Please don't promote blogs that aren't in the Mumsnet Bloggers Network. Join the network

What is this section meant to be about?

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DillyTante Fri 14-Sep-12 18:40:30

You know, I'm finding that I rarely use this bloggers section anymore because I don't really know the point of it.

Is it somewhere where we discuss blogging related issues, e.g. Technical, writing, ideas etc. Is it where we share our latest blog posts? We do that on one thread and it's not very interactive, I feel that people post and run and don't read other people's posts. Some people post separately when they post but if we all did that the place would be over run and you'd never really see anything.

This isn't supposed to be where we share other people's blogs, though I'm not sure where on MN we'd do that then if not for the bloggers section.

There are a lot of people who just come on this section and never go on the rest of MN, just treat it as if it is it's own little chat forum. But that never goes down well on MN, for good reason, you never really get a feel for the ethos of the place, and it feels like you just don't care about MN enough. So then I get irrationally angry at people who post random questions that are nothing to do with blogging and would be better on the Relationship or Education (etc) sections.

So what is this space meant to be all about? What do YOU want from it, how can we make it better, because I mostly find it quite slow & boring ATM but I'd like to hang around here a bit more.

Tee2072 Fri 14-Sep-12 21:52:21

I find it completely pointless, TBH.

And I report all the threads that don't belong, that have nothing to do with blogging.

To be completely honest, I find the whole network pretty pointless. Even when MNHQ promotes my blog via Twitter, I don't get any more hits than if they didn't.

There are too many bloggers.

germyrabbit Fri 14-Sep-12 21:53:23

i think it's where people can talk about themselves all the time and hope maybe some other people might listen grin

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 15-Sep-12 14:56:07

Hello Dillytante

All good questions, and ones which we've been pondering here at MBHQ.

Our thinking at the moment is that the Bloggers topic is a bit hard to find, hidden away as it is within 'Other Subjects'. We're considering giving it it's own category, and having topics within that category which might make things a bit clearer for folks. So "Bloggers: newbies' questions", "bloggers: building traffic", "bloggers: social media" etc.

We want bloggers to feel that they have a community here, of course - but we were also thinking that it might be good to get a bit more 'crossover' between the network and the rest of MN. We'd like non-bloggers to feel they come over for a chat as well, so we're mulling a 'bloggers: in the news' section - bloggers can post links to topical blog-posts (which they can't do on the rest of MN), and non-bloggy MNers can read their posts and also join in with the general discussion.

We'd also have a topic for blogprompts, where bloggers can suggest topics which might inspire others to post. We've been doing a few recently - not with great success admittedly grin - but we think it might be a slow-burner...wink

What do you think? We're very open to suggestions, and now that the summer hols are well and truly behind us we'll be focusing on ways to refresh the network and make it more blogger- and reader-friendly. We've got a few ideas, and we'd love to hear yours - whether they be about improving parts of the site, changing how we promote your posts, or anything else!

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 15-Sep-12 15:19:42

Oh, and how about 'Bloggers: AIBU'? wink

QueenMaeve Sat 15-Sep-12 18:25:20

I feel a bit of loyalty to the rest of the mumsnet bloggers as I got into blogging in the first place through mumsnet. But I do think there has been less and less interaction in this part of mn. I do find it helpful for some of the technical stuff though, and people have helped me out at times. The bloggers email is good, but that only goes to other bloggers? Would it be possible for mnetters to sign up to a newsletter of blogposts of the month, a mix of stuff? Just a thought.

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 15-Sep-12 18:41:25

That's a really good idea QueenMaeve - we'll look into it. Any more <bats lashes>?

Tee2072 Sun 16-Sep-12 06:19:58

I think splitting the section into topics will get you less posts, not more. It seems to me the number one complaint on MN as a whole is that there are too many topics.

I have no suggestions. Just complaints. Sorry.

DillyTante Sun 16-Sep-12 08:06:06

Yes I also think that it will preserve the distinction between the bloggers section & rest of MN. Is that what you want? I guess the difference is most blog forums started from bloggers getting together so the emergence of topics was natural (I dunno - never actually been on any other forums, except Confetti, but the less said about that the better!). Mumsnet is already an established forum so why do you need other topics just for the bloggers? Unless they are blog specific.

I haven't found mumsnet blog network to be massively advantageous either (apart from inspiring me to start in the first place for which I am very grateful). Like QM I am loyal to certain bloggers because we all started together on here, e.g. QM, petiteraleus, MmeLindor, MmeGuillotine, RecipeJunkie etc. but it has lost its community.

Blogging is a difficult one as even though it is technical social media, bloggers are by definition one sided and not massively interactive. Combine that with the desire to get stats and get read it feels a little bit like a jostling match. Those of us who want more of a forum are probably already using Mumsnet in that way.

With regards to promotion I see MNBloggers on twitter but nowhere else. For all Mumsnet's power as a social network I haven't seen that power translate to the Blog Network.

Sorry, I don't really have any answers either but will have a think. Sorry to moan, you know I am a die-hard mnetter!

Tee2072 Sun 16-Sep-12 08:27:37

I would agree about promotion. There doesn't seem to be any.

I have been told, and don't shoot me, but that this is also something NetMums does very very well. And lord know BritMums is thriving.

So what do they do that MN don't do?

DillyTante Sun 16-Sep-12 09:29:44

I don't know. But MN is not well known for blogging yet, which is a shame because MNetters are generally known for being eloquent and opinionated.

Tee2072 Sun 16-Sep-12 11:47:47

Dilly that is true and is a bit ridiculous as hasn't the network been going for about a year?

I honestly think MNHQ are doing too many things with house swap and message boards and bloggers network and their school thing...find one thing, do it and do it well.

blueish Sun 16-Sep-12 20:33:16

I've been on MN a long time and am used to fast interactive chat and busy threads. I've just started blogging and came on to the blogger's forum for some help/advice/support which I had fro the lovely DillyTante but apart from that this does seem like the back of beyond in the middle of bum f*ck nowhere so a bit of a waste of space. Ideally I'd have posted in chat (where the people are) but you probably would have moved it to here anyway.

I hardly come on MN any more as I've discovered twitter and there's no time for both but I do miss MN and if the bloggers bit could be integrated with eg 'chat' then I would come on much more often for blogging interaction plus and then I'd already be here for the other topics I always loved.

There are far too many headings and in the end it makes it too time consuming & unnecessary complicated. I always liked going on the dog & cat bit until you changed it to separate headings, one for dogs & one for cats ! What was the point of that, it's not like they're real and have to be kept apart. Lots of people have dogs AND cats and it's practical & easy to keep them under one heading.

God I haven't had a rant on MN for a long time. It feels good to be back but also very frustrating.

JoanneMallon Mon 17-Sep-12 10:05:58

Isn't the core problem that the wider community here (mostly) hates blogging, can't see the point in it and has a tendency to have an absolute shitfit at anyone (*gasp*) trying to attract traffic for their blog?

I think that what this section needs is more experienced bloggers - at the moment there are too many people asking questions and not enough with the knowledge to answer them. I do answer some, but not all as it would be a big bore if all you ever heard from was me.

But the experienced bloggers stay away because they are well aware of the anti-blogging ethos in the wider MN community, and they know that this network has not delivered much in the way of traffic or networking opportunities.

I think that if more was done to promote the bloggers - eg by updating the Featured Bloggers list on the right more regularly, then you would see more experienced bloggers round these parts and it would gain much more energy and traffic. Some of the people on that list have had months of promotion, but when have they ever posted here? What have they given back?

MmeLindor Mon 17-Sep-12 10:14:43

Oh, good thread Dilly.

I have been a bit quiet on both the blogging and the MNetting front for the past little while but I do kind of agree with you all.

Saying that, while MNBN doesn't really bring many readers to the blog, it has been immensely useful in making contact with other bloggers, and has opened the doors for me to do some amazing things. I realise that I am probably the unusual in this respect, as a lot of that has to do with the Kenya trip.

I really like the idea of having a blog/In The News connection as many of us do post on topical issues. Could that be extended to other topics such as Geeky Stuff and Parenting?

It would be great if we could integrate more with the rest of the boards, instead of being separate - then we could leave the Blogger section for actual blogging questions and connecting with other bloggers.

eg in Being A Parent - we could have a section 'What our Bloggers Think' where we could post links to our blogs.

Maybe it has to be clear that only MNBloggers are allowed to post a link on the rest of the site, and only on one section at a time. So if I write a blog post about meal times, I can't put it in Feed The World and Being A Parent.

Or we might need to have one thread within these topics where we post links to our blogs - so that we don't 'spam' the boards with hundreds of blog links and get everyone all riled up.

Other than that, I think that promoting the blogs more is crucial. It needs to be more of a 'these are OUR bloggers' kind of thing, in that many of us are MNetters who happen to have a blog rather than bloggers who join MN for the network.

And this has to include the discussion on what MNHQ wants.

If you want hundreds of blogs which have no discernible connection to MN then they are unlikely to get that support.

For many of us 'regular' MNetters, it does sometimes feel that we are being left behind, and that quantity is more important that the acceptance within the MN community.

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 17-Sep-12 10:19:58

Hello again - and thanks all.  We're aware that there's lots of room for improvement and we've got various good things in the pipeline. Short-term we've got plans to improve promotion of blogs within the main Mumsnet site, so that MNers who don't venture onto the Bloggers Network do get a chance to see what we're up to. As always it's a question of resources, but we're hoping to start that ball rolling very soon. We're also going to be ramping up our Twitter activity and improving promotion via the @MNTowers account, and Facebook and Google+ -- which should bring more eyeballs our way.

Longer term, we've got plans to improve our homepage so that it will be MUCH easier to promote more posts every day - at the moment we're really limited to three posts, which clearly isn't enough. 

Your points about Bloggers' Talk are really interesting. Dillytante, I think you're right that bloggers can be less chatty, with much of their 'social' energy going towards producing and promoting their posts. And blueish I agree that it would be great to integrate bloggers into Chat - problem is that bloggers quite reasonably want to be able to link to their posts, and at the moment, there's not much appetite for that amongst MNers generally. Hence our thinking that if Bloggers Talk had its own more visible category, it would promote integration. Although I take Tee2072's point that too many topics could mean fewer posts...

Joanne that's a v good point about encouraging more experienced bloggers to engage here. We're trying to rotate our Featured Bloggers block weekly now, though that may have dropped off a bit over the hols blush. But we'll be sure to do so from now on - and the other improvements in promotion I mentioned should also have a positive effect.

Thanks everyone - it's really useful to hear your thoughts, so do please keep 'em coming. 

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 17-Sep-12 10:24:10

MmeLindor those are good ideas for enabling bloggers to interact more on the rest of Talk. Discussions are underway on that subject - promise - but we'll definitely add those to the list of possible solutions.

MmeLindor Mon 17-Sep-12 10:26:41

I suggested a competition a while back - for non-bloggers to post links to their favourite MN blog - to encourage people to go and have a wee snoop around the Bloggers Network. With the emphasis on OUR bloggers.

Would that be something that you would be interested in?

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 17-Sep-12 12:57:49

Hi MmeLindor - good idea, though I guess we'd have to be sensitive to the fact that not all MNers-who-blog might want their blog connected to their MN name. But we'll put it on the list!

MmeLindor Mon 17-Sep-12 14:50:02

Actually, I have been thinking about this. Maybe we need to be more proactive here, to reclaim the section from the dump-post-and-runners?

Will try and check it daily.

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 17-Sep-12 18:32:01

Oh, no pressure MmeLindor grin, but I think you're spot on. Dillytante's point about other forums emerging organically is quite right - but there's no reason that Blogger's talk can't - over time, with input from MNBloggers, and some tinkering at this end - a blimmin' useful and interesting board.

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 17-Sep-12 18:40:34

be a blimmin' &c.

DillyTante Mon 17-Sep-12 19:44:09

MmeLindor said it all better than me! Agree about the difference between Mumnetters who blog and bloggers who mumsnet. Though it is also true that some people might not want their blog name to be linked with their long time user name. Though I seem to have adopted this one on a semi-permanent basis, just being a bit more circumspect about what I post under it, which is no bad thing.

It's hard to police the post-and-runners. Mumsnet obviously want to encourage as many people as possible and care less about what they do while they are here (I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm just aware you are running a business), while us users want quality and interaction.

I was also thinking about there being a little blogging section on each topic. I know there are some topics where it would work better than others. Arts&crafts would wear it well I think, as crafting is a massive social media thing now anyway. It is very much about sharing ideas and inspiration.

blueish Mon 17-Sep-12 22:20:04

I personally don't particularly like the idea of you 'ramping up twitter activity'. I'd rather MN wasn't on twitter at at tbh but that's because I still want it to be a cosy, quality corner of support, refuge, intrigue, comedy and lots of AIBU, without the potential trolls, twits, & twats &twaddle coming via links from twitter. #don'tlikesharingMNwithstrangers smile

MmeLindor Mon 17-Sep-12 22:40:54

yes, agree Dilly. I am much more careful what I post under this name than I used to be. I did namechange for a while, but everyone ignored me ;)


I do think that adding a blogger section would work on lots of topics and might bring more awareness of bloggers.

Sorry, Blueish but I think Twitter is here to stay.

blueish Mon 17-Sep-12 22:49:36

I know and I use/love it. I just don't like MN being on it as I feel quite possessive about MN and don't like the idea of it becoming watered down and mainstream.

DebonaireDad Tue 18-Sep-12 05:06:11

I'm so glad that Dilly started this thread, for a couple of reasons. first up, as both a newbie to Mumsnet, Mumsnet Blogging (and blogging in general) I was also trying to work out what it was for and how it benefited, especially in the last couple of days where there seemed to have been more and more posts completely unrelated to the subject of blogging. Also it's good to see a good debate on it, with both seasoned Mumsnetters and some new people like me joining in, it shows that some people are interested in improving it for all, which has to be a good thing and makes me want to stick around and see if I can contribute (as well as if it can help benefit me).

One question that I have, and perhaps this goes to the issue of quality/quantity that has been raised by some, is around relevance - when I first dropped by here, I assumed that it would be about blogs that are related to children/being parents and so, given the mumsnet connection (which by and large they are), but there also seem to be an increasing number of blogs that are completely unrelated to the "parent thing". I don't have any issue with this, but was wondering, is this a meeting place for:
a) Mumsnetter's who blog (on any subject, including or not, parenting)
b) People who blog about parenting related stuff (to some degree) who have joined mumsnet to access the "mumsnet bloggers area" as some form of resource and/or exposure
c) People who blog about anything and see this as a resource... (as per b) above)
I would be interested to know what those "in charge" think, and of course, everyone else.

Personally, I saw it as a way to perhaps get some advice from others with more experience than me (on blogging) a, bit of a chance for some mutual blog cross-promotion if relevant and to maybe maybe make some new virtual friends along the way.

From a selfish point of view I would like to understand how certain aspects work, such as featured bloggers, how the process of being "followed" on twitter or linked to on twiitter by mumsnet works and so on.

As I said, I've not been around mumsnet or the main forums long, but as others have said, I don't think too many people would be happy if you integrated the main forum and the blogs (somehow) too closely - people clearly go there to chat etc., and don't want to be advertised to. However, they may be interested in certain parenting (or it seems to me, relationships) related posts on blogs if presented in a not too obtrusive way.

Bit long winded that, but I hope it adds to the debate - right, I'm off to find the relevant board to post on regarding getting some advice on a two-year-olds birthday party...

MmeGuillotine Tue 18-Sep-12 16:16:06

Personally, I'm a Mumsnetter who blogs about history and writing but not parenting and I come here to chat with other bloggers or help out if I can as I've been blogging for a while now! smile

This is a great thread - I'm definitely in favour of a bloggers AIBU etc. smile

Tee2072 Tue 18-Sep-12 16:36:58

This will get me vilified by certain people on MN, but this is where having signatures for posts is really handy.

If HQ allowed sigs, we could put our blog links in them. Yes, it's self promotion, but if * everyone* could do it...

But the boards would implode if it was even suggested as that way lies tickers and sparkly shit.


MmeGuillotine Tue 18-Sep-12 16:52:27

Oh yes, down with tickers and sparkly shit but it's possible to do it tastefully. I don't think such a change would go down well with a lot of people though! ;)

MmeLindor Tue 18-Sep-12 17:57:13

That is blasphemy. I am sure MmeG knows of a suitable historical punishment for such a transgression.

I actually like that MN Bloggers are very diverse and not just parenting blogs - it is a reflection of the website.

flubba Tue 18-Sep-12 18:24:34

But maybe then it might make more sense to have topic areas within the bloggers' forum (for example arts & crafts, parenting, literature, food, X, Y and Z too [sorry, too tired to think of more examples]) so that people can post in areas that relate directly to their own blogs and read within the areas that interest them. I think that would help reduce the post-and-run types?

DebonaireDad Tue 18-Sep-12 18:31:14

Hi Mme, thanks for the reply - I wasn't suggesting that MN bloggers only be about parenting, I was just asking the question to see what others thought - I guess it also comes back to the main question, not just "what is the bloggers forum for?", but what is the whole MN Bloggers section for in its entirety?

As someone else has already posted, Net Mums seems to be much clearer about what it is trying to achieve with its blogging activities - it's clearly a commercial aim and to drive more traffic to their own site, and they are forthright in how they will promote your blog - I'm not sure that they have much of a community around it though, unlike here.

Personally, I quite like flicking through the blog listings here to see what other people are up to whether it be parenting or otherwise.

Tee2072 Tue 18-Sep-12 19:27:57

I know! Can't believe I said it! ::awaits punishment::

I do think MNHQ needs to think more about what they are exactly trying to accomplish. It feels a bit like they jumped on the Blogging Bandwagon without having a plan other than to sign up as many bloggers as possible.

MmeLindor Tue 18-Sep-12 20:50:18

Hmm. I posted earlier but something went wrong. I have internet gremlins tonight.

Yes, I agree that we need a bit more focus. I like the Netmums's layout with the big square grid - it encourages browsing more than a list, I think.

It is a bit tricky with sorting blogs into categories, as some of us don't really fit in one box.

QueenMaeve Tue 18-Sep-12 23:10:42

I have linked a few times to a thread when it was relevant.(crafts etc) Everyone was appreciative of the input.

QueenMaeve Tue 18-Sep-12 23:12:55

But yes as mme L said, a more visual link to blogs. The network only shows most recent 10 posts. I rarely click beyond 1st or 2nd page.

WomanlyWoman Wed 19-Sep-12 13:30:19

I'd agree about the links to blogs. The alphabetical order thing doesn't do me any favours either smile I agree about the points made on categories too, I'm in books, but might fit more into feminism.

I've actually only just found this area, interesting discussion. I'm something of an irregular poster on MN, been around for years but just don't have the time to get too involved with the forums. My blog is only a few months old and I joined the bloggers network with a vague idea that it might help with promotion, but I didn't go looking, it just came up when I was having a nose around one MN day. I don't think I'm either a blogger who visits MN or a mumsnetter who blogs, I'm both.

I noticed a couple of clicks on my blog recently came from here, but I wasn't actually aware I was in the network until then. I remembered applying to join, but then don't recall hearing anything until I noticed the clicks. It does seem there needs to be a bit more focus on what this area is for. I was really pleased to find it, but am wondering now how helpful it will be.

I'd be interested in using it to promote my blog yes, but also to connect with likeminded bloggers and find out about anything interesting going on.

valiumpoptarts Wed 19-Sep-12 13:39:14

Hi, I had a quick read of this yesterday and then spent a lot of last night thinking about it when I was supossed to be working Other blog networks out there are more helpful than mn in terms of tutorials, Rt'ing on twitter etc but I still prefer mumsnet. As a mumsnetter who blogs the majority of good blogs that I read are those that I've found through the dump and run section. Interesting blogs (not just look at my lovely child, although arguably I'm prone to that myself) and people that actually I wouldn't mind going out for a drink with in RL. Other networks may be a bit more helpful but are very comercially focussed, yes you won't really get offered product reviews or paid reviews through mn but then they also won't try and start awful twitter parties to promote rubbish brands either (ponders a pombear twitter party) Other than the dump and run I do find it hard to find blogs through here though? The directory is massive. Also loving the idea of a bloggers AIBU grin

MmeLindor Wed 19-Sep-12 21:25:12

That is interesting - I occasionally look through the Dump and Run thread (maybe we should call it that - might get more people looking!) but find most of my blogs via Twitter or FB.

I agree with you about the promotions. I know MN are doing some of them, but not as many as other blogger networks. I read a comment recently from a blogger who was rejected from MN BN cause her blog had too many reviews.

Funnily enough, I have never been approached by a PR company wanting to do any kind of promotion on my blog. Getting a lot of offers to improve SEO at the moment for some reason.

Stitchthis Thu 20-Sep-12 08:29:35

I never find blogs thru the dump and run. In fact I never read it. I find the techy questions useful but I do question the nature of this section tbh. I find it a bit clique-ish and I sympathise with the non blogging majority of MN who are completely quite disparaging of the whole she-bang. Apart from these limits however, theres also a core of experienced, helpful and very knowledgable ladies who are very generous with their time and advice. without that core the network falls apart. Which begs the question what support can MN provide to bolster and build on this core? I would have a section called blogging (not bloggers) and then have techy, dump and run, AIBU (yes!!) and business related sections. I wouldn't have loads of sections as others have already said.

Re the comments as to numbers of bloggers I am divided. While my liberal half thinks the more the merrier my commercial/elitist self questions whether you risk devaluing a prize brand? But then I think MN may have already done that by hooking up with so so many companies, sponsors, products already. MN is a brilliant brand, MNTowers should be confident enough to use it to their advantage rather than others'. Be stronger.

I'd love to get The Leadership in a room and rework/review their business strategy as it seems to lack focus IMHO ( I'd do it for free I'm so frustrated by it)

But I digress. I often do wink. Thanks for starting this one dilly. Nice one.

Stitchthis Thu 20-Sep-12 17:07:06

Was I too stroppy ?!

MmeGuillotine Thu 20-Sep-12 17:27:39

Not at all, Stitch. I think it's obvious that however occasionally mystifying we find this part of Mumsnet, we all care about it and want it to be both informative and a cool place to hang out. smile

Stitchthis Thu 20-Sep-12 17:38:44

Oh yes. Not being snarky. I'm serious about the strategy tho. I'd love to examine that!

Alreethinny Thu 20-Sep-12 18:10:32

The bloggers section isn't very interactive. I found it really useful for advice in the beginning, I'm a Mumsnetter who turned into a blogger. I do look at blogs via the dump and run, but when I post a link there, I feel I have to curb the urge to chat and just self promote, which goes against my real Mnet personality, which can chunter on for ages.
Yet if you post a chatty thread, you don't get many responses.

I changed my name and now have Alreet for blogging and a separate identity for the rest of mumsnet, I can understand that some people might not want to be connected via their blog to their Mn name, so would have to join me in the split personality club, if blogs are to be promoted in the rest of Mnet.

Even though parts of Mnet are quite anti blogging, perhaps they could be persuaded to come over to the darkside, have a blogging month, trial linking blogs to subjects connected to other parts of the board. As someone has already mentioned arts and crafts would be quite easy, they don't appear hostile to the idea of new information sources.

Maybe as bloggers here, we need to make it what we want it to be. It's already a supportive place, so maybe we need to make the effort to be more chatty here as well.
Well I'm off to think of my first bloggers AIBU and do a blog post about 'Leaving the bastard', so that I can link it in, as soon as someone uses the phrase here.grin

DillyTante Thu 20-Sep-12 19:44:13

Yes we can collar them for a strategy meeting at BlogFest! I'll do the icebreaker and bring big sheets of paper, stitchthis, you bring pens & post its grin. Key phrases to be used are "in that space" "blue sky thinking" and my absolute worst favourite "disbenefits" Or is it just my work that does it like that.

MmeLindor Thu 20-Sep-12 20:53:45

Can it be a strategy breakfast with bacon rolls and champagne?

We need lots of words like 'synergise' and 'breakthrough strategy'.

There are a few of us whinging making the suggestion that we need to chat rather than dump and run so perhaps starting a new chat thread would be a good start.

Stitchthis Thu 20-Sep-12 21:09:35

I think you'll find it's a workshop with the key stakeholders where we discuss the art of the possible.

Bilingual, me. grin

MmeGuillotine Thu 20-Sep-12 21:37:43

What we need is some "does quote marks in the air" BLUE SKY THINKING "end air quote marks"

Stitchthis Thu 20-Sep-12 21:55:31

You jest but I've been known to do this...

Stitchthis Thu 20-Sep-12 21:56:45

Oh dear. My name is stitch this and I am a < shudder> consultant. blush

DillyTante Thu 20-Sep-12 22:11:23

My name is DillyTante and I am a Civil Servant <hangs self in shame>

This is my life. Today I was creating a matrix. I felt the discussion was too bottom up and needed to be top down. I recommended that we think about the end state.

MmeLindor Thu 20-Sep-12 23:02:04

Now you are scaring me.

DillyTante Thu 27-Sep-12 19:35:34

Bumping for any more thoughts.

Tee2072 Thu 27-Sep-12 19:46:11

I forgot about this brain is like a sieve...

Anyway, wish I could be at BlogFest or whatever it's called. I was going to seriously suggest a sit down so we could all throw some ideas out and see what sticks on the direction of the network.

But, alas, her plate is so full the mashed potatoes are falling off and she won't be able to make it.

::Tee impresses herself that she can still play even though she hasn't sat in a meeting in 3 years::


KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 27-Sep-12 22:16:58

We're here to say that we're in listening mode - we want to end silo-thinking, and we'll be workshopping all your suggestions. Thanks for gifting us with those grin.

Seriously - brilliant thread. We'll go through it and try and work out what might be workable, then put our ideas out for your feedback. Might be after BlogFest though - lots going on!

On which note, if you're thinking of coming, don't forget that the early bird offer ends on Sunday at midnight.

DebonaireDad Thu 27-Sep-12 23:26:52

this isn't the most insightful post, but as someone (I think it was dilly) posted recently, there seem to be more and more posts that have nothing to do with blogging on here that should be on the main boards - I'm guessing it's because people just got lost and posted in the wrong place, but perhaps it highlights an issue on communicating what this blogging section is about. Or maybe its not important and doesn't really bother anyone else.

Tee2072 Fri 28-Sep-12 06:01:06

Bothers me a lot Debonaire. I always report such posts to MNHQ and lament the poor, abused bloggers board when I do.


CollectorOfCookbooks Fri 28-Sep-12 10:17:54

Been away hence my silence on this subject, but it's a great subject for a thread and for a discussion. Sorry I'm late to the party on this one.

MN encouraged me to blog, and to enter the forum in the first place, so I'm an MN'er who became a blogger. I do feel protective towards other bloggers I've met through this forum, rightly or wrongly. And I also report others who post in this section when they should be in Chat, Relationships etc.

I worry that one of the problems is that the network has almost become too big and the quality of the blogs has dipped as a result. But I don't know how you solve that without becoming a lot more selective about the blogs you have within the network.

I haven't found a huge difference in stats through the promotion by MN, but what I have found is some blogger friends and it's the community feel I like. Much like the rest of MN.

Please no tickers and sparkly shit grin but what about up on the bit where it says 'add message / report / message poster' would a 'read blog' button help?

But then I'd have to change my identity again and I've only just gotten over doing that the last time.

I can't make the BlogFest sadly but I'll bet there could be a great discussion on this.

Stitchthis Fri 28-Sep-12 21:46:24

Like the idea of a blog button. Elegant.

You could put a card with 2 or 3 questions for discussion on the lunch tables. It will give everyone something to talk about at worst. Then get answers back from each table. We Do it at work quite often and it seems to be an effective way of getting feedback while encouraging networking

MmeLindor Mon 01-Oct-12 10:04:31

Even a direct link to our blogs on our profiles would help.

I think it's just a bit slow - this section I mean. Everywhere else everyone is gassing away whereas this bit if like Mumsnet 2002. I was there then - you'd post, wander off, do some housework, prepare lunch then log back on and be pleased if someone had replied to you in that time.

2under2blog Wed 10-Oct-12 11:26:33

I personally love this section and have been using it more and more. I've received some brilliant help and lots of feedback so I'm trying to put some back in.

I love looking at other people's blogs and have had some great ideas from them.

But I am guilty of not exploring the rest of MN enough - something I promise to rectify!

MmeLindor Wed 10-Oct-12 12:45:06

That is a funny thought - I wasn't here as early as that, but have noticed recently that active convos moves a lot faster than it used to. Even at night.

I was wondering about us bloggers getting our own wee ticker kind of thing - I have noticed some bloggers are doing this anyway, but if it were possible to allow a blog link at the end of our posts in the blogger section, that would help a lot.


With our logo would be fab, but even a text link would be great.

DillyTante Tue 08-Jan-13 22:00:29

Now Blogfest is over can I reinstate this thread & the questions raised?

Tee2072 Fri 11-Jan-13 20:59:15

I just noticed you bumped the thread Dilly.

Did any of this get discussed at Blogfest?

DillyTante Fri 11-Jan-13 21:28:19

No sadly. Hey MNHQ want to get us along for a focus group? grin

Tee2072 Sat 12-Jan-13 07:25:40


MmeLindor Sat 12-Jan-13 10:07:04

Would be interested in this too

costumequeen Sat 12-Jan-13 10:17:30

As a new blogger/mn blogger but 'normal' mnetter for a while (although I don't post too often) I'm finding this thread interesting. I have implemented much of the advice I have found on this bloggers board, have had a couple of comments from other friendly bloggers here grin and generally don't feel quite so lonely when I know at least 2 of you have read my very new blog! I do read some of the posts in dump and run and I'm fairly sure others have read mine through it too. That said I rarely use the bloggers network page abd rarely see posts on twitter via mnbloggers either. MN has been a friendly way to get advice, meet new bloggers and get a bit of exposure for my blog so as far as this newbie is concerned, it's no bad thing. (Incidentally I had the blog before I joined the network.) I agree that a blog thread in certain sections (like Arts and Crafts) could work as it's so geared towards visual inspiration, but then I've never noticed any anti blog feeling on the boards that I read anyway. That's my two penneth worth wink

peekyboo Sat 12-Jan-13 13:15:48

I didn't know this thread existed until today! Must admit to being confused about the purpose of the board at first, as I used to think it was only for bloggers to post on, then realised it was for anyone but that MN didn't want outside links.
So many other forums allow sigs, why not MN? It's easy to prevent animated sigs, I can't see the problem with it. As the boards are heavily moderated compared to other sites, you shouldn't have many problems with people abusing the service.
And it is 2013 you know!
Personally, I think if MN has moved onto the stage of having ads floating about when you visit their pages, then MSnetters, bloggers or non-bloggers, should be able to have a little signature.

Tee2072 Sat 12-Jan-13 21:05:19

The boards aren't actually moderated at all, peeky. Nothing gets removed or edited or posters warned unless another poster reports the thread/post.

And I don't think we need sigs. Just let us put links to our blogs anywhere on the threads, especially if asked for.

Now that Local allows anyone to have a free advert, what's the difference, really?

peekyboo Sat 12-Jan-13 21:50:47

I didn't realise they weren't moderated! I guess the members must do a steadfast job of self-moderation then as there doesn't seem to be much of the trolling that you see on other sites.

peekyboo Sat 12-Jan-13 21:51:45

PS I really liked the idea of having a little blog button next to a member's name but perhaps this could just be a link button instead, to cover people who had a website rather than a blog or, like one of mine, a combination of the two.

MmeLindor Sat 12-Jan-13 23:22:19

I made the suggestion that we could have a opt-in signature on the Bloggers Network Forum - so that our blogs would be posted here but not on the main boards.

Tee2072 Sun 13-Jan-13 08:06:05

I think I remember that, MmeL. And it's a good idea.

But I do think they need to look at their rules about posting links to blogs on the main boards as well. I think it's silly that you can't link to your blog even if someone specifically asks to see it.

MmeLindor Sun 13-Jan-13 10:47:22

I can see their point though. Cause it would be easy to abuse that - I would hang out on pre teens topic and casually mention Jump! Mag every so often till someone asked to see it.

It would depend on the restraint of the bloggers not to take advantage of it.

Tee2072 Sun 13-Jan-13 11:45:37

See? This is why we can't have nice things. grin

MmeGuillotine Sun 13-Jan-13 16:25:57

I think there's an obvious difference between someone linking to their blog because it is relevant (for example, someone asked about publishing for Kindle on the Creative Writing bit and I had to rather coyly give them a search term to find my pieces about this rather than just giving them the bloody link!) and someone else basically just spamming for the sake of it.

We're all adults here - can we not be trusted to tell the difference and self police ourselves?

Tee2072 Sun 13-Jan-13 18:22:32

Exactly, MmeG.

If the site is self-moderated, then let us self-moderate!

MmeLindor Sun 13-Jan-13 18:27:50

Yy I agree with that. But MNHQ would have to make it clear to both bloggers and non bloggers

MmeGuillotine Sun 13-Jan-13 19:15:28

It's a revolution! waves pitchfork sits astride a cannon

Wasn't there a thread recently when one of the bloggers was posting links to their blog at the end of their every post apropos of, well, nothing really and other people from here gently and tactfully told them that this wasn't The Done Thing? No one died and it all ended well - I don't think any of us objects to keeping a casual eye on things and stepping in if a newbie, for example, doesn't stick to the rules.

Tee2072 Sun 13-Jan-13 20:10:07

MmeG step away from the French Revolution...slowly...that's a good girl. grin

MmeGuillotine Sun 13-Jan-13 20:24:31


FlipFantasia Tue 15-Jan-13 03:03:24

What a great thread!

I'm a MNer who started blogging and created a separate persona to do so (I used to post on the bloggers forum as lowimpactmama)...but I found I just couldn't be arsed with two different MN names and that I didn't mind if my MN friends found my blog (since I'm friends with so many of them on FB anyway!).

I agree that this bit of MN is quite quiet now compared to when I started blogging - I rarely dip into this bit anymore though I do like seeing threads like this (there are so many great bloggers on here!).

MmeGuillotine I saw your coy hints on that thread in Creative Writing and it did make me groan about the no links to blogs on the main boards - it's such a "Proper MN" and *Bloggers Backwater" distinction!

Anyway, I shall watch with interest whether MN make any useful changes to the bloggers network!

MmeGuillotine Tue 15-Jan-13 12:58:51

Flip, I know, right? It was pretty embarrassing!

MmeGuillotine Tue 15-Jan-13 13:04:06

Hit 'post' too early there!

What I meant to say is that it was pretty embarrassing and also more than a little shamefaced when it really didn't need to be. There's far too many people on Mumsnet who think 'blogs' are basically just tiresome accounts of everyday domestic doings and don't realise that actually that's really not the case AT ALL and is actually a quite old fashioned way of looking at it.

To be frank, I'm beginning to feel uneasy being part of a blogger's network on a site where we are apparently encouraged to feel a bit embarrassed about our blogs. I'm actually really proud of mine and know that it's respected all over the globe so this sneaking about and being scared to mention it even if it is COMPLETELY RELEVANT just in case someone takes offensive is starting to piss me off a bit.

MmeLindor Tue 15-Jan-13 15:12:19

Good point, MmeG but could you put the pitchfork down while we are chatting.

All this LesMis stuff is going to your head.

Been meaning to ask you about that. What is the historian's take on it?

MmeGuillotine Tue 15-Jan-13 15:46:11

I'm not a fan of Les Mis. Wrong French Revolution plus I hate musicals.

I'll hide this thread now, I think.

MmeLindor Tue 15-Jan-13 15:48:32

Was that because of my comment? Was an attempt at humour, sorry.

I agree with you that we need more support from MNHQ on our position outwith the BN. I hope that they come back to this thread.

Tee2072 Tue 15-Jan-13 18:23:12

Yes, that's it exactly. Almost like we're some dirty little secret of MN.

I hope you didn't really hide the thread MmeG. I think your opinion is worth a lot here.

Stitchthis Sat 19-Jan-13 08:26:20

Hi guys. I read this latest exchange with (self) interest...I quite often include Links to my blog on the arts and crafts threads And have never been reprimanded. Mind you, it's always relevant to an ongoing thread.

I agree with Mme guillotine. I normally do. She had every right to be proud of her blog, As we all do. This area is good for the Mechanics behind the blog eg code, widgets, marketing. Less so for content. But that's ok by me. I do my own content!

I've been thinking about what this blogging malarky has done for's changed my life. I have changed my RL career and won jobs as a result and got all creative again. Why would I be ashamed of my blog if it delivered that?! Exactly. Up the revolution grin

MmeGuillotine Sat 19-Jan-13 15:02:16

I'm back. I left because I, wrongly, took MmeL's post as a warning that I was speaking out of turn and I didn't want to derail the thread or get us all into trouble or something. smile

I'm not sure that Mumsnet want us to be ashamed of our blogs but this rule about not mentioning them elsewhere isn't exactly encouraging us to be proud of them either or to think of them as being an actual valid contribution. It does make it seem like they're going along with the completely erroneous assumption that we're all over here wittering on about potty training or scavenging for freebies from companies so what we're saying can never actually be helpful or relevant. That's not right.

peekyboo Mon 21-Jan-13 12:29:39

No, and even if we do some wittering occasionally, it's because our blogs are like us - individual, different every day, hoping to connect with people. Compare that to glossy, manufactured articles available online, written to order and angled more for SEO than the readers who find them. Blogs win every time in my opinion.

MmeGuillotine Mon 21-Jan-13 12:31:50

Yes, there's nothing wrong with wittering but there is SO MUCH MORE to us than that. smile

Luce808 Mon 21-Jan-13 16:04:29

I'm proud of my blog too, and I get a bit frustrated at times that there's a bit of an 'us and them' set-up. It either feels like a bit of an afterthought, or an add-on without the resource given to really make it a valuable place to be.

Tee2072 Tue 22-Jan-13 12:15:28

Glad you came back MmeG. grin

I do think we could do a lot on the general message boards to expel the 'Blogs are so boring, why would anyone write/read one' myth that is bandied about.

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 24-Jan-13 16:59:52

Apols for radio silence - we are listening, though, and mulling what we can best do to address your points. We think we're on the right track, but there's a bit of ironing out to do - if you can just bear with us, we'll let you know shortly how we plan to improve things all round.

MmeG So sorry to hear you think MNHQ feels like that - I promise you that's not the case at all.

Tee2072 I think tackling those who <ahem> underestimate blogs (and bloggers) on the Talk boards is a great idea.

Tee2072 Fri 25-Jan-13 17:31:45

Excellent Kate. You always were my favourite!

So...we can link to our blogs on the main boards? [hopeful emoticon] Soon? grin

Luce808 Mon 28-Jan-13 13:51:04

My most recent blog post was featured over the weekend (thank you Mumsnet!) but I noticed that it generated very little extra traffic as a result. Of all the people coming to my blog, the most came via Twitter or blogs that I follow. So I wonder what advantage (if any) there is to being either on the bloggers network or featured, in terms of traffic generated. I loved being featured, and I feel very proud of the fact that I was, but if I was just looking for extra readers, the bloggers network doesn't necessarily supply that.

So I suppose my question is (in relation to this discussion), what does this section offer bloggers that is over and above just posting on Mumsnet?

MmeGuillotine Tue 29-Jan-13 13:21:15

Sorry Kate! I don't feel like that all the time (in fact most of the time I'm really happy to be here) but I felt like a complete tool the other day when I was trying to ineptly direct someone to one of my blog posts about self publishing without actually giving the URL. ;)

Craftsonsea Thu 31-Jan-13 09:34:22

Ok, so I'm going to turn this on it's head and say what as bloggers are we doing to make this into a good network? I'm on a few networks and I can honestly say that the blogs I find through here are the ones I like best, BUT it's also the network that seems to be the slowest in terms of what's happening on the threads etc. When I first started blogging I found it harder to get my first 10 followers on twitter than my first 100 so things like the 'lets all follow each other' on Britmums were a lifesaver to keep me going when I wasn't sure if blogging was for me. No one wants followers for the sake of stats, we all want to engage with people and blogs that we find interesting but on the other hand we all could do with getting our stuff out there a bit more and as we can't / don't link to our blogs other than dump and run that's really hard. I would like to read the blogs of a few people on this thread but I don't know what they are! Anyway, I'm going to start an Introduce Yourself style thread as the proper mn blog list is too big for me. I figure that way if some of you add your details I can actually find some more blogs that I'll like!

MmeLindor Thu 31-Jan-13 09:37:27

Good point, Craftonsea. I do the dump and run thread but I don't like it really.

We had a chat thread for a while but it seems to have died.

Craftsonsea Thu 31-Jan-13 10:04:00

Yeah, I'm not sure what the best way to do this is, but I tweeted last night about a craft event I'm looking to run in Southend and suddenly found 4 brilliant local bloggers that I didn't know existed. Just figure as much as I want mumsnet to Do Stuff To Help Us we also need to try and do the stuff ourselves.

MmeGuillotine Thu 31-Jan-13 10:22:23

I used to live in Southend. smile

I don't actually expect this network to boost my page views or anything like that - I'd just like it to be a nice place to chat and hang out with other bloggers.

What we really need are some really meaty topics to chat about on here - at the moment it feels like most of the new posts in this bit are from non bloggers who have ended up here by accident and want to know if we think they might be pregnant etc. (How do they manage that by the way? It's rather perplexing.)

Considering how many members the Mumsnet blogging network has, it feels like maybe 99% don't actually contribute anything to it. Perhaps we should be looking at ways to turn that around? Maybe by involving people a bit more.

Craftsonsea Thu 31-Jan-13 12:01:17

Before I carry on with the sensible stuff, ARGH! MmeG have just realised that I think you know my brother!!! Friend Mel Wilde introduced me to your blog saying my brother introduced her to it. Didn't realise you actually lived here, presumed this was an internet thing. By all accounts, mumsnet is a small world grin Anyway, yeah, I think we need more meaty stuff too. Bit lost on actual ideas though...

MmeGuillotine Thu 31-Jan-13 12:27:24

Wow, I think I need to know who your brother is! I 'met' Mrs Wilde on Live Journal many many moons ago but can't remember how. It was after I'd moved away from Southend though (I grew up in Colchester so am a not so secret Essex Girl) Wait, you don't have two brothers with the surname W do you?! <looks faintly terrified>

Craftsonsea Thu 31-Jan-13 14:01:11

No not me! It's Lee Brown though could have been Arty Smokes if on Live Journal. Did you used to go to the SunRooms? Coulda been there too. (Apologies for hijacking the thread!)

MmeLindor Thu 31-Jan-13 14:07:03

I think that's what MNHQ are trying to do by having discussions on news articles on Bloggers network.

I've joined in a few times if I've something to say on the subject.

I guess that the problem is that the MNetters who are bloggers are v diverse so not much scope for hooking up -those I like to chat to such as MmeG, Stitch, Dilly and pavlov often blog about topics that aren't really of great interest to me personally.

I'm not a crafter or a historian, and while there are sometimes posts that I enjoy - like MmeG's 'what would Hilary mantel do' or Dilly's Twitter post - I don't think we could work together on a blog hop very often, for example.

Sorry, this is a bit of a ramble. Am on phone cause kids at home with lurgy and keep getting interrupted.

MmeGuillotine Thu 31-Jan-13 14:21:49

Craft, oh, yes, Lee. We er don't get on. ;)

I used to go to the Sun Rooms all the time when I lived in Westcliff! I really liked living in Southend - it gets slagged off quite a bit but I thought it was a great place to live. :D

MmeGuillotine Thu 31-Jan-13 17:03:25

I don't join in with the current affairs discussions on here as I don't read or watch anything to do with the news so don't have any thing to say really. I'd join in if we had more general discussions though, not just about history or whatever! smile

I think the diversity here is both a strength and a weakness in that we get to see all sorts of different blogs and learn from different types of bloggers but at the same time there's no cohesive identity to hang blog hops, campaigns etc on or at least not in a way that would involve pretty much everyone here.

It would be nice if we could have a more chatty ambience here but if one of us had something to say we'd post it on the actual Chat section I expect as it gets a higher traffic. It's a bit of a vicious circle really.

Maybe what we could do is a group of us get together and kick start things by starting regular threads about the interesting topics that we really want to talk about - for instance everyone loves chatting about trolls or we could share our shameful first ever blog posts (or maybe not - eek) or SOMETHING, I dunno.

Or just share day to day triumphs and disasters on our blogs - right now we are encouraged to post our latest post and then run off but there seems to be a general frowning on starting a whole new post to talk about something related to your blog (well, that's how it seems to me anyway) but how about we get over that and try to post a bit more generally about how things are going?

MmeLindor Thu 31-Jan-13 17:48:27

Yes, I like that idea, Mme.

I guess it's up to us to utilize the network

MmeGuillotine Thu 31-Jan-13 20:41:20

Some of us should form a quiche and put our heads together to coordinate so that we spread the topics out a bit. wink

MmeLindor Thu 31-Jan-13 20:42:36

Maybe we could start by thinking of a couple of topics that we could share.

Craftsonsea Mon 04-Feb-13 19:54:15

I like that idea too smile no idea what the topics should be but I like the idea of it grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 05-Feb-13 07:46:04

Hello. I used to pretty much only hang out on the bloggers' section but have only just started looking through the threads on this section today and this one has been gong on since SEPTEMBER and I hadn't picked up on it blush

I used to really enjoy the weekly thread about posts, we chatted too, but now it is very much post and run and I have fewer and fewer hits from that thread, whereas it used to be a significant source of hits back when we'd all chat on there.

I thought there would be some kind of visible difference after the Blog event in November, but it seems to have gone quiet again. I think the blog prompts are a good idea - I have used them from time to time but not becessarily linked to them on the thread.

My blog was put on a bit of a break the last few months but I am coming back to it now, and of course going back to reading others. I'd love to join in with whatever you come up with.

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