New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - The Final Weigh-In!

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BIWI Mon 18-Mar-13 08:27:31

So here it is - come and weigh in for the last time and tell us how much you've lost in Bootcamp.

The Spreadsheet of Fabulousness is here

barleywood Mon 18-Mar-13 08:34:04

Morning BIWI grin

To repeat my post on last thread......lightest I have been in over 30 years smile

Can't thank you all for the encouragement and support over the last nine months

Especially you BIWI...your enthusiasm is inspiring

flowers flowers flowers


thanks for the new thread!

BIWI Mon 18-Mar-13 09:05:08


My pleasure. But the hard work is all yours. Really, really well done. thanks

EwanHoozami Mon 18-Mar-13 09:11:03

There have been some fantastic results, everyone should be bloody proud. Even though the foods that we can eat make this WOE a joy, it's still a huge achievement to stick to doing something differently in a way that to begin with can seem so counter-intuitive.

So for everyone who's overcome old habits, read up on the science and shifted some wobbly bits... Huzzah! thanks

Having said that, my passage of nature is a little hindered so with that and being due on I'm not jolly well weighing today blush

BlackAffronted Mon 18-Mar-13 09:25:54

Weighed again today, and no weight gain from the rice ... so my final weightloss is 1 stone 8 lbs woohoo!

barleywood Mon 18-Mar-13 09:27:44

Well done Black flowers

STS for the final week - which if I am honest I did not really deserve to do, with the last few days involving slight detours including a McD's milkshake, Victoria sponge, crumpets with jam and some veggie lasagne. But it just goes to show that you can have the occasional lapse (I hope). More determined than ever to stick with it, have lost just shy of 10lbs and I look much trimmer.

So, by the start of next bootcamp I would like to be 11st 7 (12st 4 today). That's 11lbs in 6 weeks, reasonable?

And thanks to every single one of you for the support and companionship. Long may it continue!

BlackAffronted Mon 18-Mar-13 09:30:15


I just want to say, I wouldnt have stuck it out without you all, the invaluable advice, the stick beatings and the frowning at my foot stompings when I didnt like what the scales said grin I really would have given up weeks ago. You guys rock!

barleywood Mon 18-Mar-13 09:34:08

grin at the 'foot stompings'

Lavenderhoney Mon 18-Mar-13 09:34:43

well i have lost a stone! now 64.9kg! thanks to BIWI -amazing thread and support from you all.

I'll be back later with more but thanks againsmile

LavenderBriggs Mon 18-Mar-13 09:45:38

Morning all.

When I first started I wanted to lose 10lb - but I didn't think it was possible for me to go below 9 stone 7 - no reason, just a mental block. Final weigh in is 9 stone 4. I've gone from 140lb to 130lb. There's the 10lb gone, there's the under 9 stone 7.

My IBS is about 95% better. I can run more easily. And my breakfast makes me very happy every morning.

I've also learnt that I don't have to snack and nibble throughout the day - I don't think about food outside of planning breakfast lunch and dinner.

I'm happy not drinking alcohol - the nice parts don't compensate for the bad parts (and I'm not messing up my daily carb count for a glass of red grin).

The only thing that I could think of to comment on is the way that the thread moves so quickly that some comments are missed - is there a way of 'mopping up' unanswered questions?

Lastly (yay!), you lot have been fantastic. BIWI and Willie deserve huge thanks for being so welcoming in the first place and then so patient and helpful. You have changed people's lives.

i have to admit this hasn't been the most successful of bootcamps for me, which is nothing to do with bootcamp and everything do with my own behaviour!

but nevertheless it has been brilliant to weather it with new and old bootcampers, so thanks to all of you for your support and help.

and thanks too to BIWI for everything as always thanks

i hasten to add, my final weigh-in is 5lb down over ten weeks, and my weight is reasonably close to goal, so an average loss of 0.5lb per week shouldn't really be sniffed at i suppose, and it is a sustainable rate too!

carbalanche Mon 18-Mar-13 09:49:36

STS this week after last week's spectacular 8 pound loss. Not disappointed as I lapsed a bit this week with a few glasses of Prosecco and I ate stuffing with my roast chicken and ate a Comic Relief cupcake!

Total loss for the 10 weeks is 15.5 pounds - am now 12st 7.5.

I really need to continue with this. When I successfully low-carbed over 2 years ago I got down to 9st 13.

Thanks to BIWI and congrats to all those who have benefitted from this stint on Bootcamp.

See you at the next Bootcamp when I will hopefully be at a starting weight in the region of 11st 12.

halfthesize Mon 18-Mar-13 10:06:04

Thanks for the thread BIWI and some fantastic losses, well done all.

I have not been so good this Bootcamp due to RL really getting in the way, however as of today I am going to be superstrict to try and shed a few pounds by DD1 21stgrin

Its foggy, grey and freezing here after alot of snow yesterday, seriously I need the spring to start ASAP!!

thenightsky Mon 18-Mar-13 10:11:05

A total loss of 20lb for me!! Thank you for all the support over the last 10 weeks, I couldn't have done it without you guys flowers

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Mon 18-Mar-13 10:18:59

12 lbs off in total for me, but I never started until week four so I am delighted.

I'm feeling great, looking far more trim, have delicious food and best of all don't spend my life thinking about when I am next going to eat.

Thanks to everyone on this thread, I'm another that couldn't ahve done it without you all.

teaandthorazine Mon 18-Mar-13 10:28:55

Since I only restarted in the middle of last week's thread, am not going to boast of major weight or inch loss! But I weighed this morning at 10st 10lb and will be endeavouring to get down to anything under 10 stone by my 40th birthday in July. I think that's a very gentle and more importantly realistic goal!

I love this WOE and am so pleased to be back eating this way. It's great to see so many people enjoying a low-carb lifestyle. I think that low-carb is slowly starting to turn the tide; it will become more and more mainstream as people realise what a pleasurable and sensible way it is to eat. I know we are still battling the 'eat less, move more/calories in, calories out' brigade but I have hope! Put it this way - when driving up to Scotland a few weeks ago we stopped off at a service station - advertising 'low-carb cooked breakfasts'! We're getting there grin

Well done everyone so far - onwards and scales downwards!

ooh where was that do you remember teaandthorazine?

i agree it is so fantastic to hear people not only losing weight but also enthusiastic about what they're eating and how they're feeling in themselves

They do those low carb breakfasts at Fleet services, have had a fair few since January smile

I don't get to a place with scales until Friday, so have put myself down as STS again. No idea if I've lost anything in the past few weeks, but I know I've stuck to my plan and not cheated (apart from a planned diversion into vodka yesterday, 'cos it was St Patrick's Day!). I'll weigh myself on Saturday morning and see how I've done.

NoelHeadbands Mon 18-Mar-13 12:01:18

Like Willie, this hasn't been a hugely successful bootcamp for me this time, which I take full responsibility for! Still I'm down 4lbs from the start of the year and I'm ready now to knuckle down, now that Xmas (and Xmas food!) is a distant memory.

I think I'm also going to have to face up to the fact that caffeine seems to be a loss staller for me sad. I'm going cold turkey now and will see if it makes a difference next week.

thanks to BIWI and Willie for all their hard work, and to everyone else for the chats, recipes, laughs and inspiration thanks

Bessie123 Mon 18-Mar-13 12:17:49

I have sts this week, despite the 2 pieces of flour less chocolate cake, soba noodles and 2 glasses of red I had yesterday blush. I would have liked to lose more this bootcamp but I wasn't strict enough and 10lbs is an ok weight loss, I think. Everyone was telling me yesterday how much thinner I looked.

I am looking forward to the next few weeks and continuing inspiration from all of you... grin

BIWI Mon 18-Mar-13 12:39:24

10lbs is brilliant, Bessie - well done! thanks

Sorelip Mon 18-Mar-13 13:27:41

Well, I gained weight, due to being a carb pig, and not having the guts to come back to the thread for an arse kicking. However, I restarted yesterday and hope to be 10lb down by the time bootcamp starts again. BIWI, thank you, and I can't wait for bootcamp to start again!

Kiriwawa Mon 18-Mar-13 13:51:05

On Saturday night I went to a 50th birthday party and ate canapes and drank lots of vodka and ff tonic. I also stayed at a friend's house and had a bowl of cereal with milk at breakfast.

By lunchtime yesterday, I had such bad cramps/intestinal spasms, I had to go and get some anti-spasmodic medicine before I could drive

I thought it was stress related but could it be because I ate carbs? shock <penny drops>

I haven't weighed today but fully expect to have STS. I haven't been that good on the booze front tbh but now I have no social occasions for a good few weeks so I'm going to be ubergood and try and shift a good few pounds before bootcamp starts again.

Iamaslummymummy Mon 18-Mar-13 15:56:04

My weigh in will be Wednesday.I think it will be a 7 lb loss but as I was already just in the healthy range I'm happy with that. At 150lb I have a BMI of 23.5. I've lost the massive pregnant looking stomach. Gone from 38 "round the belly button to 30" Levi curve id jeans :D

Dh is on about a stone and a half loss even with multiple breaches of beer. He is a convert as am I. Ds has aspergers and there its no way I'm going to get him to eat real food.

Thank you all for your support and your postings. I haven't kept up much to support you due to my own health issues but heres hoping this woe continues to give me improvements.

colette Mon 18-Mar-13 16:27:57

Well done Iamaslummymummy.
I have sts , seem to lose focus around the weekend .
Thanks Biwi , wwd and all the others. I want to continue with this woe . Still lost 6lb, only really want to lose another 6lb ( and tone up ) so will keep going .

Ruprekt Mon 18-Mar-13 16:34:16

<<walks in with tears streaming down face and wailing loudly>>

Where will you go Biwi and Willie? shockshockYou will be LOST without us and the spreadsheet and us asking questions and general chit chat!

A plan I have stayed with for 10 weeks. No real thought or desire to cheat, no more obsession when I will next be eating or thinking of food all day.

Thanks so much to all of you thanksthanks

You have been marvellous and I have lost 16 lbs!!!!

<<wipes drippy nose and leaves>>

sybilfaulty Mon 18-Mar-13 16:50:09

Well done to everyone on some truly fantastic losses.

I am joining willie and Noel on the not quite successful step. Lots of things have for in the way of losing lots, but I have eaten well, lost my Christmas excess and enjoyed every mouthful.

Looking forward to doing better in bikini boot camp.

Thanks to BIWI and WWD, plus all you lovely ladies for the laughs and chat.

QuickLookBusy Mon 18-Mar-13 16:50:58

Well done everyonethanks

I've lost another half pound which takes me to a grand total of 10 pounds. The lowest I've been since dd was born 22 years ago! My DH is still low carbing- he's lost over a stone, and still has a bit to go.

Thank you to everyone for all your inspirational meal ideas, recipes and photos. Thank you especially to BIWI for waving her big stick when we needed it and encouragement and hair stroking when we needed that!

The biggest thing I'll take away form these 10 weeks is the knowledge that it is carbs and not fat that should be eaten in moderation in order to have a healthy diet.

QuickLookBusy Mon 18-Mar-13 16:52:16

Sorry and of course Willie for her spreadsheets and great advice.

Yama Mon 18-Mar-13 17:58:23

A total loss of 7lbs for me.

I am incredibly full tonight after a pork belly spicy coconut stew. There's nothing for it but to sit down on the sofa for a wee while. Dh is going to make me a cup of peppermint tea.

Well done everyone! Good to have joined you. I won't be going anywhere by the way.

middleagedspread Mon 18-Mar-13 18:03:34

I've found you...
Desperately seeking low carb advise.
Any help gratefully received.

barleywood Mon 18-Mar-13 18:11:47

Hello MAS

I am more of a lurker than a poster but I am sure that someone will be along soon.

I have been following this WOE for almost 9 months and I love it.

Lots of advice and support.....and stick waving [grins] on this thread.

Plenty of real information but my rule of thumb is pretty much meat and two veg....neither of which is potato.

Other than that there are some tricky moments......snacking on the run is difficult if you are used to sandwiches but there are plenty of inventive alternatives. You just need to prepare.

Breakfast is another one, especially if you are used to cereal and toast. Same principle as above. Be inventive and prepare.

middleagedspread Mon 18-Mar-13 18:22:17

Thanks Barley. Therein lies my problem. I can do meat & 2 veg (adding starchy carbs for the rest of my family) but it's the lunches & snacks that I struggle with.
What do you have for lunch? Scrambled eggs/ omelette is fine at weekends but I just can't eat salad, ham & avocado every week day. About 2 hours later I'm starving.
I shall embrace all advice as I feel highly motivated & my jeans are too tight

SavoirFaire Mon 18-Mar-13 18:22:24

Thanks everyone for being so helpful. I'm a stone down in total and DH is also down a bit over a stone. We are basically doing a good job of sticking to the WOE during the week and plan to continue although our weekend discretions have got worse in the last few weeks. I wanted to hit 9 stone and in fact have got to 8 stone 9 - lighter than anytime in the last 7 or 8 years - and I am very happy at that weight. I think I can probably get a bit lower if I am stricter and I plan to keep weighing in weekly and perhaps do the next bootcamp as well.

I've also learned a lot - particularly about sugar addiction and whatnot, for which I am very grateful. I am a firm convert to the idea that it is sugar, not fat, which makes us fat. Having said that, I do still rather enjoy the odd bit of chocolate and wine

barleywood Mon 18-Mar-13 18:31:33

MAS Lunch is very often vegetable soup or, a particular favourite at the moment, tuna mayonaise on little gem lettuce.

Likewise egg mayo...are you seeing a pattern here?

I also love goats cheese, sometime with a handful of walnuts, although you do need to be careful with nuts.

Cold chicken, feta cheese, olives...I could go on

Snacks on the run are Babybels and a handful of macadamia nuts. You just need to work out what works for you. It does get easier the more you do

timidviper Mon 18-Mar-13 18:36:52

I haven't been terribly successful either but I know this is a time of year when I am rarely brilliant. The difference with this WOE is that I am carrying on and my head is in the right place for long term success, which has never happened before.

queribus Mon 18-Mar-13 19:01:46

I've got sickness bug so haven't weighed in but I've lost 15lbs overall, so really pleased.

teaandthorazine Mon 18-Mar-13 19:03:20

MAS - if I'm feeling organised I'll take in leftovers from the night before. But more often than not it's cold chicken, olives, cheese, sashimi if it's payday grin. The supermarkets do sandwich fillers that (while a bit processed) can be handy -egg mayo/prawn cocktail etc. Have them with chunky slices of cucumber or wrapped in lettuce leaves. Nuts are fine as long as they're not coated in sugar and you go easy on them.

captainmummy Mon 18-Mar-13 19:03:32

MAS = if you are hungry 2 hours later, you are not eating enough fat! Put mayo in your salad, or oil dressing. Hve you read the rules? They should be on a tab at the bottom of the spreadsheet.

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Mon 18-Mar-13 19:18:56

I STS this past week which was really disappointing - I have been very very good, I haven't cheated at all - not one morsel. So in order not to start freaking out (that this doesn't work for me, like so many other things haven't) this week is (Keeping the Faith & drinking plenty of) WATER week. I'm not changing anything else - just that (else I change loads and have no idea what it is that's helping/doing damage).

I've given away for good 18lbs in about 8 weeks, but some of that was pre low carbing and most of it in the first four weeks (12lb), this past four weeks has been very slow (6lb). I have LOADS to give away - so it should be going quicker than this <sigh>

Timid - mine was too, I braved out the STS weeks pre-period, during period, weeks 3-5 etc etc but the non arrival of the woosh fairy has freaked me out a bit - I can't afford for this not to work for me sad

SO, anyway, as I said this week is Keeping The Faith & WATER week smile

middleagedspread Mon 18-Mar-13 19:23:46

captain. The Spreadsheet rules are brilliant, a wonderful prescription. I think I'll print them out. T&T, left over is a great idea & can be filling.
I think I'll do Bootcamp light.
A couple of questions
What about (shop bought) coleslaw? The one in my fridge says high fat, low sugar, but no mention of carb content.
Can you have gravy? I normally use meat juices & flour with some stock, but I'm guessing the flour is a no no.

BlackAffronted Mon 18-Mar-13 19:35:58

MAS, i make my own coleslaw, easier to control and tastes wayyy better smile As for gravy, I just reduce the meat juices down with some stock. No need for flour.

MAS there are lots of tried and tested recipes here and BIWI has put together good info here, here and here

Bootcamp light is great, but do consider doing bootcamp proper for a couple of weeks as it really does help you get into the swing of it and make a clean break from the carbs

I agree with blackaffronted about coleslaw - homemade is best, but shop bought should list the carbs on the label? Check how much they're saying the nutritional info is for - I've been caught out with portion sizes before

I reduce gravy down too

Marking place!

middleagedspread Mon 18-Mar-13 20:03:13

Brilliant, I feel really inspired, thank you.

WillieWEggledEgger Mon 18-Mar-13 20:06:20

Good oh! You'll be posting your own recipes before you know it!

halfthesize Mon 18-Mar-13 20:13:05

Well done on all the losses thanks

<coughs loudly> Mumat39 don't forget my curry recipe... wink

LittleFrieda Mon 18-Mar-13 20:38:25

Marking place

Iamaslummymummy Mon 18-Mar-13 20:39:07

yama spicy pork belly stew recipe please grin

timidviper Mon 18-Mar-13 20:45:31

MyHead Keep the faith! We know this works, it is just a matter of time <sings we will overcome!>

I ate fish and chips at lunchtime (went out for Mum's birthday and she chose where we went so no option!) but it wasn't as nice as I'd have hoped so I won't be tempted by that again any time soon which is a positive result for me. If I was still on SW I'd be thinking Feck it and inhaling food by now!

Look for the small victories and, in time, they'll add up!

Yama Mon 18-Mar-13 21:22:13

I just chopped and fried the pork belly in coconut oil, added a couple of chopped courgettes and then a tin of coconut milk, cayenne pepper, chicken stock and seasoning. Oh, I chucked in a couple of handfuls of spinach towards the end. Served with steamed brocolli.

It was very runny - the type of thing you would only serve to your immediate family. However, they scoffed the lot.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Mon 18-Mar-13 21:26:17

timid - chips sound good smile I hope that when the time comes and I have one or two I'll feel the same - but it's very hard to imagine grin

Here's a rope to help you climb back up onto the wagon &&&&&&&&&&

Yama Mon 18-Mar-13 21:31:42

Oh, and smoked paprika to give it colour.

gloriafloria Mon 18-Mar-13 22:04:58

Well done everyone, we've done it! My goal was to shed 1 stone by May. Well I've lost just over 20lbs in 10 weeks. I've shrunk and look and feel fantastic, (if I do say so myself!) love this way of eating and this coming from a girl whose previous diet was shamefully 95% carbs. Have had such great compliments and many enquiries about what diet I'm on. Funniest of all is the amount of times I've been asked how much it costs per week! When I say nothing I can see the confused look spread across their faces grin

Thank you so much BIWI and Willy and all of you for the threads , spreadsheet and support. Although I have not been on here much due to real life commitments I have checked in each week and really couldn't have done so well without you. Thanks a mill xxx

gloriafloria Mon 18-Mar-13 22:24:21

Meant to add I've gone under the 9st mark (scraped it!) but this is lowest I've been since having the children so really chuffed. Have had a lot of upheaval these last few weeks and it has not always been possible to avoid carbs (other people kindly cooking for us so couldn't be fussy!) So even with these lapses I've stayed on track. Now at my ideal weight so will be working on maintaining.

BecauseImWoeufIt Mon 18-Mar-13 23:58:44

I love, love, love all these posts! grin

I'm so pleased to hear about all these fabulous losses. Need to get my own arse into gear now, that's for sure.

Have not had time to read the thread so just posting and running - sorry - got that job so all has been very hectic!

But am 12 pounds down all in all which I'm thrilled about - thanks BIWI for the WOE! thanks

And well done all round to everyone! You're all brilliant!!!! And I couldn't have done it without all your support, inspiration and brilliant recipes.

Will join you all on the chat thread once things calm down a bit.

Ooh BIWI loving the Easter name!

WillieWEggledEgger Tue 19-Mar-13 07:39:30

Well done choos - hope the job is going ok and the additional arrangements you had to make are working smoothly!

I arrived at work half an hour ago to find that the meeting room I am using today has been moved from one end of the building to the other practically overnight! I was standing staring at the hot desks where the room used to be just going 'shit'!

LittleFrieda Tue 19-Mar-13 08:36:58

Had a small bar of Prestat chocolate last night and it was heavenly. It was only 2. Something grammes of carbs in its entirety.

LittleFrieda Tue 19-Mar-13 10:26:50

Quick, someone say something to hide my chocolate confession. It is OK to have the odd bit of low carb chocolate isn't it? blush

BlackAffronted Tue 19-Mar-13 11:25:30

grin LF! Sounds yummy.

Ive just put an oxtail stew in the oven, to slow cook all day. Im already looking forward to my dinner!

Still doing this leptin reset thing, going great so far. No snacking at all, and can go hours between meals.

JakeBullet Tue 19-Mar-13 11:32:28

It's been a hectic weekend and a bit Carby. Today I am back on the straight and narrow. I the resting that it takes just a few too many carbs to reignite my sweet craving though hmm.

Drinking loads of water and had one square of 70% cocoa solid dark chocolate. Might go back to Bootcamp rules for a few days as no way am I undoing the good work I have done so far.

Pork do I get them all crackling skinned? Do I need to score them as I would with crackling? That's my dinner tonight....had a BAB.....2 rashers of bacon and a fried egg.....okay so not that BAB but I just can't do it lol.

Exhausted today due to too much red wine with a friend last night. No sympathy needed as I don't deserve it [brin]

Distraught this morning after DH went into the village and found there were NO EGGS!!! It's the post-Paddy's Day effect - hopefully some will be delivered later today. In the meantime I'm about to go make home made Stilton burgers for breakfast/brunch, whilst muttering to myself about the lack of eggs.

prettybird Tue 19-Mar-13 12:11:13

Yaaay smile After choosing not to register yesterday's weight after my first wobble in 6 weeks while dh was away in Paris I drank plenty of water yesterday and was very good and I am happy to say that this morning's weigh-in was 11 stone and 1lb. That's a lost of two stone and one pound since Boot Camp started shockshockgrin

Only 2 more pounds to go before 6 April (my 52nd birthday) and I'll make what I thought was an unachievable my goal of breaking 11 stone by then! smilesmile

Congrats to everyone and many many thanks to BIWI and Willy et al who provided support and wielded when necessary the big stick.

Dh ( handsomebird )has put on 3lb but then he was in in Paris for the weekend for the rugby game and a few beers were partaken of wink

Probably a bit naughty, but I've updated the sheet again this morning as lost 2lbs overnight and in my mind that was just the excess wine from Saturday night going away again. So am going to make it nearly 12lbs lost in bootcamp (please don't tell me I am being delusional BIWI)

Am off for lunch of DP's coleslaw which he has become a total expert at, with a bit of salami and maybe some cheeky brie.

prettybird 2 stone is AMAZING!

prettybird Tue 19-Mar-13 14:24:42

Just measured my waist again (using a belt and which notch I used at the start and which notch I use now as a proxy) and I have lost over TEN centimetres shock smile

I love this WOE! smile

BecauseImWoeufIt Tue 19-Mar-13 15:15:25


Bloody well done!

littlermissstan - I like your slight/subtle name change! - not delusional at all. If that's what the scales said, then that's what the scales said!

LittleFrieda Tue 19-Mar-13 15:50:49

Pretty bird - wow, you have done amazingly well.

Littlermisstan - well done!

BlackAffronted Tue 19-Mar-13 18:00:19

Oh my gosh, oxtail stew is amazing! All the fat & sinew breaks down into an unctious sauce and the meat just melts. Just had a bowlful, and have some left for tomorrow. Really was fatastic, and probably very good for this woe due to all the melted, luscious fat that was in it grin

carbalanche Tue 19-Mar-13 18:04:42

Another one saying amazing work to Prettybird. I had a look at the spreadsheet and can see that your weightloss has been so consistent and steady. It seems that you were able to have a weekly loss of about 2-3 pounds almost every week which I am so envious of smile.

I hope you don't mind me asking but what did you do to achieve this? (and I can hear BIWI's voice in my ear shouting "she stuck to the rules!!!")

I managed to lose 15.5 pounds but had 3 consecutive weeks of gain (a total of 7.5 pounds) which I then had to get back off again. Personally my weakness is alcohol which then leads to bad food choices.

Would love to hear how you found the diet and whether you made lots of different meals. I feel I could be a little more adventurous with my own cooking!

If you care to share that would be great but no worries if you don't want to!

Well done to everyone else and thanks again to BIWI thanks thanks

prettybird Tue 19-Mar-13 18:57:18

I think the key thing was that I really cut back on my alcohol. Obviously I had the two weeks of Boot Camp (except for a slight aberration on Burns Night wink) but after that I only had a couple of small glasses of wine most weeks. Dh joining me on Boot Camp a few weeks later also helped, as of course he had to go through the full initial two weeks "no alcohol" of full Boot Camp, I joined him in that. Also, if he was tasting wine (he's studying to be a Master of Wine) and his study buddy had brought up a wine I didn't like, I chose not to drink it (previously I would just have drunk it 'cos it was there). Likewise, if it was one of dh's wines that I had tried before, I didn't feel such a strong need to have a large glass - a small glass would do, as I know I can have more later.

I seem to be one of the fortunate ones that is dairy tolerant, as if I feel the need to snack, I'll have a cheese triangle or a Babybel or a tiny sliver of parmesan or a wee portion of greek yoghurt. I've also cheated and continued to drink far too much tea (Darjeeling/Earl grey mix) with milk in it I have changed our milk to full fat.

We've had quite a few roast chickens in the past 10 weeks, which I do in the chicken brick and have lovely crispy skin. Amongst the three of us, we get at least three meals out of that: hot, cold, and then broth made from the stock from the bones and neeps (swede), leeks and a couple of carrots added - and all the rest of the chicken stripped from the bones that had been used to make the stock - plus the left over chicken jus that is produced in the chicken brick. That's usually our Wednesday night supper - and if there is any soup left over, possibly Thursday lunchtime.

Have been having loads of eggs, cream (have even snacked on clotted cream together with a few frozen raspberries shock), butter, avocados (avocado, bacon and green salad with oily dressing is a favourite lunch). Frittata with parmesan and leeks is another favourite, either for lunch or a light supper.

I've also been doing the Jillian Daniel's 30 Day Shred or "Ripped in 30" 5 days a week (although had a nearly a fortnight "off" with a chest infection that wouldn't lift) - and always made sure to weigh myself after wards, and not drinking too much until I'd done so blush

I also tried to get a better sleep pattern (I'd been guilty of falling asleep on the couch and finally going through to bed at two or three in the morning well after midnight, much to dh's irritation). I now try to be in bed before midnight every night (up at 7.30, when dh has got the breakfast stuff ready - he's a morning person, I'm not wink). I've also been trying to make sure to go out for a half hour walk every day (oops - didn't do that today blush).

Breakfast is usually Lidl yoghurt with some cream and a few blueberries if I have some in the house (none at the moment) and some cinnamon. Alternatively, it might be boiled eggs or scrambled eggs with cream and maybe some bacon (if I can get up a wee bit earlier - I'm the better scrambled egg maker grin).

Last night we had king prawns with sliced leeks, garlic and a wee bit of lemon juice then some cream cooked in with it and finished off with some yoghurt, served with buttery shredded savoy cabbage.

Tonight we're having pork belly and probably some buttery cauliflower (dh likes cauli as his "potato" substitute) and maybe broccoli or mashed neeps (with yet more butter)

I've noticed that the composting bin has been filling up much more quickly - which is indicative of more veg.

Also had ribeye steak with boursin and cream a couple of times (Lidl had some good offers on), served with shallots and buttery savoy cabbage (and in dh's case, buttery mushrooms ugh ).

In the early days, I also "snacked" on bags of pork scratching but haven't felt the need to do so so much any more. Maybe because I'm on Boot Camp Lite and can have a few nuts. I always have two brazil nuts after my exercises to boost my selenium.

I've not been perfect my any means: I make home made chicken nuggets (since Lidl stopped doing their nice frozen one) and the coating is half and half parmesan and (homemade from a whole loaf that no-one ate ) breadcrumbs. I've taken the pragmatic view that if I've been "good" the rest of the day, I'll be ok with what is probably only a tablespoon of breadcrumbs - and as it was homemade, it doesn't have the massive amount of sugar and he accelerated yeast process of shop-bought sliced bread.

Does that help carbalanche ?

And no, I'm not going to admit that today after my weigh in I've succumbed to a few too many pieces of tablet that I made for a MN meet-up yesterday. Oh no, not me blushblush

BlackAffronted Tue 19-Mar-13 19:50:02

Awe-inspiring Pretty smile

BlackAffronted Tue 19-Mar-13 19:50:31

My teeth actually tingle when eating tablet <shudder>

Doshusallie Tue 19-Mar-13 20:14:53

Marks place

Tigglette Tue 19-Mar-13 22:05:19

It's so nice to read how everyone has done - so many really good results! Pretty bird, you've done amazingly well, good for you.

I started a couple of weeks late so still have 2 weight ins to go to get to 10 weeks but I've lost 16lbs thus far despite having a couple of slips due to work travel. I plan to continue while waiting for next Bootcamp - I've not posted much but have got lots of good ideas and support just from reading how everyone is doing.

Thanks BIWI for all your good advice and general low carb expertness and to willie for the spreadsheet (which I may actually join next time).

ecuse Tue 19-Mar-13 22:06:18

May I drop in and say hello? I've been lurking on and off since Christmas but since I haven't been properly on boot camp I haven't said hello. But now you're all just chatting...

I have been reading and thinking about LCHF for about a year and just took the plunge about three weeks ago. Am not doing strict bootcamp, have done a bit of counting and think I'm at about 50g carbs per day, give or take. Except for last weekend's slip up with a sticky toffee pudding...

So far, I've lost 4.5kg (just over half a stone, I think?) I weigh in kilos now because I don't really know what's 'heavy' in kilos like I do in stones, so it seems less shaming to weigh myself somehow. That's odd, isn't it?

My observations so far are:

1. For the first time ever I can tell the difference between cravings and hunger
2. I'm hardly ever hungry, but I do definitely miss carbs
3. Oh, dear God, that braised cabbage ... <faints>

LittleFrieda Tue 19-Mar-13 22:58:09

Prettybird that is really helpful thanks for sharing.

Breakfast - skipped
lunch - belly pork with green beans and sautéed swede with garlic shallots and parsley
Dinner - chicken breast fried with fresh chilli and garlic , stir fried vegetables and a bit of soy sauce

Blackaffronted - sounds yum. Tell us how you made it (how long did you cook it for?)

LittleFrieda Tue 19-Mar-13 22:59:06

Hello ecuse. Glad it's working well for you.

Lavenderhoney Wed 20-Mar-13 02:18:35

Prettybird, that's amazingsmile well done again to all the losers.

I found the bootcamp went really quickly, and it was lovely to read the threads and see what others were eating ( and doing!)

I bought some mixed nuts yesterday which is a mistake as I can't stop eating them. Should of bought peanut butter as I like a tiny spoon, and I can stop!

No other lapses, but I need to exercise more ( not just walking and housework)

ChocsandChipsandSealingWax Wed 20-Mar-13 06:18:32

Finally catching up on the thread and loving all these inspirational posts - well done all you losers and particularly to black, jake THC and pretty - fantastic!

And thanks pretty for the inspirational post. I think I would have done alot better if I'd cut down on alcohol a bit more!

But I am very, very, very (did I mention very? grin) happy with how I've done!!!! Can't remember now who else is what who posted saying they were aiming for 9 and a half stone because that's all they thought they could achieve, but me too - and now I am coming up to 9 stone being achievable. And everyone keeps commenting on how slim I look and all my clothes are finally looking good again.

I love love love this WOE!!! Thanks BIWI and Willie and all you amazing people for helping me get there! thanks thanks thanks

middleagedspread Wed 20-Mar-13 06:19:12

I'm following you all & am so impressed. It is so useful to know what people actually are eating.
Well done all of you, I can't wait to share my losses with you.

BlackAffronted Wed 20-Mar-13 07:51:23

Welcome ecuse! Glad you have found the threads so useful. Well done on your loss smile

LF, cooked it really low in the oven for 6 hours, but it was so worth it! Chucked in some neep (swede?) shallot, mushrooms, celery, star anise, garlic, a bayleaf and some stock.

LH, get sainbos basics peanut butter, its 3.9g carbs compared to between 9-16g in all others ive looked at!

Well done Chocs grin

mas, I still have a loooong way to go yet, so Ill be here for the long haul. I will be bootcamping between now & the next bootcamp! Perhaps bootcamp light, as I use almond flour occasionally.

Menu yesterday -

B - Omlette & protein shake

L - Salad & coleslaw with cheese & boiled egg

D - Oxtail stew & a couple of small almond flour biscuits. These had sweetener in them though sad delicious all the same!

Last night I made a breakfast meatloaf thing, that is perfect for keeping in the fridge & slicing up! Could be used for lunch as well, perfect for a lunchbox. It is basically beef & pork mince, shallot, paprika, mustard, parsley, streaky bacon & hard boiled eggs. Will stick up a photo & the recipe when I have time.

JakeBullet Wed 20-Mar-13 08:02:36 that the shop bought stuff or do you all hsve some super recipe?grin .

BlackAffronted Wed 20-Mar-13 08:10:23

I always make my own, its far better! I use a recipe that Biwi posted. Shredded white cabbage, grated carrot & chopped shallot (though I usually replace this with sliced spring onion, just my prefernce). Add 1 tablespoon white wine vinegar & mix, this will "cook" the cabbage. Before eating, add a large dollop of mayo & mix through. Add salt & pepper if you like.

middleagedspread Wed 20-Mar-13 08:31:50

Can I ask about tomatoes?
I use chopped toms/passata as a base for lots of things.
Reading here, it seems that coconut milk might be better.
Also, having tried cauliflower mash I wasn't keen. Stir fried savoy is fine, but can you suggest a bulky alternative?
I made my own coleslaw last night (as suggested) with pine nuts sprinkled on the top, it was lovely.

charfree Wed 20-Mar-13 08:34:20

Hi everyone, not posted before, but have been following since January, and have lost 7.5kg (89 to 81.5), another 10 kg to go. Have found your conversations really inspirational and wanted to thank you all! Have been trying to lose weight for ages, and toyed about with low carb for a year or so, but this is the first time it's "clicked". As BIWI always advises, I think reading up about low carb is key. I feel quite militant about it now. I long for the day when "high fat" is highlighted on food rather than "low fat"! And the best thing about this WOE is not just the weight-loss, but the shape...I'm much sleeker than I was when i was previously at this weight, due to lack of bloating. So, thanks everyone and will join properly for next bootcamp!

WillieWEggledEgger Wed 20-Mar-13 09:12:02

brilliant charfree, and please do keep posting!

middleagedspread i would go easy on the tinned tomatoes and passata. it's worth checking the carb count on the labels and working out from the amount you use in your recipes how many grams of carbs that would be per portion. there's no need to cut out completely, but you might be able to use half a can rather than a whole one, and maybe only use it in recipes once a week or so.

coconut milk is good, but again worth checking the labels for different brands as it does contain carbs and you need to be aware how much you are serving in a portion

people on here have enjoyed mashed swede and celeriac, or celeriac chips (they are lovely). this slow braised creamy cabbage is very popular as a veg accompaniment. i have braised broccoli and kale in the same way and both were delicious

thekitchenfairy Wed 20-Mar-13 10:06:11

Hello everyone!
What a great start to our last week.. I've just had a quick scan so will catch up later.

I am 2lb down... Considering this my whoosh fairy as I have No PMS... Amaze balls!

Thank you to everyone who posted work suggestions... I am getting there, office in middle of nowhere but am resisting the vending machine of doom... Not popular if I take in eggs so experimenting with omelette and salad. This is some adjustment but so far so good!!

carbalanche Wed 20-Mar-13 10:23:29

Thanks prettybird thanks for your detailed reply. Very useful to read and quite encouraging to see that you had your minor "deviations" along the way with a bit of wine and a spoon of breadcrumbs here and there.

I have steered clear of avocado because I was warned off them on the Harcombe diet. I might try them as people on here seem to have had them and still managed to lose - and who can beat a good avocado salad with crispy bacon and parmesan!

I also have the 30-day shred but have purposely stayed off it because I ended up with sore knees the last time I did it. As I am now 2 stones HEAVIER then when I did it the last time I think I could do even more damage. I will try again when I have got down to about 11 stone (and leave out the blinking star-jumps which I think did for my knees!)

Might try the braised cabbage because I have got a bit stuck in a rut with my celeriac mash. Need some more interesting veg side-dishes. Loving blackaffronted's recipes BTW - very inspirational!

ecuse Wed 20-Mar-13 10:36:56

B - 2x hard boiled eggs, 5x cocktail sausages, small lump cheddar, mayonnaise for dipping
L - chicken & avocado salad w/vinaigrette
D - chilli con carne, home made coleslaw

MyFitnessPal makes that 51g of carbs

Hi folks

doing my own version of Atkins. I was a die-hard Atkinsite for a few years about 8 years ago. Lost 20lbs and got down to BMI 21. But I did get bored of it and reverted to basically healthy eating and lots of running. Lost more (partly due to anxiety and panic attacks) !! But meno, ADs and comfort eating has dragged me back to the wagon.

5 weeks gone, and I have lost about 2 inches off the waist, a load of flab off the hips and belly. I didn't weigh myself to start with because I was SCARED! But now I weight 172lbs - BMI 24 - which is scary enough!! I want to lose another stone - maybe more. But I am OK with it taking time.

Not running anymore sad. I have big problems in my left knee (caused I suspect when I used to run for miles on roads) and tendonitis in my left foot. I might do the odd short run but mostly I just walk for miles with dog.

I'm with charfree on the sleeker thing - I know I am heavier than I was a couple of years ago, but things that were too tight on the waist then fit much better now despite the extra pounds. Given that I am having my wedding dress measuring in three weeks this must be a good thing smile

ecuse Wed 20-Mar-13 11:18:59

Already noticing trousers are less tight here, too. Haven't measured waist yet, but must do so - much better indicator of health than weight/BMI, I think!

Iamaslummymummy Wed 20-Mar-13 11:56:25

May have fallen into a Costa white chocolate and raspberry muffin and had ginger bread syrup in my decaf soy latte blush

However it was definitely worth it grin I tried two butter biscuits last week amd they were not worth it but a Costa as a treat was lovely. Did wonders for my depression on happiness day. grin

Have also discovered marscapone. Yuuuuuuum!

JakeBullet Wed 20-Mar-13 12:20:07

Costa white chocolate and raspberry muffins envy grin

BlackAffronted Wed 20-Mar-13 12:24:07

ecuse, be wary of myfitnesspals calculations, some will be american and wont have fibre subtracted, and some will be UK and will have it subtracted! Very confusing! Cocktail sausages can be carby, so watch those smile

Welcome to charfree and Orm! Great to see more people joining in.

carbalanche - I try & make lots of different veg side dishes so that I dont get bored. Cabbage & leeks in curried coconut milk was amazing! I also like green beans in garlic & shallots, courgette ribbons in cream, garlic & parmesan, roast swede sprinkled with rosemary, braised fennel, asparagus fried in butter and celeriac fondant smile

EwanHoozami Wed 20-Mar-13 12:53:06

Ooh all those sides sound lovely, Black I've been stuck in a bit of a braised cabbage / roast broccoli / cauli rice rut lately so I'll try some of them.

Joyful discovery yesterday of a new Asian supermarket in town. They sell the no-carb noodles for about a quarter of the price of H&B so I've stocked up.


Lidl yog
Bresaola and avocado salad
No-pastry spanakopita

DorisIsWaiting Wed 20-Mar-13 14:01:05

lost another 3 pounds this week so 19lbs in total for bootcamp really really pleased and will be continuing for the forseeable future I would like to be under 12st before the next bootcamp (fingers crossed)

WillieWEggledEgger Wed 20-Mar-13 14:03:05

you're so clever with your recipes blackaffronted.

number one on my to-do list when i'm rich is 'appoint blackaffronted as personal low-carb chef'

charfree Wed 20-Mar-13 15:31:35

Has anyone else noticed that when they're in ketosis they're freezing cold? I didn't have a great weekend, as at in-laws, but have been super strict since Monday and today have noticed that familiar icy feeling in nose and fingers.

DorisisWaiting - that is amazing...what weight did you start off with?

Also, does anyone have any advice on how to set target weight? I've always had 70kg (11 stone) in my head, just because I've never got below that since I was 21, and always felt really slim at this weight. (Haven't been below 80 in last 5 years, but now that's round the corner!) However, on the weight charts, 70 is still classified as overweight. I'm 5'7.

NoelHeadbands Wed 20-Mar-13 15:59:25

charfree yy to being freezing. I dont need ketostix, I just look to see whether my fingernails are blue or not!

charfree Wed 20-Mar-13 16:05:46

So strange, isn't it? I love it though...extra jumper means I'm doing well!

TheEarlyBird Wed 20-Mar-13 16:42:59

Sorry - a late "declaration". Starting weight 179 and final weight 165 so that's a whopping 14lbs off for me. Really thrilled and a big thanks to you all, especially you BIWI and you Willie for all your hard work. It was amazingly motivational having some (virtual) people to talk to. I'm now in a healthy BMI range and hoping to lose another 5.5 kg. Am going to dip my toe into the 5:2 woe, combined with low carb for a few weeks and see what happens although, tbh, I'll be happy if I can just maintain this weight for a little while. Good luck mes amis - (can you tell I live in foreign parts?!) xxxxx

teaandthorazine Wed 20-Mar-13 16:58:26

Hello all

Have been reading a lot about Primal eating recently and have ordered the Primal Blueprint book - is anyone else subscribing to this WOT (way of thinking grin)? The more I know about nutrition the more I feel I need to make a whole lifestyle change, really...

Anyway, not a great morning :glosses over: but am really looking forward to dinner tonight - steak with creamy pepper sauce, mushrooms, peppers and spinach all cooked in butter, with maybe a chunk of 85% hotel chocolat choc to finish off!

BlackAffronted Wed 20-Mar-13 17:02:57

tea, I read Marks Daily Apple regularly, but couldnt go primal though. I am following the leptin reset though, that I found out about over there.

willie, Id love to be somebodys personal chef! My lot are so unappreciative of my efforts sad

Something nice to have with bacon and mushrooms. When I were a lass my dad used to male potato cakes with left over mash - these are as nice and low carb.

Beat an egg into a cup, add tablespoon of ground almonds and grated cheese and some ground pepper. Fry in pan with bacon - if you've got one of those non-stick rings to keep fried eggs round you can get a better shape.

LittleFrieda Wed 20-Mar-13 17:19:56

Hi Orm,
Sorry you've had to hang up your running shoes. Can you swim?

Lavenderhoney Wed 20-Mar-13 18:17:16

Long old day today, still lc but ended up picking at far too much cheese, finally finished the nuts so that that. Dinner was salmon in butter, braised leeks, bit of pasta for the dc, and broccoli.
Lots of water.

I am quite bloated but I think I need to drink more water. I am really tired too, so early bed - straight after the dc a few nights this week coming up.

Black - I'm sure they arent unappreciative really? You make lovely sounding meals. Do you ever let your dh take over now and then? Unless he is a fab cook- mine is and I get quite bored with the cries of " is daddy cooking? Oh..." My dc love to help me to, however, they might not actually eat it! I have a huge batch of cheese straws to be eaten and the dc don't want them after lovingly making them all afternoon!

- they also miss my mil cooking ! If I make lasagne I get " we only like grans...." And a bit of nose turning up. So I lie and say gran sent it over like meals on wheels and they eat it!

BlackAffronted Wed 20-Mar-13 18:40:16

DH does take his turn at cooking, usually at the weekends. trying to remind him of everything I can/can't eat is a chore though sad I find myself standing over him going "dont use too much onion! Oh, I cant have peas! No, no carrots either!" and he just sighs and goes all moody sad He does try though. Kids do love cabbage now though, so we go through 3 or 4 cabbages a week! They do like what I make, but they are just as happy with plain boring food. They wont touch frozen packaged food (potato waffles, fish fingers etc) so I do have to make everything from scratch - no biggie for me though.

Char I had a goal in my mind but now there I'm adjusting it down slightly from 10 to 10.7 ( allows flucation) Goibg tad lower so 9.7 to 10 stone

Which while heaver than some on here I'm happy with weight as I'm now a 10/12 including in the shops that run truer to size

Oh and char I'm pretty much cold a lot but thinn lot to do with Loosibg alm my blubber insulation

ScillyCow Wed 20-Mar-13 21:07:32

Aaargh I have disappeared off the spreadsheet (prob because I didn't weigh in for the past 2 weeks) but my final loss was 10lbs.

Carrying on and I know the thing that's holding me back is not drinking enough water.
Will deffo be up for the next bootcamp!!

Thank you BIWI!

Ruprekt Wed 20-Mar-13 22:04:02

B ham and cheese salad

L chicken thighs with cauliflower cheese

S smoked almonds

D. Courgette spaghetti with crab sauce, asparagus and buttery leeks.

Camomile and spiced apple tea

ChocsandChipsandSealingWax Wed 20-Mar-13 22:08:15

Evening all.

Just had duck confit, kale and brussell sprouts for supper - mmmm- parboiled the sprouts and then chucked them in with the confit to roast a bit - mmm! And then I will have the rest of the sprouts for breakfast with buttery fried eggs. And this morning I had kale for breakfast with bresaeola and buttery eggs.

I remember two years ago when I first started looking at this WOE (but still couldn't get my head round the fat bit) reading low carb gourmet (real shame she didn't stick with it herself as the book is great) and her saying that anything could be breakfast. I have now finally got myself out of the toast/cereal rut and eating all sorts of stuff for breakfast!

Shows how far I have come on this WOE that I can finally have all this fat without any guilt (though it helps that everyone keeps telling me how great I am looking - if I were stalling alot like Black at the beginning I'm not sure I'd feel so comfortable about it).

black - your sides sound amazing- please can you put them on the recipe thread!

LittleFrieda Wed 20-Mar-13 22:10:33

B - no
L - ham, cheese, mushroom & tomato omelette with watercress salad
D -chicken bacon and avocado on a bed of lettuce and asparagus

Snack - small lump of St Agur cheese

Bone tired and have been really snacky today - all LC, but outside of Greek yog, avocado salad and feta and spinach omelette have also had a lump of cheese, little pack of pork scratchings, slice of salami and a few cocktail sausages, and just had a late night 'pudding' of Greek yog with peanut butter... Is this likely to affect weight loss? Hopefully have offset some of it with my hula hoop class!

Ruprekt Wed 20-Mar-13 22:16:07

Chocs..... Hence my cheese and ham salad for breakfast.

Oooh my Waitrose bargains were amazing tonight!

2 chicken breasts with lemon and pepper down from £3.99 to 85p!!

They were on a 3 for 2 offer so I bought 3 packs = £2.55. But they still gave £1.99 back to me for the offer. So I got 6 chicken breasts for 56p.smilesmilesmile

timidviper Wed 20-Mar-13 22:59:29

Black I have looked at Mark's Daily Apple but I don't really understand what is the difference between the leptin reset and bootcamp. Can you explain it please?

I have had a bad few days, tummy upset and feeling so queazy all I could keep down was white bread and tea, definitely not lc. I'll be the only person ever to put on weight with a tummy bug!

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 20-Mar-13 22:59:44

orm thanks for that recipe for egg/almond flour/cheese thingy - I had it with crispy bacon and some leaves with my HM mayo - delish + bowl of leek and chicken soup. Very nice tea. I am happy.

black your meals and recipes are inspired and inspiring, you are clearly culinarily gifted grin. I am defo going to make oxtail stew this weekend. MY dc regularly turn their noses up at my delicious meals sometimes without even tasting anything - and dp is mainly veggie but will eat chicken and fish sometimes but often puts on a pained expression about the whole thing, highly annoying

ruprekt amazing bargains, what time are they available, the only bargains I have seen in W are bread ones

chocs I have cooked lots out of low carb gourmet - do you have a fav recipe? I love the chicken in cream and thyme and swede recipe. I recently got the Atkins recipe book but so far have not cooked from it - the Atkins cheese burgers look nice.

I am really itching to cook some scotch eggs. I love all this cooking, it's brilliant. And how wonderful vegetables are when cooked with lots of fat!

Bessie123 Wed 20-Mar-13 23:05:25

I cooked scallops this evening, with cauliflower purée, creamed chard and anchovy and garlic broccoli - way better than anything mega carby

BlackAffronted Thu 21-Mar-13 07:32:03

Timid - the leptin reset is very similar to bootcamp, except you time your meals )ish) and do not snack at all, not even drinks with calories. You eat a breakfast with 50g protein within 30 minutes of waking up, andthat sets you up forthe day (I really dont need snacks if I eat a BAB with 50g protein). At least 4 hours between meals & dont eat for at least 3 hours before bed. Im finding it dead easy, and liberating! Bootcamp realesed me from my binging and the LR has realesed me from tinking about food smile

Ive also dropped another few pounds since Monday shock its just melting away now. Im 2lb away from losing 2 stone - yipee!

BlackAffronted Thu 21-Mar-13 07:33:50

Bessie, that sounds like something from Masterchef!

BlackAffronted Thu 21-Mar-13 07:40:33
JakeBullet Thu 21-Mar-13 07:48:08

The hardest thing about this WOE for me has been to accept that calories don't need to be counted.....and I have found that very hard. Even though I have lost over a stone since starting.
This morning I am having omelette with mushrooms, a small sprinkling if cheese and shallot all done in about 40g of butter. It's delicious but even now I am thinking "how many calories" even though I am not counting them and won't.

It's amazing the stranglehold that past advice has over me.'s a yummy breakfast.

BecauseImWoeufIt Thu 21-Mar-13 07:57:33
QuickLookBusy Thu 21-Mar-13 08:12:10

BecauseIm I have a rather delicate question!

I'm on maintenance now, but am having real tummy issues. I thought I had a bug at first but have realised it's linked to me starting to eat more carbs. Is this normal? I'm eating each day a small slice of bread, a few oat cakes, a banana and more veg, but I am getting stomach twinges every time I eat and the feeling I need to rush to the loo. (Sorry TMI) I don't actually have to go, it's just that horrible feeling. This has been happening for over 2 weeks.

Also I'm still losing weight, which I don't want to do, I'm now below 8stone and have lost 2lbs this week.

Is this a normal reaction to eating more carbs or should I reduce the amount or kind of carbs I'm eating?

Sorry for the long post, I'm just a bit fed up. sad

WillieWEggledEgger Thu 21-Mar-13 08:53:46

QLB I'm not surprised you're fed up with that

I'm no expert on this, but I wonder whether you could try experimenting with the kind of carbs you introduce? It might be the grains (in the bread and oatcakes) that are affecting you, so maybe try substituting a a bit of potato instead as you might be a bit less sensitive to that. I know lot of people have problems with grains and gluten.

MaryBeardfanclub Thu 21-Mar-13 09:07:43

biwi thanks for that link - the most scary quote: "Michelle Obama appeared to be onside when she launched her Let's Move initiative in February 2010 with a speech to the Grocery Manufacturers Association of America. "She took it straight to them and said, 'You're the problem. You're the solution.' She hasn't said it since. Now it's all about exercise.

"Far be it from me to bad-mouth somebody who wants to do the right thing. But I'm telling you right now she's been muzzled. No question of it." In his book he tells of a private conversation with the White House chef, who he claims told him the administration agreed with him but did not want a fight with the food industry."

thank goodness for the internet otherwise how would we ever fight back against these behemoths.

JakeBullet Thu 21-Mar-13 09:13:41

Fantastic article. ...have shared it on Facebook.

EwanHoozami Thu 21-Mar-13 09:25:49

Bessie Scallops! Fabulous. Some of these meals sound Michelin star level.

That greek spinach 'pie' I linked to last night was great, if anyone is looking for a crustless quichey-type-thing with a difference. I used parsley instead of dill and threw in a few toasted pine nuts.

That's really unnerving yet not at all surprising about the Obamas, Mary I often wonder how on earth the message to eat fewer carbs can possibly be endorsed by those in power with grain-based agriculture etc still at the heart of Western economies.

I'm having a really strict few days while DH is working away. I get awful PMT and it always throws me into snack mode. Now I'm past that phase I need a mindset reset, IYKWIM.

EwanHoozami Thu 21-Mar-13 09:30:11

I'm going to share that article too. Interested to see what reaction I get!

MrsHeggulePoirot Thu 21-Mar-13 09:45:00

qlb. I have seen this list of the order to reintroduce things so maybe have more nuts and seeds. Mabe things like sweet potato or cous cous in small amounts might be gentler on your stomach?

1. more salad and other vegetables on the acceptable foods list
2. fresh cheeses (as well as more aged cheese)
3. seeds and nuts
4. berries
5. wine and other spirits low in carbs
6. legumes
7. fruits other than berries and melons
8. starchy vegetables
9. whole grains

19.5lbs in total and 2 dress sizes (I wore a size 10 last night when I went to see Harry Hill!)

I've managed to stay on course for MOST of the duration, but when I have slipped I've found that my eating habits have changed so dramatically that I've just got right back into LCing with zero effort.

I haven't always been present on this thread but it's been a massive support all the same. Thanks BIWI and everybody else who has contributed.

QuickLookBusy Thu 21-Mar-13 10:29:48

Thank you Willie and MrsHeggule.

That list is very helpful. -- I especially like no 5--

I have definitely been eating a lot of no 9 on the list, so I think that may be my problem.

Am going to go and buy some seeds and nuts today and ditch the bread.

KKKKaty Thu 21-Mar-13 11:42:49

I have been lurking on the bootcamp threads since you started in January and I'm finally in a position to start the bootcamp - just as you're all finishing! Very inspired by your stories of weight loss and general good health. I wonder if you would be kind enough to cast an eye over what I have been eating for the past three days since I started LCing on Monday. Is it OK? Any comments? I want to try and do this properly! Many thanks!

B: 2 x poached eggs, 2 x rashers bacon
L: chicken mayonnaise, salad
S: Celery with blue cheese
D: Venison burger, cheese, broccoli and courgette with garlic and butter
S: Ham & brie & lettuce wrap
Drinks: 2 x cups tea with milk, ginger & lemon tea, water

B: 2 big dollops total FF yog, a soft boiled egg
L: Ham and cheese salad, oily dressing
D: Spinach with butter, smoked haddock, poached egg
S: Smoked salmon & philly
Drinks: 3 x cups tea with milk, water

B: 2 x poached eggs, 2 x rashers bacon, tomato, mushrooms
L: Tuna mayo and avacado salad
D: Sausages, braised cabbage with cream, steamed carrots and green beans
S: Smoked salmon & philly, a small dollop yogurt
Drinks: 2 x cups tea with milk, ginger & lemon tea, water

Bessie123 Thu 21-Mar-13 11:47:05

Hi kkkaty

I'm not an expert on this but you might want to cut out the tomato and carrots, I think they are quite carby.

KKKKaty Thu 21-Mar-13 11:51:43

Thanks for your reply Bessie. Both are on the allowed list though? Tomatoes at 3.1 and carrots and 2.5!

BlackAffronted Thu 21-Mar-13 11:53:43

Welcome kkkaty smile Looks good to me, as long as you are aware of the carb content of tomatoes and carrots smile I do eat them occasionally though.

QuickLookBusy Thu 21-Mar-13 12:03:59

If I remember rightly there's some confusion about carrots at the start of bootcamp as they were on the veg list twice. "Baby" carrots have 2.5g whereas the older bigger ones have 7gs- I think.

QuickLookBusy Thu 21-Mar-13 12:04:23

Sorry there was some comfusion

KKKKaty Thu 21-Mar-13 12:14:04

Aargh! Now I'm confused. Does that mean I shouldn't be having red peppers (6.4) in my salads? Why should I not be having tomatoes (3.1) but it's OK to have cabbage (5) and green beans (4.7)?!

boobashka Thu 21-Mar-13 12:32:12

Hi everyone,

I've been lurking since the start and gaining huge inspiration from the losses and health improvements. Thanks so much BIWI for all your knowledge and tips. teaandthorazine I have just read The Primal Blueprint and been v inspired by that too - it really is a whole new Way of Living as you describe it! smile Also like the Marks Daily Apple website with all the success stories.

I've gone from 152 lbs to below 10 stone since 7 Jan (haven't weighed myself for a couple of weeks as my scales are broken, but went into GAP yesterday and squeezed into a size 8 pair of jeans - [shocked] could not believe it! Some of that may be down to vanity sizing on the part of GAP but I was a generous 12 before).

Some things I've noticed:

1) Having a BAB first thing has really helped stablise my blood sugars and made me go longer between meals. I've only started doing this in the last couple of weeks and I've completely eliminated snacking now (was sneaking loads of extra nuts and peanut butter before I started having a BAB blush
2) My hormones are taking a while to settle down, but things are definitely improving in that department. Acne disappearing after a few mahoosive zits a few weeks ago, <TMI alert> vaginal discharge vanished at first but has now thankfully come back (never thought I'd say that but being dry down there is no joke), moods all over the place for a few weeks, but feeling much happier now. Anyone else had these symptoms since they started low carbing?
3) Once of the best improvements has been that after years of insomnia/poor sleep, I am now sleeping like a log - asleep as soon as my head touches the pillow - it's really wonderful. That's one of the main reasons I've kept on with the WOE.
4) My weight distribution seems to have changed. I'm much less pear shaped. I haven't lost so much off my top half, but my problem areas - hips, thighs, love handles have reduced. Still got the mummy tummy tho hmm

Sorry for the mammoth first post - I felt the need to get it all out! smile Thanks again for all the recipes and tips!

colette Thu 21-Mar-13 14:25:02

Hi boobashka, sounds like you're doing really well smile

Any ideas for cooking spring greens please ? Just brought a big bag reduced to 65p so need to eat them tonight.Thinking of cooking spag bol to go with them.


prettybird Thu 21-Mar-13 14:46:44

I had a lovely lunch recently where they substituted the lentils that were on the menu with wilted spring greens cooked in plenty of butter, and which were served with lovely plump, garlicy Italian sausages.

WillieWEggledEgger Thu 21-Mar-13 15:20:47

Yy I agree with pretty bird re spring greens, wilt down in tons of butter it is HEAVEN

KKKKaty I'm no expert but I think it's to do with the portion sizes. The carb counts given on the spreadsheet are per 100g, I tried weighing some stuff and 100g of shredded cabbage was a giant amount, more than I would eat, but carrots and tomatoes are much heavier and denser, so your carb count per portion would be much higher.

Thank you to MyHead and teaandthorazine who were trying to help with my dad's sugars at the end of the last thread. I've finally had a decent chat to him and a chance to do some reading. Whilst he is lowering his carbs (previous daily intake was about 400g/day, he's calculated!) he is now eating in the region of 150g/day, (as he also has no weight to lose, and that is often suggested as a good maintenance level on lots of websites).

So, the concept of physiological insulin resistance that he was concerned about should not be applicable. That appears (see the link there) to be something that occurs at very low carb intake in order to preserve the available blood glucose for your brain and stop your muscles using it - ie keep them in fat burning.

So I think that was a red herring in the high fasting blood glucose.

What it appears to be, is that in diabetics high fasting blood glucose is more likely to be due your hormone levels going wonky overnight which happens as the diabetes gets worse. linky if anyone is interested in the specifics

He's testing more regularly again now to try and see where he's at.
Seems to be mainly getting FBG around 8.2, and then testing before lunch it's much better (5.6-7 depending on exercise) which fits with the hormone explanation, and +1hr meals 9 ish, +2hr meals 6 ish, so it's not great but at least it's under the 8.2 for most of the day!
He confessed that his "low carb" day yesterday began with porridge, included a little parsnip at lunch, and 2 post bike ride crumpets angry
It appears that he is very sensitive to exercise which is great (got a +2hr from lunch reading of under 4 whilst cycling hard) so clearly that is a way to bring the sugars down. But not then falling into the crumpets would be good....

I want to go and be all bossy and take all his meals in hand and see if we can improve things, but you can't do that can you??!

QLB I too am having weird gut issues. I think its wheat or gluten. My transgressions that have caused issues have been 1 jam doughnut a couple of weeks ago, and some naan bread this weekend. No issue with actual weight gain but my gut puffed up like a balloon (Ilooked about 6 months pg) and I became utterly constipated and couldn't go for about 3 days and it was (TMI) massive and rock hard and painful when I did.

I'm reading Wheat Belly at the moment which is fascinating and horrifying in equal turn and I think (I'm also maintaining) that wheat is the one thing I will really steer clear of. Modern wheat is very unhealthy and causes issues for huge swathes of the population, often without them realising, so having eliminated it for a bit, it makkes sense for us to be spotting issues when we try it again. It's really made me think about whaht I am feeding DD too now. I hate her having cakes and biscuits at playgroups and it's not because of the sugar, it;s the wheat!

So like others have suggested, I would experiment with potato/sweet potato, then rice, then oats if I were you, but leave gluten grains til last. Then you'll know if they are an issue for you.

Most delicious lunch I have had in ages:
Leftover mashed swede heated up, with sauteed leeks on top, a rasher of bacon to the side and buttery broccoli. Heaven in a bowl! grin

ecuse Thu 21-Mar-13 16:36:58

Oh yeah, that's another reelation of this WOE. How much nicer greens are when slathered in melted butter!

Felt quite sad last weekend when I had my roast dinner (no spuds!) in a pub and the veg came all unbuttered. Poor, sad, unbuttered veg sad

colette Thu 21-Mar-13 16:42:14

thanks Prettybird and WillieWEggledEgger - sounds good , will try that.

Prettybird - liked your post yesterday (?) about what has been working for you.

MrsHeggulePoirot Thu 21-Mar-13 16:47:03

tea glad you got to the bottom of those readings. I did think it would be impossible to be getting those readings if he had cut down the carbs massively. 400g down to 150 is a good start. I would say though that if eating that amount of carbs, he needs to be careful with his fat a little.

It is difficult to make people do what you know is right!!! As a diabetic I did manage my bloods an weight successfully having porridge for breakfast, but then had very few carbs later in the day eg salad with sandwich filling for lunch and then met and veg for tea.

What do his diabetes team say about his bloods? Is he on any medication?

Yama Thu 21-Mar-13 17:46:46

Evening everyone. Can I ask those of you who are doing a leptin reset to explain what leptin is and why you are resetting it? smile

Get this. My dh is doing a leptin reset. I asked him why and he said that it was because my learned Mumsnetters (my phrasing) were doing it so he looked it up and thought he'd give it a go.

Now, I could wait for him to explain it to me but he will read and research everything and garner a very complicated understanding. I want the idiot's guide.

BecauseImWoeufIt Thu 21-Mar-13 18:07:10


Your meals look fine - but I'm wondering why you're snacking so much. You shouldn't be feeling hungry between meals! Hopefully once you're into this WOE 'properly' ketosis will kick in and you will find that you don't need the snacks.

Just a couple of things. First, beware of including too much processed meat in your meals. You've got bacon and ham on day 1, (possibly the venison burger, unless you made that yourself), ham, smoked haddock and smoked salmon on day 2 and bacon, sausages and smoked salmon on day 3. That's quite a lot altogether, and on Bootcamp the aim is to eat natural/unprocessed foods as much as we possibly can.

Second, there is a fair bit of dairy. Three lots of cheese on Monday, as well as milk in your tea. Yoghurt, cheese and Philly on Tuesday and three cups of tea, then cream, Philly and yoghurt on Wednesday as well as the tea. Some people find that dairy impedes weight loss, so I'd cut this down a little if you can.

Avoid the carrots! The lower carb count has actually been removed from the spreadsheet, so I think you must have an earlier version.

And how much water are you drinking?

Good luck with it! I hope you're not suffering too much from carb withdrawal!

Thanks MrsHP. I definitely have heard that if you are going to have a carbier meal (ie your porridge) you should have it at the start of the day to give your body time to get shot of the carbs whilst your metabolism is most perky, so sounds like you were doing it right smile. He's not yet on any meds, but they were umming and aahhing about metformin at his last checkup and agreed to give it 6 months. Not sure how much help or how knowledgeable his team are - he's not discussed his dietary changes with them as far as I know.

Apparently todays FBG was 7.4 smile so it seems to be coming down.

I have a rotten cold and feel a bit bleurgh. Having a medicinal coffee and cream instead of choccy. It's got the same lovely creaminess factor.

halfthesize Thu 21-Mar-13 18:32:06

eve all, off to catch up on threadgrin

halfthesize Thu 21-Mar-13 18:44:37

corvette ribbons in cream, garlic and shallots, black I am hookedgrin

halfthesize Thu 21-Mar-13 18:45:12

obviously meant parmesanhmm

halfthesize Thu 21-Mar-13 18:50:51

and cougette, stupid mobileangry

AuntieMaggie Thu 21-Mar-13 19:03:22

Another one who didn't have as much success this time round due to life getting in the way but if I hadn't done this WOE on and off then I would be a lot heavier rather than 6lbs off since xmas.

I am planning to boot camp next week and get back on track. I want to lose 3 stone in time for my July holiday so need to find the motivation from somewhere.

There's a lot of things that I haven't gone back to eating though like bread and pasta and I still find a lot of foods too rich especially processed food.

So thank you BIWI and Willie. flowers

BecauseImWoeufIt Thu 21-Mar-13 19:10:18

spiltthetea - glad you managed to get some expert help/advice! And good to hear that it seems to be having a positive impact already.

KKKKaty Thu 21-Mar-13 19:38:24

Thanks for your reply BIWI. With regard to snacking, I guess it’s habit. Also, I’ve stopped drinking my lovely wine in the evenings and eating my lovely chocolate – what do I have to look forward to after the kids have gone to bed?!!! grin

Processed food – I hear what you’re saying, but I guess I’m having trouble thinking of what to eat. I am also catering for two pre-schoolers and a non-LCing DH! Therefore if they’re having sausages, I can’t really then cook a steak for myself. Also lumps of meat tend to be expensive. My staple mince recipes all seem to include either tomatoes or potatoes. I like chinesey-type food, but that’s all soy sauce, brown sugar, sweet and sour etc. The thought of eating plain fish every day is not very appealing, the DCs won’t be impressed, and generally speaking DCs and DH aren’t big green veg eaters. As it is I seem to spend my whole life in the kitchen, so I don’t want to make different meals every time.

Lunches have to be cold due to time constraints – I make them in advance a lot of the time. So it’s salad with something. Tuna and chicken are OK? What else could I have if not ham, cheese, smoked salmon or mackerel or eggs (which I have for breakfast since I have to cook them for everyone else anyway)?

Sorry if I sound negative, especially on your lovely upbeat victorious thread, but I really want this to work. I’ve read Briffa and I believe the science. I’m approaching a not very appealing birthday, and I would really like to be down from 10 st 5 to below 9 by then. I’ve done the dreaded WW three times and lost the weight only to put it all back on again when I stopped. I need something sustainable, and something that fits in with what everyone else eats.

Valdeeves Thu 21-Mar-13 19:48:38

Just dropping in to say thanks to BIWI and Willie for the thread - and all you lovely ladies for your support.
I lost the last stone of my baby weight on this diet and am really grateful.
Am actually uber camping for a bit as it seems have the best results for me.
Am going to try the coconut chilli chicken - any tips before I cook it???

Ruprekt Thu 21-Mar-13 20:54:24

B sausage, bacon and avocado

L prawns with coriander and avocado

D nothing yet but snacked on cheese and succumbed to some chocolate! angry Twas lovely though

Water and spiced apple tea

flatbluebunny Thu 21-Mar-13 21:09:49

Good evening all you lovely people, I hope you don't mind me posting here. I've been considering a low carb diet for the last couple of weeks, and after gaining yet another 2lbs at my weekly weigh in last night decided to bite to bullet and start today smile. I've been dieting on and off with varying success for 20+ years, and this WOE goes against every single thing I've ever been told! But......if all the advice was true then surely I'd be lovely and slim now and not still searching for the answer?? I did a bit of shopping today and was terrified! Wish me luck wink

BecauseImWoeufIt Thu 21-Mar-13 21:17:40

"With regard to snacking, I guess it’s habit."

This is absolutely true. A conventional high carb diet means that we end up being hungry between meals, so we get used to snacking. Which means lots of extra calories! Once you're properly into low carbing, and you are ketogenically-adapted - i.e. you are in fat-burning mode - you really won't be hungry. So don't expect that snacks will be something you have to do.

"Processed food – I hear what you’re saying, but I guess I’m having trouble thinking of what to eat. I am also catering for two pre-schoolers and a non-LCing DH! Therefore if they’re having sausages, I can’t really then cook a steak for myself."

I get you. But you need to think about cooking for all the family, and cooking the same thing. Low carb sausages (please tell me that the sausages you were cooking were low carb?!) are fine for all of you - but you need to reduce the amount of processed meat in the rest of your day.

"Also lumps of meat tend to be expensive."

Not necessarily. A stew made from shin of beef is cheap. Or chicken thighs. Or lamb breast. Or belly pork.

"My staple mince recipes all seem to include either tomatoes or potatoes. I like chinesey-type food, but that’s all soy sauce, brown sugar, sweet and sour etc."

There's a lovely low carb shepherd's pie on the recipe thread, that uses mince.

"The thought of eating plain fish every day is not very appealing"

Who says you have to eat plain fish every day?! The other day I cooked pan fried cod fillet with a choice of two sauces. A mushroom sauce, which I made with finely chopped mushrooms, fried with chopped shallots and garlic, with cheese and double cream.

"and generally speaking DCs and DH aren’t big green veg eaters. As it is I seem to spend my whole life in the kitchen, so I don’t want to make different meals every time." Of course you don't want to be cooking different meals. But I think the family are going to have to get better at eating green veg! What is it that they don't like? Lots of lovely things you can do with your veg. Do they like salad?

"Lunches have to be cold due to time constraints – I make them in advance a lot of the time. So it’s salad with something. Tuna and chicken are OK? What else could I have if not ham, cheese, smoked salmon or mackerel or eggs (which I have for breakfast since I have to cook them for everyone else anyway)?" Nothing wrong with the options you have given here - just make sure you're not eating processed meats/fish more than once a day. How about making a frittata? There's a lovely asparagus frittata recipe on the recipe thread.

JakeBullet Thu 21-Mar-13 21:32:19

B was omlette with mushrooms and a sprinkle of cheese. Added salad.

L was belly of pork with mixed veggies.
D..nothing. ..not hungry but had a few olives which DS insisted that I have smile

LittleFrieda Thu 21-Mar-13 21:41:34

I just cook separate meals. Fortunately DH is low carbing with me.

B missed
L homemade burger with coleslaw and green salad
D half an M&S seafood platter with green salad and a couple of cherry tomatoes.

3 cups of tea with a little milk

BecauseImWoeufIt Thu 21-Mar-13 21:43:40

.... and my other sauce blush was chopped prawns, stir-fried with shallot, garlic and chilli, with coriander and cream

QuickLookBusy Thu 21-Mar-13 22:02:37

SpiltTheTea thank you for all that info. I think I'll order that book.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Thu 21-Mar-13 22:15:49

Spilttheteaagain (it's MyH here, back in my normal name) I'm glad you have had a bit of luck working out what was going on with your Dad. It's hard enough doing it for yourself when you know exactly what you have been doing 24/7 & the hardest part is, that it isn't an exact science! It's very frustrating.

Is he eating things like porridge because life isn't worth living without it, or is he eating it because his diabetes nurse told him to? To get his levels down he's best to ignore anything he's been told by the NHS!

How badly does he want to stay off metformin?

His levels will come down if he low carbs I'm sure - but I'm talking about 30g a day, not 150! If you can, get him to try a week at 30g. I don't think he'll lose weight if he doesn't have it to lose -your body is pretty good at working it out and even if he does, surely it's better to get his levels down and then after that he can get his weight up with protein & fat etc.

LittleFrieda Thu 21-Mar-13 22:23:49

It's exhausting having to think about more than one menu for each meal.

BIWI - your cooking always sounds amazing. I find myself assembling food on this diet, rather than cooking it. Even though I'm a reasonably proficient cook.

Where is the recipe thread?

Bessie123 Thu 21-Mar-13 23:07:36

I almost always cook one meal for the children and one for me and dp, sometimes with a carb for dp, who is a cauli rice and shirataki noodle refuser. BUT today I made pizza for my kids and a low carb cauli crust one for me and dp. Even dp agreed it was nice (although I wouldn't recommend it as a regular dish, it is so full of cheese). I'm sure I got the recipe from one of you very kind boot campers here it is again

Just one thing though, the blogger reckons you can't tell it apart from normal pizza. You totally can. But it is still nice grin

EMUZ Thu 21-Mar-13 23:07:47

I have some before and after photos if anyone would like to see? Well before and "during" grin

Bessie123 Thu 21-Mar-13 23:08:22

Yes. Where?

EMUZ Thu 21-Mar-13 23:09:44

Will photo bucket link, 2 seconds (and no laughing at my pics!!)

EMUZ Thu 21-Mar-13 23:10:47
Bessie123 Thu 21-Mar-13 23:29:57

Do you know there's some face pics on there as well???

EMUZ Thu 21-Mar-13 23:36:16

Yes, I'm ok with it

Lavenderhoney Fri 22-Mar-13 04:29:11

Dd is poorly again. Terrible day yesterday with a dash to the doctors as I realised she was very ill indeed - and of course awake most to the night listening to her struggle to breathe and clearing up the mess from the sick.

I had 2 squares of chocolate at 4 in the morning when I couldn't sleep and and felt so down I had to sit in the lounge for a bit.

I can't link on the iPad so I can't link to the recipe thread. I have 2 lo, but I just don't eat the carbs. There is no way i would make a load of different dinners!!!Fish doesn't have to be plain and boiled - you can make a lovey fish pie with turnip dauphinaise and mine love thinly sliced roasted turnip. . Or fry salmon in loads of butter which is lushsmile
You could try meal planning for the first week, tbh, which will help you.

JakeBullet Fri 22-Mar-13 06:21:23

Aw Lavender your poor DD and poor you too as its just exhausting and scary when they are ill. Hope she starts feeling better soon.

It's a new day here, been awake since 04.15am hmm

Now drinking coffee with cream....yummy.

I had a fabulous evening last night as I have managed to get myself a brand new laptop for free! grin

I belong to a product review programme with Amazon which I was invited to join about five years ago. I do lots of reviews for stuff so think is is why they invited me. Anyhow I mostly review books although I have had a digital radio and a rather nice camera in the past.

Last night my newsletter contained a £850 Sony laptop (more a net book as no DVD RW) and I managed to get one....which is amazing as there are not usually very many of these types of item. Am over the moon as DS being autistic and a tad heavy handed broke the last laptop and I have been struggling via my phone ever since. So so pleased....can't wait for it to arrive so I can use and review it. It was so much appreciated I can tell you and will be much used so a detailed review can be written.

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 22-Mar-13 06:51:58

jake congrats, thats a lovely bit of news. I love the reviews on amazon and use them to choose what to buy but I never post any myself.

lavenderh poor you and poor dd, 2 squares of choc sounds extremely restrained given the circs. Hope today is a better one

chippingin do you realise what you wrote.. "To get his levels down he's best to ignore anything he's been told by the NHS!" That is a truely shocking statement isn't it - I am gobsmacked at the whole situation - and to think a year ago I was so ignorant!! shock
I sent an email to the health assessments people telling them that the nutritional advice I was given was factually incorrect (i was told ketosis is a dangerous state to be in burn FAT in ketosis!!) no reply yet.

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 22-Mar-13 06:59:32

yesterday's efforts:
B: chickenstrips dipped in egg and Parmesan & fried in butter + chunks of cheese
L: bacon and fried chicken on lettuce with hm egg mayo on top
D: chicken and leek soup, hm egg mayo on lettuce

blimey - just realised I ate practically the same thing 3 times confused

Iamaslummymummy Fri 22-Mar-13 07:02:30

Morning. Dreadful news from my ill health early retirement assessment. They say although I'm not fit for any work, I dont qualify for a pension as he doesn't believe I'm permanently like this. Now got the fight of my hands on. Off to the pain clinic today to see if I can get a strong letter from them. Also need to speak to union and solicitors sad

Tried really hard through the bawling to stay lc. Succumbed at 10pm and had a whole lindt Teddy bear. It wasn't nice but I needed something and no 85% chocolate in the house.

BlackAffronted Fri 22-Mar-13 07:25:46

Yama - about leptin - its the majot hormone in our body, and basically controls everything. If its out of whack, or you have high evels atthe wrong times, it can mess up everythign else (including insulin). Doing a leptin reset regulates your leptin levels to rise & fall at the right times so that you burn fat for as long as possible during your day. Once leptin is reset to a normal rythym, it seems it can help a whole host of problems, as well as weight loss. Snacking, eating at the wrong times etc can all mess it up. Does that help any? I dont know if I have explained it very well! I did a bit of googling when the weight didnt seem to be shifting for me despite bootcamping, and this came up.

Ha;fthesize - tasty, isnt it? grin

kkkkaty, we all eat the same food here, except ill add some brown rice or potatoes to their meals. My kids love cabbage now!

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 07:29:49

slummymummy that is absolutely rotten, having to deal with that fight on top of coping with your health problems. i'm so sorry. i hope you manage to find some time today to look after yourself in between sorting out the work/health stuff thanks

what a fab surprise, jake, v pleased for you!

lavender sorry to hear you have more sickness to deal with, you must be utterly shattered. i hope you too manage to find some time to do something for yourself. do you have any support?

BlackAffronted Fri 22-Mar-13 07:32:34

EMUZ - fantastic! You must be well chuffed!

Lavender, hope your DD is better soon sad

IAMSM - sad hope you can get things sorted.

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 07:36:59

EMUZ have just spotted your pictures - you do look brilliant, so much sleeker and more toned too

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 07:51:14


biggest loser of the week: biscuit357
biggest losers for the whole of bootcamp: Dangerousmouse and Prettybird
biggest %age loser for the whole of bootcamp: Prettybird

BRAVO all <wild applause>

(please note that for the biggest %age loser i exclude people who use 100 as their start weight as the percentage is obviously a bit skewed, i hope this causes no offence)

thanks to everyone who has been weighing in, i hope you've found the spreadsheet useful! as you know we will have an ongoing chat thread up to the start of the next bootcamp and please do feel free to keep on weighing in if it helps you. i won't be doing biggest loser etc until the next bootcamp though.

i can't remember who it was who suggested it, but the idea of a list of products/shops that are good value or particularly low carb was a good one i thought, so i'll see if i can put something together before the next bootcamp. it would be really really helpful though if you think of any products or come across them in the course of your travels if you could post them, as there are an awful lot of old threads and i might not manage to trawl them all!

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 07:57:26


those of us who have weighed in to the end of bootcamp have lost a total of 639.9 lb, which is 290.9 kg or 45 st 9.8 lb

EwanHoozami Fri 22-Mar-13 07:59:18

slummy - good for you for getting ammunition from all sides for your case. You must be furious with them. Better to eat a Lindt bunny under those circumstances than cuddle one - awfully messy wink Don't let the bastards get you down!

Collywibbles Fri 22-Mar-13 08:09:56

Wow - that is a fantastic combined loss! A huge thank you to Willie and "BIWI* for all your support.

I am most definitely more of a lurker as I can't keep up with the threads but I love reading everyone's stories / successes / trials and tribulations. I have lost 4lbs this bootcamp which is fine. I have been LCing for nearly 2 years now and am probably nearly at target although my body shape is still changing (I do a lot of exercise).

Great photos EMUZ - what a difference! You must be so pleased.

Seems to be loads of jumping on the LC bandwagon at the moment - I had a Groupon offer today for 28 days of LC meals! I suppose it might suit some people but .......

Anyway - onwards and downwards. Looking forward to the continued chat - even if I don't often contribute. Thanks all x

BlackAffronted Fri 22-Mar-13 08:16:11

Wow, well done us! We lost the weight of about 40 average Mumsnetters grin

prettybird Fri 22-Mar-13 08:18:35

I wouldn't have lost what I did if it hadn't been for the support, inspiration and friendship of the people on here. smilethanks

I'm still continuing - have a couple of pounds to go to break 11 stone by my 52nd birthday (2 weeks tomorrow) and then about another stone to get to my target of being under 10 stone (which is what I was when I got married 15 years ago).

With any luck I'll be close to my target by the next Boot Camp, so I won't feature in the "biggest loser" awards next time around. wink

KKKKaty Fri 22-Mar-13 08:20:08

Thanks BIWI for another long reply to me, it was very helpful. Also thanks for everyone else's comments. I didn't know about the recipe thread when I wrote my last message - I went through it last night and printed a lot off so that will help! I'm sure I'll get into the swing of it. I will cut down on my dairy, tomatoes and carrots and get tough with the non-green veg eaters in this house! And I didn't have a late-night snack last night, so that's a step in the right direction. I will try and keep it up.

I had a sneaky weigh-in this morning (at the beginning of day 5 - naughty!) and I've lost about 4 pounds already shock, so that's really encouraging! smile

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 08:33:20

well done kkkkaty!

you may find, as others have done, that green veg eating is considerably improved with the application of butter!

BlackAffronted Fri 22-Mar-13 08:39:12

Great start KKKaty!

BlackAffronted Fri 22-Mar-13 08:40:11

Im am wearing a smaller pain of jeans today! Havent fitted into them since before I had DS, 5 years ago!!!

BecauseImWoeufIt Fri 22-Mar-13 08:40:33

Here is the recipe thread

I kept losing the thread, so I have added it to 'Threads I'm Watching'44

EMUZ - those photos are great - what a difference!

Iamaslummymummy - sad and angry for you. How stupid and ridiculous. I hope you manage to win your fight.

Good news Jake!

Lavender - hope your DD is better soon.

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 08:40:53

bravo, Black!

are you sashaying around the house??

BecauseImWoeufIt Fri 22-Mar-13 08:41:16

No idea where that 44 came from!

Hi littlefreida - I could swim, but then I'd have to kill myself grin

Problem is I don't much like sport and 'exercise'. I used to do step, circuit training and go to the gym because I should, but I never enjoyed it. Running was good because it was outside and interesting. I used to plan my route with an OS map, did quite a lot of cross-country too.

I may well have to think again about doing something else but right now walking a few miles every day is OK.

KKKKaty Fri 22-Mar-13 10:04:39

My concern with adding butter to everything is that my non-LCing DH is going to end up as fat as, well, butter...

Collywibbles Fri 22-Mar-13 10:08:54

This is the blog linked to the Company who have the Groupon offer. I am NOT promoting them at all as I know nothing about them - but there are some useful bits on their blog

BlackAffronted Fri 22-Mar-13 10:37:33

Willie, I am indeed grin I feel like stopping people in the street and saying "these jeans are a size 22!" lol. But I wont wink

ecuse Fri 22-Mar-13 10:44:06

EMUZ - that's amazing! I bet you're really pleased. Such a difference to your shape.

Yes, to those who are a bit confused/shocked by NHS response. I saw my doctor yesterday. He was impressed by my early weightloss but told me I was eating a 'dangerously low' amount of carb (told me to stick above 100g). But in fairness to him, he did say he might read up about it a bit because he knew it was controversial but that didn't mean it was necessarily wrong. He told me that it was dangerous to be in a ketenogenic state as that's what happens to diabetics and it can damage your liver and make your blood too acidic (I think that's what he said). It did freak me out a bit, to be honest.

I've been given leave to proceed with caution and come back in three months for a weigh-in/bloods. So that should give me motivation to carry on and prove how healthy I can be!

BlackAffronted Fri 22-Mar-13 10:58:33

ecuse, your Dr seems to be confusing being ketogenic with being ketoacidosis. Read this

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 11:11:25

NYC attempt to ban sales of soda in large volume containers is stopped - unfortunately a judge ruled it needs more work before it can be implemented

the Lancet editorial says at the end 'It is strong public health interventions that influence the consumption behaviour of individuals' - i.e. they need to stand up to the food industry. the lancet Obesity series does mention calories in - calories out, but actually focuses less on what healthy eating is defined as and more on the fact that high-level intervention is needed

Not sure how much of this is freely accessible

prettybird Fri 22-Mar-13 12:07:51

A bit sad but not surprising to read the answer from Matt Roberts in the recent MN Body Confidence discussion here

In answer to a question about a Low Carb diet - which is assumed to then mean high protein - he doesn't challenge the need for it to be high protein and although his adice isn't too too bad, you'd need to really analyse it to see he was advocating having some fat. He also obviously doesn't know anything about adapting your diet to be in a ketogenic state.

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 12:27:44

yy prettybird "Carbohydrates - or carbs - are the body's preferred energy source". aka its first choice of energy source before your body fat!

EMUZ Fri 22-Mar-13 13:43:24

Thanks grin cheating slightly as I've followed alongside but not been on spreadsheet, but that was probably 10 weeks of LC
Long way to go yet!

ecuse Fri 22-Mar-13 13:55:08

Yes! Ketoacidosis is what he said. Thanks, black, will have a read.

Arrrgh. Work bought pizza for lunch. I tried to resist by buying soup then realised my 'moroccan chicken' soup was actually mostly lentils. So I thought 'sod it if I'm going to be having carby lunch it sure as hell is going to be pizza not lentil soup'. And now I can't stop eating biscuits, which I haven't touched in nearly a month. I am utterly, utterly convinced about eating carbs meaning you crash and need to eat more carbs shortly afterwards.

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 14:22:32

gah how annoying ecuse. but you can stop it now! don't write off the rest of the day/weekend!

prettybird Fri 22-Mar-13 14:38:06

ecuse - step away from the biscuits. Step towards the water.

Fill yourself up with water. Not only will it stop you eating biscuits but it will help mitigate the damage you've done with your lapse.

You can do it. smile

middleagedspread Fri 22-Mar-13 14:41:16

Pork Recipe
I'm still with you all, but haven't reported as I've lost no weight since monday. I've been really careful, but I think my portion size is too big.
Anyway, I read a recipe on here for pork cooked in coconut milk, I've bought the ingredients but can't find it anywhere. Can anyone help, or did I imagine it?
Also, I've got celeriac for a mash, do you just mash like potato with butter?

halfthesize Fri 22-Mar-13 14:44:45

Fantastic weight loss results for this bootcamp, well done everyonegrin

halfthesize Fri 22-Mar-13 14:49:32

Well done EMUZ fantastic pics, bet you feel great thanks

EMUZ Fri 22-Mar-13 15:03:16

Feel loads better. Just a way of life now, I've told myself "I don't eat bread/pasta/potatoes"
Because I've followed the gym plan and Briffa my rules have been slightly different and I've been allowed sweet potato and any veg I want. Mainly because of the amount of gym work I'm doing!
Prep has helped me massively but I live alone which probably helps so I portion everything up in containers smile

ecuse Fri 22-Mar-13 15:05:46

I am drinking gallons of water now blush

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 15:08:02

middleagedspread I find celeriac is better whizzed in a food processor - it is quite lumpy if you just use a masher.

middleagedspread Fri 22-Mar-13 15:12:18

Great thanks Bessie, will do.

WillieWEggledEgger Fri 22-Mar-13 15:15:42

middleagedspread the recipe is among these here

middleagedspread Fri 22-Mar-13 15:25:18

I've found it thanks..sadly remembered wrong, forgotten ginger, got chops. I shall devise a stunning recipe with what I've got & report back.

As far as I know Chipping (as far as he has confessed!) the porridge was because he really fancied it, but he's been on eggy/yogurty breakfasts for the couple of weeks before hand. He emailed me very excited a few days ago to say that he'd had fried eggs with fried slices of swede for breakfast and it was even nicer than saute potatoes grin So, no, it's not out of respect for the establishment as it were, he's very skeptical of them and reads and questions a lot.

I get the impression he's a bit resigned to metformin being inevitable, it's just a question of when. And that he is not willing to drop down as far as 30g/day which is a shame as it would be really inteeresting to see if it made a dramatic difference. His own research has led him to believe that there are arguments for and against very low carbing, but that "moderate" low carbing (so the 100-150g level) is widely seen as very safe and no real downsides.

So we'll see.
I am really chuffed he's doing it at all, and it does seem to be helping, - those sugars are reducing, and his eyesight is much improved. Hopefully it will spur him on to keep trying reducing a bit further. I shall lend him Wheat Belly when I've finished with it, which might put a stop to those crumpets! <hopeful>

Roast chicken in the oven, liberally slathered in butter, I am hoping for really crispy skin! Having roast turnips, roast sprouts and bacon, mashed swede and buttered broccoli with it. Mmmm mmmm.

Any top recipes for leftover chicken that I should be aware of ladies?

I was going to make stock and try and make a sort of chicken broth/stew for lunch tomorrow with chunks of swede, celeriac, leeks etc in with it, and some lumps of chicken.

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 16:52:36

spiltthetea first off, I don't eat meat, so this recipe might not be nice but I reckon it's worth a try, with the caveat that it is from my head:

cook onion, maybe a piece of swede, celery, a bit of chopped carrot and anything else you fancy in water with some stock cubes or bouillon and leftover chicken, parsley and seasoning for a couple of hours (don't know if the chicken would need to go in later?) then add some dill for the last 10 mins or so, then drain, reserving the liquid (soup) eat veg and chicken with garlic mayonnaise.

Let me know if you try it grin

Ilisten2theradio Fri 22-Mar-13 17:24:26

I had a really crap day at work yesterday and after the children had gone to bed found myself desperately craving nibbles.
I had already realised eating after dinner was a habit, but I hadn't realised it was comfort eating too.blush
I was reasonably good though and had a few salted macademia nuts and 2 squares of 71% dark chocolate ( the Lidl Ecuadorian stuff is lovely!).

ChippingInIsEggceptional Fri 22-Mar-13 19:27:26

splittheteaagain - your Dad is doing pretty well, a lot of men his age would just take the metformin and carry on as they were. As he's so willing to learn & read a lot - could you get him a copy of Briffa (dead cheap on eBay). Perhaphs then he will believe that we can get more than enough carbs from veg etc and that 30g a day is not a dangerous level smile

Ilisten - you did well smile

I have been really hungry the past couple of days - I've been eating fat & protein & drinking lots of water - I'm not really sure what's going on?! It feels a bit pre-periody but given that would make it a week early I'll be pissed off it it is! Shockingly tired again too.

I started reading that Boots thread and got too annoyed, so I closed it down to save myself the grief! Not great as I should be 'standing up' for LCing, but I just don't have the energy tonight.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Fri 22-Mar-13 19:31:13

Oh and my weight loss is soooooooo slow as well. I completed another month today and I've only lost 2.8kg (6lb) and given I have a lot to lose, it's painful. I have been so good!! sad Gahhhhhhhhhh

Walking is zapping every last bit of energy I have as well. I'm getting fitter, but more exhausted sad

Not giving up <still evangelical> - just frustrated!

I need more protein/fat ideas for a non egg eating vegetarian.

Sorry you're feeling so exhausted chipping - when I feel like that (like my legs weigh a ton and have to be heaved up the stairs) I'm fairly sure it;s been my electrolytes out of whack. I make myself a mug of beef oxo and drink it and have a piece of cheese and feel a lot better within half an hour. I see you're veggie, but maybe try a mug of veg stock and some cheese? Avocado and spinach also supposed to be good for sorting out your salts.

I might get Briffa and read it myself and pass it on, I've been meaning to!

Protein/fat wise. I'm sure you've tried all these, but veggie <no egg> ideas of mine are:

Cheese of any sort (tomato & mozzarella, feta and olives, cheddar and gherkins, cheddar and cucumber/celery all nice combos, halloumi, paneer)

Cream cheese pancakes (but they include egg - are you no egg, or just no eggs as eggs IYSWIM? Can you cook with them?)

Greek yog with some seeds/nuts on top (I like sunflower, linseed and raw almonds)

Nuts (macadamias, almonds and pistachios are the lower in carbs)

Guacamole with veg dippers

Avocado and cheese

Coffee & cream

Cream generally! Have you tried all the turnip/swede/celeriac gratins with cream? Lots of fat there.

Try Choos tartiflette off the recipe page if you want fat. Plenty of butter, cream and brie in that, and it is amazing.

Butter/olive oil/mayo (but eggs in that!) on veg/salad. If you haven't yet then do try halving a radish, butter it, dip in salt and eat. Very yum.
For a bit of a twist, go for garlic butter on your veg instead of straight butter.

There was a sag paneer recipe posted by someone a while back if you like curry? Paneer would be a protein source •Sag paneer:
Toast some 1 tsp cumin seeds in a dry pan then remove and crush. Fry off some chopped shallots in oil add a chopped clove of garlic, teaspoon of ground coriander, the cumin, teaspoon garam masala and as much fresh chili as you like. Contiue browning until the onion is nice and soft. Chop your paneer into small pieces approx 1-2 cm cubes and add to the onion mixture, Continue over a low heat until paneer in slightly browned (1-2minutes). At this point I tend to just add my frozen spinach and leave it over a low heat to defrost and cook through. You could defrost separately and add after if you want. I use the chopped frozen spinach. You could add some cream at the end if you want a creamier texture.

Coconut milk - black has a recipe for spicy greens in cocunut milk from River Cottage Veg Everyday if that appeals?

Cauliflower and broccoli cheese?

No idea if any of that is any use but I hope so!

Thanks Bessie, that sounds not dissimilar to what I am sort of doing with the stew, except we'll have all the veg, chicken and stock all together I think for comforting warm loveliness. The carcass is in the slow cooker doing it's thing now, and I will leave it there overnight. It smells amazing! (As far as I can smell with this farking cold... )
The roast was SUBLIME. Oh how delicious. I have eaten so much chicken skin blush Like a helpless hoover pig.

Heavenly prawn curry for dinner, though will admit to one small home made flatbread, and some wine gums at work... My mum is coming for the weekend and is sure to be a bit sniffy about LC, so planning a super delicious chicken tagine then I'll just quietly ignore the cous cous that I'll serve to everyone else. Luckily she doesn't really do puddings so won't expect a big cake!

Yama Fri 22-Mar-13 20:14:01

Evening everyone, hope you are all well.

I've had the week from hell workwise so haven't kept up with the thread.

Tomorrow is looking like it's going to be shitty, weather wise, so I may get a chance to catch up.

Anyway, I have a leg of lamb slowly cooking in the oven (for 7 hours). It's gonna be a tasty weekend.

BecauseImWoeufIt Fri 22-Mar-13 20:15:08

Chipping <stern look> only 6lbs WTAF?! You know, I know, that 1-2lbs per week is what constitutes sustainable, long term weight loss.

Yes, you may have a lot to lose. But you really, really don't want to lose it too quickly. If you lose it that quickly, you are losing muscle rather than fat.

You are doing brilliantly well. Be kind to yourself! flowers

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:22:04

choos I had some really nice scrambled tofu with fried mushrooms the other day. I think the tofu was cooked with fried shallots, a tiny bit of grated carrot and then I think boiled for a bit in Swiss marigold veg bouillon. It was yummy.

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:23:57

I accidentally ate some chocolates my dad gave me today. Oops blush. I had just reached my first mini goal weight and now I have ruined it. But it seems that when the weight goes on fast incomes back off fast as well.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Fri 22-Mar-13 20:35:03


Thank you for taking the time to type all of that out smile

I can see what you are saying about oxo & cheese, when I was little I liked a hot oxo smile but honestly, I couldn't chug down a veggie stock drink (urgh). I have been having nuts (salted) and cheese.

I've had spinach 3 nights this week and I eat cheese - it's hard though, I love cheese and there are so few low carb veg fats/proteins that it's hard to not have dairy, but I wonder if that's slowing things up for me?!

Maybe it's the nuts? But honestly, if I cut out nuts, seeds & cheese/dairy I'm going to be bloody 'food free' grin

I eat an avocado every day. Today I ate two. The old me is still struggling with that concept.

What does Zoe Harcombe have against them?

I might get Briffa and read it myself and pass it on, I've been meaning to! It is well worth the few quid.

I'm having pretty much all those cheese options (but I can't do cheese from sheep or goats)

I'm a NO eggs <no eggs>

Greek yog with some seeds/nuts on top (I like sunflower, linseed and raw almonds) I've just had some smile Again with the dairy though sad even though it's one of the 'better dairy options'.

*Nuts (macadamias, almonds and pistachios are the lower in carbs)
Seeds* Yep - having plenty of those, but trying not to overdo it - so hard to know where good turns to 'too many'?

Guacamole with veg dippers Yep, enjoying that smile

Avocado and cheese Breakfast of choice (with seeds too) and just had it for dinner - I just could not be arsed to cook - it's FRIDAY!

Coffee & cream - working up to it smile Prefer latte - oops!

Cream generally! Have you tried all the turnip/swede/celeriac gratins with cream? Lots of fat there Yep - then I worry I'm having too much cream sad More of a glug than swirl in those.

Try Choos tartiflette off the recipe page if you want fat. Plenty of butter, cream and brie in that, and it is amazing Is it egg free?

*Butter/olive oil/mayo (but eggs in that!) on veg/salad. If you haven't yet then do try halving a radish, butter it, dip in salt and eat. Very yum.
For a bit of a twist, go for garlic butter on your veg instead of straight butter* I've been having mushrooms in butter most nights (love the little buggers) and other veg as well. I usually steam the veg, fry the mushrooms - add cream to make a sauce and then throw all the veg in. I make my own egg free mayo or buy the granvita one (it's nice than mine but have lots of things in it I can't pronounce - so not keen on it from that pov). Olive oil on salads.

Coconut milk - have you found a low carb one? All the ones I've seen have been high in carbs?

Cauliflower and broccoli cheese? A regular meal/side smile

Thanks again smile

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:44:05

chippingin so sorry, I had a brain malfunction and addressed my post to Choos instead of to you. I meant the scrambled tofu thing for you.

Btw, can you eat 'no egg' or is that mostly cornflour?

ChippingInIsEggceptional Fri 22-Mar-13 20:48:57

Biwi - others are losing it much faster sad It's Not Fair <stomp> I could live with 2-3lbs a week, 8-12lbs a month, but 6, really - SIX?! It's not enough sad

I am now probably going to be stuck at this weight for the next fortnight (pre-period/period) and I don't even get the sodding Woosh Fairy at the end of it <sobs>

You know how much I have to lose (or 'give away' as I prefer), surely 2 or 3 lbs every single week isn't too much to ask sad Much lighter people are getting those numbers.

I have been a very good girl <no cheating - well, except for my planned and well documented lattes) and I have been cooking (yes, me, cooking) and I want suitable rewards!! <stomp>

Not had a good night tonight - very very tired and a bit fed up. Couldn't be bothered to cook so I had (the worst meal I've had in 2 months) - a ton of mushrooms cooked in butter, an avocado with seeds, 2 slices of pre-sliced cheese, 25g of peppercorn cheddar. Didn't do the job.

40g of stilton, olives, almonds, cashews (first I've had in two months, I know they are high in carbs for nuts). Yogurt with Q10. Still didn't do the job.

30g of basil infused tofu.

Finally stopped feeling hungry. This is definitely the worst night I've had low carbing sad BUT I didn't fall into the carbs - so that's good smile

JakeBullet Fri 22-Mar-13 20:51:06

So Sucralose is the work of the devil......and I always thought it was celery.

So long story short I took my parents shopping today, bought some mini cheeses etc. Took Ma &Pa home, went to collect DS from school and then was starving. Went into boot for one of the mini cheeses only to discover ,y dear Dad had taken MY shopping in as well as theirs!

So raided car, found some clear mints ...sugar free so ate about four waiting for DS,

Tonight the whole world has.....ahem..,.,,left my body and the bloating and abdo cramps are hideous. Never, ever again will I touch the stuff!

ChippingInIsEggceptional Fri 22-Mar-13 20:51:46

Bessie grin I have some tofu in the cupboard, I'll have a look at the scrambled recipe smile Thanks.

I also have 'no egg' in the cupboard but I looked at it a while ago and thought 'that's a no go then' - but I'll have another look at it tomorrow and see why I thought that (I think it is full of flours of some kind). I should look now but I really cannot be arsed to move an inch!

ChippingInIsEggceptional Fri 22-Mar-13 20:55:00

Jake sad Poor you!

I guess your Dad thought he was being helpful...

I haven't eaten any of those 'sugar free' things myself, but on another thread someone else had done the same thing, with the same results sad

On the flip side -weigh in tommorow morning grin Silver lining and all that!

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:55:49

I have some - I will have a look

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:57:35

Hmm, it might be a no, not sure.

Potato starch, tapioca flour, calcium carbonate, citric acid, vegetable gum.

72.4g carb per 100g. BUT only 2g carb per serving..?

Bessie123 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:58:45

If you can have no egg you can make the cauli pizza, it is quite nice.

The tartiflette is very much egg free. Basically slice thinly some turnips/swede/celeriac (a mixture is nice) and boil them for a couple of mins til soft. Then fry in generous amounts of butter, then add some sliced leeks and garlic, fry a bit more. Chuck in some cubes of brie or similar cheese, then I added a good swirl of cream. Mix it round, chuck in an oven dish and stick under the grill until melty. Eat with green veg or your bare hands

It also fries up very nicely for a crispy saute spuds style breakfast.

You don't have to make the coffee entirely with cream you know! grin Just a splash.

And for the gratins, I see no reason why you couldn't make them part stock, part cream for a less heavy experience. Add a little grated cheese to the top and have it with veg?

Arf at food free!! grin

Jake you poor thing, that sounds grim. Hope it is short lived!! I carry a little tiny pot with almonds in in my bag for emergencies. Can you stash something similar in your bag/car? Nuts are good for being fairly long life and not needing fridging.

Still very much in the market for ideas for cold chicken by the way! (apols to the veggies..)

BecauseImWoeufIt Fri 22-Mar-13 21:19:54

ChippingIn sorry - but you made me <snigger>

You know the drill. We aren't in competition. Everyone is different.

And - as I'm sure you well know - not many people are really losing at that rate every week.

You are tired and cross. Have an early night, and then tomorrow all will seem better.

Honestly! <head tilts in patronising manner>

I mix up leftover chicken in a pan with fried up courgette and leek, chopped feta and black olives. Mix in a tiny bit of pesto and bit or cream, can add spinach or cabbage for more bulk. My new discovery - mix up cream and a few frozen raspberries - ta da, ice cream! (Ish...)

That sounds nice littlemiss as does the ice cream

ChippingInIsEggceptional Fri 22-Mar-13 21:47:44

Bessie - Thanks for looking smile Potato starch - that'll be why it's on the 'try later' shelf smile For other reasons I'm having to totally avoid potato starch.

Spilt - sorry, being tired and dense, of course tartiflette is egg free - duh. I spent seasons living on the bloody stuff grin - and basically what I've had occasionally recently, but not called it that - twat alert grin

BIWI Glad to be of service grin I'm not even slightly competitive about this - I just want the sodding Woosh Fairy to stop bypassing me!! little cow I need to ditch 4kg this month, I have a point to prove to a certain woman!

BecauseImWoeufIt Fri 22-Mar-13 22:01:10


LittleFrieda Fri 22-Mar-13 22:34:58

Thanks or he link to the recipe thread. It's really helpful.

B no
L salad Nicoise: tuna, eggs, anchovies, a v few teeny cherry toms, a slice or two of red onion and lots of lettuce topped off with a big blob of mayo.
D Chicken breast strips and chorizo sautéed then tossed in rocket leaves with parmesan shavings with a big drizzle of olive oil.

Trying hard to drink sufficient water.

I went on a bike ride today to try and get some sensible exercise and when I came back my face was so cold it didn't move when I talked. It was as though I'd had Botox. grin

Lavenderhoney Sat 23-Mar-13 03:17:30

Little friedasmile

Splitthetea, if I kept nuts in a pot in my handbag they would be gone at the first set f traffic lightssmile I throw babybel in my handbag as I don't really like them so I have to be starving....

I have just realised haven't had a latte since 7 jan. I have a cappuccino instead, once a week, and I loudly say " yes, full fat milk please" which always makes me want to laugh and I don't know whysmile

Dh took ds to kids party yesterday so I managed to avoid the kids carb festsmile ds muttered crossly to dh it was all junk food but squashed down some pizza anywaysmile

Thanks to all that asked. Dd is getting better. we had arranged to go out for dinner, but invited the hosts to us instead . The lady still insisted on cooking, all beautiful Thai food - she used to be a private chef smile so I did try the carb stuff, like some jasmine rice but only a small amount. She had no idea I was lc though, I hadn't met them before.

Feel totally exhausted, and I need to write down what I do all day and squash in some formal exercising. I think evening will be the only time, but falling asleep with dd isn't helping.

JakeBullet Sat 23-Mar-13 06:30:21

I have lost a total of 18lbs since 25th February....cannot believe it. So so pleased....and not a single calorie has been counted.

Going to make some Parmesan shortbread this morning and try not to eat it all lol.

Yama Sat 23-Mar-13 08:43:33

Morning everyone.

The country seems to be in chaos with the snow. We've not got any and haven't had any this winter. At all. Feel a bit left out.

Anyway, after a lovely breakfast of bacon and eggs and a cup of tea, dh has just emerged from his lie in and will be making some nice coffee.

What's everyone doing with the weekend?

After dd's swimming lesson later, we have no plans. What to do? I need inspiration.

BecauseImWoeufIt Sat 23-Mar-13 09:17:56

Off to my Chinese class shortly and then I really have to go and do my run. I've had a week off as my shins were sore after my last run - my first 25 minute run - and I don't want to get shin splints. I need to run today on a softer surface than the road/pavement - so will have to go to the park - but everything is really wet and muddy so it's not going to be the most pleasant of runs! It's also snowing here too ...

EwanHoozami Sat 23-Mar-13 09:25:46

Morning all! Just soggy sleet here. I have two poorly small boys and DH is working away so today will feel loooooooooong.

Yama how old are your DCs? Are there any museums or craft fairs etc locally you could go to?

Yama Sat 23-Mar-13 09:36:32

Dc are 7 and 2. Yes, we will need to get out. The library might be the answer.

Last weekend we stumbled across a Peter Howson exhibition at one of local parks - there is a gallery which usually hosts local children's artwork. Dd has her 'Dragonfly' exhibited there when she was three. grin

Two poorly small boys doesn't sound like fun. Ds is on his second batch of anti-bios of 2013 due to another ear infection. It's been a bad winter for illness in our house.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Sat 23-Mar-13 09:53:21

It's snowing here - it looks pretty on the rooftops, but it's too wet on the ground for it to settle.

BIWI - what course are you doing? Sorry to hear about the shins sad Shin splints are horrible. I found that if I walked more slowly to 'warm up/stretch/whatever' my shins didn't hurt, but if I started off really fast they did.

LH - I'm pleased your DD is a bit better - long may it last! Your dinner sounds lovely, I love Thai food especially pad thai.

BlackAffronted Sat 23-Mar-13 10:47:31

Chipping, I feel your frustration sad I was like that weeks 2 to 7, I didnt seem to be shifting weight. I waited (though not patiently haha) and it finally started to come off again. I do think some of that is due to the leptin reset I am doing, but the point is that I had to just wait. And wait. I am hoping the whoosh fairy comes to you this week smile

Im off to our nearest city to do some shooping today, and H wants to go to a chinese buffet pace - how will that work for me? sad Hoping there is duck pancakes, so I can have loads of duck & salad.

Bessie123 Sat 23-Mar-13 12:10:01

yama did you know that recurrent ear infections can be a sign of dairy intolerance?

carbalanche Sat 23-Mar-13 12:53:52

Hi everyone, just cracked and had a bit of malt-loaf with butter on at a local coffee morning along with a fully caffeinated mug of coffee - whoops!

I am a bit disappointed with myself but I haven't had any breakfast and it's now 12.45 and I need to decide what to eat in damage limitation terms. A few scrambled eggs might be in order.

I don't want to jinx things but I feel I am going through one of those weight-loss periods where even if I have a few cheats I still manage to lose. The scales look very hopeful at the moment but then I put a pound on overnight because I had about 4 glasses of fizz so I must try and not get complacent.

The human body is a strange thing - I think there are times when your body decides to hold on to the weight and times when it decides to let some go. If you've been doing this WOE for a few weeks/months it can be such a surprise to one day see the scales go down and the next go up. I don't fully understand why but I think the key is to keep going for long enough to let your body adjust to this WOE. It's a bugger when you plateau but stick at it! Hang on in there Chipping!

Am intrigued by your Chinese lessons BIWI - are they language classes? I would love to learn another language but spend so much time procrastinating over which one I should learn that I end up learning nothing!

BecauseImWoeufIt Sat 23-Mar-13 12:57:32

We're following the GCSE syllabus/book, but I am under no illusions that I am anywhere near ready to do a GCSE. I've been doing it for 5 or 6 years now (I have lost count!), but I only have one lesson a week, and don't put much effort or time in, in between, so progress is painfully slow. I'm glad I'm doing it, though as it is so different.

NoelHeadbands Sat 23-Mar-13 13:34:01

Afternoon all

I spent much of last week pondering why I haven't seen the same losses on this Bootcamp as I have previously. Admittedly there have been food cheats here and there, but then again there always has been!

The big difference has been alcohol and caffeine. When I started LCing last year, I gave both up for about six months. Since Xmas though, there has been a bit of wine and I've started drinking good black coffee, several a day. So on Monday I decided to drop the caffeine.

Luckily I haven't had the brain crushing withdrawal that I had last time, and perhaps it's psychological but I swear I've felt 'different'- you know that empty (but not hungry) 'light' feeling? And lo and behold, 2lb has gone this morning.

Anyone else avoiding caffeine for weight loss?

ChippingInIsEggceptional Sat 23-Mar-13 13:37:50

Have you also dropped the alcohol?

ChippingInIsEggceptional Sat 23-Mar-13 13:43:49

Black thank you smile I hope she visits too! Enjoy your chinese - I hope you can find something lc, watch out for hidden sugar! I don't know what to suggest (being vegetarian) but hopefully someone else will be along before then!

Carbalanche thanks smile I'm 'hanging in there' but it's a close thing today, I'm so so so tired, cold and did I mention tired? It's freezing in my kitchen and I just don't want to go in there to make lunch and a 'pack up' dinner - pout. Malt loaf & butter sounds very good smile I mean terrible, you naughty girl - drink lots & lots of water grin

BIWI that sounds like hard work! How was DS2's 18th?

NoelHeadbands Sat 23-Mar-13 13:45:42

Yeah I'll be avoiding alcohol for a while but tbh that was only an odd drink here and there anyway, not a regular thing.

Chipping I had another fat thought. Sesame oil? Lovely to dress hot veg with, makes it taste a bit eastern and interesting. And not dairy!

Yama Sat 23-Mar-13 14:20:55

Bessie123 - I didn't know that, no. Very interesting. Dh is lactose intolerant.

Ds is a stubborn food refuser and will only eat certain things at home - mainly cheese, yoghurt and cereal. Thank God he goes to nursery, he eats everything they give him there.

Dh and I are going to have to take on his food refusal at home. Man, 2 year olds are stubborn wee blighters, aren't they?

NoelHeadbands Sat 23-Mar-13 17:59:54

Yama I have my own stubborn wee blighted- she's twelve confused.

She used to be a dream to feed at 2yo as well, so don't worry, things can change!

She gives me the look of death when I tell her she used to pop sprouts in her gob like Smarties.

B - bacon, eggs, tomato and sausages
L - slices of butter spread with potted beef
T - duck breast with bacon and cabbage

Yama Sat 23-Mar-13 19:16:51

Oh dear Noel, I'd forgotten that children turn 12 at some point. Thinking back it was probably my worst age. I was so right about everything.

Our 7 year old eats everything we give her. We've always had this rule that she at least try what's been cooked.

Anyway, we are going to eliminate dairy for a while and see if ds's constant blocked nose eases. Coconut milk and Provomel vanilla dessert will replace milk and yoghurt. It's worth a try.

Bessie123 Sat 23-Mar-13 19:18:27

That provomel pudding is delicious, esp the chocolate one.

Yama Sat 23-Mar-13 19:23:45

Yeah, dh wanted to get the chocolate. He'd eat it all though so I overruled. grin

timidviper Sat 23-Mar-13 19:24:54

Noel The caffeine thing is odd as some people say it stalls weight loss yet others say, as a stimulant, it speeds it and it is a major ingredient in Fat Burner type preparations. I would just go with what feels right for you.

Bessie I have a brother who lived on processed cheese, white bread and tomato ketchup for years. Anything else Mum gave him, he just vommed back but he survived it! (He is now in his 40s and over 6 foot tall although still a bit picky but that's what happens when you marry a lentil weaving weirdo can you tell how much I love SIL? )

Bessie123 Sat 23-Mar-13 19:26:54

Meanie grin

Bessie123 Sat 23-Mar-13 19:29:22

Oh, sorry, timidviper I was calling yama a meanie, for her choc pudding ban. But I am a bit of a lentil weaving weirdo myself grin

Iamaslummymummy Sat 23-Mar-13 19:53:48

Just checking in.

Still going through biggest stress of my life with being assessed as not able to do any job but not qualifying for a pension. I'm 36. sad

Now having to get a solicitor etc. Aaaarrrgggghhhh

However this woe is keeping me on the straight and narrow. Instead of falling into fig rolls and marmite toast, I'm having 85% chocolate and yogurt with cream. Not binging like I would have though. Please don't take me off the spreadsheet. I'll have my final weigh in tomorrow.

Ruprekt Sat 23-Mar-13 20:35:51

Went to Zizzi last night with friends. Had aubergine involtini to start then pork belly with spring greens and a litre fizzy water to myself. I also drove so wasnt tempted to drink even tho I have been teetotal since 1 Jan!

Dh made a lowcarb lasagne tonight. Fantastic!

Layers of veal mince bolognaise made with passata and shallots and garlic, slices mozzarella and layers of sauteed leeks with bacon.

Crispy crunchy layer of cooked cheese on top. Really fabulous!

smilesmilesmile Will weigh again tomorrow. Not as obsessed with all the weighing like I used to be. The food is to die for!

Oh Iamaslummymummy what a lot of stress you could do without sad Well done on sticking to the woe. The really dark choc is so good though isn't it! I can't believe I used to find milk choc nice anymore.

timid fussy eaters can be an utter nightmare. Your poor mother. It's just so depressing when they will only eat crap. We have been through several such phases with DD already, but I dread getting entrenched in a proper several year long stint of ketchup on pasta. Tonight she ate sultanas (pre dinner), chicken (declined all veg, as broccoli the beloved was not forthcoming - apparently swede, celeriac, celery, leek, savoy, onion and carrot were all unpalatable substitutes), pineapple, chocolate cake hmm Not particularly impressed with that! And then a bit of greek yog before bed.

Incidentally, i owe someone somewhere on MN a huge debt of gratitude for giving me the idea of making chicken stock in the slow cooker overnight. It was by far the richest, darkest, tastiest stock I have ever made. And the easiest! You just fry the carcass in a saucepan with a chopped onion and carrot and small knob of butter for about 10 mins to get colour on it all, generously season and I added a splash of worcester sauce, mushroom ketchup, 3 bay leaves, bouquet garni and some fresh thyme and rosemary. Then cover the bones & veg with boiling water, and tip the whole lot into the slow cooker and leave on low for about 12 hours. Then strain out the bones & discard the pulpy veg and there is your gorgeous stock.

I used the stock this evening to make an absolutely divine chicken stew, finished with a splosh of cream. Tasted like it was so very very good for you too.

Why is it that leftovers are so often yummier than the original meal? We fried up all the leftover veg from last night's roast, bubble and squeak style and had it with boiled eggs for lunch and that was scrumptious too. And so easy!

jake how are you doing with that batch of parmesan shortbread?? Any left? grin I am going to try using it tomorrow to top a pie made with leftover chicken and sauteed leeks in a creamy sauce. Hopeful.

God yes, with you on that Ruprekt! I have never eaten so much delicious food in my life! Definitely becomming a better and more confident cook too. I just come on here to post long descriptions of meals I am still in raptures over blush

There are some absolutely gorgeous (and easy!) recipes on this thread. I am very taken with the following idea:
"Creamy green veg bake: Bag of frozen chopped cabbage. Put in pan with butter salt pepper and bag of frozen chopped leeks. Add chopped sprouts and bag of washed spring greens. Three chunks of frozen garlic added. Sauté until all frozen veg soft. Pour into shallow dish. Pour over cream or creme fraiche and cover in cheese. Best veggie bake ever."

sounds fab.

Another that sounds good (having to ignore all the puds!)
"Cut a pack of sausages into pieces, brown under grill. Place in ovenproof dish. Add a pack of frozen char grilled veg. Whack in the oven for 30 mins on high. Just before serving sprinkle half a pack of grated mozzarella cheese over the top. "

And this sounds divine - esp the "posher" incarnation at the end:
Middle Eastern Style Roasted Cauliflower.

Lots of cauli florets, bunged in a big roasting tray, drizzled with tons of olive oil (I like to add 1/4 of a teaspoon each of cumin and turmeric to the oil but you don't have to) a good dose of salt and pepper, and roast, long and slow until it's soft and golden. If you have the oven too high the flowery bits will burn before the stalks are softened.

Again, this is absolutely delicious hot or cold, but best at room temp, and a big batch gets bunged in the fridge and picked at for a few days in my house.--if it lasts that long.--

If you want to make it a bit posher you can sprinkle it with tiny confetti of red, green and yellow peppers and very finely chopped red onion, and drizzle with tahina sauce. (tahina paste mixed with water and lemon juice..) It's a lovely salad to go with simple roast chicken or lamb chops, great for parties and barbecues.

Sorry, I will stop spamming the thread and let anyone interested go hunting for themselves!

BecauseImWoeufIt Sat 23-Mar-13 21:58:10


You are the best kind of spammer, spiltthetea

Ah you made me blush

Lavenderhoney Sun 24-Mar-13 02:51:38

Is there another weigh in tomorrow? I thought it had finished?!! And I had a bowl of ice cream yesterday. Ds is poorly as well now with a sore throat, and ds and I both felt some ice cream would ease his pain. He was too poorly and also awake in the night with a vv high temp. Docs ASAP again I think.

B- bab
L- duck breast pan fried with broccoli. Dc had same but with spaghetti and I quickly fried the cooked pasta in the duck pan after and I was SO temptedsmile
D- lc sausages, creamy mash, green beans and broccoli, all veg slathered in butter.

Cafe creme, water.
No snacks, mainly as I didn't have any lc ones and I need to go shopping and the dc aren't well enough.

BlackAffronted Sun 24-Mar-13 07:19:07

No, keep sharing Split! I cant read the thread because I will want to cook everything, not just the ow carb ideas grin

I have a friend who came over for lunch yesterday, who is going to try this woe smile She asked if I wuld keep a food diary for a week, writing out all the recipes I use (as she isnt much of a cook) and then she will try it out. Every meal I mentioned, she almost salivated over so I am sure this would be perfect for her.

Ate a shedload of carbs yesterday. Off to the naughty step <hangs head>

Ok then black, here are the ones I've saved. Obv may need some minor tweaks to lower the carbs, but I feel inspired!

Prawns and chorizo, tapas style
Serve with green salad
Bag of frozen, uncooked, de-veined king prawns, defrosted. Some sliced chorizo. Some finely chopped red onion or shallots and a couple of cloves of garlic crushed. Saute the shallots and garlic in olive oil, add the chorizo, cook until lightly browned and all the lovely paprika flavoured oil is released, add about half a glass of dry white wine, bring to the boil and reduce a bit, add the prawns, turn the heat down to medium, cook for about 5 minutes with the lid on, until the prawns are ready. Season with salt and freshly ground black pepper, add a squeeze of lemon juice and a big handful of fresh, roughly chopped flat leaf parsley.

A slightly ammended one:
Fish pie (not creamy)
1-2 packs Smoked mackerel
Frozen or fresh spinach, either defrosted or wilted in a pan if fresh
1 tin ratatouille
2 baking potatoes (so swede/celeriac/turnip instead)
Preheat oven to 180. Slice potato substitutes and boil for a couple of mins til hot and par-cooked.
Get an ovenproof casserole and flake the fish into the bottom of it. Cover with the defrosted/wilted spinach. Spread the ratatouille over the top of the spinach. Top with the sliced “potatoes”. Dot with butter. Bake for 20 mins, serve with salad.

Sausage tray bake
Cook sausages in a roasting tray. Prick the skins. Add chopped red onion, courgettes, aubergine, half tin chopped tomatoes, basil leaves, garlic, salt & pepper. Also add chilli or other herbs if you want. If you don't have any basil or herbs and couple of dollops of pesto will do. Drizzle with olive oil and put in oven. You can add some balsamic vinegar if you wish. Put back in oven for 25 mins. Serve with salad.

Salmon with pesto and parmesan crust, served with confit baby tomatoes
First do your tomatoes. Buy cherry tomatoes still on the vine, drizzle with olive oil and balsamic vinegar, and roast them very slowly in a medium oven for about an hour so they stay whole and don't turn to mush. Before cooking snip the vine into smaller strips so each person has about four or five each.
Meanwhile, get your salmon steaks, smear top with pesto, sprinkle with parmesan cheese.
Take the tomatoes out when they look softened, slightly browned and caramelised and the juices look nice and syrupy, but they have stayed whole. Keep warm, and whack your oven up to about 200c. Heat a flat baking tray covered with a bit of lightly oiled foil until really hot.
Whack the salmon in, leave the steaks for no more than about 4 or 5 minutes, then turn the oven off and the grill on, just to finish browning the top and melting the cheese. (or leave for about 7 minutes in total and finish the tops off with a cook's blowtorch)
The whole thing will take about 8 minutes. No more, or the fish will be dry.
Serve with garlicy green veg.

A sort of Aubergine Parmegiana.
Slice a couple of aubergines, sling them in the oven on bout 180c drizzled generously with olive oil, salt and pepper, and a bit of thyme and oregano or marjoram.
While that is cooking, soften some red onion in olive oil, and and a some chopped up streaky bacon fried in olive oil, slowly so that the fat has started to render down and the bacon has started to brown, but not too much. Add them to the aubergines in the oven and continue to bake until the aubergines are soft and have started to colour nicely. Top with loads of mozzarella cheese and some grated parmesan as well, and stick back in the oven until the cheese has melted and gone golden on top.
You can eat this straight from the oven, but it's much nicer if you leave it go go to room temperature as it firms up a bit, and you can slice it like pie. I keep it in the fridge and eat cold for lunch as well.

Coconut Chicken
• Coconut milk 2 1/2 cups
• Boneless chicken breasts, cut into small pieces 2
• Fresh coriander leaves with roots 1/4 cup
• Fish sauce 2 teaspoons
• Green chillies 1
• Fresh red chillies 1-2
• Lemon 1
• Fresh basil leaves 15-18
• Salt to taste
Chop coriander leaves with roots. Put chicken pieces in a deep non stick pan, add fish sauce and mix. Chop green and red chillies and add along with coriander leaves. Grate rind of ½ a lemon and add. Add coconut milk, basil leaves and salt and mix. Cook on medium heat till chicken is completely cooked. Serve with cauli rice.

Quick frozen yogurt
Frozen berries (raspberries work well), pot of Greek yoghurt, and some sweetener. Blitz frozen fruit in food processor, when all grainy add the yoghurt, and whizz around until the yoghurt freezes. Add sweetener to taste. Voila! Instant frozen yoghurt. Will work with cream too, but yog is healthier.

Pot au Chocolat
250g (I think) of good chocolate
130ml (or whatever the standard carton size is) of cream
1 egg yolk, beaten
Break up the chocolate and put in a switched-off blender. Heat the cream slowly in a pan, then, carefullly pour the hot cream over the chocolate and blend at the same time (so the chocolate melts) and then add in the egg yolk towards the end. Continue to beat until fully mixed, less so if you like some chocolate lumps. Pour into small glasses/bowls, and leave in the fridge to set. Tah dah! and if you want some variety, add in things like a shot of espresso or vanilla essence or orange essence or whatever.

Have also saved links to the following: with swede/turnip?

BlackAffronted Sun 24-Mar-13 07:50:41

Oh they all sound good!

thekitchenfairy Sun 24-Mar-13 09:00:02

Just checking in before I load up a LC brekkie and a coffee with cream while I catch up n this thread.

My final weigh in is 136, have lost 8lb... Not as much as I had hoped, but I am delighted. So many inches have gone,... As has the fuzz in my head... I've had some major stresses this year but for the first time ever, food has not been my crutch.

Still need to work on the wine, but something has to give grin

Thank you so so much... BIWI... Willie... Black...ruprekt... Slummy... I want to roll call all your names as it is the advice, support, wit and wisdom of this thread that has kept me going.

Will there be another thread to carry on chatting?

Yama Sun 24-Mar-13 09:15:17

Ha! TheKitchenFairy - I ended up at 135.5 after losing 8lbs. I too am delighted but could do with reducing the wine intake. smile

My turn for a lie in this morning. Thing about these BAB's though is that they have to be cooked. So, while dh was busy cooking bacon and eggs for he and dd, I had a small boy snuggled up to me singing. Nice way to wake up I suppose but no extra, much needed, sleep.

The sun is threatening to come out but it looks mighty windy out there. Short walk only today. Maybe to the beach and back.

Have a lovely Sunday everyone.

JakeBullet Sun 24-Mar-13 09:23:54

My takeaway from these threads is thr desire to master a few low carb recipes. I still cannot clsim to be perfect but for the first time ever my binge eating disorder is under control snd thst is a msssive step forward for me. I have gone from virtually daily binges to one since 25th Feb and for that there were deep seated reasons which I am addressing in counselling.

Amazing progress. ..the most I have ever made.

Yama Sun 24-Mar-13 09:33:21

I made this lamb stew on Friday night. However, I omitted the onions and added a chopped turnip. Oh, and I only used a half leg of lamb.

I cooked it for 5 hours on Friday night. On Saturday I halved the meat and the stew. I reheated one half and served with pointed cabbage. Best dinner I've had in a while. Dh and dd scoffed theirs down too. The other half is for tonight.

Looks delicious Yama. Did you use the oven or a slow cooker?

I love your posts jake they are so inspiring smile

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 24-Mar-13 09:58:23

Jake - that's brilliant. I am so pleased for you. thanks

Pumpkin & chilli soup for lunch today. Found it lurking in the back of the freezer from when I made a jacko lantern at halloween.

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 24-Mar-13 10:00:07

Lavender - there isn't an official weigh-in, but the spreadsheet will be kept going until the next Bootcamp, so nothing to stop people weighing-in every Monday.

Spilt - those recipes look fab. Have you put them on the recipe thread? But just a pointer - it's always better to substitute the onion for shallots if you can - shallots are only 3.3g carbs per 100g compared with 7.9g for onions (although I suspect red onions are a little higher).

And no balsamic vinegar! It's really high in carbs.

Yama Sun 24-Mar-13 10:10:46

Oven at 120 degrees Split.

You know, I used to think that I couldn't eat lamb as it gave me a sore stomach. Now I realise that it was what was being served with the lamb that hurt me.

JakeBullet Sun 24-Mar-13 10:17:48

Car has flat tyre again hmm . A bit suspicious tbh.....second one in a week!
Desire to binge is massive. ..frustration, anger etc. Going to make some Parmesan shortbread to keep me on tbe straight and narrow.
Drinking fizzy water and calming down....going to get stuck into housework in a bit.
Grrr....I hate frustrations.

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 24-Mar-13 10:22:34

Any idea why, Jake? Have you checked the ground for nails?

JakeBullet Sun 24-Mar-13 10:40:35

Will do ss the one last week had a nail in it. Grrr.
Calm nowgrin

I know BIWI, the recipes do need a little tweaking to make them properly low carb but I shall let people do that for themselves (CBA!). Will c&P them onto the recipe thread for safekeeping. MN is great when stuck in a food rut!

middleagedspread Sun 24-Mar-13 13:21:45

Just to tell you I did the Spanish Chicken recipe last night, added some black olives with a side of pureed celeriac, was absolutely delicious. What a great find.

timidviper Sun 24-Mar-13 14:13:01

I bought a Barefoot Contessa cookery book last week called "How Easy Was That?" and it looks to have some nice veg recipes in.

I'm not doing brilliantly atm, am feeling very nauseous which I'm not sure if it's left over from the tummy bug of last week or a side-effect of my TMJ problem which is giving me headache, faceache, etc. Whichever it is I am not wanting to eat sensible protein and veg so am finding it hard to eat properly.

WillieWEggledEgger Sun 24-Mar-13 15:14:12

Interesting that doing 'fancy' things to veg is quite an everyday thing for low carbing people!

Sorry you've got this tmj pain viper. Is it chewing that's the major problem or is it more a problem of appetite?

Yama Sun 24-Mar-13 17:55:44

Split - I made the Fish Pie (non creamy). I used turnip to top.

Dh and I loved it, dd picked out and ate the mackerel.

NoelHeadbands Sun 24-Mar-13 18:13:38

I think it's quite funny how when you tell people you're low carbing they assume you eat tons of meat. I have never eaten as much, or as varied, vegetable dishes as I do now.

B- nowt
L - celery sticks with potted beef and butter
T - roast pork and crackling with sprouts and buttered cabbage, broccoli and a small spoon of roasted Jerusalem artichokes

That's fab Yama. I might try it for a lunch with DD at somepoint this week. She is a smoked fish fiend. (I keep getting my hand slapped on threads in Food for saying my 19month old loves smoked fish - apparently it is too salty and bad for her hmm I really do not think that the 2 tsps she eats as a helping is going to give her salt poisoning.... she gets no jar sauces, hardly any bread, no cereals other than straight oats in milk so very little salt sneaks in by default. And it's oily fish! That is brain food grin). How old is your DD?

Mine has had a feast day, after famine yesterday. She has Not Stopped Eating all day. Inhaling cherry tomatoes shock

Noel I get that too "oh a high protein diet?", Erm, no actually, normal protein, high fat. Then they look even more scared and start gasping about arteries etc grin Likewise, the veg is so much more interesting now, it has to be, you've got the old carb "space" on the plate so have to think of something to put in it, and I don't know about you, but it's all been far more tasty than some boiled pasta or rice.

Ruprekt Sun 24-Mar-13 19:37:14

B bacon, egg and spinach

L nothing

S. half an avocado

D. Lamb curry with sauteed cabbage, aloo saag with celeriac not potato. Very tasty. smilesmile

Camomile and spiced apple tea

Yama Sun 24-Mar-13 19:44:40

She's 7 Split and a smoked fish fiend too. She drinks loads of water though so the saltiness of the fish doesn't worry me.

Dh was brought up to at least taste whatever was put on his plate. He's encouraged dd to do the same so she's a great eater. Ds on the other hand is a long way off agreeing to such a deal (he's 2.7). I will be a very happy woman they day he eats smoked fish. grin

MaryBeardfanclub Sun 24-Mar-13 20:00:08

i am completely done in after a weekend of ds1 creating madness and noise round the whole house, we have both screamed at him til our throats hurt - last 2 weeks of him have been unbearable - dp looks fit to drop.

ds1 and dp have departed for a week at GPs - they are staying there each night this week whilst I sleep train ds2 (for the 6th time). shock

what is wrong with smoked fish indeed? the kids had smoked mackerel tonight with cabbage & carrots and sauteed pots - ate the lot

I had vinegar chicken - reminds me of that mumsnetter of yore vinegartits.
it was quite tasty - from Leiths cookery bible, basically chicken fried in butter, lots of cream added grin

jake i also find your posts so inspirational - so glad you are on this thread.

timid i love the barefoot contessa - her food looks like just what I want to eat

am off to tidy up before the night begins, wish me luck...

Hi all, boozy night last night for me and succumbed to apple crumble at the pub having lunch with the family... But will be back on it tomorrow, despite my stepdad giving me a big lecture about how my cholesterol will be through the roof... Am off for an early bed!

Sounds like you drew the short straw there Mary... good luck!

We were invited out to lunch today. It was a really good example of the things that get thrown at you when you're trying to low carb.

Starter was prawn cocktail. Fab.

Main course - all plated up and served to us directly - roast beef, Yorkshire pudding, roast potatoes, parsnip puree and sugar snap peas, with red wine gravy.

Pudding - blackberry and rhubarb crumble with custard.

Lovely, and impossible to refuse.

In these circumstances, all you can possibly do is 'go with the flow' and enjoy it. It's life.

timidviper Sun 24-Mar-13 22:59:16

You are right BIWI it is life but I have to make life take a back seat and get back on track tomorrow. I've had a whole week of being crap because my jaw hurt and I felt queazy so have eaten bread because it's soft and easy but I am going to start again tomorrow.

OMG the Barefoot Contessa celeriac was gorgeous. It was 2 large celeriac (about 5lb weight) peeled and diced, sweated in 2 tblsp butter for 10mins, add 250ml chicken stock and 250ml double cream, simmer for 20 mins then puree and season well.

I know, timid. But sometimes you really can't do anything about it sad

That celeriac soup sounds gorgeous.

EwanHoozami Mon 25-Mar-13 09:00:54

<fanfare> I have finally shifted the last pound that means I HAVE LOST TWO STONE! Sorry for the yelling but I'm so chuffed. The first stone melted off like all the butter I was eating, the next half a stone was a bit of a chore but this last half stone has been a slog. Not helped by Christmas and the cold weather. But I've beaten it and weigh the same now as I did when I was 21 shock

5'8", 10st 3lb and size 10-12. I actually feel a bit emotional writing that down blush

I thought my target would be 10st but we'll see what my body does over the next month. I feel quite happy here, tbh.

Mary how did the sleep training go? any breakthroughs? Hope you're not too knackered. Must be lovely to have some one-on-one time with the little 'un.


Brilliant, Ewan!

carbalanche Mon 25-Mar-13 09:32:54

Congratulations EwanHoozami that's a great weight for your height - I am aiming for that weight and I'm only 5ft4! The going really gets tough when you are trying to lose as "little" as half a stone. I'm in the fat melting away zone at the moment and know that this next period before the start of the next Bootcamp will be critical and more difficult than these first 10 weeks. Got a long way to go!

Am just about to pop this week's 4 pounds weightloss on the spreadsheet!

BIWI, do you think we should just keep this thread going rather than start another interim weekly thread before the next Bootcamp? Might be easier to keep a track of it - what does anyone else think?

PassNoRemark Mon 25-Mar-13 09:43:33

Marks place for the next one - am starting today after a long break and obvious increase in girth!

WillieWEggledEgger Mon 25-Mar-13 09:58:09

<little dance for ewan>

JakeBullet Mon 25-Mar-13 10:01:21

Lost another 2lbs woohoo! That's 18lbs in total grin

LittleFrieda Mon 25-Mar-13 11:33:20

Well done everyone.

That celeriac soup sounds lovely.

I had a bad day yesterday. Ate peanuts after swimming. Then more peanuts. Thn did not enjoy my lunch (belly pork with green beans) nor dinner (tuna mayo salad) so ate a big bar of 80% cocoa chocolate instead.

I should have had breakfast before going swimming, I think it would have avoided the spiral of despair.

timidviper Mon 25-Mar-13 13:15:31

Well done Ewan that's amazing! I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling inspired by the success of those of you who are further along in your weight loss aims.

The celeriac is really meant to be served as a pureed vegetable but I think ours must be smaller than in the USA, as are most vegetables (she says 2 celeriac = 5lbs in weight where 2 large ones here were just over 3.5) so you can either scale the liquid down or have it as a soup. It is delicious, I promise you.

I have had some ham hock and scrambled eggs for breakfast in my attempts to get back on the wagon... So far, so good.

NoelHeadbands Mon 25-Mar-13 13:31:39

Well done Ewan and Jake thanks

teaandthorazine Mon 25-Mar-13 13:47:05

Have just had a quick look at that Boots thread shock

"Carbohydrates are an essential source of energy and are important to maintaining blood sugar levels. Even fats and sugars are essential for general body function and play an important role in keeping us going."

I don't even know where to start with this. Carbohydrates maintain blood glucose levels? Errrr, how about carbohydrates fuck up blood glucose levels?

And the lumping of 'fats and sugars' together, as if they're the same bloody thing. God, it makes me mad! Fats are utterly essential, sugars (which, fyi Matt, ARE CARBOHYDRATES) are not.

It's really, really poor 'advice', whether you ascribe to a LC WOE or not. I would've thought he'd at least know the difference between his macronutrients...

Sorry, as you were!

WillieWEggledEgger Mon 25-Mar-13 14:50:28

i tried liquorice tea today, which despite saying zero carb on the packet frankly tasted suspiciously sweet to me

a bit of googling suggested that it is not good for those with high blood pressure (which i knew as I think mumat39 had done some research, and if anything my blood pressure is a bit low) and also that it might cause an insulin reaction. so i think i won't have it again, and I had to chuck it anyway as i just found it too sweet for me!

Bessie123 Mon 25-Mar-13 14:57:10

willie it's definitely an acquired taste. I tried chewing liquorice root yesterday - disgusting.

Ruprekt Mon 25-Mar-13 18:06:49

I was not keen on the liquorice tea today either. Bleurgh!!

Dh quite liked it.

NoelHeadbands Mon 25-Mar-13 18:10:29

Same here for the liquorice tea!

Disgusting stuff, tastes like its crammed with artificial sweetener though I know it's not.

DH really likes it but is really suspicious that its low carb, being so sweet. He keeps studying the box in case there's any hidden ingredients anywhere

Yama Mon 25-Mar-13 18:15:40

Peppermint and Liquorice tea is one of the most disgusting things I have ever tasted. £2.30 a box as well. And I absolutely loved liquorice.

JakeBullet Mon 25-Mar-13 18:19:06

It's delicious...I love it grin

ChippingInIsEggceptional Mon 25-Mar-13 18:28:00

Ewan & Jake well done both of you smile

LittleFreida - well, I suppose you can look at it as a tough lesson well learnt sad and at least you have got straight back on the wagon smile

Timid - I'll give that a go with the celeriac. I haven't really 'made friends' with celeriac yet, it's ok mashed with great dollop of philly in it, but without, it's not for me and I'm trying to find things without cheese - soooo veg stock instead sounds worth a shot smile

Tea - I was spitting when I read that thread, so I backed out quietly. It's not that they are suggesting a different 'diet' - that I can cope with, it's (like you) the sheer ignorance displayed. I hope it doesn't go unchallenged, but I wasn't in the mood to do it without a large side order of sarcasm!

Willie - I thought about trying it today (I was in a cafe that do the TeaPigs range) but I just didn't like the sound of it, so I tried the red winter tea - boring, not much different to plain rooibos (which I don't care for). I shall continue in my quest for something different to drink.

Bessie - utterly vile stuff isn't it!! Bleurghhhhhhhh

Another smidge off for me this week - now 9kg/20lb down in 9 weeks. I have A Point To Make at the end of this month (to a not very nice Doubting Dora) and it would be uber lovely if I could make it (at least) 12kg, so if anyone has a spare couple of fingers they could cross, that would be fab smile

sybilfaulty Mon 25-Mar-13 18:39:37

I hated the liquorice tea and I LOVE the real stuff. Can I recommend the clipper sleepy time tea, which is lovely and fruity, sweet but not overpowering. Very cheery if you need a sweet lift.

AM 2lb off. Very slow progress here but lots of things get in the way right now. Well done to all of you with some FANTASTIC losses

timidviper Mon 25-Mar-13 18:50:16

I think I have confessed before that our local sweetie shop sells sugar-free salted liquorice or Salmiak which is gorgeous (in moderation of course!)

JakeBullet Mon 25-Mar-13 18:57:54

Oh Gawd I now have a desire for some Liquorice Allsorts.....and it's all YOUR fault. grin

middleagedspread Mon 25-Mar-13 19:41:46

Hollandaise sauce tonight, with bacon & watercress.
I can't quite believe that I can eat this without putting on pounds.

This is what I'm finding so hard about low carbing; eating 'treat' foods & not feeling guilty.
Still missing bread though..

BlackAffronted Mon 25-Mar-13 19:49:33

Had this for dinner tonight, and it was gorgeous! Had mine withgreen beans, the others had potatoes.

I love the liquorice & peppermint tea! It is quite sweet though. I have loads of teas though, some really yummy ones. Sipping on a cranberry green tea right now!

Just back from Zumba, and tired. Shower, book & bed for me I think!

JakeBullet Mon 25-Mar-13 20:12:24

That looks delicious Black... Did you use flour in it or omit that bit? I have heard that cauliflower is a good thickener in place of flour when making sets and casseroles but not tested it out just yet.

NellVarnish Mon 25-Mar-13 20:26:38

I've put FOUR POUNDS ON! shockhmmshock

Took my eye off the ball quite a lot the last two weeks and bloody hell has it showed. I am a SUGARY TWAT!

Am scunnered.

However today after the weigh in I took myself in hand and have so far had:

B: none as in shock
L: 2 scrambled eggs in butter with a bit of chopped ham
S: 2 babybels and a spoonful of tuna
D: salmon and roasted broccoli in sesame oil

Lots of water.

Still want sugar though.

NellVarnish Mon 25-Mar-13 20:27:10

Well done to everyone else though!

BlackAffronted Mon 25-Mar-13 20:37:52

ooops jake, I forgot to mention I omitted tge flour! it didnt need anything to thicken it actually.

BlackAffronted Mon 25-Mar-13 20:38:49

nell sad I am grin at scunnered though! hee hee.

you havent eaten much today?

QuickLookBusy Mon 25-Mar-13 21:21:47

Well done everyone. flowers

The stomach cramps I was having at the start of the week have stopped thank goodness. I've stayed off the bread and eaten things like nuts and lentils, so thank you to everyone who gave me that advice.

NellVarnish Mon 25-Mar-13 21:48:21

I'm reverting to my roots Black - ah jist fancy a wee snicester noo and it's takin' a' mah willpower tae stay oot o the kitchen.

Is that really not much - I thought it was loads? Have been weeing for Scotland tho'. <tmi>

Lavenderhoney Tue 26-Mar-13 03:15:09

Well done Ewan that's amazingsmile
I had some chocolate fondant. I made some, the dc left a bit so I dd something I haven't done since 7jan. I ate leftovers. Bit of upset tummy aftersad

Dc a bit better and able to go and do stuff today. I have realised. Do spend quite a lot of time indoors cuddling sick children - all day sometimes and have only just realised that could possibly affect weight! Doh! So I will have to do a ( gulp) DVD or run before dh leaves for work on those days. Or put the tv on and hope it occupies them long enough.

I can't stand fruit teas. I would like to like them but I feel like I'm drinking a scented candlesmile they are so sweet- dh bought me some black earl grey tea though, and some jasmine tea so I will give them a go. As soon as I have a teapotsmile

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 26-Mar-13 10:34:18

weirdly down 1 lb this am - maybe because I'm off work so not snacking all day - or could be the BABs - after my cheese and gammon 3 egg omelette yesterday I could not eat any lunch - for the 1st time in 42 years shock

sleep training going ok - it's alot easier without ds1 and dp here (dp cannot listen to any crying hence we have not had a night's uninterrupted sleep for 4.5 years). ds2 likes to sleep late smile

nell scunnered reminds me of my mum - she used it a lot, uses it less now after 30 odd years living in Surrey. My favs are oxters and boak.

lavenderH I'm not a fan of fruit teas either. I am in the midst of a nettle tea obsession - a taste of the hedgerow, I love it. For a fab afternoon pickme up - scalding hot green tea. I also love fennel, subtle, not fruity.

Hmm, up 0.6lbs for me, but given the amount of booze, crumble and an errant Yorkshire pud at the weekend I will accept that gladly!

prettybird Tue 26-Mar-13 11:14:16

STS this week - which is actually not too bad considering my tablet lapse last week blush and is better than it would have been if I had weighed in yesterday wink

My dad is back from his long holiday, so we had supper at his place on Sunday - shepherd's pie with a side salad with balsamic dressing, followed by home-made (very good!) tarte tatin served with low-fat yoghurt hmm. No escaping the carbs! grin

Still got 2lbs to go by 6 April to reach my target of breaking th 11 stone barrier by my birthday....

AuntieMaggie Tue 26-Mar-13 19:01:53

I'm trying not to cry... On day 2 of strict bootcamp and DP has made me a lovely dinner trying to be supportive but I'm off food :-(

The thought of eating anything makes me feel sick. Last night I only managed my steak and tonight it looks like I'm only going to manage the homemade burger.

Please tell me it will get better...

KKKKaty Tue 26-Mar-13 19:09:04

OK, I've decided that this WOE is not for me - I find it too restrictive, unfortunately. I don't miss the rice, potatoes, bread or pasta, but I do miss the odd chocolate, glass of wine and especially fruit. My plan is to go lowish carb and do the fast diet as well. My question is this. How do I go back?! I fell off the wagon on Saturday night (--three--two glasses of wine, a bag of hula hoops) and spent Sunday morning on the loo (tmi, I know). Do I just do it gradually, an apple here, a chocolate there, a big helping of carrots with dinner...?

MrsHeggulePoirot Tue 26-Mar-13 19:09:07

Oh mags promise it will get better lovely. You know it does, you know it works, just eat a little and see how you go. It always takes about a week for it all to settle and to get back into the swing if things. If you're not hungry save some for breakfast or lunch tomorrow perhaps?

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 19:14:31

AuntieMaggie - do you think it might be something else? Everyone else I know is hungry, craving carbs for the first couple of days - not off their food?

Hope you feel better soon!

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 19:21:28

KKKKaty beatiful Katy, you're the only ggggirl I adore... smile


You find it too restrictive? That's a shame. Have you been having good results with it?

All the things you miss seem to be add-back-able once you have got to your target weight. Another friend is doing lowish-carbs & 5:2 though and is doing 'ok' - not as well as she was when lower low carbing though.

Have you read John Briffa? His book might help you decide how to balance things a bit better so you don't get tummy ache sad

prettybird Tue 26-Mar-13 19:28:25

Kkkaty - after the first two weeks, you can have the odd glass of wine and piece of chocolate. You can even have some raspberries/strawberries/blueberries (I enjoy a few with some clotted cream for "dessert" or with yoghurt and cream for breakfast, together with a wee bit of cinnamon).

And as someone else says (sorry, on iPod so can't refer back), they're also things you can add back in once you're on Maintenance.

AuntieMaggie Tue 26-Mar-13 19:41:25

I had this before when starting the new year bootcamp but not as bad - going off food especially strong flavoured food and just wanting bland food. I've been doing bootcamp light on and off since (due to illness and crappy work schedule) but started proper bootcamp yesterday.

The only carb I really have eaten when off the wagon is potatoes/chips though a lot less of them than before.

I normally really like salad and veg but I can't stand the thought of eating them. I've also gone off eggs, chicken, bacon (too salty).

I think its the metformin tbh as my sister gets this when she takes it but I only seem to suffer in the first couple of weeks of this woe.

I'll stick with it but may have to go buy some protein shakes.

KKKKaty - if it makes you feel better, in the year I've been low carbing, I have continued to drink alcohol at the weekend. I suppose I do a sort of hybrid Bootcamp/Bootcamp Light - stricter during the week and more relaxed at the weekend. That way I have never felt deprived. And certainly never feel that this is a restrictive way of eating - especially not compared with a low calorie/low fat diet!

If you're finding Bootcamp too restrictive, move on to Bootcamp Light, and then you can have a bit of fruit and the odd piece of chocolate.

timidviper Tue 26-Mar-13 19:48:48

AuntieMaggie Metformin is notorious for upsetting tums. There used to be a joke in medical circles that the advice to give patients starting on it should include "Never stand with your back to an open fire" due to its wind inducing properties!

I sometimes feel, not exactly nauseous, but a bit off my food. It passes quite quickly though.

AuntieMaggie Tue 26-Mar-13 19:53:15

Thanks timid.

Funnily enough though I find it upsets my tummy in other ways less when I'm not eating carbs.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 20:03:19

Ah - metformin... now it makes sense. Sorry - it sounds horrible sad Have you had your levels checked recently? Do you self check? I'm wondering if taking the metformin and low carbing is making your levels too low?

MrsHeggulePoirot Tue 26-Mar-13 20:09:11

chipping I think the metformin that auntiemaggie takes is not for diabetes but for other reasons if I reall correctly. I also take metformin regularly but haven't experienced not wanting to eat but know it affects people differently. I sometimes find when I have 't drunk enough water on this WOE that I don't fancy anything much, or only crave things I shouldn't eat... Interestingly I also find it affects me less when on this WOE. Do you think it is the thought of beig strict is putting you off a bit? I sometimes get that feeling early on...

halfthesize Tue 26-Mar-13 21:24:24

Eve All, just caught up on thread.
Well done Jake on weigh loss. mary pleased to hear sleep training going ok, sleep deprivation is the most horrendous thing ever!

I am starting a fresh tomorrow morning and will be incorporating some IF. Need to my arse in gear now after being not great since Christmasblush

KKKKaty I have never given up wine throughout the low carbing which has been for a year now, I hope you decide to stick with it, this woe is the most amazing thing ever smile

AuntieMaggie Tue 26-Mar-13 21:31:33

Thanks Chipping smile but Mrs is right - I take it for PCOS not diabetes smile

My dose increased around xmas to 1500mg twice a day.

I'll make doubly sure I drink enough water tomorrow and see if that makes any difference.

I know this woe is amazing and I've felt the benefits in the past so I will stick with it.

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 26-Mar-13 21:35:59

here is an example of the worst sort of reporting I have ever seen, it beggars belief.
low carb diet warning

utterly shoddy journalism, what is the actual point.

B: 2 soft boiled eggs with lashings of butter
L: vinegar chicken leftovers + swede with brown butter
D: pork tenderloin coated in egg and parmesan & fried in butter with buttered cabbage, creamed celeriac and cheesy fennel

I made that dinner for myself as I am alone (ds2 asleep at 6.30pm) - a year ago I would have had 2 weetabix with milk and called that a meal. Now I think, meat and 2 (or three) veg please.

KKKaty I eat chocolate now and again, and seem to have lost my taste for wine - but this really is a woe, not something to dip into now and again to reap the full benefits, however, maybe you are better suited to a gradual change to this woe, my dp is not doing lchf although i think he'd really benefit - BUT he has made some good changes moving towards it - cutting down drastically on sugar/choc/crisps/bread. He has lost 1/2 stone without really missing anything as he's done it so gradually over 2 months (of me nagging). smile

KKKKaty Tue 26-Mar-13 21:38:56

Chipping - you're the only one to ever get my name! Not that I'm implying I'm beautiful, just that it's a song my mum used to sing me! Someone once asked me whether it was anything to do with the Ku Klux Klan hmm!

The results I've had are that I lost 3 1/2 or 4 pounds in the first 6 days, had my night of vino and crisps and I've put two of those back on again. It seems to me that with this diet, a day of going off piste is pretty catastrophic, which is not the way with, say, a low fat diet. It seems very all or nothing. Great if you can do it, not if you're me.

As I have said before, I'm searching for a sustainable WOE for me, and I've come to believe that this is not it. But I do believe that too many carbs esp white flour, pasta, aren't the way to go and I think I've learnt some lessons from my brief foray into this WOE - especially that you don't need carbs to make a meal. I am going to start working my family's diet towards more vegetables and meat and less pasta, cake etc.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 21:41:21

AuntyMaggie - sorry about that! That's a hell of a dose. Is it helping? I'll revert to the standard answer then - drink more water grin. I hope you feel better/more like eating soon x

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 21:48:19

KKKKaty - Kl Klux Klan - wtaf? I'm an old gimmer grin

What you are doing sounds good smile I'd still suggest you read John Briffa's book (most libraries have it if you don't want to buy it, but it's really cheap on eBay). It's really interesting and he'll help you avoid some common pitfalls.

KKKKaty Tue 26-Mar-13 21:53:57

Chipping, I have read Briffa, and it makes a lot of sense to me. But Briffa and Bootcamp are two different kettles of fish! Having read it I wouldn't go back to Weight Watchers or such like. I'm just in the process of working through a few options and ideas and trying to find something that will work long term for me.

Bessie123 Tue 26-Mar-13 22:00:52

kkkkaty I think that in a couple of weeks, when your body is used to this woe, that won't happen any more. I ate half a box of chocolates the other day and didn't put any weight on <cowers in case biwi has stick out>

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 22:37:01

KKKKaty - As I said, what you are doing sounds good smile I hope it works for you!

Bessie - you know she will hunt you down!


Bessie123 Tue 26-Mar-13 23:02:35

<gulps nervously>

EMUZ Tue 26-Mar-13 23:06:14
ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 23:11:44

and so you should young lady, I am disappointed you didn't share in you.

Bessie123 Tue 26-Mar-13 23:14:11

chippingin I am terrible at resisting chocolates in the evening

emuz you are definitely shrinking grin

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 26-Mar-13 23:14:11

EMUZ - you should do your 'now' photos in the same underwear as your 'before' photos - that would give an even better comparison!

EMUZ Tue 26-Mar-13 23:19:47

Chipping - I had to bin the underwear sad
The knicker elastic broke (classy) and my sports bra gave up the ghost (obv too much exercise) grin

MrsHeggulePoirot Wed 27-Mar-13 06:46:14

How you feeling today maggie? I only take 859g twice a day so in that does it could well be the metformin. Hope you enjoy at least one meal today.

sybilfaulty Wed 27-Mar-13 06:48:32

Great photos EMUZ. I think I have the same bra in the "after" pics (and am sure have similar knickers to the before ones!

Another long day beckons then out for tapas tonight. Yum. I love the freedom to eat out without a. telling the world you are on a diet and b. worrying there will be nothing to eat. Will avoid the tortilla but enjoy everything else especially the sherry.

ScillyCow Wed 27-Mar-13 07:03:33


So good to see the thread again in active convos.

I only lost 10lbs on bootcamp (well, I lost a stone in 7 weeks, then 4 lbs crept back on because I was cheating and eating too much chocolate).

ANyhoo back on the wagon good and proper and am shrinking fast again! I have lost 13lbs now - hoping for a stone off again by Saturday.

THen my next target is another stone by the end of May.

I have 5 stone to lose in total, so planning for that by next christmas!!

BlackAffronted Wed 27-Mar-13 08:18:38

Lost the weight id gained after my carb-fest at the weekend. Back down to 26lbs lost smile Im hoping to break throughthe 2 stone lost barrier in the next week or 2.

Does anyone have a tasty pork tenderloin recipe?

KKKKaty - you really need to complete the two weeks of Bootcamp for this to be come a more manageable, longer term WOE. This is because in the two weeks where you really cut down on carbohydrates you are switching your body from being carb-burning to being fat-burning. Once you have achieved this, you can be a little more relaxed in your eating, so things like chocolate/fruit/alcohol can all be re-introduced (although in moderate quantities!)

What happens when you re-introduce too many carbs too quickly is that you are replenishing your glycogen stores. This accounts for as much as 7lbs in weight. When you are a long term low carber you don't have the same glycogen stores (which is essentially your body's store of energy from sugar that it doesn't need immediately). If you don't have glycogen stored, and you aren't eating carbs (i.e. sugar) then your body is forced to use fat for fuel.

Yes, it isn't a terribly forgiving way of eating, unlike low calorie or low fat dieting, but it's a whole lot tastier and rewarding!

AuntieMaggie Wed 27-Mar-13 09:57:26

Morning mrs

Sat here sipping a cup of tea. I was sick in the night so maybe I have a bug or something. Don't feel like food this morning at all. Going to drink plenty of water and go to the shops then see how I feel.

The metformin is working really well. I have no symptoms and no cysts on my ovaries. Its been increased with a view to me ttc later in the year. Apart from being overweight and the current nausea issue I feel better than I have in years. Amazing what sorting your hormones out can do wink

Hope you're having a good day smile

heirtotheironthrone Wed 27-Mar-13 11:29:11

Morning all, it's littlermissstan in my new guise (Game of Thrones starts again this weekend, eeeeeek!)

Still pushing on, have STS for three weeks so hoping the Whoosh Fairy may be in attendance shortly...

halfthesize Wed 27-Mar-13 15:54:05

Hi All

Fab pics EMUZ and sillycow 10lbs is great, well done grin

Black I slow roasted some pork tenderloin the other night with chilli garlic and mushrooms, then removed pork and added double cream to the juices to make a lovely sauce. Served with broccoli which also had chilli flakes and butter on it. Have to say the whole family loved it and super easy to do.

I have been top the gym again today and managed 20 mins on running machine at 8mph ran 2.8 miles. Also did lots of resistance/weights am determined to have better thighs and arms this summer, if we ever get onehmm

BlackAffronted Wed 27-Mar-13 17:05:38

Hmmm that sounds nice Half, think I'll do that!

MsRinky Wed 27-Mar-13 17:30:02

Hello all.

I've been doing this a year and a day now, and as of today I've lost about 50lbs. I wanted to have lost 56 to make it a nice round four stone, but life got in the way and I have "found" a few pounds again.

The next month is horrendous - I have three parties and a wedding to go to, plus a weekend with my in-laws who bake and make their own pasta. Plus when I'm at home I'm working round the clock wrapping up my old horrible job before starting my lovely new three day a week job in May.

So I'm giving myself a bit of slack. I know I won't be able to stick with things well enough to lose anything over the next month. I still eat low carb most of the time - I'm not going back to stuffing in carbs for the hell of it - but I know I won't lose if I have birthday cake or wine even a couple of times a week, because it doesn't work like that for me - I have PCOS and could stand to lose another 50lbs, so it's not that I'm near my target, but I do have to be strict to lose.

So my personal target for the next month is to maintain, to do what I can when I can but to consolidate a bit and enjoy the family occasions I have coming up. So I probably won't be posting much.

But May 1st, Bootcamp or no Bootcamp I will be back and I ready to go at it hardcore. See you then lovely ladies x

ChippingInIsEggceptional Wed 27-Mar-13 18:12:00

MrsRinky - I haven't seen you around in ages! Thanks for the update. Personally I'd say you've lost 4 stone grin (I wouldn't let a couple of decent poos deny you that!!)

Have a lovely, but careful, April and look forward to seeing you in May smile [I think BIWI said she'd start the next one on the 29th of April]

teaandthorazine Wed 27-Mar-13 18:25:38

Hello all

Interesting day today, carbwise. Had a 'tea and cake' thing at work today, at which it was made quite clear that it would be rude not to, iyswim! So, after two weeks of almost total sugar-free eating, I had a salted caramel brownie (Konditor & Cook's finest, how bad could it be??) Within 15 mins my stomach was twice its usual size and that heavy, bloated feeling was back with a vengeance. Whenever I doubt that sugar and flour has a negative effect on me, I'll remember that brownie.

It was, I'll admit, delicious, but the feeling afterwards? Just Say No, people, Just Say No.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Wed 27-Mar-13 18:40:08

Tea - are you feeling a bit better now? Are you now feeling that no matter how 'rude it would be not to' you can refuse?? At least it was nice I suppose!

I'm just debating what to have for dinner - I'm getting a bit fed up of leeks, brocolli, courgettes, cauli, celeriac & mushrooms. This low carbing as a vegetarian can be a bit like hard work/boring. Though I'm sure that's me - I don't like cooking very much & I'm beyond exhausted tonight, so really, really can't be arsed. It's nice food - I'm just a bit fed up of the same things. I even thought I might treat myself to a meal out over easter as I can't have my favourite thing (Easter Egg with buttons) but I can't think of anywhere to go/anything nice to have that's low carb, vegetarian <no eggs>. Sigh.

NellVarnish Wed 27-Mar-13 18:42:55

grin At oxters and boak Mary - I love the Scottish language grin

Going to catch up on the thread and see what you've all been eating ...

NellVarnish Wed 27-Mar-13 18:52:53

EMUZ you are indeed shrinking!

Black! 26lbs?!? That is FABULASTIC! I think we both started at the same time and I've only lost 15 or 14 and put some on last week hmm


NellVarnish Wed 27-Mar-13 18:55:03

MsRinky four stone is amazing! Well done!

NellVarnish Wed 27-Mar-13 18:57:10

Scilly you've done really well too - I just need to knuckle down and get on with it again and stop being such a greetin' faced auld whinger.

NellVarnish Wed 27-Mar-13 19:02:57

BIWI although I'm back on the wagon, I'm definitely in on 29 April too - I need the constant threat of the Big Stick.

I'm wavering again though like I was at the beginning last time even though I know it works - I just want it to disappear overnight and I know that's not going to happen.

Not had much today to eat and feeling a bit meh - had buttered asparagus and Savoy cabbage leftovers for lunch and a bag of pork scratchings in the car on way home as a snack. Don't fancy anything for tea. I know that's not enough to eat.

Maybe I've got carb flu?

ScillyCow Wed 27-Mar-13 19:11:31

Is another bootcamp starting at the end of APril?
I'm in!

teaandthorazine Wed 27-Mar-13 19:27:33

Chipping, I do feel better now, thanks for asking smile. I really will try not to let good manners get the better of me next time! Looking forward to my delicious dinner of caramelised onion burgers, with bacon, cheese and an avocado salad though now...

How about aubergine parmigiana if you're bored of green veg? I had a lovely aubergine and spinach gratin the other night at a veggie restaurant near me, 'twas lush.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Wed 27-Mar-13 19:47:14

Tea that sounds like a lovely dinner smile

AP sounds good, as does the gratin! I wish we had a vege restaurant around here!!

Yes ScillyCow - starts on 29 April, running for 10 weeks again

mumat39 Wed 27-Mar-13 21:55:04

Wow! So many good losses.

Just signing in to say a massive Thank You to BIWI, Willie and everyone else who has been on this bootcamp.

I've not weighed myself for a few weeks as I've been invaded by the inner gobbler and have fallen off the wagon. But I am trying to get back onto this woe, slowly but surely. I'm really stressed out at the moment, not sure why, but that seems to be my biggest problem.

I was getting down at the fact that I was losing weight slowly, but having been off this woe, I've realised thankfully that I also gain weight slowly, so hopefully when I get back to it, the slow weightless won't be such an issue. I know it's the best way to lose weight.

I think I'm about 8 lbs down from when I started. Since falling off, alot of my digestive issues have come back so I know that this woe is definitely good for me.

Before the next bootcamp, I'm aiming to lose another 7lbs, so fingers crossed.

Thanks again to everyone, and congrats to everyone who has stayed the course and had losses along the way!


BIWI Wed 27-Mar-13 22:02:32

See you next time, mumat39?

mumat39 Wed 27-Mar-13 22:13:16

Definitely BIWI! Thanks so much! thanks

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 27-Mar-13 22:15:13

mmm tea your tea sounds lush

I just had a lovely supper of brunswick ham with hm coleslaw and feta drizzled with olive oil. About to embark on raspberries with gk yog and cream. I need a treat after the day I've had - coil fitting which required 2 doctors and a nurse to get sorted, yuk, worse than giving birth and after the whole painful palarva they want me to go for a scan to see if it's in right.
then on the sleep training front the damn next doors dog was let out for a wee and started barking - right outside the dcs bedroom and woke ds2 up - and this is day 4 so only 1 more night before ds1 returns <wails>
I marched next door and said please stop the dog barking - the neighbour was not apologetic, just said well he's in now. angry

I am reading this book. The book's author was a vegan for 26 years and consequently became obese, with high cholesterol and IBS. He was cured overnight by eating meat! It's a good read, very funny albeit blokey.

Bessie123 Wed 27-Mar-13 22:20:22

I ate a packet of Thorntons chocolates and a packet of mini cream eggs for dinner. It was all going so well - no breakfast, smoked haddock with poached egg and homemade hollandaise and a very little bit of romanescu caulifor lunch then i started feeling poorly and ate loads of chocolate. Oh dear, I think I need to go back to bootcamp.

flatbluebunny Wed 27-Mar-13 22:21:32

Hi all, I started Bootcamp last Thursday after weighing in at my heaviest on the night before at 13 st 4.5 lbs, despite dieting for the last 20 years or so. I love carbs, which is obviously my downfall and I deperately want to lose at least a stone in time for my holiday to Rhodes in August. Anyway I've stuck to it all week, have been terrified every single day (lol) but am ecstatic to say I've lost 3.5 lbs in my first week smile It really does work doesn't it?

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 27-Mar-13 22:51:15

well done flatblue, yes it works! and welcome.

bessie Can you identify the point at which you reached for chocolate instead of LC ingredients? Could be you skipped breakfast so you were too hungry to make the right choice this time? I do not skip meals ever cos this has happened to me. Also, the only choc in the house is G&B 85%.

re salt - I gave ds2 (aged 19 months) smoked mackerel for tea, someone mentioned earlier about salty food being unsuitable for toddlers - here is the redoubtable Ms Harcombe on salt.

MrsHeggulePoirot Wed 27-Mar-13 22:51:49

auntiemaggie I'm sort of half glad you were sick in the night and it is perhaps a bug and not this WoE or something else. Hopefully you'll be right as rain soon!

Well done MrsRinky - amazing in a year, well done you!

EMUZ Wed 27-Mar-13 22:55:00

Crap food today. Well not crap but I know I'm not eating enough but I'm not hungry hmm
I'm doing a leptin reset thing (technical!) and had 4 eggs (with butter) and steak for breakfast
No lunch
Veg soup for tea and handful cashews

Bessie123 Wed 27-Mar-13 23:07:23

marybeardfanclub I was feeling sick, couldn't stomach anything low carb, and just wanted chocolate. But I find that it is easy to eat low carb during the day. I often get choc cravings in the evening. Which is odd because I'm not that fussed on choc usually, I prefer fruity sweet things.

timidviper Thu 28-Mar-13 00:12:14

Black Well done 26lb is amazing! You'll overtake me soon at this rate. I am away this weekend Fri-Mon, back for a few days then away again Fri-Mon the following weekend. Staying in hotels both times and eating out a lot so not holding out much hope.

My recipe for pork fillet is to slit it down the middle, stuff with Boursin or Philly with garlic and herbs then wrap in parma ham or streaky bacon and roast.

Lavenderhoney Thu 28-Mar-13 03:03:30

Lots going on at home so it's very hard for me to keep up - I might just have to lurk when I cansmile

Weighed myself yesterday and I am down a couple of pounds again. Did have a night out though and drank a couple of glasses of wine. Still, it was a lovely evening.

Well done all the losers or stickers at itsmile

AuntieMaggie Thu 28-Mar-13 08:23:19

Thanks mrs... I think grin

I had plenty of water, 2 cups of tea, a packet of aldi german sausage for lunch and a chicken, steak and gammon combo thing at the pub for tea (gave the chips to dp). So lots of bland meat but not any veg. Oh and mayo on the meat (but gammon was still too salty).

I need some ideas for bland-ish food though I bought two tubs of the protein shakes that Black uses as backup when I can't face food.

My list is getting shorter: no eggs, only bland meat, cream but not to cook with...

Bessie123 Thu 28-Mar-13 09:05:16

Lost another lb this morning shock

Hi all

I was scared to weight myself at the start ( I think I was right looking at my weight now grin I weighed myself 5 weeks in and I was 178lbs (yikes!). Yesterday I was down to 173 so it's going in the right direction.

I'm not being strict really - just no wheat, rice, root veg or fruit (apart from berries at breakfast) and no added sugar. It's fine by and large but I get cravings for pasta of all daft things.

I am aiming for approx 158lbs. That is about right for me and acheivable I think

heirtotheironthrone Thu 28-Mar-13 10:59:25

The sun is actually out down here! Which has made me much more positive. Fab dinner last night of sausages with creamy swede mash and broccoli, and then a few raspberries with cream. Greek yog for breakfast and have salad and pate for lunch. This weekend am cooking for veggie friends and have found a gorgeous-looking recipe for an aubergine and olive bake with tinned toms and feta - will post recipe next week if it turns out nice!

Other than that need to work hard not to worry-eat - DP is off on his stag do this evening and I am fretting... Going to stay with my mum for a couple of days who is under instruction to keep me on the straight and narrow!

WillieWEggledEgger Thu 28-Mar-13 12:09:41

someone started a thread today about veggie bootcamp rules - I had forgotten that flipflopflap had posted these for the first bootcamp from last year, and have added them to the spreadsheet. (in the tab 'Veggie Bootcamp Rules')

however, i know that BIWI has refined the regular bootcamp rules since that first thread, so I don't know whether any of the current veggie low carbers would mind taking a look and seeing whether there are any refinements you would make, or details you would add?

BlackAffronted Thu 28-Mar-13 13:06:24

Bessie, dont skip breakfast, I find my BAB really keeps me going & stops my snacking.

BlackAffronted Thu 28-Mar-13 13:17:03

Emuz, I am doing the leptin reset too smile

Thanks Timid, seems the weight wants to come off now! So glad I didnt cave in smile

MrsHeggulePoirot Thu 28-Mar-13 13:27:16

Maggie - glad you are eating something. Do you not fancy any salad/veg, or just haven't had any? Would some plainish veg help you at all?

heir - it is a good idea to have plans with other halves away. When DH is away with work, I try to make sure I am uber-organised otherwise I just stray too much!

Bessie I was going to say the same as Black, I would eat something for breakfast and then you probably won't crave the chocolate later...

alem Thu 28-Mar-13 13:48:35

Hi All.
I'm popping on to say Hi!
I started this WOE last weekend, and have lost 3lb so far, so very pleased. Have read the last couple of threads and have shamelessly copied some fab ideas. Hope to join in the next boot camp! smile

AuntieMaggie Thu 28-Mar-13 14:50:09

Steak and eggs for lunch with a grilled tomato. smile

I don't fancy veg/salad mrs though am thinking of making an aubergine and onion cheese bake for dinner... not sure what with though...

I have a sinus infection and feel crappy sad

So comfort food is the order of the day. I keep making myself big veggie bakes for lunch. Yesterday did a creamy green veg one (inspired by the other thread!), lots of leek, sprouts, cabbage and spinach sauted in butter and garlic & s&P, then a generous slosh of cream, top with grated cheese and whizzed up seeds for crunch and grill.
Today's featured a load of celery and leeks and carrots in butter and garlic, thyme and rosemary, half a chicken oxo and a splash of water, reduce it down, add a little splash of cream, top with cheese and seeds again and grill. The celery was divine. Who knew celery gratin was so good??

Comfort in a bowl. A bit of a deconstructed soup I suppose!

AuntieMaggie would a cauliflower cheese be at all appealing for bland comfortyness? It's very nice with some fried leeks and bacon in too.

heirtotheironthrone Thu 28-Mar-13 21:25:16

Oh arse - turned up at mum's this evening and she had made me supper of beans on toast - couldn't be much worse could it? It was delicious, but have the worst bloated painful stomach now...

Yama Fri 29-Mar-13 07:36:01

Morning folks. I'm a tad hungover this morning after a rare night out last night. Really wanted bacon to help me feel better but sadly we don't have any.

halfthesize Fri 29-Mar-13 09:17:07

Happy Easter ladies smile

MrsRinky fantastic loss well done you thanks

So here is my confession, last night I didn't just fall of the wagon I dived head first into a Chinese, some wine and then a bloody cadburys cream egg. blush I am so annoyed at myself after being good this week and going to the gym alot. Did not even enjoy the food that much!! <skulks off to the naughty step>

halfthesize Fri 29-Mar-13 09:18:20

YAMA hope you feel better soon, can you go out for a big fry up??

Yama Fri 29-Mar-13 09:34:28

You know Halfthesize - that is a ruddy great idea. We've all had breakfast (I am made of stern stuff) but lunch, lunch we could do. Kids will love it and it gets us out the house.

Thank you. flowers

Oh god halfthesize if it makes you feel better, the reason I do not feel guilty about the carrots I ate yesterday (3 of them!) is that they pale into insignificance alongside the carrot CAKE (2 pieces & 1 fairy cake) that I have had in the last two days. all medicinal and given by loving friends

Ah feck it.
Tomorrow is another day.
I shall join you on the naughty step.

Today began better. Poached eggs and buttered asparagus for brekkie, then greek yog with blackberries and some nuts/seeds.
Then DD wanted oaty pancakes so I had 3 of those. Gah.

halfthesize Fri 29-Mar-13 10:35:53

Yama enjoy your lunch out.

split you are right 'tomorrow is another day' I am going to fast till tonight and drink shed loads of water, may even go for a runhmm Though you would think after a year of LCarbing I would know better than to crash and burn like this, as I now have tummy cramps etc!!Poached eggs sounds lovely.

Black did you enjoy the pork the other night?

ChocsandChipsandSealingWax Fri 29-Mar-13 13:15:44

Hello all, I've missed you lots! Sorry been working absolutely flat out.

Just been catching up on the thread and posted spiltthetea's recipes to the recipe thread as they're great and didn't want to lose them!

Am sort of on maintenance at the moment because I reached my goal and a couple of pounds below that too - am working too hard to focus on bootcamp properly but mainly doing it, just too much alcohol and also birthday cake for mine and DS2's birthdays, and also a few more carby veg eg peas, tomatoes, beetroot. So i may have put on a couple of pounds but have not even had time to weigh myself.

Intending to join you all for the next Bootcamp and do it properly even though I'm at goal and see what my body's natural equilibrium is - Briffa's theory (I think him?) being that the WOE makes you either lose or gain until you reach the right point for you.

can't remember who it was who was craving comfort food but just had for lunch a *low carb "croque monsieur"*:

- flax bread, spread with mustard, then slice of ham, then cheese then under the grill. Mmmm!

And for supper last night low carb fish pie.

Also whoever wanted ideas on more fat, coconut oil stirred into herbal tea is a quick and easy way to add fat.

BlackAffronted Fri 29-Mar-13 13:49:35

half, the pork was delicious, thanks for the suggestion!

just found a sandwich place that delivers for free, so just had a huge salad with their homemade coleslaw, egg, roast beef and extra bacon birs! very tasty.

I have had one of my friends join me on this woe. I made her a shopping list and a book list to get her started grin

Yama Fri 29-Mar-13 15:00:05

So, I took the kids to the nearest cafe. Menu was not good for low carb. Luckily one of their soups was Cream of Cauliflower and Smoked Cheese soup so I had that. It was delicious.

A nice walk in the sunshine afterwards and now we are home with Cbeebies on. Bliss. I love being on holiday. smile

halfthesize Fri 29-Mar-13 15:38:25

Glad you liked it Black that sandwich place sounds fabsmile

yama did I hear you say 'sunshine' confused

Yama Fri 29-Mar-13 16:17:23

Yes, it's amazingly sunny here on the West Coast of Scotland. Was yesterday too. Ds even took his jacket off for the walk home.

We are heading to Yorkshire on Sunday for a few days. Will be pissed off it's not sunny there. Am I hoping for too much?

FrantasticO Fri 29-Mar-13 16:19:19

Got the link to here from bridesmaid thread.
Hope to join you on 29th for next boot camp, but don't have a clue where to start.
Will trawl through previous threads and swat stone on since giving up cigs in January and I'm a misery with a belly now.
Things can only get better.

BlackAffronted Fri 29-Mar-13 16:30:27

welcome fran smile there us a lot of info on the spreadsheet that is linked to in the op. use the tabs to find the rules and other bits to bring yourself up to speed.

BlackAffronted Fri 29-Mar-13 16:31:07

oh, and a huge well done on giving up smoking!

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 29-Mar-13 17:21:29

hi all, hope you are all enjoying the easter break - We had an outing this morning to a local easter egg hunt - at 12 noon I went home with 2 crying children due to the cold and ds1 ate his huge easter egg ( I tried to get it off him) and felt sick and I only let ds2 have a tiny bit and he went ballistic as he is a total sugar nut (at only 19 months!!)

anyway, we came home and watched bugsy malone and all was well.

the dietdoctor has created a new page on his site - with loads of LC resources here

B: sausage, bacon, eggs
L: chicken strips dipped in egg and parmesan and fried, nibble of meat loaf
D: will be the fried cabbage dish, lamb casserole with almond dumplings

I have made oopsie rolls and have cream and strawberries in the house..mmm, a divine pud beckons

tonight the children will sleep in the same room for the first time - fingers crossed smile

teaandthorazine Fri 29-Mar-13 18:02:20

Well, this is weird. I feel like CRAP. I think I have the carb flu, for the first time ever sad. I feel hot, achey, slightly nauseous, knackered. Found an old tub of ketostix and according to them I'm definitely well in ketosis. I know I've not eaten nearly enough over the last couple of days because I've just had no appetite at all... but I don't know whether that's ketosis or genuinely feeling ill! My stomach aches as well... grrr this is not nice.

Can't believe I've been low carbing on and off for a year now and this is the first time the carb flu had got me. Or maybe I'm just poorly?!

BIWI Fri 29-Mar-13 18:07:29

Hmm. Sounds more like you're poorly. Hope you're feeling better soon.

teaandthorazine Fri 29-Mar-13 18:32:04

Yeah, I kind of think so too BIWI. Dammit. I'm going to have a small bowl

teaandthorazine Fri 29-Mar-13 18:33:39

... ooops!

of dp's famous spag Bol minus spag and see how I feel. I'm supposed to be taking my dad out tomorrow night for a slap up Indian for his birthday so I definitely want to feel better by then!!

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 29-Mar-13 20:06:43

this cauliflower potato salad looks delish

I love how all the veg I eat tastes so good on this woe, and to think I used to just boil and eat plain. this thread is a goldmine of brilliant veg ideas, thanks to all you imaginative cooks thanks

Ruprekt Fri 29-Mar-13 20:37:52

hmmhmmFirst time since 7 Jan that I have binged!

On DH's delicious almond and banana cake.

It was lovely but my stomach is a bit bloated now.

He halved the amount of sugar as the bananas were so sweet.

Am a failure! hmmhmm

Do I need to do bootcamp all over again , will I have fallen out of ketosis? hmmhmm

ChocsandChipsandSealingWax Fri 29-Mar-13 21:01:18

Ruprekt - just be superstructure the next couple of days and drink loads of water, you'll be fine!

Ooh Mary I had that "potato" salad last time I low carbed a couple of years ago - it's lovely!

ChocsandChipsandSealingWax Fri 29-Mar-13 21:03:57

Superstrict not superstructure - bloody autocorrect!

FrantasticO Fri 29-Mar-13 21:25:07

Thanks for the welcome blackaffronted off to research this weekend!
Must do something or I will be in the depths of despair... Apparently DIY jaw wiring is frowned upon so I'm going to really give this a go!
Busy thread with lots of support, sounds great!
Have a great Easter Saturday everyone...I must stay away from the chocolate!

FrantasticO Fri 29-Mar-13 22:07:02

Have been browsing!
What a fantastic resource biwi has put together, there is so much information.
Now to get my head round the fact that butter is allowed and diet coke isn't.
Makes sense I suppose when you read all the back catalogue of info about insulin spikes and feeling full.
More research to be done, then onward to boot camp!

hi all, have been absent from this thread for months now, but can report that my back is almost better, although my waist is definitely not. Relying on others to provide food, cook and being horizontal means that LC went out the window.

Just need a bit of encouragement to get back on this and eating the way I was back last year... and I know the weight will come off again. Bad habits have resumed so after Easter weekend I pledge to start again, like Jesus. grin

Hope everyone is well.

ChocsandChipsandSealingWax Sat 30-Mar-13 08:18:26

Welcome Fran and welcome back Jax!

I am so happy - just weighed myself and have not put on a single pound in the last couple of manic weeks! I love this WOE! Have not been amazingly scientific about my maintenance programme - no careful and monitored reintroduction of certain carbs - more the odd off the scale blip (DS2s birthday cake) but sticking to the WOE most of the time.

Anyone looking for a deeply satisfying weekend brunch, do try the croque Monsieur - recipe now on recipe thread. You could probably fiddle around with egg and cauliflower to make some bechamel to be more authentic if you wanted.

BlackAffronted Sat 30-Mar-13 09:51:16

Steak, eggs and a cup of peppermint green tea - perfect start to the day grin

Tomorrow is going to be a real test - I know I wll want a nibble of chocolate sad Will resist though. Planning a tasty roast dinner with chicken, celeriac fondant, roast neep and buttery leeks.

Ruprekt Sat 30-Mar-13 09:57:41

About to have BAB!

Eggs, sausage, bacon and mushrooms with decaff coffee.

Will avoid lunch.

Dinner (parents are coming)

Smoked trout with poached egg and aspapragus.

Osso bucco with traditional risotto for non low carbers or celeriac and swede mash for low carbers, broccoli

Pannettone bread and butter pudding - none for me

Cheese board with parmesan shortbread


halfthesize Sat 30-Mar-13 10:03:10

welcome Frangrin

halfthesize Sat 30-Mar-13 10:06:06

welcome back jax I'm sure it won't take long to get back in the swing of this woewink glad to hear your feeling better thanks

MrsHeggulePoirot Sat 30-Mar-13 10:43:50

Welcome Fran.

Waves at Jax - loving the Jesus pledge, me too!!!

AuntieMaggie Sat 30-Mar-13 11:20:53

Morning smile

blackaffronted your whey pancakes have saved me this morning so thank you so much. Was about to have something like porridge for breakfast as I was hungry but couldn't face bacon or eggs and thought I'd try these - they're yummy and not at all eggy! (I'm not sure ground almonds are strictly bootcamp but if it stops me eating anything else...) Have you tried them with cinnamon or anything? Might try that tomorrow! BTW this is a massive compliment to you as my DP make the best normal pancakes smile

tea cauli cheese might work... I'm going to have to do something... will look for a recipe thank you smile

I would love an easter biscuit to dunk in a cup of tea but I am going to resist and not have any (even though they are my favourite biscuit ever) and I don't have any easter eggs in the house because I don't have any children. The closest I have is DPs energy bars! So fingers crossed I can get through the weekend without eating anything I shouldn't... though I am going out for drinks on Sunday but will have dark rum and soda...

Arf at all the Jesus pledges grin
I think I need to make one of those.
One "feck it" moment followed by another these last couple of days. Today was a big family party and I pigged out in general. But fell pretty much face first into desserts. 2 helpings (small ones!) of cheesecake, 2 helpings of fruit salad, 1 piece of fruit cake and a one spoon taster of a chocolate pud.
Bugger. It was a bit "hanged for a sheep as a lamb" I think... and utterly yum.

We are still staying with family tomorrow but shouldn't be too bad - bacon & eggs for breakfast and roast beef for lunch. Not sure about tea.

And come Monday I shall join my fellow Jesus's on an eggs, meat and green veg diet! Had buttered broccoli and boiled eggs for supper tonight <tries to nake amends>

<necks water>
I am very bloated but then again, I utterly deserve it! blush

ChippingInIsEggceptional Sat 30-Mar-13 20:33:06

tea - you do make life hard for yourself my love! I suppose at least you enjoyed it smile Glug glug glug x

Rup - at least it was something homemade and 'worth it', not some dire shop bought tasteless thing.

Frano - welcome smile Have you read the John Briffa book - Escape the Diet Trap? Cheap as cheese on eBay and free to borrow from the library - well worth a read!

Jax Welcome back my friend - good to see you again. Glad your back is a lot better - you can soon sort your waist out!!

Lots of nodding, hugging, laughing and congratulations to everyone else!!

I'm finding Easter the hardest 'event' - I'm not a huge chocolholic and I haven't really missed it this past 2 months but I love Easter Egg Chocolate (I don't know why it tastes different, it just does!), but I'm keeping the Big Picture in view and promising myself a small buttons easter egg next year - it'll soon be here again!

ChippingInIsEggceptional Sat 30-Mar-13 20:34:03

AuntieMaggie - what is an Easter Biscuit?

AuntieMaggie Sat 30-Mar-13 20:45:40

Its sort of like a big round shortbread biscuit with cinnamon and spices and raisins covered in sugar.. very nice in tea and only around at Easter (allegedly)

MaryBeardfanclub Sat 30-Mar-13 21:36:40

mmm Auntie that biscuit sounds lovely, I used to bake those and eat the lot whilst still warm!!

ruprekt your menu sounds really delicious, especially the starter yum. I have filed osso bucco in my brain for the next visit to the butcher - can hardly believe that I would look forward so much to visiting a place I turned my nose up at for 16 years as a vegetarian.

dp went to lidl tonight and brought back some Ecudorean 81% choc, not bad at half the price of G&B

1 week of sleep training and ds2 seems to be the exception that proves the rule - waking up 3-4 times before midnight the last 2 nights, why? ds1 exhausted and naughty all day as a consequence. I'm positively looking forward to the teenage years

B: mocque monsieur with oopsie rolls (bit dry, forgot the mustard or mayo)
L: sausages and hm coleslaw (I love the hm coleslaw from the recipe thread, the vinegar just makes it sensational), greek yog with strawberries and blueberries
D: left over lamb casserole with almond dumplings and lc cauli cheese, buttered cabbage
plus about 50 cups of tea

ChippingInIsEggceptional Sun 31-Mar-13 09:08:17

AuntieMaggie - thanks smile I'll have mine without all the 'bits' though thanks! One with a brew right now sounds lovely. Weight has STS, other health things not great (main reason for LC in the first place) and I'm seriously pissed off about not having several an Easter Egg this year - I love Easter Eggs, I'd give up all chocolate for the rest of the year if I could have Easter Eggs - cadbury's one with buttons inside sad [Oh and in the name of honesty, if it was just LC for weight loss, I'd have had an Easter Egg by now!! I am not that saintly grin ]

MaryBeardFC - lc must certainly be lot easier as a 'no longer veggie', it's hard work as a veggie <no eggs> << Not even Easter ones <sob>

It's sunny here - I need to go for a good long walk, but really, really can't summons up the energy. Sooooo tired. I hope your DS2 starts sleeping through for you. What are you doing when he wakes up? - silently laying him back down, no bottle (sippy cup with water if you think he's genuinely thirsty), no cuddles, no chatting etc!? (Remind me again how old he is)

halfthesize Sun 31-Mar-13 09:35:07

smile Happy Easter

Mary I LOVE that Lidl 81% choc, it's so good. Much better than the Lindt 90% I also have. And bargainous.

chipping sad I feel your pain on the easter eggs. WHY does easter egg choc taste so much better?? I love the little buttons eggs with the pic of the chick on the side. That is the one DH always gets me. But not this year <sob>
This year we are having rare roast rib of beef at the inlaws <<brightens considerably>>

Still glugging my water, belt feels a bit tight! But otherwise all good, no cramps or anything.

MrsHeggulePoirot Sun 31-Mar-13 12:12:38

Happy Easter everyone! I may have made some hot cross buns and possibly eaten some...

Chugging the water back today. My parents gave dd an Easter egg and gave us nuts and olives - really thoughtful of them! We ate having a weekend of roasts - duck last night with red cabbage, leeks and peas in a cheesy sauce and broccoli. Today roast lamb with cabbage (there will be carrots, roast potatoes and yotkshires too for everyone else), tomorrow roast beef at my parents!!

DD (3) soooo excited about the Easter bunny leaving an egg hunt and present in her little outside house (bunny ears, a maisy mouse book, and some little chicks to play with on her farm!). She squealed when she saw the signs!!!

TreeLuLa Sun 31-Mar-13 15:14:18

Well DH and I had a bottle of cava between us last night and I had 1/2 a Green and Blacks (71%) drk choc egg.

And this morning I have put on 2lbs


Had a good day today though been eating lots (lo carb though) to avoid the chocolate eggs of the DCs.

teaandthorazine Sun 31-Mar-13 18:44:40

Happy Easter everyone!

Luckily was feeling a lot better by yesterday evening, so enjoyed my green spice chicken tikka, aubergine bhaji and saag paneer very much. Also enjoyed a sneaky little onion bhaji and two g&ts but no rice, naan, beer or pud!

Today had not been great as there has been a fair bit of chocolate involved, unsurprisingly! But most of it has been 70% green & blacks so not tooooo bad wink

Am now cooking roast garlic chicken, with creamy blue cheese leeks, roasted veg and spring greens. Bit of a mishmash but it smells great!

BlackAffronted Sun 31-Mar-13 20:27:41

AuntMaggie, I do add cinnamon to the pancakes, makes them taste even more delicious smile I try to only have them once a week, because of teh almonds. I let them go cold & slather loads of butter on top ... amazing grin

I am a sugary twat. Tomorrow is another day though, and I will be my usual, LC lovliness again smile

MaryBeardfanclub Sun 31-Mar-13 20:49:31

chipping thank goodness I am no longer veggie, dp is mainly veggie and I am permanently stumped for ideas for him that are lc - we went through a phase of tofu dipped in egg and fried with an oriental sauce but then I found out that unfermented soy is totally toxic - so aside from cheese omelettes I do not know what to cook.

ds2 slept ok last night - from 10 ish to 6.30am (woken by ds1 who likes to get up early). We have bribed ds1 to not wake ds2 tomorrow am. I hate the time change, it always cocks everything up, just got them both to bed by 7.30pm, now it's 8.30 pm Gah! angry

re easter choc, we have had no temptation cos I went to the shops today to get some and there were none left, we tried 3 shops.

b: oopsie mocque monsieur - with mustard this time, a big improvement on yesterday's
l: 2.5 sausages and lump of cheese (at mum's so not many lc options)
d: meatloaf with egg, cabbage baked in cream, hm coleslaw
s: nuts, 81% lidl choc

now enjoying a well earned wine

Righto hello fellow sugary twats. Who's up for some Jesus-ing tomorrow then?

I am going to have cheesy scrambled eggs and greek yog for breakfast.
Cold roast beef with garlic mushrooms and green salad for lunch
Prob something involving cauliflower for tea

Bessie123 Sun 31-Mar-13 21:45:30

I accidentally had a massively carby long weekend and have put on a fair few pounds but I am fairly confident they will come off within a week (fingers crossed). Back on the wagon tomorrow for sure... blush

MrsHeggulePoirot Sun 31-Mar-13 22:18:28

tea isn't tomorrow part of Easter and so therefore we only have to start again on Tuesday?!?! No?

Lavenderhoney Mon 01-Apr-13 04:48:28

Going to read all the posts later over coffee cremesmile

I have a question- sorry if tmi- my periods have become very irregular and long, plus very very heavy since this woe. Is it a co incidence? I had a cyst on an ovary which they said would go away on its own- it's not painful. Is this it going away?

Plus someone asked me if the woe was safe over say 10 years? I said you went back onto carbs after getting to a weight you were comfy with and it could then be maintained, but she was adamant and quite shouty I was damaging my body. She does slimming world ( its not working) but says she is ok with that. I deflected again by saying I had read about it, it was right for me and really I didn't want to have a row about it, lets change the subject.

Any thoughts? And of course anything I should have said!

Thank god it's not just me bessie. I ate my own bodyweight in roast parnsips (but forgoed the yorkies and only had half a spud) yesterday.

Up to you MrsHP, I suspect you are right, but I am now back at home so have no further excuses, and tbh am fed up with feeling so bloated and huge and really looking forward to a de-carb! See you on Tues. Enjoy Easter Monday wink

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Apr-13 09:52:59

Lavender, Ive had my periods messed up by this woe. I didnt have any for 10 years, then spotted for 12 days when I started LCing sad This month a I spotted very lightly for 2 days. I do think it will settle down. I read somewhere that fat cells release estrogen when they let go of teh fat, so we get a hormone rush.

Of course its fine to eat fresh veg, meat & fat forever smile If the cavemen survived fine on it, cant see why we cant? smile

Im back on the LC wagon today, just had my BAB of steak and eggs <pats tummy>

BIWI Mon 01-Apr-13 10:22:48

Lavender - I suggest you do a bit more reading about this WOE. Only then will you be able to reassure yourself. I really recommend that you read "The Diet Delusion", by Gary Taubes. It is a weighty tome, but massively thorough.

What I really, really don't get is why someone would even contemplate that a diet based on fresh meat/fish, vegetables and salad, with natural fats like butter and olive oil might be harmful?

Given that we know that there is no link between eating fat and getting fat, or between saturated fat and heart disease, then what's the issue?

Whereas we do know that there is a link between high carbohydrate consumption and:

weight gain

Need I go on?

Ruprekt Mon 01-Apr-13 10:42:28

I really think I should do another mini bootcamp to give me a whoosh!!

thenightsky Mon 01-Apr-13 10:45:31

Lavender, I've had so many people say 'but what about your cholesterol'? I never really know how to answer that. Am I going to die of furred up arteries and a stroke?

<starts to panic a bit>

BIWI Mon 01-Apr-13 10:50:49

Another book really worth reading is "The Great Cholesterol Con" by Dr Malcolm Kendrick,

BIWI Mon 01-Apr-13 10:51:21
Bessie123 Mon 01-Apr-13 10:56:17

Spiltthetea I have put on 6lb. Oops. I am really looking forward to going back to lc eating though. We have been staying with friends and for a number of reasons I couldn't eat low carb while there but I actually missed it. We only stay with them once a year though and they are lovely so it was worth it.

On track so far
B. Scrambled eggs with spring onions and cheese, buttered spinach. Greek yog with about 7 blackberries and small sprinkling flaked almonds and seeds
L. Cold roast beef, coleslaw, garlic butter mushrooms, salad of romaine lettuce, spring onion, cucumber, radish. Coffee with cream.
D. Planning a chicken and broccoli bake with a sauce of mayo/cream/chicken stock/curry powder, a little cheese on top with celeriac chips and fried courgette.

I feel much better and less huge! Though (TMI) two big poos this morning may have helped with that too grin

Know what you mean about missing LC eating bessie. I just felt like a totally out of control thing, like a runaway train or something just hoovering all the carbs regardless of my brain saying "NO! You don't want to do this...!"

<waves pompoms for BIWI's motivational post>

MrsHeggulePoirot Mon 01-Apr-13 15:35:55

tea so far you've shamed me into getting back on the wagon so far today grin

I have bacon eggs and cheese for breakfast and have turned down all chocolate biscuits offered so far...