Nightmare evening

(39 Posts)
Jims Tue 20-Nov-12 22:51:00

So bf my 11 day old has been going well, although he's v clicky when he feeds there's no apparent obvious Tt but maybe a lip tie. But this evening i just haven't managed to let down properly and he's not sucking properly either to get things going. Have finally given him a couple of oz out of the freezer (but there are only a couple left now) and tried to express without success.

I'm so paranoid about bf having had issues with ds1 and pnd the first time. Ds2 also lost 40g between day 5-10 so i know it's important to get milk into him but we've een having loads of wet and dirty nappies and i can trll if he's had a good drink ehich he does mostly.

Any suggestions? My only thought was to just see
how it goes next feed and hope he can latch on again...
But the chances of me sleeping whilst worryingvhim are a bit slim...!

Welovecouscous Thu 22-Nov-12 21:33:03

Jims, Angel has given some really good advice already.

Two things really strike me from your posts so far - you are well informed and highly highly motivated to bf. I think your baby is very very lucky to have you as a mum.

Hopefully tomorrow you will get clarity on potential tt. I think you are dead right to follow your instinct - often mothers just know things and you are the expert on your own baby.

It will definitely not be too late to rescue supply. Keep going with the expressing - if you are pumping round the clock when not feeding then there will still be milk when the bf gets sorted. Someone on here managed to relactate even, when they were sorry they had given up bf. They couldn't fully bf but they continued giving some feeds for months iirc.

Please keep us posted.

thanks

AngelDog Thu 22-Nov-12 21:45:22

More ideas here from Kellymom.

Yes, even relactation from having completely stopped is possible (though hard work). Don't despair.

Jims Thu 22-Nov-12 23:13:28

Thanks. Will see how goes tomorrow. Even with strong desire to bf, v nearly threw in the towel several times today. My husband is lovely but still thinks i'm a bit crackers.. He's going to come with me tomorrow although that means bringing our 2.5ds as he's worried about me and the journey. There's a park opposite the clinic at least.

Biological position working a bit better at the moment... Well at least for the first side! Too sleepy for the second so top up time required. I really don't think he's had enough milk over the last 48 hours and has prob just had enough to sustain him and that's all. Maybe more top ups are requ...

I am hoping for either a small miracle or a reason why it's not working. Do wonder if i'm just looking for an excuse to give up so i don't feel too guilty. I

Jims Fri 23-Nov-12 21:08:57

So we made it to ann's clinic but fred having been ok this morning, had gone really unresponsive and floppy. I freaked out and took him to a&e in london. Where all his tests were initially clear, he had put on weight - poss due to the ebm i had given him this am - but they thought he was showing some signs of dehydration. So we've been admitted overnight.
But the blood tests actually didn't show he was particularly dehydrated. So we're in for observation and they're tube feeding him every 2 hours (so far ebm) incase it was that. Except they forgot his second feed and i ended up feeding him myself for a bit, much better than he has done in a while - little pest!! I'm glad he seems ok as i'd find it hard to forgive myself if i'd caused him to go hungry in an attempt to avoid formula

I'm just taking it as it comes now and if he ends up on formula so be it.

Never did get that assessment from ann! The prof here saw no signs of TT although i still think he shows some signs like a heart shaped tongue. Oh well.

Apologies for the stream of consciousness post, bit tired now.

AngelDog Fri 23-Nov-12 22:21:55

Oh, that sounds like a scary situation to have gone through.

Hope you get some sleep and that things improve.

thanks

Welovecouscous Fri 23-Nov-12 23:10:40

Oh Jims so sorry to hear you had such a horrible time today sad hoping they will give you the all clear tomorrow.

xx

Jims Sat 24-Nov-12 13:14:50

We're being allowed home. Just need to check in with hv next week. If he does have a posterior tt, it's been missed by the midwives, bf clinic at the hospital and the prof on the children's ward here who have all had a look. Save for that i think i'll just top up if he's not nursing effectively.

AngelDog Sat 24-Nov-12 21:04:00

Glad you're going home. Sadly it's possible for that many people to miss TT (there was a thread here about it, but hope that's not been the case for you.

Hope things improve.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Sat 24-Nov-12 22:27:16

Pleased all is ok smile.

Ann Dobson & Katie Fisher are both brilliant. I was 6 HCP before Katie sorted DS's TT. She was so lovely & helped us loads.

Jims Mon 26-Nov-12 14:44:26

We're back in hospital. Turns out fred had an infection. He'a not back on a nasal tube but bf and top ups. A bit sadly he only feeds properly from me at night and doesn't work for it in the day apparently preferring the bottle. Keep being told to see how it goes when he'a well but getting tired now. Bit sad

He also clicks when freedi g from the bottle. Hmm

AngelDog Mon 26-Nov-12 20:30:12

Poor love. sad

Clicking is one of the signs off TT, although I don't know if it can be caused by other things. TT can cause bottle feeding problems as well as bf ones.

Have you seen the Kellymom info on helping babies who are reluctant to bf? Here.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Tue 27-Nov-12 12:59:15

Sounds like you're having a rough time if it all. DS would feed much better at night with he's TT, the day feeds were always a battle.

Hope you make a speedy recovery smile

Jims Wed 28-Nov-12 13:58:51

Well the short version of a v long story is F has an appointment to have his newly diagnosed posterior TT snipped a week on friday at the hospital. Or i could have it done at home by ann dobson on monday but mybhusban is leas keen on that option. Why does a week of feeding and expressing seem a really long time though...!

It's manageable in hospital with nothing else to do but i'll have way less support next week.

AngelDog Wed 28-Nov-12 18:49:07

Great that you've got a diagnosis at last. smile

A week is indeed a very long time to wait - angry at your hospital.

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