Should I consider lighter life?(61 Posts)
I am several stone overweight and a size 20. Have been for years. I've messed around with a million diets, losing 1-2 stone then getting demotivated cos it takes so bloody long.
My main worry is maintaining it after. Anyone got any thoughts? Aibu to think this could be a solution?
Is that the one where they deliver meals to you?
Two people I know have just finished 3 weeks of this and have said they wouldn't recommend it. They were miserable as sin and one of them got upset when her partner ate something in front of her.
Cambridge diet is nicer and I have maintained 4 of my 5 stone loss.
It does take serious willpower though!
I'm thinking YANBU to consider it as long as your considered opinion is that you don't go near it with a barge pole
I know 3 people that did it who all lost weight very quickly but they got angry, depressed, spotty & smelly -mmmm ketone breath!
and then as quickly as they lost it, they put it all back on again
there are better if slower ways
No they don't deliver. Although they should on a gold plate for the bloody price they charge.
It's the seeing results quickly that appeals to me.
Is there any counselling/weigh in with the Cambridge? I need that bit I think.
My friends did it. They had faster results than I did but said the counselling sessions really helped. They maintained by changing to slimming world with me when they were allowed to go back to eating properly to learn how to eat sensibly again. They've kept their weight off while mine went back on after 4 years.
My cousin has just done it and lost a lot of weight very quickly.
However, I'm low carbing and losing 1kg/2lb a week, which doesn't sound like much when you have a bit to lose (like you, I have a bit to lose!!) but I'm hoping that by doing it this way I wont end up with 'baggy' skin and that I'll find it easier to maintain at the end of it.
I also like 'real' food rather than meal replacements.
Briffa is my main 'guru' and BIWI & the Bootcamp threads are brilliant Let me know if you want more info or links.
Good luck whatever you do!
Do you need to do the full or the Lite?
I did Lite, lost 2 stone and (with the help of Weight Watchers) it's pretty much stayed off.
I couldn't have done full - not being able to eat a proper meal for a while wouldn't have suited me.
I've known some it's worked for and some it's not. Depends on how determined you are.
have you tried weight watchers, I've lost 3st with them(another 3 to go) and the meeting and support were really helpful to me.
The leaders are on commission, so the more you lose the more they are paid. Nothing motivates like money, so the leaders want you to lose and will trip over themselves to support you.
Would you really see the results quicker than a normal diet though?
BIWI & the Bootcamp threads are counselling in themselves Really, very supportive and low carbing means you really don't need a lot of willpower and you definitely DO NOT need to be hungry to lose weight. I'm doing it as a vegetarian who doesn't eat eggs ... so if I can, you can
I've lost 24lbs in 13 weeks and although I'd love it all to be gone, like magic, overnight - I can live with that rate as hopefully it will be easier to maintain (when I get there) and as I said, hopefully I wont have 'baggy' skin.
Also, I'd say that aiming to lose small amounts weekly will be much more beneficial and easier to maintain than a large amount quickly.
Good luck op and well done for taking the first step
Yaimee I don't think it is quite true that the more you lose the more they are paid - they get money because the products are very, very expensive (£70 p/w.) You also have to pay a £15 joining fee and get a doctor's note which most doctor's charge you £25 for so you're looking at over £100 just to get started. I'd suggest Cambridge or Exante as cheaper alternatives, I really would. The counselling in LL isn't very good I don't think!
I meant at weaight watcher, not lighter life, I'm pretty sure the leaders at ww are paid on results.
It depends on your advisor with Cambridge as to how much support you get but for me the memory of how horrible those 3 month were was enough to keep me sensible!
I've done Slim and Save, which is a much cheaper version of a VLCD- similar prices to Exante. I lost 4.5 stone last year on it- great! But I put a lot of it back on with terrible eating after. I know where I went wrong, I'm just starting it again and this time hopefully will have better self control. All the gain was down to me, not the diet.
Although you don't get counseling or anything on S&S I found the company great to deal with, you have a question and they'll get back to right away, plus they have a support part for re-feeding after which I wish I'd done.
You do see results much, much quicker on a VLCD than a regular diet, n average you can lose a stone a month. The first week is a bigger loss, usually around 7lb, but that's your water weight. I found it easyish going after the first few days. I've never had bad ketone breath or got spotty. In fact my skin and hair was much clearer!
You do have to be really strict on a VLCD or it doesn't work. No food unless it's allowed- that's why I liked S&S, you could have 4 packs a day (shakes, soups, meals, bars) or 3 plus 100g chicken/tuna. Plus some veg from a list. I sound like a blinking advert, but it worked for me. And hopefully will again!
Two of my friends did lighter life. One went from a size 22 to size 16 and then up to a 24 very quickly. The other went from a 16 to 8 and is now a 16 again.
What's the hurry to lose weight OP? In 2011 I low carbed and lost a third of my body weight and have kept it of. I lost between 1 and 2 and
a half pounds each week and it took just under 8 months to go from 13 and a half stone to 9 stone.
I tried Cambridge when I needed to lose weight quickly for a holiday. it was hard going but it did work. It was expensive too. I'm not much good at sticking to diets but it certainly curbed my appetite. For a good while anyway. I couldn't stick to weightwatchers though.
Agree with Fluffy I have watched a dear friend follow Lighter Life and go from 22 stone to 13 stone then up to 24 stone and back down in the course of two years.
She is back up to around 20 stone again now.
What must it be doing to her heart? She doesn't give herself proper time to get out of the starvation cycle of it and her willpower gives way.
She is miserable on it and even more down when the weight goes on. It's such a fast transition that she has two wardrobes, thin and obese. The temptation to go back on it is there because the results are instant, but she can't keep it off. Her skin is stretched and when she is thin she has a turkey wattle under her chin, her arms just look awful so even thin she can't bare skin due to the dramatic weight loss.
The 5/2 method might be be safer, or the Lite version where you at least have a meal of some kind. Slow weigh loss is safer and even that can give fast results at the start?
YANBU at all.
It's interesting how people blame specific diets for the weight regain (which is common after most weightl loss diets - irrespective of rate) rather than the fact that they begin to eat, the way they used to, ergo, they will become the size they used to.
There is no evidence that losing weight quickly is of any detriment to health, compared with losing it more slowly and there has recently been worked published in NEJM (a major review of weight loss myths which addresses this one) as well as lots of other academic work which shows that VLCDs work well, help retain muscle and are one of the best ways to help reduce T2DM - which is common in very obese people.
As a weight loss method, it is gaining traction amongst medics and NICE alike so OP, don't not do it based on purported health reasons (ketone breath aside, which stinks but isn't bad for you). i can totally understand the issues with cost though... it's a litttle dear, although you do get the 'counselling' aspect of things, which again, is considered to be one of the most important ways of addressing obesity.
p.s. they have a new management programme coming out and no, I don't work for Lighterlife
Why are you fat in the first place? the same reason I am. calories in are greater than calories out. why? because we eat more than we need and more than we burn off. there is only one way to lose weight and keep it off. reduce calories in to be less than or the same as calories out. Not just for 2 weeks or 2 months or 2 years on a faddy diet but for ever. Its about permanently changing what you eat. if you faddy diet you will lose it. you will "come off the diet" eat as you did before and it will sooner or later go back on. yes it is depressing and disheartening and it takes ages to completely change what and how you eat but there it is. the longer you procrastinate about it, the more faddy diets you go on, come off again, put weight on again the longer it will take. There is no quick fix pill or wonder diet because if there was all the fat people like me would be on it. I have lost 4+ stone in almost a year. I need to lose another 1.5 or 2 to get to a good weight for me. I don't see it as a diet, I have to see it as a way of life. stop looking for the quick fix Op because there isn't one. all you can do is knuckle down to it and aim for a pound off every week/2 weeks and then just keep on doing this for ever. (I am on SW but only because its the right one for me. Its just teaching me to eat less of the wrong things and more of the right things)
I'm guessing the op knows the theory behind the biology of weight loss however the fact that she mentions the counselling would suggest she is an emotional eater
Telling an emotional eater not to over eat is the same a telling an alcoholic not to drink
Eating can be linked to so many emotions it is difficult to pin down the reasons and for many of us, until we understand those links as to why we over eat then no 'diet' or 'change' however you want to phrase it, will be successful
I know someone who was 30 stone and lost 20 stone on lighter life. 5 years on and she is back to 30 stone [sad
A friend did it, lost 4 stone in 4 months, but put all of it back on v quickly afterwards.
I did Slimming World, lost nearly 5 stone in 10 months. In the first month I lost over a stone, it slowed down after that but still came off quickly. I think it's a better route to go down tbh.
I know 2 people that did LL and one that did Cambridge - all for months on end.
Yes, they all lost weight, but my God - how dull their lives were during that time.
They have all 3 put the weight back on in spades since and all 3 are bigger than they were before.
I think these diets don't help in any way to address to root of the problem, and I believe there's a link to gallstones with rapid weight loss diets.
I have another friend who lost 4st last year with WW. She has kept it off and I think she'll continue to do so.
I would say if you do not have the willpower to stick to a 'normal' diet, then you have no chance with LL.
Don't do it! I lost 3 stone effectively through starvation on LL and have put nearly all of it back on and had heart palpitations from the milkshakes.
OP I'm doing LL (week 11/12). I have a significant amount of weight to loose - 6st in total to take me to the middle of the healthy BMI range. I have lost 39lbs so far.
I find the weekly sessions very helpful, much more than I thought I would. I will also do the 'maintainence' afterwards. That is gradual reintroduction of food after reaching desired weight/size and continued counselling, which is free.
The first week was hard. I felt tired, headaches and I didn't want to be around others eating. However, it does pass and yes, the food packs are a tad monotonous, however I feel 'in control' and the weight loss has been very motivating, especially when I've really wanted 'that slice of cake'.
I think when you have a large amount of weight to loose it's daunting. People who say 'just cut down/do some exercise' are well meaning but don't tend to be the ones who need to loose significant amounts. I ate when I was happy/sad/bored/alone/in company... This is why I do the counselling sessions - I will make better choices about my eating after LL.
Different people respond to different methods. Give it a month. Oh, and I do still go out for lunch with friends. I have black coffees/mint tea/water. I like to meet up for a chat. I just remind myself it's not forever and my heart/pancreas will thank me for this.
I did LL a few years ago, lost 4.5 stone and felt great. Got pregnant the following year and have put it all back on
You need serious will power to keep the weight off long term. I think there are cheaper options out there tbh. I didn't find the counselling bit particularly helpful either. Maybe that's just me tho. Good luck with whatever you decide OP
the actress who advertised it put a lot of her weight back on so I am not sure it is a great advert for it, what about weight watchers I dont think that is so expensive,
I know three people who did LL, all of them had put the weight back on within a year.
I lost weight by keeping a horribly honest food diary so I could see where I was going wrong. I would put a target at the start of the week (eg lose 2lb) then record everything that went in my mouth. It helped me to see where I needed to cut down and made me consider whether I needed a second slice of toast or a piece of cheese. I also weighed food - bit obsessive I know but portion size is important. I lost four stone, then got pregnant with DS2. I was 11b heavier after DS2 was born than I had been before, got that weight off using the same method. You need to find a method that is sustainable, whether it's weight watchers or slimming world or whatever. LL seems to provide a short term fix but doesn't change behaviour in the long term.
I've never done any LL type diet but I have done WW more than once, lost and regained the weight each time. The poster that said this pattern holds for most diets is completely right. The only way to lose weight and keep it off is to resolve to change your eating forever, and that means finding a way of eating you can live with, that includes enough pleasure in food that you're not always miserable, and that takes into account the fact that emotional eating exists.
I tried so so hard to lose weight with no success until I started low GI-ing. I did it in a moderate way, with the odd treat, and lost a stone over about three months with no sense of being on a diet. Then I got pregnant and ending up with gestational diabetes, and a far stricter low GI diet. I will give birth about 2 stone lighter than I was a year ago, before I began the low GI. During this period I've been under massive stress, of the sort I would have eaten through in the past, and I wasn't able to do that this time. Instead I walked and had baths and read and talked to people.
Once the baby is born, I am going to carry on. I do NOT want type II diabetes but that is exactly where I am heading. If I lose weight, I can maybe change that. I am now used to a very low sugar and fairly low carb diet, with plenty of exercise, and hope to lose three more stone in however long it takes. But it doesn't feel like a 'diet'. It is now my way of life. Before this happened I was contemplating something like LL but now I feel I can do this myself.
OP, I've lost lots of weight, lots of times, on lots of different diets.
Some quick, some slow. Cambridge ... Atkins ... calorie counting ... fat counting ... just not eating ... it all works f you stick to it.
They all worked at the time because the food i was allowed on them at the time appealed to me/worked for me at that time and so i could stick to it. Each time i lost weight i vowed to myself i wouldn't let it slide back on.
I'm talking a couple of stone. When i'm 'slimmer' i'm a 10/12 when i'm 'bigger' i'm 14/16.
OP - i would seriously advise just cutting back on meal sizes. Eat the food you enjoy, but less of it. Eat freely the food which you know is healthy. The minute you put yourself on a regime you're doomed yourself to failiour IME.
It's taken me years of yo yo dieting to arrive at the knowledge that diets DO work. But only while you're on them.
DH has lost over 8st on the Dukan diet - he's viewing this as a diet for life and is enjoying eating his (real) food. I'm doing 5:2 and similarly viewing it as a diet for life that I can maintain.
Big congrats to your DH mistlethrush.
I couldnt do it, though I have considered it in the past in desperate moments. Instead, I joined the Bootcamp threads on here and have now lost 2 stone while eating yummy food. I am an emtional eating, I love food and I can see myself eating this way forever (especially after reading the scinece behind low carb).
Interesting reading this. I'm doing WW and did really well last year and lost 33 pounds between Jan and June. Since then I have been gaining and losing the same 5 pounds or so. Really frustrating and all my own fault. Very tempted to try one of the VLCD now. We go on holiday beg of July and I was thinking of doing a VLCD for may and June.
DH needs to lose weight too and he likes low carb - maybe that would be better.
I am pretty fed up with myself. If I had stuck to WW properly I would be at goal now. Why oh why can I not stick to it? I was doing so well and I was really happy. I keep promising myself to get back to basics with WW and tend to be ok during the week but the weekend comes and out comes the wine and out goes the willpower.
Am also tempted to try hypnosis to try and help.
'It's taken me years of yo yo dieting to arrive at the knowledge that diets DO work. But only while you're on them.'
what a glaringly sensible comment.
all those who say 'I lost xx on the babble-babble regime, it worked really well but I put the weight on again' - well, it didn't work, did it?
nobody sells diets or runs support groups for their health, or yours. They do it for MONEY. Nothing wrong with that but you don't have to pay to lose weight.
I did LL about 7 years ago and went from 16 stone to 10 and a half in just under 5 months. My hair and skin were fantastic, I think because of all the water you have to drink and I felt incredible. I am an intelligient woman and a HCP so i am well aware if the calories in/calories out thing but the counselling helped me to recignise that i am definitely an emotional eater and the reasons for it. The first copper of weeks I felt so hungry I could've chewed my own arm off but after that it was fine, in fact I felt a bit euphoric sometimes and was so proud of myself for having taken control of myself.
BUT I thought I was clever and to save money I left as soon as I got to goal as I didn't feel I needed the management phase where they help you to start eating again. BIG mistake, I put most of the weight back on over the next 3-4 years and am still 15 stone now
I like the idea of a quick fix too, surely we all would, if it worked long term. However I know it's all in my head, I over eat, I'm greedy, it is down to me to stop. I know what to do, how to eat healthily.
Sadly it's just easier said than done.
Need my jaws wiring....for ever
I'd advise you to try 5:2 or 4:3 instead. You only fast 2/3 days a week so it is sustainable, you can eat a normal meal in fast days and it has genuine health benefits.
We're going to move this to our weight loss topic in a mo, as we think it's the best place for it.
My stepdad has been on it twice and is 2 stone heavier than he was to begin with he's also aged 10 years from doing them and is contemplating getting a neck lift from the damage caused by losing weight too quickly.
If you could afford ll would you be able to see a private dietician my dgf saw one who did all meal plans where he could eat and exercise plans he lost 6 stone and kept it off untill he became less active due to age
I really hate all the scaremongering with these types of diets. Whatever weight loss system you choose OF COURSE you will put on weight if you go back to how you were eating before - there is nothing scientific about these types of weight loss programmes that makes people put the weight on quicker once they finish the diet it is pure and simple - people go back to their old eating habits which made them fat in the first place.
I know loads of people who put on weight after weight watchers, slimming world, their own diet system and that's the reason so many of these companies are still in business because people have to go back to them time and time again because they never truly address their bad eating habits once they have finished dieting.
If you are going to do it good luck - you will lose weight a lot quicker than if you followed another plan, however you MUST follow a maintenance plan once you have finished. You can do this yourself by working out your BMR at your goal weight and ensuring you eat within that FOREVER.
I'm trying Alimming World at the moment. I tend to yo yo between 9 and just under 13 stone, and have been up and back down 3 times in the last 10 years. Sometimes I stay at 9 ish for a year or so buteventually it all goes back on. OP, being realistic a quick weight loss option won't work for you, you have a track record of giving up. With SW or WW even if you lost a pound a week you would be over 4 stone lighter this time next year and with good prospect of staying that way.
As i am also very concerned abou tmaintenance I've joined a group in a village near where I live. The SW members there include a lot who are at target and still go every week, they seem a friendly lot.
My thoughts this time round are that I'll stick to the diet ( which is quite easy) lose 1 or 2 lb a week until I'm just under 9 stone and then go every week for weigh in and lecture in the hope that I will not put it all back on again. I think some of us have to view this probalem in the same wqy that alcoholics do and keep getting support even when we are "abstinent" of poor eating choices and pig outs.
I only know one person who did LL - she is a consultant now and has kept the weight off, but it is her livlihood to promote the brand, which ma account for it.
Sorry re typos, some of my (previous) bad eating crumbs are stuck in my keyboard!
Sorry to post a DM link but I can't find the Huffington one I originally read
They are more dangerous than long term weightloss, and you do loss muscle in the starvation mode. The body will try and convert to fat storage as soon as you eat, and I don't think it's great for your psyche to actually starve yourself for so long.
They are also targeted at super obese people, who have a whole host of eating issues that should be tackled through eating real food, I think and understanding the real food choices that are good decisions. This kind of diet doesn't teach you about that properly.
When I pointed out to a friend that she could have two chicken breasts for the equivalent of the butter she had put on two crumpets she was horrified. But she saw herself eating "ordinary" portions.
Interestingly enough, the woman with all the motivation to make this succeed - the CEO is morbidly obese.
Wally - you are not starving yourself on this kind of diet. Effectively you are low carbing with reduced calories. This kind of diet promotes ketosis and once in ketosis the body will start using all of the excess fat in your body for its energy instead of using the carbohydrates and calories by food and in some cases excess food which is only going to get stored as even more fat.
I have seen someone starve to death - last year my father got down to about 5 stone and had no reserves and therefore his organs packed up and he eventually passed away, the body has to get down to this kind of weight to eventually stop working.
With an obese person or someone with a lot of fat reserves they are not going to "starve" as they have plenty of fat reserves that can be used for energy instead of the daily carbs/calories that would normally have.
By using a diet like this the fat reserves are going to be reduced quicker than on a reduced calorie diet like WW or similar. Simply because Weight Watchers will put you on about 1400 calories a day but a system like this will reduce that to about 600-800, therefore a 600-800 additional deficit of calories a day is going to mean you lose an extra 1lb or 2 from any other diet.
The "argument" that the CEO is obese is quite bizarre - so what? She chooses not to use her own products and I don't blame her - you have to be hardcore to take on a diet like this but if you are willing to its going to result in a far quicker weight loss than any other system. The same argument can be had for ANY dieter on ANY diet - a lot of people gain weight after dieting because they simply do not know what normal is and that is what made them big in the first place.
I think you can get good results by eating proper meals and cutting the carb bit so for instance have a roast dinner and either have no roast potatoes or just one or two. I did my own diet plan and went from obese to normal BMI. I felt funny for a few days and then didn't find it to difficult. Lighterlife type diets are so expensive. The money could buy really nice food such as prawns and chicken breasts. I know dieting is really difficult but I found nothing worked until I had a lightbulb moment and took responsibility for what my hand was putting into my mouth.
Spam The CEO actually did do the diet. That's how she ended up being involved in the programme. She invented the diet for herself and the other business partner.
The pictures on line were here "before and after pictures" of herself which she used to market the whole company.
She even invented the whole CBT therapy that went with the eating plan.
So if she prescribed the plan, and formulated the strategy, went on the diet because she wanted to lose the weight and yet still can't keep it off, regardless of expense (she is a millionaire in the Cayman islands with access to the product - whereas most people would say they didn't have the time or money to do the diet) then it doesn't say a lot about the success of the program really does it?
I can see why people might think if you don't have the willpower for weightwatchers you won't for a vlcd. But it did work for me where weightwatchers didn't. I couldn't have biscuits,sweets, chocolate, crisps and so on. So there were no treats. So it worked better for me than being allowed this and that and having to count it all. So not being allowed any biscuits was easier than being allowed one or two.
Wally but she did lose weight - she lost 9 stone so it was obviously a success! She was clearly VERY overweight in her first picture and although it doesn't say how much she originally weighed it looks like she was over 20 stone, it states she is now about 14 stone. Although she is still overweight it might be her choice to stay at 14 stone - who knows!
Not sure how you can say the diet wasn't a success with those numbers
But as I KEEP repeating if the person who loses weight does not adjust their eating post diet irrespective of the diet then they are only going to gain the weight - this is the same whatever diet you choose, there is no magical formula in a VLCD that makes someone put on weight quicker after following the diet.
It can be a very good option for a lot of people and should not be discounted with scaremongering through ignorance.
Dolly - also wanted to add that you could try slim and save - it's exactly the same, less than half price and they deliver to your home next working day. My friend has just lost a stone in 2 weeks by having 3 packs a day and one low carb meal a day - there is help in the packs to keep you on track on what you can and can't have.
I think when the leading UK expert in Obesity studies gives evidence in an inquiry and targets these diets as a cause of death for certain individuals it isn't scaremongering.
People have a right to hear all the aspects of the diet good or bad. Nobody gets ill eating one or two less potatos and going for a gentle walk.
The bad points of these diets are the proven risks of arrythmia and gallstones, and the good being a possible reduction in diabetes and high blood pressure from losing the weight. It has been proven that high quality protein along with a VLCD can be better for the system, which is why at the beginning of this thread I suggested she try the Lighter Life Lite version and have a meal a day at least.
If a director of finance was in serious financial difficulty and owed massive debts you'd have no faith in his abilities to run a profitable company.
If the CEO of a company, who started the diet to lose weight herself, cannot keep to a healthy BMI (and 35 is not a good BMI btw - she is still morbidly obese) then I would have no faith in the diet.
Interesting point about gallstones Wally one of the people I know who went on the LL diet has developed them!
If you have gallstones already they might not be causing you any problems. If you then change your eating habits dramatically you can create a situation where the gall stones get flushed out and cause problems. I have gallstones but nly get problems with them if I eat enormous quantities of cheese (only do that in France, and never again) or when I've started a diet and started eating very little indeed. Now I've learned the triggers I don't suffer anymore.
Off topic Higgle what symptoms do you get?
Whenever my dh eats cheese in a decent quantity, (uncooked mainly) I can guarantee he will end up with his head down the toilet bowl in the middle if the night. Usually when he's half asleep and unable to focus on his aim too.
I am absolutely ok with DC and vomit, but I lose my sympathy with DH!
Horrible excrutiating pain under ribs to the centre/right, nothing shifts it - painkillers don't work, moving or trying hot or cold applications no good. I also get very clammy. It was far worse the first time it happened when I had almost flourescent lucozade coloured urine and very pale poo too. I don't get it anymore because I've lost a bit of weight sensibly and will never ever try to eat up so much left over French cheese again.
The only other foodstuff apart from cheese that has affected me was one of those fried starter platters in a dodgy pub.
My doctor did recommend surgery but when I asked what would happen if I said no she said it might go away if I was sensible with what I ate, and she was right on that one.
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