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Carrying on are good work from the first thread , how do we keep are selfs awake? By chatting to each other sleepy heads!

Hello, can I join in? Goat Junior (Kidlet?) is a ridiculously slow feeder - a philosopher in the making? Hoping for some sleep before having to get up at 6...

Thank you for the new thread techno Sorry you are having a rough night - hopefully this growth spurt will be done very soon! I almost cracked at 6 weeks too, but things should get easier for you very soon.

Minipopsmum I am honestly in awe of how you are surviving on such little sleep I really hope Minipop starts being able to sleep for longer soon, you absolutely deserve a break at this point.

BabyTea has also been having a bit of a growth spurt, or a sleep regression at least - we are back to two hourly wakings anyway. Teething pain really isn't helping either, he keeps waking in an absolute rage because of it.

I have somewhat foolishly agreed to go see an opera with my friend tomorrow night (er, or tonight) which means I won't get home until midnight . I am going to be one tired MummyTea! I told my friend she is in charge of keeping me awake

Right, BabyTea, it's sleepytime again <looks pointedly at baby>...

I saw the existence of the other thread but didn't read. Sounds like there are so many of you surviving the sleep deprivation marathon.
<quiet admiration>

Can I join too? My ds has woken up every hour on the hour tonight apart from 1am ..... when the other one woke up. Little one is now muttering omniously in his basket which i am frantically rocking. I think i should maybe give up on sleep tonight.

It ended up being 4.30, and now she's asleep in me due to snotty snuffling. Don't think it's a cold, just intermittent snotty snuffling.

Thanks for new thread, Techno. Keep up the good work. FF won't necessarily help and then you'd be up making bottles every few hours through a growth spurt. It does get easier: this too shall pass.

Hi to all the newbies

Hello - we have been awake since 3:30, feeding on and off. Finding it hard to keep eyes open! Zzzzzzzz

Hi goat and princess

Thank you for new thread techno and link tea

techno - I posted loads of times saying I was going to give up bf because of cluster feeding which seemed to he happening all the time and I know how incredibly frustrating and tiring it is, I used to repeat to myself over and over again 'eventually he will go to sleep'. It does get easier.

Well we made it to half five which was long ish based on our funny topsy turvey night. Dp's alarm going off in an hour and a half which always wakes up babyloo so time to try and get some zzzzz

Back again, baby Lump is a bit fussy at the boob tonight but I think maybe she's got some trapped wind, theory backed up by the huge poo she's just done which means leaving the nice snuggly warmth of bed and going downstairs to change Why is it always at night they chose to do it?!

Good morning sleep mourners!

DD2 (22 wks) wouldn't settle last night, so we played the pick up, put down game until 12.30.

She then woke up at 4.15 wanting to play! I've been feeding her since, in the vain hope that she'll fall asleep.

DD1 will be awake by 6.30 <sob>

I'm here!!

Ewan the sheep made a difference last night! Baby B certainly settled better - will let you know later if it was just a fluke

A big welcome to all the newbies!
I'm meeting up with the nct girls today who all have babies the same age so should at least get a bit of hand holding today!

Hey everyone, thanks for the thread techno

we had an awful night again. Minipop's tummy still playing him up so he barely slept and when he did he'd only sleep propped upright on me..!

New health visitor is useless, as is new GP. Am at my wits ends, I don't know if this is normal baby behaviour, meds or milk change. Poor little love

hey everyone new ignore my moaning and welcome to the thread - he's a virtual espresso and a chocolate digestive.

Hi, I'm new but marking my place as I have been reading the last thread over the past few nights and will join in tonight! My DS is 9 days old and likes 2 to 3 night feeds (I'm so sleepy!) and it will be nice to share virtual choccie biccies and tea with you all!

I will be joining this one I feel. For the past two nights DD has decided at 17 weeks to wake every 2 hours. Soooo tired. Why has she gone back in time?! Think its meant to be a growth spurt, not helped by the fact that she keeps rolling on to her front and waking herself. Oh lordy, I just want sleep. Precious sleep. Hmmm.

weezie I think I remember what that thing you talk of, sleep, is...

so we're meant to be doing the feed, activity, sleep routine and it's been a disaster today. So Minipop has just fed & I am letting him fall asleep. He's not slept properly all day and I don't want him to get over tired.

So so so tired didn't managed to get any sleep today - should make tuna evenings interesting!!

I think we have gone beyond over tired. She just seems so unhappy with everything. Not having a good few days. Not sure how I will stay awake feeding her tonight. My eyes actually drooped when walking with her around town today. I was on the other side of the high street and thought, how did I get here.

Apologies if this has been discounted, but do try cosleeping and dream feeding.

And if you can't, then keep the room you feed in quiet and dark. Very occasional I have a sleepless night and I find the nights I read or try and watch something, I feel much worse the following day. For me its not the sleeplessness, it's the eye strain that's the real killer.

Big disclaimer although I exclusively breastfed 3 for a year+ I might have forgotten how shattering it was and this is my revisionist take on it all.

I am ancient, btw the last night feed was over 10 years ago.
Good luck and restful nights!

Hello smicha and weezie and thank you help. I'm going to keep attempting dream feeding.

Well I have had a very miserable baby today who then fell asleep for 3 fairly solid hours between 2-5 so if I get him to sleep before 9 it will be a miracle, I also think I am in for a re-run of last nights short stints. He still has a red cheek and feels a bit warm so I think his teeth are starting to move, I'm debating calpol but I'm not sure it's pain that's bothering him or he's just in a bad mood!!

See you all at some point through the night

Oh susie, fingers crossed the mice pay you a visit with the sparkly sleeping dust.

After a battle of wills, Minipop napped at 6pm, he's just had his 8pm feed & I am going to try & get him to bed properly.

Please please please let him sleep )

Hi Please may I join too? DD3 is 7 weeks old now and we are feeding roughly twice a night. She's pretty efficient but I do find myself nodding off in the rocking chair with her which is not good!

We are in no real routine just feeding on demand which makes evenings a bit tricky as all she wants to do is feed and dd1 also wants my attention after being in school all day!

Welcome to whatever, smicha and weezie! Hoping for a good night here <snorts> been out in the buggy all day and to are baby group. But it could go all wrong cause ducking hasn't had his normal naps and neither have I, feeling more knackered than normal!
Feel asleep with him on me again last night, the feeds I'm ok with its the keeping him upright for 30mins after which is the killer. Just doing are first 30mins after his feed now, so if if going to follow the same pattern he has the last few nights i'll see you all in a couple of hours.

Well almost time to 'dreamfeed'. Main issue would be she hasn't really slept so this should be fun. Oh well.

Shamelessly lurked on your last thread, so really I should say hello!

DS (DC2) 4 weeks old today. EBF on demand. Very little sleep. Moses basket refuser so am co sleeping reluctantly for some of the night every night.

Feeds every 2-3 hours and is a hungry hungry boy.

Hope I can offer and receive support through these trying times!

First feed of the night here - had a couple of hours sleep while hubby sat with him so should be prepared for tonight! I say should.......

techno is there a reason your ds has to be upright for half an hour? Apologies if I'm missing new advice- or if there's a particular reason.
Good nights all!

Evening! After 2 hours sleep last night I am still wide awake and little prince is sleeping. This is not right surely? I know i will drop off and he will wake up, he has fed for what feels like all day apart froma short nap in the pram. I am hoping that means he has tanked up for tonight, realistically it probably means growth spurt and i have another night of feeding ahead.

Biscuits and tea at the ready!

Hi to all the newbies, I'm just doing what will hopefully be last feed for a while.

D'oh DS just been violently sick all down me and filled my bra up so much I've had to get a shower

This message obviously posted in two stints

It's going to be a looooooong night - I can feel it!!

Dd2 up with constipation so bad she's been crying since 6pm

Drs tomorrow I think - and all I want is a bit of kip!!!!

Evening all, especially newbies. Sorry not to individually comment, just too tired. Missmarbles down at 8 and just had good feed now. Hoping for a four/five hour stint. Injections this morning though, so will see how it goes
Good night

We've just had 2 and a half hours sleep in a row. That includes me too - whooooooop!

Hey munx waves, welcome. Here, have an espresso

fingers crossed for a longer stretch once the next feed is out the way.

techno right there with you on the 30 mins post feed hold (really must think of a snappier name for it )... I usually have telly on, catch up on I player, reply to texts or emails, or read MN

Hi all, checking in for tonight, did someone say biscuits?!

Last night baby Lump was fantastic, and because the ILs had DD1 overnight when baby had a lie in so did DH & I couldn't believe our luck!

Anyway today I stupidly didn't have a nap so doubtless will regret it later, just about to put Lump down and see how we go. Put her down an hour ago but she immediately had a massive poo so we had to clean up and start over again.

Night for now, everyone gets some sleep at some point!

Oooh heffalump Minipop did that last night - huge feed, big poop, was then sick while being changed & managed to tip little bowl of bum water all over himself. No idea how he got his little hand into it!

minipop "bum water" has just made me snort out loud, luckily only DH was disturbed and I think I passed it off as a cough <ahem>

I had forgotten just how much poo/sick/wee a tiny baby can produce in one go.

DD snoozing on me now, going to lay her back down in a minute & hope that third time lucky will mean she stays asleep this time.

Hello whatever and munx

Despite my doom and gloom post babyloo went straight to sleep at eight and is on first feed now so not too bad, I also had to go bed because I just couldn't keep my eyes open so I have had nearly four hours! I know I'm tired because I couldn't get warm in bed and ended up in pjs and my dressing gown and I hate sleeping in stuff!

When I put babyloo in his cot earlier he grumbled so after the success of babylon (hope you get some sleep soon) with ewan the dream sheep I put the heartbeat sound on babyloo's projector thing and he went straight to sleep, will try it again now to settle him.

He's having a fairly decent feed now so hopefully he will do another four and we can miss out the 2.30 feed of last night.

Going into town tomorrow to investigate grow bags, because babyloo is so big for his age I'm going to see if I can put him in one to check its big enough but won't go over his head!!

See you all later and sending the sleepy mouse with some sleepy dust to visit you all

I wanted to get a ewan the sheep, but wondered if it wouldn't works on Mimipop as he was born at 30wks and he's 18 week's already (8 weeks corrected).

Ducking has colic so it helps with his wind if I keep him upright after each feed, it really does work its helps him to not wake up because of wind! He's had a 30min sleep then up again for more feeding, just about to put him down. See you all in a bit!

Well that's us up for the first feed, a 4 hour gap so not too bad!

Not very good at one hand typing yet........

Oo the sleep fairies have been out and about haven't they? Were just up for first feed at 2am. So little prince went about 4 hours...

Lol at bum water!

It gets easier returnofthemunx lol

First feed of the night here - went from 8.30pm to 2am so 5.5 hours which is great. She fed for 15mins but is now showing no signs of going back to sleep, gah!

I'm paying for my good night last night. Every time I put lump down she wakes up within 20 minutes. I'm so very tired now and she's once again happily asleep on me while I wonder if its worth putting her back or not.

Grrrrrrr-don't know what this weird little two hour stretch is all about between midnight and now-I want my nice six hour stretches back!!

Oooh I just want to be asleep again

And we are up again, no idea what this is all about, I will definitely be on nap watch today, can't keep my eyes open.

Why oh why has Kidlet decided that feeding requires an Olympic gymnastic floor routine with running commentary?

Repeat after me, Kidlet... Nipples are not elasticated...

Hello! We had 3 and a half hours sleep tonight in a row. I feel like a new woman -that's my longest unbroken sleep since ds was born 10 days ago. Hope that doesn't mean he won't go back down after this feed

Ooh, that sounds like a right gloating post now I re-read it! I was just so excited to have had more than his usual 1 to 2 hours!

Little prince just gone back down. 2 hour feed as everytime i oved him he latched on again.

goats mine stretches nipples too. I am quite amazed at how far mine go tbh
Ds1 always tried to watch tv while feeding so has probably stretched them beyond belief

It's that time again, exploding poo

I'm hoping that at least having to clean her up, strip and redress and do nappy will mean she might take a good full feed now and sleep better afterwards. Here's hoping anyway.

smicha that's great, a few extra hours make all the difference to how you feel don't they. Hope it continues for you.

smiche it doesn't sound gloating at all. Don't worry. Don't think anyone on this thread would think that. I am very jealous

Minipop's just gone from 11:30 To 4am :-D he did need settling back at 2:30am though. So not quite sleeping through the but he did manage nearly 3 hours in a row.

After two/three days of around 90 mins sleep a night, this is amazing!

susie sending you some sleepy dust on the mice

goat ouch at nipple Olympic

Hello everyone else, hope you all get back to sleep very soon. 25 mins left of the vertical holding post feed

And now... Out, oh damned reflux!

Hooray for Smicha and Minipop getting a bit more sleep, long may it continue to accumulate!

Have only been up twice since midnight so not to bad really just doing the second feed now. Hope that everyone else is getting bait more sleep than me!

Well done smicha and mini

She finally went back down around 3am. Needing settling at 4am and is now on night feed 2. Have to get up at 6.30am anyway. Am going to need a nap today!! I so wish we could snuggle down on the sofa together but am too scared to go against advise.

Are your dc's still in Moses baskets? I'm sure dp's snoring is disturbing her. She's only quite little still about 9lbs at 7 wks so seems way to early to move her to cot.

We were up again at 3.40 and now we are feeding again, we seem to have gone back weeks tonight.

Re Moses basket I wish that I had moved babyloo a lot sooner than I did, I wish he had started in a cot but that's primarily because he grew quite quickly he seemed to really hate it in there, seemed almost claustrophobic at times, the hv was really pushing him to stay in it because he would feel safe but I wish I had trusted my instincts and moved him sooner. I think you'll know when it's time to move to a cot

Dp's alarm going off on 1 hour 15 and yesterday we ended up getting up at this time because he wouldn't settle. Feel like I haven't slept at all.,

I'm up too SusieLoo



Soooooo tired.

Amazingly he went down in his Moses from after the 2am feed until 5.30!

Progress.....

Glad to hear some babies sleeping well tonight, sorry to hear some not.....

I just keep thinking it has to get better, my 21 mo DD sleeps right through 7-8am so there's hope!

babylon

It's so hard, I know.

Ducking is on his third feed now. Still keep falling asleep with him in my arms. Can't wait for this growth spurt to be over! What happened to my lovely baby that slept for four hours on the trot?

Up again, but another reasonable sleep between! Heffalump, we get exploding poo during night feeds too...wonder why that is? It fired all over my nightie mid-change a few nights ago. Oh the glamour! DH is on nappies all night tonight though as it's his last day of paternity leave so wants to make sure he can help as much as poss while he can. Think I'll send him to make me breakfast too!

Tonight we got from half 11-2, 3-4 and 4:45-6 so at least we have had some sleep, hoping he will go down again soon so I can get a bit more

Rubbishy night last night.
Similar pattern to MrsN: she went down at 8, up at 11.15, 1.20 (until 2.15), 3.30. Seems to have completely regressed also, Susie; our babies have been comparing notes again and upped their jeep-mummy-awake-game
Like Techno I fell asleep with Missmarbles in my arms and decided it would be safer just to co-sleep from about 4.40. I co-slept from time to time with DD1, but always kicked DH out to the spare room, but we don't have a spare room here, so I am a little wary but he's a much lighter sleep now than he use to be. Anyway, managed to get some sleep since then, and Missmarbles is full of chat and giggles this morning. Bless her, I think it was snot keeping her awake. Having just got over her last cold about a week ago, she seems to have another and she had injections yesterday too.
Have quite a busy day today, hope I make it to bed time....

Hi

Seems everyone been up forever, ok I'm going over the top but techno description of feeling like a zombie is accurate

I haven't been on much, been reading though middle of the night, been sick with a throat infection I must be really run down.

anyway hope everyone else (I won't) gets some sleep tonight, I'm considering evicting this mouse thingy they don't like me much

Last feed before bed and I'm really hoping we don't do a repeat of last nights midnight, 2.30, 3.40, 5.15 and then up at 6.30 for the day. I have been on nap watch today and he had a solid 2.30 at lunch time and then I have tried really hard to keep him awake so that we can try and re-establish day and night, really hoping it doesn't go the other way and he's so overtired he won't sleep, I'm going to aim to be in bed by ten in case we are up a lot again.

I bought babyloo a grobag from mother care and I had to get him a size 6-9 months based on his weight and then spent an interesting afternoon putting babyloo in it and seeing if he could manoeuvre underneath it!! I have decided that the arm holes are too big and so he could end up with it over his face so grrrrrr will have to wait until he is bigger.

Wishing everyone a peaceful night, really hoping I'm not back on until at least 1.30!!

Well monopoly has turned into a snot monster, it's really bad. He's kept choking & coughing in his sleep & then again when feeding. Think it might be a long night, bless him xx

Stupid phone - MiniPop (not Monopoly!)

Missmarbles is absolutely shattered. We have had a really busy day, and that combined with her jabs yesterday and snot that has developed into a full blown cold, she was exhausted, bless her. We went out this evening after collecting DD1 from school as it is my birthday this weekend and we can't go out either tomorrow or Sunday, so we had a lovely family outing but Missmarbles didn't sleep despite being tired due to all the exciting noises and sights. I hope she wasn't over-stimulated but she went down at 7.30 and I haven't heard a peep yet. I am so hoping that she has a good night and perhaps puts herself back into the better routine we had before she decided daytime naps were only possible for longer than 10 minutes if in our arms, and nighttime merely meant sleeping between 2 hourly feeds rather being awake as in the day....

Hope the Sleepy Mouse bites all the babies, so mummies can catch those zzzz's too

Toodlepip I really hope you feel loads better soon.
Same for Minipop and missmarbles - here's to good breathing, poor things.
Susieloo you have given me pause for thought. I was going to buy a grobag for Kidlet but he has stupidly skinny arms and is a prem so may not fit yet? I am desperately trying to think of ways to help him sleep anywhere that is not on top of me!

goat how prem was your little one? Minipop was born at 30wks. He's over 13lbs now, at 8 weeks corrected x

Clocking in for the night shift
Just doing are 30mins up right time after his feed.
Will report back later!

Monopoly. I can't believe he is only 8 weeks corrected, he doesn't look it, he is doing so so well!

Sorry for snotty babies and sore-throated mums - it is so hard to fight things off when you are so exhausted

DS has had quite a good day, so the teething seems to have settled a bit (no dentinox used at all today!). He wouldn't have is usual mid evening nap, and ended up crashing on DH just before 10, so I've had to forgo the change into his night cloth nappy and just put him to bed as he is, and hope the nappy will last him til morning!

Starting to have minor wobbles about DS' prem clinic check up next week - rationally I'm sure there is nothing to be concerned about, but I'm worried they will notice something that I've missed Can't believe he is less than 3 weeks off the 6 month milestone, madness!

Where's Saritabean by the way? Hope you are ok out there.

Time for me to join DS me thinks - although we've just had takeaway curry for dinner and I feel a bit blergh...

Sorry to hear of all the snotty babies, not much fun for them or the mums trying to keep them comfortable.

Well we're on first feed of the night, I came up to bed after feeding at half 9 to get a few hours head start on the sleep front and DH has just come up with baby lump who is not looking tired at all and being a bit fussy again. We co slept for the last part of last night but I don't like to bring her in properly until we've got a new mattress as its starting to sag a little which isn't safe. She's in a 3 sided bedside crib so that's been great but to prevent her from bring too much on our mattress I almost have to put myself in the crib!

Here's to lots of happily snoozing babies (and mums!) tonight

Hey techno - 30 min upright action going online here too following 11:30pm feed

thanks tea we had our first neo natal check up last week & all was ok, so I am sure baby tea will be fine (its hard not to worry though, isn't it?).

I was wondering where sarita had gone to, as well.

Poor Mimipop is really suffering, but managed to get an little bit of sleep.

1st feed of the night has not gone well

Babyloo woke up at twelve like the last two nights but tonight very definitely did not want to go back to sleep so I have abandoned keeping him in our bedroom and we are both downstairs watching tv, dp is merrily snoring his head off and I'm already dreading today because babyloo is going to want to sleep all day, I just don't think he can do a big nap in the day and then settle after feeds at night or sleep for long stretches at night after a big daytime sleep.

No idea what time we will be going back to bed, not anytime soon by the looks of it.

First feed of the night here, he's not been very settled all evening so will see what the rest of the night brings!

Minipopsmum he was 31 weeks, now 3 weeks corrected. Nearly 7lbs - he keeps getting longer rather than fatter. I am already despairing about buying jeans in the future!
Tea are you another prem then?
We have just woken for the first time at 1! This is a record. Can we do another four hour stint? (pleeease, Kidlet!)

Missmarbles is asleep on my shoulder post first feed of night 6 hours!! Sounded like a poosplosion and she looked a bit bemused while I checked after first boob. False alarm, thankfully, so small amount from other boob taken and now sleeping snuffily. Wonder if another 6 hours will follow??

Hope your appt goes well Tea. I'm sure it will be fine. As MiniPopsMum says, you can't help but worry, but you would Orem or not with any consultant development check. My DD1 was prem, not that you can tell now (she's 7), and never laid down a lot of baby chub, either got longer or did something developmentally instead. Total contrast to Missmarbles, who has 2 chins and appears to have elastic bands for joints and sausages for fingers

We're still up Between feed, hiccups, two more pooey nappies, more wind, feed and twice just waking herself up I've not managed to sleep since DH brought her up at 11 so feeling a bit rubbish now. How have others got round the problem of baby waking themselves through too much movement? I know people say swaddle but I've read you're not meant to do that overnight? My DM bought us some lovely big swaddling muslins which are meant to be good for temperature regulation but I'm still not sure if its safe to do it overnight.

Tea hope your appointment goes well

Goat DS was born at 31+5, so he's now 22 weeks, 16 weeks corrected. I'm sure you'll see Kidlet pile on the chub soon but prems do seem to end up very long/tall I think! Since DS was born, I've learnt that several of my friends were born around 32 weeks, and all bar one are very very tall. DH is 6'4" so I think I'm doomed to have my baby towering over me when he grows up!

Not a good night here (after an amazing 5.5hr stretch last night!) - he fell asleep at 10, but has been up at 12:30 and 2:30 so far. Poop.

Hi everyone, may I join you? It's my first sleepless night at home as DD was born early hours of Thursday and we came home today. She is gorgeous but won't sleep in her Moses basket (well, she managed an hour 11-midnight. Have been up ever since with her feeding or lying asleep with my nipple in or near her mouth; she wakes and cries within minutes if I put her back.

Obviously it's very early days so I will persevere for now but seriously considering sleeping, or a bedside cosleeper cot! Some company for these overnighters would be really welcome - I am on my third night of no sleep, and one of those involved giving birth!!

Sorry I meant "seriously considering co sleeping" in my post above (I guess I really am tired to the point where I cannot function!)

Hi ladies, can I join please? I'm so happy to give found you all! DS is 6 weeks on Sunday and gets up once or twice a night but just won't sleep tonight :-(
I would really really like a night off and vice asked him so nicely to please sleep for longer than 2 hours but I don't think he's listening. Sob.

Hi smallgreen from late pregnancy thread! I am sharing your pain...about to try DD back in her Moses basket but not expecting her to stay asleep for long! She isn't actually awake enough to feed so she is only waking to protest about being on the basket when she wants to be in our bed but we are not yet set up for cosleeping so I have to stay awake with her or get her to agree to sleep in that basket.

Best of luck in your efforts with DS!

Good luck funchum! He's now asleep on me so will try the same but I bet he'll wake up after 10 mins- he has started to hate his basket and I don't know why. I can also hear DH snoring away on our bed and I want to punch him for having so much sleep!!!

Hi

Funchum my first son never slept in a Moses basket it was as though he felt claustrophobic in them I know your thinking how is that possible anyway I was in denial for ages then set up the big cot and he slept fine how weird was that

True I promise

I need sleep, but it's not happening second feed tonight I hope he goes till near 7 but it could be closer to 5

Slept 10-12 and 1-3.........

Hello, can I sneak in too? Up 2hrs 10 mins and counting... Shouldn't have got excited when moot sleep 9-2 then 3-7 last night...

I'm baaaack!
Hello fun and small, congratulations on your arrivals! Hope you really enjoy the new days. Is this your first? fun I am impressed that you can write a coherent post on day 2!
tea I think you're right about length, and my DH is 6'5'' so yep, no shortie there! Good luck with your appointment next week - wow, six months, what a wonderful milestone!
Hating Moses baskets seems to be a recurring theme here. Interesting how many of the LOs really dislike them.

Ah goat glad he's getting taller. Minipop is there exception to the premmie rule, he's not as tall as he should be, but is a proper pudding. 91st centile for head & weight (corrected age) but only midway for heights hope you get the door hour stint.

marbles 6 hours? Blimey!

heffalump I didn't know that about swaddling, I swaddle Minipop during the night some times. It keeps him warm & stops him jumping around.

tea dislike

Hey funch & small congrats & welcome.

So, Minipop is really congested and it's stopping him from sleeping. He's been woken up by coughing & choking & crying every half hour since going down at midnight. Poor little mite, and I have no saline drops in the house either.

I've just had a 4.5 hour BIG sleep

Morning. A bit angry with myself today as kept falling asleep during feeds so feels like i have not had any sleep at all, and little prince is still feeding. Bless him he cries and pulls his legs up so i thnk he has wind. Do they still sell gripe water or has that been banned? I need to investigate options today

Welome to fun and small! Cngratulations on your lttle ones. Matchsticks for your eyes and virtual coffee available.

H a suggestion someone gave me about mosex baskets was to put something in the basket with your smell on it, either e tshirt or keep one of the baby's blankets under your top for a while. Apparently it helps thsm settle and feels familiar.

I am so tired that the shopping channels are starting to look iinteresting!

Mmmm... Can I have cream (double since it's virtual) and sugar in my coffee please? Now been up since 3:45.
Yes, gripe water still available. We have some but can't use it until Kidlet is a bit bigger, so don't know if it works. Has fennel in it, ugh. There's also Infacol, although there was a thread on a study into its inefficacy?
Poor Minipop with his congestion, that sounds horrible. Hope you both get some sleep. (oh, and Kidlet is 91st percentile for length and head circ and 0.4 for weight!)
Welcome to PMM too...
And hooray for Babylon's sleep! Long may it continue.

He did sleep! Back again now though. He's a windy one too and we tried infacol and gripe water but I think they may have made it worse so stopped! He's a bit better this week so his tummy must be getting more efficient at digesting.
I'd heard about putting something in with them that smells of you but then worried about SIDS and having extra things in the basket- paranoid first time mum! Sometimes the white noise thing works too and in the day he's happy in his sling.
I'm hoping dh will get up now and take him so I can have a bit more snooze time.

Yawwn, long night. We've been using infacol for moots wind for a couple of weeks. Coincided with a definite improvement in him but it was desperate times so also cut out dairy (longing daily looks at my choc stash), started holding upright after feeding and me drinking lots of fennel tea (seconding goat's ughh). So one of the above seems to have helped but too afraid to cut back on any to see what in case there's a relapse... Of course it may just have been the passage of time... Arghh

Oh and catching up on earlier chat, we got moot a couple of sleeping grobags in ikea, they were only £12 and had smaller arm and neck holes so fit 8wk old / 11lb moot perfectly. They definitely help when transferring sleeping LO into crib without waking.

After a bad start we had a good ending, sleep 9pm til 11pm, 3am til 6am then 6.15am unyil 7.30am when she woke uo and did the obligatory humingous poo all over everything. Sat up with a cup of tea now while DH & DD1 have a little lie in.

Does anyone know anything more about swaddling, hopefully it's just me imagining it and its perfectly fine to use overnight!

Hope everyone got sleep in some form or another last night

Hi well we managed 10.30-2.30 then 2.30-5.30 in between feeds so about 4.5 hours of sleep for me in 2 sessions. DD1 then got up at 7am. Baby DD still sleeping.

She really struggles with wind though - have been using infacol which does produce one huge burp as soon as feed finishes and sleeps very quietly and still when being held but as soon as she gets put down she starts shuffling, grunting and straining. She won't do any more burps but it comes out the other end! She'll be asleep but so noisy that I can't sleep. Any suggestions??

Well I was lucky and slept on and off from 4-8am in the end as after a long feed she was happy with just DH for all that time. He has been amazing so far! She is now feeding again but keeps falling asleep latched on so I am doing the foot/cheek tickling thing to wake her. First MW visit today and hopefully my milk will come in soon too...it's all happening!

I hope everyone got enough sleep to stay sane for another day!

heff I'm not an expert by any means but the midwife told us not to swaddle him even though that's what they did in hospital. I think it's incase of overheating and increased SIDS risk.

Morning all and welcome welcome to everyone

Well we eventually went back to sleep at around three and then up again at half five and up for the day at half seven. I think he's got a bit of a cold and his teeth are starting to move around which is bugging him but I'm also going to try and avoid any big, big sleeps in the day now.

Re Moses basket I'm repeating myself but babyloo has been so much happier since we moved him to a cot, a few times when I put him back down he would thrash around so much he looked quite panicky about being enclosed, the first time I took him out of his basket and put him in his cot he gave me a huge smile and then immediately fell asleep, I wish we had started with a cot. One thing that does help settle babyloo after night feeds is if I put a large muslin round him to keep him warm and then lay him back down lying on it so he's not lying on a cold sheet.

Hope everyone has a good day and a few naps are had by those that need them

Welcome to all the newbies!
Just doing the first feed of the night on my shiney new tablet!
I'm nearly on my knees now with duckling waking every hour. Went to see my friend today whos baby is three days longer than ducking and she's sleeping for five hour chunks! What am I doing wrong?!

I often think that since breast milk is great in so many ways; wouldn't it be even better if it was more filling so they slept a bit longer between feeds....

You're not doing anything wrong techno, babies just have different sleep patterns. She won't do it forever - not that that is much consolation right now!

Are you offering both breasts at each night feed? (I only ask because I generally haven't unless DS has particularly indicated he's not done, but someone told me that seemed to help their baby sleep for longer)

You are probably just experiencing the tail end of the 3 month growth spurt, and fingers crossed she will change her pattern soon. DS all of a sudden went from waking every 2 hours to doing 4 hours at the first stretch after bedtime, and increasing up to 6 hours (until the next growth spurt came along!).

Just before he started sleeping for longer, I was thinking "I can't take this any more, maybe I should try some formula to see if it helps" (as all my friends' ff babies were sleeping FOREVER at night). Then when he slept for longer a few nights later, I realised I didn't need to. And I am not at all smug that the aforementioned 12-hours-a-night ff babies are now waking up several times a night as they hit the 4 month sleep regression, no not at all... (actually, I'm not smug, as DS' sleeping is so utterly random - but I hope it made them regret all the bragging they did earlier on!!!)

We had a long walk along the river today so I'm hoping all that fresh air will help DS sleep well tonight

technoduck we are hourly here too at the moment I am on my 11th feed in nearly 24 hours (I have an app - my brain is too mushy to remember that myself lol) I am desperate to get more than 2 hours sleep in a row but its just not happening

Thank you for the advice, I'm going to have to throw the towel in, I really can't do this anymore. I need to sleep. I'm sat here in tears been crying since he woke up I really feel that this is Starting to affect My relationship with ducking I'm starting to feel angry with him and that's wrong its not his fault. I shouldn't be feeling like that, I still don't know if its wind keeping him up so I'm off to the doctors on Monday to find put what can be done. I don't want to stop and I'm hoping this is reflux so he can be given the right thing and we can carry on.

Hi all, I went to bed at 9 and DH gave DS 4oz of expressed milk at 10.30 and he's been attached to me feeding for the last half an hour. He is feeding too not just comfort sucking. He is 6 weeks old is it normal for him to have this much? Surely that's quite a lot of milk for his tiny tummy?
techno sending you a hug, sounds really rotten and you are clearly at the end of your tether. Hope the doctor gives you some good advice and you LO starts longer sleeps soon.

Hang in there technoduck you've done so well so far and it will get better. Fwiw I think feeling angry is quite common and certainly not your fault, I used to feel like that when DD1 was tiny and she'd have occasions where she wouldn't latch on for no apparant reason ending in both of us getting in a state but we got through it even though it felt like the nights were endless. Hopefully your doctor will be helpful & fingers crossed for you seeing some improvement and getting some more sleep.

How is everyone else getting on? I've not been able to put lump down yet, DH was lovely and had her downstairs in between half 10 and half 12 feeds but she's been on me ever since although I did try putting her down she just woke up again within 5 minutes. I guess this is just a waiting game I'll sit up cuddling her as long as I can manage then try again.

Thanks smallgreenone that's what I thought I'd read so I guess it's a case of if you do swaddle making sure the room is the right temp and you use a breathable material. Nothing's ever simple and there's no easy answers is there!

Hope there's lots of snoozing babies around tonight

mrsnpatz what app have you got? I was wondering whether to get one to record feeds, do you find it helpful?

Hang in there techno, I posted a few weeks ago about how I felt I couldn't enjoy babyloo because I was just too tired and frustrated with the constant feeding and then he scaled it back for a few days and I felt okay again, I agree with tea it helped me to remember that it doesn't last forever although it feels like it at the time! Hope the dr can help.

Agree lois!!!

Hope you get some sleep mrs

I always worried about how much milk babyloo must have in his tummy small particularly after a big cluster feed day when he would feed and feed, I think it's just there little bodies doing what they need to do.

We has first feed at one and he seems to have gone back to sleep, think we will be up around four.

Hope everyone gets some sleep

technoyou are doing amazingly well. This stage won't last, and Minipop is living proof that formula fed babies do not always sleep longer

having said that, despite having what is looking like a cold, Minipop just slept from 9pm to 1:30am (with just a little resettle needed at 12:30). So I have had a 2 hour sleep and a 1 hour sleep - woot!

He does skins awful though, and there is so much snot!

Hello everyone who is joining this thread, congrats on your little ones.

6 minutes left then I am back to bed, just hope Minipop settles background down on.

Sparkly sleep dusty mice to you all zZzzzz

Aw techno I'm sorry about how you are feeling, it is so hard! Hope you get things sorted on Monday or at least some helpful advice

heffalumps I use an app called baby nursing, and really do find it useful as it reminds me when his last feed was and which boob!! Also tells me how long he fed for. I started using it in the hospital as the midwives were asking me how long he was feeding/how often and I just could not remember properly! Lol

Yawn, first feed of the night underway here after a screaming fit over a wet nappy! DH and I are well and truly awake now! Why does everything seem so much worse at night?!

DS cluster fed from about 7 until 11 last night so I feel like he's been permanently attached to me! Starting to feel a little apprehensive about DH going back to work on Monday after his paternity leave as I'm worried about what it will be like having no one to hand DS to during the day and then be stuck with a cluster feeding baby all evening... Had a few tears earlier at the thought of it all, but I'm sure it will be fine...must remember to sleep when he sleeps!

Thinking sleepy thoughts for everyone.

On the app front, I'm using one called Feed Baby which logs nappies and sleeps as well as feeds. Found it useful when MW kept asking how many poos and wees he'd done each day!

2nd feed of the night and really hoping babyloo goes straight back to sleep, want to break the cycle over the last few days of night and day being a bit switched. I tried to avoid the big sleep but he did have 2.30 again at lunch time which at least means I got a little nap in.

yay minipop

smicha I felt exactly the same about my dp going back to work and after a week of him being at home I asked him to give up his job so he could stay at home and help me!! I was quite serious too. You will be fine, you'll get into your own little routine and you and baby smicha will have a great time

Dreading trying to resettle babyloo, really don't want to have to get up for a couple of hours.

Well done minipop long may it continue!

Thanks for the app recommendations, going to have a look in a minute as I could do with a memory aid, everything just blurs into one otherwise!

smicha its scary but you'll be fine. From my own experience with DD1 if you have a (very) rough plan for the day which includes getting out of the house and talking to another adult it helps things stay sane. If we didnt have any baby groups on I used to arrange a playdate with friends & their babies, or I'd just go & meet my grandad in town for coffee just so that we'd been out. It got loads easier very quickly and we soon got into our own routine. I'm going to make myself take my own advice again this time, DH has a week left then its me, baby and 2 yo DD1, I'm so scared of our first outing 'alone'!

Nearly finished first feed of the night, probably not first really but first since I actually got to sleep! Hopefully another couple of hours snoozing awaits us but I won't hold my breath.

See you in a few hours time

Evenin' all
Can I join you if I share my hula hoops and tea?
Have lurked since twins were born nearly 9 weeks ago... Now just as they decide to only wake twice-ish each the tiny one gets thrush and shreds a boob . They're now innocently snoring away, as is DP while I'm wide awake after washing all the pump parts and getting the next EBM bottle ready to go. Praying the freezer stocks hold out!
Any idea how long it'll take to clear up anyone??
Yawn.
Night night, sleepy vibes et al

I've got the what to expect app which charts feeding, sleeping and nappies.
He's just woken up having done one of those exploding poos! Not surprised after the amount of milk he had earlier! Glad others think its normal I was worried I had some kind of baby with an eating disorder!!!

Baby nursing logs sleep and nappies too although I haven't started doing that yet!

Just got an hours shut eye and hoping for some more now, little one woke me up for 6 minutes on boob!! lol

I have been up all night save 2-4ish when DH and I decided he would go sleep on the sofa so babyfunch and I could share our bed. She just will not sleep in her basket and in faci has so far only fallen asleep when feeding, so on me. It has given me 2 hours sleep but I woke to her snuffling because she had been a bit sick, so now I am worried about going back to sleep in case she chokes on vomit or something.

Could someone just tell me I am being daft - I cannot possibly watch over her 24/7...I need to be brought to my senses!

Second feed, hopefully the last before morning as mini Smich is being a pain and acting like he forgot how to feed - all flailing arms and sucking thin air. He's on now and hopefully will take enough to send him into a coma for another 2 hours!

Thanks for the tips for coping on my own.I will aim to have a plan each day...even one as simple as making sure I shower and get out of my pyjamas!

You know, I don't know if I should be worried about this - but my little one has never once fallen asleep on his own in his basket! Only on me after being fed, or on me or hubby after being rocked! He is only 3 weeks though?

funchum I worry about that, but unfortunately little one has been sick in his basket a few times without us knowing and hasn't choked!

I have been reading the Oreo thread on 'parentport' - very surreal thread lol but has kept me awake!!

mrsnpatz mine only falls asleep on me too. I don't know how to get him to sleep any other way. He has just woken up after an hour and now fallen back to sleep on me after refusing to feed
My DH has deserted us tonight too funchum at least it means I got a bit of sleep with DS in the bed.
6am now so was that really it? Time to get up

Hi swanthing I'll have a if there's one going hope you heal up soon I'm sure that's all you need right now.

funchum you're not being daft it's only natural to worry, but your baby won't choke if she's sick it will just run down out of her mouth and make the mattress a bit soggy! DD1 was terribly sicky I used to fold a muslin cloth and tuck it in both sides on top of the sheet where her head went so that I only had to change that and not all the sheets every day.

I don't think you should worry just yet mrsnpatzz 3 weeks is still tiny and most babies won't have learnt, or be able to learn, how to fall asleep on their own yet. Best to just enjoy the cuddles for now, there's plenty of time for him to learn later on.

All 4 of us are sat in bed now, DD1 is reading 'Peace at last' to DD2 which is super cute, DD2 doesn't look like she could care less though! Hope everyone's had a good night

Just a quick check in from me to say you all need to buy a Ewan the Dream Sheep - bloody fantastic they are!!!

Baby B is settling really easily and quickly now

babylon we have one but haven't used it - do you put it in with them? Does it stay on or do you have to keep pressing it? Thanks!

I'm afraid I lurked last night... A constant round of screaming, puking, flailing and attempts at kamikaze leaps out of my arms (Kid) and a resulting mini meltdown (Goat) kept my hands rather busy between midnight and 6:30 this morning. He is now angelically asleep on my chest.
techno sorry you had a bad night. I hope you are catching up a bit on rest and recuperation today for yourself.
Hooray for minipop and I hope the extra sleep means he is well on the mend.
Smicha I panicked when DH went back to work but actually found it easier to get into a routine of sorts. And the evenings are great when he comes home and takes over for a while!
Everyone with can-only-sleep-on-mum babies, welcome to the club...
Babylon I collect sheep so you have given me an excuse to buy another one!
Hello to everyone else, sorry am a bit behind all the news as well as hazybrained.

I haven't got a ewan but I have got a projector thing and in the last week I've been using the heartbeat sound to settle babyloo and it seems to be working quite well, it's also a sound that I can leave on and just about sleep through

Thanks for the reassurance about choking - I am sure having a mother trying to cope with no sleep is way more dangerous anyway!
DH took over at 6 and I slept til 9 so feeling more human now.
And my milk has come in so hopefully babyfunch will go at least a bit longer between feeds now. PILs are here and being very helpful so between feeds I get to have a cuppa and coo on about baby which is lovely.

Hi

Sorry have been lurking mostly, middle of the night lurking

techno, is little duck crying a lot, I missed alot I know he has been feeding hourly I remember that you said you felt like a zombie, I hope the gp can shed some light for you. My second screamed non stop for 4 months its soul destroying sending you a hug

I also had to send lilpip down to dh this morning Heff, I was up until 5 last night so really I didn't go to bed until then, I don't know why my 4 week old mostly feeds great then at other times, seems to lose the nipple a lot and gulps in air and then is in pain from loads of wind?? any clues anyone?? I also have to do the holding upright for ages but it seems like a cycle and it went on for ages last night

Hello to everyone new, I've been lurking so much it probably seems like I'm new, suppose I kind of am , smicha I know that nervous feeling re dh paternity leave, I'm trying not to think about it, mine going back to work abroad meaning I'll be on my own with my other two children and my 4 week old. Hopefully it goes smoothly and we all just get into good routines re baby, I'll still panic quite a bit until then

anyway hope everyone getting some sleep

Also been lurking, more than posting. Feeling desperate for decent sleep tonight. Missmarbles did really well last night til snot got the better if her at about 4. Then we struggled. She ended up in bed with us. She has not been 100% today and slept for and hour at 4-5 She woke up in a much better mood which is great but didn't feel like settling in her darkened room at 8. So I gave up and feeding downstairs in front of tv. Typically she us sleeping now.
Hi to newbies and congrats in babies. Sorry not to scroll and name names, on phone and wrecked. Hope you all sleep well

Right I'm back and I'm not giving up! I can bloody well do this even if it nearly kills me! Its only sleep!

Hello toodle

Yes you can techno we all can! Hope we all have good nights though lol

Babyloo been asleep for 2 hours and I've just got into bed so hoping for two hours at least, 3 or 4 would be amazing but I don't think it's going to happen!! Hope everyone has a good night and sending sleepy dust and sleepy mice to all

Hi all, night shift starting again. I've been really lucky I went for a nap after DD1 went to bed at 7 and DH had baby lump and didn't wake until 11 when she needed feeding sat up in bed now waiting for her to settle, she's been windy today so trying to keep upright for a little while in the hope she'll stay comfortable and asleep.

Well done techno, after all its only sleep You can get through it

Yes, Techno, only sleep, and after all our DC don't always seem to need much of it! (Kid currently doing Elvis impressions - uh huh, uh huh)

Was it someone on this thread that suggested ominously that the babies are comparing notes? I'm afraid I think there may be something in this, what with themes such as Moses baskets and alternating good and bad nights. I'm thinking something like the Starlight Barking (sequel to 101 Dalmations for those with proper taste in hooks!).
So I hope the Barking tonight is about Sleepy mice

Similar situation here heffalumps - babyfunch slept on DH from 5 til 9 while I had a proper kip. I fed her and she's slept again from 10-now. I am going to feed her when she wakes and then make another attempt to get her to sleep in the basket. I think we will go buy a cot this week as otherwise we have nowhere for her to sleep if she really isn't having any of the basket! I don't want to get into a long term scenario where DH sleeps separately so she and I can have the bed.

Have also come to the realisation today that my bladder isn't what it was and I need to do some serious pelvic floor work. Luckily it can be done while feeding!

Second feed already...

Yes Goat, I believe the babies do have a starlight bark going on
First feed going on. Praying she settles for longer than 2 hours from now though, and isn't overcome by snot around 4.
Have a bit if a funny tummy, and typically DH away for 1 nights from tomorrow. Hope that doesn't came to anything...

DH away for 2 nights, not 1;that would be better. I guess it isn't long, it's just the thought of it: trying to sort DD1 for school, nurse DD2 and not be too far from the loo

Aaaargh! Very alert awake baby! Go to sleep pleaaaaaaase............

So so so so tired. Minipop has a cold and I am catching the cold, just need sleeeeeeeep.

DMP been asleep most of the day, poor mite & I have been trying to de snot him when he is awake, had to wake him for last feed of day & we have 6 minutes left before I can put him back down afterwards 2am feed.

Hope you're all doing ok. Xxxx

Just got 3 hours thanks to Ewan the dream sheep!! thanks babylon

Hello all! First night feed here after 4 hours sleep. Mini smich has been informed that he is amazing for sleeping that long and that I'd like him to continue this habit...of course he may not understand, but I feel it's good to start praising good behaviour early

DH is sleeping in the spare room as he wants to be fresh for his return to work. I feel really sad about it and hope it doesbt become a permanent week night thing, although if the roles were reversed I know I'd probably do the same as I'm useless at work on no sleep!

Looks like mini smich is now bored of feeding... Time to try and settle him again. I've been looking at ewan the dream sheep but in the meantime we've found a hairdryer works really well!! The noise and warm air blown from a distance seem to really calm him! The tip was given to my SIL by a midwife in Germany and it's one of the best pieces of advice we've received so far! Also works on screaming nappy changes too.

Is 6 weeks to small for a Ewan dream sheep?

small my little boy is only 3 weeks!

I need to get me a Ewan the dream sheep!

Can't keep my eyes open

Hooray for all the long stretches of sleep tonight

Tell me about the sheep then, what does it do? I have a bit of a sheep collection going on in DD1s room, sounds like I should be adding to it.

funchum I really recommend a bedside crib (or cot if you have the space) we've got the 'Troll' crib from John Lewis and I do really think its contributed to DD2 being so much better than DD1, who was in a Moses basket, was at this age. You can get the benefits of co-sleeping but they still have their own safe area so less of a worry.

Second feed of the night fine here, just waiting for her to drop off properly then I'm hoping for a nice long stretch until morning...<deluded>

Time to throw my hat into the ring! I think that wee-velo objected to the lovely curry I had for dinner last night. Cue night of feeding, puking and generally being unsettled. Now he's lying in my arms wide-awake and not looking in the least bit sleepy. We are also in the camp of babies who only want to sleep on top of mummy/daddy. Sometime's I swear that he make a cry for the breast (2-sucks) just to get out of his moses basket. Hope everyone else is getting some sleep at last...

Haven't been to bed yet

Ok partly cuz I'm writing my thesis (I used the word cuz )

Pip upright now please wind just come up

Still going

Feed number four. What's that all about?!

Ooh Goat, number four, poor you. I'm on number two and he's just hanging there not sucking. I swear he forgets how to feed when he's tired!

Well we seem to be back to 4 hourly night feeds - which is a hell of a lot better than 2 hourly

Hope everyone is getting enough sleep and hello to all the newbies, congratulations on your babies

of all the newborn snuggles!!

Ewan the dream sheep is suitable from birth - 4 different sound settings including two of heartbeats heard inside the womb - so very settling for a newborn IYSWIM

I was very when my mum got it, but less than a week and I wouldn't be without it

Right then I am getting a Ewan sheep today. He sounds like a superstar and I've looked him up online and he is rather cute too. Lets hope DS thinks the same!

Ewan is ordered- hooray for iPads and amazon!

Babyfunch slept in her basket! 3-6.50am wahey! And that was me getting her up to change her, she would have gone a bit longer on her own. I won't get hopeful that this is going to last but at least dh and I got to snuggle in bed together for a bit, and some half decent sleep.

Heffalumps I am seriously considering a Troll cot, funny you should mention it. That might well be the way forward and there is a local stockist. Was it easy to assemble?

6 feeds tonight... Not half bad! And back up to two usable boobs, theyve been warned that any misdemeanours will result in a further loss of boob privileges. Babies slept 12-3.30, woohoo! Unfortunately we've been locked in a feed-vomit cycle since. This mornings speciality is the Nose Vom, generally followed by the altogether more spectacular Sneeze Vom.

I could kiss babylon and Ewan!! Lol I had 2 stretches of 3 hour sleeps with one feed in the middle - little one woke when I put him in Basket, but was sent straight to sleep by Ewan I don't know if its just fluke but from what babylon has been saying hopefully not!!

Ok. Second feed was small at 4ish, settled around 4.30 and awake again at 5 However big feed taken and a bit of a fight with sleep. I out a white noise app on my phone and the fight just went out of her! It was funny to watch; she tried but just could keep her eyes open! She tried to squirm but it got really half-hearted. She was soundly asleep in less than 1 minutes, and still is. I wonder if the 4 o'clock feed was just a blip and if I hadn't lifted her shed have gone back over? Anyway, not too bad a night but I think a dream sheep may be the way forward
Hope everyone else managed some decent kip
Happy Monday!

Morning all really feeling the lack of sleep today, it's dp's day off so I'm hoping he will take over for a bit and I might get a nap, we had a fairly usual night 8.20-12.40 then 4 ish then 6.45. Poor babyloo had managed to wee outside his nappy all over his bedding so I was scrabbling around trying to find new clothes and sheets, most of which seemed to be in the wash!!! I'm having a nightmare with his bedding, bought a grobag according to his weight but the arm and neck holes are too big so don't feel comfortable leaving him in it so I've just bought a purflo sleep sac because they do a 3-9 month size which I'm hoping will fit him better than the grobags do, I'm sure he is waking because he is cold, his blankets aren't staying on him as soon as he moves around.

How is your tummy marbles?

Hope everyone has a good day and naps are taken where needed, I optimistically bought some new running headphones for my iPhone thinking I might start again and try to go out a couple of times a week, this feels hilarious today because I can barely summon the energy to walk up the stairs!!

I think I was too happy about my night because little fella is not settling today

Iam new to this thread !
I have a 2.5yo (whos first full night sleep was when i was in labour with DS2!) and a 7 month old. So iam pretty much a veteran at this not sleeping malarky!

I have sympathy for you (along with a reassuring, knowing nod !)

Susie loo I feel the 3-6:45 stretch as well

I have just woken up from a lovely lovely 2-hour nap. Is that cheating?

Why oh why can't Kid sleep like that at night?!

Arrrgggh, we had a rubbish night. Minipop was so unsettled, his snotty nose kept waking him up, and he seems to like sleeping on me from 4am

I am also coming down with his cold so really felt rough all through the night feeds.

goat totally not cheating

susie I really want to get back out running, was meant yo go yesterday but DP was late back from his outing so I couldn't go.

Hey milky welcome

hope everyone's doing ok today. What's do you all do with your little ones during the day?

Minipop is 9 weeks corrected & I need some inspiration about what else to do with him for activities.

Minipop about the cold - I really hope you recover very soon and it's not too bad.
You have asked the question I was wanting to ask, about what everyone does during the day (other than catch up on sleep!)
We do lots of music stuff, as Kid seems to enjoy this more than anything. Maybe as he has no hand coordination yet. If anyone on this thread wants some nice stuff that seems to work, pm me and I am happy to send you some copies. CDs and music activities...

Missmarbles went down at 7.40ish. She coulds barely keep her eyes open at 6, which is far too early, so she was stripped and washed and pyjamaed, so that at least she would not be disturbed if she did fall asleep, but she woke up all sparky and then fell asleep proper after a feed. I won't be long behind her.

My tummy isn't too bad, thanks, Susie.

Hope everyone gets decent sleep tonight.

Oops posted too soon!

Poor Minipop, on the cold front Missmarbles also prefers to sleep on me from about 4, knackering isn't it? I hope his cold goes soon, and he doesn't have residual snuffly snot for ages after.

Hi Milky.

Jealous of your nap Goat I tried but managed 20 minutes before Missmarbles woke up. She had been asleep for an hour by the time I thought it might be worth it though

Well baby B has just gone down so I'm watching some quality marine biology documentary baywatch with DH

Trying to make an effort to stay up a bit with DH, so I'll feed baby B again about 11ish then hope that will be it until 4 ish??!

Would be lovely!!

Scattering sleep dust and decongestant to everyone else xx

Hi

Was looking at the euan the sheep thing, on amazon they have the sheep is that what you guys are talking about?? or do you have that other thing that rocks the matress and makes womb sounds?

it looks good but can't imagine listening to a womb every night? or am I not desperate enough?

pip has slept all day after being awake all night thats two nights in a row, whats going on here?

anyway welcome velo

just noticed heffalumps also after the magic sheep we must be desperate then

does anyone use dentinox colic drop do you find that they help?

actually I'm on anti biotics maybe thats it

sorry I'm thinking out loud, I know everyone on the thread is sleep deprived so I don't expect answers maybe just the sheep thing though if Babylon is up to it thanks

Acquired a Ewan Sheep here also Got some vouchers from work so thought I'd treat myself LO . Whoever suggested that should be on commission!

Not sure what night I'm in for as some strange nap/over tired behaviour the last couple of days so feed and sleep times more random than usual. We'll see....

Happy Zzzzzz's

Baywatch babylon

velo I had a similar situation after a curry and I asked my hv about it and she said it wouldn't have made any difference!!

I'm not sure what else to do with babyloo in the day either, I dangle his Lamaze purple elephant at him and another light a bear thing but he's more interested in eating his hand!! What sort of music things do you do goat?

Feel better soon minipop colds suck

Hello and good evening to everyone

Babyloo very awake today so went to bed at half seven and was just starting to move around about ten minutes ago so I'm attempting a dream feed, he refused to wake up at first but is feeding now so hopefully he won't be awake at half one out of habit.

My parents are having him for a couple of hours tomorrow for bottle practice while I meet some work friends for lunch, we are going to a French bistro we used to go to when I was pregnant and couldn't eat very much so tomorrow I'm going to make up for it with loads of pâté and cheese.

Have good sleeps all, hopefully see you back around 3 which would be a four hour stretch, here's hoping!

Should have been a big grin after baywatch babylon!!

First feed of the night here, DH has been downstairs since about 10ish with baby lump watching the snooker and just brought her up to me after I finally managed the nap I've been after all day. She's been very awake this evening so hoping that means more sleep tonight, ladt night wasn't good she woke up every single time I out her down so spent most of the night dozing with her on my chest.

funchum it was really straightforward to put together, I'm useless at that sort of thing but I did it myself in about ten minutes.

Hi milky

Hope all the bunged up noses clear soon, snotty babies are extra hard work!

Ok fed one side at 11 and she fell asleep and has just woken to have the other. I thought after 25 mins on the first boob that she'd be full but no - clearly she needs to stay awake for both if I want a stretch of sleep. Doh.

Thanks for the info re the troll cot heffalumps that may well be the way we go.

In the day she mainly sleeps at the moment but when she is alert I sit and make faces and talk to her. Can't wait for some smiles!

Susieloo the French bistro sounds great and I am envious of the cheese! I always said that cheese was the one thing I couldn't live without, and what's the one thing that def makes a difference to Kid(not in a good way) if I eat it?... Hope you really enjoy!

Heffalump sounds like you have another snooker fan there, maybe a good way of wearing her out?

All these recommendations for little Ewan! I may have to try. Kid will not sleep anywhere but on my chest and has refused to do so since coming home from the neonatal unit. Any other suggestions for how I can get him to sleep, even if it's just beside me? He's getting heavy!

Baywatch is still around? Where? Where??

Back again, she only slept for 40 minutes woken by a pooey nappy so we've been down to change and now back in bed feeding and hoping she'll fall back asleep enough so I can put her down.

DD1 is at her childminder's tomorrow so I'm hoping after we get back from our coffee morning I can give baby lump to DH and get a decent nap in. He's been fantastic keeping DD1 occupied but I haven't had the heart to leave him alone looking after the both of them just yet so daytime naps have been rare. I think he's almost as knackered as me even though he's getting more sleep, keeping up with 2yo DD1 all day is no mean feat!

While I'm up I'm going to have a little look at this Ewan, how are those of you who have one getting on, is it still making a noticeable difference do you think?

<waves to heffalump and funchum>

Also on boob number 2/2 after a pooey nappy rescued just in time before it tsunami-d over the nappy edge & up the vest, phew!

I don't know about Ewan the sheep but with DD1 we were given a bear called Prince Lionhearted (can find link if anyone interested) and it had a 'womb machine' inside that could also do static/white noise /waves/lullaby and record your voice. We found it v useful for first few months.

<waves back and offers round late night biscuit stash> I'll have a little google for the lion too, thanks for the recommendation. Something's got to work! Currently sat with snoring baby on my chest and snoring DH on my legs. She's too snuggly to move just yet and he's just too bloody heavy! Quite comfortable for now though, am contemplating using these night times to start getting organised for the C word although depending on how tired I am it may be risky and people may end up with some odd presents.

goat its funny how they do seem to like it, DD1 was fascinated by the snooker until about a year old, we wondered if it was the bright green colour that caught her eye but didn't complain as it meant we could watch it relatively peacefully!

I'm jealous of your outing tomorrow susieloo, I am a cheese addict. Hope you have a lovely time

First feed of the night here, little man has been unsettled allllll day apart from a sleep on me this afternoon (I slept too and I secretly love this ), but went down at half 9 and only up at 1:45 for a feed so must have been knackered!

Hope everyone is ok!

Back again - I am paying for the peaceful day we have had! She has had both sides this time so hopefully will sleep for a bit. Hopefully.

What biscuits are in our virtual stash? I fancy a soft chewy doughy cookie!

Sounds like I need to get into watching snooker too!

I have started on Xmas - must resist the urge to present entire family with framed baby pics!

<drool> at soft chewy doughy cookie. Yum I had Rolo cookies today, they were pretty good. There's got to be a bourbon or ten lurking in the barrel somewhere too.

For DD1s first Christmas we got mugs made for all the GPs with her hand & footprints on, will probably do something similar this year for DD2 but not sure what yet. Even tea monster MIL can only use one mug at a time.

Oh yuck, DH has just rolled over and he's all gross and sweaty, how do they sleep like that?!

So, back to thinking of biscuits...

Mmmm cookies sound good, although I just had some chocolate pretzels (very naughty for this time in the morning )

It's funny as I am tempted to give everyone pictures of baby for Christmas too lol, new mums heh

2nd feed of the night and timing was as predicted, think we will be back around half five.

Mmmmmmmmmmm biscuits......

My sil has given me a framed picture of my nephews most Christmas's and its been great otherwise I would never get an up to date photo of them because I don't see them regularly enough.

Babyloo not settling at all, oh dear.

3rd feed of night; the first being 11.30, which makes three feeds in four hours Not amused, and knackered. Settling well only in arms/on shoulder/chest. Supposed to be having a girlie day out with my uni mates (we try and do this a few times a year) but I'm so tired.....
Hope everyone else having a better night.
Please send the biscuits this direction. And a virtual brew. Would love, but too tired for, the real thing.

<makes for everyone>

<gets busy dunking biscuits>

I'm still up I think she's getting harder to put down, I held her for an hour tonight trying to make sure she'd be in a properly deep sleep but still 5 minutes after going back in the crib she's waking again, not even for a feed at first either, just wanting picking up again. Have woken her a bit more to make sure she does feed now so that hopefully this time she will stay asleep <begs>

mrsnpattzim jealous of your pretzel fix! DH bought me some dark chocolate pretzel flips yesterday, they were gorgeous! Wish I'd thought to bring some up to bed.

I am back, babyfunch up with her heaviest nappy yet and now feeding again though I think mote for comfort than hunger. It always sends her to sleep bit I never know if she is really full or not.

Dh is taking her downstairs to sleep for a bit so I can get a bit more quiet before next feed. Not sure this will achieveuch, she will still want feeding just as quick but I suppose I won't stay awake listening to her!

Now pass that biscuit barrel. I am starving!

Mmmm biscuits, I'll have a double chocolate cookie please if there is one. Or maybe I'll pass round my virtual bag of lindor chocolates which I am currently addicted to!
We're on our second feed. I kicked DH out tonight as couldn't cope with noisy baby sucking on my nipple and noisy snores in my ear from DH. So we've had the bed to ourselves and its been lovely. I only cosleep when DH is not here as am frightened of him squashing DS. Going to try and put him in his basket when he falls asleep as probably shouldn't get him too used to sleeping with me as I can't do it every night.

Am I allowed to join or is it too late?

DD 4.5 months woke me at 2, did 45 min feed then hasn't gone back to sleep! Cur crying from us both, DH taking her from me so I could have a few moments by myself, both of us calming down then more crying.

Now having another BF in the hopes it will make her pass out I'm tired and trying not to cry

Hi squishy never too late (or too early!), there's always someone up! E have biscuits tonight too, what do you fancy?

Sounds like you're having a tough night, hope you can both get some sleep soon.

I've just had a little mini meltdown as baby lump woke up again after being put down only to fall asleep the second she was back on me again. I've not had a wink of sleep yet all night so feeling a bit sorry for myself & had a bit of a cry.

I'm getting a Ewan tomorrow. Please god let it work!'

Welcome squishy - the more the merrier!

Mmm, can I have a chewy cookie too? White chocolate and raspberry if there's one. And a cup of hot chocolate to complete the choc fest. What happened to me? Pre-Kud, even all the way through pregnancy, I never ad a sweet tooth like this.

Extra rations for those having mini meltdowns. Sleep deprivation combined with what feels like constant feeding is a real downer. Hope everyone gets at least some sleep soon. Sleepy mice and drowsy dust all round.

Ooooh, I'll have a soft chewy cookie if one's going spare!

Tonight is my first night of Ewan but I find it relaxing nevermind LO

As predicted more feeding than usual tonight and just had to get up to deal with explosive poo, allll up the back, on sleeping bag, yep, nice! Luckily she seems to have gone off, we'll see when I do transfer to basket.... we're on 8 wk growth spurt here so good its over soon.

DP is back at work now and sleeping in our bed. I feel bad making noise and try to keep quiet so he doesn't wake up. I'm jealous of the snoring and sleeping through feeds but must be tough being tired at work. For this reason and the fact she's a little grunter, anyone moved LOs to own room yet - or thinking about it?

Morning everyone, wrote a long post during the last feed & my phone list it... Grrrrr!

SO so so tired, and feeling very sorry for myself, especially with this cold. Think I am almost on breaking point re lack of a new, too

have managed a 5 hour gap between feeds. But it took a lot of effort & sleeping on me to accomplish this.

13 minutes left then hopefully I can get back into my nice warn bed.

The hot chocolate bar is open. Who's up for a hot mug with whipped cream and marshmallows?

I will have a chocolate digestive please contact or maybe one of those m&S special cookies.

Have read all posts, welcome to everyone new. Xx

Oh Heffalump poor you.

Baby B just had feed number 4 since 11pm

Good god the boy can eat

I wonder why they do this regression thing

Minipop I'll take a hot choc with the works please - I'm bloody starving again

Squishy just seen your post too

Now repeat after me as many times as necessary........

"THIS TOO SHALL PASS"

Marbles, SusieLoo I think we've hit the same stage again haven't we?

It will pass, won't it????

This is all new to me now as both DDs were sleeping through every night by now - but they were also both on bottles by this time.

I have to remember how much money I've saved us by EBFing DS and how proud of myself I am for actually doing it for this long at all

Come on ladies think happy thoughts

Yep, feed number four here too.
I'm hallucinating that hot choc now...

Bang on half five he was awake, he's not even hungry but had kicked all his blankets off so may have been cold? I have ordered him a purflo sleep sac so hopefully that will fit him. Agree babylon we all seem to have gone back weeks recently and mini marbles and babyloo are about to hit the three month growth spurt-oh joy!!

Hello squishy it is hard going isn't it, I have had many a meltdown

He sees to have resettled so I'm going to try for another hour.

I'll have a soft chewy cookie please and a big mug of tea! Too tired to post before now. DS slept from 7 until 10 last night without his usual cluster feed and I knew I'd pay for it later as he has no desire to sleep tonight at all but also hasn't wanted to feed as much as usual. We've also had lots of poop and now we're onto hiccups. And wide eyes that don't look sleepy at all. Oh the joys! DH is already up for work so I hope we can steal some more sleep once he goes.

Planning to attend a local Bf support group today just to check I'm doing it all right and ask some questions, but I'm not sure I have the energy now!

Sending well wishes to those of you with sniffles and hope you feel better soon.

Going to try and get him to feed again to see if that knocks him out...I very much doubt it!

heffalumps they sound gorgeous! Where are they from?

Sorry everyone is having such a bad time - we literally have to take if one night at a time don't we, or even an hour at a time. Does anyone else get anxious as night time draws closer, wondering what the night will bring, or is that just me?

Ewan worked again earlier, I didn't think he was going to but he didn't let me down.

I'm a bad mum - little fella just got sick on his head and it made me laugh lol

Oh ps, word of advice, don't try and order things on iPad at 3am! I got a groupon for a photo canvas thing, and had started ordering it yesterday but got distracted. Tonight I went back to it, and had to start again. When I got to check out I thought it had remembered my order and thus my groupon code so I merrily went along putting in my card details to pay for the postage only to discover that it had not in fact remembered my groupon and I had paid 50 quid for it so now I have 2 of the bloody things coming and have spent over 60 quid!! I didn't even want one of the bloody things, but got it cause it was cheap lol

Yes Mrsnpattz, I get anxious each night knowing it won't be easy!

I also laugh at things like sick on head... I figure it's better for him to see my smiling face than me crying

Thanks babylon, you're right it will and i'll keep telling myself that. I'm going to be keeping positive & taking it an hour at a time today. Well done you as well, and everyone who's still going, it's definitely something you deserve to feel proud of

Mrsnpattz There's an old fashioned sweet shop in our town that does all sorts of gorgeous goodies, DH bought me a bag to cheer me up at the weekend and I've nearly scoffed the lot already.

I know what you mean re the anxiousness at night, I was worse with DD1 I was terrified of night time and not knowing how she'd be. I'm better this time as I think it's less of a shock but I do get a bit anxious wondering if I will be able to get any sleep or not.

We both finally got to sleep about half 5, I tried putting her width ways in the crib so I could sort of lay beside her without her being in our bed and it seemed to work as she could still hear and feel me so we slept until DD2 came bounding in demanding cbeebies

heffalumps yum think I will have to google those!

Glad I'm not alone with the anxiousness, I'm always kind of glad once morning arrives

Last feed before bed then its shower and bed for me too, my French bistro plans all went pear shaped because I opened the window in our bedroom this morning and realized there was an overwhelming smell of gas outside, in a complete panic I googled gas leaks and called the emergency number, they asked me to go outside and check if the smell was coming from the meter cupboard which it was so they said they would send an engineer within the hour. He then starts telling me loads of safety procedures like don't turn anything off or on so I decided to leave with babyloo and go to mil's up the road, I am to admit I went in my pjs I was so panicky about the house exploding, agreed with British gas they would ring me when they got there to gain entry to the house. They rang and I left babyloo with mil and an emergency bottle of formula and legged it back down the road still in pjs and a coat. The engineer was on the drive and as soon as I got there he said "it's a cat!!!!!" Apparently when Tom cats mark their territory it smells like gas and they get lots of calls about it!! It was a cat!!!!. The cat had sprayed all around our bins which is where the gas meter is. The engineer was very lovely and checked the house over anyway. I'm just grateful that I didn't go with my first thought which was call the fire brigade and alert the neighbours!!!!

In my haste I had rung work friends and cancelled so didn't get to go and eat loads of post pregnancy food.

Felt very, very tired today, really, really need some sleep, babyloo has given up sleeping in the day and by six o clock couldn't keep his eyes open so he had a quick bath then bed at seven ish.

Hope you all get some sleep and sending sparkly sleep dust and sleepy mice out to everyone

So last night, DS went down for his "late evening nap" at 8ish in his basket in the lounge, and usually he will wake around the time I want to go to bed, when I change his nappy and put his sleepsuit on and we both go to bed. Except he is starting to not really stir or wake when I want to go to bed.

So tonight I have put him down in his crib upstairs. I fed him on both sides, but he was still wide awake when I put him down (although had already made signs that he was ready to sleep). I stayed with him for a bit, played lullabies on his monitor - still wide awake! (but quiet) I've turned the lullabies off now and he has just dropped off to sleep. I am intrigued to see how this will affect his first waking.

He woke me up at 3am this morning with laughing. In his sleep. He is an odd baby!

I hope there are many good nights on the thread tonight

susie never heard that before about cat wee! Shame you missed nice dinner out . Just thinking it was a good you had emergency milk stash, I should do that, almost too lazy to express...

Tried to go with a routine I saw online today which is similar to LOs natural one (when she's not 7 wk growth spurting anyway!). Let's see about nighttime, the true test!

Happy zzzzzz's everyone I'm turning in for an early night as keep missing daytime naps.

Susie you poor thing! That sounds really stressful, and you didn't get your post pregnancy pate! Presumably you can rearrange but still annoying. But at least your house didn't explode.

Last feed before bed here, and hoping for minimum 2 hours between feeds tonight. I don't think I can ask for more from a five day old baby but it would be nice to have some solid stretches of sleep. Good luck ladies!

Ps have ordered a Ewan the dream sheep today!

Susieloo, what a nerve racking experience! But I'm glad it turned out not to be anything dreadful like a gas leak... And you definitely need to reschedule that dinner to celebrate!
Tea, sounds like your DS has good dreams!
Lois, what is the routine? Tell us if it works.
Funch, fingers crossed for some solid blocks of sleep.

So those of you &#373;ith prems - how have you found the developmental milestones? Real age, correctd or somewhere in between? Also things like night feeding - when did you let them go longer between feeds without waking them? Although that last might be sadly unexplored territory for us all yet...

Evening all

Missmarbles went down just after 8; and has just woken for a feed no idea what that means. Hopefully a top up before a really long stretch, and not 2hourly feeds of growth spurt proportions! Who mentioned regression? I really hope not.

Hope minipop is getting over his cold and minipopsmum.

Sorry to giggle at the gas/cat incident Susie! I didn't know that either, but glad your house didn't blow up

Sorry I can't remember other specific posts, nearly sleeping already if Missmarbles would finish her supper.

with prems - what on earth happened there??!

Goat I've not been paying very much attention to milestones, but I'm guessing he is reaching them somewhere between actual and corrected age, probably more towards the corrected age end. He seems to be fairly in line with babies born around his due date, although he is perhaps a bit more alert and engaged - but his motor type skills are definitely more linked with corrected age.

How old is Kidlet now? I always let DS dictate when he wanted to feed at night, but he has always been a good weight gainer (and never failed to let me know when it was time to feed!) so there was never a need to wake him to feed, which I know is necessary for many prems when they are little. It took him until 4 months actual, 2 months corrected to start sleeping for longer than 3 hours with any sort of consistency, I reckon.

I have to confess it is all a bit of a blur and I can't really recall what happened when now!

Goat, my first was prem and fed 2 hourly. Day and night. Til she was at least 6 months actual. Tbh I lost track of when she stopped waking through the night because I gave up hope she would. Sorry, I know that doesn't sound very helpful. She did become extremely efficient though. She would feed and be back to sleep within 10 minutes so I think I just got used to it and didn't feel I had been massively disturbed even though I had to get up because she was in her own room. I remember one night she slept from 7-4 for the first time, and my boobs felt like they would explode! She was weaning by then though.
Re milestones, some were before corrected age some at corrected age but none at actual age until after 18 months and I was told to tell teachers that she had been prem, up to the age of 7, but I haven't felt I have needed to. (She was just over 10 weeks prem).
Hth

(didn't have to wait to see when DS would first wake up, as DH decided he wanted to wake him up before he went to bed was quite funny watching him try to wake hm by kissing his face etc, and DS' responding body language was most definitely "sod off!" At least now I am feeding him and we should both go to sleep for a good few hours, fingers crossed)

Hi all, well I've just tried putting baby lump down to sleep after her feed, she's having none of it though so I'm anticipating another long night. At least tonight I remembered to bring snacks up to bed with me, I was so hungry last night I'm sure it was my belly rumbling keeping her awake!

susieloo that's such a shame you missed your dinner, hope you get to rearrange soon and at least on the positive side you're house is ok after all!

Sending sleepy thoughts out to all the little ones tonight so the mummies can get some rest

Second feed still going on here. Seems its going to be 2 hourly. Not amused This is supposed to be when she does her long stretch. Perhaps she's changing her habit and she's going to do a long stretch from now....

First feed of the night over here but he's not settling so think we will be up again in a minute, hope we get another two or three hours now or even until 4 would be amazing

Thanks, teaandmarbles just worrying I guess in case I miss something! Kidlet is now 12weeks actual age, 3 1/2 weeks corrected. There certainly is no danger of him sleeping through the night any time soon, but yesterday he was very sleepy and didn't want to wake after 5 hours a couple of times. NNU had said I shouldn't leave him longer than that, but then he weighs a lot more now. I am just a bit worried though that he takes approx 90 mins to drink 100 ml even from a bottle (am mix feeding) unless I am pretty much pouring it down him. Makes for an interesting feeding cycle!

Mm, heffalump - snacks! So organised! Although hope you don't need too many because you are asleep.

Nappy changed and first night feed here - she did 3 hours and I am so grateful! Another 3 would be a godsend. Mw came today and said I don't have to offer both Boone every feed unless I think she really wants both, and the first boob is empty, so can feed for slightly shorter periods too, while she is so young.

Fingers crossed for a nice long sleep stretch now...

I never knew that about cats and gas! Sorry you didn't get your nice lunch Susie, couldn't help but giggle at your story though!

We have both been asleep since 10 and now on first feed...not sure what this will mean for the rest of the night as first feed usually comes a bit later than this, so the few hours of sleep I stole early may mean I get less overall. Hope not!

First feed, damnit so that's three hours.

Goat if that's daytime you are talking, I wouldn't let them go any more than 4 hours.

I only have 2 satsumas as snacks tonight - boring!! I hope you have something more interesting heffalump

Hello first feed going on here since he went to bed at midnight so I guess we're on 3 hourly feeds which is better than last night where he fed solidly from 11 until 2 and then wanted more at 4!
Amazon have advised that ewan the sheep is on his way to me- yay!

Second feed here...as expected I think he is cramming in an extra one tonight. Although I think the wet nappy was to blame for his wake up rather than hunger.

I have a cereal bar as snack tonight. Boring! Didn't dare bring the pack of hobnob cookies to bed as they're so disappointingly small I can eat them in one bite and would eat the whole pack. That's the problem with online shopping, inability to judge the size of the biscuit when getting sucked in by their special offers!

2nd feed of the night over here but we have not had a particularly restful three hours because dp has been snoring and thrashing around like he's being chased by wild bears or something.

Glad you all got a smile from my cat and gas story, I had to ring my mum back after the engineer had been to tell her everything was fine and she couldn't speak for five minutes she was laughing so much

Not sure that feed was worth waking up for so think we will be back around half five

2 brief false alarms since last feed and she has now latched on properly. Babyfunch has developed a daft habit of stuffing both hands into her mouth just as I try to bring her to the breast; then she wails because she's not getting fed! They're not very bright at this age, are they?

DH has got up and is going to sleep a bit longer with her downstairs to give me some deeper sleep time. Hopefully this is the last feed before morning for all of us....

Snack du soir is homemade banana cereal bars!

I certainly do mrsnpattz, it involves chocolate

<offers round bag of late night chocolate goodies>

Baby lump has just dropped off on my chest, we had an hours sleep earlier then woke to the now obligatory middle of the night poo. After changing she wanted feeding again but was very unsettled afterwards, I think due to wind but I struggled to get her to bring it up. Now waiting to let her go into deep sleep before I try putting her down again.

Hope the rest of you are coping tonight and there's lots of nice long chunks of sleep going on.

funchum homemade banana cereal bars sound amazing, even though I have chocolate I am a little jealous!

And now we have giggling
We did get 3 hours between midnight and 3 but am feeding again at 4. I could cry....

Our babies are behaving exactly the same again marbles we have been up since half three and he doesn't seem that bothered about going back to sleep, I have just had to go downstairs and have a little weep, there is nothing more frustrating than a baby that won't settle, also not sure how much longer I can keep going on three hour blocks of sleep

It's jabs for babyloo today which last time resulted in blood curdling screaming and no sleep until 8am, dreading it

We're up for first feed of the night, last one was at 10:30pm, all I need to do is work out how to get Minipop to sleep for the whole five hour gap instead of waking everything hour his snotty nose isn't helping either

need to catch up on posts.

How are all the ewans doing?

susie funny story better safe than sorry though!

goat what kind of music things do you do?

An I join?
I have a 4 day old son. I've just spent 1h and 15 mins feeding him,had to express and manged 10ml. Been awake all nite as he generally is crying from 2-6. Not tonight had to wake him.

I have to feed him at 6, again. I'm going to and express before hand so it's quicker.
Evil.

Please tell me this is a growth spurt. Since going to bed, she's fed at 9.30, 11.30, 3.00, and 4.00. She's now sharing my bed in a vain attempt to get to 7.30. I'm going to town to by a sheep this morning. I realise if its a growth spurt this may not help, but need to try as these are not 'proper' feeds, I don't think.
This too shall pass......

Lots of cross-posts
Hi Evil
Susie, Missmarbles second jabs were easier than first, if that gives any hope. She barely noticed them second time around. She had a bit of a cold too though, so any grizzling she did have not sure which to attribute it to.
Mini here you are

Hello minipop and welcome evil and congratulations on you lo.

Babyloo isn't feeding properly either marbles or not feeding like he has on previous growth spurts. He stayed awake all day so went to sleep at 7.40, up again at 11.00 ish then back to sleep at twelve then up at 3 and has been awake on and off ever since and is now wide awake. We did better when he napped in the day and went to sleep at nine. He isn't really that hungry when he's waking up after the first feed.

Hmm, I'm afraid Heffalump wins on the snack stakes
<eyes own stash of dried apricots warily>

Lots of screaming tonight. I don't think the Gaviscon is working. marbles and susie we too are on to feed number 5 so I really sympathise. Do you think they are comparing notes again?

Minipop hope your own cold is better. Musicwise we spend lots of time lepping round the room to some great CDs of action songs, or doing low/high, fast/slow stuff. Or rather, I do while Kid looks at me in bemused fashion, obviously wondering if it's too late to swap his mum for someone sane...

Welcome, Evil. Draw up your nursing chair and have some hot chocolate.

Yum to chocolate and home made cereal bars - funchum that is very impressive, did you make them?

I am starving tonight but really can't be bothered going downstairs. Second feed here, really tired and have a head ache. He is sleeping now so going to try and put him down

And 5.45

MrsNPattz I think we must be up at the same time each night! How old is your LO?

We are on feed number 3. We usually have just 2 a night so I'm hoping this is a growth spurt and after we've gone back to sleep for 3 hours (wishful thinking) I'll wake up to a giant baby!

Homemade banana cereal bars are making my mouth water!

Where did I miss homemade banana bars? Can I join the queue?

Now feeding and yelling simultaneously. You have to admire the ability to multitask.

I did indeed make the cereal bars (domestic goddess that I am). It took about ten mins plus oven time - like a flapjack recipe only I put a load of seeds in so I could claim they are healthy and eat loads more!

So DH took babyfunch downstairs in her basket so I could sleep at about 3.45. She cried for a feed so he brought her back at about half four. Since he wasn't in with us I fed her lying down and then slept til half six when she cried for a feed but only fed for 3 mins before dropping off again. So I have had some sleep, though broken up, and am starting to think that this feeding while lying down may be the way forward - we can both drift off to sleep more easily. BUT it means kicking DH out of bed. I didn't want to do that but the bed just isn't big enough for all 3 to be safe.

Have just remembered heffalump's troll bedside cot....am going to order it today! Could be the solution!

Welcome evilwater my LO is 6 days so at a similar stage - every day and night has been different so far over here! Hope you yourself are recovering well from the birth.

smicha haha yes I think so! My little man is 3 weeks! Hold is your little one?

Not the best night last night but I didn't need Ewan!

funchum good on you that sound soooo good!

smicha obviously that should have said how old not hold lol!

Right, I am joining team Ewan, mine is ordered and on its way. I can't remember which of you first suggested him but I hope you're getting commission!

funchum I am impressed, all I've managed to 'cook' since baby lump was born is toast!

We had our 10 day midwife check today, I was a bit worried we wouldn't have got back to birth weight as she's been quite sick the last few days but turns out I needn't have worried as she's now up to 10lbs! Midwife said the sick was probably because she's just being a little greedy guts and taking more than she has room for. So we're discharged now and over to the health visitors, I'm hoping they're good round here as our last lot were nice but a bit rubbish.

Off for a nap in a bit, then we'll see what tonight brings. Hope everyone's had relatively restful days in preparation for another night feeding all our hungry little ones

Babyfunch has slept most of the day so I suspect may be wakeful tonight. I am giving her a big feed now, and then I am going to get some sleep in straight away to try and get ahead of the tiredness. I think this is a cunning plan..we shall see!

Good luck for happy sleeps everyone!

It was babylon who suggested Ewan - definitely deserves commission

I thought I was just about to get some sleep but little rascal woke up for another feed, I am better prepared with snacks tonight though - chocolate and an iced mince pie (yes I know it's only October lol)

'See' you all soon!

(Catching up on posts, so sorry replies are to posts a few pages back )
Thanks Marbles cold is getting slowly better, MiniPop is still a snot monster though, and we have to go on a booger-hunt every morning. I am amazed how long some of them are..

Goat MiniPop was 10 weeks early, he's 9 weeks corrected this week. I've not really paid much attention to milestones as I think they all go out the window when they're so prem. For example he was smiling at about 5 weeks, but he's only just started to learn how to get his hands in his mouth.

I don't really know what he's meant to be doing and when, but he seems to be in line with his corrected age. I stopped worrying about time between feeds and waking him up as soon as the health visitor said there was absolutely nothign wrong with his weight (he's over 6kg/13lbs) now.

But as he has such bad refulx and tummy issues, he doesn't sleep for ages so we're doing a 3.5 hour routine, last night time feed is 10:30pm, then around 4am and his morning feed is at 8:30am (if he's hungry earlier then he gets fed, but he's actually quite on time)

Heffalump I always have snacks too, Eat Natural bars are current fave along with any chocolate we have

I think someone said this on the last thread, but it;s quite funny that there are a few premmie mums on this thread... Although still no sign of Sarita?

There is a Ewan the sheep game!! Just bought it in the App Store in the hope it might send me to sleep

I just PMed Sarita - her LO was already 6 months + so maybe she doesn't have as much reason to be on MN in the night anymore? I hope that's why anyway

DS and I had a lovely day with my mum today, we took a trip to the V&A. DS absolutely adores his Nana, it is utterly wonderful to watch. He has been so much more vocal with her today then he has ever been. I swear his first word will end up being to her!

Unfortunately the dreaded teething complaints returned this evening and we had another meltdown (although we seem to be stable-ish on one or two per week, which is an improvement!) and calpol was given. He's usually very good at nodding off if he's put down when he is looking sleepy, but he was fighting it quite a bit this evening. Consequently when I put him upstairs in his crib, I was so fixated on trying to get him to sleep that I forgot I needed to change him to his night nappy <doh> So for the second night running he is going to be woken up when I head to bed for a change and a feed. He only lasted 3 hours last night after I did that, so fingers crossed it is not cause and effect!

Now, where is my husband? He had a work event this evening, but said he was tired and would be heading home as early as he could. But it's 10pm already...

My poor Ewan is lifeless, I feel left out now! I'll have to find some new batteries.

Ewan is doing his "thing" in Babylon Towers as I type

I haven't been terribly active on here the last couple of weeks - sadly not because DS is sleeping through! Actually because my eyes hurt so much trying to keep them open to read is a nightmare

Must try harder - and yes, I think I may approach Ewans manufacturers about claiming some commission!!!!

Susie I just read about the cat/gas

You poor thing

Hello everyone I am really struggling to keep my eyes open, babyloo been asleep since half seven so I was hoping for first feed to be 11 at the earliest. He has had his injections today so that may be why he is up, not quite as bad a reaction as last time but still the horrible crying uncontrollably for a while. He's gone back to sleep so must follow suit, will be back around half one I think, hopefully he will last that long.
Glad you pm'd Sarita tea

I went to town to get a sheep today so I didn't have to wait for delivery but couldn't get one so online it is

Haha at booger-hunting and their length once hunted, Mini. It never ceases to amaze me the length of them!!

That's why I am do crap at replying to individual posts, Babylon, I can barely keep my eyes open.

Missmarbles went down at 8.30 tonight (like before) and is still quiet so hopefully, we will get back to what we were doing before she decided 2 hourly overnight feeding was the way ahead on Monday. She really is getting too big for the crib but I need to tidy her bedroom before I can put her in the cot. I had hoped that I wouldn't have to be up so many times before she went in her own room, but I have her sheet in my bed tonight to make the cot up tomorrow, and she will be in it by the end of the week

G'night all; will 'see' you later. My hopeful prediction is 2, but likely be earlier.

Yes mini I too am amazed at the size of things that come out of little mans nose!
I am now a proud ewan owner and he is on as we speak. I am hiding in the nursery and leaving ewan and DS alone in our room for a while whilst ewan works his magic- I can't hear anything so maybe it is working. I'm a bit scared to go back in really in case I am greeted by a wide awake baby instead of a sleeping one!

We are back to waking every two hours by the looks of it!! Really font know how I'm going to stay awake tonight if this I'd going to be all night, or he gets to half four and wants to get up!!

Have a good night y'all!!

Good luck with the ewan effect, smallgreen. Mine should arrive on Monday and I'm intrigued now!

Babyfunch had a good sleep after 8.30 feed and has lasted til now so my early night did get me a couple of hours' sleep. Hoping she will last til 4ish after this one.

Tomorrow I am heading out alone with her for the first time, to an NCT coffee morning. It involved driving so I get to try her in the carseat in my little Fiat and negotiate parking somewhere I have never been before. Am actually a teensy bit nervous which is unlike me!
Good luck tea with the teething - o am frankly terrified by the idea of that stage....

mrsnpattz Yay for mince pies, and even more so to iced ones! I love them, must get stocked up!

Happy feeding and sleeping everyone...

Hi all...I'm so sick of feeding! Mini smich fed pretty much every hour yesterday, including two feeds while the health visitor was with us. I really hope it's just a growth spurt that passes as my nipples are very sore

MrsNPattz mine is just over 2 weeks so they must be on similar night wake ups...although based on yesterday's feeding pattern I'm not expecting much sleep tonight. And I forgot to bring snacks to bed. Grrr.

Whinge over!

Back again,
My son was two weeks early, and he has been weighed today and put on 66 grams but still yellow. I managed to use my hand pump and collected 40ml!

Now for the bad, my poor nipples are very sore. They have been chewed, and bitten, flattened, squished and any thing else. So I've decided to pump into a bottle. I know this does not make me a bad mum, but why do I feel so bad?

Evil

Hi all, lots of posts tonight! Hope this is a flurry of LO activity at the beginning of the night, and from here on in there will be tumbleweed blowing across the thread as everyone slumbers gently and happily...
Thanks to the prem mums... I will stop worrying some time I guess (when Kid is about 40?)! Minipop, Kid is the other way round - hasn't quite smiled yet, but can stuff both hands in his mouth, usually along with teat or nipple!
Went to the dr today about our feeding difficulties, just to rule out stuff as you do, and be was a right useless !!$*! Made me feel really crappy for asking. But surely taking an hour to drink 10 ml isn't normal?... HV is great on some things but not really on feeding. evil there is so much pressure out there about it all isn't there, but please don't feel bad, I think we all do so well!
Sorry not to reply to all posts - although iced mince pies are a cultural item that have passed meby despite 18 years in this country! I might like mince pies like that. Experimentation needed...

first feed at 00.26

because my stupid eyes thought it said 06.26 and I got excited at the thought that I'd had almost 8 hours sleep.

The reality is I've had 1hr8mins and I'm now wide awake. DS won't settle back in crib so he's between me and DH (meaning I won't settle)

<sigh> another long night

Evilwater you need Lansinoh cream for your nipples - it's amazing stuff

First feed here - went from 10 til now with a bit of noise making at 12 but managed to both go back to sleep!

I have a breast feeding support group today, will be my second time going so still a bit shy I am really struggling with motivating myself to actually leave the house at the moment, could quite easily curl up with little man all day every day but force myself to go out!

Are many of you NCT members? Would you recommend? I am fancying going on an NCT postnatal course in January, but wasn't sure about becoming a member. Thanks.

Mince pie still in tact at the moment, however Cadbury Dairy Milk Golden Biscuit Crunch open

Evening all,

evil the fact that you are managing to express for your LO is great, and certainly you are not a bad mum. Well done for keeping going when you're feeling so sore. Expressing is bloody hard work you should be proud of yourself not feeling bad.

We've just come to bed, baby lump has been really sicky tonight we've had three huge stomach emptying pukes, so three changes of clothes and three goes at getting her back off to sleep after without help of boob. DH was lovely and stayed up with us to keep me company, I think loneliness is the worst thing about the nights, after tiredness of course so it was nice to sit up together for a bit. Anyway finally got her asleep all wrapped up in my arms and thought we'd be safe to come to bed. Of course within 10 minutes of being in her crib she is awake Hurry up Ewan, I'm expecting great things!

I really really want an iced mince pie now, having scoffed all the good snacks yesterday I've only got dates to munch on tonight. Not the same at all!

mrsnpattz I'm a member and its been fantastic, we did the pre natal course hoping to make a couple of new friends and it was really worth it. We all meet up once a week for coffee etc and often in between some of us get together for more chat, I'm so pleased I joined. We've been to a couple of nct run events too and the nearly new sales are usually fab. I'd say do the post natal course and chances are you'll meet some lovely people and hopefully make some friends too.

heffalumps thanks for the feedback re NCT, I think I may join! Your snacks are much healthier than mine

Well we have been awake nearly 2 hours and little man is still wide awake, this is all new to me as he usually falls asleep on boob!! Currently trying Ewan, but after that I'm stuck - help

mrsnpattz we did an NCT antenatal course as well as friends highly recommended it. We met 7 other lovely couples and it means we can access lots of help eg bf helplines etc (think you can call them if not a member too but not sure).

goat it is so wrong that your GP made you feel bad - he is the one not doing his job properly. Definitely try and fond out about local BF support groups, or contact the midwives even if you have been discharged - you should not have to struggle on alone.

heffalumps that level of vom sounds like quite an impressive feat by your LO! Poor thing buty sympathies, that must be very frustrating!

Feed no 2 here and so far, so good. Will spend rest of feed googling supermarkets to find out good mince pie ranges...

Ooooh iced mince pies - yum! [GRIN]

well, drum roll, Minipop had just slept from 11pm until 3:30am :-D uninterrupted. Whooooooop!

probably a complete fluke but I'll take it, as I have just had four hours sleep.

evil You're doing a fantastic job, please don't feel bad about expressing.

Oh babylon! [shocked] gutted for you re time. That's poo

We did Nct too mrsnpatz met some lovely people. I think you could opt to pay for the classes and not become a member.
Ewan worked! He slept until now, I was a bit worried height wake up when he stopped but he didn't- phew! Wonder how long I'll get out of him this time, hopefully until 7........
evil don't feel bad, it's hard work expressing and putting it in a bottle you're doing brilliantly. I did that too at the beginning as DS was dehydrated and they kept us in hospital longer and I had to express first and then also give him a formula top up. Once my milk came in properly and I was sure he was getting enough i stopped doing it as expressing is such hard work. My nipples were sore and cracked too but they got better quickly and we're back to normal bfing now.

Woop woop! Down at 8.30 first feed 1, second at 4. Good feed taken but rather stupidly, I started reading emails so I am only just settling now She was flat out on shoulder and has started twisting a bit now back in crib

Why do they take so long to feed sometimes......still hate after 45 mins. I've downloaded the ewan game, not sure who post about that. I keep falling in the sheep dip though and starting to feel sorry for poor little animated ewan!

A third here who would recommend nct. Just finishing the postnatal course and it was really useful as well as filled with great people.

Heffalump sorry to hear about the puking, pretty exhausting for you.

mrsn I hope you are asleep now!

minipopsmum fabr about the four hours! Hope Minipop passes on the secret via the starlight barking.

Back again, that was so much easier. Evil baby fed and settled in a hour, and so much less screaming. YAy!

Thanks for all your posts, it means alot. You are all awesome.
I have been putting on laninstosh cream as well as cabbage leaves.
Evil.

Aargh! Been attacked by the snot monster
Also, why is it, that she appears to be in a deep sleep just until I get comfy and back under the duvet, then twists/snorts/giggles(!)/etc?
Now have her in bed with me which means no more sleep as DD1 had nightmare and in here too. Very peed off with DH as he vacated to DD1's bed

minipop there must be something in the airtonight, don't know how it happened but we're up feeding now after sleeping since 2am, a four hour stretch! <dances> I feel so much better after a decent chunk of sleep, I cheated a bit though as although I'd put her down in the crib I lay horizontally in our bed so I could still have my head/shoulders next to her, and her head was on my arm (which is now a bit dead!) but still, sleep is sleep and I'm not going to complain

goat your GP shouldn't have made you feel like that its only natural to worry and much better to check things out even if they do come to nothing. Have you got any good bf support groups nearby, they might be a but more helpful and welcoming.

Hope everyone else is getting visited by the sleepy mice with their sleepy dust.

Success here too - tonight's feeds went 8.30 , 12.30,3.30,6.30 and I slept really soundly in between, so feeling good this morning for once. And dh has not done his 4am decamo with her so we have had our first full night where we all slept where we are meant to. Maybe she was doing this to mark her first full week in the world

Clearly the starlight barking worked in our favour for once as it sounds like a few of us have had sleepy babies tonight.

Glad you are feeling better evilwater - you are doing the right thing for your baby and hopefully with the right support you will be able to het back to bf'ing soon. And even if not, expressing still provides babyevil with the same nutrition. Chin up!

Today's job: to build iced mince pie (IMP) stash without losing too many to DH!

goat can you take your baby to the course with you?

I seem to have started a mince pie epidemic I think I must be the only person who isn't losing weight while breast feeding lol

We just got 3 hours, he pretty much went to sleep straight after I posted! But not because of Ewan tonight I might add

Sounds like you guys have had some really good sleep tonight - Yey

I'm jealous of you all with good sleeps! We had a 2 hour session from around 3.30 filled with poo, sick, wind and hiccups! Then he woke again just after 6...managed to get him to sleep in our bed til just after 7.30 but it feels like it has been a long night. We have our final midwife appointment this morning so I'm just hoping he will calm down enough to let me have a shower! Then I may go and buy some mince pies as a treat!

Smicha it definitely sounds like we have similar babies lol I don't think I'm going to manage a shower before our health visitor comes - and I really need one

Good morning everyone, too tired too post much last night, why am I only just learning about iced mince pies??? We were at my parents last night and staying here till tea time so I've just added iced mince pies to their shopping list!!

evil definitely get some lanisoh, it really helped me in the early days, you are doing amazingly well expressing, no need to feel bad at all.

I used to get really, really fed up of feeding too smicha, I had quite a few rants in the early days of the 'I can't feed the baby anymore I'm going out of my mind!!!' kind. Thankfully the cluster feeding mania has eased off in the last month.

Good luck with your outing today fun I am full of admiration because babyloo is 3 months old and I still haven't taken him out on my own in the car.

Agree with everyone else that your gp sounds like a donut goat. I second trying a bf group or call one of the la leche counsellors, I rang them a few times in the early days and they were great.

I had a similar experience with tired eyes babylon when I looked at our kitchen clock the other day and realized that the reason I was starving was because it was half one so made myself a very indulgent bowl of seafood spaghetti and sat down to eat it with the news and put the tv on only to realize our clock had stopped and it was half eleven!!! I'd only had breakfast at nine!! Hope you got some decent sleep in the end.

I agree that you have started a mince pie epidemic mrs, I may have to start eating them all the way up to Xmas, re weight loss and bf I didn't really start to lose any weight until very recently and I eat loads, I'm a very naturally greedy and hungry person and bf makes me constantly starving and I get the most overwhelming thirst as soon as he latches on but the weight is starting to come off.

I think it's quite lonely in the middle of the night too heff, that's what I love about this thread because you know there is someone else somewhere awake!!

I've just downloaded the ewan game too small! Anything else that can help keep my eyes open in the middle of the night has to be a good thing!

marbles good first sleep, can you ask baby marbles to tell babyloo that we are switching back from two hourly feeds to longer stretches, sorry she is snotty again that sucks.

Amazing sleep by minipop!!!! So glad you got a really good sleep.

Hope the teething is easing off tea.

Have a good day everyone.

susieloo very impressed that you managed to reply to us all in your post there is hope for me then re weight loss! Although I have just been shopping and stocked up on sweet stuff

Really tired today so not going to breast feeding group, going to sleep instead!

Mrsn babies are almost required! Absolutely more than welcome.

Defo got to check out this Ewan app

Had to put LO to bed at 6.30 today after a feed as she's been upset the last couple of nights from over-tiredness. Odd as she's been napping pretty well during the day. Takes her at least an hour to go off by herself which i'm trying to do in the evenings (with me popping in and out a lot!) but even still it almost feels like it's too early. What is everyone else's 8 wk old doing? Last night she went 6-1am between feeds, then 2.30, 4 and 7.

Guess I can't complain. Maybe I've got the timings wrong. Would prefer her to feed at 10pm but she didn't wake up!

Hope you a get some zzzz's . I'm turning in. Don't get to chat to DP much in the evenings but cream crackered by this time usually!

* hope you all get some zzzz's . Stoopid phone!

goat thank you - one more question, my little boy will be 4 months when I do the course, is that ok or is it more for newer mums? Cheers

Not a good day here, he has hardly slept and won't settle at all. I don't know what's wrong with him but I am dreading tonight managed a nap when hubby got home, but just feeling really fed up and useless, and tearful because of it.

mrsn not too old, in fact everyone else on my course had 3-4 month olds, Kid was the youngest by a long way! We had a great instructor who was willing to cover anything we wanted - the big topics for them were teething and weaning, very helpful actually. Mine was sleep!
I really hope your LO settles - hang in there.
Sleepy dust sprinkled on everyone.

Evening!

Reading back it looked like I was with Missmarbles about her snot, but I meant the blasted snot monster had got her poor little mite Anyway, she fell asleep for about 20 minutes before 7 but she woke when I put her into her sleeping bag. Had a bit of a weird one tonight as had some of the girls over for cuppa and cake. There was far too much going on for Missmarbles to settle, so I put her into her bed at 8.30 and came back downstairs to listen to her giggling over the monitor for half an hour I went back up as she started to get a bit antsy and she took a tiny feed and went out like a light. Softy that I am, brought her back downstairs till I was sure that she was completely asleep and I have laid her back down. I hope she will sleep well tonight but I think I may be awake nonetheless because she is in her own room for the first time <wail> Although not down to one night feed, she is just too big for the crib and when she spread her arms she was bashing the sides and waking herself up I think it was Susieloo said babyloo almost panicked in the moses basket, and I think Missmarbles was getting the same<sob>. She is 3 months today; time is already flying by

Evil you are doing really well. The early days are so, so hard. Funnily enough I was talking to my friend today whose kids are a bit older than mine, and we were saying just how painful bf is at the beginning. And nobody tells you. Most tell you that 'it doesn't hurt if you re doing it right', but in reality it knacks at the beginning, until the hormones from pregnancy die down, you and baby get accomplished at the latch, your supply gets established and regulated, etc. You are doing really well; expressing is blinking hard work and you are doing what you need to do, so don't feel bad

Tiredness is wicked MrsN. Hope we all get good sleeps tonight.

1st feed of the night here after bed at 7.30 ish so a definite improvement on the last two nights, not sure we will go through until 3 or 4 though, really hope we don't have the wanting to get up and play at half three till 5. It was me about the Moses basket marbles babyloo suddenly seemed to get claustrophobic in there.

Hope everyone having some sleep

Hmmm babyfunch has decided to be a bit grizzly for the first time today. We went to the coffee morning as planned so I feel better about getting out and about when dh goes back to work. Afternoon was fine but this evening she has been crying for a feed then falling asleep on the breast, despite me tickling her etc to keep her awake. Then when I put her in her basket she wakes up, voms up all the milk, then cries to be fed again! I have just got her down again and she has been asleep for five mins so maybe now I can get an hour or so of sleep! We are off to a wedding tomorrow so will have to do some serious work with the concealer on my eye bags!

Good luck fighting the snot monster missingmymarbles, and I hope you feel better soon mrsn. It is very very hard caring for a baby and when you don't know why they are not happy it is the pits....hang in there...

Helloooo all!

I've missed this thread sooo much! Just been too tired to even keep up with reading, let alone posting, and as DD (periwinkle!) is lots more efficient, feeds have become lots shorter. But i hadn't realised how much I'd missed it til T&H PM'd me... Thank you!!

I feel like a newbie again! <Waves>. Sooo many new names of mummies/babies. Hope you're all having a good night. We're on feed 2... First was at 11 but that was only one-sided before she fell asleep and wouldn't have any more, so knew it wouldn't last...!

Miss periwinkle is now nearly 7.5 months old actual, 5months corrected (having been born at 29+ weeks) I cannot believe how time is flying [shocked] she still only weighs 9lb 7oz, but is otherwise developing well and is still following her below the chart curve!!! We've also started weaning which is an adventure!

Have loads more to report, but feed over and need to go back to sleep... Will try and post at next briefly again! Hang in there new mummies, it does get easier and more manageable somehow...

goat really appreciate your help, I will book it now so thank you!

Nice to 'meet' you sarita

Well little man finally went to sleep, and we got from 10:30 - 2! So feeling a bit better now I have had some sleep - thanks for your support.

You are right about the loneliness at night, and that's why I love this thread too

Hellooooo!
First feed A little worried though as not sure how long Missmarbles had been awake before I got to her, despite having the monitor right next to my ear. When she was in our room, she barely had time to open her eyes before I was feeding her, but this time she had definitely shouted I have a fear she was awake ages wondering where I was Now I don't want to put her back to bed or go back to bed myself. Just want to sit here with her on my chest, negating the so far good night.

Hi sarita nice to meet you

We're downstairs tonight I went up early as usual about half 9ish for a nap, DH brought baby lump up at half 11 for her feed and she just wouldn't settle so we came down in case she woke DD1 whose room is right next to ours. She then fell asleep almost instantly in her swingy chair so DH & I had a rare bit of time to chat & cuddle on the sofa minus any babies or toddlers jumping on us. He went to bed about midnight but as baby lump was asleep I thought I may as well just kip on the sofa rather than move her, so have had a couple of hours and now just finished a feed & wondering do we go up now or just stay here.

I think his thread is keeping me sane, when DD1 was little & up all night we didn't have any Internet so I was limited for what I could do & it was so lonely, I'm so glad I've got you all for company this time it really helps make the long nights more bearable

I need match sticks! I'm sat in chair in DDs room and can barely keep my eyes open.
I'm getting to breaking point with this sudden need for night feeds. I look back iat smug old "my baby was sttn 11 hours at 9 weeks" me and want to cry I don't know why she's got like this but I'm finding it harder and harder as the days go on

Helllooooo sarita nice to see you

2nd feed of the night and so far no sign of the need to get up, he's asleep on my shoulder at the moment though, be great if we make it through to 7, can't see it happening though!!

Hello Sarita lovely to meet you, and lovely to hear about the prems doing so well!
Mrsn great to hear that sleep has been had.
Marbles I often wonder the same, even though Kid sleeps on me. He's getting less polite about the early warning system though!
Heffalump I hope the sofa is comfortable. When we moved house we got a new sofa and it is great for afternoon naps.
Doing better tonight here - 12 and 3 for fairly brisk feeds. We were out quite a long time yesterday and it seems to have tired him out. It was our last nct class and he stole the show in his jolly roger bandana bib!

Feed 2 here, feeling the lack of sleep but at least she just did 3 hours again.

Hi sarita hope it is not too weird having lots of new people on the thread!

Good luck with getting some sleep everyone...

Squishy I'm sorry you're having a tough patch. I hope it gets better really quickly for you. In the meantime hopefully all the lovely people on ths thread will help keep you sane, they do me!
Susie fingers crossed...

Morning everyone, first feed here. Another relatively 'good' night for Minipop, he's slept from 11pm with just a minor resettle needed at about 2am when I had a coughing fit & think I may have disturbed him.

sarita yay you're back glad you're all ok & periwinkle is doing well. Minipop is 19 weeks actual & over 13lbs,

I am behind on reading the posts again, but will catch up now. And seriously impressed with your reply susieloo morning did you type that on a phone?

Yay for your sleep heffalump I hope it continues!

Mrsn hope little one continues to sleep its horrible when they don't settle during the day, makes it impossible to get anything done.

Sending some sleep dust your way xx

Fingers crossed for 7am susieloo that's our aim too, but Mimipop refused to burp so I give it an hours tops!

rights, back off to bed now.

Good kick everyone. Not long to go until another night shift is over - you are all amazing

Sarita glad it's all going well, I do get the being too tired to post though!

Well first feed of the night here I've just had the most deeeeelishuss 5 hour stretch of sleep, it was amazing

Then I woke up. Couldn't hear DS breathing in his crib next to me, so panicked and picked him up

He's most disgruntled with me and is now peering up at my phone trying to "read" Mumsnet instead of feeding!!!

I think if I hasn't picked him up he'd have slept a fair bit longer as he definitely isn't hungry - he's just playing now

But still, five lovely hours

<spreads the sleepy dust>

Babylon how truly amazing! So it can be done!!
I have checked for breathing before now and woken Kid up. He's never best pleased!
Glad to see that Your DS has taste and is onto mumsnet already though...

After our great start to the night, we were up again at 3.30 and then didn't settle in the cot again; fine in my arms, not in cot. Gave up at 5; co-sleeping til morning. Zzzzzzzz

Still not great nights from DS here. He was having a scream fest and cluster feeding all afternoon evening, and missed his evening nap, so he went to bed at 11, then up at 1:30 and 4:30 <yawn>

He has learnt how to shriek as well, it is not fun.

Hello sarita! so nice to "see" you back and hear about miss periwinkle.

Squish sorry you are feeling down it is so tough when it all seems so relentless, and all you want is some bloody sleep! I had a bit of a weepy sesh myself this afternoon, as I couldn't put DS down for ages, the screaming was becoming intolerable and of course it was pissing it down outside which never does anything for one's mood. When DH rang to say he was coming home, I cried on the phone to him and said he needed to come take this baby off me - he uncharacteristically arrived home with a gorgeous bunch of flowers! I never get flowers from DH!

High point yesterday was DS' check up at the prem clinic - the Dr was really pleased with his progress and said there don't appear to be any after effects of his prematurity. DS was very smiley and jolly and charmed the dr and physiotherapist suck up. Sadly the Dr didn't note any of the measurements he took in DS' red book, which is a shame as I'd like to know how long he is - but he is now 14lb 6oz at 24 weeks, 16 weeks corrected.

Today is going to be a long day - I'm going to the "Stitching and knitting show" at Ally Pally with a friend, but this means driving from South London to Paddington to pick her up, then on to Ally Pally, then afterwards to another friend's in High Barnet, which is about as far away from me as you can get and still be in London fingers crossed DS doesn't decide to scream the whole time...

Have a good Friday everyone

3rd feed of the night and I'm still a Bit twitchy about the possibility we will have to get up in a minute, tonight hasn't been as bad as the last couple of nights though but still feeling the lack of sleep, he does seem to have gone back to two hour naps in the day so I might try for a nap today.

Dp's alarm going off in an hour and twenty and that just isn't long enough, need more sleep!!!!

I'm up for round 3 with little squishy she had only been asleep for an hour since the end of her last feed when she started crying again.

Tea that's fabulous news about the check. Will you have any more? We have one next Tuesday, the first since discharge from NNU. (I think our DSs are pretty much the same level of premness, I think you said he was 31+5? Kid was 31+4.)
Hope you have a fab day out and baby tea enjoys it quietly!

We are off to a feeding support group today as feeding has now ground almost to a halt. And as the dr was worse than useless... Grrr... Also might try and make story time at local library as something a bit different.

Susie and squishy sending your LOs sleep vibes.

babylon that's great, 5 hours is amazing I hope it becomes regular for you

squishy you're doing fab, it won't be like this forever and sleep will return. Hope you are able to get some rest today.

Posted too early...

tea great news about your check up, all those exhausting night feeds are paying off Hope you enjoy your day out.

We finally came up to bed just after 4, strangely enough I don't feel too exhausted, I got a few hours on the sofa (old but comfy!) before she woke, fed her and carried her up to her crib where she managed to stay asleep for another hour & a half Woken by a pooey nappy and now fed & asleep on me. Want to put her back as DD1 will be up any minute & I've been trying to make sure baby lump is safely back in her crib each nothing before DD1 wants her morning snuggles in our bed. (Can hear her now blowing raspberries in her bedroom and saying "pooh, smelly" so a bit apprehensive of what I may find this morning!).

Update: Noooooo cbeebies isn't working <disaster> that usually buys me at least another half hour in bed! <digs out Peppa DVD quickly> baby awake again now too...it was all going so well!

Hope everyone has a restful day, see you tonight

Oooh babylon I am green with envy about your five hours!
My little grunting piglet went to sleep at 4 and then did a huge poo and woke himself up so am feeding now and then it will be time to get up
My mil is coming this morning so I can go to the gym but maybe I'll just go to sleep instead!

small no contest surely?!

Yay and feed no 2 in progress!!!

babylon is Ewan the secret??!

Well I think little man must have tired himself out yesterday because we went 10:30-2 then half 3-half 7!! He must have been so hungry when he woke up that he took his milk too quickly and was sick all over himself - he didn't even have time to come off the boob

I think Ewan is my saviour!!!!

Tomorrow night will be the big test when I have my DS at 5.5 months and DNephew at 7 weeks

DH away on a lads weekend and both DDs here too!!
Should be fun - I hope Ewan is up to it!!!

It sounds like Ewan might need to multitask!

Seriously of Babylon's fantastic night, but pleased for you And MrsN, sounded like you had a good night too. Missmarbles has been really greedy and puked around my boob before <is it wrong to laugh when she does that? along with the person who laughed at puke on the head!> It doesn't bother her though! She either keeps going, therefore swallows it back, or it spurts out the side and she keeps going; either way she keeps feeding!

Very sweet of your DH with the flowers, Tea Good news about your premmie check, too. Hope yours goes well too, Goat. We were discharged at the 8 month check with DD1.

Which did you choose, Small, gym or sleep? I know which I'd have gone for If it was sleep, did you get some?

Can't wait for Ewan to arrive Missmarbles went down at 8.30, woke up at 9 and had another feed, then fell asleep in my arms. I put her back in the cot at 9.50 and really hoping for a nice long stint, and sensible settling after it.

Sending out the Sleepy Mice

Just had a conversation with DH:
Me: Everyone says that Ewan the Sheep is helping with night time sleep.
DH: Where do you get him from?
me: Amazon.
dH: Oh no! that means we have to wait! Quick, where else can you get this from?

We are getting him from Amazon. I note there were only two left in stock, I take it because everyone here is buying one!

Hi all I'm new to mumsnet and found your thread last night.

Can I join you all as DS is up several times during the night and would love the company x

I'm planning on getting a Ewan this weekend as the white noise we've been creating with the hairdryer is starting to get annoying! My cousin had a baby this week and my Mum asked me what I thought a useful present for them would be...I suggested Ewan! She's off to order one too

Feeding now...wonder how tonight will go...I couldn't post last night as I was so tired and frustrated that reading was all I had the energy for! DS had decided to sleep for two hours, then wake for two, sleep for two, wake for two... In each of the two waking hours he required changing and feeding twice, got the hiccups and was sick! At least DH is on nappies tonight as it's the weekend!

Wishing you all a sleep filled night!

Goat - amazon prime. Best £50 I spent when having Minipop.

seriously need to catch up on posts again.

Minipop has been asleep since 7pm feed he's due another one now but was fast asleep, until I snuck into bed. Now he's stirring, bah.

Fingers crossed for a hat trick of good nights.

Hi vicky nice to 'meet' you, how old is your son?

I think I'm in for a rubbish night, as had a good night last night and a pretty good day today - although he hasn't slept at all in his Moses basket and has been sick a lot not quite sure why all the sick?

marbles it was me that laughed at the sick on his head and I didn't know whether to laugh or cry this morning when it was all over his head and face - even in his eyes poor thing! I nearly took a picture but thought better of it

Anyway, not holding out for much sleep tonight so any I do get is a bonus!

Hi

My son is 16 weeks old. Had a bad week of sleep this week as he refused to go back to sleep after 2am feeds. Been up most nights 2-5 However last night he woke lots but went straight back to sleep so was happier with that.

We'll see what tonight brings..... See you at the next feed

First feed of the night and had to strip babyloo off because he had managed to wee outside his nappy or had nappy sweats, he was not impressed. He definitely can't stay awake anymore past about half seven in the evening, hoping for a four o clock second feed but we shall see!!

Hello vicky

Hi ladies and welcome vicky. We are at a hotel for DH's cousin's wedding so babyfunch's first night away from home. She cried for a feed just before the bride arrived for the ceremony so I escaped in the nick of time to our room and fed her, and then she slept beautifully through the meal so I got to enjoy that.

Then we came to bed about 8 and I fed her and she slept til just now. I am thanking my lucky stars we have got away with bringing her and not having her scream the place down!

I am really amused that we are clearing Amazon out of Ewans! Mine should arrive by Tues at the latest....can't wait to test him out.

Just realized I have no snacks...I wonder if room service have iced mince pies....

Happy sleeps everyone :-)

Hi all, I chose........a long walk with the dog, then collected piglet and met a friend for a big fat hot chocolate . I really wanted a sleep but thought a walk was a compromise as relaxing but also good for me!
First feed now. Ewan has worked his magic already - 7 until 11.45 so I hope that's going to continue for the night. I ordered mine from amazon and he came pretty quickly so don't worry goat you'll have him soon!
Hi vicky
Good luck at the wedding funch we took piglet to a wedding when he was 4 weeks. He did the same cried through the service and slept through the meal which was great as I had feared I wouldn't get to eat. He loved all the cuddles from all the guests and ended up having his best ever sleep that night so hope yours does too.
Hope everyone gets some sleep tonight, see you all later

Babyfunch just had a really short sleep unfortunately but may go down for a while if I really fill her up now. Will feed both sides if I can keep her awake and hope that works!

Hi thanks for the welcome guys. I'm up for feed no2 seems to be settling during the feed so hopefully I can get back to sleep.

Sounds like the trip to the wedding is going well. We took baby J away at 10 weeks for the weekend and to our surprise it was the best he has ever slept. Not slept like it since

Right well see u all around 4am (well that's the usual time anyway)

Up for feed number two, perhaps four was a bit optimistic!!

I'm guessing we will be back at half five which sucks

I has my first experience today of non stop crying in Starbucks, met a friend for coffee and breakfast and I couldn't pacify him, he didn't want a clean nappy or food and he only stopped crying when I took him outside! He'd stop and then as soon as we walked inside he started again, maybe he doesn't like the smell of coffee!!

Hope everyone getting some big sleeps, throwing sleepy dust around and hope the sleepy mice are heading your way

Hi ladies, and welcome vicky

Downstairs again tonight, just had a feed & hopefully baby lump is going to drop back off & I can get some more sleep. The bonus of being downstairs being at least I can watch rubbish on tv while I'm up and I'm closer to the chocolate

Hope your wedding went well funch & baby funch was a good boy for you.

Ah, Amazon one click ordering on a mobile phone...dangerous, but Ewan is on his way! DS does not want to sleep right now and DH has disappeared to the spare room. So much for help with nappies! We are taking DS on his first road trip tomorrow for a family celebration two hours away, so I did agree it would be best for DH to sleep so he's wide awake to drive. I'm still jealous of him though! Wish he was capable of feeding!

DS has fed and been changed but his eyes remain wide open and unsleepy. When we were younger his father was a bit nocturnal and liked to stay up all night at the weekend, I fear this may have rubbed off on our son

My poor baby has a cough it's horrible! It doesn't seem to be bothering him but what can I do? Should I be worried? <is already worried>

Sounds the wedding was a success funchum, that's great! My sister in law gets married in Feb, little man will be 5 months so hopefully he will be good too! They want to put him in a little kilt lol

I'm also finding it funny the amount of Ewan's being bought - there will be nobody left on this post next week haha

Ha ha smicha I fear the same here! DH has been known to stay up all hours although not for many years perhaps its only understandable that piglet does the same!
Second feed now, forgot snacks, starving, too tired to drag myself downstairs to the kitchen and also bright lights would unsleepy piglet so will just starve and think of my waistline!

Next feed here, sooo glad she lasted til gone 4. Really wish I had snacks though! Still, nice hotel breakfast on the horizon at 8am. Will also think of my waistline til then. Happy snoozing everyone...

Morning everyone, welcome vicky.

Glad they wedding went well. funch

Mrsn Dr said nothing they can do for cough except keep an eye on it & go back if it sounds like it spreads to chest. It's horrible hearing it though isn't it?

small very impressed with your walk, I would have slept I am really craving hot chocolate now, with cream & mini marshmallows.

susie weird about Starbucks, maybe it was the smell or the sound? Since moving out of London I really miss Starbucks. If we were having a particularly bad day I pop Minipop into the sling or pushchair & walk to Starbucks for a takeaway.

Whereabouts is everyone from?

heffa rubbish tv & chocolates here too [ grin]

Right, scrubs is done, I have polishes off all the digestives and we've done the 30 mins post feed hold so I am off to bed

(apologies to anyone's post I missed )

wishing you all sleepy babies.

Aaaaaargh we're awake again
I miss Starbucks too, we don't have one here and I would like a caramel macchiato

We seem to be on 2 hourly wakings tonight, which is ok as I'm getting to sleep in between. She's just dropped off but then filled hr nappy so I'll have to wake her up now to change it

funch just realised I said boy when I meant girl...sorry!

mrsn hope your lo's cough isn't too bad, I don't think there's much you can do except lots of cuddles and sympathy.

minipop we live just outside London at the moment, although planning to relocate to Cornwall next year <excited>. How about you?

Stupidly I didn't nap this evening but stayed up watching Harry potter instead. Regretting it now though the extra sleep would have kept me going a bit better, lesson learnt!

Hope those sleepy mice have been visiting

Argh, this isn't proving the best of nights. Two major pukes, an hour or so of screaming, and now on third feed since 1. As everyone says, roll on Ewan! (Have also annihilated the Fox's selection box - am thinking about my waistline as in will I ever see it again?)
Glad the wedding is going well, funch - Including the night by the sound of it.
Susie_ maybe he saw the cakes?
Minipop digestives? Mmm... Plain or chocolatey?
Good luck with the road trip smicha does your DS enjoy being in the car?
Ah, kid is finally gently resting on my shoulder. Maybe sleep is on the way.
Sorry if I have missed any posts in my slightly sleep deprived haze. Hope everyone sleeps till morning now.

Oooh heff relocating to Cornwall that sounds heavenly.
Piglet just wanted a cuddle so I have him on my chest now asleep and the big pig (DH) is next to us snoring. Wondering if I can roll onto my side to sleep or if it will wake the small one and also is there any point because DH is so bloody noisy!

Bang on half five-again, I wish he would drop one of his night time feeds, just one would be amazing......

Minipop we are on the English side of the welsh border, very, very rural and I love it.

heff dss is staying tonight so when he gets up with me at seven ish to help with the baby we are going to watch hp and the philosophers stone-his dad has got him into lord of the rings and all the superheroes and so dss has so far not been bothered by hp (I think he thinks they're girly!!) I was watching part two of seven the other day and he thought it looked amazing so I said if he's going to watch them then we have to start at the beginning.

Who mentioned hot chocolate? I really want one now

We will be up for the day by half seven at the latest I think, going to try for another hour

Well ds didn't drop off until 3 and I've been lucky to get til 6 although might have got longer if it wasn't for my stupid phone!!!! I have a crappy old iPhone which likes to turn itself off at its own pleasure and it decided to buzz/ vibrate whilst doing it even though I have all the sound turned off

Anyway he's feeding now & hopefully will drop off again for a while.

I'm from Derbyshire so quite a distance fr you girls by the sound of it and everyone has now go me wondering about this Ewan & craving a coffee/ hot choc (maybe I should combine the two and go out for a mocha?)

I'll see you girls tonight this has made the whole getting up thing a bit more bearable

And we're up

I've decided dp is getting off very lightly with the whole sleep deprivation thing, because he spends so much time driving for his job and because I'm bf I've always got up with babyloo and on his days off I always let him sleep in but it occurred to me this morning that after I've fed babyloo at half five there's no reason he can't get up with him for a couple of hours. He does take him out for a walk early evening so I can have a bath etc and often says why don't I get some sleep then but it's the wrong time of day!! Think I need to gently start suggesting he does some of the early mornings

Up again, with sick on my pyjamas and in my bed. Oh the glamour! Tried to feed lying down which I haven't done since hospital and that was the result! I did find it quite relaxing though so will give it another go tomorrow night (or should I say tonight seeing as it's almost time to get up!)

goat DS does like the car as it puts him to sleep so I'm hoping for a sleepy journey so he'll be wide awake for all the cuddles he's going to get when we get there!

minipop I'm in Cambridgeshire, not too far from Cambridge itself.

mummyvicky we got married in Derbyshire, it's such a beautiful part of the country.

Thanks minipops and heffalumps - yea it's horrible to hear him, I will keep an 'ear' on it

I am from Chester but now live in sunny Aberdeen really miss my family but mum is coming to visit a week today

Hope everyone is doing ok

mummyvicky we're in Derbyshire too, Buxton. Which bit are you?

Trying to feed again as Kid was telling me how hungry he is at top volume, but he is now lying looking at my boob as if he has never seen one before. With a bemused smile on his face.
smicha I so recommend the early morning naps! DH often takes kid for an hour or two on a Saturday morning which is a lifesaver. I'm hoping for this morning! Although I have to finish some marking by Monday (despite being on maternity leave!) so maybe should do that instead.
I live in the very west of west London. Though am from the other side of the world and am very very excited as we have booked tickets for next summer. Have not been over since 2007. Although wish me luck for a 24 hour flight with a one year old!

Hey mummyvicky smallgreenone I'm Derbyshire too

South Derbyshire though for me, 4 miles south of Derby City Centre

Well another great night here, baby Babylon went down after last feed at 9.30 and woke up very briefly at 2, but was happily pacified by Ewan, then he woke at 5.30 to feed and is now back sleeping again

I seem to have started an epidemic of Ewan purchases I really ought to he getting commission shouldn't I!!

You really should be on commission babylon!

I'm wide awake and DS is still snuffling like a little piglet! I'd give anything for him to sleep this late on days we don't have to get up to go on a long drive. Grrr.

I've just bought a ewan to go in babyloo's room at my parents we spend so much time there I'm trying to have as much stuff there as possible so we don't have to keep lugging stuff backwards and forwards. If ewan is more successful than my projector thingy then he might end up at my house

SusieLoo I predict a swap over coming up very soon

We keep stuff at both parents too, to save lugging loads of stuff around!

My DM is great, she bought a ridiculously expensive bouncer chair for DS and brothers DS to use, there's a Moses basket and travel cot there as well as bottles, feeding bowls, spoons, and lots of little angels shampoo and baby bath etc - means we can do an impromptu stopover if we need to!!

Oh not far from you at all smallgreenone & babylonpi I'm in chesterfield.

I am in northwest London, between Harrow and Uxbridge, probably not far from you goatbongos.

Trying to leave the hotel and go into Oxford now but babyfunch has decided she needs a megafeed, which takes an hour or so!

Indeed not far funch as I am in Uxbridge itself.

Finally got to sleep (both of us) at 7:15 and had two lovely hours. Just off out for some fresh air and a walk in the park - which happens to have a kiosk that serves fantastic hot chocolate.

Hello all so sorry I haven't been very good at keeping up to date, I read the thread on night feeds but am not very good at typing while feeding!

My Ewan has arrived! What do you do with yours? Is there one sound better than the others or is it trial and error? There seems to be a lot of choice!

TeenyMunx had a rubbish night, he's been feeding in a very annoying way all snacks and slipping his latch. I went to our bf support group on Thursday pm and got the latch checked and its fine but he doesn't always open his mouth wise enough and gets cross with me for delaying him getting on.

Dh us out with dd(weemunx) and teenymunx is asleep on me hence I can update!

Good luck today ladies.

I'm in the midlands in Leicestershire but we've only been here 18 months having moved from the north east, and we miss it.

Babylon should definitely be on commission! I can't wait for Ewan to get here. I have high hopes for him as iPhone white noise was very useful last night. We had a good night but I fell asleep after the second feed at 4.30 oops! And then it disturbed Missmarbles when I tried to put her back in the cot By that time she was nearly slept out so had to bring her in with us again.

Coughing is horrid MrsN sympathy for that.

Hi Vicky

Happy Saturdays everyone

For some reason, this didn't post earlier Anyway, in the meantime...
Ewan has arrived!!!!

Ewan is working his magic as I type!

munx I have only used the heartbeat foot on Ewan, and I put him at the top of the Moses basket - I would be interested to hear how other people use him cause I'm not sure he always works for me fess up babylon

3 month growth spurt has started today i think, babyloo has been feeding every 40 minutes since 05.30am, I wonder if miss marbles will follow suit!!

susieloo I'm sat watching DH pt 2 now while amazingly both DDs are asleep. I think Harry Potter education a vital part of any upbringing (DH is snorting with disdain as I write that!) enjoy your film fest with dss

smicha I'm with you on the glamour front, you know you've truly reached motherhood when your choice of a 'clean' top is one that "only has a little bit of sick on it"!

Oh wow goat and funchum I'm in Uxbridge too, that seems amazing given how far and wide other mumsnetters are situated. If either if you fancy a real life hot chocolate one day let me know

munx baby lump has been snacking on & off since last night it's so annoying I want her to just take a good feed and leave my poor nipples alone for a bit! I've been wondering if my let down is a bit much for her too as she latches on for a minute and gulps away but then often comes off and cries while milk goes everywhere and drenches me until I can latch her on again.

babylon your DM sounds lovely, its really helpful not to have to remember everything every time you go out. My DM & DMIL did that when DD1 was born and it meant many an impromptu stop over when things got fraught in the evening! Unfortunately the ILs now live in Cornwall so we don't get to see them as much, but in contrast we're temporarily living with my family while we save for our relocation so we're reaping the benefits of lots of live in help!

Sorry if I've missed any replies phones aren't great for scrolling so I've probably missed a page!

Hope everyone's having lovely restful Saturdays

Heffalump a rl hot choc would be fantastic!

Between us all we have a veritable herd of Ewans! Expecting mine early next week, can't wait.

Munx the way they sometimes seem to forget to feed can be frustrating, can't it? Hope he settled down.

Mrsn hope the cough is getting better.

Definite yes to a hot choc in Uxbridge - that park with the good hot choc cafe sounds nice!

Babyfunch was brilliant at the wedding and also in Oxford this morning. However now she sounds like she's doing what yours have been munx and heff: she has this afternoon decided to feed solidly (though she has long periods of just lying there latched on but not actually sucking/swallowing unless I tickle her) and then get the rage when she falls off. Then when I try to latch her on again she's crying too hard to do it. The only thing that has stopped her crying is white noise (Sleepy Sounds app on the phone/iPad) so I am hoping Ewan will work well when he arrives! The app is all very well in the daytimes but I can't really leave my phone or iPad in her bed at night, so hopefully Ewan will plug that gap in the market.

DH has just got back from rugby so I am going for a nap while he takes over!!!

Evening all,
just fed ds and put him down for the night. Fingers crossed he stays asleep as he has a habit of waking up 30 mins later.

I've just been on the phone to the Cow & Gate line to get some sleep advice & poo advice. Just got to keep an eye on his poop and got to get ds to try to fall asleep on his own - currently he falls asleep on me whilst bf and no other way. I don't want this to be a habit for too long.

Oh and after all the Ewan talk I mentioned it to my hubby and we have also bought one

TeenyMunx is in the Moses with ewan......fingers crossed.

Have slathered lasinoh on, am very sore tonight.

Just hope his weird feeding hasn't caused inefficient milk transfer and affected my supply (over thinking asa usual!)

Dinner and strictly before the next feed.

Really hope tonight is a better night, would love a small but frequency of feeds and cosleeping prevents

Goat chocolate digestives of course!

Well, after the 4am feed Minipop slept for, ooooh, all of half an hour before waking up. Couldn't get him back down so he slept on me, upright, until his 8:30am feed. So annoyed as we were doing so well.
I have been a wreck today, so tired, and the lack of sleep isn't helping get rid of my cold. I even left the door keys in the front door luckily DP found htem when he came home.

Susieloo I feel the same way, DP hardly does anything. He will take him if I ask and it suits him but he hasn't done a night feed or an early morning feed.
I do get to go back to bed for an hour occasionally, but only if MiniPop is already sorted.

Smicha I can't remember the last time glamour and me were associated

Oooh Buxton, Small, Lovely! My DP is from Burton on Trent, so we're always in the midlands. I love it up there, really wish we could move. I am from London, born and bread zone 1, but we moved 12 miles south of London (just past Croydon) when MiniPop was born to rent a house, as we lived in a damp, dark 1 bed basement flat.
Heffa I love Cornwall, that's a big change from just outside LOndon. Lovely.

My DP's parents are so over the moon with MiniPop that they've bought loads of stuff up there so we dont have to take it up with us when we go. Phew!

Do we think a Ewan would work on a 19wk old premmie?

See you all back on here about 4am I should think? or rather, hopefully I won't see you all as your babies will sleep perfectly for you all...

vicky I would be interested to hear how you get on with the sleeping as my little fella only falls asleep on boob or us!

I have felt very grumpy and emotional today - but just had a nap at the same time as J so hopefully a bit more prepared for night shift. Hubby just making tea - super late for us!

My boobies are feeling sore at the moment, almost like they do when you have your period. They are fine when he feeds so not sure what is going on.

Weighed myself earlier and I am actually putting on weight!! Obviously eating far too much but I can't seem to stop has anyone tried to 'diet' while breast feeding?

All for now

Hello all,

I've been lurking for a week or two now and have decided to de-lurk and ask to join you all in attempting to stay awake for night feeds. Baby twizzlestix is 5 weeks and tends to go about 2 hours between feeds, last night we had 5!!!! Hours I have to confess I woke her up because my breasts were very painful, I couldn't even sleep on my side! I paid for this with 1hr sleeps then feeds until 6:30am though, then it was wake up time

I too, whilst lurking, have ordered a Ewan. I have high hopes after reading all the reviews! Here's hoping tonight goes well. I'm just about to put her down...

Welcome twizzle

DS is 24 weeks and I started using ewan only last week, so yes, give it a go!!!!

Lots of midlanders here I see!! MummyVicky DH is Matlock born and bred so we know Chesterfield very well, dbil lives in Grassmoor!

I was born in Willington near burton on Trent so know Burton, derby and Chesterfield really well, as well as Nottingham and bits of Leicester - I work in Loughborough!

Ewan is working is magic here! Currently settling 7 wo nephew very well and DS is having his last feed, and hopefully he'll then settle them both for the next few hours!

DH is away, dd2 (3 years) is fast asleep and dd1 (almost 8 years) is in bed with me watching x factor helping with babies!!!!

Can I have double helpings of sleepy mice tonight please??!

Yes to weight gain here MrsNpattz

I put on just over 2 stone and had lost 1.5 after two weeks, not trying. Since then however I've stuffed my face with anything with copious amounts of sugar in it and multiple servings of meals and put a few pounds back on.

I walk most days so sod it, only way to stay awake and just so darn hungry I don't think I cold restrict myself!

Yes pls to one of those hot chocolates with cream and marshmallows

Ewan mania sweeping MN!!!

MrsNPattz I'm dieting/ was dieting I started doing weight watchers as it has points to allocate for bf.
I lost 6.5lb in 1st month then 2.5lb last month and I've now got stuck as I'm eating too much choc but if I get a grip then I could lose more.

I'm still not sure what approach to take re the sleeping on the boob situation. Until I can 100% decide on what action to take I don't want to start anything half hearted.

I just don't want him to cry & cry, currently I know how to get him to sleep & back to sleep during the night & I can just see that it's going to be a nightmare when I try to change it. In fact I don't want to change it but I know if I don't change it at some point it will be a problem further down the road

Lol @ Ewan mania!!

I was telling DM about this thread earlier! If anyone still wants Ewan and amazon are out of stock, she got them from Just For Babies who are based in Redruth, Cornwall and including delivery she paid £27

HTH!!!

Do you use/would you consider a dummy mummy My LO used to use me as a human dummy to comfort suck so I use one for bedtime now. Works for us

Play.com have Ewan for £24 inc delivery too. I got one today

Loislane78 he won't keep a dummy in, he'll suck it if I hold it in until he drops to sleep. I suppose I could try it again as a transition?

I love weight watchers - got to goal last year for my wedding and plan on being a weight watchers leader eventually, just not sure I can be bothered counting at the moment so should really stop moaning about weight gain lol

Dummy is a good idea - I don't want to try that for a little while though until I have been breast feeding for a bit longer. But vicky let me know if you try this!

Doesn't bode well that she's already woken up only went 1hr 45 mins and this is normally the LONG sleep which I've come to think of as being at least 3 hrs. Please, please let the next sleep be the LONG one...please let there be a long one!

Oh gosh lots to catch up on, hi all. Seems like there is a little Derbyshire contingent here! Re weight gain, I am trying to be really good and not eat sweet things but some days I fail miserably! My brother who lives in London is coming to visit and has asked is if we want him to bring doughins apparently these are a combination between muffins and doughnuts- I have said yes so fear my hardwork will soon be undone
Piglet falls asleep on me too. I know we shouldn't let him but it sort of works for now so I'm going with it. Think I should start to introduce a dummy soon though.
DH has man flu now so I am on my own again tonight . He has promised to take him in the morning though for the early feed........

Wow, lots going on here tonight!
Welcome, twizzle
I feel a little zombie-like right now. We had a lovely walk then came home and ate enough coffee walnut cake to sink a battalion, watched a silly film and then tried to crack on with work. Only my brain really refused to work properly so heaven knows if my reports are readable! And Kid decided to get quite hysterical - it took a good couple of hours to settle him to sleep. Only to wake up ravenous!
Ewan, where are you, I need you!

Doughins sound great small were they nice?

Babylon I know Willington, my DP is from Swad so not to far from there. Love the midlands.

Have ordered a Ewan the sheep. £23 from Amazon delivered on Monday - yay! My DP will go mad, he's grumpy because I bought a new pram (off ebay though) and then carrier (Minipop's outgrown the sling).

Welcomes twizzle

Well, Minipop's run of good sleep has come to an end and he's been up a few times already.

Just settling after 11pm feed & 6 minutes left before I can put him down to sleep. He's not burped though so not sure he'll last long. You never know I guess, the sleepy mice might nip his toes

Don't know yet minipops he's coming next weekend- will let you know if they are worth the wait!

Little man fed for 50 minutes and had nappy changed so I was looking forward to a loooong sleep but he woke after 20 mins in Moses basket and is now feeding again! <whispers> Ewan didn't work why doesn't he work for us

Weather is miserable outside and feeling miserable inside tonight!!

MrsN perseverance is the key I think

Minipop what a small world! DBro lives in swad, as does my Aunty and they have the best swimming facilities for DCs there
Greenbank Leisure Centre is where I learnt to swim

Well midnight feed for nephew is done and Ewan is working his magic, though nephew has a terribly windy bottom

DS decided he needed a little snack too, but this means I "should" get a decent four hour stretch quite soon <prays>

Come on sleepy mice!!!!!

Hi ladies and welcome twizzle., I've missed the early shift tonight baby lump has been really unsettled & yelling her little socks off since about 9, I think she was overtired and hungry but the tiredness was stopping her feeding properly so she'd start yelling again which made it worse finally dropped off to sleep now but I'm not sure she's had enough to see us through for a particularly long sleep.

DM has been really helpful tonight, she had babylump for an hour while DH & I had a kip. It was so nice to go and have a cuddle for a short while and get a bit of sleep. I'm on the sofa now wondering if she's asleep enough to put down yet and looking at the solid chocolate shoe my work friends gave me at my baby shower, I think it's days are numbered it'll be lucky if it survives the night intact

funch / goat I'll pm you both my number, hot chocolate cafe & park would be fab

Good night/morning everyone

And so it begins, am up for the first feed of the night. Her dream feed was only 2 hours ago. Wondering as she's waking up for feeding anyway is it worth dropping dream feed and having an early night instead?

Hello all!

I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to name check everyone, but will do a big <<wave>> to you all!

Well, BIG developments here..... as all attempts until now have failed to get miss periwinkle to consistently take a bottle, after 7 months (2.5 of expressing whilst on SCBU and 4.5 of EBF), with me being completely shattered and feeling the strain, and with her weighing the princely princessly sum of 9lb 7oz, we decided the only way to do it was 'cold turkey' ....

And finally.... 14 hrs later, success with 80mls (I know it's not very much but it's something!!!!) after injecting a tiny drop of sugar water into her mouth to get her sucking <<proud face emoticon>>

I knew that she could actually physically do it, as she has on and off many times before, she is just a very choosy baby and has purposefully rejected it in favour of boob, the cheeky monkey

So that was at 9.30pm and I then expected either a cluster bottle feeding nightmare overnight to catch up, or more screaming and bottle refusal... But she's just had another 80mls without much of a fuss at all and gone straight back to sleep.... Yey!!!

I am indebted to my DDDDH and his parents for doing it all day whilst I went out and about to try and distract myself from the feelings of guilt and sadness and regret at finally giving up BFing...

But I know it's been the right decision for us, and although it makes me feel very emotional (a lot more than I expected!) unfortunately I know that she will not accept some BF and some bottle, so it was the right time to stop BF. I just hope my poor boobs will manage too as although I'm gonna have to wean down expressing over the next couple of days, its still uncomfortable as expressing is never as good as the real McCoy!!

Sod's law now that I really cannot get to sleep

Sooooo, end of an era, and start of a new phase, I hope to still lurk on this thread and try and post intermittently... It has been a saviour for me many a night and has kept me going through some pretty tough times... Cue feeling emotional again!!!!

What's the betting ill be back in 2 hours or less now!!!

Signing off for the time being, hope the rest of the night is good to all the babies and mummies, much un-mumsnetty love to you all x

Hello twizzle

2nd feed of the night and I can't keep my eyes open, I need some sleep zzzzzzzzzzzz

Really pleased for you saritabean I think I will be quite sad to stop bf too but also a little relieved when it finally happens!!

Hope your boobs are okay in a few days.

Pop back every now and again to let us know how you are getting on and thank you for the company over the last three months

I'm pleased you've made a decision Sarita you've done bloody amazing to end a prem for this long - you need to give yourself a bloody big pat on the back

So what am i doing here again so soon??

Bloody upset stomach, that's what
I can really do without this tonight

That should have said EBF a prem - stupid phone

Wow Sarita thwt's an amazing story and I so admire you for ebf your prem for so long. I really take heart for my own prem who is struggling with the whole thing. I do hope you visit with us on the thread often!

Lots of you up and awake tonight... Sorry not to answer everyone, am a bit shattered after a really unsettled late evening. Lots of crying from kid and not quite so much crying from goat...however he is now lying on my lap looking cute and angelic and reminding me why we do this!

Well I was hoping it would be 3 when we were back but I was not visited by sleepy mice .
Well done surita and hope your little one lets you get some rest.
Gosh I'm shattered. I don't want to be back here at 5 but I know we will be. Just wish he could sleep a little bit longer between feeds.

I had a bad afternoon but then babyfunch slept 9.30 to nearly 2am. This was great for me sleepwise but now I'm worried she will get dehydrated going that long. I have fed her but she has thrown up what looks like most if the feed, and is making lots of nappy noise so must be empty. She is sleepy but cries when I put her down, but falls asleep on the boob if I feed her! Aaargh!

Think I am going to let her sleep on ne for a bit.

sarita you have done brilliantly to feed your baby only breast milk for a whole 7 months ans congratulations on success with the bottle! Keep us posted.

Re weight loss I have got to goal with weightwatchers before (more than once cos I always lapse) and will do it again I'd exercise and BFing doesn't work.

I haven't had sleepy mice either

I've slept for about 40 mins in two stints since 9.30pm.

DNephew is colicky so it takes a while to settle him after a feed - and I'm so awake I've just been and unloaded the dishwasher, sterilised DNephews bottles for morning, fed him, changed him and now feeding DS - crikey people really do this day in day out with twins??

I am enjoying having a tiny baby in the house again though

3rd feed of the night!!!!! A whole hour and twenty mins since the last. I've just zipped him into his grobag for the first time in case he's waking through cold, he's so tired because he's been awake all day so he desperately needs some sleep and so do I!! Sounds like we are all having rough nights.

Oh SusieLoo

It is quite chilly tonight actually. I think I've decided to just stay awake now - I'll sleep when DH gets back tomorrow!!

Yes it's chilly here too. DH is going to have to have this little monster tomorrow cold or no cold I can't do this I am so so tired. Wish there was some sort of magic trick you could do to make them sleep longer at night!

How's your tummy babylon?

Babyloo is now not settling even with his heartbeat noise on, it can't be good for a 3 month old baby to be awake this much in a 24 hour period surely. It's not good for his mother to be awake this much in a 24 hour period

Tummy seems ok now thank you - just a rogue tummy ache I think

I shall blame it on the tiredness!!!

Agree small I wish you could hypnotise them!!

My dp is going to have to do something tomorrow so I can try and have a nap or he's going to have to get up with him on Monday morning and do the half five till seven shift, feel bleugh. Think it's just starting to rain here.

Looks like he has drifted off now I just need to get him in his basket. Ewan failed me at my last attempt .
See you all again at 5 or in 10 minutes if he wakes up!

More starlight barking by the looks of things, everyone having a broken night.

Here's hoping for a veritable infestation of sleepy mice between now and morning...

I'm up again too, babyfunch realised she was on empty after half an hour in her basket. Good job though, my right boob has leaked everywhere! Need to buy a sleep bra!

Here again, here goes 3rd bottle....!!!

I wonder if I might join u all. My little boy is 2 weeks old and is feeding every 2-3 hours. So tired already and in only 2 weeks in!

Welcome emmie it's hard in the beginning isn't it? Keep going though, you're doing great!

And we have biscuits and hot choc on this thread...

Hope your tummy is feeling better babylon

Hello emmie

We are still awake and have been since 1.40 ish really, no idea what's going on with him

Hi all and congratulations on your new baby emmie!

We have been going on and off for round 2 for an hour now. I'm knackered. And to top it off when I had a quick loo break when I thought she had fallen asleep (ha!) I smashed my hand into the door handle and it now hurts like hell

Yes please to hot choc & biscuits. That'd be lovely thank you!!

I'm just not used to being up and down, up and down. I'm living on my own and sometimes wish there was someone else to moan too/get to make tea/sing baba to sleep/change a nappy pr two...or in reality do your dp's not do that?!?

What on earth is a Ewan? Sorry I haven't been back that many pages...I did an amazon search - is it a sheep?! Do I need one?!

Hi guys, feeding again here - think we got about 2-3 hours since the last feed. Sorry everyone is having a tough time

babylon is that persevering by trying it every night, or putting him back on all night until he works lol

sarita glad things have gone well for you bottle wise

<must not eat the peanut butter kitkat chunky>

Welcome Emmie

Hmmm, arms have flopped and sucking has become practically non-existent, do I brave the dreaded delicate art of the cot transfer?!

Who's got the biscuits? Could really do with some as my bottle of squash just isn't really doing it for me at the moment!

I have heard longstanding rumours about these peanut butter kitkats but have never seen them. Are they a mirage really?...

Emmie Ewan is indeed a sheep, and we are all hoping fir sleep miracles after babylon's enthusiastic endorsement!

Kid is wide awake and squawking despite being newly fed. I shall be indulging my very sad angry birds addiction.

They do exist and are a thing of beauty however I just ate an apple instead - very proud

Squishy ouch about your head

Will a Fox's selection box meet requirements?

Hi emmie <waves> good to see you Ewan the dream sheep is Babylon's recommendation, mine hasn't arrived yet but we seem to have bought a heard if them between us on this thread, and by the sounds of it he is pretty good!

After a shaky start baby lump was v good to me, I think the sleepy mice must have been to see us as I came up to bed with her about 1am and we're only just finishing her first feed since then I'm wondering if its anything to do with where she's sleeping, tonight Ive put her in the Phil & teds cocoon which she always sleeps well in during the day and its worked! Lets see now though I've got to put her back down, will I be lucky twice?!

Peanut butter kit kats are amazing anything with peanut butter and chocolate in is amazing, going to sleep now dreaming of reeses pieces, night night

Mrsn I now need one...

Ooh yes please goat that will be more than sufficient!

The cot transfer was a no go! Her "I'm more than a foot away from mummy's boob" sensor went off

sarita glad your bottle feeding has been accepted, well do e for 7 months of bf that's fantastic, hope you are now able to get a bit of rest.

Peanut butter kitkats have got to be one of the best inventions ever! I want one now...having to settle for dried dates, seriously boring after the thought of peanut butter!

Does anyone else think Ewan is actually quite loud??

Sorry for starting peanut butter cravings..........

Hi Emmie!

Sounds like bad nights for lots of you. I'm having an odd night! Took ds to meet family and out for lunch for my sister's 30th yesterday and he slept the 2 hour journey there and back, he also slept most of the day as he was handed round for cuddles and as we were in a restaurant I didn't feed as much as at home so I was expecting a sleepless, hungry night. Instead he stayed awake from 9 til 11 with dh and I slept, then fed, then woke at 1 for a very quick feed than slept til 4.30! He's now having a mammoth feed, but I've had some sleep that I definitely wasn't expecting! All the cuddles must have tired him out!

Oooh heffalumps, the phil and teds cocoon has been our saviour- we have loved it and periwinkle just about still fits in it and I'll be gutted when she grows out of it! All my fellow mummy friends have been quite jealous of it as she just goes to sleep in it when we're out so easily! She has been mistaken for a toolbag before now though....!!!

3rd bottle- 80mls gone again- yey! Once she's stopped though she won't seem to accept it back for seconds, but still seems to rooting around, and I'm sure if offered boob (which unfortunately isn't an option!) she gobble it up in no time!!! Any tips to get her to take it back again...?

And now I'm gonna have to express a bit as boobs bursting again.... Aaarrrgh- bloody hate expressing having had to do it for so long at the start, hope I won't have to do it for too long now.

Hi guys, are there any biscuits left?

Not been too a bad a night had roughly 2.5/3 hrs sleep between each feed and he has dropped off straight away.

Although this is why I'm reluctant to try and stop him sleeping on the boob as I will lose my sleep definitely and tonight is a relatively good night

Hi emmie my DH doesn't get up in the night. He did in the beginning but was so exhausted going to work. I couldn't imagine getting up like this & going to work so I let him sleep although he will get up if I ask.

If say a support network is good you need to moan etc so if you have no one to talk to I'm glad I've found here. My DS is 16 weeks and I've only just found here and it's made my nights so much better. Also if you need to talk to someone try the cow & gate line it's 24/7 x

Yes persevere by keep putting him on and if he's too loud have a rummage in his tummy for his loudness box and turn him down to the low level

I've just had a 3hr45min stretch from my two charges, which I don't think is too bad, hoping for another couple of hours once DS has finished feeding, but tbh it's not sounding likely!!

After joining you all and de-lurking, we had an exhausting night. No long sleep (3hrs in the twizzlestix house) every sleep was 2hrs or less I couldn't even read the thread let alone coherently write on it. My eyes are red rimmed and I'm slow blinking. Baby Twizzle, however, is comfortably snoozing on me! Will catch up and come back.

Oh yes twizzle my eyes are so red you could stop traffic with them... DH has the screaming monster so I can get some sleep.

Exactly where is that switch, babylon ?!

vicky there are always biscuits left - here, have the box

Well the sleepy mice did visit in the end and I have had 4 hours. Hope others got some precious zzzzzzz's too. It's such a relief isn't it when you hear them waking and you look at the clock and it isn't 4 or 5 but is in fact a normal time to get up!
I have never had a peanut butter kit kat but my god I want one! I've just tried to add one to this weeks online shop but they don't do them, will have to search them out in a real shop later today.
Right then I am off to start the day and exhaust piglet so we have a better night tonight! Have a good day all and see you later.

Hi Emmie you little one sounds as if they have same sleep pattern as mine. 2-3hrs is a killer I keep hoping it'll stretch out a bit 3-4hrs just sounds do much better but I think at only 5 wks it's a bit unrealistic.

susieloo perhaps our babies compared notes. It l

It looks like we were both up at around the same times! 11pm, 1:30am, 2:45am, 5am and finally 6:30. Yuck! I too feel horrid but my DH is worse than a chocolate teapot. He's so awkward with baby Twizzle she just won't fall asleep on him and will not be calmed so it's all about mummy!

Not sure what happened with earlier post, think sleep deprivation is to blame!

p.s peanut butter kitkats are delish! I also LOVE reeses peanut butter cups. Mmm chocolate for breakfast

Ok thanks babylon - will stick at it.

We managed another 2.5 hours and little man is also asleep on me now, going to try transferring him

Pouring down outside so we will be doing nothing today - just lots of sugar and sleep hopefully!

Hope you find a peanut butter kitkat susie - so worth it! I got mine from Tesco if that helps.

Wow! I heart Ewan!! Combined with the fact I didn't fall asleep with Missmarbles on my shoulder, which meant she wasn't disturbed going in the cot, she settled much better. She did 8.30-1.35, 1.50-4.30 and 5-still asleep!! Two night feeds, I can't quite believe it! Bizarre for me too, as DD1 fed every 2 hours for months and months and I can't remember how old she was before she stopped waking in the night.
She's just woken up, will read properly late. Hope everyone got some sleep. Happy Sundays

LO in bed at 6.30 last night after a feed at 5.30. She was too fractious/ tired to take more before sleep hence v early night. Then had feeds at 11, 1.30. 5 and 7 - more than she used to have!

Think I'll try and tank her up today so she has more feeds in the day, especially the afternoon as think that was the prob.

Re. dummies, mine refused one until 6 wks and I tried a few kinds. Apparently their sucking for comfort thing stops about 3 months so I'll be withdrawing it then if she doesn't need it but lifesaver for me ATM!

Hope all your DPs let you have nice naps today . The mummies have earned em!

sarita I'm amazed, the cocoon seems to be the magic solution (for now anyway!) I put her in it at 1am, carried her upstairs in it & put it next to me in her bedside crib, she woke for a feed at half 4 and went straight back down in it until now. I can't believe it! Will try again tonight to see if it was just a fluke! at being mistaken for a toolbag!

As fab as this thread has been for my sanity its turning out to be bad for my waistline...shopping list today now includes iced mince pies, resees pieces and chunky peanut butter kit kats...oh dear!

This morning is turning out to be lovely, DD1 woke up about 5ish so she came in and snuggled back to sleep between DH & I, DD2 just finished her feed and now snoozing on my chest. I love morning cuddles, especially when it's actually a very reasonable 8am!

Sorry that the sleepy mice don't sound as if they visited everyone last night, hope you can all get rested today & tonight goes better. You're all doing fantastically, just think of when all our tiny little baby DCs are 16 and we can get our own back when they're trying to sleep in until midday!

We are just up for the morning feed after another 2.5 hours sleep. One of the best nights we've had...but the first time I've let ds sleep in our bed all night... (poor dh is permanently in the spare room) Now I have a conundrum, more sleep but a baby who won't sleep in his cot or less sleep and a better routine . I just hope Ewan makes a difference when he turns up this week!

Smicha I think visiting dies wear them out. I think it's the extra stimulation if new people and surroundings. DH spent a lot of time of time in the spare room when DD1 was a baby but it passes.

Peanut butter kitkat are delish but nicer than reeses buttercups are homemade peanut butter squares and they are so easy can even be made with a teeny baby on your arm. Beat, easiest with a mixer, equal weights of smooth peanut butter and icing sugar and quarter if that weight soft brown sugar and butter all together. Press into grease proof paper lined tin and cover with melted chocolate mmmmm (200g p/butter makes an 8"x8" tin) Doesn't help dieters much. I've decided not to do anything about my weight til Missmarbles is 6 months.

Ewans button for loudness is located on the little plastic box in his belly

I'm knackered!!!!

I've got it on the quiet setting but I still think that's quite loud.

Oh! I thought you meant the loudness button on the baby!!

marbles those sound delicious, I think I will try making them with DD1 next week.

Dp has fractured his knee playing football yesterday this means I am now going to be doing everything including all the things that he did do, bathing, walking him early evening so I could have a shower, shopping and all the housework I'm so tired at the thought of it on top of how tired I actually am. Babyloo is now way too tired to sleep and I'm quite worried about how little sleep he has had in the past 24 hours.

So far not a good day!!!!!!!

Susieloo that's really tough. for you and my thoughts with you. If your dp is immobile, can he at least have babyloo with him a bit to give you a break?

marbles they sound delicious! Yum

Another new thing I have just discovered this morning is chocolate orange shreddies!! So so good, must try not to have them for every meal today

susie aw that's really rubbish, hope you will get on ok! Do you have friends and family who could help?

And lol at goat

Goat!

*Susie*; I hope you can get some rest. Is there anyone you can get to help you with anything?

The peanut butter squares are out of a Nigella book, but they're so easy I don't use the recipe anymore, and they are so good and energy boosting --and bad for you!--

Oh Susie that's pants

Poor you, and DH too of course cos it must hurt but how unfair

This too shall pass Susie I broke my ankle when dd1 was 6 months old - I'd been back at work two days after maternity leave and ended up being off on crutches and full pay for another three months.

It was a nightmare as couldn't lift dd or get upstairs for a wee etc and DH had to go to work, so we were kinda stuck, but we managed, and we look back now and have a giggle at me weeing on a bucket as I couldn't get upstairs!!!!

Uh oh marbles you may be responsible for my rapid weight gain following the peanut butter square recipe!

susie I'm sorry that your DP is injured I hope you don't find it too difficult looking after him and Babyloo

Work, this thread is so busy. That great for me reading but not so great as it means babies aren't sleeping. Booooo!..

So, hot chocolate, Chocolate biscuits, iced mince pies, peanuts butter kit kats and home made peanut butter squares are all on offer tonight? Excellent.... Just need a gingerbread latte now and I am set :D

Minipop didn't settle very well last night, and we've had visitor's all day, so think he was a little over tired and over excited.

Just did bedtime feed which he promptly vomited back up all over my foot before falling asleep.

Think I am in for another fun night, bless him. He's snoring like a dinosaur on my shoulder at the moment.

Babylon I am visiting FPs family in Swad next week, can't wait to go back not least for the endless stream of willing baby sitters

On the Ewan the sheep game, how do you get him to land on the higher tufts? He just flies straight past them, or through them, when I do it

Hello - my DD is 6 months. Until she was 5 months she slept pretty well but for the last month she seems to wake constantly - like half an hour after finishing a feed. I don't think I slept for more than 20 mins at a time last night. Introducing solids (a week ago) hasn't made a blind bit of difference. I am going mad. Also have a bouncy non-napping 2.5yr DS.

Welcome bear

I can't play the Ewan sheep game either marbles I can only get him to jump on to the first one and then the second higher one and then he keeps falling off

Babyloo having hopefully last feed before bed then its back downstairs to sort out dp who is deciding whether to sleep on the sofa so need to organise bedding etc. Then back up to bed for me, too tired for any downtime tonight. I attempted to give babyloo some calpol, his poor cheek is scarlet and he's not himself at all, he's also really struggling with my left boob so I'm having to express to stop it exploding.

Hope everyone gets some much needed sleep, I'm praying for an 8-1 stretch but think I'm living in a fantasy!!

No chocolate or snacks in the house tonight which sucks, I am definitely making the peanut butter squares very soon

susie that's terrible Hope you recruit some other help from somewhere.

Tried to do the EASY thing today, the feeding at least as LO on a similar schedule naturally anyway. Fed at 7, 10, 1, 4 and 6.30. She's in bed now so we'll see what happens tonight!

Also, (don't judge me!) I've put her Moses basket in her cot in the nursery. Its just a few meters away down the hall but I am just so twitchy about every grunt I get no sleep even when she is asleep when she was in our room. I feel guilty though It was easy to bf her in our bed and pop her back in the basket whereas I'll have to get up now. Well, we'll see...

Evening all

Ds has just gone to sleep Yeahy!!! But I'll see how the night goes.

I've been looking back through some old photos today and decided its time I get back on with the diet. I really want to be slimmer for Christmas and with 10 weeks to go I could get close to my pre-preg weight.

Anyway fingers crossed for a good night girls but I'm sure I'll be back on here about 2am x

He everyone,
I thought I'd cracked the feeds during the early morning, however I think I will be up alot.

My lovely sister bought over a jungle play mat, which is fantasic. The thing is being 9 days old I think she has overstuimulated him. I also think that he is a bit young for it, am I right??

I'm having trouble getting a good milk supply in the evening and early mornings, anyone got any advice?
Evil

I think I might be in for another long night
DS has a temp of 39 and has just had his first ever calpol to which he pulled a face like >>><<<< a mix of those!!

Going to check his temp again in a few mins to see if it's coming down

Oh Susie that is rubbish do you have anyone nearby who can help you out? I wish your DP a speedy recovery (sounds v painful!).

Loise we'er going to move minipop very soon, same reasons (and premmie babies are even louder than term ones), I have also noticed that the 7pm - 10:30pm sleep where he's in the room on his own, he sleeps better than when we're both in the room with him.

Fingers crossed temp comes down Babylon

Just catching up on the three pages of posts before bed

Hello to anyone new

Sarita - how's the bottle feeding going? You have done an absolutely amazing job for bf so long.

Hope all the Ewan's are working their magic tonight and sprinkling sleepy mouse dust across all the little ones.

Hmmm old made it 2hrs we disturbed him as he woke up

Think I'm going to bring him upstairs tomorrow. Currently we have him downstairs with us until we go to bed but its disturbing him when we move him.

1st feed of the night-so much for my hopeful 8-1am stretch!!

evil I don't think they can see much at baby evils age they can just see contrasts and from what I've read it's more people and lots of noise and being passed around that overstimulates them.

Hope baby babylon starts to feel better soon

Thank you to everyone re kind words re dp, we do have lots of friends and family who can help so I'm going to try and use them if I can. He is currently in bed asleep with his leg on some pillows.

I think it was him coming to bed that disturbed babyloo tonight.

Hope everyone gets some zzzzzz. I think we will still be back around half one

Evening all, just done a short feed. I'm a bit worried about babyfunch as she has slep all day and hardly fed, and only done about 4 nappies. I had to wake her twice after she had slept for 3.5 hours each time, so she could get some milk into her. Is that much sleep normal at ten days old?

susie, huge sympathies re losing DH to injury. That sounds very difficult - hopefully you will find some creative ways to het everything done.

Hello bear and welcome!

evilwater I am hoping to get a baby gym soon (babyfunch is ten days) and not sure about the right age to start - I was planning to let her lie there and gaze at the toys on the arch and move to actually playing with them when she is a bit older.

Absolutely love that we have discussion of the Ewan game going on. Will definitely have to download it!

Good luck to everyone with tonight's fun and games - fingers crossed the starlight barking has the right message!

Oh no susie that's rubbish for you, sympathies.
I am crap at the ewan game too marbles it actually gets quite addictive but he does seem a bit suicidal and ready to jump into the sheep dip!
babylon hope your little one gets better soon.
Baby small has not really napped properly today- we took him to an event they had on in the park. It was such a gorgeous sunny day and they had stalls and an ale tent and a hog roast etc and it was so busy I think it overstimulated him and he missed his naps so am now worried this will be bad news for tonight. Currently waiting for him to fall asleep on me and wishing I had gone for a wee before I started feeding as am now getting desperate and can't move!

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Can I join? My 9 week old babysaurus went from sleeping so well from 8 days old to being a monster the last few days. I've been trying to settle him to sleep for the last 3hrs with no joy. Just calpoled him so hoping it will help - keeps yelping in pain... Horribly afraid he's teething?! Chewing, drooling, whimpering.... Grrrr
I miss my lovely predictable nights!
Going to attempt crib put down number 7!!

<waves hello to new joiners (too tired to name check!)> it seems like lots of people's previously sleepy babies have suddenly decided to wake lots at night. Maybe it's cyclical...maybe our wakeful babies will become sleepy later? <looks very hopeful >

First feed of the night in the Twizzle household. Went 3.5hrs better than yesterday. Fingerscrossed it'll be followed by a sleep of similar length!

Welcome bear and clumsasaurus
As * minipopsmum* says, lots to read on the thread tonight which is great for the entertainment but does mean everyone is up and not sleeping. Lots of Ewan game playing too by the sounds of things!
And all these tantalisingly yummy things being cooked/bought/consumed?! I can see all my resolve flying out the window (not that i had much to begin with). Why do I have such a sweet tooth when I never did pre-pregnancy, and chocolate brought on the dreaded MS?
evil re milk supply, I guess you have done all the stuff like drinking a large glass of water before feeding, breast massage and compression? Fenugreek is supposed to help. Though I can't tell if it has for me or not.