How to stay awake during night feeds part 9!!

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MrsNPattz Thu 11-Apr-13 05:50:11

A nice shiny new thread!

SoYo Thu 11-Apr-13 05:56:57

Thanks MrsN!

So far tonight since 9pm.....3 feeds totalling 3hrs (but still going strong), 7 transfers (5 failed), 4hrs sleep, 2 nappies, 5 dark choc digestives, 1 greedy baby & a very very sleepy mummy.

Where the hell is that sleepy dust when I need it?

larlemucker Thu 11-Apr-13 06:06:01

Hello part 9!!
soyo sounds like a horrid night, how have you not eaten the whole pack if biscuits?!!!
Can't keep eyes open.............

funchum8am Thu 11-Apr-13 06:14:14

Thanks for new thread mrsn!

I have been up every 20 mins putting Ewan back on since 3am and now up for the day! babyfunch just cannot sleep past 3 at the moment. Still at my dad's but home today so may improve tonight but we are off to friends in Essex tomorrow for the weekend. So a bit ambitious but worth it to see good friends.

GiraffesAndButterflies Thu 11-Apr-13 06:49:23

Also admiring your restraint with the biscuits SoYo. They would not have lasted the night if left within my reach. Wishing you luck and sleepydust...

funchum hope you managed to catch some Zs before 3am...

Emilythornesbff Thu 11-Apr-13 07:57:49

Morning all.
Babythorne feeding now. Had a couple of night feeds and failed transfers but tbh I lose track in the night.
Ds here too. He was up a couple of times ( shock in lieu of frazzled emoticon) thankfully dh got up to him as I was feeding.

Well done on exercising willpower. My days of eating sugary snacks are over too. But it's soooo hard with ebf and sleep deprivation.

Babybeesmama Thu 11-Apr-13 08:18:31

Wow part 9! Well we have a consistent annoying pattern developed at night
7-1030/11pm In cot
11pm 7oz bottle
11-2am in cot
2am-3am cannot resettle
3am-530 in my bed
530-730 fidgets and kicks in my bed and I get no sleep!
He doesn't usually want a bottle at 2/3 if I make one! Just wish we could get rid of that waking confused any suggestions welcome! He woke up DD and then she came in bed for cuddles to kick me at 6! X

IAmJacksRagingBileDuct Thu 11-Apr-13 08:26:47

Thanks for new thread mrsn smile

larle I read The Host a while back, I'm interested to see how they made a film out of it since the book is largely made up of the main character's inner monologue. It was ok though, not as good (or bad, depending on your stance!) as Twilight. Have a fab time enjoying well earned time off.

We've had a few quite good nights recently so I've been a bit absent, she's going down around 7 and stiring a few times but we've managed to resettle without boob finally, then usually feeds around 11, 3 and often 5 but if I bring her into bed she'll have a half feed and drop off again. Slowly clawing our way into the realm of normal, non sleep deprived people. Three weeks until I'm back at work, really hoping to drop one night feed by then.

I missed the last few pages of the old thread, hope everyone's doing ok. mrsn did you hear about your job? marbles hope work's going ok for you. <waves> and chocolate hobnobs to everyone.

Heff xx

SoYo Thu 11-Apr-13 09:01:32

God Funch, I thought my night was bad but up at 3 is not good, I'm so impressed you're still coping & leaving the house during the day.

As much as the night was long & she fed from5.30-6.30 again, he then whinged & groaned for 45mins but I stayed strong & left her in her Moses basket & she finally fell asleep & woke up 10 mins ago! Result!

Have a good day everyone. X

MrsNPattz Thu 11-Apr-13 09:43:29

Up time here, I got another hour this morning which was nice. Going for a walk and then breastfeeding group this afternoon.

Heff I should here today! <anxiously waits by phone>

I forgot to wave to Tea earlier - sorry! Hope things improve for you!

Babybeesmama Thu 11-Apr-13 12:36:15

DD now got vomiting bug sad

Anypants Thu 11-Apr-13 14:03:36

MrsN - have you heard yet?
We had a reasonable night after all but, despite the sleep deprivation, I couldn't get much as DD was literally 'straining' her way through the night. She was asleep and only woke up to feed but I couldn't switch off. She finally had a bit of an explosion about an hour ago (clean babygro put on half hour earlier will need to be incinerated now... shock ) so I hope that's all it was!

MrsNPattz Thu 11-Apr-13 15:58:25

No I haven't heard and I'm starting to get more and more disheartened the later it gets sad but he did say he would call either way!

Amey poor DD!

MrsNPattz Thu 11-Apr-13 17:40:53

What do I do if I don't hear today? Do I call? Email? Carry on waiting?

IAmJacksRagingBileDuct Thu 11-Apr-13 18:47:50

Oh mrsn its rubbish that they haven't called, especially after saying they would! I think if it was me I'd have to call or email tomorrow to double check just in case but I don't know if that's what others would do? Fingers still crossed for you.

anypants poor dd, we had a similar night of straining but still no explosion as yet, expect ill get a lovely wake up call tonight instead.

amey hope dd is better soon poor love, its so horrible when they're ill sad

Bedtime feed here, feeling a little sad as DM has just left for a long awaited three week hol to South Africa with her friend and she won't be back until the day I return to work so I'm not only going to miss her lots but it feels now that work is so close already.

Sleepy dust all, especially your way at around 3am funch !

Heff xx

larlemucker Thu 11-Apr-13 19:15:12

Doesn't look like I'm going to cinema, baby larle won't settle and DH isn't happy with the amount of milk I've managed to express. I tried but couldn't get anymore. Feel shit and trying really hard not to cry hmm

Anypants Thu 11-Apr-13 19:57:14

Oh no larle - don't get upset. It's mentally exhausting when you just want a break but the gods conspire against you but be assured it'll be better tomorrow. Can you go to the flicks tomorrow instead, express some more this evening or tomorrow morning and add that to today's effort? <hug>

Anypants Thu 11-Apr-13 20:00:55

Just remembered you've got another thing tomorrow so focus on that instead of the cinema and pump as much as you can tonight and tomorrow so you can have one hell of a night instead of two ok ones! Maybe even a few wine ? hmm

MrsNPattz Thu 11-Apr-13 20:08:09

I GOT THE JOB!!!!! He just phoned, and was very pleased with how I came across on Monday smile so chuffed!

Ps Larle so sorry you have been disappointed, Any has some good suggestions!

Anypants Thu 11-Apr-13 20:30:37

Woooooooo! Yay - well done MrsN! Grab yourself a large glass of WW wine and a toffee bar and celebrate! wine biscuit

IAmJacksRagingBileDuct Thu 11-Apr-13 20:54:06

Woohooooo well done you!! <breaks out the party poppers> that's fantastic mrsn I'm so pleased for you grin

Oh larle have a massive {{{hug}}} you poor thing you need a little break. Agree with anypants, see if you can express some more tonight, freeze the lot and then you'll have enough for a proper night off very soon.

Did anyone see the "Yoni massage" thread in S&B (now in classics) yesterday? I've just been howling at it, there are some right odd balls out there and some very funny ladies on MN.

Off to get pjs on and pour a sneaky wine see you all tonight xx

abi2790 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:54:29

Evening everyone smile DS is asleep so I'm relaxing in bed. For the past two nights the second feed has been a nightmare! He wakes up between 2 and 3 and won't go to sleep in his crib until around 5 sad He's also been waking more often. I'm a very tired mummy!

Congratulations MrsN grin

abi2790 Thu 11-Apr-13 21:08:10

I've just seen that thread IAmJacks. Hilarious!

Emilythornesbff Thu 11-Apr-13 21:24:53

Congratulations MrsN that's fantastic news. Well done.

Oh Larle so sorry. That's so frustrating. sad. You'll get a night out soon, just build up a stash of milk. Doesn't help now though I know.

MrsNPattz Thu 11-Apr-13 21:36:14

Thanks guys!

Little man was asleep but woke as I was coming to bed so feeding again now! Anticipating a similar night to the rest of the week so will prob see you at about 12 and 3!!

funchum8am Thu 11-Apr-13 22:19:04

mrsn Fabulous news! and I am so not surprised,you will be fab! So do you get an existing meeting to take over or do you start your own??

larle I completely understand, it is sooo frustrating when you can't express enough to leave baby. Hope you have planned something great for very soon to make up for it. Hugs hugs hugs.

heff spent much of the journey down from Bradford today reading the Yoni massage thread to DH and pmsl. Honestly one of the funniest things I have ever read! grin

MrsNPattz Thu 11-Apr-13 23:00:55

Oh hello first feed before I've even been to sleep - was just dropping off!

Funch I will get my own meetings smile

Off to read that thread!!

MissingMyMarbles Thu 11-Apr-13 23:51:46

Hellooooo!

Just checking in and marking my spot! Not posted in ages sadly not due to large quantities of sleep, in fact now getting less probably as back at work on nightssad Missmarbles is improving. DH is suffering bit I think me not being around at night has actually helped. He said she grizzles on sometimes but he thinks it may be in her sleep anyway. In essence I may have been too quick to get out of bed. She certainly wasn't hysterical in my absence and has been doing some self settling. It will be I retesting to see what she is like tonight as each night has been better than before apparently.

Well done MrsNgrin I have joined WW online tonight. Have done SW in the past but have no motivation at the minute so thought a change of plan might help. I certainly do want shot of my excess 21lb.

Night night all so much for my early night tonight

larlemucker Thu 11-Apr-13 23:53:19

Well done MrsN that brilliant news.
Went to cinema in the end, DH in a massive mood about it and won't talk to me. Been asleep half an hour and DS woken up hungry.

Hope everyone has good nights.

Oh and take a look at the AIBU yoni thread!!

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 01:11:18

Second feed, two hourly so far tonight blush

Larle glad you got to the cinema - DH will calm down!

Hi Marbles lovely to hear from you!

abi2790 Fri 12-Apr-13 01:42:53

Aarrgghh stressed and tired sad DS has been awake since 12 and we've had 2 transfer fails probably going to be three. He is a good self-settler too but for some reason he doesn't want to sleep he just wants to play sad

Glad you got to go to the cinema larle. DH will get over it smile What did you see?

DS has just fallen asleep again. Wish me luck!

SoYoFromKokomo Fri 12-Apr-13 01:49:11

Congratulations Mrs N, excellent news! Hope you're going to plan a suitable celebration!

The Yoni thread is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time, there's some seriously witty women around these parts!

Second feed here & she seems a bit agitated. I've had an upset stomach this evening & really hoping she hasn't got it too otherwise it'll make for a wakey night & some very interesting nappies!

larlemucker Fri 12-Apr-13 04:09:30

Hope you successfully transferred abi

I went to see the host. Not great but ok. As I was leaving the dog barked, I went back on to make sure he hadn't woken DS and he barked some more. That's when DH told me to get out. I then got a text saying that DS was still asleep, no thanks to me.
He also said that he doesn't want to do 10.5 hours at work to come home and be shouted at for some slight.
Earlier in the day he had asked if I had left him any milk. I told him I had 2.5 oz in fridge but DS had been feeding all afternoon. His response "well I'm going to have a fun night then" so I said I wouldn't go.
Eventually after some tooing and froing I got back "we'll cope".

I know I was probably being over sensitive but it felt as if I was being guilt tripped for going out. There were more comments when he got home about how little milk I had left him.
When I said I wouldn't go I got shouted at and told to go. Couldn't win hmm

I have to point out that DH is off work today (Friday) and me and DS are out all day so he has the house to himself for the day.

Think the underlying cause of this is DTD. I'm too knackered every night and don't feel very attractive with the jelly belly and stretch marks (and huge bags under my eyes). I also had an episiotomy, tear and stitches so things just don't feel quite right down there (maybe I need a yoni massage <pops off to google maps to see how far hull is>). Sorry if TMI

Was I being over sensitive! Also DS was asleep when I got in and he only had the milk I left, the emergency formula is still in the cupboard.

Sorry very me,me,me

Hope you're all sleeping

abi2790 Fri 12-Apr-13 04:19:56

Sounds like DH is being very insensitive larle. We all need a break sometimes and it's not your fault you couldn't get much milk.

DS finally went to sleep at 2 but just woke up again at 4. I'm going to be a zombie at baby massage! I hope it doesn't take another two hours to get him to sleep.

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 04:32:17

Another feed, never predict what times little one will be up cause it's bound to go tits up!!

Oh Larle I really feel for you, it sounds like he is being very insensitive. Hugs thanks

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 05:02:16

And he's wide awake confused

GiraffesAndButterflies Fri 12-Apr-13 05:43:11

Argh, so much for staying awake for night feeds, I just woke up on the sofa with DD sad sad so disappointed and annoyed with myself!! angry That's about 3 hours we've been here I suspect. Damn!!!

Congratulations MrsN on your new job grin

larle YANBU, it does sound to me like your DH was trying to guilt trip you sad I would have been pretty upset and pissed off in your shoes.

Hello to those of you I haven't met yet smile

I am totally intrigued to read what a couple of you have said about your DC 'straining'. DD makes an almost squeaky, straining type noise when we try to put her down, it usually starts while she's still asleep and then she wakes herself up as if in pain. HV said wind and told us to get infacol which is helping a bit, but frankly DH and I have been wondering wtf is going on!

It's the main cause of our sleepless nights tbh, DD goes to sleep ok and we can usually manage a transfer, but 20 mins later she will wake up with squeaky groany noises. Help!!

SoYoFromKokomo Fri 12-Apr-13 06:15:45

Just up again but after her 1.30 feed she had 4 failed transfers, lots of wailing & finally went to sleep at 4 so I'm shattered. Urgh.

Larle he's being a knob. How long ago did you have LO? I'm now 6.5 weeks & not ready, my epis healed quickly but still sometimes just feels pully & is sensitive plus frankly I'm just too knackered. Luckily DH feels the same, at the moment we'd both rather have an extra 15mins kip! Also he needs to realise you've both been working all day & so free time needs to be split. DH said after 2nd day back when I handed him the screaming baby "but I've just got in from work....", I think when I looked at him like hmm & asked if he'd rather have swapped he realised he was BU.

Anypants Fri 12-Apr-13 06:47:15

Larle I agree that he's being a bit of a dick but I think it's a standard defensive manoevre from a DH. Mine reacts similarly when I want to go out (just to do a supermarket shop) which seems to be down to a slight resentment of the decision to bf as it's the one thing he can't do and he panics that there won't be enough ebm. He'll get over it, esp as he obviously didn't have a problem while you were out in the end so it may not have been as bad as he was imagining - it's the fear of the unknown. This baby malarkey has certainly changed my DH so I never know quite how he's going to react but, aside from a few wobbles, he's doing far better than I thought he would and is very good at pulling me down from the ceiling when we're having one of those nights.
FYI I am waiting until after my check up before I even consider letting him near me as it's all been rearranged downstairs and the tiredness is killing the mood. i'm quite fond of a really good cuddle though as it's a nice change to hold someone the same size as me and not have them burp over my shoulder... grin
Sending you more hugs and biscuit

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 08:40:12

Up time at 8 here cause we have baby group, but little was awake at 7:20 - so tired!

Thanks Giraffe!

Congratulations on the job MrsN, fantastic news!

larle that is so not on about your DH making you feel bad for "not leaving enough milk". It's his job as a daddy to find his own way to settle babylarle, you were only at the cinema for gods sake, not like you were out all day! Am very angry on your behalf. I wouldn't be surprised if his mood is connected to the DTD thing though, we have the same issue (DS is almost a year and we still haven't done it blush). At the moment I am slightly off the hook as we are trying to get DS to sleep through the night in his own room (which is utterly knackering), but I know as soon as we are successful the pressure will be back on. It is really tough so you have my sympathy flowers

Babybeesmama Fri 12-Apr-13 09:17:29

Massive congrats mrsn! That is amazing news! X

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 12:39:38

Thanks Amey how's DD? xx

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 15:42:56

Feeling like such a failure as a mother today, there's so much that needs to change and if I had got it right in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess. He doesn't nap long enough in the day and he will only nap on me or when he's in his pushchair out walking. Just tried to transfer him to his cot and he woke each time crying. I need to break the feed to sleep cycle. I want to stop the night feeds. I just don't know how to do any of it because I hate leaving him to cry. Tonight we are going to try an earlier bed time, and then a dream feed and then hubby getting up with him in the night instead of me feeding him. Dreading it already. I just don't know what to do if he won't settle with out me feeding him.

Hello, just running in quickly in between running after a speedily crawling baby who also tries to pull himself up on anything that isn't a floor. A few bumps had already...
Congratulations Mrsn ! You will be fab. Lucky group who gets you.
larle that is indeed angry of your DH. Agree that it is to do also with feeling a bit helpless because they can't breastfed, but it really isn't rocket science to realise that you are on call 24/7 and working incredibly hard!
Hello tea lovely to see you although sad that you have not yet graduated! Hope it's just around the corner with the cc.
Argh. Got to rescue the mountaineer. See you all later!

Ps amey nights are a lot better. Two feeds and settles in between. Now I just have to persuade him that 4:30 is not time to get up. Preferably before I return to work on Monday!

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 18:09:22

I think I've hit a tiredness wall, I can't stop crying! You wouldn't think I had found out I got my dream job yesterday! sad

abi2790 Fri 12-Apr-13 18:23:34

Uggghh last night was terrible! DS woke up at 12 then went back to sleep at 2. He then woke up at 4 and didn't get to sleep until 6! He's having his bedtime feed now cos he's shattered which hopefully means he'll have a good sleep.

Sorry your feeling down MrsN. Hope you get a good night's sleep smile

GiraffesAndButterflies Fri 12-Apr-13 18:34:44

MrsN total sympathies, I am also grappling with DD not sleeping except on me/in pram. Just had a failed transfer, am desperate for some sleep- and so is she I think, poor mite keeps being woken by me putting her down!

So I guess what I'm unhelpfully saying is that if you're a bad mother I must be too!

Abi good luck for tonight!

Babybeesmama Fri 12-Apr-13 18:49:59

Aww mrsn don't feel bad! You are doing amazing!! Don't worry about it all! My advice with naps is to try baby whisperer ssh pat, I could never get bb to nap unless on me & I was amazed how quick it worked, just laying him on his side and patting between shoulder blades but picking up if he cried. He slept longer if he went to sleep in the cot rather than in my arms. long naps will come, we still have days where he only does 45 mins and other where its 2 hours! DD much better thanks, just tired but we are at DM's tonight so she's getting lots of cuddles! Don't be sad! Xxxthanks

mrsn sometimes it can just be the release from stress, whether its a good stress or bad, I think. Just take care of yourself and give yourself time to recover from the last few weeks.

larlemucker Fri 12-Apr-13 19:33:17

Thanks for all the support ladies.

MrsN you are not a bad mummy. As someone said on another thread you don't see any 21 year olds that feed or need to be rocked to sleep. Don't beat yourself up. A few if my friends have babies the same age as baby larle and their LOs go to sleep on their own and sleep through the night whereas baby larle doesn't. It doesn't mean I'm a bad mum just that baby larle is different. At the moment I'm going to do whatever makes life easier and means he doesn't cry. I don't think that decision makes anyone a bad mummy.

Pour yourself a big glass of wine and take plenty of virtual hugs x

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 19:58:12

And breath - I have come through the fog and am feeling a bit better now little man is asleep and hubby is home. Thanks ladies - Amey I will have a look at the baby whisperer! Goat yes I think that's exactly what has happened! I know one good nights sleep would make me feel ten times better so I really hope trying to night wean helps. You guys are the best, sorry for the drama xx

Emilythornesbff Fri 12-Apr-13 20:49:31

Evening.
Babythorne having what I hope is her bedtime feed (fed 3 times since 6pm). Just 2feeds last night so I felt spoiled. Also ds slept until 6am (miracle here). fingers crossed, holding breath for more of the same

larle your dh was very naughty spoiling your night out but remember that dh's are very annoying. I reckon as others have said, that he's probably tired (bloody cheek i know) stressed by new fatherhood, felt anxious about whether he'd be able to cope, plus a little bit of being a knob that day grin. Hopefully things are brighter today. If not come and yell at us.

mrsn I have been there with feeling inadequate about dc's sleeping. He's come so far in the last year. Fwiw, I read elizabeth pantley's "no cry sleep solution" and found the section on napping and on stopping feeding to sleep (and subsequently dropping night feeds) really helpful.
I also found it helped me lose some of the guilt and worry about his sleep.

Anyway, hoping for a good night hmm.
Thanks for this thread, it keeps me slightly sane in the night.

Emilythornesbff Fri 12-Apr-13 22:28:59

Good grief. Just finished cluster feeding. Now babythorne, toddlerthorne and mrthorne angry are all sleeping.

MrsNPattz Fri 12-Apr-13 22:48:33

Feeding here, hubby has tried to settle him for half an hour so we decided to feed him one more time before 11. Anyone have any suggestions what to do in the night if he won't be settled? Really want to stop the feeding in the night!

I'm reading that at the moment Emily thank you. Hope you join the rest of the Thorne's in sleepy land!

Anypants Sat 13-Apr-13 00:06:01

Aaaaaargh, cluster feeding here too. Have been at it since 8pm. Every hour, then she gets drowsy but then wide awake and grizzly. I've got a funny sense of deja vu but am praying it doesn't go on till 3 again. Or I may just leave the house to get away from the crying. Come on girly, finish up and go to sleep. Glad i'm not alone tonight smile brew

abi2790 Sat 13-Apr-13 00:20:04

Good evening ladies. First feed here. DS is in a grobag tonight instead of blankets tonight to see if that helps him sleep. He's done well so far smile I'm hoping he doesn't want to stay awake for 2 hours after feeds like the past 3 nights!

Going out for lunch tomorrow with DM and DSis and DF is babysitting. Not seen my mum since she told me she was diagnosed with breast cancer (we live far away and me and dp don't drive) so I'm looking forward to seeing her.

I've managed to express 3 1/2 oz. Do you think that will be enough? I will feed him before I go anyway so he probably won't need it but we'll probably be gone a couple of hours.

abi2790 Sat 13-Apr-13 00:37:10

Woohoo he fed for about 30 mins and no transfer fails grin will probably only get two hours until next feed.

SoYoFromKokomo Sat 13-Apr-13 02:35:17

Evening ladies,

We met some friends for dinner so late to bed for Miss Madam, she didn't go down until about 11 (after 1 epic transfer fail) but just up for a feed again now. Hoping I might get through until sometime around 5 with this one but that's hoping a lot at the moment!

At least we had a lovely evening wine

Emilythornesbff Sat 13-Apr-13 02:58:15

Just finished 2nd feed. Babythorne not settling sad.

Well done abi hopefully you're in sleepy land by now. I'm so sorry about your mum. I hope that you all have a good lunch tomorrow.

mrsn toddlerthorne stopped night feeds around a year old after I used the "pantley's gental removal system" in that book. I was a wuss, have never let him cry, just can't bear it. That system really worked for us to stop night feeds, it was amazing.

larlemucker Sat 13-Apr-13 03:11:42

Evening. Thurs feed here.
Off to a wedding tomorrow which baby larle can't come to so my DSis is having him during the day. I've got 20oz of milk to give her to last about 8 hours!! God knows if that's enough.

Neighbours seem to be having a party tonight. Thank god for the new double glazing as can only hear the thudding of the beat. Glad I don't need window open tonight!!

WW on hold today and tomorrow so I can enjoy myself!!

Baby larle asleep so going to attempt transfer in a min.

Sleepy dust to everyone

abi2790 Sat 13-Apr-13 03:39:16

Second feed here. Think I may have to open the window as it is so warm! Maybe that's why ds didn't sleep for very long?

MrsNPattz Sat 13-Apr-13 03:43:33

Well I'm up feeding - hubby has tried to settle him for an hour and 15 mins without success and he's now taking a big feed so I'm at a loss. He obviously still needs night feeds at the moment?

Sounds like some lovely days planned tomorrow! I am having a lie in and then we are popping in to see my friend.

Anypants Sat 13-Apr-13 03:46:28

I was right - DD still awake and complaining like hell. Left her with DH at 1 after getting her to sleep but apparently she was awake again by 1.30 (well, I must have fallen into a coma quite easily...) and he gave her a bottle of ebm but she wouldn't settle back down. I heard her about 20 minutes ago (bad Mummy, sleeping through the crying) and have taken over so he can catch some zzzzzzzs. Which, by the sounds of it, he has accomplished already. Unfortunately, when this happened the other night, I had no influence in her going off to sleep - it was simply that I put her down while she was crying and she.self.settled after about ten minutes. I have tried that again but I don't think she's exhausted enough yet. I'll just keep feeding her now and ride it out....... At least i've had some sleep confused brew brew brew brew

Emilythornesbff Sat 13-Apr-13 04:32:43

Another feed. They're so short, which probably doesn't help but when she's done she's done. What can you do? smile.

I think Colombo's on in a minute grin

I 've been so proud of my (ok, very recent) healthy eating and willpower. Thought I'd give a fast day (5:2 style) tomorrow. Just hope I can hold out when feeling so tired.
Really want to be slim for the summer.

larle I hope ou enjoy the wedding. Well done for expressing 20oz.

mrsn sounds like babypatz does need that feed eh. How old is he? I started with dropping one feed at a time at about a year (or so). Sometimes they just need that food don't they. Monkeys. grin

Anypants Sat 13-Apr-13 04:53:25

Keep going thorne - mine's just gone down after an epic feed of 30 mins. I'm chalking it up to a growth spurt and take comfort from believing she'll have worn herself out so tomorrow will be much more sleepy!
As for the summer slumming, i'm there. Just waiting until after my check up before I go back to healthy eating WW style. I'm enjoying tje freedom at the moment though and it's going to be hard giving up eating whole packets of choccy suggestives. As they say though - nothing tastes as good as being slim feels!

Anypants Sat 13-Apr-13 04:54:43

Crap - I meant 'summer slimming' although 'slumming' may be appropriate for me... grin

Emilythornesbff Sat 13-Apr-13 05:00:13

grin anypants I quoted that "nothing tastes as good...." thing yesterday on the weight loss board. Great minds think alike obviously.

I hope you get some sleep after that fabulous feed.
Just think, 20 calories burned for every ounce of milk (or thereabouts).

larlemucker Sat 13-Apr-13 06:24:47

Thanks emily, it has taken me 2 months though!!

MrsNPattz Sat 13-Apr-13 06:42:59

Up feeding again, poor hubby has tried for nearly an hour again to settle him but it wasn't happening. Taking a good feed again now. I don't know what to do - he's not sleeping enough in the day which is probably effecting his bedtime and sleep at night so do I concentrate on naps or night time first? Do I try and solve the feeding to sleep or night feeds first? I feel completely lost.

He's 7 months Emily.

MissingMyMarbles Sat 13-Apr-13 08:39:04

Well that was a bit rubbish! Got in from work at around 1 and it was about 2 when I got into bed. Missmarbles woke at 10 past and was up about every hour thereafter until 5 when she slept til 8confused DH has just taken her downstairs though so will get some more zzzz now. My joints ache with tiredness after a thoroughly exhausting week.

MrsN, NCSS says daytime sleep at all costs, so in pram, on you, or whatever you need to do until nights are sorted then work on days --that's how I justify it when Missmarbles and I have a little snooze together--grin

Emilythornesbff Sat 13-Apr-13 09:52:41

mrsn I would agree with missingmymarbles about daytime sleep.
NCSS does say that you should do anything you need to ensure a daytime nap (looking at 2 naps a day for babypatz' age I think).
Try not to worry. He's still young and night feeding is completely normal at his age. I would get those naps in, even if it means dh taking him for a drive, or a walk round the block fifty times or rocking or whatever. Then concentrate on the "pantley removal plan" to help reduce his need to feed to sleep. Night feeds might continue but then they'll be because he needs the milk rather than feeding to sleep IYSWIM.
Fwiw, another sleep programme "millpond" I think, strongly recommends reducing dependence on feeding to sleep (that includes avoiding a dummy) from about this age.
Good luck.
Em

(still feeding)

MrsNPattz Sat 13-Apr-13 11:21:04

Thanks Emily and Marbles that's really helpful!

Hubby has suggested trying a bottle of formula at bedtime feed - what do you think?

Marbles sleep well!

Anypants Sat 13-Apr-13 11:32:05

Aha - the epic feed did indeed work and she was still asleep until just now. Have woken her to feed as it's been over 6 hours. Why couldn't she have gone that long during the night? Looks like we've got some night and day differentiating to do envy

Pinebarrens Sat 13-Apr-13 12:15:39

DS is 6.5 months and no two nights are the same!

last night bottle feed at 7.00 goes down awake up at 11.00 breasfed then up at 1.30 gave him dummy then awake again at 4.00 breastfed up at 7.45 for the day.

Thursday night bottle fed at 7.00 up at 11.00, DH gave him a bottle so i could sleep and that was him until 6.45. this is the first time he's slept through for about 2 months.

his daytime sleep is pretty good. usually two short naps
and one long one around lunchtime.

BLW so don't really know how much he's eating but is definitely eating something twice a day.

who knows what tonight will bring....sigh

Babybeesmama Sat 13-Apr-13 18:46:31

I was going to suggest formula mrsn but wasn't sure how you might feel. Worth a go I reckon, my friend was in a similar situation with increasing night bf & they gave 4oz formula each night mixed with ebm & it helped a lot.
Horrendous night last night confused something was really bothering him. He's had nurofen tonight & hoping it helps! X

MrsNPattz Sat 13-Apr-13 20:53:08

Really tempted to try Amey because in the last 24 hours I have turned into a stressed, anxious wreck!!

Last two bedtimes little man has had about 10 transfer fails - do you think moving bedtime earlier/later would help?

Pinebarrens Sat 13-Apr-13 22:21:04

are you always putting him down asleep MrsN?

if so do you think you could clear the decks for a few days to try some sleep training?

i don't mean controlled crying if that's not for you but maybe pupd or shush pat or something?

this is one aspect we worked on with DS and he goes into his cot awake and can settle if he's not hungry (i know our track record isn't great re sleeping through!)

it has helped us on two fronts, one DH can now put him to bed and two generally he only wakes crying if he's hungry i(i think). just the former has decreased my stress levels enormously as i can now put DD to bed for the first time in 6 months.

sorry if its not much help i know how stressful it can be sad

Pinebarrens Sat 13-Apr-13 22:22:46

also we are trying formula again tonight to see if that makes any difference.

im doubting it but we will see...

larlemucker Sat 13-Apr-13 22:41:49

Hi all,
We're just off to bed after an amazing day at my cousins wedding. Baby larle was a darling for his auntie. I missed him lots and had to stop myself crying when we left him this morning, don't even think he noticed we had gone!!
Spent half the day in the loos pumping and dumping so I wouldn't explode!

MrsN we used to give baby larle a top up bottle of formula on a night and it made no difference to his sleep!! Mine you he only had a couple of ozs.

Right off to bed as knackered (and stuffed full of wedding cake as there were three!!)

MrsNPattz Sat 13-Apr-13 23:24:55

First feed here.

Pine yea always asleep when we put him down, he can't self settle. I'm not very clued up on pupd, etc - I will google! Thank you for sharing, I'm willing to try anything!

I had a reality check tonight - a girl I went to school with lost her baby girl at 32 weeks pregnant today. A sobering thought that puts things into perspective and makes me realise how lucky I am to be woken up for each night feed. RIP little angel xx

Anypants Sat 13-Apr-13 23:59:31

Oh no -That's awful. Hold your little ones close tonight sad x x x

Babybeesmama Sun 14-Apr-13 02:31:03

What are his naps like mrsn? I would say depends on those as to what time bedtime is. I'd def try the formula tho. Its all just trial & error with babies! Its weird because babybee can self settle but then goes through stages of not wanting to! Frustrating

Waves sleepily to all......

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 03:22:38

Second feed. Amey he has about 3 half an hour naps which isn't enough but we can't get him to go longer!

GiraffesAndButterflies Sun 14-Apr-13 03:49:58

Evening all. After a disastrous night last night I am starting fresh with myself and am DETERMINED not to fall asleep holding DD.

So far we've had a two-hour sleep, which is a great start by DD. Fingers crossed for more of the same!

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 03:54:36

Two transfer fails, I don't understand why this is happening so much? Any suggestions? On Friday there was a lot of crying in his cot starting with when I tried to put him down for his afternoon nap, could this have influenced it?

abi2790 Sun 14-Apr-13 04:05:15

Hi everyone. Hope you all haven't been woken too much smile
Had a lovely day today with dm and dsis. Ds cried all the way home on the Metrolink (an hour and a half journey) cos he was shattered. We got home and he had a quick feed til 8 and he's only just woken up 10 mins ago grin I hope he sleeps for another few hours.

abi2790 Sun 14-Apr-13 04:20:26

I can't believe it... He's just gone straight to sleep after feeding for about 20 mins! Why can't every night be like this?

Sending sleepy dust to everyone smile

GiraffesAndButterflies Sun 14-Apr-13 04:34:25

Transfer fail... <steals abi's sleepy dust>

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 06:38:52

Feeding again here and probably up time.

Abi that's really good grin

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 06:45:44

MrsM baby patz is around the age that separation anxiety can start. Maybe that's making the transfers more difficult?

If you want to. Is feed then it's true that some people say their babies go longer when they introduce a bottle of formula. BUT it's not reliable. For some it makes no difference at all and you have to make up a feed and stop ebf for nothing.
He's probably having a growth spurt as wel. What's his eating like now he's on solids?
Get stuck into that book. smile this will pass. Promise.

Sorry can't offer more advice ATM. Bit frazzled from a disturbed night with babythorne. Still, as you say, we are lucky to have them.

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 06:46:37

abi great transfer. Hurrah.

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 06:49:58

Oh the other thing mrsn is to try having dh put him sometimes (you're probably doing that already).
There is no magic answer. I thin k it was Penelope leech who said that people will tell you that you just have to do a, b, or c, correctly and your baby will sleep really well and that simply isn't true. She's a renowned child expert. I may have misquoted but that's the gist. Baby pats is still little and needing those feeds.

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 07:32:33

Emily you have been really helpful thank you. I think I have gone off the idea of giving him formula so going to get hubby to do bedtime tonight with ebm. He is 7 months so was wondering about separation anxiety myself. He slept from 7:30-6:30 with 2 feeds which isn't bad I guess?

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 07:45:14

That's really good mrsn
You'll have to remember what works so you can make your fortune writing a book smile.

larle glad you had a good time at the wedding. smile

I'm hoping for a nap sometime today. (yeah, right).

MissingMyMarbles Sun 14-Apr-13 08:53:42

Ladies,


I HAVE SLEPT!!!!!!!!!!!

That is all.
grin

Anypants Sun 14-Apr-13 09:06:01

What is this 'slept' you speak of? Am not familiar with it confused brew

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 09:17:54

Congratulations Marbles smilegrinsmile

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 09:44:31

marbles yay!

MissingMyMarbles Sun 14-Apr-13 18:42:04

Doing bedtime feed and really, REALLY hoping for a repeat or even further improvement. Basically, put Missmarbles to bed at 6.45, DH gave her a bottle (although she only took 2oz) at 12.30 when she woke and then I bf her at 4.30 when she woke again. We were then up just before 7smile I am praying this is a change in pattern and not a fluke. It's the second night on the trot she's gone 5+ hours but Friday night she had me up every hour after that. Last night was sheer bliss! I have not had that much sleep in a oner for 18 months, I kid you not! I sleep badly from conception and she was 9 months last week.

Dparents are en route as I type so happy days for thatsmile. And shock DD1 is tidying her bedroom!!!

I will have to scroll and read properly later. Sending out the Sleepy Mice.

funchum8am Sun 14-Apr-13 18:55:13

Hi all, dashing in after weekend away with no Internet access! Had a lovely time with friends and their kids. Stayed up too late boring one friend to death with my tiredness stories but compared to you ladies I am actually getting good sleep so shouldn't moan! And obviously staying up late was a terrible idea as I feel appalling today. Back to work tomorrow so off to bed soon.

Mrsn so sorry to hear you are feeling blue and also about your friend's loss, that is utterly heartbreaking. Things will get better in the end....try one new change at a time and eventually things will come good.

Larle your DH has been very unhelpful, and I hope things are better now angry

Marbles yay for sleep! It is bizarre but I too have slept more since going back to work!!!

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 19:04:47

We have decided to go completely back to how we were doing things for a couple of weeks ie no routine, cause I'm stressed up to my eyeballs and it's going to make me ill - feeling down, tearful and anxious because of it all and I was really in a good place before all of this. I'm started to really not enjoy being a mum which is breaking my heart, so a couple of weeks without the pressure to clear my head and sort my head out will hopefully put us in a better place to start routines/sleep training then.

Hi Funch, glad you had a good time!

Marbles fingers crossed you continue to get good nights!

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 19:20:14

Mrsn. brew

abi2790 Sun 14-Apr-13 19:52:24

Sorry your feeling down MrsN. Sending you lots of sleepy dust flowers

I'm hoping for a repeat of last night. I think I have a plan to get him to sleep longer. He was shattered last night and went to bed at 8 so I thought bathing him later might be a good idea. Usually we start the bedtime routine at 6 but I started it at 7 tonight and he's been rubbing his eyes with tiredness since 5. Wish me luck!

MrsN if it hasn't already been suggested to you, I would recommend reading "What mothers do" by Naomi Stadlen - I just started reading it after it being suggested to me on MN ages ago, and I have to say, it is a comforting read (although I was crying a little on the train as I read it). For anyone who has felt a bit shit about being a mum...

I think your plan to go back to what was working before sounds like a very good idea - maybe try again in a month or two, or when you want to try again. Seperation anxiety sounds a real possibility, or maybe going through a developmental leap and feeling unsettled? It is all about coping smile

On the Babytea front, we are still not making any progress really - he is settling fairly quickly when he wakes, but he is still waking several times a night. I made DH do night duty last night though (as I am now not feeding DS before 5am unless absolutely necessary) and I felt much better for not having to get out of bed all night even though my sleep was still disturbed. It also showed DH how bloody knackering it is to be the one getting up all night!

Went for my first outing with my mum and dad this afternoon since my dad was diagnosed - his wheelchair is a bit unwieldy but it was lovely to be out with them again smile

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 20:34:11

Thanks guys, Tea I just bought that book for my Kindle App so thank you for the recommendation! Sorry things haven't improved much, can I ask how you managed to night wean?

It's so windy here! I have the opportunity to start a Jo Jingles class tomorrow - opinions please? If we do it that will be 4 days we have things on, but it sounds fun.

larlemucker Sun 14-Apr-13 20:55:43

Just nipping in

Big hugs MrsN you are not a shit mum. I think we have all either been in your position or will at some point feel like we hate motherhood. We're here for you MrsN, 24/7 xx

Baby larle has had 5oz of expressed milk so hoping he might sleep better tonight.

Anyone else's bf baby poo a lot? Sorry if TMI but I heard that breast fed babies don't always poo every day, baby larle goes 4/5 times a day! Is this normal?

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 21:17:51

larle normal to poo a lot and also normal not to poo for a few days.

mrsn bloody windy here too.
And any excuse to get out I say. I did take ds to jo jingles. He enjoyed it (was about 2 at the time). Quite structured sessions, about £5 a class i think.

SoYoFromKokomo Sun 14-Apr-13 21:23:39

Evening all, it's bedtime here in the house of horrors. Today we've alternated between the dog being monstrous, Bubs screaming and a few rare moments of quiet. DH has a big day at work tomorrow so it's all me tonight and we've got to be up & out earlier than usual tomorrow for a friends party so soda law states that tonight will be a horror!

See you all shortly for brew and sympathy!

MissingMyMarbles Sun 14-Apr-13 21:26:27

Flying in.....

Larle breast fed babies poo anything from every feed to every 10 days and everything in betweensmile

(((Hugs)))brewMrsN Everyone feels a bit like that sometimes, but remember feelings are not necessarily a reflection of reality. They are transient and changeable. You are not a shit mum, for sure. Hope you feel better soon.

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 21:38:44

Thanks Larle xx

Having a nightmare bedtime here, he will go to sleep, then wake up crying, then go to sleep feeding but then transfer fail etc etc. something is not right and it hasn't been for a while but I don't know if it's teeth, separation anxiety, developmental or something else entirely. He's shattered though and so am I confused

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 21:39:30

Hey.
Babythorne sleeping. About to re attempt transfer to cot.
See you soon.

Emilythornesbff Sun 14-Apr-13 21:41:59

Mrsn. Why not take him to HV clinic next week just to check all well.

abi2790 Sun 14-Apr-13 21:50:51

MrsN DS has been the same tonight. He keeps waking up crying (which he never does). It could be teeth? My lo is 4 months and has no teeth so I'm not quite sure.

I hope I get to sleep at some point tonight!

larlemucker Sun 14-Apr-13 22:05:56

Can I pick the brains of some of you ladies with older LOs?
We have our first birthday invite! My friends DS is 1, no idea what to buy him. Parents are pretty well off so he isn't short of stuff! Any ideas??

MrsNPattz Sun 14-Apr-13 22:06:21

Emily my hv really upset me at little mans 6 month review re BLW and now I don't want to talk to her about anything cause I know she will blame everything on BLW. Anyone know if I can see another?

Good luck Abi - I'm contemplating co sleeping!

Anypants Sun 14-Apr-13 22:30:49

MrsN - I have about four different weighing clinics in my local area on different days, all run by different HVs so if I fancy a different opinion I can go to any of them. See if this is the case in your area?
I've already had 'incapable mother syndrome' a few times and DD is only 7 weeks so no, you are not bad at it, you are simply human. Take the rough with the smooth and focus on the positive - in a few days or weeks or months it'll all be very different. Chin up and keep venting on here. God knows how women did it in days of yore with no MN... shock confused wine wine wine

Pinebarrens Sun 14-Apr-13 23:06:17

mrsN you sound like a great mum, one just trying to find the best solution for your LO.
sleep issues are the pits, take heart it really will get better & you sound like you're doing a great job. Do whatever you can to take some stress out of the situation be that co-sleeping or DH taking over for a bit just whatever works for you family& your family.

maybe call your surgery see if there are other HVs you can go to or go see your GP just to reassure yourself that baby is ok.

its so windy here too DS already been up for a feed, he's also unsettled tonight but i think its the weather in our case.

hoping everyone has a good night!

abi2790 Mon 15-Apr-13 00:28:46

Ugghh ds has been awake every hour withoit fail crying his little heart out. Luckily I managed to settle him without getting him out of his crib at 11 but he wasn't having it this time. Any idea what this could be? I'm worried he might be in pain cos of the sound of his cry sad

larlemucker Mon 15-Apr-13 01:28:44

Woke up soaking, no clean, dry gro bags. Going to be up for a least an hour waiting for tumble drier hmm
Can't use blanket due to night time acrobatics hmm

GiraffesAndButterflies Mon 15-Apr-13 02:09:59

Hi all
((Hugs)) MrsN I hope things improve for you soon.

I had to reread everyone's saying it was windy to work out if you mean weather or DC. It's windy here too but indoors grin

DD has a dr appointment tomorrow morning and our GP is going to get quizzed over what might be making her so unsettled. It surely can't be normal that at 8weeks I'm only getting 3hrs sleep a night, can it?

(Can it?!)

SoYoFromKokomo Mon 15-Apr-13 03:31:12

Big unmumsnetty hugs MrsN, sometimes you just feel like you've no idea what to do for the best don't you? Just remember all your baby needs is food, warmth and love (which you're giving in spades) and the rest will all come together in its own time. Just do what you need to do to survive at the moment and think about your plans again once you feel like yourself again.

Up for 1hr 15 so far here and 2 transfer fails. It just drives me mad that she can fall fast asleep on the boob and then be wide awake the second her head hits the Moses basket with no signs of sleepiness! Argh! She's just lying there looking at me now as if to say "pick me up woman, can't you see I'm awake and shouldn't be!"

abi2790 Mon 15-Apr-13 03:43:48

Fourth feed here. DS woke up crying again but luckily he slept for 3 hours instead of 1. My poor boy doesn't look happy at all sad

GiraffesAndButterflies Mon 15-Apr-13 04:16:06

Argh. Managed to get DD down but she woke after half an hour. Bringing my grand total of sleep so far tonight to 1hr. This might actually be our worst night yet at this rate. sad

Anypants Mon 15-Apr-13 04:34:20

Giraffe sounds like a horrendous night, a few of which we had this week ourselves. I think it was a growth spurt but I was continuously feeding all night and it nearly finished me. Is it just night times or can you catch up on sleep during the day? Grab yourself a brew and power through for tonight - it'll be better tomorrow.

MrsNPattz Mon 15-Apr-13 05:28:15

Well, can you believe this is our FIRST feed!! We co-slept from half 10 and this is him just up now. Co-sleeping is not really a habit I want to get into so will try cot again tonight but if it means nights like this I may be tempted!

Thanks SoYo, Any, Giraffe and Pine! I have no idea how people did it without a Smart phone lol!

Sorry for the bad nights!

larlemucker Mon 15-Apr-13 05:49:55

Up again. Lost count now. Can't keep eyes open

abi2790 Mon 15-Apr-13 06:20:41

Ugghh I'm up again sad

Emilythornesbff Mon 15-Apr-13 07:32:33

Mrsn. That's great news. You need a few more like that.

One or two feeds here (on second morning feed now).

LittleJack15 Mon 15-Apr-13 08:00:37

Not a gd night. They do get better don't they?

Pinebarrens Mon 15-Apr-13 10:00:43

that's great mrsN ! its amazing the difference a god nights sleep makes.

DS did quite well last night too. down at7.30 woke up at 9.45 i think because of the wind (outsidesmile ) then that was him until 6.00!

Pinebarrens Mon 15-Apr-13 10:01:05

*good not god...

Emilythornesbff Mon 15-Apr-13 12:21:16

Yes they do littlejack

Glad you got a better night MrsN - I can totally understand not wanting to make it a habit, but if a bit of co-sleeping gets you some rest, it will make it so much easier to tackle sleeping issues when you want to try again. I'm sure DS went through a phase as a similar age where even sleeping in the bedside crib wasn't enough, he had to be snuggled up against me.

And, drumroll please.... He slept 8pm to 5am last night! shock I daren't think of it as the new way of things, but even if it is an anomaly, that's an anomaly which hasn't happened for 5 months! I of course still woke up in the night as I am now programmed to, but hey, if he ever gets into a proper pattern of sleeping through I'm sure I will going back to doing so myself eventually.

See, even the crappest of sleepers can do it sometimes!

But now he's running a temperature sad

MrsNPattz Mon 15-Apr-13 18:56:58

I have felt like a different person today with an uninterrupted nights sleep last night! Starting to get a bit anxious about bedtime looming though......

That's a great night tea - hope the temperature doesn't come to anything!

A lovely, sunny day here after all that wind last night! We walked to Asda and then on the way back I just kept walking to try and keep little man asleep - he had a 1 hour and 20 min nap which was great for him!

GiraffesAndButterflies Mon 15-Apr-13 18:59:05

Well done MrsN! if co sleeping works go for it.

Littlejack I am wondering that too...

Poor miniTea, hope he is not too poorly.

Thanks Any.. Sadly DD is just the same during the day, doesn't sleep in the Moses basket for long, just on us. DH is only working part time at the mo so I am making use of him when I can, so I know I'm luckier than some.

DD had her first dr checkup today. He was very sympathetic (our dr rocks grin ) but basically said we are at peak time for general wind/colic issues and we should stick it out for another four weeks or so before thinking about medicating beyond Infacol etc. BUGGER. Not what I was hoping to hear!! However DD is thriving so I guess that's the main thing. And her first vaccinations went ok.

On the bright side, my DM came to visit today, so I spent the morning catching up with housework and the afternoon sleeping, god it felt good grin Also she reckons that after my first jabs I slept pretty solidly for two days straight, so you never know, here's hoping...

Anypants Mon 15-Apr-13 19:05:58

Glad to hear MrsN - everything's better after a good night's sleep.
I'm going for a first attempt at a BW style schedule today. DD has so far been compliant and she's having her last feed now before bedtime with a story. Fingers crossed for a 10-11pm feed (not dream feed - not attempted that yet) and then i'll get to bed before midnight tonight. I'll keep you updated... grin

abi2790 Mon 15-Apr-13 19:21:49

Glad you had a good night's rest MrsN smile

After a terrible night last night both me and ds are shattered and he's had about half an hour's nap all day. He's been bathed and massaged. hes had some calpol for his teeth which probably won't make a difference and now he's having his bedtime feed. Wish us luck for a better night!

mrsn glad to hear you got some sleep! Before BG was born I swore up, down and sideways that I would never co sleep. Can't remember how many days that one lasted after he came home, but I don't think I made a week! grin And then at 6 months he decided he'd had enough, and went to his cot. We are still in and out a bit, but mostly he sleeps on his own room.

Sleep ebbs and flows here... We had a couple of pretty good nights. Then I went back to work today. I was fine, unfortunately and alas, BG was not. He exploded at the bottom end this morning all over the CM's living room... She rang me to inform me, but kept him for the day as all seemed well after that. But then tonight he has done the most massive p&s ever from both ends. A whole day's feeds all over the kitchen floor, mostly undigested. (Sorry for info). As DH is a teacher and is doing speaking tests with his students this week, it is down to me to stay home with my poor lamb. So one day at work and home again for the 48 hour exclusion!

I hope the sleep deprived get some sleep soon.

abi2790 Mon 15-Apr-13 21:43:56

DS has been asleep for over an hour touch wood so I'm going to get some sleep myself. Fingers crossed for 8 hours like Saturday night!

larlemucker Mon 15-Apr-13 21:58:16

Baby larle had screaming fit this eve.
What do you do when you have tried everything to stop them crying? DH sat in dark rocking him and he has finally cried himself to sleep. Worried that we have let him CIO, something I swore I would never do. He didn't get put down or left the entire time he was crying.
Feeling like a bad mum hmm

Babybeesmama Mon 15-Apr-13 22:54:26

Nightmare goat! Especially when back at work! Hope kid is ok xx larle we've had times like that too & is usually overtiredness or teeth! And there's not much you can do! Hope LO is ok tho xx

We've had slightly better nights by our shitty standards! we have switched to aptamil comfort milk for colic & constipation (he wasn't pooing for days on end) & I have to say I've seen an improvement hoping I've not jinxed it.

Mrsn glad you got some sleep! I also said I'd never co sleep! Never did it with DD but this time round was totally different!

Anyway, on dream feed now then hoping for long stretch, but expecting the usual 3 hours! A girl can hope!

May the force be with you tonight ladies grin x

Anypants Mon 15-Apr-13 23:08:23

Also on dream-like feed - DD is half asleep so i'll try not to wake her too much. She's normally wide awake now so hopefully she's aware of my plans and is still playing along. Or she has evil plans for the rest of the night and is lulling me into a false sense of sleep-rich security. Only time will tell. Next stop 3am?

IAmJacksRagingBileDuct Mon 15-Apr-13 23:08:32

goat if I'd seen your post earlier I'd have called you, feel its prob too late now in case you're asleep but if you see this in time I'd be happy to help out with BG to save you having to take time off so soon. Dd1 is at childminder's tues & weds so there's a spare seat in the buggy that's his if he wants it. I'm logging off MN now but if you want to text me I'll see it at the next feed. Hope first day back went ok otherwise!

Will catch up with posts later, hoping for lots of sleepy dust for everyone.

Heff xx

Anypants Mon 15-Apr-13 23:14:32

Oh and larle - interesting pearl of wisdom I came across: if LO is crying with eyes shut, they're in pain. If eyes are open, they are not. This helped me get through the last few crying sessions as I knew she was ok and just needed to be comforted to sleep. Not a bad Mum, just a bad day. smile

GiraffesAndButterflies Tue 16-Apr-13 02:21:33

Anyone else's LO do late cluster feeding? We had a near-constant boob session from about 10-midnight. I've had a bit of sleep though as DH took DD after that.

Off to try a transfer but I suspect I'll be posting again soon, wishing you all good sleeps in the meantime

MrsNPattz Tue 16-Apr-13 02:25:12

First feed here, although not as good as last night it's still a pretty good stretch and he's been in his cot.

Larle you are not a bad mummy - sometimes there is nothing you can do. When little man cries like that it's usually a sore tummy or teeth. You are doing everything you can - that's a great mummy.

Goat poor BG - hope he's better soon.

Amey glad you have some improvement! It's hard work this parenting malarkey isn't it lol!

GiraffesAndButterflies Tue 16-Apr-13 02:47:39

Haha, sure enough, failed transfer!

abi wishing you luck for those 8 hrs.

larle don't feel like a bad mum, sometimes they just can't be comforted. But imagining it from my LO's perspective, it's a very different thing for me to be inconsolable and have DH there with me, than it is to be crying alone. So I'm sure it must feel different for our DC also. Didn't phrase that very well but hopefully makes sense!

Right, DD has finished feeding, now for an epic burping session so that hopefully she'll go down next time.

abi2790 Tue 16-Apr-13 03:04:03

Second feed here. We had a transfer fail at the earlier feed but luckily ds self-settled not long after. I think he's feeling a little better as he's not been crying as much when he wakes. Maybe that Calpol worked after all.

DS is being weighed tomorrow. After all his brilliant weight gain (he's on the 91st centile for weight and height) I really hope his weight hasn't dipped again. I guess if it has though we will have an explanation for his 1-3 hourly feeds when he was doing 5-6 hours.

Emilythornesbff Tue 16-Apr-13 03:05:29

Hi.
Looks like there's a few tricky nights here tonight.
A quick scroll so sorry if I've missed something important.

larle you did not let him CIO you big silly! He was held and comforted through his crying. Sometimes I think we don't know what's wrong. Tiredness, tummy ache... But he went to slep being rocked and cuddles by daddy. That's not a bad way to go off to sleep in my book.

giraffes cluster feeding central here! Plus failed transfers since around 11pm. Do you thin these babies are all talking to each other on some kind of "babiesnet"? Cheeky monkeys!

goats poor BG. Hope he's all better soon.

That's a good night mrsn and he's had a good stretch in his cot (as it were). Hope you got some good sleep yourself.

babybeesmama glad you've had a better night. Hopefully that new milk has one the trick.

*abi, hopefully you're fast asleep lucky thing.

Well good night to all you wakeful, feeding mums. Going to try for a bit of sleep now babythorne is sleeping after several failed transfers and mini feeds. smile

Babybeesmama Tue 16-Apr-13 03:34:25

2 steps forward ....10 back... He's woken up full of snot, coughing his little heart out again sad

larlemucker Tue 16-Apr-13 03:42:49

Thanks for the reassurance everyone.
We're on our third feed. I'm totally knackered and can't keep eyes open.
Sorry no name checking

SoYoFromKokomo Tue 16-Apr-13 03:47:50

Well MiniYo was an absolute horror all evening, basically did nothing but scream & feed from 3pm to 9pm. Took her to bed at 9.20 & she fed very noisily with lots of pulling off until 10.45. Was all set for a horror night & she's just woken up at 3.30. That's the longest sleep I've had since she was born! Now we'll see if that's it for the night.

Hope all the babies with coughs & poorly tummies improve quickly!

Fingers crossed all these babies are bak to sleep for a good few hours yet.

Emilythornesbff Tue 16-Apr-13 03:53:23

Still awake here too. Someone put the kettle on. brew
Hope babybees is ok.

SoYoFromKokomo Tue 16-Apr-13 04:05:43

<kettle on, offers dark choc digestive and brew>

Anypants Tue 16-Apr-13 04:15:01

Oh yes, i'll have me one of those brew
First feed here since the not-so-dream-feed and, although i've had three and a half hours' sleep (in a row!) I still feel shattered. Still, no evil plans in force from DD yet. Don't mind if I do biscuit biscuit biscuit

GiraffesAndButterflies Tue 16-Apr-13 04:45:16

And here's me being good eating oatcakes... Sod that, pass those digestives over grin

I like the idea of 'babiesnet', and that has made me want to go and reread the cutted up pear thread... Except I fear I would keep DD awake by laughing!

MrsNPattz Tue 16-Apr-13 05:48:21

Second feed, I must have been in a deep sleep cause I'm shattered!

Another mixed bag of nights, these babies like to keep us guessing don't they!!

<takes half a pack of digestives> thanks! Lol

IAmJacksRagingBileDuct Tue 16-Apr-13 06:53:18

Any digestives left? Yum smile

larle you did not CIO, he was being comforted and as giraffes says even if you are crying inconsolably its far better to do it with a cuddle than alone. I always say I'd rather my girls cry in my arms than alone in their bed, at least that way you're doing all you can and sometimes you try everything but it just doesn't work. You are a wonderful mum don't let it get you down.

giraffes I think of that thread every time I have to ask the dreaded "would you like me to cut it up for you" to dd1 who has been known to meltdown spectacularly when presented with banana in an incorrect manner confused

Had a good start to the night, 7pm until half 2 but then awake at half 4 for a top up feed, and at 6 I brought her into bed as that usually gets us another hour but instead she vommed all over me/the bed/herself so we've had to get up instead and do the washing. Hoping possibly might get a little nap in an hour or so though <deluded>

larlemucker Tue 16-Apr-13 07:22:54

We're up again. He has fed ever hour and a half tonight. I am exhausted

GiraffesAndButterflies Tue 16-Apr-13 08:29:25

You poor thing larle. Can anyone take your LO today and give you a chance for a nap?

larlemucker Tue 16-Apr-13 12:19:59

Unfortunately giraffethere isn't any family that can help.
However to cheer me up I've just come home to a letter from work confirming I can go back 4 days a week instead of full time come September.grin

abi2790 Tue 16-Apr-13 18:59:21

Sorry you had a bad night larle flowers

DS is having his bedtime feed. He's asleep at the minute but not going to put him down until I know he won't wake up.

Does anyone have any tips on dribble rash? I do my best to keep his face dry but his rash is getting worse sad

Anypants Tue 16-Apr-13 19:10:52

On the bedtime feed here too although i'm not holding on to the hope that yesterday was anything other than a fluke. DD's been rubbish today - very short naps and feeding every two hours. Praying I have time to make dinner after I put her down before she's up again envy
Sleep is so overrated.

larlemucker Tue 16-Apr-13 19:45:46

Agree any sleep is overrated!

abi HV said Vaseline. We bought some oils from a organic shop in the village, it's solid and a mixture of avocado, coconut and something else. DS has rash on chest, it's still a little dry but redness has gone. If you want the details of the shop PM me. All the stuff is made on site, putting it on baby larle has helped my dry hands too!!

abi2790 Tue 16-Apr-13 19:46:31

I know how you feel AnyPants. DS has been shattered all day yet he refuses to sleep! He then gets really tired and acts like it's my fault!

DS did go to sleep in his crib but then woke up whilst I was having a shower. He's now back on my boob again.

The annoying thing about it staying light longer is the parents on the street think it's alright to have their kids shouting in the street until 9 o' clock angry

MrsNPattz Tue 16-Apr-13 20:17:50

Bed time feed here - hopefully!

I lost 1.5lb at WW today taking my total loss to 21.5lb. I'm happy now so now I am going to try and maintain!

Then we were back at Water Babies this afternoon after Easter break - little man was very good!

We lost our Sophie the Giraffe today in the wind - sad times sad

Larle ouch that's a tough night - hope tonight is better!

Anypants Tue 16-Apr-13 20:18:26

I can top that - i've just heard an ice-cream van go past, ffs. Although, i'm that tired, i'm tempted to go and get one... If only he came round at 3am grin

Mmmm ice cream.

That's good news about work larle! smile Hope you don't get a repeat tonight.

Sorry about Sophie MrsN sad well done on your weight loss, you have done so well flowers

Abi that is really annoying of your neighbours, I remember that happened where we lived when I was younger - makes it really hard to get to sleep, especially when there are little ones who need early bedtimes.

Sadly I think that sleeping through the other night was just a precursor to a virus sad DS has been running a temp for over 24 hrs now - it got up to 39.7 this afternoon which was really starting to worry me, but once I could give him another dose of nurofen it went down again very quickly. He went to bed with it slightly raised, but having had calpol, so I hope that will keep it under control for a few hours. He's only in his nappy and at least the weather is mild enough to have the window open too. I hope the fever is gone by tomorrow afternoon, when he had one a few weeks ago with croup it only lasted 48 hours. Fingers crossed.

Now waiting for DH to get home so we can have some sodding dinner not at all tempted to go make toast, not at all

larlemucker Tue 16-Apr-13 21:26:31

Well done on weight loss MrsN.

I've just eaten a big bag of giant buttons, too knackered to care about WW!! I needed something to make me feel better!

Thankfully all the kids on our cul-de-sac are either older teenagers or under 5.

Please god let us have a better night!!

larlemucker Tue 16-Apr-13 21:27:31

Oh tea how do you sterilise your ameda lactiline?

Emilythornesbff Tue 16-Apr-13 21:41:35

Evening girls.

So tired.
Hope you all have a good night.
Em.

larle I have a steam steriliser - just do the flanges (is that what they are called?), the valves and the bits that pop in the top (why do I not know what they are called?!), no need to do the tubes or caps. Oh and the bottles of course grin I think I have managed to squeeze them into my microwave steriliser before, although perhaps not all in one go.

If you don't have a steriliser, you can make a microwave one by using a tupperware box with the lid on, but make a small hole in the lid - you then add 100ml of water and microwave for 4 mins. Or you can boil in a pan - best if you can have something for the bits to stand on, I melted one of my bottles by forgetting that sad

Does that help?

Anypants Tue 16-Apr-13 23:28:23

Well, I was right about little miss Anypants saving her evil plan. We had a poonami earlier which called for a bath at 3pm. That's thrown everything out the window as, aside from a snooze in the pram on a walk at about 4, she will not give in to sleep. She was screaming through Eastenders and Holby City so I Sky+'d them for the inevitable night shift she has in store for me later. Winner.brew

Anypants Tue 16-Apr-13 23:29:52

And Em and Larle - we're all in this together so grab a spoon and crack open the Ben&Jerry's grin

MrsNPattz Tue 16-Apr-13 23:37:47

First feed here, this sneaky early feed is annoying!

Yum to Ben and Jerry's - have you guys seen what flavours they have in the states!!

GiraffesAndButterflies Tue 16-Apr-13 23:44:28

New approach tonight: DH has been much better all day at settling DD, so tonight we're going to do it all together and see what happens. If he can accomplish the miracle of sleep I may need to give him a medal / several Xboxes / Hayden Pannattiere. Fingers crossed...

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 00:02:43

Fingers crossed giraffe
We're up for first feed, can hardly keep eyes open.

tea I emailed them about steam sterilising and they said to only do the bottles. The rest could be done in cold water, I presume that means use Milton. The instruction book says after the initial boiling you don't need to sterilise, just wash in hot soapy water. Don't know what to do!

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 00:03:27

Oh and caramel chew chew or phish food for me

Anypants Wed 17-Apr-13 00:23:29

Cookie dough for me.

Anypants Wed 17-Apr-13 01:25:46

Still not managed to achieve anything - we're up to 5 transfer fails now. Anyone else up or am I flying solo tonight? sad

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 01:38:36

We're up again any

I don't understand why he can't sleep for longer than an hour. This is killing me hmmhmm

Anypants Wed 17-Apr-13 01:46:26

Me too - attempt number six in progress. Will report back when it fails, again... angry

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 02:14:48

Just changed his nappy and he has green, flaky poo. Not normal poo with green bits in it.
Will have to call HV in morning. I've already been to the drs twice today hmm

milktraylady Wed 17-Apr-13 02:22:05

Hi everyone, I'm new on this thread. You all sound like you know what you are about smile

We are on day 3 with minimilk!
Planning to ebf, waiting for my milk to come in.

Can I ask about this transfer thing that's mentioned- do you mean transfer from sleeping on you, to being put into Moses basket!
I've been sitting in the nursery with her snuggled by me & curved cushion- for hours & hours.

Fed at 8pm, 10.30pm & 12.
Too scared to put her in basket in case she wakes & wakes up DH.
He is a complete hero & I want (need) him to get sleep tonight.

We missed 2 nights sleep with the birth, awful 1st night (should have stayed in hospital really) better last night & tonight she's snoozing & not screaming.

What do you suggest? Risk the transfer? I really don't know what to do hmm

Thanks so much

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 02:27:22

Ah, Ben & Gerry's mmmmmmm.........

Hi. 1st feed here?? I think. That's good then.
Larle, sometimes hey get green poo with wind, or if hey've not fed as efficiently as normal, or sometimes with a bit of a cold. Does baby mucked have lots of wet nappies? Feeding/ breathing ok?
Little blighters are such a worry aren't they?
Let us know what your HV says.
Hope ypu're all sleeping happily.
Em.

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 02:31:46

Congratulations milktraylady
Blimey. I would risk the transfer if babymilktray has been asleep for more than 10 mins.
If you think you might fall asleep then make sure your bed is safe (baby not near pillows or under duvet etc.) in case you accidentally fall asleep in the meant,ime.
Good luck with the transfer. You can always pick her up again if she grumbles.
See you soon grin

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 02:32:06

Yes emily he is feeding and breathing fine (we are on 4th feed so far tonight).
HV told me that green bits in poo mean colic but he hasn't been colicy, and there isn't any normal poo just the green bits! He seems fine in himself, apart from not sleeping.
Wonder if its something I've eaten.

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 02:35:21

Welcome milk and congratulations.

Yes transfer means putting them in cot after they have fallen asleep on you! I'd risk it. Do the floppy arm test, if you can pick LOs arm up and drop it and they don't tense then in a deep enough sleep to transfer (just don't let arm drop on LO as may then wake them up!)

Hope you have transfer success and manage to get some sleep

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 02:35:29

Oh, there's online info about safer bed sharing / night feeding.

Other news: my Medea pump arrived yesterday. Very efficient! smile

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 02:38:21

Ah, maybe something you've eaten. larle maybe something of nothing as it were.
4th feed! That's a tough night!
brew brew brew brew
Is that enough? Anyone else up? (good grief, I really could do with a brew

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 02:38:35

Second feed here, haven't even had 3 hours sleep in a row yet - this is what kills me! I was hoping swimming had tired him out too. There is still hope if he goes to a sensible hour after this feed who am I kidding

Welcome milk tray lady. Congratulations! Yes transfers are from you to Moses basket/cot. Maybe attempt transfer so you can get some sleep??

Poor baby Larle - please let us know what hv says.

Any hope you are sleeping soundly now!

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 02:40:04

Ah, "minimilk" cute name.
I second the floppy arm test.

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 02:40:52

Is my little man the oldest baby still waking now??

milktraylady Wed 17-Apr-13 02:48:04

Thanks for the lovely welcome!
Larle thanks for the arm drop test. Though she is lightly swaddled, as that settles her really fast after a nappy change.

Emily- I had inspiration after reading all your LO mumsnet names smile

Ok am going to brave putting her in her basket in our bedroom & getting an hours sleep before 4am feed.

DH been asleep since 10.30 so that's a good stretch for him.

abi2790 Wed 17-Apr-13 04:04:40

Woohoo ds had a good sleep from 8ish to 3:30 smile . Let's hope this isn't a one-off who am I kidding!

Sorry to all those having a bad night brew

Congratulations milktraylady.

We have swimming tomorrow so hopefully he will be tired enough to sleep in the day.

SoYoFromKokomo Wed 17-Apr-13 04:11:26

Evening all

New pack of choc digestives are open & we shared a tub of B&J Cookie Dough earlier.....I'm not sure these 500 extra cals a day you supposedly get from BFing are all supposed to be 'biscuit calories'. Give it another couple of months & I'll be joining the WW massive & stalking MrsN for tips now she's a fully fledged WW professional!

MiniYo has once again gone a lovely, long 10.30-3.40 stretch. Last night I finally got her back off at 4.15 but she was up again at 5. My problem is I only feel as good as my last sleep so at 6 this morning I was in full zombie mode. Shoud have just given in & got up at 5! Fingers crossed for longer this morning. If all else fails we tend to have a co-snooze from 8-9.30 anyway!

Today's aim is to buy some form of baby nail cutting device, she's destroying her face & my chest! Also, how the ell does a 7 week old baby get so much dirt behind her fingernails......?

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 05:31:30

Third feed - not a good night.

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 05:50:43

soyo try filing them. Baby larle also gets dirty nails, god knows how.
We're up again for feed 3001, that's how it feels.

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 07:18:49

Feeding again here too and probably up time!

Anypants Wed 17-Apr-13 07:48:09

Holy unbroken sleep, Batman. This is the first feed since I got her to sleep at 1.50!
Welcome milktray - hope you got some sleep?
Everyone else survive? Time for a well earned brew

GiraffesAndButterflies Wed 17-Apr-13 08:07:01

I bite DD's nails, that prob sounds gross but it works really well. And YY to the dirt under them!!

Welcome and congrats milktraylady

Sorry to hear you are still struggling MrsN and larle

Favourite Ben and Jerry's has to be Cookie Dough- NOM.

DHhas definitely got a better touch than I have when it comes to getting DD down. We still can't find any causes if her colic/reflux though, so just in case it helps I am giving up caffeine.

Decaf tea is not a problem but this also means no. more. chocolate. I may as well kill myself now sadsadsad

Anypants Wed 17-Apr-13 08:43:08

Giraffe - rather you than me. Not sure I could carry on without caffeine! Luckily the colic is not every night so I haven't got to give it up (yet).

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 08:44:59

Up and at em here, he went back down at 6 but only until 7:15 so we got up and are just having breakfast.

Giraffe ouch no chocolate!!! Good luck blush

We have a man coming this afternoon to do a safety check of the house for when little man is mobile god help me I already can't cope then we are meeting a new friend this afternoon, we met at baby group and she has been really supportive so looking forward to a natter.

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 10:10:11

Couldn't survive without chocolate! HV said it sounds like baby larle has had a tummy bug. When he stopped at my sisters on sat my niece said she had a bit of the runs, didn't think much of it but it looks like DS caught it hmm

Pinebarrens Wed 17-Apr-13 10:13:21

hi Mrs think we're a contender for oldest not sleeping through baby too.

DS was born on 25th Sept. so 6.5 months.

not bad last night,up at 11.30 for a feed then that was him until 6.45. the night before however up twice.

i think he's getting a bit better in that he's doing longer stretches of sleep but sleeping through seems a long way off for us.

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 10:40:07

Pine little man was born the 16th so 7 months yesterday, not far off little Pine!

Hope baby Larle feels better soon'

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 11:38:24

Poor baby path.
Hey you two with your non sleeping babies, my ds didn't sleep through until he was two grin. It will come.
I recommend doing what works, prioritising naps and getting them an early bedtime. Ds sleeps much better now if he's in bed at or just before seven with a calm routine prior to bed.
Your little ones probably still need to feed, you're not doing anything wrong.
Em.

I have no idea how feeding was for us after around 3 am. I got back to sleep at 5and ds was up and full of beans at 6.
Luckily dh got up with him and I slept until 830 yay!
Off to play with my new pump confused

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 11:39:16

For path read Patz obviously.

funchum8am Wed 17-Apr-13 17:30:14

mrsn babyfunch is getting better but still not sleeping through either, and is nearly the same age as your little man (born 4th Oct.). Bad night for her last night, up every 30 mins or so from about 3.30am sad. poor DH.

Has anyone else read "French children don't throw food"? My mum recommended it and it is very interesting so far...apparently the vast majority of babies sleep through from just a few weeks old. Harrumph!

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 18:18:20

Will we ever have good nights Funch!! Never read it and don't want by the sounds of it lol

MissingMyMarbles Wed 17-Apr-13 19:13:57

Crikey! Just had to catch up on eight pages!!

Can't stop. DH is at a meeting and I want to play games with DD1 now Missmarbles is in bed. Think she might be the oldest at nine months although isn't Goat's kid a bit older? That said we are at last, down to only one night waking YAY!!

WW q for MrsN: do you track your healthy checks or not??

Hi newbies and congratulations! Will try and check in again later. <whirlwinds out again>

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 19:17:10

Stayed the same at WW tonight but considering the amount of chocolate and wedding cake I've eaten I can't complain!!
Baby larle is on his 4th nap, really hoping for some sleep tonight otherwise I think I might lose the plot what little of it I have left

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 19:27:59

Huge hello to Marbles - we miss you! And Susie, Small, Brain, Heff, Amey. We saw Funch earlier.

I don't track them on the App physically Marbles but I always make sure I drink lots of water and have 5+ a day. Don't think about dairy and oils and stuff though. Have you abandoned Slimming World?

Well done Larle!

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 19:33:18

Oh guys I just have to tell you what hubby brought home today - a peanut butter twix from an American food shop!!! Omg it was sooooo good. There four half fingers in a pack and I had 3 for 9 points and it was so worth it! Yum!

Nope sorry, I WIN on the age thing. BG is nine months tomorrow. And if he had arrived on due date, he still would have beaten yours by one day, mrsn ! wink
Poor BG though, still not a happy nappy chappy. Had to er, have the bath early this afternoon. And this afternoon he spent an hour just lying on me with his head on my shoulder. Not the slightest bit usual! He did make up for it later by showing me his new climbing skills hmm but this isn't the best start to my first week back at work! Grandma is coming to look after him tomorrow because I absolutely have to go in.
Giraffes no chocolate?!! You deserve the biggest mummy medal ever.
Sorry cant scroll back to remember everyone's news. Sprinkling sleepy dust as I scramble for some myself.

abi2790 Wed 17-Apr-13 19:41:25

Evening ladies smile

DS has had a couple of short naps today so hopefully that means he'll sleep as well as he did last night.

He's been a bit cranky tonight with a snotty nose and he's been even more sicky than usual.

Emilythornesbff Wed 17-Apr-13 20:40:19

Babythorne is sleeping on my lap.
I'm hiding out in the bedroom while dh tries to settle sleep reluctant ds.

I find myself wondering where you all are. smile
Wishing everyone a good night.
Em.

emily I am hiding in my bedroom too, wondering how long it will be before BG realises that he has fallen asleep with his left leg up the side of the cot and his head rammed against the top. hmm

Maybe this is the answer to sleeping through?

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 21:38:50

Oh dear, little man not even down an hour and he has woken, I had just dropped off. Not a good start!

larlemucker Wed 17-Apr-13 21:51:05

emily do you mean geographically? If not then in bed, blowing a bloody gale outside!

MissingMyMarbles Wed 17-Apr-13 23:07:34

Ah Goat, Missmarbles was 9 months last week, but as I said, hopefully, we are very nearly there.

So I can have three portions of dairy or oils without using my points allowance (sorry, still sleep deprived due to work blush)? I found it really hard not to eat my porridge in the quantities I like it, on SW blush Also thought a change in approach might inspire me. Seems to have worked so far. Weigh day tomorrow so I'll let you know wink

Very windy (outsidegrin) here. Missmarbles let out a doleful cry over the monitor but is still asleep, so not sure if she'd gad a bad dream, bless her. Hoping to go even longer tonight. Sleepy Mice to all

Anypants Wed 17-Apr-13 23:18:22

Windy here too - in both senses. I could feel DD's little tummy gurgling at her last feed (half hour ago) and when I put her down, she screwed.her face up and let rip - pffffffffffffft. Takes after her father hmm
The outside wind is howling - I hope that it's the right kind of white noise to keep her asleep for a while.
Off to bed now, while I can as I have no idea what schedule she's on today!
Sleepy dust all over yourselves x

Anypants Wed 17-Apr-13 23:20:40

Oh and marbles - I think you still have to count the dairy and oils, but you should be having the minimum portions each day, like fruit and veg and water.

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 23:34:03

Feeding here, I just want sleep blush

Marbles sorry I wasn't v clear - you have to count them point wise, I just don't count them quantity wise!

Ahem, are we forgetting BabyTea, king of sleep awfulness, who turns one next week? grin

This bloody fever is still raging on sad Dr today said it might be a virus, but he wants to rule out UTI. So now I have the fun of trying to get a sample - who has done this before, was it larle?
Means we can't go to baby signing tomorrow, or go to my mum & dad's where my aunt and cousin are visiting sad

DS has had calpol and is now failing to go to sleep. Feeding, cuddling, singing all having no effect. Sigh.

MrsNPattz Wed 17-Apr-13 23:53:23

Give me strength, transfer fail. I have just given Calpol which he was not happy about - not like him cause he usually likes it!

tea definitely wins!! grin with marbles second... And actually if stitch is still around she was 11 months about a month ago.
can you do the cottonwool-in-nappy trick for the sample tea ? That's how we did it with BG when he was newborn.

BG has made himself a nest. Has pulled the sheet free and arranged in round his head so he is tucked in snugly. Ahhhh...

GiraffesAndButterflies Wed 17-Apr-13 23:58:14

Poor old babytea! How the heck do you catch a urine sample from a baby? Blue Peter never covered these life skills, way more useful than Christmas decorations out of jam or whatever.

Sympathies to all of you with 'older babies', I can't imagine having to do all this for months and months. You have my respect shock brew

Thanks for the sympathy re: no chocolate. That's actually quite gratifying! And I can show your comments to DH so he appreciates the sacrifice and thinks up ways to compensate grin

GiraffesAndButterflies Wed 17-Apr-13 23:59:23

Blowing sleepy dust your way MrsN

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 00:53:32

First feed tonight - got to sleep for about an hour-ish and feel more tired. Despite my 5 and half hours sleep last night, I didn't get any more today so I'm no better off. Will have to nap more tomorrow depending on how tonight goes brew

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 00:56:10

Yes tea I had to get a sample from BL! I popped him on his gym on top of towels and a absorbent change mat and waited, and waited, and waited. Was so busy getting fluff out if his belly button I missed the first one!! Got some in the end though. Some one recommended sitting him in an empty baby bath which I wish I had thought of

First feed here. I've had 3 hours sleep which is probably the most I'll get in one lump tonight.

Decided this weekend we're going to try and get him back to sleep without feeding overnight as he shouldn't need feeding this often and the lack of sleep is killing me

Sleepy dust to all

milktraylady Thu 18-Apr-13 01:55:11

Hi, our transfer did work last night! Yippee! But then she needed fed again, so woke up crying an hour later. And looking at the feeds timing- she fed every 2 hours from 8pm.
Looks like she's doing that tonight as well.

So I caught up on sleep in the day yesterday, DH gets a night sleep. As he can't nap. I assume its my hormones: head hits the pillow + can't hear crying = me asleep!

Plus my mum gave me advice- I wondered if anyone else does this:
Feed, change nappy, swaddle, another short feed to sleep, cuddle to ensure asleep & transfer to Moses basket. It worked 3 times today successfully. She slept for over an hour each time doing this.

I know the nhs policy is against swaddling, but I was wondering what you think?
<can of worms opened methinks?>

milktraylady Thu 18-Apr-13 02:02:35

Goat- a good tip for getting a urine sample from a nappy, in case i need to (hope not) Thanks.

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 02:18:43

Third feed, so sleepy.
Larle can I ask how you are going to try and stop night feeds? I will try anything

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 03:47:17

MrsN if he wakes not long after a feed then we are going to see of he can be rocked etc back to sleep. If he really cries then feed but hopefully that means we have spread the time between feeds out (from what to expect the first year).
Not going to start till friday though as at least then DH is off work.
He aim is to slowly stretch out night feeds so we get to sleep longer.

Second feed here so not a terrible night so far, it sounds horrid outside though.
Hope others are getting some sleep

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 03:48:45

Milk I use the same pattern - feed, change, swaddle, feed, sleep. I find DD only sleeps soundly if she can' t wave her arms about and it makes sense in the 'fourth trimester' theory. I also use the 5 S's: swaddle, sway, shush, suck (i don't use a dummy, just boob, if necessary) and side (have your LO on their side slightly when you're cuddling). Put all these together at once and I can always get her to sleep. Not always successful with the transfer though but the swaddling helps her feel like she's still being held. You're doing a great job so keep going the way you are! smile

milktraylady Thu 18-Apr-13 04:01:09

Thanks for the reassurance anypants.
Last feed was at 12.30, am trying to decide whether her grumblings are enough to try for a feed just now (5days old) or leave her.

Is it possible to detect a pattern when they have gut pain? She was a bit screamy after her feed, then settled on me & I didn't transfer. But now I have a numb bum!

Just wondering if this will happen after every feed?

Novia Thu 18-Apr-13 04:15:01

Hi there, wondering if I can join. Just fed and now have a tired baby in my arms which I'm trying to rock to sleep. She's 13 days old and usually a good feeder/sleeper, but I'm on a ton of antibiotics and its making her poor tummy very uncomfortable. hmm

GiraffesAndButterflies Thu 18-Apr-13 04:27:37

milktraylady - I've done zero research on the matter, but one of the nhs hospital midwives swaddled DD while we were there. So I'd imagine they can't be that strongly against it grin

Good luck with the new plan larle

Any I know what you mean, sometimes it feels like it would feel nicer not to sleep at all than to just get a short sleep confused

DD has just slept for more than 3 hours, possibly a personal best. Oh hell,, does this mean giving up chocolate is the way to go? <worried>

abi2790 Thu 18-Apr-13 04:29:52

Hello ladies smile. Little man had a fantastic sleep again from 8 til 4! This is the 2nd night in a row... Maybe this is a permanent thing. not keeping my hopes up.

Sending lots of sleepy dust to you all brew

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 04:31:21

Welcome Novia - if you're awake in the middle of the night and feeding a small human then come on in, the water's lovely! You'll need to bring some biscuits to the party though wink Congratulations on your new arrival smile
Milk don't worry about patterns at the mo - it's early days and even if your LO keeps doing the same stuff now, it'll be different next week!
Off to try a transfer now - wish me luck!

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 05:17:00

Welcome novia and congratulations!

We're up again hmm I've had a total of 4 hours sleep broken into 3 chunks. So, so tired.

Emilythornesbff Thu 18-Apr-13 05:40:56

Hi everyone. Can't readjusts clearly because tiredness has made my vision blurry but I'm thinking of you all.
Welcome to the joy of night feeds Novia.
In spare room so dh can sleep.
Babythorne didn't settle until after 11 and seems to have had micro snacks every hour since then grin when she dozed off an hour ago ds woke up and I've been trying to settle him. I can hear him again now so a grand total of no fucking sleep for mummy tonight sad

The problem with swaddling s he potential for overheating so you just need to use light coverings, like a sheet for swaddling and don't pile blankets on top for example.

Hope baby tea is better soon

SoYoFromKokomo Thu 18-Apr-13 06:14:36

So. Tired. But. Can't. Sleep.

Aaaaaaaaagh

MissingMyMarbles Thu 18-Apr-13 07:25:13

Very sleepy this morning. Not a good night, just as I was saying it was all improvingsad. To be fair, though, it's because she's got a stinker of a cold and really isn't well. Nose too blocked to feed. Have her upright now for drainage and she's managing to sleep some. Being a bit sick with sticky snot. Poor love

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 07:31:29

Morning guys, bloody awful night. At half 4 I fed lying down for the first time and kept him in with me. I think feeding lying down is going to be the way to go if this continues!

Larle we may join you in trying this, are you going to rock or is hubby?

Welcome Novia!

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 07:53:47

Ugh. Not. Enough. Sleep. Perfectly reasonable night by all accounts but feel as if i've had no sleep at all. I estimate a total of 5.5 hours but in three chunks, just like you larle.
Really need some quality time with my duvet sad

abi2790 Thu 18-Apr-13 08:12:11

Sorry for everyone who had a bad night. Hope you get a good night's sleep soon.

DS is driving me nuts this morning. I have boobs like Katie Price from him sleeping so well but he only wants to play not eat!

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 08:23:13

Me too Any!

Can teething lead to more wakings/feeds at night? I think one of the top ones is starting to break through!

GiraffesAndButterflies Thu 18-Apr-13 09:53:36

Ouch, I hate the Katie Price boobs feeling!

Really feeling for everyone who had such bad nights. I, um, think I stole your sleepy dust... blush DD has just woken up, meaning I've had 7 hours in 3 chunks. We did have a two hour waking/walking/crying period in the middle there, but that's still the best she's been in weeks.

If that's making you hate me, console yourselves with the fact that this arose from giving up chocolate!! grin

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 12:48:08

Not sure what's worse, not sleeping or giving up chocolate!!

MrsN book says to let DH do it if you are breast feeding as the smell of milk may keep them awake!

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 17:22:42

I don't think I could manage without chocolate!!

Larle I spoke to a very helpful hv this afternoon at booby group about his night wakings, and she basically suggested what you are going to do - don't feed him! I think I will keep the 3ish am feed but he will not be feeding every 2 hours tonight, dreading it sad

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 17:46:24

Think we will start tonight MrsN as I need to start sleeping.
Here to hand hold!

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 17:52:01

Here to hand hold too Larle!

MissingMyMarbles Thu 18-Apr-13 18:54:32

3 1/2 lb off!!! grin

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 18:57:16

Well, i've been on two hourly feeds since 2pm (i'm choosing to gloss over the hourlys from 11-2 as it doesn't matter now) so she could keep it up all night again. Sod giving up chocolate - I've just had half an easter egg that I found at the back of the fridge.
Good luck tonight Larle and MrsN and, if you need moral support (or biscuits) i'll be here, on my sofa, firmly rooted for the foreseeable future (or until the battery on my phone dies...) envy

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 18:57:54

Well done Marbles!

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 19:39:20

Well done marbles
any are you doing what I used to do and not going to bed? Nearly did me in, that's when midwife suggested topping up with formula.

Right ladies we start swim babies tomorrow. Someone tell me what to do!! Like what I need to take etc. class starts at 3 so what time should I get there?

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 19:49:23

Fantastic Marbles!

Oh Larle you will love it smile we take for little man: 2 towels, 2 carrier bags for wet stuff/towels, toys to keep entertained in changing rooms, swim nappies, usual nappy changing gear, and stuff for me. We aim to get there half an hour before!

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 20:30:42

Yeah I was thinking half an hour before. Going to need a suitcase!!! Got a little dressing gown a friend bought so thought it might be good to take that for when he gets out if pool.
Got him a reusable swim nappy but worried that its too big as he is a skinny minny!
Hoping it'll make him sleep tomorrow night!!xx

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 20:44:41

Do I need to make sure he doesn't feed for an hour before class?

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 20:51:12

Yea, little man was really sicky so I fed him 2 hours before but one hour is ok if he is not a very sicky baby. I'm off to bed now - wish me luck for tonight!! And good luck to you xx

larlemucker Thu 18-Apr-13 21:00:59

Good luck MrsN!!

Hope neither of us are on in the early hours!!

Good luck MrsN smile

It's just a question of finding a way to soothe him without feeding. I know some people say you shouldn't have any kind of prop, but from personal experience, it was much easier to find another way of settling him that wasn't boob, then later figure out how to get him to self-soothe. Just holding a hand on his chest and shhhing might help, or heartbeat tapping on his chest if he gets really antsy (this used to work like a dream with DS, now he gets pissed off and bats my hand away. In fact he doesn't like me touching him at all sometimes and tries to prise my fingers off his chest, sneaky wotsit).

Will be thinking positive thoughts for you.

Last night was just so colossally awful here - there was a terrible moment where I thought I might actually smother DS or shake him sad the screaming was relentless and nothing I could do would stop it. He eventually went to sleep around 2 or 3 on my chest with me sitting up (much like the early days). I am a broken woman today, so DH has said he will cover the first part of the night if I go to bed now. Just hoping DS's temp doesn't come back up again this evening sad

Night everyone, hope it is quiet for you flowers

SoYoFromKokomo Thu 18-Apr-13 21:41:11

Good luck tonight MrsN & Tea, I hope your night is better.

Nighttime feed here after fresh air walk, fingers crossed for a good stretch.

MrsNPattz Thu 18-Apr-13 21:51:02

Thanks guys. First up time here already and hubby is settling little man.

Oh Tea you poor thing - I hope you get plenty of rest now.

Babybeesmama Thu 18-Apr-13 22:25:08

Dropping in, hideous night last night here, DD up crying with temp then seemed brighter this morning after nurofen, took her and babybee to cafe to meet SIL and she spectacularly puked all over me in the middle of the cafe blush! Poor sausage looked so pale & poorly. I quickly got her in car then babybee & drove home covered in vom! Felt like a really bad mummy for taking her out when she wasn't well! sad second tummy bug in a week - not good.

Babybee teething like a trooper confused - one top tooth almost through now but requires nurofen every 6 hours at night or he wakes up screaming.

Tired beyond belief. Luckily DM came to rescue!

Sorry not to name check

Xxxxxx

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 23:10:31

If it's any consolation Tea, I had several moments today where I would have happily thrown DD on the floor and walked out. Wouldn't have stopped her crying but I would have felt better angry
I'm going for a lie down while DH looks aftet her - he's resorted to playing sift rock hits of the 80's on MTV classic which is keeping her quiet, but ultimately not helping her sleep. Let's see what state she's in in a couple of hours...

Anypants Thu 18-Apr-13 23:29:13

*soft rock

Good luck mrsn and larle ! Have some brew to fortify you. Also some brew for any on her sofa, filled with soothing stuff that is chocolates and helps LOs sleep.
Hooray for marbles and for giraffe ! That lack of choc so needed to deliver results.
tea hope mini tea is on the mend!
As for us not a good night last night with poor BG in obvious discomfort. Had had had to go to work today so grandma came to look after him. He had to be prised from me and I left him wailing bitterly sad Of course he was fine fairly quickly, I wasn't though! Tell me this gets easier...
He has perked up a lot but now DH is down with it and is lying in the other room a complete wreck sad Again I have to work tomorrow. Interesting first week back!

MissingMyMarbles Thu 18-Apr-13 23:46:50

Missmarbles is poorly/teething I can't decide. She's been clingy and whinny all day. Sat with her upright this morning from about 5 as she was full of snot and it was making her puke. She was better after that but hasn't been her happy self. We've had ear pulling too and chomping so she's had calpol but she's been up for a good half hour already which I was really hoping was a thing of the past. She's asleep now. Hoping that's her for the night. I'm at work tomorrow, on days though.
Here's hoping for quiet nights all round.

MissingMyMarbles Thu 18-Apr-13 23:47:26

Whingey* not whinny hmm

GiraffesAndButterflies Fri 19-Apr-13 00:28:39

Wow a lot of ill DC on the thread tonight. Un-MN hugs to you all.

I can't get DD to let go of my boobs... Very sleepy. How come we can be asleep on our feet and yet DC seem totally unaffected?

MrsNPattz Fri 19-Apr-13 00:40:12

Second up time here, earlier was very successful - hubby had him back to sleep in seconds. So far I have given him teething powder, a bit of a rock and now he's in his cot with the projector and Ewan, not asleep but quiet at the moment

Hope you are doing ok Larle.

MrsNPattz Fri 19-Apr-13 01:28:38

Still awake here, pissed off with hubby - I said to him before I went to bed I'm not feeding little man until 2, 5 mins of trying to get him to sleep (I have been trying for an hour) and he says feed him then goes off in a grump when I say no!! Thanks for the support love!!

MrsNPattz Fri 19-Apr-13 02:02:29

Well I got him to sleep and in his cot at ten to, but he woke again so he's feeding now cause that's 5.5 hours since his bedtime feed and two feeds that we have managed to miss out so I am pleased with that. It's hard work though and I'm knackered.

larlemucker Fri 19-Apr-13 02:21:52

Well done for sticking to your guns MrsN, naughty MrN though.
Baby larle has just woken up doing a big poo, made DH change nappy though. Now having a mammoth feed as its been 5 hours since last one.

Sorry to hear of all the sick LOs out there

abi2790 Fri 19-Apr-13 02:59:36

Well done larle and MrsN. I hope you're hard work night weaning your babies pays off and you get lots of sleep soon!

DS has slept well again. 8- 2:30. Maybe the last two weeks of waking every 1-3 hours have been a developmental stage?

abi2790 Fri 19-Apr-13 03:02:41

*your

Oh and hope babybee is feeling better soon.

I think ds is teething too marbles. How long does it take for first teeth to come through?

SoYoFromKokomo Fri 19-Apr-13 04:01:21

Bee,Tea &*Goat*hope your LOs are better soon & the magic of calpol is earning you some zzzzzzs.

Marbles have you got the weekend off? Hopefully the second week back will e better.

MrsN & Larle well done!

Sorry for anyone I missed, brew & digestives for all!

It took 2hrs to get Miss Madam to bed tonight but she's slept for 4.5hrrs since which is lovely. Having another mega feed now & hopefully she'll go back down.

larlemucker Fri 19-Apr-13 04:52:11

Baby larle just woken up again. Tried rocking back to sleep but he started having a meltdown. You know when they cry that hard they can't get their breath? So I gave in and we're feeding. BUT he went 5 hours between evening feed and first night feed and has gone 3 hours between 1st and 2nd night feed so already an improvement!!
Maybe he heard what I was planning!!

Hope everyone us sleeping

abi2790 Fri 19-Apr-13 07:37:49

Morning all smile

How did your night's go larle and MrsN?

Whyyy does ds always poo at 7am? It's not the nicest thing to wake up to!

larlemucker Fri 19-Apr-13 08:04:57

abi baby larle does a morning poo too!
We had 2 feeds last night. He woke again an hour after second feed but I snuggled and rocked him back to sleep then fell asleep cuddling!! Whoops!!!

MrsN how was your night?

abi2790 Fri 19-Apr-13 08:19:40

That sounds much better than your normal night larle Hope you're feeling less tired today brew. Are you hoping to night wean completely?

Anypants Fri 19-Apr-13 08:53:04

Sorry to have missed.the party last night - just checking in after a good night. DH got up at 3.45 to give DD a bottle and she slept through till now! I got some decent shut eye but have woken up with one very sore, massive boob and had to get up because I couldn't stand it! Feel much less exhausted though and looking forward to a better day. grin
Morning! brew brew brew

MrsNPattz Fri 19-Apr-13 09:14:47

Morning ladies, well I fed little man at 2, then had about 4 transfer fails so hubby tried and when he picked him up he was sick, and then went down after that so it must have been sitting in his tummy. That was him until gone 8! So although I was up for over 2.5 hours we achieved what we wanted to and I got a 5 hour stretch of sleep.

I have to admit I had a bit of a meltdown in the middle - tears, getting annoyed with little man and feeling very negative, even thinking that I will have to give up the WW job cause I can't do it like this. But of course I feel a lot more positive this morning!

Well done Larle! How do you feel today? xx

IAmJacksRagingBileDuct Fri 19-Apr-13 16:38:57

Hi ladies and little ones, sorry haven't checked in for a few days hope everyone's ok? <passes round coffee and choc cake>

We've made progress! Most nights only having one night feed now, although she's still convinced 5.30 is morning confused and this week I've been putting her in her cot in dd1s room for the first part of the night which seems to have helped with the early wakings, I guess we must have been disturbing her when we came to bed.

Off to Cornwall again tonight, DH has a job interview tomorrow so really crossing all our fingers for it.

Sending lots and lots of sleepy vibes to everyone.

Heff xx

MrsNPattz Fri 19-Apr-13 20:05:49

Bedtime nerves creeping in here - really hope it's easier than last night.

Glad things are going well Heff! Thanks for checking in smilethanks xx

abi2790 Fri 19-Apr-13 20:13:18

Good luck MrsN!

I think ds is feeling poorly. He's had a snotty nose all day and he's been really upset. He screamed right next to my ear... Ouch!! He's also got a really nasty dribble rash. It's making me worry as I don't know if it could be something. Definitely think we have a trip to the gp if it doesn't start to clear up over the weekend.

MissingMyMarbles Fri 19-Apr-13 21:58:15

Zzzzzzzzzz

Emilythornesbff Fri 19-Apr-13 22:17:27

Missed you all last night. Couldn't reach I pad grin
Babythorne fed twice. Why does it take them so long to settle after a feed though? If it was just change, feed, put in cot for a sleep it would be a pece of not at all fattening cake!
Hey ho. Waiting for babythorne to wake up for first night fed.
Good night wishes to you all.

abi2790 Fri 19-Apr-13 22:24:04

Ds has been asleep for a couple of hours but I can't get to sleep for worrying and some idiot in the street thinks it's okay to let your dog bark at this time. DS' rash is getting worse and I've been making myself panic by looking at symptoms of measles which is highly unlikely.

larlemucker Sat 20-Apr-13 01:06:45

Had a row with DH, tried to apologise but he is too angry so is downstairs and won't come back to bed. Fucking great

MrsNPattz Sat 20-Apr-13 01:29:23

Feeding little man, it's first feed since 8:30. He woke at 11:20 and we rocked, gave Calpol, shhhhd and he fell asleep at about 12 but that's him up again. Why will he not just sleep.

Oh Larle it's so hard isn't it, we are a bit like that at the moment. I keep getting so stressed out and anxious and we are winding each other up. Stay strong thanks

Novia Sat 20-Apr-13 02:21:45

Hi guys - checking in! Just fed baby but as Emilyt says - why does it take them so long to settle after a night feed? I'm knackered, why isn't she?! Just lying here desperate for the loo, rocking her crib. We are back at my parents for the w/e and left DH back home - so lovely for him, but a full night of total responsibility (and nappies) for me! I also still have multiple infections in my stitches from the birth and just want to sleep. hmm

Emilythornesbff Sat 20-Apr-13 03:06:31

2nd feed at casa thorne. <any coffee and cake left (thanks iamjack)>

Oh so tired and preparing for transfer fail grin

Poor Larle with grumpy DH. Don't be sad. He's just tired and overwhelmed (and has decided to forget that you are too). You can both make up tomorrow. Just enjoy having the bed to yourself grin.
Hope you're asleep now Abi. If not, call out of hours so you can get some reassurance.
novia I know. Same here right now. Little poppet just had 2 minutes' feeding and snoozing but if I try to transfer....... Monkey
As we all know this baby business is over all too soon and as someone said " when rhey're little you want to eat the,, and when they're teenagers you wish you hadgrin. I've decided to treasure this special. Ight time togetherness (and buy more coffee and Touché eclait.)?
Wishing you all healthy bubs and soothing sleep.

Emilythornesbff Sat 20-Apr-13 03:07:47

MrsN have you read that "no cry sleep solution" yet?

This will pass.

larlemucker Sat 20-Apr-13 03:48:47

Trying to rock instead of feeding but he is screaming the house down. He is so hungry. He is never going to let me bloody sleep

abi2790 Sat 20-Apr-13 03:57:17

Second feed here. I am so tired. Ds has been doing 8 hour stints for 3 days so why is he now waking 3 hourly sad .

You'll get through it larle brew. Keep strong!

MrsN You're doing great. Before you know it ds will be sleeping through grin

Thanks Emily. I finally got some sleep Not had a chance to get a look at his rash tonight but it's probably clearing and I'll have nothing to worry about.

Going to attempt transfer fingers crossed.

SoYoFromKokomo Sat 20-Apr-13 04:05:15

Evening all,

DH got home from work 2hrs late & then our plans for the evening went completely tits up so didn't end up getting LO into bed until 11pm. First feed since now and I ink we're having a transfer fail.

It's really hard keeping your spirits up and remembering to be gentle to each other when you're so tired isn't it Larle. I'm a witch to DH at the moment and he's grumpy after work because he's not happy there at the moment so not a good combination. It doesn't help that I think I'm more than a little jealous that he gets to go out & be himself & see & talk to people all day and then come home for smiles and cuddles for a couple of hours before bed rather than be at the beck and call of DD and PuppyMonster 24/7.

funchum8am Sat 20-Apr-13 04:23:44

Hi all, I am now up for the day as yet again babyfunch has decided to wake at three thirty and then refuse to go back to sleep. I think her eczema is keeping her from going back to sleep. Her back is itchy so when she lies on it she starts wriggling trying to ease the itch but just ends up squalling sad. She can sleep on her front but only til 3:30am apparently.

DH has had his meeting with work and is going back three days but as a teacher, not deputy head, from sept, which is a great compromise.

Sorry to hear of all the bad nights and poorly babies and DH rows...it is so hard on everyone when you cannot see where your next stretch of sleep is coming from.

DD is yelling so am going to have to give in and give her a bottle...am also down to one bf per day as of yesterday as she just won't take her evening feed anymore. She is completely distracted yet wolfs a bottle, but still feeds happily in the morning. Not sure how much longer that will last but I am going to try not to be too sad when she drops that too, there isn't much I can do if she starts refusing to bf!

Babybeesmama Sat 20-Apr-13 05:51:25

Can say with great conviction that co sleeping Is over for us - babybee fell out of our bed at 5am blushsadsadsad. I have been crying & feel so terrible. He seems ok but I just feel so guilty. He's too mobile to be in our bed. X

GiraffesAndButterflies Sat 20-Apr-13 07:58:15

Oh poor babybeesmana. Hope your little guy is ok- he will probably recover from the shock much quicker than you will!

I raided Waitrose for non-chocolate biscuits yesterday <passes them round>. DM came with me and encouraged me to spend loads as she had a £30 voucher to use up. So I blithely chucked in all manner of pricey delicious things, it's very easy to do a trolley dash in waitrose. Got to the checkout and bless her the voucher turned out to be for £3 not £30 grin But it would have taken faar to long to out everything back, obviously, so I bought it all anyway grin

We've entered a weird new sleep pattern where DD screams and fights my breast. We had screaming and anger until 1.30am but then she slept for 5 hours straight, a new PB for her. I'm not really sure how to deal with the fury though, can't figure out a cause. Advice welcome...

Good luck to you all trying to cut down those night feeds, hope your LOs get the idea soon.

larlemucker Sat 20-Apr-13 09:32:38

giraffe baby larle sometimes does that, have you tried breast compression? Cup your hand around boob but with your hand right against chest wall and squeeze. He gets like it if he has had the let down and it isn't coming out quick enough!!

Not so DH still not speaking to me this morning, I'm a but upset about it but what has upset me more is that he has also ignored our DS. That's not right. He was meant to get baby larle up, dressed and sorted this morn so I could express but he didn't get out if bed. He is also off work now for 5 days so its not as if he is going to piss off to work. I tried apologising last night but he obviously isn't interested, it was my fault as I but his head off last night. I'd not had half an hours sleep when baby larle woke up, I tried rocking to get him to sleep. When he fell asleep DH patted me on the knee, I was pissed off and it felt patronising so I told him to sod off. Bad if me I know but I was half asleep at the time.
We have never argued like this and we've been together 13 years.

And to top it off the sky isn't working so no tv either

MrsNPattz Sat 20-Apr-13 09:35:02

Well not a great night but kind of successful as only one feed. But he was awake every 2 hours and poor hubby has been awake since 4 cause he took little man into bed with him but then couldn't sleep himself. I got a few hours. Can't see when it's going to end.

Thanks guys, Emily I'm about half way through that book. Will try and read some more today.

Sorry for all of the other bad nights. Larle remind me how old little one is?

larlemucker Sat 20-Apr-13 10:05:03

Baby larle is 1 week off 4 months

MrsNPattz Sat 20-Apr-13 10:54:16

A bit younger than little man then. You aren't alone Larle, keep talking to us xx

Emilythornesbff Sat 20-Apr-13 11:32:31

Some words of encouragement (it's a beautiful day )

larlemucker and mrsN I promise this will change. Your babies are still tiny and it is normal for them still to feed at night (esp baby larle at 4 months) so you are doing all the right things.
mrsn take yourself to the back of that book where there's a section on "emergency measures" when you are at the end of your rope.
babybeesmama I feel for you. Been there. But he's fine isn't he. brew.

You're all great and thanks for helping with those night feeding blues.
See you around midnight grin

Emilythornesbff Sat 20-Apr-13 11:39:02

larle you've said sorry. Let yourself off now.

He's tired like you're not, I know! and he'll come round.

These early times with both dc have really tested my relationship with dh. I mean there are times when......... angry
But time passes, the nights get easier, you get yourself back a bit and it settles down. thanks and wine for you. No sharing with mr grumpy.

Oh I am wise old lady today grin

MrsNPattz Sat 20-Apr-13 11:39:30

Emily you are a star - you really make me feel better and I can't thank you enough. Will have a read! xx

Amey I feel for you, but he is fine and you will be to. I'm pretty sure it will happen to us all! Hugs xx

larlemucker Sat 20-Apr-13 11:54:20

amey he will be fine, they are very resilient!! I know lots of people who's babies have fallen out of bed or been dropped (shock) and they're not brain damaged or anything!!!

Thank you emily you are very wise!!

Anypants Sat 20-Apr-13 13:01:54

I've missed it all again - just trying to catch up on last night as we had a miracle of getting DD off at about 11.30 and then she slept through until 7. I was pleased until she went down for a nap at 9 but was still asleep at 11 and I had to wake her at 12 to feed her. Unusual for her to sleep so long in the day so am starting to think something is wrong. DH is going to work at 9pm tonight, leaving me alone with her overnight for the first time. Am dreading it in case something bad happens and i'm on my own shock
So I may well see you all later - i'll bring the coffee and low fat jaffa cakes... brew biscuit

abi2790 Sat 20-Apr-13 13:58:20

I am soooo tired. Just as I thought ds was into a better sleeping routine that all gets thrown out the window sad DP has taken him to the shops so we both can get some sleep but I just can't seem to sleep. I hope he sleeps better tonight.

Sorry you and your dh have had a falling out larle. He will come round. You're both just really tired.

Try not to worry babybee. He's fine and it happens all the time. Big hugs! smile

MrsNPattz Sat 20-Apr-13 14:58:31

That's a brilliant night Any, jealous lol

We are all in this together Abi thanks

funchum8am Sat 20-Apr-13 15:58:32

Larle your DH will come round and when he does he needs to promise not to ignore baby again, that is, as you say, really not ok. We are coming out of the early days blur now and our relationship is back closer to where we were before babyfunch came along, but with a few more strategies for biting our tongues now we have seen how bad it can get if we don't!

I think I can see things a bit from the men's side since I am the one working and DH is at home and doing nights etc...I do feel a bit like I never get to have a break since I have to be on the ball at work, and then when I get home I am on baby duty every waking moment plus two weekend nights. When I think that way I just remind myself that I am not doing the bulk of the nights and remember to feel grateful for that as it is a huuuuge bonus! Not sure if any of your DHs feel the same but they really might not get how awful the lack of sleep and the 24/7 responsibility is as they haven't had to do it themselves since you are such fab mums wink

Amey I feel for you but am sure ds will be fine....I remember when babyfunch fell out of the carseat at the HV clinic how awful I felt and how much I cried but it never had any effect on her at all!

Now for the first time I am wishing she would wake up so we can get out and enjoy the sunshine!!

GiraffesAndButterflies Sat 20-Apr-13 20:31:52

Argh stupid iPhone refreshed and lost my post sad

larle thanks v much for the tip, will try that at tonight's screaming match! Hope your DH has realised he was BU and you guys have patched things up now.

Wishing extra advance sleepydust to MrsN and abi, good luck to you both for tonight.

Any could your LO be having a growth spurt which is prompting the extra sleep?

abi2790 Sat 20-Apr-13 20:49:38

Thanks Giraffes.

Ugghh little man has been feeding since 7. Everytime he pulls away he wants more 2 minutes later. I've tried rocking and shushing him but he's having none of it. I think he's doing it for comfort... I wish he would have a dummy! He has been feeding a lot in the day too.

MrsNPattz Sat 20-Apr-13 21:11:43

Hope things improve Abi.

Hoping for a smooth transfer and a good night as hubby is out drinking so no help from him tonight. Little man has napped really well today so I'm really hoping that it's true about daytime naps effecting night time sleep!!

Good luck guys xx

abi2790 Sat 20-Apr-13 21:56:38

Thanks MrsN, you too smile DS has slept well today too. Albeit mostly napping on me but he did go in his crib for about half an hour and he slept in his pram this morning. Usually if he's slept well in the day he's less agitated and will sleep well at night. I hope it's the same for you smile

He finally let me put him down after he had a cry once coming off my breast. I think he's feeling a bit poorly. He's had a snotty nose and has been sneezing in his sleep. The rash on his face looks really sore too sad

Emilythornesbff Sat 20-Apr-13 22:00:12

Good luck mrsnpatz
Had a great day. Tried to give ebm but babythorne having none of it so no wine for me.
Hoping this is the bedtime feed and for a bit of a stretch of sleep. Two sets of 3 hours would be fantastic.
Well, I can dream (or rather I can't IYSWIM)
Good night wishes to you all.
Em.

Anypants Sat 20-Apr-13 22:11:50

Thanks Giraffe - possibly a growth spurt but since this morning she hasn't been quite so sleepy i.e. hasn't napped for more than a couple of hours so i'm not so concerned now. Phew!
However, I did just have a little cry as DH left for work. He's been out all day and was meant to be back to watch the LO so I could go and get the weekly shop but he ended up running late so I took her with me. Never again - She hated the trolley so I had to push it with one hand and hold her with the other. Grrr. I get back, DH is asleep. When he gets up, he tells me he's got an hour before he has to leave and I hadn't started dinner yet so he got the hump and said 'i can't do everything'. I am now alone with DD who now won't go to sleep and I can't stop crying. sad
<offers hand for holding>

funchum8am Sat 20-Apr-13 23:01:39

Here's my hand any! That sounds pretty damn unreasonable of your fella! Hugs, winebrewthanks to all of those who are going through the mill just now.

Anypants Sat 20-Apr-13 23:14:33

Thanks funch. Off to bed now but will check in at first feed in the night. (Have stopped crying temporily while LO is asleep...) blush

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 00:47:19

Here's another hand any

Think things with DH ok now, he said we need to sort out a way to get me some sleep as I'm a bitch at the moment. Can't argue with that!!

Trying a new bedtime routine tonight of bath, change, story, boob and bed. DS has hardly napped all day so unlike MrsN I'm hoping this means he is knackered and will sleep tonight!! He has just woken after 4 hours sleep (2 for me). Wouldn't settle with rocking so have fed and he is asleep again.
I know he is a bit young to give up night feeds completely but 5 times a night is excessive!!

Emilythornesbff Sun 21-Apr-13 01:11:18

Second feed (i think)
Babythorne just fell asleep during the last one, as did I, which I think is why we're here again so soon. She's just nodded off again after about a minute of feeding. Gonna change her nappy to see if that helps.

Poor any have a hug and a brew

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 01:27:38

Transfer fail hmm

abi2790 Sun 21-Apr-13 01:52:10

First feed here. Still shattered but a 5 hour sleep for ds is better than a 3 hour one.

I do the same thing every night at bedtime larle- bath, massage, dressed, story and boob. He goes to sleep straight away but does usually have a really long feed before he'll let me put him down.

He's another hand to hold any. Hope you're both fast asleep.

MrsNPattz Sun 21-Apr-13 02:23:11

Been up for an hour here but no feed and I'm not going to cause he's not hungry - I've given him Calpol and infacol and he did go back to sleep on me - now he's just winging and is fine when I pick him up.

Any here is another hand thanks

Larle how you getting on?

GiraffesAndButterflies Sun 21-Apr-13 03:00:56

Just a quickie from me to hope you're all asleep. <<hand for Any>>

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 03:20:28

Second feed here. We were up for an hour and a half earlier. Trying not to feed when he wakes but he is screaming the place down. When I give him boob he feeds. Don't know what to do, I can't keep going on like this with snippets if sleep here and there hmm

Sorry to hear of majorly non-sleeping LOs and recalcitrant DPs. I definitely the witch from hell in the Goat household at present. DH caught what BG has had so has been miserable in bed for 2 and a 1/2 days. Poor thing has been really ill. Not helped by me being ultra grumpy and prickly. I am so tired. Back at work and doing all nights and evening shifts. And BG is still not right so is waking a lot in discomfort or for a feed as he can't take much at once still so isn't having his usual during the day. I have just given up and brought him in with me. Like so many on this thread, I. Need. Sleep.
Waving the Wand of Slumber to all and sundry...

Anypants Sun 21-Apr-13 03:55:42

Thanks for the support <group hug>. Just on first feed here since I got her to sleep at 10ish. I feel better having had a bit of sleep but still think DH was fairly unhelpful. Still, he's got to work and I think my patience is being well and truly tested by him and DD.
Sleepy dust to all who are up now x x x

Anypants Sun 21-Apr-13 03:57:45

Are you still struggling larle?

Babybeesmama Sun 21-Apr-13 04:17:29

OMG babybee just slept 9 hours! It is a miracle! It will probably never been repeated!

Hope you're ok any & larle. Well done mrsn - stay strong!

Goat - things can only get better! You survived first week! Have you enjoyed being back to work? Apart from the tough time! X

GiraffesAndButterflies Sun 21-Apr-13 05:18:53

Second feed here. She would still be asleep except that DH sneezed in his sleep, woke me and babygiraffe up but not himself hmm

Glad you're ok Any. Nearly daytime smile

Poor you larle. Has the gap between feeds lengthened at all?

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 05:29:42

Up for 4th time now (I think), each time we have tried to get him to sleep without feeding but he goes hysterical. DH now getting pissed off and saying its my fault for teaching him he always gets a boob when he wakes up. I've been doing it a lot of the time so that DH can go back to sleep because he is back at work.

I really don't know what to do, it's been a month since we've had more than 4 hours sleep in one lump

Oh larle I really don't know what to suggest, you didn't 'teach' him, he's still a tiny and needs food at such regular intervals. It's so tough with the sleep deprivation.i hope you find a solution!
*any that sounds like an improve my, long may it continue!
giraffe all sudden nighttime noises must be banned...
amey congratulations!! So now, how many times did you wake up thinking 'is he alright??!' or 'any minute now, surely!' grin hope not and you stayed asleep! And yes you're right, if I can survive this week then the remainder of the term is going to be an absolute doddle!!
And now, could someone explain why newly mobile babies have elasticated arms when it comes to coffee tables and bookshelves and suddenly everything within six feet is reachable hmm but the floor is a foreign country for which they don't have a visa?

Emilythornesbff Sun 21-Apr-13 07:24:24

Feeling rough after a couple of transfer fails, a few feeds, snoring dh (seriously, like a tractor was starting up in the room. grin ), and ds up at six hurrah!

I wish napping was an option. sad

larle you're not doing anything wrong. Baby larle is having a little phase and it will pass when he's had his growth spurt or whatever is going on. IMHO you might benefit from just feeding him when he wakes, try and make sure he gets both boobs, check that ypu're not missing a feed in the day/ evening because of being busy or tired and wait for this episode to pass. If you can feed him before he goes nuts you might find he settles better afterwards, then in a couple of weeks you'll find he goes a bit longer between feeds. Does he have long daytime periods when he doesn't feed? Thinking of you. It's so tiring.
And grrrrr to any rubbish DHs at the moment. What are they like?

funchum8am Sun 21-Apr-13 08:45:25

Larle could you give LO water instead of milk? Someone suggested this to me and it worked for a bit though she started rejecting it in the end, so we abandoned that feed and it has been fine. However I know people it hasn't worked for too as their LOs are a bit more discerning and noticed it wasn't milk before they chugged it down.

We were up at 3:30 again then she was up every 30 mins til DH got her up at 5 but I slept through that shock I am meant to be on duty as it is the weekend. I think letting her grizzle in bed a bit hasn't taught babyfunch to go back to sleep but rather taught ME to sleep through it! Poor DH.

Watching the London Marathon coverage while ironing - it is so uplifting!

Huge hugs once again, sounds like there are some truly awful nights and examples of DH behaviour out there. Goat let me know if you want me to dash over today or run any errandshmm

MrsNPattz Sun 21-Apr-13 09:10:29

Well a pretty successful night here - no feeds until 6:30!! Spent an hour and a half getting him to sleep when he woke at half 1, and he slept in with me since then but we fed lying down at half 6 and then slept until now!

Larle will little one take ebm?

Amey that's fantastic! You must feel like a new woman!!

Sorry for other bad nights - brewbiscuitthanks

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 10:07:06

He does have expressed milk, I don't have much stocked up at the moment though as it was all used last weekend. When we have given him it in the night it hasn't helped.
Really had enough now.

Off for a walk in the rain without DS for a break

MrsNPattz Sun 21-Apr-13 10:14:04

Just wondered if you might be able to have a night off? Do you have a helpful hv you could talk to? Hope you feel better after your walk thanks

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 12:53:24

Going to see the HV tomorrow as he needs weighing. I'm soaking and cold but a good walk!

Emilythornesbff Sun 21-Apr-13 14:38:44

Good luck larle.

abi2790 Sun 21-Apr-13 15:34:35

Sorry you had another bad night larle. It will get better soon flowers.

DS is having a really good nap which never happens anymore!

Emilythornesbff Sun 21-Apr-13 16:25:49

Goodness dd has slept in the car or the sling for most of the day. So i'll be on duty tonight. I'll put the kettle on. brew

MrsNPattz Sun 21-Apr-13 17:10:20

And did it make you feel better Larle? Hope you have had a super chilled day!

Little man has not napped as well today so I could be in for it tonight!!

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 17:41:37

He has had 3x 1/2 hour naps today so I hope that helps tonight.

Got the hobbit to watch but god knows when I'll have the energy!

Hope every has had a good day, fingers crossed for tonight

abi2790 Sun 21-Apr-13 20:18:00

Good luck tonight larle.

DS has napped well today. We even fed lying down today as I have been shattered and he had a little snooze then. We've had one transfer fail already tonight. He's asleep with his eyes open at the minute so I can't put him back down yet. Can't wait to get to sleep!

larlemucker Sun 21-Apr-13 20:42:25

Right baby larle in bed upstairs. So tired but waiting to FaceTime my niece as I missed her swimming gala tonight hmm

Spreading sleepy dust but not too much as I need some for myself

Anypants Sun 21-Apr-13 22:19:42

larle, abi, mrsn and emily - good luck for tonight. I earned myself a night off so DH (despite his flaws) has agreed to do the first feed later. I'm shattered after looking after DD all day (we went to watch the marathon and she must be knackered after all the running around) and we gave him lots of peace and quiet so he can be in charge tonight after practically two days off!
Lots of sleepy dust to those who deserve it most x x x smile

Babybeesmama Sun 21-Apr-13 23:11:27

Good luck everyone! We are up for a feed already so no 9 hour tonight! hmmWould be totally happy with 5 hours after this bottle tho!!

Hope you're feeling better about things larle.

Spreading sleepy dust liberally including some over babybee but not DH who is already sparko! x

MrsNPattz Mon 22-Apr-13 01:16:26

Up here, little man woke in pain I think so Calpol and Nelson's teething powder given. He's now asleep on me so going to sit for a while before attempting transfer.

Hope everyone's nights are going well!

GiraffesAndButterflies Mon 22-Apr-13 01:19:32

Sigh. I would say we're up for a feed but actually she hasn't gone down yet, pesky little night owl!!

About to drop phone on my face from tiredness though so good luck larle and we're off to try a nother transfer.

larlemucker Mon 22-Apr-13 01:44:42

Up at 10 and he had both boobs. Now awake and crying. DH won't let me feed him and rocking isn't calming him down so I'm lying here listening to him crying. It's been 15 mins and its killing me hmm (DH is still rocking etc)

abi2790 Mon 22-Apr-13 03:02:32

First feed here. He's done 6 hours which is really good. He's having a good feed now and falling asleep smile

Hope you managed to get babylarle to sleep larle.

Hope it wasn't much longer until you both got to sleep Giraffes.

Hope ds is feeling better soon MrsN. My lo hasn't been feeling good today either. He's had a snotty nose all day sad

Spreading lots of sleepy dust!

larlemucker Mon 22-Apr-13 03:19:47

No we're still awake. Baby larle is wide awake and gurgling. Don't think I'll be getting anymore sleep tonight

Glad there are some better nights being had

SoYo Mon 22-Apr-13 03:40:38

MiniYo fed and back in basket with the light off but having a good old wriggle and whinge so think we're in for a transfer fail! Can't let her make too much noise before I haul her back out, DH has a big day in work tomorrow. I'll give it 5 mins.

Someone pass me a bit of that sleepy dust, or if not a brew

MrsNPattz Mon 22-Apr-13 03:58:39

Awake again here, not in pain this time just woke up and then became wide awake very quickly. No feeds yet though and he's now asleep on me again so sitting until attempting transfer. Starting to feel very disheartened again though, like it's my fault that he's waking up so often sad

MrsNPattz Mon 22-Apr-13 04:11:01

Transfer fail

MrsNPattz Mon 22-Apr-13 04:49:13

Now we are feeding, we had a successful transfer but he woke 15 mins later and I don't have the energy for anything else

GiraffesAndButterflies Mon 22-Apr-13 06:42:44

Wow the thread's been quiet tonight. Hope that means good things for you all!

I'm astonished at DD, she's slept for six hours and still going shock. Grunting and groaning woke me up but that was half an hour ago and she's clearly gassy but determinedly sleeping through it! I'm sitting here with drinks, snacks, Infacol, Kindle and full boobs at the ready, feeling a bit redundant! smile

Sleepy dust and brew for anyone who's up