How to keep 5 month old on milk-only

(56 Posts)
Purplelooby Mon 14-Jan-13 22:31:30

Sorry if this should have been on the weening board - I couldn't decided!

DS (EFF, fed on demand, 21 weeks) is a greedy little monkey. He is now downing 8 oz bottled and wanting more - he is also getting hungry every 2 hours. He isn't acting how he normally does during a growth spurt and he only finished a quite big one recently. He is also getting also fussy during and after feeds and at the moment, feeding seems to be an easy way to ruin his good mood! Also, his reflux is getting worse again and if I up his feed, he gets really vomity and fussy.

He is showing a lot of 'ready for weening' signs - grabbing, putting objects in mouth, sits unaided (but only in 'tripod') and can sit in highchair, feeds himself water from sippy cup. He also now cries when he watches us eat (or drink). The thing is, I respect the research and want to push him as close to 6 months as I can.

Any ideas what I can do? Current suggestions from others are:
- Hungry baby milk
- Baby rice in bottle
- Deal with it (although this seems very unfair on DS)

What would you do?

Purplelooby Mon 14-Jan-13 22:33:27

Sorry I've just read this post back - awful typing but it's late and I'm tired!!

What research are you referring to? I think the research looks to have fairly mixed results with regard to weaning in the 4-6 month range.

Never put baby rice/porridge in a bottle, it can cause a big lump and make them choke. Just give him some softly mixed baby rice if you want to give some, 5 months is pretty good. I'm sure I started giving my two sticks of pear and banana at that age to munch on. Hungry baby milk is also an idea but if I recall correctly it just keeps them satisfied for longer, it doesn't have any extra calories in it.

This is quite a nice summary. The 6 month guidance seems to be based on WHO guidance which may be more relevant to countries with poor sanitation as the aim is to stick to EBF to minimise episodes of gastroenteritis. This may not be relevant to an EFF baby with good food hygiene available.

ZuleikaD Tue 15-Jan-13 05:52:48

If he can sit up in a highchair and feed himself a banana, then chew and swallow it without gagging, then you could try that - baby led weaning is a pretty reliable guide to whether they're ready for solids. If it all comes out again (ie gag and tongue-thrust reflex haven't moved to the back of the mouth but are still at the front) then he's not ready.

It's also important to remember that baby rice has FEWER calories than milk so will leave him hungrier. In fact there's nothing of any nutritional value in it at all. James is also correct about hungry baby milk not having any more calories, it's just a slightly differently processed milk protein. Normal formula is the highest calorie option at this point.

acrabadabra Tue 15-Jan-13 13:09:05

I would just wean him tbh, though I say that with hindsight.

Ds was reluctantly weaned at 21 weeks as he became insatiable. He was taking 8x 8oz bottles a day!! And it was hungry baby stuff. Made no odds.

Looking back I was a total idiot. He weaned v quickly and in a little over a fortnight was on 3 meals a day with pudding after lunch and tea. Some of his peers who weaned earlier were still struggling by this time but, imho, they were weaned too early (16-20 weeks).

He was a big boy when he was born (10 days late), could hold his head up from birth, never lost weight after birth despite us having bf issues. But he was pfb.
They are guidelines. And as pp said, more aimed at countries with poor sanitation/clean water issues.

cornflakegirl Tue 15-Jan-13 13:28:27

The 6 month guideline is to do with the digestive system being developed enough to process solid food rather than sanitation, so applies to children in developed countries too.

And what Zuleika said.

If bigger feeds aren't helping, can you just feed more often instead? (Because even if you do wean, he'll probably still need more milk because he won't get many calories from the food to start with.)

ZuleikaD Tue 15-Jan-13 13:30:27

Actually it's not just to do with hygiene in developing countries - the guidance in the UK about keeping them on milk until 6m is more to do with gut issues in later life. As I understand it there's research (which I now can't find the link to, of course, but will keep looking) linking the prevalence of gut issues and ulcers in the current 35-plus population with the guidance in the 70s and 80s to wean from four months. In other words, weaning early, before the gut can properly digest solids, can cause gut problems much further down the line.

Tbh if my baby was drinking so much milk she was sick id wean. In fact that's what I did do. Even though it was early (four months) I didn't see point in going against what she wanted. She wanted food, milk wasnt lasting and she was puking it up.

ZuleikaD Tue 15-Jan-13 13:36:57

The amount of food they can actually digest has fewer calories than milk.

WantAnOrange Tue 15-Jan-13 16:56:11

Baby milk is very high in calories and fat. Fruit and veg wont come close to being as filling as milk, and baby rice is just stodge that makes them feel full but gives them less.

The advice is based on the maturation of the gut which happens between 17 and 26 weeks. The thing is you dont know if your babies gut has matured at 17 weeks or 26 weeks. This has nothing to do with your babies size, whether they can hold their head up etc. Grabbing things and mouthing them is a normal developmental phase as is to do with learning, not feeding.

If your baby is hungry, he needs more milk. If he becomes upset at this or it doesnt solve the problem, then he's not hungry. Something else could be bothering him. I would say it sounds like his reflux is the problem rather than hunger.

Purplelooby Tue 15-Jan-13 20:18:38

Firstly - thanks everyone for comfirming what I already thought about baby rice. I now have more weight with which to beat my relatives off.

Zuleika Thanks for the banana idea! I put some banana in front of him today and he shoved it into his mouth, gagged and then pushed it to the front with his tongue, so I can say with confidence that I am not weening him yet :D which is good because I didn't want to anyway - hence this post.

Can I just please say though angry wantanorange it really isn't on to suggest that I don't know whether my baby is hungry or not. I've lived with his reflux long enough - yes it is getting worse, because I'm feeding him beyond what he can take. I can't really feed him more often either because I feed him on demand and it's already every 2 hours (today it was even more often).

So... still no ideas where to go from here. HV suggested hungry baby milk because we're both pretty convinced that he doesn't need any more calories (he's shooting up the centiles and getting really very fat - plus eating much more than the guidelines suggest). Does anyone have experience with it?

FestiveFiggy Tue 15-Jan-13 21:44:01

My DS was having 50+oz milk a day by that age his tummy was bloated he was on 99th centile (from 91st at birth) had started feeding again every 2.5hrs (we never got to more than 3hrs ever) and was a little blister. we just started weaning him with purée and mashed veg then few weeks later introduced finger foods he is now 12 months and am still to find something he wont eat and miraculously hes dropped all his daytime milk feeds with no drama.

He grabbed the spoon first time we tried it and fed himself as if to say "why have u been holding out for so long" angry.

Guidelines are just guidelines they don't suit every baby I don't believe that they do just need more milk my DS certainly didn't he needed food and that's what we gave him.

Purplelooby Tue 15-Jan-13 22:58:04

I've just read the document that you linked "breathslowely* and it's very interesting. Especially this:

*In developed countries there are no reported disadvantages to beginning weaning onto solid foods between 4 and 6 months compared with waiting until 6 months (EFSA 2009).
A recent study of hospitalisation rates due to gastroenteritis or respiratory tract infection in the UK showed that these rates were higher in infants fed on infant formula compared to infants being breastfed but were unrelated to the age at which term infants, regardless of their milk feed, are weaned onto solid food (Quigley et al 2009)*

and

The age range recommended for beginning weaning should not be changed unless there is strong scientific evidence as frequent changes in policy undermine the credibility of HCPs with parents.

I'm a scientist with a PhD in Biochemistry, and I often get hmm when people make claims on here that seem a bit under-supported by evidence. I'm going to try to read all of the research articles in the next week and make a proper judgement - I'll share my findings on the weening board if anyone cares wink.

Purplelooby Tue 15-Jan-13 22:58:58

festivefiggy LMAO at "little blister"... DS isn't far off that himself!

DD's first foods were her gumming at pear and mango that I was eating, so she ended up with a bit of puree as a result rather than lumps. The pear was a whole one with a couple of bit cut out to make a baby mouth size bit, but DD or I held the whole pear. Bits of ripe mango were peeled to about half way down so that DD had some non-slippery skin to hold. These work after 6 months too smile.

Purplelooby Wed 16-Jan-13 11:56:47

I've decided to try out hungry baby milk and so far he seems to be more settled on it, although he is a bit more windy.

However I have to say, from reading the research so far, I actually can't work out how the WHO have drawn up these global guidelines. And I've learnt how to spell weaning.

One thing I found with the hungry milk is that my dd took much less of it as it didn't sit as well and filled her up more and as a result I ended up having to feed her more often than I was already. Really screwed up her feeding routine. Hope it works for your ds smile

Purplelooby Wed 16-Jan-13 12:33:50

Oh dear caffiene that's not good... In fact, it sort of defeats the point! DS has taken about an ounce less each time. His first couple of feeds were good but this last one was pretty rough sad

Why does weaning seem to be the only answer??

Because babies don't conform to rules. There's always going to be some who fall either side. Dd1 was ready at four months no tongue thrust pushing it out, nothing she wolfed it down. I was careful not to push it but she thrived and by five months was on three meals a day. Dd2 on other hand I started at five months but she was very much the "I just want a taste" kind of baby. She didn't eat meals til 8 months there abouts. She was happy just to try little bits up till that point. Each baby is different. And there's no rule that says you have to start with baby rice. That didn't agree with dd2 at all she liked banana. and dd1s first taste was melon. I'm
Not a scientist and many will disagree with the ages I started at and they will do what they feel is best for their children as will you smile i started after a horrendous day of dd1 guzzling so much milk she just lay there bloated and uncomfortable. Topped off by vomiting up half her bottle, as she couldnt take any more milk. more than she had ever thrown up in fact she was never sick. If u don't want to wean then just keep on doing what you are doing. It's not cruel if you believe that's what's best. smile

Iggly Wed 16-Jan-13 12:56:02

Babies need more than milk around 6 months, hence it being the answer.

I'd try spoons of baby rice mixed with milk. My reflux babies did better with a mix of smooth foods (which I let them self feed) and soft finger foods.

Reflux babies tend to have a strong gag reflex so I wouldn't use the banana incident as any guidance on introducing solids.

Mashed potato might be a start. It's low allergenic u can mix it with his milk and if u chicken out u can freeze in an ice cube tray for when u feel happier about doing it. smile

WantAnOrange Wed 16-Jan-13 14:33:48

I have no idea why you are angry with me. You said he becomes upset if you offer him more food so why do you think he's hungry? You said you are feeding him beyond what he can take then insist he is hungry. I'm not following you at all I'm afraid. I'm giving a logical reply based on the evidence that you have provided and you became offended. Doesn't make sense.

Purplelooby Wed 16-Jan-13 20:25:52

I'm not angry at you orange but there wasn't an emoticon for 'miffed'. I'm sorry if my post was snappy, I guess I am sensitive about it (and I appreciate that this isn't your fault) because as a newborn, DS was unable to control his appetite and it was a long, rather upsetting, journey to understand that this was down to silent reflux (e.g. 'he is hungry - feed him!' when I knew deep down that he wasn't) - it has taken me a lot of time and experience to understand his cues properly and work out when he is hungry and when it is the reflux talking.
Let me explain why I know he is hungry and I hope it makes sense... Reflux gets worse when more milk is fed, obviously. Basically, before he is sated his reflux starts, so he is asking for more milk, he is trying to take more milk, he will cry when the bottle is taken away and cry for it back until we reach a kind of 'stop feeding' equilibrium. This isn't totally uncommon for babies with silent reflux, but at the moment he is crying much harder and more insistently for milk and is also getting hungrier much quicker between feeds - when he gets hungry, his reflux tends to start as he makes anticipatory stomach acid and he starts puking (also smacks his lips and cries his hungry cry, obviously).

I hope you will accept my apology for being snappy, but also appreciate a bit why.

You sound like you know your son extremely well purple and it is possible that this is a growth spurt in which case a few days and he will be back to normal. U will just need to ride thru it for a few days. I have had two formula fed babies and they have never fed two hourly not even as new borns. Formula fed babies often go longer than breast fed babies as its easier to suck from a bottle rather than a breast and therefor they take more milk. If this keeps up more than a few days then u might have to consider that he may need weaning.

You could try water. I heard that reflux babies often suck alot as it sooths them.so what about a dummy? Do u think a bottle of water would be worth a try. It's often recommended with formula anyway to provide cooled boiled water as unlike breast milk it's not as thirst quenching ?

I really hope u find your solution op x

Iggly Wed 16-Jan-13 21:03:06

My two had silent reflux - I was going to suggest a dummy. It took a few goes to find the right one.

Also if he's got silent reflux, have you considered different milk ie hypo allergenic stuff? Cows milk protein intolerance tends to go hand in hand with silent reflux and I know my two's reflux was easier to manage once I cut all dairy out. Ds didn't out grow his until he was 18month plus - I remember giving him a kids jar meal with traces of milk at around 9 months and he ended up having acid coming out of his nose shock and if he had a yoghurt (I was testing his reaction), he's tell me it hurt sad

lotsofcheese Wed 16-Jan-13 21:16:18

I'd also wean him personally. There is evidence to suggest that early weaning can increase the incidence of allergies. But not that delayed introduction can protect. There is also the theory that waiting till 26 weeks means that a physiological stage is missed, regarding chewing.

I have a number of friends who are paediatric dietitians - all weaned before 26 weeks after reviewing the evidence.

And it may help the reflux too.

Finally, baby led weaning isn't the only way to do it & perhaps isn't the best approach for a reflux baby (who is more likely to struggle/gag going straight onto solids). Smooth consistencies might be easier to manage.

Good luck!!

Purplelooby Wed 16-Jan-13 21:33:31

caffiene, iggly and cheese thank you so so much - you've all cheered me right up after my last post thanks

DS uses a dummy (after experimenting we found that he likes the Mam dummies) and he is very very very sucky ! I did hear that silent reflux causes this and it seems true for him - when his dummy isn't in he sucks his thumb and sometimes he manages both which is impressive to behold. He also drinks water - he wouldn't take it from a bottle but now he uses a sippy cup - it does seem to give him some comfort and it helps his wind to come up.

cheese I've also been reading the literature in the last few days and you are right. I'm actually quite shocked at the lack of evidence for the WHO guidelines in developed countries. Every paper I could find (so far) in developed countries could only find links to allergies/grastoenteritis when weening occured before 3 months. Some didn't even find that. Also, that there are definite negatives if 6 months is reached and weaning has not begun. And... to agree with you even more grin I remember reading that baby-led weaning doesn't really work for reflux babies because they can't regulate their appetites.

To add, the doctor who delivered my son seems to have a strong opinion that, developmentally, waiting until 6 months is bad and that mothers should be supported to wean their baby at the individual correct time, even if it is less than 3 months.

Your baby, your choice smile you sound pretty well informed and holding out is great many do hang on til six months and some even beyond. I'm not saying ditch the data, after all it's there for a reason so people can research and make informed decisions. Unfortunately ur baby doesn't sound like he's listened grin no one can tell you what to do, but just don't torture yourself if u make a decision that goes against what you previously believed. As important as being informed is, it's also important to know your baby (which sounds like you do!! ) and to trust in yourself!!! You will make the decision that suits u and your son. There will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees!! They aren't important it's what YOU think is best!!!

Iggly Wed 16-Jan-13 22:06:19

The thing is, putting aside the silent reflux, he might be ready to wean.

Silent reflux complicates things as it changes how you wean.

lotsofcheese Wed 16-Jan-13 22:10:54

Just another thought: is your DS teething just now? It could explain a lot of his symptoms. My DS's reflux was much worse when teething.

WantAnOrange Thu 17-Jan-13 07:05:55

I totally get your point about feeling emotional about it and I'm sorry if my suggestion came across as critical in anyway, this was not my intention.

I would be interested in reading the evidence against waiting until 6 months. I'm doing a degree in Early Years Care and everything I've read suggests that before 17 weeks, weaning is not good, after 26 weeks weaning is fine, but inbetween that you dont know so its best to wait.

I also thought of teething. I spent 2 days last week thinking DD was having a growth spurt and, as another mumsnetter so beautifully put it, "trying to shove a tit in her mouth", before I realised she wasnt hungry, she has nearly cut a tooth! I found her behaviour to very similiar, so I didnt notice the difference.

Whatever you choose, you've clearly gone out of your way to make an informed choice so what more could anyone ask?

OnlyWantsOne Thu 17-Jan-13 07:19:42

With reflux, my dd would drink for comfort. Then would drink too much & vomit and be distressed. My money is on him drinking for comfort too.

Go back to your GP and get reflux meds sorted.

Please don't wean him earlier.

Purplelooby Thu 17-Jan-13 20:24:30

Update time!

I tried hungry baby milk for a day... disaster. Just as caffeine said, he drank less and then got hungry more often. But also, his reflux was so much work. Oh and his poos were like plasticine. So back to first baby milk.

onlywantsone DS is very much a comfort-eater. This is actually a pain in the arse for 1000 reasons, one of which links to your second sentance - I've been to GP so many times, but because DS is putting plenty of weight on (he's gome from the 2nd to above the 25th centile) and is clearly very healthy, he will not put me on more than Gaviscon. He also won't let me up the dose of Gaviscon even though it's much too low for his weight because I think he thinks I'm making it up. I've been to all 3 GPs in the practice about this too.

But also... is it worse to wean him than to medicate him at 5 months? Meds have a lot of ingredients other than the active which I'm sure are no better for the gut (almost certainly worse) than carrot and banana.

Iggly Thu 17-Jan-13 20:38:09

With ds, my PFB, I was adamant I must wait to wean. With my second, we weaned earlier. Both had silent reflux. Looking back I could have done it earlier with ds as he was ready.

So, read your Op again. You said he had the signs, so why not try? Small spoon of puree? What is your worry?

lotsofcheese Thu 17-Jan-13 21:18:51

Just to answer your question about reflux meds: it is better to have reflux treated, in order to avoid food-related behavioural issues with your DS. Reflux babies tend to be poor eaters as they have the association between food/milk & pain/vomiting. Treating the reflux is important in avoiding this. The acid irritates/erodes the bottom of the oesophagus & puts them off food, to say the least. I would say that's far more damaging to his gut than early weaning.

I sympathise with you in trying to get reflux taken seriously by GP's. "But all babies are sick" said my GP. Yes, but not 4-6 large projectile vomits daily when he's at the bottom of the growth chart, I pointed out.

Gaviscon only works in mild cases of reflux. Frequently other medications are required: eg omeprazole/ranitidine and domperidone. My DS was referred to a gastroenterologist as he was at the severe end of the spectrum, and is finally off medication just short of his 4th birthday.

Most outgrow reflux by the age of 2 & it improves with weaning & being able to sit up. Coughs, colds & teething made it worse.

Purplelooby Thu 17-Jan-13 21:58:12

Grrrr cheese it makes me so annoyed thinking about my times in the GP's office. They honestly treat me like a stupid, paranoid Mum. What really gets me is that he was actually first diagnosed with reflux on a children's ward (for a different reason) at 5 days old when he was sicking whole feeds up. The paed offered to help sort it out there and then, but it would have meant staying on the ward longer so I foolishly said that I would go to my GP. If I could rewind time... Anyway, it is worse because his reflux is silent and he piles weight on comfort eating, so the GP sees a fat, healthy baby. Who also has a habit of being all happy and nice and smiley in the GP's office even when he's been in a foul mood all day.

By the way, I had no idea that teething and coughs make it worse but that makes soooo much sense.

Iggly I've been doing some research into ways to wean reflux babies and have settled on mush and finger foods combined. Today, I made a carrot mush and offered it to him to see what he did. He snatched the spoon off me and shoved it in his mouth!! I think he's telling me it's time to wean.

Finally onlywantone sorry I can't do this links-in-posts business, but if you scroll up to caffiene's first post it links to a document which has references to why you should be weaning by 26 weeks. In fact, I seem to recall that the WHO advice is a little confusing about whether to be weaning by or after 6 months (it says both at different places). The reasons are: a) when BFing there is a slight risk of anaemia and b) there are suggestions that a developmental stage is missed by waiting until 6 months.

Can anyone link me to the research about weaning before 6 months causing later obesity/diabetes?

purple
Bless u still agonizing over this. It really sounds like you have done all you can in order to prevent weaning but if he's decided for you maybe googling links now on the diabetes and obesity with earlier weaning, I worry you will just now torture yourself over your decision to give him the carrot. Trust in yourself that you know your baby. There is nothing you can do but feed him if that is what he needs and u feel is best. He's not a statistic he's your beautiful ds he has an individual need that won't always follow what information is out there.

Please just he careful with what you look at now and trust yourself and please don't torture yourself xx thanks

If the weaning doesn't help with the reflux, could you afford a private consultation with a paed? Sometimes bypassing the GP is useful and GPs may even be willing to refer you privately when they wouldn't refer you on their NHS budget.

Iggly Fri 18-Jan-13 06:47:40

Ah that's good!

Te only research I know linked to obesity is to do with how you feed the baby. I'm on my phone so can't find it just now - it was reported on radio 4 and in the press a few years go.

Do be careful what you feed. Anecdotally I read that foods like carrots are difficult to digest for reflux babies particularly (hence why you sometimes see bits of carrot in their poo) - pears are a good thing to start with. There are reflux supprt forums out there. Again will link later.

RunningOutOfIdeas Fri 18-Jan-13 07:16:30

Purple your DS seems to be exactly like my DD1. I weaned her at 4 months because she could not take any more milk and needed something every 2 hours. Teething definitely made her reflux worse. She never pushed food out of her mouth and the second time I fed her she grabbed the spoon and put it in her mouth herself. I started with banana flavoured baby rice and then moved to single veg and fruit purees. DD was sick far less often once weaned.

I understand that baby rice etc have fewer calories than milk but they remain in the stomach longer so you feel full for longer. I don't think eating is purely about calories. As an adult, I know that I will feel less hungry after eating a steak than after soup even if they had the same number of calories.

The problem with WHO guidelines is that politics get involved. There is resistance to stating that in some countries weaning should be at one age and in other countries it should be different. Also, within one country, you will have differences in affluence and hence hygiene and access to good quality food. The end result is a blanket guideline giving the safest option for all.

DD1 is nearly 5. No food problems apart from slightly dairy intolerant. DD2 also has reflux and is much less able to tolerate dairy. She is 15 weeks. I will probably consider weaning her in 4 to 6 weeks time.

Figgygal Fri 18-Jan-13 08:38:05

Completely agree that looking into Links about obesity in early weaners is a complete waste of time what you feed them at this point I cannot believe has any influence on their weight in 5/10/20 years time it's about teaching healthy diet in that period not what you feed them now.

It sounds like he just needs weaned and u r just responding to his needs

tiktok Fri 18-Jan-13 10:14:13

Purple, there is very little evidence (none, I think) that formula fed babies are best off without solids until 6 mths. The WHO guidelines and the Cochrane review (all on web) only looked at exclusive breastfeeding. We just don't know about ff. In the UK, guidance simply took the bf info and extended it to ff babies.

There is no good evidence for a link between early solids and allergies. There is no good link between early solids and obesity (by early solids I mean before 6 mths, and actually before 4 mths). The Dundee cohort study found increased incidence of wheeze in babies (ff and bf) given solids before 15 weeks. The obesity link is with ff, not with solids.

For a bf baby, there is evidence (in developed and developing settings) to support, as a public health policy not necessarily for every individual baby, no solids till six months. For a ff baby, there is no evidence.

So - individual babies should be treated individually smile

Iggly Fri 18-Jan-13 11:30:07

spoon feeding vs finger feeding but actually it's a small study so hard to really be sure. I can see logically how spoon feeding might over ride a baby's feeling of fullness but if you go slowly and follow your baby's cues, should be fine.

CheungFun Fri 18-Jan-13 12:46:29

I don't have any experience with reflux, but I do have experience of a hungry baby! Figgy and I are both on the same postnatal thread and we both weaned 'early'. I have never felt so stressed as I did when trying to placate DS with yet another bottle of milk, he was feeding all the time and I couldn't keep up. He was producing so many wet nappies, the milk was just going straight through him.

My GP (who incidentally is female and at the time had a one year old) advised me to wean DS onto solids at about 18 weeks and the relief of having 'permission' was wonderful. I started off very slowly, but DS wanted more and actually took the spoon and put it in his own mouth and looked very much like a baby bird waiting to be fed! He started sleeping through the night again and he also stopped being miserable. I felt as though I'd been starving him when I saw the change in him.

I really agonised over the whole thing and spent a lot of time researching online etc. in hindsight I wish I'd saved myself the pain!

The argument on calories is a difficult one as I do accept milk has more calories than a carrot, and when asked by other mums at playgroup I tell them to aim for 24 weeks before weaning, but, if I eat a high calorie McDonald's meal for lunch, I don't know why but I'm starving by 3pm, whereas if I'd had a jacket potato I would be happy to wait until dinner time to eat.

BertieBotts Fri 18-Jan-13 12:55:39

I would stick with BLW - that way he can take in what he's ready for and all the research done on this (admittedly not much) points to BLW being a good route in terms of avoiding the usual risks of early weaning (the theory being that if they don't have the development to get the food to their mouth and swallow it they're not ready to digest it either).

I think I would personally go for hungry baby milk over "traditional" weaning if he wants more milk but can't tolerate it, and he's not yet passing the banana test, but that's just what I would do - am not an expert smile

ZuleikaD Fri 18-Jan-13 14:32:54

Agree with Bertie - if he can eat it, then he can eat it.

Iggly Fri 18-Jan-13 16:00:40

Mine would choke on bananas if you gave them one whole but would be fine with other finger foods.

Purplelooby Fri 18-Jan-13 22:59:49

Thanks everyone - I agree not to search any more - it will definitely confuse matters!

Incidentally, I 'shared' a banana with DS today and he bit right into it with his gums, but he got upset very quickly because he got hungry, so I guess the key is to try it just after a feed.

bertie I really wanted to do BLW because he can sit himself up (today he started sitting unsupported without doing a tripod) and he is so interested in food, but my problem is that he really can't regulate his appetite well. In fact, I found a fantastic article about this Reflux weaning (how brave I am doing a link?! Hope it works) which talks about doing traditional weaning with a BLW hat on. I like that idea a lot and I think that's what would suit DS. Also sadly (mentioned above) the hungry baby milk was a big disaster - I've moved him back to his first milk already...

Does anyone know where I can find a list of first-foods that might exacerbate reflux? Someone told be that baby rice sometimes does.

BluddyNora Fri 18-Jan-13 23:34:11

Sounds very similar to my DS. Not very silent reflux but was managed with gaviscon in his formula, he hit 5 months and I couldn't fill the boy up! Went from the 25th centile to the 99.6th and was in 12-18month clothes.

I weaned him, he was ready even if the 'guidelines' say he shouldn't have been. We also did it BLW and it had no bearing on his reflux really although it meant that we could gradually reduce and take away the gaviscon. You get to the point where you have to disregard all the guidelines and listen to your instincts- they're usually right!

lotsofcheese Sat 19-Jan-13 09:14:33

It's more texture & volume that can be a problem with reflux when weaning eg too lumpy, large volumes. Start with a spoonful or two. Baby rice/porridge (obviously wheat-free), mashed banana/avocado are good starters.

Iggly Sat 19-Jan-13 09:50:12

It varies - mine had silent reflux so acidic foods (citrus, onions) were a no. Also they got windy very easily - green veg was a no. And no dairy or soya.

Basically I would wean on the basis of introducing new foods every three days and keeping a food diary.

FamiliesShareGerms Sat 19-Jan-13 10:02:47

The thing is, there's no magic that happens when a baby goes from 5 months 30 days to six months old that means one day / week they aren't ready for food and the next they are. So a five month old baby may well be ready to wean.

In your position, OP, I would be introducing food on top of milk and go from there. I found DS used food as a supplement, rather than a replacement, for milk for quite a long time, so overall I guess his calories were increased.

Purplelooby Sat 19-Jan-13 11:58:18

families I totally agree - at the moment I am giving DS his normal feeds (which are a nightmare at the moment - I'm currently feeding him every 1.5 hrs on partial volumes) and then after one feed I'm letting him play with some solids. So far it's been carrots - iggly I'm going to do as you said and introduce new food every 3 days. He doesn't seem to have had any reflux from the carrots at all (although since he is insisting on using the spoon himself, he put more on his forehead and the floor than his mouth - thank goodness for EVA mats!

Thanks for the link caffeine

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