Week 2 - Summer Low Carb Bootcamp - How was week 1 for you?!

(590 Posts)
BIWI Mon 06-May-13 09:19:23

Hopefully you've all entered your weight in the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and I hope that everyone managed a successful first week!

It probably wasn't the easiest week to start, what with the bank holiday, but never mind. It's a really good lesson that life and all its temptations will frequently get in the way.

Hope everyone has some sunshine today. It's perfect barbecue weather, and barbecue food is perfect for low carbing. And if anyone wants a good recipe, there's a lovely one for marinated chicken on the recipe thread

renaldo Mon 06-May-13 09:32:09

Hi all . BBQ weather so stay on track!

LackaDAISYcal Mon 06-May-13 09:33:46

Morning brew

Fabulous first week here, considering that I didn't start till Tuesday and ate a bag of wine gums on Tuesday night. Knuckled down on Wednesday and have never felt deprived and only a teensy bit of craving something sweet and carby (hence the odd grape finding it's way into my (not as fat) face)

I am inspired and motivated and loving how much gorgeous food I've been able to eat grin

JaxTellerIsAllMine Mon 06-May-13 09:40:00

I have lost 9lbs so far. very impressed considering the wine and thai disaster. But apart from that been v good.

well done everyone.

thekitchenfairy Mon 06-May-13 09:49:12

Hello... Thread moved so fast I couldn't keep,up,so that's me now with a coffee with cream!

I had a brilliant start... Amazing in fact... But I have had wine during what has been a lovely, sunny, unexpectedly sociable weekend and undone all my good work. So I am back to where I started. My own fault, and I've given myself a good talking to. Thank goodness I stayed away from the cake and the BBQ baguette... Dread to think what the damage would have been!

thekitchenfairy Mon 06-May-13 09:59:15

Yes yes Lacka. I feel amazing, I am eating amazing food... And having watched rather sceptically from the sidelines DH is now joining me which will make life easier.

And my shape has changed... I am kicking a lifelong addiction to sugar... My skin is glowing... And I can get into some clothes that have been too tight for the last two years... hurrah... And thanks for BIWI and the big stick and for the wonderful resources and support on this thread thanks thanks thanks all round!

LackaDAISYcal Mon 06-May-13 10:04:28

My DH is making "oooh, I need to lose my tummy fat" noises and seeing just how well I have eaten, is thinking about joining in. He is a huuuge carb eater though, so it would be a lot harder for him. Being coeliac, I gave up sandwiches, pasta and cereals years ago, and only ate gluten free versions occasionally as they are sooo expensive.

emmief77 Mon 06-May-13 10:49:26

Thanks BIWI for this thread and support

BIWI Mon 06-May-13 10:50:32

9lbs! fabtastic flowers

Leverette Mon 06-May-13 11:03:01

Well done everyone and thanks so much BIWI for putting this all together thanks

4lb down and feeling a little less of a lardy arse grin

snowballinashoebox Mon 06-May-13 11:25:15

I am a carb queen no more 6lbgrin

I can't believe how easily I have managed to switch off my sweet tooth.

The last 2 days have been the hardest, I have been hungry and have snacked on too much Babybels and Boursin. So have got to concentrate on increasing my portion sizes.

GetOrfMoiLand Mon 06-May-13 11:34:32

Hello thread two.

I have a hangover. I am resisting the siren call of the Doritos in the cupboard.

Lost 3lbs which is ok, but had a fair amount of wine last night so it probably would have been more (it was 5lbs loss at the beginning of the weekend).

Onwards and upwards for week 2.

BIWI Mon 06-May-13 11:37:10

Ignores all mention of wine

Put it this way, GetOrf, it's 3lbs that you didn't need. Like 6 packs of lard, if that helps you?

Brilliant, snowball!

middleagedspread Mon 06-May-13 11:37:42

3lb off for me. I wish I hadn't drunk that half bottle of red last night.
Just got to keep going.

Not at home so will weigh tomorrow - well done losers!

AuntieMaggie Mon 06-May-13 11:59:37

Forgot to weigh this morning due to the bank hol but think I've stayed the same as its actually wk 3 for me...

Well done everyone on their losses.

well done to everyone who has survived the first week!

if you have any problems recording your weight on the spreadsheet just shout

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 12:06:23

I wont be weighing until wed as I was late to the party. Fab start everyone!

prettybird Mon 06-May-13 12:16:05

Marking place. Will weigh in tomorrow - and adjust my weight for last week as now have new scales, so need to set a new baseline.

Tigglette Mon 06-May-13 12:57:07

So good first week all things considered - 3lb down and feeling generally healthier. Today's meal plan is:-

B. Greek yoghurt
L. Chicken thighs and salad
D. Thai prawn curry

Lots and lots of water and ginger tea. Hope everyone has a good day.

leobeebs Mon 06-May-13 13:02:43

I would love to join. I've lurked over several threads but now is my lightbulb moment.
I'm needing breakfast ideas can't stomach anything other that cereal. What can you add to Greek yogurt as that maybe doable? I find it bitter but love it with fruit but that's out!!
Sorry lots of asks. Is there a meal planner about as I'm rubbish with cooking ideas.

Really don't want to be as fat this summer.

I'm 5'2" and weigh 11 stone 10! Eek.

emmief77 Mon 06-May-13 13:04:42

leobeebs - I am 5'3" and weigh 13st 10 !! Big eek

herecomesthsun Mon 06-May-13 13:06:01

I like Greek yoghurt on its own, I do sometimes add a couple of drops of unsweetened chocolate extract. When on Bootcamp light, toasted slivered almonds, and/or a few berries.

emmief77 Mon 06-May-13 13:07:54

Tigglette - thanks for posting your meal plan today, really helpful for a newbie like myself.. thanks

Tigglette Mon 06-May-13 13:10:35

You're very welcome, I've got lots of ideas reading what other people are eating, BlackAffronted is particularly worth looking out for.

herecomesthsun Mon 06-May-13 13:11:55

there is a 3 day meal planner devised bY BIWI that is Bootcamp proper.

re breakfast, a lot of people have hardboiled eggs and Boursin or butter or mayonnaise. Or bacon and mushrooms. Smoked salmon and cream cheese is a nice treat!

dawnpreview Mon 06-May-13 13:26:47

4 lbs down, I am very happy!
Well done everyone smile

Went out for breakfast this morning. I had sausage, egg, bacon and mushrooms.

sybilfaulty Mon 06-May-13 14:03:47

2lb off for me this week.

Well done to all the losers and keep on keeping on if you have STS (or gained).

Lavenderhoney Mon 06-May-13 14:06:28

Ill be adding my weight to the spreadsheet later , but I have lost 1 kgsmile
Dh not so successful but due to work stuff and having to do tasting etc.

I'm going to do uber bootcamp when it comes up( if that's the right name) and I have been managing to do Pilates and not just talk about it and imagine myself doing it- it doesn't work, sadly.

I haven't been able to post daily but am reading the thread as much as I can, well done all the losers and looking forward to next weeksmile

ZimboMum Mon 06-May-13 14:12:25

Signing in on the new thread. 6lbs down. Woohoo.

B: three scrambled eggs with butter and cheese
L: Tuna Mayo and salad with dressing
D: will be pork steaks on BBQ prob with salad again.

carbalanche Mon 06-May-13 14:36:01

2.5 off for me and that's with some fairly major non-compliance which I badly need to address. Well done everyone!

Smalline Mon 06-May-13 15:02:55

It's week 5 for me this week, lost nothing last week which I have learnt is quite common for weeks 4 & 5. I've lost 10lbs so far, my bad negative moods and my middle aged spread tummy (which I thought I'd be stuck with for the rest or my life) with it!!! I've gained a couple more bits of clothing which I haven't been able to wear because they were too tight, I just can't remember feeling so good about myself for a long time.

I just thought I would share my body stats with you, I don't possess a tape measure, but I do have a weighing machine that measures, body fat, water, muscle and weight. When I started this woe 4 weeks ago my body fat was 28.1% it is now 25.9%, muscle was 25.2%, it is now 26.2%, water was very low at 40.2%, it is now 41.9%. There have been times when I have weighed myself and I have not lost any weight but I have lost body fat, so ladies please do not be disheartened if your scales say you haven't lost any weight, you are losing something, you are losing body fat.

sammisatt Mon 06-May-13 15:52:59

Leoleebs: re Greek yoghurt, in book camp light there are loads is possibilities. My faves are:

Yog plus cream, vanilla essence and peanut butter

Walnuts, toasted coconut (unsweetened) berries

Frozen berries , mix and turn into icecream

Berries plus flaxseed mix

Almonds and almond butter

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 16:06:28

leo, its not Bootcamp but I add a drop of no added sugar milkshake stuff to my greek yog - BIWI will whack me now!

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 16:09:03

Aww thats sweet of you Tiglette!

Yesterdays meals -

Bacon & mushroom ommlette

Broccoli & bacon soup (was delicious!)

Slow cooked pork (Nigel Slater recipe), pork crackling, vichy carrots (small amount for me), mange tout & baby corn

Today -

Bacon & fried egg in coconut oil

Aubergine melts

Smokey pork burgers, coleslaw, salad leaves

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 16:11:05

Smalline, I didnt lose much in weeks 3/4/5/6! Then it started coming off at a great speed again (I have LOADS to lose!). You are doing fab!

LackaDAISYcal Mon 06-May-13 16:50:35

Just finished my lovely late BBQ lunch!

chicken marinated in lemon and garlic
lamb kofta kebabs
lightly smoked salmon with lemon and parsley
home-made coleslaw
BBQ courgettes
salad with homemade French dressing

I am stuffed and happy. the only thing missing was a large glass of prosecco! But I'm working this evening anyway so not much of a miss.

Got up quite late so brunch was buttery scrambled eggs and tomatoes.

Enjoy the sunshine!

leobeebs Mon 06-May-13 16:59:05

Thanks black. Do you have the recipe for your soup sounds yummy.

The milkshake thing sounds good only got the naughty nesquick one in. Know I'm not supposed to but it's either that or fail and I can't. Going to centre Parcs in 8 weeks.

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 17:02:44

I'll add the soup recipe to the recipe thread.

Tigglette Mon 06-May-13 17:05:21

Thanks for adding the recipe, I tried making a broccoli soup which was really not nice, maybe adding bacon will cheer it up somewhat. I'll head over to the recipes section and have a look.

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 17:06:39

Definitely dont add Nesquick if it has sugar in it!!!

HalfSpamHalfBrisket Mon 06-May-13 17:17:00

Down 1lb - which is fine for me as I have less than a stone to lose now.

I even survived the 2 day village festival without touching the fabulous homemade cakes. I sat there happily eating my ploughmans (without the bread, obv!) not feeling too deprived.

sammisatt Mon 06-May-13 17:22:37

Black: where can I find the recipe for smoky pork burgers please? They sound delicious. I love your food.

sammisatt Mon 06-May-13 17:24:37

B: omlette with asparagus and pancetta

L:picnic in park so grated celeriac, mixed with mayo and bit of vinegar, crumbled in blue cheese, avocado and hard boiled eggs

S: hunk of chorizo

D: chicken breasts cooked in mushrooms and cream with celeriac crisps and spring green.

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 17:26:06

I'll add the pork burgers to the recipe thread too. Just finished eating them, so tasty. Would be perfect for a BBQ.

leobeebs Mon 06-May-13 17:29:10

Thank you. If you do a stir fry what do you use as a sauce. Looks like my satay or home made sweet and sour is out.

HoopaPoop Mon 06-May-13 17:29:19

4 lb down this week, I'm really pleased . DD is making a chocolate cake and I'm not even interested in licking out the bowls although I am worried about the state of the kitchen.

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 17:45:21

Have posted in the recipe thread.

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 17:47:34

leo, make a lower carb satay. I use coconut cream (or coconut milk) peanut butter (sainsburies basics is only 3.4g carbs per 100g) and curry powder. Tastes fab!

Or make a chinese sauce, using soy sauce, sesame oil, chinese 5 spice, ginger & garlic.

Well done Hoopa!

Bessie123 Mon 06-May-13 17:47:39

1lb for me. Not bad considering a sugary, alcoholic 2 days. I am going to be really strict now, my weight must start with a 1 and a 4 by the beginning of June. That is 9lb in just under 4 weeks <hoping for a miracle>

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 17:51:29

Go for it Bess!

Doshusallie Mon 06-May-13 18:09:01

Marking place

TreeLuLa Mon 06-May-13 18:13:49

Lost 2 lbs grin

Need to properly get with the programme again.

Not eating enough veg, or drinking enough water.

Got to keep on keeping on!

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 18:18:06

Not sure if this website has been linked to before, but it is a great resource for this WOE. It has loads of articles backing up this woe, with lots of evidence for the nay-sayers. I feel like sending it to all my friends & family grin See here. Go to the home page for lots more articles.

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 18:19:19

This article might be interesting to those who arent losing weight authoritynutrition.com/15-reasons-not-losing-weight-on-a-low-carb-diet/

middleagedspread Mon 06-May-13 18:44:00

BlackAffronted, that article is very useful.
No 13 'you are eating too many calories' I find confusing. My calorie intake must've shot up; all that butter, mayo, olive oil. fat on meat etc.
I understood that the whole principle was that calories don't matter provided they're not from carbs. Or am I being dense?

Tigglette Mon 06-May-13 18:47:23

I've heard it described as "if you're not hungry, don't eat". Not so much a need to count calories but not to eat just because you can, if that makes sense. I'm sure someone more qualified than me will be along to clarify though.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 06-May-13 18:48:58

2lbs down for me. Sybil at the end of the last thread you asked whether I was close to my target. Well I was but managed to put on 8lbs over March and April. So am 9.6lbs off my target. Going on holiday in the middle of June and want to reach target before then. I've got rid of all my big clothes so need to get back on track grin

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Mon 06-May-13 18:52:14

What Tigg said is right - it's not that you have to count calories with a low carb diet <in fact you shouldn't, that alone will give you a heart attack!! grin> it's that you need to be eating leafy greens and other veg not just meat, cheese, nuts etc and not eating because you are bored, you can or whatever. Eating when hungry is fine on this WOE.

twinklestar2 Mon 06-May-13 18:52:41

Beef stew and dauphinois celeriac for dinner!!

RaspberrySchnapps Mon 06-May-13 18:57:28

5lbs off shock

thanks to BlackAffronted for redirecting hapless Raspberry onto this thread. will update spreadsheet inabit

WestleyAndButtockUp Mon 06-May-13 19:19:19

6.6 lbs off, albeit from an artificially high first day, given that I stuffed a lot right up until midnight the day before I started.

TreeLuLa Mon 06-May-13 19:23:58

What can I have for supper?

Have smoked salmon, tin of tuna, one egg, some salad and veg. Some normal stuff in the cupboard. Some chees but trying to avoid that a bit as I think it slows me down.

Had smoked salmon omelette for breakfast, crab salad for lunch.

Am hungry but not really fancying anything....
ANy ideas?

twinklestar2 Mon 06-May-13 19:24:37

Salmon and salad?

TreeLuLa Mon 06-May-13 19:27:52


Yes I guess that is pretty much the only option!

I will have to lashings of mayo wink

TreeLuLa Mon 06-May-13 19:28:02

Have lashings

Doshusallie Mon 06-May-13 19:55:25

Had roast chicken, a cold burger, salad and mayo for tea.

2 x burgers and a sausage for lunch, with lettuce, cucumber, mushrooms and mayo.

A sausage wrapped in lettuce for snack.

2 hard boiled eggs for brekkie.

twinklestar2 Mon 06-May-13 20:05:57

My dauphinois made me feel a bit sick sad Think too much cream isn't good for my tum!

Yama Mon 06-May-13 20:09:46

Hope everyone enjoyed their day.

B - Scrambled eggs with parma ham, butter anc chicken fat.
L - Chicken leg with fried cauli rice and spinach, cucmber and cheese
S - Greek yoghurt and milled flaxseed
D - Really fatty lamb chops with bacon and red cabbage.

Am ready for bed but packed lunches and ironing work/school clothes beckon. Acually, think I'll pull something out the wardrobe which doesn't need ironing and get dh to do dd's stuff.

warzonemummy Mon 06-May-13 20:30:20

I've somehow lost 3.8lb. I can't believe it because I kept getting some weight army starting weight until only a couple of days ago. Since I am back from holidays I will update my food diary better this week.

B. omelette with leeks wit green tea
L. Mixed fresh kababs with salad and pickles
D. Greek salad, little portion of chicken mushroom and cheese, half a steak with spinach

Thank you everyone for the great encouragement. I never thought that I could do this, but did it and I am happy. Once this week is out of the way I will start my couch to 5k and shred (which I really enjoy). I NEED to get into my dress by 27th June.

BlackAffronted Mon 06-May-13 20:46:53

A huge well done to all the fab losers!

newlark Mon 06-May-13 20:48:24

A bit of a blip yesterday evening when at a buffet where I succumbed to quiche (with pastry). Really good today though. My weighing day is Thurs - I lost 4lbs up to Monday last week but static since then. Am really impressed by how I'm not hungry all the time - I am normally very bad at grazing late afternoon and late evening.

Yoghurty Mon 06-May-13 21:05:47

Well done everyone! Some great losses!

We've been DIY-ing the bathroom all weekend so I haven't had chance to stand on the scales- will do so in the morning and update the spreadsheet then

Kahlua4me Mon 06-May-13 21:38:23

I have lost 2lb and pleased with that. Have found it odd to get into it as very different way of eating compared to all other diets and advice I have seen.
But I do feel much healthier eating this way, more energy and have not been hungry at all.

I can't work out how to add my weight loss onto the spreadsheet. I am on my iPad though, does that make a difference? Can someone please tell me how to do it or add me themselves, if that's okay. Thank you

caramelwaffle Mon 06-May-13 21:59:01

Well done on all your losses.

I've had to start again from today but looking forward to some loss again.

Well done on all the losses

Not a great few days for me but am back on track from tomorrow

I have booked a holiday and want this bloody stone off before we go


decaffwithcream Mon 06-May-13 22:13:58

3.75 off. Am chuffed.

Hardest place ever for this WOE? Costa. Even Starbucks has plain yoghurt. In a costa this lunchtime and the best thing I could find to eat was half a bar of dark chocolate. Every other solitary thing made of white flour plus sugar. No salad at all.

Anybody got any tips if your meeting people in a costa? (other than eat before you go out for lunch! grin)

Ruprekt Mon 06-May-13 22:20:36

Marking my place and will post weight tomorrow.

Decaffwithcream how about erm coffee with cream? I've had that in costa before and it's reasonably filling though not really a proper meal obviously

decaffwithcream Mon 06-May-13 22:41:32

Didn't think to ask them for cream in an americano (have been making my decaffs with cream at home!). Will do that next time I'm stuck somewhere. This week has been an eye opener to how much our coffee shops are built around carbohydrate consumption and our cravings for them.

MaryBeardfanclub Mon 06-May-13 22:47:15

it's wonderful to read about everyone's success. flowers to all.

I could not believe the scales this morning, 2.75lb down. Amazing. And just from being really strict about cutting down snacks and cutting out caffeine and my beloved coffee with cream. Plus I have not had any sweeteners. I wonder which of these is doing the trick...

yama thanks for the chicken fat tip - cant believe i used to chuck it away.

Had a wonderful weekend, DP sick in bed so I had the dc all to myself for 3 days, we had a ball. Did a bbq for my parents yesterday which was wonderful, and I had a large slice of pavlova and savored every morsel.

QueenofDreams Mon 06-May-13 23:20:23

Hey can I jump in? I've been trying to lose weight for about a year now. I'm down from 13st 4lb at the start to 11st 10lb now. I've just started trying to eat primal blueprint style, but it's difficult because DP doesn't agree with low carb. He's very set in the 'grains are good' mentality when it comes to food.

All I know is we don't eat processed food, I eat very little sugary food as I just don't have a sweet tooth, we eat plenty of veg and generally a fairly healthy diet yet I have steadily gained weight and struggle to lose it. So I've decided to give low carb a go and see how I do!

BIWI Mon 06-May-13 23:22:40

Queen - welcome, first of all! Can I recommend that you (and your DH, if he will) read "Escape the Diet Trap" by Dr John Briffa? That will give you a really good understanding of low carbing and why it's going to help you - not only in terms of weight loss but also in terms of long term health.

Bessie123 Mon 06-May-13 23:27:53

Why is nobody except me able to cut and paste and use a spreadsheet from an iPad? I am obviously a complete genius grin

QueenofDreams Mon 06-May-13 23:32:38

thanks BIWI smile I don't think reading a book will change DP's mind sadly. he's a person who sticks to what he thinks because what he thinks is right, so I'm on my own and just making substitutions as and when I can. When pasta is on the menu though I just eat it, and hope that being good the rest of the time will still help me lose weight.

Willowisp Mon 06-May-13 23:32:59

Can I slink back in please smile

I've kept my 1/2 my weight off ( i think 3-4 lb) but have let it all slip & I'm not feeling great about it.

I'll be weighing myself tomorrow morning, so if I can be added to the spreadsheet that would be great.

My problem was I got bored, so must pay attention to everyone's meals, i need food inspiration !

Willowisp Mon 06-May-13 23:34:21

Actually another good book is the Diet Delusion...& even better is cooking nice low carb food for him....as long as you don't get bored like me wink !

timidviper Mon 06-May-13 23:34:52

Men are funny creatures when it comes to food. Mine told me he had a healthy lunch as he had salad like me, difference was that I had my mayo laden mixed salad with roast chicken, he had his with 2 pork pies!

BIWI Mon 06-May-13 23:35:26

Queen - make sure that you read the book then. And don't eat pasta just because you're hoping. You really won't lose weight that way!

Kahlua4me Tue 07-May-13 02:24:40

Hooray, have worked out how to add my weight to spreadsheet! My iPad was too slow earlier and wouldn't open it up but all done now.

robino Tue 07-May-13 05:24:37

I tried to post yesterday and failed. Yesterday I had stayed the same after my faild start. I will put that on the spreadsheet. however this morning, after a good couple of days, I am 3lbs down - hooray!

MsRinky Tue 07-May-13 06:39:13

Ugh, failure of a first week for me, was lucky to stay the same. Still, onwards and downwards, have less outside pressure this week as well.

EwanHoozami Tue 07-May-13 07:37:32

Some brilliant losses here, well done everyone!

1lb off for me which is unbelievable considering that my biannual boozefest occurred on Saturday night with attendant carbfest the next sorry morning

I am currently devising a shopping list for a very strict week to atone my sins.


B - Lidl yog
L - Spinach omelette
D - Tuna and artichoke nicoise

Tigglette Tue 07-May-13 07:48:28

Good morning everyone, so nice to see some good losses. Today ill be eating

B. Greek yoghurt
L. Chicken in a creamy peppercorn sauce with buttered veggies courtesy of the local pub
D. Sausages baked with shallots, green peppers and courgette

Hope everyone has a great day!

BIWI Tue 07-May-13 08:03:46
Yoghurty Tue 07-May-13 09:01:22

Ok- stood on scales this morning- 1/4lb lighter.

Still a loss and I'm not disheartened as I've been steadily losing since January.

Finding it hard to remain bootcamp rather than light- I'd got used to berries!

WeOnlyPlannedTheFirst Tue 07-May-13 09:12:19

Sorry I haven't been able to post but am trying to follow the threads- when I can keep up!

I've lost 2.5lb this week but I actually started a week before bootcamp and lost 8.5lb in my first week. Very pleased. I do have lots to lose but am feeling confident I can do it.

Thanks to everyone who is posting their menus as I do struggle for inspiration - I also have no oven at the moment which is a bit annoying! Should buy a new one soon but until then it's mostly cold meat and salad. I'm certainly feeling full though and not suffering the weak, shaky sugar dips I used to get so no picking at rubbish smile

Please can someone update the spreadsheet for me? I'm now 172.5lb. My start date is 29 April - I messed it up! Thanks

QueenofDreams Tue 07-May-13 09:14:38

Thanks BIWI. I've been doing a lot of reading the last couple of weeks and a big one that's been very helpful is Mark's daily apple

breakfast today 3 eggs scrambled with red onion and tomato. Not sure what I'm having later as we're low on food. Shopping will be arriving this afternoon.

twinklestar2 Tue 07-May-13 09:21:41


Scrambled eggs
Something with salad
Chicken and veg

Morning all.

Am still here but a bit annoyed with myself. Was doing so well but then my lunch on Thursday and having my sis here for the weekend sent me way off track. Food wise I was mainly ok. Wine wise not so much!

Sis now gone and no excuses to veer from plan until Wed 15th which is my birthday.

At one point I was down 5 lbs but now only a pound. And that is from my original start not last Monday. I actually have a gain from last Monday!

BIWI Tue 07-May-13 09:52:27

QueenofDreams - just be careful with the onion and tomato - they are pretty carby

LackaDAISYcal Tue 07-May-13 09:59:29

Back up 2lbs this morning confused

Normal fluctuations? or down to the six wine gums and tablespoon of ice cream I had last night? blush

ChocolatePiglet Tue 07-May-13 10:02:39

Does anyone else find they have lots more energy, even after a week on the plan?
I felt like I wanted to crawl into a hole after day 4, but now I am bouncing around with energy!
B. Roast Chicken with mayo
L. Tuna, boiled egg and avocado salad with olive oil/ vinegar dressing
D. IPD Moussaka with rocket salad

QueenofDreams Tue 07-May-13 10:17:50

Well I had one small tomato and less than 1/4 of an onion, so I don't think that will have put too much carb in? I'm more trying to avoid pure carb foods like bread, pasta, rice, potato, corn and stick to eating food that has more actual nutritional benefit rather than just empty carbs. I will bear that in mind though about onion and tomato smile

When I told DP I'm avoiding the empty carb foods his reply was 'fills you up though' hmm

BIWI Tue 07-May-13 10:24:04

... and then makes you hungry again

BIWI Tue 07-May-13 10:24:32

LackaDAISYcal grin

BIWI Tue 07-May-13 10:25:30
rubyrubyruby Tue 07-May-13 10:31:06

I've added myself to the spreadsheet (via iPad wink)
I'm starting today and need to shop.

rubyrubyruby Tue 07-May-13 10:33:52

I have a question - is quiche ok if I cut the pastry off?

in theory, but it slightly depends what's in it ruby - could be quite carby veg (onions etc), and it's possible that the filling could have been made with milk rather than cream which might make it carbier. would this be one you had made yourself?

but in a situation where there's genuinely no other option, that would be an acceptable option, definitely

justpoppy Tue 07-May-13 11:27:17

Have entered yesterday's weight - 4lb loss (and scales showed another two this morning).

Weekends food was a bit hit and miss - not carb wise - I stuck to low carb/high protein but didn't drink enough water (still peeing like a racehorse - not really convenient on a day out with ds on my own) and didn't have enough veg.

Breakfast this morning was scrambled eggs with spinach and lots of butter, lunch will be some kind of salad and dinner tonight is grilled salmon and veg. I made mini frittatas over the weekend too - absolutely scrummy. Like little quiches without the pastry.

Yey - found the thread after being away yesterday. Well done to everyone who lost & also to any that didn't lose but are sticking with it (I haven't had time for a catch up read yet)

I weighed myself this morning & the scales said 4.4kg confused I'm pretty certain I don't weigh the same as a newborn so will be sourcing new scales this week!

Gutted I can't weigh but am looking forward to a good loss next week.

Food today:

Bfast - FF greek yog
Lunch - Peppered Mackerel with salad
Dinner - Salmon with broccoli & leeks

rubyrubyruby Tue 07-May-13 12:10:07

Thanks WillieW. I will check labels.

MyDarlingYoni Tue 07-May-13 12:17:53

I signed to a boot camp thing, put my name on it - but have been away, where is it, what do i do!

MyDarlingYoni Tue 07-May-13 12:18:10

where are the recipes....

I've just discovered this, trying to start today. So: is houmous low carb or not, please? My pot says carbs in houmous is 8.5g per 100g, sounds low to me, but I don't know if that is "low enough"!

NewStartNewStory Tue 07-May-13 13:13:27

Can i come back? life went a bit tits up last time. Fell off the diet plan and into just get through this no matter what blush But did try to stick to 3 meals per day and avoid living off heavy processed carbs. So that is a major improvement and thanks to the wonderful advice i had from the bootcamp people in the past.

Need to shift another stone and half plus. But have a few birthdays this week so will probably weigh in on monday and start properly from there, but reduce on way to monday.

BIWI Tue 07-May-13 13:15:12

Lily - that's a bit high. As hummous is made from chickpeas, it's not surprising - legumes/pulses are too carby for Bootcamp.

Welcome back, NewStart!

BIWI Tue 07-May-13 13:15:56
Finbar Tue 07-May-13 13:17:05

YAY 2lb off !- despite a pretty bad week ( time of the month sweet rubbish cravings - terrible!) and of course the Blueberries on the yogurt error!
All behind me now.
This works.

Chipsbigbowl Tue 07-May-13 13:35:59

A question for BIWI if I may:

What types of exercise do you find work with this diet? I watched an interview with Taubes and he wasn't that enthusiastic for exercise, as it tends to encourage over eating apparently. What type of exercise have you seen work best with this diet? Thanks

QueenofDreams Tue 07-May-13 13:56:36

Ok lunch is baby leaf spinach topped with cheddar cheese and dressed with olive oil and vinegar. Boiled egg on the side. Bit of an egg heavy day today - is that a problem? That will be resolved this afternoon anyway once my groceries arrive.

I need to be extra good this week because I fell off the wagon a bit this weekend due to bbq at MIL's on Saturday and then going to a local festival yesterday and eating food from one of the stalls (a burger and I felt awful the rest of the day, really sick and acidic last night)

NewStartNewStory Tue 07-May-13 14:05:57

chipsbigbowl i didn't find that the woe itself encouraged overeating when i was exercising. More that it was easier to say well i have done x or y so it will be ok if I eat "not allowed" etc. If i ate just what i needed to feel full I wasn't actually eating much more then most on here but was doing significantly more exercise then some. (nature of job)

Although I am sure BIWI and others might have a more normal experience of this. ;)

Chipsbigbowl Tue 07-May-13 14:33:36

Thanks Newstart. i used to be a big runner, but that never actually helped me lose weight strangely, well i suspect it was actually as you say, you say- i kept treating myself after exercise? I wonder if this WOE works really well with any particular type of exercise, or whether I just steer clear of exercise (over and above the (miles and miles of) walking I do as part of everyday life?

QueenofDreams Tue 07-May-13 14:39:35

chips I'm no expert as I'm new to this myself, but if you check out a site called mark's daily apple, there's tips on there for good types of exercise to go for. On that site they're actually dead against heavy cardio exercise like running. There's some impressive success stories on there as well.

NewStartNewStory Tue 07-May-13 14:41:20

on the last two threads I was on there were various exercises undertaken by different people. I am more flexibility, a little light stamina and lots of minimal movement light toning stuff (volume rather then intensity) but there were others who did a far more intensive toning routine. Kettle ball weight stuff and bootcomp type exercise plans. Can't remember what was said but would be before week 5 of the last bootcamp thread series. if you are bored or wish to have a hunt

Tbh I think it is one of those things where not everything suit everyone and it is a case of finding what works for you with trial and error a bit. Personally I can train harder and longer on this woe due to less blood sugar swings. Others found it harder.

as far as i'm aware i don't think there's any particular exercise you need to avoid with this WOE, but in the first couple of weeks as you switch from burning predominantly carbs for fuel to predominantly fats for fuel it can be more difficult to exercise (i remember a sort of walking through treacle feeling as i tried to go for a run). it's a good idea to take it easy for this period, but things improve very quickly and you can be back to previous exercise levels without any problems

i don't know about taubes, but i think briffa and others advocate high-intensity interval training type exercise. and certainly any resistance training will help with your shape and toning, and this WOE includes plenty of fat and protein which helps to build muscle

i do the shred and running (in addition to long walks at the weekend), which works well for me, as it's a mixture of resistance / interval / endurance (i am an ex-cross country runner so the running is easy for me - i have to FORCE myself to do the shred and i loathe resistance work)

i tend to exercise in a 'fasted' state by the way - not in the sense that i'm doing 5:2 or whatever, just that i exercise without loading up on food beforehand.

so on days i'm at home i exercise before eating anything in the morning (so up to 16 hours without food), and on days i'm at work i exercise when i get home without eating anything since lunchtime (so about six hours without food)

i don't find i eat any more or less afterwards than i would have done if i hadn't exercised, and i don't feel lightheaded or low on energy or anything. this is what works for me, so just listen to your body really

Deearnamaternitynurse Tue 07-May-13 15:41:32

so far for me today

b cheese omelete

l chicken lettuce cucumber tomato and may

D Fish in sauce, U really think i need an idiots guide to all this from someone

I thought i could eat bacon and ham freely so when you say not if processed do you mean not if pre packed but ok if bought fresh over counter-

bacon and ham bought over the counter will still be processed - they are all cured meats so have preservatives and possibly flavourings added (some will be more artificial than others - e.g. salt may be the only preservative if you're lucky)

processed meat once per day, but not every day, would be fine

what sort of sauce are you having with your fish?

have you looked at the allowed foods list in the spreadsheet?

berryfreeze Tue 07-May-13 16:02:43

3lb down for me which is great as I actually started a five weeks ago(lost 7lb in first two weeks but nothing since this week)managed to overcome sugar cravings quite easily and don't really snack in between meals anymore more,feeling less hungry can go for a while in between meals, yesterday had late breakfast/ lunch large mushroom omelette then nothing till dinner which was tuna salad, three black coffees, and about five pints of water, today was small greek salad for breakfast, scrambled eggs for lunch, and now have no idea for dinner don't really fancy anything at the moment but might have some salad and meat and small cup of soup, and how long can you actually do bootcamp for, I do have loads of energy which is great, not getting that sleepy feeling which I normally get this time in the afternoon which is greatsmile

BerylStreep Tue 07-May-13 16:15:32

Back from Amsterdam yesterday, and no surprises, a bit heavier. I tried to be soooo good (actually, considering, I was very good) with only a few lattes and wine. Foodwise I was almost a saint.

We ate in Argentinian steak houses a couple of nights (there were quite a few), which were gorgeous, and very low carb.

Casmama Tue 07-May-13 16:25:14

Queenofdreams- if I am making pasta for dinner then I make the sauce and substitute the pasta with spinach on my plate- dead easy as it doesn't need cooked and the heat from the sauce wilts it. My feeling was that its the sauce I enjoy not the taste of plain pasta so why consume all those carbs for a taste I don't really enjoy.

Ruprekt Tue 07-May-13 17:09:00

Although my weight has stayed the same for a few weeks now, my body shape has changed and I now have a defined waist!! smile

B Chicken and coleslaw

L Nothing

D will be a big chicken salad with bacon and hb eggs, mayo,

am ignoring last week as I never really got off the ground with meal planning/food shopping and just ate and ate and ate and drank too much wine over the weekend blush. But, I haven't put on any weight, and have kept off the 5lbs I lost at the end of the last bootcamp.

However, tomorrow is a new day, and I'm starting with a BAB, followed by a broccoli salad, and chicken with lots of buttered veg. Oh, and three litres of water, which I'm going to struggle to get through as DD has a hospital appointment in the afternoon, and that's not conducive to the drink-loo-drink-loo-drink-loo cycle. But, thinking positively, I can load up at breakfast, and then restart after we've finished at the hospital, so might not be that bad.

teaandthorazine Tue 07-May-13 17:19:52

Dee - the 'old-style' Atkins diet used to sell itself on the basis that you could eat as much bacon as you liked. But whilst it's true that you can eat lots of bacon and still lose weight, Bootcamp (and most other low-carb WOEs) try to also focus on unprocessed, natural fresh foods. Bacon and ham are heavily processed and often contain nitrites which aren't great in large doses. They're not completely off-limits but please don't base your eating around them!

QueenofDreams Tue 07-May-13 17:32:09

cas thanks for that tip, I might try it I think. I've also seen that some people use thin shavings of courgette instead of pasta which I might try next week.

maidofmuss Tue 07-May-13 17:44:14

Hello! I've been following this thread (and diet) all week and all your support, tips and menus have inspired me to join for real in the hope that I can finally escape the yo-yo diet trap. Like others have reported on here, it's hard to get your head around a high fat diet when everyone has been preaching low fat for years! I've have added myself to the spreadsheet – 5lbs loss, so very pleased with that for first week. Wonder whether it could have been more if I'd not overdone the cheese and realised how carb heavy beetroot is (huge feta and beet salads a couple of times!) In fact, is it best to avoid feta in bootcamp? Read something last night which said hard cheese is best... (Apologies if you've already covered this)
B omelette with fried mushrooms
L beef wrapped asparagus spears with horseradish
D chicken, cauliflower cheese and courgette fritters
Thank you all for such a motivating thread and inspiring weight losses!

teaandthorazine Tue 07-May-13 17:44:57

Queen, I often use shredded and steamed cabbage with pasta. Savoy is good for tomato-based sauces, white cabbage seems to go better with the creamy stuff like carbonara (but you could use whatever you've got of course!) I genuinely prefer it now; real pasta seems pappy and tasteless in comparison...

teaandthorazine Tue 07-May-13 17:47:28

Hmmmm, looks like I'm joining Bootcamp after all grin

JaxTellerIsAllMine Tue 07-May-13 18:02:51

god a dodgy tum today. sad

not much eating going on, drinking water and just had some soup...

Deearnamaternitynurse Tue 07-May-13 18:14:53

Thanks for all your help 4lb off in 4 days - and thats not doing this seriously well i dont really understand it - ive just cut out main carbs x

Ilisten2theradio Tue 07-May-13 18:17:02

Well I managed to loose 3/4lb last week despite not having started bootcamp yet. I knew that there was too much going on to start until this week. I did try to be as good as I could and thankfully it showed. Result!
we had a BBQ on Sunday and leftovers for dinner last night - very healthy and bootcamp for me as I had mashed swede to go with the meat and veg.
I justs need someone to find me a pasta substitute that is NOT courgette strips (Blearh!) and recipies that DO NOT have celariac, courgette, peppers, marrow, cucumber etc in them. They may be low carb but they are the devils work! grin

Bessie123 Tue 07-May-13 18:30:44

i listen you can get low carb pasta from Japanese shops but it is a bit boingy - I tried it then decided not to bother again.

berryfreeze your post made me laugh - I can see all your extra energy in it.

CrystalTits Tue 07-May-13 18:31:01

So far today, I've had 2 coffees (1 with cream, 1 decaf black) and a gallon of water <exaggerating>, plus:

L: chicken salad with mayo and avocado, sm bowl of FF greek yog
S: 2x portabella mushrooms grilled with a scant tablespoon bolognese sauce and cheese on top
D: pan fried salmon with buttered broccoli

But I am seriously craving something sweet! What is wrong with me?! I know bootcamp is all about retraining our tastebuds, but I'm overcoming years of sugar addiction here! wink Any suggestions before I sniff the jar of cocoa powder like an addict and frighten the kids?

Ilisten2theradio Tue 07-May-13 18:44:38

Cyrstal Do you have anything like lemon essence or orange essance you could use to flavour yoghurt? The smell seems to work for me.

teaandthorazine Tue 07-May-13 19:14:07

Dinner - low carb sausages (lidl) with roasted broccoli and blue cheesy leeks.

AuntieMaggie Tue 07-May-13 19:27:10

Ilisten you can get carb free pasta/rice from holland and barrett now.

NewStartNewStory Tue 07-May-13 19:40:45

Willie do you want me to add myself to the spread sheet or is it better if you do it? scared of breaking spreadsheet of wonder

decaffwithcream Tue 07-May-13 19:46:56

Lidl has low carb sausages? This is good news.

Doshusallie Tue 07-May-13 20:09:20

Crystal - do you have any cream? Eat a tablespoon or two of that.

B - 2 boiled eggs

L - 2 boiled eggs blush and a big chicken salad with mayo

Snacks - 1 sausage, 1 pkt of pork scratchings

Pork chops for tea with creamed sprouts

QueenofDreams Tue 07-May-13 20:34:49

would someone mind adding me to the spreadsheet? I don't do spreadsheets blush starting yesterday with a weight of 11st 10lb

dinner was a barbequed tuna steak with salad and a burger patty. Had no alcohol though DP was on the cider, I resisted. I feel rather saintly for resisting the siren lure of cider!

Yama Tue 07-May-13 20:35:35

Oh, I have eaten far too much today. Well, for dinner.

Breakfast - Scrambled eggs.
S - Yoghurt n' flaxseed
L - Salad with pate and cheese
S - Pepperoni
D - Two burgers with cheese and a bacon and red cabbage thing.

That was 3 hours ago and I'm still stuffed.

Whoever was asking about exerceise - I cycle and walk. Dh, however does a primal type thing of shorts bursts of strenuous exercise twice a day. We are both slim but I don't think this is down to the exercise.

halfthesize Tue 07-May-13 20:45:18

Eve All and well done on some great losses, I have been a little absent of late, afraid RL/good weather getting in the way.
My loss was only 1lb last week, not talking about the wine consumption over bank holidayblush
Had a good day today:
B- Coffee
L- egg salad
D-roasted belly of pork with creamy garlic mushrooms and loads of water..

sammisatt Tue 07-May-13 20:51:55

B: chorizo scramble (sorry BIWi..chorizo is like crack to me. I need to stop buying it) with spring greens
L: slow roasted lamb with creamed spinach
S: half a pack of scratchings
D: Tuna, mayo, an avocado and small piece of cheddar.

thekitchenfairy Tue 07-May-13 20:52:51

Such great losses... Well done everyone!

I can't remember who posted ^^ but I have a DH also in love with whole foods and it is a hard opinionto sway... We ate, we thought, a healthy diet, lots of veg, legumes, whole grains, etc... But low fat yoghurt, crap pretend fat and diet 'treats' . My weight crept up little by little... After 5 years I had more than 2 stone to lose. I was also a honeyed up sugary twat who thought nothing of a healthy??? Flapjack for brekkie which also did not help!

I didn't understand why, but an enlightened GP pal explained without adequate fat, these food sources all turn to ......sugar! And I was eating this at every meal... No wonder I was on a blood sugary roller

Having seen my appearance and my mood change etc etc since jan bootcamp DH has now joined me as he has tried the starvation low fat WOE and he could not stick it... He lost 7lb last week, worries about cholesterol but i have given him the primal book and briffa to read... And remind him I have lost more than 10% of the bad arterial fat since I joined BIWIs merry band!

BIWI, willie, black... All you ladies on this thread are amazing. It has been life changing for me and I cannot thank you enough. thanks all round

thekitchenfairy Tue 07-May-13 20:55:58

Oops sorry a bit of a gushy long post and a few typos. Damn this iPad!

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 07-May-13 21:05:07

B: 2 leek and egg muffins, 1 bbq'd pork steak
L: fish pie, cauliflower puree, buttery swede
D: gammon steak, fried egg, green beans

dp still poorly, diagnosed with acute tonsillitis so he has eaten practically nothing for 4 days. I had to take today off work and will probably take tomorrow off too to look after dc. Quite stressful, did think mmm pepsi max but resisted! bikini gate 6 weeks away tomorrow shock

TreeLuLa Tue 07-May-13 21:24:21

Hi all,

great to catch up with everyone's progress so far (and nick meal ideas!)

B natural yog
L Tuna mayo (was pleased with myself because despite stressful full-on work day with laid-on sandwich / wrap / crisps / cookie lunch I resisted it all!)
D Halloumi with salad.

CrystalTits Tue 07-May-13 21:53:51

Thanks Ilisten2theradio and doshusallie. Grated a bit of lemon zest into some yog, may yet swig some double cream neat from the fridge too! Difficult not to think about the bad (sweet) stuff when in the grip of a craving though. Can't wait for a bit more variety in week 3...onwards and upwards!

Bessie123 Tue 07-May-13 21:56:08

crystaltits on the last bootcamp some of us found liquorice tea helpful, it tastes sweet. I am drinking a sweet chai tea thingy at the moment, the liquorice is not too overpowering.

decaffwithcream Tue 07-May-13 22:20:56

Thought I had a lovely chicken breast wrapped in bacon and flavoured with garlic and herbs for dinner from the butchers but turned out it was stuffed with garlicky breadcrumb stuffing. So dinner was small slices of scraped chicken with bits of bacon in mayo. hmm

Wasn't in the least tempted by the stuffing, just disappointed the chicken was essentially hollow.

CrystalTits Tue 07-May-13 22:29:33

Bessie123 thanks, I'll give that a go.

QueenofDreams Tue 07-May-13 22:55:46

kitchenfairy that was me posting. I think I'm basically secretly going Primal. I know if I say outright I'm trying Primal eating, he'll voice his opinions on healthy eating so I'm just getting on with it without making too much fuss. From everything I've been reading about primal and paleo it just seems to make sense. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same behaviour expecting different results - so I'm no longer just repeating the same eating behaviour trying to lose weight, I'm trying a new approach and hopefully it'll be more successful smile

thekitchenfairy Tue 07-May-13 23:11:24

Hi queen ... Your DH and mine sound v similar! Mine keeps on about the amount of meat we now eat and worries now about long term effect of all the cream in our coffee! I succumbed to a chickpea quinoa salad from my old life recently... The bloat was agony and far more awful effects including a huge sugar slump an hour later which took me by surprise.

Like you this change has been my lightbulb moment and, when I stick to it it works. It isn't v forgiving if you go off track, but I am not often tempted.

Good luck!

LackaDAISYcal Wed 08-May-13 00:10:51

I have just had a shitty evening at work sad and normally I would be nose first into a bag of wine gums and a bottle of shiraz...but I resisted. I am drinking sleepytime tea instead. Go Me grin

Lunch was an odd one today. Out and about and had to resort to MaccyD's for lunch (only guaranteed gluten free option when on the road confused ) But, I had the burger without the bun, and it had cheese food and bacon as well as mayo and salsa, so probably not the best, but I had no fries or bun and asked for a soda water to drink...

Dinner was prawn and avocado salad with a homemade vinaigrette.

I'm not sure that I'm eating enough fat though. I'm definately not drinking enough water.

rubyrubyruby Wed 08-May-13 06:51:45

I didn't eat much yesterday but have a tesco delivery coming this morning so will try harder.

middleagedspread Wed 08-May-13 06:57:05

Had a marvellous fund yesterday in Waitrose. I was looking for an alternative to mayo & butter & found a jar of Bernaise sauce. Had it on roast chicken & purple sprouting & was delicious. I'd highly recommend if you need a bit of a change.
Label says 1% sugars
so no big stick needed

ZimboMum Wed 08-May-13 07:18:59

Morning all. STS the same the last two mornings but guess that's normal.

B: bacon and eggs fried in butter with mayo
L: steak with asparagus and broccoli fried in butter with Mayo
D: salmon with ginger butter (low carb gourmet) with buttered spinach, leek and cabbage. DH liked the ginger butter but I wasn't 100% convinced.

Today will be:
B: omelette with crispy bacon, cheese and herbs
L: tuna Mayo with avocado and mozzarella salad
D: lamb ribs roasted prob with broccoli and asparagus.

Onwards and downwards everyone smile

Just delurking to say a big thanks BIWI. Been trying to loose weight for over a year with no success - all my usual ways no longer working. Previously I could stick to whatever diet all day but in the evenings be unable to lay off the snacks. I've realised that the low fat way is sort of ingrained - I started with rosemary Connelly when I was 19 and have thought of butter/cheese/avocados etc as a real no no ever since (43 now!). Really hard for me to add butter to my food! I started this woe a week ago and have lost 5lb - I don't have much more to go but I have struggled with this for literally years. This is it for me - no hunger / cravings and lovely food. All makes sense now.

BIWI Wed 08-May-13 08:16:35

Woo hoo! flowers Brilliant. And isn't it lovely to eat such great food?!

I'm off to Manchester today and will be working there all afternoon/evening, not back home until around 2 am, so won't be here much to post. Apologies - not ignoring anyone!

clare20 Wed 08-May-13 09:24:05

Hi, please can I join! I have come via the lightbulb thread and have been inspired to give this a go.

I have a substantial amount of weight to lose but am going to break it down into two stone chunks. Hoping to lose first lot by the end of the summer.

Started yesterday and will be watching for meal ideas so I don't get bored with salads too quickly.

prettybird Wed 08-May-13 09:28:54

Had roast chicken skin on of course last night, served with celeriac mash with a bit of cream. Sooooo tasty. smile

QueenofDreams Wed 08-May-13 09:39:17

I have never bought into the low fat thing for losing weight really. I've always thought sugar is the problem. Despite this I still feel odd eating really fatty food when I'm trying to lose weight. It still feels counterintuitive somehow.

My DP doesn't go out of his way to eat healthy, he just has very strong opinions about the best way to eat healthy if you want to lose weight. He's not bothered about losing weight at the moment, even though I think he is a touch over what he should be, he has a slight belly on him but it's not really too bad.

maidofmuss Wed 08-May-13 09:45:37

Hi Clare20 – I'm new, too. First few days hard but now (one week in) much more energy and feeling really positive that this WOE will (finally) work – got to! Desperate not to be hiding under a baggy t-shirt again on the beach this summer! Good luck! Today:
B Leftover courgette fritter mix from last night but with added eggs so more of a frittata
L will raid fridge (waiting for delivery so working at home) prob cheese/bit of salad
D chicken/veg stir fry (mainly spinach)

newlark Wed 08-May-13 09:59:48

My dh is being a bit sceptical and expressing concern over the emphasis on protein and fat (though I did point out the huge volumes of salad and veg that I am eating.

My week with no loss (after the initial 4lb drop) has ended with another 3lbs off in the last 2 days so 7lbs in total now in 13 days. Keep the faith...

very dilute PLJ with sparkling water is my saviour in the evenings - I can almost pretend it is a gin and tonic grin

Morning all. This thread is really helping keep me motivated. And give me meal ideas.

Am completely back on track now after my bank holiday weekend. Didn't even contemplate alcohol last night. Even though DH did.

Yesterdays food was:

B - egg mayo and a slice of cheese
L - lots of salad with chicken and feta and a creamy dressing
D - pork chop fried in oil and butter and the braised cabbage
S - a few snacks - slice of cheese, olives, a couple of slices of pastrami, some Brie.
Lots of water. 3 cups of tea with milk.

Today -
B - scrambled eggs with a dash of cream and some grated cheese
L - will be salad and maybe tuna
D - poss pork stroganoff with cauliflower mash

HeirToTheIronThrone Wed 08-May-13 10:11:29

sneaks in, wobbling Right, I am starting AGAIN from today - did so well food wise despite the bank hol right up until Saturday night when I went to my friend's 30th. All night party. In a FORT. Suffice to say I am too old to stay up all night dancing, and the vats of alcohol required to do so resulted in McDonald's and donuts and all sorts. So 3lbs on, and serves me right. A massive well done to everyone else!

Bit late to the party.. I lost 3lb so far smile
I've sacrificed a bit of my wedding dress budget for a personal trainer, so I have been training hard too!
One thing I want ask BIWI is: Is it possible to make muscle gains without carbs? I have read that it is difficult to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time and I really need to make some big gains at the moment! I had 6 months off training because of anemia and other issues so lost a LOT of muscle.

BIWI Wed 08-May-13 10:30:07

You will be able to build muscle without carbs. I have done! Carbs don't build muscle, they build fat. Protein builds muscle, and you should be eating a fair amount of that.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Wed 08-May-13 10:30:14

Morning all, and very well done on the losses so far. One pound off for me, but this is my 3 rd bootcamp so I am getting closer to my maintenance weight.

Lovely weather here sun and yesterday so really enjoyed my salads. Lets hope it lasts. Have a good day everyone.

QueenofDreams Wed 08-May-13 10:35:17

Ok I just had breakfast - kind of porridge made up with a bit of seed mix and some coconut flour. I think it counts about 6g carb is that too high for one meal?

CrystalTits Wed 08-May-13 10:39:19

Man I am grumpy today. Coffee with cream for breakfast, and wondering what I can lay my hands on for lunch at work; lots of carbs here as I work on a uni campus.

Dinner will be spare salmon fillet from last night (rubbed with ras el hanout, lush) and salad or buttered veg/creamed spinach.

Aiming to drink loads of water to flush out my bad attitude!

bullet, i'm no expert but muscles need protein to build so i would have thought low carbing would be ideal

BIWI Wed 08-May-13 10:48:45

Queen - it is a lot, especially as you really should be getting your carbs from veg/salad

rubyrubyruby Wed 08-May-13 10:53:25

For those worried about getting 'bunged up' so to speak.

Linseeds are great for keeping you regular. Not too bad carb wise and you only need a small amount - half a teaspoon or so.

I will await authorisation from those with better knowledge though.

Thanks, BIWI, Willie.
I've just bought the John Briffa book on my shiny new Nook and am getting stuck into it!

BIWI Wed 08-May-13 10:58:34

TBH it's not a problem I've ever experience with low carbing - plenty of water, fat and veg/salad should mean that you are OK.

What people often mistake for constipation, though, is a reduced frequency of 'going'.

FreudiansSlipper Wed 08-May-13 11:05:47

i am starting today

2 boiled eggs for breakfast but did have milk in my tea

need to loose as much as possible before we go away in 2 weeks 2 days mmmm....

BIWI - I was just wondering that. About the reduced frequency. I'm certainly eating less quantity wise. So it makes sense. I'm enjoying the Greek yoghurt with flaxseeds for breakfast but conscious that too much dairy is not advised so trying to have it every second day.

i was taking a magnesium supplement but had to reduce the quantity as it made me poo far too frequently!

BIWI Wed 08-May-13 11:44:03

Yoghurt is supposed to be better tolerated than milk/cream/cheese, so you may be fine with that. But beware the flax. Others have reported that it makes them stall.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Wed 08-May-13 11:44:51

soup seemed to do the trick last night. Feel much better today

Ive had lots of coffee, then a slice of bacon, mushrooms and a fried duck egg. Twas bloody delicious. Off to top up my water bottle now! grin

For all the new people there is a recipe thread linked in various areas - you should never run out of meal ideas if you have a look at it.

I have really gone off fish lately, especially Salmon, so smoked or steaks is out for me, but I still scoff everything else and I am partial to some prawns/crab/lobster.

warzonemummy Wed 08-May-13 11:59:46

Yesterday I had.
B. eggs
L. Tuna salad
D. BBQ chicken and grilled Vegs with coleslaw.

halfthesize Wed 08-May-13 12:33:39

Morning all and welcome to the newbies, this is my 4th Bootcamp and I am very close to goal weight so loosing slowly this time. I would say re constipation, it has never been an issue for me, I eat alot of green veg/salad and drink shed loads of water!
I have just got back from the gym, worked out for 1hr 30 mins, did arms, legs, abs, ran 3.5 miles 27 mins and did my 150 squats(part of a 30 day challenge)
B-2 boiled eggs

For the newbies this is the question thread: questions

and this is the meal ideas thread: recipes

EwanHoozami Wed 08-May-13 12:46:28

Hello to all the new joiners, re-joiners and de-lurkers! What a merry band.

B: Lidl yog
L: Avocado salad
D: Mexican fritatta and green beans

RE constipation, you might find that you're just not having those big, bulky carb poos anymore (delightful grin )

teaandthorazine Wed 08-May-13 12:57:48

I have a feeling BIWI may be getting her big stick out already as it appears my breakfast was a packet of pork scratchings grin - so much for unprocessed! They were posh ones, though, from a deli! I was caught on the hop, what can I say...?

Lunch has been chargrilled courgette, asparagus and feta in a peppery olive oil dressing, with some plain Greek yog to follow. Dinner tonight will be something vegetable-y, maybe with some fish?

Plus plenty of water, of course. Love how flat my tummy is....

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Wed 08-May-13 13:14:01

ewan grin but it's true!

I was bunged up first week of first bootcamp but it was sorted by a combination of :
Drinking more water than I thought was humanely possible (and is now my normal amount, amazing how you get used to it)
Taking vitamin c tablet
Drinking a strong black coffee followed by some walking
Occasional use of oatbran (not bootcamp, borrowed from Dukan but it worked for me)

Yes you may very well "go" less but it's cos your body is using food so much more efficiently and using up all that lovely fat for energy. Now if I have a carb binge (who me? Never) I suffer from bloating, tummy cramps and then one of those smelly, slimy, big uncomfortable poos that I thought were "normal" before. I used to be a one a day girl, now it's every second or third day BUT I feel fine on that, my body is working to a new normal.

And after all that, what's for lunch??

QueenofDreams Wed 08-May-13 13:53:12

I've just had a mushroom and spinach omelette. Very tasty. DD obviously thought so too as she nicked half of it leaving me slightly hungry still now.

I'm finding toilet time rather more comfortable now I have to say. I may have only just joined bootcamp but I haven't had bread in about 3 weeks now, apart from at the weekend when I had a burger from a stall at a festival. paying the price for overindulging at the weekend as I'm 1lb up again. I've been yo-yoing around this weight for a while now. Must be more disciplined!

plinkyplonks Wed 08-May-13 14:09:54

Really bad first week carbs wise but still managed to lose 2lbs due to amount of exercise I've been doing. So can't be too unhappy! smile

GetOrfMoiLand Wed 08-May-13 15:37:18

I am back up to 10 stone 6 this morning, which was the original weight last Monday. Buggery bastard bollocks!

I have been good as well (other than the wine on saturday). i am due on but sodding phantom period hasn't turned up. So i assume it is to do with that. ANNOYING.

Ruprekt Wed 08-May-13 16:51:30

B broccoli and cheese soup smilesmile

L More broccoli and cheese soup, chicken and a hb egg

D smoked salmon, salad and celeriac

Ilisten2theradio Wed 08-May-13 17:07:32

AuntieMaggie what is the name of the low carb pasta please?

DS made Eton Mess again. And shortbread. The smell of the shortbread in the car was amazing. So not fair. Am resisting though.

BIWI Wed 08-May-13 17:13:04

POAS, GetOrf wink

AuntieMaggie Wed 08-May-13 17:25:13

Its called slim pasta

VikingLady Wed 08-May-13 17:32:38

TMI but I seem to be doing more poo, not less, contrary to what other people are saying.

3lb lost this week! I've been half heartedly LCing for a few weeks now, so really pleased! I am now back to my weight immediately post-birth. Only 2.5 stone to go....

Can we do the frozen yoghurt with berries then? I thought fruit was forbidden?

halfthesize Wed 08-May-13 17:33:40

just had a lovely dinner of Pork chops roasted with chilli flakes and served with buttery cabbage grin

GetOrf That such a pain, I find my weight fluctuates massively when I am due on..

BIWI Wed 08-May-13 17:44:33

No fruit on Bootcamp!

JaxTellerIsAllMine Wed 08-May-13 17:59:09

bleurgh! I have just had the worst dinner ever. I made veal meatballs in a tomato, garlic, shallot, mushroom sauce - THAT part was delicious.

The inedible part was the aunt bessies red cabbage and apple bit. yuk, far too sweet and far too mushy. One mouthful was all it took for me to eat around it.

That will serve me right for not delving deeper into the freezer for the brocolli/green beans that I actually wanted.

Evening losers

Well done to all keeping on track.
Those who are having the odd cheat ask yourself - was it worth it?
No because nothing tastes as being slim feels...

Just saying ;)

B: boiled eggs and mayo
L: feta and ham salad
T: roast breast of lamb with veggies

GetOrfMoiLand Wed 08-May-13 17:59:31

Haha biwi, that would e a miracle of Virgin Mary proportions grin

GetOrfMoiLand Wed 08-May-13 18:01:01

Jax that Aunt Bessie's Red cabbage is indeed vile, far too sweet.

timidviper Wed 08-May-13 18:33:49

Auntie Maggie I have tried the slim pasta and wasn't keen. They make pasta, rice and noodles of the same stuff and, in my opinion, the texture was ok for noodles but very peculiar for rice or pasta, a bit smooth and slimy

amigababy Wed 08-May-13 18:38:53

yesterday 's headache / body ache has passed thank goodness,
and I'm having the same problems as Viking Lady!

BlackAffronted Wed 08-May-13 18:40:00

Just a quick one to say ive lost 5lbs of my 7lb gain grin

CrabbyBigbottom Wed 08-May-13 18:51:53

Hello, I'd like to join bootcamp please. Sorry I'm late. smile

I started yesterday and entered my weight into the spreadsheet. 2lbs lighter this morning so that's a nice start.

I've low-carbed once before, last year. Lost 10lbs in 10 days but was feeling a bit ill so started gradually reintroducing carbs and found that it went back on very very quickly. I think because I was eating (complex) carbs but still eating loads of fat.

This time I'm going to lose 2 stone and I'm not going to give up until I get there!

B/L - chicken, avocado, watercress, alioli (homemade, Spanish version of aioli)
D - griddled veg (courgette, aubergine, mushrooms, fennel) with homemade pesto
Snacks - Loads! Cheese of varying types, prawns, olives, greek yoghurt.

B/L - as yesterday but with feta cheese too. Beyond delicious. smile
D - just about to have lamb meatballs with chorizo, mushrooms, broccoli, courgette, little tomatoes, shallots and garlic, all roasted with lots of oil. Roasted celeriac in butter to go with, which I'm going to mash with the roasted garlic and some creme fraiche.
S - olives, spoonfuls of pesto, parma ham and cheese, prawns.

I can't stop eating! blush I'm craving carbs and especially wine but haven't given in.

My only reservation with this WOE is the cost - my shopping bill yesterday was astronomical. Cheaper than a whole new wardrobe of plus sized clothes though, I guess. hmm

Doshusallie Wed 08-May-13 18:57:49

B - cold pork chop. Dh is used to my ways but did look at me like this hmm
L - left my carefully prepared chicken salad in the fridge at home so had a cheese and chicken salad from work canteen with a dollop of coleslaw and two boiled eggs. Added mayo to my plate too but only ate a tiny bit as it was low fat grrr
Tea will be aforementioned chicken salad from fridge I expect
Snacks - pork scratchings

caramelwaffle Wed 08-May-13 18:57:52

Welcome back Crabby - I'm also rejoining.

caramelwaffle Wed 08-May-13 18:58:13

*rejoining Bootcamp.

AuntieMaggie Wed 08-May-13 19:08:17

timid i preferred the rice as it mixed in better iyswim so bulked the meal out and hid the texture!

rubybricks Wed 08-May-13 19:13:44

evening all!

i made the broccoli and stilton soup yesterday from the recipe thread - it was fab! had half yesterday and the rest today for lunch.

it's my TOTM which is a pain, but my main problem is still feeling wiped out a lot of the time. i am exercising daily - no more or less than usual - but finding it much harder. hope this will pass?

also, are we really not allowed caffeine? i don't think i can manage without sad but wanted to do everything possible to do this right.

good to hear everyone's experiences as always - makes me more determined to see this through.

BlackAffronted Wed 08-May-13 19:16:21

Hello to all the new joiners smile

Someone up thread asked about exercise, I do Zumba and long walks. I managed to do an 8 hour Zumbathon and had masses of energy! I outstayed alll the slim-carb-eaters grin and wasnt even sore the next day. Im a size 24, so this was a massive deal! Im a 22 now smile

Todays menu

B - cheese ommlette
L - tuna burgers & salad
D - chicken thighs in a creamy mushroom sauce & courgetti (courgettes cut with a julienne peeler into spaghetti) fried in garlic butter

Off for a walk along the seafront in the rain! Should be refreshing grin

sammisatt Wed 08-May-13 19:43:37

B: sausages 1 egg
S: hard boiled egg
L: avocado, tuna mayo, chicken leg, salad leaves
D: beefburgers (posh duchy original) with blue cheese topping and broccolli roasted with olive oil, garlic and chilli flakes. Roasted broccolli is absolutely delicious. A makeover for quite a dreary vegetable.

Then I was feeling a little big pmt.... It's a small cheat but enough to get a finger waggled at me:

Tbsp of double cream with a teaspoon of pure cocoa powder ( minimal carb content) plus half a tsp of xylitol. Mixed together it was a delicious rich, chocolate mousse which I'm sure would be fine later on but not ideal for bootcamp. I just hope I'm still in ketosis.

NewStartNewStory (nice to see you!) and Queenofdreams, sorry i missed your posts last night - i have added you both to the spreadsheet

GetOrfMoiLand Wed 08-May-13 20:31:34

Oh god I have just discovered extra extra hot Mexican cheese. I have just munched a load of that and it was delicious.

Dinner was a great big bowl of cabbage and some sausages.

Lunch salad nicoise.

GOML just watch with cheese as it can stall some people if you eat it in quantity like what I do

Rubybricks - I think you were asking about exercising when low carbing.it can take a couple of weeks for your body to get used to fat burning rather than carb burning. However once you are doing this ynhave loads of energy. Myself and hakfthesize ran every day in April (not far for me but enough!)
Mark Sissons website is great here about training when eating Paleo

QueenofDreams Wed 08-May-13 20:54:42

Just finished dinner which was lamb cutlets, green beans and cauliflower mash (I've never tried cauli mash before but I loved it!) grand total 5g carbs for that meal as I weighed my veg.

I haven't worked out how much carb was in my lunch, can't be more than 3g I should think though, which would mean I've come in at under 20g for the day (I think confused)

smallglass not just me referring to Mark Sissons then. It's reading his site that's convinced me to try eating this way.

Forgot who said they added me to the sheet, but thanks for that!

Queen - there is some really good stuff on there although I think Carrie may have had work done grin

Some of the lads at work have converted because of that site!

Your menu sounds yummy and your carb count perfect

justpoppy Wed 08-May-13 21:10:07

Have STS today - was hoping weight would drop a bit quicker as I'm on holiday in just over two weeks.

B - lidl yogurt
L - mini frittatas (chicken, leek, mushroom & Parmesan)
D - chicken drumsticks & veg
S - Slug of double cream
Drinks - 2 cups of tea and at least 3lts of water

Sweet cravings aren't so bad but still finding the evenings tough. A few grapes found their way into my mouth tonight while I was making ds's packed lunch.

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 08-May-13 21:54:16

B: happy bacon, mini bacon and shallot frittata
L: lamb shank cooked in pressure cooker, broccoli, swede and cauli mash, cauliflower cheese
D: avocado salad, roast cauliflower a la Jamie Oliver, hm pesto, fried chicken pieces

dp on the road to recovery phew, have to go to a course in central london tomorrow, not looking forward to the crush on the train and tube. I am taking my trusty fried parmesan chicken as there will probably be nothing suitable to eat.

I bought some extremely expensive happy bacon from Laverstoke park, about twice the price of normal bacon and I did not like the taste. The streaky is ok but normal stuff had a funny aftertaste. And that white stuff came out of it when fried, I thought it would be free of that gunk.

CrabbyBigbottom Wed 08-May-13 22:01:38

Thanks for the welcome Caramel and Black. smile

Marybeard- how do you cook your lamb shank in pressure cooker?
Sounds ace. How disappointing about the bacon though.

Just poppy - dont despair. Keep the faith and measure yourself.
Weight loss isn't linear on this WOE but your body shape will change trust us!

Ruprekt Wed 08-May-13 22:19:11

Had a lovely dinner. smilesmile

Dh is away and I cooked a rump steak (£1.18 waitrose reductions) and served it with a leek, mushroom, cheesy cream sauce.


NewStartNewStory Thu 09-May-13 01:26:39

willie You are fabulous, thank you very much!!!

Will past details be left in the past with the tweaked name? Curious to know that the original starting weight was and my last weigh in from last time around although kinda dreads finding out how much weight went back on

I think I am really looking forward to getting back on board. I am already rethinking bad choices. But i know until this weekend is over I am only setting myself up for beating myself up if i expect anything other then not sticking to plan. Monday will be interesting.

warzonemummy Thu 09-May-13 06:29:23

Yesterday was.
B. eggs again
L. Broccoli and tuna with salad
D. Lasagne of aubergines

I am dying for some fruits. I was a big fruit eater. I can go without rice and bread for rest of my life but am dying for one tiny piece of fruit.

snowballinashoebox Thu 09-May-13 08:03:38

I just can't believe the amount of energy I have since starting bootcamp. It's blimmin ace and another 2lb off this morninggrin

JaxTellerIsAllMine Thu 09-May-13 08:12:48

mary i dont like the laverstoke park meat either. I know it is supposedly 'better' but the sausages taste awful. I buy Debbie & Andrews 97% sausage and they are nice. Also M&S do a proper meat sausage.

Bacon is a bit hit and miss, its either lovely or horrid. Best I have found is my local butcher.

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 09-May-13 08:34:45

10 stone 4 this morning so 2lbs off since yesterday. Strange old fluctuation.

HeirToTheIronThrone Thu 09-May-13 09:08:07

Crabby your food looks AMAZING! Yesterday was pretty good for me - greek yog, then tuna crunch sandwich filler wrapped in little gem leaves, and a random medley of chicken, coleslaw, cucumber and a couple of bits of salami for supper. 2lbs down since Tuesday though! And already looking forward to salmon, asparagus and creamy leeks for dinner. I tried on a few dresses last night which has renewed my determination as still some favourites that are way too tight... Need to try and get into my only black dress in just over a week for a funeral, which is a weird sort of incentive...

QueenofDreams Thu 09-May-13 09:33:21

Ok, breakfast: poached egg, asparagus, buttered mushrooms, spinach with a drizzle of hollandaise sauce.

Lunch will be lamb cutlets with some kind of veg

Dinner is scheduled to be pasta (eek) Will have to figure out how to replace that with something low carb without DP noticing and wondering what I'm doing. Garlic bread will be served as well (so carbs with more carbs, great meal)

mind you I've made it clear I'm replacing all those empty carbs with foods that have more nutritional value, so we'll see. I can just envision getting a lecture about how healthy pasta is hmm 73g carb per 100g doesn't leave much room for other nutrition does it?

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-May-13 09:43:30

I have fluctuated upwards since Monday!

My own fault. Probably not enough fat and definately not enough water and I am reaslly struggling to give up the evil pepsi max blush


B: 2 eggs scrambled with butter
L: Prawns stir fried in butter, garlic chilli and a squeeze of lime, with courgette ribbons
D: 2 sausages, 1 slice of ham filled with halloumi and 2 slices tomato
S: 4 slices of salami.

Too much processed I think confused

I also had a glass of wine last night as I have had a fucking shitty awful week at work; emotionally and physically hard and employers being arses about it sad. Buuuut, I am proud of myself for only stopping at one as normally I would sink the whole bottle blush


B: 2 boiled eggs mashed with butter
L: prawn and avocado salad
D: Slow cooked Lamb shoulder stuffed with garlic and rosemary, buttered brocolli and swede mash (regular mash for the DC)

More water! Maybe if I put it in an empty pespi bottle it'll fool me? wink

CrabbyBigbottom Thu 09-May-13 09:46:50

<<stares at Getorf through narrowed eyes>> You are a lb below my target weight! grin

Thanks Heir dinner was bloody lovely. I was feeling crappy yesterday, headachey and tired, and couldn't think what to make for dinner. I ended up throwing lots of things in a roasting tin drenched with oil and the fat from the meatballs. I don't usually buy shallots as they're more expensive than onions, but cut in half and roasted they were delicious.

Celeriac mash is a thing of wonder, I can't believe it's not carby!

Another 2lbs off this morning. Yay!

CrabbyBigbottom Thu 09-May-13 09:48:51

<<drools at thought of slow cooked lamb shoulder with garlic and rosemary>>

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-May-13 09:50:52

Queen, could you do courgette ribbons (lots of butter on) and serve them with the pasta sauce?

Tell him you are feeling bloated so cutting down on wheat to see if it helps?

My DH is not in the least bit interested in what I'm eating and wouldn't comment, but he knows I always fail at diets (been on one more or less since DS was born 11 years ago) and I think is expecting this to fall by the wayside as well, though he knows to keep his gob shut grin. I am quietly determined to prove him wrong!

I agree on the cost though; it seems very expensive! Though I'm sure with planning it could be done on a smaller budget.

rubybricks Thu 09-May-13 09:55:38

morning all.

hopped on the scales this morning and am still 7lbs off since starting, no change since monday but it is my TOTM so hoping that has something to do with it.

B: greek yoghurt for a change

off to look at the recipe thread for L & D ideas, your parmesan chicken sounds lovely Marybeard

thanks for that Justasmallgless, i am still feeling drained and going to take rest days between exercising until bootcamp is over - have bookmarked that site and will read (in tandem with the IPD book!) when time allows!

hope everyone has a good day smile

NewStart - if you look on the spreadsheet under the tab 'Weigh-in to 6th January' your weigh-ins should be there under your old name

caramelwaffle Thu 09-May-13 11:08:59

Good morning all.

Seem to be just under 4lb down already this week.

Am eating quite a lot of cream, cheese and fish.

Have a good day.

NewStartNewStory Thu 09-May-13 11:09:18

thanks Willie. i clearly didn't do as well as i remembered last time blush

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 09-May-13 11:59:02

Hello newstart lovely to see you again, hope things go well for you!

daisy the pepsimax will be sabotaging all your other efforts, so we are shaking pompoms for you to GET RID! Tis evil, evil, evil stuff!

Whoever asked about coffee, there is conflicting evidence over whether or not it does give you an insulin spike. However, just personally I managed to cut down to one jolt a day, decaf the rest of the time. That one cup didn't seem to affect my weightloss. I think it's one of those situations you just have to judge for yourself. I love a tiny splash of double cream in my coffee now and am disappointed if a cafe only has milk! (Will take it black instead)

EwanHoozami Thu 09-May-13 12:12:58

I'm basking in the glory of nabbing three packs of stewing steak down to 50p at co-op. my slow cooker will be busy! LC can be cheap if you're a reduction shelf lurker. I have no shame grin

Hello, started the day with a big cup of bulletproof coffee and for lunch I had a salad with three eggs. Of course with plenty of oil and a bit of salt.

Took the LO to the aerodrome this morning and found out that there a regular bootcamp sessions. I am so signing up for one night a week.

newlark Thu 09-May-13 12:56:46

Dh had to get up early to get a flight so I did some baking for breakfast - based on a Rose Elliot cheese and almond bread recipe but I substituted some milled flaxseed instead of 1/3 of the ground almonds as I didn't have enough and baked it in 12 muffin cases instead of a 1lb loaf tin. Quite tasty warm with butter or unsweetened peanut butter (allowed as I am on the veggie plan before I get told off) though a very dense texture. Will be good for breakfast or as a snack.

My official 2 week loss is 7lb as I started on the Thursday before the official start. Very happy with that - am going to gradually migrate to Bootcamp light after the weekend - I need a few berries on my yoghurt!

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-May-13 12:57:59

<runs away from pompoms>

I am trying Toomuch, I really am, but I have an 11 year old serious addiction to conquer. I have cut back hugely, which is better, No?

<imagines the image of Beyonce on the can is Toomuch singing Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh No No>

Feeling shite this afternoon. Beginnings of a sore throat, nasty metallic taste in my mouth and my tonsils are looking ominously swollen and lumpy. This better not be the start of tonsilitis angry I haven't had it for years.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Thu 09-May-13 14:31:29

I have a quick question - my greek yog says 6.6g carb - of which 6.6 is sugars, so does that negate the carb content?

confused... I ate the whole pot anyway.

sammisatt Thu 09-May-13 14:44:52

Unfortunately not. You'd only negate the carb content if it was grams of fibre and I'm pretty sure in the Uk that labelled carb contents are net values anyway.

Sorry jax, sammisatt is right - UK labels are net carbs (unlike US) so you don't subtract the fibre, so that's the full 6.6g carbs for you there.

7g carbs isn't too bad, though it depends what you had with it of course

CrabbyBigbottom Thu 09-May-13 16:25:05

I'm feeling so much better today (day 3) - felt grotty yesterday and the day before but today feel clearer and more energetic, only a little bit of a headache, and not nearly so hungry. It's definitely worth persevering with the carb withdrawal!

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-May-13 16:58:44

I was looking at yogurts the other day, and Asda do a big 1.kg pot of Onken live yogurt which is only 4.1g carbs per 100g, so not much more than Total (which is 3.8). But you get twice the amount of yogurt, for about two thirds of the price! It's not as creamy and yummy though which is the only downside.

Deearnamaternitynurse Thu 09-May-13 17:41:32

I feel so I'll I'm not sure this diet is for me I can't think what isn't hurting the most I also have this horrid taste is this normal x

CrabbyBigbottom Thu 09-May-13 18:08:41

How long have you been doing it Deear, and are you sure that it's the diet making you feel ill rather than a virus or something?

I had a strange taste in my mouth yesterday and felt quite fluey, I smelled a bit odd too, I think. Fine today though.

How long have you been doing it Deearnamaternitynurse? I do sometimes get a taste but find cleaning my teeth and drinking lots of water helps.

Did you eat lots of carbs and sugar before? I would tend to think that if you are feeling really bad then you probably really need to do this to break the addiction cycle. Are you eating enough? Are you drinking enough water?

BlackAffronted Thu 09-May-13 18:09:07

Lidl Greek yog is 3.6g (or close to that) and delicious and cheap. £1.58 for a piant can! grin

BlackAffronted Thu 09-May-13 18:10:07

I get a funny taste when I first hit ketosis. That means its working! It goes after a few days.

prettybird Thu 09-May-13 18:15:44

The Lidl Greek yoghurt is brilliant: cheap and, even better, higher in fat than the Total Greek yoghurt! smile

Lovely and creamy. Once you've broken the addiction to sugar retuned your tastebuds, it almost tastes sweet! I enjoy it with a wee bit of cinnamon ", other have it with some cocoa or vanilla powder.

PennyHofstadter Thu 09-May-13 18:23:15

Just checking in, been ridiculously busy at work these last couple of days I've barely had time to eat anything at all let alone do some sneaky mumsnetting! I must admit, Monday was not a good day. A bit too much bank holiday cheer was enjoyed blush but I've been sticking to it since and the scales are slightly under the weight I logged on the spreadsheet on Monday so hopefully all is not lost. I haven't had time to catch up with the thread but I hope everyone is ok and doing well.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Thu 09-May-13 18:26:42

I only had it with cinnamon, didnt like it though, would rather have it on its own. It was Tesco Greek yog. I have another little pot, but will let DD scoff it with berries.

Going to do an online shop with Ocado, so will have a look at their yogurt.

Its a bit of a trek for me to get to a Lidl, so not sure the petrol V savings would work out.

I did think it was net carbs in Uk, just ever hopeful grin

sammisatt Thu 09-May-13 18:35:48

B: sausages and egg
S hard boiled eggs
L: mackerel avocado watercress spinach rocket salad
D 2 small beefburgers with cheese, roasted cauliflower roasted asparagus

Are we allowed cocoa powder? I've just had a teaspoon with cream as the PMT monster is calling.

Yama Thu 09-May-13 18:43:30

Snack tip for Bootcamp Lite: a spoonful of coconut oil with a few peanuts. Arghhh a la Homer Simpson.

sammisatt Thu 09-May-13 18:44:59

I know I've been eating too much processed meat but i reckon that's ok for the rest of bootcamp as I've cut yoghurt, coconut milk and nuts, berries etc which is what is normally have for breakfast.

dawnpreview Thu 09-May-13 18:52:05

I have not had a good week sad
Big slice of the kids birthday cake at the beginning of the week, and mcdonalds today. I have a hen party to go to on Saturday, which will involve pasta and alcohol.
I need a big kick up the backside sad

QueenofDreams Thu 09-May-13 19:01:25

I found yesterday that a few sips of coconut milk worked fab as a snack. I don't have peanuts though as I'm trying Primal and they're a nono in primal/paleo.

DP just came home with loads of desserts and a big old bag of crisps. Tiramisu looking at me but I turned it down and he gave it to the kids [smug]

Yama Thu 09-May-13 19:16:31

QueenofDreams - I'm actually going to try a dessert from the Paleo/Primal thread this weekend. Basically, you blend the hard portion of a (refridgerated) tin on coconut milk with some dark (cooled melted) chocolate.

I am going to be popular with the family. smile

QueenofDreams Thu 09-May-13 19:28:59

Mmm, sounds nice. I'll wait till I've got a bit more weight off before I try that though. Maybe in a few weeks grin

Must find a Primal tiramisu recipe. I'd be in heaven!

TreeLuLa Thu 09-May-13 19:32:53

Hi all,
Great to hear all the yummy things being enjoyed o this thread!
I've had another good day -
B - Total yog
L - celery and philadelphia, 1/2 an avo
S - Tuna steaks with creamy garlic mushrooms and asparagus. Yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Was amazing. And according to the scales have lost a lb since yesterday smile

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-May-13 19:45:42

The best laid plans...

Definately have a throat lurgy sad feeling really rubbish and have spent the afternoon shaking and shvering, so no lamb for me for tea <sobs>

Instead I have picked at some mozarella, and am currently craving carbs. This is purely an emotional response though (carbs = comfort) so I'm trying to cast it out of my mind!

I'm off for an early night so I'm not tempted with things I shouldn't have!

justpoppy Thu 09-May-13 19:50:23

Wish you better DAISY.

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 20:07:00

Sorry to hear that, LackaDAISYcal.

Go for alternative comfort - hot bath, good book, early bed.

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 20:08:59

dawnpreview - why did you do that?! Cake and McDonalds?! Talk about self-sabotage!

Honestly. No-one else can do this for you. You really do need to commit to it, as it simply won't work. Low carbing is not a forgiving way to eat, unlike low cal/low fat. Please, please, please when the hen night is out of the way, make sure you know what you're doing - meal plan, chuck out the carbs etc.

Ruprekt Thu 09-May-13 20:10:27

LIFECHANGING NEWS!!!smilesmilesmilesmile

I have just made a low carb quiche!!! With 'pastry' and everyfink!

The rather marvellous parmesan shortbread is the base which I blind baked. Mixture was cooked bacon and leek with cheese covered with a mixture of egg and dbl cream. smilesmile

Am so chuffed. (I am aware that gr almonds are not bootcamp)

Tis for lunch tomorrow.

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 20:11:37

How many carbs? Can you/have you put it on the recipe thread?

Ruprekt Thu 09-May-13 20:16:46

Dawn....BiWi is right. You have to commit to it and not keep cheating or you wont lose.confusedconfused

There is honestly nothing I miss from my OWOE (old way of eating). And DH and I have substituted everything for low carb things.

Pasta.....courgette strips fried in butter.

Rice....cauliflower grated fried in butter.

Bread....didnt eat a lot of it anyway.

Pastry.....parmesan shortbread!!smile

Have cut out cakes and biscuits anyway.

Ruprekt Thu 09-May-13 20:20:17

Didnt weigh it all so will have to re-do to get it accurate.

Will it just be the almonds that need counting?smile

WeOnlyPlannedTheFirst Thu 09-May-13 20:32:46

Sorry I don't post often but just a quick question - what sausages can I have? Lidl do some 95% pork ones are they allowed?

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 20:44:44

Check the carb counts on the back of the pack. If they are less than 3g carbs per 100g then they will be OK. The Black Farmer sausages are lovely.

(But remember, they are processed, so not to be eaten every day/at every meal!)

justpoppy Thu 09-May-13 21:00:15

I was recommended the Lidl Nuremberg sausages WeOnlyPlannedTheFirst. Not sure what the carb count is but they are bloody tasty.

TreeLuLa Thu 09-May-13 21:02:22

Hi all,

I have just read the VLCD thread and am tempted to give it a try - some of the ladies over there have had losses of 20lbs in 20 days shock

I know it is not a healthy way to go but I so want to lose the weight. I had 5 st to lose back in January and I STILL have 4 stone to lose now!! It sounds like I could lose 4 stone really quickly on one of those diets.

Please can you give me a kick up the bum and remind me why VLCDs are no good for you. And why the weight would go straight back on.


Waves to newstartnewstory! Keep the faith, you know it makes sense smile

Today is a lesson in what happens If you don't prepare:-
B Greek yoghurt
L- the intention was to go out and buy lunch. However I had no cover until I finished at 3-15 so stopped at aldi on the way home and Borg lots of low carb goodies.
I then ate a load of cheese slices and pistachio nuts o. The way to collect DC. Note to self - ensure you take something to eat to work!
D beef casserole with green veg

Ruprekt Thu 09-May-13 21:09:22

Tree.....tis not sustainable.

The food is full of processed crap and as soon as you eat normally the weight goes back on.

With LCing if you read up on it, it is sustainable and healthy and it clears your skin, sorts out blood sugars and the food is fabulous!

What is not to like? smilesmile

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 09-May-13 21:09:43

Menus, quite dull but will post anyway grin
B 2 eggs scrambled with butter and cream
L little gem lettuce wraps filled with tuna/avocado/mayo mash up
D beef stew with loads of leftover LC veggies. Prob more veg than beef!
S couple slices cheese

B 3 eggs as above
L not very hungry after B, so just a couple of slices naice ham with Philly and cucumber
D "cottage pie" LC style: mince sauce with extra leeks and mushrooms, topped with swede/shallot mash and grated cheese. Served with buttery spinach.

For those concerned about costs, I've just stocked up with loads of lovely LC goodies (yoghurt, cheese, cream, eggs, veggies, chicken, prawns) for 20 quid from Lidl, it really is a LCer best friend. Aldi can be good too. Remember we should be trying to eat the fattier cuts of meat and these are often cheaper than the "prime" cuts. Many people have had success with them done in slow cookers.

TreeLuLa Thu 09-May-13 21:11:08

I know that you are right Rupe (can I call you that?) wink

But it seems to be going so slowly for me!

I know that I feel great and am not hungry and am eating yummy food.

Maybe I should (finally) start my Shred DVD. That would probably speed things up.

Doshusallie Thu 09-May-13 21:12:55

B - 2 boiled eggs. Actually 1.5 by the time alot of the egg had come away with the shell hmm

L - big prawn salad (lettuce, celery, cucumber, mushrooms, mayo, loads of prawns)

Tea - chicken breast wrapped in cheese and bacon. Couldn't be bothered to cook any veg. blush

Snacks - one slice of lidl's Edam, I pkt pork scratchings.

2 litres of water, 1 decaf white tea, 2 decaf black coffees.

Ruprekt Thu 09-May-13 21:20:28

I love Rupe! smilesmile

B bacon, 2 eggs, celeriac, mushrooms

L Broccoli soup

D 2 slices belly pork crisped! Broccoli and coleslaw.

Peppermint tea

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 09-May-13 21:26:18

daisy think it's safe to say that's the first, and almost definitely the last, time I have ever been imagined as Beyonce!! grin thank you wink hope you feel better soon.

BerylStreep Thu 09-May-13 21:28:27

My DH has joined me, but is really irritating, because he can't be bothered to read up on stuff. I have the 10 rules on the fridge, which he has read, but I have just come in this evening to find that he has eaten 750g of greek yoghurt as a snack hmm. He seems to think that this WOE means you can eat with abandon. He's sulking now because I pointed out that 750g of yoghurt (who actually eats that amount anyway?) = 40g of carbs alone, not to mention everything else he has eaten today.

Annoyingly, I bet the weight will fall off him, whilst I am still hovering around the same weight, despite doing it to the letter.

prettybird Thu 09-May-13 21:34:31

B - yoghurt, cream and cinnamon
L - coleslaw (left over from last night) and cheddar cheese
D - chicken and vegetable broth
Snacks - slices of parmesan and quite a few almonds and two squares of plain chocolate blush

Must get to Lidl tomorrow for more low-carb snacks. grin

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 09-May-13 21:38:48

Haha I love the way the low carbers are invading the "what do you have for breakfast" thread on Chat just now, lets go grab a few more converts!! smile

Doshusallie Thu 09-May-13 21:55:35

I know too much, it's a low carb ambush, HILAIR!!!

ChippingInLovesSunshine Thu 09-May-13 22:01:19

Clare20 Great to see you - I'm glad you've come over to give it a go smile <I may have posted under MyHead on the other thread?! I name changed for another thread a while ago - a bit bloody pointless as I have to keep pointing it out LOL but hopefully it's 'thrown off' those IRL anyway!>

Beryl - you have my permission to kick him in the shins if he doesn't read up on it, doesn't follow your 10 rules and still loses weight quickly! Bloody men. grin

ChippingInLovesSunshine Thu 09-May-13 22:02:36

AND for the love of all things creamy - who the hell eats 750g of yogurt??? I can barely manage 120g of the greek stuff which isn't that nice

couch25cakes Thu 09-May-13 22:17:28

I've had a bit of a go at low carbing almost a year ago and life took a funny turn and I fell off the wagon. I want to start agin and once I've done a food shop can start when I like. But I'm going away next Friday night to Sunday with girlfriends to a hotel and I ow that'll be a huge struggle with drinking etc. I don't know whether to start this weekend for a week and then restart bootcamp for two weeks after I get back, or just spend next week reading up on it all, or do a lighter version before starting proper after I get back. What to do?

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 09-May-13 22:26:32

Yup doshie and I reckon the "worm" thread is rich pickings too, there are so many people on that thread who won't be in a hurry to eat spaghetti any time soon ..... wink

Hi all.

Going well here. The Eton mess that ds brought home yesterday is no more. I made DH eat it. Ditto the shortbread and some cheesecake leftover from weekend. My halo is so shiny!

Have been drinking lots of water. Funny how the more you drink the more you want! I've noticed that before. I think I generally don't drink enough - usually just drink tea all day and wine all night! So now my body is going "yay she's drinking water again - get more while we can!" smile

B was two boiled eggs
L was big salad with tuna mayo and avocado
S slice of cheese
Olives with my pre-dinner drink (water of course!)
D chicken thighs roasted with chorizo, onion and pepper served with cauliflower mash
A small piece of Brie

Feeling much slimmer. So much less bloated. I go to a toning machine place and have been 3 times this week walking 20 mins each way. Due to go tomorrow and Saturday too. Then hoping to restart C25k next week.

The weight I regained over weekend is gone now thankfully.

maidofmuss Thu 09-May-13 22:51:04

quick check in:
B mushrooms fried in butter, 2 eggs, handful spinach
L cold salmon, squeeze of lemon, salad
D chicken strips in butter with chunky courgette strips and spinach and dollop of cream (very moreish)
Not hungry but know am not drinking way enough water yet
Birthday drinks do after work tomorrow – panic. Thinking of allowing myself two gin and slimline tonics (or vodka sodas) interspersed with lots of fizzy water so I'm (theoretically) in control...

Bessie123 Thu 09-May-13 22:59:52

ruprekt I have made a quiche like that before but got the tastiest crust from mixing ground almonds and coconut flour. It tasted too almondy otherwise.

Bessie123 Thu 09-May-13 23:04:40

Oh shit, I am so tactless.

Obviously, your quiche will be delicious grin

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-May-13 23:29:12


had a nap, and now I'm wide awake and sore. No carb has passed my lips, but a few (honey-less) hot toddies might have blush <--- rosy cheeks from too many hot toddies wink

Deearnamaternitynurse Fri 10-May-13 05:48:04

Thanks to all those that replied to my post I did eat stacks of carbs before I just feel like I have this enormous headache, weird taste in mouth and at times quite shakes and in the need for a sugar fix, silly question but is diet coke allowed at all

teaandthorazine Fri 10-May-13 07:16:13

Deearna - that will be the carb flu. It's perfectly normal and will pass in a day or two. It tends to be worse the more carbs you previously ate, as it's your body's response to not getting its 'fix' any longer.

Take paracetamol, drink plenty of water. Do NOT drink diet coke! Diet drinks are the devils work - they have no place in a healthy diet imo. Make sure you're eating plenty of fat.

The good news is that once you're over it, you start to feel great! Keep going, you're doing well.

GetOrfMoiLand Fri 10-May-13 07:24:56

Hello everyone.

I had a funny a day yesterday, travelling a lot so didn't eat until 5' and had some prawns and chicken satay from M and S. Then some cheese and ham when I got in, was too tired to cook.

I am still 10 stone 4 toda so no loss, and feel very water retenetiony. Period needs to hurry up!

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 07:47:29

Argh. Dinner last night turned into a disaster! DP offered to cook his lamb and tomato stew last night. I thought 'fine, I'll just have it with veg instead of rice'. Except for some reason he put in half a bottle of honey. It was unbelievably sweet! By the time it was cooked it was too late to cook something else so I just tried to pick the lamb out of the sauce. Even so, it was probably still pretty carby with the little bit of sauce I couldn't avoid.

Queen how annoying! it happens though, and it sounds like you did your best. just drink plenty of water today and eat really cleanly and i wouldn't thought it would do much damage

it's funny though how quickly your tastes change though in terms of how sweet things seem isn't it

WhyIRayLiotta Fri 10-May-13 08:22:45

Arghhhhh crazy few days work wise have knocked me off the wagon big style.
I had to go away for 2 nights - to a random wee rural place and there was no option but to eat what the hosts provided. (Pizza blush)
I also drank alcohol on both nights - as I didn't want to tell my (all male) colleagues that I was on a diet - and if I didn't drink (I'm known to be partial to a tipple!) they would think I was pregnant!

I weighed this morning and I am 3lbs up from Tuesday angry

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 08:42:39

willie yes it surprises me. I've never had much of a sweet tooth anyway, and I've always found some things far to sickly, but a couple of weeks ago DP bought a pack of mango and I ate a piece. I'd been doing primal only a few days and that mango tasted like the sweetest most indulgent thing I'd ever had!

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 08:42:59

ugh too sickly

Good morning everybody!

I drank my second bulletproof coffee this morning and I am finally getting used to preparing it. Last night I had another big salad with cheese etc. I feel great, slept fantastic last night and I am looking forward to the weekend.

How is everybody getting on?

BerylStreep Fri 10-May-13 09:22:16

Blogging what is a bulletproof coffee?

rubybricks Fri 10-May-13 09:25:11

morning all!

blogging what is bulletproof coffee? is it where you take it with cream?? i have cut down to two cups a day (from about 8!) and am having difficulty keeping up with the thread, apologies.

i find i do ok when it's just me to think about, but struggle to prepare family meals. have chicken thighs in the fridge for tonight and no idea how to prepare them (threw a packet out last week as they went past the sell by date for the same reason blush)

hope everyone has a good day today!

teaandthorazine Fri 10-May-13 09:31:02

Oh, I love me a bulletproof coffee. It makes low-fatters heads explode grin

springykitsch Fri 10-May-13 09:35:40

<wave to fellow losers>

Excuse me for crashing into the thread - I started low-carbing this week and I was just thinking how easy it was to, pretty much, cut out carbs... but I had an awful gall bladder incident last night - ie lots of awful pain and feeling sick. BIWI can you give me some advice?

I admit that I didn't have any breakfast - early start, lots going on. When I finally got time to eat I ate a whole cured sausage (can't think what they're called!) - no rusk content (gluten intolerant). Immediately felt sick and I was knocked out for the day. I tried to eat some veg (raw carrot) but felt so awful I couldn't face it.

Now wary of setting off another jag. Eating greek yoghurt for breakfast but wary of eating meat. Help!

[btw I am also amazed at how this diet has switched off my sweet tooth! I had a very bad case of it and I have simply lost interest. Even chocolate adverts don't get me going... smile ]

prettybird Fri 10-May-13 10:11:17

Are they chicken thighs on the bone? I have a great recipe (actually from MN years ago). It does use a lemon - but it is only one amongst all the thighs so should be ok.

4-8 chicken thighs on the bone. Put into roasting pan or oven proof dish (I use a solid Le Creuset frying pan that can go from oven to stove). Squeeze a lemon over them and then tuck the two lemon halves in amongst the thighs. Tuck in plenty of unpeeled garlic cloves. Drizzle olive oil over it all and sprinkle with sea salt. Cook at 200C for 40 minutes. Optionally, after 20 minutes you can add some shredded basil.

The recipe also calls for 2 glasses of white wine: one to drink while it is cooking wink and the other to add to the juices once it has cooked (and taken the thighs out) and bubbled for a few minutes on the hob. Obviously while on Boot Camp, you could should forego this. grin

decaffwithcream Fri 10-May-13 10:21:08

Am also waiting agog to hear what a bulletproof coffee is!

decaffwithcream Fri 10-May-13 10:23:07

DS did not go to sleep at all last night - I don't mean he didn't sleep much, I mean he hasn't slept since wednesday night - so if you can advise re the coffee asap it would be much appreciated!

halfthesize Fri 10-May-13 10:25:06

Morning all, I am not a happy bunny have put on 1lb in a day and not sure howconfused hoping it was just not drinking enough water, knew I should not be weighing daily again, but could not help myself!!

Breakfast today was 2 eggs scrambled and a coffee.
2 pints of water already done.

DangerousMouse Fri 10-May-13 11:14:26

This WOE is getting very expensive for clothes! I have been low carbing since Jan, and am really getting through the sizes - how does everyone else deal with this? Maybe ebay is the way to go! If anyone is in Surrey and would like some size 16ish tops then let me know, I may just have to dump them.

decaffwithcream Fri 10-May-13 11:34:48

Perhaps we should have a clothes rotation as we all go down through the sizes? wink

Charity shops may be your best idea. I look forward to having that complaint!

DangerousMouse Fri 10-May-13 11:40:11

Theres never much good in the charity shops round here, will keep looking. I don't want to buy too much as saving up for a big shop before we go on holiday next month, hopefully another size down by then as well.

If you keep up with it you'll be whizzing through the sizes also - it doesn't take long. I was a size 20 in Jan, now my size 14's are feeling a bit loose.

BerylStreep Fri 10-May-13 11:42:31

Wow, DangerousMouse, that is amazing progress!

BerylStreep Fri 10-May-13 11:43:22

I have updated my weightless chart on my profile. Blue line is still on a downward trend, but still a lot of daily fluctuation.

Amazed at DangerousMouse! This is what I need to hear!

The bulletproof coffee, is it this:


kiwigirl42 Fri 10-May-13 11:53:15

decaffwithcream here is the original bulletproof coffee

I think lots of people just put coconut oil into black coffee. can't quite bring myself to try this myself yet.

I used to eat paleo and loved it but fell off the wagon. I did intermittent fasting before hysterectomy in March but wanted to cut out all grain again as my fibromyalgia pain is much improved when I do. Also want to lose 15kg and have started again this wk with low carb as it works for me. Have lost 2lb since Tues!
Have still eaten some Total greek yogurt though with tsp of honey. Makes me want to eat it.
Fav meal is fried bacon with courgette ribbons in butter. delicious.

Ocado do a Swedish hollandaise sauce which is 2g carbs per 100g. I had a tbsp last night with brocolli, mushrooms and fried aubergine. Yum.

decaffwithcream Fri 10-May-13 12:03:05

Thanks kiwigirl!

I think I would find that easier to try if I was in the snowy mountains of Tibet. I will think about the coconut oil, I couldn't contemplate coffee with cream until 2 weeks ago and now it seems lovely.

I do miss manuka honey as it's such a good anti-inflammatory. I'm glad this is not flu season as it would be hard to do without it then.

BerylStreep rubybricks

Bulletproof coffee is coffee with either MCT oil or virgin coconut oil and grass-fed butter. Yes, sounds disgusting but tastes amazing. A majority of my friends are strict Paleo followers and started drinking the bulletproof coffee a while ago and despite them not being overweight in the slightest I could tell a big difference in their appearance when I saw them last week after not having seen them since they started drinking it.

Buying usual coffee and putting coconut oil in it is not what a bulletproof coffee should be. You need to buy special low toxin, high performance coffee. I don't buy the one from the website and it is much cheaper to buy alternatives on the internet. I am lucky enough to live close enough to the WholeFoods store in Kensington and after having done a bit of research I found the Organic Grumpy Mule Columbia coffee to be the best. I paid GBP 3.75 for a small bag (250g). The best thing to add is MCT oil but I bought virgin coconut oil instead. I might change the MCT oil soon though. You also need to add butter, but the butter needs to be grass-fed. I buy Kerrygold.

I then eat my first low carb meal at 2pm and another last one at 8pm.

teaandthorazine Yes, so true.

I tend to wear a lot of dresses, so even after losing a bit of weight I can just wear a belt with a dress and it should be okay. Maybe buying wrap dresses is a good idea?

rubybricks Fri 10-May-13 13:04:55

thanks for that blogging and kiwigirl - am pleased to report i have virgin coconut oil AND grass-fed butter to hand - now how do i find out if my nespresso selections are high performance? smile

well done dangermouse - that really is terrific, you must be so pleased with yourself. it's so inspiring to hear this kind of thing. did you do a lot of exercise alongside the low-carbing? i'm finding it hard as i feel a bit spaced out a lot of the time.

thanks so much for the recipe prettybird, that's tonight sorted then! will forgo the wine, as one glass of anything is never enough smile but will let you know how it goes down with the family. am sure someone else posted a lovely recipe and that's why i bought them originally, but the thread moves so fast and i didn't make a note of it...

teaandthorazine i made a version of your cauliflower cheese last night - twas delicious, thanks!

B: 2 eggs fried in butter, half an avocado
L: spinach leaves, half an avocado, smoked mackerel fillet, spring onions, cucumber, dressing, mayo, slice cheese

DangerousMouse Fri 10-May-13 13:30:08

Thanks all blush

I haven't done any exercise at all, although I am going to be starting the couch to 5k next week, the loss to date is with no exercise at all.

There were lots of big losses at the end of last bootcamp, really inspiring.

Bessie123 Fri 10-May-13 13:30:48

blogging is the grumpy mule coffee all water processed? That Dave Asprey guy seems to think that is bad because it encourages mould toxins. This low toxin high performance stuff seems quite difficult to find - what were you looking for when you did your research? Was the grumpy mule the best because they are all water processed?

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 10-May-13 13:36:11

ooo great some experienced bullet proof coffee drinkers. I tried to make this last summer after reading great things about it - 1) it broke my liquidiser (boiling liquid into room temp glass!) 2) I felt sick for 2 hours

so, can you give exact quantities of each ingredient and how you combine them? I have heard some use aerolatte - I used to have one but it broke but would this do the job?

i think I felt sick for hours because I was not used to coconut oil at that stage although I have now worked up to managing 1 tsp on its own for an emergency snack at work (I bring no other snacks with me as I found I just used to eat them, hungry or not)

dangermous, I have started giving my clothes to the recycling place that pays you - RedCloud Recycling in surrey. They send them all over the world where there is a need.

someone asked about pressure cooker lamb shanks - recipe here

B: parmesan fried chicken, lump of cheese 2 rashers bacon
L: lamb shanks, cauli cheese, broccoli
D: chicken curry

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 10-May-13 13:39:09

I got up at 5.30am this morning and did my first 10 minute solution "blast off belly fat" shock I really enjoyed it! But I could hardly do any of the exercises due to being totally out of condition. I love getting up early before the kids, sadly they are early risers so 5.30am it is!

LackaDAISYcal Fri 10-May-13 13:45:38

springykitsch; having had my gallbladder out due to it being full of slush and mush; I cam empathise with you on the pain sad

Are you on the waiting list to have yours removed? If so, I was advised to have only white meat and fish, skimmed milk, definately no cheese or butter. Basically as fat free as possible, as the gallbladder kicks in to help metabolise fat. I don't think gallbladder disease and low carb are happy bedfellows, unfortunately.

Still feeling like shite today sad Things not going well from a food point of view either. I am mainlining throat lozenges and ate some Lindt chocolate bears last night for dinner washed down with lemsip. But....that's all I've eaten since yesterday lunchtime, if that's any consolation! <looks for positives>

I'm wrapped up in bed today, re-reading Neris and India and will be ready to start again tomorrow, hopefully if my throat calms down. No yukky white blotches so not tonsilitis, thankfully, but it's bleargh whatever it is! I may bootcamp for another week though.

LackaDAISYcal Fri 10-May-13 13:47:44

Oh, and well done DangerousMouse! That is mighty impressive weightloss grin

snowballinashoebox Fri 10-May-13 14:09:03

I have just about survived a visit to our local farmers market, full of twinkly eyed young men waving plates of double chocolate brownies under my nose. I was caught between a cider stall and a fudge stall like a frightened rabbitgrin
But in the main I have emerged unscathed and have lovely things like smoked crevettes and spider crab meat, gorgeous olives and cheese.

marybeard I am very impressed with your 5.30 exercise.
lackadaisy hope you are feeling better soon, sounds horrible.

Have a good weekend everyone, thanks for all the encouragement this week.

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 14:18:01

hey everyone!

dangermouse I'm so impressed with your weightloss! I'm peeved because I've lost about 1.5 stone before joining bootcamp, and when I went to get some new jeans in Primark as the old ones were falling off, I had to buy the SAME DAMN SIZE! and it was tight on me. I swear they're making their sizes smaller.

B: frittata with courgette, mushroom and spinach in it
L: Savoy cabbage topped with creamy mushrooms and parmesan with 1/2 avocado on the side. Totally yum

D: Steak with something or the other non carby to make up for last night's honey disaster.

1lb down today yay!

The ILs are coming over tomorrow for food and football. I'm going to be good and stick with the non starchy foods come hell or high water.

this thread makes me so pleased i'm low carbing and not low fatting!

timidviper Fri 10-May-13 14:49:32

Queen I am miffed because I have lost almost 2 and a half stone and am still in the same clothes, looser but still the same size! Amm looking on the bright side, thinking it's a marathon not a sprint, etc and am hoping I will whizz down the sizes faster once I start shrinking

JaxTellerIsAllMine Fri 10-May-13 17:25:40

I am struggling today, I dont think I have eaten enough and all I want is cake - in bucket loads. sad

B- 2 eggs scrambled in butter and lots of coffee

Lunch was some baby peppers stuffed with feta cheese, by god they were spicy! and some smoked ham - naice ham.

about 2 litres of water.

I am now very hungry, headachey and tired. Tired is because there was a gang of cats fighting right outside my bedroom window at 2am so not much I can do about that, the rest... <shrugs>

BlackAffronted Fri 10-May-13 17:26:16

My friend made me the cauli-base pizza for lunc today, and I have to say, it was rather tasty! Think I will try making it myself sometime.

Timid, my dear twin, we will get there! Size 12, here we come grin

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 18:02:10

Yeah definitely a marathon timid I've got a lot more to lose still!

Having said that, I've suddenly got killer cravings. Properly overwhelming. I think it's because DD force fed me a crisp earlier. I was fine until then and now I just have a craving so bad it's horrible!

Hmm, is there a recipe link for cauli-base pizza?

changeforthebetter Fri 10-May-13 18:11:02

Hi all, think I am more boot camp lite tbh. However, I am amazed I haven't eaten bread or potatoes for two weeks. I lost 4lbs but boozed and had some sugar over the long weekend ('twas my birthday). Am feeling a bit bloated today but forgot to take my water bottle into school so not enough liquid. I am sticking at 4lb loss but assuming that will increase as I don't intend to booze/have a sugar-fest again for a good while) I still think this WOE is a great idea and, bar today, I have been spared the bloating and awful wind I usually get blush


So looking forward to my dinner. Steak, celeriac dauphinoise and fried mushrooms with a little onion. Only a little as I only had half an onion left! Never had celeriac so could be interesting!

B was two poached eggs and some ham
L was salad with egg mayo with some cherry tomatoes and a couple of slices of pastrami that need using up.
S slice of cheese

Lots of water.

Tummy feels remarkably flat although no loss on scales for a couple of days.

I too sympathize with the clothes size issue. Lost 2.5 stone last year and went from a 22/24 to an 18-20. Felt like it should have been more! Desperate to get into a 16. A 12 is a complete fantasy!

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 18:21:42

I'm currently a 16, wanting to get down to a 10 at some point in the future, so I'll settle for looking forward to size 14 for the moment!

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 18:48:25

Hi all,

Another good day, though rather stressful, food-wise was good.

I am currently a size 20. Was a 22. Want to be a 14. 12 I can only dream of.

However, 4 more lbs and I will cross my second 'stone' - really hoping to get there in the next week grin

amigababy Fri 10-May-13 18:48:55

has anyone tried the Alpro plain soya yogurt? I don't eat dairy so I have this at 2.1g of carbs per 100g. It's really refreshing and creamy.


I researched googled one evening on the internet and found several people suggesting the coffee from Grumpy Mule. They also describe it as 'washed' on the website which means as much as wet processed I was told.

halfthesize Fri 10-May-13 18:53:21

Well done Dangermouse fantastic results grin

BIWI Fri 10-May-13 18:55:18


There are 5.6g carbs in every teaspoon. Way, way too high. And if you keep eating honey you won't break the sugar addiction.

LackaDAISYcal Fri 10-May-13 18:57:36

Had my rolled lamb thing tonight, with cauli mash (needed more seasoning, but OK for a first attempt) and garlic mushroooms. Twas delish, if a bit beige and colourless), but I feel a bit sick now.

And of course, DH had to bring home lots of goodies from work, as they have been trialling the Christmas range confused, including a millionaire's shortbread trifle thing, mini chocolate truffle cakes, lovely bread and pate, a huge gammon joint and some sliced ham. I'm not bothered for the cakey things and breads as I can't eat them anyway, but the sliced ham has a fruit glaze and there are no ingredients, so not sure of the pate is safe. I will be having the gammon whilst everyone else tucks into cake!

Last week he brought home a basket full of apples and pears with a few avocados thrown in! I love his job at times grin

BIWI Fri 10-May-13 18:58:05

springykitsch - I'm really sorry to hear about your gall bladder woes. Sadly it's something I know absolutely nothing about, so others here will be better placed to advise you. You have all my sympathy as I understand that it's very painful.

DangerousMouse - brilliant progress! Whizzing through the sizes is so satisfying. One of the most amazing things to ever have come out of my mouth was "these are too big, do you have them in a size 8?" grin

twinklestar2 Fri 10-May-13 19:16:56

I'm finding this WOE eating hard and am wondering if its right for me? I feel like I'm eating the same things every day - erm because I am! I'm having scrambled eggs for breakfast, chicken salad for lunch and then meat and veg for dinner, although today I had 2 sausages and a boiled egg for dinner cause I was so hungry. I have to confess I had a handful of doritoes before dinner because I was SO hungry and then after dinner I had a Mr Kipling cake slice.

I dont eat fish or cheese so I'm struggling with meal ideas.

twinklestar2 Fri 10-May-13 19:17:43

Just wanted to add I had the cake slice because I wasn't satisfied.

The good thing about this diet though is that I have stopped snacking.

What do you think I should do?

BIWI Fri 10-May-13 19:28:34

Do you believe that it is a good way to eat - i.e. for your health as well as your weight?

Do you prefer eating like this to having to count every calorie or buying low fat foods stuffed with sugar and artificial ingredients?

If so, then you should stick with it! But you should certainly not be eating the same thing every day. Why are you? Why have scrambled eggs every day? Why not have hard boiled eggs, mashed with mayo or butter, or poached eggs with spinach and hollandaise sauce, or a mushroom omelette?

One of the really liberating things about this WOE is that you are able to eat lovely, satisfying foods - even if you don't like fish/cheese.

Have you checked out the recipe thread? Plenty of inspiration there.

But if you're hungry, then you're not eating enough and not eating enough fat. You will certainly have sabotaged yourself with the Doritos and Mr Kipling cake - and they're not even that nice either! grin

Look, only you can make the decision if this WOE is for you. Of course I'm going to tell you it is. But I can't do it for you!

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 19:29:22

twinkle, you are not really eating proper food!!

Have a look at some of the daily menus that people are posting - they should give you some good ideas.

ALso, if you combine carbs with this high-fat way of eating, then you will put on weight!! It's only OK to eat lots of fat if there are no carbs too.

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 19:30:35

I have just done Day one of the 30 day shred. All my muscles are trembling.

But I am grin.

Lightest I have been for 18 months grin grin


thank you very much to those who have weighed in, and well done everyone! i am pleased to announce:

Biggest loser of the week: TreeLuLa
Biggest %age loser: PennyHofstadter

<wild applause>

a couple of points:

- i have archived those who did not give an initial start weight, as according to the spreadsheet that would mean their weight was 0 and that would skew me averages. if you find that you have disappeared from the spreadsheet this is probably the reason why and please note that you have NOT been kicked out of bootcamp it is purely for accurate calculation purposes - just shout and you will be reinstated

- for the biggest %age loser i tend to discount those who count their weight down from 100, as their %age loss is artificially high. i hope no one minds or is offended, it's purely for accurate calculations again

twinklestar2 Fri 10-May-13 19:40:34

BIWI - sorry to be awkward! But I dont eat butter or mayo. Or poached eggs! Or mushrooms!

I sound like a fussy bitch, dont I?!

I made the celariac dauph (cant spell it!) the other day and I didn't like that creamy taste and texture.

I think I'll do a meal plan for the coming week so I'm not eating the same every day.

I'm tracking on MFP so I can keep an eye on cals and carb count, etc.

Before I started this WOE I was already eating mainly non processed, organic and low carb as in no pasta, rice, potatoes or bread. This is taking it to the next level and not sure if I'm ready for it!

I wanted to get soup for lunch from Pret - the Moroccan chicken soup - from the ingrediants it looked ok to eat but then the carb count said 32g shock

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 19:44:28

williw I am very excited but I fear I have filled in your spreadsheet wrongly (sorry sorry sorry)

I have only lost 2 lbs this week, but put in my start weight for my start date in January (had lost 10 lbs in all) but not all in one week!

I think the gong needs to go to someone else!

<<hands back garland of ivy>>

Can I ask advice please? Sorry if it has all been asked millions of times!
I want to try a low carb diet for a while, got weight to lose and also a bad headspace about food, especially carbs. I've been 4:3ing and stalled on weightloss also I can't really do it when I'm at home all day, and I've got 3 months of dissertation writing coming up.
So. I'm vegetarian, no fish, but dairy and eggs I love. I can't do a strict strict diet so is boot camp light what I'm going for? Does anyone have any links? Or recipe ideas? Any other veggie low carbers who can give me any tips? I tried grated cauliflower instead of rice today and it was amazing.

BIWI Fri 10-May-13 19:51:20

Twinklestar - you aren't being awkward at all. We all have our own little foibles! grin

But please don't worry about calories - we really, really, really don't count calories on Bootcamp/when we're low carbing. There is no need

When you say this is 'taking it to the next level' I don't understand what you mean. If you were already avoiding processed foods, and not eating bread/pasta/rice, then that's pretty much Bootcamp. What are you doing/eating (or not doing/eating) that you feel is moving you to the next level?

not to worry treelula - i've added your loss since january in columns D-F (it's where i put in losses that people want to include which fall outside the bootcamp we're currently on)

It just means that pennyhofstadter is also biggest loser for the week!

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 19:54:44

I don't eat meat and have been on Bootcamp or Lite since January.

Mushroom omlette
Scrambled egg
Celery with Philadelphia or peanut butter
Total Greek yoghurt
Biled eggs mashed with Boursin

greek salad
mozzarella, tomato, basil and olive salad
Halloumi salad
egg salad
celery with boursin
egg mayonnaise inside little gem salad leaves

Swiss eggs (eggs, tomato, herbs, cheese)
Vegetable curry with cauli rice
Egg and celeriac chips

That's all I can think of off the top of my head - I eat fish so dinners is the trickiest I think - I rarely have fish in my lunch or breakfast. I have to take care with cheese and not eat too much.

Omg I've just noticed the questions thread blush off to read.

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 19:55:48

Thanks willie.

That's what comes of filling the spreadsheet in in excitement at 6.20am!!

Thanks treelula they sound great! I need a lost of veg that are low carb I think. How are parsnips? My friend made me some parsnip chips in a deep fryer which were gorgeous, as nice as proper chips! But I bet parsnips are quite carby aren't they?

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 20:05:13

Oh yes, no parsnips. You will need to watch out for BIWI and her big stick if you mention them again wink

twinklestar2 Fri 10-May-13 20:07:34

I used to have soup for lunch - one of those Tesco Finest ones and I used to allow myself a wholemeal wrap once in a while. And I used to eat yoghurt and fruit for breakfast or have muesli (nice Dorset cereals one).

Maybe I'm just having a hungry day?

TreeLuLa Fri 10-May-13 20:08:33

Oh and Ehric - broccoli and stilton soup. yummmmmmmm

Great smile there are so many delicious meals that I would usually avoid when trying to lose weight. Looking forward to the challenge!

BIWI Fri 10-May-13 20:44:36

No such thing as a hungry day, really - you're not eating enough fat! (Possibly also not drinking enough water)

springykitsch Fri 10-May-13 21:02:02

That's a blow, then, about too much fat re gall bladder sad

I was so excited that I had found something that works, is stupidly easy and is delicious! Maybe I can keep an eye on fat content in future? I normally eat a very healthy diet aside from the mountains of choc etc recently blush and know a fair bit about nutrition - so I don't, eg, eat low-fat stuff because of the crap that is in it (re SUGAR!). I'll have to go to my GP re gall bladder but I don't want anyone saying this WOE is too faddy/doesn't work etc - you know how GPs can be jealous of anything that isn't their suggestion!

Fell off the wagon spectacularly this evening. I considered texting my friend beforehand to ask her to put it all away (she bakes endless cakes) but thought I'd be fine..... I didn't want to make a fuss, don't want everyone knowing what I am doing.

HeirToTheIronThrone Fri 10-May-13 21:22:24

Hello all, just checking in. Having a lazy Friday night on the sofa with a pint of water, replete with sausages and the braised cabbage of joy. Feel like I am back in the swing, though mindlessly ate a Jaffa cake this morning at a meeting before I realised what I was doing!

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 21:33:17

Well I managed to avoid caving to the carb craving, but I feel like I messed up royally because I drank some cream, ate a slice of ham and ate a few slices of camembert to try and survive the cravings. Now I feel like a ball of lard! Tucking into steak and salad for dinner though.

QueenofDreams Fri 10-May-13 21:34:07

Oh and I've lost 1lb this week, so some weight off is good in my book grin

JaxTellerIsAllMine Fri 10-May-13 21:46:15

DH scoured the shops and got 2 packets of pork scratching for me. Ive scoffed one, drank literally litres of water today and have stayed on track. I know I didnt eat enough today, but I need to give myself a kick up the arse.

twinklestar2 Fri 10-May-13 22:04:18

BIWI I'm going to start again tomorrow morning. Thx for the chat.

Will post menu every day to help keep me on track.

Thanks smile

WhyIRayLiotta Fri 10-May-13 22:10:16

Having a quiet no booze! Friday night - watched 'Come Dine With Me' and one o he dinners was Disco chicken would it be ok for boot camp? I love chorizo... But is it too carby?

rubyrubyruby Fri 10-May-13 22:26:12

I'm drinking tonight. I have a good reason.

Finding bootcamp ok but have decided to not weigh myself until the end of bootcamp.

NewStartNewStory Sat 11-May-13 03:39:10

Sorry WIllie Haven't found the scales blush will sort the starting weight out for monday.

No worries newstart, i'll pop you back on, I just had to remove you for the calculations

sammisatt Sat 11-May-13 07:30:39


B: sausages mushrooms egg
L pork chop leeks
S. was feeling v drained and pmt so was naughty and broke boot camp rules by having strawberries with toasted walnuts and Greek yog. I did do a double class in the gym afterwards and it made me feel a lot better.

D: half an avocado with a piece of cheese and mayo

QueenofDreams Sat 11-May-13 08:12:46

Woohoo, I'm another 2lb down this morning! making 3lb since starting bootcamp grin

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 08:31:49

QueenofDreams - flowers - but in what way is I drank some cream, ate a slice of ham and ate a few slices of camembert to try and survive the cravings messing up royally? Unless you know you have a dairy problem, this is perfect low carb eating. OK, the ham is processed - but you have eaten without eating carbs. And you have also eaten fat, which is a good thing!

..... which is also probably why you are 3lbs down grin


BIWI Sat 11-May-13 08:34:31

springykitsch - low carb eating (i.e. high fat) doesn't cause gallstones, btw. This, from lowcarbfriends:

"Low carb doesn't cause gallstones but low cal eating in the past is more the culprit-the gallbladder becomes full of sludge from bile collecting-with low fat bile secretion is slowed and stones are often formed. Then when you do eat something fatty, bile secretion is triggered and the pain and attacks come from the clogged gallbladder or any stones there."

Just in case you get told that this WOE is causing you problems ...

That said, obviously if eating this way now is not helping, then you need to do what is necessary to keep your pain down.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 08:35:27

twinklestar - as the saying goes "tomorrow is another day" grin

You are very welcome, and I hope that you manage to find a way to make it work for you. Certainly lots of people here to help and support you. Even if that's just down to "what can I make for tea?"!

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 08:38:33

rubyrubyruby - are you OK? flowers

WhyIRayLiotta - chorizo has some carbs in it (it varies according to the brand), and it is, of course, a processed food, but it's not that bad and is fine for Bootcamp. I did check it out once, as it's in one of the recipes I've posted on the recipe thread (Spanish Chicken).

sammisatt - I'm loving that strawberries with toasted walnuts and Greek yog is being naughty! OK, so the fruits/nuts aren't Bootcamp, but we are so nearly at the end of this fortnight, and you will be able to include them from Monday that it really doesn't make that much difference. (Unless you had a ton of each, and have gained 3 stones as a consequence, of course!)

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 08:40:54

And I'm checking in this morning another 2.75lbs down, making a total of 4lbs for me so far. I'm now back to my pre-Christmas weight of 9 stone 3.75lbs. Makes the prospect of 8 something seem a bit more realistic!

QueenofDreams Sat 11-May-13 08:58:16

Thanks BIWI smile if I lose another 3lb I'll have lost exactly 2 stone since I started watching what I eat. With another 2 to go.

You're at my goal weight. I want to be 9-9.5 stone. Not quite sure where exactly I want to be, but the closer to 9st the better.

It's nice eating this way as I've always loved fat. I always eat all the fat on my steak and my bacon, and I always use real butter rather than spreads because it just tastes better.

On another note, is pumpkin allowed on bootcamp? I know it's fairly carby but not sure if it's allowed. I'm thinking of having some spiced pumpkin with coconut milk for breakfast this morning.

CrabbyBigbottom Sat 11-May-13 08:59:07

Morning everyone, doesn't Saturday morning look brighter when you're not hungover (well it does for me, anyway)! smile

Half a pound off yesterday and then again today. That makes 5lbs off since I started on Tuesday. smile

I wasn't very hungry on Thurs, after feeling ravenous the first two days, and felt even less hungry yesterday. Feeling much clearer, calmer and more energetic than usual.

Shame I'm going to blow it all tonight by going to dinner with friends where I will drink too much and eat their asparagus risotto. hmm Still, I'm just going to enjoy it and climb back on the wagon tomorrow.

B/L - smoky chicken, avocado, watercress/rocket/spinach, feta cheese, quartered olives, drenched in alioli - henceforth known as heavenly salad, 'cos it is!
D - left-over celeriac mash, refried. Chorizo, mushrooms, broccoli, a few little tomatoes (found some little ones on the vine at Sainsbo's that are 3.1 carbs), halved shallots, all tossed in oil with a bit of chilli and paprika and baked.
Snack - parma ham and chaource cheese.
2 cups tea. 2L water

B - bit of parma ham with some chaource cheese.
L - heavenly salad
D - pork tenderloin fillet wrapped in bacon and roasted, with roasted broccoli and roasted celeriac mash.
Snack - some smoked salmon bits, chopped up, mixed into a load of creme fraiche with a dollop of 'caviar' (sounds so much more glamorous than lumpfish roe...) grin This filled me up so much (5pm) that I still wasn't hungry at 8pm and didn't eat much dinner.
2 cups tea, 2L water
Also sipped half a glass of red wine with dinner. blush

<<runs aways and hides>>

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 09:04:38

Ah well. Such is life, Crabby! If you can help yourself, just take a smaller portion and more veg/salad - always assuming that those are served! But otherwise, just enjoy it.

Your food sounds lovely, by the way!

CrabbyBigbottom Sat 11-May-13 09:10:45

Thanks BIWI!

You are a friend of a friend, btw (hint - I'm a cfr). smile I'll be having said friend round for dinner at some point and cooking them low-carb, so she can report back on my cooking! grin

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 09:20:21


I wondered ... !

Makingmama Sat 11-May-13 09:48:17

Hi everyone, and what a fab thing you're doing here BIWI! I'm going to have a read through the rules etc today and start the bootcamp tomorrow if that's ok. I'll just add my name and weight to the bottom of the spreadsheet with weigh in the morning?

I have nearly a stone to lose and really really want to lose it before the end of June!! Desperate measure now smile

QueenofDreams Sat 11-May-13 09:53:24

where do I find the rules of bootcamp? I haven't even read it yet, just been winging it!

Makingmama Sat 11-May-13 10:03:38

It's on the spreadsheet link on OP queen, there are different tabs along the bottom of spreadsheet.

Makingmama Sat 11-May-13 10:09:15

Can I just confirm that the Bootcamp is just for 2 weeks? Then we move onto the Bootcamp light? How long is the Bootcamp light? And then what's the next step?

Also can I have the odd diet coke on Bootcamp? Or is it just water and herbal teas like green tea, peppermint etc? Thank you.

LackaDAISYcal Sat 11-May-13 10:10:29

That's interesting re the carby-ness causing gallstones in the first place, especially as most people with gallstones/gallbladder disease are overweight, from the excessive carbs no doubt.

I suppose it could be the case that switching to this WOE might trigger a pre-existing gallbladder issue, hence people assuming that low carb has caused the issue in the first place hmm

Still feeling grotty today, but the pain started in my left tonsil, then was in both and now only on the right side, so I assume I'm almost over the worst of it. And aside from a few throat lozenges and lemsips (and of course the lindt teddies blush) I've managed to stick to low carb. Scales are showing a loss this morning, albeit a teeny one. So I'm happy with that, but we'll see what Monday brings!

Back on full throttle today, and going cold turkey with the filthy pepsi max <wibbles>

Breakfast has been my cauli mash from last night, mixed with a bit of grated mozarella and fries, plus two slices of bavarian smoked ham rolled up with cream cheese (paprika flavoured from Aldi)...deeelish

Morning all,

3lbs down since weighing in on Tues morning so am chuffed with that.
I had a big doo last night and only had 4 vodkas which is most restrained for me.
Just had a big cheese and mushroom omlette for breakfast - yummy

Good morning everybody!

Just sipping a huge bulletproof coffee. I am starting to get ill. No movement on the scale but I am not really surprised. I got my period and tend to put on 3-4lbs water weight every time.

I am looking forward to my first meal at 2pm. IF suits me really well. I am energetic and don't even complain about long study sessions.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 11-May-13 10:58:51

morning. I have just had a lovely sausage from Heck - not seen it in supermarket before, but 97% proper meat and it is gluten free, they are on special in Tesco at moment.

So, B - I cooked all 6 sausages, but only ate 1, will keep the others for snacks if the rest of the family dont scoff them lots of mushrooms fried in lots of butter and 1 egg. Im stuffed. grin

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 11-May-13 11:00:10

stood on the scales, but havent lost anything, but thats fine, because I had a big loss over the past 2 weeks. My clothes feel looser though.

Jax I tried those Heck sausages got our one BBQ of the year last weekend and everyone loved them. Really nice flavour and I always love a bargain'

Measure, measurs, measure ladies

Honestly you will stall at some point in the next 4 weeks on the scales and to keep the faith measure yourself. You WILL see a difference

Tigglette Sat 11-May-13 11:25:06

I've had a busy busy week so not been here much, have stayed on track though so it's all good. Food for today;-

B. bacon, eggs, mushrooms, sausages
L. Omelette with cheese and shallots
D. Thai prawn curry with pal choi

Morning all. Just back from Tonacise. Managed to walk in the door just as the rain hit. But got my 40 min walk in so happy with that.

No movement on scales here been 14 10 for last couple of days. But am not worried. I have stuck to plan so am sure it will show on scales eventually. And a lady at Tonacise told me she can see that I have lost weight! I actually got measured on Wednesday and will be measured again in a month which will be interesting.

Had a look at the bulletproof coffee. Looks interesting. Not sure if I am brave enough to try it though!

The celeriac dauphinoise went down well here last night. Very yummy dinner. Although I was hungry later so obv didn't eat enough. Had a few bits of cheese.

B today was a Greek yoghurt with a teaspoon of flaxseeds - I need the fibre.
S was some egg mayo
L will be big salad with a chicken breast and mayo
D will be roast lamb, mashed swede and buttered leeks and asparagus.

Not tempted by alcohol at all at the moment which is amazing for me. Am desperate to get down to 14 7 by Wednesday as it's my birthday. Even contemplating staying on bootcamp on my birthday! Will see how I feel on the day.

decaffwithcream Sat 11-May-13 11:26:08

Was shocked to find there were no eggs when I went to make breakfast - Twinklestar a spinach omlette is really nice if you don't like mushrooms. I use the bags of fresh spinach and it makes a fairly instant breakfast.

Today I had lots of mashed avacado with a bit of goats cheese/cream cheese on 2 slices of chicken instead. And some Lidl yoghurt.

rubybricks Sat 11-May-13 11:26:25

do you mind me asking what your starting weight was BIWI? your current weight seems unattainable to me, i'd just love to be back where i was pre DC - but have been wishing to be the weight you are for pretty much all of my adult life.

watched 'secret eaters' on catch up last night and realised i have been just like the woman on it who picked all day while attempting to starve, then binged at weekends. that and many other weird ideas around food/what's good for me smile.

have to confess to 2 glasses red wine at the end of an uber stressful day - felt decidedly lightheaded afterwards and headachy this morning, hope i haven't derailed things too much. giving up alcohol to this extent has been much more of an issue for me than chocolate/sweet stuff, oddly enough.

really loving the fact that i have (with the exception of those 2 transgressions with wine - last night and last week) managed to stick to something for so long, this is UNHEARD OF in my world!

can't thank all you losers enough, really flowers

GetOrfMoiLand Sat 11-May-13 11:59:33

Sausage recommendation - Paul Rankin sausages. Gluten free and low carb, 1.4 carbs per 100g (6 sausages are 400g) and really tasty. Very peppery. They are on special offer, 2.50 in Asda.

I am still 10.4. So stalled all week, why the fuck?

Could it be because I am near my target weight? My actual target is 9.7, but I don't know if that is realistic. I have never weighed that in my life. Last year when I did this my target was 9.13, just to get under 10stone, and I achieved that (just before a holiday with cocktails and then Christmas straight after!).

Anyway bloody period still not shown up and I still feel bloated despite having not eating anything dodgy all week.

Anyway I am having a drink tonight.

marybeard what's your fried parmesan chicken recipe? it sounds tasty (sorry if you've posted it before)

BlackAffronted Sat 11-May-13 12:04:32

Just checking in. Just about to go shopping, so nosing in the recipe thread for some ideas. Going to make mini pizza bites, top a mushroom with cheese & a pepperoni slice & cook in the oven, for when I fancy something "nibbly".

CrabbyBigbottom Sat 11-May-13 12:13:26

I just had to nick some sticks of celery from the rabbit to go with my baked camembert. She looked at me like this hmm


rubyrubyruby Sat 11-May-13 12:15:43

BIWI yes, I'm fine thanks.
It was a celebratory drink that I needed smile

CrabbyBigbottom Sat 11-May-13 12:15:44

Getorf I read in a low-carb book that your weight loss will stop when you're the right weight for your body, if that's any comfort. How tall are you?

decaffwithcream Sat 11-May-13 12:41:59

grin at "you losers"

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:18:56

Makingmama - Bootcamp lasts for 10 weeks. The idea is that we do two strict weeks, then move to Bootcamp Light for the remaining eight.

However, it's really up to you. Some people - after the two strict weeks - like to continue with Bootcamp. Some like to do a hybrid, i.e. Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

The first two strict weeks are petty non-negotiable, as it's the best way to switch your body into fat-burning mode, but after that it's what works for you really.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:22:25

rubybricks - my starting weight, Jan 2012, was 11 stone 5.5lbs. At 5ft 2in that was pretty hefty!

When I got married, when I was 30, I weighed 8 stone 11lbs. That's my ultimate aim to get back to that.

Although I'm OK with my weight as it is at the moment, I still carry an obvious amount of flab around my torso - I reckon it's probably around another 3-4lbs to go to get rid of that, so 8 stone 11lbs is a weight I'm beginning to think I should aim for. I've been aiming for 9 stone now for years!

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:24:12

GetOrf, I believe the technical definition of a stall is something horrendous like 6 weeks without any loss!

Thing is, that might be your body's preferred 'natural' weight. What do you like naked, if you'll pardon the personal question? grin Can you see obvious lumps and bumps? Or is it just a desire to see lower numbers on the scales?

If you switch to low calorie eating, you can go lower - but that's because you will lose muscle rather than just fat. So it's not really about the numbers on the scales, it's about your body and its tone/appearance.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:25:03

.... and if you're near your period, that's definitely a reason why you are holding onto those irritating pounds!

Bloated ---> drink more water

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:26:18


BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:32:12

As a reminder - Bootcamp Rules

1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.

A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals – meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, bacon, pre-prepared burgers, Pepperami etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars. These products contain all manner of artificial ingredients, and often contain sugar. You should always check the carb counts of these foods if you are including them, as some of them can be surprisingly high (e.g. Tesco Chargrilled Burgers - per burger, fried, there are 5.4g carbs)

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first).

Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it.

Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from http://www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Your Weight----------Litres

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada

After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later, when we move into Bootcamp Light - it can be too easy to start snacking on these, and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in Bootcamp - don't do it to yourself!

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended.
Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

LackaDAISYcal Sat 11-May-13 13:32:28

I have no idea how much I should weigh. When I was 18 I weighed 8st 4lbs. I put on a fair bit of weight pretty quickly after starting University and went up to almost 10stone. I then dietted down to around 9stone and was between 9 and 9.5 stone for years before having DS1. And I thought that I was too heavy then. Prior to having DD I was around 10.5-11stone.

I don't think I'll ever get down into the 8s again and given my starting weight of alnmost 13stone, if I get to under 10stone I will be ecstatic grin

I'm also 5'2" but even at 8at 4 I was a bit ample of bum and thigh!

barleywood Sat 11-May-13 13:35:32

Chipping in with my two penny worth......hope it doesn't sound smug, it's meant to be encouraging.

Can't remember when I started this WOE, sometime around early summer 2012.

Can't really remember starting weight but I know that at one point I did touch 10 1/2 stone which at 5'3' was too heavy for me.

Briefly!! last week the scales touched 8 1/2 stone. I cannot remember the last time I weighed that. I was around 9 stones when I got married...many moons ago, and initially 9 1/2 was my target weight.

During this time I have had holidays, the Olympic Park, celebrations and many lapses but I just keep getting back on the wagon and minimise the damage.

I love cooking...and eating. I love this WOE.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:37:30

According to the BMI charts, LackaDAISYcal, the weight range for someone who is 5ft 2in is 7 stone 9 lbs - 9 stone 6 lbs. So a pretty big range! I don't there there is a snowball's chance in Hell that I'd ever get down to 7 stone 9!

However, it's also worth bearing in mind that if you're fit/training regularly then you will be carrying more muscle, which weighs more than fat. So take the numbers on the scales with a pinch of salt.

maidofmuss Sat 11-May-13 13:37:39

Felt virtuous last night on fizzy water with just one voddy-soda - though tough when everyone else was glugging wine. Same problem tonight at family do - also sounds like is going to be a carb fest with pizza, breads etc. Hope I don't drink too much and have a what the hell moment....
Yesterday was
B. Smoked salmon slices wrapped round cream cheese (v filling)
L. More salmon - cold with iceberg lettuce and cucumber (from dep store caff)
D sea bream stuffed with herby butter, cauli mash and sautéed courgette

Today so far:
B scrambled eggs - fast as dashing out(really really missed fave breakfast of yog, honey, fruit and handful nutty muesli tho today)
L feta with beetroot and parsley (bit carby but not feeling as upbeat today)
D. Help!
Good luck all over weekend. Will think of BIWI's big stick to keep ms going til weigh in!

Ruprekt Sat 11-May-13 13:38:46

The quiche was fabulous!

Will make another tomorrow and work out the carbs.

Had bacon, avocado, 2 poached eggs and fried mushrooms at 12 today. Need to drink some water.

QueenofDreams Sat 11-May-13 13:42:17

Well, I'm 5'2 as well, and my starting weight over a year ago was 13 stone 4! BMI of 31 so into the obese range sad. I'm aiming for near to 9st. If I go much below that I start looking too skinny.

I'm quite happy I at least weigh less than DP now! I'll probably keep it bootcamp style for a week after everyone else goes light, as I've only joined this week. I'm not really struggling except for last night's crisp craving moment!

toomuchtoask Sat 11-May-13 13:44:06

Back on track for the past few days. Sore stomach today but I think that's because I'm due on my period.

Today I've had:
B - 2 egg omelate.
L - chicken + stir fry veg.

Tea will be veggie soup. My hunger seems to be more under control but I have to say I still want chocolate and sweets! Trying to resist as I have 2 months 2 weeks to lose 2 stone (doable?)

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:46:44

Can I just say that I took almost a year to lose 2 stones, which is quite slow. But during that time, I had two weekends away with DH, a work trip to Athens (which involved entertaining/nights out with clients), a fortnight's holiday in Barbados, where I seemed to consume nothing but carbohydrate and rum. Every Friday we have an Indian takeaway. Although I don't eat rice, I do occasionally snaffle a bit of DH's naan bread. We go out for dinner every Sunday, so it's not always possible to control the carb intake. I (mostly) avoided alcohol during the week, but not always. If I was going out for dinner with friends, I still drank wine.

In other words, I lost weight whilst still enjoying my life. I have never felt deprived.

I'm not saying this to give you all carte blanche to fall into the biscuit tin whilst swigging from the wine bottle, but just to illustrate how this can very easily become a WOE. This is the way I will eat for the rest of my life.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:48:04

.... and because I am very clearly ketogenically-adapted now (i.e. my body is used to burning fat rather than carbs), even if I do fall off the wagon occasionally, it doesn't seem to impact on my weight. Well, that's if the lapses are occasional and not sustained, like over Christmas blush!

Ruprekt Sat 11-May-13 13:51:11

I agree BIWI.....this is the way I will eat forever!

I am so less obsessed with my weight now than I have ever been. My weightloss has stalled but I am not too worried as I know what to do to kickstart it again. Eating out has not been a problem as many restaurants will change potatoes for spinach or salad...........I had given up alcohol any way so am not bothered about wine.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 13:58:20


1-2lbs a week is good, long-term, sustainable weight loss. Therefore:

10 weeks x 1lb a week = 10lbs loss
10 weeks x 2lbs a week = 22lbs loss

This is really what you should be expecting for/hoping for. Two stones is probably a lot to ask for. And looking at the spreadsheet, I see that you actually gained a pound in the first week of Bootcamp - so expecting to lose 28lbs is probably too ambitious.

Can I ask - are you following Bootcamp rules to the letter?

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Sat 11-May-13 14:00:02

Morning all, hope everyone is well, just checking in but I see biwi is on top of everything, waving the stick, writing in bold and repeating the rules so I think I'll go hide grin

I did a 10k walk last night for cancer research uk so treated myself to 3 eggs instead of 2 this morning, rock n roll baby!

No change on scales so far this week but my tummy is definitely de-bloating again yippee. Gless is right, measure as well as weigh or even just try on fav jeans/look in mirror, this woe changes your shape as well as weight.

DH looked at all my lovely Lidl goodies in the fridge this morning and said "uh oh are you putting us back on that low carb plan thingy again?" I replied sweetly "we've been back on it for 2 weeks already dear," mwah ha ha wink

newlark Sat 11-May-13 14:05:44

Just had a lovely lunch - mushroom, broccoli and feta frittata with green salad, avocado and coleslaw - yum smile

I started at 12 st 7 which is my heaviest ever (apart from when pregnant when I went up to 14 something!). When I left Uni I was about 9 st 7 and a size 10-12 (I'm 5'8''). I don't think that is realistic now but I would love to be 10 st 7 which would give me a BMI of about 22.3 and get me into a size 12 so that is what I'm aiming for.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 14:08:27

grin Toomuch!

toomuchtoask Sat 11-May-13 14:17:12

''This is really what you should be expecting for/hoping for. Two stones is probably a lot to ask for. And looking at the spreadsheet, I see that you actually gained a pound in the first week of Bootcamp - so expecting to lose 28lbs is probably too ambitious.

Can I ask - are you following Bootcamp rules to the letter?''

BIWI I am 5 stone overweight so I guess I might average slightly more than 1-2 a week. I lost the plot by the end of the first week (hence the 1lb gain). I am doing it properly now. If I don't lose the 2 stone it's not the end of the world but I have a wedding to attend in early August and I'd love to be 2 stone lighter.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 14:19:51

You should certainly be able to lose reasonably quickly, but don't count on it happening.

Weeks 3, 4 and sometimes 5 are notorious for slow weight loss, and sometimes no loss at all, so you should be prepared for that. And also be prepared for the fact that weight loss isn't linear - there will be some weeks when nothing happens or even a gain in weight.

I don't want to be the voice of doom though grin

If you stick with it, you will see significant weight loss by early August.

toomuchtoask Sat 11-May-13 14:24:13

Thanks BIWI. It's good to be prepared and know which weeks might be a bit slower than others. Is there a reason why weeks 3-5 are slower usually?

Yama Sat 11-May-13 14:24:26

Quick tip for everyone:

Two Aldi German sausages and two eggs is too much fr breakfast.

I am still full up and can't face lunch.

middleagedspread Sat 11-May-13 14:25:34

I'm not standing on the scales until monday (after my obsession with them last week)but my jeans are definitely loser.
The best thing for me is that I'm not hungry on the WOE so don't succumb to binging on biscuits at 4pm.
Just had a fillet of smoked salmon, avocado, boiled egg & green leaves with lots of mayo.
Spicy pork burgers (from the recipe thread) with a greek salad tonight.

NewStartNewStory Sat 11-May-13 14:28:43

I must admit as much as I am enjoying everything atm, I can't wait to jump back on track. There is only so much birthday food one person can eat before they start to feel ill. Big salad for lunch tomo I think!

Taking inspiration and trying to stick to some key points Water and 3 meals. Because even if I do bootcamp if i dont stick to the letter on those I don't shifty weight. Right now I will settle for a corner to sleep in. Too much partying for someone so old. blush

halfthesize Sat 11-May-13 14:28:54

Afternoon all, been to ds1 footie match and just had lovely homemade burgers for lunch smile

Not sure what to do for dinner tonight and out for lunch tomorrow, which will prob be steak and veg.

kiwigirl42 Sat 11-May-13 14:29:47

thank you for all your input BIWI much appreciated

I had a nespresso with full fat milk very early this morning (didn't sleep last night) and went back to bed. have just had a NZ lamb steak (3 for £4 in Tescos) smeared with harissa, fried in coconut oil on a bed of buttered spinach.

found it really hard to get motivated to cook this as I'm really not hungry. Have got over the first week feeling grotty though thank goodness!

halfthesize Sat 11-May-13 14:30:18

Sounds like the partying was fun NewStart wink

I need to drink more water, been slack today hmm

halfthesize Sat 11-May-13 14:31:14

Glad you are feeling better kiwi

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 14:32:01

toomuch - often it's to do with the contrast with weeks 1 & 2, where some significant losses can be seen. If you're low carbing, not only do you lose a lot of water weight but you also empty your glycogen stores, which can account for anything up to 7lbs, I believe.

So by comparison, following weeks can be disappointing!

It's probably also to do with the body adjusting to burning fat rather than carbs.

Not sure what the proper explanation is, but I've seen it reported so often that it's always worth warning people about it.

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 14:35:10

An interesting piece about the first month on a low carb diet

Although it doesn't talk about weeks 3/4/5 ...

NewStartNewStory Sat 11-May-13 14:37:43

Oh it is half but I still have today and tomo to go before it is all over. I am tired. Can't keep up with all this craziness. Sleep is very much needed yes I actually discovered that in my absence grin

toomuchtoask Sat 11-May-13 14:42:02

Thank you BIWI.

halfthesize Sat 11-May-13 14:42:54

Newstart Ive been a little absent recently, is it your birthday celebrations and wow a whole weekend thats hard core smile

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 14:43:15

And an interesting piece about how to break a stall

NB We're talking about a real stall here - an extended period of time without weight loss, not just a couple of days!

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 14:47:46

Found this on lowcarbfriends:

"From tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the lowcarb lifestyle (hehe...resistance is futile!) a pattern emerges....

the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every
single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported.

This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that
the rate drops to only 1 pound per week. (if that).

Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a
weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human
body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid
release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.

A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its
survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous
status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this.
OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the
first 2 weeks.

Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa!
Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound
each! So... what gives?

Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores
that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for
about 3-5 pounds of water.

In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not
being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in
all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10
initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water...

The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking:
Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the
status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin
antidiuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss

Fat loss is still occuring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because
ketosis is firmly established and appetite supression is in
effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss.

The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a good thing.

From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging.
Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated
frequently to oneself ) is helpful.

Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body
retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we
aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial
water-loss phase of the Atkins diet.

By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale
will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is

Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per
week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight.(whichever is the lower number)

Take-home message: Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be
occuring. Don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress
Hope this can shed some light for you as well!"

halfthesize Sat 11-May-13 14:51:31

Thats a fab piece BIWI

middleagedspread Sat 11-May-13 14:51:55

That is an excellent warning for next week. It's good to be prepared, thank you.

BIWI - you put so much effort into all this. Thanks so much. You are a star.

That piece is very interesting. Albeit a bit scary!

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 15:20:01

My pleasure smile

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 11-May-13 16:21:15

can anyone quickly tell me what I need on Ocado shop? the vanilla powder/paste? which one and what else?

the vanilla powder is this one by ndali - it's a teeny tiny little pot

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 11-May-13 16:57:11

I looked for it, but they dont have it on Ocado and I am not going out near Waitrose, though if I do I will pick up a pot.

Thanks Willie. I realised we are doing BC Lite from next week so wanted to make sure I had plenty of veggies and salad bits in - and to get some belly pork to roast. Cant get pork scratchings round here for love nor money! DH got the last two packets in our local garage the other night - Im rationing myself. grin

Tesco have stopped stocking them, M&S do a vile version with lots of added carbs! and OCado dont seem to be stocking them either...

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 16:58:27

You could always make your own, Jax!

Makingmama Sat 11-May-13 17:00:56

Thank you for that confirmation on timescale for bootcamp BIWI and as soon as I'd asked about diet coke I realised the no sweeteners!! Oh dear...I think that will be the hardest thing - no coffee as I need sugar! I AM GOING TO DO THIS THOUGH!±!!!! I have too!!

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 17:03:01

Just remember - you don't need sugar! That is the carb addiction speaking.

TreeLuLa Sat 11-May-13 17:12:54

Well I am back to report that I went to a child's birthday party this afternoon and managed to resist every one of a table heaving with delicious carbs - from hula hoops to chocolate brownies. I am staying strong because last time I reached this weight I fell completely off the wagon and it has taken me 2 months to get back here!

Thanks BIWI for the articles - I don't know why, but I felt somehow that I should be losing 4-5 lbs every week - if a 1-2 lb loss is normal, then no wonder my weight loss has slowed down so much from the first few weeks.

Also, it is good to hear that it took a year to lose 2 stones. I have another 4 to lose, but will be chuffed if I manage to lose 1-3 more this year - I swore to myself that I would end this year lighter than I started it.

Going the right way so far! It's my birthday at the end of the month - I want to get down to the next stone by then - 4 lbs to lose so I think it is realistic! grin

bravo treelula on resisting temptation!

TreeLuLa Sat 11-May-13 17:36:06


Thank you!

One day, I may be able to eat one slice of cake, but today is not that day!

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 17:37:54

TreeLuLa - as someone once posted, this is a marathon not a sprint!

Very well done for resisting all those goodies nasty carbs.

TreeLuLa Sat 11-May-13 17:41:21

Was it wrong that I kept thinking of the phrase 'sugary twats'

seems a bit unfair to label four-year olds thus!


Right. This may well be TMI but I am def constipated. Have just 'been' but could have done with an epidural and forceps!

Am drinking lots of water and eating lots of veg and salad. I had flaxseed this morning. I know magnesium is supposed to help so will pop some of that. I also have an aloe Vera colon cleanse supplement that I will start taking tonight.

Any other tips?

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 17:46:56

More fat!

Strong coffee
High strength Vitamin C

And a surefire bet is Thornton's Sugar-free toffee! Just don't eat the whole packet like I did once. I strained a muscle with the explosive diarrhoea that it led to ... grin

if you want a big fat boost, you can make a 'fat bomb' - there are various recipes to be found online, but i make one that doesn't contain sweetener - it's about 90% fat. it's not bootcamp friendly as it contains almond butter, and the texture might not be for everyone, but i like it:

2 tsp butter
2 tsp coconut oil
2 tsp almond butter

melt together in a saucepan over a very very low heat, stirring well, this only takes a minute or two. pour into a small container (i use silicone bun cases - the quantities above will fill one and will be one portion) and put in the freezer for an hour or so to firm up. i store them in the freezer and eat them without defrosting

i only recently bought coconut oil as a vegan cafe has opened at the bottom of my road and i happened to find it in there (along with shirataki noodles which i haven't tried yet), and i'm not that keen on cooking with it, but i love it raw straight out of the jar and in a fat bomb

grin. I will bear that in mind BIWI.

I can't do coffee without sugar. Will try a strong tea.

Dinner is roast lamb, mashed swede and leeks and asparagus in butter.

you could do a strong 'shot', maybe, in a medicinal way? wink

I'll pop some butter and see if that and my other strategies will help. If not I will fat bomb tomorrow. And there is a phrase I never thought I would type! grin

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 18:20:53


kiwigirl42 Sat 11-May-13 18:30:33

magnesium will definitely work for constipation.

sammisatt Sat 11-May-13 18:33:43

Some very inspiring posts today on this woe. Just to add my tuppence worth I also echo what everybody else says. It is such a lovely feeling to know I will eat like this forever. I can say that categorically. It just suits me. I eat delicious food, I no longer overeat or obsess about food and I love how I can blame the carbs for my dysfunctional attitude to food. It was their fault I got fat!wink

I started this woe at 11stone five having lost 2 stone the previous year after having twins. I've lost about 10 pounds on this since October. Not masses but I just look and feel leaner and have lost loads off my belly.

I am just under 10.7 and am 5 foot 6 and I echo what was said below about this woe getting you to the right size for your build. My weight is pretty heavy but I'm smaller. (Size 10-12) Also I Do quite a bit of weight training. It's not all about the number on the scale. Although I would love to be just under ten again, I'm also pretty happy at this weight.


B: bacon, egg, avocado
S: Greek yog, hazelnuts, 4 strawbs: This was followed by a v intense circuit training sesh so I wanted sthing a bit carby although like Biwi said, I love how strawberries, nuts and yoghurt are the new naughty.
L: lamb steak, green salad, tzaziki
D: roAst chicken and roast broccoli

Have a good weekend everyone.

Chipsbigbowl Sat 11-May-13 18:37:00

Off to the cinema this evening - is there anything I can eat!?

Hi sammisatt! I reckon a lot of my weight came from Paris Deli tuna mayo rolls, Sama chicken mayo rolls and Java smoked salmon and cream cheese bagels. Not to mention the masses of alcohol consumed in HCMC! smile

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 11-May-13 18:42:49

make my own? vanilla powder? how, why, when, and again how?! grin

BlackAffronted Sat 11-May-13 18:45:28

Cider, I suffer with it badly on this WOE, and nothing seems to help me sad I eat loads of all the stuff we are meant to, I take magnesium, psyllium husks, drink 4 litres of water a day and still passs poo the size of tennis balls.

BlackAffronted Sat 11-May-13 18:45:56

Jax, I think she meant pork crackling smile

sammisatt Sat 11-May-13 18:59:56

Chao ba cider!! Shall we hijack this thread as well and make it all about us in Saigon? Here goes: fried egg baguettes, brunches at diamond plaza, bia hoi, cocktails, sitting on my arse by the swimming pool. That's actually how I got far. It was Vietnam not my twins.

(Sorry. That was for cider)

BIWI Sat 11-May-13 19:09:54

I did indeed, Jax! grin

i'm having this for supper but without the potato gratin and without the peas, obviously

it's a nice recipe, but looking at the picture what sort of loon serves peas on a wooden board?? they would be all over the kitchen..

Chipsbigbowl Sat 11-May-13 19:55:59

BIWI, what's the more reasonable choice: prosecco, red wine or diet coke? Please - I'm desperate for a treat ?!

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 11-May-13 20:22:11

oh, yes I will make my own crackling. grin

halfthesize Sat 11-May-13 20:43:38

chips Prosecco would be my choice and is what I am indulging in tonight along with a little redblush

GetOrfMoiLand Sat 11-May-13 20:45:14

Looking naked in a mirror (eek) - I look very skinny at the top, but hockey player legs. Doesn't matter if I am very toned or flabby, I have hefty legs.

Perhaps 10 stone dead is probably my true weight. I don't think I have weighed any less, mind ou as a teenager I never weighed myself anyway. I am tall so maybe 9 and a half stone is a bit ambitious. All I see though are my saddlebags and cellulite on my legs and stomach. I don't think I look that great unclothed. The opposite in fact.

Anyway I did today what I never do and weighed myself in the evening - 10 stone 2! So have last some.

I agree with what biwi says in that look at the weight loss as a long game. In January 2012 I was 12 stone 3, and in December 2012 I got to my target of 9 stone 13. So it took nearly a year to lose just over 2 stone, and that was with periods of illness, eating like a wally and drinking. Ad even though I have eaten wildly since (a holiday made up of cocktails, Danish pastries and bread, and Christmas where I ate my bodyweight in stollen, crisp and root vegetables) I haven't put a great deal on, half a stone or so. I think what this WOE teaches you that carbs are a real treat. I used to eat pasta pretty much every day, and bread. Ad porridge with syrup a lot, and crisps. You learn that these things are not verboten, just not to be eaten every single day. And if you splurge on a load of carbs, yo adjust your eating accordingly for a few days. This diet can be very frustrating to lose weight, what with the stalls and where you feel it doesn't work for a few weeks, but it is very easy to maintain your weight if ou always bear in mind the basic principles. And somehow it flicked a switch n my brain. I would never eat a bowl of cereal now as I think it is just nutritionally empty.

GetOrfMoiLand Sat 11-May-13 20:46:59

And I cannot imagine eating pasta every day now. I et it very rarely, and only a bit, as the texture seems strange somehow.

middleagedspread Sat 11-May-13 20:54:21

I can so imagine eating pasta envy but I won't.

decaffwithcream Sat 11-May-13 21:08:48

That's very reassuring to hear detailed info about the maintenance phase, thanks.

The thought of being able to have carbs, but as a "treat" type monitored food is less intimidating than the fear I had of having to maintain all the changes religiously or gain weight.

changeforthebetter Sat 11-May-13 21:51:42

I have a box of croissants in the car shock they were left over from work. I am saving them for the DCs. I'm not tempted.

I am a bit confused about cheese - hard good, but mascarpone not??

I have def snacked on too many nuts too smile

So today I had
B- 2 fried eggs with mushrooms and cheddar
L- chickpeas with tomato and egg, and some cheese (chick peas aren't low carb but I need protein that isn't just egg!)
D - salad with poached mushrooms and more cheese, Greek yoghurt

Am I on the right lines? I can't be über strict, but I feel like I've eaten loads of cheese and eggs! I love cheese and eggs but is is sustainable?

NewStartNewStory Sun 12-May-13 03:41:53

Guilty as charge half except celebrations seem to have been spread over nearly a week blushgrin

Monday weigh in will be depressing. But it is a starting weight really so onwards and downwards from that point.

NewStartNewStory Sun 12-May-13 03:44:58

And clearly I am not long in and really should be finding sleep rather then on the internet. blush

Bessie123 Sun 12-May-13 04:56:58

Phew. I can't sleep so have been catching up on the thread. It's taken me a few hours, I keep getting distracted.

Happy Birthday newstart smile

BlackAffronted Sun 12-May-13 07:43:18

Morning Losers! Today is fried breakfast & roast dinner day, yum yum yum!

Does anyone grow there own herbs or vegetables? My herbgarden is doing pretty well, I love spring when they all start to flourish again. Also, being able to grab a handfull of parsley or rosemary etc whilst cooking is great. I am trying to grow some courgettes, purple carrots, sprouts, chard, cabbage & lettuce too, but not sure if these will be successful sad

middleagedspread Sun 12-May-13 08:03:20

BA your smokey pork burgers were delicious, they seemed a bit crumbly so i baked them in the oven. Had them with coleslaw & greek salad.

QueenofDreams Sun 12-May-13 09:06:38

Ah hi all. I managed to be good yesterday despite the bounty in carby junk spread out before me. ILs came for food and football, and DP couldn't be bothered with lots of effort. Thankfully I resisted the potato skins, breaded mushrooms, breaded goujons, pizza, crisps, sweets and pretzels. I just had prawn and avocado salad, roasted chicken thighs and green salad. Drank plenty of water too.

BIWI Sun 12-May-13 09:19:17

changeforthebetter - marscapone has 4.9g carbs per 100g, so you have to count that. Cathedral City cheddar (for example) is 0.1g carbs per 100g. So yes - hard cheese is ok, soft cheese you have to be careful about! But why the nuts? Nuts are not allowed on Bootcamp!

chipsbigbowl (perhaps not the best name for this thread grin) -sorry I missed your post last night. Either the Prosecco or the red wine would have been my choice. No diet drinks on Bootcamp!

Ehric - I assume you're vegetarian?! If you are, then eat more nuts as a protein source. Chick peas aren't great, although I can understand that you wouldn't want eggs at every meal. I'm not a veggie, so would have to ask others here who are to advise you. My key thing would be to make sure that you don't get bored by eating the same thing. I can recommend Rose Elliot's book "The Vegetarian Low-Carb Diet Cookbook"

Chipsbigbowl Sun 12-May-13 09:23:57

Thanks BIWI - I opted for a glass of red - small and 1/2 a very small bar of 80% dark Prestat chocolate. Was lovely. And thankfully seems not to have made too much of a dent as am half a pound down on yesterday (this is week 4 for me, so the alcohol permissible!)

BIWI Sun 12-May-13 09:31:02

Ah. OK. grin

TreeLuLa Sun 12-May-13 09:31:25

I have done day 2 of Shred (and Boy am I feeling it!), but have put ON a lb despite being as good as gold? confused

Is it likely to be water weight because of the exercise?

Chipsbigbowl Sun 12-May-13 09:37:17

(in fact, was experiencing a bit of a stall - well a few days with no movement - and the wine and choc seems to have got thins going again. Maybe a lesson. Hahaha)

dawnpreview Sun 12-May-13 09:39:25

Went to hen party yesterday, but didn't do too badly in the end.
I did have a pasta dish, but it was a small portion. Had a really sore throat so didn't eat my desert! Only had 2 glasses of White wine and came home early as I felt so rough (and I'm old and can't do clubbing til 2am any more!!)
During the day I also took part in a 2 hour Bollywood dance lesson, which was very energetic, and walked about 3 miles. So hopefully all that exercise has helped- my feet are killing me today!
Will be interested to see what the scales say tomorrow.

BIWI Sun 12-May-13 09:47:48

TreeLuLa - are you weighing daily? If so, don't worry about it. Your body weight naturally fluctuates on a daily basis.

Only comment I will make is that when people tell me they are being good/following the rules properly it usually signals that they aren't ... wink

TreeLuLa Sun 12-May-13 09:50:11

You said that last time BIWI!!!!

Last time you were right, but this time you truly can't fault me - I promise!

No booze, following the rules to the letter - loads of water. Been going down and down until I started the Shred.

Yes, I am a daily weigher. Scales have showed a drop every day until yesterday, when they stayed the same, and today I had put on a lb!!

rubyrubyruby Sun 12-May-13 09:54:27

TreeLula - I have noticed when I have my occasional flirt with the Shred that I do seem to gain a little. I think it's the muscle increase.

rubyrubyruby Sun 12-May-13 09:56:25

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to resist not weighing myself for 2 weeks! But I know it's the best way for me.