Week 10 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - The End is Nigh!

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BIWI Mon 11-Mar-13 07:58:55

So we start our final week!

Here is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

We will have one last weigh-in next Monday.

Hope you all have a good week!

cathyandclaire Mon 11-Mar-13 08:09:01

Thanks BIWI smile
Good luck with weigh in campers.
Managed to get back to just below target with a good strict ten days, after weeks of carb creep and avoiding the thread ( sticking my head in the sand blush). My challenge is to stay there and keep eating healthily... whenever I introduce carbs I get all bingey- may just stick to veggy carbs and a bit more milk until after my hols at easter (all inclusive...aaagh!)

TheEarlyBird Mon 11-Mar-13 08:10:32

Morning - just off to walk the dog ........ in the snow! Brrrrr

Hi everyone
<sidles in looking sheepish>

Left boot camp after the first week as I was pregnant. Sadly miscarried a couple of weeks later and have been a sugary twat cons

captainmummy Mon 11-Mar-13 08:19:44

So sorry Clare8 - that;s dreadful!


Consoling myself with cake since. Cannot believe how much I've put on since so am back on the wagon today!
Clare x

thekitchenfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 08:20:46

Teddy you look fab..And well done earlybird

Did you succumb to the spuds Jake? Well done on your 7lb loss too.

<looks from sidelines at loss stories as I haven't shifted the 1lb gain from last week. But on the plus side have endured weekend at the MIL house of doom and v pleased to be going home today>

captainmummy Mon 11-Mar-13 08:22:12

Spiltthetea - can you post the cheese shortbread recipe on the recipe thread? I need to be able to find it quickly!

thekitchenfairy Mon 11-Mar-13 08:23:02

So sorry for your loss Clare, a tough time for you, be gentle on yourself.

clare, i'm so sorry to hear that thanks

cathyandclaire Mon 11-Mar-13 08:26:38

So sorry about that Clare8
Earlybird will you pop round and pick up my dog too ;) ?!? she's looking at me balefully while I sip coffee and MN get on with my chores, cant face the snow.

sybilfaulty Mon 11-Mar-13 08:33:55

Thanks for the thread, BIWI.

So sorry to hear your news, Clare. I am sure you will find plenty of support here, but I do think you need to be kind to yourself and take it very easy. Thinking of you.

Forgot to weigh before I had a cup of tea today so will try tomorrow. Not overly optimistic but think it is better to keep a track of it once a week rather than not weigh for 4 weeks and then think "how much???"

Hope everyone has a good day.

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 08:42:25

Thanks kitchenfairy, no I didn't succumb to the spuds but may have had parsnips instead and a Yorkshire pudding.


Back on straight and narrow today, had bacon and scrambled eggs for breakfast.

EwanHoozami Mon 11-Mar-13 08:55:07

Clare I'm so sorry about your loss. Welcome back, I'm sure we'll all be carrying on and nattering away when 'official' bootcamp is over.

cathyandclaire congrats on hitting target again!

1lb off here. This bootcamp has been a bit of a slog for me as I crawl towards target, but I though I'd list some of the great things that are still happening even if the whooooshes are not...

- my nails are, for the first time ever are actually growing strong.
- I don't have big mood swings
- I don't fall into a tired heap (and therefore a biscuit tin) at 4pm
- My dodgy joints are less inflamed and therefore less painful. I actually did a spot of yoga for the first time in years.
- My sleep (when not punctuated by small children) is much better, I think because my innards aren't fighting with the gas and bloat of carbs.
- I get to natter on to you lot and share your lovely recipes.

So it's all good!

Have done, captainmummy smile

BIWI Mon 11-Mar-13 09:09:09

Oh clare sad I'm so sorry to hear your news. Take care and look after yourself.

prettybird Mon 11-Mar-13 09:24:05

So sorry Clare - I've had two MMCs sad and the best bit of advice I was given after the first one was to be kind to myself as I would experience weird mood swings 'cos my hormones were all over the place.

Lavenderhoney Mon 11-Mar-13 09:43:50

i'm sorry Clare8, take care of yourselfsad

i have just filled in the spreadsheet and I am at 65kg! this is very very good. i have to lose another 5 kg though. I am stuck at 65kg and follow the woe religously - any tips? I have just started to eat smaller portion sizes, but I eat with the dc, and they are so slow and chatter... no matter how slow I eat I still end up finishing ages before them!

well done to the loserssmile

Oh Clare, how sad. Be kind to yourself.

0.2lbs off for me - I am telling myself a loss is still a loss! And wine was had on Friday and Saturday and possibly a small Creme Egg

To whoever asked for the curry recipe - a colleague who went on an Indian cooking course gave it to me, it took forever and involved making your own paste and about 17 different spices. If you'd like it remind me who you are and I will PM you as it's really long - though totally delicious.

Pub lunch with work today, planning steak and salad and coleslaw. Currently eating yogurt with a few blueberries and wishing I had something more warming as it's snowing in Dorset!

LavenderBriggs Mon 11-Mar-13 09:52:56

Sorry for your loss Clare thanks

Ewan dodgy joints do indeed respond to weight loss. Knees particularly love having less pressure on them.

I'm 9 stone 4 - one pound to go and I'm where I want to be.

Iamaslummymummy Mon 11-Mar-13 09:57:14


Its me. I'd love the recipe please.

Had protein powder and almond flour pancakes with orange essence in the batter topped with loads of butter. I live this woe!

Sorry for your loss clare

timidviper Mon 11-Mar-13 10:03:41

I am 2lb down this week so am pleased with that, as long as the trend is downwards I'm fine with it.

Ewan Oddly enough I just thought yesterday that I am not as achey as I was. I say oddly because I still have many, many stones to go.

Black I haven't got to grips with leptin and resistance yet but there is a lot of contradictory stuff around from what I've read. Some places say strict low carb all the time, others say strict low carb with a carb cheat every now and again to stop the body getting used to it. If you get your head around it please do share it with us!

teaandthorazine Mon 11-Mar-13 10:09:18

Thanks for the welcome on the other thread - hello to some 'old' faces too! It feels good to be back.

Have not got off to the most organised of starts tbh - early meeting this am meant I slurped down a cup of tea and semi skimmed without thinking. But am getting my head back into the right space and looking forward to the pounds dropping off!

Am thinking roast chicken slices for lunch... or maybe prawns with mayo...

sybilfaulty Mon 11-Mar-13 10:20:47

Arse. It's snowing quite hard here (S London) and that means I am going to have to brave driving to get the kids from school. Plus tonight is Brownies etc. so much running about. I hate driving in snow. Let's hope it doesn't settle.

Can I just ask re cauli mash, I made for the first time last week and, whilst nice, it was a bit sloppy. Did I do something wrong or is it always like that? I have made my kids a shep pie using potato left over mash. Do you think if I did half and half potato / cauliflower they would taste it? One of them can be a bit resistant to new things, esp of the veg variety.

Stay warm, everyone.

LavenderBriggs Mon 11-Mar-13 10:22:19

sybilfaulty did you boil the cauli? I find it gets a bit waterlogged unless I steam or microwave it.

sybilfaulty Mon 11-Mar-13 10:22:38

Oh and it's Masterchef again tomorrow. I'm out but will have recording set. I love Masterchef. Will anyone else be watching?

I love being on a thread with people who love food. When I did Dukan a few years ago, the thread was a little depressing (though the woman on it were lovely). THere is only so excited one can get about oatbran and muller light yoghurt....

slummy you have mail smile

teaandthorazine Mon 11-Mar-13 10:23:54

I tend to mash the cauli and then give it another few minutes on the heat to reduce some of the water - it is very 'wet' otherwise! Then I add the butter/cheese etc. Seems to help a bit.

carbalanche Mon 11-Mar-13 10:26:50

Very sorry Claire - concentrate on taking care of yourself like the others have said.

Well after a brilliant first 4 weeks followed by a disastrous 4 weeks, I have managed to claw myself back from the precipice and lost a stonking 8 pounds last week!! Can't believe it. This has really restored my faith in this WOE. It took me 3 weeks to gain 7.5 pounds and a week, ONE WEEK to lose it again and more.

I absolutely know the reasoning behind all of this and I know why I let myself spiral out-of-control in those 3 weeks - there was a lot going on emotionally, there was illness in the family, a couple of weeks of 24/7 childcare with no support and a trip to A&E for one of my kids thrown in for good measure. I turned to all the crutches I use to get me through and feel better (white bread, pastry, chocolate, crisps and wine) I loved every minute at the time but look where it got me and if I had continued then I would be back to square one.

So, looking forward to keeping a tight rein this week (so it's not just a fluke!) and then I will continue to enter on the spreadsheet over the coming weeks. I am 12st 7.5 today and I need to be 10st 9 by the middle of June.

Well done to everyone else and if you've gained, take heart from my experience, don't give up! smile

Iamaslummymummy Mon 11-Mar-13 10:27:13

Thank you!

prettybird Mon 11-Mar-13 10:29:52

You could also try blitzing an egg into the cauli mash (I usually microwave the cauliflower), plus some cream or sour cream (adapted from the IPD book) to top a shepherd's pie base.

I describe what I do somewhere on the recipe thread.

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 10:31:58

Thanks for that tip regarding the cauliflower mash tea as I do indeed find it a bit soggy.

Just returned from DS's school where I helped them make chocolate cornflake cakes with red tops on for Red Nose Day....the smell of melted chocolate and syrup mmmm.....and I resisted. Now eating a piece of cheese which doesn't quite cut it in the same way.

Okay confession time as I feel safe with you all here. I have had a lifelong binge eating disorder.....and for the first time ever I am in control if what I am eating. I no longer have cravings (well I do but they are not strong) I feel full between meals and actively don't want to eat. I haven't had a bag if crisps for 16 days now......that is a record for me. I just can't eat them.....one bag leads to several.

For the first time I feel normal about food and it's great.

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 10:33:34

....and meant to add a welcome to Clare and to say sorry about your loss. I had a m/c before DS was born and felt up to nothing afterwards for a long time.

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Mon 11-Mar-13 11:01:21

Half pound on this morning as a result of far to much wine and then beers on Saturday night.
Was worth it though, being super strict this week - 3lbs off would make it a stone off.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 11-Mar-13 11:08:46

Clare sorry for your loss.
Jake, your determination is impressive.
I have lost again this week so the slow downward trend continues and I am happy with that. I have now lost 18 lb and need to loose another 8 to not be officially overweight. I am determined to get there though.

Thanks for all the kind words thanks

Bacon and eggs for breakfast and have treated myself to a pricy salad from the posh deli for today, will be back on the homemade from tomorrow!

timidviper Mon 11-Mar-13 11:18:33

Jake Well done for admitting it, that's the first step to winning!
I think there's quite a few of us here have battled with the ABC of eating (Anorexia, Bulimia, Compulsive eating) and I think if you are overweight there is even less sympathy or help out there, although having watched a friend recently battling to get help for her anorexic daughter with a BMI of 13 I suspect the whole area is poor. Speaking personally I find that not living my life thinking about what have I just eaten and what am I going to eat next is real freedom!

Iamaslummymummy Mon 11-Mar-13 11:24:08

Stupid question. Does the alcohol burn off if you cook with it meaning that you doing have to count the carbs? I was thinking of making beef in ale stew or beef in Guinness?

herecomesthsun Mon 11-Mar-13 11:29:17

Hello again, I seem to have fallen off the spread sheet, I lost 11lb and have been hovering around 79-80kg since. I am very happy to be here though!

I had a lovely Mother's Day and had DS age 4 feeding me bits of cornflake cake (that he had made) in bed for breakfast, so it was hard to resist. I then went to church and got given posies and ended up having some shortbread. DH took me out for brunch (while DS went to a birthday party and DD slept in her buggy). He was wonderful and erm disposed of all my carbs; we shared some passionfruit creme brulee and mango sorbet, one pudding, 2 spoons. He had all the brulee, I just had a couple of spoons of sorbet and creme. So quite a naughty but a very happy day.

I had my blood sugars checked last week and they came back as 4.9 after lunch which is great. I am at risk of diabetes and am definitely planning to continue this long term.

I'm not sure how to play it re the processed meat issue. One consultant I saw for gestational diabetes suggested chicken salad for breakfast. Roasted cold chicken is actually a great fridge staple, and often you get 2 chickens for £8 type offers at Waitrose. It would actually be easier than a fry up in the morning. Plus mayonnaise perhaps?

Many thanks to BIWI and Willie for all their input by the way!

BIWI Mon 11-Mar-13 11:29:28

The alcohol burns off, but the carbs will still be present.

prettybird Mon 11-Mar-13 12:03:55

Yaaaaay!! 3lb off this morning, so that is 27lb in total since we started Boot Camp! smilesmile

And I'm now wearing my Size 12 jeans comfortably! ok, they are pre-stretched from previous weight gain

Wasn't expecting such a good result, as I gave myself a Mother's Day treat yesterday of a chocolate chip cookie (my first from four double batches that I'd made for various cake stalls and a meeting that dh was hosting), two small pieces of tablet (again, had made 3 batches and only had a couple of half pieces to test texture) and then culminated in sharing my large bar of South African peppermint crisp that my dad had brought back last October with ds (who had been desparate for me to open it there is still another one waiting to be eaten blush

The lovely bottle of South African pink bubbly that I shared with dh pales into insignificance alongside these transgressions. wink

I've put myself back on to full Boot Camp for a few days to ensure I don't lose my momentum. smile

BlackAffronted Mon 11-Mar-13 12:08:17

sad hey all, I'm so sick sad spent the night in the bathroom as it was so bad. feeling very weak and shakey today. any advice on how not to fall into a pile of toast? that's my usual 'first food'. I can't face anything with flavour. actually, I can't face anything at all but I'm just thinking ahead.

timid, when I'm feeling better ill be back and will share what I'm doing re leptin resistence. byt basically, I am following those rules I posted. apparentky, anyone who can look in the mirror and see someone overweight then you are almost certain to be leptin resistent.

well done to all the losers!

sybil, I love masterchef! ill be watching.

Still away from the scales, so have put myself as STS (again) on the spreadsheet. I've run out of bacon (eek!) so am thinking of having some cold leftover roast lamb for breakfast (yes, a very late breakfast, also known as lunch!), maybe with a couple of grilled aubergine slices. A proper chicken curry (made with pre-home-made base sauce and loads of fiddly spices) for dinner tonight - with lettuce, probably (works as a vehicle for the sauce). Probably a vindaloo.

Still off the ciggies, still on the e-cigs, still enjoying the various chocolate/custard/honey flavour juices! I think DH and I are off out with the cameras today - no snow here in the west of Ireland but lots of sunshine, even though it's freezing, and the wind is bitter. I have an infra red filter I want to try - this is the perfect weather for it.

timidviper Mon 11-Mar-13 12:33:57

Hope you feel better soon Black, Have you got any chicken in that you could make a clear chicken soup with? It is not known as jewish penicillin for nothing!

halfthesize Mon 11-Mar-13 12:47:22

sorry to hear about your loss Clare thanks

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 13:22:50

OMG help me .....I am going insane for ......something......but I dot know what. Have had lunch and have eaten well and drunk loads of water. Now I want.......something.....I do t think I am hungry......but I might be.

I want....sweet.....something.

Just making a batch of the Parmesan shortbread and will make a liquorice tea as well to see if I can quell it. Bloody nightmare.

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 13:27:18

It's at times like this that the zero carb Pepsi Max would be handy but I won't do it as I am finally ......clean lol.

Sipping fizzy water and waiting for the Parmesan shortbread......yummy and might satisfy my cravings for .....something,

barleywood Mon 11-Mar-13 13:28:24

Jake...hope the parmesan shortbread satisfies your immediate craving. It certainly tastes good enough.

No point in encouraging you to distract yourself. I'm sure you know all the tricks.

Trouble is your body has probably learned a few tricks of its own.

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 13:32:12

Have hoovered, read Briffa and tidied up all Lego, even played music but it's no good. S the shortbread will help.....as long as I don't eat it all.

barleywood Mon 11-Mar-13 13:33:56


Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:52:09

How about total yoghurt with cream in!

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:52:46

That was meant to be a ?

I didn't just think I'd told a funny joke, or something.

QuickLookBusy Mon 11-Mar-13 13:52:55

Hope you're feeling better soon Black.

I STS this week, which is good as I'm trying to maintain at the moment. I have introduced a slice of toast with my poached egg some days and other days I've had a banana, which is my favourite fruit and I've really missed them.

I did have some chocolate cake yesterday which dd made me. I really enjoyed it but my tummy didn't. I had the most awful stomach pains all night, I won't be eating cake again for a while.

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:55:25

I keep missing choc cake and if there is one around (eg if we are at a party or someone's house etc) I sometimes try a little bite. But I haven't tasted one that is nice enough to make me want a whole slice, or even another bite.

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 13:55:55

blackaffronted I hope you get bette soon

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 13:57:40

Tis okay grin . Ate ONE piece of the shortbread and then left the house..

The rest of it is at home and hopefully I can just leave it alone when I get back. Airtight container should do the trick. smile

Just been to the pub for a colleague's leaving lunch and tucked into rump steak, mushrooms, salad and their amazing home made coleslaw. I did get some looks from my colleagues for asking for no chips though - I have explained the principles of this WOE but they are skeptical smile I even gave away my onion rings which are my FAVOURITE thing. Back at my desk now with a peppermint tea to round things off.

Well done Jake on the resisting! This is something I still need to work on, I have a history of compulsive eating too and it is still sometimes rearing its ugly head.

captainmummy Mon 11-Mar-13 15:18:25

Did you make a liquorice tea jake? I bought some the other day on the recommendations from here - and I agree it is surprisingly sweet! (I dont actually like it much - but have 40 teabags to get through!)

Have made creamcheese pancakes for tea, to be stuffed with chicken-and-spinach and cream sauce.

Ruprekt Mon 11-Mar-13 15:19:28

179lbs again. Yay to the whoosh fairy.

A whole stone since January 7th!!

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 15:54:48

Yes I did make the liquorice tea.....love the stuff thankfully.

Tonight is chicken, baked swede and courgette in cream sauce....well....baked in cream, DS has roast pots with his and I'll do some extra veg like cauliflower which DS loves...might even do the rest of the spinach.

That should keep me going and liquorice tea later just to up my fluid levels.

BIWI Mon 11-Mar-13 16:51:39

And you are drinking plenty of water, aren't you, Jake? <looks over top of glasses>

BlackAffronted Mon 11-Mar-13 17:39:22

have eaten a crwam cracker and a mug of cauli/broccoli soup, which has stayed down si far thankfully. craving chips with loads of salt though, really bad! still in my bed where I have been all day, dh had to take the day off wirk. I hurt all over, even my hair hurts sad

Ruprekt Mon 11-Mar-13 17:49:30

Biwi? Ahem? My news..............

BIWI Mon 11-Mar-13 18:18:58

Ruprekt thanks

That is brilliant. You should be really pleased with yourself!

<strokes hair again for good measure>

BIWI Mon 11-Mar-13 18:19:35

Oh BlackAffronted - that sounds horrible.

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 18:28:16

Yes BIWI...plenty if water grin

NoelHeadbands Mon 11-Mar-13 19:44:34

Hello all <waves>

Been away since Thu night, and I'll hold my hands up- been a total carbivore. Strict boot camping now and will catch up with the thread

Kiriwawa Mon 11-Mar-13 19:57:24

Hello all smile

Not been around for a bit - RL getting in the way in a tiresome way. I've been a bit boozy but have steered clear of carby food. It was DS's birthday on Saturday and I sent some photos to my parents and my dad looked at one of me carrying in the cake and said 'who's that?' to my mum! So even though I've pretty much STS over the last 2 weeks (tho haven't weighed since last Tuesday), I have definitely lost weight. I have got into dresses that I haven't got into for the last 2 years smile

Oh and there was an American doctor on PM (radio 4 current affairs prog) this evening who has been invited to the UK by some big health body to talk about the fact that it is sugar which makes us obese, not fat. I can't remember his name annoyingly but the interviewer was saying that we might have to revise public health advice.

ETA: have just googled the right thing and he's called Robert Lustig. Here's the thing he's at: www.fabresearch.org/3210

Hope all are okay - gosh there is some amazing weightloss just on this thread which is truly inspiring. Well done smile

NellVarnish Mon 11-Mar-13 20:10:18

<sneaks in as not weighed, and scared to as have been BAD>

Aw Clare8, so sad for you. Be nice and gentle to yourself.

Hope you feel better soon Black.

Thanks for the new thread BIWI.

<scuttles off with tail between legs>

Kiriwawa Mon 11-Mar-13 20:32:08

I didn't think it was appropriate to say anything in that hideously cheery post but am so sorry for your loss clare8. I've been there and it's utterly miserable. Be kind to yourself x

QuickLookBusy Mon 11-Mar-13 20:57:11

Is anyone else seeing advert up there^^

"win £250 worth of supermarket vouchers in our whole grain goodness campaign" they are thing to make us eat more grains shock grin

JakeBullet Mon 11-Mar-13 21:19:43

Kiri, that link is fabulous. ..wish I could go.

Who knows, there might be change afoot in the future.

TheEarlyBird Mon 11-Mar-13 21:35:09

Kiri - I heard him too. Very interesting. Dr Robin Lustig Fat Chance

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 22:04:14

I had the nicest dinner this evening from a sparse fridge: mushrooms and leeks fried in butter then added a bit of water, Boursin and Parmesan. Then a bit of smoked salmon. I had it with romanescu cauliflower rice.

black. Hope you are feeling a bit better

claire v sorry to hear about your mc sad

Ruprekt Mon 11-Mar-13 22:09:28

B sausages, bacon and 2 poached eggs

L ham slices, made dbl batch parmesan shortbread. Ate a lot.

D cheeseburger, celeriac chips and hm coleslaw

Peppermint tea

clare I am so sorry to hear your news. I hope you've got some good RL support, it is so awful xx

Ruprekt sorry to sabotage you with parmesan shortbread, but you sound like you are doing awesomely, congrats on your stone! No idea what that shortbread tastes like cold, it has never yet had the chance!

B (ridiculously early, hence snack!) 2 cold chipolatas, 2 cheesy scrambled eggs
S Cold chipolata, hard boiled egg, half a tomato
L Big salad with a crustless mini quiche, hardboiled egg, bit of ham, coleslaw
D Chicken thighs/drummers and riceless jambalaya, so good! Broccoli. Yogurt for pud.

Going to a friend's for lunch tomorrow and had to explain about low carbing. She's doing a chilli and very kindly offered to do me a rice alternative like bulghur wheat/polenta but I gracefully declined and offered to bring a big salad to go with it, so all is good.

Ruprekt Mon 11-Mar-13 23:04:11

smilesmilesmilesmile Preenssmilesmilesmilesmilesmileand bows.........and twirls.............

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Mon 11-Mar-13 23:45:23

4lbs this week grin

About time though as I'd STS the week before (period).

That's 18 lbs in 7 weeks, 5 of them low carbing.

A million more to go - but as long as it keeps going in the right direction...

I'd probably 'give it away' faster if I could get more water down!

Ilovemyteddy Tue 12-Mar-13 07:02:20

thanks Ruprekt

Shout-out for MsRinky. Haven't seen you around the Bootcamp threads much but notice on the spreadsheet that you have lost LOADS of weight. Bloody well done!

BlackAffronted Tue 12-Mar-13 07:10:35

Im down 6lb, but that will be from being ill sad Have put it on the spreadsheet anyway, just because I dont ever get to put great losses like that on! Ill probably regain it in the next few days.

Feeling much, much better today, have just managed a reasonable ass breakfast grin

MsRinky Tue 12-Mar-13 07:15:20

Aw, thank you blush

I have done well overall, but have not done terribly well during this Bootcamp - have had a lot of social stuff on and keep losing and then finding the same couple of pounds. The food side of things is ok, I just keep finding excuses to drink wine.

I am a bit cross with myself, as in two weeks it is my 1 year low-carb anniversary, and I wanted to have lost 4 stone. I think I'm going to come up a bit short of that, as I have another 2 x 40th birthday parties to go to over the next two weekends. But it's still a massive achievement for me.

I'm hoping that when I go part time from May I'll get a new focus - more time to myself and I'm planning to up my exercise.

Ilovemyteddy Tue 12-Mar-13 07:59:28

Aww don't beat yourself up. You've lost 7lbs on Bootcamp and you are really close to losing that 4st. Sorry, I look like I'm stalking you grin. But, as you know, I know what it's like to need to lose more than just a few pounds and I just wanted to publicly acknowledge your achievement. You should be proud thanks

sybilfaulty Tue 12-Mar-13 08:11:00

4st is a great loss.

STS for me this week which is fine. I too have had lots on over bootcamp coupled with a horrendous work situation so it's been a challenge. Have fallen inot the LC food but not really been as abstemious as I should be

Have a good day everyone.

captainmummy Tue 12-Mar-13 08:40:46

I find it amusing that most of these threads have a 'common' food-love - on one it was kalecrisps, then braised cabbage,then linseed crackers, this one is parmesan shortbread...

MsR - 4 stone is awesome. You are half the woman you were!

BIWI Tue 12-Mar-13 08:50:20

Wow, MsRinky! That is fabulous. thanks

And BlackAffronted - glad you're feeling better. Please, please, please don't stress about your weight over the next couple of weeks. Given that you've been poorly, it's not surprising that you've lost so much weight, and it is entirely possible that you may put a bit back on. This is entirely normal.

Re the Parmesan shortbread - has anyone put the recipe on the recipe thread?

EwanHoozami Tue 12-Mar-13 09:33:23

Has anyone tried the Brussels crisps yet? Lovely.

MsR that is a-mazing! Well done.

I've been crap at posting meal plans lately (especially blush as I was the one chivvying everyone to do it)

B: Lidl yog with a sprinkle of dessicated coconut
L: spinach omelette
D: corned beef hash with cauli and swede instead of the spuds

Other notable dinners I've cooked lately have been...

Miso chicken and spring green (shirataki) noodle soup
Smoked paprika pork and green beans
Sausage and chorizo goulash
Naice ham, fried egg and celeriac chips
Chicken liver salad
Cauli rice kedgeree (scored some packs of fresh mackerel for 4p each!)

Bessie123 Tue 12-Mar-13 09:52:08

How do you make Brussels crisps?

BIWI Tue 12-Mar-13 10:02:42

Oooh - yes - I'd forgotten about that recipe, Ewan - I've got some Brussels in the fridge as well.

Yup BIWI shortbread recipe is posted on the recipe thread.

Would also like to know about brussels crisps as I have a pack of reduced sprouts in my fridge!

EwanHoozami Tue 12-Mar-13 10:40:18
Ilisten2theradio Tue 12-Mar-13 11:09:32

Black, how are you feeling today. Re the salty thing - perhaps your body is trying to tell you you need salt. Try a pinch of salt in some water and see how it tastes. If it is disgusting then you are not too dehydrated!
I am going to go and see what this parmasan shortbread is all about as I wasn't about last week and have not had time to read the thread.

Ugh, am a sugary twat. The printing guy just bought in danish pastries for everyone. And now I feel sick AND very cross with myself. Grrr. Really wanted a stone by the end of bootcamp but am still 4lbs off which does not seem likely now!

JakeBullet Tue 12-Mar-13 11:24:40

Ooh...*Ilisten*....it is lethal stuff....made two batches in two days and both gone blush. Am NOT making it today.....and DS absolutely HATES it but then he doesn't like melted cheese.

Incidentally, yesterday I was a good mother and packed DA his lunch box which contained chicken (which I had lovingly marinated in herbs and garlic), some carrot sticks, cucumber sticks and some fruit. I got a phone call from the school to say..."he hated the chicken" and had only had carrot, cucumber and some apple for lunch. Back to processed crap....ie sausages today grin

thenightsky Tue 12-Mar-13 11:39:09

Just one more pound and I'll hit the 20lb milestone by the end of our 10 week camp! I cannot tell you all how pleased I am after spending the last decade losing 1 or 2lb a week and gaining 3lb over the weekends, then back to starvation on weekdays. I'd even considered shady medication off the internet at one point blush. Thank God I found this thread.

Bessie123 Tue 12-Mar-13 11:39:21

Thanks ewan

Bessie123 Tue 12-Mar-13 11:44:04

Hmm, I reckon it will be about 9lb for me over this bootcamp but I have cheated a few times so I suppose I shouldn't expect to lose more. I can squeeze into a size 12 but unless it's an M&S or some other larger-sized store, it's not comfortable.

I think my new goal is going to be to lose another half a stone by the next bootcamp, unless we can persuade Biwi to start on Monday <bats eyelashes>

I was thinking, you see, that if we keep going, one bootcamp after the other, we can get 2 in before summer holiday time, or thereabouts. What do you reckon?

Finally marking place! Am at all day conf today where food provided - I have bought my own lunch [halo emoticon]

BIWI Tue 12-Mar-13 12:07:55

Next one will start on Monday 29 April, Bessie. Which will mean it finishes on 30 June, so in good time for summer holidays/bikini opportunities.

Next Monday we will have the final weigh-in, and will then just continue with a general, rolling chat thread.

teaandthorazine Tue 12-Mar-13 12:31:42

Honestly, I should've known better than to start low carb on a whim - am so unprepared grin. Yesterday started off ok but by dinner time I'd messed up by realising that I had a fridge full of carby leftovers from the weekend (am not in financial position to be able to chuck them away!) so... think I better lurk for the rest of the week!

Can someone remind me what the low carb position is on soy milk?

sorry to hear you've been so poorly blackaffronted, be kind to yourself and i hope you're managing to get plenty of rest

that sprouts recipe looks great - there's one on her blog too for sprouts slaw which looks delicious too (i would leave out the almonds because i am a fussy bugger)

29th april sounds perfect because i have a wedding to go to at the end of june. i make that nine weeks to 30th june though, am i going boggle-eyed?

Ooh, that is good timing as I get back from a few days in France on the 29th where there will no doubt be beaucoup des carbs... Although, let's all swear to keep going til then need you all to keep me on the straight and narrow

carbalanche Tue 12-Mar-13 13:23:42

Biwi just wanted to check that we are OK to keep filling in the spreadsheet in the intervening 7 weeks till the next Bootcamp? I feel the need to keep the momentum going. I aim to be about 11st 7 by the time we reconvene again - (I just wanted to put that down in writing to spur myself along!)

Great results on here grin

please do carbalanche. i won't be doing biggest loser etc but i like to keep going too as it keeps me accountable

Bessie123 Tue 12-Mar-13 13:32:13

biwi that was a very firm and sensible response. Boo. Can you confirm whether your big stick will also be on the general rolling chat thread?

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 12-Mar-13 13:39:17

thank you to whoever recommended the BAB - I have BABBED for the last 4 days and have had virtually zero snacks.

In my early LCHF days I used to eat this tremendous breakfast - easy to transport to work or whereever and snack on:
1.5 chicken breasts, coated in beaten egg, dipped in loads of parmesan and fried in butter. plus a large chunk of cheese. Delicious and kept me full til lunch. I stopped having it after eating it for about 3 months solid. Might go back to it as currently eating a lot of sausages and bacon.

black well done re sticking to the woe despite feeling poorly - I was ill about 3 weeks ago and really craved carbs - a feeling that I had forgotten.

off to recipe thread now - must have parmesan shortbread...smile

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 12-Mar-13 13:47:33

cant find recipe thread, can someone link?
thank you in advance


BlackAffronted Tue 12-Mar-13 13:49:14

Mary, I am also loving my BABs, no snacking for me either smile

BlackAffronted Tue 12-Mar-13 13:50:53

Well, Ill admit I had a handfull of salty chips yesterday, I was craving them so bad sad Only had a cream cracker and a mug of broccoli/cauli soup besides that. Today though, I am back on LC properly.

BIWI Tue 12-Mar-13 14:02:58

You're quite right, Willie blush

Ten weeks would take us up to 7 July.

Bessie - there may or not be some Big Stick Action. But first I need to know why you have asked the question ... wink

Doshusallie Tue 12-Mar-13 14:03:17

marks place. Waves.

JakeBullet Tue 12-Mar-13 14:14:59

Thanks BIWI as now I have found you all here I dont want to leave lol.

BIWI Tue 12-Mar-13 16:22:20
Ruprekt Tue 12-Mar-13 16:29:19

(Needy). But you will still be there for us wont you Biwi? To answer questions and tell us off and stuff.

And Willie wont go anywhere will she?

And Hercules and thekitchenfairy and Val and BA and everyone will still come to support us.........

And we can still tell you what we have had to eat and you will still pretend to be interested?


Ilovemyteddy Tue 12-Mar-13 16:35:49

Very interesting article BIWI. It took 10 months of LC-ing for my blood pressure to become normal, but that is after over thirty years of having high blood pressure. So it works!

BIWI Tue 12-Mar-13 16:58:41

I won't be going anywhere, Ruprekt grin

God ruprekt I need you lot to keep me on the straight and narrow. I need the ever-present threat of the Big Stick as much as anyone!

Ruprekt Tue 12-Mar-13 17:27:26

gringrinHee hee!!

JakeBullet Tue 12-Mar-13 17:32:33

So so glad we will all still be supporting one another between Bootcamps. I have found the threads such a help.

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 12-Mar-13 18:29:21

I tried the teapigs mint + liquorice tea, lovely albeit pricey

also bought Twinings liquorice tea - also lovely, reminded me of the liquorice twigs I used to chew as a child - it;s a lot cheaper too

B: 3 black farmer chipolatas, 3 rashers streaky bacon, 2 hb eggs
L: roast pork, gravy, cauli with cheese
D: will be buttered cabbage with pork mince ragu sauce with soured cream + cheese

Ilovemyteddy Tue 12-Mar-13 18:50:39

I couldn't have done this without the spreadsheet and the Big Stick. And, of course, you lovelies grin

JakeBullet Tue 12-Mar-13 19:26:42

Is the Twinings Liquorice tea as sweet as the Teapigs one.....am a but addicted and it's pricy grin

timidviper Tue 12-Mar-13 20:04:53

Bessie Even though there is a gap between bootcamps we keep chatting and most of us stick to the WOE just the same. Bootcamp just knocks us all back into line every now and again.

Don't worry we'll all still be here and I think the spreadsheet is left open too

Not going anywhere!!! I need you lot to keep me in check.

I was at a conference today, food provided. I took my own salad in my salad box - was delish! I didn't have a single snack, pastry or biscuit - not even one. Usually I think I'll just have one small one then think fuck it and eat loads! I did have lots of coffee and not enough water though...

Well I think I pulled it back after the Danish pastry incident this morning - salad with oily dressing, cucumber sticks dipped in tzatziki and a couple of slices of salami for lunch, then roast chicken thighs and home made coleslaw tonight. Got a weekend of unknown eating coming up - lunch with FIL and dinner with friends - so need to make sure am on track til then!

EMUZ Tue 12-Mar-13 21:06:03

I just had a lovely picky tea of roast chicken (with mrs dash seasoning) and crispy bacon wrapped in little gem lettuce with shredded cucumber and a tiny bit of spring onion. With nandos peri sauce. Now my mouth is on fire grin

Ruprekt Tue 12-Mar-13 21:16:09

BAB 2 sausages, bacon, 2 poached eggs and celeriac chips

L Too full to eat much so had piece of parmesan shortbread

S 3 slices edam with ham, pork scratchings

D none. Water, peppermint tea

Bessie123 Tue 12-Mar-13 21:31:39

timidviper thankyou for the reassurance <frets> I don't think I'm ready to go it all alone yet.

I have been hungry all day and have spent a lot of time eating:
B - duck egg scrambled with butter, smoked salmon and creme fraiche
S- Parmesan shortbread
L - prawn cocktail and raw spinach
S - 2 babybels
D - celeriac fondant, sprout crisps, spinach, sea bass and broccoli with anchovy, garlic, lemon and Parmesan

Dinner was really delicious but I feel as if I should be oinking now. I am about to have total with cream.

colette Tue 12-Mar-13 22:07:12

How can this be week 10 already ?
Where is the recipe for the parmesan shortbread please ? It sounds delicious.

thenightsky Tue 12-Mar-13 22:30:58

Right... bracing myself for 4 days in Brighton! For train travel tomorrow I shall take a couple of Babybels in handbag and half a dozen brazils.

Hope I can find something to eat out ok. Evening meals should be ok (fish and salad etc) its just the lunches while out shopping that will be difficult I think... I'd normally have sandwiches/pannini/baked potatoes etc.

Ruprekt Tue 12-Mar-13 22:42:01


25g softened butter
1 egg yolk
cayenne pepper or paprika
15g parmesan
80g ground almonds

Cream the butter and add the cheese. Mix with pepper and add egg yolk. Mix. Add ground almonds and squish together until you have a shortbread consistency. Flatten and put on tray. Bake for 10 mins til golden brown. Slather in butter.

Tis addictive, what is not to like?????

thenightsky Tue 12-Mar-13 22:45:06

it's lovely spread with cream cheese too

timidviper Tue 12-Mar-13 22:52:36

I don't like cheese much, I can cope with a touch of it on or in stuff but couldn't eat it alone so how cheesy is this shortbread? I wonder would it work with less cheese...

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Tue 12-Mar-13 23:14:08

Anyone have any idea what I could use to 'bind' the 'shortbread' other than egg (I don't eat egg) - it sounds good smile

BIWI Tue 12-Mar-13 23:16:01

Could you try it with a bit of creme fraiche/yoghurt, MyHead?

JakeBullet Wed 13-Mar-13 05:41:36

I am curious. ...not all calories are equal...am I right?

So in fact I could be eating a larger number of calories and still br losing weight. ....

or is the LCHF actually making me eat less <conveniently forgets two days of parmesan shortbread which is gone>l?

Just wondering smile .

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 06:50:47

thenightsky - I usually manage to grab a salad somewhere out at lunchtime if I have to. Subway do lovely ones!

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 06:52:34

JB, calories are NOT equal! How are our bodies use a fat calorie and a carb calorie are different. smile I hope you are not cal counting?

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 06:54:47

Just having my BAB - cheese omlette and a hot protein shake. Im trying to eat 50g of protein for breakfast each day as part of the leptin reset I am doing - and it really seems to be working! Apart from my sicky day, I have not snacked nor wanted to between meals plus I am starting to see some of the other benefits listed as part of leptin sensitivity.

JakeBullet Wed 13-Mar-13 07:38:39

Hell no grin ....stopped calorie counting after BIWI sat me on the naughty step for it wink .

Actually have reread the chapter in Briffa this morning and it now makes much more sense. smile smile

Am out all morning at the local special needs office. Not hungry but have forced down a couple of spoonfuls of mashed cauliflower and 20g of chedder....mini individual pack hence being precise.

Will take one with me for mid morning and some fizzy water. My friend went to Costco yestetday and when I hot home there were a dozen bottles of Highland Spring by the back door...big 1.5 litre ones. So delighted I was....sent him huge thanks.

LavenderBriggs Wed 13-Mar-13 08:04:48

Morning all. I'm still trying to get my head around the amount we've lost - 600-odd pounds of fat - gone - away on the breeze. Clever us.

I had a lovely experience yesterday. I made some tiffin and when I was cutting it into discs I ate some of the left-overs. It felt very strange indeed - I don't snack any more, so to be snacking felt bizarre. It's taken 10 weeks to wean me off nibbling stuff. Even more clever. And I've had a bit of a whoosh - I think I was 9 stone 3 this morning, but my eyes hadn't been awake long enough to focus. Will see if it stays off.

Big thanks to whoever introduced the BAB concept thanks I had chicken and scrambled eggs yesterday and didn't fancy lunch until after 1pm. I used to be starving at 10am grin

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 08:39:35

BABs are ace grin they have definitely changed my bootcamp experience!

teaandthorazine Wed 13-Mar-13 08:45:18

Am dying to get hold of some of that teapigs liquorice tea, sounds amazing. Is it only Waitrose?

Had a cup of ordinary builders this am with a splash of milk - this is the habit I found hardest to break last time! Am not sure that a weeny splotch of semi skimmed (like my tea STRONG) is a tragedy in the long run though...

Lunch today will be ham/cheese/olives/snacky bits

Dinner will be beef stirfry with lots of green veg. May have some lidl yoghurt afterwards (woohoo!)

Feel so much better just thinking about this WOE. Don't know why I ever stopped (well, the bumper tin of Xmas Roses might have played a small part...)

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 08:50:01

I'm very glad to hear it!!!

Calories are definitely not equal. Let's imagine you eat the 'normal', 'healthy' diet of a bowl of cereal, with skimmed milk (of course), a glass of orange juice and a slice of wholemeal toast with low fat spread (urgh).

All those calories will do is deliver a massive amount of sugar into your blood stream which means you have to produce a huge amount of insulin to deal with it all. Some of the sugar will supply your immediate energy needs. The rest will go to your glycogen stores, for future energy needs - and the rest (and there will be a lot left over) will be laid down as fat. So even if these calories were from low fat foods, you will still be laying down fat.

Contrast this with a breakfast of, say, scrambled eggs made with butter, a cup of coffee with a splash of cream, and some cheese. Whilst protein does produce some insulin, the levels are much, much smaller. Any sugar that your body does produce from this (which will not be a lot) will be used either immediately, or go to your glycogen stores - which are usually empty when we're low carbing - but in the main, this amount will fuel immediate energy needs.

So these calories aren't laying down fat.

Definitely not equal calories!

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 08:51:42

BlackAffronted - tell us more about leptin resistance and what you are doing to 're-set' it, please - sounds very interesting.

colette Wed 13-Mar-13 09:34:45

Thanks Ruprekt ,sounds delicious
will buy ground almonds today- think the kids will love it as well

JakeBullet Wed 13-Mar-13 09:48:30

<uses explanations as reason to make more Parmesan shortbread>grin

LittleFrieda Wed 13-Mar-13 09:54:16

Hello everyone. So pleased this is still going and you are all doing so brilliantly well <awe>.

Can someone please link me to a list of veg carb counts per 100g? BIWI very kindly sent it to me yonks ago but I've since updated my laptop.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 09:59:34

Hello, LittleFrieda! <waves enthusiastically>

Here's the latest spreadsheet

If you look at the tabs at the bottom, you will see one for the veg carb counter, as well as lots of other brilliant resources

LittleFrieda Wed 13-Mar-13 10:22:53

BIWI - thank you so much. Am off to educate myself.

EwanHoozami Wed 13-Mar-13 10:56:54

Ach that shortbread sounds great but nuts seem to make me stall (this was the pact I made with the devil in order for dairy not to affect me wink )

Unexpected meal out yesterday - I can confirm that Carluccio's is good for LC eating. I had their fish and chorizo stew, lovely.

B: scrambled eggs with edam
L: avocado and bacon salad
D: haddock fillet with purple sprouting and lemon hollandaise <posh>

A good food day!

LittleFrieda Wed 13-Mar-13 11:19:30

Terrines aux aromates (herb terrine)
Serves 6 as a main course with salad and is adorable
450g of frozen spinach
100g good quality ham finely chopped
450g good quality sausage meat
Crushed clove garlic
3 tbsp of chopped fresh herbs (parsley, basil, rosemary)
200g thinly cut bacon for lining the terrine

Line a 1.25 litre ovenproof dish with the bacon and mix the remainder ingredients together in a separate bowl. Spoon the mixture on top of the dish lined with bacon and place more bits of bacon over the top of the mixture cover tightly with foil. Place the dish in a roasting pan and pour water onto the roasting tin so it comes half way up the sides.

Cook in centre of moderate oven for 1 hour - 1 hour 10 minutes. (170 degrees - 180 degrees)

Terrine is very impressive turned out onto a serving dish. I sometimes add chopped chestnuts (but not sure if these are allowed).

Can be served hot or cold (ps it's also a very good dinner party starter with a rocket & Parmesan salad)

LittleFrieda Wed 13-Mar-13 11:20:42

Forgot to say (defrost the frozen spinach first and squeeze out any excess water)

Yup Ewan I'm tempted to make it too but am resisting as I would be far to likely to overdo it

I am trying to adapt the BAB concept for breakfasts I can make and eat at work - lots of buttery scrambled egg as we have an office microwave, does anyone have any other suggestions as becoming a little bit egged out...

In other news, I am trying out a hoola hooping class tonight, hoping it will help further trim my waist!

12lbs down as of this morning, pushing on...

herecomesthsun Wed 13-Mar-13 12:03:42

How do you make scrambled egg in a microwave?

LittleFrieda Wed 13-Mar-13 12:12:50

I struggle most with variation at breakfast. Eggs. Eggs. Eggs.

Bessie123 Wed 13-Mar-13 12:14:03

Still eggy but how about breakfast muffins? Like the inside of a quiche but bake in muffin tin.

Or yoghurt

Or tofu and mushroom stir fried with soy sauce, reheated in the microwave?

Smoked salmon and cream cheese?

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 12:32:09

Ok, as promised here is the leptin thing I was reading about here. I am not doing it 100% as I am still doing exercise in the morning once a week. I am eating as soon as I get up & eating 50g of protein, thats the only hard bit. I am seeing differences already though, so I am keeping at it for the 6/8 weeks you need to reset. I can go 6 hours between meals already and no snacking at all.

It is supposed to increase your sex drive (noticing this already), increase your body temp a but (noticing already), decrease hunger (yep) change body shape (yep, starting to get a waist!) even moods (was getting that from low carb anyway) sleeping soundly at night (oh yes! last few nights Ive been dead to the world! and that was AFTER improving my sleep with bootcamp!).

I read loads about it, and Dr Kruse, before doing it, to be sure it wasnt just a new fad grin but decided that anything that stops me snacking has to be worth a try smile There is a 2000+ page thread on Marks Daily Apple about it too, which was very informative.

teaandthorazine Wed 13-Mar-13 13:00:04

My office-mate has brought in homemade chocolate tiffin - aaargh. I've made her deliver it to a colleague on another floor to take it out of my eyeline!

Acually feel ok today. Mildly headachy, but otherwise pretty good. Quite snacky, but I know that's because I'm not in ketosis yet. Had yoghurt for breakfast, snacked on a few brazil nuts, now eating cheese and olives for lunch. Not exactly bootcamp but got to be better than a sandwich and a lump of choc tiffin!

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 13-Mar-13 13:19:00

jake interestingly on the calorie front, at my health assessment my daily calorie intake was estimated as 2900 (govt recommendation 1900). My weight is stable at 124lbs on that intake. I think that's why I feel warm - have felt cold for 25 years following their low fat low cal regime angry

off to read up on leptin reset...

timidviper Wed 13-Mar-13 14:07:18

Well I seem to be having a whoosh in the wrong direction (sounds like an emema or similar doesn't it? grin) as I have inexplicably gone up 4lb since the weekend.
Don't know quite what I've done to deserve it but never mind, will battle on.

captainmummy Wed 13-Mar-13 14:45:38

herecomesthesun - scramnbled eggs are the easiest thing in the microwave! Break eggsinto a plastic container and whisk. Add some butter/cream and microwave on high for about 1 min. Whisk again. microwave for about 15 secs. Repeat if you need to - bearing in mind they will still cook when you remove them from oven.
Saves on the washing up too, washing eggy pans is a right 'mare.

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 17:10:17

Whoever mentioned peppermint & liquorice tea, I get this one here and it is lovely! I bought mine in Morrisons. Its so nice I drink about 3 cups a day.The Morrisons magazine also has a 50p off voucher inside.

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 17:16:50

Making this for dinner! Found a few low carb, or easily adaptable recipes there.

JakeBullet Wed 13-Mar-13 17:17:22

OMG...what a day....broke down in the way home from a meeting...waited for my Dad to come and help me (bless him). Told him I was starving and asked if he would bring me some cheese and ham pieces to keep me going. Forty minutes later he rocks up bearing a Kentucky and chips (no I didn't bloody well refuse them I was staaaarvinb).

Anyway, car sorted, now home, low Carbing like crazy and making plans for tomorrow to ensure I have supplies in me for future.
btw...sirloin steak is delicious with swede, courgette and aubergine dauphinoise.

Am stuffed....drinking plenty if water but must admit that yesterday did not manage 2.5 litres as got sick of going to the loo every five minutes. On form today.

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 17:59:04

Mmm those chicken roll-ups were very tasty smile

MsRinky Wed 13-Mar-13 18:43:40
BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 18:45:52

I wonder if her book will be any good?

BlackAffronted Wed 13-Mar-13 18:47:37

"If the daily diet in the Paltrow household includes protein (fish/meat/eggs/pulses), unprocessed fats (butter/olive oil), plenty of vegetables and some fruit, then it is healthy, nutrient-rich and lacking in nothing. If that's what the Paltrow kids eat, she's doing them a favour." <<< this needs to be trotted out on sooo many threads on MN just now!

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 19:34:56

That's a really good article apart from the bit about being hungry, which I really don't understand hmm

halfthesize Wed 13-Mar-13 20:35:21

Fab article MsRinky I really like GP, but agree with BIWI cant understand why her DC are getting hungry confused

NoelHeadbands Wed 13-Mar-13 20:43:06

Evenin all

Good news, I'm back in ketosis after my long weekend of total carbage.

B- bacon and scrambled eggs
L - celery with smoked salmon and cream cheese. Extra sticks of butter
T - egg and chips low carb style (celeriac)

Heavy on the processed stuff, will have a better food day tomorrow

There is a thread in In The News about the GP article. Just off for a read!

Doshusallie Wed 13-Mar-13 21:05:07

Are there seriously 9 carbs in one leek?

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 21:16:40

I wouldn't think so - how much did the leek weigh? It would have to weigh around 300g to be 9g carbs

NoelHeadbands Wed 13-Mar-13 21:17:41

Was it one of those giant show veg?!

Yama Wed 13-Mar-13 21:19:57

Hey everyone,

I've just booked the flights for our summer holiday - Finland here we come!

We'll be visiting a couple of uni friends (married) as well as spending a few days in Helsinki. Man, it's been ages since I've been anywhere different. Am mega excited <channeling teen speak>.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 21:21:49

Yay! It's great to have a holiday to look forward to.

Yama Wed 13-Mar-13 21:30:33

Thanks BIWI. A new country to see. I am now going to spend my evenings looking up things to do in Helsinki and the surrounding area. I will be a Finn geek. grin

Firsttimepig Wed 13-Mar-13 21:43:09

Hi all, had only a 1lb loss this week but a loss is a loss ! I am writing to tell you all about the faux pancakes I made this morning, taken from pig to twig diet book. Really nice made from ground almonds instead of flour, walnuts, eggs, baking powder and ground linseed. Yummy, they are like fat drop pancakes. Highly recommended

Yama Wed 13-Mar-13 21:47:24

Ooh, recipe pleas Firsttimepig - I've just got dh all excited.

Doshusallie Wed 13-Mar-13 21:50:20

grin Noel... No not a show veg. Not sure of weight, will get one from fridge and check...

Firsttimepig Wed 13-Mar-13 21:54:07

Here's the recipe

40g ground linseed
60g walnut pieces
50g Finely ground almonds
2tsp ground cinnamon
1/4 tsp sea salt
4 tbsp Splenda ( optional of course )
4 large eggs
240ml unsweetened soya milk
1tsp baking powder

Blend all leave for about 15 mins before you use it as it expands a bit,
Add baking powder just before you plan to fry. Blobs of mixture in the pan 2 mins each side. X

Yama Wed 13-Mar-13 21:58:29

Thanks Firsttimepig - dh will be making at the weekend. We'll use almond milk instead of soya and no Splenda (don't have any).

Roll on the weekend!

Firsttimepig Wed 13-Mar-13 22:00:38

Let me know if you enjoy them

Yep, always do scrambled in the microwave - I'm with slummy in refusing to wash an egg pan! Just home from my first hula hoop lesson!! Lots of fun. Dinner was some chicken fried up with cabbage, courgette, lardons, olives, feta and mixed in a bit of pesto. Looked hideous, tasted good...

timidviper Wed 13-Mar-13 22:15:21

BIWI I thought hungry was a permanent state for most children no matter how much they ate. If I had a pound (or even a penny) for every time mine had said "I'm hungry"...

Well my reverse whoosh seems to show I have put on 4lb since Friday despite being quite good but I suspect my body is up to something and I just don't know what yet. I'm asthmatic and my peak flows are dropping (often means you are in the process of going down with something) so have increased my inhalers and wonder if the weight gain is all part of the same thing. Will wait and see.

Ilovemyteddy Wed 13-Mar-13 22:27:31

Yama we were in Helsinki for just one day in September. It's absolutely beautiful with stunning architecture. Very easy to walk around and excellent shops. I'm envy

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 13-Mar-13 23:00:01

re the headlines last week re death from processed meat I am pleased to announce that Ms Harcombe has dissected the report and the results are here www.zoeharcombe.com/blog/

ewan that was a lovely interjection in the GP debate over on the other thread, I am doing similar with my dc. I am not in charge of their meals - dp is stay at home but am trying to educate him a bit and pasta is occasional rather than daily. We are making progress.

yama how lovely, I have always wanted to visit Finland. It's lovely to have something to look forward to.

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 13-Mar-13 23:04:58

oo I have some shirataki noodles - we do not like them, am I doing something wrong ie drain and wash for 2 mins then add to whatever sauce and eat. They are a bit like polystyrene

Bessie123 Thu 14-Mar-13 00:22:52

marybeardfc I rinse the noodles for a long time then cook them on a fairly low heat in coconut oil for ages. They are a bit less like eating elastic bands that way.

Lavenderhoney Thu 14-Mar-13 02:50:05

Morning everyone, black, hope you are feeling better. My ds has been Awake all night with a very high temperature and a pain in his mouth. His teeth are lovely and I can't see an ulcers etc. he won't be going to school today which upsets him as he loves it. He is crying about this.

Dd is ok but she has her head on me as I type and she is very hot. I'm going to run out of medicine aren't I?

I am so tired and been up cuddling ds all night - he couldn't sleep- and dd wakes always so early.

Had a small ferro rocher thing I found in the fridge in the night. Otherwise lc all the way.

B-cheese omelette
L- cucumber and pâté
D- cabbage and steak.

Loads of water.

Iamaslummymummy Thu 14-Mar-13 04:16:35

Morning lavender I've been up since 1 with my nightly coughing season and then my new dog came to eagle me back up with kisses!

<sends cooling air>

B yogurt and cream
L salad - cauliflower, goats cheese, lettuce, vinagrette
D clearing out the fridge before shopping tomorrow - layered bake with braised mince, then aubergine, then ratatouille, then aubergine then halloumi and mozzarella on the top.

Off to waitrose tomorrow <excited regular aldi shopper> grin

JakeBullet Thu 14-Mar-13 06:18:37

Good morning all, after yesterday's disaster at lunch time I am prepared today. Starting a course this morning and have packed yoghurt with vanilla essence added, plus macadamia nuts (about 6g) and a few blueberries.

Lunch is salad with pâté and cheese. Plus have made some Parmesan shortbread in case I feel like snacking but doubt I will.

...and of course lots and lots of water, smile

Yama Thu 14-Mar-13 06:19:11

Morning Lavender - I too have a child upset that she can't go into school today. Dd has been sick on her own bed and then in our bed. Dh was off with ds the other day so it's my turn to stay off. Except I'll have to get ds to nursery as dh is already at work.

ILoveMyTeddy - you are making me more excited. I might spend today looking up hotels.

MaryBeard - yes, it's great to have something to look forward to. I shall report back about what it's like. We'll all still be here in July won't we?

BlackAffronted Thu 14-Mar-13 07:40:07

Im feeling great now Lavender, thanks. Hope your DC didnt keep you up all night sad poor things.

I seem to have kept off my "sickness" weight off desite eating normally now for 2 days. I also seem to have dropped another pound on top! These BABs and leptin reset really seems to be working for me smile

Yesterday -

BAB - protein shake, 2 egg omlette with cheese

l - salad leaves, boiled egg & crispy bacon with sour cream cucumber salad

d - chicken/parmesan/tomato/asparagus roll ups with salad leaves & cucumber salad

2 peppermint & licourice teas, loads of water

BlackAffronted Thu 14-Mar-13 07:40:48

Evil twin. hope you are not getting ill sad

BlackAffronted Thu 14-Mar-13 07:43:36

OMG have you seen what The Sun have done to poor Gwyneth? sad Calling it food abuse, and warning that the council can seize out children if we ban carbs!!

JakeBullet Thu 14-Mar-13 07:45:12

The Sun are just shite tbh....surely nobody takes them seriously. If nothing else I hope it makes a few people find Briffa and realise we have been sold a lie for the last 50 years.

Anyway am not convinced Gwynnie is doing things right if they are all hungry.

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 08:00:44

Morning all!

Sorry to hear about your DD Lavender, and hope she's better soon.

interesting piece here about low fat diets and perhaps the fact that there is a recognition of their harmfulness

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 08:03:48
BlackAffronted Thu 14-Mar-13 08:07:47

By "specific hunger" I thought she meant that you get hungry when it a meal time rather than being snacky. I didnt realise she meantthey were hungry all the time.

black i read it inthe same way - i.e. it's not a desperate blood sugar drop sort of hunger, it's a different sort of hunger. and i didn't interpret it as being all the time either

BlackAffronted Thu 14-Mar-13 08:15:57

Biwiw, am I reading it right, thatthey had to stop teh study because the low-fat group were increasing their risks of disease?

teaandthorazine Thu 14-Mar-13 08:43:36

There are a lot of people with their heads in the sand over on that GP thread! I do think GP can come across as a bit smug and preachy but ffs, what's wrong with trying not to feed your kids processed crap?

Fascinating article about cancer BIWI.

Felt very tired yesterday and wasn't concentrating too well at work. Can't wait for the low-carb energy to kick back in, as I know it does! Slept well, though, after weeks of not doing so; that's a bonus.

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 08:48:27

IN terms of grams of carbs, how many are each of you aiming to keep below?

Yama Thu 14-Mar-13 08:53:51

Hi LittleFrieda - I don't have a number I aim to keep below. I just stick to the Bootcamp rules. Oh, and I drink wine and eat nuts. Also, I have recently reduced my dairy intake as I think too much dairy can be harmful.

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 08:59:48

Yama thanks. S0 you don't know how many carbs you need to keep below to carry on losing weight?

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 09:03:49

It varies from person to person, LittleFrieda, which is why it's difficult to set a daily limit.

Certainly the idea behind Bootcamp is that there isn't any need to weigh/count - as it's supposed to be easy to follow.

That said, Dr Briffa would say that you need to keep to under 100g carbs per day. Being more realistic about weight loss as opposed to maintenance, I would think that you should aim for under 50g carbs per day.

But the key thing is that these carbs should be coming mainly from vegetables and salad as opposed to processed foods.

If you were to follow Atkins, then you start with 20g carbs per day on induction - so presumably a level low enough that anyone would lose weight, then after this you move on to ongoing weight loss (OWL), where you increase your carbs every day by 5g until you read the point where weight loss stops and you start to put weight on. Everyone has a different level of carbs that they can tolerate.

Lavenderhoney Thu 14-Mar-13 09:04:36

Thanks- Yama, I hope your dd feels better. My ds has now developed d&v sad he is mortified - nearly 6. Dd is still ok but she gets everything so waiting... It's so dull for her being in with us-playing hide and seek punctuated by screams of mummy, it's happened again...tonight's going to be a blast, I can just feel itsad

No breakfast as too much going on and didn't really feel like it. Lunch - babsmile

thenightsky Thu 14-Mar-13 09:20:34

Well I'm in a Brighton b&b for 3 days. Just been down for breakfast. It's all carbs. Least of all evils seemed to be croissant with slabs of cold butter and the yoghurt section of a muller fruit corner which tasted suspiciously sweet. Tell me how it is please :-( I my just have to skip breakfast for the next 2 days. I feel horrendously bloated from that one croissant.

teaandthorazine Thu 14-Mar-13 09:22:15

Hi LF. If I'm going for full-on weightloss/'deep' ketosis, then around 20g. But more generally, anything between 50-100g seems to work for me. Don't weigh anything though, it's just a general estimate.

BIWI can attest to the fact that I was never the world's strictest bootcamper grin but I still lost a stone and a half drinking wine and eating yoghurt/80% choc! No wonder I love LC...

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 09:23:13

I had peanuts yesterday. A small handful. Then another. And another. blush

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 09:24:43


<passes veil for LF to draw over yesterday>

EwanHoozami Thu 14-Mar-13 09:25:48

littlemisstan hula hoop class sounds ace. I tried hula-ing once, DH told me I looked like I was trying to throw coins out of my pocket. I need to find something to help my withered and separated abs..

I'm still laughing at the thought of eating a show-leek grin

B: Lidl yog and a handful of the baby's blueberries (semi-squished)
L: Mexican scrambled eggs
D: Hot and sour beef salad (although it feels too cold for a salad)

I'm due on and v grumpy. I've had to ask DH to hide the peanut butter already.

EwanHoozami Thu 14-Mar-13 09:29:03

I've missed this whole BAB phenomenon - what is it?

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 09:35:34

Big Ass Breakfast, Ewan. Some people have only just discovered the joys ... wink

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 09:35:48

Thanks all. I know everyone is different, I was just looking for a range. I finished my fortnight of bootcamp on Mon and I'm wondering whether to up the carbs a bit or just to carry on below 20g.

prettybird Thu 14-Mar-13 10:38:49

Did anyone see Dr Lustig on this monring's BBC Breakfast TV, talking about the dangers of sugar?

Doshusallie Thu 14-Mar-13 10:48:51

made me laugh too Ewan. grin Image of me dragging it in from the garden and wreslting it into a pan. I weighed my leeks, 200g each. So 6g I guess..

Breaking news - I have introduced blueberries to my greek yog of a morning. Will weigh tomorrow and see if it has made a difference.

when I did Atkins some years back, I lost weight on 40g a day. More than 60g, then I gained. But I have PCOS which makes me more sensitive to carbs anyway.

I suppose the only way to work it out, is to do the Atkins "adding 5g at a time and see what happens" thing.

Have been having a few wobbles this week, but am keeping up with the water (2 and a half 750ml bottles so far today) and a fab late BAB of 2 sausages, 2 poached eggs, and 2 rashers bacon (which needed to be used up), so I won't need to eat till this evening.

Tomorrow is a dinner out though, so will have to do the best I can (it's a set menu formal thing, so no wriggle room, but will have a late lunch and just pick at the meal).

Yama Thu 14-Mar-13 10:58:24

No PrettyBird but I heard him on Radio 4 the other day. The interviewer was all incredulous, saying things like "Are you saying fat is good?" shock

He was great and remained calm. I didn't get to hear all of it due to the kids but the general gist was that sugar is evil.

it's here from about 26 minutes in

i don't think carolyn quinn was too combative in her interviewing actually, just asking the questions that those who don't subscribe to low-carb eating always have

i think he could have been stronger about advocating fat, actually! but it was good that he was saying 'eat real food', as i find that people who don't agree with low-carbing think you're eating lots of processed meat, eggs and cream and nothing else, and it's much much more than that!

i've added the yudkin and lustig books to the resources page too (I've just ordered them both from the library!)

here is an editorial by Robert Lustig which briefly discusses leptin resistance (not sure whether it is freely available as I get access through work)

LavenderBriggs Thu 14-Mar-13 12:00:52

Whoosh fairy has been to my house. I seem to be 9 stone 2. I feel so slim and so bloody healthy. I'm doing this on around 50-odd grams of carbs a day, but I have noticed that my appetite is completely under control, so I'm not snacking or eating huge meals. I also panic if I'm down to my last head of cabbage - the fridge is groaning under the weight of green leafy veg.

Just had to go to GP and he asked the nurse to take a blood sample. The nurse told me that I looked fantastic and slim and how was I doing it? We had a lovely long natter about low carb diets - I even managed to get some points in about diabetes.

Thanks for highlighting Dr Lustig interview. It really is being spoken about more and more.

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 12:56:35

Can you send her on down to SW London, Lavender? grin

LittleFrieda - if you've done your two weeks of Bootcamp it's entirely up to you what you do next. Some people like the extra strictness of Bootcamp weirdos whereas others can't wait to re-introduce a bit of fruit, some nuts and alcohol! Just go easy - it's very easy to massively ramp up the carbs if you're not careful ...

It was ace Ewan - so much so that I have signed up for a 6 week course and will be ordering my own special hoop smile I'm lunching on a big salad with random bits of what was left in my fridge - black olives, some ham and a bit of feta. Dinner will be pork chops with cauli puree and braised red cabbage.

Sending good vibes to everyone with poorly DCs.

teaandthorazine Thu 14-Mar-13 13:29:38

Breakfast - weeny pot full fat Greek yog with a few blueberries

Lunch - Greek salad with extra olives and a couple of slices of Serrano ham

Dinner will be Something With Mince. Maybe moussaka to continue the Greek theme?

Have had plenty o' water and two large mugs of peppermint tea. Am on a mission to buy the liquorice stuff this weekend.

Feel good.

teaandthorazine Thu 14-Mar-13 13:32:27

Oh, and I have had a few plain Brazil nuts, for the selenium grin

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 13:48:16

I haven't had any alcohol since new year's day lunchtime.

Doshusallie Thu 14-Mar-13 14:29:56

I am not feeling my recent mid afternoon energy slump - I think it's because I have upped my water. yay!

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 15:12:15

Respect, LF!

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 15:16:24

BIWI - I turn 50 this year and I'm determined not to be fat and fifty. I kept falling off this diet because of hangovers and social events which is just a bonkers way to carry on.

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 15:39:22

I know exactly what you mean - it's been my downfall since Christmas.

How is the weight loss going for you?

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 16:01:28

An interesting piece here about the benefits of coconut oil

LavenderBriggs Thu 14-Mar-13 16:09:42

Interesting article BIWI I overheard DH on the phone to one of his business contacts - DH was explaining the need for business contact to throw away vegetable oil and just use butter and coconut oil, so I think he has bought in to LCHF grin

JakeBullet Thu 14-Mar-13 16:21:57

Terrible day....long story but all related to childhood (abuse) ...felt sick, panicky .....

Ate (binged) on crisps....it didnt help...I knew it wouldn't. Ate fish n chips

now feel sick and yucky

See my counsellor tomorrow so will attempt to unravel it all a bit.

I am drinking loads of water now and just feel drained sad .

At the very least I am experiencing the differences from low carb eating.

Haven't binged for over two weeks and yhat is a massive record. Feeling tearful for having done so but will get over it and just Boot Camp for a few days.

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 16:28:39

BIWI - well I've only been back on it for 2.5 weeks. I had social events to attend hmm in Jan and Feb but now I've become strict. For example, I'm going to the theatre and a meal on Saturday with friends and I insisted upon choosing the restaurant so I don't en up eating home-made ravioli starter and risotto for main course. I expect I'll have no friends soon. grin

It's going well this time. I'd like to lose 2 stone by my birthday in November. I think that should be possible.

LittleFrieda Thu 14-Mar-13 16:29:54

JakeBullet - very sorry you're having a horrid time. Take care.

teaandthorazine Thu 14-Mar-13 17:26:00

Jake - take care of yourself and don't think twice about the food!

Jake you poor thing, be kind to yourself and take care

LavenderBriggs Thu 14-Mar-13 17:50:58

Oh, Jake, sorry to hear that. Please don't be too hard on yourself. Try and breath through the panic. I kind of surf on top of anxiety (dealing with anxiety attacks is my extreme sport), it can stop you from feeling too out of control. You've done so well so far, and you're going to carry on doing well thanks

prettybird Thu 14-Mar-13 17:53:31

Be kind to yourself JakeBullet smile

Why not do what someone slese suggested in a previous thread: treat yoursalf to a reeeeaaally good HFLC treat (think steak with a garlic cheese and or cream sauce served with buttery mushrooms personally, ugh but that's just me and some lovely neep/swede parmesan chips). You deserve it!

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 17:58:34

Oh Jake flowers I'm sorry to hear that. I agree with the others. Don't beat yourself up about it.

JakeBullet Thu 14-Mar-13 18:03:30

Thank you all......feeling better this evening, have drunk loads of water.

Sirloin steak is a good HFLC treat so might make sure it's in the house in future.

My counsellor is very good too and am sure she will help me make sense of things. Best of all is that I haven't binged for two weeks before today and I cannot begin to tell you how massive that is as progress for me.

I am not going to beat myself up any more over today......just move in and try to find a different way if coping with those panicky feelings.

Jake you're right to remember that positive, and you've done it once, you can do it again, and for longer, so just concentrate on looking after yourself

EwanHoozami Thu 14-Mar-13 18:44:11

Jake two weeks is brilliant, you should be really proud. Be kind to yourself for a bit.

BIWI that's a good piece on coconut oil. I got all gung-ho and bought two big jars in the H&B sale and tried it in herb tea and couldn't get on with it. I'm going to use it to cook with now instead. Not sure about the 'oil pulling' mentioned in the comments.. confused

On the low carb thread I'm on on another forum there are people who do oil pulling. I admit I don't really understand it and it sounds an awful lot of effort, but they are very happy with their results!

teaandthorazine Thu 14-Mar-13 19:07:07

Dp came home with a box of teapigs liquorice and mint - OMG! He says it's too sweet though so I don't have to share, result grin

Bessie123 Thu 14-Mar-13 20:41:48

jake I know what set you off, it did the same for me too. I hope you are ok.

BIWI help. I can't stop eating, although I am not tempted by carbs. I feel tired and very hormonal, I am really irritable and short tempered. Although I wouldn't say I have the sweetest, most patient nature in the world, this is definitely out of character. Help me stop eating everything in sight.

Yama Thu 14-Mar-13 20:48:36

Evening everyone.

After not being sick since about 12pm, dd has just been sick on the stairs. I really feel for her. She begged and pleaded all evening to go back to school tomorrow saying she was recovered.

I just hope ds doesn't catch it. He's not a good patient.

Lavender - how is your ds fairing?

Doshusallie Thu 14-Mar-13 21:11:09

Ds2 been off school today too (6). He is desperate to go to school tomorrow - Red Nose Day, mufti, cake sale, and school trip!! He is fast asleep, not eaten much all day, and still feels quite hot....we will see.

All my carbs are coming from veg. Mfp has 6 sprouts at 9 carbs!!!! 100g of broccoli at 7 carbs!

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 21:13:34

Bessie - try drinking a large glass of water. Go and have a lovely hot bath with a good book, and then have an early night.

timidviper Thu 14-Mar-13 21:15:07

I have been feeling a bit under par, tummy a bit sensitive (almost as though I'm over-hungry), some stomach ache and being permanently hungry. I have realised that the only thing I have changed is that I have had 2tsp of Benefibre each morning. I thought that a bit of extra fibre couldn't hurt but maybe it can. I will stop it and see what happens.

I've also had my reverse whoosh and gone up about 3lbs despite being good. I wonder if extra fibre could really be to blame?

NoelHeadbands Thu 14-Mar-13 21:41:24

Evening all.

((Hugs)) and manly punches on shoulder to those having bad days.

Dosh I'm seriously starting to worry about your giganto-veg grin

Been very good this evening, went to local restaurant and had lamb rump with broccoli and spinach, and a cheeseboard without the fruit and biscuits. Two glasses of water and a double espresso to finish

<polishes halo>

MaryBeardfanclub Thu 14-Mar-13 22:02:17

had lovely post swim snack tonight - tin tuna + mayo + spring onion on romaine leaves

my work skirt I wear once a week felt tight today, will weigh tomorrow, best nip any increase in the bud. have been going ott with cream of late

jake well done for not letting today totally derail you, you have done so well to date

sorry to hear of poorly dcs, hope the night is not too disrupted - since being lc, have you noticed an improved ability to deal with less sleep? I have found it so - ds2 wakes 3-5 times a night and I am able to work all day and not feel tired even in the afternoon.

bessie thanks for the tip on frying shirataki noodles, might try that this weekend

Doshusallie Thu 14-Mar-13 22:05:17

I know Noel!! I seem to be finding freakishly large mutant vegetables!!!! grin

Tortington Thu 14-Mar-13 22:28:59

hello everyone, here so i can get some advice from people who know LCing.

I have been LCing for three years very successfully, i put on a stone just after xmas, i was very ill and therefore did not LC for weeks.

I am now losing the will to live, i swear to god, i've been back on plan for 3 weeks and lost 8lb - that sounds great, but as you all know - when LCing its not actually amazing - i lost 5 lbs the first week and naff all since. particularly upsetting is that for the past two weeks ive been killing myself at the gym too, and ive I am very rigid in what i do, i keep to 20 carbs a day.

whats going on? DH follows the plan and he is insisting that i am eating too many veg - im not at 20 carbs per day i dont think - and i can't contemplate lowering this as ...believe it or not i am not the greatest meat lover ha ha!

this has dramatically changed my life - ive lost nearly 4st in total - then put one back on - i love LCing, but i'm losing faith - i am on the edge of trying out calorie counting i swear to god.

what am i doing wrong?

todays food

i dont do breakfast - ever - i know your metabolism starts working yadda yadda , but if i ate in the mornings i would vomit. i hate it.

breakfast = coffee
lunch = tuna salad - small can - no mayo or anything, added to simple leaves
dinner= what i call 'no spag bol' this is a lower carb variation than i usually make
mince, 1 bell pepper green. 1 leek, 1 tin tomatos, chili powder, garlic powder.

cooked it - halved it and froze one half.
I drink loads of water too

any advice ? <weeps>

prettybird Thu 14-Mar-13 22:36:38

Even though I am a "new" LCer lost one pound short of 2 stone since 7 January smile I would suggest that there is not enough fat in your diet.

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 22:42:22

Custy - I would say not enough fat too

Am off to bed but will have a proper read/think in the morning

timidviper Thu 14-Mar-13 22:50:26

Yes another vote for not enough fat.
Also remember that muscle weighs more than fat and serious exercise causes micro tears in the muscles which lead to inflammation and fluid retention so you often lose less weight when exercising hard.

I have my own unproven theories too:
1) It is a bad time of year to lose weight. I might be wrong but it seems to me as though this bootcamp has been harder work for everybody than previous ones
2) It is harder to lose weight second time around. I have given up on both WW and SW in the past when have done well pre-Xmas then struggled to lose Xmas weight. I am only just getting back to my pre-Xmas weight and I know quite a few others struggling to get there too

timidviper Thu 14-Mar-13 22:51:41

Btw Custy Keep the faith! You were one of the people who inspired me to try low carb and I am now almost 2.5 stone lighter smile

Ruprekt Thu 14-Mar-13 23:13:02

Custy i agree with timid. I read your blog years ago and was really impressed but too scared to try low carb as it went against WW in every way possible.

Could you skip breakfast but then have a Big Ass Breakfast at 12 pm instead?

Mushrooms cooked in butter celeriac chips, bacon, 2 eggs?

You are definitely not eating enough.

Am glad you joined the thread. smilesmile

Lavenderhoney Fri 15-Mar-13 04:42:20

Another more terrifying night with ds who had such a high temp he was delirious. Twice. He went to bed low temp, kept down dry toast. 30 mins later all hell let loose. Waited for dh to come home, to watch dd who thankfully slept through the drama- he works double shifts, ( ate 2 chocolates) and in the dead of night rushed to a doctor. Strep throat. I thought he had meningitissad

Anyone who has sick dc, I feel for you. And anyone with troublessad

The big thing I notice with this woe is I don't want a glass of wine after the dc are in bed. I think about it, as its a long habitsmile but I don't as I just don't want it!

Bab for lunch is really better for me too, I struggle with breakfast - but I have a cafe creme instead for breakfast and early lunch now.

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 06:21:08

Oh Lavender that sounds terrifying. I hope your DS gets better soon. I can remember way way back when my brother was a child with whooping cough and him seeing things due to his high temperature. It's so so scary when they are that unwell.

Thank you thanks to you all for your kind words yesterday..yes Bessie you were right about the specifics. Today is a whole new day and I am having coffee with cream for breakfast and an early BAB/lunch. I am also seeing my counsellor today and I will pick yesterday apart with her.

I am strong, I have survived and I go on with this WOE and won't look back at yesterday anymore.

Golly lavender how scary, hope both you and ds are ok

thekitchenfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 07:13:05

<rushes in to post on thread and ask for help>

I can't get into the spreadsheet.. Could someone add me as 138 please? 1 off and6lbs in all, but delighted for all the inches I have lost and generally feeling less head- foggy.

Ladies real life has taken over this week... Forgive long thread but am panicking rather.. Don't know whether to laugh or cry... As a struggling to find work freelancer I went after a short term local contract... They offered me the job on tues... Bt it's full time and its a 12 month contract... But holy cow i start next week <panic emoticon>

V pleased with myself that despite falling into wine every night while DH and I hash out practicalities... There have been no other carborific crutches... Never mind how the family will cope... Eek... My first thought was How do I lo carb in an office? Much help needed for easy packed lunch and breakfast ideas...not to mention how to cope with big change without Big Gin Reward which will throw me off trackgrin

Phew!! Gotta run and find the circus themed clothes for school I totally forgot to do last night.. Looking forward to baking some of that shortbread and catching up on this thread... I will be back later...

And I won't be going away! Love this thread, this woe, looking forward to much good LC chat in the coming weeks grin

thekitchenfairy Fri 15-Mar-13 07:16:01

Oh Lavender how awful... Been there too many times with my DS1... Always seems more hideous in the night and strep throat can give such a terrifying sounding cough...

Wishing you a quiet day of cuddles today, be gentle on yourself after such a rough night, have some brew and some thanks

halfthesize Fri 15-Mar-13 07:16:11

good morningbrew
thekitchenfairy congratulations on the new job thanks

halfthesize Fri 15-Mar-13 07:17:36

Lavender hope you have a better day and ds gets better soon x

BlackAffronted Fri 15-Mar-13 07:38:35

Custy, Id agree with not enough fat. Also, in just 3 weeks you have lost more than half of your stone? Sounds perfectly fine to me! Especially as this isnt your first LC attempt. Could you do a BAS (big ass salad/soup/stew) at lunchtime? With lots of fat added (mayo, oil dressing etc). Fry everything in butter or coconut oil.

LH, how scary sad hope your DS makes a full recovery quickly thanks

TKF - good luck with the new job! Is it doing something you love? Im panicking about college this summer, so no idea how panicky you must be feeling right now! Im sure there will be lots of LC food you can eat in the office smile

Just had my BAB. Definitely noticing the rise in my sex drive, as the leptin reset protocol suggests would happen blush

BlackAffronted Fri 15-Mar-13 07:42:13

Also, I read that coconut oil does not affect insulin levels - a spoonful is perfect between meals if you are hungry. It is used by the liver straight away as energy.


biggest loser of the week: carbalanche
biggest loser so far: Dangerousmouse
biggest %age loser so far: Prettybird

bravo all!

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 07:47:23

Well done all of you xx

thanks and wine as prizes grin . The wine is of course a special low carb variety.wink

Yama Fri 15-Mar-13 08:05:08

Lavender - hope your ds feels much better today.

TheKitchenFairy - I work in an office type environment. Everyday I take in a salad. Well, it has spinach leaves, cucumber, extra virgin olive oil, mayo and either roasted chicken thigh/leg, cheese, ham, pate etc.

I also take in a little tub with Lidl yoghurt and milled flaxseed. Sometimes, if I anticipate a long day, I take in a Lidl pepperami.

Oh, Aldi do 500ml bottles of water. I take one in with me as I find the water cooler water too cold. I need to let it warm up. I know that at work I need to drink the 500ml bottle and 4 cups of water. I have a pint in the morning and a pint in the evening. I actually have morning but this way I know I'm getting the minimum 2.5 litres.

Custy - I found cutting down dairy helped when I stagnated. I have replaced the fat with coconut oil and duck/goose fat. So, in my scrambled eggs in the morning I put a big dollop in.

I have only lost 7-8 lbs in total but at 9st10 and 5ft6, every pound is a big deal.

timidviper Fri 15-Mar-13 08:05:36

..... and don't eat the flowers!

timidviper Fri 15-Mar-13 08:11:09

Dammit! My last post was to follow on Jake's with the low carb wine but Yama beat me to the post button! There's a failed attempt at humour to start the day! <stands back to let tumbleweed blow past>

Well I posted yesterday about me adding Benefibre to my morning tea and the subsequent "off" tummy and weight gain. Yesterday I left the fibre out and woke this morning feeling that my tummy had gone down a bit and, woohoo, so has my gained few lbs. Obviously too soon to tell if it is cause and effect or coincidence but interesting (and a relief!)

captainmummy Fri 15-Mar-13 08:25:26

Kitchenfairy - don't panic about office lunches! Pack a chicken caesar salad (no cruotons), or ham salad, or chicken peices, or eggs (maybe a bit smelly) and take a bottle of mayo. Or a flask of soup. Or make some of the cream-cheese pancakes and use as wraps. Or cold sausages with lettece wraps. Olives. Cheese chunks.

Good luck with the new job.

Yama Fri 15-Mar-13 08:37:13

Sorry Timidviper.

Actually, I need to ask you guys a question. I made a lovely beef stew yesterday, split it in two and popped them into oven for a few hours low heat. We ate one and I meant to put the other in the fridge. However, I have just found it still in the oven.

Is it still edible? Our kitchen is cold. <hopeful>

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 08:43:32

I'd say it will be fine Yama....just cook it well.

Yama Fri 15-Mar-13 08:49:53

Thanks Jake. Think what I'll do is have a couple of spoonfuls with my lunch and if I'm okay then we're go to go for dinner.

BIWI Fri 15-Mar-13 08:55:00


breakfast = coffee

If you're ketogenically-adapted, which you must be after all this time, then missing breakfast isn't too much of an issue. In fact, you could say that you are 'on trend' because you are now intermittent fasting!

lunch = tuna salad - small can - no mayo or anything, added to simple leaves

This isn't enough food, and there is no fat - which is a real problem. Low fat/low carb doesn't work. You should have had a large can of tuna, and you should have mixed it with mayo. Did you have a dressing on your salad? If not, then also, not enough fat. You are essentially just eating protein, which will also cause your body to produce insulin/lay down fat - albeit much less than eating carbs would have done.

dinner= what i call 'no spag bol' this is a lower carb variation than i usually make
mince, 1 bell pepper green. 1 leek, 1 tin tomatos, chili powder, garlic powder.

Nothing wrong with this, but again doesn't sound like there was much fat. It's very hard to buy anything other than lean mince these days - and you don't say whether or not you fried in oil/fat to start with.

I fail to see why your DH is saying you are eating too much veg! In fact, it looks like you're not eating enough of anything. And if you've been exercising madly, then you will also be increasing muscle, which weighs more than fat

So I would say:

- don't worry about breakfast
- but eat more at lunch/dinner
- really up the fat
- make sure you're drinking the water

But above all - stop stressing about it. You know what to do and you are committed to LCing - you have plenty of strategies to keep you LCing that you have developed over the years.

And whatever you do, don't go down the low calorie route!

thekitchenfairy bar the lure of the office biscuit tin, I've found LCing at work pretty easy, just need to be organised! Breakfast is usually either some greek yogurt that I've decanted into a small pot to bring in with me, sometimes with a few blueberries, or I make scrambled eggs in the microwave. Ham and cheese slices easy too. Then lunch either a big lunchbox of salad with various bits - salami, olives, feta, smoked salmon, tuna, chicken, home made coleslaw - and I bring an oily dressing in a little jar that I add before I eat it, or home made soup which I can heat in the microwave. Babybel, pepperami, small bags of pork scratchings all good desk snacks! It needs a little bit of planning the night before, but is easy to do - much easier than finding lunch or breakfast out I think. And (which I should have said first I'm sure) CONGRATULATIONS on the new job!

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 09:12:33

Just had a lamb leg steak for breakfast....yummy it was smile

i love doing that sort of thing jake, it makes me feel like a (rather tame) rebel! moussaka for breakfast anyone??

i usually have tuna mayo or chicken mayo with salad at work, or leftovers from the night before. i avoid bringing in snacks because then i just tend to eat them! if i get hungry before standard lunch time (and that does happen because i leave for work at 6am so often eat breakfast at 5.45, which means i can easily be hungry naturally at 11am), i just get on and eat lunch early and then don't have anything until supper at home

i have a 1.5L plastic jug which i fill up when i get to work and i drink that in the morning and another jugfull in the afternoon, so i know i'm getting at least 3L in as i'll usually have a pint or so in the evening and possibly another pint in the morning before i leave for work (not always enough time)

i actually find it harder getting all my water in when i work from home, because i'm out of routine

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 09:33:46

I must admit to giving up on water the other day after about 600 trips to the loo......just coukdnt keep up with it grin . Been easier since.

DD2 needs to drink lots of water and eat lots of salt for a medical condition - she was told by her consultant that the salt helps with not having to rush to the loo every two minutes, helps the body use the fluid efficiently or something. I know salt is on the list of stuff we need to not be cutting out on this WOE, so that presumably is another reason why.

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 10:07:48

smile I needed more salt with it all then grin

BlackAffronted Fri 15-Mar-13 11:04:46

Making courgette & prawn pan thingy for lunch today, with a sour cream & dill sauce. Its based on this recipe but when I tried it before, the balls just fell apart so now I just fry like a tortilla.

prettybird Fri 15-Mar-13 11:56:31

Yaaaay at the biggest percentage loss this week smile

I have been sooooo good for so longand I'm only one pound short of losing 2 stone since 7 March shock and 4lb short of my unrealistic at the time target of breaking through the 11 stone barrier by my 52nd birthday on 6 April smile

Except I have just succumbed and eaten two large homemade chocolate chip cookies blush

timidviper Fri 15-Mar-13 11:59:54

That sounds lovely Black, I used to make prawn and sweetcorn fritters in my pre-lc days and they sound like a nice alternative. I made the IPD prawn bhajias and they fell apart in the oil, it was a vile greasy sludge.

BlackAffronted Fri 15-Mar-13 12:04:59

prettybird, its my DS birthday on 6th APril 100 smile but he will only be 5 grin Well done on such an amazing loss!

Timid, id had a look at those prawn bhajias, glad I didnt waste my nice prawns trying those out!

lol prettybird - it does rather seem to be the curse of the biggest losers that they have a bit of a wagon-topple later in the week! it's happened a few times

BlackAffronted Fri 15-Mar-13 13:09:43

Mmm that courgette & prawn thing was delicious!

teaandthorazine Fri 15-Mar-13 13:59:53

Feel like I'm back on the right track finally after many weeks of eating processed, sugary crap - phew!

Dinner last night was a very delicious spag bol without the spag - dp excelled himself! I think there was a fair amount of wine in it but it was yummy. I even declined the amazing-looking garlic bread he'd bought to go with it.

The bugger then decided to eat a cornetto and a bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes... his diet is a shocker.

I have unintentionally fasted today - have only just had first meal of the day (chicken, ham and olives, with a small lump of cheese) since finishing dinner last night. Feel really good, actually. Am on second bottle of water and also downing a peppermint tea.

So what's the plan for next week - just an ongoing chat thread? I can't stop now I've started!

BIWI Fri 15-Mar-13 14:33:52

Oh yes - I will start a new thread, and we will just continue to chat on that one.

Also, for those of you worried about constipation, Dr Briffa (my hero [swoons]) has published two blogs recently about possible causes. timidviper's post reminded me about one of them, which is fibre. Again, this runs counter to everything we have been taught! The other one is dairy.

Have a read of this

If anyone is suffering, then Ubercamp is definitely worth considering, as it's 3 days' worth of low carb and dairy-free meals.

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 14:44:58

Been low carbing all day after yesterday's disaster. Picked it all apart with my counsellor this morning. ....feel much better about thibgs.

Sirloin steak tonight with loads of yummy veggies and a small glass of red wine.

BIWI Fri 15-Mar-13 14:53:18

Glad to hear you sounding so much happier, Jake thanks

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 15:51:50

The dairy thing doesn't surprise me in the least BIWI,, as a HV I was rather unflattering,y referred to as "the poo nurse" by my colleagues because I am interested n children's constipation, I have seen research before about large quantities of milk in the diet causing constipation and it's amazing the number if parents whose children have become little milk guzzlers grin with resultant constipation.

JakeBullet Fri 15-Mar-13 16:01:32

Some good stuff here about Coconut Oil.

timidviper Fri 15-Mar-13 16:03:18

Jake When DS was little he had a spell of being constantly ill, he caught one thing after another, was constantly on antibiotics and had such dark circles he looked like a little panda. The consultant he was sent to told me he felt like a victorian because he banged on all the time aboutconstipation being the root of all evils!

Well I have just had my excitement for the day and made a 999 call! I live on a busy road and was just turning out to drive to the town centre when I was passed by a horse! No saddle, bridle, etc and nobody with it, just trotting along an A road all on its own. Apparently the police had had several calls so I'm assuming the police will have found it and returned it home safely. Then came home to find a very unkempt man shouting and twirling around in the road right by the end of my drive. By the time I had parked the car and weighed up if it might be safe to approach him, he had run away

captainmummy Fri 15-Mar-13 17:36:53

Busy day, Viper? Were the runaway horse and the whirling dervish connected in some way?grin

BlackAffronted Fri 15-Mar-13 18:56:45

What an afternoon Timid!

Jake, glad you are working things out & feeling calmer. Enjoy some lovely LC food smile

Just added some more photos to the food thread, its going a bit quiet sad
photos here

Had chinese beef & veg for dinner. The oyster sauce was 20 carbs per 100ml, I used 100ml between 5 of of us, so hoping I didnt do too badly. It was delicious and well worth the 4g carbs!

timidviper Fri 15-Mar-13 20:09:00

I used a drizzle of Kecap Manis (sweet soy sauce) on something the other day Black, same reasoning as you that for the few carbs involved it was worth it!

Our tea was quite boring tonight as DH was going out and I couldn't really be bothered so we had leftover celeriac dauphinoise with chicken thighs and veg from the slow cooker

Evening all,

Glad you are having a better day jake, sorry things have been so difficult.

Congrats to the top losers!

Lavender how is DS? It sounds like a very frightening night. We nearly went to A&E last night with DD, she just would NOT stop screaming and we were starting to panic as its so out of character. 4 hours of screaming (from 7pm-11pm) in appalling distress (with intermittent bouts of feeding which were the only non screaming bits) and slapping her own ears/jaw and she finally went to sleep for an hour, which did seem to mark an improvement. But it was a farking awful night. Up and down every hour or so for another 20min + session of screaming misery sad Poor little love is absolutely exhausted. We dosed her as best we could with calpol at various points but she ended up wearing most of it. Pretty much 100% certain now it is a really nasty bout of teething, but we have never had it this bad. Still, after 2 days of almost complete food refusal she's eaten some stuff today. I am appalled by how carborific it was... mainly sultanas, baby crisps and oatcakes, but better than nowt, and she rejected all the sensible stuff like cheese, yog, blueberries! Still she ate a little rice, veg sauce and chicken for tea so a tentative whoop...

Today DH and I have definitely felt the need to be fueled by food rather than sleep, but have been almost entirely low carb bar two scotch pancakes (oaty not wheat which I like to think is slightly better... reading Wheat Belly atm) that were too good hot not to eat, but the rest of the batch was for DD.

B Eggs scrambled with spring onions and cheese, bacon. Greek yog with almonds, few seeds, 6 blueberries
S The aforementioned scotch pancakes, liberally buttered!
L Green salad, coleslaw, cheese, parma ham. Greek yog with few almonds
D Chicken breast stuffed with cheddar and butter, wrapped in parma ham, on pesto-y courgette spaghetti with mushrooms, topped with parmesan and a tomato and mozzarella side salad.

I have bought some licquorice tea today, inspired by you lot, looking forward to trying it.

PIL on way to stay for the weekend as its DH's birthday on Sunday. We are getting takeaway curry tomorrow night, so just going to peruse the menu shortly and work out what to have.

Houseguests are a whole new issue when low carbing though aren;t they? I feel a bit rude not having choccy biscuits, ice cream, etc in the house but we can't or we would finish the packets after guests have annoyingly opened them only to eat 2 biscuits.... And fretting about whether they will find the meals "incomplete" or be hungry, or suffer carb withdrawal in my house grin!

Ack, sorry for essay like post!

Yama Fri 15-Mar-13 20:58:52

Splittheteaagain - I know what you mean about having guests.

Also, guests + alcohol = total disaster.

What we have been doing is making a low carb meaty stew and serving with cauliflower rice or roast chicken with braised cabbage and salad. You could serve small potatoes for guests if you like. My parents love the notion of low carbing so they just eat what we eat.

We tend to have chocolate in the house from unwanted gifts so that can be used with guests.

Made a sort of pad Thai with the no carb noodles tonight - pretty good though think I overdid the nam pla... Served with pork marinated with soy, garlic and chilli.

Am going to have the chicken tikka (comes with a salad) and also a vegetable side dish I think. And be strong regarding the naans etc well I might have a bite of DH's but that is all

You see Yama I don't feel very comfortable yet serving guests the "fakes" like cauli rice, courgette pasta etc. Though swede/celeriac/turnip is fine as they are frankly more interesting than spuds.

My parents are fledgling low carbers and keep phoningfor advice grin
But the best bit is, my dad (type 2 diabetic) says that since reducing his carbs his eyesight has improved all the way back to "as good as when I was a nipper". He is thrilled, as am I.

Menu for PIL this weekend:
B Posh looking smoked trout, scrambled eggs. Can also offer greek yog, blueberries, cereal, croissants from freezer
L Chachouka with chipolatas, green salad
D Takeaway curry - they can get their fix of naans and rice and cobra here!

B Fry up of bacon, eggs, mushrooms. Can also do beans, fried toms if wished or the yog/cereal/croissants as before
L Cheeses, ham, green salad, tom & mozzarella salad, coleslaw
D Fish pie topped with sliced turnips, broccoli, sprouts.

Hope they like it!

Yama Fri 15-Mar-13 21:36:26

Split - they will love it! Lots of lovely food on offer.

Your Dad's eyesight improvement is so encouraging. My Dad texts quite a lot asking how I do x or y. Nice to be able to offer advice to the people who brought us up. smile I look forward to the day when I'm phoning my dc asking for advice. It will mean I've brought them up properly.

<waves frantically from midst of bulging to do list and fortieth celebrations>

Sorry have not posted at all this week, or updated the spreadsheet / please don't delete me Willie! Put a couple of pounds on in Paris but have been good since and lost it all again and more. Two pounds down from two weeks ago - yay! But yet more parties this weekend for my birthday (big family do) so might put today's weight down as Mondays and then get back to über camp next week. I love a good über camp!

Sorry Jake and Lavender that you've been having a hard time.

Welcome back custy! Was on a low carb thread with you a couple of years ago (under a different name) and you were always v inspirational and your stick was even bigger than BIWIs - yay that you are joining again! Looking forward to having you on the thread (if I ever get the time to get on it myself - got the temp job, hence why all so frantic).

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 15-Mar-13 23:19:38

spiltthetea we had a similar teething episode a few weeks ago, it was so frightening, my poor ds2 was in torment and had a large swelling on the side of his neck and swollen gums. I'm not surprised you nearly went to A&E, they are in such pain - I dont remember ds1 suffering like that.
your menus look lovely, what is chachouka?

kitchenfairy i work in an office and the main thing is to be prepared - esp if there are no supermarkets near work; there really is nothing LC in corner shops unless you like gnawing on polish sausage. I make sure I have something in case of hunger - nuts/cheese slices/ham/total yog/double cream for coffee. I batch cook at weekends and put portions in microwavable containers, during winter things like LC shepherd pie/moussaka/meat loaf with veg and in summer salads featuring avocado, fried chicken, mayo etc. The main thing for me is my food not looking too weird - we have a communal eating area. A good staple I mentioned before for unobtrusive munching whilst working is chicken strips dipped in egg/parmesan and fried. I eat that on the train on the way in.

I have put on 1.5 lb in the last couple of weeks so now 4.5 lbs above original target - action required. Could be due to eating potato rosti & apple pie with ice cream on Sunday at mum's plus eating lashings of double cream at every opportunity lately. Decided to cut down dairy and see (have really cut down on nuts now I'm not snacking all day cos of the BAB so I think these were not having an effect).

I tried eating a tsp of coconut oil today - felt a bit sick for about an hour. Is that normal?

B: BAB 2 hb eggs with butter; 3 rashers streaky bacon; 1 almond flour pancake, half slice ham
L: tuna mayo in romaine leaves
S: 3 slices emmental (lunch was a bit light); 4 tsp peanut butter
D: seared tuna steaks with wasabi butter sauce; chinese style cauli rice with egg and prawns; broccoli stirfried with chili

the sauce I made tonight for the tuna steaks was out of this world divine - heat 2 oz butter, 1.5 tb soy sauce, 1tb wasabi paste, whisk and pour on fish..omg

Lavenderhoney Sat 16-Mar-13 03:06:48

Spilttheteaagain, I hope teething has calmed down. DS is slowly getting better. It's his birthday today though, so we have had to cancel everything.

Drank a couple of glasses of wine last night so looking forward to my bab. Ate badly yesterday as dh did all the cooking and seemed determined to sabotage me! Leek and potatoe soup, homemade meatballs with pasta, roast lamb with yorkshires etc etc. he does the best yorkshires ever and it's so hard to say no!

B- cafe creme, baby bel bought as emergency when getting ds presents.
L- meatballs and tomato sauce all homemade
D- left over above.

Too much coffee, too much creme, not enough water, too much wine ( spritzer) best not to let dh find out I put water in the lovely wine he buyssmile

Fully aware my comment about not wanting wine yesterday has just been blown out of the watersmile

MaryBeardfanclub Sat 16-Mar-13 08:15:39

morning - ds2 still asleep, most odd, I have early rising children

lavenderhoney hope you managed to get some rest

it's raining here so i guess it's soft play for us

hope everyone has a good weekend

sybilfaulty Sat 16-Mar-13 08:20:15

Sorry for all those with sick children. It's very draining and sometimes very frightening isn't it? Hope all recover soon.

I have a sick husband which is a. annoying and b. inconvenient as I had 7 6y olds coming for DD2s birthday, plus my own 3! How will I wrangle 10 kids on my own if he takes to his bed? More importantly, what do I eat at Pizza Express? I usually have aubergine parmigiana but see that this has 20g carbs by itself! Oops!

Hope you all have a restful day

Yama Sat 16-Mar-13 08:35:41

FIRSTTIMEPIG - the pancakes were great! We used almond milk instead of soya and some xylitol instead of Splenda (only because we had some left over from ages ago).

Served with bacon and a runny fried egg it certainly was a BAB and a half.

Right, I believe the kids are getting themselves dressed before we head out. Having not moved off the sofa for two days with a sickly dd it will be nice to get out. Going to Culzean Castle. Woodland walk and adventure playground here we come.

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 08:57:38

sybilfaulty - they do a salad at Pizza Express do they not?

spiltthetea - that sounds like an ear infection to me, especially with the ear slapping. DS2 used to suffer really badly from them. I would see a doctor if I were you, as often it leads to the ear drum perforating (not so much of an issue when they're little, btw).

Thanks all, DD is much better. It was me that had the rubbish night sad. Not sure if maybe my coleslaw yesterday was on it's last legs (end of the batch) or just a bug, but have been on the loo all night and camped by the loo fighting back sick. Lovely. Feeling a bit better now, and sipping a cup of tea whilst I contemplate getting up. I don't think I can eat eggs for brekkie though! When ill, I always go for no fat, starch and sugar, i.e dry toast with honey, or a pear or something. Hmmm. I shall see if my tea effects a miracle.

Lavender so glad your DS is on the mend.

And sybil shock to your DH being ill today, that is rubbish!

Mary chachouka is a new discovery of ours - from River Cottage Veg. It's a north african egg dish, bit like huveros ranchos but diff spices. Basically you cook sliced onions with cumin seeds in oil/butter until soft, then add sliced green peppers and garlic and hot smoked paprika and cook gently for another 10 mins. Then add some passata/tin toms and cook down gently until nice and thick. Then make little wells in the mix, and crack an egg into each, put a lid on top and cook until eggs are done (aiming for runny yolks, usualy about 5 mins ish). It's really delicious, kind of like poached eggs with the tastiest ketchup ever. We find that between two of us you can get away with about 1/2 onion, 1/2 pepper and 1/2 tin toms so not too carby. I often make the sauce up the night before and then warm it through and cook the eggs for a weekend breakfast, otherwise it takes forever!

Enjoy your day out Yama sounds lovely.

We did wonder about ear infections BIWI, DH used to have real trouble with those as a child, but doing some middle of the night googling suggested that it's also common behaviour in teething toddlers as the molars cause ear/cheek pain too. Coupled with the not eating and the comfort feeding it felt like teeth, and touch wood she is very much herself again now. Will wait and see.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 09:17:46

Eating BAB of 2 x 97% meat sausages
Fried egg
reheated veggies from last night.


BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 09:27:10

Fingers crossed, spilt!

That egg dish sounds lovely but it also sounds a bit carby. Why not substitute the onions with shallots? They are less than half the carbs.

Well we cook it as a weekend treat, on days when have v low carb dinners planned so it doesn't bump up the whole day too much ( I realise today and the curry is an abberration, but that's due to guests). I still use onions as they are 40p per kilo and round here shallots are £3.60 per kilo and I just can't do it. So I go sparingly on onions in general. DH and I are experimenting with trying to find our carb maintenance level as we are both at target weight so testing the carbier veg in small quantities for effect is part of that really. But that's why I use green peppers, despite the recipe wanting red!

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 09:42:06

At present have lost less than a 1lb this week but have had some non low carb stuff.

I may also have over indulged on the Parmesan shortbread grin .

Still will weigh again on Mondau....no dairy today. Have had a BAB and will see how long I can go before I need to eat again.

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 09:59:22

Morning all!

owow to ear infections - I used to suffer from them a lot when I was little - they are really rotten. Hope everyone's feeling much better soon.

Out for lunch today with xh and ds so who knows? Have just had a cup of liquorice tea and a babybel, but random but will tide me over! Was going to cook pork belly tonight but Tesco have delivered a pathetic little one, will have to do good old celeriac dauphinois as well!

Not feeling hungry, though could go back to bed tbh!

BlackAffronted Sat 16-Mar-13 10:19:06

Jake, if I have a decent BAB, I go about 6 hours until I need lunch! Then another 4ish hours before dinner, then nothing else til my next BAB.

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 10:55:41

Dh has just brought me scram eggs, bacon and mushrooms for breakfast in bed! smile And tea.

This will keep me going for a while!

Prob no lunch today.

Tonight we are having venison with celeriac dauph and swiss chard.

Had seabass with chard for dinner last night.

Everything was on waitrose reductions!!smilesmile Love low carbing.

Jake, I think you're also on week three or so aren't you? Weight loss can slow down a bit then anyway, so 1lb off is pretty good given that and the fact that you've had a bit of off-plan eating. You sound like you know what you should be doing anyway, and pleased to hear that you're feeling a bit more on an even keel too

Sorry to hear about poorly children, it must be scary and exhausting and anyone who can manage to handle that and eat properly at the same time must be pretty much superhuman!

You're bloody brilliant at bargain food shopping ruprekt!

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 11:48:13

Aaaargh, help - I need to be forcibly removed from the Gwyneth thread for my own safety hmm

Ruprekt - thise are excellent shopping skillz!

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 12:42:10

Just over three hours since BAB....not hungry...still pretty stuffed.

Fizzy water in a mo...tempted to add wine as DS has just called me "fucking woman" angry

All because he didn't want to put a big box of Lego in his room. Said Lego is now in a massive bag and hidden away.

There's autism and then there is sheer bad behaviour.....he has been told in no uncertain terms that I will not accept abuse from him and there will be consequences....he has lost the Wii too.

Has since apologised and said he feels ashamed....and so he should. Not accepting that sort of language and abuse from him at all. He is upstairs keeping a low profile at the moment as all the gods of hell descended on him after his outburst.

Hell hath no fury like me....sometimes he is just sheer hard work though.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 12:42:41

tea [grun], it's hard work over there isn't it?

Sorelip Sat 16-Mar-13 13:23:09

I'm sloping back in after giving up in the first week or so. Weight has shot up to nearly 12st from 11st, and I'm struggling to fit into anything other than my pregnancy clothes. I've already had toast and tea with milk today, so from tomorrow I will be veggie low carbing, using the Rose Elliot book.

BlackAffronted Sat 16-Mar-13 13:39:00

Reading that thread, some people are very possesive about their carbs, arent they? grin

Welcome back Sorelip smile

Yama Sat 16-Mar-13 13:50:20

Due to the rain we decided to go to another, more wooded park. Total bonus was that there was a Peter Howson exhibition in the gallery on the grounds. Also, a Bugs, Birds and Beasties exhibition for the kids.

Now that we have been suitably walked and cultured we can avoid veering far from the sofa for the rest of the day.

Jake - a slug of wine in your fizzy water would be entirely justified.

Sorelip - welcome back. You can't go wrong with this woe. I don't really do it for weight loss as I'm at target weight but for all the other benefits - never hungry, no more sore tummies, more energy, clear skin, no bloating.

Yama Sat 16-Mar-13 13:52:46

Oh, and of course the long term health benefits. I now believe that low fat diets are unhealthy. Dh and I have done much reading and more and more we believe that this is what we should be eating.

Sorelip Sat 16-Mar-13 13:59:19

Thank you BlackAffronted and Yama. I have to admit that boredom is the main culprit for my weight gain. I get so bored being at home sometimes. I can't wait for the weather to improve, so we can get out in the sun every day, and DS can run around like a mad thing.

The bad thing is, I know how bad processed carbs are for me, but I still eat them. I've been giving that self-destruct button one hell of a pushing!

halfthesize Sat 16-Mar-13 14:19:55

Ooh Tea whats happening on there now? Its a very strange thread! hmm

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 14:22:15

Apparently it's wrong for children to see you eat differently confused

That bloody thread....

halfthesize Sat 16-Mar-13 14:25:51

OMG just read it, had not been on it since Thursday, some of them are raving loonies wink

halfthesize Sat 16-Mar-13 14:28:06

The sun is out here which is making me feel all spring like, hope everyone is enjoying their weekends. grin

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 14:38:58

I am trying not to get too involved in that thread, but it makes me feel very smile to see all of you on there!

I had an OK time at the dinner yesterday - the meal was pate, roast beef and trimmings and lemon tart. I did have the roast potatoes and carrots and fortunately the yorkshire pudding was inedible, and half the lemon tart, but...... I was able to stop when I felt a bit full, rather than finishing up the whole lot because it was there and was a meal I hadn't had to plan, shop for and prepare myself as I would have done a few weeks ago.

And a few minutes ago when I started feeling hungry after my BAB at 10ish, I had a chunk of cheese rather than a packet of biscuit s. So although I may not be bootcamping, or even low carbing especially well, I am making progress in my relationship with food I think smile.

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 18:45:40

Dinner is in the oven and smelling divine. Belly pork roasted with fennel and cardamom, cauli cheese and buttered greens.

For lunch I had mussels in a cream and garlic sauce and foreswore pudding. And drank sparkling water even though the waitress kept trying to upsell me to coke or wine!

Iamaslummymummy Sat 16-Mar-13 19:20:40

Had a lovely walk on the beach at the river with a very muddy dog and son. Really pleased that I had the energy with my cfs/me. I'm sure this woe is good for me.

B orange protein powder pancakes, coffee with cream
L oopsie roll sandwich with cheese, ham, mayo and salad and then oopsie roll topped with cream cheese and pbgrin
D pulled pork with coleslaw and salad

Good food today!

<sends healing powers to anyone who needs it>

Iamaslummymummy Sat 16-Mar-13 19:25:31

Oh and another thing, ds was given a box of Danish butter cookies such I would normally have devoured. I have had 1 (my first Cookie, biscuit or cake since nye).

It wasn't that great at all. I can leave them on the worktop and not even think about them. It's a miracle grin

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 19:30:27


Go you, Iamaslummymummy thanks

I am accidentally watching man vs food. I have never seen it before and my face is like this --> shock

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 20:49:48

thanks for all your advice - any lunch menu tips that will give me more fat - finding it hard to put fat in my diet [irony emoticon needed]

Serve with mayo custy, oily dressing (I do Dijon mustard, white wine vinegar and lots of olive oil), cold meats cooked at home in butter

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 20:56:39

How about tuna and mayo? Do you like mayo?

How about full fat mayo mixed with something or on a salad? Or an oily dressing? Fattier meats or cheeses. Butter with sea salt crystals spread on cheese, cucumber, eaten straight off the spoon. What sort of things do you like for lunch?

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 20:57:36

Do you have any cooking facilities at work?

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 21:33:24

yeah i like mayo - i'll need more fat than that though i suspect

microwave at work - i dont mind preparing stuff and taking it in

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 21:34:46

cheese - of course - obvious. grrrrr love cheese too - i work next door to a lidle and a waitrose ffs

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 21:35:10

cheese platter yum.

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 21:36:00

ooh ooh, i love cheese thins - like crisps - i stick a hot pickle in the middle

awesome when cold

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 21:52:18

I do a cheese platter with raw veg and add slices of posh salted butter.

Try the parmesan shortbread too. smilesmile

MaryBeardfanclub Sat 16-Mar-13 21:59:41

willie I love man v food - but it takes some getting used to, I felt sick at first watching him tackle pints of icecream and giant plates of meat & fries. THe meat in America looks sensational... esp the pulled pork

made my own mayo today, quite time consuming and not as amazing as I thought it would be - a lot nicer than hellmans though.

B: 2 hot hb eggs mashed with butter, salt and pepper (heaven on a plate)
L: roast chicken drumsticks (poked lots of butter under the skins) with hm coleslaw with aforementioned mayo
D: lamb burgers topped with cheese, avocado & lettuce salad, celeriac chips + nibbled on dessert I made for the others - apple cobbler and hm low carb ice cream.

I used the Patrick Holford for kids recipe book for the apple pud - the recipe uses xylitol, I put it in, but what is it?

re butter - the low carb gourmet book states the obvious which never occured to me - salted butter is not fresh, the salt is used to preserve it. KB recommends always buying unsalted - I have to say you cant leave it lying about in the kitchen for weeks though, it goes off! And apparently there is a big diff between grass fed cow butter and non grass fed cow butter. Grass fed is totally superior. Brands with grass fed cows are Kerrygold and Yeo Valley. My preference is Yeo Valley organic.

in fact the same goes for meat - I have read that grass fed meat has better quality nutrients than grain fed meat - consequently it's a lot more expensive.

I am determined to make the parmesan shortbread tomorrow...

Yy i've read about the grass-fed thing Mary, from paleo eaters, though my budget can't stretch to being that particular. I didn't know that about butter, that's interesting(despite have the KB book!)

I am still shock about man vs food! He had lobster with butter which looked lovely, but the quantities he consumed for a challenge was just unbelievable! And it wasn't about enjoyment, it was about cramming the most amount of food in in the least time in order to win a t-shirt

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 22:41:23

parmesan shortbread? ooh sounds good - what is that ( i do love smelly cheese)

Surely there isn't much that is 'unnatural' about salted butter - it is just butter (churned in the same way as unsalted butter) with salt added in at the end? Or am I missing something?

I've also read about the grass fed thing, and think it does taste better, but then I'm a sucker for that type of thing!

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 22:52:37

Parmesan shortbread

50g soft butter
25g grated parmesan
Cumin, paprika OR a little mustard
160g ground almonds

Beat it all together. It comes out like a shortbread mix. Flatten til thin on greased tray and bake 180 degrees for 10 mins.

Fab with cheese or as a pie crust.


MaryBeardfanclub Sat 16-Mar-13 23:10:42

hercule nothing unnatural about butter, salted or unsalted, was just commenting on freshness.

MaryBeardfanclub Sat 16-Mar-13 23:11:54

ooo ruprekt pie (drools)

Sorry was getting confused! Does that affect it in any way then? I thought salt was a natural preservative so it wouldn't do it any harm, would be interested to know (as I LOVE salted butter!!)

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 23:28:45

how many carbs Ruprekt?

sounds delish

but alas, i am without oven for the moment