Help sisters newborn not BF

[archiesmummy]

Hi, I'm asking for help for my sis. She just had baby thursday and DS was latching on fine until her milk came in.

She bought an electric pump, but hasn't got more than a few drops, so they are FF through cup.

I'm worried about her supply but have given her all the tips I know. I'm a BF peer supporter BTW

Has anyone got any ideas?

We have tried NCT line but it is unmanned, and I've spoken to BFC who said she can come out in the evening, but sis doesn't want it. Sis and DP seem releaved DS is getting FF but I am worried about her future BF if they don't get DS on soon. Am I overreacting?

There are no BF groups until wednesday down here, unless someone knows of any a bit further away???

PLease help!

[hunkermunker]

Does she want to bfeed?

Why doesn't she want to see a BFC?

Is her DS not latching on because she's engorged? If so, hand expressing might be more effective at relieving the initial mahoosive "shark biting the peach" effect (as in James And The Giant Peach) of a newborn trying to get a tiny mouth onto a football-sized breast.

[AitchYouBerk]

maybe this is one of those times when you should butt out, of she doesn't want to see a BFC might that not mean that she just doesn't want to?

[archiesmummy]

She doesn't want to inconvenience anyone, so doesn't want to ask anyone to come round and help her.

Yes she wants to BF and was almost hysterical yesterday when it didn't work. And yes boobs are very engorged.

Sis says she can only get drops out with pump or by hand. (She is not the most patient person I know).

Will her supply have dwindled by wednesday? This si my primary concern.

[shonaspurtle]

She should be able to get more than that hand expressing if she's able to find the right place to press - it was my major source of relief! I found it easier to do in the bath. Also the hot water kind of made my breasts leak like mad anyway.

Can you talk to her again about the bf counsellor - I know you'd not want to pester her though. I have a friend who's really put herself through the mill because she feels bf is something she should be able to do by herself but getting help just makes things so much easier and is great for your selfesteem at the very least .

[mears]

She is best to hand express due to the engorgement to soften the brteast enough for the baby to fix on. She is probably not doing it properly to be honest if she isn't getting anything. Advise her to massage her breasts first before expressing. She can do that by making a fist and placing at the top of her breast with the tumb side of the fist against her skin. Then roll the fist down from the top of the breast towards the nipple. Go round all the areas of the breast. Then feel for the pea like bumps that are the milk resevoirs. They may be at the edge of the areaola of the nipple but they are in different places for different women. Place a thumb on the top of them and two fingers undernreath and gently compress the pea like bumps and the milk will come out. Once the milk is flowing she could try the pump.

The midwife should still be visiting and able to help. Has she got cabbage leaves for the engorgement? Her milk supply will be reduced if the engorgement is not relieved however it is salvagable.

[mears]

Forfot about hot flannels. And BTW she can call the midwife out by contacting the hospital

[archiesmummy]

Thank you both, midwife not coming back til tuesday.
I will give her a ring with your info mears and try to talk her into bfc coming over.

I just don't want her to give up ithout help

[mears]

Midwife will come back if called though. That is what happens in my area. Woman has contact number for the hospital who will page the community midwife to come. That is what she is there for.

[archiesmummy]

Ok, mears I will tell sis. Thanx

[hunkermunker]

She's not inconveniencing anyone. BFCs are there to help people bf.

But she's just had a baby and her hormones will be all over the place.

Can you ask your sister if she minds you arranging for the BFC to come over? Has your sister actually spoken to to the BFC? Has the BFC reassured her she doesn't mind coming out at all?

[hunkermunker]

I would say, "You're my sister, I love you, I'm so very proud of you for having my beautiful nephew, and I would be failing you if I didn't help you bf as I know you want to so desperately.

"I will be equally proud of you if it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, but I would feel like I'd let you down if I didn't do all I could to help you, so please let me."

[archiesmummy]

Oh hunker, no sis has not spoken to anyone, bfc or MW, but she is very keen to come with me to BF group in the week.

I will try to convince sis to let me arrange for someone to come and help her

[hunkermunker]

I'd possibly add something about how I didn't want her to have any regrets about her decision if she does end up ffeeding.

[AitchYouBerk]

isn't there an NCT line she could call? that might keep her head above water till she sees someone? by the way, good to see you back archiesmummy, i haven't seen you in ages. congratulations on being an auntie!
and hunker's point is good, you know, the BFCs at hospital are paid so it is their job to help people in her position.

[archiesmummy]

Will try to talk to her.

Hi aitch, I know i've not been around much find that my days are taken up with DS, but hoping to stay here for a while now.

[maisym]

could your sis take her baby to bed with her and just bf lieing (can't spell!) down plus she can rest at the sametime. She could stay like this for 24hrs to rest and recover and also her baby pight be able to get a good latch like this.

[Laura032004]

I thought I couldn't hand express (bf DS1 until 22m), until DS2 went to NICU & I had to. A lovely MW demonstrated exactly what to do, and I've never looked back. Technique is very important.

Would second the cabbage, it helped me tremendously. I used savoy, although my MW told me afterwards savoy would have no effect , and I should have used white cabbage.

Also, if she can get him to try to latch on, stimulation from that side & leaving the other side 'naked' might be enough to get the milk going on the side the baby isn't feeding on, so she can relieve the engorgement a bit on both sides.

[moondog]

NO> for Assoc. for Breastfeeding Mothers (ie helpline) is 0870 401 7711

hope she accesses the support she deserves.

[archiesmummy]

Thank you all will update you later

[mears]

How's it going?

[archiesmummy]

Sorry I dissapeared. I'm not too sure how it's going.

She is able to express more now and breasts are not so full but baby still not latching on.
My BFC has volounteered to go over there tomorrow and help her.

Thank you for all your support and advise.
My sister rang me today to tell me she now uses cabage (white I think Laura )leafs.

[mears]

Savoy cabbage is the cabbage of choice I believe

[mears]

here is some info

Green cabbage (savoy) is best kept in the fridge and a couple of leaves peeled off at a time to put in the bra leaving holes for the nipples. Hopefully she will get help to fix baby now that milk is starting to flow. Can be done.

[Pruni]

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[mears]

Came across this:

Alternative remedies for breast engorgement include placing a cabbage leaf inside your bra. The suggestion is to use very dark green cabbage leaves, as it is thought that it is the chlorophyll that is the active ingredient. Wipe the leaves clean and store them in the fridge until needed. Place one inside each bra cup and replace when wet.


Not sure what the chlorophyll does though!