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Congratulations, First Great Western, you dismissed a woman - and just lost a regular customer.

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Bidisha Sat 31-Aug-13 11:31:22
TheFallenMadonna Sat 31-Aug-13 11:36:57

You wrote that?

NatashaBee Sat 31-Aug-13 11:39:15


You felt your complaint was dismissed because you were a woman? I am not sure that I got that...

Noise in the quiet carriage IS indeed annoying, the conductor person did not act on your complaint; again, rather annoying. I am not sure it warranted the length of your article, sorry.

Hope you find transport that suits you.

ViviDeBeauvoir Sat 31-Aug-13 11:44:56

Something about nothing?
A bit long winded and disappointing. I was really hoping for something outrageous at the end but all I got was a damp squib.

kelda Sat 31-Aug-13 11:48:21

Disappointing article. It takes a very long time to get to the point.

And then there isn't very much point to get to.

There just isn't any evidence to suggest that he dismissed your complaint because you are a woman.

Doodledumdums Sat 31-Aug-13 11:52:05

Is this a joke?!!!

CecyHall Sat 31-Aug-13 11:52:56

I must have missed the reason why you felt the guard didn't act because you are female while trawling through all the unnecessary wordiness.

SandStorm Sat 31-Aug-13 11:53:24

Thing is, you sat through it for 45 minutes without saying anything. Why didn't you mention it to those concerned instead of sitting there waiting for the guard to come along?

NurseRatchet Sat 31-Aug-13 11:54:10

I gave up at the point were you suggested that you and a multitude of others will never go to Bristol again.

differentnameforthis Sat 31-Aug-13 11:55:31

Long winded & boring...I gave up!

WayHarshTai Sat 31-Aug-13 11:55:41

WEll that's two minutes of my life I won't get back.

Why not just ask the other passengers to keep the noise down a bit?

And yes, why all that bollocks about 'I am a journalist, I went to Habs, they were entitled people wearing cheap suits and name-dropping'?

I suppose 'Some people were talking loudly in the quiet carriage, and the conductor was useless when I asked him to sort the situation' is not much of a news story.

clam Sat 31-Aug-13 11:57:40

So, are you implying the guard was somehow being sexist, yet you (if it is indeed you), repeatedly refer to him as dismissively as "First Great Western Man."
How do you think he might have responded, had you been a man?

MardyBra Sat 31-Aug-13 11:57:56

Reading to London is about 30 mins not an hour.

If you've exaggerated that, what else have you exaggerated?

Seems to be a load of old twaddle about a non event.


SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Sat 31-Aug-13 12:01:24

Do they not have editors at the Huffington Post?

MardyBra Sat 31-Aug-13 12:02:48

"it will explain why I am not likely to be in Bristol again, and why all the writers and artists they've invited to speak or perform might think twice about getting the train there from London, and why"

Well you're cutting your nose off to spite your face then.

And do you really believe that every member of the artistic community will stop travelling to Bristol just because one train conductor didn't kowtow to your request.

I don't doubt that this group of people were noisy and less than pleasant, but you come across as very self-important, snobbish and entitled.

GraduallyGoingInsane Sat 31-Aug-13 12:02:53

What a self indulgent article! I had to wade through reams of what sounded like a CV of the author's achievements! Clearly no one has taught her to succinctly get to the key issue!

I don't understand why the author thought it was because she was a woman that her complaint wasn't dealt with, although a 'small voiced, pleading look' isn't something I would deal with as a high priority if I was a guard either. To be honest, it's this sort of 'because I am a woman' wailing that gives women a bad name.

Next time, I suggest that if the author is inconvenienced she go directly to a guard, clearly state that she is unhappy with the volume and ask the guard to speak with the individuals. Or just speak to them herself.

What an odd article!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sat 31-Aug-13 12:06:22

Must be a pisstake surely?

Made me snort anyway smile

MardyBra Sat 31-Aug-13 12:06:54

Also presumably you were near the end of your journey by the time you complained. It probably wasn't worth the guard sorting it out.

Be more assertive next time, love, and get it dealt with sooner. wink

MardyBra Sat 31-Aug-13 12:09:08

I'm fact, if they'd got on at Reading and you waited 45 mins to complain, surely you would have been stationary in Paddingtn by then?

LucyLastik Sat 31-Aug-13 12:09:46

Just to add, there is a typo near the end.

RustyBear Sat 31-Aug-13 12:16:25

Well, seeing that the 13.30 Bristol to Paddington is scheduled to take exactly half an hour between Reading and Paddington, perhaps the guard was stressed because of passengers complaining about the major delay - which the writer doesn't seem to have noticed.....

PuzzleRocks Sat 31-Aug-13 12:18:41

I got half way through and decided to watch paint dry instead. Frightfully misogynistic of me.

I love how she said 14:57 as if that exact time mattered. And that, when it was happening, she was checking her watch and memorising it.

justmuddlingalong Sat 31-Aug-13 12:20:29

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Onesleeptillwembley Sat 31-Aug-13 12:21:12

What a load of long winded shite. Are you this boring and whiny in real life?

HaroldLloyd Sat 31-Aug-13 12:23:11

This must be a joke, right?

If it isn't how do you get through day to day life without combusting with outrage?

Dumbledoresgirl Sat 31-Aug-13 12:25:34

I live near Bristol. I'm glad to know you are not coming back.

My mother used to use a certain phrase a lot: cutting off your nose to spite your face. If this entire article is not a joke, you might like to consider how it applies to you.

Oh, and for such a well-educated, cultured, independent, mature woman: grow a pair!

nickelbabe Sat 31-Aug-13 12:28:01

I don't think you're a very good journalist.

You wrote a really long, tangential column just so you can say that the guard didn't listen to your complaint about the noise.
when you complained, you didn't even rebutt his comment, you just looked at him.
that might be why he smirked: because he thought you were an idiot, not because you're a woman.

CarolineKnappShappey Sat 31-Aug-13 12:28:10

Where's Catlin Moran when you need her?

I didn't think sitting in soft play could get any worse. Then I skimmed read that.

MooncupGoddess Sat 31-Aug-13 12:28:12

Please tell me this isn't for real.

What an awful article!

WandaDoff Sat 31-Aug-13 12:36:16

ODFOD biscuit

kelda Sat 31-Aug-13 12:40:53

LucyLastik - you actually got to the end?!

TallyGrenshall Sat 31-Aug-13 12:41:01

Dear lord, me me me me look at how important I am me me me heres a picture of me me me me

O people were talking and someone didn't take my complaint seriously

Me me me me poor little me

LeGavrOrf Sat 31-Aug-13 12:44:26

Oh my bloody christ.

That diatribe makes me want to strip naked at Didcot Parkway, embrace the first London train which comes through and declare my undying love for First Great Western.

That ridiculous article reads like the hilarious account of a London tornado 'clementines vomited across the floor'

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 31-Aug-13 12:46:17

Looking forward to Bidisha's forthcoming diatribe addressing Mumsnet Women being mean to her on the interweb just because she is a woman


mynameisslimshady Sat 31-Aug-13 12:47:31

Could you not have just written that shite on facebook and have your friends agree with you instead of over inflating a non event and making yourself look a bit silly and entitled really.

He didn't dismiss you because you are a woman, he answered your very half hearted complaint reasonably and went back to work. confused

StUmbrageinSkelt Sat 31-Aug-13 12:50:45

Huffpo don't pay their contributors.

Sometimes you can see why.

Onesleeptillwembley Sat 31-Aug-13 12:51:01

What so called professional has to link for free on mumsnet. And the writing - my eyes. I'm guessing the op's parents were very indulgent. Or Barbara Cartland.

LRDPomogiMnyeSRabotoi Sat 31-Aug-13 12:52:03

Yep, sorry, I really don't get this at all. confused

I know it's often possible to be in a real-life situation where you are absolutely certain that there was sexism in play, and to find when you recount it, other people can't see what you saw and come out with well-meaning 'but are you sure it was because you were a woman?' comments.

And I think we should all be a damn sight better at saying 'erm, yeah. I was there. I am very sure it was sexism.'

But I don't think this article communicates any of that, and it comes across as really sneery to the noisy students, despite the careful insistence that you weren't sneering. Sorry, but it does.

I once had a guard on the train tell me he wouldn't make a bloke turn his phone off 'because he's working, love' (this, while I had my laptop out and a thick pile of papers, which just might have suggested I was working too!). So I know people can be sexist.

I just think you didn't really communicate why on earth you think this was sexism and why you didn't ask them to be quiet yourself.

Damn, wish I'd read these replies before clicking the link!
Most boring thing article ever, OP should maybe reconsider her career choice. Maybe she should join the WRVS which is full of little old ladies with nothing better to do except moan.... Just a thought.

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 31-Aug-13 12:53:27

Ah, I see what it is - Bidisha's whingefest was published two days ago in The Huff Post and has received no comments. So she has posted it here, presumably in the hope of being offended all over again.

TheFantasticFixit Sat 31-Aug-13 12:56:32


Either this is a joke, or bullshit, or there is huge detail left out of the conversation with the Guard. Because at no point could I see how the guard was hideously rude, or that, in ANY way, he was rude to you because you were a woman. A ridiculously entitled 'habs educated journo'' perhaps. You give feminism a bad rap here Bidisha.

Relaxedandhappyperson Sat 31-Aug-13 12:58:06

As well as getting the time from Reading to London wrong, you got the order of stations wrong. Going from Bristol to London you pass through Bath Spa, Swindon and Didcot Parkway in that order not the reverse.

Were you even on this train??

What response did you expect from posting a link here?

LRDPomogiMnyeSRabotoi Sat 31-Aug-13 13:01:06

Not that it matters, but isn't there a slow train that does take longer between London and Reading? Or does it only feel that way when you're on your way back from meeting a load of pissed MNers?

Relaxedandhappyperson Sat 31-Aug-13 13:02:37

There is, LRD, but not coming from Bristol. The slow, stopping trains are mostly Oxford to London.

HarrietSchulenberg Sat 31-Aug-13 13:02:57

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HappilyChatterly Sat 31-Aug-13 13:03:55

I think that was basically an advertorial for your other work, no?

WelliesandPyjamas Sat 31-Aug-13 13:04:11

Despite everyone's opinions though...the website stats will show that the article has been read dozens of times, at least, and it will start getting linked to FB, twitter etc. Genius career boosting, OP hmm

BumpAndGrind Sat 31-Aug-13 13:07:05

Stealth, Stealth Boast?

Gobbolinothewitchscat Sat 31-Aug-13 13:08:59

Are you Liz Jones using an assumed name?!

LRDPomogiMnyeSRabotoi Sat 31-Aug-13 13:11:10

Ah, that would explain it, relaxed.

I am confused because I've read Bidisha before and she's always come across as very sound and feministy. Not remotely 'Liz Jones'.

MorphyBrown Sat 31-Aug-13 13:13:19

Is this really by her? How odd. Usually her articles make me think an though I don't always agree with them. This is so bizarre.

RussiansOnTheSpree Sat 31-Aug-13 13:13:32

Reading to London, on a FGW train, takes 30 minutes. It's coach G which is the quiet coach in first class, not coach F. So, that's two inaccuracies - mistakes - in your article right there.

I hate FGW too. And living in the South West I have to put up with them a lot more often than you do. But the fact is people are allowed to talk in the quiet carriage and if you travelled in FGW frequently YOU'D KNOW THAT. It is the technology they mind. And I agree it's mad but them's the rules and it's their train.

I find articles where the author is at pains to point out how terribly terribly important they are rather tiresome.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Sat 31-Aug-13 13:15:23

You might spend half your life travelling the UK, but honestly - you need to get out more.

nonameslefttouse Sat 31-Aug-13 13:17:25

"How to show respect to a women like me, who will not be dismissed" blimey, so the guard didn't fly into action because you heard talking in god forbid the quiet carrage and you tipped your pen at him to illustrate your utter disapproval and he did nothing! I am flabbergasted how very dare he, I completely agree he should have realeased his Indiana Jones whip and gave them a good thrashing, god damn I hate those educated polyester suited and booted youths who feel the need to talk.

You go get em girl!

nancerama Sat 31-Aug-13 13:18:34

Disappointed. I hate FGW with a passion and was hoping to join in with a good old rant, but reading your verbose diatribe leaves me lacking in any sympathy.

Wow! Words fail me.

I particularly liked your link to the article you wrote criticising Mumsnetters for being snobby.

If this experience genuinely rates as a noteworthy, negative event in your life I think you are either incredibly lucky or nothing ever happens to you.

Lethologica Sat 31-Aug-13 13:23:02

Wow, what a badly written and dull article.

It just shows that a 15K a year education doesn't always pay off. It's amazing that someone with an Oxford education lacks the self awareness to realise that this type of self indulgent nonsense comes across as arrogant and boastful.

What a painful article. About nothing. But lots of name dropping.

EBearhug Sat 31-Aug-13 13:28:56

I usually don't mind Bidisha, but never travelling on GW again for that??

I agree that loud actual conversation can be more intrusive than a quiet mobile call. But I also think if you travel on British trains regularly, you don't expect every journey to be perfect, and you don't expect the quiet carriage to be totally silent. It's nice to get some work done, but I wouldn't necessarily expect perfect working conditions, and sometimes you have to accept today is one of those day - having got some of it done is a bonus.

But if someone was annoying me that much, I would ask them to tone it down myself, although possibly not along the lines of, "Don't you know I am a jolly important journalist," more, "I'm trying to work, so could you keep the volume down a bit, please?" If they got arsey about that, that might be when you'd involve the conductor. But nore likely, I'd give up and sit back and listen in abd shamelessly gather decent snippets for a future good article. Which this one wasn't.

And if it was taking so long to get from Reading to Paddington, some noisy passengers would be the least of my gripes.

P.S. Dear Huffpost/Guardian, among my many skills is my ability to waffle on aimlessly for several paragraphs (see above for example.) I'm ready for a new job, and I reckon I can do better than what you published there, so feel free to contact me. smile

OPeaches Sat 31-Aug-13 13:32:33

Hahahaha. That was written by a journalist?

nancerama Sat 31-Aug-13 13:47:39

DH travels that route every day. The timetable bears little resemblance to the journey length - 45 minutes to an hour between Reading and Paddington isn't unusual hmm

ubik Sat 31-Aug-13 13:56:54

"We journalists are mobile, well-connected, visible and verbal. "

Oooh scary journalist. They can walk and talk and are corporeal.

I was a crime reporter and I was mobile, stressed, slightly scruffy and smelled of fags grin

You wonder if this person has ever experienced any adversity in her life...

LucyLastik Sat 31-Aug-13 13:59:33

I did kelda, don't know how I did it tbh, what with almost falling asleep mid way through OPs CV...wink

MollyBerry Sat 31-Aug-13 14:08:29

I've just read a few other articles by bidisha and they practically all reference north London schools. Why?! Feel the need to live in the past?

Bidisha - I have just checked the times for the train you used, using, and according to that, your train left Reading bang on time, at 14.45, and arrived in Paddington on time at 15.14, therefore you cannot have sat through 45 minutes of noise from Reading onwards.

Oh, and a paragraph that repeatedly uses the construction X yet Y ("...she was sharp, yet deep; the full capacity audience was adoring, yet shrewd; the venue was large, yet elegant; Atwood's latest novel, MaddAddam, is ingenious, yet humane....") is wanky pretentious in the extreme - not to mention very poorly written.

RobotHamster Sat 31-Aug-13 15:12:47

Thanks for that link, I needed a quick snooze.

It only takes about 25 mins from Reading to London P,btw. Not an hour.

29 minutes precisely that day, RobotHamster. We checked.

RobotHamster Sat 31-Aug-13 15:15:01

"That diatribe makes me want to strip naked at Didcot Parkway, embrace the first London train which comes through and declare my undying love for First Great Western."

Please do, it'll be the only amusing thing that's happened at Didcot Parkway this century.

RobotHamster Sat 31-Aug-13 15:15:47

SDTG - I see its already been covered smile

(its an hour from Oxford though)

noblegiraffe Sat 31-Aug-13 15:21:13

What is this self-indulgent bollocks? Reminds me of Livejournal.

Incidentally, a lovely conductor on FGW upgraded me to First Class for free when I was pregnant and had to stand between Reading and Paddington.

OrangeClouds Sat 31-Aug-13 15:21:37

It pleases me that this is (a) in the etiquette section and (b) has attracted many knowledgeable of train timetables.

RobotHamster Sat 31-Aug-13 15:22:49

I miss LJ smile

SorryRobotHamster - that was a bit curt of me. blush

OrangeClouds - my dh reads the All Stations BR Timetable in bed. He has vintage timetables, so he can compare journey times in times gone by with current journey times. He remembers this information and is happy to pass it on to anyone who wants to listen and some who don't. Finding the website that tells you all the timing details for all trains on the UK network for the past week made him so happy.

I am such a lucky woman.....cakewinecakewinecake

duchesse Sat 31-Aug-13 15:32:13

<snort> Got to love all the secret trainspotters popping up. grin

Haven't read the article (having read the responses first, thank you for suffering so I didn't have to). Personally I worry about the OP's self-esteem if she feels the need to canvas opinions here.

OrangeClouds Sat 31-Aug-13 15:33:19

envy jealous face

<not really, trying to make you feel better grin>

BulletProofVestyBunny Sat 31-Aug-13 15:36:16

Bloody hell.

Three comments to make about that piece:-

You really like a comma, don't you?

Please do get to the point a bit more quickly, thank you.

Do (and I never say this) GET OVER YOURSELF.

Duchesse - is willingly and persistantly being married to a train spotter better or worse than actually being one?

Thanks OrangeCloud! He is available for weddings, birthday parties and Bar Mitzvahs. grin

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 15:42:02

What bloody bollocks playing the "it's because I'm a woman" card! biscuit And all that bane-dropping? Shameless!

Rather she means but doesn't want to piss off her audience by saying "I'm an IMPORTANT person who mustn't be treated like the rest of the travelling public"
Plus train guards notoriously chippy, have FAR worse tales to tell than that little one

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 15:42:37

Name-dropping, obviously

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 15:44:26

My dh has the traintracker app and looks at it daily.
We live overseas and he hasn't been on a British train in years grin

difficultpickle Sat 31-Aug-13 15:44:31

I travel on FGW every weekday (except when I get time off fo good behaviour and take holidays). I travel first class so I can be guaranteed a seat. The guards I speak to are unfailingly polite (they were equally polite when I used to travel in standard class). One thing I haven't seen demonstrated is their pyschic powers. Usually if I want to ask or tell them something I use words rather than just staring at them. I find that works amazingly well. Maybe the OP should try that next time?!

RussiansOnTheSpree Sat 31-Aug-13 15:49:28

nancerama It's certainly not unheard of. sad But it's not the norm. The scheduled time is half an hour and the norm is about 35 minutes. Not an hour.

ihearsounds Sat 31-Aug-13 15:59:02

Thanks. Bookmarked it. Just the right kind of boring to send me to sleep. Better than sleeping pills. Managed a couple of paragraphs and felt myself drifting.

Why didn't you say anything at the time to the group? You would think that someone who claims to be a broadcaster and outreach worker specialising in specific areas of social injustice, human rights and international affairs, would be a lot more vocal, not someone who instead prefers to bore their readers.

filee777 Sat 31-Aug-13 16:07:13

Wow, that was one of the worst pieces of writing I have ever seen.

twistyfeet Sat 31-Aug-13 16:25:43

So a major stealth boast and then the worst thing thats ever happenend to you on a train is the guard didnt tell some over entitled idiots to shut up? And HuffPost printed this shite? Nothing deep about how FGW treat wheelchair users?Or their overpriced fares? Or on saturday afternoons how police are needed to stop the football crowds abusing muslim women? Or the dirt and overcrowding?
No, your ego felt snubbed on one journey so you wont be travelling FGW because presumably you are wealthy enough to have an actual choice and can afford a car or a chauffer or something.

Rereading my post at the beginning of this thread, I now feel it was far too measured... grin

I, too, am married to a closet trainspotter - not so much the timetable porn type, more into engines etc. I was married to him for years before I realised the depth of his obsession knowledge hmm

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 16:28:21

Twisty, hear, hear!!!!! All that is worth fighting FGW over. Not this angry

twistyfeet Sat 31-Aug-13 16:28:28

and like bisjo, when I use FGW between Bristol and Paddington, on 90% of occasions the guards have fetched me free coffee and I travel in a wheelchair and cant get it myself. They dont have to do that you know. They always check I'm ok.
Course, I cant use the loos and Paddington staff forget the ramp and leave me on the train but some good humour and politeness and things are generally ok. And a cup of freebie coffee.

Too right, twistyfeet

Is no-one mourning for the West Country's loss, now that Bidisha isn't going to be lowering herself to use FGW's services any more? How will Bristol cope?

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 16:35:49

Hey, Twisty why don't you pitch your story to Huffington Post? Seriously!

LazyMonkeyButler Sat 31-Aug-13 16:36:53

Sorry, I may be a bit slow today but - your point is what? confused

You're a journalist you say? People pay you to write that sort of thing do they?

SoupDragon Sat 31-Aug-13 16:38:11

how to show respect to a woman, like me

Good lord she sounds like a self important, entitled idiot.

noblegiraffe Sat 31-Aug-13 16:39:10

I can't for the life of me figure out why this has been tagged "everyday sexism".

Actually, I also can't for the life of me figure out why the author was so apparently proud of this whiny piece of crap that she decided to do a bit of shameless self-promotion on here. Are there MN rules about linking to your own stuff?

Is the article actually a joke? The 'most astounding thing' happened on FGW and that was it? Sense of proportion needed, or is some gag going right over my head?

TotallyBursar Sat 31-Aug-13 16:39:57

I see she hasn't graced us with her presence again.
I'm surprised her ego isn't making it unbearable to leave her critics unanswered; although I expect it to be 4 paragraphs of hyperbole that boils down to 'shut up, I'm great and you're all wrong because...because I'm great. And important.'

Maybe I should write my own article 'Journalist accidentally submits diary entry to HuffPost, loses readers and respect' oh no wait that was it.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 16:40:08

Bidisha is v active generally in Feminist threads, almost always as Op which ALWAYS starts with a plug to her blog. Interesting, hey? Not quite advertising but considering she's a journo, not far off. And rather taking advantage of MNers goodwill imho...

twistyfeet Sat 31-Aug-13 16:40:59

I could Salbetina but dd2 puked on my keyboard and I dont think its up to such highbrow articles and I didnt go to 'habs'. Or have posh suits.
Oh well. But I could tell the hilarious tale of the time Virgin trains left me on the train at Manchester Picadilly and turned all thge lights off. My plaintiff voice could be heard echoing up the platform shouting 'help, I'm in a fucking wheelchair stuck on the fucking train and I need a fucking wee'
I am such a laydee.

Obviously they did it because I am a woman grin

On a tangent - am I the only one who didn't realise we had an etiquette topic? Might have to start some controversial threads about napkin folding or similar.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 16:44:34

Only if it links to OPs blog wink Seriously, do a search, she must get loads of hits courtesy of mn for free, and all thro cynically plugging nonsensical articles such as this on MN on a v regular basis. Sigh. Wish i had her gall.

SoupDragon Sat 31-Aug-13 16:46:17

She doesn't have that much gall if she couldn't summon up a polite "Do you mind keeping the noise down, this is the quiet carriage" rather than needing a man to do it for her.

Whatelseisthere Sat 31-Aug-13 16:46:53

The previous night I'd presented Margaret Atwood at St George's: she was sharp, yet deep; the full capacity audience was adoring, yet shrewd; the venue was large, yet elegant; Atwood's latest novel, MaddAddam, is ingenious, yet humane.

The article this far is verbose yet boring.

Anyone care to fill me in on what happened? I cba to finish it.

SPBisResisting Sat 31-Aug-13 16:48:56

Bloody hll thats a shaggy dog story and a half.

twistyfeet Sat 31-Aug-13 16:49:55

there were some noisy arses on the train and a man wouldnt go and sort it for her. Oh and some boasting about what school she went too and clothe s and shit.
In a nutshell.

SPBisResisting Sat 31-Aug-13 16:50:42

Love the bit where it details what happened last week, what was happening this week and what the author was looking forward to doing next week. None of which had any relevance to the point

LadyMilfordHaven Sat 31-Aug-13 16:51:36

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MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 16:52:30

Oh God, what a load of drivel. It was so long and tedious I tried to skip to the terrible act that FGW had done and I assume I missed it by not reading to the end as the "dismissal" I assume you mean was so pathetic it can't possibly be the subject of your strop.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 16:54:06

Would far rather hear about Twisty's journey - abandonment in dark carriages at midnight and the free coffees grinFar more human interest or even just interest to relate to.

Article a reminder for me of much of what i hate about the Uk and forget now i live overseas- the utterly misplaced sense of entitlement of some people due to birth/schooling. This is NOT normal and is utterly unmeritocratic. Few countries are this bad!

littlemisswise Sat 31-Aug-13 16:54:14

Am I the only one who didn't know we had an "Etiquette" topic?

whatelse She got on a train. She sat in the quiet carriage. Some students got on and were chatting. She asked the guard to tell them to be quiet. He told her the quiet carriage related to the use of mobile phones, not talking. OP is appalled by his blatant sexism and refuses ever to get on a train again.

You know how things happen that you moan about to your friends over a cup of coffee? Well, she's taken one of those and tried to stretch an article out of it. For filler she's used her entire CV for the past 5 years.

Think that covers it. Maybe I should become a journalist too?

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 16:57:08

Little- maybe OP's working thro the alphabet backwards? F for Feminism, done.. Onto E for Etiquette. It'll be dogs nextgrin

littlemisswise Me either! I feel like the people in WallE when they find the lido deck.

twistyfeet Sat 31-Aug-13 17:04:26

I could dress up my train abandonment as sexism.
'Woman abandoned on train in wheelchair BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN' then whine for half a page about my O levels at a comprehensive. Sadly it wouldnt end with being resceud by Wolverine or some other hunk and HuffPost wouldnt give me a squillion pounds.
I did do a review of a book on Goodreads that was far better tha the drivel written about Attwoods book though. Honestly, my 9 yo could do better than that!

GoshAnneGorilla Sat 31-Aug-13 17:07:09

LeGav - Thanks for reminding me of the vomited clementines.

The kindest thing I can say about this article is that it inspired an interesting and funny thread.

The unkindest, is that there are orchestras with less trumpet blowing.

twistyfeet Sat 31-Aug-13 17:09:23

I have to get on a First Bus later. As a 'woman'. Do I need a man with me do you think? What if someone is 'noisy'?

SoupDragon Sat 31-Aug-13 17:11:33

No, Twisty, just find a stray man and catch his eye and give him a pathetic, silent, yearning look. And, apparently, you need to "peep" at him rather than speak.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 17:14:14

Just put it down line by excrutiating line in your blog then plug shamelessly on random MN threads, works a treat, seemingly!

noblegiraffe Sat 31-Aug-13 17:14:41

Surely journalists should be able to work with noise in the background? I can't imagine John Simpson not filing his copy from a war zone because it was too noisy, what with the mortar attacks going on.

twistyfeet Sat 31-Aug-13 17:14:59

Noted. On the way back I'll be rather drunk so will be witty and charming with the peeping and the catching of the eye wink

Wearegoingtobedlehem Sat 31-Aug-13 17:30:23

Erm, someone must have been bored to write that?

paperclipsarebetterthanstaples Sat 31-Aug-13 17:36:04

Well that's 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back! You weren't ignored because you're a woman, you were ignored because it was a non issue. THIS is the type of thing that gives feminists a bad name - I feel embarrassed for you.

member Sat 31-Aug-13 17:37:49

Good lord , you make a living from smugly rehashing your CV & concluding a person's (in)action was down to your gender with no supporting evidence whatsoever?? [shocked]

Wow! I've been a SAHM for 12 years & am finding it difficult to find a job that I recognise the title of, far less one I'd have the confidence to do.

Thanks to you OP, I'm going to apply to be a journalist - although I have no relevant experience, relaying my stream of consciousness whilst bigging myself up/putting others down seems very achievable- thanyou!

RustyBear Sat 31-Aug-13 17:41:08

SDTG - is that your comment on the blog? (about the timing of the journey)

SPBisResisting Sat 31-Aug-13 17:43:59

PMSL at "Thanks to you OP, I'm going to apply to be a journalist "

TurnOffTheTv Sat 31-Aug-13 17:55:01

This is definitely on a par with the 'vomiting clementines' article in The Metro. Bloody love that article, makes me weep with laughter. <slinks off to find link>

Someone has commented on the blog, Rusty?

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 18:01:54

Its a bit ummm

Lethologica Sat 31-Aug-13 18:15:17

So does anyone want to buy her FIRST BOOK? The reviews are most entertaining shock confused hmm

RustyBear Sat 31-Aug-13 18:16:48

Yes, SDTG - only one comment though (wonder if the others have been deleted!)

Onesleeptillwembley Sat 31-Aug-13 18:19:56

Possibly the OP speaks the way she writes. If so, it probably took her half an hour to tell the guard nothing at all. Poor man.

Floggingmolly Sat 31-Aug-13 18:21:16

What a load of bollocks hot air.
It is indeed a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing

Onesleeptillwembley Sat 31-Aug-13 18:23:43

Is it just me or is the OP coming across as a knob?

mimitwo Sat 31-Aug-13 18:25:44

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mimitwo Sat 31-Aug-13 18:29:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Dumbledoresgirl Sat 31-Aug-13 18:30:02

'Is no-one mourning for the West Country's loss, now that Bidisha isn't going to be lowering herself to use FGW's services any more? How will Bristol cope?'

Nah - we are rejoicing. I feel for you poor SE/Londoner types who will have to put up with her all the time henceforth.

mimitwo Sat 31-Aug-13 18:30:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Um....get a life?

BrianTheMole Sat 31-Aug-13 18:31:18

Crikey, what a poorly written article. Stick to the point instead of bouncing around like a kangaroo on speed. What a waste of 3 minutes of my life. I will never get that time back sad

Maryz Sat 31-Aug-13 18:39:15

Journalist? Really? I presume the Huffington Post doesn't pay. What a pointless waste of ten minutes.

I thought the story was going to have a point.

For anyone who doesn't want to have to read it, the only point is "conductor wouldn't tell people to stop talking in the quiet carriage".

"Is it just me or is the OP coming across as a knob?"

Nope, it is just you, Onesleeptillwembley - the rest of us are torn between our awe and admiration of her writing, and sheer horror at the appalling way in which she was treated! grin

I am pondering in what way this is relevant to 'Etiquette': was it the outrage of speaking in the quiet carriage? Or that it was 'entitled young people' speaking (don't they know their place?)? Or that the FGW man didn't jump to Badisha's help?

This is distracting me...

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 18:47:39

Yep, forget Twisty being abandoned in a dark carriage, this OP was dissed by a guard as he wouldn't ask fellow passengers to stop talking on her request. All because she was a woman! Shocker!

noblegiraffe Sat 31-Aug-13 18:49:23

Must be exhausting being so feminist.

"ASDA incorrectly charged me on a 3 for 2 offer and refused me a refund" #everydaysexism

"Costa didn't offer me a free refill on my coffee" #everydaysexism

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 18:52:50

The article was dull ,yet boring.
Self indulgent ,yet tedious.

I don't recall ever having read a bigger pile of bollocks.

I got to the end of the second paragraph and found it full of unnecessary words, yet boring. References to people which were bitchy, yet tedious. Name drops and self serving links which were yawn worthy, yet mindnumbing.

(see what I did there grin)

flipchart Sat 31-Aug-13 19:00:15

Where are you OP?

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SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Sat 31-Aug-13 19:03:06

I think you're all treading on very thin ice here. You really should show more respect for a woman, like Bidisha, who will not be dismissed. If you aren't careful she'll write a long rambling piece about MNers who are vipers, yet sarcastic; insulting, yet not impressed by wibble. Then she'll post a link to it somewhere completely irrelevant, like the camping section. You see if she doesn't!

Sleepyfergus Sat 31-Aug-13 19:05:30

And you're a journalist? Really? REALLY???

I best First Great Western are holding a party right now knowing you're never going to travel on their trains again.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 19:07:18

Fucks me off actually- i was good at English at school but no one from my bog- standard comp really did things like journalism, you were aiming high if you went into teaching!

She had all the privileges of a Haberdasher Aske's education yet STILL writes so badly.. And gets away with it angry? Nothing like useful school contacts, hey?! biscuitbiscuit

HaroldLloyd Sat 31-Aug-13 19:08:45

I'm sure she will be back. After all she is not the type of person to crawl like a nobody, into her nobody hole.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 19:08:46

Saskia, sadly you're probably right! Probably only need to copy & paste and job done!

RandallPinkFloyd Sat 31-Aug-13 19:11:46

I'm torn. I do want to read it because the quotes make the OP sound like a total knobber and that's always good for a laugh, but on the other hand I'm not sure it would be good for my rage.

So you see I'm tempted, yet trepidatious.

HaroldLloyd Sat 31-Aug-13 19:13:13

It's bloody hilarious. I've read it three times.

I am amused, yet flabbergasted.

TSSDNCOP Sat 31-Aug-13 19:13:41

Christ on a bike you're like the most dull writer ever.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 19:16:13

Read it Randall, you will think what the fuck is this nonsense,yet highly amused.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Sat 31-Aug-13 19:16:22

Can someone sum up please? I couldnt get past the first sentence

HaroldLloyd Sat 31-Aug-13 19:18:21

She asked the guard to ask some passengers to talk more quietly.

He said "you can't stop people talking"

Therefore she is never going to Bristol again.


usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 19:19:05

Some poshos in suits were talking in the quiet carriage,guard didn't give a toss.

Err, that's it.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 19:19:26

And he only said that because she's a woman

Helpyourself Sat 31-Aug-13 19:20:34

I don't think Bidisha ever engages does she, just throws us poor downtrodden mothers a little intellectual stimulation. hmm
In case you do though- why did you post in etiquette? The whole concept of manners/ rules/ etiquette is anathema to a feminist surely?

TSSDNCOP Sat 31-Aug-13 19:21:06

Toys it is a major storm in a tea cup, written incredibly badly in a style I can only describe as crap.


She was in the quiet coach. Some noisy young people got on at Reading, and were noisy for 45 minutes (despite the journey time to Paddington being only 30 minutes). Eventually she told the guard that the nasty people were being too noisy, and he refused to do anything about it because she is a woman and he was a passive-aggressive sexist person.

Maryz Sat 31-Aug-13 19:22:50

I may have missed the point, but as some of the talkers were women doesn't that render the sexist assumption irrelevant?

Onesleeptillwembley Sat 31-Aug-13 19:22:51

Thanks, SDT for putting me straight. I stand corrected. Obviously my innate sexism came to the fore. Obviously not having the benefit of a Habs (is that similar to Hogwarts) education has left me unappreciative of the finer things in life, such as the OPs writings, and, indeed, the OP herself.

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 19:23:07

E for etiquette comes before F(eminism), like i said, dogs next if she's going backwards! wink

Onesleeptillwembley Sat 31-Aug-13 19:24:39

flipchart did you mean what planet is the OP on?

Maryz Sat 31-Aug-13 19:25:30

I have just noticed the tag line:

"Bidisha: Writer, broadcaster and outreach worker specialising in social justice, human rights and international affairs"


flipchart Sat 31-Aug-13 19:26:47

Yeah, that might be a better question! Lol!

RandallPinkFloyd Sat 31-Aug-13 19:27:19

"I had the most astounding experience on First Great Western."

Blimey, I'm pretty sure you're not using that word right.

I'm afraid I could only bring myself to skim, but I do need to say that whoever mooky is who made the second comment - excellent work grin

AthelstaneTheUnready Sat 31-Aug-13 19:28:25

So the only words she actually said out loud to the guard were "I'm sorry, it's just they're really noisy". And then she just stared at him until he went away?

She sounds a bit unhinged to me.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 19:30:08

Loving Mookys work grin

Lethologica Sat 31-Aug-13 19:30:42

I have an etiquette question:

Is it rude to post a thread on Mumsnet directing people to my own extremely badly written and pompous article?

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Sat 31-Aug-13 19:36:20

"Oh, testify! First Great Western man,
what did you think I would do, numbly accept your rudeness, which you delivered so happily and so openly? Swallow it down and crawl like a nobody back to my nobody hole, having been put down by you? "

This is my favourite bit smile It's the combination of the over long sentence, the odd formatting, and the sheer pretentiousness.

Oh, testify! Bidisha,
you were pissed when you wrote this weren't you?

garlicbargain Sat 31-Aug-13 19:41:10

grin Saskia.

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

Lethologica, yes, it is.


Yours sincerely,

PD (Etiquette Specialist)

185 posts inspired by this drivel grin

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 19:50:29

It must be a slow night on MN grin

Oh, I am quite enjoying myself grin.

I wish Bidisha (I am sorry I got your name wrong earlier, OP) would come back though and engage with us vipers.
'Tis beginning to feel a bit mean... <<softie>>

LRDPomogiMnyeSRabotoi Sat 31-Aug-13 19:53:27

To be fair, MN does its best work with drivel for inspiration. Look at the crap baby poem thread.

MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 19:54:20

Hurray for someone getting a seat who wouldn't normally get one as the OP would be sat there. Being dismissed not.

You really need to toughen up, love, if you think that was being dismissed.

And you need to learn to write better as that was shite.

Onesleeptillwembley Sat 31-Aug-13 19:57:38

There's a formula to successfully write. The formula for this is;


Maryz Sat 31-Aug-13 19:58:14

Yes Pacific.

This would have been so much fun as an AIBU

Oh my, can you imagine the carnage in AIBU grin!

'Tis a bit odd to just post the link and then run

theyoniwayisnorthwards Sat 31-Aug-13 20:08:13

This is so WEIRD. She writes for the guardian and is often very readable.
Maybe it's a joke?

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 20:10:42

Maybe it is a cruel trolling thing?

That wouldn't be very nice would it?

Lethologica Sat 31-Aug-13 20:11:11

Perhaps the OP is still writing her next post. hmm
If she thought the train conductors imaginary rudeness merited that verbose article I suspect any reply addressing the well deserved rudeness on this thread would have to be longer than War and Peace.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 31-Aug-13 20:14:41

Not your best work OP.

K8Middleton Sat 31-Aug-13 20:16:41

Oh Bidisha <wrings hands> I used to like you but with this ridiculous non-event and your piece about Caesarean sections (which IMHO was a classic example of falling for misognistic rhetoric about the capabilities of women as a homogenous entity) I fear you have become a parody of yourself sad

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AnneEyhtMeyer Sat 31-Aug-13 20:24:25

One of the crappiest bits of writing I've ever read. You sound like a 14 year old.

I got deleted! [proud]

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 31-Aug-13 20:36:45

Hello hello

Thanks to those who have reported this. We do indeed ask people not to post and run with blog links outside the Bloggers topic. We've moved this there now. We'll also drop the OP a line to explain our rules.

We would appreciate it, though, if folks could remember our rules about personal attacks. It's fine to criticise or attack the piece itself, but please don't extend the attacks to the writer.


TheFallenNinja Sat 31-Aug-13 20:43:36

What a load of drivel.

anonnymousey Sat 31-Aug-13 20:45:45

twaddle much yah?

Aw, no longer in 'Etiquette' sad

SDTG, I took you comment to be intended in a 'general purpose' phrase rather than 'personal attack'. Hey ho grin

Could this be somebody else posting in THP as Bidisha?? That'd be really quite evil. I do like a good conspiracy theory.

wokeupwithasmile Sat 31-Aug-13 20:54:43

I am soooo bored. And you stole 10 minutes of my life. I want them back and to not hear from/about you ever again.

MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 20:57:46

I am sure TheFallenNinja doesn't mean you, Rowan grin.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

K8Middleton Sat 31-Aug-13 21:05:10

Perhaps the OP is still writing her next post

Hahahahahaha grin

Dolallytats Sat 31-Aug-13 21:09:39

That was quite possibly the most boring and pointless thing I have ever not bothered to finish reading!!

ChasedByBees Sat 31-Aug-13 21:12:04

Oh testify! That was a load of bollocks.

You wrote that much about that ridiculous tiny tiny non-event? Good lord. All the overblown, pompous twaddle about cheap suits and name dropping, just urgh. If you write like that on a daily basis I am amazed you've managed to make a career in journalism.

You could have dealt with it a lot sooner yourself rather than give the conductor a plaintive, pathetic look. Your colleagues will think you are a loon if you raise this as an extraordinary incident.

That was indeed the intention, PacificDogwood - I was a bit baffled - proud was putting a good face on it.

BrianTheMole Sat 31-Aug-13 21:18:17

Maybe this isn't her. The style of writing doesn't seem to be quite the same.

ButThereAgain Sat 31-Aug-13 21:23:03

<martin luther king voice> I have a DREAM, that one day travelling chatteratti will be judged NOT by their ability to phrase a request efficiently to an overworked train guard but by the contents of their journalistic portfolio and media events presentation experience. I have a DREAM of a world in which the over-entitled noisy will no longer oppress the over-entitled seekers of a little bit of peace and quiet. I have a dream. <chokes>

Surely this is some sort of pisstake/idenity theft?

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 31-Aug-13 21:25:17


I am sure TheFallenNinja doesn't mean you, Rowan grin.


confuddledDOTcom Sat 31-Aug-13 21:28:10

"Writer, broadcaster and outreach worker specialising in social justice, human rights and international affairs"

You'd think she has more social injustices to worry about than a guard not telling some kids to lower their voices on a train.

How can she judge an entire company who, as she states herself, she's had lots of positive experiences of by one employee? The better test of a company is how they deal with complaints.

Lethologica Sat 31-Aug-13 21:40:52

I think it is her article.

Here is a direct quote from an article she had published in the Guardian online in April 2011.

I'll be frank. I loved Haberdashers'. Habs was rigorous and the teachers were legends – hola Senora Fanning, bonjour Madame Gradon. The wall between the boys' and girls' compounds (which I always imagined being completely symmetrical, like a textbook illustration of a set of ovaries) was sprayed with spermicide and patrolled by snipers. shock

She has a distinctive style grin hmm confused

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 21:42:33

Do you think she's finished writing her reply yet? grin

What on earth did she have to say about CSs??

No. Wait. I probably don't want to know.

Spermicide and snipers grin

exexpat Sat 31-Aug-13 21:51:57

Has Bidisha written anything slagging off MN yet? If not, I wonder what her next Huffington Post piece will be...

I have to say, I read the blogpost thinking, surely this must be some kind of subtle satire/pisstake/take-off of someone's else's over-entitled wordy garbage - surely no one can be so completely unassertive and somehow come to the conclusion that it is male oppression/FGW's fault - but came out scratching my head and thinking that if it is, it is done so subtly that it has gone right over my head.

There are all sorts of negative things I could say as a Bristolian with not many options other than FGW for getting to London, but I don't think I will be boycotting it in support of Bidisha's traumatic experience...

K8Middleton Sat 31-Aug-13 22:08:28

c-section piece Pacific. Natural birth is apparently a myth hmm It's a often fucking painful reality and many, many women do it. We should be proud of our births however they happen and muddling a women's right to request a c-section (perfectly valid and a Good Thing) with a women's ability to have baby vaginally (great if you can/want to and most women can and do) is IMHO based in patriarchal bull shit.

exexpat Sat 31-Aug-13 22:28:42

It would be interesting if Bidisha came back on here to respond, but that looks unlikely - no history of engaging with people on MN, and I noticed that while she has nearly 3,000 twitter followers (none of whom found her HuffPost piece interesting enough to retweet it, even though she tweeted it twice), she follows no one. Broadcast only, not interested in anyone else's ideas?

See. I told you I would not want to know.
But thanks for linking, Kate; I could not be bothered to seek it out.
Hear, hear re 'patriarchial BS' - and much more of an issue than unchecked chattering yoofs on a train...

Msbluebozooka Sat 31-Aug-13 22:36:24

Mardy agree with everything!

That's journalist for you they exaggerate everything.

And how snobbish " I cut the label out of my D Perkins Suit "
Get a life !
Will be avoiding anymore blogs of Boring Biddy

Salbertina Sat 31-Aug-13 22:41:06

Oh god she's annoying!! The Grauniard can be so bloody dull, lightweight and petty sometimes about total non-issues!

Reminds me of my rather immature and naive sister who's forever taking umbrage at perceived slights from random strangers or getting her knickers in a twist about life threatening matters such as why women should ever still take their husbands' surname (apparently far more of an issue than the affordability of childcare to most women, she speaks as a non-mother biscuit)

exexpat Sat 31-Aug-13 22:52:40

Salbertina - this is Huffington Post, not Grauniad. They do let some whiney stuff through into Comment Is Free sometimes, but I think someone at the Grauniad might have raised an eyebrow and said "really?" at this one.

ButThereAgain Sat 31-Aug-13 22:54:11

I'd never read a Bidisha piece before this one. But I had quite often seen her spoken of fairly highly on MN and thought of her as someone who, if I read her, would give me a more positive view of political/activist blogging than my actual jaded take on it. Having read this piece I don't think I could ever take anything from her seriously. Was/is she really a force for good?

confuddledDOTcom Sat 31-Aug-13 23:31:42

Well the best bit about that article was the fun I've had reading this thread.

twistyfeet Sun 01-Sep-13 12:01:52

Did she not come back? I had a great time out in Bristol last night and will be retuning to Lahndan on a FGW train later when my head stops banging grin

I will watchn out for subtly sexist guards and bitter journalists and shouty status arses. And tell them to keep it down. I think that last whisky was a mistake. Ouchouchouchneverdrinkingagainetcetc

twistyfeet Sun 01-Sep-13 12:03:46

I steered my wheelchair off a kerb and fell over and some nice young men came and lifted me up.
Is that cos I is a woman?
Should a feminist have said 'Nooooo, stand back egads, I shall deal with myself sexist pigs!'
Fraid I leered drunkenly wink

CatAmongThePigeons Sun 01-Sep-13 12:09:33

For a journalist theres quite a lot of bollocks in the article. The complaints team would be just in replying TL;DR.

CatAmongThePigeons Sun 01-Sep-13 12:14:13

Oh and for everyone who has ever been to or lived in Bristol, we thank you for never wanting to come back, I assume that you include the rest of the south west too? <hopeful>

I had a station guard lift my pram up the steps last weekend, how dare he! Just because I am a woman. Bastards...

sweetiepie1979 Sun 01-Sep-13 12:19:05

God that was a boring read!

Onesleeptillwembley Sun 01-Sep-13 12:20:23

twisty you sound great fun. Can I come out and be oppressed with you? wink

Me too, Onesleep - I think we could really have a good time!! grin

twistyfeet Sun 01-Sep-13 13:06:26

Sure onesleep. Let me stun the screechy child then we shall hit the town. Hair of the dog n all that.

squeaver Sun 01-Sep-13 13:13:02

Why journalists need editors.

confuddledDOTcom Sun 01-Sep-13 14:10:57

Sometimes I think MN needs a like button! Or a love button (that sounds weird confused) you're all brilliant!

katese11 Mon 02-Sep-13 20:02:46

Woh! I thought it was building up to a point and assumed "dismissed" in the sense of "sacked"....wrong on both points. If you take an hour to get from Reading to London, you're on the wrong train!

SoupDragon Mon 02-Sep-13 20:46:09

No sign of the OP? Is FGW perhaps the only train company serving Mumsnet...?

katese11 Mon 02-Sep-13 20:50:05

^Oh First Great Western
I thought you were the best, then
You threw it in my face
That was not so naice^

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 03-Sep-13 01:55:12

Oh wow! Not a single argument, disagreement or enemy difference of opinion on here. We've also arranged snigger out with Twisty. Good thread all round. grin

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 03-Sep-13 01:55:54

Enemy = even

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 03-Sep-13 01:56:19

Snigger = a night out

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 03-Sep-13 01:57:57

Though no doubt we'd be sniggering on said night out, between the wine and the fun and the oppression. grin I'm off now. I've obviously been practicing for said night, and my phones taking the piss.

I like the concept of a snigger out with twisty - it sounds like a perfect name for it!

twistyfeet Tue 03-Sep-13 15:46:37

we'd be sniggering grin

candycoatedwaterdrops Sun 13-Oct-13 15:46:45

Congratulations, Bidisha, on writing the biggest load of wank I've read all day.

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