So confused about breast feeding

(21 Posts)
Doodlekitty Sat 17-Nov-12 20:09:40

Where to start? Been breast feeding since ds was born 7 days ago. On wed we ended up in hospital because he had lost so much weight. Hospital said my supply was poor so I topped up with formula. They had me feeding every 3 hours from the breast then topping up with as much formula as he would take (80ml was usual). We got out today and I've been working closely with bf support. They say there is no problem with my supply and that the top ups are not needed. Have advised me to feed on demand but not lat him go more than 3 hours.

Today he breast fed from 1.00 till about 30 mins ago, having 30 mins on boob them 5/15 mins rest then wanting noob back. I've just broke and given him a formula top up because in hospital he was sleeping for 3 hours and being woken for feed.

I don't know whose advice to follow. I'm terrified they will come to weigh him on mon and well end up back in. I really want to EBM, but not at the cost of my babies health.

Since starting the formula he is also very windy, lots of pumps and seems in pain with them. Any advice?

aamia Sat 17-Nov-12 20:20:17

Have you got digital bathroom scales? I get on mine just me, then with baby and the difference is his weight. It would give you an idea of if the bf is working...

aufaniae Sat 17-Nov-12 20:27:06

You may risk putting your own supply at risk if you top up, although I understand how you must be worrying about weight loss.

Do you know how much weight he lost btw?

A very good resource for BF advice is La Leche League. They have a helpline (available in the evenings, not just daytimes).

LLL helpline

Welovecouscous Sat 17-Nov-12 20:28:20

Doodle kitty you sound really tired and I'm not surprised, as having a newborn is incredibly tough. I was where you are now last year and am sending huge un MN hugs to you. I think you are doing brilliantly to be giving your baby so much breast milk. Of all human milk colostrum is the most valuable and you will have improved your baby's health for life by giving him all that colostrum. He will be much less likely to get infections because of it.

You sound very motivated to keep giving your baby breast milk and doing that is going to be great for your baby. There are so many amazing health benefits.

If you are feeding on demand, at least 12 times in 24 hours, always offering at least 2 sides and your baby is well latched and feeding well then it is highly likely the weight will be going back up. Hopefully it will be good news when they next weigh and you can work to cut out all top ups.

Definitely get your DH to make you a brew and buy you lots of lovely biscuit biscuit

Welovecouscous Sat 17-Nov-12 20:29:12

It is true that giving top ups will reduce your supply, so if you top up you will probably want to express to keep your supply up.

Loislane78 Sat 17-Nov-12 20:29:15

There are some clever BF folk on here who will be along shortly to give you some good advice smile

Sorry you're having a rough start. My opinion for what its worth and not knowing all the deets is that I would follow the advice of a good BF counsellor and see what happens for a few days. All too often, formula top ups are mooted as the answer and if you want to give EBF a shot you might have to feed A LOT to establish supply. Have you been pumping? Obviously health comes first whatever feeding method. You getting lots of wet/dirty nappies today? Is he feeding or comfort sucking too?

Hospitalized or not, its not that uncommon for marathon feeding sessions early on but takes confidence to know they're getting enough and I understand your concern.

GL smile

Welovecouscous Sat 17-Nov-12 20:30:33

Please don't worry about the frequent intensive bf by the way - this is completely normal and is very common for bf babies especially in the evening.

Doodlekitty Sat 17-Nov-12 20:45:02

Sorry, I have missed a few details, my head is all over the place! I'm only feeding from 1 side as I have an inverted nipple on other. Have tried Sheilds etc but he just won't latch. I'm expressing from that side and keep offering in the hope he will learn.

Expressing from 'good' side sometimes but I worry that if I express then there will not be enough for him.

Doodlekitty Sat 17-Nov-12 20:46:55

Oh, and he lost 15% of birth weight. Had regained 5% in 3 days

Loislane78 Sat 17-Nov-12 20:56:27

Express off the 'good' side at the end of the feed which will also help build supply. You're never 'empty', works on demand/supply.

DreamySleepyNightySnoozySnooze Sat 17-Nov-12 21:01:11

Keep the milk you express - you can give it to him from a little cup, so you're not wasting it.

Put it in a sterile container and keep it in the fridge. I think it will keep for about 3 days in there, but I will double check that for you now.

DreamySleepyNightySnoozySnooze Sat 17-Nov-12 21:03:24

This is from The Breastfeeding Network website -

"You can store milk in a fridge at 5 to 10 degrees Celsius for up to 3 days and a fridge 0 to 4 degrees Celsius for up to 8 days (* Please note these guidelines are for healthy term babies)."

iwillsleepagainsomeday Sat 17-Nov-12 21:06:50

the more you let him access the breast the more you will produce. So keep him as close as possible so he can up your supply as fast as he can. I have no experience with FF nor EBF but would say that a 3h break for such a young baby is more likely for FF than for BF babies.

give a ring to LLL. And keep strong. It will get better.

AllThreeWays Sat 17-Nov-12 21:44:42

My little fellow was on the boob constantly for the first few weeks, perfectly normal. Three hours is a long time to go between meals for such a little one. Newborns stomachs are the size of a thimble so need constant refilling.
Stomach will grow and supply will establish itself properly soon, just keep letting him feed.

Doodlekitty Sat 17-Nov-12 22:14:12

Thanks guys. Baby finally fell asleep so I grabbed a quick hour. He's back on the breast now though. Feel a bit better and am now in touch with lll

aufaniae Sat 17-Nov-12 22:25:00

LLL are great smile

If you're determined to up your supply and are worried about weight, a good thing to do with such a young baby is to just retreat to your bed, do skin-to-skin and let your baby feed on demand. Sleep when you can, read, mumsnet, watch box-sets, whatever you like, but basically just hang out in bed with your baby for a few days. Sod the cleaning etc! It can wait. This is important smile

BenRoo Mon 19-Nov-12 19:54:34

^what she said^ grin

My advice would be the above.
Feed feed feed mumma.
Bfing can be an intense thing in the early days.
I found LLL,my local bf supporters,friends and mn a great help.
Good luck lovely smile

Doodlekitty Mon 19-Nov-12 20:56:45

Thanks everyone. Baby has gained weight making me a happy mammy. Feeding all of the time, but it's working and that's all that matters

Welovecouscous Mon 19-Nov-12 21:25:19

Well done grin

Your baby is very lucky and you sound rightly proud of yourself. Keep up the good work smile

aufaniae Mon 19-Nov-12 22:23:35

That's brilliant, great news! Well done both of you smile

AllThreeWays Wed 21-Nov-12 09:23:54

yay

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