How to stay awake during night feeds part 7 - put in your orders for sleepy dust!

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Can't believe we are on part 7! and I'm still here

Welcome one and all smile

MrsNPattz Wed 30-Jan-13 00:15:06

Thanks for new thread Tea!

First feed here, it took me aaaaages to fall asleep so I haven't been asleep long, Hoping for a quick feed and that I fall asleep quicker!

Hope mini Marbles has settled now!

Susieloo Wed 30-Jan-13 00:39:39

1st feed after early bed after he fell asleep having only had 2oz so I've spent most the night checking on him because its so unusual for him to be off his food!!

small agree with everything that's been said that's outrageous and I'm fairly sure illegal.

Eyes very tired despite an early bed for me, we are walking into town tomorrow to go and see the dr, babyloo's one eye is rolling into the middle a lot and I'm worried it might develop into a problem -also want to ask my dr what to do about my one boob, one has deflated and the other hasn't so I'm very lopsided, not sure whether to empty it but all advice seems to be don't express.

Hope you had a successful transfer marbles

LookAtHerGo Wed 30-Jan-13 00:44:25

Marks place in shiny new thread.

DTs had their tongue ties snipped today, I've got to work on getting their mouths open wider when latching on but I've had no nipple pain since they've had it done grin

I've managed ooh about a 5 min doze so far this evening. A massive cry and a few sweary words. Last night I think I got 2 hours sleep max, it probably wasn't even that much. I bloody well hope tonight is better.

Dumb question here, transfer fail, what are you on about? Is it the putting small child down after feeding and them waking?

DD used to wake loads in that respect. I'm hoping to be more successful with the DTs but at the moment I'd just be happy with a night where I get a few hours kip.

Ameybee Wed 30-Jan-13 01:18:20

Yep look that's what a transfer fail is exactly! Heartbreaking when they are fast asleep in your arms/on boob/bottle!

We are having baaaad night so far - baby bee is very hoarse & coughing sad don't like it! He's woken about 4 times so far. Is having some milk now so hoping for a few hours - DH is moaning already even tho I've done the last 4 nights on my own

That offer from my DM is looking very appealing right now!
I think co-sleeping will save me tonight! Feel shattered! X

funchum8am Wed 30-Jan-13 01:53:28

Sympathy to all, we are having a bad night too. babyfunch woke at 12:25 after bed at 9 and we are feeding again now. I think she was crying a minute or two before I woke as she sounded pretty wound up. Her cot is right behind our heads but in the next room and I have never failed to hear her before...possibly it is because I am absolutely knackered plus have a cold sad

look you must be dead on your feet, I really hope you can get some sleep.

funchum8am Wed 30-Jan-13 01:54:47

tea thanks for sorting new thread!

amey get that DH of yours told! He does not get to moan unless he does some nights in return for the last 4!

larlemucker Wed 30-Jan-13 02:10:28

First feed here. Had horrid day with baby larle screaming all day, think he Is getting a cold and has colic.
Probably a silly question but if I want to give him gripe water does the spoon need sterilizing?
Hope you get some sleep look
amey take your mum up on the offer, bit of jealously over here as my mum passed away 5 years ago in march and like you I don't think I'd trust anyone else to have him overnight

Thanks for new thread, tea
But number 7?
I feel old...
amey definitely take your DM's offer or I shall be forming an orderly queue behind funch !
look hope the tt snips work wonders for sleep! Does it take them time to get used to it?
larle sounds a horrible day. Hope you get a better night. You don't need to sterilise the spoon, it is stuff in contact with milk that needs it. Though we give stuff like that in syringe or teat.
Finally went down here at 9:30 and has been ok since. Though am cheating and am co sleeping. He will be here forever. Taking up more room than my 6'5" DH.

Sorry to hear about your mum larle I lost my dad 6 years ago and I am so sad that he will never get to know his first grandchild.

Oh no, major nappy alert... confused

MrsNPattz Wed 30-Jan-13 03:53:47

Second feed here zzzzzzzz and he is wide awake hmm

ChilliBanana Wed 30-Jan-13 05:29:39

Lost count of how many feeds, brought him into my bed at midnight to see if it would help but it didn't sad
look I hope you get some more sleep now the tt are cut.
small that's terrible and I hope you get some legal advice.
larle and goat thanks for your losses.
<yawn> think I'll be asking dh to do a night of feeds this weekend. Hope poorly and non-sleepy babies are sleeping soundly now.

funchum8am Wed 30-Jan-13 05:46:45

Gah second feed but gazillionth waking here. DH got up with her at 4:30 bless him but she needed feeding at 5:30 and was really yelling so I fed her rather than put up with the noise for the time it takes to make up a bottle! At least she might sleep a while now, she is normally up by 5 for the day.

I am sacking off my kit day and taking her to the cm so I can sleeeeep and get this cold nipped in the bud...ridiculously excited by the prospect of 4 hours in bed alone with no wakings!

funchum8am Wed 30-Jan-13 05:47:34

goat and larle I am so sorry to hear you have lost parents. Big hugs.

larlemucker Wed 30-Jan-13 06:35:52

goat I know exactly how you feel, we're waiting for the weather to improve and then we'll take baby larle down to the cemetery to meet his grandma. I know some of you may think that's weird!
We're on second feed, much more sleep than last night thank god. Hopefully he'll go down for a few more hours after this.
funch enjoy your 4 hours, sounds like complete bliss!

larlemucker Wed 30-Jan-13 06:36:35

Thank you for the hugs.
Anyone for homemade ginger shortbread?

larle we will be visiting grandad when we go to NZ this August!

Pleeeeeeaazzzzze go back to sleep, little baby goat... You know you want to.

And yes please to the shortbread! Yum!

larlemucker Wed 30-Jan-13 06:56:53

Anyone else's child wake up with the click of your bra strap as you put boob away? They need to make silent clips!

MissingMyMarbles Wed 30-Jan-13 07:03:10

Ooh! Shiny new thread! Thanks, Teasmile Hopefully it will go back on the list and my threads I'm on list, rather than having to go through the link on my desperate plea list grin

Fed at 1.20 and got back to bed about 1.50 then..................6.20!!! Feel like I've had a full nights sleep! It's amazing that its often where in the night you get your long stint. I'd hardly call 4 1/2 hours that long really (she's nearly 7 monthshmm) but waking at 6.20? Bliss! <desperately hopes its a pattern and not a calpol induced one-off>

Sorry others nights have not been so straight forward.

MrsNPattz Wed 30-Jan-13 08:44:54

Up time here, pretty rubbish night but hey ho!

Sorry for your losses Goat and Larle thanks

Yum I will take some virtual shortbread please!

Larle I'm always worried he will wake up with my bra strap but he never does thankfully!

Off to walk to the Drs soon, then a quiet afternoon. Hope you all have a good day xx

Smallgreenone Wed 30-Jan-13 08:51:04

Thanks guys I not sure if its legal or not but I will check. I'd also like to start my own business so if might be the kick up the bum I need.
We had a good night after a bad start. Eventually went down at 9 until 4.30 so 7 hrs!
Cannot believe we're on part 7! Hoping I can graduate soon- feel like I'm being kept behind for bad behaviour at school!

Macaroons Wed 30-Jan-13 10:48:30

Haven't posted for a few days and we are on to a new thread already grin

Hope you are all well! Baby mac just fell asleep for his nap and I'm very tempted to join him wink he's been doing 6.30-11.30 then 12.30 to around 5 or 6 recently. I usually feed him lying down on our bed and if we are lucky he falls asleep and doesn't wake till 8. (Last Saturday we slept till 10.30!! What a lie in!!!! I wish he does that everyday!)

Small - what business are you planning to start?

Sorry for lack of name checking, haven't read rest of the thread yet!

Ameybee Wed 30-Jan-13 14:45:35

Goat and larle, I'm so sorry for losses. I would say one of my biggest fears as an adult is losing my parents or DH's parents, we are very close to all of them.

I was too tired to post last night, we prob got about 4 hours sad.
I'm fed up of it now. Have downloaded the no cry sleep solution & started a sleep log. Seems sensible, one point I've already tried that worked was if your baby always wakes say 45 mins into nap - set a timer and go in at say 40 mins so you can immediately re settle - gave us a longer lunch time nap.

Small that's awful about your job sad hope you get something sorted.

larlemucker Wed 30-Jan-13 16:05:14

Been up to see mum today, couldn't stay long as weather horrid and it was really hard. amey losing a parent is awful, we also lost my fil 2 and a half years ago, but you just learn to cope without them, it never gets easier and it hurts everyday but I keep going cos I know my mum would want me to. She would also be very proud of her grandson and I'm going to make sure he grows up knowing about his grandma and grandad

funchum8am Wed 30-Jan-13 16:58:48

I enjoyed about 2.5 hours' sleep in the end - I have a bad cold and kept waking up parched or struggling to breathe through my nose sad. but feeling better than before!

larle sorry it was hard today but it will be worth making sure baby grows up knowing about his grandma. I can't imagine how hard it must be to lose your mum, though I guess one day I will have to find out. it comes to us all in the end. More hugs.

Babyfunch having a big nap after refusing to sleep at the cm's save two ten minute stints. Oh dear. I foresee a bad night now. CM reports that babyfunch has become aware enough to do an attention seeking cry....I know it isn't fashionable to say this on MN but I agree - sometimes she just wants a cuddle!

Smallgreenone Wed 30-Jan-13 18:13:39

Oh larle I'm sorry i missed the part about your mum, it must be so hard. funch baby small sometimes just wants a cuddle too, I think all babies do, all part and parcel of being so tiny I think. I sometimes want a cuddle too if I'm honest!!
Baby small is going to bed now. I might try that tip amey about waking them. We've managed to get the morning nap in the cot with shush patting but its still only 30 minutes and then he wakes tired. Am working one nap at a time so will sort this one before we move on to lunchtime nap.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Wed 30-Jan-13 19:41:58

So sorry those if you who have lost parents thanks I'm lucky to be close to both mine and DH's and the thought of losing them is hard, big hugs to you all.

larle I thought I was bonkers for thinking that about bra straps but yes both babylump now and dd1 as a baby seemed to be tuned to it! Why do they have to click so loudly?!

small hope you get your job situation sorted, what type of business are you thinking of?

funch hooray for a few hours uninterrupted sleep smile Hope you get lots more tonight.

goat how're the raspberries going?!

Who mentioned ginger shortbread?' Yes please grin

Just feeding and about to attempt transfer, hoping to go to the cinema tonight with my sister, will be first time leaving DH with babylump and a bottle of ebm as previously he and DM have done it together. I know he's a fully capable grown man but for some reason I'm still fretting.

See you all later, good luck all round.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Wed 30-Jan-13 19:43:33

Ps thanks tea for thread number 7!

MrsNPattz Wed 30-Jan-13 20:30:31

Hi all, I'm hoping it's bed time here as I'm shattered after last night! Hoping for an easier night tonight.

I walked to the Drs which felt good. The Dr looked at my sore side and doesn't think it's thrush, I'm just to keep an eye on his latch but it's actually getting better! She also said that as I'm feeling better mentally it must be the tablets kicking in now and it should only get better.

How are you feeling Amey?

Hope you enjoy the cinema Heff - what are you going to see?

geekette Wed 30-Jan-13 20:44:40

Marks spot. Baby geek is in bed. Still woke up lord knows how many times last night.

Smallgreenone Wed 30-Jan-13 20:51:40

Oh dear first wake up so sat here in the dark, not hungry just wanted cuddling.
An upholstery business heff so curtains, chair coverings, soft furnishings. Stuff i can do at home on a machine,dog beds anything really. I don't need to make loads. My wage after childcare costs and commuting money would be tiny anyway so I only need to make the tiny amount as baby small wouldn't need childcare. Any of you need curtains making?!

BrainGoneAwol Wed 30-Jan-13 21:02:36

amey what download is that? Is it an app?

Sorry not to name check. Reading what everyone is up to but can't face typing out a long reply on my teeny phone screen.

Sleepy dust to all of you and babies [smile|

Hello, loving the shiny new thread.

Haven't managed to read through it all yet and missed the end of the last thread, so apologies for not name checking everyone.

Sorry to hear of your losses larle and goat thanks

A better night last night, thank goodness. Hoping for the same tonight.

Sleepy wishes for us all tonight, I going to attempt transfer now so will be back on later I am sure.

Ameybee Wed 30-Jan-13 21:40:52

Looking like a bad night already for me sad he has a horrible dry cough which keeps waking him up!

Brain its a book download for kindle/iPad kindle app called the no cry sleep solution, I'm just taking the bits I think are good from it, I'd never thought of going in before they wake up too early from nap so they don't get chance to properly wake themselves up. Its got some good strategies in it.... Will keep you posted on progress! X

Ameybee Wed 30-Jan-13 21:43:24

Mrsn I am starting to feel much better thank you, still have days where I feel anxious & a bit low but nothing like last week. Made it to baby massage today! Glad yours are kicking in too & you feel a bit better! X

larlemucker Wed 30-Jan-13 21:50:15

Thank you for all the kind words thanks.
Baby larle has had an extra bottle today to see if it will help him sleep, so far it has worked. I feel awful giving him formula as I really wanted to ebf but I just don't seem to make enough for him, I can feed him all afternoon but he'll still be hungry so doesn't sleep for long.
We've also ordered a travel cot today in the hope that we can get our bed back! Not enough room in a double for the 3 of us and I think he won't sleep in his Moses basket as its too narrow and he hits the sides in his sleep.
small you must be quite talented (and patient) to do that. Can you make a christening gown out of a wedding dress?!!
Dh been baking so as well as ginger shortbread there's honeycomb tiffin, chocolate chip and raison cookies or mocha marble cake. Send in your orders for tonights feeds!

Yay for MrsN and Amey feeling a little better smile

We've been back on 9pm and 2:30am screamfests the last few days (as well as a feed when I go to bed around 11pm), but DS has been pretty much asleep since 8pm now, so things are looking a bit better, I hope.

He has been a right monkey at napping in the day lately, especially if we are out - I have to sacrifice my phone to put it in his buggy playing white noise in order to get him to sleep!

Still haven't moved him out of our room at 9m. I keep saying to DH that we will, but I will miss him sad

Smallgreenone Wed 30-Jan-13 22:05:25

Honeycomb tiffin for meeeeeeeeeeeeee please!!! Disastrous night already- baby small feels he needs our kingsize bed in order to be able to sleep confused. Screams blue murder when transferred to cot, sleeps soundly on our bed though even though I'm not in it yet- just how does he know the difference?
Not talented larle but acceptable with a sewing machine. Although I will need to go on a proper upholstery course so I can be sure I'm doing things properly if in going to charge people for it.
Going to attempt to get into bed without waking sleeping beauty

funchum8am Wed 30-Jan-13 22:30:42

Wow larle your DH sounds useful in the kitchen! mocha marble cake for me please!

Sooo pleased mrsn and amey to hear you are feeling better...long may it continue!

I have downloaded the no cry sleep solution too, will start reading it tomorrow.

babyfunch was sooo tired this evening but DH managed to delay bedtime to 8.30, our new earliest bedtime, while I went to a residents' association meeting. I went in to dream feed her (going to try it again for a week to see if it helps her sleep longer) but she was so sound asleep I couldn't bring myself to wake her! I am not usually such a softie! So now in bed nursing horrible cold and anticipating a crap night of nose blowing, dry mouth and baby comforting. hope all of you have lovely sleepy babies!

BrainGoneAwol Wed 30-Jan-13 23:29:18

Ah. Thanks amey. Thought someone had invented an app that would solve all our problems!

Ooh larle. Tiffin for me please. I made some glace cherry loaf cake yesterday which has nearly all gone already.

Not doing well with babybrain. No idea what the problem is. Finally put down for bed at 9.30. Up at 10.30, now again at 11pm. Wakes crying even though he's so tired he's dropping to sleep on my shoulder, which he hasn't done for months. Not giving any signs to the problem -no chewing, pulling up legs or anything just tears sad. Even woke after calpol 20 mins ago.

small that sounds great smile

funch hope the night goes better than expected...

LookAtHerGo Thu 31-Jan-13 00:51:28

Sorry everyone. No name checking. Had a bit of a rubbish night last night, ended up in floods of tears waking DP up at 4:30. Trouble with boys opening their mouths far enough, had had barely any sleep and couldn't deal with it. Saw mw today who helped me, but we've a way to go yet. Given both boys ebm bottles tonight to allow me some more sleep.

Currently however I've dd on my lap who has developed a cough that sounds slightly croupy, I hope it isn't and that it's a sore throat that is making her bark a little. I think she's dozed off now so I'm going to try getting my head down.

ChilliBanana Thu 31-Jan-13 00:55:10

Up every hour almost to the minute - if I wasn't so tired I'd marvel at his timekeeping. He's so stuffed up he's having such trouble breathing I'm actually a bit surprised he hasn't woken more.
Poor funch, sending you some nice soft tissues and a hot toddy.
small business sounds fab, I hope baby small made it into his cot.
Please may I have some Tiffin larle?
I'm sure I'll be back next hour, scattering sleepy dust for all in the meantime.

MrsNPattz Thu 31-Jan-13 03:03:46

First feed here - he's already been on my boob half an hour!!

Gosh honeycomb tiffin sounds soooo good! My tummy is rumbling but no snacks so I will happily take some please grin

Amey really glad you are feeling better!

LookAtHerGo Thu 31-Jan-13 03:08:09

Dd slept after I put her down smile no coughing heard since.

Just doing another bottle feed, I'm too tired and needing sleep to try bf as it takes far too long. Bf might be saved for day times at the moment. Mw coming again today so will chat over things with her.

Ameybee Thu 31-Jan-13 03:12:42

Virtual hugs look! Hope you are ok & DD too, its horrible when they are poorly.

Second bottle here, he really is a nocturnal feeder! Everyone keeps telling me he needs to drink more milk in day - err I know, but how on earth do I make him??! HV wasn't impressed that I'd started weaning but DS seems to love it grin & my gut tells me he's ready for baby rice so I'm going with it, its not like our nights are worse since I started it (they've been bad a while!)! In fact doing 1140-now in cot is a marvel we've not had in a while!

Wonder if he will go back in now???! X

BrainGoneAwol Thu 31-Jan-13 03:37:53

Babybrain just slept through till 3 so just had 3 hours sleep. Think I must be in the middle of a cycle as I'm mostly asleep still.

Wishing all you up people happy trsnsfers, and all you down people continued sleep. Attempting transfer, hopefully I won't be back for a while.

LookAtHerGo Thu 31-Jan-13 03:49:56

Thanks amey. My dd was the same, fed loads at night, I got v fed up with hearing about how she should be sleeping at night, maybe she 'should' but she didn't until 11 months! Lots of babies are the same

Twins. Double the transfer fail potential! One down one to go!

funchum8am Thu 31-Jan-13 03:53:00

Another bad night here, first fees at 12:30 and up every hour since. she just cannot settle to sleep without sucking, but dummy no use as she wakes when it falls out, so have been giving boob but now that has failed and she is thrashing about with wind and has woken fully, even though she is tired sad

Have read some of ncss - looks really good and is clear that this needing to suck thing is really common but isn't that clear on how to fix it. Will read again when fully functioning.

sorry for me me me post, am feeling very sorry for myself! About to put white noise app on and see if that calms her.

sleepy dust to all!

larlemucker Thu 31-Jan-13 04:07:36

Evening all, first feed here. Looks like just a little one.
Cakes on their way! Dh used to be a pastry chef, he loves baking but not bothered about eating the stuff he bakes, not good for me!
look sorry to hear you're having problems, have you tried the breast feeding support network? Lots of mus on the end of the phone. I'll look for the number and post it tomorrow for you.
Good luck with transfers (sprinkles sleepy dust over everyone)

Just done second feed, she went from 1am to 5am. Dd1 was up at 4am so I ended up in her bed and fell asleep for an hour there. Sorry to hear of bad nights. Dd1 has a little winnie the pooh clock and since I put that in their room stitch has slept better. Wondering whether the ticking is acting like white noise. Got to remember to put batteries in stitch's lionheart bear, she likes the waves setting.

BrainGoneAwol Thu 31-Jan-13 06:30:05

look out of interest, how do you manage the feed and transfer? Doesn't one wake the other when you are feedingputting down? <thinks one is hard enough!>

larle a pastry chef... Good planning!

stitch glad you got more from baby stitch. Maybe the ticking helps. Now to get dd1 to not wake so either!

Hopefully back to bed for a bit for me. Babybrain is very wriggle so not overly hopeful.

larlemucker Thu 31-Jan-13 06:50:56

Second attempt at second feed after transfer fail.
brain great idea as I love cakes, unfortunately not good for my waist line or the bank account which is why he is an ex-pastry chef! (Where we live cheffing is crap money and very long hours)

Ameybee Thu 31-Jan-13 07:04:23

Funch - did your night get any better?? Every hour sad you poor thing.

I can report no co-sleeping! Success! He went from 830pm-1130 in cot then had bottle then woke at 3 then now! Didn't really have to ssh pat, just laid him down with his snuggly and put ewan on! Feels good! Although could happily have another hour now if he concurs! X

BrainGoneAwol Thu 31-Jan-13 08:51:38

larle perhaps there is a market for late night takeaway delivery cakes for mners?!

Congrats amey hope it continues.

Happily I think we've had the end of serious biting for a while. It's still there a bit but nothing like how it was. Such a relief!

funchum8am Thu 31-Jan-13 09:20:24

I was up 3-4.15 due to multiple transfer fails, then she finally slept another hour and DH got up with her ay 5:15. He brought her back up at 6:30 as she had taken 1oz of a bottle but was crying and rooting so clearly after some boob, but I managed to get her to take a bit more bottle instead. Then she slept 7-7.20 then came in with me and fed while I dozed til 9. She is little milk bomb waiting to explode! So I have had bits more sleep but no decent stretch. Sadly that is a completely typical night for us . Am definitely getting going with ncss ideas today!

Girls' weekend coming up and that is keeping me going!

MrsNPattz Thu 31-Jan-13 11:05:09

Not a bad night for us, he woke me again at 6:15 crying in his sleep but Ewan settled him and we slept until 8. Just been for a walk and popping to my friends this afternoon!

That's great Amey!

funchum8am Thu 31-Jan-13 17:28:25

amey have you started ncss yet? I am keen to hear which bits anyone has tried. it is the baby book I most prefer the tone of so far, need to really seriously put it into practice now!

Ameybee Thu 31-Jan-13 19:52:39

I've just started the sleep log funch, although last night id decided I wasn't co sleeping anyway (but as it turned out we had no transfer fails anyway!) I've given him a snuggle blanket for naps/bedtime like she says & he went to sleep by himself with it yesterday! I did the thing to lengthen naps yesterday too - Apart from that haven't got much further! X

MissingMyMarbles Thu 31-Jan-13 20:34:12

Sooo tired! After a better night the night before, we were back to two hourly feeding last night. Today has been a tiredness induced struggle. Missmarbles slept for 20 mins this morning and 40 this afternoon, but it was on me this afty so I couldn't sleep. My head is throbbing as a result. DH is at a meeting tonight so I am just climbing into bed with a cup of tea and a digestive. Sorry not to name check, just so sleepy. I hope we all get good sleeps tonight.

funchum8am Thu 31-Jan-13 20:45:52

amey I am slicing off to a girls' weekend tomorrow night to Sunday but Monday I will start sleep log could just use my moans on this thread actually and get on the case! I moved bedtime back to 7 from 8:30 as it feels cruel to keep her awake when she is so tired in the step is tackle the feeding to sleep issue.

funchum8am Thu 31-Jan-13 20:46:59

am skiving off rather than slicing!

and best of luck amey with ncss strategies and everyone else, have lovely restful to bed now grin

MissingMyMarbles Thu 31-Jan-13 22:18:36

First feed. Still not been asleep as DD1 still not 100%, so been busy with her. Missmarbles didn't root right away when she woke, and fell straight back to sleep when I picked her up but 3 TF's resulted in a feed. It feels like she's taking a moderate amount so hopefully she will settle for a good stretch.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Thu 31-Jan-13 23:48:27

Just off up to bed now, had an amazing night so far but doubtless me saying that will have jinxed it from now on! Put her down in bedside crib at just after 7, fed but very awake, arms and legs going like the clappers. I was really late for my Thursday night slimming group so told DH to just rock her if needed for a bit as its only two minutes from home, I was only out 20 minutes but came back and she was sparko shock

Had a few grumbles since but nothing requiring any action. I know now I'm going to bed that amazing sensor they seem to have will wake her as soon as I close my eyes! <fingers crossed I'm wrong>

marbles hope dd1 is better soon.

goat how are your legs today? I'm in so much pain! At least it means I worked out properly but oh my gosh I can barely walk!

funch when does your girly weekend start, tomorrow? Hope you have a fabulous time smile

Night all xx

Enjoy your weekend funch smile

Well done to babybee for sleeping in your cot. Glad you are feeling better Amey.

How did it go with the midwife look?

What a lot of cake larle!

Good to hear you are feeling more positive MrsN.

Sorry not to name check everyone, hope you are all okay.

Stitch has just gone to sleep for the first time tonight, as the builders woke her by drilling during her nap, so she ended up having another sleep late afternoon which has messed up her pattern. My typing arm is going to sleep.under her, time for transfer

LookAtHerGo Fri 01-Feb-13 01:32:28

stitch thanks, mw was good, still undecided about what best course of action is as we're on about 50% success with feeding directly from the boob, twin 1 is much better, but then it gets to nighttime and they both go kapput! And it's then when it's hardest for me too after being up all day. Just done bottles and expressing again. Not sure if just doing bottles is an option, means more work and expressing almost as often as I feed. I'm v confused now and just trying to get through each feed.

My poor DP he's had me blubbing on Wednesday night, helped loads last night and has only just got off to sleep after settling my dd, I on the other hand was asleep and he could hardly wake me!

funchum8am Fri 01-Feb-13 01:35:30

Hmm third waking here and just feeding to attempt to get rid of her hiccups. She woke at 11:30 and 12:45 and 1:20....surely she can't wake so often all night? I have a lovely honking cough which isn't helping my mood sad

heff I see the buggyfit class was just as tough as when I did it!! Girly weekend starts when DH gets home from work and I can take my lovely little car instead of the boring grey familymobile and hit the road! We are off to the Cotswolds. Really can't wait to catch up and of course get some unbroken sleep!

I hope babylump has her radar switched off tonight!

marbles I hope dd1 is ok

funchum8am Fri 01-Feb-13 01:40:00

look I expressed every feed for 24 hours a while back to get babyfunch really solidly used to taking a bottle and it was quite hard work...tbh it wasn't so much the expressing as the constant washing and sterilising the damn kit. Do you have a really good pump? There is a thread for people who have done 100% ebm but I can't link on my phone - if you search in breast and bottle feeding you should find it. It was Dec or Jan when it started.

So much cake has landed in my absence! Larle we love you...

heff you should have just seen me hobble downstairs for Kid's bottle! An arthritic 97 year old would have beaten me to it.

look I don't have any suggestions but you have my absolute sympathy. Kid had real problems with the suck reflex and we ended up doing a mix of bf and expressing for 16 weeks. It is really really hard work. Do look after yourself as we'll as the boys.

funch have a wonderful weekend! smile

Sorry not to name check everyone else. Kid has now finished so transfer time...

As WELL as. Why does the iPhone have such an obsession with apostrophes??

MrsNPattz Fri 01-Feb-13 02:39:58

First feed here!

Hubby is off on a stag weekend to London in the morningsadso it's just me and little man this weekend. When I was feeling crap I asked mum if she would come up but she is away too, so I'm glad I'm feeling better!

I hope you have a great weekend Funch, what are your plans while you are there?

Look I hope things improve for you!

BrainGoneAwol Fri 01-Feb-13 03:05:53

look you're doing an amazing job! If us with only one have crying meltdowns I certainly have then you are absolutely entitled to!

mrsn first feed... Hope the good start continues and that w/e goes well on your own.

funch have a great w/e. Sounds fab.

goat I hate how aggressively Samsung does word 'correction'. It insists on capitalising 'will' as if it were short for William every single time argh! Plus tries to change things to American spelling. It's 50:50 whether it actually saves me time.

After some weird early frequent waking, babybrain has just eaten loads so hoping for a nice long gap before he's up again ha, right

Ameybee Fri 01-Feb-13 03:13:29

Not such a good night here, gave in and co slept last 2 hours hmm I was knackered & had banging headache!

Just giving a bottle now & hoping he will go in cot till morning very much doubt.

Virtual hugs luck - you are doing amazing! X

LookAtHerGo Fri 01-Feb-13 05:10:21

Funchum thanks, I've looked but can't find the thread at the moment I'll look in the day, unless you know what it's called. I've hired a hosp pump, because I was expressing in hosp and knew I'd need to continue for a while we made the decision to hire one, £45 a month but so much better than the Avent one I used for the first 3 days at home!

Thanks goat, yes bloody apostrophes everywhere except where they're needed. Did you carry on bf after 16 weeks?

Thanks mrsn and brain.

I tried to bf them both but twin 1 ended up nipple hanging and twin 2 was on a nipple shield and kept slipping. So I've been up since 3:30 feeding, if they bf if be done by now, if I'd just done bottles straight away I'd be done by now even with expressing. As it is I tried feeding for 30 mins, then did bottles now I'm pumping. I'm in the worst of all worlds. Don't know whether to just do bottles at night, but I'd still need to pump in the day, and I'm not sure I can do it all. Buggeration.

Smallgreenone Fri 01-Feb-13 06:00:30

look you are amazing! I would definitely do bottles at night and then maybe your oh could feed them whilst you pumped? I honestly don't know how you do it.
Baby small up two hourly. Feel like I've not slept. Am desperate for it motto be up time but I think he has other ideas. How can this be normal for a ff baby of over 5 months? <sigh>

BrainGoneAwol Fri 01-Feb-13 07:09:05

small it's so depressing when you feel you've gone back to newborn hours! Babybrain seems to be falling back into 3-4 hourly now that his tooth has settled down. So miraculously I got another block of 3.5 hours.

I was reading somewhere (another thread on mn I expect) that the nhs offer sleep counselling if your baby isn't sleeping through at 6 months. Do any of you know anything about this?

Smallgreenone Fri 01-Feb-13 07:33:20

Glad baby brains tooth has settled for you. You're right it, is depressing. NHS sleep counselling- no not heard of it unfortunately but if its on offer I want it! When he gets to 6 months I expect miracles! All the sleep sites I've looked at say that from 6 months a baby really should be able to sleep through etc so if we're still here after that 6 month hurdle I'm going to bite the bullet and spend the money. Just so fed up of being tired and going to bed early and missing time with DH. Hope others have had good nights.

LookAtHerGo Fri 01-Feb-13 07:52:05

Thanks smallgreen. I'm quite happy to pump after feeding I can do both their bottles at the same time and it takes 15 mins. Pumping is quite a speedy job with my big yellow machine. To give him his due he would do a feed if I ask him to, he does do 'the big one' with me at midnightish and he's been dealing with dd if needed in the night.

Re sleep counselling, my dd (16 1/2 months) didn't sleep through until 11 months, all the books say they should or at least half do or some such, she just took longer.

Hope everyone has a good day today.

MrsNPattz Fri 01-Feb-13 08:42:53

Getting ready for our class here, he woke at half 7 so not a bad night.

That's hubby gone too - we didn't see him. I feel sad now sad how pathetic - he will be back on Sunday night!!

ChilliBanana Fri 01-Feb-13 08:48:42

I would be happy for one or two wakings at 6months!

Baby chilli is full of cold and having such trouble breathing, yet slept for longer stretches than he has for a few nights. It makes me laugh that I now think 3hours is a long stretch though grin

Apologies for not name checking, I see some bad nights were had, brew all round and a virtual bacon butty if anyone fancies it.

Ameybee Fri 01-Feb-13 10:22:01

I hear you small! And feel the same! Think I could accept shorter stretches if I was still bf but you would think on formula it would be different! DD was completly different on formula & a much better sleeper!

Just keep the faith, it will happen she says hopefully!

I'm finding weaning is making him a little more settled HV horrified I'm doing it he seems to really like his creamy baby porridge.

Nap dust to anyone trying to catch a few zzz's today! Xx

Look we didn't make it past sixteen weeks. Because Kid was such a slow feeder (average 30 ml per hour) the mix of bf, bottle, express meant that I wasn't sleeping - and his suck wasn't good enough to keep my supply up himself... So the lack of sleep won in the end! I am so in awe of what you are doing. (Ps Kid is now making up for lost time as hard and fast as he can go. He's a right lump now!)

small I am convinced that the idea that ff babies sleep better/go longer between feeds is a myth! Or more to the point, Kid is convinced hmm We had a couple of weeks when that happened and I thought hurrah, we are finally reaping the advantages of ff! But no. He has decided that feeding every two to three hours at night is definitely the way to go. Honestly, without the feeding and sleeping business, this parenting lark would be a doddle! confused

This post has taken forever. But Kid is finally down for his morning nap. Yay! I got a shower!

funchum8am Fri 01-Feb-13 10:42:56

Morning all, last night for worse before it got better, she woke at about 1:45 and 2:20 so I gave calpol thinking she might have earache as she was grabbing her left ear a lot....result was merely a return to hourly waking. Then up 3:30-4:40 having fed her til she couldn't take any more and refused but was still wide awake, tried shush pat, holding, rocking joy. So I put her back in the cot and went into our room to say to DH that I didn't know what to do but let her cry, which she did for ONE minute and then fell asleep again!! Does that even count as cc?? Am I a bad parent or not?!

Anyway she only slept 4:40-5:45 but it was bliss, she is usually up at 5. I am seriously tempted to let her cry a few minutes at night wakings where I know she isn't hungry because it does actually send her off to sleep within minutes...but I don't agree with this practice...totally perplexed really.

brew To all who have had bad nights.

Look I am off to hunt for that expressing thread now...

Small - sympathy....

Mrsn I am skiving off to the Cotswolds and we have hired a self catering place between I think 12 of us. Pizza and wine at home tonight then walking/shopping tomorrow and a meal out. And some SLEEP!!!

funchum8am Fri 01-Feb-13 10:45:52

Here you go Look, hope it helps. Certainly shows you are not alone!

If the link doesn't work it is a thread started on 12 jan by user spice17 in breast and bottle feeding.

MrsNPattz Fri 01-Feb-13 12:55:44

I felt really sorry for one of the mum's at baby group, she had been awake since 12 and is having awful trouble like this with her little one most nights (he was born 3 days before little man, so 4.5 months). Her hv has suggested she try dairy free formula as he has awful tummy trouble. I hope it works for her. I might mention this thread to her next week, at least she would have some company. She just seemed really down and fed up sad

MissingMyMarbles Fri 01-Feb-13 14:32:31

" I am seriously tempted to let her cry a few minutes at night wakings where I know she isn't hungry because it does actually send her off to sleep within minutes...but I don't agree with this practice...totally perplexed really."
This is me!!!
I am praying that she will sleep through by the time I go back to work. It's making me really upset just thinking about her crying and looking for me. She got really upset at crèche at church the first time I put her in (Sunday gone) and I am panicking as to how she will be at nursery. I have a training day on Tuesday: thank God my mum is coming down because DH is a bit hopeless when she cries, bless him, he thinks that I can solve all with my wonder function boobs
Sorry for self indulgent post. I think I must be exhausted as I am actually in tears over this, and I don't cry readily.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Fri 01-Feb-13 15:00:45

marbles sending you a big hug, and letting you know you're not alone with seemingly "wonder function boobs". DH thinks boob is the answer to everything therefore if she cries he absolutely definitely must give her straight back to me as there's nothing at all he can do because he doesn't have boobs hmm

We had a really good night at last, she woke at 2 and 6. At the 6 o clck feed I didn't feel too good and by 7 I could feel a migraine coming sad Thank goodness for DM who has today off and came up, took the girls and sent me back to bed. Just up now feeling lots better but just delicate, babylump had had some ebm while I was asleep but still devoured a proper boob feed like it was going out of fashion.

Had such a nice day planned today as well sad

mrsn I'll keep you company this weekend, DH is off to Cornwall tonight for his job interview and won't be home until Sunday night.

funchum8am Fri 01-Feb-13 16:09:06

marbles I am in tears fairly regularly too and it is also very unusual for me. Maybe we should move in together and do shifts!

DH has taken it as a matter of urgency to get over his belief that boobs fix all as he takes over daycare in less than four weeks, but still brings her back to me every morning when she takes 1oz from him and then cries for boob. But he is trying and I am grateful. He has 2 days and nights to try his own methods this weekend. I am now feeling a bit guilty about going away but tbh if I hadn't had it lined up I might have cracked up by now. She is pretty cranky today so I am worried she may be coming down with my cold, but no symptoms yet so may just be a fussy phase sad . Hope she is better for DH! She does adore her daddy and he spends most of the weekend with her while I sleep anyway so hopefully will be ok.

MrsNPattz Fri 01-Feb-13 17:29:26

Yey for company Heff! We are managing ok so far, had an early bath and are both in our Pyjamas grin was going to get my tea ready but little man decided he wanted his! So just catching up on one born every minute while he tucks in!

Sorry you are struggling Marbles and Funch! You definitely deserve the break Funch!! Have a great time xx

Smallgreenone Fri 01-Feb-13 18:23:44

Cotswold break sounds lovely funch. Hope you're migraine has gone heff
I'm a bit down today- family stuff. I think my mum is deeply unhappy and I feel so sad for her. I wish I lived closer and could see her more. It's all complicated but I think it's a mixture of loneliness (workaholic father totally ignores her), guilt (finds looking after 94 year old grandpa very hard), lack of self worth (never worked and now all her children have gone feels redundant). She said today her dogs are the only reason she gets out of bed and I feel so awful that she feels that way. In some ways she lives the easiest of lives that most people would love to have and in other ways she has the hardest time. I'm sure shed be happier separated from my dad but I know she won't even consider it.
On a better note, baby small has gone into his cot awake and I have not heard a peep from him, not even a grumpy grizzle. smile

MissingMyMarbles Fri 01-Feb-13 19:17:50

sad Small, family stuff is hard when you're a distance away. Is it you who has family in County Durham? Good work baby Smallsmile

Thanks Heff and Funch.

Hope your migraine has done one, Heff. Horrid things.

Enjoy your weekend, Funch.

sad for your friend, MrsN. Tbh I don't actually know of that many babies who were sleeping through by 6 months, let alone earlier. I wonder who thisajoritu is that they base these books that make you feel like you must be doing something wrong or your baby is not normal on?

Amey and Goat, Missmarbles will have to take a bottle of formula for the late feed when I go back to work, but I am reassured that it isn't a cure all that I should have done ages ago, although to some extent, I'm sorry that it isn't confused

Finishing bedtime feed. Tonight will be better......

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Fri 01-Feb-13 19:34:20

Last feed before bed here. DH is playing with dd1 who really should be in bed by now but I think he's really going to miss her this weekend as they always go out for breakfast just the two of them one weekend morning and he won't get to see her now for a couple of days since I decided I didn't want her to go with him this time.

Migraine thankfully didn't last all day, my wonderful mum had the girls until I got up at half 2 feeling better bit just a bit bruised. We went to se my grandad at 5ish, had a couple of glasses of champagne and now feeling much better smile

mrsn such a shame we're not closer to each other, a pj party would have taken both our minds off being on our own this weekend! smile

small so sorry your DM is having a difficult time, its so hard watching those we love suffer xx

funch have a fantastic well earned break this weekend.

MissingMyMarbles Fri 01-Feb-13 20:42:48

Dies anyone else's baby gets so excited that they bang their fists/arms in the high chair tray???? Missmarbles has given herself bruises shocksadshock

LookAtHerGo Fri 01-Feb-13 20:42:54

Thanks for the link funchum smile mixed responses, some dud it easily for a long time others not for as long.

I've pumped every 2 - 2 1/2 hrs today, I've just about kept up with the amount they've had to drink, but I'm hoping a day or two of hard pumping will boost supply and I'll have excess. Kind of like a fake growth spurt.

Going to try and get some 'decent' sleep tonight. Got a trip to visit friends and relatives tomorrow/Sunday, the boys first trip away.

Sorry for not name checking.

MissingMyMarbles Fri 01-Feb-13 20:43:54

Does not dies
on not in the high chair

MrsNPattz Fri 01-Feb-13 20:45:28

I know Heff it's rubbish that we live so far away - I really think we could be friends smile same goes to all of you actually thanks

Small, your poor mum! Do you have plans to see them at all?

Going to attempt transfer soon, I may be back...........

Ameybee Fri 01-Feb-13 21:32:37

Ah small, that's sad. Could she come stay with you occasionally and help with baby small maybe?

I'm just cuddling a sleepy DS, think he's hungry so DH making a bottle! Hope he sleeps tonight! X

larlemucker Fri 01-Feb-13 21:50:10

Evening, phone battery dead last night so couldn't post.
Sorry no name checking, we're off to bed as the travel cot has arrived so tonight is Arthur's first night in his new bed, wish us luck!

That must be hard small sad Are any of your siblings closer?

Marbles, Stitch does that, but has never managed to give herself bruises, missmarbles must be doing it with quite some force!

Glad you are feeling better after your migraine Heff, it must have been the bubbles that helped.

Good to hear baby brain is sleeping more Brains.

Yay for showers Goat. I can never get time in the day as Stitch has one long nap and during that time I try to give dd1 my attention and get some of the cleaning done.

Look have you thought about herbal ways to increase supply, Kellymom article here.

That sounds a lovely idea for your friend MrsN, she must be so tired.

Stitch and dd1 both sleeping peacefully. DH had a day off today so I got a lie in until 8.30pm, bliss. Have been having weird cramps and nausea today. I am hoping it is my period about to make a reappearance, been cramping on and off all week. I have bought a pregnancy test just in case. Will be POAS in the morning, always wanted three kids, timing could be better though if I am, but que sera sera.

Smallgreenone Fri 01-Feb-13 22:28:16

Wow stitch another one already?! You are brave!
My brothers aren't close to home either. Mum would love to come up and stay but she can't leave my grandpa as he lives with my parents after my grandma passed away last year. It's hard for him too as he's unhappy, lost his lifelong friend, list his independence, uprooted away from his home for 50 years to live with my parents. It's just hard for everyone. I'm going home not next week, week after so hopefully baby small will cheer them all up. He's already been up for a feed once tonight I'm hitting the hay now hoping for a couple of hours.
Releasing sleepy mice

MissingMyMarbles Fri 01-Feb-13 22:42:42

DH has the noisiest sleeping bag in the universeangry!!! I have just spent the last however long trying to get in it (he's not in it!!) without waking Missmarbles. I am going to try shush patting overnight and am therefore sleeping in her room. So far so good, as she didn't need feeding to sleep with the 30 minute intruder earlier. She's had first feed at 10.10 so I am going to try not to feed before 3 as she has done five hours recently, so not beyond the realms positive thinking, positive thinking She is very tired tonight which I hope goes in our favour.

Exciting times Stitch!wink I do want more but I would honestly die if I thought I might be right now grin

Hope everyone has a good night.

BrainGoneAwol Sat 02-Feb-13 01:12:49

stitch that would be exciting! We are thinking of trying for the next one in a year and even that doesn't feel that far away.

small so sorry about your DM. It's so hard when there is caring involved as well. My mum nursed my dad for a while until he died a few years ago (he was 77 and gradually became immobile plus had dementia so it was like looking after some on much older) and it really took it out of her. What's the WI like near your DM? I'm quite jealous of my mum's, they do loads of fun stuff.
What would her dad think of an independent carer taking him out for the day so your mum can get a break?

marbles hope the positive thinking works. Loud bedclothes/sleeping bags are a nightmare. The bed whenwe visit my mum rustles loads and I always worry about waking babybrain. It takes me 10 mins just to s-l-o-w-l-y get back into bed!

DP had the work Christmas do this evening (?!) so I had a lovely 9.30pm bedtime! I've already had 3 hours sleep and there's still most of the night to go! Attempting transfer so as not to waste it by sitting here whittering Hope you all have sleepy babies.

larlemucker Sat 02-Feb-13 01:57:12

Baby larle has had 3 hours in his own bed, yay! Not only that but he woke up when we first put him down so tried the white noise app, took about half an hour but he went back to sleep without crying, another success!
First feed here so fingers crossed for transfer!
stitch Good luck, hope you get the result you want. Impressed you have the time and energy to get pg!

larlemucker Sat 02-Feb-13 02:05:11

Over 100 posts already!!!

LookAtHerGo Sat 02-Feb-13 02:49:15

Stitch, if this mega pumping doesn't boost supply then yes I will look at herbal stuff, I know I'd have enough if I was bf directly, just pumping not quite emptying boobs enough yet, I'm hoping they respond to my fake growth spurt, to be fair it's pretty much as the boys have been today anyway, they've fed LOADS. How old are your dc?

I've had an hours sleep so far. yawns just a quick pump then hopefully to sleep I shall go.

MissingMyMarbles Sat 02-Feb-13 03:12:01

The only improvement is the speed I can get to hersad
Ended up feeding at midnight and now. 2 1/2 hours. Tried shush patting but tbh she woke up more than if I'd gone straight to feeding. Also she is taking loads do its not like she's just waking for a comfort suck. At lest she is still successfully transferring despite the racket made by the sleeping bag.

larlemucker Sat 02-Feb-13 03:33:05

Transfer fail. Looks like we might have to get used to the sound of the wind and the waves as baby larle woke up when I turned the tv off (watched the end of silent witness)
look good luck with the pumping, hope you get some more sleep soon

MrsNPattz Sat 02-Feb-13 04:00:02

First feed here!

Wow Stitch - please let us know how you get on!! How old is your little one again?

Glad you have plans to see them Small, hopefully it will help!

Has taken me ages to write this as hubby phoned, and little man is wide awake!! hmm In cot with Ewan on at the moment - he has been fed and changed so it would be lovely if he just fell asleep!!

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Sat 02-Feb-13 04:28:50

Its not been a great start to our weekend without DH. Babylump up since 3 refusing to settle back in crib and dd1 up at 4 wanting to join the fun. Sat up in bed now feeding for millionth time and dd1 draped across my legs complete with about a hundred teddies. So tired sad

Wow stich how exciting, do you think you could be then? I want a third but not until dd1 is at school, another one now might finish me off!

Second feed here, plus a poo! It is one thing changing exclusively breastfed baby pooey nappy at 4am, but three meals a day baby poo is qn entirely different matter <peg on nose emoticon>

To answer those who asked dd1 is 3.5 and will be in school from September, Stitch is 11 months old. Not a planned pregnancy if I am, haven't had my first period since Stitch was born yet and have been using bc, but cramping, nausea and sore boobs can mean pre-menstrual and pregnant so there is an outside chance I could be.

Transfer failed, feeding again,.Stitch wide awake.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Sat 02-Feb-13 05:37:43

Up again sad

I was beginning to hope the really bad nights were behind us at last after the last few good ones, but no such luck we've been on 45 minute wakings since about 2ish. Dd1 is finally asleep again but babylump is waking up on almost every transfer.

LookAtHerGo Sat 02-Feb-13 05:53:27

Hello again.

Pumping take 3 or something like that. DP helped with this bottle, he's settling the boys so I can hopefully just 'jump' back into bed.

Glad to hear the sleeping bag isn't disturbing marbles.

Oh yes stitch, proper food poos are not fun in the night, fortunately DD hasn't really done that too much (famous last words)

Someone asked yesterday or the day before about the boys waking each other up, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. If its feed time they generally start stirring at the same time anyway as I've kept feeds at the same time, but if one is asleep earlier after a feed and I put the other one down and he cries it usually doesn't affect the other one smile phew I say.

Ok that feed, nappy change, transfer fail, feed has taken two hours nearly. Now for second transfer attempt.

Not easy with two sometimes is it Heff and what is it with the teddies?! Dd1 always takes a small army into every room. They have more room in our bed and on our sofa than we do.

Four feeds. Two nappy changes, one explosive. Three shush pat attempts, two of which were successful.
Is now asleep on my lap. So I can't sleep.
Fellow feeling to those having bad nights. Will read properly later when both eyes open.

larlemucker Sat 02-Feb-13 06:57:11

Sorry you're all having bad nights, we've had quite a good one for his first night in a new bed that stinks of plastic newness!
Had that one transfer fail, second attempt he was noisy and I could hear his arms flinging about but no crying so Dh made me leave him and he fell asleep. Now up for second feed!

Starting to get to the point now where I could see myself having another one but it won't be for a while we can't afford two in nursery. Couldn't do 3 though, that would mean new house and new car etc!

BrainGoneAwol Sat 02-Feb-13 07:04:23

heff sorry the nights seem to be deteriorating again. Hopefully the bad is now the blip.

look hope pumping works. I've heard fennel can increase your supply?

Babybrain will be starting solids soon, so smelly poo is something still to come. Lovely. We had one of his best nights - bed at 8.00-9.30, feed at 12.30-1.30 and woke me at 6.15 with loud chatting to himself. Didn't cry til 6.45 so DP and I just lay in bed listening to him being cute. Must record it one day. grin
Fortunately he's doing a massive feed, else I think my left boob would explode shock

lamprey42 Sat 02-Feb-13 08:16:47

Hi all. Lack of sleep obviously making me slow - only just worked out what this thread is about. DTs are 12 weeks now and still feeding every 3/4 hours (if I'm lucky!). Will dig back through the old thread marbles but did you get the transfer sorted? I share you pain! Been accidentely co-sleeping as I fall asleep feeding them on v pillow and if I do wake up and try and move them they usually wake. Have fooled them on bedtime feed by putting hot water bottle in the bedside cot but can't be bothered to refill in middle of night. Consequently getting very good at sleeping sitting up!

Loup23 Sat 02-Feb-13 08:28:05

Just marking thread as lost you all at part 6 confused will catch upon thread now and post/namecheck later.

amey how old is dc? Just saw you'd moved to rice ad me unimpressed, I have also started rice, DD is 20 weeks and it feels right, she loves it but not sure if too soon....

Okay so I just POAS, waiting three minutes now. <bites nails nervously>

LookAtHerGo Sat 02-Feb-13 08:47:24

Hope you're ok with either result stitch only seeing the answer will let you know that

larlemucker Sat 02-Feb-13 09:01:37

So are we stitch! What's the result?

DH checked the result.

I am not pregnant, very relieved and slightly disappointed at the same time. DH is quite disappointed too, but it is the best thing for our family right now.

MrsNPattz Sat 02-Feb-13 09:26:12

Morning, we got up at about 8 and I had a quick shower while little man watched cartoons bad mummy

I have the food shop coming this morning,then off out with SIL, niece and MIL for lunch and windowshopping.

Sorry for the bad nights! Little am was up for over an hour when I last posted - it's exhausting. But at least it's only the once I guess.

thanks For your negative Stitch - will you start trying at some point? I would love a second when this one is at school!

Tooodlepip Sat 02-Feb-13 10:18:39


just marking my place on the new thread. I had posted a big long post yesterday on my iphone name checking and everything and the mumsnet app whooshed it away hmm

hats off to you stitch for possible poas moment

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Sat 02-Feb-13 11:38:56

Oh stitch thanks for bfn, its funny how even if you're not trying, and like you said even if not the best thing right now, a negative result can still disappoint you. Will you ttc again soon or wait a while? (sorry if too personal a question) I'm sort of hoping dc3 might happen by 'accident' so I don't have to worry about the timing!

Army of teddies is a very accurate description, we have teddy barracks in almost every room. She has her two favourites that come everywhere, they must be the sergeants, and a platoon of foot solidiers to provide extra back up when needed. grin

Definitely not planning to ttc anytime soon. Post c section they always advise waiting 18 months minimum before ttc. I like you Heff am kind of hoping it will just happen as then I don't have to worry about picking the best time!

funchum8am Sat 02-Feb-13 18:11:22

Hi ladies, just checking in to show solidarity on my weekend away! Sorry to hear of bad nights. I can recommend a bit of time off if you can get it! Stayed up far too late last night and had terrible hangover this morning but thankfully it went after a nap.

stitch hope you are ok after pg test experience!

heff I fear that babyfunch already has a massive soft toy army of gifts from her birth...maybe I should hide them all so she never develops the urge to start taking them everywhere! Lol at the sergeants and barracks!

Smallgreenone Sat 02-Feb-13 18:23:49

thanks for you stitch. And thanks for saying about the 18 months c section rule, no one told me that, not that we will be ttc that soon I don't think but it's good to know.
Baby small is having a bad few nights and I'm too tired to post usually. He is asleep for now though so off downstairs for some mulled cider and a nag at DH who is drunk and annoying after being out at the football all day angry

Ameybee Sat 02-Feb-13 19:00:31

Aww stitch, can understand the disapointment/ relief thing! I'm wondering if we will have no 3 or not now, DH isn't so keen anymore! I'd be really sad if I didn't think I would go through it all once more in a way but we will see!

We have been to a 1st birthday party today! Had a lovely time & DD+DS were very well behaved!

Been invited out with work to nandos on Wednesday - I know it sounds stupid but I feel so fat I don't want to go hmm x

MrsNPattz Sat 02-Feb-13 21:11:38

Attempting bedtime here - hoping for a successful transfer then I will be joining him! He looks sooooo cute when he is sleeping smile sometimes I can't believe he's mine!

Hope there are some good nights tonight - myself included!

Loup23 Sat 02-Feb-13 22:07:27

Stitch how old is baby stitch now? I keep thinking about DC2 especially as DH said he didn't want another, I was so disappointed. Hope you get a bfp as and when you want one!

We're off the boob and did a gradual (ish) reduction but now have a very lumpy left boob, do not want to express but am wondering should I to avoid any blockage?

Hideous evening with baby loup so far, she normally goes down at 630-7 without fail, took nearly 3 hours tonight and three transfers finally asleep and I've got the wine open.... Expecting a hideous night. Hope babies are all sleeping well wink

First feed after bedtime feed, Stitch has been feeding for half an hour so far.

DH just came in with tea and said "she's just feeding for comfort". She was still fully feeding, so I said "are you going to take her then? because if I take her off she will scream". He took her, she cried and he handed her back again. There are just some times that a mummy knows best! grin

Loup Stitch is 11 months old.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Sat 02-Feb-13 22:41:54

Evening, how has everyone's day been?

Got both girls to bed at reasonable 7.30, tasty curry for dinner and a bit of midsomer murders indulgence with DM before coming to bed 20 minutes ago when of course babylump woke up as soon as my head hit the pillow hmm feeding now she seems to have dropped off but the truth will be in the transfer.

Welcome new posters, wow we've got two sets of DTs on here now smile

mrsn how is your weekend going without DH? Today for us has been good we spent it with DM, went to the park and into town. Tomorrow we're on our own so thinking we might feed the ducks and maybe attempt a bit of cooking (picked up a really simple cereal bar recipe in Waitrose that looks great for DCs... Could be a disaster though!) before collapsing in a heap and waiting for DH to get home in the evening.

We've got to wait until the end of next week to find out about DH's job, there's still people to be interviewed but I wish it wasn't such a long wait. Really want him to get it.

amey would you enjoy yourself once there? If so then go and maybe just order a lighter option if that would help, but don't make yourself go if you won't be happy anyway.

funch hope your girls weekend is going fabulously grin

Ok here goes, transfer imminent...

Loup23 Sat 02-Feb-13 22:43:59

Totally agree stitch - DH often eats his words wink

Off to bed now, baby loup is still down and out and we've dropped dream feed as it made no difference to waking...

See you all in a few hours no doubt, night x

BrainGoneAwol Sun 03-Feb-13 00:52:37

Ha ha, stitch so true!

mrsn hope your weekend is going ok. I DP hasn't left me overnight with DS so far only rolled in late from work outings and while doing things like supper are harder, I have quite liked doing bedtime along blush

heff that's so hard to have to wait. Hope he gets it...

Welcome lamprey hope the DTs have settled for you.

Sorry to people I've missed. So many on here these days.

Went to see the iLs sat afternoon. Babybrain was on his best behaviour and was cute as anything smile
Transfer time... Wishing good sleeps to you all.

MissingMyMarbles Sun 03-Feb-13 02:12:25

Second feed!! This is good! The first was 10.30 with x1 transfer fail. Longest stretch we've had in ages <desperately hoes this us progress not a blip>

BrainGoneAwol Sun 03-Feb-13 02:54:57

Third feed sad. It's so frustrating! Yesterday babybrain slept 9.30-12.30, 1.30-6.00 (yay!) Now he's just done 9.30-12.00, 1.00-2.45. What am I missing?! I know he can do it...

larlemucker Sun 03-Feb-13 02:55:51

Evening, first feed here. Baby larle slept in travel cot again (so far) tonight!
amey going out might do you good, bit of adult conversation! Plus nandos is really nice (and I'm jealous as we don't half one anywhere near us!)
Welcome lamprey.
Sorry not to namecheck everyone but baby larle asleep so going to attempt transfer!
Sleepy dust to all

BrainGoneAwol Sun 03-Feb-13 03:50:08

Failed. Been trying stretches and happy change, but now babybrain wants to chat hmm

Hoping this feed works.

Glad the travel cot is going down well larle. We have just got one for a planned holiday in Devon at the end of Feb. Hope it's as successful for us smile

larlemucker Sun 03-Feb-13 03:59:30

Transfer fail.
brain we have a graco, pretty easy to put up but the mattress is quite hard, I bought a separate one but he slept on the hard one last night.
Fingers crossed for transfer no2!

Smallgreenone Sun 03-Feb-13 04:05:01

First feed since 9.30! He did wake at 2 but I refused to feed and just cuddled him back to sleep. Had a bit of a cry earlier to DH about tiredness etc and am feeling better for it smile. Sometimes it's all you need really, a good cry!
amey I'd go. You can make nandos quite healthy if you stay away from the chips and coleslaw sides. We don't have one near us but I buy the sauces in the supermarket. Yum! It'll do you good to get out.
Hope everyone is getting some zzzzzzzzzzz's

larlemucker Sun 03-Feb-13 04:31:28

None here, second transfer fail. Been up for 2 hours. totally knackered. Think baby larle slept too much during day

larlemucker Sun 03-Feb-13 05:38:20

Third transfer fail, losing plot as need to sleep

MrsNPattz Sun 03-Feb-13 06:03:59

First feed at half 5, he went down at half 9 so he did well! Of course he's wide awake now - I'm not sure which I would prefer, a quick feed in the middle then sleep longer, or no feeds but wake super early??

Heff it's ok thank you, out with SIL and MIL yesterday, then just a quiet day today. Might nip to Tesco as I have vouchers - exciting lol Hubby gets back tonight, can't wait! Glad you have got on ok!

Welcome Lamprey! Wow two sets of twins on this thread now smile

BrainGoneAwol Sun 03-Feb-13 06:28:23

larle hope you got some more sleep. The long sessions are nasty. Babybrain kept me up from 1.30-4 tonight, with I never found out what.

He's just woken me again at 6. Started with mumbling so I ignored it for a bit but it got louder and louder. I muted the monitor to come into him but somehow fell half asleep again so was dreaming I was going to him when I was actually still in bed. He was full on crying by the time I got to him sad. Bad Mummy sad. I genuinely don't understand how DP sleeps through it.

Aw brain, you are just exhausted, I have done that before too. You are not a bad mummy.

Welcome Lamprey smile

Hope you get some sleep soon Larle.

Well.done to baby small and MrsN's little man, more sleep that is what we like to see!

Fed at 2.30 here, she pooed, but dh changed her for me. Don't know why she is suddenly pooing in the middle of the night.

Just done third feed, going to attempt transfer now.

MissingMyMarbles Sun 03-Feb-13 08:43:50

Good night!! Bed at 7, intruder at 7.45, fed at 10.30-11ish, 2ish, 4.30ish and up for the day at 7.45 yay! I feel great! By no means perfect but such an improvement on recent weeks.

Sorry not to name check; Sunday mornings are always a huge rush for us.

larlemucker Sun 03-Feb-13 10:19:06

Glad others had a better night than us, don't know what is wrong with ds as after waking at 2.30am he wouldn't sleep longer than 1 hour. Didn't wake up crying or anything but I didn't want him to disturb dh as he started work at 6 and has a 12 hour shift on his own.
Hope to catch up today!

MrsNPattz Sun 03-Feb-13 13:41:54

I was a lucky mummy and got a couple more hours this morning - up at 9!

funchum8am Sun 03-Feb-13 16:43:44

Hi everyone, I am safely back home and everyone seems to have survived here. Good to know I am actually not indispensable in a weird way!

Welcome lamprey, wow two sets of twins on this thread!

Marbles since we have been having similar nights I hope mine are about to improve like yours!! How old is missmarbles? (Sorry I did know but can't hold info for long blush)

Babyfunch did better last night for DH - 7-1am(wowzers, hope that continues!) and then 1:30-3:30 ( also better than the usual hourly wakings). BUT she was then up for the day at 3:30 so poor DH had to get up with her and she didn't nap again til 6:45.

Speaking of DH, as I go back to work on 25 feb he will be on night duty from then on, at least in the week. How would everyone feel if he joined the thread?! I am not sure he actually would want to but it has been such a great support to me and I wouldn't want hi to have to cope with less than I have had...but some of you might feel odd having a man, and one I have been on here telling you about (!) on the thread. I have no issue with him spilling the beans on me to you all but can see it might make some feel uncomfortable....thoughts?!

The more the merrier fumchum, I have always felt that mn should be called parents net and be more inclusive of men.

DH was SAHD for 2 years with dd1 and always found it difficult going to baby and toddler groups etc because of the women not being very friendly (or too friendly, if you catch my meaning).

Has he got a good sense of humour? Can he bake (or even just eat cake)?

MissingMyMarbles Sun 03-Feb-13 18:31:27

Evening all. Hope everyone has had a lovely Sunday. Ours has been busy but Missmarbles wasn't so distracted so I am hoping she doesn't feel the need to feed all night and we can repeat, or even improve on, last night.

Funch, Missmarbles is 7 months next Monday. I think baby Funch is a little younger? I have no problem your DH joining the thread. What will his username be?

Hope you got caught up a bit today, Larle.

Nice one, MrsN.

Waves to Stitch, and everyone else. Fruit cake on the table - dig in. See you all later. Hoping, as always, for lots of sleep.

ChilliBanana Sun 03-Feb-13 19:11:28

I have no issues with Mr funch joining the thread, I hope he gets as much support from it as we do.

Baby chilli has had a stonking cold since Thursday but apart from making bedtime more fraught, he's actually slept for 3 - 4 hours at a time rather than waking hourly! It makes no sense at all but I'm grateful for the extra sleep.

Fruitcake sounds lovely marbles, I haven't had tea yet and I'm starving smile

Hi to everyone else, no doubt see some of you later.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Sun 03-Feb-13 19:16:57

Really good to hear you're feeling better today marbles

funch glad you're home safely, please tell Mr Funch he is most welcome, I think the only requirements for joining this thread are a nocturnal baby and a fondness for cake smile

Hooray for your lie in mrsn a little extra kip can make all the difference sometimes. Hope your night is as good!

DH just got back as I was getting the girls out of the bath, dd1 was so excited to see him it actually made me cry a bit <emotional wreck emoticon> and I'm looking forward to a cuddle and catch up once we've got the girls to sleep.

Looking forward to our Sunday night top gear, call the midwife and glass of wine, hoping babylump settles quickly tonight.

See you all later on xx

MrsNPattz Sun 03-Feb-13 19:33:41

Evening! I have a few swimming questions - after swimming, do you wash them there or just dry them and bath them at home? What about you - do you shower there or at home? We start water babies on Tues and I'm a bit nervous!

Today was a tough day WW wise - I'm finding it so much harder this time. Even with the extra points I always feel hungry, and crave sweet things. It must be the breast feeding. I didn't give in though!

Funch - Mr Funch is more than welcome!

Hope you are ok Susie!

BrainGoneAwol Sun 03-Feb-13 21:06:25

funch Mr is more than welcome. I think it's hard sometimes for partners when they don't get autoenrollment into all the support networks. Cake appreciation is obviously a requirement.

mrsn well done on sticking at ww. The extra cravings from bf are extra challenging! I've suddenly developed a desire for chocolate and I always used to prefer savoury.

heff gah the effect of exhaustion on emotions. I find myself having to hold back tears and hysteria on a regular basis.

Poor little babybrain has his second tooth just beginning to split the gum. No wonder he kept crying last night. Calpol for him tonight and hopefully a bit more sleep. We shall see!

Sleepy dust to you all smile

larlemucker Sun 03-Feb-13 22:02:35

Congrats Mrsn, always nice to have a lie in, we managed to catch up on some sleep. Hoping for a better night tonight although already looking like first transfer failed sad
funch Mr funch is very welcome Jo join us. Shame that dads don't seem to be more welcome to things, my dh was sent away from my first antenatal class as they wasn't enough room for partners and has been the only dad we have seen at baby social and health visitor weigh in.
brain fingers crossed calpol works.
Sleepy dust to everyone, some marble cake and shortbread left over if required overnight!

funchum8am Sun 03-Feb-13 22:34:41

thanks all for supportive comments re DH! I will see what he.thinks about joining in now! He is fab at cooking and a reasonable baker, and is most definitely equipped with the requisite love of cake!

larle I am shock that they sent your DH away from the antenatal class! stitch does your DH have any tips for a sahd? other than strict avoidance of over friendly mums!!

We have had a bit of an evening here - I undressed babyfunch for a massage and she had this bright red rash all over her, so after a quick Google of meningitis symptoms we thought it best to get her checked over at A&E. They saw us really quickly despite an advertised wait of 3 hours and it turns out she has a throat infection which has caused a rash (has a posh name which I can't remember!). No treatment needed other than calpol thank goodness. So a bit stressful but happily all seems ok. Phew!

Annoyingly I can't sleep now that I have paid back a bit of my sleep debt and will no doubt drop off just before she wakes for a feed sad

Sprinkling sleepy dust!

funchum8am Sun 03-Feb-13 22:35:40

heff glad to hear DH is back and hope you got your relaxing evening in front of the telly smile

BrainGoneAwol Sun 03-Feb-13 23:50:28

Sadly calpol only worked for a couple of hours. After administering, DP said "oh you should shake the bottle" hmm have to wait for 4 hours before he can have a proper dose. sad

Glad that baby funch is ok. How scary!

Wish babybrain was as sleepy as me!

larlemucker Mon 04-Feb-13 01:47:48

Blimey funch, sounds scary. Glad its nothing serious.
First feed here, earlier than usual although same time as last night so hope we're not in for a repeat.
It wasn't the midwifes fault dh got turned away, the room they are given to use is tiny so there was nowhere for him to stand let alone sit!

BrainGoneAwol Mon 04-Feb-13 02:06:56

Back again sad Much as I feel sorry for babybrain's teething, I need some sleep tonight! At least he is trying to feed this time....

larle sadly that sort of shows how seriously (or not) hospital management take the classes.

Having bad closing eyelids problem so posting this while it still makesvsensw grin

BrainGoneAwol Mon 04-Feb-13 02:17:46

Fail sad. Tried too soon I think. Why is it that they can wake when you try to put them down and stay awake, but if you bring them back to your lap they be asleep instantly?!

Ameybee Mon 04-Feb-13 03:05:06

Its mad isnt it brain! They are clever little things!

We've been up since 2 as baby bees cold/cough has gotten worse sad just given calpol & plugged in vapour plug in. He's finally nodded off in my arms & I don't even know if I dare attempt transfer or just lay down and co-sleep!!

Susie loo - how's things with baby loo?

funchum8am Mon 04-Feb-13 03:07:34

Ugh was up 1 - 2.15 trying to settle without feeding to sleep and already awake again. Not feeding this time, trying Ewan plus dummy. Sort of ncss tactics basically - reducing reliance on feeding to sleep. Takes ages to settle her with dummy and I am meant to introduce a range of ways to get her to drop off, but only feeding has ever worked at night!

brain I know what you mean, soooo frustrating!

MrsNPattz Mon 04-Feb-13 04:27:48

First feed here - it's blowing a gale outside. I have a feeling this is going to be another up for an hour feed as he seems too awake!

Funch how scary - so glad everything is ok. Hope little one is better very soon.

Brain yes I definitely have more of a sweet tooth than usual - I usually love savoury too but it doesn't do anything for me at the moment. Lots of virtual cake needed grin

MissingMyMarbles Mon 04-Feb-13 05:46:54

Ok night. 3 hourly feeding. In our bed now as transfer fail. Trying to use phone to mesmerise Missmarbles who seems far to awake. DH gone to sofasad

BrainGoneAwol Mon 04-Feb-13 05:48:05

Back up again. Really hope this doesn't go on too long. The second tooth is still only a crack in the gum so there's a lot of pain still to go sad

funch I had so many intentions of getting him to self-settle but you're so desperate for sleep you'll break all your own rules. I'm sort of hoping it'll all come right as he gets older and weans off night feeds puts head in the sand for another day. I think I'd collapse if I lost more sleep in the attempt. Credit to you.

mrsn hope the gale hasn't kept you up. I used to love it when it was wild and windy and I was all snug inside. Different obviously when you have a baby!

funchum8am Mon 04-Feb-13 07:11:31

Haven't had any sleep since my last post sad. babyfunch is clearly teething, exciting but when added to already awful sleep it is a bit scary. Lying down makes her cry, presumably makes gums throb. Wonder when I will next sleep?

larlemucker Mon 04-Feb-13 07:43:42

Oh funch, have you tried ambesol liquid? I think its ok for babies, has a local anesthetic in it. It's good stuff.
Hope everyone else is getting some sleep. Baby larle on 4th feed! How come I can cope with the middle of the night wake ups at this time in the morning I'm really tired?

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Mon 04-Feb-13 09:10:24

Good night here <sigh of relief> waking at 1 which only included one transfer failure then at 5. Co slept from 5 so didn't wake up til half 7 which was lovely.

brain sad for tooth pain, I think we're due a tooth appearance in the next month or so judging by all the redness and discomfort she seems to be in. Hope you got back to sleep.

funch another bad one you must be exhausted, what are you doing tomorrow? If you want a nap I could come over with the double buggy and take baby funch for a walk with babylump so you can catch up?

Hope everyone has good days xx

Ameybee Mon 04-Feb-13 09:20:53

We were up every hour since my last post. Funch - think we are teething too although calpol didn't help sad SO bloody tired! X

Susieloo Mon 04-Feb-13 10:34:54

Hello everyone, sorry for the rubbish nights out there. I am still lurking but not been posting due to dp and I now sharing night feeds with me doing most of the ones in the week and him taking over at the weekend which means I have been catching up on sleep and wine consumption in equal measures. We have been having some quite good nights with a couple of one night only wakings and we are now working on trying to push his bedtime routine back to 6.30 so he's asleep by 7 rather than asleep by six and sometimes up for the day at 5.30-this is harder than I anticipated because he is so grouchy by 5.30 due to still poor naps in the day. I'm also finding it hard to use my iPhone at night for posting because it distracts him.

mrsn would love to know how you get on at water babies, we start next week and I'm totally confused about how to get both me and babyloo changed and it also says I can't feed him in the changing room and I know he's going to be starving when he comes out of the water, also no idea where I am meant to put him whilst I'm getting changed, not allowed to bring prams into the changing room understandably. Hoping it will all make sense when I get there!!

amey not surprised your tired and I think when the time feels right you should take up the offer of dm or mil (can't remember which one!) offer of having baby bee over night, I've felt loads better in the last couple of weeks and just one nights uninterrupted sleep makes all the difference.

fun glad you had a good weekend away and it would be great to have your dh on here, I thought about suggesting it to dp but he's got a naughty streak and would probably end up wading into other threads and starting bun fights!!!

goat how are you doing? and marbles glad your nights are improving, can't believed that they will be 7 months next week.

Sorry not to name check everyone, hello to stich, brain, larle, heff and look and sorry if I've missed anyone!

MrsNPattz Mon 04-Feb-13 10:52:57

Morning, I was wrong - we weren't up for an hour, he went straight back down after his feed! Thankfully!

I'm getting waxed this morning ready for swimming tomorrow and the wedding on Saturday! Then counselling later.

Hope all of the poorly teeth get better soon - poor things!

larlemucker Mon 04-Feb-13 12:53:00

Waxing, nasty!
Baby larle been weighed this morn and has put on a whole pound in 2 weeks!! So chuffed as although he has a bottle on a night its only 4oz so I know I'm making enough milk.
Hi to all, hope you all have a good Monday

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Mon 04-Feb-13 13:51:06

susie I'm chuckling at the thought of your DH wading in to all the bunfights, that's exactly the sort of thing my DH would do just to keep himself amused.

funch what a horrible scare so glad she's ok.

We've got so much cake and tasty naughtiness in the house at the moment, just got back from all morning out but think we're going to have to go out again or I'll end up scoffing the lot.

<distributes lemon drizzle cake, custard tarts, homemade honey nut bars and sultana butter cookies>

<takes a massive bite of everything when no one is looking>

MrsNPattz Mon 04-Feb-13 14:21:00

Great, waxing lady went to the wrong house so I am now going up her on Thursday but it means I have to go swimming tomorrow with hairy legs and under arms!! Help!! confused

Susie I am totally stressing out about the same things, I don't know how to get us showered or whether to do it at home, or how to get us both dressed etc etc! I'm really nervous blush and now hairyness to top it off! will let you know how it goes! Glad you are doing ok, we have missed you!

MrsNPattz Mon 04-Feb-13 14:21:44

Heff mmmm thanks for the cake - I will take it all grin

larlemucker Mon 04-Feb-13 14:34:00

OMG, How much cake! Yum. Thanks heff.
Mrsn, have you got a wetsuit!grin wink

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Mon 04-Feb-13 15:15:36

mrsn don't stress you'll have a lovely time. Whenever we go swimming my time/stress saving tips are

- go wearing your cossie under your clothes so you don't have to change fully. Wear easy on/off clothes for both of you.
- take towels to the poolside
- rinse under the shower but save washing properly for the bath at home
- take an extra towel so if you can't get a cubicle with a changing station in you can fold it on the bench or floor and change baby there
-feed him if he gets upset, I've never heard of a no feeding rule at any of our local pools but if there is one at yours its not like they can tell what you're doing if you're in the cubicle anyway.
-spare plastic bags for chucking all the wet stuff in so you don't have to faff around wringing it out etc
-talcum powder! Makes drying and dressing much quicker and more comfortable (and lovely smelling!)

I've succumbed to a small piece of lemon cake backside my DM made it and its lush, but so far resisted everything else for now

MrsNPattz Mon 04-Feb-13 15:40:18

Aw thanks for taking the time to write those tips Heff! I'm already packed but I will put some carrier bags in now! I have 2 towels for little man. I am looking forward to it - I'm just a worrier lol

Larle I need one - they are going to think I'm weird haha blush

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Mon 04-Feb-13 16:05:36

I've just noticed my autocorrect changed 'because' to 'backside' in that last post...why?!!

Hope you and little man have a wonderful time mrsn smile

Ameybee Mon 04-Feb-13 17:59:53

Really really need a better night than last night hmm I feel awful! On the plus side it can't get much worse than last night as it was utterly shite!! Having a fish finger sandwich then pj's on and bed ASAP! X

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Mon 04-Feb-13 19:09:34

Bedtime nearly done <looks hopefully at baby flailing arms and fighting sleep> and I'm planning on a nice bath and dying my hair tonight. Its been so long my roots are down to my ears blush

mrsn how was swimming?

Dd1 made us laugh tonight, she gave dd2 a kiss goodnight just as dd2 released a bit of a dribble overflow so her sisterly kiss was met with dribbly baby wetness. Her face was a picture, couldn't have been more disgusted if I'd tried feeding her catfood, then she just said "daddy, tissue" wiped her mouth and gave dd2 'the look'. How was a bit of baby drool be so revolting to a toddler who regularly dips her toast in her yoghurt?!

Attempting transfer number two. See you all later xx

MrsNPattz Mon 04-Feb-13 19:38:11

Heff it's tomorrow afternoon! I keep thinking about what people will think about my hairiness lol bless your DD!

Counselling was helpful again tonight, talking about things that happened in the past to make me how I am today.

I'm really tired and feel a cold coming on! WW in the morning, I have been sooooo good so hope it shows on the scales!

Hello everyone,

Funch so sorry to hear of your bad nights and scare, glad babyfunch was okay.

Tips for DH:

Distractions - have favourite toys, books, dvd, activities to hand in case of a terrible teething day, illness or 'I want my mummy' moment. Singing, dancing, tickling, crawl chase all good ways to pass the time.

Snacks/food/bottles - if going out make sure you take lots, nothing worse than being caught short with a hungry baby.

Teething medication - see above but for teething baby.

Get out of the house - breaks up the day, plus it is important to get some adult interaction as days on end with just a baby to talk to can make you a bit down.

Be prepared for poonamis with changes of clothes.

First feed transfer, will be back later.

Susieloo Mon 04-Feb-13 22:42:28

Think I have a poorly baby, very unsettled and major screaming during his bath which is unusual, think that formula is making him constipated and its hurting his tummy, he's been awake twice and just had some milk but I think it could be a long night......

Susieloo Mon 04-Feb-13 22:44:15

Just caught up funch with your hospital trip that must have been really scary, hope baby funch is doing okay now.

MissingMyMarbles Mon 04-Feb-13 22:45:34

All that virtual cake this way purleasegrin Every Monday I try and be so good than completely fall of the diet wagon because I am so hungry all the time!! It had got to stop though, as I feel so fat and am dreading my training day tomorrow. I've had nearly every item of clothing that hardly fits on and look fat and frumpy in everything sad I've resorted to a maternity dress with a forgiving ruched front in black, ruched some more to a shorter length, leggings, also black, tan below the knee boots and a tan long cardigan to cover the whole lot up DM is here - yay! Missmarbles behaved beautifully this afternoon so hopefully will behave beautifully all day tomorrow confused Calpol tonight though because she has been pulling at her earssad

Nice to see you Susie. My DH would also get himself into all kinds of troublegrin

Never heard the no feed rule either, MrsN. Like Heff says though, hue would they even know? I bet you and little N love it grin Glad counselling was beneficial. I also wax and hate being hairy, but I bet no one notices; I never notice how hairy anyone else is, only that I could plait my own armpit hairsgrin

LOVE fish finger sandwiches, Amey grin Hope you have a better night.

Right, I'm off to set the alarm hmm as I have to be away by 8am. No doubt will be seeing you in the wee small hours and will need matchsticks on the training day, which sounds horrendously boring even for the non-sleep-deprived.

funchum8am Tue 05-Feb-13 00:25:36

thanks everyone for kind words re A&E visit - it was scary when I first saw the rash but actually by the time the doc said to undress her I was more terrified it would have vanished and I would look like a nutter!

stitch huge thanks for sahd tips, I will pass them on!

heff yes please to a load of cake. Everyone, I am taking up heff's kind offer of an hour's respite tomorrow morning and I want everyone to know how grateful I am smile smile smile MNers can be so very lovely.

susie I hope babyloo is ok and ear pulling is just tiredness, or the calpol stops whatever the cause is.

amey you sound how I feel. I guess I should come take babybee sometime and pay forward heff's favour to me...where are you again?? grin

First feed here since bed at 7, have ignored a couple of grizzles and she went back to sleep earlier so the self settling lesson may be working (though sad that it is not 'no-cry' the way we seem to be doing it....she wakes up more fully if I go in!). Her two later naps and bedtime today were all boob and dummy free so I have stuck to my guns but she has just dropped off on boob so now have to wake her before transfer....sad

Sprinkling sleepy dust....

funchum8am Tue 05-Feb-13 00:26:22

marbles I know how you feel re wardrobe issues....hugs.

MissingMyMarbles Tue 05-Feb-13 01:24:44

Thanks, Funch thanks

I had only just dropped off myself after thinking about work, DM looking after Missmarbles tomorrow, losing weight ROTC when Missmarbles woke me. Then all singing all dancing (literally) transfer fails began. Been up an hour already. I could cry. I really needed her to sleep well tonight. Trying to mesmerise her with my phone again, and it works. Must get a light show.

MissingMyMarbles Tue 05-Feb-13 01:25:36

Etc was autocorrected to ROTC hmm

MissingMyMarbles Tue 05-Feb-13 01:49:22

Just bought light show of eBay grin Hope it works! Poor lamb though, she can hardly breathe, so snuffly and unsettled. She's letting out little sobs in her sleep (on me). Apart from ear pulling and illuminous snot, she's been ok in herself throughout the day. I hope she stays asleep although I am a little scared to risk another transfer fail after the last fifty billion......

funchum8am Tue 05-Feb-13 02:36:43

I was wondering what ROTC was! I have been there on the night before I am due at work thinking pleeeeaase, tonight, some sleep. But actually being at work has tended to see me manage ok. How it will be when I am back full time is another matter however sad . At least if the training is so boring you drop off, you have an excuse....what will everyone else's be?!

Susieloo Tue 05-Feb-13 02:38:46

2nd feed of the night and think I've been spoiled over the last few nights as feel really tired, hoping he will go through until gone 5.30. Hope your transfer fails were successful in the end marbles

BrainGoneAwol Tue 05-Feb-13 02:44:05

heff Lemon drizzle backside!! I know I'm a bit sleep deprived, but that did make me laugh grin. One day I am going to write a post that he all the auto 'correcs' left in, to see what I end up with hmm
Thank you for the cake though. I had chocolate and banana bread and butter pudding cake at a cafe yesterday and it was amazing!

mrsn I'm sure the swimming will be fun and there will be plenty of other hairy legs. I actually dreamt about mine the other day they're so hairy and bothering me, so you're not alone.

amey sorry you're having a rubbish time. Hope tonight is better.

marbles hope the transfer worked...

Hello to everyone else. Sorry to stop namechecking. Babybrain has fallen asleep so I should too. Calpoled him in desperation as this is the third wake already tonight. Poor lil boy sad

Transfer attempt...

Susieloo Tue 05-Feb-13 02:47:46

Anyone else's baby sleep with a muslin/blanket across their face? I know it's breathable and I've cut it in half so it's less likely to get doubled over but I take it of him when he's asleep and wondering if I should just leave it.

funchum8am Tue 05-Feb-13 03:40:15

babyfunch likes to chew a muslin but I get paranoid so haven't let her keep it for sleeping, but might try cutting it in half, thanks for the tip susie.

Still awake at 2nd feed here, trying to do ncss thing where they fall asleep without boob. Total failure so far plus had to change dirty nappy so while she is tired she isn't sleepy but thrashing about in crib with Ewan as a soundtrack. Hoping she will tire herself out soon though. I can't calm her by picking her up as she goes into boob seeking frenzy mode but she has fed til boobs are empty and refused a bottle so I know it is not hunger!

Hope everyone else is doing better!

MrsNPattz Tue 05-Feb-13 03:43:56

First feed here, I'm definitely getting a cold - feel yack!

That's so lovely of Heff, Funch - enjoy! I think I will come to Uxbridge especially one day just to meet you all grin hope Goat is ok!

Glad I'm not the only one with hairiness going on - I really hope no one notices. At least if they do, they will notice my super smoothness next week grin

Smallgreenone Tue 05-Feb-13 03:52:51

Howdi! Baby small rolled over today- he's on the move!!! Just had a bottle and he's wide awake chatting to himself. Making me smile as he's so cute but I'm ignoring him in the hope he'll get bored and go back to sleep.
I made lemon drizzle cake yesterday and there's loads left for you all.

larlemucker Tue 05-Feb-13 04:54:55

Congrats to baby small.
Baby larle has started smiling and has just got up and spent a couple of minutes smiling and cooing at me little sod how adorable. He has amazing time keeping skills, been up at half 12, half 2 and half 4 on the dot!
MrsN I'm really hairy too, keep looking at my legs thinking I should do something about it, mind you would rather have hairy legs than stretch marks!
funch how you getting on without boob, we've been trying to get baby larle to sleep without boob and seems to work (when we have the willpower to put up with the crying!)
Sleepy dust to all, good luck tomorrow marbles

larlemucker Tue 05-Feb-13 04:56:13

Oops little sod should be little sod sign of how awake I obviously am!

BrainGoneAwol Tue 05-Feb-13 05:10:21

The calpol didn't work sad. - Sounds like a song by the Verve.

Contracts small that's exciting!

funch hope you had more success.

mrsn hope the cold disappears before it starts. sad. Colds are miserable. DP, Babybrain and I are all just getting over one.

larle haha! Freudian slip! Underline for real emphasis! I've definitely been there and agree!

BrainGoneAwol Tue 05-Feb-13 05:12:06

Oh dear. Just seen the number of '!' in my last post. I think I am going crazy...

larlemucker Tue 05-Feb-13 05:55:16

And we're up again for the 4th feed.
brain don't know about you but I went crazy a long time ago!
Can hardly keep eyes open.

BrainGoneAwol Tue 05-Feb-13 06:52:16

Ha. Yes larle, it is probably silly of me to expect it to be otherwise...

Up again! He's not wanting to feed particularly, maybe he wants the comfort because of his teeth. I'm supposed to be driving the car to pick up some post this morning (they've just shut my local sorting office and changed it to one miles away) and I'm really not sure I'll be safe. What to do?

MissingMyMarbles Tue 05-Feb-13 07:11:31

Alarms gone off - must get out of bedsad

Thank God for my mum. She rescued me at 3 as Missmarbles transfer failed every time. Poor little mite. DH has a nasty cold but I am a bit cross he didn't offer to help. Colds are not life threatening to otherwise healthy adults and I can't help wondering how he thinks I manage hmm Anyway, mum sat up with Missmarbles so I have had 3 hours sleep when she brought her in for a feed at 6.30 then just had another half hour so, hi ho, hi ho, it's off to work I go!!

Ameybee Tue 05-Feb-13 07:42:29

Well better night than night before not difficult did 730-10 then co slept till 2 then feed then 2-6 and huge poo in cot then 6-7 with me!

He's full of snot & coughing tho bless him. Can't wait for a full nights sleep! Think I'm putting DH on night duty tonight!
Enjoy swimming mrsn!

MrsNPattz Tue 05-Feb-13 10:21:48

I lost 2lb this week, really pleased after my bad week last week! Half a pound away from half a stone! I have SILs wedding on Saturday so I have to be really good until then blush

It's snowing here, not the best weather to go swimming but I will just make sure little man is wrapped up!

Susieloo Tue 05-Feb-13 10:41:01

Well done mrsn smile

MrsNPattz Tue 05-Feb-13 11:42:53

Thanks Susie smile

MrsNPattz Tue 05-Feb-13 11:57:05

Little man has all of a sudden developed nappy rash (at least i think thats what it is - red spots with white in them?), we are not doing anything differently. Any ideas why he would suddenly get it?

A change in your diet, if you ate lots of citrus fruit or spicy food. Illness reduces the bodies ability to keep the natural skin yeast levels down as does teething, so nappy rash can go hand in hand with both. If you take a pro biotic that can help.

larlemucker Tue 05-Feb-13 13:18:40

Well done MrsN that's fantastic. I have my 6 week check on thurs so hoping to start ww after that.
Snowing here, set off to see mil but told dh to turn round as roads were getting bad.
Hope everyone else has better weather.

funchum8am Tue 05-Feb-13 14:07:06

mrsn 2lb is fantastic! well done.

amey that does indeed sound like a much better night, hope you feel better for it.

Sending serious (and wakeful) professional vibes to marbles for today!

heff was a legend, thank you SO much! I got an extra hour and a half sleep! And well done for not pissing yourself at me coming down to the ground floor to hand babyfunch over in my pyjamas and ugh-style slippers with long black smart coat over the top as if that would hide the slippers or the unbuttoned front of my top

And Heff even brought me some of that lemon drizzle cake! Real thread cake! I am saving it for next nap to have with a cuppa in peace wink

brain I know all too well the driving dilemma. If you genuinely feel unsafe I wouldn't risk it.

larle good luck for your check up.

MrsNPattz Tue 05-Feb-13 15:53:11

Just back from Water Babies - we both loved it! grin So good, he even went under water! He wasn't sure when he came back up but was fine after 5 seconds. The other ladies were lovely, and I was worrying about nothing over my hairy legs as one of the other ladies mentioned her own first haha the only thing was the changing area, it was tiny and there was a bit of an 'us and them' atmosphere with the members of the centre. A few unhappy water baby mums, they even spoke about not coming back sad but we managed fine and it's worth it! You will love it Susie smile

MrsNPattz Tue 05-Feb-13 19:43:11

Thanks Stitch, I've been eating more fruit and veg since starting Weight Watchers, and I think he has been teething although it's died down a bit now.

Susieloo Tue 05-Feb-13 19:43:38

Dp on night duty so I'm enjoying a couple of glasses of wine.

funch think I will need to hem ask my mum to do it the edges because it frayed and he had bits of cotton in his mouth so I worried about that, how people had babies in the Stone Age is beyond me!!!

Glad you enjoyed water babies mrsn I feel very reassured so thank you.

Loving actual real life thread cake grin

Have good nights everyone.

funchum8am Tue 05-Feb-13 21:08:33

Warning: I am on a proper computer for once so this post is long and self-justifying

Thanks susie good to hear the hemming tip - my mum wouldn't have a clue how to do that either but I am sure the local drycleaners who alter all my trousers cos I am a shortarse would enjoy that bit of business (!)

DH did bedtime and so no issue with boobing to sleep. I have started reading Dr Ferber's book (guy who came up with CC idea of checking on baby at slightly lengthened intervals til they learn to go to sleep without help.) It has really similar starting point to the No Cry SS book but very different way of getting the same result but (unfortunately, since I thought I was anti leaving a baby to cry) it makes loads of sense to me and sounds just what we need. The NCSS idea that you stop baby from rooting by putting a finger under her chin is just not working for us AT ALL. Babyfunch seems not to cry for long when left to cry so we won't even get to the day 1 longest interval of leaving her for 10 minutes before she drops off, most likely. And according to Ferber, 4 months is just about the best time to start as they are old enough to expect them not to wake every 45 mins, but too young for the habit to be very ingrained (and indeed to remember the cruelty crying.) Not sure where the idea that it is not recommended for under 1 year comes from, I see that all over MN which is one reason I haven't thought to try CC before.

So with a heavy heart, but optimism that we may finally be looking at a solution that could work for us, I am admitting to trying CC! I can understand some of you are going to feel that we are being selfish or cruel, but I have looked back at some of my posts on the last couple of threads and I truly believe we are having really extreme problems compared to the majority of people at this stage. Actually taking up the wonderful heff on her generous offer to come and help me out today has made me realise just how bad things are. I am sure if I had heard of someone agreeing to accept that before I had babyfunch I would have thought what a pathetic woman who can't cope with a bit of broken sleep. Also, I am back to work in 20 days and just can't risk this carrying on then, it will kill me to hear her and be that sleep deprived at work, even if DH is actually getting up to her! Plus my poor pupils will suffer if I can't stay awake to teach them.

So, fingers crossed....and even if it doesn't work I will be honest about it and you can use my experience to inform your own views if you like smile

Ameybee Tue 05-Feb-13 21:26:31

Ah funch, I think you've done so well! And there will always be people who have opinions about CC but at the end of the day you know your baby & what will work! Like you say you need a solution before going back to work! We originally decided not to do any sleep training till 6 months as everyone says not to, however I thought to myself how come babies are meant to be clever enough to rely on cues such as bedtime routines bath bottle Etc but something like pick up put down is too tough? The nap situation for us improved massively with it & I wish I'd done it from 3 months! I hope the sleep situation really improves for you soon tho, it is pure torture!! Keep reminding yourself 'its just a phase!' - I get sick of hearing that in my own head!

Baby bee has been a gorgeous smiley cuddly bundle of joy today! Was nice for me & DH to have a day with him whilst DD at nursery. We have loads of snow! So won't be going far tomorrow. Xxx

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Tue 05-Feb-13 23:38:40

Lol brain that song will never sound the same to me now!

mrsn it'd be amazing if you ever found yourself travelling our way, would absolutely love to meet you and little man for RL coffee and cake smile Well done on your weight loss, and really glad you both enjoyed swimming.

funch so glad to have been able to help in some small way, prolonged sleep deprivation can be so horrendous and I don't think anyone can ever appreciate just what it does to you until they've experienced it. <mutters at DH moaning about how he's "just so tired" after being woken once for 30 seconds> Baby Funch was a real poppet and I thought your pjs were very stylish! wink

marbles how was work today?

goat where are you? Hope you're getting lots of sleep and not just lurking in a sleep deprived fug. <waves> to anyone else lurking smile

Off to bed now, sleeping on sofa tonight as put babylump to bed in the buggy so easier for DH to get her back to sleep while I went out tonight with some old friends and drank copious amounts of wine Buggyfit tomorrow morning, I've only just recovered from last week confused

MissingMyMarbles Wed 06-Feb-13 03:24:24

Back to 2 hourly proper feeding til waking at 3, less than an hour later but not needing a feed.hmm

Work was ok, thanks, Heff. Was exhausted though after last nights shenanigans. Felt ill but then went to bed after putting DD1 to bed so feel much better now. It turned out to be 9-1 rather than 9-4 which was good. Missmarbles was a dream for DM, which was very reassuring, wasn't even that bothered when I came in!! I left the breast pump in the car though, so boobs were exploding when I got home.

Ok attempting transfer now......

larlemucker Wed 06-Feb-13 04:21:46

Can't believe it is our first feed here and tbh he wasn't properly awake when I got him out of cot but I really needed to feed him before exploding! He isn't in a grobag tonight as all in wash so don't know if that's made a difference, wondering if he Is usually too warm. marbles glad work went well, hope transfer was successful.
heff lucky you going out, not sure if I'll ever have a social life again!
funch only you know your baby well enough to know if cc is right for you. I personally don't think I could do it but baby larle is only 5 and a half weeks old. However I also swore I'd never co sleep and ended up with him in our bed for about 2 weeks! Hope it works for you.

Impressed I've managed to write so much on my phone! Seems quiet out there so hope lots of you are sleeping

funchum8am Wed 06-Feb-13 07:19:53

Grr app just ate a really long post!

Basically last night went pretty well! She slept 7-12, settled easily without a feed, then did 12-1:30 then fed, easily settled then slept til 4:15 (totally amazing stretch for us!). Then we had a fair bit of crying and I gave her calpol in case it was teething pain but she went back to sleep 5-6:15, which again is unheard of here. I got loads more sleep than usual, as did babyfunch, and the longest she cried was 45 mins, but with us going in every 5-8 mins to check and reassure her. I think she will do even better tonight as she had bad naps yesterday, but if they are better today and she doesn't sleep too much in the afternoon I think that 4:15 wake up should move later. Fingers crossed anyway.

Best of all she is still smily and happy this morning so she must have forgiven us already smile

Marbles, really glad you survived work and missmarbles was good for DM. I bet finding out it finished at 1 was a bonus!

Heff the thread cake was absolutely delicious! Thank you grin

Goat hope you are ok out there!

Larle I am keen to hear if you work out that grobags are making baby too hot to sleep well, could be something for me to consider...she always feels warm but with cold hands as we can't work out how to get the radiator in her room warmer without all the radiators in the house going too hot. The individual settings on the just don't seem to work angry

brew To everyone!

Well done baby small on your rolling.

MrsN glad you and little man had a good time at swimming and we'll done on losing 2lbs.

Thanks for cake Heff, have fun at buggyfit.

Glad your first day back went okay marbles, hope you got a bit more sleep.

Hope you enjoyed your night of relaxation susie.

Brain, larle and Amey hope you all got a bit more rest.

Funch sounds like a promising night.

Stitch took her first steps on Monday and has been practising ever since, must be tiring her out as she went 10.30pm to 2.30am, then woke at 6.30am and slept until 8am. My mum is visiting today, looking forward to seeing her.

MrsNPattz Wed 06-Feb-13 10:16:27

It's just true what they say about swimming - little man slept through, 8:30-7:30! He woke me up at half 1 and 20 past 6 but he was just making noise in his sleep - bit annoying that I didn't get the full stretch uninterrupted but I'm not complaining!

MIL is having him this afternoon while I go for an Indian head massage and get my nails done - can't wait smile

Funch - no judging from me, hope it works for you, already sounds like it is grin

Susieloo Wed 06-Feb-13 14:15:53

Big long post from me earlier and it got eaten-boooo

Babyloo also slept through from 6pm until 7 this morning, he had his muslin with him all night which helped-I'm cautiously optimistic that this might be the start of a new routine!!

funch totally believe its your baby and you have to do what's right for you.

Ameybee Wed 06-Feb-13 15:58:26

Oh my god I'm jealous of all the sleeping through susie and mrsn! Obviously pleased for you tho! grin X

funchum8am Wed 06-Feb-13 18:57:22

Also jealous of sleepy babies but completely delighted for you....get your caps and gowns ready, we may need a graduation ceremony soon! fully expects people to set an alarm for 3am to come and join us on here regardless

Ameybee Wed 06-Feb-13 19:08:05

Ha ha yes fun they had better keep us company at 3am! Me and you will still be here when baby funch and babybee are 8!! confused!
I've been sorting through the baby clothes to send off for a keepsake blanket & I started to feel a bit teary and slightly broody! DH not keen on no 3 tho, wonder how I can convince him?!? not for another 3 years at least tho x

Smallgreenone Wed 06-Feb-13 19:37:49

Don't worry I'll be here with you for years I think! I am going to try this swimming though. Does baby small need a wet suit?

geekette Wed 06-Feb-13 19:40:00

wish I had the energy to post more often. don't know how you lot do it!

well done to all those who have found the right sleep dust! I am envy but living in hope to join you soon.

last night was so bad that all of us, baby, dad and mum all woke up grumpy. cue worst day ever.

MrsNPattz Wed 06-Feb-13 20:20:19

I don't think it's the start of something wonderful - just the result of being cream crackered from Water Babies! Time will tell though! I didn't use a wet suit Small, just a happy nappy, but I have one to use in public pools in case they are colder - the pool for Water Babies has to be a certain temp! I think we are going swimming on Sunday as we are staying in the hotel that SIL is getting married in and they have a pool, can't wait for hubby to see him smile

I'm shattered and have the lurgy lurking so hope it's a straight forward bed time!

Susieloo Wed 06-Feb-13 20:35:35

I'm in bed praying for a repeat of last night but babyloo has got a really bad cold and sounds like a little train next to me. In debating leaving his muslin in the cot with him because it does seem to really settle him but I'm worried he will sleep with it over his face all bunched up.

Hoping for good nights for everyone.

larlemucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:35:06

Baby larle slept really well last night, feel like a different woman! Hope this is the start of things to come!
MrsN Hope you feel better soon.
Don't worry amey and funch baby larle is only 6 weeks so think I'll be here for a while yet!
6 week check tomorrow, fingers crossed all ok for us both and we can start pilates next week.
Sleep dust to everyone

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Wed 06-Feb-13 22:25:35

Wow well done to all the sleepy babies! grin I thought it was v quiet on here last night, so glad to hear its because lots of you were catching up on much needed sleep.

Our night was ok, nothing too horrendous but still a few wakings. My meal out was lovely though it was really good to just spend a couple of hours chatting with friends over a bottle of wine and not worry about making sure I ordered food I could eat while juggling a baby or wrestling with a toddler. Still missed them though so can't win either way!

I'm hoping to get a few hours in now before first waking but she does seem to wake whenever I come to bed no matter how quiet I try to be or what time I come up. Just put another blanket on her as its freezing up here, roll on summer.

Night all, hoping for more successes all round! xx

MissingMyMarbles Wed 06-Feb-13 22:27:55

Think I'll be here forever a while too; Missmarbles is 7 months on Monday confused I do know, though, that they DO sleep through. Eventually.

Yay for first steps, Stitch. So cutesmile Missmarbles is desperately trying to crawl. Am hoping she cracks on and then tires herself out -LOL!grin

Funch we put a plug-in oil radiator in Missmarbles room to keep the temp a bit more constant, as we had the same problem.

We had loads of feeding last night, little more than 2 hours apart but all the transfers were smooth. She woke up crying at 9pm tonight with a bit of a croupy sounding coughsad She is snotty hoping it's her teeth. Hope she sleeps longer than for 2 hours at a time tonight....

MissingMyMarbles Wed 06-Feb-13 22:31:57

Meant to congratulate the sleepers too blush
Am trying to do three none baby related things at once because you can do a million baby-related things at once, bizarrely

larlemucker Thu 07-Feb-13 00:06:01

Baby larle is not going to let me sleep tonight, feeding and can hardly keep eyes open. He has been so good today too went to visit the ladies in my choir this eve and he was so good. Think he enjoyed the singing!
Why is it when they wake you up totally knackered they then lie there smiling at you?

Ameybee Thu 07-Feb-13 00:50:54

I came to bed early then couldn't bloody sleep confusedconfused grr! Babybee just having a bottle but he went down at 630 tonight so know we will be up early so ill be knackered. Can hear poor DD coughing so that could be us up with her too! DH is out Tomo night - I'm nervous as I'm sure he will roll in at 3am & ill be doing this alone!!
Sleepy dust all x

MrsNPattz Thu 07-Feb-13 02:07:38

I knew it wouldn't last - first feed here! Never mind. I woke up earlier having a tickly coughing fit, thinking I had been asleep hours, it was only about 20 mins!!

Glad you had a lovely meal Heff!

MrsNPattz Thu 07-Feb-13 02:42:01

He's wide awake too blush

larlemucker Thu 07-Feb-13 03:23:30

Second feed here although already been up a couple of times letting him have a comfort suck send him to sleep.
So far he doesn't feel too got in grobag, I have turned radiator down, but last time he woke the grobag was wet round lie back of his neck and under chin but he hadn't been sick. I assume it was sweat?

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Thu 07-Feb-13 04:00:36

Not sure what number feed we're on, have had her in with me since first waking but no idea what time that was. Sat up now hoping to transfer after this feed as dd1 is in with us wanting a cuddle as her room's so cold.

Well done on first steps stitch!

MrsNPattz Thu 07-Feb-13 07:41:45

Second feed here probably first morning feed but trying to be hopeful the post man just delivered a parcel at 7:30!! It's Joshua's rag doll and blanket made from his clothes, and I was awake, so I didn't really mind but just thought it was super early!

Smallgreenone Thu 07-Feb-13 12:27:14

We had our usual night so not too bad, just wish it was one waking not two.
Just signed up for water babies, I'm so excited! It starts next week but we're away so will have to miss the fist session. It's in a hydrotherapy pool so hope it's a bit warmer than most pools as I'm a wimp!
Also took baby small to baby babble this morning and at the start of the class the woman said it would really tire them out- baby small has been asleep since it finished at 10.30 so two hours! He never naps that long! I'm even going to have to wake him for a feed soon which is unheard of!

funchum8am Thu 07-Feb-13 13:20:49

I am expressing at work right now so thought of you all. night 2 of cc was ok though not quite as amazing as night 1. First waking at 1:20 was easy as fed her, then awake briefly at 2.30 but no problem, but then lots of crying and checking on her 3:45-5:30 on and off. But then she slept til 7:10!!! Me, DH and DM were all hanging about twiddling our thumbs! So hoping we are on the right road.

The cold is a killer when you are up at night. sorry to hear of coughs and lurgy, I am just getting over a nasty one.

Better go, can hear pupils outside wondering what the noise from the pump is!

MissingMyMarbles Thu 07-Feb-13 14:29:36

grin at Funch in the broom cupboard with a pump! I went back to work on nights when DD1 was small and used to pump around 2am. I no longer work on that ward, and neither does my friend for that matter, but she still goes on about the noise from the stationary cupboardgrin

Another really crap, don't-put-me-down-or-I'll-cry night. It must be teeth and snot, as we have relatively few transfer failures. Crapness was enhanced by DD1 coming into our bed at 3. DH had already decamped to the sofa. I then tried to put Missmarbles back to bed which was successful after and hour and a half but she only lasted an hour. That said she only fed twice through it all. Her light show arrived today too, so hoping that might be a runner.

Downloaded NCSS, really keen to get going but going to DBro's for weekend so although I will start implementing some stuff, I'm not expecting miracles.

Ameybee Thu 07-Feb-13 15:21:06

Glad things are improving at night funch. And small - a 2 hour nap! Jealous!!

DH did night duty from 1am last night so I got a few hours uninterrupted although I kept waking to hearing DS! Having some afternoon snuggles with my boy now. DH is out tonight - I'm very worried he will roll in at 4am hammered! Oh well guess I've got to let him have his freedom! X

MrsNPattz Thu 07-Feb-13 17:52:35

Blurgh feeling rotten, swollen and sore glands! How can I not give it to little man?? Hubby is out tonight too Amey - again!! And he's out tomorrow but tonight it's a work team building night and tomorrow it's to have a drink with his BIL to be before his wedding on Sat. I feel resentful even though I don't want to go out - how does that work??

Susieloo Thu 07-Feb-13 17:53:27

Hello everyone, babyloo did another full night last night with the odd minor grumble but he was quite happy with his muslin and definitely didn't want feeding, I daren't mention graduation in case I jinx it.........

Have good nights everyone smile

Ameybee Thu 07-Feb-13 18:48:57

Know what you mean mrsn! I want to go out but not really! And I'd like to be 2 stone lighter! Really struggling with this dieting lark sad I've got no willpower & am knackered all the time. How am I ever going to shift it? I'm even considering slim fast!! I might get some veggies Tomo and make some healthy soups or something. Fed up of eating toast or pasta n sauce for every meal because we are too tired to cook. sorry I whinge far too much about being fat & should just get off my fat arse and do something about it

Well done babyloo! envy but there's hope for us yet! How old is he now susie?

Smallgreenone Thu 07-Feb-13 19:53:32

Well done baby loo!! I'm so jealous! Do you think its because he's on proper food now susie? DH is away tonight so I'm on my own and going to bed now! I actually quite like being on my own as baby small and I get the bed to ourselves and I only have to deal with one snorer! See you all later

Susieloo Thu 07-Feb-13 19:59:24

I think it's really hard to think about losing weight when your so tired amey, always has been for me. Babyloo will be seven months on Sunday.

I've come to bed in case his cold keeps him up, he's snoring so loudly I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep, I disinfected all of his toys today in boiling water and then sprayed with them dettol-no idea if that's normal or I'm being a bit precious!!

larlemucker Thu 07-Feb-13 22:54:28

Well done baby loo.
amey I too need to lose weight, I'm doing a reading at my cousins wedding in April and don't want to stand up infront of everyone looking like a fat cow!! I've never really been slim but I have piled it on since mum passed and the pregnancy hasn't helped or the diet of chocolate biscuits. Now I've passed my 6 week check I'm starting ww and Pilates.
Baby larle was so good at drs, didn't cry once. Was very proud!!
Just hoping that all the noise he is making now means he is dreaming and not that he is awake!!
Sleepy dust to everyone

Susieloo Thu 07-Feb-13 23:58:35

Babyloo woke himself up being snuffly so we are on first feed of the night, knew I'd jinx it talking about graduating.......

MrsNPattz Fri 08-Feb-13 00:29:17

First feed here, sniff sniff, cough cough sad

The thread is so quiet at the moment!

Amey, you will get there in your own time! I'm finding it really difficult as I'm so hungry all the time, but it's the feeling of being in control and eating better that's making me stick to it at the moment

Anyone whether I can take anything other than paracetamol while I'm breast feeding?

MissingMyMarbles Fri 08-Feb-13 00:47:48

First feed around 11, I would think, and I'm still up after numerous transfer fails and attempting to settle in the cot.......

BrainGoneAwol Fri 08-Feb-13 01:03:09

Hi all
Been struggling the last few nights with feeling knackered and a bit crap, so haven't been on here much. Second tooth has finally broken through so there has been a bit less wailing. Though babybrain has still woken for first feed after 2.5 hours. Ho hum.

Taken me ages to catch up on the thread so not doing lots of name checking as it'd take hours! But congrats on better sleeping susie. Well done on the ww mrsm and the swimming sounds great hairy legs ignored and everything! Hope the cold isn't getting worse. funch I think we all understand. My one attempt at cc had me in tears and babybrain screamed inconsolably (sweating etc) for 40mins so I said I'd never do it again. I really hope it works for you.

Attempting transfer. Sorry to those I've left out waves.
Disclaimer: I take no responsibility for getting names and events mixed up wink

BrainGoneAwol Fri 08-Feb-13 01:10:31

Oh and mrsn nhs says ibuprofen is fine but :

If you’re thinking about taking a combined cough or cold remedy, read the patient information that comes with the medicine to see what ingredients it contains. Products sold to treat coughs and colds usually contain several ingredients, and some may not be safe to take while you’re breastfeeding. You need to consider each ingredient separately to decide whether the remedy is safe.Always follow the recommended dosage instructions. For example, some remedies may also contain paracetamol. When taken in addition to regular paracetamol, this can mean you exceed the recommended dose. The following medicines should not be taken while you’re breastfeeding, either on their own or in any medicines that contain them:aspirin: a painkiller codeine: a painkiller phenylephrine: a decongestant (for blocked noses) found in some cold medicines phenylpropanolamine: a decongestant found in some cold medicinesguaifenesin: an expectorant (to bring up phlegm) found in some cough medicines any ingredient that produces drowsiness: such as some antihistamines that may be found in decongestants - for example, diphenhydramine

Sorry about weird formatting. Basically it says steaming and hot honey and lemon is best.

Ameybee Fri 08-Feb-13 02:31:42

First feed since 9 here although he woke up & ended up in bed with me at 12 heard DH get in at 1230 - this is early for him so I'm impressed!

Mrsn you'll be fine with ibuprofen, I got given that and codeine after having 3rd deg tear and was bf then. Hope you feel better soon, is rubbish feeling so rough when you can't just curl up!

Been having the weirdest dreams tonight! X

funchum8am Fri 08-Feb-13 03:05:21

First feed here!!! about 2 hours later than normal! But we did have jabs today so may be that rather than a real sleep improvement. A few wails around midnight but not enough to make me go in, and now feeding. Feel a lot better rested, though I have a sore eye and a really sore throat suddenly, just as I thought my cold had gone sad . I hope I am not going to feel rotten this weekend for babyfunch's baptism and related family get-togethers.

susie hopefully it is just a one off bad night due to poorliness and you can graduate really soon, though we will miss you!
amey I have not been slimmer than a 16 for years but would love to be a 14. Not happening at the mo despite vaguely sensible eating, and bfing. V annoying but I am at least used to feeling fat, and at least having a baby is an excuse of sorts begins steady progress towards lifelong obesity problem

It is quiet on here recently isn't it? Hope that is down to good sleep in most cases. Hello to anyone too tired to post!

mrsn get well soon sad

First feed here too and another poo!

Larle hope you get some sleep soon.

Well done to babyloo, can you please do some baby whispering to your little friends on this thread?

MrsN I always drink hot water with juice of half a lemon, bung honey, cloves, ginger, cinnamon stick, whole garlic clove, chilli slice in there and steep for 5 mins before drinking. Glycerine & Honey for tickly cough/sore throat.

Yay for tooth babybrain, hope sleep settles down now brain.

Hope the lightshow works marbles.

One step at a time Amey, I have cut sugar out of my tea, now just to stop the cake and biscuits grin

<Waves at funch> Ah surreptitious pumping in cupboards, that takes me back. Have pm'ed you.

Right attempt at transfer number 3.

larlemucker Fri 08-Feb-13 03:28:12

Morning all, first feed here since grizzley transfer at half 11, feel quite refreshed!!
Have turned down radiator in bedroom, don't know if that's helping with sleeping.
Sorry not to name check but batt going, hope you're all sleeping

Smallgreenone Fri 08-Feb-13 03:46:32

Baby small is very snuffly and keeps waking due to blocked nose. Poor little guy. He's also now doing his late night chat show! I'm very tired. Quiet on here so hope that means sleep for most.

BrainGoneAwol Fri 08-Feb-13 04:09:54

Poor baby small. Colds are so hard on them. sad

Third wake here. Settled without a feed at 2.30, but he woke again at 3.30 & trying to do the same again now. He has just done a big fart so hoping that was the problem. He's still incredibly gurgly and fidgety though. Maybe it was a poo and he's uncomfy. But I don't want to wake I'm unnecessarily... Gah. Dilemma. Going to be a bad mother and leave it as he'll wake again if it is

Oops. Hit preview and now I can't scroll up to see other posts. Hope everyone else is getting sleep.

Poor baby small, have you raised the cot end small?

Third transfer attempt failed spectacularly. Stitch decided to get up, crawl about our bed, kick, hit, pull hair and have a good laugh about it all. I have been awake for two hours and counting including feed time. After saying to me that I shouldn't complain about being tired all the time, because I don't express milk so that he can share night feeds last night, DH got up for stitch after last transfer fail, brought her into our bed, but has then gone back to sleep angry. That is why I don't bother, he doesn't wake up if she cries generally anyway.

Still up. She has fed again, pooed again.

I ended up putting dd1 in with her dad and putting stitch in her cot with the lightshow on.

She danced about for a bit, but looks like she is going to sleep now (feeding again).

I am hoping dd1 Sleeps late this morning so I can finally get some sleep.

BrainGoneAwol Fri 08-Feb-13 06:07:29

stitch poor you! I hope you are finally getting some sleep and dd1 gives you a lie-in.
It's amazing what DH/DPs can sleep through, safe in the knowledge that we'll wake up if they don't sad

Hopefully babybrain will go back to sleep after this feed... Dropping ugh

BrainGoneAwol Fri 08-Feb-13 06:47:47

Meh. Transfer fail. Lots if wriggling.
Nappy change later we are trying again. Desperate for just a little more sleep. Babybrain seems to have other ideas since he's feeding with his eyes wide open hmm

Hope the silence is a good sign for everyone else and doesn't mean you are up and busy...

funchum8am Fri 08-Feb-13 07:28:11

stitch brain small so sorry to hear of such bad nights. I hope they nap well for you so you can catch up on a snooze today.

I feel a bit guilty saying we only had to get up the once in the night! She slept 6:45 to 6:15 with some mild grizzling for a few minutes around midnight and one feed 2:50-3:30, then DH got up with her at 6:15 shock. Starting to dare to believe....

MrsNPattz Fri 08-Feb-13 07:28:51

Thank you for all of the advice! Up for the day here as we have baby group so no point going back to sleep - do you think I'm still ok to go? I have hand gel in my bag so was just going to use that loads.

Hello everyone. Sorry for having neglected you all of late - had a truly horrible, horrible week sad on several fronts, and the sleep deprivation didn't help. Kid has been sleeping well until about 2:30 in the morning, then either staying awake or waking every 20 mins or so. Graciously deigns to have half an hour or so at 7 am, just enough time for me to sort bottles etc for the day. HOWEVER! Last night was better, and we made it to 5 am with three previous wakings before he decided to go for his circus routine. I feel like I can actually function today. Fingers crossed...
There has been so much going on in the thread that I don't have a hope of name checking, so waves to everyone and vows to keep up better. smile

Ameybee Fri 08-Feb-13 08:10:35

Well we only had one night feed at 3am but sadly several wakings. I don't get it sad if he doesn't need a feed why can't he just sleep?!? I might try swimming. He's still doing most of his feeding at night, I started a thread & someone suggested swimming & activities to make him more hungry in the day & also feeding him in a quiet dark room - bit hard with DD around. If he actually slept in the cot between feeds it would be amazing... Sigh.

Hope baby small is better soon. Funch - amazing night for you, hope its start of things to come!

Mrsn - I'm sure you will be fine to go to group.

Sorry not to name check more! X

Smallgreenone Fri 08-Feb-13 08:48:44

amey we have several night wakings and only one feed too. Last night was worse because of his snotty nose but he wakes other than that anyway but isn't hungry confused. Sounds like you've had great success funch perhaps i need to toughen up and follow your lead. I know he can fall asleep on his own because he does every night at bedtime but he just won't for the rest of the night and this talking at 3am is his latest trick!
Baby small got me up at 5.30 and is now in his pram asleep. He was in with me stitch so couldn't raise the end but his pram is slightly tilted so he's happy in there for now. Hope you got some sleep too stitch,your night sounds tough.

MissingMyMarbles Fri 08-Feb-13 11:16:03

I don't know why she isn't sleeping. I've given up trying to figure it out sad unless it is another tooth as things did get a worse then better again with the last one. Basically, I slept in the sleeping bag in the chair because she kept waking up. Only actually fed at 11, 2 and 4 (that's all I remember anyway). She settled with cuddles and head stroking the other times, and sometimes just with the rain noise. Light show would be great but she mainly kept her eyes closed hmm I lost count of transfer fails between 11 and 2 but we eventually got to settling in the cot. To say I slept in the chair I actually don't feel too bad. She's asleep on me ATM. Tying to get her to have a really long nap in the hope shell have an improved night but going to DBro's this afternoon so no idea what's going to happen.....

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Fri 08-Feb-13 17:10:31

Hi all sorry I've missed the last couple of nights, partly she has been quite good and partly been too bleary eyed to keep up.

funch and susie fantastic to hear both LOs have been so good the last few nights, really hope that's a sign of more good things to come!

goat that sounds awfully draining you poor thing, if I'd known I could have come over with extra coffee and cake for you. Hope kid is nicer to you tonight.

mrsn hope the cold doesn't last too long, being ill is so much worse when you can't just take yourself off to bed. I second the advice up thread, hot lemon & honey with a pinch of ginger <yum> and a hot steamy bath if you can get the time to yourself.

Lovely day today, went to a new toddler group locally which was fantastic, dd1 had a brilliant time and babylump was good as gold just sat on my hip running around after her big sister. I think I'm the tiredest now though!

Briefing the sleepy mice for lots of good sleeps tonight, see you all later xx

MrsNPattz Fri 08-Feb-13 19:32:05

I was feeling totally drained tonight - feel like I haven't had hubby to help for ages as he's been here, there and everywhere and I cried when I dropped my plate with my tea on it all over the floor BUT just seeing little man giggling in the bath (video on FB) totally makes it all worthwhile smile god he makes me so proud! So I am feeling exhausted and rotten but I have a happy heart smile so soppy

Thanks Heff, I know it's totally draining when you can't just curl up in bed but it's only a cold - not like it's man flu or anything blush lol missed you!

It's the wedding tomorrow, kind of looking forward to it but I won't be drinking which puts a bit of a downer on it. Will be putting pics on FB of little man in his kilt grin

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Fri 08-Feb-13 20:09:09

Bit later than usual but bedtime here for the DCs. DH took us out for a drink when he got home from work so usual bedtime routine abandoned in favour of apple juice & quavers for dd1, Pinot Grigio for me, and an ice cube in a muslin cloth for babylump grin

mrsn that video is utterly adorable, made me smile so much your little man really does love his bath time doesn't he!

Hope the poorly babies are a bit better tonight, it must be so rotten being tiny and full of cold.

Transfer coming up, crossing fingers for success as I'm ravenous and want my dinner!

MrsNPattz Fri 08-Feb-13 21:02:48

Waves to Goat - sorry you are having a tough time!

smile Heff

Bedtime here, I wonder what time I will be posting tonight?? Half 7 in the morning when my alarm goes off cause I'm getting a blow dry I hope

larlemucker Fri 08-Feb-13 21:41:53

Evening all, on app tonight for first time so hope it doesn't swallow posts. Baby larle just had massive screaming fit and wouldn't latch so have a feeling it could be a bad night.
And we're off again hmm

larlemucker Fri 08-Feb-13 23:11:05

Hope you got your tea heff
Baby larle now asleep with his head in my cleavage (dh v jealous!) I love snuggling with him but I can't sleep like this and I'm knackered!!
Hello to all, hope you all sleep well tonight. No cake to offer but did bake carrot and coriander bread today if anyone fancies something savoury

funchum8am Sat 09-Feb-13 00:03:38

goat say the word and I am there if you need anything (once we are home on Sunday). really sorry to hear life is being hard on yousad

Am in Stratford on Avon for babyfunch's baptism tomorrow....fully expecting to be struck with a thunderbolt as DH always says as I am such an unbeliever, but loads of family and friends coming probably in anticipation of thunderbolt spectacle so really looking forward to it.

FIL excelled himself tonight in front of my DM so I had a witness: "When are you going back to work?". me "25th feb, not long now". Him "Ah, so all you have to do now is lose some weight". shock He got quite a lecture!!

glad you got a night out Heff even if it involved working out what a pub could best serve a teething baby!

mrsn I will check out the bath vid!

larle I hope you have a better night than promised by earlier antics sad

larle that bread sounds scrummy! Hope baby larle gives you a break tonight.

heff mrsn funch thank you... I am feeling lighter, if a little worried that I will fall face first into our anniversary dinner tomorrow and attract the attention of the whole restaurant with loud snores!!

marbles I hope you are getting some sleep tonight.

Sleepy dust to all... Sorry still catching up on name checking!

Susieloo Sat 09-Feb-13 02:05:13

Evening all, babyloo still full of cold so has been up twice already. Dp meant to be on night duty but is being a knobhead so I'm doing it, carrot and coriander bread sounds amazing, he is snoring so I'm going to attempt some sleep.

larlemucker Sat 09-Feb-13 04:46:39

Goat I suggest plenty of coffee, hopefully that will get you through meal!!
Funch, can't wait to hear if thunder bolt appears!! I'm sure you'll have a lovely day tomorrow, and baby funch will be passed round so many people you'll be able to A. Have a drink using either hand and B. probably sleep very well!!
Baby larle just woken up, very surprised after earlier antics!
Sorry not to name check everyone, app doesn't let me see thread when replying and I have a crap memory at the moment!!!
Sprinkling sleepy dust

BrainGoneAwol Sat 09-Feb-13 05:26:24

After much crying before bed (babybrain not me, but only just!) we are on the second wake, so best sleep of the week with a whole 3 hours in one go! grin Last tooth we had two awful nights before it ssuddenly improved, so hoping we're nearly there.

mrsn sorry about your food. I think that would have tipped me over the edge. Thank goodness our little ones are so gorgeous to keep our sanity and remind us why we do it!

goat small marbles amey hope you've had better nights.

heff love the drinks order.

funch !! Hope dm gave fil an absolute roasting!

Babybrain has dropped off so attempting transfer. He's so gurgly. I wonder if it's all the drool (lovely!)

Does anyone know if there's a 6 month sleep regression? I'm being lazy in not looking it up, but sleep seems worse than just teeth. I'm beginning to worry that he's never going to get better, but I don't have the capacity to do anything other than try to cope night by night iyswim... I can't believe that always having 3-4 wakes a night is right at this age.

Anyway, going to stop feeling sorry for myself and do something constructive - get some sleep hopefully

Susieloo Sat 09-Feb-13 06:20:20

Babyloo up another twice after last post and now up for the day it would seem, brain I have just been sat here thinking that I really hope he has has such a bad night because of his cold and not some sort of sleep regression, I'm already looking forward to going to bed tonight and I've got 12 hours to get through yet!! Need brew so will make everyone one while I'm there.

Hello to everyone and hello goat if I haven't already said that and sorry things are rough for you. Hello small and larle.

Hello amey if you are around and marbles and chilli

Susieloo Sat 09-Feb-13 06:30:48

That's outrageous from your dfil funch!!!

funch have a lovely and non-thunderbolty day!

larle definitely coffee, the -stand-your-spoon-up-in-it type.

susie and brain I really sympathise on the bad nights. I with you in hoping it is a blip rather than a regression. Although they are now so seamlessly merging into one that I have no idea which regression we would be on... confused

Right. Nappy time. As always, Kid has waited for the fresh nappy before doing his morning poo.

Ameybee Sat 09-Feb-13 06:50:35

Goat hope your coffee helps! I could do with some!

We didn't have too badder night, big feed at 10 and he went till 3 with no cuddle wake ups virtually unheard of but we've co slept since 4 & he's half awake now - asleep in arms but screams if I sit down!

I gave him baby rice & pear yesterday - absolutely loved it!

Funch - that is harsh of FIL! I'd of had to bite my tounge very hard! X

MrsNPattz Sat 09-Feb-13 06:59:34

I have had 7 hours uninterrupted sleep tonight gringringrin feel like a different person! Little man woke me at 5:40 crying in his sleep, and I have been awake since then - had my shower and everything. Now he is awake feeding and I think that's him for the day. Getting my hair blow dried at 9 so had to be up early anyway.

Funch omg I would be so upset with my FIL if he was like that! You have the patience of a saint!!

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Sat 09-Feb-13 07:54:59

Hooray mrsn for a fantastic night's sleep! Have a really lovely time today at the wedding.

funch that really is an appallingly rude thing to say, was he apologetic later? Rude FIL apart, I hope you all have a wonderful day for baby funch's baptism.

brain not sure about 6 month sleep, I do remember dd1 at that age had me up about 3 times a night until she finally started sleeping through around 8 months. Hope things improve for you!

goat why do they always do that?! No matter how long its been since last change a fresh nappy is always met with a bit of a mess!

What's everyone else doing today? DH is taking us out he says, but I don't know where so hoping its good but not too energetic!

BrainGoneAwol Sat 09-Feb-13 08:03:33

goat agree. It feels like one long regression since 3.5 months.

amey glad you had a better night. Hope you get to sit down soon though!

mrsn that's amazing. Bit of an early start to the day... Hope you're not too tired later.

Babybrain woke at 6 after a last feed at 4 so I poked dp into seeing to him as it was too soon for more food. Meant I got another hour and a half. grin I feel much better, but dp is now collapsed in bed hmm.

Hope you all have good days

funchum8am Sat 09-Feb-13 09:10:23

Have been taking every opportunity to make pointed passive aggressive comments to FIL eg him "would you like to sit down?". me "no thanks, I am burning more calories by standing" grin . DH a bit embarrassed!! Think the message is getting through...

Sorry to hear of bad nights and male unhelpfulness in some cases angry. I must not be like that when I go back to work!

There just cannot be another sleep regression, it is simply not allowed!grin

Susieloo Sat 09-Feb-13 10:49:05

Have a good day funch!!

Dp has offered to do night feeds again tonight because I took over from one am this morning - the day suddenly feels much more manageable knowing I can have a gin and tonic whilst he is putting him to bed! wine

Smallgreenone Sat 09-Feb-13 19:02:34

Yay for a good night mrsn hope the wedding was good. Your piccies on Facebook are gorgeous.
Last night was the usual for us, one feed but loads of wakings for cuddles even when we co slept. I'm so tired. Going through one of my 'there is no light at the end of this tunnel days' I just don't see any progress in his sleep at all sad. I'm fed up of being permanently knackered, I know it's the same for all of us on here but some days I find it harder than others. Sorry for my moan. Off to order a takeaway and pour a glass of wine.
Hope all get some sleep.

Ameybee Sat 09-Feb-13 19:23:19

Know exactly how you feel small!! I met up with a friend yest who has baby same age and bf, he slept 5 hours at 5 weeks and has slept through since then mostly. I am very envious & can't help thinking having baby no 2 for her has been quite a different experience for her, I am enjoying baby bee so much & love him to bits but can't help thinking that more sleep would help me enjoy it more if that doesn't sound too selfish?!?

Babybee is loving the baby rice with different flavours in! Butternut squash Tomo! Our night was slightly better last night so will let you know if it continues to make a difference!

Mrsn was the wedding lovely??

Funch how was the baptism? Hope you avoided decking your cheeky FIL!

Found out there's a 5k run round our local park every sat, me and best mate are going to give the route a try under the cover of darkness to Hide all wobbly bits & not scare small children grin x

Ameybee Sat 09-Feb-13 19:34:33

Ps despite the sleep deprivation & wanting him to sleep through I still feel its going far too quick! Trying to relish all these lovely moment, just snuggling him on the bed whilst he's asleep after bottle kissing his hair. He's so perfect! Xx

MrsNPattz Sat 09-Feb-13 21:23:27

Hello all, that's me and little man come to bed - it's not fair keeping him up any longer and it's so loud! He has been so good, but I have found it quite tiring and stressful, and this will sound stupid but I have felt like a 'mum' for the first time since having him! And I have missed drinking so bad today for the first time too. It's been a lovely day, and I wouldn't change him for the world - but it's been a totally different experience than a 'pre-mummy' wedding! I'm very happy to be upstairs just us too, him having a sleepy feed and just cuddling up to him.

Hope you all have a good night - no doubt I will have a drunk, snoring hubby to contend with at some point!!

MrsNPattz Sat 09-Feb-13 22:33:57

4 transfer fails and he's back on the boob - I don't know what's wrong, I don't know if it's the cot but then I just tried to lie down on the bed with him and the same thing happened. He just starts really crying until I pick him up. I want to go home sad

larlemucker Sat 09-Feb-13 22:58:57

Oh mrsn hope he settles down and you get some sleep soon.

Baby larle has hardly napped today so has slept this eve meaning he is only just getting his nighttime top up bottle. Wish he would nap more during the day, he had massive bags under his eyes this eve. Went to my sisters today, her dd is 7 and baby larle loves her, never seen him smile so much it was so cute.

Small hope you have a better night tonight.

Amey, so lovely when they snuggle up to you. Makes (some) of the sleepless nights worthwhile!!!

Hoping for a good nights sleep for everyone

MrsNPattz Sat 09-Feb-13 23:31:17

Hubby came and got him settled but a door closing has just woken him. I can see me driving home at 2am at this rate blush

funchum8am Sun 10-Feb-13 00:31:40

argh mrsn how are you getting on? hope you haven't had to drive home but if it did I hope he sleeps ok once there sad sad

Babyfunch was baptized and the priest said she was an angel, so it is official then grin. ie he has never had her overnight! She was a star though, very little crying despite ceremony being at nap time.

My family kinda stalked us, and came and joined us in the pub with our school/uni mates after dinner which was just madly weird but somehow all was quite home and hoping babyfunch will sleep ok as we are both tired and possibly a bit pissed.

Sprinkling sleepy dust to one and all!

BrainGoneAwol Sun 10-Feb-13 00:43:53

Hmm, heff I hope it improves before then, I'm a bit at the end of my tether.

Lol, funch, that's clearly the way to deal with fil.

small and amey I'm with you there. It seems the majority of babies sleep better than babybrain sad. I absolutely want to feed on demand, not leave him to cry etc, but it's getting harder and harder to drag myself out of bed. I don't know whether to wake dp to settle him and try to wean him off so many night feeds... I also feel irrationally guilty about waking dp. Does anyone else feel like that?

mrsn poor you and ds both. Being in a strange place with all different sounds and smells is hard on them.

On a different note babybrain was being hilarious earlier. He took ages to settle for sleep and was blowing impressive raspberries grin He totally got the idea of copying me or dp and thought this was hysterical. I do just love his laughter grin I know we weren't helping sleep but it clearly wasn't happening by that stage

Hoping for sleep for all of you

Glad babyfunch's christening went well funch shock @ rude fil!

MrsN if you are in a strange place with strange noises he will want to be closer to you for security. If you have a top or one of dh shirts already worn with your smell on it tuck it over the cot mattress, it might help him settle if he smells your familiar smell in the strange cot.

Aw Amey snuggles are lovely.

grin @ babybrain's raspberries, I love it when babies learn that trick, still got hilarious video of dd1 doing similar always makes me smile

Goat, stitch always waits for the fresh nappy before pooing, I am hoping that it will help her with potty training as she likes a clean bum.

<Waves to Heff,small,.Susie and all>

Right transfer attempt 3, little minx seems to sense my attempt to move her from our bed and flails about when I try to put her into her own cot.

Smallgreenone Sun 10-Feb-13 02:31:21

I love the giggles too brain, I had to video baby small the other morning when he was finding something hilarious at 5.30 am, didnt help sleep but had to be done. We're on two hourly wakings here sad.
mrsn how is he now?
I'm wondering about night weaning too brain which is why I only feed him once at 3 but he still wakes and crys. Resettles easily but I'm still wide awake. Going to attempt half an hour of sleep before our 3am feeding.

Ameybee Sun 10-Feb-13 03:21:18

Oh no mrsn! That's exactly what baby bee was like in travel cot at my mums - I just co slept in end - laid down still cuddling him and gradually slid him onto bed beside me!
It will just be a new place etc like others have said. Its hard work staying away from home! Do you have pram with you? Could try that if it gets much later xxx

MrsNPattz Sun 10-Feb-13 03:37:05

We co slept til now, but as hubby has been drinking I had to move him and he woke up crying literally as his head hid the cot! Feeding now and hubby might have to sleep on the floor blush

larlemucker Sun 10-Feb-13 04:48:51

Question is small why do they giggle and smile when it's the middle of the night?
I'm struggling to keep eyes open, baby larle asleep after feeding but not deep enough to move.
Mrsn I really hope you are managing to get some sleep.
Hello to everyone else <waves>

Need to sleep!!

jemima86 Sun 10-Feb-13 05:00:42

Good morning all.
My first post on MN awake with 18 day old DD in a feeding coma on me after a ridiculously short feed. Knowing as soon as she goes down she will be hungry again!

BrainGoneAwol Sun 10-Feb-13 05:17:57

Well, after all that I'm on second waking which is the best we've had for weeks. Trying not to be hopeful that something has turned a corner. Maybe he read my post about night weaning!

mrsn hope you all got sleep. On the floor or otherwise...

larle quite. Middle of the night is always a time of extremes if babybrain wakes fully - either for wailing or for laughing. [hm]

small I should have recorded it one way or another. Might try a repeat later today grin

Babybrain actually feeding fully for a change having woken less. Maybe I should take a leaf out of your book small and reduce the times I offer to feed in the night. hmm

BrainGoneAwol Sun 10-Feb-13 05:21:47

Welcome Jemima, though my sympathies that you find yourself here hmm

Has anyone heard from our twins recently? I was talking about how on earth people cope with multiples earlier. Hope the silence is for good reasons smile

MrsNPattz Sun 10-Feb-13 06:56:54

We co slept again until now, hubby had to get back into bed from the floor as he was freezing and it woke us both. Definitely worst night in a long time. Feeding again now and I hope we can manage some more sleep. Thanks for hoping for me!

Haven't heard from the twins for a while! Hope they are all doing ok.

Welcome Jemima!

Smallgreenone Sun 10-Feb-13 07:05:40

Hi jemima, welcome.
So we were up at 12.30, 2.30, 3.30, 6 and now........... I'm shattered. DH has taken him so I'm going to try and get back to sleep. Once his cold has gone I'm going to get tough as I just can't do this anymore sad. I need some sleep and I also need someone else to be able to put him to sleep. DH tried last night but failed. Poor baby small has some sleep training coming up once his cold has gone but I do believe him and us will be happier for it once we're all getting more sleep.

Sorry to hear about all the bad nights last night - mrsn being away from home with a wakeful baby is even worse! Hope he settled eventually.
Poor Kid has a horrible cold too, so snuffled and coughed his way through the night, as well as puking most of his feed. Is now lying there looking very sorry for himself. Maybe he will sleep lots today to recover is there a pleadingly hopeful emoticon
funch hope you had a lovely day, and that you kept your FIL in line!
Welcome, Jemima.
We had a wonderful anniversary dinner yesterday and I stayed awake! The restaurant was lovely and even gave us a free glass of champagne... Maybe helps that we are regulars, seem to end up there for most big events - even got engaged on the premises. As DH said, it was however slightly bizarre to have a leisurely, uninterrupted meal with no accompanying wailing commentary!

Ameybee Sun 10-Feb-13 07:49:50

Welcome Jemima!

Small we had a very similar night & he didn't really even want 3am bottle so I'm getting tough soon too! X

larlemucker Sun 10-Feb-13 08:06:00

Hi jemima, sorry you have had to join us!
After last post baby larle has only just woken up, not like him at all! We're normally up every hour after the first waking! Maybe he should have his bottle later.
Going to start trying to express again as I'd like to get him off the formula if possible. I know it's silly but I feel guilty giving him a top up bottle even though I think it's saved my sanity!
Sounds like you got some sleep mrsn, hope you get to catch up today

funchum8am Sun 10-Feb-13 09:45:24

Sympathies to all having bad nights sad and welcome jemima

I can recommend trying cc sleep training, it is helping us.

funchum8am Sun 10-Feb-13 09:51:35

Sorry posted too soon!
We are away from home this weekend for babyfunch's baptism so cc partially suspended but the three days we tried it last week were SO much better. I hope we can continue successfully when we get home.

Baptism went well except the priest said a few rather strident things about atheism, when he knew full well the majority of the guests were not religious. No one was offended but it did make me feel even more squirmy at the religious things I had to agree to during the ceremony eg renouncing the devil! DH and his family are really happy with how it went which is the main thing, and was lovely to see family and friends.

BrainGoneAwol Sun 10-Feb-13 10:39:36

I'm not sure I have the heart to do cc. Babybrain has 3 states; wide awake, fast asleep and crying. He doesn' seem to do the drowsy part that everyone talks about. There's no opportunity to calm him and then put him back in his bed to self settle - he simply immediately wails again until eventually one of the times he's picked up to be calmed he falls asleep on me.
The one time I tried to let him cry in his bed (I had a hand on his tummy for comfort) in the hope he'd stop on his own, he screamed for 45 mins, red and sweating, until I couldn't do it anymore. sad
Don't know how to do cc

BrainGoneAwol Sun 10-Feb-13 10:40:53

Oops posted to soon.

Don't know how to do cc or ssh-pat in those circumstances. Does anyone else's dc do this?

MrsNPattz Sun 10-Feb-13 11:30:14

Well it's just been a bit of a disaster this staying overnight. Just been swimming but it was too cold, and we are all shattered, we didn't get anymore sleep earlier. Going for a Carvery this afternoon - could do without that. Can't wait to get home! Thanks for your support last night, I hope things return to normal tonight blush

Ameybee Sun 10-Feb-13 14:53:26

Brain how old is baby brain again? I used baby whisperer solves all your problems book, basically you lay them down & if they cry pick them up but put down as soon as they stop then ssh pat for a bit & repeat until they give in (it does eventually happen) but you don't let them go to sleep on you x

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Sun 10-Feb-13 18:43:31

Evening all, and welcome jemima, congratulations on your new baby smile

Last night was amazing, only one waking!! She went down at half 7 ish, woke for a really good feed around 1 then went through til 7 this morning grin I woke up a few times when she grumbled but each time she seemed to be about to wake up she snuffled and went back to sleep, couldn't believe it. Wondering what tonight has in store, she's been very snotty today so hoping that doesn't upset her too much.

brain we're doing a mixture of approaches, bf to sleep most nights but more often than not she wakes on transfer so I've been shushing and stroking her head provided she's not upset, and then leaving her to just grumble if all goes ok but picking her up for a cuddle if she gets upset. Ewan has been helping too, his front right leg is very relaxing! I think I'm maybe more laid back about cuddling/feeding to sleep as at the moment I just want her to go to sleep, when she's older if we have reliance issues I'll deal with them then. I'm also aware of how I wish I'd not put so much pressure on myself re sleep training when dd1 was little so maybe I'm compensating by becoming a humongous soft touch now!

goat really glad you enjoyed your meal, how was kid without you?

funch good to hear it went well, are you all back home now?

Attempting transfer now, see you all later xx

Ameybee Sun 10-Feb-13 19:12:08

Heff - one waking - jealous! grinHow did your DH's job interview go?

I'm knackered tonight - today I was up at 650 with DS after a crap night, I've done a load of ironing, cleaned bathroom done x2 lots of washing, dusted cleaned changed all beds, made soup and purées for weaning & played with the kids - ready to drop now! X

Ameybee Sun 10-Feb-13 19:14:34

Mrsn hope you're home sweet home & ok! It is hard work being away from home. We need to reschedule going to my brothers but I'm dreading it because we will all be in one room & I would be doubtful of any sleep whatsoever plus their kids get up at 545 every day confused! X

funchum8am Sun 10-Feb-13 19:58:46

Nice work heff one waking sounds like bliss!

brain I totally understand how you feel about cc and think we are just lucky that we have found it works for us; certainly doesn't mean it is right for anyone else. One thing I have found is that babyfunch doesn't go to sleep if I am patting, shushing or making my presence felt at all - if we leave her alone though she mostly drops off within minutes. I realise this makes her very unusual! So my experience may not be very useful to others I am afraid.

We are now home and ready to get back to our usual routine but babyfunch has a cough and cold so cc may have to be suspended til she recovers. She has been asleep since 4pm save being woken for bath and feed at 6 so likely to get up super early sad

Good luck everyone for lovely long sleeps tonight smile

ChilliBanana Sun 10-Feb-13 20:39:13

Hi all, apologies for radio silence but had a few really bad nights in a row and was almost too tired to hold baby chilli, let alone post.

brain baby chilli is like your baby, I never seem to get a chilled out sleepy period and he always cries before sleep. I had some success yesterday with shh/pat with him lying on the sofa next to me, but it all went pear shaped today when dh was home. We'll try again tomorrow though, hopefully the success continues.

Those of you night weaning - how do you know they're not hungry, is it because they'll settle without a feed? Baby chilli woke every hour and a half last night and I didn't think it was possible he was hungry so I tried to settle him before feeding but it was a bit disastrous. He fed for quite a while each time though, not sure if it's another growth spurt but he's already ginormous - 20lb 11oz at 21weeks! Not quite sure what to do, which is becoming my standard operating procedure at the moment smile

heff one waking sounds heavenly, fingers crossed it continues!
mrsn you poor thing, I hope you all get more sleep tonight as compensation.
amey wow, bit of a superwoman - you're welcome to come round mine and work your magic.
Welcome jemima, but I hope you don't end up having to spend too much time onthis thread.

Waves to all, spreading sleepy dust in the process.

MrsNPattz Sun 10-Feb-13 20:46:45

Zzzzzz about sums it up! Hubby and I are desperate for little man to sleep but he's not playing ball and we have no energy to get him there. Hate lack of sleep - I don't function well.

Heff - very pleased for you re one waking - I hope it continues!

Amey I have my mum coming on Saturday so I must tackle the cleaning but I despise it and am dreading it! Good on you for being a busy bee today - send some mojo to me please lol

Good luck tonight everyone!

BrainGoneAwol Sun 10-Feb-13 22:12:10

mrsn hope you are home all safe and settled.

Useful to read the thoughts on settling. amey babybrain is 24 weeks today, so 5.5 calendar months.

heff I had sort of been thinking he'd sort himself out at some point, and while I still think that's probably true, I'm not sure I can wait for that to happen! I think I need to decide what to do and just go for it. I might try settling in the night without a feed if it's less than his usual gap during the day - so 3 hours. Perhaps it dissuade him and make the actual feed more effective.

funch yeah. Agree it seems to work for some and not others. Ho hum. It would be nice if there was a standard!

chilli I know how long babybrain can go in the day and at night he literally has two sucks and starts to drop off other times he just wants to chat or play hmm

Sorry for the very 'me me' post. Hope you all have good nights smile

jemima86 Sun 10-Feb-13 22:45:44

Thanks for the warm welcome!

And so the night feeding begins!
Daddy has gone to bed to get some sleep before his shift and what utter rubbish on tv, def going to need some help staying awake, yawn.

Smallgreenone Sun 10-Feb-13 23:11:48

brain baby small is 24 weeks today too! They are birthday buddies and also rubbish sleepers!!! I have been in bed since 7 and baby small has gone to bed and had another bottle and has just woken again. I have been in and replaced his dummy several times and he has cried with me going in at 1 minute intervals. We got to 3 minutes and all is quiet so am hoping he has gone back to sleep. Will potter for a bit before going back to bed.
amey well done on productivity! We've got guests next weekend and the guest room is so dusty I am dreading going in there but must make myself do it next week.
Night night all. Will be back later unfortunately!

Smallgreenone Sun 10-Feb-13 23:22:31

He isn't asleep he's just screamed! Went in and he'd pooed so he now has a clean nappy and is watching his light show. When it finishes I shall probably just give up and bring him in here with me!!

Susieloo Sun 10-Feb-13 23:32:12

Hello everyone, I am back on night duty and on first feed of the night, bit gutted that he has not decided to go back to sleeping through pre cold, he was up with dp three times last night so I'm expecting the same.

Welcome jemima and hello marbles, hope you are ok

Hoping for an easy transfer and then another long stretch, have good nights everyone.

BrainGoneAwol Mon 11-Feb-13 00:40:10

Ooh, birthday buddies. Babybrain wave and say hello. Oh, you're sleeping... On me... What a surprise! hmm

small hope baby small fell asleep.

Susie hope sleeping improves again

Meh. Very sleepy. Stopping while I can still type hmm

Welcome jemima and congratulations on your new baby thanks

A rough night small and MrsN hope you get a better one tonight.

Glad your anniversary meal went well Goat smile

Brain I am firmly (as one mnetter put it) in the ride the mo fo out camp. With dd1 I waited until she stopped falling asleep at her bedtime feed to do the self settle routine, she was 18 months. She always fell asleep for her dad without feeding though. There is no right solution, just the one that works for you.

Heff! One waking you lucky thing.

Amey you superwoman. I never feel like I get enough done.

Hello Susie, Chilli, marbles et al smile

Had a bad night last night, with both kids up one after the other. DH gave me a lie in today though.

Spent the day packing up little baby bits to go on ebay, made me really broody. Even DH had to leave the room and go and cuddle Stitch when he saw all the newborn stuff out on our bed.

In other news Stitch has learnt to climb up on the sofa which means she cannot be left even for a second now <tears hair out>. She is just going to have to spend more time in the playpen or I will never get anything done. Bring back the days when she just sat in the bouncy chair watching the washing machine!

BrainGoneAwol Mon 11-Feb-13 01:09:20

Well, despite babybrain snoring when he went in his bed, just as I pulled the duvet over me he did a loud scream and started crying hmm silly me for thinking I'd got off lightly with just a half hour waking

Given him teething gel and he's now snoring on me again. Poor lil boy. Second attempt.

I hear you stitch. How did you cope with the lack of sleep? I'm worrying for my mental state! confused

BrainGoneAwol Mon 11-Feb-13 01:22:31

Transfer fail again. This isn't like babybrain. He wakes often, but usually goes to his bed ok. Think he's really struggling with his teeth tonight sad

Attempting number 3 shortly.

Think I'll calpol him if this one fails.

Susieloo Mon 11-Feb-13 02:52:56

Up again sad

I'm half excited half dreading the next stage when he starts to crawl stitch, I'm hoping I'll be able to bung him in his travel cot with loads of toys so I can get some stuff done.

Stitch has just woken up having a full on screaming nightmare. She settled quite quickly once her dad had brought her to me for boob, but the sobbing sad

Susieloo Mon 11-Feb-13 04:42:55

Up again, losing the will to live now.....