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Giving formula when out and about

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IWillOnlyEatBeans Wed 23-Jan-13 09:06:13

I am debating about whether to switch from BF to FF.

One of my issues/questions is how I am meant to prepare formula when I am out and about. I know you are meant to make each feed up fresh - so how does this work when I am (for example) at toddler dance class with my 3 yr old (no kitchen facilities) or at toddler gym (same again).

I am a SAHM and money is tight so I can't use cartons of formula regularly.

Would a flask keep freshly boiled water hot enough? And then how would I cool it down to drinking temp?

Sorry for all the Qs. When DS1 was a baby I prepared his feeds all wrong (adding powder to cool boiled water then topping up with freshly boiled water to make it drinking temp) so want to make sure I do it right this time around...

ThedementedPenguin Thu 24-Jan-13 23:24:36

Just another point to put in. You might not be able to use ready made cartons my ds refuses to drink them, whether there room temp or heated up. He will not drink from them.

IWillOnlyEatBeans Thu 24-Jan-13 20:45:06

Me too stargirl

Thanks for all your suggestions! Part of me is keen to move from BF to FF but I do love the ease of getting my boob out and not having to worry about sterile bottles! But at least now I know how to do it right... smile

stargirl1701 Thu 24-Jan-13 20:09:28

That's why I use cartons outside the home too. Tbh, if we could afford it I would just use the cartons. They do make life easier.

FirstTimeForEverything Thu 24-Jan-13 19:43:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BouncyPenguin Thu 24-Jan-13 18:48:38

I made bottles up in various different ways with DS1 and worried about whether or not I was doing it right. With DS2 I make up 2 bottles at a time at home. I make them up within half an hour of kettle boiling but not in the first 5 mins as they have a habit of exploding then! I cool then down quickly in a bowl of water with ice cubes in, then fridge 'em. When I go out I sometimes take one of the made up bottles out the fridge and put it in a cool bottle bag with a little freezer cool pack in. DS has it cold. He is fine with that and will often have them straight out the fridge at home. Alternatively I take a ready made carton and a sterilised bottle. It depends whether I have bottles in the fridge made up, where I am going and for how long. It may seem expensive to buy the ready made cartons but with two DC, never ending illnesses, not much money and icy roads there is not an awful lot of going out for us! DS1 goes to a nursery over the road every afternoon so i can get away with this. Don't get through many cartons and feel they are worth it. If you go out every day for,long periods then it probably would be too expensive. If you're only going to be out for a couple of hours then a made up bottle in a cool bag is fine.

12ylnon Thu 24-Jan-13 18:15:51

Yes, true. I used a full kettle.
I'm not saying don't do it, i will be doing it that way when i'm at home with DS2. It's just a bit of a faf trying to transport 70 degree water. Or trying to keep a cooled, made up bottle at fridge temp for two or so hours when your out. I will be using cooled, boiled water and an avent formula dispenser or cartons when i'm out.
It's worth noting too that cartons of formula (made up liquid kind) have NO risk of contracting cronobacter, selmonella etc as they are sterile. Breast milk has a higher chance of containing cronobacter than liquid formula.

stargirl1701 Thu 24-Jan-13 18:05:16

It depends, obviously, on the amount of water in the kettle. 1 litre of water will cool more quickly than 2 litres of water.

It depends on the shape of the kettle. A wider kettle will have more surface area of water, etc.

We use water from the kettle 10-20 minutes after boiling.

What Runningout said.

You can get a tommee tipped flask thing that you fill with hot water, then stand the bottle in the upturned lid with hot water to warm (makes sense, honest!). We carried ours everywhere for months!

12ylnon Thu 24-Jan-13 18:02:48

Apparently i have nothing better to do with my time while i'm pregnant grin

12ylnon Thu 24-Jan-13 18:00:17

I checked Aptamil, cow and gate and i think SMA yesterday and all of them said to leave it for 30 mins. I don't think a single one said anything about 70 degrees.
I also measured the temp of of my kettle (new, good quality) and after 20 mins the temp had dropped to 60, at 30 mins it had dropped to 50.

stargirl1701 Thu 24-Jan-13 17:55:05

Water from a kettle left for less than 30 min is above 70 degrees. It is 'cooled' down from boiling but not 'cool'. The formula companies have changed their labels. They now say to make up each bottle as needed with water more than 70 degrees - less than 30 minutes.

12ylnon Thu 24-Jan-13 17:35:22

galwaygirl i've been doing quite a bit of research on this recently as i didn't do it with my first 6 years ago (we used cooled, boiled water) and i couldn't remember where i had got the information from. Every parent i knew did it the same way then.
I had a look in boots the other day and read the instructions on the boxes of first milk and all of the instructions say to use cooled, boiled water and to leave it for 30 mins after boiling and then add the formula.
I know what the WHO says, but i can't help but think that if there was a significant risk, the formula companies would change their guidelines.

galwaygirl Thu 24-Jan-13 16:46:49

It's not just the UK that say the water needs to be over 70 degrees, WHO says this too - the problem is a lack of awareness of this issue. Once aware I cannot understand people willing to take the risk when there SE other alternatives.

exiledmancityfan Thu 24-Jan-13 16:29:57

I keep it at room temp but always keep the powder seperate and only mix when you are ready to feed.

IWillOnlyEatBeans Thu 24-Jan-13 13:54:13

Thanks all.

demented do I need to keep the cooled boiled water cold (ie in a cool bag) or is it ok at room temp in my bag for a couple of hours?

Zara1984 Thu 24-Jan-13 02:09:36

Ah got it demented! Just wondered how this worked as I'm in a warm climate right now and when I'm back in winter in a couple of weeks I wondered how to get the measurements right for a warm bottle on the go!

ThedementedPenguin Wed 23-Jan-13 22:12:17

Yes you will have 3oz of cooled boiled water in one bottle, then in another bottle if you add 3oz of hot water add in your 6 scoops of formula. Shake very well then pour in your 3oz of cooled boiled water, then I mix again just to be sure.

Although being perfectly honest I only do this occasionally. I usually just have a bottle with cooled boiled water, bring a flask of boiling water top it up to right amount then add formula and shake.

WannaSplitAPineapple Wed 23-Jan-13 21:23:03

Just put a bit of cooled boiled water in your bottle - I do about 3oz. Take a flask of freshly boiled water. Top the bottle of cooled water up with the flask to the quantity you require then add your ready weighed out milk. It sometimes comes out a tad hot but I just make it before the feed is due giving it time to cool.

Zara1984 Wed 23-Jan-13 21:15:45

Dementedpenguin how are you certain that you are adding the correct amount of water? Do you pre measure the amount of water you exactly need for that feed (ie the hot and cold water separately)? Powder displacement issues etc.

stargirl1701 Wed 23-Jan-13 21:15:37

I use cartons when out. Much less faff.

Zara1984 Wed 23-Jan-13 21:13:38

I might get flamed but I do want to point out that the 70 degree thing is advice only given in the UK. My health nurse and GP in Ireland, and my one in New Zealand say it's fine to add powder to room temperature cooled boiled water. This is what I have been doing with DS since he was 2 weeks old.

I know the advice is based on the case of some babies who died in mainland Europe from salmonella poisoning a few years back. But given that most continental babies have their bottles made up with room temperature bottled water every single day, and you don't read about babies dying in their thousands.... I think you can draw your own conclusions!

Anyway use common sense. My health nurse and GP said it's worth remembering that many public health guidelines are at the most conservative end of the spectrum. For example they say don't make feeds up in advance but all my FF friends and I make up a day's worth of bottles and refrigerate!

ThedementedPenguin Wed 23-Jan-13 16:27:41

Okay this is the best way I find to make a bottle up when out.

Bring a flask (keeps water hot at right temp)
What I do is put 3 oz of hot water into a bottle
Add in all the formula you need so 7/8 oz and shake. Then from another bottle add the rest in cool boiled water.

Means the formula is mixed with the correct water but then is cooled down instantly by adding in the cold water.

It's quick and very easy to do and can be drunk straight away.

RunningOutOfIdeas Wed 23-Jan-13 16:17:40

DD's precription formula is not available in cartons so I always have to use powder. I prepare the bottles with freshly boiled water, cool rapidly and store in the fridge for up to 24 hours.

If I am going out for up to 2 hours, I take a bottle with me at room temperature. DD is happy to drink room temp milk. If I am going to be out for longer, I take bottles in a cool bag with ice pack. I have a cool bag that will fit 2 bottles and goes in my change bag. I have always managed to find somewhere to warm a bottle.

FirstTimeForEverything Wed 23-Jan-13 16:13:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

exiledmancityfan Wed 23-Jan-13 16:07:28

I put the water in the bottle and the powder in a tommee tipee individual feed pot then shake the powder into the bottle just before feeding.

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