Sugar Addict Needs Help

(169 Posts)
TeaCupCrazy Mon 18-Mar-13 18:03:44

I am addicted to sugar...chocolate, biscuits, sweets anythings thats got sugar in it. I have always had a sweet tooth but since starting calorie counting i am seriously binging on the stuff. It got much worse when i quit smoking a month and half ago - i was substituting cigarettes with chocolate, cake etc but i managed to cut down again then bam!! i start a diet now and here i am stuffing my face with cake sad.

Any hints/tips on how to beat this would be much appreciated.

speedyboots Mon 18-Mar-13 18:15:45

I know aspartame is the work of the devil etc but if you really need a sugary taste, sugar-free chewing gum or diet coke can help. Longer term you probably need to change eating habits/examine behaviour patterns and so on, but it might help you in the short run and stop you feeling down on yourself too. Speaking as a sugar junkie by the way.

TeaCupCrazy Mon 18-Mar-13 18:24:29

speedyboots i think it is going to take me looking seriously at my eating patterns/behaviour to stop. I stopped drinking diet coke 3 weeks ago as i was drinking up to 5 cans a day. Will try sugar free chewing-gum as a replacement - has to better than 5 Oreos in one go blush.

Carrot sticks etc ready cut up or popcorn so when you want to reach for the choc you get that instead?

Mind you I am heading foe the jumbo bag of mini eggs after the dc are asleep. Run out of carrots you see....

TeaCupCrazy Mon 18-Mar-13 18:37:01

Purplehonesty i would love to say i could eat carrot sticks instead but i just don't have the willpower...the biscuits always win. And i just love mini eggs smile.
Stopping smoking was a easy for me - a piece of cake i might say - compared to giving up biscuits and chocolate!

Bonners Mon 18-Mar-13 18:37:17

I'm the same. My behavior is the same as an addicts. I always promise myself "tomorrow" and then proceed to scarf down a kit Kat chunky with my morning cup of tea.
I've heard that l-glutamine supplements are supposed to help. Have some in cupboard, still can't quite commit to it.
Aspartame and the like stimulate the same bits of our brain that deal with sugar so the physiological response is similar to that with sugar so it's not a solution to kick the cravings.
I think I have to approach it just like quitting smoking and go cold turkey. Anyone out there done that and how long did it last?

TeaCupCrazy Mon 18-Mar-13 18:45:51

Bonners i agree cold turkey will be the only way i can stop. If only i can summon the willpower to actually commit. Im a 'will do it tomorrow' person too, then on the day the craving takes over and a toffee crisp later i think what the hell its too late today i will stop tomorrow.

Would love to hear from someone who has managed.

Xenia Mon 18-Mar-13 19:34:39

Perhaps do it gradually. The work of Kathleen des Maisons is good on the topic.

ZolaBuddleia Mon 18-Mar-13 19:36:58

I'm the same, sometimes I really do feel ashamed of myself that I can't control it.

Can you give a quick summary, Xenia?

jimisayo Tue 19-Mar-13 01:11:13

Go to Youtube and check out tapping techniques. It works, like a miracle to stop a craving dead in its tracks, or just weaken the grip. I've seen the look of amazement in people's eyes as they push the now offending object of previous fixation as far away as possible. it isn't a permanent fix, but it allows enough time to work on a permanent fix. Works for cigarettes too, but can't permanently over-ride the deep seated reasons for smoking in the first place.

whosiwhatsit Tue 19-Mar-13 06:35:20

We did this - haven't had any sugar (or white bread, white pasta, or potatoes) in three weeks and don't miss it. We started by watching this video by the paediatric endocrinologist Dr. Lustig who blames sugar for the obesity problems in the US and UK. Processed food manufacturers add sugar to just about everything in order to get us addicted to their products. Rates of diabetes are soaring as are heart disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, etc. Type two diabetes used to be called "adult onset" but not anymore - it has been diagnosed in a four year old in Arizona (poor kid) and is fairly common in ten year olds now. Watch the video or at least the beginning of it (it's long) and see if it doesn't improve your willpower to stop being "poisoned." Or start by reading this article And no this doctor is not a quack, he works for UCSF, a prestigous University hospital and everything he says he backs up with references to the scientific literature in medical journals.

As for my husband and myself, even though its only been three weeks it seems to be having a positive effect. I went to the doctor yesterday to get my blood pressure checked as it had been high and I was about to have to get back on my medication. My blood pressure was completely normal and the doc said "whatever you're doing, keep doing it!" (Google blood pressure and sugar - some studies show it's worse for bp than salt).

Basically we're following a Mediterranean diet. It's absolutely delicious. For example, for breakfast I'm having porridge with blueberries and walnuts, and the blueberries taste lovely and sweet. Lunch is a poached salmon salad with avocado, tomatoes, cucumber and baby spinach with homemade mayonnaise made with olive oil (store-bought mayo and salad dressings almost all contain sugar). Dinner will be wholemeal pasta with aubergine, tomato, a little creme fraiche and a bit of feta. I've lost four pounds and my husband has lost eight eating this way!

I find fruit tastes better now and has replaced the need for sugar in my diet. I had a mango yesterday that tasted amazing, better than any biscuits or cakes. If cravings get bad (and I have had NONE so far and neither has my husband who used to gorge on chocolate!) we plan to have a square or two of very dark chocolate which contains little sugar. But for both of us, realising how we were being manipulated by the food manufacturers was enough for us to break free. There is as much evidence against sugar being dangerous for our health as there was against the cigarette manufacturers before tobacco was finally accepted as being bad for you! I truly believe my husband and I will be sugar-free for life (with perhaps the odd slip-up here and there if it comes to it - a slice of cake per week, for example, is perfectly okay if you don't have sugar every day).

snoworneahva Tue 19-Mar-13 07:04:37

Going cold turkey works, it beats the cravings BUT you have to give up something you love long term and that is why it keeps failing for me. I am currently trying affirmations - telling myself I can control my sugar intake, I'm also training myself to eat mindfully....all my consumption needs to take place at the table, without the tv or the computer or something to read. And I keep supplies deliberately limited. Have been disappointed with the flavour of lots of sweet treats when I actually slow down to taste them - Minstrels now taste of nothing to me - just sugar, Tiffin from Costa, a previous favourite is tasteless too, I was too busy chomping it down to notice.

I am moving towards being a person who can have a sweet treat and leave it at that but I'm getting a bit pickier about what that treat is.

ZolaBuddleia Tue 19-Mar-13 07:42:30

I feel exactly like you snow, whenever I've given up Diet Coke, for example, if I have a drink of it it doesn't taste the same. And the same with mindless eating, my speciality is large bags of sweets eaten in the car.

Am going to watch that film today.

blue2 Tue 19-Mar-13 08:00:21

I've pretty much given up sugar in its purest form - ie in biscuits, cakes, sweets and chocolate. I still eat potatoes and G/F pasta from time to time, and a square of dark chocolate, too!

I am sure that I was actually addicted to the stuff, because when I do eat it (I'm no angel!) it switches on something in me, and I cannot stop.

Just - cannot - stop. I seem to lose any reason. I'm sure its chemical.

I started to cut back about a year ago, and used the following to substitute the sugary taste on cereals and porridge

- Agave syrup which you can get in most supermarkets. (It tastes lush - a bit like maple syrup) and

- Total Sweet which you can also get. It looks like normal granulated sugar.

Both those sweeteners are natural - so no artificial stuff - and they give you a sugar hit, but your body processes it more slowly, so your system doesn't get a huge sugar surge. It should help to break the cycle of wanting sugary stuff so much.

I saw the programme on sugar last night on Big Bang Theory and it gave us all an excuse to keep on eating sugar ("Our brains need it" - Oh yeah - that gave us ALL an excuse to just keep eating the stuff!)

Its not good for you in the quantities that we eat it. Some have gone as far as to say its poison.

I think we should just give our bodies a chance to rest from it occasionally!

forevergreek Tue 19-Mar-13 09:20:21

Def go cold turkey.

I'm the same now in that a kitkat tastes of pure sugar and nothing else now, same with most cakes/ sweets/ choc/ drinks/ sauces etc.

Therefore if I do eat a piece of cake out it will be a nice one off a a small independent place/ homemade stall etc rather than just every time I would pop into a coffee shop.

Soupa Tue 19-Mar-13 10:30:36

I have drunk litres of pepsi max a week, family sized bags of crisps on most days, baked and eaten a zillion cakes and munched around three to five chocolate bars a day for about the last twenty years! I like a drink too...

Not now! Although not as plump as deserved I was getting bigger and less fit but really regardless of size this diet would kill me. I didn't want that so I never buy any shit at all. If as a family we are having buttes with crisps after footy I buy the exact number of packs on the same day. My cupboards have no junk in at all.if I ont buy it I can't eat it.

However I still need yummy so I bake healthy bran muffins with fruit and no sugar, I make fruit pancakes and have lots of yummy berry fruit. Treats are hot chocolate or the muffins.

I still dive off the wagon sometimes but get back on and I only dive into the shallow end..too much homemade cake rather than industrial sized choc bars. I keep raising the standard of my diet ad now I do munch carrot sticks and love them. I no longer really crave the crap at all. I had mackerel toast on homemade wholemeal bread for breakfast and an orange it was much nicer than half a pack of biscuits.

Honestly if I can do it anyone can!

snoworneahva Tue 19-Mar-13 17:12:04

blue2 agave syrup is as bad as high fructose syrup, in that it's fructose - go google agave syrup health dangers - it makes table sugar look positively angelic!

blue2 Tue 19-Mar-13 18:23:35


It says that impact of agave nectar on blood sugar (as measured by its glycaemic index -GI - and glycaemic load - GL) is comparable to fructose, which has a much lower GI and GL than table sugar (sucrose).

Therefore it does not raise the blood sugar as quickly or as much as table sugar.

There seems to be a lot of controversy over Agave Nectar, but if the claims were true, then it would come off our supermarket shelves!

Going cold turkey is obviously the best option, but wondered if the OP was up to it.

Basically we're singing from the same hymn sheet - i.e stop consuming sugarsmile

OrbisNonSufficit Tue 19-Mar-13 19:34:32

I used to loooooooooooove sugar. Then I started to pay attention to how I felt after I had sugar. (as I've never been good with rules, so couldn't stop otherwise)

So try this experiment - have a lot of sugar. Don't have any more for half an hour.

See how you feel like crap. Once I started paying attention to how my blood sugar levels were linked to my mood (and my gut, it also makes my tummy v grumpy), and how refined sugar causes massive high/low(crash) in blood sugar I stopped liking sugar. Sugar attacks you, it's not your friend!!

ProfessorDent Tue 19-Mar-13 20:12:54

Chronium Piccolate, by Solgar, can help beat sugar cravings. Also, Vitamin D3, 25 micrograms, by Holland and Barrett, I've found.

Also, gorge yourself on something else really nice, like a Full English brekkie, then get to noon and have a pre-made toastie, ham and cheese. That, all protein, can keep you going until 4pm I've found. If you've got that far without sugar, you're on the home straight.

Some sugar is worse than others, but it all takes the form of confectionary, cakes, jam, even booze I reckon.

But those Freddie the Frog choc bars aren't so bad, I've found, and also Pret's Chocolate Brownies somehow don't seem as bad for you, at least they satisfy. A lot of choccie stuff you can just devour mindlessly, it's feeding a fix.

Oh, get plenty of sleep, you don't fall into the sugar/coffee routine the next day. And, indeed, avoid the salt-sugar boom and bust thing. A lot of takeway food, I mean Pret too, seems quite salty, and of course you need some sugary thing to compensate afterwards.

snoworneahva Tue 19-Mar-13 20:27:54

Blue2 you have to decide whether you believe the negative reports on fructose - I only felt the need to draw your attention to them...clearly they are still on sale but that's not so really so reassuring - hydrogenated fats/trans fats are still legally found in food in this country in some processed foods and you won't find many people defending their use - they are cheap and give extended shelf like to baked products - but they are the devil's work when it comes to the affect they have in your health....why they are still being legally sold to consumers has little to do with their safety.

RawCoconutMacaroon Tue 19-Mar-13 21:38:03

The best way to stop sugar cravings is to ditch all forms of sugar and processed carbs and stop eating low fat crap (fake food, not things which are naturally low fat). That would include limiting high carb fruits and veg.

I struggled for 20 years trying to eat the recommended low fat, low protein, very high carb diet we are told to eat- was constantly failing, putting on more weight, getting ill... 7 years ago I discovered low carb dieting, have now moved to a paleo/ancestral diet, which is a further refinement of low carb... I've lost over 6 stones and gained a huge amount of health!

We did not evolve eating the kind of shit which is now regarded as normal food, a lot of which is full of very dubious chemicals and highly processed, nutrient poor grains and chemically altered fats...
One example of a "non food, food",
High fructose corn syrup is case in point - a new addition to food, its unnatural industrial maize extract, bypasses insulin and therefore stresses the liver hugely (any kind of fructose does if you eat a lot, even if its in fruit), and this is implicated in the sharp rise in non alcoholic fatty liver (the fructose can't be cleared from the blood by insulin so the liver converts it to fat and stores it in the liver).

These kinds of new, industrial, processed "foods" are making us fat, ill and dead before our time but most people believe, or want to believe, they are a normal part of a normal diet!

TeaCupCrazy Tue 19-Mar-13 22:43:15

Thanks for all the replies smile. Well i have binged on sugar again today sad and i feel awful. Really awful. And physically awful as well as mentally awful.
From all the replies here i can see cold turkey is the only way i can stop. I managed to quit smoking and drinking diet coke going cold turkey so surely i can stop the sugar consumption this way.
I think one of the reasons i have been craving/binging on sugar recently is because i started calorie counting and cutting out some carbs (bread, pasta mostly)! I was feeling so low and in need of a pick me up come the afternoon i would get a drifter from work and add that to my calorie count then that would escalate into biscuits when i got home.

Today, i am ashamed to admit i have eaten 2 kit kats, 1 curly wurly, 4 oreos, 3 custard creams and 1 toffee crisp (Disclaimer - this is a lot for me and unusual as I'm at home at the moment with DS who has Chicken Pox so the boredom of being stuck at home for 6 days now has taken over).
But thats it. I cant do this anymore from tomorrow i have to change!
Theres a lot of good advice on here so I'm going to have another read through to give me motivation and ideas on how to cope. I think i do need to eat more protein during the day for a start. I just need to see how i can manage this at work.

RawCoconutMacaroon Tue 19-Mar-13 22:58:20

More protein, more good fats (in this context, that means fat which is naturally occurring on meat, fish and poultry, cold pressed olive oil and raw coconut oil)... Full of nutrients, but more importantly, protein and fat don't spike your blood sugar the way carbs do (even "complex" carbs do), and IME stops that sugar binge cycle very fast (in my time, I could eat a LOT of carby crap and still be hungry all the time. I agree with what soe other posters have said here, sugar are added to a lot of manufactured food to make you eat more! They manufacturers are in it to make money not keep you healthy hmm

BrendaB85 Wed 20-Mar-13 09:09:18

I swear by Sweet'N Low for my sugar fix. You can put it in your tea and also cook/bake with it.

I also love, love, love when I need choco fix!

ZolaBuddleia Wed 20-Mar-13 10:47:13

I'm with you TeaCup, really struggling. I did follow the low GI principles for a while, using the Montignac book. I really did feel better for it, and lost weight, but struggled to keep going.

A lot of what other posters have said here makes sense (particularly the big English breakfast bit), and I liked that idea of if you've made it to 4pm with no sugar hit then the home straight is in sight.

Shall we go for it together TeaCup?

Bonners Wed 20-Mar-13 13:14:33

Can I join you Zola and Teacup? On my first no choccy day and finding it hard.
I did a very strict candida diet for 10 years in my early twenties and was slender, healthy and full of energy. Fast forward to my late thirties and a dh and ds later and I'm up to my highest weight ever, chronic thrush, feeling low and no energy.
This is it. Gotta start now!

ZolaBuddleia Wed 20-Mar-13 14:48:31

You're certainly welcome to join me! (Come on TeaCup!)

I can't start til tomorrow though, as I've already munched a Crunchie and two coconut macaroons today...

I like a lot of healthy food, and I'm convinced if I could kick the refined sugar I'd feel much better and lose weight. Do you smoke/drink as well? Bad food is my only vice, but the addiction is really strong!

Bonners Wed 20-Mar-13 15:33:09

I'm partial to a glass of wine on the wknd but don't drink excessively although I REALLY look forward to Friday and my glass of wine. The hangovers have gotten worse over the years and it's just not worth it to get trollied. I quit smoking about 8 yrs ago after many tries. This feels the same. My stop smoking technique was to tell myself "I'm ok now, I'll have one later" which seemed to trick my brain into getting over that craving.

There is a box of dark chocolate gingers in my office that is whispering my name. I'm going to tell it "later" too and see if it works.confused

Anyone else get the 3pm slump? I'm powering through but just want to crawl under desk and have a nap (or just keep MNingblush ).

Great that you already have a good diet Zola, that will help with kicking sugar surely. My diet used to be crazy healthy (sprouts, gluten-free whole grains, no flour products, veg coming out the wazoo and filtered water by the gallon. I was very crunchy) but I've reverted to alot of ready meals, pasta, sauces, meat/potatoes and tonnes of carbs since falling pregnant in 2010. I blame motherhood!wink

TeaCupCrazy Wed 20-Mar-13 18:38:12

Zola Im in grin tomorrow. I was back at work today after 6 days at home with DS (chicken pox) and i was in a meeting all day so i gave in and had 2 biscuits. Thats all so far. Oh no, i had some Haribo sweets when i got home too blush. I love healthy food too and i actually would have a good diet if i could only stop consuming so much sugar. I don't smoke anymore and i drink only occasionally now.
Bonners i have been thinking of getting away from my desk when i have a sugar craving. Just going for a 5 minute walk or wander about. Will try that tomorrow.

So is that us all set and ready for tomorrow?

Bonners Wed 20-Mar-13 19:23:44

WOOHOO! Let's go!
It's the start of Spring so very fitting that we're starting this now.
I'm done work for the week so it will be easier to avoid sugar consumption due to boredom but will defo try the 5 min walk next week when the 3pm slump hits.

ZolaBuddleia Wed 20-Mar-13 19:43:50


Bless you for thinking my diet might be all beans and pulses. grin What I meant is that I like healthy food, so I won't be at sea if I can't have a KFC, but the healthy things I'm eating are more than wiped out by the sweet shite.

BsshBossh Wed 20-Mar-13 21:25:26

TeaCupCrazy can you increase your carbs a little bit as that may be the reason why you're binging on the sugar? So bring back into your diet a bit of bread, potato, pasta etc... Your body might be feeling too deprived. You can still log it for calories.

I can inhale chocolate etc too but what I've found is helping is to tell myself, whenever I get the urge to munch, to reach for healthy things first. I don't keep chocolate etc (except for 70-80% black chocolate) in the house anymore but am well stocked on red peppers and carrots that I dip into hummous or tzatiki. It really helps reduce the sugar binging. Also loads of blueberries and raspberries.

BsshBossh Wed 20-Mar-13 21:30:41

Found a great link to Kathleen DesMaison's steps to overcoming sugar addiction:

Thanks Xenia for the heads up.

Bonners Wed 20-Mar-13 21:53:07

Thanks for the link Bssh.

That all looks fine but the thought of eating a potato at night makes me want to hurl. The shake in the morning sounds nice. Might give that a try.

BsshBossh Wed 20-Mar-13 21:58:46

Yeah, the potato idea makes me <boak> but the protein and complex carb advice looks good.

BsshBossh Wed 20-Mar-13 22:00:55

By the way, I don't eat breakfast (and don't plan on doing it) plus I do 5:2 fasting, but I want to reduce my sugar intake on non-fasting days. So will pick and choose from DesMaison's ideas to suit me.

chartreuse Wed 20-Mar-13 22:06:39

I had a chocolate addiction which was getting out of hand, so I followed the Low Carb Bootcamp thread. No sugar, no carbs for 2 weeks and that was enough to get it out of my system.

I still eat low carb and have no interest in sweet things now. I was out with dd at the weekend and had a slice of cake, but I couldn't finish it as it tasted disgustingly sweet! It really doesn't take long to re-tune your pallate.

TeaCupCrazy Wed 20-Mar-13 22:31:40

Bssh thanks for the link. Im going to take my time and have a good read through it.

Im going to tackle this like i did with cigarette cravings. Tell myself its only a craving and it will pass. And that without sugar i will be healthy (and thinner!!!). That at least should give me a bit of time so the craving will pass. Until the next one of course.

Chartreuse leaving a bit of cake is something that i can never imagine myself doing. But if i can get the sugar out my system maybe i could. I just don't think i can cope with no carbs at all.

chartreuse Wed 20-Mar-13 22:45:03

Try the bootcamp thread, it was brilliant for me. The first few days are hard though, so you need to be determined. Don't try it if life's a bit stressful, or the week before your period.

I was also in the habit of 'treating' myself with food. I stopped that, instead of chocolate I'd buy a magazine, or have a bath or something.

If I can do it, you can!

ZolaBuddleia Thu 21-Mar-13 08:21:15

Morning all. Reporting for duty! Breakfast has been the usual, Weetabix with semi skimmed, I don't put sugar on that anyway so no challenges so far.

I don't drink tea, coffee or herbal teas, so tend to have diet coke and squash. Obviously they need to stop, any ideas for replacements?

Bonners Thu 21-Mar-13 09:07:39

Morning all!
Breaky was porridge with almond milk (I'm lactose intolerant) apple, almonds and pumpkin seeds. Planning on making pear and banana muffins with Stevia if children can be entertained by themselves long enough.
Have 2 toddlers in the house today so avoiding sugar will be easier than normal. I'll be too busy to eat!
The best thing to replace diet drinks and squashes is water but that might be hard. what about a wee bit of fresh fruit juice diluted in it, or just fizzy water?

TeaCupCrazy Thu 21-Mar-13 09:10:28

Morning Zola. I drink lots of water during the day if I'm at work and at home i tend to drink lots of tea and coffee. What about trying a herbal tea? I always fancy buying some but theres too many in the supermarket so i end up spending half an hour looking at them then i cant make up my mind.

i had porridge this morning made with soya milk (no sugar) instead of my usual toast and banana. Im hoping it will keep me going until lunch.

Im feeling positive but its only past 9am grin.

ZolaBuddleia Thu 21-Mar-13 09:17:43

Why did you not have toast and banana? <panics that I've misunderstood what this is about and I can't eat bananas>

TeaCupCrazy Thu 21-Mar-13 09:33:27

grin zola just because I'm usually still hungry after that so i will end up eating some biscuits. I love bananas they are my favourite fruit - no way i would give up bananas.

ZolaBuddleia Thu 21-Mar-13 09:34:26

Had a look at the link, and for me I think eating protein at breakfast time is going to be tough!

devilinside Thu 21-Mar-13 09:42:46

Try sweet potato instead of white potato, it has a lower GI and satisfies sweet cravings. I am the biggest ever sugar junkie, and have lost almost 1/2 stone in 2 weeks by going cold turkey (having red wine at the weekends)

Xenia Thu 21-Mar-13 09:47:22

It certainly was the traditional English breakfast - lots of eggs, kippers even and a lot of people find it fairly easy as that was what they were brought up to eat at breakfast time. Sugar, even fruit, was a rare things for 2 millions years of our ancestors (fruit only in season) so I suppose were evolved to go wild the few occasions once a year we found honey or fruits.
Try substituting fruit or as much nuts and raisins as you like no matter what the calories as you move to not eating the junk food products.

I would never have thought I would cease to be tempted by chocolate or biscuits in the house or at a work meeting but I totally lost the desire. There were biscuits in a work meeting yesterday (mind you pretty low grade Midlands company type biscuits - not South East meeting room biscuits... but either way I was not tempted).

ZolaBuddleia Thu 21-Mar-13 10:53:48

It's the hot food angle that puts me off. Maybe I should try cold hardboiled eggs.

At the moment I'd sell my leg for a biscuit, no matter what the provenance.

TeaCupCrazy Thu 21-Mar-13 11:05:34

I think i would struggle with protein at breakfast too. I'm feeling good after eating porridge for breakfast today. Which is a big change for me. Normally i would be thinking about lunch by now and craving a biscuit.
I may get some nuts to keep at my desk for the afternoon slump.

I need to change my lunch eating habits too. A salad is just not enough for me at lunchtime and just fuels my sugar cravings.

Bonners Thu 21-Mar-13 13:17:57

Argh. Had a Morrisons cold ham and salad plate for lunch and it just did not do the tricksad . Feel irritable, like my inner child is throwing a massive tantrum! She wants a pain au chocolat but is NOT being indulged.
Will try a few oatcakes and lactose free cheese.
Well done Xenia! This is bearable if it's only 2 weeks.
Teacup, protein and a bit of carb at lunch will help with cravings mud afternoon. I should have taken my own advice today.

Bonners Thu 21-Mar-13 13:18:24

mid afternoon is what I meant...

TeaCupCrazy Thu 21-Mar-13 14:16:20

Oatcakes sound like a good idea Bonners - not nearly the same as a pain au chocolat though i totally understand. Is the lactose free cheese nice?
I didn't bring my lunch to work today so i bought a tuna mayo and salad roll. I know i will slump later now and i have nothing here to eat. Only the cafe with its rows of cakes and bars of chocolate and the dreaded vending machine.

ZolaBuddleia Thu 21-Mar-13 14:39:12

I've just had eggs, bacon and chips! But no diet coke or chocolate afterwards, which I would do normally. So, a small victory.

I can't do low calorie and try to stop refined sugar at the same time, it would be setting myself up for failure.

ZolaBuddleia Thu 21-Mar-13 16:35:02

How's the afternoon slump? Anyone wolfing down the mars bars?

TeaCupCrazy Thu 21-Mar-13 17:38:11

I made it through the afternoon ok. But, I got home and realised that dd had made truffles at school. I had forgotten and she was so happy with herself! Well, i explained to her that i had stopped eating sugar and she just looked at me with a horrified expression. So....i ate 1 blush. They were tiny honest. But now i feel terrible with myself. In all honesty though that would normally have been the start for me. I would have eaten another 4 of them then had a couple of biscuits on top. And i really want more but I wont eat another 1. At least I ate just the 1 and she was happy. Sorry sad

Bonners Thu 21-Mar-13 17:38:58

Made it through but now really hungry and dinner not for another hour or 2.
Chocolate buttons on table for ds are driving ne insane. Have nearly scoffed a few unconsciously like I normally would but have managed to resist. Feel very grumpy and slightly depressed too. Surely it's all in my head and not from less than 24 hrs without sugar?!
How did everyone's day go?

Bonners Thu 21-Mar-13 19:49:43

Teacup, DD takes priority obviously so good on you for just having the one.
Still waiting on dinner here. Have snapped at dh and now he's in a cream puffblush . Sigh. But no choccy yet. Did have some ketchup on a chip with ds though. Does that count?

TeaCupCrazy Thu 21-Mar-13 20:12:01

Well done staying away from the chocolate buttons Bonners. I was eyeing up the biscuits when ds asked for one for supper but managed to stay away.
Ketchup doesn't count. Does it hmm?
Im finding the cravings are making me really irritable...but i feel they are passing if i can just work through them. Im ok at the moment but in 10 mins i will be desperate for a toffee crisp.
I think i will feel worse tomorrow especially as its Friday and i have no idea how i will cope over the weekend.

ProfessorDent Thu 21-Mar-13 20:13:28

Oh, maybe drink a pint of water before you succumb to a sugar craving. I understand the instinct for sugar is the same as being dehydrated; the two get confused. Esp in this cold weather, with central heating switched up.

Avoid salt, which is in a lot of things. I think Pret may have dialled up the salt in their food. It's boom and bust. You have salt, you need sugar to balance it out again. Yikes!

A banana has good sugar in it, tastes sweet, is better than choccie bars which are refined devilry.

Bonners Thu 21-Mar-13 22:41:24

Oh no! Just made a coffee date for tomorrow at a really nice cafe. Stoopid, now I have to resist really nice cakes. What's the point of tea without a nice bit of cake or a biscuit?
Perhaps they have bacon and eggs.
Anyway, that's one day under the belt. Yay. Zzzzzzzz.

EMUZ Thu 21-Mar-13 23:05:48

I quit cold turkey. Day 2/3 was the worst, banging head and grouchy. I find it pretty easy now although I have one "cheat meal" a week which weirdly is not usually sugar based!

RawCoconutMacaroon Fri 22-Mar-13 07:36:02

Emuz, the banging headache and feeling awful seems to be really common when going cold turkey with carbs, I felt very flu-ish for about 5 days! It's just your body adjusting to the new reality smile.

Remember "sugar" doesn't just mean the obvious sources like sugar, honey, fructose etc, ANY carbohydrate food is sugar and even if you don't want to "lowcarb" (I do), you need to pay attention to the amount of high gi carbs you are eating because you will get the same blood sugar spike/blood sugar crash, hunger cycle from processed carbs as from table sugar (a baked potato gi is almost the same as the gi of sugar!) shock

ZolaBuddleia Fri 22-Mar-13 08:39:33

Morning smile!

Yep, get what you're saying about the obviously carbs, but I'm having to start somewhere. If I can stay away from artificial sweeteners, biscuits etc but still have a small amount of pasta, bread and potatoes then I think I stand more chance of succeeding. I'm sure that I'm addicted to effect that sugar has on my body, but I crave the obviously sweet things because I like the way they taste, and if I can beat that I would be reducing my daily calories by about 750 I reckon.

TeaCupCrazy Fri 22-Mar-13 09:48:10

Im the same as you Zola i need to focus on my craving and addiction for the obvious sugars to me - biscuits, chocolate bars etc.

What may seem like a small change will make a huge difference to me.
At the moment i crave the taste (and the resulting sugar rush) of chocolate and as soon as i have one bit i will eat more - every single time. That could start with one kit kat - before i know it I've had 4.

Good luck at the coffee shop Bonners. Hope they have bacon and eggs smile.

Professor I did notice yesterday I upped my water intake at night and it seemed to help. Your right about bananas they are sweet which would help with a craving.
Apparently banana and egg pancakes are good. May be good for a treat at the weekend.

ZolaBuddleia Fri 22-Mar-13 11:57:23

Banana and egg?

Bonners Fri 22-Mar-13 13:27:49

Well.... I didn't do so well but not disastrous. One scone with a bit of jam. Kids were too rambunctious to have anything more as we had to leave pretty quickly after ds banged his ear on a table and had a meltdown in the only slightly kid friendly cafe.
I hear what you're (sorry, on my phone with this and once in post mode I can't look back on the thread so can't remember who said what) saying about sugar not just being the obvious but as with teacup and Zola, this is a start. Next step is to really concentrate on refined carbs like white flour and pasta and limit them. Although I do recognize that overloading on those while stopping sugar is counterproductive.
Friday night is on it's way though! Have planned for a curry with rice and naan and have bought one of those ittybitty bottles of wine so I have no choice but to only have one. And no biscuits for after!
What's on the menu for everyone else?
ps. is that pancakes made with eggs inside and then bananas on top or pancakes with cooked egg and banana? Former, yum. Latter, maybe not so much?

ZolaBuddleia Fri 22-Mar-13 14:03:09

Had an omelette and salad, with a piece of bread and butter. Didn't, however, have pop and a chocolate muffin for afterwards, which is what every fibre of my soul was craving.

Dinner is pork chops, potatoes and peas. We have guests so there will be pudding, but I will do my best for the sake of all MNers on this thread to minimise portion size.

Have a belting headache from lack of caffeine, and have a permanently metallic taste in my mouth that just water isn't shifting. Boo.

EMUZ Fri 22-Mar-13 14:10:00

RCM - yup, I battled through with litres of water, now nearly 3 months on and 9kg down grin

TeaCupCrazy Fri 22-Mar-13 14:12:52

1 banana and 2 eggs I think. Mash the banana, add eggs, whisk up really well and then cook. But just to add I have never tried to make them grin. I'm going to make them tomorrow in the hope my ds may eat them. I will want syrup on them though thats the problem.

The weekend is near and the dc will be expecting their weekly pancakes. I usually make pancakes with flour, water or soya milk and 1 tsp caster sugar. I might replace some of the flour with oats and see what they turn out like.

Bonners a scone is ok I would say. If it was only one and not 4 all topped with huge amounts of jam and butter then followed by a huge piece of chocolate cake that would previously have been my kind of scone

Bonners Fri 22-Mar-13 14:32:42

No flour? Let me know what they're like!
Stranded in car with sleeping child and have no food or water with me. It sounds dire but I'm just down the street from my house. I can't leave him though because it's a busy street on a steep hill. Too paranoid about the handbrake failing or someone nicking him to leave him even for a bit if the car isn't right outside the house.
So, on the upside I can't be cheating with sweets because there are none but the downside is that all I've eaten since 7am is a sconesad and my blood sugar is LOW (said with a Barry White voice). I'd give my left (numb) butt cheek for a cup if rooibos tea and a ham sandwich.
Porkchops sound nice!

Bonners Fri 22-Mar-13 14:36:13

Well done Zola! I can't believe you're kicking caffeine too but good on you!
Awesome effort EMUZ! Will never leave home without a water bottle ever again.

EMUZ Fri 22-Mar-13 14:38:25

Banana and egg pancakes are nice smile took a little trial and effort, I used the hand blender for the mix

ZolaBuddleia Fri 22-Mar-13 14:39:04

I only have to kick it because I drink a can of Diet Coke every day and it's Against Our Rules.

You're a very good mummy sitting in the car in the freezing cold with no sweets. I'd throw my DD to the sharks for a packet of Revels this afternoon.

TeaCupCrazy Fri 22-Mar-13 14:54:42

Zola, sorry i didn't see your earlier post. I had omelette last night and found it was really filling so I'm definitely eating them more often.
I bet i get addicted to eggs next with all the egg pancakes and omelettes i will be eating!

EMUZ, your doing great. I will make the pancakes tomorrow using a hand blender.

Bonners are you still in the car?

Do we have rules? We should. What are they? Im worried now!!! Im no good with rules confused.

ZolaBuddleia Fri 22-Mar-13 15:07:23

My rules are no aspartame, no cakes, biscuits, choc etc.

Am I allowed proper fruit juice if it doesn't have added sugar?

Bonners Fri 22-Mar-13 17:59:22

Rules might be an idea. I don't have any and haven't been doing brilliantly today.

ok, here goes....

My rules: no sugar, no chocolate, no biscuits, no white flour and veg at every meal (except breakfast). That ought to be enough but I have to start the no flour thing tomorrow as I have already bought naans for dinner.

Bonners Fri 22-Mar-13 18:04:47

Zola, fruit juice is pretty sweet even without added sugar. I'd say no (sorry to be a meanie) but can't offer much as a substitute. Very diluted with fizzy water perhaps?

cantpooinpeace Fri 22-Mar-13 18:19:49

Iam currently going cold turkey on the paleo diet thing through my local gym.
Yesterday I spent most of the afternoon battling my choc/crisp demons & when my DH came home I actually cried!! I had an awful headache too.
Today has been slightly better including the headache. About to have chicken stir fry for tea & really looking forward to it. This for me has been far harder than giving up smoking hmm

RawCoconutMacaroon Fri 22-Mar-13 19:04:08

Fruit juice and fruit smoothies - not great, very high gi so none if you are trying to loose weight, and only limited amounts if you are slim ... Whole fruits are much better (you'd struggle to eat the number of oranges that you can drink down in one glass of oj!), but for weight loss, don't eat loads of fruit, even whole fruits, non starchy veg and salad leaves are better!

FrillyMilly Fri 22-Mar-13 19:27:14

I seriously need to quit the sugar. I could have written your post (even down to the DS with chicken pox). I'm usually ok during the day at work then evenings and especially weekends I just binge. I'm too ashamed to tell you what I've eaten today. It's disgusting. From tomorrow I'm going to stop. I don't mind protein at breakfast so I think I'll give omelettes a try. Does cows milk have a lot of sugar in it?

EMUZ Fri 22-Mar-13 20:49:34

This might be a mega post but this is what I eat (very vaguely Paleo) grin
Meat, fish, veg, berries, full fat Greek yog, butter, salad, olive oil, nuts, sweet potato and (very occasionally) up to 25g brown rice. Odd bits of cream and I use ff milk in tea
Once a week (and only if I've been perfect all week) I have a cheat meal. I eat whatever I want in that meal but that's it, straight back on it after that meal
I drink between 2-3l water a day as well
Used to be a cake/chocolate/fizzy pop/bread fiend but given it all up.

FrillyMilly Fri 22-Mar-13 21:16:19

EMUZ do you crave crap food? I love all the food you have mentioned but I find myself constantly craving rubbish and once I start I just can't stop.

EMUZ Fri 22-Mar-13 22:09:38

Day 2/3 were bad but I drank masses of water
Now I just say (in my head and to others) "no thanks, I don't eat bread/crisps/cake)

I'm not perfect, I've fallen off the wagon but my cheat meal helps. If I'm really craving I think "right, only 24hrs until cheat meal" but if I find I don't want it, then I stretch it to the next day so sometimes it's 10 days between cheats. After this weeks meal (pizza and a choc pudding) I felt awful. Tmi but I had the runs, stomach cramps, a headache, massive carb cravings

Being able to eat fats helps, protein and fat are filling, and my body kind of naturally says "I'm full" now. I've just had homemade burgers topped with cheese, onion and mustard, sweet potato mash (with crime fraiche) and salad - not too shabby diet food!

Am now 9kg down, my before and after pics are on the bootcamp thread or I can link them here

TeaCupCrazy Fri 22-Mar-13 23:02:48

My rules are: no sugar, no chocolate, no biscuits, no cakes/bakes etc, more protein, porridge every morning (sounds bizarre but its working so far!).

FrillyMilly come join us on our mission to quit sugar. I cant even begin to write down what i have binged on lately. I would be too ashamed. But I have had nothing today and yesterday I only had 1 tiny truffle. Im feeling ok just now and I feel quite positive about doing this, especially as i know there are others in the same boat as me and trying hard to quit too.

Cant I agree looking back now stopping smoking was easy.

EMUZ you have done so well. Can you link your pics? Do you include beans in your diet? I made sweet potato chips tonight, they were delicious and really filling too.

EMUZ Fri 22-Mar-13 23:15:24

Nope no pulses smile
Photos are underwear pics just so you don't keel over in horror

ZolaBuddleia Sat 23-Mar-13 08:49:11

Morning, healthy ladies!

Hhm, as I suspected, fruit juice is Against The Rules. Water it is then.

Pah, vegetables will never ever be as nice as fruit. sad

Where do we stand on honey and dried fruit? Had porridge this morning, which I'd normally put about a teaspoon of honey in and a tablespoon of raisins. Should I now be putting a courgette in it?

RawCoconutMacaroon Sat 23-Mar-13 08:57:05

Emuz, I identify strongly with your poat of 22.09 22/3/13. - it was only AFTER I stopped eating all grain foods as part of the paleo WOE, that I discovered just how ill grain foods make me, particularly the gluten containing ones (gut pain, digestive upset, headaches, joint pain etc...).

I think it's fairly common for people who have problems controlling carb intake (I certainly never could just have 1 kitcat, 1 slice of bread!), to actually be intolerant to grains.

I low carbed for years (lots of weight lost) but didn't get the full health benefits until I cut out all grains a year ago... Now even for "cheats" my absolute rule is no gluten, as this gives me the worst symptoms.

Paleo/ancestral Woe is a lot to get your head around at first, but actually quite easy once you are used to it.

For anyone interested, I suggest a read of and thedietdoctor, both free blogs with a lot of info.

Also a slow cooker (I have two!), is fantastic, paleo slow cooker recipes books available on amazon, well worth the money grin.

RawCoconutMacaroon Sat 23-Mar-13 09:09:29

Lol Zola, well, I wouldn't have the porridge! I don't do grains at all but dried fruit and honey, yes but in small quantities, as treats but not everyday. Berry fruits in moderation are great.

Thedietdoctor blog has a great recipe for paleo low carb nut and seed breakfast "cereal", very scrummy, serve with cream or dry... A very small portion will keep you going till lunch or beyond!

My breakfast is usually meat (leftovers, Parma ham or fish) with either a hand full of nuts or berries with coffee and cream!!!

It's great, no calorie counting, just a bit of awareness of. portion size (ie nuts and seeds, a portion is a hand full, that's about 30g).

ZolaBuddleia Sat 23-Mar-13 09:29:51

I think until my palate adjusts it would be just too much to go from several pieces of chocolate and diet coke every day to seeds and nuts. It's embarrassing to admit it, but it makes me feel sad, thinking about it, and the idea of dry cereal makes me irrationally angry.

It's such a massive adjustment, the idea that dried fruit is an occasional treat.

FrillyMilly Sat 23-Mar-13 10:38:02

Well today I've had cheese and mushroom omelette for breakfast. Just going to have a few pistachios for a snack and I've got plenty of water to drink. I've got a headache already though! I think I need to go cold turkey as there is no way I can cut down. I'm going to try my best until next Sunday and have a little treat for Easter. I had planned on buying myself a massive egg from asda but I'm not going to.

Do any of you exercise? Do you find you eat differently on days you exercise? I usually cycle once a week (although not this week) and do around 20 mile rides. I don't know what to take as a mid way snack as its usually some haribo

TeaCupCrazy Sat 23-Mar-13 11:10:13

EMUZ wow what a difference. And you sound so positive. You must be so proud of yourself. Hope I can look back one day and be proud of the changes i have made.

Zola I now have banana on my porridge or I add cinnamon. I would normally have added syrup and/or chocolate chips. Think i may pass on adding a courgette grin. Im not going to push myself into cutting out more from my diet than i need to at the moment. I know i will just fail and end up bingeing. As long as I can cut out the chocolate etc i will be happy.

Frilly I was doing the 30 day Shred until last Monday. Nearly completed it. Was on day 24 i think. Im starting back up today. I was doing it every day with no rest day and it got too much and i got bored with it so i gave up. Im going to do it 5 days a week from now on and mix it up with Ripped in 30. I was counting calories at the same time though so that made it worse when i was trying to keep chocolate and biscuits in my calorie count of 1400 for a day.

FrillyMilly Sat 23-Mar-13 11:40:15

I was doing the shred too. Got to 15 days then the pox hit and I was living off 4 hours sleep. I'm going to try starting it up again. Cinnamon in porridge is a good idea. I usually had golden syrup.

EMUZ you can see such a difference on you pictures. I've taken some of myself and hopefully I'll have some decent after ones.

EMUZ Sat 23-Mar-13 14:16:25

FrillyMilly - I do a bootcamp/circuit thing and spinning. I just eat at least an hour before (so I don't throw up!!) and I have a protein shake immediately after

RawCoconutMacaroon Sat 23-Mar-13 15:38:31

Zola, it is a huge change, no getting away from that but if you cut carbs back significantly, and increase your protein and fats, those cravings for sweet stuff disappear pretty fast, because your blood sugar is level most of the time instead of spiking and falling (which drives the compulsion to eat more carbs!).

Also, when you stop eating added sugar, and get most of you carbs from veg and leaves, sweet things taste so sweet it is amazing how little you need to feel "treated", and I speak as someone who had a really, really serious problem with sugar addiction blush

I find dates are amazing as a treat, 2 or 3 is enough, either on their own or dipped in a couple of squares of melted very dark chocolate - they make a great after dinner treat to have with coffee if you have guests.

EMUZ Sat 23-Mar-13 15:49:34

I find strawberries very sweet now grin
Just had a huge omelette with ham, cherry tomatoes and a sprinkle of cheese
Tea will be homemade burgers with mustard and salsa with veg

TeaCupCrazy Sat 23-Mar-13 16:10:37

Frilly I will start shred again tomorrow. Im going to mix up the levels now I think. Thats us clear of chicken pox now. DS is looking forward to going back to nursery on Monday. He is bored of us all now hmm.

Tea sounds good EMUZ.

FrillyMilly Sat 23-Mar-13 18:31:12

I think shred tomorrow is a good idea as major sugar craving headache going on. I had a roasted pepper stuffed with Tuna for lunch and dinner is spicy chicken.

EMUZ Sat 23-Mar-13 18:36:26

Water, water, more water grin
I love fizzy water with lime, find it really refreshing. Or basil and lemon slices

Bonners Sat 23-Mar-13 20:22:11

Hello all!
Looking good EMUZ. That is inspiring!
Ds struck down with d&v today so no time to post or to have proper foodsad . I did manage to stay away from chocolate but have eaten 6 pear and banana muffins (low sugar and made with spelt but still pretty high carb) and some sausages. We're hoping it's just a 24hr thing.

Sounds like everyone is progressing well. Good job! Interesting chat about grains and intolerance. It resonates with me so will have to think about cutting gluten out at some point.

Off to collapse in front of a steak pie with tonnes of veg. Happy Saturday night everyone!

TeaCupCrazy Sat 23-Mar-13 21:02:31

EMUZ i really want fizzy water with lime now. Thats on my shopping list for tomorrow.

Bonners I hope its just a 24hr things and your ds is better soon. Well done for not turning to chocolate and biscuits though. Enjoy your steak pie and veg, sounds lovely - so do the muffins. And you needed them to keep your energy up today so don't worry about having lots of them. Have a good night.

Bonners Sun 24-Mar-13 17:23:55

d and v continues but no major lapse with sugar. Might get divorced though, I'm so crankyangry .

FrillyMilly Sun 24-Mar-13 21:11:10

Well I started the shred again. I went back to day one level one and I'm dying! I can't believe I managed 15 days of it. I won't be doing it tomorrow though as I go to netball.

Food wise I'm doing ok. Found alpro yoghurt which only has 2g of sugar compared to 6g in the natural yoghurt I usually get. I've made my lunch for tomorrow which consists of rocket, watercress, spinach, lettuce, 3 eggs, full fat mayo (when I use this a voice in my head screams NO!), spring onion and a little cheddar.

EMUZ Sun 24-Mar-13 22:12:23

Salad sounds good! I use total full fat Greek yoghurt

FrillyMilly Sun 24-Mar-13 22:24:56

I find Greek yoghurt too bitter. I use it in cooking though. I must admit I am quite shocked looking at sugar content of foods I has assumed where 'good'. When dieting in the past I used to have Special K or breakfast biscuits, fat free yoghurts or rice puddings, cereal bars, extra light mayo, those little probiotic drinks, fruit juices and smoothies and Tins of soup. Does everyone know these are all full or sugar? I feel a bit stupid that I'm only just really realising even though I've had half hearted attempts at low carbing.

TeaCupCrazy Sun 24-Mar-13 22:31:05

Bonners, hope your ds is better soon. I may heading for a divorce too, I am so snappy with Dh He just doesn't seem to understand how hard it is for me to give up sugar and to top it all he has 1 biscuit every day after tea. Only 1. And at the moment I am so jealous of his self control, its really winding me up envy.

Frilly, your lunch for tomorrow sounds great. I do like Alpro yoghurts actually, I never thought about checking the sugar content of them. I didn't manage shred today and i am kind of scared to start back up. Will start back at Level 1 tomorrow night.

I've done ok today. Been a bit hectic but i haven't given in to the cravings for sugar, even though i had to watch dc cover their pancakes with syrup this morning sad. I did have a pancake but they were made with only white flour (not great i know) and water and i had them with strawberries.

EMUZ Sun 24-Mar-13 22:34:27

I know, it is shocking
I found the total one bitter at first but now it tastes just creamy. Your taste buds will adapt, I spat out some chocolate the other week as it was too sweet shock

RawCoconutMacaroon Mon 25-Mar-13 07:41:21

Frillymilly, re sugar - it is shocking, but the demonisation of fat led to many "diet" and "healthy" processed food products having lots of sugar added to them... Pretty much any (processed) food with the words LOW FAT on the front will be high gi/sugar!
Typically people eating what they believe to be a healthy diet (because we are told to eat this way!), are eating extremely high carb, not great for our metabolism!

Bonners Mon 25-Mar-13 09:09:44

Oh dear. Gotta get back on the wagon...
After spending the day quite literally up to my elbows in shit I made the conscious choice last night that a kitkat was my due and again this morning after being up in the night with ds. Now I feel rubbish, heartburn, fuzzy head etc. and so angry at myself for giving inangry .
Feel stupid for being so selfpitying too. Come on Bon, get a grip!
Anyone else had blips with their sugar free quest and what did you do afterwards?

Bonners Mon 25-Mar-13 09:11:08

ps. well done teacup for shredding! Jillian Michaels is brutal but awesome.

TeaCupCrazy Mon 25-Mar-13 09:36:11

Bonners you have done so well, Its just a small blip. Don't worry about it. Less than 2 weeks ago I was bingeing on chocolate when ds had chicken pox. Its just so easy to do it.

I have managed to stay away from chocolate, biscuits, cake etc but i have eaten more crisps than usual over the weekend. I think I may try and cut them out now. I just have to be careful because i know if I cut out too much too soon I will give in. But, I don't want to end up addicted to crisps.

Bonners Mon 25-Mar-13 10:25:41

Thanks teacup. I too could substitute crisps for sugar, mmmmm. Good plan to stagger the cutting out though.

FrillyMilly Mon 25-Mar-13 20:43:18

In too fussed about crisps. I've done ok today. Had ham and cheese omelette for breakfast, almonds for a snack, salad followed by alpro yoghurt with blueberries for lunch. Dinner was a beef baguette so not great but I was running late. Think I need to sort the slow cooker out.

FrillyMilly Mon 25-Mar-13 20:44:58

Teacup what about get in healthy bits you can pick at as substitute for the crisps? I'm a such s grazer so am trying to go for things like nuts or vegetable sticks instead. Not the same but it will have to do.

TeaCupCrazy Mon 25-Mar-13 21:57:53

Hi Frilly, I bought some olives and gherkins to snack on at the weekend so i have been snacking on them. The only problem is I've been eating them with bowls of crisps. I haven't checked the sugar count In them either - Im hoping not a lot. You can just never tell. I think I will check pistachios as i really like them , I bet they are really high in calories though.

I was ok today. I had porridge for breakfast (plain), mixed salad with spicy dressing, ham and philadelphia, then banana for lunch. Tonight i did have 3 slices of wholemeal toast though. I never eat bread at night. But then all i had was a veg omelette. Still not happy about the toast though! And i didn't manage shred sad. Does anyone exercise in the morning? Think i need to start as its getting too busy at nights.

ZolaBuddleia Tue 26-Mar-13 07:39:12

Morning all.
Feel I'm doing ok compared to how my diet was previously. Have only had 2 bits of chocolate, 2 diet cokes and dinner at the MIL's last night totted up a lemon meringue pie. So, not exactly cold turkey, but a huge improvement.

I'm afraid I'm not doing any exercise, must sort that out.

What sort of weight loss are you ladies looking for? I need to lose 5 stones, but I'm focussing for the moment on changing my palate so I eat less junk by default and then I can move on to looking at calories.

EMUZ Tue 26-Mar-13 08:53:55

I've lost 9kg so far but I would like to drop another 2-3 stone
Food went awry owing to my other thread... Didn't eat bad food just didn't really eat

Breakfast today - berries and ff yog
Protein shake after workout
Not sure about lunch yet
Tea - probably beef casserole with sweet potato mash and veg

Bonners Tue 26-Mar-13 09:05:03

Morning all,
Zola, I try to run and go the gym but only manage once a week. Trying to shift a stone of "baby weight" (read: "cake weight") but mostly my focus is to feel healthier and more energetic. I signed up for a 5k in July to get myself motivated but thus far it's just stressing me out .
I'm not doing well on keeping off sugar as the saga of the poorly child continues and I'm off work yet again. But I'm bound and determined to kick it so will be back at it tomorrow. I know that I need to be able to face the knocks that come up in life without turning to sweets but need a good 2 weeks to let it embed.
Teacup, your meals sound lovely. Don't beat yourself up about the bread. Celebrate the successes!

TeaCupCrazy Tue 26-Mar-13 11:27:22

Morning all,

Im looking to lose 1 - 2 stone and just generally feel healthier. I was feeling great when i was doing shred so i really need to get back into it.

Im struggling with this now though. I had 2 packets of maltesers last night. I just cant honestly see me giving up chocolate full time. I like it blush I just don't want to eat as much or binge on it anymore. But its like smoking - I had to give cigarettes up completely. Having one cigarette is not an option. Wow I am feeling sorry for myself here lol and all over some chocolate!

ZolaBuddleia Tue 26-Mar-13 11:48:19

Blimey, only 1 - 2 stone! Call yourself a sugar addict, you should be ashamed of yourself! Lightweight. (Literally grin)

TeaCupCrazy Tue 26-Mar-13 11:59:40

Zola grin it is nearer 2 stone, i like to throw the 1 in there to make myself feel better. I did lose 6lbs in 2 weeks at the start of March when i was calorie counting and doing the shred, but i was exercising everyday and eating 1200 calories (1400 as long as i exercised). I felt better at the time but then it all went wrong and now I've put the 6lb back on sad.

ZolaBuddleia Tue 26-Mar-13 12:09:34

That's alright then, you can still be my friend.

RawCoconutMacaroon Tue 26-Mar-13 12:23:38

Teacup, you don't need to give up chocolate - but eat better chocolate!

I've lost over 6 stones low carbing and I each chocolate every single day shock! I highly recommend Aldies 85% dark, 100g bar comes wrapped in 20g portions (perfect size, only 5.4g carb).

Honestly, even if you are not that keen on dark chocolate, you will soon get used to it and you'll find rubbishy (standard) chocolate sickly over sweet and unsatisfactory.

For the long term, you need to find things you really like eating (dark chocolate, olive, different seeds and nuts...), you need to find things that make you feel treated without the sugar, so you don't feel deprived!

Dark chocolate is my big one, and moderate amounts of double cream for coffee, been doing this for years now and it doesn't seem like a diet, its a WOE! smile.

ZolaBuddleia Tue 26-Mar-13 12:54:11

Holy Moses! 6 stones!!!

Raw, can you give us an idea of what you eat? Are you doing low GI, or just no carbs?

RawCoconutMacaroon Tue 26-Mar-13 14:16:02

Zola, I started doing low carb (Atkins) about 6 or 7 years ago (starting to lose count!), it evolved into low gi (ie was eating fewer carbs and those I did eat were lower gi, mostly). That worked well initially as far as weight loss is concerned, but I have to say it was when I took a more radical step (cutting out grains, ALL grains!) a couple of years ago that I felt huge health improvement as well.

My WOE would be described as paleo, ancestral or lchf (low carb, high fat), depending on which country you are in... The three are pretty much the same. Google the terms and you will find lots of free info - there are books of course but you don't need to buy any to get the info!

What do I eat? As much as possible, unprocessed stuff I cook myself (the slow cooker is your friend, because its fast and easy to prepare, then you just forget about it for the rest of the day!). Lots of non starchy veg, salad leaves, fish poultry and meat, some starchy veg, carrots, onion and sweet potato. Dark chocolate, double cream, butter, nuts and seeds in moderation, berry fruits in moderation and other fruits and natural dries fruits in smaller amounts. Lots of salt, pepper and herbs.

Breakfast - meat or fish and a handful of nuts or berries (meat often left over from evening meal) with coffee and cream. Sometimes as a treat, seed, nuts and coconut "Muesli", or frittata I've cooked ahead for the weekend.

Lunch - typically I have a bed of salad leaves, with a chicken breast fried in butter or coconut oil with herbs, or tuna or pork steak.

Dinner - lots of roasts and slow cooked things. Cheaper cuts of meat cooked slow is an economical way to eat a high protein/low carb diet, whole chicken roasted, baked fish. Lots of non starchy veg, salad leaves. Cauliflower instead of rice/potato.

Snacks, very dark chocolate, nuts, seeds, fruits, some honey... Not in huge quantities of course.

No grains(bread cake etc obviously) potato, pulses, milk...

Radical? Maybe not! These are the foods we evolved to eat, it's not a new idea iykwim!

The thing with cutting carbs is, if you don't cut them back far enough, you will feel hungry, because you haven't cut back enough to stabilise blood sugar... Unfortunately, everyone is different, can cope with different amounts before going off the rails- it might be 50g, 100g, 150g a day - for me its about 50-60g a day, when I weighed more, I had to cut back to about 20g a day (but my insulin response/ blood sugar level was heading towards diabetic at that time).

The downside of paleo- it's not cheap, and people think its weird but it works for weight loss and health.

FrillyMilly Tue 26-Mar-13 18:08:55

I've got 1-2 stone to lose. Today I had omelette for breakfast, egg salad for lunch and dinner was chicken and quinoa casserole. Snacks were apple, almonds, yoghurt with blueberry and some veg sticks. All going so well until dd came home with an Easter egg so had a few pieces of that. I just cannot have chocolate in the house. I think I need to get some of that dark chocolate.

Exercise wise I try to do a 15-20 mile bike ride once a week but that's weather dependant. I also play netball once a week and am attempting the shred again.

RawCoconutMacaroon Tue 26-Mar-13 18:30:08

Frilly, the really dark stuff can be quite bitter if you are not used to it, your sweet tooth needs to adjust, I started with 70% and worked my way up to 85% as my tastes changed, so don't lose heart if you find it too strong to start with- try a slightly lower %.

I can take 90% but tbh it's not as satisfying as the 85 which has a good balance of flavours.

Waferthinmint Tue 26-Mar-13 18:36:47

I haven't read all replies but can 100% recommend the Harcombe diet. Google her website. It ended my sugar cravings and has been easy to follow.

FrillyMilly Tue 26-Mar-13 18:42:43

Raw I like dark chocolate. I was always the one who ate bournvilles in the Christmas tins as a child. Although not sure how dark that is so ill start with the 70%

RawCoconutMacaroon Tue 26-Mar-13 20:58:28

Ha, bournvile is strictly amateur! grin I think its only about 40%!

But I loved that when I was a kid too, tasted really strong to my taste buds then.

TeaCupCrazy Tue 26-Mar-13 21:54:05

After a lot of consideration no biscuits involved I have made the decision I have to change my tactics. Cold turkey isn't working. I really want to be able to eat chocolate and cakes in the future - I know that may sound pathetic but I really enjoy baking and its hard enough creating recipes around allergies without adding even more food stuffs to avoid.
My problem is self control. If I could control my want/need for more of the stuff I would be ok.
So I have decided to try distraction. I now realise my problem time is at night after work. So when I want to reach for a biscuit I am going to do 1 min of crunches or planks or something like that. I obviously spend too much time watching Jillian Michaels grin. I think taking myself away from the situation and focusing on something else will help. Lol it may not but Im going to try.
Can I stay in the group please? blush.

ZolaBuddleia Wed 27-Mar-13 09:01:40

Ha ha! Of course! grin

I think we are all united in trying to attack our sugar addiction, we're just opting for different tactics. We all seem to be doing a lot better than we were, which is the important thing IMO.

Raw, apart from your breakfast your daily diet looks delicious! I love meat, not keen on starchy veg and rice anyway, and love things like chicken breast and salad!

Hello all <waves>. May I join you? Pre-dc I was much more into savoury things, but am now a bit of a sugar fiend. I've also recently started to suffer from PMT, which I never used to get.
I've been reading about the evils of sugar on an interesting website by Dr Kathleen DesMaisons and am wondering if sugar highs and lows have been making me moody!
Anyway, have been off the sugar for a couple of days and already feel calmer! Will go and read rest of the thread now...

RawCoconutMacaroon Wed 27-Mar-13 15:36:13

Zola, and what's wrong with my breakfasts? grin!!

If I had more time in the morning I'd cook wheat free sausage mushroom and tomato but I have a toddler and 3 teens to sort out so rarely have time.

Most paleo recipe books encourage cooking larger roast/chickens to provide leftovers for breakfasts in a rush and it doesn't seem odd to me anymore to do that... Breakfast can be anything it doesn't have to be breakfast food!

This morning the teens had a big spoonful of paleo beef chilli each topped with a fried egg! That was leftovers from last night. Set them up for the day!

ZolaBuddleia Wed 27-Mar-13 18:04:08

Yes, I need to leave behind my love of cereal. Really not keen on warm food at breakfast time, but will work at it!

Bonners Wed 27-Mar-13 18:40:58

wow, lots of stuff to catch up on! Welcome newcomers.

Saga of poorly ds ongoing. Doc diagnosed viral gastroenteritisconfused.
No sugar todaygrin grin mostly due to having a large toddler on top of me for most of it. Contemplating large glass of wine though. Will post more later but thinking of thread and it's support is very helpful!

FrillyMilly Wed 27-Mar-13 20:40:18

Today I had porridge with almond milk. It was delicious! Normally I can't stand porridge without tons of sugar or syrup. I soaked the oats in the milk overnight.

Have you tried porridge with agave nectar instead of syrup/sugar? I just bought some and it's brilliant! Tastes lovely and it's low GI.

TeaCupCrazy Wed 27-Mar-13 23:25:26

Zola thanks

Hope you had a glass of wine Bonners you deserve one. You have done so well to stay away from sugar. Any idea how long the viral gastroenteritis should last? Hope your ds gets better soon.

Well I braved the shred at last tonight and jumped back in at level 3. It made me feel great. Much better than eating chocolate cake. I just have to focus on the exercise and the way it makes me feel and stay away from the chocolate! Ah, if only it was that simple grin.

Whats everyones plans for Easter? I will be baking with the Dc. I'm going to see if I can cut out some sugar from my chocolate cake and my biscuit recipes. No idea how i can do that - they already have no milk and no eggs so I may be pushing it a bit.

FrillyMilly Thu 28-Mar-13 07:05:12

I didn't shred last night but I went to the supermarket and bought the kids eggs (they are only little so have little novelty things rather than big eggs) and I managed to buy anything for myself. I didn't even venture near the cake aisle! The in store bakery is usually my downfall.

Over Easter I am going to try and stick with my healthy meals and just have some treats on Sunday. We will be baking a cake but I'm going to offer it to lots of people.

I can't imagine a life without cake and chocolate. I need to not have treats every day and work on portion control.

TeaCupCrazy Thu 28-Mar-13 21:33:05

Hi Frilly, well done staying away from the bakery and cake aisle. My big downfall is grabbing a chocolate bar at the supermarket. I end up eating it in the car in 5 seconds. I don't even taste it sometimes blush. I cant imagine life without cake or chocolate either grin. I think my life just needs to have less of them in it.

I've not been too good today but I have done the shred again, and I think I am starting to understand my eating habits more. I am always conscious now of what I am eating.

TeaCupCrazy Thu 28-Mar-13 21:39:23

Hi Holmes, I had a look at Agave nectar today. It looks like a good option. Im not sure if it was on this thread or another somewhere that someone mentioned a downside to it. Will have a look and see what i can find.

RawCoconutMacaroon Thu 28-Mar-13 22:14:02

Teacup, the downside is... It's fructose, and is concentrated so not great fro the pov that it bypasses the insulin response and is processed and stored in the liver- potentially leading to non alcoholic liver disease.
Replacing a lot of glucose in your diet with fructose would not be "healthier".
As an occasional treat, probably fine but not for frequent use. It has the same effect on the body as high fructose corn syrup.

Sadly we need to eat a lot less sugar - not change from one sugar to another!

Ooh - really, Raw? That's not so good. I thought I was onto a good thing! I really noticed the lack of a sugar hit after having agave nectar rather than honey on my porridge. I think that on days when I overeat, it is often as a result of having something sugary or white carby, which then makes me want to eat everything in sight, and the agave doesn't seem to have that trigger effect.

RawCoconutMacaroon Thu 28-Mar-13 23:28:31

That's because fructose doesn't spike blood sugar in the same way that glucose does, less spike means less crash later, as less insulin is produced, but that doesn't mean healthier, just different! The fructose is processed and stored in the liver... Over consumption causes liver damage... This is pretty difficult to do by eating real whole fruit(fructose), much easier to do if you have a lot of processed fruit juice, fructose syrups, fructose sugar produces (agave nectar for example).

snoworneahva Fri 29-Mar-13 06:55:31

I'm trying out a rule, it's remarkably simple but surprisingly hard to do.......I am only allowing myself to eat at the table, with no tv, radio, computer, reading material. Just you and the food and no other restriction, so if you want the sugar hit you can have it but you need follow the table rule with no distractions. I'm applying it to savoury too and I'm surprised by how much picking and eating I do while cooking - not tasting, tasting is fine, you can do that.

Just this one thing is such a hard habit to get used to but I think it's working, I try to say my affirmations every morning too.

I want to continue to eat sweet stuff I just want to eat less and I think this is working for me - slowly.

ZolaBuddleia Fri 29-Mar-13 07:54:23

Eating slowly is key when it comes to sweet things, definitely. I can wolf a bag of minstrels without really noticing but couldn't do the same with crisps.

snoworneahva Fri 29-Mar-13 08:39:47

Agree - last time I ate a bag of minstrels slowly I realised how little flavour they had apart from tasting sweet and stopped eating them. It was a revelation!

Hmm. Ok - what counts as a lot though, I wonder, Raw? I don't drink fruit juice and am using 2tsp agave nectar per day max.

ThatsNotAKnifeThatsASpoon Fri 29-Mar-13 09:08:53

Hi I am new to this thread but am watching with interest as I am a sugar fiend. Having read the thread though, can I ask a question?

What's actually wrong with diet fizzy drinks? As long as you don't let them prompt you to snack on sugary foods after drinking (by exercising some will power), what's the problem?

I find them great for satisfying a sugar craving but have read here and elsewhere that they're a big no-no?

FrillyMilly Fri 29-Mar-13 20:12:45

I've been good all day then ate 4 chocolate cornflake cakes.

Bonners Fri 29-Mar-13 20:39:23

hi knife,
I can't link to it but Google "dangers of diet drinks" and you will find loads of information. The article is quite illuminating.
IME diet drinks are very addictive but once you kick the habit they have a funny taste.

In other news, ds has recovered from tummy bug but I'm full of the cold. Visited posh bakery this aft and just crumbled. Ate a beautiful linzer tart and a marzipan thingy and then felt rubbish. To be fair, I got my period on top of having a cold so couldn't be arsed with sugar free. I wasn't going to post at all but figured that's a double fail for not being able to own up.
Ah well. Anyone got any tricks for avoiding crap food when life is stressed to the max?

Hhhmmmmm Thu 04-Apr-13 22:20:18

Hi all, was pointed in this direction from another thread. Am on day three of a cold turkey approach and feeling better, I think, mainly because I currently feel in control.

I agree with Bonners though. I'm worried about a time when I'm more stressed, as that is usually my flash point for binging on sweet things. Would be pleased to have some tips to try when it eventually happens!

One thing I think is helping (not sure if someone mentioned already) but drinking lots of water to help fill me up and distract from mindless snacking!

PinkCustard Sat 06-Apr-13 09:10:52

Hello, after reading up on low-carb and previously attempting (and failing) to give up sugar, I'm giving it another go! My ultimate aim is low-carb (have ordered the Harcombe book) but I know from past experience that would be too big a step from my high-sugar diet, so am starting with:

No sugar (Eek!! Am actually scared about this)
Giving up my daily glass of Pepsi Max
Limiting alcohol, trying none at all for 1st 2 weeks, then will see.

Started thinking about it yesterday, although starting properly today. Didn't have any sugary things all day yesterday but then shared a bag of Maltesers with DH in the eve. First proper day today.

Well done on making it to day 3 Hhhmmmmm Did you suffer headaches etc the first couple of days?

How is everyone else's gone suspiciously quiet since Easter..?!

PinkCustard Sat 06-Apr-13 20:15:46

Well I've survived day 1 and have felt surprisingly ok...going to the cinema tomorrow so will have to avoid the sweets!

RawCoconutMacaroon Sat 06-Apr-13 22:38:18

Cinema - the trick is, go prepared so you don't feel you are deprived while everyone is munching popcorn.

A handful of nuts or coconut chips and a cup of coffee from the cinima cafe is my usual...

Snacks- preferably raw and unprocessed, coffee preferably black or americano with only a little milk rather than latte, to keep the carbs down!

RawCoconutMacaroon Sat 06-Apr-13 22:42:42

And a handful, sadly, means a hand full, 30g, 40g or so... Not a massive bag, or they will all mysteriously disappear blush!

PinkCustard Sun 07-Apr-13 17:12:37

Thanks Coconut it was actually a Kids' Club screening at 10am so I had my breakfast late so was still full from that. I actually felt quite disgusted at the amount of smelly rubbish everyone around me was eating at that time in the morning!

Am feeling the urge for a sweet pick-me-up treat at the moment, but will ignore it and wait until dinner, which is creamy chicken and veg. Almost the end of day 2 without any sugar - for me, that is momentous!

TeaCupCrazy Mon 08-Apr-13 12:30:30

Hello everyone,
Glad to see the fight against sugar is still underway.
Im still on my exercise plan and that seems to be helping me. I have a focus now which motivates me to stay away from sugar or at least have 1 of something instead of binging. Im back on MFP too which helps me a great deal. Im still eating the odd biscuit, sweet etc but i feel more in control now.

Hhhmmmmm Mon 08-Apr-13 18:55:00

Hellos! Am on day 7 of no sugar (and no caffeine, no bread, no alcohol, reduced carbs) and guess what? I've lost nine pounds - NINE! I'm in shock and thrilled and been given enough motivation to keep going as long as possible!! grin

Pinkcustard I didn't experience any head aches but I have been drinking upto 4 lots of 500ml bottles of water. So 2 litres over the day. Could that help?

RawCoconutMacaroon Good tips on the cinema. We love to go as a family but normally involves loads of sweets so was dreading it. I have a strategy now, thanks! wink

Hhhmmmmm Mon 08-Apr-13 18:56:32

Teacupcrazy I'm back on My fitness pal this week and it really helps me too smile

RawCoconutMacaroon Tue 09-Apr-13 14:24:21

Well done Hhhmmmmm! grin. A fantastic start.

I'm sure the water does help withdrawal headaches etc but I suspect that a lot of people get them because they are intolerant to some of the food they are eating/drinking... Caffeine withdrawal would be the classic example! I avoid that by keeping my caffeine intake nice and regular grin, can't give up all my vices!

Hhhmmmmm Tue 09-Apr-13 21:30:19

Lol RawCoconutMacaroon at keeping caffeine intake nice and regular. Maybe I've just been lucky with no intolerances.

The thing I noticed this morning was that I woke naturally before everyone else in the house and felt refreshed, despite being up in the night with my youngest. That NEVER usually happens (the waking up refreshed bit). And believe me I like my sleep!

Hello all (and a special hello to Hhhmmmmm from the c25k thread :-) )

I'm almost 2 weeks now into a radical cut-down in sugar. Days 1 and 2 were very difficult but I just tried to remember it's an addiction I am breaking. I do feel better for it - skin especially feels clearer and I think I have more energy. I certainly feel more in control. Am combining with exercise (hence the c25k thread), which helps.

I am now experimenting with eating a small amount of sugary food, to see if I can do it without completely falling off the wagon... had a biscuit the other day in a work meeting, and managed quite easily to say no to number 2 and actually was a bit meh about the taste, having got my body more used to natural sweet flavours such as fruit.

I'm also making sure I always have good healthy food on hand (nuts, fruit etc) as snacks. I particularly like these for that mid-afternoon energy dip / hunger:

food doctor bars

I'm sure they do have sugar in, but also lots of seeds and good stuff which I'm sure must counteract it.

I am focusing as much as possible on the positive benefits of having a wholesome, healthy diet, rather than any idea of depriving myself of stuff I like, which would be doomed to eventual failure.

MommyUpNorth Wed 01-May-13 11:11:35

Just wondering if anyone is still working on cutting out the sugar? I stumbled across this thread yesterday when looking for articles on sugar addiction.

On Monday I started (yet again!) the cutting out of all soda. I usually have at least 1 glass a day (sometimes 2). May not sound a lot now, but I have been gradually cutting down for years, but then get a raging headache and feel so unwell that I normally 'just have a little sip'... and then fall off the wagon all over again!

Have always wanted to eat healthier but then spend so much time reading up on it and getting confused by all the different 'diets' that get lumped into healthy eating.

Sugar is probably my biggest issue. I can't say if I would want to cut it out entirely, or want to cut all carbs, or just cut down a bit! I know I'd like to make a start on it, and would love to find somewhere where people are discussing yummy snacks and recipes so that I can focus on the great things involved with this rather than thinking about everything I 'can't' have!

Today I didn't have my normal morning coffee (with milk & sugar), and opted for tea (splash of milk). Had an apple with that. Just had a rice cake with peanut butter & another cup of tea for a wee snack. Not sure where I'm going with this, but thought I'd post here and see where it leads!

LucettaTempleman Wed 01-May-13 11:26:47

I've just started to cut right down on sugar.
I feel unwell when I do eat it, because I tend to eat large amounts, but also when I don't eat it I get some sort of withdrawal symptoms.
I don't drink soft drinks, don't take sugar in my tea or coffee, but I DO eat lots of sweets and chocolate.

I've started a new eating plan today because I need to lose weight. It's not low carb, but it does cut sugar to a minimum.

Sugar is everywhere, it's in most processed foods. Good luck to everyone who's trying to deal with this.

NinaPatel70 Wed 01-May-13 11:46:08

Here is the biggest tip that really helps to cut down on sugar in your drinks...

Have a sip BEFORE you put sugar in. Then put in half a spoon less. Even keep it swilling around in your mouth while you add the sugar. This will dull your taste buds, acclimatise your mouth to the actual unsweetened drink, then provide a satisfying reward when you DO sip the slightly less sweetened version.

It only takes a few days or week of this to change your taste expectations, then you can cut out the "pre-drink bitter taste stage"

IT WORKS! brew

LucettaTempleman Wed 01-May-13 11:52:51

That's very good advice Nina. It's been 30 years since I had sugar in my tea and coffee and I can't really remember how I went from 2 tsps in each to none, but the point is, ask anyone who has done it and they say that they can't drink tea or coffee with sugar in now. I love sugar but tea and coffee taste revolting now if they have any sugar in them.

MommyUpNorth Wed 01-May-13 12:00:32

Lucetta, I'm really sensitive to any sugar in my tea. I've always had it with just milk, but if my daughter stirs her tea (with sugar) & then stirs mine I can tell straight away!

Just made up a big batch of hash browns (with onion & cheese) and popped it in the oven... will have for lunch today with bacon & eggs, and then portion up the rest for meals throughout the week.

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