The Paul McKenna Thread Number 12. A Simple Title, for Simple Weight Loss and All amongst Friends!!

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Solo Sun 19-May-13 11:04:03

Welcome to thread 12 of the Paul McKenna's I Can Make You Thin weight loss system.

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system are:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. After all, eating a meal is not a competition, it's about enjoying what you are putting in your mouth, but not feeling bloated and uncomfortable (or guilty) afterwards!
Many people have issues around food. Many of us have been brought up by the 'clear your plate' parents of yesteryear which leave us feeling guilty if we leave even the smallest morsel of food, but we are working through this guilt or any other hang up we may have, and we are learning to leave a bit on the plate; return to it another time if we really want to or even feed it to the dog or the bin!
So!! forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!! Let's get lighter for those summer clothes!

The Paul McKenna system really works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

You don't have to buy the book and CD, but we have found that they do help and somehow they keep you on track, so it would probably be a good investment and will cost you far less than a couple of trips to WW or SW meetings, so do consider having them in your life.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry ~ NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today and make 2013 your year to drop a dress size or several...if we can get into a smaller size for summer, just think how we could look for next Christmas!

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 19-May-13 11:56:13

Marking my spot.

Luffly new thread! Inspiring thoughts for the rest of the year!

I took Faithlet out for a walk in her pram yesterday and walked 3.57k round the village. My legs ache today but I feel good for it, my plan is to go walking a few days a week and eventually build up to running.

Solo Sun 19-May-13 13:10:42

Well done HALF smile I'm walking miles each day at work now, but I'm eating more because of it sad

Vivacia Sun 19-May-13 14:31:40

Does anyone else have friends or family following a different weight-loss plan and find they talk a lot about the food they miss and wish they could eat? I think that this is why Paul McKenna works for me. I eat what I'm craving and then I'm not obsessing about it for the next three days, let alone end up binging on it.

ppeatfruit Sun 19-May-13 17:17:33

HOORAY AND THANKS FOR THE NEW THREAD Sols They seem to keep coming with monotonous regularity don't dey!!! Sorry sad you're feeling crap.

WELCOME Vivacia grin nice to hear from you I'm sure it'll take no time for you to get back into pauling again! The problem with dh is that he KNOWS I've lost nearly 3 stone on this and he has 6 stone to lose but he can't do the P.M. properly (I wish it was directed at men as well) and keeps starting and stopping all types the 5:2 the Hay diet etc. (not stupid Cambridge Diets or WW or SW ones thank goodness) So he just gets fatter sad.

AAAH bless little Faith\Abby\Paulette !! Well done on your walk HaveA.
Love to everyone!!XXXX I know I shouldn't do kisses like on txts but I feel happy today !!

Rulesgirl Sun 19-May-13 19:46:23

Hi Ladies, well done on the long walk with the pram Hada you will soon be running.
Solo sorry your feeling rubbish. Do you use an iphone? Just that my kids have them and can use them anywhere as they have 3g. Not that I know much about phones. Just thought, then you could keep in touch more as it has a much better personal wi fi hotspot

QueenOfHalloween Sun 19-May-13 21:41:30

Woohoo new thread and i'm on page 1! Thank you Solo

Hi Vivacia Keep fighting that urge to sneak at a look at your weight. I wish i had done but i'm just so used to weighing in once a week that i couldn't resist. I have no willpower what so ever! We're always following some sort of different diet in this house. Before this it was SW. My Mum has now decided to cut back on some carbs to see if that helps. She was doing 5:2. She had a decent loss in the first week but gained in the 2nd so decided it wasn't working. Personally i think she needs to give it longer as i've read that can happen with some people doing 5:2 plus its the health benefits that are the real bonus. I'm always interested in anything that can help ward off illnesses like Alzheimers and dementia. Especially since we have a family history of it. I've mentioned Pauling but she hasn't really taken an interest so far.

I've gotten out of the habit of listening to the CD this last week. I just keep forgetting. Must make a mental note or better yet set a reminder up on my phone.

I am however having so much fun with my new juicer. I've discovered that an orange, apple, 1/2 lemon, few strawberries, 2 carrots, handful of Kale and 2 sticks of celery make a pint of juice and it actually tastes really nice. Which is a bonus given that i can't stand carrots, kale or celery! Woohoo. Going to try adding broccoli and see what happens. My partner worked out that each pint came to 259 calories but i did point out to him that he's worked out the calories just using the whole fruits and not taken into consideration the fact that you don't get an entire fruit in the juice. A lot of stuff ends up in the bin section of the juicer so i think its a lot less than that. Looking forward to trying out some different recipes and trying to incorporate some more fiber rich veggies. I wonder how long juices will last if you place them in an airtight container??? Anyway hope everyone is good.

veryberrybug Sun 19-May-13 23:27:13

hello new-thread-dwellers!

glad you found your way over here too vivacia yes i've got a friend doing scottish slimmers (i think) & she's talking about how many checks something is which she was picking at, finding a healthier alternative but she's still picking at wee sweet things out of boredom i think. she still longs for the haribo she was having before.

glad you're enjoying juicer queen

pp when doing the tum exercise, if i slightly raise my legs too will that help tone (& tuck in!) my lower tum? the bit where the little pot is!

i seem to be getting a bit absent-minded about the eating again as i've realised a little too late i'm a bit fuller than i'd like... also finding i feel suddenly very very hungry like it's crept up on me & i then want to eat faster as i'm soo hungry, it's a real effort to slow down. must listen to CD more i think. any tips on keeping the focus there?

just out of interest, being a new MNer, why do a new thread?

Rulesgirl Mon 20-May-13 00:46:52

Very I think its a new thread because you can only have so many pages on a thread anyway (correct me if Im wrong ladies) and also it re motivates us as it has a different title and sometimes a different little beginning from Solo. And...it might catch the eye of some other lost dieter who needs to follow the light....he he!!
Hows the house guest doing pp?
Queen and Very..I have started listening to the cd again each day as I was only doing it every couple of weeks and I find it reboots me if you know what I mean. I havnt eaten much today or yesterday except when really hungry. I think it works better if you have that daily dose of motivation from Paul. smile

HadALittleFaithBaby Mon 20-May-13 06:37:43

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Morning all! Welcome to Vivacia, good to have you on board.

solo I hope you're feeling a little better this morning.

Vivacia Mon 20-May-13 07:57:19

For me, listening to the trance daily is the thing that I find hardest but makes the biggest difference.

Little things I've found myself doing is starting off with a portion half, or two thirds, the size I'd normally start off with, 'cos I know I'll leave too much otherwise.

Also, if I realise I'm mooching to the kitchen looking to graze because I'm bored I decide to leave it for half an hour and then I'll have something. Half an hour is about right for the feeling to subside and to find something else to do instead!

ppeatfruit Mon 20-May-13 10:44:24

Morning everyone! grin the house guest is fine thanks Rules; he likes his cosy bed (its cold and very rainy here) sad. Problem is we're eating out quite a bit so I have to be careful grin! otherwise i won't be a size 10 for the wedding grin.

I find the muffin buster exercise does flatten my tum. (i do also do some acupressure exes to help that area 'cos I'm an apple shape) it might help if you lift them slightly try it!! When I put my legs right up it flattens the under boob roll of fat !! veryberry

Queen I put fresh squeezed lemon juice or half the whole lemon in my smoothies and juices, that keeps them fresh in the fridge for a few hours anyway!

veryberrybug Mon 20-May-13 12:22:26

thankyou one & all for your words of advice, yes it's definitely time for a bit of rebooting action in my department! biscuit
queen that's a great idea about putting a reminder on your phone, i think i'll do that on wednesday when kids are back at school. i used to have an alarm set on my watch for 5minutes before i'd to go & collect them, just to remind me to down tools & breathe! it worked but i must've switched it off in one of those "i don't have time to breathe just now" moments!
pp heehee i'll remember that under boob roll grin i too am an apple shape, but hoping to be more of an apple core shape (you know the cartoon ones which go in at the middle?!)

i ate my breakfast with my eyes shut today, blimey i tasted it more than ever before! usually i think i've not overeaten at breakfast purely because i didn't have time to!
do they repeat the telly programs sometimes? i thought that might help with the motivation but DVDs cost £42 <eep> & nuffin on youtube sad

QueenOfHalloween Mon 20-May-13 19:13:46

Wow £42 is a massive amount of money Very! Have you checked ebay to see if you can get them cheaper.

PP There's an entire lemon in my juice and just because i'm fairly lazy i was hoping to do 2 days worth of juice rather than to juice everyday but i've been reading online and most people don't recommend that. Which is a shame. The juicer takes quite a while to clean afterwards so was hoping to avoid having to do that everyday. And there's no way i could juice before i went to work as i just leave to early and the thing is fairly noisy and would wake everyone in the house up!

Vivacia Mon 20-May-13 19:39:06

I guess it's not recommended as fruit and veggies tend to oxidate and go brown if left out. Could you try popping it in the freezer on day 1 and then taking out of the freezer before bed so it's ready for day 2?

QueenOfHalloween Mon 20-May-13 23:21:56

Thanks Vivacia I'll give that a try grin

Rulesgirl Mon 20-May-13 23:23:41

Hi Ladies.
pp you know you mentioned an exercise regarding bingo wings....what is it please. I do weights triceps and biceps but is there any way to get rid of that flabby skin that you only get as you get older. I have always had skinny toned arms but since hitting my late 40s I notice that there is a definite shake when I wave.
Is it just cause im carrying a stone and a half in excess weight?
Will it go when I lose the weight? What are yours like now you have achieved your desired weight? Questions questions questions.
Just went to see Star Trek . It was brilliant.smile

Rulesgirl Mon 20-May-13 23:39:00

By the way, since listening to the cd every day I have hardly been eating anything. Sorry if I mentioned it already but sometimes when you don't listen to it for awhile I think that you start to lose altitude and forget how powerful the cd can be as a tool.

Vivacia Tue 21-May-13 06:51:56

Weight loss will not remove excess skin. I think quick weight loss is even worse as you don't give the skin chance to shrink. I would have thought slow weight loss, moisturising the skin and toning your arms are the best you can do.

ppeatfruit Tue 21-May-13 09:32:25

Morning all! Ref. underarm flab. Mine are miles better since losing the weight I DID it slowly though and was (and still am) always doing my stretches. okay esp for underarms -;

!. Stand with your arms out straight at your sides then flop down hands and lower arm leaving the rest in same place. (sort of elbows up) then fling up the hands (like Dad dancing grin) to straighten the arms again do this 3 times at night or when you remember,

2, This is amazing for waking you up as well. Kneel on all fours for a couple of moments then put bum right back onto your heels (yr. toes should be curled under and knees apart as far as you can manage) and stretch out your arms,curling down your forehead to touch ground, like a salaam gesture IFYSWIM ( I do it on my bed). Start with 2 of these in the morning and work up to more as you get stronger) .IT IS A FULL ON STRETCH SO TAKE CARE AND DON'T PUSH YOURSELF TOO HARD ESP. IF YOU DON'T USUALLY DO THIS TYPE OF MOVEMENT.

3. This also helps the smoothness of the upper arm . using the flat of your hand starting in your armpit sweep the hand up the inside of your arm up to your fingers (squeeze between the ring finger and little finger) and down on the outer side. Do this 3 times morning and night or whenever.

QueenOfHalloween Tue 21-May-13 11:05:42

Rules Someone on one of my the other sites i frequent has been using Nivea Q10 Firming Cream and a body brush and she says its really working well for her and that her skin fits her body again! Not quite sure how a cream can do all that however it might be worth a shot?

I'm also seeing Star Trek today. It'll be my 3rd visit to see it!

I'm getting so bad with the CD i really need to try and remember to put it on. Thankfully though my appetite has not increased since i've not used it but i'm sure it'll be creeping back before i know it.

Rulesgirl Tue 21-May-13 17:19:09

Viv ......I don't have excess skin but as I have approached my late 40s and the peripause.....you start to lose muscle tone naturally in the arms ( I find). My arms have always been naturally skinny and definded but even they have a bit of movement in the undercarriage now . In my research I have found that as we stop having periods and stop producing testosterone which the ovaries create so that's why older women complain of everything going south. I do weights to address this but toning the underarm is proving a little more difficult. I have never been really overweight, would like to lose a stone now, so don't have excess skin anywhere but thanks for your reply smile

Rulesgirl Tue 21-May-13 17:20:34

Queen enjoy Star Trek. It was my second time seeing it. Looking forward to Hangover 3 next. DH and I have the yearly pass thing so we go as often as poss.

Vivacia Tue 21-May-13 17:27:55

Ah, I hope I didn't cause offence. Wobble due to un-toned muscle is much easier to deal with than flapping due to fat and skin!

Rulesgirl Tue 21-May-13 17:45:55

No Viv. Sorry didn't mean to give that impression. Just trying to get these bloody arms toned. Any help is appreciated. The look fine its just when I wave it notice it. I am a personal stylist and up until the last 3 years my arms were absolutely fine but older women used to say to me that my arms will go eventually. I would look at there really wobbly arms and think......"God I bloody hope not". So you see, I just want to get rid of it. smile

QueenOfHalloween Tue 21-May-13 18:13:31

Rules It was great. Just like it was the other 2 times i saw it smile I've been to the pictures a few time lately but don't normally go much so a yearly pass wouldn't be worth it. Although it would have come in handy in the last few weeks as i've been to see Star Trek 3 times, The Evil Dead and Iron Man 3. I think i've pretty much covered the wages for my local Cineworld for the next 3 months!

Rulesgirl Tue 21-May-13 18:16:52

he he. That's why we got the yearly passes. If the two of us go to see just one film a month then it works out then its even. So if we see two films a month then its like were watching it for free. So we try and go once a week and then were laughing.

veryberrybug Tue 21-May-13 21:15:57

rules for a while i did callanetics (very enjoyable, doesny look like you're doing much but boy do you feel the burn! having done weight training too i like something which really works, thought you may too being a weights girl) when i went to the class there were often some age 50+ regulars (many comments about hot flushes etc) & i noticed none of them had bingo wings. the exercise is good & after a while you can do it with a wee weight in each hand. as follows:
1) stand straight, get your pelvis neutral, lift your pelvic floor muscles.
2) hold your arms out to the side at shoulder height (make a big "T") rotate your thumbs UNDER & to the back. lift your arms out behind you, as high & close together as you can, palms up. relax the shoulders.
3) do teeny tiny pulses ~1/2 inch bringing hands closer together, up & down for the 2nd set, teeny circles for the 3rd set. change to palms out (thumbs up) sometimes.
4) do ~100 pulses per set (~1min) & build up.
5) are your arms dropping? keep them lifted! is your pelvic floor still engaged? shoulders still down?
there's videos on youtube aplenty.
i know i can't speak from personal experience as not in the age range (yet) but the other ladies' arms were lovely! & i could certainly feel it working. HTH. wink

Rulesgirl Tue 21-May-13 21:22:46

oooo thanks for that very. will have a go and let you know. People always presume I'm thirty eight so I don't want to ruin their illusion hehe!!

veryberrybug Tue 21-May-13 21:55:44

quite right! grin

Solo Tue 21-May-13 23:33:01

Glad you all found the number 12 thread! smile

Rules I am a prison officer, so no mobiles at work and I just don't have the time anyway. Right now I should be sleeping, but I just wanted to nip in.

Keep up the good work everyone! see you soon.x

ppeatfruit Wed 22-May-13 14:51:11

Those exes. look interesting very but I don't do 'burn' Paul Mckenna says " No pain No pain" grin i refuse to hurt myself deliberately grin I will try them though just more gently!

QueenOfHalloween Wed 22-May-13 19:15:33

Wow Solo your job is hard work! Over the past 10 years i have visited most of the prisons in my local area through work and i'm honestly not sure i could ever do your job!

I am sooo tired today. Had such a bad night. Finally seeing the Neurologist at my local hospital tomorrow and need to get my head into gear as i need to make a list of all my symptoms so i don't have to try and remember them tomorrow. Gonna be hard work.

veryberrybug Wed 22-May-13 22:18:06

blimey solo hats off to you that must be difficult, & quite frankly the idea of it scares the bejabers out of me. between the nature of it & the shift lengths, you're doing well to pop on here at all, let alone set us up a shiny new thread - cheers! smile

pp yes it's always best to tweak stuff to suit yourself, which you evidently know well! when i say "burn" though, just to clarify, i definitely don't mean GO! GO! GO! until you throw up boot camp style (eeuch couldny think of anything worse!) but rather that i like exercise where i can feel the muscle being worked getting tired, you know like when you climb a hill & feel your calves singing? i think it's lactic acid. anyhoo, not harsh & horrible! i tend to think that if we just do what we're capable of (with little effort) our bodies will stay the same as they're capable of that already, but if we push it a little beyond that, then our bodies will be stimulated to change/grow muscle in order to be able to cope with that next time.
did you say you were a type A? i've been reading the book:very interesting. going to give it a try, got some gluten-free bits in & no bacon! noted another avoid for three types was wholewheat bread - recommended as being more healthy by many!

queen sorry you're feeling like shit sad hope you managed to get that list down before you conked. might be worth looking over again in the morning in case you remember something else. good luck with hospital appt, don't be fobbed off by any wafty consultant types, i hope you get a good 'un grin

ppeatfruit Thu 23-May-13 07:53:43

Morning grin veryberry I've got the Blood Type encyclopedia and it talks about different types doing differently with the SORT of exercises they do best with. E.G. I hate running or jogging but as you know I prefer stretches, dancing etc. whereas O types NEED running and weights etc. to feel good. It's fascinating. grin

Afternoon all smile

I haven't been on for a little bit as lots of stress in RL and getting very tired. Found out this morning that some of that is caused by an underactive thyroid so hopefully once the medication starts working I will be feeling more like my old self.

The other stress is coming in the shape of exH and will be much more difficult to solve, though doctor has referred me to counselling for that.

Hope everyone is doing well. My dog eat the last of my mint aero bubbles yesterday and I nearly cried! Back to Paul McKenna tonight I think!

ppeatfruit I have got a copy of the book with your exercises but haven't looked at it properly yet, are there any you would recommend?

Hi everybody. V busy at the moment so I only grab a moment or two every now and then but wanted to mark my place on the new thread and congratulate everybody for being so positive and making progress.

Faith - your lovely Faithlet is gorgeous. She doesn't look tiny, that's for sure. She must be coming up for 6 weeks now (Not difficult to remember when she was born on my Mum's birthday). Any sign of the 6 wk growth spurt? My 2 were putting on a lb a week around this age. It was exhausting!

Solo - sorry work is such a trial and everything feels a bit out of control. I have no idea what you can do about it tbh but we are here for a good moan if it helps.

HadALittleFaithBaby Thu 23-May-13 21:04:39

Hello all!

Grr I had a post all written and it got eaten!

Thank you BBB. I confess I was finding things tough but I left her with my Dad while I got my hair done. An hour away from her and I couldn't get back quickly enough!

She is growing well. I reckon she's over 7lb now but someone today asked if she was a week old?! I guess she's the size of an average newborn. Feeding is still irregular. She's had growth spurts but not much in the last few days, probsbly gearing up for another?! I just get snacks, drinks and stick the Netflix on when it happens.

solo sorry it's pants, hope it improves soon.

Sorry not to Name check much, got a hungry baby to feed again!

QueenOfHalloween Thu 23-May-13 22:50:18

Hi everyone.

Consultant appointment was pants. It was more like an interrogation than a consultation. The only thing he didn't ask me outright was whether or not i was faking it. He begrudgingly authorized an MRI scan but told me he doubted it would show anything up. Then at the end told me "your not crazy, your symptoms are real but probably not connected to just one thing" So how come you've made me feel like a fraud for the past half hour????? Felt really peed off. Even more so when he said he would see me again in 6 months! Got to ring on Tuesday to make appointment for MRI and i know this sounds ridiculous but i almost hope something shows up so he takes me a bit more seriously!

Eaten way too much today. Back on track tomorrow (hopefully!)

QueenOfHalloween Thu 23-May-13 22:52:04

Oh i hope everyone else is okay!

ppeatfruit Fri 24-May-13 09:23:02

Morning all !! yes threedaughters There is a lovely one that along with helping the thyroid also does wonders for double chins!!

1. You gently (very gently to start with!!) hold for 10 counts either side of your adam's apple with your thumb and forefinger. Then massage (again very gently to start) for 5 counts.

2. Repeat under your chin and then at the base of your neck. That's it; it's amazing because if you get those tickly coughs it also helps control them.

I know how annoying it is to type a good message and then they go offline before you can post it HadA grin

I bought another dress grin for DD's wedding yesterday its lovely (from a depot vente the french version of 2nd dress agencies). It's designer full length with a linen underdress and lace overdress strappy!With a full length sleeveless coat made from the same lace! It's a rough type of lace in a cream\beige colour difficult to describe and sorry I can't link!

I love those places 'cos complete with shoes and a necklace it was under 150 euros!!!

ppeatfruit Fri 24-May-13 09:28:43

Nice to hear from you BBB. I forgot to say I tried on 'fascinators' to match the above dress they really looked weird (like little piles on the side of your head!!!) so I bought a more normal hat that'll do something useful stop the sun from burning me (I'm very fair).

veryberrybug Fri 24-May-13 16:43:37

pp ooh dress sounds gorgeous. you could always use the linen underdress to wipe your tears of joy if you find yourself caught short bubbling without a hanky! grin
in the blood type book i've got there's a section at the end of each type's chapter on exercise, yes very interesting. read one & thought "sounds just like my mum" i'll need to check!

hada aarrgh! snap! i just had the same losing a post frustration when ipad ran out of charge <grrr>. don't worry about folk thinking faithlet's just newborn, my DD2 was like fairy gossamer (6lbs at birth & always petite, bottom of the centile etc) & she's always thrived, as i'm sure faithlet will. just different build to the wee bruisers!

queen urg your consultant sounds shit! clearly bedside manner isn't in the finals. hope you get somewhere soon. my sis is having lots of yucky random symptoms, off on the sick from work, & finding that NHS just want to give her pills which don't solve anything & have crap side effects, so she's increasingly going down the complementary therapies route. appreciate your angry

three sorry you're having stress too. sad

i've had a week of thinking i was doing away quite nicely & then keep getting caught out having totally & utterly forgotten something really important, it comes to light in front of folk & i've felt like such an idiot blush but glad to say i managed to stop myself reaching for the cake while i was kicking myself & did the havening tapping thing.yey!
i've been GF for a couple of days now & no really noticed any difference, then ate something with gluten flour this afternoon & within half an hour my stomach ballooned - honestly like someone took a bicycle pump to me - & i've had terrible wind ever since! (sorry if TMI!) but it never happenned before when i ate the same thing 4 days ago? any ideas? confused

Rulesgirl Fri 24-May-13 22:05:44

Hi All, Threedaughters did you get your hair done and if so, how does it look?

ppeatfruit Sat 25-May-13 08:46:12

Your body is probably reacting differently to gluten because it was getting used to being GF! veryberry It also makes me all droopy and lacking in any energy ( I had a croissant while our houseguest was here it wasn't worth the aftertaste though)! You know I hadn't thought about the fact there are no pockets in it my dress or the matching coat. I've got a cute handbag though! Any advice on getting a gentle fake tan anyone? I'll have bare arms and shoulders (totally not like me DH commented lol)!

I'm very cynical when it comes to the medics. I keep far away from them I just follow the blood type (i'm the healthiest person I know !!!)

veryberrybug Sat 25-May-13 10:33:09

thanks pp that makes sense, i did feel like a wrung-out dishcloth all afternoon too. i suppose my body couldn't shout that loudly every time when i was putting gluten in 2-3X/day, but given the space it did. still quite startled, i though GFness took months & years to work!
sorry i can't help with fake tan, i can't help myself but bare shoulders whenever i feel a warm enough ray (but DD1 commented when i was in the bath that i looked like i was wearing a white vest!)

Veryberry thank you. I have spoken to the doctor and he is referring me to counselling, I need to find out why I allow my exH to make me feel so guilty!

I was speaking to someone who has coeliac and he said that when he eat glutton before being diagnosed he felt unwell but if he eats it now he is a lot worse. I feel tired and bloated after eating so might try stopping for a bit, though bread and pasta are my favourite foods!

I haven't had my hair cut yet due to lack of money! I get paid on Friday so will try and make an appointment for Saturday morning. Though DD2 was crying when I dropped her to gymnastics this morning!

ppeatfruit Sat 25-May-13 13:21:59

ThreeDaughters I haven't had 'normal' wheat bread or pasta for ages You can get rye bread and ryvitas etc. in Sainsbos also there is nice rice pasta lots of types of wheat free stuff in HFShops. I also make my own bread which is cheaper of course I use spelt and Kamut which are low gluten ancient wheats; DH is alright with them but he becomes an exhausted bad tempered old bugxxx when he eats wheat grin

QueenOfHalloween Sat 25-May-13 17:42:22

Just marking my spot. Feel too tired to comment on much today. Hope everyone is ok and enjoying the nice weather that will apparently have buggered off by Monday!

Rulesgirl Sat 25-May-13 20:33:25

Are well......you see Queen ....I live in a holiday area and its lovely weather for all the tourists that have come up. And then they can go home again.

veryberrybug Sun 26-May-13 02:03:35

three i'm a total bread & pasta girl too, but as pp said they got luvly muffins/rolls in sainsbrys... after that blourp yesterday i've been totally GF & feel so bright today, honestly i've no had energy like this in ages. i kept thinking "i'm only 37, no fit for the knacker's yard yet, surely?" but today actually felt like doing stuff no just flopping about doing bare minimum no feeling rested after a seat. hurrah grin

ppeatfruit Sun 26-May-13 09:20:10

Morning all grin what nice weather queen? I'm doing some uncharacteristic praying for nice weather in London on Sat. 8th june grin here it's been about 4 -5 C at night and pissing with rain basically !!! Luckily I haven't put my lemon trees outside yet!

Are you in Edinburgh Rules? i remember being VERY cold a few years ago at the festival in August I LIKE it though unless I don't bring enough cardies! I heart Edin. grin

I will have a look at the GF stuff next time I go shopping, is it expensive?

We have had a lovely weekend here is Devon but the day we have tickets for a family day out, Monday, it's supposed to be pouring down! The place we are going doesn't really have anything indoors either!

I still have started listening to my CD again, not really feeling in the right place at the moment. I will give myself a good talking to and will try again tonight.

What do you all eat if you are having a cold lunch or tea? We have sandwiches and picky bits but DD2 and DD3 won't eat much fruit and no veg at all! I'm struggling to think of healthy things to fill them up.

Also Queen do you get joint pain as well as fatigue? Have you been tested for any autoimmune illnesses? It took quite a while for my friend to be diagnosed with lupus and there are times she is so tired she can barely talk.

Hope they find out what it is soon.

Rulesgirl Sun 26-May-13 11:44:49

Hi Ladies....pp I live in Wales. Not long till your daughter gets married. How you feeling ?
Queen..sorry your feeling bad. What are your symptoms. Tell us more, maybe we can help? thanks

veryberrybug Sun 26-May-13 11:53:17

three yes i was a bit shock at the price of some of the GF stuff: £2 for 4 rolls/muffins/pittas so i think making my own could become a more appealing option! nature's valley GF cereal is on 2 for £4 (usually £3). but at least with Pauling i'm no eating much of it!
we don't really do cold tea but WRT veg, i'd recommend making soup: if you whizz it up they don't poke it & screw up faces so much as they can't ID individual veg to whinge about! my DD1 was the fussiest eater & i would just keep putting real food, including veg, in front of her. a few years later she did start eating veg! still slightly begrudgingly, but hey it's going down the hatch! also, our rule: pudding is only an option if veg is eaten. smile

ppeatfruit Sun 26-May-13 13:24:16

veryberry rice krispies are cheaper than Nature valley aren't they? Are you actually ceoliac or wheat intolerant? It's much easier to be just wheat intolerant grin Most Dcs go through a fussy stage you have to be careful not to make a big deal out of it because it can cause problems with disorders later on. (there was a thread about it and quite a few posters were saying so 'cos it applied to them).

Remember we're not members of the clean plate club here! as P.M. says.

rules It's 2 weeks to go and I'm trying not to stress about it grin She wants people to bring cakes and I'm thinking through the GF almond lemon cake she wants me to bring i'll have to freeze it!

veryberrybug Sun 26-May-13 14:44:27

pp rice crispies might be cheaper but they just don't fill me up! i think they're just little circles of air! i like a cereal with different shaped bits in it like muesli/granola IYSWIM, i'm only just finding my way though & stumbling /fumbling somewhat. i don't know if i'm wheat/coeliac? it's a whole new field to me, i was just trying no gluten bread, pasta, cereal as per blood type book to see if it made me feel better, because before when i did the alkaline diet i felt better (no gluten but also no loads of other stuff too) but couldn't stick to it because it was so restrictive & had no meat shock. this time i thought i'd just alter one variable at a time & see what happens. what's the difference between them? can you drink beer?

ppeatfruit Sun 26-May-13 15:32:09

I think if you're an O type beer is a bit of a no no apparently it causes not only beer bellies but beer boobs as well for men! (hops are full of oestrogen!) If it blows you out its probably not a good idea to drink it (I don't mind that raspberry Belgian beer but it's not the norm for me to drink I like cider and have some occasionally, but more often I have good red wine!) that's okay for everyone and beneficial for ABs and Os! Not too much though of course grin

The problem with GF flour and those rip off rolls etc, from supermarkets is that the flour they use usually has potato in it it tastes vile too! The pure rye bread sainsbos do is much nicer and O types are okay with rye thats why ryvita is ok (You DO have to look at the labels though they put wheat in every thing now).

QueenOfHalloween Sun 26-May-13 18:12:21

Hello all.

Recently diagnosed with CFS/ME and have just started treatment with my local CFS/ME centre. But about 4 months ago i started getting numbness & severe pain down my right hand side. My doctor was concerned enough to refer me to the Neurologist for a MRI scan. As well as severe fatigue which is made worse by any kind of activity, i have difficulties concentrating, poor short term memory, word finding difficulties, headaches, dizzy spells, pain, etc. Been off work since the end of January which is really frustrating. Especially since i'm on a fixed term contract which ends in August. I should have been spending this time job hunting. Just so frustrating. Even more so now i've dropped SSP for pay. Its a competitive job market out there so i could really have done without a long period of sickness. Prior to becoming ill in Nov last year i was a regular runner and race walker. Now i can barely walk half a mile without feel knackered!

I was looking for a proper rye bread and found it a real struggle. There's no Sainsbury's near me which is a shame because all the other rye bread are made 50% rye 50% wheat so not really sure how they are advertising them as Rye bread! I've not tried the gluten free pasta, mainly because its so pricey.

I'm still flat on my back from my exertion on Friday. Me and my partner were going to head up to Whitby this weekend but i've just not been well enough and the weather is going to be rubbish tomorrow so looks like we've missed the window.

veryberrybug Sun 26-May-13 19:01:46

pp ok i've done a bit of reading up & i'm not likely to be coeliac because it sounds pretty severe & i think i'd know about it if i was! so i'm testing to see if i'm wheat intolerant. jings crivvens there's wheat in everything! i see what you mean. what i'm confused about is lager beer: miller genuine draft to be precise. it says it contains barley, so does that mean gluten? the blood type bible book says for O types lager & all wine is neutral <cheer!> but is MGD then in contradiction with the gluten-free requirement? confused only once a week if that (often not for a month) 2-3 bottles max, wine one night & the rest are school nights so valerian tea for me!brew
yes i spotted the tatty starch ingredient on the breads & thought ¿qé? confused but though a good baker of cakes grin i'm not well-versed in bread, do you have a bread-maker or can it be easy without? i've no airing cupboard for rising either hmm only ever done a couple of those "bread mix" kits, not from scratch. sorry so many Qs, please help!

veryberrybug Sun 26-May-13 19:10:31

awnaw queen sorry you're having such a shit time of it. big hugs flowers

QueenOfHalloween Mon 27-May-13 00:36:58

Thanks Very There's worse things out there. Its just taking a while to get used to the fact that its going to take me a while to get back on my feet or get used to the idea that it might be a while before i can work a full time role again and that will have an impact on my finances.

Rulesgirl Mon 27-May-13 03:55:16

Sorry Queen sounds awful. I believe that what you eat can affect it quite a bit.

ppeatfruit Mon 27-May-13 08:30:54

Queen sad I agree with rules As you probably guessed! It depends on yr blood type but I'd give up any pork products and see how you feel 'cos no one should eat it. If you're B or AB give up chicken as well and see! it may help you a lot (DD2 and DH think its bonkers but they're both unwell; soo many people are ill and when there's a chance to get better it's sensible to give it a go!)

ppeatfruit Mon 27-May-13 08:33:12

Happy holiday\halftermgrin everyone BTW.

There's no holiday here but it's our anniversary so we're off to the seaside. Hooray grin

Vivacia Mon 27-May-13 18:19:32

Hi everyone, I had my first fortnightly weigh-in and have lost 5lb. I can definitely feel the improvement in my clothes fit too. Unfortunately, I got a bit carried away today eating out of boredom and not eating mindfully. Never mind, haven't eaten any tea and tomorrow's a fresh day.

veryberrybug Mon 27-May-13 18:47:44

well done viv that's a great loss! i've found when i've forgotton to be mindful & eaten unnecessarily that when i tune back in i'm no hungry for tea either! tonight i've just enjoyed me tea but dammit no room left & DD1's made rhubarb crumble with me 1st bag of GF flour - curses it smells sooo good! might be brekky tomorrow grin heehee

pp hope you've had a lovely anniversary flowers

queen buggeration to your double whammy: feeling shit & being skint; is there no justice? sad but you'll get through & we're here for you smile

Rulesgirl Mon 27-May-13 22:04:55

pp did you have a lovely day? Were you spoilt and treated to romantic things???
Viv Yay.....Go Viv...Go Viv...!!!! Well done. Try not to celebrate by eating unmindfully now.......grin
Queen hows you today?
Hows little Faithlett faith?
Solo were you working today? and Hi to everyone else.

QueenOfHalloween Mon 27-May-13 22:13:40

Thanks everyone.

Hope you've all had a cracking bank holiday. I'm completely cream crackered today. OH insisted on a short walk to make sure i got some fresh air but even the short walk had me exhausted, Stupid body! Honestly if it doesn't start behaving soon i'm seriously considering trading it in for a different model. I'm pretty sure i'm due an upgrade wink

Vivacia Well done on your 5lb loss.

I think i shall have to hunt down my copy of the Blood Type book and have a shufty through it again. I'm pretty sure i'm the common type O....

I've not listened to the CD at all in the last week. Don't know what's happened i just keep forgetting. Need to make a mental note to remember the rules. Interesting i was reading one of Jason Vale's Juicing books and the rules he advises to help people keep healthy eating food are almost identical to Paul's. I'm also making an conscious effort to drink more water. I've always been rubbish at it but am trying to drink at least 2litres a day. Just wish my bladder would get used to the extra water so i didn't have to keep going to the loo every 5 mins. I even downloaded an app from the android store that every so often makes a noise like a running tap to remind me to drink more water. Very embarrassing when it goes off in public!

ppeatfruit Tue 28-May-13 09:11:28

AAh I love you lot grin thanks Yes we had a lovely time . If anyone fancies a holiday in Fr. go to La Rochelle and then the Isle de Re (you can fly there from Southampton and maybe other airports) which is just like a Caribean Island with good restaurants, the best ice cream you've ever tasted out of Italy (i had a natural flavoured rose one and maron; total yum!!). AND THE SUN SHONE!!!

Yes Viv I 2nd the congrats on the 5ibs. and the magical thing about this way of eating is you can go straight back on it the next day!!

Queen You sound like you're an O type non secretor. Which is DH and he is a different happier person without wheat and sugar !! Sorry !! But you CAN eat lots of meat, fish veg and fruit; think caveman!! Water is important but not too much grin

veryberrybug Wed 29-May-13 17:11:10

hey pp sounds great, & i'm going on holiday just a couple of hours up the coast from there in four weeks! i like the sound of sun & ice-cream... grin

ppeatfruit Thu 30-May-13 10:23:54

Where are you going to be staying? we are almost 2 hours inland from La Rochelle near Poitiers! veryberry It's a brilliant time to go before it gets too crowded with cyclists etc.! Of course I can't guarantee sun there all the time grin but it has often been better weather there than at ours!

QueenOfHalloween Thu 30-May-13 16:43:05

Mmmm sun and Ice cream, that does sounds wonderful. Be nice to just have some sunshine at some point!

Rulesgirl Fri 31-May-13 05:00:35

Glad you had a great day pp
Oooo how nice very your off on hols to France....lovely.
Hows things with you Queen?
Three did you get your hair cut yet or is it tomorrow?
grin

ppeatfruit Fri 31-May-13 06:49:52

Wow rules you're up early and we're an hour ahead so it doesn't feel so early IYSWIM.I'm clearing up for my hairdresser who's coming here at 10. I've started putting on my fake tan (mixed with moisturiser it goes on really nicely and not too heavily!) so things are swinging into action for next saturday AAAAH!!!!

Solo Fri 31-May-13 11:00:56

Hi all. Yes, I was working all BH weekend again!! but to put a cat amongst the pigeons, I've been selected for voluntary redundancy and now I have I am worried, scared and very unsure about it! I have to work and have a good salary or I can't survive <sigh>

Queen I too have ME/CFS, so you have my support for what it's worth. I'm not here much due to work, but I'm here.

Hope everyone is well and OK. I hope to catch up again soon.x

Hi Solo - That certainly must have put the cat amongst the pigeons 6 mths ago I am bet it would have given you the breathing space you wanted but it is easy to get used to earning again and going to work (I know I have, regardless of the fact I don't like the job at all).

Seems to me like you have the same conundrum you had when you were trying to delay going back to work - what do you do instead if you can't be a prison officer?! Does the prison service offer any careers counselling on what to do after redundancy? Some places do.

But I suppose it wouldn't do for life to run too smoothly would it? Where is the fun in that?! winksmile

VenusUprising Fri 31-May-13 12:44:02

Hi all, I found your thread from another thread.

I've been doing the 5:2 fast, but as my mum has bulimia, I can feel that the fasting is not right for me.

A question to everyone.... Is this programme done with the cd every night?

What you you visualise as yucky.... I clean the drains and I don't find that gunk disgusting.... I mean I wouldn't eat it obv, but feel I need a different yuk trigger: what do you use?


Can I say QueenOfHalloween, that, and I don't mean to scare you, but you do need to take it easy.

I was very very ill with ME for eight long years.
You have to give in to it to get out of it.

Don't fight the fatigue, and always carry money for a taxi home when you just cannot walk.

Leave 20% in your energy tank at all times, even when you think you could go on.
It important to respect ME, as my doctor told me!

Going on a gluten sugar free diet did me the world of good, as I had a candida overgrowth.
Hope you're feeling well as can be.

smile

MardyBra Fri 31-May-13 12:49:26

<Sneaking back into the fold with head held low>

Got on the scales this morning and I am the heaviest I have ever been in my life. And believe me, that's no mean feat. Many stones to lose.
Something drastic needs to happen. It's either back to Pauling - and properly this time. Or Weight Watchers. Or a gastric band. Or keel over into an early grave.

I'm massively beating myself up. And yes, I know I have to get rid of that mindset.

I bought the PMK gastric band book a couple of months ago, but have I done anything with it. Like fuck I have.

I'm majorly pissed off with myself for getting in this state. And my fucking knees hurt.

The only rule I have been following is "Eat What You Like". sad

ppeatfruit Fri 31-May-13 15:06:08

OOh babes welcome back mardy big big hug and some thanks I'm glad you thought of us you'll be fine once you start back grin Paul and all of us are here to give you a hand grin.

Welcome venus it's good to hear from you!

sols I composed a nice post to you and MN has eaten it grin that's a bugger about your job I don't understand being 'selected' for 'voluntary ' redundancy !! i was going to ask if you are coping with M.E. with your job.

Hi BBB I'm getting fed up with that thread now! grin

MardyBra Fri 31-May-13 17:41:38

Thanks for the lovely welcome back pp.

Are any of you on the thread doing PMK's gastric band thingie? I think my full signal is seriously delayed. For example, I stopped myself eating lunch before I was full today - probably at around a 4 on the hunger scale. It took me about 20-30 mins for the food to register and for me to feel full up. I was probably a 2-3 when I started eating though, so may have left it a bit late when I started eating iyswim.

I might have a peek at the gastric band thread too.

Rulesgirl Fri 31-May-13 20:52:25

Hi Ladies.
Mardy....and pptoo....I have to confess, a week ago I decided to do the gastric band. PMICMYT works perfectly for me but decided to see what all the excitement was about and you know what.....lost 4lb in one week, but the most amazing thing is that I don't really think about eating much at all now. And It all seems just so much easier. I easily make all the right choices and usually opt for the healthier option rather than a biscuit. Im choosing bananas or apples. Its like having a little voice in your head that when you eat something it says to you " that's enough now, your full". So would I recommend it.....well yes at the moment . If your struggling to remember to do PM then this gives you the edge so to speak.
BBB did you ever try it?

QueenOfHalloween Fri 31-May-13 21:30:29

Solo Support from anyone is very much appreciated. Just need to work out what my base levels are and also master the art of properly resting. I just can't seem to switch my brain off completely. Spent ages on the phone today trying to get through to the CAB to see if there's anything else i can claim whilst i'm on SSP but the line was constantly busy. I've been there with the redundancy. The boss came round and told me that i was being made redundant, but i could choose to go "voluntarily" if i wanted to. Errr nope don't want to at all. Loved my job so there was no way i was leaving of my own accord. Plus the few insurance policies i had didn't cover me if i went voluntarily.

Thanks Venus I have started to look into gluten free, clean living, etc, but just not ready to give up things like pasta and jaffa cakes....

Welcome back Mardy I was going to say something about jumping back on Paul but no matter how i phrased it just sounded wrong!

So anyone have any weekend plans?

Rulesgirl Fri 31-May-13 22:12:03

My weekend plans are to prepare for an interview on Monday by doing lots of research into the company and its policies etc and doing a TMA which I have already had an extension for so it needs to be in by Sunday night now. Went out to Next to get some suitable interview trousers.
What about you Queen
And pp I wasn't up early and hadn't yet gone to bed. Was preparing for my telephone interview this afternoon. lol.

QueenOfHalloween Fri 31-May-13 22:57:53

No specific plans for this weekend. Will just take it as it comes. Hoping for nice weather mind.

Rules You know i don't think i've ever had a telephone interview for a role before. They've always been face to face interviews. Didn't even do a telephone interview for a role in a call centre... You'd have thought they would have wanted to see what i was like on the phone first. But like you i always research the company first before attending the interview. I love it when they ask you what you know about them and your able to list off a load of things smile

MardyBra Sat 01-Jun-13 10:22:44

Rulesgirl. I always thought it was solo that wanted to jump on Paul. He does have a certain charisma about him in the flesh. wink

ppeatfruit Sat 01-Jun-13 12:56:47

Me too, me too!! mardy Though he's looking a bit scraggy now grin

Are you an actor Queen ?

Silly me Rules i didn't look at the time of your post! The VGB sounds good how much have you lost now ?

Rulesgirl Sat 01-Jun-13 14:05:18

Mmmm...not sure I fancy him physically, he just helps me really relax like a vodka and coke grin

veryberrybug Sat 01-Jun-13 23:54:07

hello all, happy weekend! smile

pp my holidays are gonnae be at st. jean de monts, up the coast fe les sables d'olonne. prob similar distance to poitiers as ile de ré: small world! never been to the vendée before but photos look beautiful, it should be suitable temperature hopefully, (no too hot for us wee scottish frogs - we melt if it's over 25°c!) bearing in mind as soon as it's been 16°c here i've been out in strappy vest & flipflops! & we should be able to drive there off the overnight ferry in one day. so here's hoping! ooh exciting your big day drawing close grin how's the hair?

i've been GF for a week now & am quietly amazed at how i just feel lighter, & when i've expected to follow my usual pattern of feeling really tired i've just no been quite so pooped, but it's weird it's no like a caffeine <ping> i just feel quietly better smile so i'll stick at it for now & see how it goes. queen GF pasta was quite nice once i added some flavour, an extra dollop of pesto & it was good, just light & not so stodgy as wheat-based...

mardybra hello & just a wee thought reading your post, if i leave it 'til 2-3 on the hunger scale i find it impossible to eat slowly enough & thus overeat, then it catches up with me, so maybe don't wait so long (only 3-4) & then eat slower might help with noticing the full signal.
i've done HGB & it's no worked for me <sob> but it has for loads of others on HGB thread & amazon reviews.

venus hello & i don't do the disgustigating one particular food, TBH i don't want to live without anything i like! since starting Pauling i don't go bonkers about any one particular food anymore. i listen between 1-3 times a week & just when i feel i need it...

solo i'm not claiming i know you by any means but ever since i've been looking at this thread you've never sounded happy about your work & the time you can't see your kids... personally i'd rather be skint & mentally happy, than well-off & my head done in: i'm SAHM & can't claim bugger all concessions/benefits, my DP not on big wage but enough to get by; i'd rather have the time with them because you can't get it back... but you should do what's right in your head (even if it's a change from what you're used to).

Solo Sun 02-Jun-13 00:54:28

Very quick reply here.

I am a lone parent, so have no one to back me up so to speak...I am, not terribly happy at work, it's a dreadful job now sad I'm just fearful of the unknown I think.

I have had ME for around 13/14 years now and no amount of rest helps me. I have tried the gluten free and sugar free and mushroom free and it's a hideous diet sad imo.

I'm off to bed now, but will try to come back soon.

Welcome back Mardy!

Rulesgirl Sun 02-Jun-13 03:06:03

Solo your life has not been great this year has it. I know voluntary redundancy sounds very scary but it may be just the change you need so you can see your kids and look after yourself more ....maybe???confused

Solo Sun 02-Jun-13 10:06:06

Rules thanks, but if I told my whole story, it's not been great for 30 years!
I took a career break after my maternity ended, so I was off work for six years; I went back 4 months ago and the job has changed and continues to do so and not for the better. I heard about the vol redundancy and decided to go for it thinking I'd be unlikely to get it...but I have been selected. I cannot go back to benefits for obvious reasons and I personally think it'd be a waste to live off the redundancy so would need a job straight away paying reasonable money. I hate change ~ always have, so it's doubly scary for me...

Solo Sun 02-Jun-13 10:20:30

Mardy I've had the gastric band book for several months too, but haven't read it yet either. I put the cd on a few days ago and it says to read the book first and I just don't have the time! I've never even read his ICMYT book blush. I'm going to have to set time aside to read the hypno band book I think.

ppeatfruit Sun 02-Jun-13 13:33:02

It's getting a bit manic and we're not even over there yet! thanks veryberry My hair is nice i hate the 'just done look' so I've got it sort of chin length with a side swept fringe and layers and I'm lucky 'cos I've got natural waves that go where I want them to usually grin i don't blow dry or straighten any more it's very liberating!

When over here ( I like Sables d'Olonne but it's more of a 'normal' seaside town IFYSWIM) you must take a drive down to La Rochelle which is an old walled lovely town as well as being just by Isle de Re!

sols grin and you write such knowledgeable intros to our thread! You can get amazing non wheat foods now I prefer the rice\spelt pastas to the soggy wheat ones. Oh andqueen try eating a jaffacake very slowly and consciously I guarantee you'll go YUCK!! They are so fake!!

veryberrybug Sun 02-Jun-13 14:50:41

solo blimey that's tough circumstance, good for you just getting on with it. i'm a bit of a big fierty when it comes to change too, but i second what rules said, & it may be better for you in the long run if you can just get through the horrible changey bit & then get to a better place (ie. nicer job) where you can stay...

pp thanks for holiday tip! glad to hear reccommendations from a "native" so to speak! grin i cany wait to get speaking french again, i learnt it for 7 yrs through school & a bit of uni & i loved that i got to use it again last yr when we got a cheapy last minute deal in october (chasing the sun after pisspoor rainy summer here!). your hair sounds lovely, yes i agree it's good to let it bed down & settle in after haircut! wink

Rulesgirl Sun 02-Jun-13 16:43:07

solo you are very brave even though I know you don't feel it. thanks Change is hard but to grow we go through it. Find yourself a job you enjoy. Even if it's less money maybe you can adjust your spending etc. Not that I know anything about your situation so I'm not trying to be patronising ..honest.! You don't seem to have had much of a life in this job so it can only get better.

Solo, do you they give you any help with retraining or changing careers with the redundancy package? i know it wouldn't be ideal but would the redundancy package keep you going for a significant amount of time? What I am trying to say is how much of a risk is it that you will end up back on benefits? If for example, redundancy money will only last you a couple of months then it might not be worth the risk unless you had a very clear idea of what you were going to do and a pretty good chance of being able to do it.

On the other hand, if it would last you a year during which time you could find yourself another job then I might be inclined to embrace the change and go for it. I know an awful lot of people who have found that whilst it is worrying at the time and very scary, redundancy was the best thing that happened to them. The change worked out for them. We live down south though so we don't have the high unemployment levels you might get in other parts of the country which helps but still it is a gamble.

It could be exciting. I'm not saying go for it and jump head first into redundancy without having a plan but it could be good. And you don't even have to stay in the job you go on to - if you don't like that move on again. You might love it though and you know for sure you don't love your current job so chances are things will get better.

pp - yes the other thread is getting a bit silly. I know you are supposed to eat more veg than fruit but the world has gone slightly mad if the best thing they have to say about fruit is that is is better than junk food. confused I keep thinking I won't go back but it keeps popping up on my threads list. Perhaps I should hide it.smile

I will just say this though - it does sort of prove the point of the OP!

Rulesgirl Sun 02-Jun-13 18:18:34

Hi BBB nice to hear from you. Have you listened to the gastric cd yet? I think you said you had bought it.

ppeatfruit Sun 02-Jun-13 18:33:47

Yes BB but let's face it there are probably as many ways of eating as there are people! You tend to find what suits you grin i thought that hell would kick off when that very militant veggie had a go at Xenia but all continued calmly (very unmumsnetty !!!!)

Rulesgirl Sun 02-Jun-13 18:39:13

I think that your right pp there is NO right or wrong way of eating, it's just food and we eat what's best for our own body. smile

ppeatfruit Sun 02-Jun-13 19:59:38

Hopefully Rules grin!

Nope, can't be doing with rules either. 4 is my max grin

It wasn't really eat what you want to suit yourself though - it was don't eat fruit because it is only just better than junk. There was a bit of backing down but it kind of feel like there was a superior, 'you can eat fruit if you want to but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole'. You could almost feeling the rolling if eyes to dare to think that fruit is good for the average person. Anyway, I've given up now.

Hi Rules, I do have the gastric band book but I still haven't read it. Having bought I decided it was too much like a diet - you have to restrict what you eat by unnatural means and too many rules even if they are absorbed unconsciously. It doesn't appeal. So, that was money well spent. Damn that '1-day one click' button on Amazon - no time to think about the error of my ways. blush

Rulesgirl Sun 02-Jun-13 21:59:19

ha ha BB with regards to the quick ordering button. However, I was initially against it but decided to read the book (similar to original) and did the tape. I didn't change what I ate at all before. And it actually works. Its just like the original only you are much more mindful. And you eat anything you want as usual. Whats to lose?.....mmmmm are yes.....weight. You've bought it so you could give it a try to help you get back on that bloody wagon. ( not being rude here just that you have said a few times that you have lost the plot with it). (smile)

Rulesgirl Sun 02-Jun-13 22:02:38

And its not unnatural means, its just hypnosis same as the original. Just that you get fuller quicker so you can re learn to recognise that full feeling again. And as with the first cd he does tell you that you will choose healthy foods for you etc. Not like a diet just the opposite but the weight comes off really well cause you are so much more mindful than with the original and still sticking to the original principal. So its eating normally, normal food, anything and everything you want, no not eating this or that etc. grin

I had lost the plot but I've been OK for the last month or so. I was 5lb down the last weigh-in last week.

The thing that bothers me are the reports of people having similar side effects to real gastric bands and having to reverse the process (not sure how you do that as you don't physically have anything to remove). I am a scaredy cat who doesn't want to take the chance even if most are OK.

And tbh, I struggle with the whole hypnosis thing in the first place (control freak I'm afraid). Positive affirmations and confidence building like ICMYT, I can just about cope with but tricking you to make you believe you have had surgery is a step too far.

But I should read the book if only to get some benefit for my money. Just got to find the time!

Rulesgirl Mon 03-Jun-13 00:02:00

Hey....your a dark horse. Why didn't you say about the weight loss. Your doing really well. Know what you mean about the band, I had the same reservations but if you don't like it you just don't listen and any effects wear off. I did it to reinforce the mindful eating. Your doing fine anyway. How much do you want to lose...I want a stone at least two even better. I went buying clothes for an interview and I hated seeing myself in bloody changing room mirrors.sad

ppeatfruit Mon 03-Jun-13 15:08:11

Just popping in to say I'll be on here occasionally (weve sorted me out an old laptop ) so I 'll be using it in London but wont have much time at all till next week when everything will have calmed down and I'll be cat sitting while DD2 is on her honeymoon! So love to you all and keep Pauling xxgrin (the key with apostrophe is faulty!!)

Have a fantastic week ppeat. Hope the weather stays as fine as it is forecast to be and you all have happy and memorable day. smile

Rules - I have loads to lose. A lot more than you. 4 stone would be good. I keep moving forward and then stopping and sometimes going backwards.

TBH I haven't been using the thread much as it seems to be going off the track a bit for me. Too much talk of banning or cutting out foods and food groups. I do understand some people are intolerant to certain things but there seems to an assumption that we would all do so much better if we banned them even if we don't need to. The whole point of Pauling for me is that you can eat what you want without traditional dieting and cutting things out. It has worked pretty well that way for several of us, me included (when I put my mind to it).

I know ppeat is passionate about her blood group diet too but it won't come as a surprise to her to know that I deeply sceptical about the whole idea and whilst I am happy for her that it worked (cutting back that drastically on the range of food you eat would though and low cal diets are the way to better health and longevity) I don't think this thread is the place to promote it. So rather than be rude or start a row, I stay away and pop back to say hi to people like Solo who I don't 'see' much these days.

I do keep reading and I am mightily impressed with the progress people are making but I am not sure I have anything useful to add.smile

Trying desperately hard not to tread on anybody's toes here. blush

Rulesgirl Mon 03-Jun-13 19:53:41

BBB I understand what you mean. I'm trying to eat like PM says. Not that he had the idea first mind. I am eating anything I want but using this method . I agree that when you restrict your diet by cutting out certain foods then you end up losing weight anyway cause you eat such a limited diet and that's not really in the spirit of this woe. Sorry pp I know you do your blood group woe but to me you havnt really lost weight PMing, you've done it with this other way of eating. BBB come on the gastric thread. And why not think about giving the band a go. It might be the icing on the cake. I wondered why you didn't say much now I know wink

Glad I am not alone Rules. Like I say, I really don't want to upset anybody.smile

I had teeny bit of a falling out with ppeat on another thread last week so she knows my views. I was glad I was able to keep it off this thread though because generally it has been lovely but it had been niggling me for a while.

To be fair, I am sure ppeat has only been able to maintain because of this WOE. She has done so well considering how many people put the weight back on so clearly whatever she has done has worked for her but I know it won't work for me.

Anyway, I will try and pluck up some courage to at least read the gastric band thing. I'll have a look at the thread too which I haven't done yet. I am actually a little bit embarrassed at the moment as having said that to ppeat last week that I never get colds either, in response to her saying how healthy she felt cutting out certain foods, I now seem to have caught a cold off DS2 who also never gets colds (At 9 he seems to have no idea how to blow his nose if is so long since he last had one!) so I am now forced to eat my words. blush

The end result is that I can't actually summon up enthusiasm for anything at the moment so bear with me for a few days!

Rulesgirl Mon 03-Jun-13 22:26:31

A lot of people have kept the weight off by continuing with the system. I guess it's like anything.....you have to keep at it. smile. I saw the other thread that you were both on too. Thought a row was going to break out. In my opinion food is my medicine and I have always eaten fresh natural food all my life but I also enjoy chocolat and real icecream crusty bread and kettle crisps so the reason I eat this way is because off a childhood of being unallowed to eat when I wanted when I was hungry. If I try and deprive myself of anything my inner self rebels. Try the band....maybe....?? smile.

Rulesgirl Mon 03-Jun-13 22:28:29

I dont want to upset anyone either. It's a lovely thread but sometimes it strays away from its basic message.grin

My weaknesses are chocolate and crusty bread too. I don't much like ice cream although I have it occasionally and Kettle crisps aren't my favourite either - Pringles or McCoys are my favs. My other favourites are jelly sweets like wine gums and cake. All of them are so much easier to resist if you know you don't have to give them up completely. Chocolate I regularly give up for Lent and after breaking the habit part of it in the first few days, I find it really easy but again, I know I can have it again so probably it helps. I do like the 80/20 thing as a guideline. I am not going to beat myself up if I have a 60/40 day but obviously you can't do it every day and expect to lose so it is in the back of my mind to think about what I have eaten over the course of a few days rather than just one.

I also didn't have a lot of this stuff as a child - we didn't have the money more than anything. Crusty bread was always available though - no sliced bread allowed in our house - we used to fight over who got the crusty end bit. Crisps and ice cream were holiday treats. Sweets were once a fortnight. We always had cake but it was home made. I am ashamed to say, knowing how much better home-made is, that having been deprived of shop bought cake, even now, 40 odd years later, it still seems like forbidden fruits to me. Just goes to show how deep our early conditioning goes I suppose.

Better go and have some breakfast. I really didn't eat much yesterday with feeling so ropey and I feel a bit weak and feeble this morning. I am not sure I am actually hungry but I might just have got beyond it so I do need to eat something I think.

Have a good day.smile

Rulesgirl Tue 04-Jun-13 10:27:55

You have a great day too.grin

Rulesgirl Tue 04-Jun-13 13:43:46

BBB it's nice to hear more about you and this woe. It is working for you again. I know you said once that even with this woe that you have to ignore your craving and make healthy choices...but with this GB thing I seem to be doing that without thing. seriously!!! For me I would have to say that it is totally
re enforcing the 4 golden rules sooo well. And I do feel slightly fuller much quicker and don't want to eat much. All he's doing is giving you another mind tool. Another suggestive image. It's nothing scary I promise. I went clothes shopping in Saturday for some interview clothes for an interview (haha) and I hated myself in the mirror so am more determined than ever to consciously eat and lose this weight. I'm size 14 to 16 but have had enough of not liking what I see in those bloody changing rooms envy .

You aren't going to give up until I have read the book are you? grin

It is difficult to explain really. I don't think I crave things as such because if I decide to give them up it isn't an issue. It is more about eating for the sake of it and forgetting that whilst something might be tasting nice and I am not stuffed I shouldn't just keep going especially if it isn't nutritionally useful. This is an evening problem. I don't do it the rest of the day. Being more mindful is probably the way to solve it.

And sleep. I do keep saying that sleep is an issue but it is a bit the reverse of food really. I keep seeing how much I can do without and it isn't good. Maybe I should tackle that first but I am not sure the weight problem can wait that long.

I am an 18/20 but sadly more at the 20 end than the 18 at the moment. I dream of being 14/16 again. grin

Actually there is another thing I disagree with ppeat about - weighing yourself. If I went by my clothes feeling looser or tighter I could have put on a stone which would be pretty disastrous, so I have to weigh regularly. When I did the Alternate Day thing about 3 years ago, before starting Pauling, I lost 2.5 stone and barely moved in clothes size. I went from 20 to almost an 18 (I wore a mix of 18s and 20s). I think I am an unfortunate shape. I am curvy/pear shaped and I think I am right in saying that designers are designing for the more boyish figure these days without a waist but with smaller hips (not sure where I read it but that is what is seems like to me). All that happens when I lose weight is that my already loose waistbands get a bit looser but my hips don't reduce enough to go down a size. A bit depressing really. When I was 9.5st with a BMI of 21 I still had to wear size 14 trousers. Still, being a size 14 is a pipe dream for the moment so I shall have to keep plugging away.

Rulesgirl Tue 04-Jun-13 18:25:56

Sorry, I do seem to keep going on don't I. It's just that since doing it just over a week ago I'm finding it amazing. Like a voice saying....you've had enough now. And I listen.I'm curvy hourglass peary too and agree clothes are made for boyish figures.

Yes, you have a bit but you clearly think it is working and want to share. Nothing wrong with that. smile

Rulesgirl Wed 05-Jun-13 11:57:01

hehe!!! BBB I will say no more!!!! I'm so losing weight though ....ha ha grin

Rulesgirl Wed 05-Jun-13 12:00:26

Day three ....of this glorious glorious weather. I could get used to this. Mind you I would miss winter if I had this every single day. I'm Australian so grew up with this weather but longed for some rain cold and snow occasionally. So ladies hows the Pauling going?

The same weather every day would be boring. i don't like it really hot and I would rather be cold and try and keep warm than be hot and try and cool down.

Pauling, what's pauling? Not had the best day. Nothing huge but a little catalogue of inconveniences and cock-ups and a grade A chauvinistic builder.

We are having a proper porch made rather than the open sided thing we have now. The builder turned up this morning. We were discussing what sort of bricks to use as they don't make the ones used in our house but apparently DH has to chose the alternative bricks, I can't. hmm

DH couldn't care less so long as they are not glaringly different and he is colour blind anyway. I had to go out today or I would have taken him to task there and then. As it is, I am concocting cutting put downs for tomorrow when I tell the builder which bricks I have chosen.grin

Anyway, not much mindful eating going on. I had a Kitkat for lunch after my sandwich, just because. I did have to go out and buy it though so that sort of mitigates the bad effects. It was very nice but not actually necessary. I shall do better over tea now I settled down a bit.

Hope everybody else's day has been OK.

God I sound like a grump. blush

What I should have said was that the current weather is very pleasant and not too hot so I am not wishing for cold weather yet. Just don't want it to get over say, 25C. At the moment it still has novelty value. If it were like this until September and we had hosepipe bans and people stressing about water shortages I might be a bit bored.

Rulesgirl Wed 05-Jun-13 17:42:43

ha ha!!. I would rather like it to be hot and like this all through till October please!!!! lol !! Bloody cheeky builder....who does he think he is saying that the "man" has to choose the bricks. Doesn't trust the little ladys opinion obviously. Thinks you should stay indoors with a pinny I guess. Well, his attitude would have definitely thrown you off with your eating and would have had anyone grabbing for a bit of chocolate or more.
Im supposed to be doing a TMA for Uni but am already late with it and cant seem to settle down to it. But I will.....in a minute......or so!!! Just got offered a new job so that's nice. Hopefully will have an interview for another soon.

Rulesgirl Wed 05-Jun-13 17:44:50

O, nearly forgot, eating still going really well and still listening to the tape every night or every morning. Some of the ladies on the other thread are weighing in on a Monday to spur them along. Wasn't sure at first as it can smack of "diets" but thought.....why not....im losing quiet well with this GBH so .........!!!

Rulesgirl Wed 05-Jun-13 17:45:53

Its a bit like the BBB and Rulesgirl thread at the moment. grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Wed 05-Jun-13 17:51:15

Well hello laydees. I appear to have fallen off the thread! Not too surprising with a tiny baby I guess. Not so tiny though, she is gaining well - weighed 8lb 6oz on Friday so had gained 3lb 2oz by 7 weeks! She feels chunkier now smile

I have determined to start Pauling properly again. I am getting exercise taking her out in the pushchair walking round the village. Has been good for me physically and psychologically. However I've been eating when I don't think I'm really hungry which I need to sort out. I managed to listen last night (my speakers on my phone are broken but I found headphones work). Today I have made better choices and snacked less. It really does make a difference!

Rulesgirl Wed 05-Jun-13 18:17:22

Hi Faith . Getting out with your baby really helps you feel better doesn't it. Whenever I had a rough day and walk to the park or the shops always refreshed me and put me in a more positive frame of mind. Are you still breastfeeding? Just wondered cause that can make you hungrier. Good on you for listening to the cd. They really help keep you on track don't they. Bet your enjoying the nice weather as your not stuck indoors with little one.

Yes, I reckon bf can mess with eating. I wonder if your body may even be telling you to keep fuelled up without being hungry? It probably isn't good to get too hungry when you have a baby to feed - not sure if that is true but so long as you aren't eating junk I think you have to trust your body to know best when it comes to feeding. <<disclaimer - that might have been where it all went to pot for me so tread with caution grin>>

Rules - are you doing OU? The dreaded letters TMA stir deep seated, disturbing memories.

HadALittleFaithBaby Wed 05-Jun-13 19:09:35

Yes very pleased to say I'm still EBF smile I express for one bottle for the evening - DH comes in, we have tea then he does bath and bottle. I get 30 mins to myself!

Sadly I have been eating lots of junk! Far too much processed sugar. Yet today after Pauling I have eaten much better. For lunch I had a GF wrap - new from Warburtons! - with hoummous, carrot and cucumber. It was yummy! It's getting easier now Faithlet will settle in the bouncy chair while I eat!

Yes Rules it's lovely to get out. Didn't plan when I'd get pregnant but April birth is brilliant.

It is a lovely time of year for a baby - maximises the best bits of maternity leave.

Well done on expressing. I never managed it regularly - DS1 particularly didn't let up feeding long enough to let me properly recharge. Greedy child.

Still, I look at him today, well built, as tall as me even though he is only 12 and I am 5' 7" and not short and it was worth it. I built himgrin

I hope you are feeling proud of yourself, Faith. I think MN gives the impression that bf is more common than it really is. If your eating goes a bit awry, you are building a human too, don't beat yourself up and celebrate the good days like today. I am sure they will get more regular.

DH agrees with me on the choice of bricks by the way. He's going to tell the builders to ask me for payment when the time comes, let them know who really is boss grin

veryberrybug Wed 05-Jun-13 22:15:54

hello, glad the summer weather's cheering folk up smile

felt a bit uncomfortable with bb's comments about pp, i personally am eternally grateful for eating advice from her: she's never been pushy or giving unwanted promotion of blood type, but rather when someone has a problem she has gently suggested they might give it a go if they want to & see if it helps. it's just what you do when you find something that really works for you - you tell others because you'd like them to feel the same benefit you do. i think she did it in the nicest possible way. i feel sooo much better for leaving wheat out & i've found plenty of alternatives so it's not just about cutting out big groups of food. considering this thread is about having a healthy attitude to food, i think discussion of other health- & food-related topics is totally reasonable.

faith eat what you like when you're BFing, what with walking the buggy & making the best nosh in the world for faithlet you'll burn it all off! i did & easily returned to pre-pregnant thinness without effort & including all the baking available at mum & baby/toddler groups! my dad once told me wise words (& he was a good doctor & very wise!) "you can do without food for a bit, & you can do without sleep for a bit, but you cannot do without both" so while one's in short supply, don't worry about the other!

keep charging up your solar panels girls! grin

OK. You are entitled to your opinion veryberry but it makes me uncomfortable. As I said to Rules I was happy to stay out of the way if people want to discuss diets on this thread but it isn't what it is about for me.

Rulesgirl Thu 06-Jun-13 00:10:34

Hi Ladies.

Very I think that BBB and some of the other ladies on here (who don't seem to be on any more) were and have been trying to do Pauling plain and simple. In that you do the four golden rules just as they are.
Its about getting away from talk about foods that are good for you or bad for you in any way. Its putting food in its rightful place which is eat when your hungry, eat what you want etc. To be honest the lovely pp talks about her Blood Group Diet all the time and from everything she has said it would seem that she has lost weight primarily from eliminating a lot of food from her woe for perceived health benefits to her. A lot of the time when someone mentions an ailment she tries to guess their blood type and suggests what to cut out. I for one love a bacon sandwich or a pork chop and it is offputting to be told that eating pig is like eating a human and that pork is the worse thing to eat out of all the meats. So to be fair, it is not really in the spirit of Paul McKenna I can make you thin is it? Im trying to eat like a normal slim person and lose the diet mentality that tells me to eat this and not eat that. Sorry if you feel offended but we are all entitled to our opinions I feel....you as well. There are quite a few ladies who have actually stopped using the thread because of all the talk of food eliminating and the blood group which is a shame because it is primarily a support thread for those of us who really really want this to work just the way it is. smile

I think perhaps gluten intolerance deserves its own thread - I totally understand that going GF has health benefits for a few people and it would be very useful to talk about how to be GF in a world where gluten is everywhere.

However, you can't assume that going GF is the panacea of all ills because most people don't have an issue with it. Hell, when I had IBS years ago, before the children were born, the only thing that didn't make me feel worse was toast - anything meaty or dairy and even too much fruit and veg would give me horrible cramps. I managed to de-stress my life a bit, drank more fluids and eventually I got it under control. It had nothing to do with carbs and gluten and even now when it is well under control, if I start to feel under the weather, the first thing to drop is meat as it seems like too much work to digest iyswim.

I think the blood type thing is a separate issue and it is sold as a diet - I refer you to the first paragraph of the first page of the book which you can see on Amazon. It is about losing weight so I don't really think it has a place on this thread which is specifically about not dieting.For me the blood type thing doesn't work and besides, I don't think there is sufficient scientific evidence.

And yes Rules is right. It comes up all the time on this thread. Take a look over the thread as I did yesterday, because I wanted to see if I was making a fuss over nothing. Take out the social chit chat posts and have a look how much is about Pauling and how much is about GF and/or blood type - there is a lot of talk of blood types and GF.

And forgive me but this thread is not about health, it is about losing weight without dieting. Of course that has massive health implications but our primary motivation is losing weight which is why it is in this topic and not under a health.

I wish ppeat was here actually. I feel a bit bad this is coming out now when she is away. I had a big conversation with her last week about it but not on this thread and I think her view would be interesting. ppeat, if you are out there, I am not having a go at you at all. You are lovely but I feel like I don't fit on this thread any more despite the fact that I am Pauling and I am not alone in that. I just think we need to be clear that this thread is primarily about Pauling and not any other health issue or diet. You can't completely separate the two out but at the moment the balance is all wrong imo. You know this has come up in the past and it has been brilliant that we have been able to regroup and move forward with Pauling as the focus so I hope we can do it again.smile

Rulesgirl Thu 06-Jun-13 13:00:13

Hi Ladies,
BBB I'm sure pp will be along soon to talk to us grin
To be honest the talk of some foods being bad for us does derail me somewhat. I start to think about eliminating things again, but if I do that then I'm back to the food anguish diet mentality and I really want to get away from it. Some of you eliminating certain foods like wheat and dairy will definitely lose weight as most people who cut wheat out can lose water weight of ten pounds easily but that is what it is.

Solo Thu 06-Jun-13 14:09:59

Just marking my place til I can get back here. smile

Rulesgirl Thu 06-Jun-13 14:21:10

Solo.....smile

Rulesgirl Thu 06-Jun-13 19:32:07

Very if you don't mind me asking, you said to Faith that you lost all your pregnancy weight.....can I ask how you put it on again then? What caused you to start gaining?

Rulesgirl Fri 07-Jun-13 14:50:50

IWell its another beautiful day here . Sun is shining....yay.....windows open.....sigh!!!!! I was finishing off an essay last night.....5am in the morning ....up all night doing it then DH came in off night shift and we watched the last ever episode of Mash on tv. I cried. Don't think I had ever seen the end before. Essay done and emailed to tutor. Then we went to bed. Just got up. ha ha!!!
Found I ate more yesterday......nothing major just nibbled more...bit mindlessly really....think it was the stress of doing the overdue essay and knowing that it had to be sent today that did it. Also I didn't eat proper meals at any time....just grazed and nibbled. When that happens my immediate reaction is "diet". What diet can I do to eat less....that sort of mentality. I don't go on one but its interesting how that is my brains first reaction before I give it a talking to. I lost 3lbs last week and this week is yet to be seen but think its about 1lb but of course that is good in the great scheme of things as it will keep coming off and eventually I will have lost half a stone and then a stone....as long as I don't go back to my old habits which derail me. Sometimes with this woe I get scared that im going to just go nuts and eat everything in sight because im eating very little at the moment...naturally with pauling. But of course that doesn't happen and as long as I listen to the cd, eat mindfully and don't start thinking of other ways to try and lose weight then it will work just as its meant too. The hardest bit with this woe is believing and sticking it out rather than going for the quick fix mentality or the leaving out certain foods method. In the past when I have left out food groups, yes I lost weight quickly but within weeks, sometimes days or even hours...you would find me craving a piece of bread or a chunk of cheese etc. So today is a new day and im not going to derail myself. he he!!! thanks for listening.

You sound in a good place today Rules - sun is shining, TMA finished (you didn't say what you were studying and I am nosey having done the OU TMA thing myself for far too long in the past), weight has been lost and eating going well. We can afford to eat less than perfectly occasionally. It won't derail us because we know if doesn't matter and next time we eat it will be better. You don't even have to wait until the next day to start again, you can just start again from now if you need to.

Always bear in mind that no matter how badly you go off the rails you need to eat an extra 3,500 calories to put on a lb in weight (I know we don't count calories but bear with me) which is over 1.5 days worth of food. You would have to stuff your face with a whole cheesecake to come close to eating a extra 1.5 days worth of food in addition to what you normally eat, and who can manage that?!! You can't do much damage to your weight by the odd episode of nuttiness so you can worry less about it and the urge to sabotage yourself will go away.

You must be knackered too so that isn't helping but tomorrow you will, hopefully, be less knackered and more mindful.

Congratulations on your losses. Hope the scales are kind to you. smile

Rulesgirl Fri 07-Jun-13 17:33:48

Thank you so much BBB. Yep am tired and was actually thinking that its not fair and I should lose weight so much quicker. And then I was thinking that I should give up wheat and carbs etc etc etc. Nearly went down that bloody route but talked myself back in time cause that never ever has worked for me as I love bread too much. So my pep talk to myself helped but what you said really really really helped pull me back from the edge. So thankyou once again.
Im studying Business and Management. Who knows where it may lead yet but im taking it one tma at a time. What did you study with the OU?
grin lol !

I did psychology Rules. You would think I would be more up for hypnotism thing as a result but no, I don't want my mind messed with. I can do that all by myself. grin

I think it would be an interesting experiment to give ourselves permission to have every single thing we fancied regardless of whether we are hungry or not, for no other reason than we want it and it tastes nice. I really do reckon we would eat nothing or next to nothing extra to what we would normally. it is the forbidden-ness (is that even a word) that makes us want it so you are right not to ban stuff imo. grinwink

I am knackered today too. Stupid cough was annoying last night. Every time I tried to lie down and go to sleep, it started. I was out today though - I am a governor and it was school's strategic planning meeting. We had lunch at the chair of governors' house. She provided a nice lunch but interestingly no bread or butter. Not often people don't try to fill you up with bread. There were a few crackers for some cheese but that was it. It was nice though.

Very low carb. Well apart from the sausage rolls and the quiche. grin

Sorry, I meant my experiment as a one off, for one day, not for an indeterminate length of time. That would just eating the pre-Pauling way and not a good idea. shock

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 07-Jun-13 18:04:37

Hello! Rules PM'd me so I thought I would pop along and say hello.

BBB - I could do pretty serious damage to a cheesecake and still eat normal meals <ahem> grin

I'm doing ok, but back on antidepressants to deal with some horrible anxiety I've been having and my full signal has been switched off. When I was on ADs before was when I got really really heavy so I'm desperate for that not to happen again.

So - I will rejoin the thread and start listening to the CD again I think, I need to do something to focus, and the prospect of a holiday in 7 weeks time doesn't seem to be doing it, quite the opposite in fact.

I know we don't often talk numbers on here, but just for my own motivation - today I was 12 stone 13.

Faith - yay on the EBF smile I know you had a tough start so really well done! I do think that BFing interferes with Pauling to some extent, because it is an extra call on your calories, but IME it is still possible to see good steady (if slow) weight loss even when you have a young baby.

Rulesgirl Fri 07-Jun-13 18:24:51

Hi A glad your back. Need all the support we can get x

Cupcake1982 Fri 07-Jun-13 21:00:41

Evening ladies, hope you don't mind me joining you!
I have actually made an appearance here in the past but I just didn't give it enough time to be honest.
I am a very all or nothing person in all areas of my life and this is especially true with food!!
I have either been on or off a diet for the past 12 years and all that happens is I gain more and more weight!
When I have done pm in the past I have lost weight so I know it works smile
I was debating the original pm approach and the gastric band but to be honest when I tried the gastric band book at the start of the year it did nothing for me sad
I really need to do something about my relationship with food for good as it is so destructive.
I have been researching diets today and it just makes me feel so panicky, hence why I have ended up here as I know this is the most natural approach.
Any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated, Thank you smile x

Rulesgirl Fri 07-Jun-13 22:05:40

Hi Cupcake.....nice to hear from you. I remember you from earlier. I think the key to this is to not let the lure of the "diet" in any shape or form or "disordered eating methods" lure you back. I know how you feel, you think that your not losing enough, not quick enough etc etc so you look up diets and the one that you think you could stick to and the one that lets you eat what you like. Thing is though they all deprive you of food in one form or another. Whether its by counting calories or by removing a food group or starving one day and overeating the next. None of them are just eating like a normal person. And that is what we really want isn't it. To have a normal healthy non disorded view of food and put it back where it belongs....as a source of energy. Like you I have spent many many years....too many really.....thinking that if only I could just eat less then I will be the weight I want to be. But....that never worked. How many times do we have to "diet" before we realise that they just don't work. Not long term. You could cut out bread and drop water weight but you would then crave bread and gain the weight and some back again.

SirRaymondClench Fri 07-Jun-13 22:21:55

Just found you guys!
Hi everyone!
I am doing PM too. Last week I lost 3lb but this week everything seems to have ground to a halt.

Rulesgirl Fri 07-Jun-13 22:34:36

Hi Clench nice to see you on this thread as well smile

Hello ladies. Welcome back Alibaba and also cupcake and hello to SirRaymondClench (do you prefer Sir Raymond or Clench)

Just a flying visit - Dh has gone to get a take away. We don't have them often but we have a bit of a weird weekend so we are makinife a bit easier. I shall bave to be mindful though - I am not that hungry. It is a bit early for me.

Hope everybody has some sunshine to enjoy.

Rulesgirl Sat 08-Jun-13 18:45:54

Enjoy takeaway....just eat until that little feeling comes that says .....done.

Rulesgirl Sat 08-Jun-13 18:47:03

For me it's after about two mouthfulls of each item. I could carry on but don't need to. grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 08-Jun-13 19:47:03

Ooh newbies and re-returners! How luffly!

Great to see you Ali! I had GF raspberry cheesecake on Monday, it was marvellous! Yes the success with EBF is brilliant. I'm pretty proud of her (and me!).

Sorry to hear you're getting anxiety. I have issues with that. My GP got me to do a HADS score recently because I went in quite sleep deprived and cried a lot. I'm not depressed but my anxiety was up a bit. I explained that I am always a bit anxious and I'm a new Mum! I know it'd tough with the weight and tablets. When my anxiety was really bad I got very low and stopped eating. It was like my hunger switched off. I did gain a fair bit starting on the tablets as I started feeling better. I'm confident if you follow the rules and listen to Paul you can avoid the gain.

Hello to Sir! Great start. Hopefully sticking with this thread will keep you motivated.

Hi cupcake. Welcome back smile I'm not comfortable with the idea of the gastric band so I'm just Pauling. As you say, it does work!

I have bought a sports bra to contain my large milky buzzwams and plan to start C25K on Monday or Tuesday. Quite looking forward to it! smile

Same thing happened to me Faith. I suffered from badly from anxiety in late teens and 20's and early 30's more or less up until I had DS1 but as soon as I had it under control I started to pile on weight. I would rather not be anxious of course and I am glad that food isn't so stressful (used to worry about eating too much and feeling ill, eating out and all sorts as well as loads of orher stuff) but it was like I was suddenly set free in a sweetshop with endless pocket moneyand no rules. Weird. Not surprisingly I put on weight. It was the start of the slippery slope to now.

IME HCP make you cry like nobody else. My HV kept looking at me like hmm because she would ask me simple questions about sleep and feeding DS and every single time I would well up. It was purely tiredness and never happened with anybody else. She was worried I had PND and I don't think she believed my screening test at all. I swear she thought I fudged it. blush

Ali - I hope the tablets work. Have you tried CBT? That worked for me best but I know we are all different.

Cupcake1982 Sat 08-Jun-13 20:55:34

Evening ladies, not a great day today to be honest! bbq at a friends resulted in to much food and wine!!! Tomorrow I am off out for the day so will try and be a bit better! I am hoping to find time to listen to the cd tomorrow too! xx

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 08-Jun-13 21:19:45

Don't despair cupcake BBQs are a big challenge with this WOE, it's a grazing concept isn't it?!

BB worst thing before my appt was they had BBC24 one with the trial about Tia. Hearing what had happened to her and thinking what her Mum went through hearing it made me cry. Not ideal right before I saw the GP! I had been struggling a bit anyway but now Faithlet's reflux is being treated we're all happier smile

veryberrybug Sat 08-Jun-13 21:22:58

hello all
sorry for the delayed response: i wasny away in the cream puff wink just busy! bbb fair enough, as you said opinions differ & we're all entitled to them. i tend to think that i can read stuff & choose to leave it if it's not what i'm up for, as per the pork products: i love bacon & ham, so don't think i'll cut them out happily, so i won't. but i hear what you're saying about it being mentionned fairly frequently, & i can see how that's a problem if you came on the thread looking not to hear about diets at all. i suppose i just thought the blood type diet was a different category of diet, i'd understood it to be more of an approach to healthy living for your whole body with weight loss as a side effect, rather than weightloss being the main aim. his intro states "blood type is the key that unlocks the door to the mysteries of health, disease, longevity, physical vitality & emotional strength... susceptibility to illness, which foods you should eat & how you should exercise... factor in your energy levels, efficiency with which you burn calories, emotional response to stress" i don't see this in the same light as "eat this to lose weight" diets.
blimey i like what you say about having to eat 3,500 cals to gain 1lb! i'd heard that the other way around as "this is what you need to lose 1lb" & thought "oh crap!" but it's nicer turned on it's head smile how on earth does it seem so much easier to gain weight than lose it then???!! grin

rules i totally relate to what you're saying about restriction making you crave stuff, i have to admit i felt frightened by that when cutting out wheat, but happily i've found alternatives easily, so not missing out at all. still cereal for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch mmm. & a couple of times when i accidentally ate wheat (jings i never thought sausages would have bloody wheat in!) it really disagreed with me (i could've raised a couple of hot air balloons hehe!) & i was left thinking "i can really live without feeling like that"! so not feeling deprived but glad i know how to feel better. WRT pp losing weight solely from the blood type, i found an old thread (9 i think) with her saying she couldny believe her size twelves were loose etc (ie. weight loss talk) only~2yrs ago, but she said she'd been doing blood type for ~13yrs now... so pauling seems to have been the more recent reason for successful weightloss.
my weight gain, however, was not baby-related. when pregnant i went up from 8stone to 12stone (of which 6lbs was baby urg!) but lost it all again no bother. 9 months up, 9 months down. same with DD2. but after repeated depression before kids & PND after, i was put on different antidepressants as the previous ones stopped working. new ones main side effects were APPETITE which as a naturally thin person i didn't know how to ignore, because i'd only ever had appetite when i actually required nourishment before. so i ate, just extra bits mid-morning & evening & became ~3.5 stone heavier. when i was first on them for 1yr, i put on a stone & then when i stopped taking them it just fell off me. but after DD2 i've been put on them for keeps & though i'm no longer gaining weight, i just don't seem to be able to sustainably lose it <sigh>

are these the ones you're on ali ADs called mirtazipine? asides fe moaning though my headspace is much better. they really work, but if only i'd known about pauling when i started taking them! hope you're feeling better.

hada guffaw at buzzwams grin you go girl with the C25K, i'm sure i was still leaving the house in baffies at your stage so am well impressed!

tallulahmay Sat 08-Jun-13 22:52:22

Hi everyone, haven't been on here for ages. I haven't listened to Paul for ages either, have got some big horrible problems going on ~ massive financial difficulties, feel like my marriage is disintegrating and I've got to find a new job. I'm miserable and stressed and my eating has gone completely out of control. I feel so angry with myself because I know that it's probably the only thing I can control at the moment, but every day I start with the best of intentions and every night I'm on amazon looking at a different diet book. It's awful. Anyway, I'm here again. I'm going to listen to the cd and try to resist the lure of the diet industry! Xx

Rulesgirl Sun 09-Jun-13 02:37:17

Hi * Talla* ....it's hard not to fall into the diet trap again isn't it. But that's one of the reasons we overeat is because of diets. We think we have blown it so eat more until we're stuck in a cycle. Sorry your having troubles. Like you said one thing you can control I'd your eating, and by doing this woe you can be successful. It might take months but eventually you will crack this method and for good. You said your marriage is falling apart....anything you want to talk about?

Rulesgirl Sun 09-Jun-13 02:38:37

Tallu sorry....

Rulesgirl Sun 09-Jun-13 03:06:27

Hi very. To me the blood group diet is no different to atkins, low carb, hay diet, paleo diet....etc. They are all based on their own versions of so called healthy eating and all claim to restore health etc. but at the end of the day they all complicate the rather simple process of eating in my opinion. Of course if bread causes bloating then why not leave it out as you are doing but gf free options are often full of rubbish in their own way and a long list of ingredients. Anyway, apart from that very hows the pming working for you. Have you tried the band again? smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 09-Jun-13 09:28:19

Morning all smile

Well yesterday wasn't the greatest start! We went up to SIL's for a family get together, and I ate far too much - partly because I had a fair amount of wine, but also because we were outside and it was bloody freezing so my body was craving food!

Onwards today.

Rulesgirl Sun 09-Jun-13 13:29:35

Hi Ali .....awww wine always makes eating more food sooo easy doesn't it. wink Nevermind todays another day.

veryberrybug Sun 09-Jun-13 22:35:38

oh gawd, what a mad last few days. this time of term always seems to have so much going on & stuff inbetween too! but with that has gone out the window my time to eat slowly & relaxingly <grr> & i haveny been clocking when i'm full so much, though i don't feel like i've really overeaten drastically i may have had a little more than what's required on a regular basis IYSWIM. before, i'd watched the video link to a youtube thing of how to recognise the full signal, checking in after each mouthful etc & had started doing that, but now i've been more or less eating what's on my plate. reasonable sized not massive portions, but maybe didny need it all? i dunno cos i never checked angry so feeling fed up with myself. totally exacerbated by going uptown clothes shopping with kids for summer stuff today: earlier in week found last years size 12 longs too tight, so went to get 14's & OH LORDY NO had to get 16's <aaarrgh> bloody hell! added to that the changing room hilighting my blubber i think i'll just lie under my towel of shame on the beach when we get to france sad

tallulah hi & sorry you're having a pants time. i know what you mean about the lure of diets, i found myself accepting "herbalife" weightloss challenge flier at gala day when i should have walked on by...

ali at family gatherings i scoff more too, often cos i'm there blethering & no stopping to think if actually hungry or no (& cos aunty marianne's buffet is bloomin marvellous!)

hi rules ISWYM about "healthy" diets, i hadny clocked there being so many of them. good point about unecessary complication, i just found it interesting how some of it tallied with my natural eating urges (before i learnt to squash my intuition! with "shoulds & oughts")
thanks for asking i've given up on HGB until i try the EFT clench reccommended, just seemed a pointless half hour when nuffin happenned. glad it's working for you envy

right everyone let's start monday with a PMA! we can do this thing! grin

Rulesgirl Sun 09-Jun-13 22:59:58

Hivery god...isn't that the worse place to be...in the changing room looking at your self naked. At our most vulnerable. That's when all your insecurities come out. I hope no one minds me saying but the problem seems to be that of not following the 4 rules all the time. I might be way off here and I'm sorry if I am but people seem to be using the 4 rules the same way that they do with dieting as in ignore them and overeat and then start again tomorrow. I think if this is to actually work you have to do it every time you eat otherwise arnt you just ignoring your bodies signals. Again sorry if I'm being too simplisticsmile

Tinwe Mon 10-Jun-13 01:07:14

Hello! I'm a newbie to the thread. I've done Paul McKenna before but lost slowly and eventually lost interest. I really agree with the principles, enjoyed it and thought it made a lot of sense.

I've been trying to lose weight most of my adult life but was finally doing well losing for my wedding (2 stone), then got pregnant! Two babies in close succession later and I'm keen to get back on track. This plan is the most flexible to fit with my lifestyle so I'm keen to get some fellow followers for company and to keep me on track. smile

Rulesgirl Mon 10-Jun-13 13:46:58

Hi Tin.....welcome. How much did you lose last time you did PM.smile

Rulesgirl Mon 10-Jun-13 14:31:45

Hi very hows you. Be good to see how you get on with the EFT. But what is a PMA please......smile that we are starting Monday (today).??
With regards to you not knowing when your full.....well.....for me its after about 4 mouthfuls. I can stop then cause the urgency to eat is gone. Its just not feeling desperate to eat anymore. Ok, you shouldn't get to the desperate stage but somewhere close to it where your really hungry and food tastes so amazing cause you really are hungry and then after a couple of mouthfuls your body is better. That's where thin people eat anything and everything I not gain weight I think. They just eat a little bit and then stop and then eat again later if they are hungry again. PM is not a miracle though, he gives you the tools and you have to work hard at being mindful and taste each mouthful. For me when the mouthful is not as PLEASUREABLE as the first mouthful, then I know im done.

HadALittleFaithBaby Mon 10-Jun-13 14:38:18

Tin welcome to the thread! smile

Rules to be fair I think everyone is doing their best to apply the rules. IME years of 'dieting' and being 'good' or 'bad' does result in wobbles at times. I don't think anyone is going with the attitude of thinking they can blow out because they can just start again but slips happen and the joy of Pauling is unlike any diet I've done, he anticipates this and says its ok. I am wary of criticising anyone on the thread because I think it clashes with the way Pauling works and could end up alienating people.

Rulesgirl Mon 10-Jun-13 14:55:39

Yes you are absolutely right Faith. Im very sorry , if I could have removed that post I would have cause it came out all wrong. I was trying to work out why we end up overeating (as I do too) and had been rereading PM book and it just came out....but not how I meant it. So again sorry .....didn't mean to criticise any one....just thinking on my feet but getting it wrong.

Hi ladies,

Sorry I've not been around. The PIL came yesterday so I didn't go near a computer until late - there was much manic cleaning before they came and then lots of cooking and coffee making when they were here. At least I was not tempted to overeat. Lots of cooking puts me right off my food which is good thing I suppose - it isn't that I am a bad cook, just that I get bored with it. Perhaps I should become a chef and really get the opportunity not to want to look at my own plate of food on a daily basis. It could do wonders for my waistline!grin

Today I haven't eaten much as I am knackered. I have been to work, worked on a very dull client who thinks laws are not for them and puts every single receipt they own through their business accounts so I have spent the day wading through bits of paper and marvelling at what people spend their money on. I was already worn out before work because DS2 came looking for me in the middle of the night complaining about bad dreams. Apparently a raven sat on his head and forced his face into the ground. Not sure why that required him share - you would think by now (he is 9) that he would have been passed night time roaming. And then this afternoon he needs his clean school uniform washed again - he had blobs of bird poo from the school field on his sweatshirt and shorts. Apparently everybody is covered in it.hmm There is a certain justice to it except that the punishment has landed on me as I now have to wash and iron everything again and it was all clean on this morning. <<sigh>>

I shall go and read the posts properly now. Have only managed to skim so far. Hope the rest of you are doing OK today.

HadALittleFaithBaby Mon 10-Jun-13 17:32:04

Tis ok Rules, didn't want to sound harsh. Just wanted to be ensure this is an encouraging environment! smile

Rulesgirl Mon 10-Jun-13 17:32:53

Thanks.

veryberrybug Mon 10-Jun-13 17:59:15

hi everyone!

rules no worries i didn't take it as criticism, as PM said himself you have to commit to this to make it work. it just seems like as soon as life happens it's the first thing to go... i'd like to get to the point where it's internalised so that i do it automatically & don't have to keep fighting he urge to scoff for taste not hunger/eat fast. like after i'd done CBT & was no longer attending sessions, i thought i'd sort of forgotten until doc pointed out to me i was doing it without thinking, it was just what happened when i had an unreasonable thought that i challenged it. but i've heard it takes 3 weeks to make a new habit, so i must be getting distracted before that point. meh. i so want this to work! thanks for the pleasurable tip, that's a good pointer. smile still no done EFT, been helping at sports day all day & now it's finished the sun's out!
PMA is positive mental attitude!

tin hello & welcome. it'll be nice having someone else doing it newly too. we can share in the advice of the old-timers who know what they're doing a bit more!

Very - I think that it happens to a lot of us. Life has a habit of getting in the way.

The beauty of Pauling is that you don't have to start again tomorrow. You can restart straight away if you think you have gone wrong. If you over eat, just don't eat again until you are hungry and you are back on track. Simples grin

Only of course it doesn't feel simple. I think the temptation is to still think that you have to wait until tomorrow to start again and to continue making the same mistakes that sent you off course so that the whole day goes wrong iyswim.

Cupcake1982 Mon 10-Jun-13 19:48:31

Sorry I haven't been back on here. I have been so busy and just haven't had the chance to re-read the book and get going with pm! On my next day off (prob Thurs) I will have a good read, listen to the cd and focus on ME! smile

tallulahmay Mon 10-Jun-13 20:31:15

Hi cupcake I think I need to concentrate

tallulahmay Mon 10-Jun-13 20:38:03

Oops! Really do need to concentrate....

... on me for a bit. Still haven't listened to cd yet, had a massive tea and have just sat and scoffed two bits of cake. I think a big problem I have is going for hours without food and then getting so hungry I eat loads. Was up for a few hours in the night with my youngest and then had a really busy day at work. Tiredness doesn't bode well for mindful eating, at least not for me.

Thank you for concern (so sorry can't remember who and am on phone so is difficult to scroll back and see) but both the marriage and the money problems are really complicated (are these things ever easy?!)

Will listen to paul tonight, and will take some snacks with me tomorrow so I don't wolf loads when I do get to eat a meal. I find it so soothing and reassuring to know that every episode of eating is an opportunity to do so calmly and mindfully. I might not do it much, but I know it's there!!

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tallulahmay Mon 10-Jun-13 20:38:49

Bloody phone!!!

I just wanted to say thanks for be

tallulahmay Mon 10-Jun-13 20:39:10

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tallulahmay Mon 10-Jun-13 20:40:47

The sugar from the cakes is clearly affecting my hand-eye coordination.... Thank you for being here and sharing so much, it's really helpful and I'm going away now!!

Rulesgirl Mon 10-Jun-13 21:19:58

Hitallu sorry your so tired. Going tired and hungry does stop mindfulness doesn't it cause you go beyond normal hunger onto * got to eat now' .

veryberrybug Mon 10-Jun-13 22:46:57

oh yeah i second, no third that, tiredness is my trigger to eat shite & too fast. it's like it makes my body go into crisis mode in which calm & mindful doesny exist! just seeking sugar to keep going. also the leaving it too long thing, especially when you're busy, then get a chance & inhale a whole chicken in 2.9 nanoseconds grin

cheers bbb that's a nice way to put it, yes the waiting until tomorrow to restart is definitely a diet mentality. i had a lovely mindfulness teacher who once said "there is no time like just now. why not just do it now & take it from here?" she was talking about me considering giving up smoking but i wanted to sit down & have a fag while i thought about it LOL!! (did manage in the end hurrah!) but with eating it's annoying when i genuinely don't remember until i've finished, i've done the "what do i really want thing" & then suddenly i come to & i've finished, having mindfully noticed about 3 intermittent mouthfuls...hmm

Tinwe Tue 11-Jun-13 00:49:09

Hi back to Rules and Very (and everyone else too)! Nice to be part of a thread which is moving quickly grin

Interesting thoughts about mindful eating being harder if you're tired/stressed. There's studies proven that stress affects hormones which regulate hunger too apparently. I know when I'm tired I definitely subconsciously reach for sugary foods more for a lift. I think sugar triggers me to start a splurge phase for some reason too as well as garlic bread, crisps, dip, pizza...

I, personally, find it hard to only 'eat when I'm hungry' at the moment as I'm so busy at home and work. I may be at the right hunger stage when I'm in a meeting and by the time lunch time comes I'm well past that. My lunchtime varies so my body can't adjust to a pattern. This was one of the problems I had last time, I completely killed my appetite. confused Sounds good but ignoring hunger/making myself eat when I wasn't hungry was against all the golden rules and meant that it became easier to over indulge too! Maybe if I stuck with it longer it would sort itself out though?

My other difficulty is eating exactly what I fancy when I'm already cooking 2 different meals for DDs and DH... Any tips on that?

I can't remember exactly but I think I lost about 3/4 - 1 stone last time. Hoping for at least 2 stones this time. Got a wedding in October to aim for...

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 11-Jun-13 10:21:02

Tiredness is such an issue for me, I get huge sugar cravings when I'm sleep deprived which just blows any kind of hunger signal out of the water.

Tinwe - I don't take the rule as 'eat exactly what I fancy', because it is too hard to plan life that way, for me.
To me it means that I should be eating things that I like and enjoy eating, rather than ryvita and cottage cheese because that is perceived as healthy and I think I should eat it.

veryberrybug Tue 11-Jun-13 10:36:03

tinwe what a bugger about the meeting timings etc, that's got to be hard. can you nip out to the loo/ go to a water cooler & surreptitiously eat a handful of nuts? i always keep some in my handbag, but the only meeting i've been to is parent council & i think work ones would be in a different league! but i did reach fainting point in that & just rustled in my bag & got me nuts: i felt a bit awkward but then didny care cos i felt physically better.
WRT cooking, i just cook for everyone what i fancy, or maybe vary one bit of it that's no too tricky eg. last night everyone had fish in breadcrumbs with tatties & veg, but i had a salmon fillet instead...

interesting about the stress & hunger & hormones, i saw a thing about a study which showed fatter people don't release the "full" signal hormone nearly as much as thin, & thus found it easier to go on & overeat... so all we need to do is get thin & then apparently it'll be easier to stay thin (with this WOE) grin

Veryberry - I think the noticing thing is supposed to be helped by eating with the TV off and no distractions but how many of us manage to do that? We have children and partners around, colleagues even if we eat at work. If I am home by myself it has been my habit for years to catch up on the news over lunch so even then I am not focussed on my food.

I do wonder if I did, whether I wouldn't just give up eating altogether due to the boredom of it all. grin

Seriously, if I focussed on my food, I might well notice what I am eating but I think my problem then would be not rushing to get it over and done with.

I suppose really it goes back to what you were saying about making it ingrained - you perhaps don't have to be so mindful if you able to notice the signs subconsciously and stop eating automatically. I find that every hard to achieve though. I think we all do which is why we aren't all steadily losing weight over a period of months and celebrating our successes then leaving the thread in our size 12 jeans never to return.<<daydreams momentarily>> It should be simple, the rules are simple even, but overriding years of conditioning takes a long time.

Tinwe - I think a lot of us find that our bodies fall into a pattern of being able to eat at regular times. It does take a while though. That doesn't help if you are in a meeting and hungry and your normal eating time passes but then it isn't every day so I think we have to cut ourselves some slack and think perhaps we will do better come the next meal. In the meantime I suppose being very conscious not to overeat when you can eat is the key.

WRT to eating what you want when it may not be what everybody else wants, again I think you have to use common sense to adapt the rules a tiny bit. It isn't often that you only want one thing. Whatever the rest of the family are having may not be what you really, really want to eat but so long as it is enjoyable then it isn't against the rules to eat it if you are hungry. I think you have to be practical about it or it isn't going to work. Eating because it is dinner time even if you aren't even peckish and eating things you don't much want as well would be pointless but there is a compromise to be had.

I was just pondering it really. I suppose it is like any practical skill - the rules and procedures might be simple but there are a multitude of ways of applying them. If you take driving for example. If you want to turn a corner you are supposed to check your mirrors, signal your intention and then do the manoeuvre. Really simple, not in the least bit ambiguous but still, when we come to do it, there are a multitude of ways of applying those rules and making exceptions. It isn't as easy as it seems. In the end we do it automatically and most of the time sticking to rules. I think the Pauling rules are a bit like that too really. Really simple but the application takes practice and judgement.

Oh dear. Rambling again.

I only came to the computer to pay a bill. blush

ppeatfruit Tue 11-Jun-13 13:46:22

Hello everyone grin Welcome Tinwe and SirClench your lordship are we worthy?? grin

The wedding was great fun and the sun shone!!! It was stressful though (they were doing it on a budget which had to be enlarged because the original reception venue double booked [shocked]) and 'cos DD2 had her 30th b\day the next day so we've shopped a bit tooo much!!

Ref. The blood type I know I go on about it and Veryberry kindly explained it for me thanks so from now on I'll keep me trap shut unless someone asks okay BBB??? Interestingly I needed Paul Mc to actually lose weight it's not meant to be a specific weight loss diet; it's for health, I just like to help.

DH is happy to ignore me so don't take any notice!!

Although I will say that Paul Mckenna says don't eat something if it makes you ill he also talks about obsessive weighing being unhelpful; that wasn't me BBB BTW

HadALittleFaithBaby Tue 11-Jun-13 14:00:07

Welcome back pp! Glad the wedding went off ok in the end, especially the weather. I would look into compensate about the venue! As if she had to pay more because they double booked?!

I get what you mean about the blood type diet. It's the same with me being GF - that helps my health but only Pauling that helps me lose weight. It's about the difference between what you eat and how/why you eat IMO.

Rulesgirl Tue 11-Jun-13 15:15:43

Hi Ladies....Ali are you back on track yet after the bbq?
Tin I find that if I don't want what I cook for everyone then I just have something I want......when ive cooked I don't always feel like eating. Bit like BBB. I make sure I always have all the foods I like in the house....cheeses, breads, oatcakes, olives, salad leaves, lovely chocolate biscuits, Terrys chocolate orange (omg I love them so much) and I can always manage to cobble something I fancy together. By having the foods "I " like in the house I never feel deprived cause if I want them they are there. Once I got used to that I never felt the need to overeat them again.
pp glad the wedding went well in the end and what lovely weather for it. Couldn't ask for more. grin!
BBB thanks for all the helpful advice you keep giving on this woe. It really helps to keep me focused on the long term goal of being able to eat normally. flowers

PostBellumBugsy Tue 11-Jun-13 16:05:24

hello, newbie here. I fitted my gastric band on Sunday, having read the book & learnt the Havening thing.

I'm a low carber, with portion control issues, who falls off the wagon too often, so I thought a bit of extra hypno help might be the way forward.

So far, so good - although I'm going to have to change the time I listen to the CD because it leaves me WIDE AWAKE - like really, really wide awake! So not going to listen tonight, but will set my alarm for half an hour early tomorrow & listen then.

I also don't feel full after a few mouthfulls, but I do feel full after a smaller portion of food & have no desire for pudding or to snack before meals. Should I be concerned that I don't feel full after a few mouthfulls?

Rulesgirl Tue 11-Jun-13 18:53:19

Hi*Post*.....ooooo this is a difficult post to answer. Welcome first grin . We do the 4 golden rules....eat what you want, when your hungry, eat consciously and stop as soon as your full. If your low carbing and dieting then not sure how the Hypno CD will work really. Thing is on it he tells you to eat what you want and he is very anti diets. If your just wanting to do the Paul McKenna way then it works well but its not a quick fix, its for life and we are all doing are best to practice this way. All of us (and I think I speak for all....forgive me if im wrong) do not diet as it has screwed our heads up in the past and we have finally managed to get off that merry-go-round. But sometimes we fall off and we just get back on. This thread is Paul McKenna I Can Make You Thin but there is another thread that is for the PM Gastric Band www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/1656704-I-had-my-hypno-gastric-band-fitted-by-Paul-McKenna-last-night here which you might want to have a look at. Some ladies started that thread with the intention of continuing their diets and doing the band thing but they have all dropped out now as it didn't work for them cause they were still in diet mode. Pop and have a look though if you want. Those left on it are all doing the band cd as back up but still following the 4 golden rules but no diets. grin

PostBellumBugsy Tue 11-Jun-13 20:24:31

Thanks for your really helpful reply Rulesgirl. I low carb partly because I have IBS and am wheat intolerant and partly because I'm anti processed foods.
My dieting problems are portion control, boredom eating but mostly portion control!
This is why I'm hoping the 4 golden rules will help and the gastro band might help me regain that full sensation.
I wasn't sure where to post but it seemed there was a lot of collective knowledge here. I may lurk if that's ok.

Hello ladies. Welcome back ppeat. I am glad the wedding went off OK and you certainly seem to have been lucky with the weather. Looks like that is summer over and done with and you had the best of it!

Can I just say that I don't want to fall out of the blood type diet. Of course anybody would be absolutely right to avoid eating things that made them ill. If you are gluten intolerant then don't eat gluten. My problem is that the blood type diet is marketed as a diet and although I now can't find the introduction page (can't imagine why Amazon have changed the preview pages but it seems they have) they call it a diet and we are specifically not doing diets. It just seems to me that of course you will lose weight if you cut out things from your diet. If I cut out gluten, even though I am not intolerant, I will lose weight too because I will have greatly reduced the number of calories I consume. It has nothing to do with my blood group or whether I am able to eat wheat or whatever, it is just calorie cutting so it feels out of place to me. It was getting to the point where I didn't bother posting on the thread because it seemed to have given up focusing on Pauling which is a shame.

I really do recommend Judith Wills and Escape the Fat Trap for Life. She takes a very balanced view of diets and the diet industry as a whole. She sees through the marketing spiel and gets to the nub of diet claims - it is very interesting. She also talks a lot about diet mentality and the tyranny of fat and skinny, ie. how we are sabotaging ourselves by living as fat people (keeping cupboards full of food, worrying constantly about the next meal etc) or skinny people (constantly calorie counting or buying diet food and pursuing an ideal body that we won't ever have). She is very much about eating natural whole foods and avoiding anything to do with traditional diets as most of us are.

For the record I think she gives Pauling a 4 out of 5 so we are OK. grin

Rulesgirl Tue 11-Jun-13 23:12:46

PostBellum ....it will be very interesting to see how you get on and I hope its successful. Keep on the thread .

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 00:27:09

and PostBellum no it doesn't matter it your not full after a few mouthfuls as long as you continue to check in with yourself after each mouthful as to how you feel. Sometimes we will be hungrier than at others. smile
I will have a look for that book BBB. Sounds interesting. I have to say though that for me I do keep my cupboards full and always have the foods I most like. If I know that the foods I want are in my cupboards then I never feel I cant have them and conversely don't often want them anyway....but I do know they are there which to me helps to overcome the need to ever overeat in the first place. It was important to me years ago when doing mindful eating to always have a supply of foods that I liked kept separately from the family so if I wanted them I knew they were there and they were the foods that were the opposite of the diet food I had grown up to believe were right for me. When you have what you want you usually don't want it so much smile lol !!!! wink

ppeatfruit Wed 12-Jun-13 11:17:13

Morning all Postbellum once you're used to listening to your body, chewing each mouthful 15 to 25\30 times (depending on the food of course!) and being fully conscious of it. you'll find that you get the fullness feeling faster. Sitting down properly and not dashing about straight after the meal helps too (I know that's easier said than done when you're a busy person though grin).

PostBellumBugsy Wed 12-Jun-13 11:32:33

Thank you Rules & ppea. Although it seems like common sense, the rules are quite a radical way of eating - well for me anyway.

The whole chewing 20 times has been a revelation. I had no idea how much I bolted my food. I have two DCs & one of them eats like me but my bird-like, naturally slim DD, eats like a snail and spends ages chewing each mouthful!

I also hadn't realised how much I ate "on the go". We sit down to dinner in the evening, but even then I am often hopping up and down, or eating in a really distracted way. Breakfast has always been standing up & rushing around doing all the other jobs you do in the morning & lunch is at my desk at work - while I work! So, I have ensured that I really concentrate on my meals and eating them properly the last few days. I've even got up earlier so that I could have breakfast at the table.

I still don't feel full when I eat, but I am giving myself smaller portions & don't feel hungry afterwards and have no desire to snack until the next meal.

I don't quite get the "eat what you want" thing yet either. Rules made a good point about our relationships with food being really mucked up from years of dieting and I think there is alot there. I'm going to give myself a chance to work on this aspect of Paul's rules, because I sometimes think what I want is in reaction to my emotions and not what my body actually needs.

I'm quite excited in a funny kind of way as I've never thought like this before. smile

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 13:13:21

Hi Ladies
PostBell you say you don't feel full when you eat your smaller portions but you also say that you don't feel hungry when you stop. Dah dah!!!!! that's it for you then. I don't feel "full" when I eat. If I feel full then I have eaten way tooo much. Its feeling like your body is sated.
To me the eat what you want thing is really really thinking what you like to eat when your not dieting and you give yourself permission to do so. Its maybe keeping your fave icecream in the freezer or your favourite biscuits in the tin. Its a wonderful cheese that you love. Its real salty butter spread on a piece of yummy toast. Its that bar or three of yummy chocolate that you deprive yourself of. Be prepared that when you initially allow yourself to eat the foods you really love that you might overeat them in the way of a dieter having a binge. This is because your body doesn't really believe yet that it can have what it wants. So if you eat too much at first, just go and buy more so that its there. Eventually when you really understand that you can eat anything you will probably find that you hardly ever bother with any one thing again in great quantity. You find that a couple of squares of chocolate or a small cake is all you want or need. Also when you start allowing yourself to eat whatever you want (intolerances aside) you will also find yourself naturally choosing fresh fruit and veg, fish, nuts, etc. Because then all foods become equal again. Like I said before, its not a quick fix . If you really want to let go of the diet mentality forever then you have to be kind to yourself and except that this will be an up and down process but if you stick to the 4 rules as much as possible you will not overeat unless you over ride them a eat because you want to....which is ok too. Just go back to the 4 rules next time. smile

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 13:22:50

Sorry to go on here but also when you have real food and real cheese sauce and cook with butter (if you want) or oil and wine and cream etc then food tastes so good and has soooo much flavour that eventually you don't need as much food to feel sated because rather than just eating to feel "full" you are now eating to "taste" and if your tongue gets all the taste sensations if can then eventually you don't need as much food. IYSWIM.

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 13:24:54

Yes, it is exciting....its like being free for the first time in years. Just try not to concentrate too much on weight loss for the first couple of months because you have a lot of the old mindset to overcome first and a lot of trial and error but if you want to be free forever then you will get there.

ppeatfruit Wed 12-Jun-13 14:43:56

It's interesting Rules because I came to Paul Mckenna from a different direction in that I'd never been on a ww or SW or cal.controlled diet (I tried Atkins for 2 days which made me feel ill so I stopped that grin).

My mum made sure we didn't eat shit or special 'diet' food or make us clear our plates (though she was on a diet). Ive always had good fresh tasty food and not binged and starved. BUT Paul Mckenna worked and is still working for me.

HadALittleFaithBaby Wed 12-Jun-13 15:04:40

Maybe we need to redefine the word 'diet'. There's a huge difference between your diet in terms of what you eat and choosing foods that help your body and diet where you eat certain things and generally less calories specifically to lose weight. Many of us eat specific diets to help with health but we aren't doing the low calorie or bizarre food choices (cabbage soup anyone?!).

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 15:52:01

So how did you gain weight then pp.

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 16:02:56

Well diet in its simplest terms is what you eat I guess. The word diet today though means reducing calories.
pp Didn't you do the Hay Diet for awhile. Maybe it was someone else who said that....sorry cant remember as it was a while back.
pp I came to PM from having eaten mindfully for about ten years. Not from weight watchers of slimming world etc. I ate very very healthily as a child ( or what is considered healthy today) . I ate vegetables, meat, fish and salad. No fats or sugars allowed . My mother who was also always on a life long diet didn't allow me to eat when I wanted to only when she said I could. Hence where my problem came from. She was actually extremely happy when I didn't clear my plate and loved the fact that at 5 foot 8 I weight in at 7.5 stone. She thought it wonderful and would constantly tell me off for eating anything that she hadn't provided ,called me fat, legs like tree trunks. Im sure a lot of people had that sort of upbringing but it sure as hell confuses you about food. grin

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 12-Jun-13 16:23:42

Faith - exactly. For example, I am really working on increasing the amount of fruit and veg that we all eat. The boys diets (see what I did there wink) are great, but DH and I not always so much although we probably eat more fruit and veg than most people.
This hasn't really got anything to do with wanting to lose weight, it is purely a choice for health.

I am going rather in fits and starts here. I'm so, so tired - DS2 has been a horror this week and awake for hours in the middle of the night.
We have just a normal weekend at home this weekend, to potter around and take the boys swimming so hopefully I can sneak a nap in smile

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 16:48:49

Aliba you sound sooo busy , how many children do you have? Its so hard to function when they wake up in the middle of the night.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 12-Jun-13 17:36:50

Oh gosh, only 2! grin

They are only little though, 2 and 4, and the 4 year old is in reception. They can't really be left to their own devices or do much for themselves yet, so my day is pretty full on even when I'm not actually doing anything specific. It would all seem like a breeze if I actually got enough sleep, I am sure!

PostBellumBugsy Wed 12-Jun-13 17:47:14

Tiredness has been the cause of so much bad eating.

Before I was diagnosed wheat intolerant, when my DCs were little, I think the only thing that kept me awake was intravenous tea and cake all eaten on the hoof of course. There is no doubt that the early years of motherhood has alot to answer for with regard to poor eating habits!

Rulesgirl Wed 12-Jun-13 17:48:03

Awww bless. I remember when mine were that small. Its a lovely time although very very hard work and yes....sleep makes everything better doesn't it. smile

veryberrybug Wed 12-Jun-13 21:31:59

blimey i feel pooped with all this lack of sleep talk, i too cannot function without a good solid bit of comatose! (having said that, needing ~an hour less since cutting out wheat (thanks again pp & welcome back!)) i'm sure that's why all the mums & toddlers groups i went to had tea & baked/chocolate goods on offer, they know it's our lifeline at that stage! don't worry alibaba it gets easier.

well i'm LOVING all the wisdom appearing on the thread, thanks for sharing smile i'm having a refocussing patch which also ties in with my learning the alexander technique - it requires you to notice what you're doing with your body so i find it really ties in with PMing. what i'm noticing WRT food is that when i eat i'm still having trouble knowing when to stop. if i eat just until i'm no longer hungry, i still want more taste & am not feeling satiated or satisfied. if i stop myself eating the lunchtime sandwich at that point, i find myself looking for pudding of some sort 10 minutes later. however, if i eat slowly until i do feel satisfied - maybe 6-7 on the scale - then when i drink my after lunch peppermint tea i suddenly feel overfull, but it wasn't from the food! if i stop at 5 (neutral) then have my peppermint tea i feel fine but am hungry again half an hour later. aarrgh!! what should i do?? confused i feel i need to do something as i'm still the same size, possibly getting more porky round the middle sad

bbb i could never bore of eating! i guess that's the tablets talking though hmm p.s. i've not cut out calories since cutting out wheat, i've replaced with wheat-free carbs instead. no weightloss expected as a result of that.

post i tried high protein low carb before & lost weight but just put it all back on. always missed bread. glad you sound like you're embracing PM even though it feels weird grin

Hi ladies, i hope everybody had a good night's sleep last night. I do wonder simetimes if it would be worth setting up a weight loss and sleep thread as I am pretty sure for a lot of people, me included, it is as much an issue as anything we put in our mouths.

Not having the greatest few days with the in-laws in town. They are fine, it is the eating out that is the issue. We were out to dinner last night (nice pub) and out again tonight for pizza! [Shock] It is very difficult to eat mindfully when it is cooked by somebody else, at a time of other people's chosing and when you will be distracted by chat and socialising. Still they go back home tomorrow so we can relax and get back to normal!

I don't think we need to worry about the word 'diet' too much - don't we all infer the meaning from context? If Ali, for example, say that she wants to eat more fruit and veg it is obvious she is talking about what she is eating in general terms. I think that is easily is distinguishable from diet in the weight loss sense. I don't see anybody confused about it.

ppeatfruit Thu 13-Jun-13 13:30:24

Afternoon all grin Do you know Rules youre right I've been on the Hay WOE (its more for health and to do with how you eat rather than what) for soo long now I'd forgotten grin.

There are some weirdnesses about it; but I do it to suit me not the sometimes strange rules.

I suppose it was as BB says the eating out and DH mainlining(I'd have one pain aux chocolat to keep him companygrin) on fabulous croissants etc. when we first moved to France that the weight gradually went on.I noticed in photos and DD2 got the P.M. book and I've not looked back!!.

Veryberry Try the amazing muffin buster exercise to firm up yr. tummy Iforget it sometimes but it always helps.

Rulesgirl Thu 13-Jun-13 14:50:22

Hi Ladies....pp what a shame you live in France and can't eat the delicious bakery goods anymore. See that's where the PM works so well for me. If I want a cake I will have one but probably only eat a bite or two now and I'm done. For me its all about the taste.

PostBellumBugsy Thu 13-Jun-13 15:08:42

Wow Rules, I simply cannot imagine eating just two bites of a chocolate croissant and being done!

That said, it is all still going very well. I am sitting here feeling stuffed after my lunch, which was a stay fuller longer fresh thing from M&S. Not chosen because of its stay fuller longer properties, but because it is one of the few fresh take away lunches without wheat. This time last week, I would have eaten that and a yoghurt & would be craving chocolate by this stage BUT I can honestly say I am stuffed 2.5 hrs later!!!!! So day 4 and pleasantly surprised that I can actually do this.

Rulesgirl Thu 13-Jun-13 15:44:14

I think it works that way for me because if I get cakes I buy four so I know that I have enough. So when I eat I don't feel like I have to eat it all at once and I can come back and have more later.grin

veryberrybug Thu 13-Jun-13 19:05:17

thanks pp i'm still doing the muffin-buster most nights (got a post-it up so i never forget!) i've found since doing it that the tummy-muscle-using machines at curves are easier! i keep getting a green light there yey no more amber. ooh, could you please tell me the right word for wheat or gluten in french please? so i can ask if stuff's got it in when i'm on me jolly holibags. i looked in my dicco but there's two: blé & froment. i'm fairly certain i'd use the wrong one & they'd be all ¿qé?!! oh no wrong country i mean quoi?! grin

Tinwe Thu 13-Jun-13 22:24:28

Hi all, so many posts since I was last on and it was only a day or two ago. shock

I've been meaning to post each night but falling asleep fully dressed as soon as I get chance to sit/lie down. I have a only just 1 year old and an only just 2 year old who are both poorly. DD1 has a temperature and a bad case of feeling sorry for herself and DD2 is reacting to the MMR. Was up at 3 this morning and been on training all day so I'm shattered! hmm Need to listen to the CD but I'll fall asleep again- does it still work subliminally?

Not had any chance to eat mindfully over the past few days as I've eaten on the run/while working so I've made a determined effort to purchase/ prepare smaller portions so I don't accidentally overeat (with a back up snack should I still be hungry after). I even ordered the worlds smallest pizza yesterday from the local Italian - it was like a cheesy coaster! grin

Tinwe Thu 13-Jun-13 22:25:08

Ps, what's the muffin buster please?

Rulesgirl Thu 13-Jun-13 22:49:24

Aww. We were all discussing tiredness recently. Think pp has put up her famous muffin buster" somewhere. It's a tummy exercise.wink

Rulesgirl Thu 13-Jun-13 22:54:23

I think it works even when you nod off....I usually fall asleep and it works for me. I think it is less effective if your wiiiide awake smile

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 14-Jun-13 06:26:33

Morning all! smile

Hi Tin yes Pail says in the book it works subliminally. I know it's impacting because I always stir at 3,2,1! I love the sound of 'world's smallest pizza'!

Bugsy sounds like Pauling is going well!

I'm getting back to Pauling properly - still snacking a lot thinking I'm hungry but I'm not sure I really am. I don't think I'm delinking enough so I'll try a glass of water before I have a snack today. I'm hoping to go for a run tomorrow doing c25k while DH looks after Faithlet.

Tinwe Fri 14-Jun-13 08:08:58

Thanks Rules, will stick it on even if I'm about to pass out then highly likely since I was up all night again grin

Tinwe Fri 14-Jun-13 08:10:07

Faith - did I read it that you're planning to do a 25k run!?

Pizza was lovely, all three bites wink

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 14-Jun-13 08:47:33

Gosh no! grin I'm going to do couch to 5k..aka c25k! I used to run last year and was planning to do a 10k but had a 9 day stay in hospital instead! confused that became a chronic health problem so I stopped running but it's eased off since I had my daughter so I want to start running again. C25k gets you doing intervals walking for a minute, then running etc. I need to build back up. I could run 8k non-stop at one time!

ppeatfruit Fri 14-Jun-13 10:57:22

Rules I do indulge occasionally when we have guests but they have to be very good quality to be worth it. A lot of them have an aftertaste I dont like.The bread is usually so pappy! Once you get past the crust!

Tinwe Fri 14-Jun-13 13:45:26

Ah, Faith, that sounds more reasonable. I'm very envious of people who enjoy running smile Will you do a run for charity as a goal?

I'd love to take up running, my husband does hill running and it's really good for him mentally and physically. I've got dodgy knees though and I get bored unless I have company and/or a purpose to exercise, plus I'm sure even if I was thin my body would not suit running (too much bounce and thump) confused Need to do something cardio though so I'm hoping to get into cycling, my bike is being serviced as I type.

ppeatfruit Fri 14-Jun-13 14:14:23

Yup Tinwe Paul Mckenna says do the exercise you ENJOY his words are "no pain! NO PAIN!". I've lost the weight without running at all. I do stretches,dancing walking but I hate running too! Problem with cycling is the other road users (even other cyclists seem manic in the City of London)!

veryberrybug Fri 14-Jun-13 23:06:50

hello all hope everyone's well smile

i went for my monthly weigh & measure & i've lost 3lbs & my body fat % has gone down by a decent amount! yey! TBH i've been really frantic the last few weeks been very hectic so i wasny thinking i'd done so well (often just not the time to chew everything slowly) but been making sure to be small to medium portions as tinwe said above, it's amazing how often i think it's no quite enough, & then wait a few minutes & actually it is. (well sometimes the waiting isny really sitting waiting & thinking about it, but more getting my shoes on & pegging it up the road!)

the nicest thing is it feels sustainable, & my body fat has gone down more than when i'd done a diet month & been trying really hard & feeling hungry a lot, but this time comparatively it's been much less effort to be mindful than it was when it was sheer caloric deprivation. so nice to get some confirmation that this is definitely the right path - it feels right & now i'm seeing actual results too grin

LOL i too had previously read C25K & thought "holy guacemole! that's far"... tinwe i too envy those who enjoy running,i always thought of it as "proper" fitness (oop not very helpful mindset there) & enjoyed it for a bit when i was ~10stone but now i'm heavier it seems too hard a slog... but i keep remembering that joyous endorphin rush when i did my best 10k & at the end my legs wouldny stop!! i'll get back there one day. until then i'm enjoying zumba immensely & curves (i get my aerobic fix & strength training all in 30mins) & walking everywhere. DP has a secondhand bikeshop & is passionate about getting more bums on bikes, but i get the fear of traffic etc. canal towpath is good though. everyone can find summat they like to do...

found pps muffin-buster on the old thread for ya:

THE AMAZING MUFFIN BUSTING EXERCISE -

This can be done on any firm surface I do it in bed; 3 at night and 3 in the morning

1. Lie flat with your arms by yr. sides (they can be raised flat behing you when you want to increase the difficulty).

2.Raise yr shoulders and head 5 centimeters (ALWAYS REMEMBERING TO KEEP YOUR HEAD IN LINE WITH YOUR SPINE DO NOT POKE IT FORWARD OR LEAVE IT BEHIND).

3. Hold for a count of 5 and then slowly release.

veryberrybug Fri 14-Jun-13 23:11:03

hope everyone has a good kip, my heart goes out to you tinwe with wee unwell ones flowers

Nice one Veryberry. The reduction in body fat percentage is very impressive - you know for sure those 3lbs aren't just water. Have a great weekend. I hope you get a chance to put your feet up. You sound like you could do with it. smile

Rulesgirl Sat 15-Jun-13 16:08:55

Yay!!!!grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 15-Jun-13 17:12:40

Well done very!

Delighted to say I went running today! Not 25k wink but 4k with intervals. Ran/walked for about 40 minutes and apparently burnt 350kcal. Rather pleased with myself! smile

Tinwe Sat 15-Jun-13 19:43:51

Well done Very and Faith! You are inspirational smile I would like to do Zumba but I find all local exercise classes start when I'm putting the girls to bed and although I know DH would do it for me a) I'd feel guilty leaving him to it alone b) I'd miss seeing the girls when I get home from work.

I'm having a bad couple of days diet wise. Yesterday had a huge lunch as I was "eating up" something about to go off and today I've attended two kids parties where the hosts have been very kind and pushed delicious food on the grown ups too. Wouldn't have been so bad if it had been just one party but they were back to back with each thinking they were the ones to feed us. They'd even bought in special veggy food just for us. Not an iota of mindful eating has taken place. Now I feel over full and disappointed in myself. I'll never lose weight at this rate. confused

And my bike's STILL in for fixing...

Tinwe Sat 15-Jun-13 19:45:31

Oh yes! Thanks Very for the muffin advice. I'm sure that's achievable each day wink

veryberrybug Sat 15-Jun-13 20:47:15

aw cheers everyone flowers it's lovely to have you guys boosting my result-pride further! grin

hada well done on the run, i bet it's nice to get out again. i love it when some technical gadgetry tells you how much you've burnt, i know we're not counting calories here but if you do it in the morning sometimes it's more burnt than what you've eaten yet that day!

tinwe don't worry about the kids party food - you'll probably just not be hungry for yer tea tonight & your body will be able to balance it out now you're getting in the habit of listening to it. OMG i always found when mines were wee i could eat a million of those little triangly kids' party sandwiches! they're ace! somehow scoffing umpteen teeny morsels of kiddy food seemed to help me cope with the mayhem & din! oh dear stress eating...
WRT evening exercise classes: when my DD1 turned 2 i started a yoga class once a week mainly to get me oot the hoose for the tea, bath & bed routine! i then felt more happy to tuck her in other nights for having been away. but having said that i was SAHM so i s'pose it may feel different if you're oot working away fe 'em. TBH i think DP enjoyed when he'd to figure it out without me, made him closer to the girls over the years. & he appreciated what i did more! one time i came back & DD2 had refused bottle & was wailing for my boob, but him & DD1 were dancing around with her to bob marley to chill her out, & it worked! i loved him even more for that <sob>!

i love the muffin buster too, if only all exercise could be done flat on yer back in bed! cheers pp & * bbb* yes i've got feet up now thanks, wine & film awaits wink

veryberrybug Sat 15-Jun-13 20:48:50

LOL just read that back... exercise flat on yer back in bed <smutty guffaw> blush

Tinwe Sun 16-Jun-13 20:38:57

How's everyone doing today? smile

veryberrybug Sun 16-Jun-13 22:37:43

good thanks tin i bought a bar of galaxy chocolate & then didny eat it shock later i only had 2 squares OMG!! finding myself liking food i didn't previously?? cheese oatcakes - before i thought they were like cardboard! but now i've got some left & the kids have gone off them so i thought i'd nibble on one when i was really hungry & smile

how's everyone else?

Tinwe Sun 16-Jun-13 22:49:48

Well done on your restraint Very! You really seem to have got the hang of this. How long have you been doing this again? wink I know that chocolate especially is a trigger for me to slowly start to over indulge in general so, although I know I'm supposed to eat whatever I like, I'm trying to avoid chocolate for now until I'm more confident.

My weekend continued in a bad vein from yesterday. Seems social events are bad for this WOE for me (having a lot of food ready made and laid out for me rather than having to make it myself is too tempting, the situation is exacerbated by also being distracted while I eat). confused "Luckily" with 2 little ones my social life is limited though so I'll be back on the wagon tomorrow. grin

veryberrybug Sun 16-Jun-13 23:09:51

tinwe really & honestly it's not restraint! i know, i can't really believe it either. also today i keep finding random single minstrels lying about (?) & just popped them in a ramikin & didny scoff 'em!! previously i would've just inhaled them & then wanted more, but i really didny want them shock

i've been doing this since ~april. i have to admit, i've had plenty wobbles, non-mindful patches & crises of faith "but all i want to eat is fatty bad stuff like prawn cocktail & pastry". but each time, not only have the ladies on here been ace buoying me up & reassuring me just to keep doing it & start again immediately smile (thanks folks thanks) but also then i would suddenly crave a wee plate of pasta with veg & tomato sauce, side salad & no cheese shock & lardy food seemed really icky.

so let yourself have the chocolate, if you're really hungry but try to be really mindful & really notice it. now i can't steal the kids cheap chocolate (eg.in party bag) because i really taste it & it's cheap & nasty! & often i don't want chocolate if i'm actually hungry because it's just no filling, i want real food! if you want it & you're not hungry, do the tapping. i'm having immense success with tapping in other issues too wink just keep at it you'll get there!

Rulesgirl Sun 16-Jun-13 23:39:41

Hi Ladies
very Im like that with chocolate. I eat it soooo mindfully. Yes, I could easily chomp it down and before I know it if feel sick but I don't. I always put a square in my mouth and go completely into myself, I let the square melt slowly on my tongue until all the chocolate is coating my entire mouth. Divine. Doing it that way I only eat a couple of squares cause im really tasting it.

Tinwe Mon 17-Jun-13 22:59:38

Just bobbing on with a quick question- I've saved all my cd tracks onto my iPod and haven't got access to the original kit any more so I can't remember which tracks I'm supposed to listen to regularly. I've got ones called "introduction" and "secrets" plus "cravings buster" and another couple I think (maybe one about exercise). So far I'm alternating between intro and secrets... smile

PostBellumBugsy Tue 18-Jun-13 09:20:09

Hello everyone. Just to say still doing well. I had a really knackering weekend, so on Sunday afternoon I gave myself permission to have some gluten free biscuits. Instead of guiltily wolfing them down, I sat down and really enjoyed them slowly with a cup of tea. It was bliss. So good not to feel as though I had failed or commited some kind of dieting sin but to just enjoy them. I wasn't hungry afterwards, so didn't have any dinner & that felt fine too.

I also haven't felt like I derailed myself by eating them and ate mindfully and with small portions again yesterday.

So far so good & it doesn't feel like an awful struggle - maybe this is sustainable long-term! smile

ppeatfruit Wed 19-Jun-13 10:25:18

Hello good morning everyone grin Great it's lovely to read all the positive posts!!

Actually there's quite a lot of acupressure exercises you can do on yer back in bed grin "Ooer missus" On your own!!

Rushing about in England (i got back yesterday with me mum) My tights were falling down i've bought small size now and i had to wear a belt to stop me jeans dropping off !You know when you go through security the last thing you need is to have to remove your belt which of course I had to. Well I guess if yer trousers fall down they don't need to search you!! grin. Gatwick is enormous now I wouldn't recommend anyone flying from there in the summer hols; it was mayhem yesterday on a 'normal' non holiday day!

Solo Wed 19-Jun-13 10:35:02

Tinwe I think the 'Secrets to naturally thin people' is a good one from my crap memory and the craving buster too if you struggle with those. It might be good for you to listen to them all and note down which you feel would help you most.

I have lost 4lbs since yesterday shock. Nothing to do with PMK at all...I have had braces fitted and can't bite or chew anything. After fitting yesterday I ate scrambled eggs. Evening meal was sucking on a few chips (yuk!), a mug of soup, two digestives which took an hour to suck! and a chocolate mousse mixed with full fat greek yoghurt.
At that rate, I could be at goal weight by my holiday! well, not really, but I can dream...
I can only suck food or swallow it down. Ready brek made with water this morning mixed with the greek yoghurt again.
I'm off sick atm. My ME flared up badly last week. I'm just wondering whether or not to take a second week, but I'll need a docs appointment and certificate...

ppeatfruit Wed 19-Jun-13 10:57:34

It's nice not to have you just "pop in" Solo (not good to be ill though sad.)

Blimey you have to wear braces ALL the time?

Ref. The CDs Tin I find I only like the ones with the actual hypnosis sessions at the end (i don't really listen now so can't remember which they are either).

Solo Wed 19-Jun-13 11:21:59

Yes it is pp grin, no being unwell though sad

I do, I have the train tracks! with the brackets. Pretty awful really.

HadALittleFaithBaby Wed 19-Jun-13 15:54:14

Ah solo my sympathies! It gets easier honest and its totally worth it when you can grin with straight teeth!

We are on a little holiday at the coast in a caravan, only an hour from home but its nice to be away! Here with my Dad, sister and nephew. Will catch up properly soon.

Rulesgirl Wed 19-Jun-13 17:51:09

Hi Ladies, Faith have a lovely break!! I'm on the beach at this very moment.....it's only seven minutes from my house though...lol! It's lovely and warm here , hope it is for you and everyone else smile solo braces.....bit painfully at first I believe.sad
.pp omg...did your trousers actually fall down shock .

ppeatfruit Thu 20-Jun-13 08:38:35

Oh lucky you to be so close to the beach Rulesenvy No the jeans didn't ACTUALLY fall down they just felt like that !

That sounds lovely Hada grin is little Abby enjoying the break?

Tinwe Thu 20-Jun-13 08:45:10

Thanks for the advice all, I think "secrets" might be the best for me. I see some of you don't listen anymore, I'm finding it useful to help me relax (lots going on for me at the moment) and keep me on track so I'm trying to listen regularly but haven't had chance for a few days. As a result I broke a few rules last night. Maybe braces are the way forward for super quick weight loss Solo wink - lovely teeth and a great slim figure (sounds painful to get there though, poor you). My best weight loss recently has been through a tummy bug confused and I'm still deliberating if it was actually worth all the nasty symptoms for the eventual payout (of course if I was back there now I'd say "NO"! grin)
Faith- simple holidays are the best and lovely places are often just around the corner if you forget the "must travel" expectation. Hope you have a great time and the weather holds out for you.
Pp- you must be doing really well for your pants to be falling down, wear those baggy pants with pride! grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Thu 20-Jun-13 08:53:18

pp she's sleeping through most of the exciting bits! She was awake on the beach yesterday gazing around. Her big cousin is 3 1/2 and he's loving it!

I don't think I'm Pauling very well. I feel quite wobbly, especially round the middle! I need to dig my book out when I get home!

I have images in my head of your jeans round your ankles pp!

tin I only have the ICMYT CD.

Anyone heard from kinkydorito lately?

NoGoodAtWittyNames Thu 20-Jun-13 23:12:03

Could I please join you all? I've been Pauling on and off for the last 5 years but determined this will be my new way of life from now on. Although I'd love to lose weight (according to the delightful wii I need to lose 2 stone) for me, this is really about taking control of my body and sorting out my horrendous relationship with food (complete and utter emotional eater). After analysing where I've gone wrong in the past with Paul, one of the main things I've realised is that I don't trust my body at all and I think this is one of the main reasons I've always gone back to traditional diets because then I don't have to listen to my body, I just eat what I'm told. I also think I need the support of other paulettes, despite numerous attempts to convert family and friends I have yet to convince anyone to see the light and I know this new woe is going to be a real battle for me and without the support of others I'll just end up going back to my old destructive habits. So here I am...

nappybaglady Fri 21-Jun-13 00:02:10

Hello, can I join too. I have read the book once, just starting to re-read properly. Have listened to the CD a few times. Want it to work, want to believe but I just don't see how it will fit in with my life. I need to eat breakfast and lunch at 'proper' times at least 4 days a week because that is how my working day is set up. I simply can't break from work to 'eat whatever I want whenever I want'. If I don't eat breakfast before I leave the house, hungry or not, I'd have to wait until 1pm. I could manage not to eat in evenings until I feel hungry (in theory at least). But I soooooo want this to work.

How do you manage with the randomness? Do you ever cook meals anymore is it all instant gratification food? What I mean is how can you eat anything that takes a while to cook if you don't know when you'll be hungry enough to eat it? So want it to work but so confused about how you can make it fit into real life

NoGoodAtWittyNames Fri 21-Jun-13 07:51:45

Hi nappybag I think the key to this is making it work for you because otherwise you'll just slip back into old habits. I think firstly rather than worrying about eating whatever you want, think more about not eating what you think you should eg not having ryvita with fat free cottage cheese for lunch just because you think this is what you should eat. Paul says in the book to only have food you genuinely like in your cupboards. We're on a really tight budget so I have to plan all our evening meals for the week ahead and then only buy what we only need, but I make sure I plan meals I enjoy rather than dull 'diet' meals if that makes sense?

Secondly, in terms of eating at set times, why don't you start Pauling (love that term!) on one of your days off so you can get a feel for when your body naturally wants food? You might find your hungry around the times you can only eat at work anyway. But if they're totally different times, the main focus is eating slowly and consciously so you may find you're eating a lot less at breakfast and lunch, then if you get hungry later on is there anyway you can sneak in a snack at work, even if it means going to the bathroom (slightly minging I know, but needs must!). I work 5 evenings a week (6-10 over 4 nights and 4-9 on Sunday), so I'm the same with work getting in the way of your natural mealtimes, but like I said, if you want this to be your new WOE for life, you have to adapt it slightly and find ways to make it work for you, at least that's my theory!

Good luck!

ppeatfruit Fri 21-Jun-13 10:56:42

We're here to support you NoGoodAt you're very welcome grin as are you nappybag grin Though it seems that you're very good at supporting too NoGood

When i was teaching I'd take a snack pack (an apple, some chewy nuts and dried apricots etc.) also a bottle of water (that's important because I sometimes feel hungry when I'm thirsty IYSWIM) and ate them when i felt hungry;I still do it when travelling or going out because I don't fancy the crap food that most snack places sell!

Tinwe Fri 21-Jun-13 13:47:49

Hi Nappybag and Nogood! Hello to everyone else too smile

I'm relatively new on here too and have had just the same issues! I think the advice given just now is very wise, especially "fit it around your lifestyle so you CAN stick at it". Having thought about it, the basic principles are 'eating like a thin person who enjoys but isn't fixated on food would' and there are certainly slim people who work in similar settings to mine with varied lunch breaks so I need to study them! grin
I think maybe we need to lower our "hungry enough to eat" levels a little so we eat something when its lunch and maybe we're only a BIT hungry (so wouldn't normally eat if given the choice) and watch our portion sizes especially (so if over riding the hunger cue, only eat what you remember is a normal lunch or less). It's not an issue to be a little over-hungry by your next meal time when you get home as long as you eat mindfully and don't over indulge. Then get back to eating when you prefer to as soon as you can. Over time I think it's right that bodies will adjust if forced to keep set hours (unfortunately my lunch break varies each day so I'm sticking with portion control and mindful eating).
I also have the same issue with eating what I want. I cook lots of different meals each night for the different family members so last thing I want to do is cook another meal for myself. I can't only have food I love in the cupboards cos've everyone else's preference too. My main plan is to not pick at their food mindlessly and not keep eating if I don't want it. If I'm hungry then I'll probably enjoy the usual family foods (ie not special treats just for me) smile
On a different topic I'm going to try the Shred plan. I've not done exercise per se since before my babies so I think it'll be horrible at first but my husband gets up early each day to go running so I'm hoping that will inspire me to get busy while he's gone. Anyone else done that?

ppeatfruit Fri 21-Jun-13 14:29:36

BTW nappy ref. cooking; I'll cook maybe while eating an apple and a drink of green tea whatever (i know it's not conscious eating but there are breaks in cooking when you can sit down and be more conscious IYSWIM) to take the edge off the hunger but also when you've recently eaten it's easy to cook for later or the freezer.

Rulesgirl Fri 21-Jun-13 18:00:54

Tinwe I keep my food stash in a cupboard especially for me. It has all my lovely green and blacks chocolate in, Nine bars, kettle crisps etc. I do my exercise in my gym in a shed in the garden and see it as ". my time".

Tinwe Sat 22-Jun-13 19:56:24

Hi all, hope you're having a good weekend. How're you all getting on? Seems quiet here lately or is it just me?

I've not lost much if anything this week but hormones are probably playing their part. hmm Feeling a little disheartened as I've found it hard to stuck to the rules for a few days this week too. Can you please talk me out of doing a shake diet (Lighter life, Cambridge etc)? I've done LL before and did well on it but that was ages ago. I know I've got the will power and am tempted by the quick weight loss but "feel" like I shouldn't IYKWIM! confused

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 22-Jun-13 20:40:19

Don't do it Tin! You'll be hungry all the time and as soon as you stop you'll gain again!

Well I wanted something to kick start me Pauling again but d&v with a 10 week old baby wasn't exactly what I had in mind! Yuck. Ah well, it's likely to reset my appetite as it were.

Tinwe Sat 22-Jun-13 21:54:22

Thanks Faith! Just the type of comment I was looking for grin

Sorry to hear you've been poorly, hope you're feeling much better now/soon. On the plus side you're right, it does make it easier to eat smaller portions. I had a bug recently and lost quite a few pounds which I didn't put back on as my appetite was still reduced the following week not for long though! Now THERE'S a new fad diet idea... wink

howiwonder Sat 22-Jun-13 22:04:37

im de-lurking to say hello and ask if i can join you all smile.

i must say, reading some of your posts is very inspiring. im itching to give this a go. have a stone and a half to lose, well 2 stone would be the stuff of dreams but would be very happy with stone and half.

i bought 'i can make you thin' a few years ago and sort of flicked through, but never really gave it the time or attention. im literally in the midst of moving house this week so i know i wont be able to focus too much on a new way of eating, but i think i will order the gastric band book and dig out ICMYT to refresh myself and read in the meantime.

The idea of hypnosis generally really appeals to me. I just think it makes so much sense and I had great success with using hypnobirthing. So I'm hoping the fact that i'm receptive to the idea will help as I will be prepared to try my best with it.

Tinwe Sun 23-Jun-13 08:40:20

Welcome Howi! smile

Being committed to the idea is v important so I think you're in a great position. A friend of mine lost over 3 stone of post baby weight with ICMYT... enough to feel frisky so ended up getting pregnant again! You have been warned grin

ppeatfruit Sun 23-Jun-13 08:58:04

Noooo Tin !!grin I agree with Hada You KNOW that Pauling makes the most sense not eating crap "DIET" food. If you want to speed things up drink nettle tea (or take the supplements) and give up your daily cup of coffee or tea (that works especially if you drink a lot of the aforementioned beverages !!!!)

Glad you made it and welcome to the best thread on MN!!!How it shouldn't take you long to lose the weight grin

ppeatfruit Sun 23-Jun-13 09:00:14

Oh Tin Another weight loss tip I forgot to mention if you eat and drink alcohol late at night; stop !!!

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 23-Jun-13 09:08:47

Hello how and welcome! Some of us here do the gastric band but many of us are happy doing ICMYT. Sounds like (after you've moved!) you'll be in a great position to start. I'm post baby too - DD is 10 weeks old today! I didn't gain much during pregnancy so I'm back to what I weighed before pregnancy but stick have a good 2 1/2 stone to lose.

I've decided this is the day I properly restart! The bug seems to be on its way out but my appetite has depleted so I do feel like its been 'reset'. I'm determined to listen to the CD - I realised I can always do it in the day when DD is snoozing since I struggle to find the energy at night when she's settled.

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sun 23-Jun-13 09:09:13

Don't do it Tinwe think of all the lovely food you'll have to give up again, no Sunday roasts, no ice cream, no bacon sarnies, no chocolate....!!! You can so do the rules, what makes you think you can't?
You mentioned about doing 30 day shred, I love that DVD! It is hardcore but you can literally feel yourself getting stronger and at only 20 mins its fab for fitting into your life (especially if like me you've got little ones in the house!) I've never seen the amazing results people are always going on about ie dropping 2 dress sizes etc but it definitely tones me up. Good luck with it anyway!

howiwonder Sun 23-Jun-13 10:20:54

Haha Tin thats a scary thought -2 DSs who prefer our bed to their own alot of the time should act as pretty good contraception for the time being though!

I dusted off my shred DVD the other day, I am secretly hoping it gets packed at the bottom of a box in our move and I dont find it for a while so I have a valid excuse not to think about it for a few weeks! Iagree though NoGood, it really does give good results, and quite quickly too if i remember rightly

howiwonder Sun 23-Jun-13 10:26:26

btw Faith im impressed youre even thinking of baby weight at 10 weeks - I have just started thinking about emerging from the baby induced frump and DS is 7 mo!

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 23-Jun-13 14:33:01

Well it's not really baby weight! Within a couple of weeks of having her I was back to pre-pregnancy weight but not shape! My weight is fairly stable with breast feeding but I'm eating for eating's sake so I want to get back into good habits.

howiwonder Sun 23-Jun-13 16:27:00

yes i know what you mean, am actually back to pre preg weight too - but i was at my heaviest when i got pregnant so its nothing to be too pleased with! but yes, my shape has completely changed -and not for the better! really struggling with clothes and finding things to wear.

ive only read a couple of chapters of ICMYT this morning, but have been out for the day celebrating DHs birthday and have already been doing a bit of groundwork for this new way of eating. Didnt eat anywhere near as much as I usually would, and left a bit of everything I have had today, just to get used to that idea.

Will weigh myself tomorrow and see what I'm starting off at...

mendandmakedo Sun 23-Jun-13 21:36:55

Hi can I join too? You lovely ladies are doing so well supporting each other. I have done this system before and lost I think about a stone before losing interest. Prior to this lost 3 stone on WW and was around 2 stone under heaviest after second child when I joined slimming world and lost over 2 stone.

So from heaviest to slimmest over the years I have managed a loss of 4 stone 4 pounds which to write down sounds unbelievable. But I still can't help over eating! I have managed to put on 5.5 lb which I know is not much but I am so scared of it all creeping on and I am fed up of being so obsessive about food it dominates my mind and it feels good to write this down.

nappybaglady Sun 23-Jun-13 21:48:08

Thanks for your responses. I don't have time to look here every day but I'll nip in whenever I can to try to pick up some tips. I'm definitely eating more consciously and I'm definitely thinking about food less which are huge successes. I'm slightly worried, no, let's be honest, I'm really worried about separating food from my life too much. Food is one of my hobbies and major interests and something I'm good at. I'm not arty or musical or creative in any way except in what I cook. I don't want to stop thinking about new ways of cooking stuff. I just want to stop eating it all.

I think I need to figure out how to eat mindfully at the times when it's convenient for me to eat rather than focussing straight away on the only when you're hungry bit. I really need to get to grips with leaving stuff on my plate - may need brain surgery to assist with this bit.

I'm really glad this thread is here. I so want this method to work but was feeling a bit disheartened before I found you. Now I'll have another sip from my small glass of sauv blanc.

Tinwe Sun 23-Jun-13 22:45:59

Faith - how did your first day back on this WOE go?

Tinwe Sun 23-Jun-13 22:54:47

No good - you've inspired me with Shred. Maybe that'll be enough to make me feel like I'm seeing some quick(er) progress towards my ideal figure!
Thanks for the motivational talk too, it's all been very helpful grin I've also been reminded that one of the reasons I'm trying to get healthier/slimmer is to be a better role model for my girls and them seeing me only drinking shakes, not eating proper food in moderation like you mentioned, isn't doing that. Even though they're only v young, my 2 year old especially copies everything I do! A few days ago I stubbed my toe and was limping around for a while until I spotted she was doing the same, very seriously, with no understanding or questioning, just "mummy does that now so I'd better start too"!

Rulesgirl Sun 23-Jun-13 22:55:12

nappy I understand where your coming from but if you love food then following the four golden rules is what enables you to eat all your wonderful food. You can eat whatever you make...just eat when your hungry and your body wants fuel. Try not to eat when your not hungry cause your body doesn't need it and that's when the weight goes on. Thin people eat whatever when they are hungry. smile

Tinwe Sun 23-Jun-13 22:57:17

Howi - another advocate for Shred then? I'm very unfit though so I expect it to be awful at first. confused
I'm the same re my shape post baby. I have a real baby belly wobble which I'm having problems finding clothes in my old wardrobe to cover.

Rulesgirl Sun 23-Jun-13 23:56:22

pp what's wrong with tea and coffee???? I love them. And Nettle tea to lose weight....?? I'm trying to eat normally not look for diet tips grin

Rulesgirl Sun 23-Jun-13 23:58:48

And I eat late at night cause sometimes that's when I'm hungry.

HadALittleFaithBaby Mon 24-Jun-13 08:21:40

Tinwe it was ok thanks! Easy due to still recovering. Just had breakfast properly chewing, tv off. Realised before the last bite I was full!

nappy it sounds like you're in the right place! There's no reason you should stop cooking and enjoying making food, you just need to retrain your brain to stop when you're comfortably full. The irony is when you crack it it'll taste better than the food you overeat!

Re caffiene - ppeat had previously suggested it can be detrimental to weight loss. I think I'm going to have to cut right Dowb again - Faithlet has reflux, last week I had a couple of days with little caffiene and she was asymptomatic. Yesterday I had a fair bit and she was awful so in going to phase it out (can't go cold turkey!).

Hello ladies , old and new

Happy Monday! Just popping in to say hi. Very busy at the moment but I hope to have a bit more time from next week.

Sorry to read you have been ill Faith, especially after your hols. Being ill with a bf small baby is horrible - it really brings home what it means to be a mother ime! Nothing like juggling a baby and being ill to make you realise your priorities have had to change. Grim. Hope you bounce back quickly.

Tinwe - don't give up on Pauling. I know it feels really slow sometimes but better to do it slowly and keep the weight off than do a quick fix and be back to square 1 in no time. It would be so lovely just to wake up one morning slim though, wouldn't it.

Fwiw, nettle tea is a diuretic. You are bound to lose weight drinking it but you'll soon put it all back. There are no quick fixes! <<sob quietly at the tragedy of no quick fixes>> grin

Have a good week everybody.

ppeatfruit Mon 24-Jun-13 09:51:00

morning! Rules I mentioned cutting down on coffee and normal tea to tin because she was talking about WW for fast results. Too much caffeine isn't good for weight loss especially if it's every day every day. IMO and E it clings on to the water in your body; DH thinks it' s good instead of a meal and he CAN'T lose weight. DM is the same grin.

I gave up a daily cup of proper ground coffee years and years ago and immediately lost weight (but when i do have it occasionally then it works to speed up my metabolic rate weirdly )

HadALittleFaithBaby Mon 24-Jun-13 10:47:27

I'm much better thanks BBB! It was rough but only 24 hours and in some ways it's boosted DH's confidence. He's had a tendency to hand her over rather quickly whereas he took care of her until I got up.

Well I've only had 1 caffeinated drink so far today! Had a couple of decaff and about to have a redbush vanilla...so far, so good smile

Tinwe Mon 24-Jun-13 13:23:42

Hi all, happy Monday and sorry to have caused some confusion. I wasn't thinking of WW, can't be doing with all the counting and measuring! I was and still am a bit tempted by a shakes diet, CD or LL or similar for a speedier loss. Just finding it a long slog as I was also trying to lose weight for a while before I started Pauling and I've been 'spoilt' by getting a quick weight loss following one of those diets in the past. I think I need to either see results quickly or have something new to focus on to keep me interested (until the basics become habit) so I've decided to focus on drinking loads of water and see how that goes for a week. That's part of Paul's advice and always a good idea anyway smile

Tinwe Mon 24-Jun-13 13:27:02

Bigboobied- TOTALLY agree with you re being ill with babies. It's the pits, especially if they're ill too. Cleaning up diarrhoea when you're gipping yourself is grim hmm

Tinwe Mon 24-Jun-13 13:31:18

Make mend- well done on all your weight loss! It goes to show you have great will power when you put your mind to it. smile

Tinwe Mon 24-Jun-13 13:35:31

Nappy - I think you sound perfectly placed for this WOE! You love to make food special, enjoy the foods you like and that's the way this WOE encourages it to be. Not just "shovelling it in while watching tele" like I do most nights It must be possible as even the most indulgent chefs you see on tv are rarely very overweight! By relishing and savouring food it stops becoming an automatic thing IYSWIM. smile

Rulesgirl Mon 24-Jun-13 15:46:54

Morning pp.....I understand why you were saying it now but in my experience coffee speeds up my metabolism and it also causes me to spend a lot of time on the loo evacuating (sorry ha ha tmi). Tea on the other hand doesn't have enough caffeine in it anyway to cause any problem and it has many health benefits, anyway, I enjoy my cuppa but love Rooibos vanilla tea too!
Tinwe if the shakes worked then you would lose the weight and keep it off forever but they don't. You starve the body and then when you have achieved goal you have to deal with real food and forbidden food and that's when the trouble starts. Most people I know who have been on LL or other similar diets find that when they allow themselves to eat again that they start binge eating and spiralling out of control and the weight piles on. This mindful eating might be slow and might take a couple of months to fully be understood and applied but even if you only lost half a pound a week that would be 24 pounds in a year which means that by this time next year you would be nearly 2 stone lighter than you are now. Doesn't seem much at the time but when you think you can eat what you want whenever your truly hungry then I think that is really sustainable for life. Of course if you follow the 4 rules and eat mindfully all the time then it can and does happen much quicker.

Oh definitely agree about coffee. It has the same effect on me. I don't drink it except for the odd decaf because of the way it affects me. I can quite see why the coffee diet works but I bet it isn't pleasant.

Tea goes straight through me too but then it is supposed to be a diruetic. I don't drink tea before a long car jouney - there would have to be too many stops grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Mon 24-Jun-13 18:25:37

Same here BBB! No tea an hour before a journey!

Well I've hardly snacked today! Certainly not done the prowling the house for more food that I was doing.

I think there's something key in what rules said - with any diet, you go back to eating like normal, you put the weight on again. I've tried various diets including WW and eventually they get tiresome and the weight goes back on. By Pauling we are redefining the 'normal' way of eating, changing the rules to a healthier approach. It's more manageable than any diet because there's no deprivation or will power, you just need to apply the simple rules!

Rulesgirl Mon 24-Jun-13 18:49:59

grin So its got to be the best way ever hasn't it. It really is just how a slim person thinks about food. They don't overeat. Why would they. They are not hungry any more. Food is just fuel for them. That's what I have lost the ability to do.

NoGoodAtWittyNames Mon 24-Jun-13 19:45:46

The thing I love most about this WOE of eating is even if the weight loss is slow, the point is you're in total control of what you're putting in your body whether it's fruit or chocolate, and most importantly you're losing weight eating WHATEVER YOU WANT!!! That's got to be better than any quick fix starvation diet!

mendandmakedo Mon 24-Jun-13 22:34:11

Right so did the cd last night found it difficult to relax at first but defiantly did go into a day dream eventually. I feel more in control today and not wanting to binge on cereal etc. I did the mirror exercise this morning too.

Today I have eaten 1 slice of toast with butter and honey. Half a banana lunch was half a sandwich with cheese chutney and sausage. Tea was pizza shared with my two DDs and later on I had date and walnut pudding with custard not particularly healthy but hoping that I will naturally go for more healthy options in the future.

In agreement with others re this system beings way of taking control of food issues and so simple as in following rules what comes natural to slim people. I would like to get to the bottom of why I feel the need to punish myself by over eating! Ah well.

What is WOE?

RULES I am really feeling motivated with what you have said about half a pound a week over a year is over a stone really put it in perspective for me thanks.

Rulesgirl Tue 25-Jun-13 04:17:39

way of eating smile

ppeatfruit Tue 25-Jun-13 10:21:59

Morning all and a big welcome mendand smile I think it's a great idea to have a pudding as a 'meal' because its impossible when Pauling correctly to eat a pudding as "afters' IFYSWIM (it just makes you think how much we all overeat when having a three course meal grin). I enjoy it much more. Due to the conscious eating I suppose!

Rulesgirl Tue 25-Jun-13 16:10:39

I could easily eat three courses when I was younger but not now.

ppeatfruit Tue 25-Jun-13 20:15:50

Me too Rules it's not easy to stop at one course in Fr. though !!

mendandmakedo Tue 25-Jun-13 21:01:36

Hi all, I wonder that to ppfruit about having with the pudding as a meal because otherwise you miss out on something sweet following a meal. I find I eat a smaller main so that I am hungry for a pudding/ supper later on. I ate out today and did overdo it a bit but it was so yummy. Then my dad gave me a voucher for frozen desserts in marks so I have stocked up. Luckily DH has a good appetite.

HadALittleFaithBaby Tue 25-Jun-13 21:06:50

Sometimes if I really want a pudding I'll get a starter as a main (if you're Pauling your starter lasts as long as everyone's main any way!) and then have pudding.

I have realised I'm struggling with meals because I'm often rushing to finish before Faithlet wakes up. I guess this will get easier as she gets bigger. I did manage to listen to him last night and have felt pretty positive today smile

ppeatfruit Tue 25-Jun-13 21:44:05

I 'psyche' myself into not craving a sweet after a meal by saying that I can have it later it will still be in the fridge. Tapping is good for the sweet cravings too. I like 2 pieces of the very dark ginger or mint choc. if I really can't over it grin.

We always had 2 courses as children but I more often than not don't bother now. I think I will and then don't actually fancy it after the main course. I do waste a lot of puds though blushsad

I buy/make something because I fancy it (cos I can do that on this woe grin) and then find I am just not hungry and later in the day the moment has passed. I never fancy pudding in the late evening.

anyway, I am having a minor breakthrough with crisps. Lunch normally seems a bit flat without them but in the last couple of weeks I have hardly bothered. Don't know why. I haven't been listening to the CD <<slaps own wrist>> or consciously even thought I see how I feel, I just haven't thought about them. Weird! Good but weird. I wonder if it will last.

Solo Wed 26-Jun-13 00:38:33

Hey all! hows things?
I'm still off work sick and not sure when I'll be returning yet.

5lbs off this week, but obviously it's because I can't eat properly or proper food and the stuff I am eating takes so long to try to mulch down with my tongue! and having to swallow some foods without any mulching is...ugh! totally revolting!
One good thing though is that I've had a couple of softish cakes; strawberry fancy thing and a mr kipling bakewell pie thing and well, they are disgusting! quite revolting and I don't. want. another!
at 5lbs a week...and 4 weeks until my holiday.........that could be 25lbs off! <crosses fingers>

ppeatfruit Wed 26-Jun-13 09:13:27

Hi sols Nice to hear from you. Great about the 5ibs' sorry you're still ill though sad.

Sounds good about the crisps too BB. grin

Rulesgirl Wed 26-Jun-13 13:22:29

Hi Ladies....another beautiful day here....sigh!!!! What's it like in France pp ?smile

Tinwe Wed 26-Jun-13 20:52:50

Hi all!

Poor you Solo! Not even cakes tasting good to enjoy. Good for you about the weight loss though wink

Interesting about the audio re-inspiring you BB. I find I wander off path more if I miss a few days like recently, ahem Had a horrible couple of days personally so really want to comfort eat a bit but fighting it. I pledge to listen to Paul tonight! grin

On a personal note, I'm now pretty sure I have some kind of sensitivity to sugar. In particular I think sugar and especially chocolate sets me off on a path of cravings/overeating. For example, normally I can go til 2pm with either a good breakfast or nothing at all and not be that bothered but had chocolate spread on toast this morning and within a couple of hours was so so hungry, really noisy rumbling stomach and ready to devour anything in sight! Weirdly lots of stodgy carbs like pasta or icecream can literally knock me out to sleep (as if I've had a drink or two shock) I've even nodded off after tea and missed nights out after a pasta/icecream combo! confused Maybe I need to do the Paul, "put off for life trick" but it seems so permanent for such a lovely thing as chocolate! Anyone done this for a particular food or know more about sensitivities/intolerances and all that?

Tinwe Wed 26-Jun-13 20:57:08

Correction Faith not BB feeling inspired by the CD but well done anyway BB on your crisp success! Maybe they're out of your system after two weeks, like smokers giving up nicotine wink

Tinwe Wed 26-Jun-13 22:22:38

Feeling bit cheerier as I've just done my first Shred and its not as bad as I thought smile

Solo Wed 26-Jun-13 23:08:10

Sugar is addictive Tinwe as is chocolate (it contains caffeine!) and I guess your body has a memory and a reintroduction sets it off again? the same happens to me and I get sluggish and sleepy with pasta!

This past week/8 days, I've had no pasta or bread and no meat except for a little chicken and ham hock in a homemade soup on Saturday. I ate a plaice, but could only stomach so much of the batter without chewing! ugh! Tonights tea was sliced potato cauliflower and broccoli cheese. Was very filling (that'll be the homemade white sauce with whole milk and real butter then. and the cheese!) yummy!

Tinwe Wed 26-Jun-13 23:15:24

Solo - good to know I'm not alone in the carb issue...

Your tea sounds lovely! grin

nappybaglady Wed 26-Jun-13 23:19:58

hello all, just dropping in. Don't know if I've lost anything because I haven;'t weighed myself smile.

I haven't had chance to listen to CD for days or to read the book properly but it's working. I'm just not snacking like I usually do. Opened the fridge to graze tonight then thought - not hungry. So didn't eat. Massive breakthrough for me. Days are so long and busy I usually 'treat myself' to snacks all evening. Made lovely meal for dinner but smaller portion was enough. What has that man done to my brain? Whatever it is, I like it

Hope everyone else is feeling positive

Tinwe Thu 27-Jun-13 13:42:42

Great to hear you so positive Nappybag smile How is everyone else doing?

I've done my second day of Shred today. Not as bad as I'd anticipated...

NotAroundTheEyes Fri 28-Jun-13 08:29:39

<shy> Hello!

I wondered if I could butt in and ask a stupid question? (I had a tiny thread on hypnotherapy a few days ago and a couple of kind folk said I'd be welcome here!)

I have seen a hypnotherapist in person twice, and am reinforcing everything with PK.

At first, everything was staggeringly good. I found myself putting down my knife and fork and unconsciously eating really very little - yet feeling happy, full and content. The difference in just a week in terms of how I look and how my clothes fitted was genuinely amazing (no scales- am banned from them!)

Then two things happened - a hen weekend which ended in tears and was very stressful, and a very good friend came to stay, who is a professional foodie and has a vast appetite.

Between the booze, the tears and the foodie, I feel like the switch which was flicked in my head SO amazingly has been flicked back.

I could FEEL that I wasn't hungry - but still ate.
I could FEEL that I was full up - but carried on.
I didn't particularly want more ice cream, cheese, champagne and cake - but had it anyway.

Does this mean I'm doomed or do these blips happen? I know ICMYT and hypnosis aren't miracles and that I have to do my part, too - if I keep listening and 'practising tenaciously' (to quote from the CD!) will I be able to climb back in the saddle?

Really grateful for advice because I was so happy and now I feel sick and bloated and rather ashamed of myself sad

Rulesgirl Fri 28-Jun-13 09:05:02

I think you have hit the nail o the head. The cd is amazing backup but you still have to do your bit and eat consciously following the four simple rules of eating. I listen to the cd often. If I don't then it's easier to over ride the hypnosis. smile

ppeatfruit Fri 28-Jun-13 10:10:38

Morning all !! Nice to see some busyness on here. I'm very pleased to see you Notaround Welcome grin!! I think we've all been to the place that you've been to!! One of the many great things about Pauling is that you can just go straight back on it the next meal or day or whatever!! without a worry!!

Tinwe I'm not sure how long back you've read these threads but you probably know that I follow my blood type for my health (which deals with food intolerances and the reason why some of us are bad with some foods and some of us not) the books are by Dr Peter D' Adamo. There is also a book about wheat intolerance called Wheat belly by William Davis M.D.

solo I Love the really dark chocolate (it has magnesium and other quite good stuff in it too!) It's the sticky cheap dairy chox i can't stand! btw it's nice to have a proper conversation with you!!

nappy brilliant!

rules the weather has been very 'english' here!!! Thanks for asking. I hear it's the same dhan sarf too!!! I hope it 's okay for veryberry she here on hols isn't she?

Tinwe Fri 28-Jun-13 11:49:25

confused 2 pounds on!

ppeatfruit Fri 28-Jun-13 13:22:26

How often do you weigh Tin? i think that PaulMc. is fascinating about the weighing thing.It could be time of month maybe grin

Rulesgirl Fri 28-Jun-13 13:53:00

Tin you have seemed ti have not had a good week or so food wise from what you have said sad . If you have put two pounds on then it might just be temporary and will come off in a day or two or you have overeaten and not done the rules all the time. That's the thing that I realised is that this is not a quick fix thing. I used to think that it was this woe that was at fault...I mean who on earth can eat what they want and still lose weight!!!!? My answer to myself was.....* I can". It just takes a lot of practice to tune into your real proper hunger. If I'm honest with myself I know I havnt lost any this week cause I have not been eating just when I'm hungry. It's like anything....you have to do it proper and totally mindfully and it will work. On a diet you count " something" on this you eat less when you do the rules. Does that make any sense confused

Hello ladies.

I wrote a post a couple of days ago, came back to the computer today (it has been a very hectic week) and it was still sat there. What an airhead. hmm

Tinwe - I agree with ppeat, my bet is that the 2lb is to do with the time of the month. I think most of us have suffered from a temporary blip because of it. If not that then maybe you have over indulged but there is nothing to say you can't get straight back on the saddle and carry on as you were before. Of course blips happen. Life isn't always predictable or and there are times when you can't or don't want to follow the rules for a day or 2. It isn't the end of the world. I think if you think you have to follow the rules no matter what, no exceptions, that makes it as bad as a diet because you are feeling bad about food which is what we are trying to get away from imo. Sometimes the rules can and should be disregarded for a short time if you want to. You know you can do it - the last week was exceptional (unless you go to hen do's or have guests a lot) so when you return to normal, all will be well. You'll still be able to do it. Pauling is your new normal, after all. smile

mendandmakedo Fri 28-Jun-13 21:28:49

Hi all not had a good day today either NotAroundTheEyes also feeling bloated etc and been eating when I shouldn't just not able to stop.

Tinwe that's a shame re the 2 pounds on but if you have been following the rules it is possible it is a natural fluctuation and it will be a greater loss on your next weigh.

Anyway I have been listening to the cd every night as well but it just went wrong, think I will carry on and will do the exercises in the book to try and get back on track.

Tinwe Sat 29-Jun-13 08:30:38

Thanks all, you've been really supportive. In the interests of science I've weighed myself again and the extra weight is still on hmm
I haven't followed the rules to the letter as I haven't always been able to eat mindfully (due to practical time/company issues) but I've generally watched my portion sizes and haven't eaten when I'm not hungry (eg when I had an icecream late afternoon I skipped tea) and have exercised lots so REALLY expected to lose. If I have to stick exactly to every rule all the time then I don't think I can follow this with my lifestyle

Tinwe Sat 29-Jun-13 08:34:38

Sorry, forgot to ask how everyone else is today? Hope you're feeling cheerier Makeand

ppeatfruit Sat 29-Jun-13 10:01:24

Morning all grin The thing is Tinwe paul mckenna is fairly down on weighing too much. I go by my clothes and looking sideways in the mirror when i'm nakd in the morning (tmi sorry!!)
Also skipping a meal (if you don't feel hungry then eat when you're hungry again but be careful not to go too long) remember that the actual act of eating slowly and digesting uses up calories !).

Mornng!

Tinwe, forgive me from being nosey but why are the scales banned? I don't think we should be banning anything so long as we are not obsessive (more than once a day, fretting about not weighing and that sort of thing). I completely disagree that not weighing is a good thing for everybody. If you are like me, weighing is motivational and not weighing is a sign I am not happy and have completely fallen off the wagon. I stick my head in the sand and don't want to know. Far better to keep an eye on it than have to wait until my clothes are too tight which would be very depressing and would probably mean I have put on at least 1/2 a stone or more. That isn't a blip, that is a problem. Experts seem to disagree about how often to weigh so I do what works for me especially as the weighing advice isn't one of the rules. Don't be made to feel guilty about it if it helps.

Rulesgirl Sat 29-Jun-13 13:04:14

Hi Ladies
Adding my bit here grin
Tinwe my interpretation of the rules is that they are not rules invented by pm, they are the normal way that people with no food issues eat. Eat when your truly hungry( why else would you put food in your body if your not truly hungry?).
Chew rather than just swallow
Eat in a manner of truly tasting and savoring .
Stop when you feel satisfied.
Portion sizes is still diet speak in that your allowing how much is on your plate to dictate how much you eat. As I was saying before, I accept that when I have not lost any weight or have gained that it's because I have eaten more than my body asked for. I think it takes practice to tune into your hunger.

ppeatfruit Sat 29-Jun-13 13:45:27

I agree Rules

BBB I interpret Paul Mckenna's attitude towards obsessive weighing as being that some people allow the scales to dictate their feelings for the day (depression or elation IYSWIM) and he thinks that's not a cool way to look at it; being as weight can sometimes be time of the month or the scales are incorrect etc. Which isn't to say never weigh just maybe once or twice a month.

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sun 30-Jun-13 06:51:09

Well 1st week or so back on pm and it hasn't been an overwhelming success, started so well then pmt hormones kicked in culminating in a day of full on emotional eating yesterday. Woke up this morning feeling so angry with myself, but then came back on here (why didn't I do this sooner???) and given myself a shake. This isn't the end of the world and to be fair if I'd been on a diet this would still have happened, except now I'd be desperately trying to calculate how many syns/points/calories I'd be allowed for the rest of the week rather than thinking all i need to do is just let go and trust my body.
Tinwe I feel your pain, hope you have a better day, week etc. We can do this!

Morning ladies,

Notgood - I like your attitude. smile

You don't have to wait until tomorrow to start again with a fresh load of syns/points/calorie allowances. You can start from now, just don't eat again until you are hungry. It isn't even a wagon to fall off imo. It is more like a small pull along trailer - it is much easier to get back on than a wagon. grin

I agree with most of your sentiment ppeat I just don't think that weighing is such a bad thing. Twice a week is OK imo.

You probably don't remember but a while ago I linked to an article by a nutritionist who agree almost enitirely with the PMK approach but thought people should weigh daily so there were no big shocks and no fretting about whether weighing was 'allowed' - that in itself is unhealthy if you are wondering the whole time about whether or not you have lost, whether your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror (I don't bother for weeks at a time so I have no idea what a full view looks like) and you start planning when to weigh. I suspect that if you are allowed to weigh daily you simply don't bother - I don't. I agree it can be dangerous for a few but I don't think people should feel wrong for weighing nor should it be banned. Banning should be banned imo! grin

ppeatfruit Sun 30-Jun-13 10:22:42

I suppose it all depends on one's outlook at the time of weighing BB I agree about banning being banned BTW (apart from the bomb of course!).

I like the idea of Pauling being a little pull along trailer grin maybe its less than that, just a sideways step to add to the normal forward facing ones (IFYSWIM).

Welcome NotGoodat but as Paul says we all should learn to be kind to ourselves its just a case of breaking unhelpful habits (though of course some habits are very difficult to break hence the hypnosis)!

Tinwe Sun 30-Jun-13 14:22:28

Hello all. Thanks for your thoughts. Thanks for the commeraderie especially Nogoodat. Hope you are feeling better today. On reading your post my first thought was that you had done well to do a whole week with only one bad day! 6/7 of the time you had followed the rules and that's great going! Of course, weight loss will be quicker the more days we can stick to the rules so onwards and upwards!

Having read all the kind feedback people have given following my fed-up-weight-gain-post, here's a few answers:
I weigh myself every few days, a couple of times a week probably. I read some research that said that people that weigh themselves regularly are less likely to be very overweight. That is certainly true for me as the times when I have been most overweight are the times when I have ignored the scales (and tighter clothes etc) as I suspected I would get an answer I didn't like! When I keep a closer eye on my weight I tend to tackle things sooner, before they become such a big problem. Also, on the flip side, when dieting I don't build myself up for a huge weight loss only to be super gutted when I've not lost only a bit disappointed instead hmm

Could be hormones as I'm sort of on/off TOTM at the mo (being on the coil has messed my normal cycle up a bit). Time will tell...

I had a bad week and definitely didn't follow all the rules but had hoped that overall I might have eaten a normalish diet (no splurges or emotional eating just no mindfulness either) which combined with carrying the extra weight and exercise might have made a small loss. I will try to listen to the cd more as it definitely helps.

When I mention portion control I mean that I give myself a smaller portion when I think I might not eat every mouthful mindfully so that it forces me to evaluate whether I really want/need more when it's gone. If I really am still hungry then I will eat more! grin

On a brighter note I'm on a site that prompts me to enter my weight every now and again and logs it on a graph towards my target weight. It got in touch and it seems I'm still 2lb lighter than last time I recorded (maybe a fortnight or a month, not sure). So the comment about slow loss adding up is making me feel better too.

Plus I'm on day 5 of Shred and sticking with it! smile

Tinwe Sun 30-Jun-13 14:36:30

Just checked and its 2lb loss over 3 weeks

Yay! 2lbs in 3wks is great!! grin

"I read some research that said that people that weigh themselves regularly are less likely to be very overweight. That is certainly true for me as the times when I have been most overweight are the times when I have ignored the scales (and tighter clothes etc) as I suspected I would get an answer I didn't like! When I keep a closer eye on my weight I tend to tackle things sooner, before they become such a big problem."

That is exactly how I feel about it! Now you mention it, I think that research you talk was mentioned in the article where the nutritionist said weigh daily. That seems to much for me personally but others might feel differently.

I can't use clothes as a guide. I am pear shaped. My waist bands are always loose and hips are much bigger than waists anyway so a slight gain would barely register on the hips and have no impact at all on how tight a waistband might be because they are never tight.

Rulesgirl Sun 30-Jun-13 16:16:59

Well done Tin and there was you saying you had gained 2lbs. grin
So glad your on the right track and you feel better about it all. The losses can be slow as it can take months to adjust to this woe and to really understand how simple it is once you let go of all other "diet" mentality.
With regards to regular weighing....Im not sure how I feel. On the one hand I think weighing is a negative thing because you are judging yourself each time you hope on the scales. If they are up you feel soooo defeated (as you did Tin and you were thinking of giving up) and you judge yourself all day, feel ugly and fat and it can even send you into an overeating cycle. Being free from the judgement of scales is a good thing and all the mindful overeating books etc tell you not to weigh yourself much at all and let clothes be your guide. That weigh (way)( see what I did there!!!!!grin ) you don't judge yourself on your weight and self sabotage every day. You don't feel bad and insecure and your self esteem doesn't suffer. BUT having said all that I have been a regular weigher and can really feel bad when I jump on to see an increase so havnt been doing it for the last couple of weeks. I go to the gym regularly and do weights and I know that as I tone muscle that my clothes fit better cause the muscle eats up the fat around it and therefore my body shrinks but this will not necessary show any change on the scale. In fact generally when doing weights you will actually gain weight but not fat IYSWIM.

I think the whole weighing thing depends on

1. the sort of person you are - do you find it motivational?
2. the shape you are (the clothes thing just won't work for me)

You could argue that Tinwe was motivated to ask for help after the scales appeared to go up. It was almost a whole week since the Hen do/foodie friend visit and it wasn't until she weighed that she took herself in hand and took stock. Weighing kept her on track, it didn't make her give up even though she thought about it.

I know when I have given up doing this for a while I just don't bother to weigh either

We can all agree to disagree on this one though. I don't think there is one right way for everybody.

On a personal note, I weighed this week but due to ToTM it is more or less the same as last week, maybe slightly up. I know the reason so I am fine with that and look forward to later in the week when it should have gone down again plus a little bit more I hope. smile

ppeatfruit Mon 01-Jul-13 08:30:44

I suppose I'm lucky because i'm at a stage where if my belly looks bigger in the mirror and the waistband on my tracks is tighter (i'm a classic apple shape) i just concentrate harder on P.M. and lose it quickly without weighing! Oh i also do the muffin buster more often!

My stomach is the least of my worries ppeat. grin

It is always the first to reduce. My weight goes to my hips and stays there. I am lucky that I don't bloat up round the middle if I put on a few pounds and of course being pear shaped is generally healthier as you aren't carrying weight around your vital organs so much.

The downside is that as the population becomes more obese, it seems that clothes are made to suit the apple shaped more and more and not so much us pear/hour glassed shaped people. Can't have everything our way I suppose - we can't have fewer health worries and nice clothes although I wouldn't mind being able to buy something, just occasionally that actually fitted round the waist. <<sigh>>

Tinwe Mon 01-Jul-13 21:49:30

Thanks for the positive comments rey little loss. I still think I've put a couple of pounds on since last weigh so would have lost 4 IYSWIM. Still it's heading in the right direction. I've started with a cold though and it's my birthday tomorrow so will have to remember not to comfort eat! hmm

Hour glass here. Measured myself recently in discussion with my sis and I am absolutely classic hour glass proportions. Find it very difficult to get clothes to fit nicely (for reasons previously described). I need lots of stretch so things don't hang like a tent off my big bossom and cover my narrower bits but with stretchy material everything clings too hmm The mixed blessing is that I put weight on evenly all over so I keep my shape and the weight doesn't show so much but it's also v easy to put on a lot before I realise confused Hence the weighing...

NoGoodAtWittyNames Mon 01-Jul-13 22:53:24

I used to be an hour glass but 2 kids have wrecked my once tiny waist and flat stomach so now I have big boobs, big hips, chunky thighs AND a flabby stomach! Oh we'll just keep visualising....

NoGoodAtWittyNames Tue 02-Jul-13 06:24:09

Happy birthday Tinwe! Hope you have a lovely day and the cold doesn't derail you too much. At least you can be safe in the knowledge that with PM, cake for breakfast is perfectly acceptable!!! grin

Happy birthday Tinwe. Hope you have a good day. It's my Dad's birthday too! I shall have cake his cake this pm too and hopefully less dinner. smile.

Nogood. - I think putting on weight has changed me from a pear to a fat hour glass. I have a flabby tum but not as fat as my lower half but I now have bigger boobs and sadly bigger arms. The waist definition is still there, just expanded along with everything else. <<sigh>>

.......Well, that thought was enough to make me think about my cake conversation today. grin.

Consumption not conversation.

How is it possible to be thinking of such a long word and type another very long word instead? confused

ppeatfruit Tue 02-Jul-13 10:06:12

but i generally have conversations about cake BB !!! have a good day today tinwe you're allowed a looong conversation about cake !!!!

NoGoodAtWittyNames Tue 02-Jul-13 11:51:02

Cakes have conversations with me - "I'm so yummy eat me now"!

ppeatfruit Tue 02-Jul-13 16:47:46

NoGood You should see the patisserie shops here OMG the cakes CALL to you they are so beautiful!!! There was one in Poitiers today; a dark chocolate inch thick sponge base then piped whipped cream studded with whole raspberries and a slice of white choc on top in a large triangle shape!!!

ppeatfruit Tue 02-Jul-13 16:49:14

With grated choc. and rose petals on top !!!

NoGoodAtWittyNames Tue 02-Jul-13 17:55:33

[Drowning in own saliva over that cake description]

God bless PM and his rules that we can eat cake and still lose weight!

Off to convince DH we need to move to Poitiers now grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Tue 02-Jul-13 18:23:09

Mmm cake! I've had a lovely sponge cake my grandmother in law baked today - we're down in Devon visiting.

Happy birthday Tinwe!

I don't know what shape I am, I have a round tummy so probably apple but I have boobs too! I am working on the muffin buster at the moment.

French cakes always look gorgeous ppeat. Too pretty to eat almost

The Germans make some rather splendid cakes too.

German cake reminds me that I found a rather good word today on Pinterest. It was a list of words for which there is no English translation. The word was kummerspeck which apparently means the weight you put on from emotional eating -a problem a few of us can identify with a little I think. Well me anyway at times. The literal translation is 'grief-bacon'. It made me laugh and think of ppeat. Not in a bad way ppeat, just that you don't think we should be eating pork. Grief-bacon sounds appropriate. grin

PostBellumBugsy Wed 03-Jul-13 09:42:50

Rulesgirl suggested I post what I posted on the Gastric Band thread here, to see if I could get some advice, so here goes:

OK - so, I read the book, I listened to the CD and did the trance & I started well. I didn't snack between meals, I was serving myself smaller portions and eating mindfully.

This was about 3 weeks ago & now I feel like it has all just disappeared.

At no point have I actually been able to feel full while I am eating. I will feel full afterwards - which is definitely an achievement - but at no point have I felt full after a few mouthfuls.

I was listening to the CD every morning but I found I just kept falling asleep and I was feeling like it wasn't affecting me so much.

Any tips from anyone who has been through this & come out the other side?

Hello PostBellumBugsy,

Welcome!

First of all, you don't sound like you are doing anything wrong to me - you have had a great start.

WRT the CD, do you wake up when PMK says to wake up? If you do, I don't think you are asleep at all, just in the trance where your unconscious mind is taking over. That is totally normal and the CD still works even if you aren't aware of it, especially if you are aware enough to wake when you are told to wake. I don't use the CD as much as I should but I imagine that it isn't going to have the same impact after 3 weeks as it does after the first few days. You will become accustomed to it but that is OK too.

Have you actually lost any weight yet? I know we have been having a discussion about it recently and we all have different opinions about this but I think you need to find out and give yourself some proof that what you are doing is having an effect. It has been 3 weeks. You might be surprised. I think if you see it working you will be encouraged to carry on as you are. On the other hand, if after 3 weeks it isn't working then perhaps you need to be looking at what you are eating.

Finally, forgive me for saying this but the way you write about food sounds like you are on a diet - cutting out snacking, measuring portion size (roughly I know, not calories or weight or anything) and counting mouthfuls. I know Rules feels full after a small number of mouthfuls but I don't. I am not saying she is doing it wrong or that either of us are breaking the rules, just that it isn't something worth counting up front iyswim. Rules has noticed she is full after very few mouthfuls but I don't think she mindfully sets out to eat very few mouthfuls or to count them. After all how many mouthfuls will depend on what you are eating, how big your mouthful is and how hungry you are when you begin so it will vary from person to person - I don't think about how many mouthfuls I have or the size of my portions or even about snacking.

WRT to snacking if you are hungry, you need to eat so if it isn't a meal time and you want to preserve mealtimes with the family as most of us do, then a small snack is not a bad idea and then you eat less later when you are eating with other people. You don't have to cut out snacking but only eat a snack when you are genuinely hungry. Similarly, don't worry about portion size. PMK says to leave some food on the plate just to prove you can and that you know when to stop. You can't do that if you have very small portion sizes because you probably won't have had enough.

Keep doing what you are doing. And pay attention to how you feel. That is the most important thing imo. Listen to your body so that you know when you have had enough. If you eat slowly enough and take your time then you will recognise the feeling that says you have had enough. I think you do but you need to trust that you do. smile

Sorry for rambling!

PostBellumBugsy Wed 03-Jul-13 10:25:56

Hi BBB, thank you for coming back to me.

My primary aim of this is to stop over eating and snacking. I err towards low-carbing, because I have IBS and wheat intolerance and think that high sugar processed foods are very unhealthy.

Yes, I do wake up when Paul tells me too & I'm full of beans and raring to go - but I feel like it isn't working any more. When I first did it, I cut right back on my portions and ate like a snail, whereas my portion sizes seem to have increased again and I'm really struggling to eat slowly.

I don't weigh myself, but my clothes are not any looser (this is how I usually tell if I've lost weight). I would like to be one/two dress sizes smaller. When the GP last weighed me, my BMI was 30, which makes me obese I think. I'm 5ft7" and wear size 14 or 16 clothes depending on who makes them.

Should I go back to listening to the CD again? I feel like I've lost confidence in it.

How long does it take to re-wire ourselves?

ppeatfruit Wed 03-Jul-13 10:35:41

Morning all ref. the cakes they are sometimes much too sweet and not worth eating but we have a pet choclatier who make the very best cakes and sell their own chocolate like they sell coffee beans in the Algerian Coffee stores Soho or wines (you taste them) 'sublime'.

Yup I totally agree with BBB's extremely good and detailed advice Postbellum

BTW BBB there are a couple of world religions who happen to have a downer on pork too !!!

I know ppeat, I was teasing you really.

The Arthritis Society or whatever it is called says to cut back on pork, I think. You were the one who has mentioned it a few times, that's all, and with some justification. smile

PostBellum - yes, keep listening to the CD.

Maybe you cut back the portion size too far to begin with? There is no right answer. I assume that you have been overeating for a while so it will take a time for your appetite to adjust and your stomach to shrink a little. I bet you are still eating less than you used to be. Try not to worry about any of that - just concentrate on how you feel for a bit. It takes some time for it become a habit.

I just googled to see how long it took for a habit to form. I thought it was something like 21 days of daily repetition so I checked and found this. It is a bit long but the bottom line is that 21 days is a myth and they reckon a habit takes at least 66 days to form which means you are not likely to feel entirely comfortable with this yet.

Actually, that explains a lot. I think some of us who have fallen off the wagon probably haven't given it long enough on that basis. It takes a lot longer than I think most of us would predict. A bit depressing but at least we can have realistic expectations.

HadALittleFaithBaby Wed 03-Jul-13 11:20:41

Hi bugsy. It sounds to me like you're trying to control your eating still. I think it sounds like it is making a difference. If you're only going by clothes sizes it will take longer to notice a difference compared with weighing yourself. Are you taking care to apply the rules - particularly are you making sure you're hungry when you eat? Putting down your knife and fork between bites and chewing? It takes me a fair amount of mouthfuls to feel full. I'll generally ESH at least 3/4 of my meal at least.

I would definitely persevere with the CD and dip back into the book if I were you! smile

I am enjoying a holiday in Devon with DH's family who live down here. Tis lovely but I keep munching on sweets when I'm not really hungry! Need to listen to the trance if I can!

PostBellumBugsy Wed 03-Jul-13 11:37:22

You are all great & doing a good job of encouraging me to stick with it.

I definitely feel full after a meal - which is progress.

I have years & years of bad eating and I am particularly prone to eating when I'm tired or bored. I eat far, far too quickly - like I am in some really pressing hurry and I am learning to eat more slowly / mindfully but it is a giant effort and I find it easy to slip. However, that doesn't mean I shouldn't do it, I just need to try harder.

I find it very difficult to know what I want to eat, as it is things like cheesecake, chocolate and more chocolate that call out to me. I never, ever think - "oh wouldn't a salad be lovely right now", so I force myself to eat salads & proper meals with vegetables - when actually what I really, really want is to have is a huge slab of home made gluten free brownie with double cream.

ppeatfruit Wed 03-Jul-13 13:53:19

I'm glad you're enjoying your hols Hadalittle There's not much to beat Devon when the sun's shining! The weather's just broken here so probably veryberry 's getting wet sad.

NoGoodAtWittyNames Wed 03-Jul-13 23:27:12

PostBellum don't worry about eating what you think you should, follow the rules and eat what you want, you will find you stop wanting chocolate and do start wanting healthier options naturally but if you force yourself to have a salad your not following the rules, you're still trying to diet. For what it's worth I've just done my first 2 weeks back on PM and I haven't eaten a single piece of fruit and hardly any vegetables, all I've fancied is carbs and dairy. But I'm not worried as i know at some point my body will need the nutrients etc from veg etc and I will find myself fancying a salad or similar, but right now after 2 months of trying to restrict myself to just 1200 calories a day my body obviously needs the good fats etc that come from dairy and carbs. PM gives an example in the book

NoGoodAtWittyNames Wed 03-Jul-13 23:29:43

Sorry posted too soon... An example of how in a study toddlers were able to choose whatever they wanted to eat and all ended up eating a balanced diet. So give in to your temptations, as long as your truly hungry and eating slowly and consciously have that slab of ch

NoGoodAtWittyNames Wed 03-Jul-13 23:29:51

Ch

NoGoodAtWittyNames Wed 03-Jul-13 23:30:15

Chocolate

And I give up!!!!

HadALittleFaithBaby Wed 03-Jul-13 23:35:39

I agree. I also have to listen hard to my body and say Okay, what do I want? usually chocolate and sweets okay, what does my body really want? then I find myself fancying fruit or veg more. I try to shop for tasty food that's good for me like hoummous and peppers, fruit I'll enjoy. Then it's win/win. At the moment you're still eating what you think you should, not what you actually want.

NoGoodAtWittyNames Thu 04-Jul-13 07:21:56

Just wanted to add one more thing, PostBellum by denying yourself these things you're giving them power over you. In your head they become 'special' foods, when all chocolate is is another form of fuel. Fundamentally, our bodies need calories to survive, you could just live on a diet of crisps and chocolate, you wouldn't be especially healthy, but you wouldn't die. So give yourself permission to eat these foods and I bet they'll soon lose some of their appeal. Good luck!

ppeatfruit Thu 04-Jul-13 07:30:35

Yes notGood and when you eat the cheap milk stuff REALLY SLOWLY AND CONSCIOUSLY it tastes disgusting !!!! it's actually inedible!!! I eat the best dark ginger, or mint and it's still gorgeous when eaten in the required Paul mckenna way!!! You can't eat much though!!!

ppeatfruit Thu 04-Jul-13 07:31:58

Sorry all GOOD MORNING btw!! (I was so excited about the chocolate thing grin !!!

PostBellumBugsy Thu 04-Jul-13 08:57:03

I don't like or even eat cheap milk chocolate - I like the expensive 70% plus stuff! I just don't have a stop button. I can suck on squares of it all day.

I am terrified to eat what I want - because I don't feel full when I eat, so I can pack away a lot of food very quickly. The evenings are the worst, because I'm knackered and I really want a huge energy boost from my food. Am going to have to think on this a bit - but thank you all. I'm going to try and persevere.

Tinwe Thu 04-Jul-13 09:31:36

I wrote a long post about cake and chocolate but its gone! Oh we'll.

Just to add a suggestion. Have you made sure you've had plenty to drink before you eat so you're sure it's hunger not thirst? Thirst can make you feel tired too at night. And are you waiting til you're very hungry before eating? Once you've taken the edge off the hunger (eg with a drink) sometimes it's easier to evaluate what to eat. I understand about certain foods bring weak spots though and that's why there's a craving buster in the PM programme. I know chocolate is a weak spot for me to start a bit of a binge so I do allow myself it when I'd feel deprived without (eg someone bought me a chocolate cake at work) but try not to choose if there's a choice, eg custard cream not choc digestive! I don't consider that giving it power as I'm making an educated choice that its not good for me in one way or another

Rulesgirl Thu 04-Jul-13 10:27:29

Post this woe really does take a good six months to adjust to and to understand properly . You have to let go of your diet mentality totally. Read the book a few times and really follow the rules whenever you go to the kitchen. When you open a cupboard or the fridge, stop and say, am I truly hungry and if so what do I really really want. Learning when your really hungry is important. When you feel this way there is almost a desperate need to eat that you cannot override and will grab at anything. So you need to be on the level before that where you can actually take time to make something to eat that you want smile
Did you do low carb before?

PostBellumBugsy Thu 04-Jul-13 10:43:44

Thank you Rules - you are right remembering to be hungry is key. I find I do ok with this until I hit the evening and then everything gets confused and I'm not sure if I'm hungry or tired.

I'm going to have to think about what I want to eat too - as so often I simply don't know!!!!!

NoGoodAtWittyNames Thu 04-Jul-13 11:48:54

I think one of the keys as well you could be you mentioned in one of your posts that you "pack a lot away very quickly". If you focus

NoGoodAtWittyNames Thu 04-Jul-13 11:52:49

On really slowing down and stopping as soon as you think you might be full (even if you're not sure, still stop, you can always eat again later) and then distract yourself with something else. I find sometimes if I stop but the foods still there I'll carry on picking, but if I walk away and do something else I won't think about it again. Especially if the thing you distract yourself with is a treat type thing like a nice hot bath or giving yourself a manicure

ppeatfruit Thu 04-Jul-13 12:15:25

I find if I've eaten the amount that usually makes me feel full I just stop and in a few minutes,maybe five or so, I DO get the full feeling (it just takes a bit longer sometimes).

At nights I don't eat eat after 7.3o or so even if I feel hungry (against the rules I know but I also know what makes me gain weight; also strangely eating late makes me hungrier in the morning) so I'll have a cup of camomile tea and some fruit if I feel really hungry. I go to bed around 10.30 though!!

I was just going to repeat what others have said really (thought I had actually but my post seems not to be there. confused)

If you do nothing else at all, don't think what you eat, when or how much, you will still be able to do this if you just slow down and listen to your body and what it us telling you. If you eat when you are hungry, eat what you want but most importantly, eat slowly so you have time to register how you feel, it will all come good. Slow eating is the key. It is hard sometimes if you have to wait for food but it is the thing to focus on.

If you had a chance to read my link on habit forming it takes a lot longer than you think for this to be automatic ( don't blame if you haven't - it was v. Long,). Rules is right to say it could be six months. It isn't surprising when you think of the years of poor eating choices we have made. I think many of us either don't realise it takes longer or get despondent when we don't find our eating habit permanently changed in 6 weeks let alone 6 months and if the weight doesn't come off in those 6 weeks we give up or at least stop trying. I know that has happened to me many times. I know better now but we shall see where that takes me smile

Rulesgirl Thu 04-Jul-13 14:14:15

Yep BBB your right. One other thing I think though is that don't eat until your FULL eat until your satisfied. Not the same thing. Satisfied is when you feel that you have quelled the strong hunger pangs and don't have to continue eating. That for me is when I stop. If I go on till im full then I feel I have eaten too much and feel sluggish. If I eat till im satisfied then I have more energy. That's why for me it can be say .....4 mouth fulls of something....that's when I mentally check in and see if I still need more or if im satisfied. I can always eat more later (even if its an hour later) if I get hungry again. But its unlikely that I would feel that strong strong hunger signal until 3 hours later.
pp Good afternoon to you. Whats the weather like in France this last week? smile I would have to disagree with the "don't eat after seven" bit. You need to eat when your hungry whenever that is. Does it actually say that in Pauls book? We don't sit down to dinner till about ten most days . Thing is when you need fuel, you need fuel. I have been known to get up at 6 am and go downstairs and have a banana or a mars bar (haha) because im really really hungry and then go back to bed for a few hours.

PostBellumBugsy Thu 04-Jul-13 14:49:42

Thank you all - lots of really good tips here to help me stick with it. smile

ppeatfruit Thu 04-Jul-13 14:57:05

As I said rules I know that not eating a meal after 7.30ish is against the rules, but I don't feel hungry usually so that's correct, when it can't be helped (going out or whatever) it is guaranteed to stop my metabolism and make me unusually hungry the next morning.

smileThe weather is changeable here (like England) the meteo says a heatwave is approaching so I'll shut the shutters and stay indoors (i'm not good in the heat!) I'll get the bleedin' grass cut this evening it's a jungle out there!

Rulesgirl Thu 04-Jul-13 15:57:32

Sorry pp I sooo read what you said wrong. I thought you said the pm says we shouldn't eat after 7.00 and I was like....shock cause I couldn't understand why he would say that. Again ...apologies. grin
Well it has definitely warmed up here after what seems like weeks of rain, but is probably only a few days. Just been sitting in the sun and starting to feel sooo much better. I love being in the sun (not sunbathing mind). I think it is sooo healthy for you in many ways and we do not get enough of it in this country. I grew up in a hot country and always felt good and energetic and healthy. Here people always seem so much happier and content with life with the sun shines.

Rulesgirl Thu 04-Jul-13 16:23:27

pp you say you don't like the sun, can I ask why you moved to France? That was always why I thought you had done it you see.

ppeatfruit Fri 05-Jul-13 08:24:47

grin Rules Morning. Well basically we are francophiles we love the french lifestyle etc., also DH works all over Europe, we moved to mid north west Fr.NOT for the sun it's very like England here maybe a bit hotter in the summer and colder in the winter I love real seasons too! (we had a flat in Cannes for a few years; it was TOOOO hot even dh who is olive skinned and dark haired couldn't cope with the heat!!)
I'm fair skinned and blonde i just go red in the sun (not tanned) i have to wear fake tan to look tanned!!! My ideal weather is approx 23C with a coolish breeze! To be cool at night is important for sleeping well IMHO!!

ppeatfruit Fri 05-Jul-13 08:27:41

i've go to get out to garden before the sun reaches the terrace!

Tinwe Fri 05-Jul-13 12:43:10

Hi all! Hows everyone doing?

Two people have recently said that it looks like I've lost weight (without knowing I'm trying to) so feeling buoyed up. Really haven't lost that much but I suppose scales don't always reflect fat loss due to water retention or muscle gain etc. Still sticking with the Shred exercise too so pleased with my efforts, just wish it could all happen faster! grin

DH has got me a spa day for my birthday so I've got an added incentive as I'll be seen in my swimming costume! shock

ppeatfruit Fri 05-Jul-13 13:32:53

Tinwe That sounds good sometimes other people see us more objectively grin.

When we were having a meal with all the family and to meet the future in-laws! before the wedding DS was saying mum you've lost sooo much weight!! i don't think I'd lost more since Easter when I last saw him, maybe it was what i was wearing grin (the first time he's seen me without polo necks on for a while)!

When are you going to the spa? Lucky you!

Rulesgirl Fri 05-Jul-13 13:57:33

ooooo it's a lovely day here too pp. I have to agree with you about seasons .....I love them. One of the reasons I live here in Wales and not in Australia.grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 05-Jul-13 18:39:58

It's glorious here in Devon! We've been to Paignton today. Had GF fish and chips on the beach! So nice we've decided to stay an extra day smile

ppeatfruit Fri 05-Jul-13 19:21:29

HadA Have you been to Totnes yet? there's a lovely boat trip from Dartmouth up the river to it. Also a steam train ride. When the weather's nice there's nowhere to beat the west country IMO!! Oh also there's a beach called Blackpool that's stunning near Dartmouth!

Tinwe Fri 05-Jul-13 19:45:23

Good to hear you're having a lovely holiday Hada smile

Tinwe Fri 05-Jul-13 19:54:17

Ppeat - I'm hoping it shows on the scales soon too so I can be reassured. wink
Not sure when the spa is, I'm really excited though. DH tried to book without telling me but got a bit lost in the choices so in the end I chose the venue/package and have left it to DH to surprise me with a booking day/time. Means I will have to stay freshly leg shaved and self tanned until further notice! grin

Back on topic, I've decided to dig out my success journal from last time to keep me motivated and on track too. I think a target will help, so I'll go for the 90 days. It's working for the 30 day Shred and that's pretty hard to motivate yourself for! grin

ppeatfruit Fri 05-Jul-13 21:13:48

You must tell me which beach sells GF fish and chips BTW HadA grin Our GD lives in Totnes in case you're thinking how come she knows about Totnes!!

OMG I hate staying leg shaved and fake tanned (I can't tan naturally) Tin I hope you don't have long to wait!

Rulesgirl Fri 05-Jul-13 21:44:30

Tin that is a brilliant idea. Then you will be focused on doing it for the 90 days and then review it. I think I will join you and dig out my success diary too......exciting. grin

Rulesgirl Fri 05-Jul-13 21:45:29

By the way ladies, I am always freshly leg shaven and fake tanned. Not too dark though and only in summer wink

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 05-Jul-13 21:46:38

It was a fish and chip shop up the road from the beach at Paignton pp. Same road Sports direct is on and opposite a Wetherspoon's. I'll ask my cousin in law what it's called.

We went to Totnes yesterday! Not enough time for a boat trip but had a late lunch and mooches round the shops. Found a great 2nd kids shop so bought a few bits.

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 05-Jul-13 21:47:26

tin the spa sounds great! smile

And for the 3rd time of trying to post -

Faith -am very envy about your trip to Devon. My mother's family comes from there so we have spent a lot of time there over the years. Our last proper holiday was in Paignton too, 2 yrs ago. I hope you enjoy your extra day.

Tinwe - How lovely having people notice you have lost weight. Whatever you are doing it is working! smile

I am having a lovely Friday evening hmm

I am trying to remove adware from my computer. Bastard malware/adware/general crappy malicious software. angry

Apparently this one (Babylon) is very difficult to get rid of. No kidding. <<sigh>>

Hope the rest of you are having a better time.

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 07:21:04

Tinwe that's fantastic! Just goes to show the scales mean jack! I don't care what I weigh as l

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 07:22:09

long as I can wear a size 10!

ppeatfruit Sat 06-Jul-13 08:12:42

Yup very true about the scales NoGood grin Morning all!! You know BB one of the reasons I don't do links is that they 'allow' other stuff in like the software you're trying to get rid of (i must admit DH periodically 'cleans up' my computer) i know I should do it but I'm shxx at it. i was trying to forward some pix to his computer just now could I do it?? No way grin blush.

You could've waved to GD if you were near Dartington yesterday HadA [grin ]hanks for the info about the F & C shop BTW!!

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 09:14:51

Although saying that just done my fortnightly weigh in and I've lost 5lb which I'm chuffed about (I try to avoid the scales for this very reason, as my mood is totally dictated by what they say!) Yet to have any

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 09:16:40

one comment on my weight loss though which I guess goes back to my original c

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 09:18:13

comment!

And I apologise for all the disjointed messages - my phone drives me nuts! angry

ppeatfruit Sat 06-Jul-13 10:33:37

YAAAY Well done on the 5ibs!!!!*NoGood*grin

Rulesgirl Sat 06-Jul-13 12:50:52

Another Yay here too..smile

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 12:59:43

Thank you! This thread is the best incentive/support ever grin

Yay from me too Notgood! grin

Ppeat I think it came from downloading Firefox which is actually a legitimate web browser. It isn't just some random download. I am not sure why it is so rated as a browser (it does seem much faster than Explorer but then most things seem to be these days) now I find out after downloading it that this Babylon search engine has a way of hijacking it. <<sigh>>

Tinwe Sat 06-Jul-13 14:59:41

Wow Nogood! That is a great weight loss! Well done.

Have you just been following Paul or exercising too?

ppeatfruit Sat 06-Jul-13 16:32:39

I really don't understand the compooter at all BBB how I get things on my desktop that I don't remember downloading ! Yes I know Firefox it's okay isn't it? i don't know fxxx about it really grin blush .There needs to be a MN course on it!

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 17:28:19

Thanks BBB and Tinwe!

Tinwe I've been Pauling about 80% of the time (still got lots of bad habits to break!) and I've been trying to exercise too - I've stupidly signed up for the Great North Run so trying to jog as much as poss (not easy when you've got a 3 yr old and 1 yr old to look after all day and then having to work 5 evenings a week - at least that's my excuse haha!)

ppeatfruit Sat 06-Jul-13 17:37:56

You'll soon a positive ghost of yourself NotGood !!!!

Rulesgirl Sat 06-Jul-13 19:35:48

Hi Tin I saw you on Pinks thread. I've been following since it started in the early hours. She will be having it any time now, I'm sure grin

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 19:36:03

Here's hoping!!!

Tinwe Sat 06-Jul-13 20:51:31

Hi Rules! Spotted you there too! So exciting! Poor woman labouring in this heat. My worst worry is that I've over eaten a delicious tea tonight grin

Tinwe Sat 06-Jul-13 20:56:27

Nogood - you're the kind if woman at mother and baby groups who puts me to shame I can tell... I arrive late, hot and sticky with bits of porridge on my clothes and face from feeding DD2, flustered, babies hanging off each hip and the biggest nappy bag you've ever seen strapped across my back and you're already there looking effortlessly fashionable, tanned, slim and relaxed, sipping a herbal tea and talking about the long run you went on that morning hmm grin

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sat 06-Jul-13 21:05:49

Haha I wish Tin I'm definitely more slummy than yummy! Maybe one day I'll be organised, well groomed and in possession of a capsule wardrobe but that's certainly not today!

FeeHutch Sat 06-Jul-13 22:10:36

Hi everyone
I started ICMYT on Monday and have been reading this thread for a couple of weeks. I accidentally got slightly drunk and just eat a whole pizza I didn't really want and now have the guilt.

So, despite the fact we have never 'talked' before please feel free to either berate me for my lapse or be nice to me. Either works for me. Plus this is an easy way to mark my place in this thread.

Thank you smile

Rulesgirl Sat 06-Jul-13 23:05:41

Hi Fee and Welcome. Don't worry about the pizza . Doesn't matter at all. Just don't eat until your hungry.....could be 2 hours could be 12 could be longer. Just wait till you really need food again, eat following the 4 golden rules and stop as soon as you feel satisfied rather than actually full full. grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 06-Jul-13 23:09:53

Hello Fee! No guilt with Paul! Chalk it up to experience and start afresh from now! Tell us more about yourself!

Brilliant news NoGood.

Tin I'm just the same as you if it's any consolation! smile

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 06-Jul-13 23:10:25

overuse of ! In first paragraph!!!!!!

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sun 07-Jul-13 08:22:09

Hi Fee, welcome! Totally agree with everything Rules said. I had a binge last Saturday night and then on Sunday didn't eat until 3pm (this is unheard of for me!) I kept 'checking in' using the hunger scale in the book but I wasn't genuinely hungry til then. And this is despite going for an 8 mile run in the morning (I'd just like to stress this wasn't out of guilt for the binge, but because I'm training for the great north run and Sunday's my long run day) so if I hadn't done this I may well have not eaten all day. Just remember Paul said you would mess up but it's ok, all part of learning this new WOE. Good luck!

ppeatfruit Sun 07-Jul-13 10:11:55

Morning everyone grin You're very welcome Fee As you've been reading this thread you'll know we don't do much berating! In fact as Paul Mc says we are into being kind to ourselves and everyone else (Tin let's all be positive about ourselves!!! I'm sure you and the porridge look lovely!!!)

The beauty of P.M. is that if it goes a bit awry on one day or even 2 or moregrin then when you're ready you just resume the waiting till you're hungry and eating slowly and MINDFULLY!! etc. etc.grin

NoGood You're running in this heat??!! i wish you luck and wear a proper hat and suncream (sorry I sound like my mum but mums DO speak sense don't they? grin)

FeeHutch Sun 07-Jul-13 10:31:19

Thank you all for that welcome smile
Well I'm 33, have 2 girls aged 7 and 5 called Rosie and Mirrie. I've always struggled with my weight and have a history of disordered eating in my teens and early 20's. I'm finding Mr M very useful because the food is all just food rather than being good or bad and it is lovely to be free of calorie counting and failure. I'm really into mindfulness too and mindful eating has been a big challenge because I'm so used to trying to stifle feelings with food.
So yes anyway, that's me. I'm using the 90 day success journal and give this a really good go.

ppeatfruit Sun 07-Jul-13 10:49:21

Nice to meet you and the girls Fee grin At the start it's helpful to get into the CDs (the hypnosis side is really good esp. if you've got a history of disordered eating).Though IMO in our society there's not really a 'normal' way of eating apart from P.M. of course and some people look at it as weird !!

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 13:21:47

Morning Fee Morning Ladies,
Fee I too have a disorded relationship with food. Its awful itsnt it. I seem to have spent the best part of my life worrying about food. My mother is a seriel dieter and pretty well starved herself but she did also gorge and then throw up. She brought me up to not eat much food at all to be slim and praised me when I didn't eat and lost weight and told me off and called me names when I gained weight and dared to eat anything other than what she gave me. Very sad really. I still struggle with food but eating mindfully which I ventured into about 15 years ago has helped me to feel so much better about myself and my relationship with food. PM hypnosis tapes are just so relaxing and they really work for me as I find myself standing in the kitchen questioning if im hungry and what am I hungry for etc. grin

ppeatfruit Sun 07-Jul-13 14:00:35

sad about your mum rules did you ever discuss it with her?

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 15:46:46

No. I just believed that that was the way things are. You do when your a child don't you. Even as an adult she would judge me by my size and I always failed to come up to her expectations. I would diet myself down a stone or two before I would go to visit her just to get her approval. I now have a very warped mirror view of myself and do not see what others see. I think I was very lucky that I never developed bulimia or anorexia really. My saving grace was that I loved food too much (lol). I didn't discuss it with her however I did have therapy to deal with my childhood. Still I believe it has made me a better parent especially to my daughter who has grown up with no food issues at all. I have always provided all and any food in our house including chocolate crisps cakes etc so my children have never seen chocolate or cakes as treats. They just see them as....food. Therefore they hardly ever bother eating them really and chocolate can be in our house for weeks with no one touching it. Its just food, not bad not good. She is a size 8 with a gorgeous little figure and eats food whenever she is hungry and eats quite a lot actually but her weight stays the same. So although I have huge food hangups at least my children don't. smile...thanks for asking.

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 15:47:52

By the way, my daughter is now 23.

ppeatfruit Sun 07-Jul-13 16:38:18

It's a shame Rules Though funnily I never thought my body was 'right' but I put that down to doing ballet and always comparing myself to the other smaller slimmer girls (and I wasn't fat) weird isn't it?

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 16:40:54

Paul McKenna woe is very good for teaching women how to have a normal healthy relationship with food again as he shows that food is just that really....food.

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 16:42:59

Did you have food issues as a child or adult * pp*.?

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 16:45:07

pp I believe ballet is very unforgiving with regard to women's weight. Most end up bulimic and distorted body images.

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 16:57:25

Thing is though Im a very positive person who always looks at life as glass half full live in the moment type. So although it was all quite crap I have never allowed things to get me down. You have to make the most of your life as it is, don't you. Find happiness in the smallest simplest things..... (shut me up please...I'm really on one today ar' nt I...haha. Hope everyone is enjoying this glorious weather. grin grin grin grin

Hello ladies.

I suspect Rules, that your glass half full mentality is probably what saved you from a full blown eating disorder. You naturally have a positive outlook so although your body image is distorted you haven't let it define you. Just a bit of pop pschology for you though. wink

I'm not sure it is glorious weather - too hot for me, delicate English rose that I am.grin On the plus side, it kills my appetite when it is this hot which is not a bad thing. We had chicken, new potatoes and salad for lunch which has to be an improvement on a roast which is v. hard to refuse. That always tests my resolve to stop when I have had enough.

We bought DS2 a bike yesterday. He is nearly 10 and can't ride one so we thought we ought to do something before he moves into yr 5 and has to do cycling proficiency. DS1 can't ride a bike because of his dyspraxia so it isn't something that we do in our family but DS2 needs a bit of independence and some exercise during the school hols so we thought it would be a good time to get him one. He is doing OK but it is too hot to be outside practicing today, particularly the bit where I hold him up whilst he practices pedalling. <<wilts>> Hopefully he will get it soon.

Anyway, whilst we were in the bike shop I noticed a very lovely 'sit up and beg' bike which is tempting me back to having a go at cycling, something I haven't done since school really. I don't want one of these modern bikes where you have to have the right gear. I want one with a mud guard and a parcel shelf and a pastel coloured frame - all very ladylike. grin

BTW Rules, which bit of Wales are you in? PIL live in N Wales, Colwyn Bay. Are you up the top of Wales like them or down south?

By gear, I mean the right clothing not mechanical gear btw. I don't want to have to get changed just to go for a bike ride. <<lazy>>

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 19:47:26

Hi BBB. You know what, I think your right. I was left alone a lot in my childhood as I was an only child and my parents were always going out day and night and leaving me alone (I know, wouldn't happen today would it shock. I was a latchkey kid and went to boarding school later on while my parents went to Europe but I think all that just made me a very independent person who always looked for ways to make herself happy and feel secure.
So, Colwyn Bay.....I live near Caernarfon. (small world).
I love the sound of your bike. With all the hills and mountains this end and the fact that I live out in the sticks a bike has to be a mountain bike otherwise I would be forever off and pushing it lol.
I have just spent an hour in my outside shed gym and I was sweating so much I actually dripped.....hows that for unladylike!!! Had a lovely bath after and then had a Magnum White ice cream. Divine. I am now actually off to make chicken, new potatoes and salad with garlic and parsley butter. Yum!!!
DH and I had a lovely day in Llandudno yesterday. Just browsing around Waterstones, had coffee and cake and then went for a walk along the seafront. smile

Tinwe Sun 07-Jul-13 20:09:14

Hello all, "old" and new! smile

Been reading all your posts and feeling re inspired to get back on track, thanks. Anyone feeling bad for wandering off the rules, I'm right alongside you today. I've had another week with minimal weight loss despite being fairly good ending in an unrelated to the lack of weight loss splurge today...

Took DH DD1 and 2 for an icecream but they gave us huge portions and after a long while the girls still weren't leaving til it was all gone, so I 'shared' their icecream between them (and me) to speed things up. I'd already had my portion and really didn't want anymore (honest) but shovelling a bit into my mouth when they weren't looking definitely saved a tantrum or two! confused Then unexpected guests this afternoon lead to an impromptu barbecue whereas I probably wouldn't have eaten til this evening or tomorrow otherwise. NOT a very mindful day.

Plus my blooming cold is still lingering since last Tuesday so I'm constantly blowing my nose and I've pulled a muscle in my bum doing exercise! grin

Oh, I've been to Caernarfon! Nice place! It isn't very far from CB, is it?! I think Llandudno is one of my favourite places in N Wales. One of our regular trips is to walk along the end of the pier and buy hot chocolate or an ice cream, depending on what time of year it is (we go for a week in February). We usually go to Waterstones as well as walking around the quieter side on the West Shore. It is indeed a small world. I actually did one of my design assignments for my City and Guilds based on the view from the top of the Llandudno car park, looking across to Snowdonia. grin

DH actually went to boarding school in CB and his parents bought a house there as a base whilst his father was in the army. Since he left their house was first their holiday home and then their retirement home so I have been going up there for 20 yrs now for one reason and another. Good grief! I must be getting old!

I am very impressed by your hour long gym session, drips and all. The Magnum sounds like an excellent idea after all that effort. I bet it tasted great!

I've been slobbing on the sofa this afternoon, staying out of the heat and catching up on some emails and Governor minutes I should have typed up days ago. I am so far behind with things after all the sewing I have had to do. It must be cooling down now though - I am beginning to get hungry. grin

NoGoodAtWittyNames Sun 07-Jul-13 21:37:03

Oh Rules I just wanted to give you a big hug when I read about your mum, you're so amazing for not letting this beat you and for successfully not passing this on to your daughter, you're v inspirational. This is one of the reasons I'm determined to make this my WOE for life so I don't pass my bad habits onto my DD, as my mum did with me.

Tin just remember whatever the scales are saying you're looking like you're losing weight and that's the most important thing and the good thing about a bad today is that it'll never happen again (cheesy but true!)

Rulesgirl Sun 07-Jul-13 21:53:50

Thank you NoGood smile. That's why I really want to make this woe work for life. Its just so easy to not have to think of food in any way other than ....well.....just food really IYKWIM.
Tin....you said "minimal weight loss....did you lose some then? Cause some is great, losing none but staying the same is also great, gaining a bit is not a problem cause you can easily drop it again when refocused smile . It is just the way it is that we sometimes eat for reasons other than true hunger like you with the icecream and your children. I used to do that with the kids leftovers until someone pointed out to me that I am using me as the bin rather than putting unwanted food in the real bin. That really made me stop doing it cause Im worth more than that shock Hope you enjoyed the bbq, if you enjoy it then its fine isn't it. You probably wont eat now for a long while if you just go back to the rules.
BBB Your design from the top of Llandudno Shopping Center sounds amazing. Would like to see it smile . Im about 10 miles from Caernarfon, in the mountains overlooking the sea on the coast. Tis lovely.
Ive really upped my exercise in the gym. Im now doing bike for 20 mins, sit ups/crunchies, lunges, and then the weights session.... I also run occasionally. Do you know what, I feel so good afterwards but have to really motivate myself to bloody go and do it. grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 07-Jul-13 22:44:30

I'm sorry it was tough for you Rules but I really admire your attitude with your kids! That's what I hope for with Faithlet.

Well we've had a wonderful time on holiday in Devon with DH's family. Didn't really want to leave, even though we were staying with family! Just goes to show how well we get on with his cousin and his wife smile It was really interesting talking to her actually. They were doing 5:2 diet and stopped while we were visiting. She said he was really angry and intense on fast days. He teaches karate and if he taught on fast days she was really worried about him! She only did it to support him. She's never been a dieter but eats what she fancies (within reason be a use she's a coeliac and lactose intolerant). Her weight fluctuates but when she gets to her heavier weight she naturally cuts out stuff she'd graze on and her weight drops again. A natural Paulet I think!

I am back on it as of now. I'm having major body/self-esteem issues. I've been heavier than this but am trying to come to terms with the changes to my body post-pregnancy: I naively thought it wouldn't be too bad since I only gained a stone. I didn't realise it would still change my shape! I want to start Pauling efficiently and exercising more smile

Rulesgirl Mon 08-Jul-13 00:02:38

Hi Faith . Glad you've had a lovely holiday. Interesting about your relatives and their eating habits. I think most people get grumpy without food. I know I do grin Please don't worry about your shape. You've just had a beautiful baby . Give yourself a year at least before your anywhere near normal. Your body will go back more or less eventually. wink

You know the cliche Faith, you and your body have grown a baby. Things have changed shape but for the very best of reasons. I know, it is corny but it is true. You'll get some of your old shape back. It just takes a time.

Ha! Cross post with Rules. Both of us can't be wrong. grin

Rulesgirl Mon 08-Jul-13 02:01:13

Lol!!!! BBB grin

HadALittleFaithBaby Mon 08-Jul-13 07:02:10

grin yeah. I know you're (both!) right. I just don't have many trousers that fit and I don't want to wear maternity stuff! Had to buy stuff a size up. I'm too worried about what people think of me!

No, don't worry about other people. People can see you have had a baby - nobody is judging or thinking you should be in smaller clothes, they'll be too busy cooing at the gorgeous baby Faithlet. grin

Get things with drawstrings or elasticated waists - there are always plenty around this time of year because they are lightweight fabrics and they are forgiving so you can probably buy the size you want and they will adjust as your body does. Another three months, in the autumn, you will have been Pauling and exercising and when you need the chunky fabrics and the fixed waistband, I bet you fit into them.smile

ppeatfruit Mon 08-Jul-13 10:09:37

Wow it's been busy on our thread! morning all!! grin Rules No i never had food issues as such I just thought I looked fat in photos. I admire you too for overcoming all that negativity from your M. It's difficult to do and some people never do! Although my DM was always dieting she never even suggested that we did, so apart from remembering her horrible dry (special diet) rolls that she ate, she was good with food (like the co-op!) though of course I suppose it would 've rubbed off a bit! (The the bit about 5:2 I don't get; DH was nearly climbing the walls when he tried it; the LBS would 've affected me too).

Come ON HadA you have just done as your name says!!! As BBB says I wouldn't give a shxx what anyone thinks!!! get some soft waist trax and don't worry at all (although a few gentle muffin busters would help you!!)

BB I 've just finished cutting the grass in our rather large garden (I do it in stages in the early morning) and I try to view it in a positive way (it's exercise ain't it? grin) same as pushing yr. DS2 on his bike (i'm fair too and try to keep out of the midday sun my redness is'nt a lovely look)!!

My mum had dry rolls - I wonder if they are the same ones. Like bread rolls with all the moisture taken out. They were almost like bread flavoured honeycomb. Actually, I thought they bloody lovely but with loads of butter. Not that I was supposed to eat them because they were expensive and only for my mum. Don't tell my mum I used to pinch one occasionally. grin

Rulesgirl Mon 08-Jul-13 13:03:50

I thought they were a bit like dust myself . My mother had them too and then she discovered that having really burnt black toast and then scraping the burn off, was less calories haha. wink

ppeatfruit Mon 08-Jul-13 14:02:43

They were called Energen IIRC , they were vile I wouldn't have nicked them! Like large stones!

Rulesgirl Mon 08-Jul-13 18:05:12

The ones my mother had were like candy floss inside. This was in Oz though.smile

Yes, like hard candy floss.

I just googled them - they were Energen rolls. Well remembered ppeat!

I still thought they were lovely with butter. I bet if I had one now they would be a bit of a disappointment though.

Tinwe Mon 08-Jul-13 20:17:47

Don't remember the bread rolls but I do remember the weekly trip to the slimming club with my mum and sister followed by a huge chippy tea on the way home! Everyone in my family has struggled with their weight as food has been used as a treat and a comfort (in addition to a largely healthy diet, I should add to be fair), ie "had a hard day? I'll make you something really nice and you can have a special pudding if you eat it all up" grin but confused

Really don't want to pass the "food is a cure all" idea on to my girls and if there's any genetics involved I'll have to be extra careful too. The one saving grace for them is that DHs family (and DH) ARE into exercise and healthy eating. wink

Ah Tinwe, I bet you are too young to remember the rolls. Some of us are old farts you know. grin