Tongue tie?

(31 Posts)
cloggal Sun 16-Mar-14 14:55:47

I've no idea where else to post this, hoping someone can help...

Backstory: DS and I struggled in a big way with breastfeeding - I was absolutely certain (and still am) that his latch was in some way incorrect. I was in searing pain every time he came to the breast, to the point where a midwife commented 'your shoulders are at your ears', and pushed them down because I was braced so hard. I had cracked, split and bleeding nipples after only two days. His latch was checked by two midwives, two auxiliaries, and a lactation consultant, all of whom suggested techniques but said it was basically fine. The lactation consultant checked quickly in his mouth too. He dropped an alarming amount of weight on top of already being in SCBU, we ended up mixed feeding for the first few months and then when my supply petered out, having never really gotten off the ground as a result of all of the above, he was formula fed. I found all of this a bit sad, but he is healthy and thriving - something he wasn't in the early days.

Cut to yesterday evening. He is now nine months old, standing and crawling around - a typically active little boy. He was crawling over to reach something, lifted both his hands at the same time and so knocked his chin off the floor, not hard but enough to frighten him and it was probably a little sore. Of course, he wailed and I soothed him - I saw a tiny dot of blood on his lip and thought 'oh no, he's bitten his tongue/lip' but I couldn't see any evidence of any cut in his mouth and he soothed quickly. Today he has been more vocal than he ever has been, and is sticking his tongue right out (something he has never really done beyond his lip) and seems to be revelling in showing it to me!

Am I being totally mad, or could he have split a tongue tie when he knocked his chin? I have long suspected there was something off with his feeding, and at mealtimes he didn't always find it easy to manipulate food (can do it easier now there are a few teeth!) What, if anything, should I do about it?

Any help appreciated, or even just brew and cake...

mawbroon Tue 18-Mar-14 12:55:03

They did give a reason for not doing it at The time but I can't remember what it was! It might be in site stuff. I will have a look for it.

NickyEds Tue 18-Mar-14 12:57:54

He was actually snipped on day 17- by which time I'd started topping him up with formula(on the MW advice) . No idea why they didn't do it earlier- they just kept on telling me that the latch was fine and that I should take paracetamol for the pain. After the snip feeding got much better but he'd had bottles, my supply was effected etc- I mix feed him now and still feel that it "cost " me exclusive BF. It does seem counter productive because as you say cloggal MW and health authority were very pushy about BF then were reluctant to do one easy thing to make it more straight forward.

cloggal Tue 18-Mar-14 13:05:29

Nickyeds, the diagnosis and snip aside - I could have written that post. We were topping up very early on and even that was frowned upon, but because his latch was 'perfect' no one had any other ideas angry

As I say though, as much as I'm sure it did cost us ebf, I made peace with my decision quite early on when I saw how much weight he'd lost and how poorly he was. You've gotta do what you've gotta do... And that's why I keep well away from most bf v ff threads, it's just not that simple sometimes!

mawbroon Tue 18-Mar-14 13:14:08

We managed to EBF, but it was mostly because nobody actually bothered to find out how we were doing. I was pretty much left to it in the hospital and I had a different MW every day at home because mine was on holiday and all they just brushed me off when I said he was feeding all the time, saying that new babies feed a lot.

By day 10 or so, he was still 12% below birth weight, and I have no idea how low his weight actually dropped. He took about a month to regain birth weight which again they weren't bothered about.

I do think that if they had paid more attention, somebody might have said we had to top up which would certainly have caused problems, so sort of in a way, our EBF was saved by lack of decent care!!

I think they were oblivious of the problems because I wasn't sore. Sheer good luck really that it wasn't sore because I know I could not have handled the pain that I hear from some mothers of tied babies. sad

The whole situation is just a bit shite really. sadangry There are even some docs who believe that tongue tie does not interfere with feeding hmmhmm

NickyEds Tue 18-Mar-14 15:43:52

They were actually very quick to tell me to top up-i think the MW thought I didn't have the stamina to BF. It was the lactation specialist at the hospital who referred DS after I said that I wanted to stop BF.
I can believe some doctors don't think it interferes with feeding. So little is known about it - it never came up during the BF talks when I was pregnant. Should go on the "list of things they don't tell you about BF" along with bleeding nipples!!
DS is thriving now and I have sort of made my peace with it-although I can be a bit touchy about it!!! It's just upsetting when the procedure DS had to snip Tt was sooooo quick and easy- he cried far more at his heel prick.

cloggal Tue 18-Mar-14 20:39:48

maw the idea that some docs think that makes me want to strap a TT baby to their nipples and watch as their faces contort in the most horrendous pain. Utter rot. I am so pleased to hear though that you were able to EBF and that it was (relatively) trouble-free even if it was through total negligence on the part of the HCPs! smile I honestly found BF more painful than my induced labour. I thought someone was sandpapering my (ample) breasts right off my body, with something the size of a nail file. The burning sensation makes me feel sick just thinking about it... and the pink milk.

We were watched pretty carefully because DS was already ill, so top ups began swiftly, but was told in no uncertain terms that no advice on how to formula feed could be given. I had to get my smartphone out! I remember someone else on here saying something similar and wondered if it was the same hospital but we were at opposite ends of the country!

Nicky you've got every right to feel touchy, such a personal thing. I was for the first few months, especially when a well-meaning visitor declared that 'everyone can breastfeed', whilst I was sitting feeding DS with his bottle, with my supply having dried up. She was genuinely trying to show support but I was just so defensive about it - and had to count to ten before explaining my reasons, which I've never done to anyone IRL since.

I am now a bit unsure about whether to wait and see what happens with my DS, or get a second opinion just to be sure, but that may be my totally neurotic worrying nature. Very, very strange that such a minor thing isn't just dealt with when they know it can have such a serious impact.

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