been feeding well all day (all under 20 mins), has a watery eye that could be conjunctivitis and now I have the added bonus of sore thighs. She threw up after her bath and screamed during her last feed until she fell asleep. I have no idea how long she'll stay down for - have given her calpol so hopefully it'll see her through. Poor little mite sad

larlemucker Thu 23-May-13 21:44:42

Lots of poorly babies tonight then hmm

SoYo Thu 23-May-13 21:50:14

How is BabyLarle? Better I hope.

Any I hope the magic pink liquid does the trick. We were supposed to have 2nd jabs tomorrow but the GP is off sick so now it's the week after next!

Madam has been fussing with her feeds all evening & I can't seem to settle her tonight. Fingers crossed it happens soon!

Kettle is going on. Earl grey for me. brew anyone?

larlemucker Thu 23-May-13 22:02:52

Camomile here please, forgot to have mine tonight!

Baby larle seems ok, been chatting away on mat this eve. He has 2 very red cheeks tho so think he is teething hmm

Emilythornesbff Thu 23-May-13 22:07:05

Poor baby larle and babypants

Babythorne is asleep. She settled at around 8pm.
Just need ds to sleep through. I'm seriously sleep deprived.
Good night wishes to all of you and your babies.

Anypants Thu 23-May-13 22:13:33

Just a decaf brew for me please - i'm off to bed as she's still soundo. Make hay and all that. Catch you later ladies and best of sleepy nights to you all...

Getting well wishes to all the poorly babies. And lots of sleep for their parents!
I had my first social outing tonight since BG was born! First in ten months, so. But never fear, I remembered how to do it!! grin (the pizza was yum)

Emilythornesbff Fri 24-May-13 01:14:16

Second feed here. good ess I am tired.

Glad you had a good evening goats
Good idea brew soyo.

Sending soothing healing thoughts to poorly bubbles.

Anypants Fri 24-May-13 01:32:35

Here we go - it's been a while since I last saw this time of the morning! First feed and she's not screaming through it so hopefully she feels ok. Trying not to touch her legs though - ouch sad
DH still up - has been discovering instant messaging on facebook and chatting with a friend. Nice to have the company! smile
Although, now i'll have a strong brew please...

larlemucker Fri 24-May-13 01:45:36

Glad you had a good time goat.

Second feed here. We're off out tonight, pizza and cinema. Finally going to see Star Trek, can't wait!

Yes I am geek and proud!!!

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 24-May-13 02:50:51

Just finished chest feed of night (can't complain, she settled at 10.30). Just waiting til she's sleepy enough to transfer. Quite pleased to have managed without any screaming. We have visitors. Obviously they're understanding but avoiding screening is quite positive! smile

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 24-May-13 02:51:43

first feed....I guess it did come from my chest!

SoYo Fri 24-May-13 03:19:41

Hi all, first feed here after a very long and screamy bedtime. Daddy finally had the magic touch & got her down. It would be lovely to have smoother bedtimes but it is also very nice not having first feed until now.

Good work on the evening out Goat. I'm very much looking forward to that but suspect it might be a while with my little bottle refuser!

Anypants Fri 24-May-13 04:24:33

Up again - quite tired now.
I hope she goes for a few more hours and doesn't think it's morning.confused

Emilythornesbff Fri 24-May-13 07:41:58

Oh any those jabs. sad
Babythorne has her third lot next week. I'm dreading it. Poor little mite.

Anypants Fri 24-May-13 08:22:40

Yay! She gave me another few hours - allbeit noisy ones. She was flinging her head from side to side and grunting a lot so I had to sacrifice my right hand from under the nice warm duvet to have it resting on her chest. Brrrrrr. Where the heck is summer? I want to be warm again at night angry
Hope everyone else had better nights. Kettle's on brew brew brew

abi2790 Fri 24-May-13 09:43:45

Well ds finally settled at 10 and didn't have a feed until 4 although he woke up about 3 times inbetween. However when I got up to get him out of his cot (he was crying) he fell asleep straight away. I think it may be that he moves around a lot in his sleep and wakes himself then struggles to self settle but he must be learning as he got himself back to sleep 3 times last night (once I was out of bed, of course!).

Hope everyone has a good day.

SoYo Fri 24-May-13 20:53:02

Evening all. I'm at my parents without DH so expecting an unsettled night just like last time. Fingers crossed I'm wrong!

See you soon for brew & hobnobs!

Anypants Fri 24-May-13 22:29:14

I'm with you soyo.

Had an awful time getting her to sleep tonight. I think the jabs are still causing her discomfort and after three attempts to get her to go off on her own, I have resorted to Calpol again, like last night blush

I hope she goes through now - she fed very well today so fingers crossed. Otherwise, i'm cracking open a victoria sponge confused

Anypants Fri 24-May-13 23:29:30

Still no joy. Got about 20 minutes before she started whinging. Gah. DH walked her around for half an hour and now i'm giving her boob, hoping it'll send her off. Very tired and need to get to bed soon sad

SoYo Sat 25-May-13 00:19:06

From bed to first feed has been nearly 5hrs for the last week.....the second I'm alone it's 2.5, great! It's a wedding today/tomorrow & I'm already bloody exhausted. Brilliant.

Emilythornesbff Sat 25-May-13 04:13:52

soyo sad it's miserable isn't it.
Second feed here and ds has also been up twice.
Hope you've managed to get some sleep.

Ppl who get sleep at night have absolutely no idea what this does to you. None whatsoever. None.

Emilythornesbff Sat 25-May-13 04:17:58

And [rant alert!]
The thing I really hate is that you can't talk to anyone else (apart from you fab lot) about it, because it's all: " just leave them to cry, you're making a rod for your back, mine never did that.... Bla bla bollocks" it's so isolating.
So thank goodness for you guys, really.

SoYo Sat 25-May-13 05:14:17

'You're making a rod for your own back' & 'you're spoiling her' make me so angry! 1. Who the fuck are you to judge my parenting style when I'm the only one that knows my child inside out because I'm with her practically every bloody second, 2. How in Gods name do you spoil a newborn baby, which she was when these comments started, who has no idea of cause & effect and 3. So what if I am, in what world is that a helpful comment to a tired new mum who's obviously just trying to do her best for her child!

Anyway, rant over. Bubs has been in her Moses basket since 1ish but making lots of wakey moany grant noises all night so I don't think either of us are well rested! She's got terrible wind & it looks like tummy ache with her wriggling & drawing legs up, no dirty nappy since Monday after 2-3 a day before that so I'm not surprised!

Hope it's been quiet because everyone else has had a full night of sleep (rather than been too tired to post).

Anypants Sat 25-May-13 05:17:50

You're absolutely right em - people are often ready to criticise and offer their advice but not so willing to take LO off your hands for a couple of hours while you catch up on some sleep.
First feed here since the 11.30 shenanigans but she's been squirming fir a while so notuch 'decent' sleep for me sad and DH sat up to watch a film (16 blocks?) so he'll be complaining that he's tired too envy

brew andbiscuit

Anypants Sat 25-May-13 05:20:37

notuch? Obviously, I mean 'not much'.

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 25-May-13 06:01:56

2nd feed of the night here (other one at 2). She's been going since 5, when I tried it to settle her she was wide awake in the Moses basket. I've brought her through to the living room to not disturb DH. I was worried I'd dose off as well! Feeding now and hoping she'll dose off again.

Anypants Sat 25-May-13 06:16:25

Aaaargh - can't keep my eyes open but it seems DD can! She is so resistant to sleep - i'm going to have to keep her awake longer today so she gets more tired.
I'll just keep shushing and rocking until she goes, for now (yes - I am an awful mother for 'spoiling' my child with cuddles)
brew brew brew

abi2790 Sat 25-May-13 07:36:27

Morning ladies. Ds was up at 1 and we had 2 transfer fails but luckily I left him in his cot after the second one and he fell asleep after 5 minutes.

I think I've got a blocked duct (god knows how since it feels like Ds is attached to me 24/7).

As for the sleep comments I feel like punching anyone that says "give him formula and he'll sleep better" "and solids will get him sleeping through." Oh yeah because those tiny spoonfuls of food are really going to fill him overnight angry.

Emilythornesbff Sat 25-May-13 08:10:25

Poor sleep deprived girls.
Sorry for setting off a group rant grin

Hope you all get some rest..
Fwiw I "spoiled" my ds (still do grin). He is the happiest little toddler imagineable and he now sleeps through - most nights.

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 25-May-13 08:44:45

abi my DH keeps pushing formula because he believes that!

After feeding til 5.45 I could not get DD to transfer into her Moses basket. Finally got more kip from 7 til now (oh yes multiple attempts) by co-sleeping with her. That recent report scared me a bit but I figure if I'm set up right (I don't have the duvet etc) it's ok for an hour or so if I'm dozing.

You can't spoil a newborn baby. Fact. With the transfer issues my baby spends most of her day in a sling with me. She's cosy and content, I have two hands free! Win/win.

larlemucker Sat 25-May-13 09:09:57

Morning ladies.
Didn't post last night as batt flat.

Went to see Star Trek while baby larle was at his aunties. Fab film, could have watched again as soon as it had finished!!

Baby larle woke up when we got home, about 11.15 and fed to sleep. Successful transfer at 11.55.
He then woke at 1.30, I remember looking at the clock and I ate my banana but that's about it!! Don't remember picking him up, feeding him or transferring!!

DH woke me at 5.15 to tell me it was 5.15 and DS hadn't been up! Ever had that feeling when you wake up and you're not sure where they are? Spilt second of panic till I saw him asleep in the cot.

Think he slept for about 5/6 hours!! Don't know if his cousin wore him out, if it was the apple and bottle of ebm or my DSis's magic touch! Feel very refreshed this morning though.

emily totally agree. My MIL told me DS had a 'spoilt cry' when he was 6 weeks old! How the hell can a 6 week old be spoilt??? Giving a baby attention when they cry is NOT spoiling them. And I've heard the whole leave them to cry crap. I can't do that, not when he is so young and still needs night feeds.

Beautiful day here today, going to the farmers market to get fruit/veg and then off for a walk I think

Hope you all have good days and catch up on sleep

abi2790 Sat 25-May-13 09:53:03

I know that feeling larle. Since day one I wake up every night thinking Ds is under the duvet. I throw the duvet off the bed searching for him and I've shouted Dp up a few times.thinking he's underneath him. I don't have a clue why I started doing it. I guess it's motherly instinct gone mad?! The funny thing is when I do co-sleep I wake up stiff as a brick as I haven't moved an inch!

abi2790 Sat 25-May-13 09:55:40

Oh and to add to that post I think I'm still half asleep when I'm doing it as consciously I know he's sound asleep in his cot. Does anyone else do that? Or am I insane haha?

SoYo Sat 25-May-13 10:33:28

I do exactly the same abi, I m regularly convinced she's under the duvet when she's in the bed! We did some cosleeping last night & I ache like hell today because I don't move a muscle either.

larlemucker Sat 25-May-13 16:29:30

Same here, massive panic that DS is under duvet, esp when I know I've fed him but can't remember putting him back in his cot.

Also same when we do co-sleep I don't move and wake up really sore!!

Gorge day here today. Baby larle has lived being in the garden with no nappy on!!

Emilythornesbff Sat 25-May-13 21:40:28

So pleased you had a good day larle
Oh the fear when I accidentally fall asleep feeding. [guilty face].

Dd settled in her cot-clever girl.
Wishing you all a good night.

SoYo Sat 25-May-13 23:58:11

We've been at a wedding all day & just got home. Madam absolutely loved all the music & people watching but hasn't slept which usually makes for a disturbed night. I'm hoping she'll go down now. Fingers crossed!

larlemucker Sun 26-May-13 03:43:41

Quiet tonight.
Hope that means people are sleeping.

Baby larle has just peed all over daddy and the floor, any other time of day and it would have been really funny!

Not having a great night here, DS was awake an hour after putting him to bed. Fed then transfer fail so fed again and co-slept till now as I couldn't keep my eyes open earlier.
Back in cot now though, hopefully!

abi2790 Sun 26-May-13 06:16:42

Ds slept from 9 until now! We had a bit of trouble getting him to sleep so I thought we were in for a bad night. My boobs feel like I have 2 bricks tied toy chest now though!

Emilythornesbff Sun 26-May-13 06:37:04

Didn't post as too tired. 2 or 3 feeds I think plus DS up a few times as he's a bit poorly.dh snoring angry envy

larlemucker Sun 26-May-13 07:49:29

Transfer fail last night so ended up co-sleeping all night. Woken up with a sore arm as baby larle was asleep on it!
Will I ever get a undisturbed nights sleep?

Anypants Sun 26-May-13 07:59:15

Morning all - sorry if you had a cr*ppy night.
Didn't get DD to bed until 10pm, as we went out for dinner with family (and she screamed for half an hour while I tried to feed her because the restaurant was ridiculously hot blush ). However, she woke a bit at about 1.30 and then went straight back to sleep on her own until 7.30! I feel sooooooo much better today for not getting up twice by now smile
Right - time for brew

abi2790 Sun 26-May-13 15:51:57

Not had a great day today. Ds rolled off the bed this morning whilst with Dp sad . He's fine but I feel awful. Plus I gave him some sweet potato batons and because he hasn't learnt the art of swallowing very well he tries to cough it back out which then resulted in projectile vomit sad.

larlemucker Sun 26-May-13 16:21:56

Oh no abi, how old is DS? Hope he is ok.

We've been for a walk in the sunshine and played dodge the tourist!!
MIL on her way round for tea and scrabble. I HAVE to beat her or DH, I always come last!!

abi2790 Sun 26-May-13 18:45:01

He's almost six months larle. He's his normal happy self so I'm assuming he's fine but that doesn't make me feel any less guilty!

As for the vomit, when does weaning get easier?!

larlemucker Sun 26-May-13 19:28:07

Came last again hmm

Baby larle hasn't vommed yet with weaning but he has only had baby rice and apple so far!!

larlemucker Sun 26-May-13 22:36:17

For fucks sake, how the hell does he know???

How does DS know I'm just falling asleep??

Really had ENOUGH

Anypants Sun 26-May-13 22:50:42

It's a gift they have larle - DD is the same when I want to catch a quick nap in the day, after an especially frought night. I get around three minutes before she sounds her alarm.
Mine's in bed now but she's been sleepy and clingy all day so heaven knows what delights I have in store tonight! hmm

abi2790 Sun 26-May-13 22:51:35

I know that feeling larle flowers.

I've finally got Ds fast asleep in his cot. This is the latest we've been awake for a while. My eyes are stingy now sad

Good night everyone. Spreading lots of sleepy dust grin.

SoYo Sun 26-May-13 23:52:52

I hope you have a good sleep after the latest transfer Larle

I'm at home & DM & Aunt offered to watch DD while I nipped to pub for an hour with DF. I asked them to ring if she cried as its only 2mins away & I'd come back & go to bed with her. Come back to find she screamed, took awhile to settle, battery went on monitor so she went to sleep in pram in living room. Only problem is she was fast asleep so I've had to try to transfer her upstairs, she's now awake & feeding & our risk stretch of the night which is always best has gone without me having a minutes rest. I appreciate they meant well but I'd said to ring because I know my baby & knew it would make life harder if they didn't. Grr.

larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 00:13:14

Up again, 50 mins since transfer.

I actually hate going to bed now

abi2790 Mon 27-May-13 03:20:46

First feed here. Why does he still wake in the night when I know he can sleep through?! We've gone from 9 hours last night to 4 tonight sad.

larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 03:43:00

Managed 2.5 hours. Then transfer fail.
Can't keep eyes open.
DH pissed off as baby larle won't go to sleep rocking anymore so he can't get him to sleep
What do I do?

abi2790 Mon 27-May-13 05:36:25

We're up again sad.

Do you feed to sleep larle?

larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 07:55:54

Yes feed to sleep or his goes to sleep in car or pram.

Going to try dummies again. DH doesn't like them but he doesn't always feed to sleep but suckles so hoping the sucking will help

lazzaroo Mon 27-May-13 09:10:38

Hi all. Been a bit absent lately but not because I've been sleeping! Things are continuing the same as ever & we're reaching our limit!

Actually considering going down the millpond sleep consultant route.

I remember we got to the end of our tethers with dd1 & did sleep training, but not till she was about 9 months I think. It was really hard but only took 3 nights and she went from being rocked & paced for ages to self settling.

Struggling to see that this is a phase that will just pass without intervention. If it is, it's a bloody long phase!

lazzaroo Mon 27-May-13 09:24:16

I know how you feel larle it was actually a relief to get up at 4.40 this morning! It's so hard spending the whole night in & out of bed and not actually sleeping!

larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 10:45:37

What's the millpond route lazza?

Hating the light mornings, baby larle is waking at 6.30-7 instead of 8-8.30 hmm got thick lines curtains but think we might need blackout blinds

lazzaroo Mon 27-May-13 11:45:59

Pear puree just gone down well smile

larle I'm not convinced we'll actually go through with it, it's a lot of money! But they are child sleep experts, that do phone consultants and support you through a sleep plan. They probably wouldn't suggest much we haven't already thought of but having someone keep an eye on us & investing money in it might spur me on to be consistent in the middle of the night! plus we have so many sleep problems , early waking, rubbish naps, feeding to sleep, that I don't know where to start! A friend of mine used them recently and raved about it, managed to get her 1 year old sleeping through for first time!

lazzaroo Mon 27-May-13 11:47:09
larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 14:47:52

That's quite pricey, don't think we're that bad yet

DH has broken the sky hmm can't watch anything we have recorded hmm

Anypants Mon 27-May-13 17:09:48


abi2790 Mon 27-May-13 18:25:04

It's only nearly half 6 and me and ds are shattered! He's been bathed, massaged and seems to be done with his bedtime feed already. I'm going to try transfer soon and then get in bed myself!

Poor you Larle!

abi2790 Mon 27-May-13 18:34:05

Transfer fail sad

larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 18:57:58

So DH calls sky, at 5p a minute. They try and fix it from their end, not working. We try from our end, not working. So we ask if we can get a new box, we can upgrade to the next box and get a different package (with the kids channels that we didn't have so something we would have done anyway) so we upgrade and get a good deal.

Bout an hour later DH accidentally pauses tv, we both groan as that means we'll have to reset the sky again BUT it works!!!!!!

Bloody typical that we've shelled out for a new flaming box hmm

lazzaroo Mon 27-May-13 19:03:02

Baby lazza already asleep too abi. fell asleep feeding at about 6.45. Woke up 5 mins after putting her down but did massive burp when I picked her up so that's why! Went back down again quite quickly after I rocked her back to sleep. Off to settle dd1 now....then collapse on the sofa. Hope everyone gets a good night!

larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 19:35:14

Does anyone else's DC cry when you try to rock them to sleep? He hates it and I don't think it's reflux as he is fine lying on his back every other time just not when you want to rock him to sleep

Anypants Mon 27-May-13 19:40:11

My DC just cries no matter how I try to get her to go to sleep. Rocking, swaying, cuddling - You name it, she'll cry through it.

abi2790 Mon 27-May-13 20:07:49

Ds finally went to sleep in his cot about half an hour ago after another transfer fail. He's stirring at the minute so fingers crossed he stays asleep.

larlemucker Mon 27-May-13 21:22:34

What do you do any? Do you just keep rocking through the crying?

lazzaroo Mon 27-May-13 21:46:36

I know it's pathetic on my part but I'm already giving up! Have literally re-settled about 5 times. I think she may be poorly, or it may be teeth. Something seems to be stopping her getting past the initial 40min cycle. She keeps pulling at her ears so am hoping not an ear infection.

Anyway, she's in with me now and I can't face another wake up 2 mins after I fall asleep so here we go for another long night,

Anypants Mon 27-May-13 22:18:26

Yes larle - she only cries when she's tired but it seems she doesn't actually want to go to sleep. So I swaddle her and put her against my shoulder sway/rock and shush until she stops crying and goes off to sleep - usually between 5-10 minutes. I've only ever managed to put her down a couple of times while awake and have her go to sleep. Thankfully I only have to do it a couple of times a day as she doesn't really sleep but it annoys me that I spend 20 minutes trying to calm her down and them she'll only sleep for 20!
I pick her up as soon as she starts yawning and take her to her room which is quiet and dark but it doesn't make much difference. It's my nemesis - no idea how to prevent the meltdown (unless she just falls asleep on me after a feed blush )

abi2790 Mon 27-May-13 22:45:02

Dp just woke ds up sad. Ds has taken to turning over and sleeping on his front. He can turn his head to the side fine so I've stopped trying to turn him back as he wakes up as soon as you move him. Dp doesn't understand this and tried to put him on his back again! Now I'm sat here with stingy eyes, and what feels like period pain, feeding ds back to sleep. I'm hoping dp doesn't come running in to put him on his back when he rolls on his front again otherwise he can rock him back to sleep without my help!

Sorry, rant over!

larlemucker Tue 28-May-13 00:43:50

4th feed since baby larle went to bed hmm

larlemucker Tue 28-May-13 01:48:51

Ffs up AGAIN. He hasn't slept for longer than an hour. This can't be normal

Anypants Tue 28-May-13 02:01:24

Good grief larle - i'd love to help but obviously can't. I've had a few nights where DD just wouldn't stay asleep but they're normally followed by a very sleepy day. I hope that's the case for you.
Knew i'd be up at this time - first feed since madam went to sleep at 8.20. Not bad going but she went for 9 hours for the last two nights and was just getting used to it. (not bragging - just stating facts blush )
Hope this is it for tonight...

larlemucker Tue 28-May-13 03:00:16

And again

No, not followed by sleepy days hmm

abi2790 Tue 28-May-13 03:22:37

Second feed here.

Poor you larle flowers brew. Maybe try co-sleeping again if you haven't already?

SoYo Tue 28-May-13 04:03:45

Second feed here too. We'd had a couple of nights of going 5hrs which was lovey & now back to 3 which suddenly feels very painful! Plus I've t an awful bad back so holding her to feed isn't much fun. Larle does a later bedtime or the number of daytime sleeps seem to affect it at all? I feel for you so much.

lazzaroo Tue 28-May-13 04:31:36

Awake! hmm Dd1 came into me & she woke. MAy well have woken anyway. Now I have 2 awake babies at a dangerous time f day to get them back o sleep. Have left dd1 in my bed with strict instructions to get back to sleep but dd2 is being so noisy! Don't think she'll feed back o sleep o trying to muster up the energy to rock & pace. Don't remember feeding her last night but assume I did. She slept on me all night anyway so still knackered!

lazzaroo Tue 28-May-13 04:53:44

SHould have said dd2 not being noisy due to crying! She's happy as larry and 'chattering' away. I don't know if I'm wasting my time trying to get her back to sleep. It feels like it so I've just put her down in cot for a bit. She won't feed back to sleep yet sad. It's at this point that £300 to sort sleep seems like a bargain!

larle sorry you've had a rough night.

Anypants Tue 28-May-13 05:04:14

soyo - i'm up again 3 hours after last feed. Why? I didn't do anything different. And now she's awake and it's practically daytime, i'm screwed. I too have a bad back, plus bad knees, from holding her all the time and all the bouncing/rocking. Every time I stand up, I think they're going to snap.
My eyes reeeeeaaalllllly hurt envy brew

lazzaroo Tue 28-May-13 06:29:36

Finally back to sleep at 5.15am. Managed to crawl back into bed. Awake again at 6am & up. Another long day again!

Anypants Tue 28-May-13 07:00:16

Wtf? So I put her down bacause she's asleep but didn't burp. An hour later, she's thrashing around so I pick her up and she lets out quite a violent.burp. Then she goes back to sleep. Put her down, more thrashing and now crying. Haven't slept at all for the last 2 hours. What the hell happened? She now won't go back to sleep properly as it's daytime angry

larlemucker Tue 28-May-13 07:56:51

Sounds like lots of crap nights.

Put him in with us at about 4am as I needed to sleep.
He has amazing timing as he was waking an hour after I put him in his cot every time! Put him in bed with us and he sleeps till 7!!

Been stocking up in milk so tonight he is going to have some tea and a big bottle of ebm.

Hope we all manage to catch up on sleep tonight

Emilythornesbff Tue 28-May-13 08:30:50

Lots of wakeful nights here tonight. sad sorry ladies.
If it's any consolation we've been awake too. Feeding 3 or 4 times but not posting as I've banished the iPad from the bedroom due to angst about radiation -type issues. (grin I know, I know.)

But it may help you to know that my DS (aka "world's worst sleeper" as a baby- officially) now sleeps really well (most nights) from around 7 to 6.
So there is hope. No sleep training (apart from following advice in "the no cry sleep solution" about stopping night feeds at about 14 months). My method was the total "baby spoiling - making a rod for my own back- indulgent" approach. If it can happen for me it can definitely happen for you.

larlemucker Tue 28-May-13 09:28:45

What are your radiation worries emily?

emily I hold out hope constantly that this will be the case for BG!

I just hope we don't then swap the good eating habits... hmm

Emilythornesbff Tue 28-May-13 18:20:07

larle it's just that sleeping with one's phone or I pad (they both transmit "waves" as it were) near one's head is apparently unhealthy as they can have a heating effect on the body /brain. Or so I read. Dh is always banging on about it so I have banished such items from the bedroom at night.

Emilythornesbff Tue 28-May-13 18:21:18

That's the thing goats
Maybe we should just be happy with what we've got grin.

lazzaroo Tue 28-May-13 21:07:27

So, baby lazza asleep at 6.45pm. Have re-settled her twice already & now she's sleeping on her stomach. Will be interesting to see if it helps, but of course I won't sleep as .I'm too worried about having put her on her stomach in the first place!! Aahhhhh!!

She had mammoth 3.5 hour nap this afternoon. Another catch up no doubt. Also had pear puree as a snack & porridge for tea.

I am beginning to think none of these things will make slightest difference to her sleep. Some sleep well, some don't.

Hope it's a better night for all tonight!

Emilythornesbff Tue 28-May-13 21:19:26

Good night all.

You may have a point there lazz

abi2790 Tue 28-May-13 21:48:51

Good point lazza smile.

I can't decide whether to go to sleep or not as I have a feeling Ds will wake up as soon as I close my eyes.

larlemucker Tue 28-May-13 21:54:44

abi baby larle has a mummy is just going to sleep radar!!

Baby larle has had carrot purée and a 6.5oz bottle of ebm. Successful transfer so going to watch the apprentice!

DH thinks we should give him more purée, he currently has an ice cubes worth. What do you guys think?

SoYo Tue 28-May-13 21:55:45

Madam has gone to sleep 30mins ago so I'm watching The Apprentice (guilty pleasure) with a cuppa & keeping everything crossed.

You're so right Lazza, some sleep, some don't, some just like to keep you guessing!

larlemucker Tue 28-May-13 23:04:26

Good apprentice tonight soyo!! Want to go to Dubai now!!

Amazingly baby larle woke as I was going to sleep! Seriously, how does he do that?? So feeding now but it's a bit of a dream feed as he wasn't fully awake.

Sweet dreams everyone!

SoYo Tue 28-May-13 23:28:53

Larle I'm going to attempt a dream feed tonight too in the hope of recreating Sundays night of good sleep. I'm pretty sure it'll fail miserably & I'll regret it but hey, it's worth a go!

Anypants Wed 29-May-13 02:16:08

Hey soyo & larle - how did you get on? I tried to recreate Saturday and Sunday night here with her last feed later than 'normal' and it's done bugger all. Sat and Sun she went to sleep at 10pm and 9pm then woke at 7.30 and.6.30 respectively. So she is quite capable of going 9 &half hours and yet last night and tonight, she's not. Last night was 5 & half and tonight is 4&half. Am hoping she isn't going to regress back to 3 hours or i'm going to lose my mind - I just got my sanity back after some random wakenings last week. Please let this be a blip and let her sleep until 7 after this feed....
I did think maybe she was just having trouble settling herself (she'd wriggled her arms free of the covers) so I initially tried to shhh/pat her back to sleep but at three months she's too young to train to sleep through, right? She wouldn't go back to sleep after 10 mins abd she's been feeding for 25 mins so it must be hunger, right? Pfffffft. I don't know. confused

SoYo Wed 29-May-13 03:27:43

I dream-fed at midnight & we're already awake so not great, 2hrs earlier than Sunday. Up for 1hr Every 3hrs is starting to really bite.

larlemucker Wed 29-May-13 04:40:17

Baby larle was up at 1 for half an hour and has just woken so massive improvement on last night!!

SoYo Wed 29-May-13 05:44:52

Itsthisbit of the night I start to struggle with, when her last feed was 2hrs ago & I just want to sleeeeeeep.

Anypants Wed 29-May-13 05:46:52

Second feed. She wasn't even crying - just lying there having a conversation with the air, gurgling away very loudly. Terrific. So we're back to every four hours. Not fair.

abi2790 Wed 29-May-13 06:30:16

Well done baby larle!

Ds has just slept from 8 until 6!! I know he won't do it again though! Soto and AnyPants I don't do dream feeds as I find he wakes more often. Do you have a bedtime routine that you start at the same time every night?

larlemucker Wed 29-May-13 06:59:20

Think baby larle might be up for the day. Feeding in an attempt to make I'm sleep but eyes are wide open!!

Last night was much better though, 2.5 hours between feeds instead of one. Maybe we need to give him a bit more purée

Anypants Wed 29-May-13 08:03:08

Yes abi - i've done 'bedtime' for over a month now (bath, feed, story, sleep) and it works well as she knows it's nighttime and has been going to sleep around 8.30 until at least 2 but sometimes until 5 or 6. No two nights are the same though. I've got to try and get consistent with daytime feeds. Currentlt every three hours but no set times blush

Emilythornesbff Wed 29-May-13 09:33:10

Well done babylarle

And abi

abi2790 Wed 29-May-13 18:50:04

any Ds is almost 6 months and still doesn't feed to a routine in the day! Sometimes it's hourly, sometimes every 3 hours.

We've started moving house today. I'm shattered!

lazzaroo Wed 29-May-13 19:05:25

I am relieved to hear that abi, we're also nearly at 6 months with no routine. I don't know if we should be trying harder with that now we've started weaning.

Last night was more of the same for us. I'm beginning to give up ever thinking it's going to improve. She's had immunisations today so hoping she doesn't suffer tonight because of that.

I am seriously fed up of dreading night times. I should be relaxing now but I just know it's going to be another terrible night.

Anypants Wed 29-May-13 20:50:02

Am ever hopeful for a restful night tonight - have followed the pattern of feeding and sleep from Saturday (when she slept until 7.30am) but every minute past 8.30 she gets unhappier. She's on her last feed niw so should be asleep by 9.30. Just hope it fills her up enough until morning.... Sleepy dust to all hmm

Why have I only just found this thread?shock
Hi all, I'm so glad I've found something to occupy myself during the night feeds as I'm finding them pretty tough and scaring myself when I nod off with DS asleep on me!

He's 7 weeks old now and still feeding every 2 hours or so through the night. I'll occasionally get a 9:30pm to 2am full sleep from him but not tonight unfortunately!

He's had a pretty exhausting day bless him and didn't get much of a sleep through the day. I'm at the GP's tonight as DH is away and they have done an amazing job of settling DS, finally getting him to sleep at 12am. I naively thought I'd get in a good couple of hours sleep!

I now have the mission of putting him down in to his Moses basket without waking him and having to start all over again hmm

iamci Thu 30-May-13 01:51:42

hope you managed ifatfirst. I'm just going to try a move from bed to basket now. hoping he'll stay asleep!

SoYo Thu 30-May-13 04:33:08

Second feed here but over 4hrs since last so I'm happy with that. Hope everyone's getting a decent stretch of snooze. We've got a 4hr car journey in the morning to try & coordinate with baby, pup & the ridiculous amount of stuff that comes everywhere with them both. Fun!

larlemucker Thu 30-May-13 04:36:47

We've ended up co-sleeping tonight as kept getting transfer fails.

Seems quiet on here, hope everyone's sleeping

Poor lamb must have been knackered as soon as I posted my last message I put him in his Moses basket and he didn't flinch! smile

He's just woken up for a feed which is pretty good going. I'm just hoping that he finishes before the sun comes up as its impossible to get him back down when there's light round the curtains - he just wants to sit and look and coo. It's so sweet but not ideal at 5am!

Anypants Thu 30-May-13 04:58:24

Welcome ifatfirst and iamci - you've come to the right place.
First feed here - muuuuuuch better than last night. She's gone from 9.30 until just now so I got an extra 3 hours from her - splendid! I hope we get a bit more though as I too have trouble convincing DD that it's not daytime yet...
Right, who's got the hob nobs? biscuit

Anypants Thu 30-May-13 05:01:43

Oh ans good luck soyo - better start getting ready now if you want ro leave the house before midday... wink

Anypants Thu 30-May-13 05:03:18

Good grief - my typing is getting worse. Apologies <slaps herself on wrist>

lazzaroo Thu 30-May-13 07:47:30

Morning all & welcome newbies! Another terrible night here. Lost track of wake ups but pretty sure it's not hunger as she's not really interested in feeding by the early hours. Not sure what I've done to deserve a 2nd terrible sleeper!

any what's your magic feeding & sleep pattern?!

soyo we have a long journey to make tomorrow. It should be 3 hours but have a feeling with feeding & toilet stops it's going to be considerably longer!! Hope you get on ok.

Anypants Thu 30-May-13 08:16:29

lazza - I made sure she fed for half an hour every three hours yesterday (ignoring the early hours) at 7.30, 10.30, 1.30, 4.30 then 7pm, (had some dinner) bath and top up at 8.30, then story but she was already asleep by then. She had 30 minute power naps at 11.30 (in the car) then 1pm and 3pm.
I'm on track again this morning so hopefully it'll work again today!

Emilythornesbff Thu 30-May-13 08:32:11

Morning all. Welcome to newcomers.

Missed you guys last night. It's so hard when babythorne won't settle. She's also taken to fussing at the breast and pulling at my hair so discomfort now accompanies exhaustion.
I don't really feel human.

Here any brew biscuit

God luck soyo we're off up north on Saturday. I should start getting ready in a minute. Can't bear the idea of packing tbh.

soyo according to a friend we are going to have model teenagers to make up for having terrible sleepers wink

Sorry to say in face of bad nights, but last night BG only woke twice and went straight back to sleep both times. Did 6 to 6. This is the first time. He is 10 months old. I think it's the first time I got 8 hours sleep since beginning of pregnancy. I post this to show that if even BG can, hopefully anyone can!!

Wow! DS has only just woken for a feed smile I couldn't quite believe the time when I looked!
I'm not going to get too excited just yet, I'm sure it was just a one off. Also, after the 4am feed I used a dummy to settle him in his Moses basket. Over the last week he's found his fingers and thumbs and is desperately trying to suck them, but gets very frustrated and upset when he can't manage it. So, to save us both a bit of grief he settled using a dummy. I've been a bit reluctant to use one, but if it works - why not

What's everyone else's experiences with dummy's and advice so that he doesn't get too attached.?

Emilythornesbff Thu 30-May-13 09:09:53

That's great goats

ifatfirst i'vevstarted to use a dummy for dd and it often helps her settle. If she's actually hungry she spits it out.

SoYo Thu 30-May-13 09:16:03

IfAtFirst I have no advice. Madam refuses to have anything other than human flesh in her mouth - this could be a problem when we're weaning a mini-cannibal!

abi2790 Thu 30-May-13 09:23:29

Welcome ifatfirst and iamci smile.

ifatfirst we tried to use a dummy when ds was about a month old but he didn't take to it. I say using a dummy is much better in the long run as that can be taken away whereas thumb sucking cant! Just try to make sure dc doesn't use it too much.

Ds went down around 8 and was up at 12:30 and 6. Not quite 10 hours like the night before but I'm not going to complain as it's better than every 2-3 hours!

Another very busy day today moving house. Luckily we're only going round the corner!

larlemucker Thu 30-May-13 09:46:59

Welcome newbies! Sorry I didn't welcome you in the early hours!!

Baby larle won't take a dummy so can't help with that, sorry.

I have a sore left arm where baby larle has slept on it most of the night!! He was not going to sleep in his cot last night, woke up 30 mins after each transfer and couldn't be bothered with being up all night. Think I'm going to buy a bed guard to make co sleeping a little safer. Any recommendations?
Think we had a bad night last night as he had a bottle of ebm and then chucked it all back up again!

We're meeting friends for coffee today and so I have to tidy the house!!

emily baby larle started pulling my hair so I wear a necklace and he fiddles with that while feeding instead if my hair. He has also started squeezing my boob, not sure if that helps him get more milk!!

Hope you all have a lovely day.

Good luck with the move abi

larlemucker Thu 30-May-13 09:47:35

Oh and congrats goat sooooo jealous-

abi2790 Thu 30-May-13 18:46:15

Ugghh I'm shattered and still have lots to do. Ds is having his bedtime feed now and I'm hoping he'll be asleep soon so I can get stuff done.

Emilythornesbff Thu 30-May-13 20:53:17

Thanks larle good tip.

abi it's stressful isn't it? Poor babythorne won't settle. The kitchen is a bomb site, I haven't showered yet and I am so exhausted. I feel as though ds will be up in a minute and I never catch up.

abi2790 Thu 30-May-13 22:36:15

It is indeed very stressful emily. Ds has woken up twice since 7:30. I just want to go to sleep!

abi2790 Thu 30-May-13 22:53:08

Woohoo ds is asleep! Fingers crossed it stays that way!

Final feed before bed, not sure what sort of night we're in for as DS has been asleep most of the afternoon.

Thanks for your advice about dummies, I think we've decided to only use them when absolutely necessary rather than as a frequent thing.

Hope you all have a reasonably peaceful night!

SoYo Thu 30-May-13 23:20:09

Madam went down at 9.45, I'm just going to bed now, she's stirring a bit because we've come into the room, are moving & have turned a small light on. I know full well as soon as I fall into a deep sleep she'll be up but don't have the heart for a dreamfeed when it did bugger all the other night. Urgh. Should have just gone to bed when she did but wanted to have a chat with DH & watch some TV! Foolish!

Well I thought I'd have a long night, but half an hour is rediculous! hmm
He's having a pretty big feed which I'm hoping will stock him up for a good few hours!

larlemucker Fri 31-May-13 01:56:00


We're up for second feed. Fed when we came to bed about half 10. He woke about an hour after transfer so rocked to sleep (and fell asleep myself!). Just woke after transferring to cot!
He just wants to sleep with me!

Forgot to say yest I lost 2.5lb on WW! That's a stone and a half now. Speaking of which I wonder where MrsN is, she hasn't been around for a while.

Bought some porridge today for the little man so will see how that goes down tomorrow. He is loving having food!

Sleepy dust all round, here's to a good(ish) nights sleep

SoYo Fri 31-May-13 02:32:01

We're just up now so a good stretch. Now just need to explain she could do the same again & we've cracked it!

Larle congrats on WW! Very impressive.

4am - that's good going! smile
I don't want to tempt fate but so far this is similar to yesterday; midnight feed, 4am-ish, then he slept until 8:30am. I hope this is the start of good habits as the 2-hourly night feeds were starting to break me! Especially when it took half an hour to settle and put down after each feed!

Here's hoping! grin

iamci Fri 31-May-13 04:20:47

Here's hoping ifatfirst!

I'm actually awake and baby isn't now. what gives?! Wednesday night's transfer to basket was an epic fail (several times) - finally got him down at 5 for two hours.

think I'm awake now as I managed to get in four naps during the day yesterday but tonight has actually been much better. he's only been up twice since going down - wondering if it's cause my milk has come in and he's fuller?

abi2790 Fri 31-May-13 06:26:22

I was wondering where mrsn is too larle. Congrats on the weight loss grin.

Ds woke around 3:30 whimpering as he had gotten stuck trying to get onto his front but luckily once I put him on his front properly he fell asleep again until 6 smile

Woohoo, 7:30 wake up! smile What makes it even better is that each time I put DS back in his Moses basket he was still awake but didn't grumble and sent himself off to sleep. However, I don't hold much hope for him going back to sleep no with the sun being up. Think I might hand him over to DH for a cuddle while I squeeze in a bit more sleep myself! wink

Annoyingly, after I put DS down his 4am feed it took ages for me to get back to sleep myself. I lay wide awake listening to DS and DH snoring - what gives!?!?

Anypants Fri 31-May-13 08:12:11

Been there ifatfirst. Pretty annoying when you feel like you're trying to go to sleep in a farm and you just can't shut off. I normally end up kicking DH until he stops and rolls over. Unfortunately, you just have to learn to block out your LO's noises. I don't hear DD anymore unless she starts crying otherwise I don't think i'd ever get any sleep. confused

larlemucker Fri 31-May-13 09:00:38

Baby larle woke an hour after transfer, again. So fed, put in cot. Woke an hour later, rocked to sleep. In the night I tried to move in bed and couldn't. Forgot he was asleep on my arm, again!!!

Think I am going to have to resign myself to the fact that he wants to sleep in our bed! I just don't know how he manages to wake up EXACTLY an hour after transfer!!!

Anypants Fri 31-May-13 22:26:08

How's everyone's nights going so far? We went to the beach today - lots of fresh air so am hoping DD will sleep soundly grin

abi2790 Fri 31-May-13 22:26:12

Ds has not been happy today with the heat. Plus I felt a little bit of his first tooth grin! He's woken up twice tonight already and been very upset so I've given some calpol and he seems to be going back to sleep.

larlemucker Sat 01-Jun-13 00:26:58

DS woke at half 11, had 2 transfer fails. Does not bode well hmmhmm

SoYo Sat 01-Jun-13 02:18:01

Evening all. <gets cups out, boils kettle, makes strong coffee, builders brew, chamomile etc. lays out jammy dodgers>

Madam is having a snuffly feed. Back is bad so feeding is painful. Massive temptation to feed lying down but that will lead to co-sleeping which will mean I won't move all night so back will be worse. hmm

We're back at the GP's again this weekend. It's great, I get looked after and have all my meals cooked by my DF and my DM will happily relieve me from DS!
After an awful evening with DS screaming my DM quickly worked out that the poor lad had wind. He must have been in so much pain as I've never seen him so upset, it broke my heart, and he brought up the biggest burp I've ever heard!
After that DM did a fantastic job of settling him and managed to get him asleep in his basket by about 11pm and he's just woken for his first night feed! smile
Go on lad, give mummy another 4 hours again!!

Oh dear, up again already! hmm

abi2790 Sat 01-Jun-13 05:48:03

It's horrible when they can't get their wind up isn't it ifatfirst?-Ds used to get really windy when he was much younger ans cried for hours. He now usually just pukes all over me and he's fine!

He finally settled properly around 10:30 and has just woken up. Considering his tooth seems to be bothering him I thought we might have been up all night but 7ish hours is great grin.

larlemucker Sat 01-Jun-13 08:53:29

Not jealous at all abi!!!

We were up again an hour and a half after putting baby larle in cot, he really wasn't happy in there last night and wouldn't transfer. So ended up co-sleeping again.

Sun is shining here, hope its nice where you are

larlemucker Sun 02-Jun-13 03:36:13

Hello!!!!!! Anybody there?????

SoYo Sun 02-Jun-13 04:09:00

Hi Larle, you can always rely on us to be here! 2nd feed!

We took madam to a party yesterday & she got very distracted & went 3.5hrs between feeds. Fed her in the car before coming the 1.5hr drive home but she screamed like a banshee in the car so ad a few stops & it was 11.30 before we got home so half past midnight before getting her into bed. I had secret hopes that the party, screaming, journey, late bed etc might make for longer sleeps but no, standard times.

I'm also getting very fed up of the "isn't she sleeping through yet, oh, all mine were at that age" brigade. Not helpful!

abi2790 Sun 02-Jun-13 06:27:12

Morning ladies.

Soyo those sorts of comments make me want to punch people haha. People say "you need a routine and he will sleep through". I couldn't have him in more of a routine!!

We are now moved into our new home smile. I was expecting Ds to sleep terribly as I didn't get to bath him until 7:30 but he only woke up once. He's still asleep now but I can't sleep sad.

soyo we were at a baby group on Wednesday, talking to a mum who said shamefacedly and slightly defensively that her son was a bad sleeper. I cheerfully replied that BG had never slept through in his 10-month life, at which point she looked SO grateful, and said, "oh, I thought everyone else's baby sleeps through by now - I always get told how good they are at sleeping!"
At which point we both decided that everyone is lying!!!! grin

Last four nights have been better. Still feeding but settling much quicker afterwards. Now if we can just sort the 5 am start to the day... hmm

larlemucker Sun 02-Jun-13 07:14:31

Well I'm currently conducting an experiment. Last night baby larle was in our bed all night and he woke 3 times, fed twice.
Tonight in going to put him in his cot and see how he sleeps. If worse I'm buying a bed guard and keeping him in with me!!

Another good night!
DS fell asleep on my DM at about 8pm and slept until 11:30. Big feed, quick nappy change and he was straight back in his Moses basket and slept until 4:50am! As usual, as the room was now full of light he took it as a cue to have a play (cooing at the curtains and smiling at the shadows grin)
After his feed we put him in our bed as he was far too awake to settle in his basket and he nodded off and slept until 8:00!!

Bizarrely, the more sleep I'm getting these days the more tired I'm feeling!confused

lazzaroo Sun 02-Jun-13 09:58:13

Hi all. Been away for a couple of days. Just have to say constant questions about sleeping drive me insane! None more than 'is she good? Does she sleep' somehow implying that not sleeping makes her a bad baby sad

Anypants Sun 02-Jun-13 10:25:19

I had someone say 'is she stretching out at night now?' and I said 'yes, she's grown to about two feet now' but apparently they were enquiring about how long she slept. It's along the lines of asking how much a baby weighs at birth though - the information is useless to anyone but you but people feel the need to ask. They don't ask how many nappies they get through, or how often you do the washing, or what time you eat dinner. Stuff em. I tell them I haven't slept for days and invite them to come and help. Funnily, they don't accept hmm

lazzaroo Sun 02-Jun-13 18:28:05

On bedtime feed already. It always seems a bit early but she's always shattered by now. Is tending to wake from last nap about 3/4ish so no time to squeeze another sleep in but I wonder if it's contributing to the early wake ups.

She has started napping for longer in the afternoon. She still wakes after 40mins-hour but will be rocked back to sleep.

Had carrot puree for tea. Pulled some funny faces but was happy to eat more so I think that's a success!

Off on hols tomorrow. Hope the Sun keeps shining smile

lazzaroo Sun 02-Jun-13 18:32:37

larle interested to hear how you get on tonight. Good luck!

I agree any but it feels like a kind of parenting test....which I'm obviously failing (for the second time?) it is the one thing that really gets my back up. My IL's still ask how dd1 slept or what time was she up & she's 3! aaahhhhh!!

larlemucker Sun 02-Jun-13 19:01:59

Just put the jug thing from the hand blender in the steriliser, it's come out a funny shape! Whoops!!!

mummy2under2 Sun 02-Jun-13 22:52:47

Hello Im new have an 8 week old tounge tie baby that im exclusivly breastfeeding! 8.1lbs at birth and now almost 14lbs. as you might not toungetie babies can be lazy latchers lol so he hangs of my nipple most of the time but he is getting alot better but night times are the hardest; though best time to feed as we ligh down me on my back him on side and it seems to really be fab but because hes tired his latch can be lazier and there for he ends up in and out of his bed ( after his 4 hour strech) for the whole night!!
he isnt feeding right now but wanted to introduce myself and wonered if i could join> i am finding it hard stayin awake dealing with my 15 month old now shes started waking up in night too so exasusted.

how do you even type DURING a feed? what position is ur baby in l? x

Anypants Mon 03-Jun-13 00:58:35

Welcome mummy2 - i'm on a new fangled smart phone so it's a one handed job for me, although I do make plenty of mistakes and it takes ages smile
Did you bring any biscuits?
First feed here since a late bedtime at 9.30pm. Not normally up so soon so I figure.something's up.
I know it's TMI but DD has been going for two or three days.without pooing (apparently ok if ebf) but I am a little concerned that she went once on Friday (usual poonami) then twice yesterday and today has been three times. Do you think I should be concerned? hmm

larlemucker Mon 03-Jun-13 01:51:23

Welcome mummy2 and congratulations!!

I manage to type as DS is in the rugby ball position (so under my arm) and if u get it right I can have both hands free!!

We're on third feed since we came to bed at 10.30. Currently DS is going back into cot for my experiment. He has already woken more than last night although looking at his gums he is cutting a tooth so I expect more wakings.

Think I'm gonna attempt transfer as baby larle asleep!

Sleepy dust to all!!

iamci Mon 03-Jun-13 01:53:44

haven't managed to put James down in his basket without him waking yet tonight. can barely keep eyes open. thought we were going to have an ok night as he's fed loads today and has been more alert. both tired so latch not great - ow sad

larlemucker Mon 03-Jun-13 03:02:03

Up again this is deffo worse than last night

iamci Mon 03-Jun-13 03:17:03

hi larle,we managed an hour and a half but up again.serve me right for only having one quick nap on couch today.

SoYo Mon 03-Jun-13 05:03:46

Morning, anyone for brew & a Jaffa cake?

We've had some form of miraculous night which I'm sure wont be repeated for months. Madam went down after ridiculous mega screaming fit when bad mummy left it too long after tired cues at 9.45 & has just woken up. That's 7 hours! She wasn't even crying now but my boobs are absolute agony & have woken me up every hour for past 3hrs! Now feeding from the first & I'm concerned the other might actually pop.

So what are the chances she'll go a couple more hours after this feed? Slim right? I need to make the most of this now because its jabs day here so cue a very unsettled few days!

lazzaroo Mon 03-Jun-13 07:47:45

Welcome mummy2. Sounds like you're little one has got off to a great start despite the tongue tie. Well done!

Usual million wake ups here. Woke up at 4.20! and wouldn't go back to sleep! It's going to e a long day!

larlemucker Mon 03-Jun-13 11:14:15

Been to see HV for weight in, little man is 15lb 14oz at 22 and a half weeks.

Bit confused though with his sleeping as she said he is too young for any sleep training but not to let him sleep in our bed as then he will wake up because he knows he will get to sleep in our bed. So does that mean that we have to carry on with the hourly wakings??

SoYo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:34:23

Great advice there Larle, are you sure we don't share a HV, one that's as useful as a chocolate fire guard?

larlemucker Mon 03-Jun-13 20:39:40

Wouldnt surprise me soyo! Mind you she has been helpful apart from that

Little man is cutting a tooth, not a happy chappy tonight hmm

abi2790 Mon 03-Jun-13 22:27:09

Sorry I haven't been posting much. It's hard to find the energy when attempting to unpack everything into our new home (seems an endless task!) And pleasing a baby who's cutting a tooth. He's sleeping as he normally would but in the daytime he seems very agitated and won't latch. I'm worried about him getting dehydrated in this hot weather. Plus he has a very hot, red cheek sad

marshmallow2468 Tue 04-Jun-13 04:27:12

May I join you? DS (4 months) used to be an amazing sleeper and only woke once. Suddenly he's up four or five times a night. This has been going on for over a fortnight now. I feel like I'm going slightly crazy with exhaustion!

SoYo Tue 04-Jun-13 05:35:00

Hi Marsh <waves and offers dark choc digestive>

I'm dreading the 4 month sleep regression. We're just getting DD down to 2/3 times a night with a late, prolonged, screamy bedtime & hate the thought of it getting worse again!

larlemucker Tue 04-Jun-13 05:47:29

Welcome marsh. We were down to two wakes a night and then the sleep regression hit, now up every hour! Well that's if he is in his own cot, in our bed he woke at midnight and now!!!
I'm so stiff and achy though from not moving all night!!

abi2790 Tue 04-Jun-13 05:59:06

Welcome marsh brew.

Ds slept really well but is now refusing to go back to sleep. He's happy in his cot so I might be able to get another 10 minutes but who am kidding hopefully he'll settle himself.

Anypants Tue 04-Jun-13 07:31:32

Welcome marsh <waves>

Hooorah - finally slept until 7 this morning, considering she'd been up a lot the night before. Hard to see it as anything other than a fluke as I keep doing the same thing in the day but get very different outcomes at night. I guess I get a few more weeks of this before all hell breaks loose at the four month mark and we go back to nighttime misery... envy
Belvita breakfast biscuit anyone? biscuit

marshmallow2468 Tue 04-Jun-13 08:10:01

Well, he was up four times last night, barely sleeping an hour in between wakings. Three of them he fed, the fourth DH got up with him. I've read about the four month sleep regression, reckon we're right in the middle of it. Oh for the days of one waking at 4am. You could set your clock by it!

DS is fully breastfed. Anybody tried giving a bottle of formula before bed? I have a (maybe misconceived) idea that that might fill him up and let him sleep for longer. At the very least, DH could give him the last feed of the day and I could get an early night! But I worry this would have a detrimental effect on my supply. I was only planning on breastfeeding until 6 months, so don't know if the effect would be that bad considering I was planning to start replacing some feeds with formula from about five months.

larlemucker Tue 04-Jun-13 13:29:18

marsh we've tried everything, the only thing that makes DS sleep is being in our bed!!!

Anypants Tue 04-Jun-13 18:15:34

marsh - you may want to see if he'll take a bottle at all because mine did to begin with but started refusing it about a month ago. I use expressed milk though so you may have more luck with formula. I tend to tank up my DD before bed with two feeds and a bath in between right before bedtime. Some nights it works, some nights not so much. I find if she feeds at least six times in the day she'll go longer between feeds at night. Haven't hit the four month regression though... hmm

marshmallow2468 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:50:28

He's had bottles of expressed milk so hopefully he'll take to a bottle if that's what I decide to do. He's just finished what is usually the last feed before I take him to bed. Anybody want to place a bet on the first waking time and how many times? My money's on four times, with the first one at 11.48pm.

marshmallow2468 Tue 04-Jun-13 22:51:19

10.43pm for the first waking. Hope it's the only one, but not hopeful

larlemucker Wed 05-Jun-13 00:00:25

Warm night here which I don't think will help things!

Baby larle has just woken for second feed. He has bad wind tonight! He had banana over the weekend and it bunged him up for 3 days! So no more banana for a while!
Pear went down well today, could be that which is making him fart though!!

Sleepy dust to all

SoYo Wed 05-Jun-13 01:29:26

Bit tired for proper post <waves & looks to see if anyone has kettle on>

marshmallow2468 Wed 05-Jun-13 02:18:38

Third waking of the night here.....

I'm beginning to go slightly insane! Suspect this will only improve with weaning and looking forward to that! Then I worry I'm wishing my baby's life away. The worries of the sleep deprived brain!

larlemucker Wed 05-Jun-13 06:27:06

Never thought I'd say this but I miss baby poo!!! Baby larle now doing adult like poos, think I need to keep a clothes peg in the nursery for nappy changing!!! (Sorry if TMI!)

abi2790 Wed 05-Jun-13 08:21:50

I know what you mean about the poo larle haha. Ds is eating what we eat now and his poo is very stinky!!

Ds has been a nightmare this morning. He woke up around 5 and wouldn't go back to sleep until I took him downstairs around 7. He's now fast asleep in his bouncer whilst I'm struggling to keep my eyes open!

abi2790 Wed 05-Jun-13 09:17:22

Ds is still asleep! I put him in his bouncer at 7:25! Why couldn't he do that at 5 this morning?!

larlemucker Wed 05-Jun-13 10:26:07

Lol abi!!!

Bed guard arrived and on bed. Can't believe I'm a co-sleeping mum!!!! I was so adamant I wouldn't cos I was scared of squashing him!!

Anypants Thu 06-Jun-13 03:28:43

Hey ho - we're back to stupid, random wakings these last couple of nights. I know it's because she's been going four hours between feeds during the day and therefore i'm trying to squeeze in three feeds between 4 and 8 pm to get her tanked up. Clearly it's not working and i'll have to go back to three hourlys.
On a good note though - offered her a bottle again yesterday (after a two week gap) and she actually drank from it! No messing about grin
Thank goodness - going to try again today to make sure it's not a fluke and then i'll be alright to leave DD with my Mum on Monday. Although, there's still the issue of her not taking a nap without crying and being cuddled to sleep - my Mum says 'I used to just put you down and you'd go to sleep'. I had to explain that I don't have one of those babies and that i'm obviously a bad mother for rocking my baby to sleep every day. She didn't correct me...envy

SoYo Thu 06-Jun-13 03:33:30

3rd feed here, after a few days of going 6-7hrs we've decided a night of 1-2 hrs was called for!

Anypants Thu 06-Jun-13 04:28:51

Hey soyo <waves>
Just 'fed' for an hour and what I suspected was an asleep baby was not, actually, asleep.
Just cuddling a bit more and feel surprisingly awake shock

Best nights sleep since DS was born 8 weeks ago! He fell asleep on the boob at 9:30 last night, didn't flinch when I lifted him in to his Moses basket (was concerned about wind as I get to burp him) and he slept right until 6:15 this morning! grin
Needless to say he is wide awake merrily jigging away in my arms. Might as well get up now.

larlemucker Thu 06-Jun-13 08:34:09

First night last night with bed guard. Baby larle in our bed all night, woke for 3 feeds at midnight, 3 and 5 so massive improvement!! We've also mastered the art of feeding lying down which is why I didn't post last night.

Sounds like there were some much better nights last night!

Put on 2lb at WW hmmhmm think it was the bag of giant buttons I ate after last weeks meeting!!!! Naughty me!!
Also there was no swimming or Pilates on last week so I didn't do as much exercise as usual.

Lovely sunny day again here, hope its nice where you are and you have a lovely day (why do people on here spell nice naice??)

abi2790 Thu 06-Jun-13 20:14:18

Sorry I haven't been posting very much. I've been too tired at night time!

Ds is fast asleep now. We've already had one waking but he fed for about 10 minutes then went back to sleep. His cheek is really red again and he's now got two teeth pushing through so I think that may be why he's been waking up very upset.

Sky setup man is coming tomorrow morning... I'm so excited! Finally will have some proper telly to watch in our new home! We've got baby massage in the morning so I will be dying to get home!

SoYo Fri 07-Jun-13 02:17:05

Wow it really has gone quiet around here!

Madam is undergoing her 4mth sleep regression a bit early well I bloody hope so, it can't get worse again can it? and it not only taking hours to get down with lots of screaming etc she's waking u every 2hrs.

I am shattered plus something's just twanged in my neck. Ouch!

larlemucker Fri 07-Jun-13 04:29:00

Baby larle took forever to get to sleep last night. Ended up taking his gro bag off and he has slept in a baby gro. Think he was just too warm.

Think we're up for the second time tonight so not bad going at all.

Water babies is back on today so looking forward to that. Also the woman who runs booby group has some new wraps which she is selling so this morn we will be testing them for her!!

Hope it's quiet cos everyone is asleep and not just too tired to post!!!

abi2790 Fri 07-Jun-13 06:37:53

Ds slept from 8 until 6!! [Grin] He stirred quite a bit when getting onto his tummy but it didn't wake him. He's still tired though but refusing to go back to sleep. He keeps trying to play whilst rubbing his eyes and yawning! I bet as soon as I take him downstairs he'll go straight to sleep.

lazzaroo Fri 07-Jun-13 15:37:37

Afternoon all! Back from a lovely sunny week's holiday. Sleep still shocking but nice to beep at all hours in new surroundings!!

Had told myself that we'd have to 'sort this sleep thing out' after Holiday but not actually sure what that means now. Sleep training? Is she still too young though?

Wll read back through thread later to catch up. Hope some of you have had miraculous improvements. I just glimpsed sight of a thread called 'how to cope when your baby starts to sleep through'!! Seriously!! How to cope!! I'd be having a bloody party! Oh no, hang on....I'd be asleep!

Anypants Sat 08-Jun-13 02:13:42

We're trying DD in her cot in her room tonight. Can't claim success as she's awake and feeding now. She went down at 8.30 though so could be just first night nerves and am praying she'll go back to sleep without a fuss hmm

SoYo Sat 08-Jun-13 06:02:02

How did it go Any?

Anypants Sat 08-Jun-13 08:29:17

Well - not too bad. She was up at 2am and only fed for 15 mins and went back to sleep quickly. Then she woke again at 5am and I angrily fed her, again for 15 mins but then realised she smelled of poo... I've put up blackout blinds and had to change her in the dark (with the door slightly ajar) so as not to let her know it was 'morning'. Tricky but it worked.(although there is a pile of pooey clothes and a blanket that I need to address fairly soon). I fed her back to sleep blush but she then lasted until now - I woke up at 8 and went in to see her awake and happily playing. Nothing helps you after an up and down night like a big smile from your LO when you say 'good morning'! grin

abi2790 Sat 08-Jun-13 08:47:38

Morning all.

Ds was asleep at 8:30 and woke at 12, 3 and 7. Not a great night for us but I don't feel too tired. We had some drunks shouting outside our house at 2am which really pissed me off but luckily only woke me and not ds.

Hope everyone has a nice weekend in the sun smile

Anypants Sat 08-Jun-13 23:34:30

Aaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. Screamy crying from 5pm until 10pm - just wouldn't go to sleep. Is now asleep but feel I haven 't won yet.

Just saying. envy

Anypants Sun 09-Jun-13 01:04:38

Nooooo. Up already? WTF have I done wrong today? DH is away tonight and I am really having a s*it time. Why me and why now? No fair.

larlemucker Sun 09-Jun-13 03:29:45

Teething or colic any?

What happened on BGT tonight with the eggs? Those poor blokes, very impressed that they carried on singing.

We've been product testing carriers today, baby larle has enjoyed it as he has been facing out for the first time!

Urgh, so tired! Can hardly keep eyes open

Hope it's quiet cos people are sleeping

Anypants Sun 09-Jun-13 08:11:15

Larle - I think colic as I couldn't feel any teeth and she hasn't got red cheeks. Also, it was on and off crying so she'd get louder amd louder and then be quiet (not asleep) for around 10 mins. And she was fine and happily played at bathtime (7.30) but just continued screaming after that. Followed the bedtime routine but she was wide awake after her feed and just got more screamy. I finally gabe in and fed her to sleep at 9pm which did the trick. She woke at 1 and 5 last night and I even popped her back in the moses between those times but after the 5am feed she wouldn't settle so I put her back in the cot (where I couldn't hear her so much blush )
So, in addition to the colic, we've gone from 8.30pm - around 5am most nights to an extra wake up now at 1 or 2am.
To make matters worse, DH was away last night (back later today) but I was literally losing it at several points and had noone to hand her to for a break sad
Rant over. Now I have to face going to church this morning to sort out DD's christening - right when she'll ne due her next feed. Smashing - everyone loves a crying baby in church, don't they? envy

lazzaroo Sun 09-Jun-13 10:47:24

Morning all. Thank god the sun is shining....makes it slightly easier to drag myself out of bed!

Last night was ok by our standards. Only one feed between 7pm and 2.30am and she stayed in her cot, but it all went a bit pear shaped after that!

larle how's the weaning going? Did carrot puree with baby rice last night. That went down well. Just wondering if you have any kind of routine? I had read somewhere that they shouldn't be replacing milk feeds at this stage but my annabel karmel book suggests otherwise. I'm still offering boob loads, probably too much! And feel like between milk, meals & naps there's not much time left in the day for anything else!

lazzaroo Sun 09-Jun-13 13:02:19

First tooth has broken through the gum!

Good evening all.

Well, I wouldn't quite call it graduating as we still wake every night, but things are 1000 times better. BG feeds once or twice and goes straight back to sleep; waking for the day is now between 5 and 6. Early but doable for me! So I shall drop in every so often to see how you are all doing but won't be able to be a regular.

I hope improvements are just around the corner for everybody!

larlemucker Sun 09-Jun-13 21:41:40

Hiya goat <waves baby larles hand for him!!>

lazza we also have our first tooth!! Dunno if we are replacing milk feeds as I feed on demand.
Our routine is booby for breakfast, usually both, then porridge about half hour after booby.
Booby feed all day then tea between 6 and 7. Tea is 2 cubes of veg and 2 cubes of fruit (ice cube trays slightly smaller than normal ones).
He then usually wants a boob after tea. Then he feeds to sleep. Still feeding about 3 times a night too!!

I'm not planning on introducing a lunch just yet. He usually has a boob just before or just after food.

We tried papaya tonight, glad he liked it considering it cost £1.45!! Won't be having that very often.
The only thing he has struggled with is apple, he finds it a bit tart so I mix it with pear.

Tomorrow we're going to try butternut squash!!

Sleepy dust to all

Hope the colic is better any. I had a night like that when DH was away, it's horrid. He got an earful for going away!!

abi2790 Sun 09-Jun-13 21:58:48

Evening all.

Woohoo finally bedtime smile Ds had his first sunday roast today! He loved it too. I've found weaning much easier if I just feed him what me and dp eat.

I'm shattered tonight so I'm hoping for a good night's sleep. Spreading lots of sleepy dust!

Oh and why has it been so quiet lately?! I hope it means we have lots of sleeping babies!

SoYo Sun 09-Jun-13 22:10:01

Hi Abi & everyone

Sleeps got worse again here, 4+ times between 8-6 & usually far too tired to post.

We're currently on holiday in Cornwall & madam's had a bad evening. I can't decide if she's just hot & bothered or a bit poorly as she's had a couple of big nasty vomits & definitely more crying than normal.

Last night I didn't get her down until midnight so today she's shattered on top of it so been in bed for an hour. Fingers crossed for a better night!

lazzaroo Mon 10-Jun-13 00:47:36

First wake up at 11.20 but she's still awake! Won't feed to sleep or be rocked. Not grumpy, just frustrating!

lazzaroo Mon 10-Jun-13 01:03:51

Finally gone back to sleep on me. I'm desperate for some sleep so going to put her back in soon will I regret that!?!

abi2790 Mon 10-Jun-13 10:02:47

We had a bad night too lazza. He woke 3 times last night when he usually only wakes once. He has just had two teeth come through so I'm not sure if it's that but I thought the worst bit would be them pushing through?

lazzaroo Mon 10-Jun-13 12:02:22

Was beginning to think I'd been abandoned & everyone was sleeping soundly!!

2nd tooth through here too. I'm not sure if it was teeth as she was not crying at all. Just awake! She didn't settle in cot so was in with me & up for the day at 5.30. I am beyond tired!

abi2790 Tue 11-Jun-13 02:22:13

First feed here. I wiah I knew what is waking him. Surely it can't be hunger if he has done 10 hours in one go a coiple of times?!

SoYo Tue 11-Jun-13 02:55:14

Morning. First feed. I was really solidly asleep so struggling a bt o be awake. So tempting o just rest my head back & snooze! Madams still snotty & snorting away & has been very difficult to settle in her Moses basket here. I'm so so looking forward to the day I get more than a few hours consecutive sleep!

larlemucker Tue 11-Jun-13 03:45:41


Third feed here. Fed at half 10 and half 1.

Been to baptism rehearsal this eve, hoping that baby larle can behave himself for the hour and a half of the service!!

Struggling to keep eyes open..............

Jojobump1986 Tue 11-Jun-13 04:31:02

Hello everyone! I had DS2 at 2.15pm on Sunday. Feeding seems to be going well so far, although he doesn't seem to be an every-3-hours sort of baby. Yesterday evening he went 4 hours between feeds before we woke him & then he was attached to me for the next 1.5 hours! We've had 4 hours sleep since then before he was snuffling enough to disturb me - he was still asleep though! At the moment he seems to be feeding to sleep after maybe 10 minutes, letting go & dozing before waking up & rooting again!

Seeing the midwife sometime today so I'll see how his weight is doing. I'm happy to have an unconventional feeding schedule if it suits him, although I'm not sure how DS1 will react to me being stuck feeding DS2 for 1.5 hours! He's only 19m so still quite dependent. Oh well, nearly 2 weeks left to figure it out before DH is back at work & we have to go it alone!

larlemucker Tue 11-Jun-13 05:26:51

Congratulations jojo!!

Don't worry about the feeding. Feed on demand, it will help your supply and means you are feeding baby because he is hungry. I sympathise with the long feeds/no sleep, DS fed every 40 mins for 3 days when he was about a week old!!

I'm trying to explain to baby larle why 20 past 5 is NOT getting up time!!!!

abi2790 Tue 11-Jun-13 07:38:17

Congratulations Jojo! Yep definitely keep feeding on demand. Ds would feed for hours at a time in the early days. He still does now sometimes at 6 months.

We had a transfer fail last night so I didn't get back to sleep until 3. We've never really suffered from transfer fails but since we've moved house it happens at least once every night. Tbf I think it could possibly be down to his teeth as he has a red cheek again. I just hope everything goes back to normal once his teeth are fully through.

Ds is back to sleep now after waking at 6:30. Hopefully I'll manage to get a little more sleep otherwise I won't be able to function today!

Jojobump1986 Tue 11-Jun-13 08:11:37

He's just had a nice 20 minute feed, let go & flopped his cheek against me like a pillow. I forgot how cute they are when they do that! grin I much prefer 20 minute, 1-sided feeds to 1.5 hour, both-sides marathons!

I can't get over how different his feeding is to DS1. It took us nearly a week just to get him to suck once latched - had to express until he would. Even then it was a struggle to get him to feed regularly & he wouldn't feed for more than 10-15 minutes! It's so nice to have a baby with a little enthusiasm! I've definitely reached the not-used-to-it soreness phase though - ouch!

larlemucker Tue 11-Jun-13 08:18:20

If you're sore it could be a bad latch. Do you have a booby group near you where you could have his latch checked?

Jojobump1986 Tue 11-Jun-13 08:24:43

I'm pretty sure the latch is ok - I take him off & start again when it doesn't feel right. He just gets a bit excited at the start of feeds & does a giant clamping bite to claim it as his before latching properly! It's very cute, in a painful sort of way! grin The midwife should be popping round at some point today so I'll get her to check it if he happens to be hungry while she's here, just incase!

abi2790 Tue 11-Jun-13 09:09:30

I was so sore for about a week and latch was good. I nearly gave up but then I healed up and have loved bf ever since grin.

larlemucker Tue 11-Jun-13 16:44:02

I wasn't sore but my nipples felt very sensitive. Had to wear breast pads, not for leakage but because I couldn't stand the feel of my bras against my nipples!!

abi2790 Tue 11-Jun-13 22:47:31

Evening ladies. I'm feeling like crap today and ds has been up 3 times since 7 sad.

Sending lots of sleepy dust brew.

SoYo Wed 12-Jun-13 02:28:53

Congratulations JoJo, my latch was always fine too but I still thought it was like a very small Alsatian chewing on your nipple bloody agony at first. Just remember it gets better really qckly.

I'm absolutely exhausted here. I honestly think I could sleep for 24hrs solid! One we get through tonight I'm going to ask DH to take madam for bit in the morning so I can snooze.

Anypants Wed 12-Jun-13 04:04:34

Good morning!
Am up for first feed - been down since 9pm so not too bad. However, DD had been in her cot in her room for a few nights as an experiment but she kept waking at 1am so i've moved her back to her moses. No 1am wake up this morning but she certainly isn't sleeping as long as she could. I think we may have hit the sleep regression experience as she had been going through until dawn. Although, I tried some nap times yesterday that I will try and stick to (tricky today as have a play group, lunch at DM's and a visit to the mad MIL) to see if it can make a difference.
Still shattered after my KIT day on Monday but glad I did it and got to see DD at lunchtime so it wasn't too traumatic (for her or me blush )
Would love a bit more sleep though... brew brew brew

abi2790 Wed 12-Jun-13 06:10:13

Sooo tired! Ds was up at 11:45, 1, 3 and 5:20. It can't be hunger as he doesn't seem interested in feeding when he wakes he just wants to get back to sleep. Dp took him downstairs at one point I think but it didn't get him to sleep. Aarrgghh what do I do sad?

Dp has his friends round tonight which I'm dreading. If they think I'm being stuck upstairs all evening they can think again!

lazzaroo Wed 12-Jun-13 07:20:04

Another night of no sleep. I sympathise any. I am at the 'what do I do' stage too as I no longer believe it's just going to resolve itself....or at least not soon enough to save my sanity or stop me doing something stupid due to over tiredness.

Little lazza settled at 7 and slept till 10. She fed a bit, but
I don't really think she's hungry. Wouldn't feed back to sleep. Was awake about an hour before getting grumpy. DH settled her, she woke 10mins after being in cot so he slept with her in rocking chair in nursery. She woke again at 2.30. Fed back to sleep & was then on me, but unsettled, until she 4.50am!! Has just gone down again at 7am.

DH goes away again today so next 2 nights are all me sad. I was literally in tears this morning about the thought of it. Dh's answer 'you'll just have to let her cry herself to sleep'! Helpful. Even though we are probably going to end up sleep training (not leaving her to cry!), how he expects me to do it alone I don't know.

lazzaroo Wed 12-Jun-13 07:21:36

Sorry, I meant abi! although I do sympathise with everyone else struggling too!

abi2790 Wed 12-Jun-13 18:43:59

lazza I think I would find it easier if Dp could do something in the night to settle Ds but it seems only I can get him to sleep. He's 6 months now and for the past couple of weeks he has been sleeping for shorter periods than when he was a newborn!! I wish he would have expressed milk from a bottle but he won't. He'll drink from a sippy cup but the only way he'll go to sleep is if I breast feed him to sleep. In the early weeks he would let Dp rock him to sleep. I feel like it's my fault both me and Ds are so tired all the time sad

Anypants Wed 12-Jun-13 19:52:55

Don't beat yourself up abi. The bf last thing before bed should be the last one to go so you can keep that bond and you won't do it forever so, although it ties you down to be there every bedtime at the mo, treasure it as you may miss it when it's gone. That's what my Mum told me smile

Anypants Wed 12-Jun-13 19:55:55

and he'll soon grow out of the middle of the night feeds too and, in a funny way, you'll miss that too!
(sorry - pressed 'post' too soon blush )

lazzaroo Wed 12-Jun-13 20:17:09

abi we're just a couple of weeks off 6 months too and sleep has definitely got worse not better! She also won't take a bottle. It's really hard not to be able to get a break at all. I have given up tickets to 2 things recently (theatre & concert) because I can't leave her. Tickets were booked before she arrived, when I was optimistic & convinced we couldn't have a second bottle refuser!!

It's not your fault. You do what you need to do in the early days and it will get better. We have a very happy, caring toddler (who sleeps all night....mostly!) but she was a troublesome sleeper too. It's just so ard to see any solutions or end in sight when you're so tired. I end up wishing the time away, which I don't want.

I suppose I should be going to sleep now in anticipation of a long night ahead! Good luck all!

larlemucker Wed 12-Jun-13 23:02:03

Exactly the same here. Few weeks off 6 months and I'm the only one who can settle him. Thankfully he does take a bottle but that has never managed to settle him in the middle of the night, a lot of the time it's suckling not food he wants.

I've become a breastfeeding, co-sleeping, sling wearing, reusable nappy using earth mother!!! I SO didn't expect that!!! At the end of the day you do what you need to do to get some sleep.

I also keep thinking its my fault he is this way as all my friends babies sleep through but I just think its the way he is. I'm going to enjoy all the cuddles as much as I can as a day will come when he won't want to cuddle me anymore hmm

Just said to DH god knows how we'll settle him when I stop bf!!!

SoYo Thu 13-Jun-13 01:27:54

Evening all,

We're still in holiday & bedtimes are all over the place. I started bedtime feed tonight at 8.30 but it was thrashy with her messing & not drinking much so I stopped & we were just cuddling her & she fell asleep so was out to bed but now up early as she didn't go to bed full & this probably means a whole extra feed or a very early morning. Boo. She's thrashing & messing again now too. Think she's got a sore tummy as she's taken to only having one dirty nappy a week & it's been 5 days.

I'm shattered & she's not even 4 months & I'm sure I'll be just like you Lazza, Larle & Any in another 2 months. I'm already finding myself dreading other people telling me about their babies that sleep through!

Anypants Thu 13-Jun-13 05:19:06

Now, i'm normally very tolerant. Normally. But this baby lark has got me befuddled. So DD (who is 3 and half months now) is being a pain in the arse. She wouldn't go to sleep.after bath/feed/story, despite actually being mostly asleep at the point I tried to put her down. Then there was an awful hour of desperately trying to get her to close her eyes (not crying but no amount of rocking, shhhhing or jiggling could make her) and if I put her down, she smiled at me and thrashed about until her blanket was all over the place. Gave in at 10pm and drugged fed her to sleep (because it works but I don't want to do it when she was on the boob for an hour prior) as she'd been awake 5 hours. Off she went and I stupidly thought that, after such a fight, i'd get a good sleep from her. Nah. 2am she woke - fed her although I could have.just tried to settle her as she was asleep again in 10 mins. Just now there was a lot of thrashing about so picked her up to rearrange her and settle her down and it pretty much woke her up and made her cry for food. Am having a hell of a time trying to deal with such an erratic sleep pattern and think the nights are getting worse, not better. It is a bit warm tonight so maybe it's just discomfort? She's just fallen asleep again... envy

Anypants Thu 13-Jun-13 05:35:27

And as soon as I moved her to try and wind her a bit, she started screaming. So i've put her back on. How do I get her back on track? Not overly enjoying the nights right now - only able to get through as she was an absolute angel all day yesterday - even taking naps without a fight.
I will try a different strategy today methinks. hmm

larlemucker Thu 13-Jun-13 06:45:12

4 month sleep regression any?

Sorry, no advice here, just remember you're doing a brilliant job and its not your fault.

Try posting in the sleep section

lazzaroo Thu 13-Jun-13 07:32:35

Up at 4.50am again this morning (and numerous times in the night obviously!). Got her back to sleep at 6.15, was praying for a little more sleep but literally as I put my head on my pillow dd1 woke up!

It's so unpredictable. Yesterday she woke at 5, went back to sleep at 7am and slept for 1hr45 mins! Today she just dd her normal 40mins. Never sure with early wake ups to try & keep her up as long as poss before nap or try and resettle her as if it's night time (which I generally don't have the energy for!)

Currently doing daytime naps every 2-2.5 hours as set times didn't really work as length of sleep so unpredictable. What are others with similar age little ones doing?

larlemucker Thu 13-Jun-13 09:23:39

lazza we're the same, naps every 2-2.5 hours as he never wakes at the same time in the morn or naps for the same amount of time. I can get a decent nap out of him in the afternoon but only if he naps on me!! Means I can't do much!

It seems to work for us although he is off to MILs this aft so he won't nap as she doesn't let him

lazzaroo Thu 13-Jun-13 21:15:06

Not just us then larle. she has wanted to sleep longer in the afternoons but usually only manages it by feeding back to sleep. I was out for a bit today so she didn't have that option! She's only had 4 45 min naps today (since 4.50!) so will see if that makes any difference tonight....I very much doubt it. I am debating now whether to bother going to sleep or not...I came to bed early last night and she woke approximately 4mins after my head hit the pillow...How do they know?!?

abi2790 Thu 13-Jun-13 21:31:20

Today has been another stressful day. Ds seems so tired all the time which makes him grumpy then leads to me being a bitch shouty towards dp. Poor dp!

Ds has just settled after a couple of transfer fails. Fingers crossed he's settled for the night!

lazzaroo Fri 14-Jun-13 00:22:32

Up for first feed....which is good for us! And has been in cot since going to sleep at 7pm. Had to settle her a few times between then and 9.30, but no milk till now. If I can get her back in cot after this feed it'll be a miracle! But I'll try!

abi2790 Fri 14-Jun-13 05:33:39

Ds was up at 12 and 5 which is quite good for. My eyes are really stingy though so it's taking me ages to write this post. We might have been back to sleep by now if ds hadn't dome the biggest poo ever!

lazzaroo Fri 14-Jun-13 06:40:16

Well, managed in her cot till 4am! And with only 2 feeds smile it's all gone a bit pear shaped since then but it's an improvement! She woke at 4am and snoozed in bed with me till 4.50am (again!). Got up with her and she's just gone back to sleep. I should probably try re-settling her straight away at 5am but never have the energy!

If better sleep was due to less daytime sleep then I'll have a dilemma today! I'm rubbish at waking a sleeping baby....especially when I'm so tired! And she was more grumpy than normal yesterday afternoon having had less sleep. Is that the trade off? Grumpy baby for more sleep?!

larlemucker Fri 14-Jun-13 20:44:18

Picked up baby larles christening gown today, made me cry! It's so beautiful! It's been made from my wedding dress, very traditional with a little bonnet! Can't wait, hope it stays dry

abi2790 Fri 14-Jun-13 22:08:56

My poor boy isn't happy at all tonight. 4 times he's woken up crying his heart out. I've tried settling him without feeding and I rocked him to sleep once but he woke when I put him in the cot. I also managed to help him settle himself at one point but he woke about 10 minutes later. I really don't know what's wrong him. He does cry when he wakes but he's happy once he see's me but tonight he just keeps crying. He's even crying whilst on my boob. I found a soft lump on his head this morning so now I'm panicking it's something to do with that even though I know it's probably nothing.

SoYo Sat 15-Jun-13 01:55:51

Larle the christening gown sounds wonderful, I really must organise our christening at some point!

Abi I'm sure you're right & it's nothing but why not pop to the GP on Monday so they can check it out & reassure you?

Madam is saving a bit of a regression sleep wise again at the moment both in terms of getting to sleep & number & timing f wakes. I'm shattered & very stingy eyed. I'm so hoping it'll get better soon.

Anypants Sat 15-Jun-13 03:07:32

DD is worse than ever.
Finally got her to sleep at 8.45 after a small amount of screamyness. DH gets home about 10.30 (long day at work? Tell me about it...) and madam decides to kick off. After 20 mins of pointless shhhhhhhhing I give in and feed her. I give her half an hour and she's zonked out. Put her down and 10 mins go by before she's screaming again. Maybe wind? Try in vain to release trapped wind for a while and keep putting her down - 5 mins of 'sleep' then scream city, with her eyes closed. I changed her and she let out a big old fart so I put her down again asleep by 12.00. Now she's up again feeding, but she's windy again and has been fidgeting on the boob for 10 mins.
Worst night so far. And I thought they were starting to get better. envy

ccridersuz Sat 15-Jun-13 03:27:13

Hi girls, I was wondering if you all have any help during the day in order for you to get a few extra hours sleep?
Do not be afraid of asking, believe me it is worth it.
I had twins for my sins and sis was more than happy to come and babysit for a couple of hours.

lazzaroo Sat 15-Jun-13 09:43:04

Usual night. Sorry you had bad night any, is she weaning? Could it be the effect of new foods on her tummy? I wonder if that is disturbing my DD sometimes. But then again, her sleep was bad before weaning! I'm just desperately trying to find a reason!

DD was up at 5.40. A lie in for us! Went back down for nap at 7.30 and is still asleep. Over 2 hours! I should probably wake her?! But she must need it?! Will probably pay for it tonight.

At least DH home now so he got up this morning while I had a lie in.

Anypants Sat 15-Jun-13 18:13:53

Not weaning yet lazza - she's jyst coming up to 4 months. The awful night seems to have been down to a stinking cold. She's been sicky and snotty all day so am not looking forward to tonight sad

larlemucker Sun 16-Jun-13 07:22:42

Wow no messages all night, hope that means everyone has slept.

It's baby larles big day today!!!

Anypants Sun 16-Jun-13 11:21:56

Have a great day larle - I hope baby larle laps up all the attention and gets completely worn out so you all get a good night's sleep tonight grin

lazzaroo Sun 16-Jun-13 14:38:01

Hope you've had a good day larle. last night was same as usual, with added bonus of dd1 waking too! Dd2 woke at 4.50am but DH settled her by 5am and put her down in the pushchair instead of cot....she slept till 7.30! what's that all about!

She's currently having a mammoth nap too. I just can't work her out!

abi2790 Sun 16-Jun-13 20:09:48

Hi ladies. Well Ds has slept through for the past 2 nights. This is still with 2 wakings and lots of screaming up until 9 pm but after that he has been sleeping until 7. I have been trying to cut out one of his night feeds which is why he's been getting so upset but I have to try something as he is literally feeding non-stop from 6 up until 9 with a couple of transfer fails inbetween. I'm definitely not going to complain about the 10 hour stints though!

Hope you both had a great day larle.

larlemucker Sun 16-Jun-13 20:33:41

Fantastic day, we're all knackered!! Baby larle was really good in church and didn't cry and looked amazing in his gown.

We are overwhelmed by the amount of presents he got. Loads of cake left over so anyone want some christening cake? Lemon sponge or Victoria sponge?

abi2790 Sun 16-Jun-13 21:20:38

Glad you had a great day larle. Lemon Sponge for me please grin!

DP woke DS up... Arrrggghhh!!!