Week 9 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Nearly there ...

(451 Posts)
BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 07:49:27

So we enter the last two weeks of Bootcamp. Still time to drop another 2-4lbs!

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for you to come and confess all.

Remember, at the bottom of the spreadsheet is a tab for Ubercamp, if you fancy three strict days.

Good luck!

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 07:54:55

Up a pound. Looks like I am going to finish bootcamp without even officially losing a stone. I have decided that is definitely the WOE i want have for life, but its just not working for weight loss. Im going to start looking at other options, for when bootcamp ends, to lose weight and then use LC to maintain.

Hope everyone else has better results from the scales today smile

Have decided to do a spring clean of the house, so today the bathroom is getting emptied & scrubbed from top to bottom grin

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 07:57:05

What do you mean, 'it's not working for weight loss'?!

Tell me what you have been eating and drinking for the last three days.

Black, how much do you have to lose? I was on BIWI's original BC and lost 2 and a half stone - it works honestly! List out a few days eating and let's have a look.

prettybird Mon 04-Mar-13 08:09:51

11stone 6lb - beating my 7 Feb to 6 March target by a pound and 3 days! smile. Next target is to break 11 stone by 6 April (which also happens to be my 52nd birthday smile)

As I mentioned yesterday, I've also now got into my admittedly pre-stretched favourite pair of Size 12 jeans and got lots of compliments especially as I also wore heels and a neat fitting smart shirt to enhance the effect grin

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 08:16:05

I have at least 10 stone, if not more, to lose sad

Will post my food after the school run, but i think I posted it each day anyway? Will go back through the last thread & see.

Glad to see its working for others though smile

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 08:19:48

I weigh the same today as I did at the end of week 1, thats what I mean by its not working for weightloss, my weight isnt going down, just bouncing with the same 2 lbs.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 08:21:24

It's a really good idea to keep a food diary, BlackAffronted, then you can look back at the week and identify any issues.

prettybird Mon 04-Mar-13 08:21:37

Are you drinking enough water and having enough fat?

Woohoo, I've lost 7 pounds! Admittedly it went on really quickly, and I know it's mostly fluid, but it's still 7 pounds grin

But I'm currently having a blip as DD is in hospital, so I'm stuck on hospital food (there's a restaurant and a boots so might not be too horrific). If she's here longer than tomorrow I'll be able to sort out bringing in my own food to heat up in the microwave, plus salad, but for today till we get dd sorted out, I'm tied to her bed a bit. On the plus side there's not much to do other than drink water and mumsnet (they've put in wifi since we were here last), so all is not lost

blackaffronted, just had a quick look at your meals you posted on the last thread, and just a couple of thoughts:

- you had a planned diversion into carbs last weekend and you had a 2lb loss, so it could well be that that has had an effect this week rather than last

- have you tried cutting down on cheese/dairy?

- you've said in the past you do quite a lot of exercise and i'm sure this will have an effect, obviously don't stop doing it!

- are you drinking plenty of water?

- it might be worth rechecking your veg portion sizes to just make sure you aren't overdoing some of the vegetables that are higher carbs per 100g. i know this WOE isn't about weighing all the time, but could be worth just making sure

anyway, if it doesn't sound too patronising, you did really well to have a low carb birthday celebration last week!

midnight, hope she is doing ok

I think under the circumstances you take whatever food is available and takes the least amount of effort. Really hope everything will be ok with your daughter.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 08:35:38

Sorry to hear that, IShallWearMidnight - hope she's better soon/you're out of there soon

PennyHofstadter Mon 04-Mar-13 08:46:03

IShallWear I hope your DD gets better soon.

Only 0.5lb down for me today but I'm pleased as I had a bit of a bad weekend with being away. I didn't blow it and I was careful most of the time but I did have quite a lot of wine and some divine ice cream on Saturday night. I've exercised a lot this past week so I think that has possibly helped me not put on.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 08:48:45

It's still a loss, Penny!

Bessie I meant to say, from the last thread, good luck re locum work.

prettybird Mon 04-Mar-13 09:02:25

Midnight - at the moment your dd is your priority. Don't put extra pressure on yourself by worrying about your diet.

EwanHoozami Mon 04-Mar-13 09:02:27

Midnight sorry to hear that DD is poorly, hope the time in hospital passes quickly.

A most bizarre 3lb on for me this morning. I've not been bootcamp-perfect but I've certainly not strayed from bootcamp light. I'll have a strict couple of days and weigh midweek as it's probably just an oddity.

PennyHofstadter Mon 04-Mar-13 09:06:24

Absolutely BIWI, a loss is a loss is a loss

Midnight I hope everything is as well as it can be, we will be thinking of you and your girl.

3.4lbs off for me - very pleased with that, as I had a couple of glasses of wine and a couple of squares of dark chocolate on Friday and Saturday! And I am full of cold (snot weighs a lot, right?) and got my period on Friday night.

My aim this week is to get back into exercise - was a proper gym bunny six months or so ago and for some reason it's gone entirely out the window. Just less than 6 weeks and counting until wedding dress measuring day so there's an incentive!

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 09:18:06

Hope your DD makes a speedy recovery Midnight x

EwanHoozami Mon 04-Mar-13 09:25:20

oh, erm, I might have just lost a couple of those pounds blush <opens window>

sorry grin

LavenderBriggs Mon 04-Mar-13 09:40:59

grin Ewan - I wish I hadn't weighed myself first thing for a very similar reason. I will do official weight tomorrow.

Well done the losers and great big supportive hugs to those who have stuff to deal with.

I have decided that alcohol isn't worth the effort after Friday. I'm not getting enough pleasure for the problems it brings. DH stopped drinking a couple of years ago so I think I'm going to join him.

I'm still 9 stone 6. I love it down here.

thenightsky Mon 04-Mar-13 09:58:04

1 pound down. I'm sure it would be more if I hadn't succumbed to vodka over the weekend sad

Well I appear to be a pound up this week, however I havent been to the loo yet blush sorry tmi! Ive put the gain on the sheet but I dont expect it to stay.

Cant help thinking that Im at the weight Im meant to be at, and thats why I havent been having the same losses as everyone else. Im sticking around 8st 11/12

The problem isnt so much my weight, more the fact that Im a few inches shorter than I should be grin

TheEarlyBird Mon 04-Mar-13 10:03:58

Have just entered my weight on the spreadsheet (sneakily - while my students are in the language lab smile ). Not sure on a week to week basis but 9lbs down over all so very happy.BMI 24.84 - how happy?????? Now - back to work!

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 10:04:24

Well I have lost a total of 7lbs in the last 9 days and I feel absolutely fantastic on this WOE. I will NEVER go back to the carbs I was eating before except in very rare occasions, now tucking into cream cheese pancakes and bacon.
And the Diet Doctor's, yoghurt, cocnut flakes, nuts and seeds plus a few blueberries breakfast looks fab....definitely going to make up the dry mix and try it. He says it keeps him going to lunch time with ease.

DangerousMouse Mon 04-Mar-13 10:08:01

Well done on great losses this week, I am 5lb down which I'm very pleased about.

Thank you everyone who posts on here, I am more of a lurker than a poster but I am following the thread daily. When bootcamp started I was a size 20/22 and going upwards, I have just had a massive clothes sort out and try on and I can now officially say I am a size 14!

My DP has lost 9kg during bootcamp and is feeling much better for it, he watched the food revolution talk on youtube last night and is so converted he is today emailing the local dieticians and diabetic specialists he works with (he's a G.P) with a view to advising this WOE to patients.

You are all amazing!

thekitchenfairy Mon 04-Mar-13 10:11:51

Early school meeting and no time to weigh so will do that tomorrow.

I've really enjoyed the 3 days uber bootcamp, think I have been snacking on too much dairy so this was great to kind of break that habit.

Tomorrow is a big local celebration, I usually make pasties for us all... I'm not going to deprive my DS as they love them, but I am going to make myself a beef stew with tons of swede for me as have a feeling diving into pastry would result in horrific heartburn!

Wishing you all good weeks, and glad to hear some of you will carry on smile)

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 10:14:22

Well den to your DH Dangerous, I am seeing my GP for a check this week and am going to tell her about this. My GP is pretty relaxed and very up to date so am not expecting too much hassle about my change if eating habits. The fact my weight is going down will be enough to keep her happy I am hoping.

And well done to you on a massive weight loss. .....my aim is size 14 clothes so I can buy in any shop again.

carbalanche Mon 04-Mar-13 10:17:53

4.5 pounds ON. Am now 13st 1.5. Knew I had failed badly this week (and the week before). Over the past 8 weeks I have lost up to 15 pounds and now that total loss has reduced down to 7.5 pounds. I have been on the last 3 Bootcamps (under different names) and have followed this pattern - spectacular loss at the start, a slower loss, a gain and then LOADS of gain.

Am not blaming anyone but myself. I am planning to be uber-strict this week and see if I can get a significant loss going again. If I can't manage to do this then I don't know what to do. Low-carb is the only way to go but I never seem to be able to maintain this WOE - I start off all evangelical and then my halo slips and my eating patterns are worse than ever.

I need to lose at least 3 stone and I wanted to do that by middle of June that's going to be impossible now sad

Sorry to be on such a downer but I'm pleased that I am at least fessing up here and not burying my head in the sand.

Today's plan:
Breakfast: 2 boiled eggs/herbal tea
Lunch - cold chicken salad
Dinner - steak, celeriac and green beans
LOADS of water

Bums. Have been bumped off the spreadsheet due to being slack on admin last week. Ah well. I'm 2lbs down since last week. Onwards. Now back to catch up on the thread smile

LavenderBriggs Mon 04-Mar-13 10:37:15

Carblance - sorry to hear that you're having a tough time with it. Identifying what's going wrong is the start of sorting it all out. Can you think about what's going on when the halo slips?

carbalanche Mon 04-Mar-13 11:02:39

LavenderBriggs I think I just get bored and then I have alcohol and then I think "sod it, life's too short", and then I really enjoy the taste of all the bad stuff (white bread with butter, toast with butter, croissants, potatoes etc..) and then I think "oh dear" I appear to have gained all the weight I've lost and then I think "I obviously can't do this" and then I try again and.... watch this space!!

Just need to break the cycle. I think the trick would be to realise that the depression I feel at having fallen off the wagon is just as bad, if not worse, than the depression I sometimes feel at not being able to eat all the stuff I love (and I DO love it and miss it no matter how adventurous and imaginative I am being with my cooking and low-carb recipes) There will hopefully then come a "tipping point" where my depression at being "deprived" is offset by the joy of being thinner and being able to wear nicer clothes rather than wandering round in sack-cloths. It's navigating that pesky interim period smile

carbalanche, would it help at all to keep a sort of diary, or just a written account of some sort, of your off-plan eating, feelings associated (before and after if you can remember)?

from what you say, chances are this will happen again, and maybe a read-through of your thoughts from the time before would help put a stop to the fuck-it feelings?

LavenderBriggs Mon 04-Mar-13 11:11:32

The diary is a really good idea - then you will have a much better understanding of what's going on.

Could you try to challenge some of those thoughts - when you think "life's too short" maybe you could counter it with "life's too short to be fit and healthy? are you serious?", which would show it up for the unhelpful nonsense it is.

Or "I obviously can't do this" with "er, yes I can, I just did".

The unhelpful thoughts have made themselves some lovely strong pathways. You need to make those pathways difficult to negotiate and create your own. Lots of new pathways for thoughts that say "look how well I've done", or "why would I feel deprived of food that makes me overweight and ill?"

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 11:12:57

The thing that really cemented my commitment to this as an ongoing WOE was all the reading I did about it. I had started low carbing purely to lose weight, and always in the back of my mind was the belief that I would return to eating pasta/bread/rice etc again, once I reached my target.

But learning more and more about the damage that carbohydrates do to us really clinched things for me.

That's not to say that I don't still go off piste <understatement grin> but I no longer pine for foods or feel deprived that I can't have them.

Have you done much reading about low carbing?

pyjamalover Mon 04-Mar-13 11:40:12

Sorry to hear about your daughter midnight.

I made these for dinner last night, no wasabi though as I am a wimp, guacamole was just avocado, lime juice and fresh coriander. They were SO yum, really excited about having some of the leftovers for lunch today. Thanks to whoever posted the recipe!

I am very much back on the wagon, enjoying the food and feeling good again, but the craving for all things bad for us has not settled, it's taking all my self control not to go and do something I know I'll regret!

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 11:52:40

Ooh - I posted that one! They are good, aren't they? Only thing to realise is that they are very low fat. (Although I suppose the guacamole has got the fat in it)

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 12:10:37

We should organise a clothes swap, for our old stuff that doesnt fit? Might save some money while we are dropping through the sizes (though im still firmly a 24, I hope to be smaller soon).

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 12:18:06

Bugger.....just bought Tesco Guacamole....got it home and then saw th carb content shock.

One to keep in the fridge and allow inky a spoonful of if I have a veggies and dip moment. Loads of Total yoghurt though so will crush some garlic etc add cucumber and make a dip from that.

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 12:26:03

Have been looking at VLCD diets like Slim & Save, but they are so depressing to think about sad and expensive!

My friend doing Slimming World has lost 2 and a half stone in the same time Ive been doing bootcamp, and she looks amazing! I am so bloody jealous.

NoelHeadbands Mon 04-Mar-13 13:27:49

Marking my place. Well done to the losers and STSers

timidviper Mon 04-Mar-13 13:31:46

Black As your older twin, can I just tell you to STOP IT NOW BEFORE I HAVE TO SMACK YOU OR PULL YOUR HAIR!! (Can you just imagine two size 24 evil twins tussling on the floor! grin) Nobody ever motivated themself by putting themself down and that is just what you are doing at the moment.
You and I are the same clothes size, in fact I was towards the top end of that size when I started out here and, as we said yesterday, you don't see a change that quickly in plus sizes. I am 2st 5lb down since October and still in the same size but we both just have to keep thinking "this is the biggest size I will ever need"

You know logically, if you do a VLCD it will be torture and you will put it all back and more because you have a love of food and I do wonder if that is where your problem lies tbh. I love good food too and although we do not restrict food on bootcamp I have noticed that, on weeks where I have eaten very well, I may lose less than on weeks where I have reined myself in a little. No matter how good a WOE is, we have to find the version that works for each of us, even too many veg can stall your loss if you are susceptible.

Don't give up, your friend on SW will have been hungry, hungry, hungry (one of my friends has just lost 4st on it and says it works once you learn you can never eat anything nice ever again!) You can do this, have a look at ubercamp and check out the portions, it'll be fine.

QuickLookBusy Mon 04-Mar-13 13:32:14

Sorry you're having a hard time Black.

Midnight I hope your dd is better and out of hospital soon.

I've lost .25lbs which is good as I'm on maintenance now. I have been having carbs with just one meal a day, breakfast (small slice of toast) or lunch (oatcakes) or evening meal ( we went for an Indian so I had a popodom and about a tablespoon of rice)

The rest of the day I'm still sticking to LC, eating lots of veg and drinking lots. Will continue the same next week and hope I STS.

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Mon 04-Mar-13 13:34:32

1.5 off for me this week, very pleased!

Carteblanche a couple of weeks ago BIWI (and others) were talking about 'treats not cheats'.
This stuck with with me and Saturday night is now treat night for me, my kids go to their dads so its me, some wine, snacks and telly (yes I am that sad that its a treat). This week I had a big steak with buttery mushrooms and made a cream and blue cheese sauce with salad, 2 litres of fizzy water and a couple glass of nice red wine. Later I had some nuts and a cheese board.

Could you try that, rather than saying sod it and having toast have a stash of delicious low carb goodies that you could 'treat' yourself too?

black!!!!' List everything, every morsel of food you are eating and drinking for us so we can help.

For the record I have lost the same few lbs for the last few weeks, but I know I haven't had a whole week where I have stuck to the rules. I haven't drink enough or I've had a small bit of something etc etc

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Mon 04-Mar-13 13:39:17

Totally agree about slimming world - my friend is doing SW too. I stayed at her house a couple of weeks ago and see made me scarmbled egg for breakfast. Made with skimmed milk and no butter. God it tasted awful.

Ruprekt Mon 04-Mar-13 13:44:58

Ubercamp for 5 days.

B 2 egg mushroom omelette cooked in butter
Glass water

L chicken breast baked in oven 0.6g, buttered turnip and swede, sauteed cabbage in butter.
Glass sparkling water

2 mini packs pork scratchings


BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 13:46:19


Please list out for me, day by day, what you have eaten and what you have drunk. Everything.

It can't be the case that low carbing doesn't work for you, because you lost 12lbs in the first week.

So there has to be something going on in terms of what you are eating/drinking.

Some things to consider:

1. Are you eating too much? Although on Bootcamp we don't weigh/count things, as this is designed to make the whole thing easy, this doesn't give us free rein to eat too much. Even if you are eating low carb meals, it's still possible to eat too much. Try Ubercamp for 3 days, as the portion sizes are given there.

2. Conversely, are you eating enough? It's very easy to think that if the weight isn't coming off that you should eat even less.

3. Do you know how many carbs a day you are eating? It would be worth weighing your portions for a few days to see how many carbs you are actually eating. On the spreadsheet there is a veg carb counter to help you work out how many carbs are in anything you are cooking. Or follow Ubercamp for 3 days, as the portion sizes are given there.

4. Are you eating unprocessed foods and avoiding artificial sweeteners? If you're buying/eating processed stuff, do you know how many carbs are in them?

5. Are you really making sure that your diet is fat:protein:carbs? Or has it become protein:fat:carbs? Too much protein will also cause your body to release insulin and lay down fat.

6. How much water are you drinking a day? This chart is from the Bootcamp rules:

"The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from http://www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight--------Litres
High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt."

You have said you have a lot of weight to lose - so you should be drinking a lot of water.

7. How much alcohol are you drinking? As well as the carbs that it contains (unless you're drinking spirits), alcohol is a very easy source of fuel for the body, and it will burn that in preference to anything else. So every time you have a drink, your body is not burning fat but just using the alcohol.

Please, please, please don't go down the VLCD route. Apart from the fact that you will hate it - as someone who is a food love, that is obvious - you will be hungry and it will really test your willpower. Worse, even if you do lose weight successfully on it, it will not help your metabolism. have a read of this

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 13:50:16

Oh, and:

8. Try taking dairy out of your diet altogether for a few days - Ubercamp is designed to do just this. Dairy can impede weight loss for many people. (Butter is OK, by the way) But no milk, cream, cheese or yoghurt.

Lavenderhoney Mon 04-Mar-13 14:02:25

Midnight, sorry about your dd, hope she is out soon.
Biwi, I hope your work situation turns round soon.
And well done to the loserssmile

I have yet to fill in the spreadsheet for this week- I am a few pounds up and as I had a bit of carb this week I can see why. And I wonder if I now need to exercise more to get a push down. I don't have milk, yogurt and not really any cheese this week, although I have been a bit heavy handed with the cream in my coffee.

I do drink enough water though.
I am going to look at uber bootcamp this weeksmile or do normal bootcamp and exercise ( Pilates)

pyjamalover Mon 04-Mar-13 14:08:01

Black I agree with BIWI, from what you've posted you clearly love cooking and food, a meal replacement diet would be terrible to stick to, and you'd have to go back to eating food eventually so what will happen then? If you want to eat low calorie it's easiest to do by eating low carbs as our meals are so satisfying (as well as delicious).

For example, breakfast of 2 eggs, spinach and mushrooms cooked in butter (350 calories), lunch salmon salad with mayo, fresh pesto and a bit of avocado as well as salad leaves etc (427 calories), dinner homemade beef bolegnese with courgette ribbons (427 calories). I used MFP to calculate the calories.

That's surely low cal enough, and hardly deprivation! Much nicer than tasteless low fat or meal replacement things.

timidviper Mon 04-Mar-13 14:17:42

Midnight Hope DD is better soon

Bessie I did locum work from the time eldest DC was born until youngest DC went to senior school and it worked well, albeit planning was sometimes a bit difficult if I got last minute calls I didn't feel I could refuse. After that I was lucky enough to get a term-time contract. I am still glad I took that step back though.

herecomesthsun Mon 04-Mar-13 16:00:45

Well, very stressful here with lots of negotiation meetings about arrangements re return from maternity leave.

I went to music class with my daughter who has just turned one, and nearly cried because this is the last week I will be able to do that without taking time off work specially.

However, rather than pigging out on chocolate, I am managing with a little ff yoghurt and 3 or 4 blackberries etc. I am not hitting the wine, just downing decaf coffee.

And I am finding I have to get new clothes - size 14 jeans the week before last, European size 42 suiting this week for work. The weight has mainly come off my thighs/ ahem saddlebags, so my figure looks surprisingly neat. This is in fact quite comforting in the midst of all the stress.

It is also time for me to get my glucose checked again. I have lost 1.5 - 2 stone since November, so I am hoping this will have had a good effect!!

Given my risk of diabetes, I don't think I have any choice but low carbing.

The next change needs to be upping the exercise though!

queribus Mon 04-Mar-13 16:01:09

Stayed the same this week. I've lost 15lbs since I started, which has got to be good. I've started to slide back into bad habits a bit, so I need uber-bootcamp to get me going again.

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 16:54:25

Sorry you are findi go things hard Black, I a, a size 24 too so it's actually size 24 triplets grin.

I have on,y been low Carbing a week or so but in that time all my food cravings have disappeared. For someone with a crisp addiction (and I so mean addiction hence size 24) this is amazing. I haven't eaten a bag of crisps since starting and more importantly I don't want em either. I have NEVER been able today that before on a diet.

Oh and celeriac chips......utterly bloody gorgeous; cooked them coated in olive oil and mild curry powder as seasoning.

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 17:06:36

Thanks guys. You know that feeling, when the scales just wont budge and you panic & think "what can I do to move it?" and I had a stupid moment of considering a VLCD. I am pleased to announce I am over my stupidity grin

I have never weighed food, but I only eat veg from the top half of the bootcamp veg list really. I avoid peppers, tomatoes & carrots if I can. I am drining slightly less than 4.5 litres (which is what your list says BIWI, for my weight) but I think I will struggle to drink more, thats a LOT of water sad

I rarely drink alcohol. Twice on Bootcamp, and it was vodka & soda/diet coke. No sweeteners apart from the one diet coke I had weeks ago.

I eat sausages & bacon, so yes to processed stuff. Not every single day though, but maybe too often?

I use lots of butter/olive oil & mayo, I have one of those with every meal.
So out of your checklist Biwi, there are maybe a few little problem areas sad You have made me realise VLCD isnt the way though, thanks.

Timid, you can be as scary as Biwi & her stick! shock grin

I just want to lose more weight <stamps foot>

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 17:08:43

Jake, I had a crisp addiction too, and I am amazed that I havent touched a packet since 4th Jan (my start date). Its the biggest revelation to me on this woe smile

GinotPrigio Mon 04-Mar-13 17:17:06

I'm 1lb down this week. Am hoping for a couple of strict weeks to lose another 6lbs and get me to 11st 7lbs by wedding day. At that weight I will have a BMI of 25, so at the top of the healthy weight range.

Training for a marathon and low carbing has started to prove a bit difficult. I wanted to wait for as long as possible before introducing carbs before runs but that time has come. I ran 10 miles last week on normal low carb foods and it felt terrible. Today I had wholemeal toast and a small bowl of porridge before a 12 mile run. It was still hard, but I didn't feel like I was dragging my legs every step of the way. I wonder if/how this is going to affect me on the scales. I only plan to "carb up" like this for my weekly long runs and not for the short ones in between. If my research is right, my body will burn the carbs I have eaten and therefore there won't be any glycogen to store, and hence no weight gain. But we will see.

Midnight Sorry to hear your daughter is so poorly. I hope she gets better and out of hospital very soon.

BlackAffronted I don't really have any extra advice over and above what has already been said. But you have still lost a whole stone so please don't give up.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 04-Mar-13 17:19:50

Well another lb off for me.
Sorry to here of your woes Black.
I too had a crisp and chocolate addiction.
I confess to having had one small pack from a multipack near the beginning of this bootcamp - maybe about wk 3, and found that shockingly they weren't as nice as I thought they would be.

I still can't work out how you can all eat celeriac though.. .Bloody horrible stuff.

So how much weight do you have to loose to go down a size in clothes then? I am finding that my size 16 stuff is too big, but size 14 trousers are still a little tight and don't hang right. I have now lost 16lb and thought that that might have done it.
I so want to go out and buy some smaller clothes that fit right.

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 17:26:05

So today...menu

B was 2 rashers streaky bacon and a cream cheese pancake.
L was a variation of the Diet Doctor's breakfast ....Total yoghurt, tablespoon of cream, 4 chopped walnut haves, a few macadamia nuts, some linseed...shrinking of and about 7 blueberries...a small bowlful has lasted me all afternoon.
D pork chop, celeriac chips, buttered spinach

Fluids...both sparkling and tap water plus a cup of liquorice and peppermint tea.

Going to start focusing in on my hunger....am I hungry or not etc tomorrow and make some notes. Won't eat if not hungry but will have a glass of water.

Also going to join MyFitnessPal and start recording my food to get a good idea of carbs.....in fact I will download it now and do it,

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 17:31:15

BlackAffronted - I really think you should start weighing and counting for a couple of days.

The water is important. Once you get into drinking water it's not that hard to drink lots. I can quite easily get through 4 litres in a day.

And re the fat - you say you're having 'one of those' with every meal - what does that actually mean? Are you eating fatty meat/fish as well?

I really need to see your meals listed out properly to comment more, but it could be that it's a combination of lots of little things that you need to tweak for things to work for you.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 17:33:50

Jake - you do know that your breakfast does not adhere to Bootcamp, don't you?

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 17:43:08

Done the MFP thing and today.....

71% of my calories came from fat
20% from protein
9% from carbs...about 35g of carb all day.

It anticipates a weight loss if I continue to eat like today.

I am happy with that grin

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 17:46:33

Yeah I know.......didn't realise straight away though.

Bootcamp is for two weeks isn't it? Then Bootcamp Light....am I correct....will go and reread.

Good thing is that I have broken my Pepsi Max addiction for good now....no desire to drink the stuff at all.

Got a feeling my lunch wasn't quite right either.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 17:47:46

Sorry Jake - I meant to say your lunch, not your breakfast!!!

Bootcamp is for two weeks, yes.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 17:51:36

A very pertinent blog post here

!5 Reasons Why You're Not Losing Weight

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 17:56:49

An....I zeroed in on the bacon,

Yes the blueberries, nuts etc I knew were not right but just wanted to try the recipe. Anyhow will not do it again until Monday which is when I go to Bootcamp Lite lol.

Am assuming my fat quantities and protein are okay though via MFP.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 18:08:13

Oh yes, very good!

thenightsky Mon 04-Mar-13 18:09:11

Ilisten2theradio I've lost about 17 or 18 pounds and it is just about a dress size I find. But only in some shops. I reckon 20 to 22lb will be a full size in my case (5ft 8in)

sybilfaulty Mon 04-Mar-13 18:12:17

2 lbs on for me as I have been an oinker. Sorry everyone. Will try harder this week.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 18:16:54

Come and sit with me on the naughty step, sybil!

JakeBullet Mon 04-Mar-13 18:18:37

I definitely have to zero in in my body's hunger signals....I actually don't feel hungry with this WOE so am eating only because it is lunch, dinner time etc. ....and also because Bootcamp says I have to grin.

I am planning to try and get back in touch with my hunger signals as I have totally lost all contact with them over the past 20 years.

All I know is that I am not hungry at all at the moment...totally sated...and for me that is amazing,

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 18:21:28

It's great, isn't it?

Yama Mon 04-Mar-13 18:55:48

Still teetering between 9st 11lbs and 9st 12lbs. To be honest, if I get any thinner I start to look a bit unhealthy and my Mum worries.

I am sticking to original Bootcamp rules rather than Light. Apart from with alcohol - I do like my wine at the weekend.

B - Scrambled eggs with cured beef, cream and goats cheese.
S - Greek yoghurt with milled flaxseed
L - Salad with spinach, corned beef, goats cheese and mayo.
D - Spicy coconut, beef and turnip stew.

Yo yo yo losers!

B - none as I managed to smash a load if stuff in out kitchen and had to tidy that up - good start!
L - lettuce/leaves with leftover roast beef and mayo (in all honestly finally not eating and having leftovers was also quite a novelty)
D - lamb kleftiko (with feta) and cauliflower rice

I have drunk lots of water and sadly ate one grape without thinking but all good other than that!

MaryBeardfanclub Mon 04-Mar-13 19:13:43

yes jake and biwi it's marvellous to feel full - for the 1st time in 25 years! angry


NellVarnish Mon 04-Mar-13 19:18:32

BIWI hope work picks up for you soon.

Midnight hope your DD is ok and back home soon. Don't beat yourself up about eating, you can sort that once you're both home.

Ok I weighed this morning and despite the Nutella Binge etc I appear to have stayed the same. Which is somewhat of a miracle.

Today I've had:

B: LIDL ff yoghurt (not much as was in a hurry)
L: tuna mayonnaise on shredded lettuce with celery
D: salmon, roasted broccoli, creamy braised cabbage
S: slice of salami and a cube of cheese

Is this ok? Am I back on the wagon? <hopeful>

Well done to you losers and commiserations to the STSamers and gainers - and thanks to BIWI and Willie for their sterling efforts!

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 19:19:41

Sounds like you're well back on the wagon! As long as plenty of water as well ...

Iamaslummymummy Mon 04-Mar-13 19:30:37

I've been eating the huge celeriac and Swede dauphinoise I made for two days and still got some left! Day of left overs for me.

B: strange tvp/ almond flour/soy milk porridge again. Strange but tasty.
L: left over gammon, Swede/celeriac and brocolli
D: left over sausages, Swede/ celeriac and buttery leeks
S: half a pack of pork scratchings and a mini bar of aldi 85% chocolate.

Sore day today but my latest medication mix seems to have dealt with my constipation issues so hoping for a decent weigh in on Wednesday after a few weeks of stalling.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 19:42:22
BlackAffronted Mon 04-Mar-13 19:52:24

Giving up dairy is going to be hard sad up till now, I havent felt deprived but I knwo I will now, I use cream 3 or 4 times a week in my recipes. Lookslike I am going to have to do it though!

timidviper Mon 04-Mar-13 20:45:57

Black I would seriously look at portion size before cutting things out. I was shocked when I read how small "normal" portions are. I think we get used to restaurant portions which tend to be larger than they ought to be for every day and as you and I cook meals of restaurant quality it is easy to fall into the trap.

I think to get to the size you and I are at, we have to have skewed views of food and to have overeaten for years (I hope that doesn't sound too harsh) and we know, logically, that we have to address that.

It is only my personal view and, hopefully, others that know more will be along soon but I do think eliminating stuff from the diet is a fairly major step and would think quantity is much easier to address.

Black you will be fine I promise! Just think of all that extra yummy salt crystal butter you can slather on everything instead.... ummmmmm..... yummy! As Linford would say PMA or am I the only one that remembers that?

Interesting timid. Dr Bernstein (author of the diabetic diet) talks about something he calls the Chinese Restaurant effect, he says "During and after meals, the stomach empties a slurry of food mixed with liquid into the small intestine. The liquid passes through the small intestine and is absorbed, mostly in the large intestine. The solids stretch the walls of the small intestine as they slowly pass through. Cells in the upper part of the small intestine release hormones that signal the pancreas to produce insulin when they’re stretched. (The pancreas is the gland responsible for manufacturing, storing, and releasing insulin in the body.) Large meals cause greater stretching of the intestinal cells, which in turn will secrete proportionately larger amounts of these hormones."

He talks about a patient that used to have raised blood sugar after swimming and it turns out she was eating a whole head of lettuce before because she thought it was one of those things you can eat as much of as you like (and she called it a 'freebie'). For me it really struck a chord as on every way of eating/diet I have ever been on, I tend to spend much time working out what is the most I can eat but stay within the rules. So for example on weightwatchers, what were the lowest point foods that I could eat loads of. I have really tried this week to listen to my body again, eat more slowly and have smaller meals. It seems to be working. I sometimes have that feeling which I used to think is hunger but actually is often just 'not stuffed'!!!

SavoirFaire Mon 04-Mar-13 21:03:30

Evening all. Haven't posted much for a bit but have been keeping an eye on the thread. Well done to all the losers, and keep on keeping on to everyone else. Sorry to hear you're feeling stuck black but you will will will lose - you certainly deserve it!

I've finally hit my 1 stone off over bootcamp (after a few weeks or up and down a pound or two) which I'm delighted with. I know I've hit this weight a couple of times during bootcamp but never still been there on a Monday, usually because of weekend 'treats'. So I had an ultra good week last week, and tried to be good over the weekend... Would like to lose another couple of pounds if possible but to be honest I'm pretty happy at this weight - lowest I've been in at least 5 years.

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 21:05:16

BlackAffronted - try Ubercamp. It's only for 3 days (and it's totally dairy-free). See what happens to your weight in those three days, and that should tell you whether or not dairy is an issue for you.

Have a look at the meals on Ubercamp and see what you think.

NellVarnish Mon 04-Mar-13 21:08:14

BIWI I have sinned ALREADY!

Well not sinned exactly but have just had a little bowl of yoghurt with a tablespoon of ground linseed stuff (aldi).

I just fancied a snicester.

Clearly I need a kick up the bahookie although at least it wasn't a bowl of Nutella! grin

Ps am knocking back the water like it was Pinot Grigio ...

Ruprekt Mon 04-Mar-13 21:26:24

Bargains galore at Waitrose tonight! Got 4 cooked chicken breasts for £1.80 instead of £10!!!!!!!

Got steak, beef, crab, mussels, chicken drumsticks. Twas great!

Anyhoo, went to aerobics and came back to chicken breast, coleslaw and salad.

Have NOT been ubercamping though. shockshockshock

Had milk in 2 cups tea confused

No cheese or cream though.

Am also drinking warm water as it is easier to drink.

Tomorrows plan is

Bacon and mushrooms.
Dressed crab, salad and coleslaw
Roast chicken, broccoli and sauteed cabbage

Does that sound OK?

BIWI Mon 04-Mar-13 21:53:22

Yep - as long as plenty of fat.

Bessie123 Mon 04-Mar-13 23:52:26

Well, after about 30 years of refusing to go near it I have discovered I don't mind cauliflower. Far from it being the satanic vegetable I imagined, I find it is actually quite inoffensive. Unlike the letter from the stupid bitch who fired me to hire someone cheaper, who has basically written accusing me of trying to steal a telephone headset. Wtf???

Lavenderhoney Tue 05-Mar-13 04:57:09

Bessie, my dd has spent 4 years refusing to even look at cauliflowersmile but at the weekend she asked for some from the serving dish as " perhaps I'll like it now" she does and requests it all the time nowsmile

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 06:30:11

Bessie, I would say that if she is going to chuck around accusations like that she needs some proof angry.

How awful.

....but cauliflower is indeed less inoffensive. ...tis lovely with a bit of butter, cream and cheese.

Bessie that is awful! How horrible for you, hope you are OK. Sounds like a horrid woman to work for.

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Mar-13 07:10:14

Timid, you talk like you are in my head smile I take huge pride in feeding people and creating amazing meals - so I do tend to overfill plates. I will look atthat before giving up beloved cream. We will be size 22 before the summer!

Biwi, when I do my shopping later, Ill get what I need for Uber, and start tomorrow. Worth a try!

So MrsH, do you think smaller meals are the way then? Could I change to 4 small meals do you think? That would actually suit my lifestyle actually. I might start using a side plate, as our normal plates are so huge, they dont even fit in our dishwasher!

Bessie, what a woman sad some people are just so petty.

I am making chicken kebabs tonight, what veg can I stick on the skewers? Onions is too carby,isnt it? Ive no shallots and neither Morrisons or Lidl have them in just now sad

bessie, that's truly horrible. hopefully something better will come along and this will have been a lucky escape.

black - do you have mushrooms or courgettes?

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 07:38:32

Oh Bessie sad and angry for you. That is totally stupid. Thank goodness you're not working for her any more though.

BlackAffronted - sounds like portion size is definitely something to aim for - but don't increase your meals. Just aim for 3 smaller meals - otherwise you could end up eating even more in the day! Re chicken kebabs - how about mushrooms? Do you have any leeks/green peppers? Or failing that, just chicken would be perfect.

Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Mar-13 07:56:36


We use pasta bowls for most meals as our plates are also quite big. I find that if the plate is full then you feel full even if the plate is smaller.

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 07:57:42

Another tip - about 15 minutes before you are going to eat, drink a large glass of water.

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Mar-13 08:17:58

Oh yes, I do have mushrooms and courgettes! Thanks.

Biwi, I drink a glass of water every 15 minutes anyway grin

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 08:18:08

I am focusing in on my hunger signals today so am not going to eat until I am hungry. Have had a cup of coffee with a splash if cream but inky do this once a day. Am going to drink water and wait until I feel ready for breakfast. Then today it is fried egg, buttered spinach and.....some kind of meat....or perhaps a sprinkling of cheese.
Also going to peruse the "allowed vegetables" list a bit more and try to make the most of the lower carb ones.

No more nuts, seeds or blueberries until after Sunday now.

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Mar-13 08:23:16

I have messed up - I had pizza last night. Yes, pizza. I have no excuse other than me and DP are having some difficulties and I was emotionally eating. I haven't done anything like that since I started this WOE so I'm disappointed in myself. Eggs for breakfast and plenty of water for me today and lets hope I haven't done too much damage.

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 08:27:15

Penny don't beat yourself up....you had pizza.....it happens.

I am very influenced by the John Briffa book...he says that it's what you do most of the time that matters....not an occasional blow out grin. So you had pizza.....hope you enjoyed it at the time it's a lovely occasional food but now move on.....and don't hate yourself or feel angry with yourself. It happened, you know why it happened and that's half the battle.

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Mar-13 08:35:52

Thanks Jake, that does make me feel better.

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 08:36:47

Sorry to hear things aren't going well for you, Penny. But Jake is absolutely right. To misquote Scarlett O'Hara - today is another day!

Drink plenty of water and be strict for the next couple of days and you should be fine.

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Mar-13 08:44:11

Thanks BIWI. Such a silly thing to do but its done now and there is no point wallowing so onwards and downwards!

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 08:52:28

The key thing - did you enjoy it? If you did, then great! If, as you were eating it, you were questioning its real appeal or feeling guilty about it, then that tells you something

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Mar-13 09:10:10

I enjoyed it while I was eating it, I can't remember the last time I ate pizza and because I was feeling emotionally charged it made me feel better... temporarily. Two hours later when I was feeling hugely bloated because of carbs/gluten it didn't feel so great and I realised that it wasn't worth the stomach ache I'd gotten. I don't think i'll be eating pizza again anytime soon.

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Tue 05-Mar-13 10:12:56

To reduce your portion size black you could make your 'normal ' sized dinner, then put half in the fridge for later. See how you feel eating half what you would normally have, and if you are not satisfied have a little more.

No point in cutting your portions then spending the whole evening starving.

I'm also amazed at the veg I now like. Everything tastes nice fired in butter!

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Tue 05-Mar-13 10:13:20

fried in butter even!

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 10:25:04

Butter is a wonderful invention, isn't it?! grin

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 11:08:25

I am checking my hunger signals today.....and have decided to put DS on this way of eating....mostly. I a, going to give him the odd slice of bread (thin) with butter and peanut butter to fill him up and also a couple of new potatoes with his tea. However have bought 97% meat sausages today and he is having a coup,e for tea with cauliflower mash which he loves and buttered sprouts which he also loves.
Have told him that we are going to try this with him to see if it helps ....he is keen but less keen on "no sweets" so have agreed twice a week something small with the view to weaning him off.
I checked the carbs in all the bread before buying....the one I bought has 1g carb per slice so a slice of toast with butter and peanut butter should come in low.

Packed lunches might be more difficult but will do some research.

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 11:13:48

....I will of course be sensible with DS, I think children do have a need for easily accessible sugars and starches at times...their nutritional needs are different, but they don't need the refined rubbish they get given all too often. Am happy to add potatoes to my DS's meal while keeping pasta for an occasional treat.

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 11:32:21

Does he like wraps? You can buy low carb wraps, I believe.

I wouldn't worry too much about cutting his carbs that low - wholegrain toast/sandwiches aren't too bad for him. Just make sure you keep white pasta/rice to a minimum.

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 11:45:45

low carb wraps

I've never tried them myself (and they are expensive) but these could be worth a go for him?

Wondered if I could ask for some advice/opinions?

Is anyone else feeling really really cold? It feels like Ive been complaining for months... I know we've had some really cold weather etc, but this is getting ridiculous and Im starting to get a little concerned. Im wearing lots of layers but my hands especially are so cold theyre uncomfortable. I feel like I have no energy to do anything, and Im getting tired. Before, I was feeling much more energetic but that seems to have disappeared.

The weather looks beautiful outside today, people walking past in ballet pumps and no coats, yet Im inside with cardy and scarf on, blanket around my legs and contemplating making yet another hot drink blush

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Mar-13 11:54:37

Jake, what bread have you found that has 1g carb per slice? Very interested in that myself.

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Mar-13 11:55:49

GuyMartin, I havent been any colder than usual, and though my energy levels havent gone up by much, Im not tired all the time either - maybe youhave something else going on? Hope you feel better soon.

thekitchenfairy Tue 05-Mar-13 12:05:20

Morning everyone, well done to all this week's losers!

Hope you have a better day today Penny... I too had pizza last night (sorry everyone). Unprecedented x2 fab reports at parents eve and DH got surprise treat for them. I had HM coleslaw and some avocado with 2 slices (and glass of wine left from weekend so double blush) crikey I was dog rough within an hour or so...

All weigh I tomorrow, doing another 3 days uber, can't believe 10 weeks has nearly finished!

Jake does your DS like tortilla? I make it with a mix of white and sweet potato, my eldest loves it as packed lunch, especially if I put feta cheese in it! It's also great made into kebab type snack with olives and cherry tomatoes, if he likes that kind of thing.

Black - I was thinking the same, like maybe I had a cold on its way but its been for too long now. If it doesnt change then I'll go to see my gp. I just had a quick look on other low carb forums and wonder if it could be to do with my metabolism? Could then explain perhaps why nothings really going on with me regarding weightloss. Must say tho, the no energy feeling is more recent than the feeling cold all the time feeling.

I'll see what I can find out.

thekitchenfairy Tue 05-Mar-13 12:11:37

GuyMartin... I had a flu virus about a month ago, it has left me really feeling the cold, am wrapped up in 6 layers and wearing a hat in the house! Whatever it is doing the rounds, it seems to be taking weeks to shake off so I'm warming up with hot water... And extra layers!

thekitchenfairy Tue 05-Mar-13 12:12:25

Hope you feel better soon!

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 12:14:25

Guy - get up and go outside for a brisk walk. You will feel much better, honestly! And when you get back inside you will realise it is actually quite warm.

How much exercise do you do?

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 12:15:41

.... but picked this up from another forum:

"It's the metabolic nature of burning fat - as long as you are in calorie deficit you should find your basal body temperature a bit lower and will feel cold quicker ad stay cold longer upon getting a chill. It's a good sign when you're trying to lose weight."

Thank you thekitchenfairy smile

Biwi - I like to run but generally dont through the winter blush so I havent picked that back up as yet though its on the cards. At the moment I walk about an hour a day doing the school run, and I do like to walk briskly. Thats about it, unless I need to walk to the supermarket or to a friends or something. This probably isnt enough, I know blush

Im just having lunch (tuna mayo and lettuce, fyi grin ) and will pop out for a walk after, before I meet up with friends for the school run later.

Sorry x posted

calorie deficit - Am I not eating enough? Or am I reading that wrong? Im finding it hard to eat 3 meals a day every day, but just because Im not hungry or dont fancy anything. Im not weighing or counting calories or anything like that.

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 12:23:57

I have done a quick Google, and it does appear to be a common problem, although I don't know why - it is, presumably, something to do with your metabolic rate.

So exercise would also be a very good thing for you to do. I never, ever, ever thought I would be exercising outside in February, but I have been! Actually, as long as you've got the right clothes on, it's not that bad once you get going.

Ok, I'll keep eating as I am but up the exercise. Anything as long as I can feel comfortable again! Brisk walking obviously isnt enough for me, but its good to have an idea of what changes to make.

Thank you Biwi smile

Bessie123 Tue 05-Mar-13 12:50:29

blackaffronted it sounds like you are a bit scared of being hungry..?

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 12:51:04

Black it is a Hovis loaf...a small one, thin slice and whole meal. I won't be eating it but its fine for DS. Well double check the carbs but know it was much lower than anything else.

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Mar-13 12:53:12

jake, is that the 400g loaf?

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Mar-13 12:53:41

Bessie, I have always been scared of hunger!

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 12:54:44

Well that's one thing you don't have to worry about on this WOE, BlackAffronted! If you're eating enough fat/drinking enough water, then you simply won't be hungry. And if you are - then there are lovely things that you can snack on.

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 12:56:00

Ignore me Black, the Hovis bread is actually 9.0g per slice but 1.0 sugars....it's fine for DS but I am not eating it.

Bessie123 Tue 05-Mar-13 13:01:48

Why don't you have smaller meals but some snacks ready? I did that and naturally dropped the snacks as I became more used to this WOE. There is really nothing to be scared of about being hungry - it's just a new feeling and if you do feel hungry you,can eat something. Would you drink 10 pints of water in case you got thirsty later?

I find hard boiled eggs, babybels and total are good snacks that you can carry with you if you're going out. Remember, nothing bad will happen from feeling a little bit hungry.

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 13:03:58

Ubercamp will be a really good approach for you, Black, as there is no snacking allowed. It's only for three days, so should be bearable.

black I don't know tbh. I just know that reading that made me recognise that I was greedy and always tried to eat the most I could within any guidelines. I feel much better now trying to eat three sensible sized meals and not snacking unless really hungry. It just was a bit of a lightbulb moment for me that I was eating for eating not because I was hungry. I am enjoying listening to my stomach and not feeling starving or stuffed!

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 13:14:08

That MyFitnessPal app is quite scary with its measurements isn't it? All my fat content reading are in red. If I eat as planned today my carbs will be 22g but can reduce that by taking off a Brussels sprout grin

i follow a low carb thread on another forum, and a couple of people there focus on the fat density of foods - they aim for as much fat as you can get in the least volume, so lots of coconut oil, lard, crackling etc

it's far too extreme for me as a WOE, but would tie in with the insulin reaction/volume of food business that MrsHP has described. i wonder whether the same thing would happen if you drank lots and lots of water in one go, rather than evenly spaced out through the day?

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 05-Mar-13 13:55:34

guy I feel really hot all the time on this woe - I have been lchf for about 10 months now so maybe it takes time to settle down. It's one of the things that I love about this woe, I always used to be cold when following calorie restricted low fat eating. NB I eat a lot of fat

black have been thinking about you - what biwi said earlier was the key to me - initially I wanted to lose a few pounds but the more I discover about how bad carbs are for your body, the more I can never go back to eating the way I used to. I second finding out as much as you can about it - one of my fav blogs is Zoe Harcombe - here is a blog post about WW which explains why VLCDs do not work and cannot work [http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2011/12/weight-watchers-new-years-day-advert/ blog]

I have decided to complain about the diet advice the dr gave me at my health assessment - it really was total rubbish and I feel I need to speak out

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 05-Mar-13 13:56:25
halfthesize Tue 05-Mar-13 14:21:42

Hi All, I am poorly at present so only just catching up on thread.

Don't know who posted about plate sizes, but love the idea of using our pasta bowls. I think portion size can definitely be a problem, I found that doing Ubercamp 2 weeks ago has sorted out my snacking and portion size, would recommend it grin

I have no appetite at present but am drinking lots of water, so hoping scales will be kind to me on Monday.

<slinks in to join BIWI, Nell, Sybil and Penny on the naughty step>

Have just had interview today (for part time temp job - have not worked since September - too much on with DS2's autism to work full time and the only opportunities I was getting were full - so really hoping I get it) so not had time to be on the thread at all but just caught up with it all.

A pound up for me. Serves me right. I drank too much champagne at my friend's fortieth and then committed carbicide with the canapes.

Bah. I had lost another pound and a bit on ubercamp too and was just one pound off losing a stone on bootcamp.

It's my birthday this weekend (oh and happy birthday slummy! Forgot to say at the time!) - my fortieth so lots on, going to Paris for weekend, can't wait! - so am not going to stress too much this week, just stick to the WOE with not much dairy to compensate for the likely increased amounts of wine and go back to ubercamp after my birthday.

And last but not least - wow half!!! Belated well done! You look amazing! thanks

NellVarnish Tue 05-Mar-13 16:19:45

OMG I had a cake today! shock

To be fair it was in aid of Red Nose Day fundraising which I was helping the y9's with and before I knew it, it had jumped down my throat and onto my arse.

I am doomed.

Doomed I tell you.

And I feel like death, I ache all over and I'm so t I r e d.


BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 16:27:51

<twitches big stick>

halfthesize Tue 05-Mar-13 16:30:24

Thanks ChoosandChips and I have fingers crossed for you, very jealous of your trip to Paris, hope you have an amazing Birthday thankssmile

Nell tomorrow is another day, as quoted up thread and if you are feeling rough, dont be too hard on yourself.

Remember this feeling nell, for the next time temptation strikes!

timidviper Tue 05-Mar-13 17:53:30

I have read something about low carb and a sort of thyroid syndrome with symptoms rather like those you describe Guy here Maybe BIWI and the others who know more could tell you if they know anything about this

jake on MFP you can change your targets for fat protein and carbs so that they don't go all red - I think in settings and maybe on a pc. If you can't find them I'll post proper instructions for you!

NellVarnish Tue 05-Mar-13 19:03:39


<flinches as Big Stick bounces off my bahookie>

NellVarnish Tue 05-Mar-13 19:04:58

Thanks halfthesize, at least you're sympathetic unlike this othe two. grin

Seriously I feel like death willie - is it the sugar?

NellVarnish Tue 05-Mar-13 19:06:22

Good luck with the job Choos and happy birthday for the weekend!

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Mar-13 19:12:25

Thanks for all your support guys, I really would have packed this in ages ago if it wasnt for you all. I have read loads about this WOE, so I know I want to eat this way for life, but it seems I am just maintaining my initial loss and was contemplating using a VLCD to get rid of the weight & eat low carb forever after (VLCD are low carb too, they work on ketosis). I know the science, I know this is the way to eat grin Im just not seeing evidence in myself that its getting rid of my extreme weight. You are all fab grin

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 19:17:09

Menu today

B 2 rashers bacon plus a fried egg fried in butter.
L smoked salmon, a tablespoon of guacamole, rocket salad and mayonnaise.

A few olives and feta cheese as snack plus
half an ounce of Cambazola cheese...yummy

D pork chop and buttered cabbage.

Loads of water to drink
One cup coffee with cream.

Total carbs 20 according to MyFitnessPal.....and I am under the calorie allowance......and I don't feel hungry smile))))))

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 19:18:28

Ooh thank you MrsHP, I didn't know that.....will go and have a look. Got no PC at the mo...am on iPad but guess I could check out the desktop site.

Good plan jake

black I've said it before and I'll say it again, get the tape measure out NOW. Measure your bust around the biggest bit, around your arms, thighs and tummy and then repeat weekly. You may well be losing inches all over, just that Zumba is making you all muscular! You never know...

nell, could be the sugar, could be the wheat/gluten?

sorry you're feeling so rotten, though

NellVarnish Tue 05-Mar-13 19:51:02

Aw thanks willie - maybe I'm coming down with something as well as having cake-induced torpor. grin

I echo BlackAffronted in saying that the support from everyone on these threads, and the hints and tips, and the ups and downs, and recipes and science behind it all has really kept me going, so thank you everyone! thanks


Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Mar-13 19:54:27

Happy birthday for the weekend choos.

Meals today:
B <whispers> lime mug cake with cream
L 2 hb eggs, feta, rocket, lettuce and Mayo
D Burger with flat mushrooms as the bun, bacon, mozzarella, cheddar, gherkin, onion, lettuce and mustard. Yum
Drinks: 1 coffee with cream, 1 sleepy time tea, 1 fruit tea, 2 cups of decaf tea, 1 glass of Pepsi Max, seriously slacked on the waterblush

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 19:55:25

Jake stop thinking about calories! Seriously. You really don't need to.

Black a VLCD is going to be low carb by definition - you won't be eating anything!

JakeBullet Tue 05-Mar-13 20:04:50

No it's okay BIWI grin, not really thinking about them at all.....hadn't considered them until I started the MyFitnessPal thing.

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 20:07:02

Phew! grin

thenightsky Tue 05-Mar-13 20:56:49

Bloody hell... !!!!

Talk about carb creep.

No wonder I've only lost a pound in three weeks.

Just joined this myfitnesspal thing and done my daily food for today - 54 carbs - I don't believe it shock

I was happily thinking I was running at about 20 or 25.

halfthesize Tue 05-Mar-13 21:12:39

Black I'm sure its been mentioned before, but are you doing a food diary?? Its amazing how much snacking/carb creep sneaks in and you dont even realise until you start writing it down.

I agree with MrsHP get the tape measure out fast.

Ruprekt Tue 05-Mar-13 22:29:11

My Food Diary today

4 THIN rashers smoked bacon.
Fried mushrooms in butter

L chicken breast heated in microwave with butter
gem lettuce

D. Dressed crab (1.5g carb)
100g fried cabbage in butter
Bag watercress with mayo

2 cups tea
1 coffee with semi sk milk
Peppermint tea

Will weigh in morning but was 184lb tonight!hmmhmmhmm

BIWI Tue 05-Mar-13 22:33:50

Thought you were doing Ubercamp? How come the dairy?!

Ruprekt you cannot weigh at night time!!! I can put on up to about 5 lbs in one day (maybe more if I weigh in my jeans!!!) by the end of the day after sloshing down all that water and eating all my meals. Always wait until the morning!

thenightsky just be careful as some of the carb counts on MFP are american way of counting which means they add the fibre and it all gets really complicated. Have a look at your total carbs and the fibre and subtract the fibre - that might put you down a bit...

B - none, haven't got my act together yet this week
L - lettuce/leaves with various salami and feta cheese crumbled. I also made a salad dresing from olive oil, cider vinegar and a squirt of lemon juice. Was delish!
D - pork loins with leeks with that cheesy sauce.

Water - loads! 2 cups of tea, two coffees (one decaf) with cream.

crazycatlady82 Wed 06-Mar-13 03:41:35

Ooh! Can I join?

I didn't know this was here. Although. Have 3 nights worth of m&s count-on-us to eat first hmm


JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 06:16:29

Welcome crazycatlady, this is a fabulous thread....and we have BIWI to keep us on the straight and narrow. Occasionally she joins us on the naughty step though lol.

I am drinking my "one coffee a day with cream", no breakfast until later as I just don't feel hungry yet. Might have to take a portable breakfast today as I am at the local SEN office about "transfer to secondary school" where I will hear how they will place my autistic DS in a mainstream secomdary and hope for the best hmm. And they will hear from me how that is NOT going to happen and they had better be ready for a fight.......and now thanks to this WOE I have the energy and the brain power to do it.grin

I am awake and ready to kick arse.....and low carbing all the way. Bring it on.grin

MsRinky Wed 06-Mar-13 07:15:04

Hello all. I put on a pound this week, too much celebrating. Never mind.

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 06-Mar-13 07:19:02

jake good luck today sounds like you have the Positive Mental Attitude you will need

you've just reminded me about another amazing side effect of this woe - PMA!

I would be a mess without this woe atm - ds2 up all night all the last week with horrific teething and I work full time - am coping OK confused

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 06-Mar-13 07:20:58

morning msrinky keep on keeping on I guess

I weighed myself yesterday and had lost 1/2 pound, felt that entitled me to eat lots of snacks and have pudding (yog + cream + berries+ pb)
still need to straighten out head

halfthesize Wed 06-Mar-13 07:32:44

brew good morning ladies.

I'm having a super strict day today after falling face first into some crisps last .nightblush
The sun is out again heregrin

crazycatlady82 Wed 06-Mar-13 07:35:07

Am I right thinking no milk? I usually start my day with a latte.

Could I have a soya latte? Or almond milk latte? Is at allowed?


crazycatlady82 Wed 06-Mar-13 07:41:07

Oops sorry, thought it was a pales diet! Milk is fine smile xx

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Mar-13 07:43:29

Yesterdays menu, before I forget!

B - 2 egg omlette with sprinkling of cheese
L - salad, coleslaw, steak fried in butter
S - chicken thigh, piece of smoked sausage
D - tandoori chicken kebabs with shallot, courgette & mushrooms, handfull of lettuce

... and Im down 3lbs. Just cutting my portions down yesterday, no uber or dairy removal yet! Maybe I was eating far too much! Drank more than 4.5 litres of water plus a few fruit teas.

Welcome crazycatlady!

Milk contains lots of sugars so it is best to reduce the quantity. Lots of us do continue to have a splash of milk in tea or coffee (trying to keep to only a couple of cups a day), or substitute double cream instead

I don't know very much about soy or almond milk, it would depend on the number of carbs, but I would say that a latte generally is not a good idea as it could be quite high carb, and trigger an insulin reaction.

Have you read up on low carbing? Biwi's written some fab info here and here and we are mostly following the rules of bootcamp here

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Mar-13 07:47:12

No crazycat, no milk! Try unsweetened almond milk or cream smile

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Mar-13 07:48:05

Alpro unsweetened almond milk is less than 1 carb per 100ml.

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 07:54:27

....will rush out and buy almond milk today...the unsweetened stuff. Hope it's not too weird in tea.

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Mar-13 08:02:18

Ive never had it in tea, I only ever used it to mix with a protein shake or to drink on its own.

captainmummy Wed 06-Mar-13 08:25:24

If you put almond or soya in tea, make sure the liquid is not too hot. Let it cool for a few minutes otherwise the milk curdles and looks horrible!

TheEarlyBird Wed 06-Mar-13 08:26:11

Tiptoeing in with my humble suggestion....... it took me less than one week to turn myself from a sugar-laden, milk-adding coffee drinker to a sugar-free, black coffee girl. Go on - give it a try!! (You'll lose the temptation to spit quite quickly and amaze yourself with how much better the flavour is.) works with tea too smile

Jacaqueen Wed 06-Mar-13 08:32:54

Morning all.

Sorry I am being so rubbish at posting. Spending a lot of time with MIL helping her get rid of some of FIL's clothes etc. Also trying to get my own house in order before the work starts on our much awaited extension.

I have sts this week. The scales keep fluctuating by a few pounds but are refusing to drop below 11st 12. I will not be beaten though. I will just keep at it and maybe this week I will get a nice whoosh. Feeling good at the moment and some of the clothes I bought at the end of January are getting loose which is great.

I have really cut back on dairy, still having too much alcohol though so I will work on that one.

Again apologies for not keeping up with the thread so I will just send hugs to those that need them and congratulations to those with something to celebrate.

PennyHofstadter Wed 06-Mar-13 09:18:05

Good morning, well after emotionally induced pizza madness on Monday I'm still feeling shockingly rough today. My stomach feels like a balloon and I'm so uncomfortable.

I was good yesterday; eggs in butter for breakfast, some ham slices with egg mayo for lunch (1.2g of carbs per 100g), snack was pork scratchings and steak with cabbage, brocolli and a blue cheese sauce (just blue cheese melted into some double cream) for dinner so I can only assume its the gluten/wheat in the pizza that's still having an effect. Somebody pop me!

EwanHoozami Wed 06-Mar-13 09:23:05

I converted a taxi driver to LC last night. He was bemoaning how his wife was making him eat cottage cheese and Ryvita (apparently it is the 70's in their house grin ) so I told him about steak cooked in butter and he dutifully wrote down the title of the Briffa book!

Heh heh.


B: Lidl yog
L: spinach omelette
D: Hake in hollandaise sauce with samphire (out at a Loch Fyne - yum)
s: teaspoon of peanut butter and some pork scratchings

theearlybird I really need to switch to black coffee but I find instant black gag-worthy and can't be faffed with cafetiere. Do you know an instant that tastes decent black?

Lol Ewan you crusader!

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Mar-13 09:27:58

Ohhh Ewan, I have always wanted to try samphire!

TheEarlyBird Wed 06-Mar-13 09:41:01

Ah Ewan - that may be the flaw in my argument. I only drink proper coffee - one of the features of living in foreign lands! Just two injections shots a day and I'm set for nearly anything.

Can someone remind me of the roasted red cabbage recipe? Going to try it with pork chops tonight, normally would braise it but fancy a change and can't be faffed with too many pans smile

BIWI Wed 06-Mar-13 10:12:46

Welcome, crazycatlady

I really, really, really don't like black coffee. But I also realise that it's probably stubbornness that makes me say that. Possibly also a bit of an addiction going on there?

But I also have to remind myself that I have lost 2 stones whilst still drinking the stuff, so it's probably not that much of a problem!

However, I think Ubercamp is probably a good thing to try out and just see the impact of cutting out both the caffeine and the dairy. I certainly need to do something to get myself back on track. I have one more family birthday coming up - DH on 20th - but obviously have a couple of weeks before that, so I really want to take myself in hand and finally get shot of the weight I've put back on since December.

<plumps up cushions on naughty step>

TheEarlyBird Wed 06-Mar-13 10:18:58

Definitely an addiction smile - but I do control my inner caffeine beast 99% of the time and am a strictly 2 times a day girl. Oh-er vicar!

thanks for all your good wishes for DD - she came home yesterday, don't really know what the problem was/is, but hey ho.

Anyway, I was actually reasonably good with hospital food - at lunch there was a salad bar with different protein options separately so I had salad leaves, cucumber, coleslaw and one day egg, the next cheese. Dinner was trickier as I had to choose between a sandwich, macaroni cheese or bean & veg curry with rice. I had the curry, but only ate half of it. There may have been chocolate and crisps as well though blush, but I'm not beating myself up about it, as I know I'm still in the "dealing with sugar addition" phase, and it was't just eating cos I was bored.

But I'm off for a couple of days for a client meeting and food is going to be tricky - two nights on a sleeper train with the complimentary breakfast being cereal and fruit juice (plus coffee and pastries at the station on the way back) followed by a girly lunch out, followed by a family child friendly tea. I'll do the best I can - the second morning will be OK as it's back to London so I can either find a cafe for a cooked breakfast, or just come straight home, but tomorrow I'm not sure I'll find anywhere open for breakfast. Lunch should be OK though.

Onwards and upwards though, the weight took a long time to get to this level, it will take a while to get off, and to retrain my brain.

BIWI Wed 06-Mar-13 11:58:41

Glad your DD is home.

Don't sweat it - if it's circumstances you can't control, there's not much you can do. However, you could always take a little cool bag with you, and buy some ham/cooked meats, or take some hard-boiled eggs. If you can find an M&S Food outlet at the station, you can buy handy stuff there - they do make some salads without pasta/noodles/rice/potatoes - although you have to look hard! They also do individual portions of cheese, which come in very handy, as well as prawns/cooked meats, etc.

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 12:15:37

Does anyone know hat Zoe Harcombe has against mushrooms. Doesn't allow them in her Phase 1 at all confused


B Coffee with cream then 30g cheese at 10:00 when I felt hungry.
L smoke salmon, rocket salad, 30g cheese ( no more cheese today), guacamole and mayo.
D....probably pork chop again with buttered cabbage,

Have been Pepsi Max free for nine days now and cravings all gone.smile

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 12:19:37

Projected carbs today is 8 smile.... And no way would I follow the Harcombe diet....although she is rig about the low carb thing.

BIWI Wed 06-Mar-13 12:34:05

I think it's probably to do with them being a fungus, and fungal stuff isn't great for candida - there are three conditions that she puts at the root of weight gain - candida, food intolerances an hypoglycaemia.

I think you need to eat more veg/carbs than 8g - it isn't enough! But glad you've cracked the Pepsi Max addiction

Bessie123 Wed 06-Mar-13 12:42:14

Hmm, I think I suffer from all 3 of Zoe Harcombe's baddies. I have a horrible headache today, I think it might be carb withdrawal after my weekend binge. Or a sinus infection grin

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 12:47:14

I actually think I have my combo wrong BIWI, what are the ratios I should be aiming for?

At the mo it's 78% fat shock

Will up the veg tonight and have mushrooms, and broccoli too.

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 12:54:05

Okay got it up to 16 with mushrooms, broccoli and five cherry tomatoes plus a snack of mixed olives

BIWI Wed 06-Mar-13 12:58:02

That sounds better!

BIWI Wed 06-Mar-13 12:58:57

Bessie - if you haven't read her book, it really is worth a read. I suffered with candida problems for years - used to get thrush every month - and I didn't realise how many other conditions it has been linked to (quite apart from weight gain).

black 3lbs down - whoop whoop - we all told you the whoosh would come, I am very glad it did.

I too have been fully back on track and have lost since Monday 4 lbs!!!!

QuickLookBusy Wed 06-Mar-13 14:17:46

Midnight so glad dd is back home.

Black so pleased you've lost 3 pounds!!

I'm feeling poorly today and very sorry for myself. Was supposed to be going to London for some shopping, all my trousers are too biggrin. Instead I am in my old joggers lying on the sofa feeling nauseous.

Guy - I'm feeling cold all the time too (apart from the occasional hot flush!) - DH said 'just wear layers' - I pointed out that I'm already wearing 3 layers on top and 2 on the bottom, including thermals - if I wear any more I'll look like the Michelin man! I keep telling myself that warmer weather is on its way - I just wish it would hurry up and get here!

Black on another low carb forum I frequent, many people are in favour of what they call a BAB (Big Ass Breakfast), and I kind of agree with them. Every day I have something like 3 fried eggs, 3 or 4 grilled rashers of bacon (yeah, I know it's not Bootcamp friendly, being processed and all that), plus some mushrooms cooked in butter. I find that I don't get hungry until the evening after that lot, I never feel the need to snack, and even dinner can be quite a small affair, because I'm just not wanting more. Congrats on the 3lb loss - but if you stall again, maybe give the BAB approach a try?

It's Day 213 for me today - still at home in Ireland so can't weigh (which is why I'm on the spreadsheet as STS for the past 3 weeks), but am comfortably into size 14s now (started at size 24), with some 12/14 jeggings also fitting. My travel date back to the UK is now March 22nd, so I may manage to get a final weigh in for the last week of Bootcamp smile

Bessie123 Wed 06-Mar-13 15:20:08

furrydogmother it sounds like you have lost plenty grin and black I am so pleased for you that you're losing too.

biwi I have always had that lower tummy shelf that can be indicative of candida but I definitely feel like it's going on this WOE.

captainmummy Wed 06-Mar-13 15:36:17

Furry - you're counting the days?grin You've done amazingly well to drop from size 24 to 14. Will be interested to know how much you've lost in your 213 days.

And how's the non-smoking going?

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Mar-13 15:38:49

Quick, hope you feel better soon sad

MrsHP the whoosh fairy has been busy this week, eh? wink

Furry, my Ds eats like that naturally (and incidently, is the skinniest one of us all!). He will eat a huge breakfast then just nibble the rest of the day. Might try eating that way from now on, I usually have time to make a large breakfast after the school run. Wow at getting into 12/14 after being a 24! Thats what I currently am, and cant even start to imagine wearing a 14 again - last time I was aged 13 sad

timidviper Wed 06-Mar-13 15:52:27

I went into work today and one of our ladies asked me when I was going to get some new trousers as mine look like clown pants! A very nice (if somewhat backhanded) compliment!
Problem is I think I have changed shape as one size down still feels too tight on me and makes me look like I have a gunt if you'll pardon the term.

Also spoke to a friend today who used to be a size 16-18, then a good few years ago lost weight to be a size 10 and has stayed there ever since. She told me that she initially started dieting on her own doing Atkins then, when she got near her goal weight and stuck, went to SW for the support but did all "red days" (low carb days) until maintenance when she brought some carbs back in. She says her way of eating is now just normal for her and she has no problem maintaining at all. What a great example she is!
She also told me that she found her portion sizes reduced naturally as she went along. When she first started breakfast was 3 eggs, then 2, then eventually 1 was enough.

Black So glad you feel you have made a step in the right direction.
I realised a while ago that I responded to feeling hungry almost in the same way as I would to pain. I know it sounds daft, and that feeling wasn't logical at all, but subconsciously I felt quite anxious at the thought of it so tended to overeat to avoid it. Realising that was a big step for me as I have been able to preempt some of my own sabotage.

Lavenderhoney Wed 06-Mar-13 16:26:25

Midnight, glad your dd is out of hospital and black, well done for the weight loss.
I am hovering at 65 kg and can't seem to move down. I already have smaller portion sizes!

My dd is poorly again, very sick, can't keep down her medicine and I even had to hose down the buggy. Another night of nursing coming up. She is asleep now but is very hot, headachy and usual ear/ throat nightmare, plus tummy ache. We spent all day at home with a visit to school to get ds and then doctors. I'm never away from the placesad ds wasnt hungry either so I am fully expecting him to get it.

Am having a pastis.

captainmummy yes, I keep a food diary, so I always know the number of days I've been doing this! I didn't have a starting weight (no scales) but I estimate it as around 16 stone - last time I weighed (about 4 weeks ago?) I was down to 11.5 stone, and I've definitely shrunk since then! My original goal was 11 stone, but I'm thinking I'll just keep going, because I'm quite happy with what I'm eating, and can't see a reason to change it. At age 53 I don't want to get too small (ha! never thought I'd say that!) because I have enough wrinkles already, thanksverymuch! Hopefully the weight loss will just naturally tail off as my smaller body needs less food to sustain it. We'll see!

The not smoking is going really well - I've taken up 'vaping' instead (like an e-cig, but a proper bit of kit that you can buy flavoured juices for) - I'm currently vaping chocolate flavoured juice - carb free! I'll be gradually cutting down on the nicotine content, and am hoping to be down to 0% nicotine by my birthday in June. Not had a single craving so far, I never thought it could be this easy. I've ordered some chocolate donut [sic] and vanilla custard flavoured juices too - if I can't eat them, I can at least vape them!

Black - do stick with this WOE - it may take time (213 days is around 7 months) but if I can do it, you can too. My way of thinking is that I know low carbing works, I know it's healthy, and I know I had to change what I was eating, because I was beginning to get ill because of my weight - breathless, heart palpitations, couldn't walk far without back pain etc. I didn't have scales, and so I didn't weigh myself, I just went with the flow, ate low carb, and carried on with life. Because of the not weighing, I was never disappointed in my weight loss, I was never frustrated by stalls, I never got hung up on small deviations (I do like my vodka and wine!) - I just ate the good stuff, and over time the weight has come off. It's been quite a while since I was this size, too!

Lavender sorry to hear your DD is sick again - hoping she feels better soon

halfthesize Wed 06-Mar-13 16:52:06


viper dont you just love those type of commentshmm, so when is the shopping trip?grin

Black I am so pleased to hear you are loosing againsmile

Glad to hear your DD is home Ishall and I hope your DD gets well soon Lavender

Ruprekt Wed 06-Mar-13 17:13:49

Biwi - i have cut out cream and cheese completely and just have 2 sploshes ss milk in tea! That cannot be too bad!

B 3 slices thin bacon, fried egg

L chicken breast with butter, bag watercress, gem lettuce, mayo

D lamb, celeriac mash, swiss chard cooked in butter

S 1 pck pork scratchings

2 teas with ss milk
1 coffee with ss milk

How does this look?

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 17:21:15

I absolutely love celeriac. ...its fab

Well done to everyone who is so inspiring! I am so hungry today, I can't think why! I've had:
B - 150g Lidl yog L- smoked salmon trimmings mixed with two big spoons of ff cream cheese mushed into little gem leaves and D - will be pork chop, red cabbage and creamy leeks/kale. But, in addition have snacked on a few cocktail sausages, a little pack of pork scratchings, two pick and mix cheeses and a slice of ham. Oh, and two cups of tea with a tiny bit of milk, and gallons of water.

This is too much snacks, right??

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 17:56:47

Starvibg....at unexpected children's party. DS came out of school clutching an invite he'd had for two weekshmm

Starvibg.....and there are crisps in my bag Save me!

Ruprekt Wed 06-Mar-13 18:06:11

Water, water, water!!! Any cocktail sausages?

BIWI Wed 06-Mar-13 18:20:55

BLACK I didn't see your earlier post! WOO HOO! thanks

You must be really pleased!

Ruprekt Wed 06-Mar-13 18:30:31

Hey Biwi!smile

Could you look at what I am eating to check please.
Am going caffeine therefore milk free tomorrow.

BIWI Wed 06-Mar-13 18:33:54


B 3 slices thin bacon, fried egg

Potentially not much food here if the bacon is really thin. I'd also be inclined to have two eggs

L chicken breast with butter, bag watercress, gem lettuce, mayo

Chicken breast is very low in fat - but I assume that hyou are frying in butter? I would actually consider an oily dressing on your watercress/lettuce, so you up the fat a little

D lamb, celeriac mash, swiss chard cooked in butter

Looks fine - assume there's some fat in the celeriac mash?

S 1 pck pork scratchings

I'm not wild about this, because they are highly processed (and you've already had bacon today

Overall it's not too bad, just keep an eye on your fat levels. And how much water?

Ruprekt Wed 06-Mar-13 18:43:17

Thanks biwi.

2 eggs and bacon with fried mushrooms tomorrow then. smile

Chicken was precooked so I added a knob of butter to the top before I heated in the microwave. Had mayo with salad. Full fat.

Celeriac mash will have butter but no cream though I love cream!

Is chard good for LC? Have blanched it and will fry in butter.

I weighed out 100g savoy cabbage (5g carb) and was surprised how little it was! I must've had double which means 10g carb without noticing!

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 18:58:59

I resisted the crisps but I the absence of water had my first diet coke to keep me from touching the crisps (it worked) and even better I feel no other diet come cravings......eating omelette, bacon, mushrooms, salad etc.

It was the party from hell though.....on roller skates and DS is autistic and Dyspraxic and hysterical. By 4:45pm I was close to tears so I did really really well NOT to touch the crisps.

NellVarnish Wed 06-Mar-13 19:49:44

Wow FurryDog that's fabulastic, well done!

Great news Black on the arrival of the Whoosh Fairy! She's not made an appearance here yet. hmm

NellVarnish Wed 06-Mar-13 19:54:06

Great news that your DD is home Midnight. smile

I've been soso today, not as achy or tired.

Menu Chez Nell

B: lidl yoghurt
L: tuna with mayo, shredded lettuce and cucumber
D: half a salmon fillet, roasted cauli and broccoli
S: lidl yoghurt and linseed

I love that yoghurt but think I might be overindulging in it BIWI. Likewise the pork scratchings. blush

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Mar-13 20:10:32

Furry, my DH has given up smoking with the vapour thingy as well. he has cherry, vanilla and blackcurrant vapour liquids! He hated the tobacco flavours and hasnt touched a real cigerette in 5 weeks. Very proud of him.

Just been given the date for my sons eye surgery, Im a bit nervous about it sad Its just cosmetic, he has a squint & they are going to straighten it, but I feel guilty for putting him through an op & pain for his looks. I had it done myself at his age, and I am very grateful that my mum went ahead with it, so I hope he thanks me one day.

Have just got home from Zumba, so its shower & early night (it totally tires me out). Only managed just under 4 litres of water today sad

You and me both nell. In our house 1 tub of that yogurt disappears every bloody day! shock Not just me, I hasten to add, though I do have it for "pudding" after every meal. DD also has it three times a day, and DH twice. They better keep making the stuff!

Ladies, my new breakfast.... I give you buttered broccoli and boiled eggs (about 5 mins, so you can halve them and plonk them on the broccoli and the yolk is soft but doesn't dribble out everywhere). Lots of salt and pepper. Gorgeous.

And courgettes lightly fried in butter, with mozzarella. Fabulous, and was lunch with a pork steak and half a tomato.

A good day today.
Yesterday I was really missing my old food and wanting some cheesy pasta bake and other much loved favourites. In the end we went, erm, mindfully off plan after a disappointing dinner and made a small batch of scotch pancakes (but with oats) which were lovely.
And then I woke up this morning feeling all undeprived due to the lovely treat and very much looking forward to a proper low carb day.

Woohooohooooo black!!!! So happy the Whoosh Fairy has finally visited you! You bloody deserve it, you have worked so hard at this, and stuck with it despite getting disheartened - well done! thanks

Welcome crazycatlady - the unsweetened Alpro soya and Alpro light are also very low carb (just don't go anywhere near the Original with its allegedly "subtle, sweet taste" hmm)

MsRinky a pound in champagne grin Good and well-deserved celebration!

midnight I'm glad you're out of the hospital and hope the not knowing is not too worrying.

timid well done on the trousers back-handed compliment - love it!

jake hope today's meeting went well with the PMA - my DS is also autistic but only about to be 4 so all that is still ahead of us, not looking forward to it, it is a long and hard and often lonely journey - my sympathies thanks And hope you survived the party!

half joining you on the naughty step I fell into a couple of poppadoms last night - had asked DH to order me just chicken tikka and veg and then he ordered loads of poppadoms and said "I didn't realise you weren't allowed them" hmm when I've told him I can barely have carrots and tomatoes hmm and he's reasonably intelligent hmm and the bloody things were sitting too enticingly in front of me and I caved, bah. I have been so good up until now on the food front but think it is partly that I am demob happy about my fortieth and going away.

Mmm those breakfasts sound yummy spilt!

Me today:
B: boiled egg and ham
L: left over takeaway (but just the chicken and veg this time)
S: kids' meatballs
D: tuna and very garlicky french beans, I'm afraid also with some wine

JakeBullet Wed 06-Mar-13 22:16:17

Am deleting the MyFitmessPal app as its freaking me out. All that "fat is bad for you" stuff has run deep.

Oops sorry jake just saw that you did update us on the party - sorry it was so tough (parties are hell with my DS too) and very well done for resisting!

Bessie123 Wed 06-Mar-13 22:37:28

I do not need a hot cross bun. I do not need a hot cross bun. I do not need a hot cross bun.

NellVarnish Wed 06-Mar-13 22:46:37



halfthesize Wed 06-Mar-13 22:50:24

chooseandchips popadoms yummygrin though of course we will never be bad againwink

Bessie123 Wed 06-Mar-13 22:57:06

grin it's ok, I won't eat one

But I want to

Good plan jake!

Well another win at netball tonight and another good day - I had a treat of diet coke in the pub with a packet of pork scratchings - I know how to live on the wild side!

B - three rashers of bacon and a coffee
L - salad with chicken and chorizo
D - cauliflower cheese and leftover lamb kleftiko from Monday

Tonnes of water, a diet coke and pork scratchings in the pub.

Just seen a mouse in my house though downstairs and it has freaked me out. I know it can't hurt me, but I just hate the scurrying around out the corner of my eye.

NellVarnish Wed 06-Mar-13 23:37:20

grin I know the feeling Bessie, that awful pull towards something you know is no good for you but you STILL WANT IT!

Bessie123 Wed 06-Mar-13 23:59:21

Yes, nell. And I bought a big bar of mint chocolate today. I don't know why because I'm not going to eat that either (honest). I keep putting on then losing then putting on the same half a stone and I have a couple of stone to lose. I am about half a stone off a comfortable size 12 so I at least have to hold off being a sugary twat till then

JakeBullet Thu 07-Mar-13 06:04:52

Felt like I had lost no weight so far this week so stood on scales just now....I can confident,y say I am headed for another good loss this week grin.

Feel better after the nightmare at yesterday's rollerskating party.....so so hard when DS is like this as just no reasoning with him and he becomes obnoxious and rude while sobbing hysterically.....I just wanted to cry too. Thank god he suddenly settled down and then enjoyed the last half of it. Now he wants roller skates and lessons hmm

Was so so proud of myself resisting the crisps as I am a crisp addict (really and truly) and an emotional eater. They are going in DS's lunch box today.

Have an interview day as well......9:30am- 2:30pm, being assessed for my suitability as a Family Support Worker. Hope I will do fine as I am an ex HV and loved family support work. The potential employer has said that they will "provide lunch" but I will take cheese, ham and salad with mayo and drink water.

Iamaslummymummy Thu 07-Mar-13 07:19:20


My son is 7 and also on the spectrum. I sway between happy if he is invited to a party and worried about whether he'll cope. Has only been invited to 1 party in 2 years though sad

2lbs down today from last week pre-toilet. Still not down to 150.4 which is my lowest during bc but down to 151.2 which I'm happy with. smile

I can't buy any hot cross buns. They are my down fall blush

MaryBeardfanclub Thu 07-Mar-13 07:22:00

well done jake

bought some pulled ham hock from wait rose for a snack yesterday (my office is above a lovely big wait rose [expensive]
on the back of the packet under the nutrition guidelines is a table showing guideline daily amounts as follows:
calories 2000
fat 70g
saturates 20g
salt 6g
sugars 90g

I was shock at the last one - sugars 90g... it's supposed to be 50% of intake and the maths don't add up (90g fat x 9 cal = 810 cal; 90g sugars x 4 cal = 360 cal that's only 1170 cal confused)

no wonder we have an obesity crisis on our hands

I had a quick peek at a 5:2 thread cos my mum is doing a diet where you eat normally 5 days then drink milk and eat veg only 2 days and she has lost weight - just reading that thread made me realise how i have changed - a lot of the suggestions for diet days were processed c**p eg packet soup. A year ago I would have thought that was normal. So glad I found this woe. To sum up Zoe Harcombe (love her) "Eat real food"!

halfthesize Thu 07-Mar-13 07:24:10

.*Jake*well done for resisting crisps and good luck for today.smile
I am just having a lovelybrew and then have tonnes of housework to do after school/pre school runs, but still feeling rough, this silly bug seems to be lingeringsad
Bessie well done for resisting temptation, honestly after my blip earlier this week I can assure you it's not worth ithmm

fantastic black, so pleased the scales are moving

bravo jake on resisting last night under such difficult circumstances. it really is one of the hardest things to do, and if you've done it once you can do it again. good luck for today!

LavenderBriggs Thu 07-Mar-13 07:39:15

Morning all.

Being between jobs is still being stressful. I got some freelance work which had to be done 'now!', hang on, the info isn't right, hurry up! Panic! Got that all done and sent off on time, but I kind of wish I was back to structured working days.

Well done to everyone who is resisting bready snacks - I stopped eating bread about 18 months ago because I'd worked out that it was making me fat and bloated. I was working in a team and a colleague brought in some hot cross buns - they smelt gorgeous, they were all shiny and pretty and I thought 'I haven't had bread in ages, how could one bun hurt?'. Very big mistake that. I was doubled up in pain, had a huge bloated tum and had to keep rushing to the loo. They are very pretty and they smell lovely, but then again, so do scented candles.

One quick question - I've been having ham with my scrambled eggs, but I don't want to eat as much processed meat, what is a good addition to scrambled eggs?

TheEarlyBird Thu 07-Mar-13 07:57:06

Hi BIWI - I am preparing to go it alone when you abandon us after next week smile. I am reading John Briffa's Escape The Diet Trap and think it seems like a good route for me. Will I do ok on it and do you have any advice on portion control for things like nuts/fruit etc which I am worried might derail me. Really sorry to be pestering you - maybe it's all in the book - but I really want to have your opinion. <guru emoticon>.

Lavender you could try customising the eggs?
I like them with spring onions, chilli and grated cheese. Give the onions and chilli a min in the butter before you add the eggs, and then sprinkle in the cheese when the egg is almost done.
Or dried thyme added to the egg mix, and then a sprinkling of cheese again.
You might want an extra egg if you do these though to make up for the lack of ham.

They are also good with garlic butter mushrooms.

BIWI Thu 07-Mar-13 08:24:54


I won't be abandoning you - we will keep a rolling chat thread going, so you need not fear!

I can't really tell you how much of anything you should be eating, because everything is so individual. That's the task for all of us as we reach our target weight - to work out what we can/can't eat to maintain our weight.

What you mustn't do, of course, is suddenly increase your carb intake massively. That way madness lies! But start off by adding a small amount - say an extra portion of fruit, or a handful of nuts. And see what happens.

The other thing that Briffa says is that as long as you're following the WOE 80% of the time, you will be fine. So if Friday is pizza evening, nothing to stop you having pizza if you want to (and if you can tolerate it, obviously).

But you need to be super-vigilant. My own rule of thumb is to have a 5lb 'margin'. So identify what you desired weight is, that you want to maintain, but accept that your weight will go up occasionally. If it goes more than 5lbs higher than your desired weight, then go back to a few strict days.

TheEarlyBird Thu 07-Mar-13 08:43:15

BIWI thanks - love the 5lbs (or for Europeans like me - 2kg) rule. Will be my new mantra smile.

Off to finish reading Briffa. I think my challenge now is healthy, sustainable woe once I have shifted those pesky last 3kg

BIWI Thu 07-Mar-13 08:46:32

Ah yes. That last pesky half stone ...

LavenderBriggs Thu 07-Mar-13 08:47:21

Thanks Spilt, that sounds lovely. I think I"m being a bit lazy because opening a packet of ham is so easy, but I'll start thinking about this properly. I've already had breakfast, but my mouth is watering at the thought of buttery spring onions and garlic in my scrambled eggs smile

QuickLookBusy Thu 07-Mar-13 09:14:22

They've just mentioned on the news about eating too much processed meat. I think I buy too much of the stuff for lunches and snacking- ham, little cooked sausages, salami, Parma ham etc. May have to have a rethink.

I'm very down in the dumps this morning. I was supposed to have a day out and then meet friends for dinner yesterday. I've got a bug so spent all day on the sofa. Dh did go and meet the friends for dinner. Guess who was on the next table? My future second husband Johnny Depp.
I am beyond miffed, I've missed my chance haven't I sad

DH said he was with a six foot, beyond gorgeous woman, who had on a flesh coloured body suithmm. Well in my dreams he took one look at me and whisked me off forever. Do you think I'm a bit delusional? grin.

LavenderBriggs Thu 07-Mar-13 09:35:52

I'm going to go back to something I used to do for work. I'd buy some nice chicken breasts and marinate them. I'd chop the meat up and put it into bags with Thai flavours or garlic and lemon, then bung them in the freezer, then take them out as needed and roast them. Each bag would be good for two lunches and I'd just chuck it into some salad. I might have a go at that today (DH in Germany for meeting so I need to find something fun to do hmm

BIWI Thu 07-Mar-13 09:46:22

Well, it wouldn't have made any difference, Quick, because he is waiting for me.

Ah Johnny Depp...used to have a picture of him laminated onto the cover of one of my dreariest sixth form text books... I am just waiting for the kids to get into Pirates of the Caribbean.

Mushrooms are also good with scrambled egg (you can even microwave them if you're feeling lazy rushed). Also any kind of eggs are good with leftover root vegetable dauphinois/tartiflette.

Scrambled eggs with smoked salmon for me this morning.

Ditto slummy - I get pleased when DS is asked, as normally he isn't, but in reality it is always a nightmare. Can imagine that if they are at all sensory seeking (mine is) roller skating would go down well!

BlackAffronted Thu 07-Mar-13 11:13:32

Mmmm..... Johnny Depp .....

Timid (aka my evil twin) was it you who mentioned the Big Ass Breakfast? Well, whoever it was, I took that advice today! Had 3 eggs, 2 bacon & 2 spoons Greek Yog for breakfast at 7am and I am obviously still stuffed. Id usually have a snack about now, but I feel fine and know I can last till my lunch at 1/2pm.

Iamaslummymummy Thu 07-Mar-13 12:10:56

I too had a big ass breakfast. 3 bacon, 2 eggs and mushrooms in butter. Yum!

BlackAffronted Thu 07-Mar-13 12:35:09

Just added some photos to the Food Porn thread here Hope some more of you can add some pics! I love food porn grin

JakeBullet Thu 07-Mar-13 12:39:09

Lunch provided at my assessment day.....sandwiches, quiche, sausage rolls, Pringles and fruit.

Bought my own lunch thankfully but confessing to three (1,2, 3) Pringles. I wonder what the carb count is per Pringle grin .

<wanders off to Google>

I think there's definitely something in the Big Ass Breakfast Theory - I sadly think my beloved Lidl yogurt isn't quite enough at the moment. Just had a delicious lunch of pate spread on cucumber slices with a green and avocado salad with home made dressing, yum.

Jake only three Pringles is a heroic effort smile And Black I keep thinking half way through a meal that I should have taken a picture of it, I will try harder!

BlackAffronted Thu 07-Mar-13 13:12:36

Yes, remember to take photos :D

MaryBeardfanclub Thu 07-Mar-13 13:33:57

the processed meat advice:

Should we cut down or cut out?

Definitely cut down, ideally including leaner cuts of meat, and more pulses and vegetables in your family's diet.

"My recommendation is to limit the [total] amount of meat to about 300g to 600g a week," says lead researcher Sabine Rohrnman. "I'd say it's fine to eat bacon and sausages, but not in high amounts and not every day."

I am going to investigate further because the lead researcher is quoted as saying limit ALL meat even although this study is not looking at ALL meat (I dont know why she would extend the study results to all meat, this is not warrented and not scientific).

2ndly this kind of study is called an epidemiological study - ie looks at patterns and then infers a link - this kind of study is used by the media to say well X causes Y but this is not science, it's bunkum

will report back...

colette Thu 07-Mar-13 13:48:15

blackaffronted you are the queen of food porn! love the pictures.
Think I have lost a 1lb- my scales are difficult to read so I am just going with that and if I sts next week will be fine with that.

i tend to try to keep down the amount of processed meat i have - i limit bacon to weekend breakfasts, I don't like sausages, and very occasionally i get gammon or a ham joint, or have antipasti type meats at a restaurant. this is more to do with avoiding artificial ingredients than anything else

they do talk about other risk factors that tend to go alongside a diet high in processed meat (smoking, obesity), but i would venture that these could well be people who eat a high-carb diet as well as one high in processed meats

halfthesize Thu 07-Mar-13 14:49:46

Johnny Depp, now thats yummy grin

AND low carb grin

halfthesize Thu 07-Mar-13 15:22:09

you read my mind Williegrin

JakeBullet Thu 07-Mar-13 16:43:35

Ah.....just spoken with my GP, told her I was now doing LCHF and she said........"that's fine, just watch the protein" grin.

Thank goodness for enlightened GPs .

Dinner tonight is chicken thighs x2 with skin on, celeriac mash, mushrooms done in butter and rocket salad with mayo.

What ratios should we be aiming for BIWI?

EMUZ Thu 07-Mar-13 16:59:19

This WOE has stabilised my blood sugars. I have some bizarre thing where they drop low v quick (not diabetic) and I've never had a blood sugar reading over 5
Previously I had one day eaten breakfast at 7am, then eaten (crap) again at 9.30am. By 10am my sugars were below 2 and I passed out at work blush
Had to go to hospital as despite gel and mars bars my sugars wouldn't come up
Today (late shift last night) I've had scrambled eggs with butter and bacon and still no hunger and no shakes

Lavenderhoney Thu 07-Mar-13 17:14:17

Johnny Deppsmile I dream of bumping into him at airports as I think that is the only place our paths might cross. Sadly I think he will cast one horrified glance at me travelling alone with 2 small and overexcited dc and run for the first class loungesmile

I have been keeping at it, and I have been having the bab nearly every morning since the start of this woe- it stops me snacking, I don't need more than a small lunch and I have a small but tasty dinnersmile

I have had some chocolate tonight but dd is better and has to be bribed with a small square of very good chocolate to have her medicine and she insisted I share with hersmile first bit since 7 jan. it was lovely...

BIWI Thu 07-Mar-13 17:31:43

Jake - I wouldn't worry too much about precise ratios - that will send you doolally! And the whole idea of Bootcamp is that you don't have to weigh/count anything.

As long as you are eating fat:protein:carbohydrate, then that is all that matters (And, obviously, that the amount of carbs isn't hooooge!)

EMUZ - I'm glad to hear it!

MaryBeard - it's really irritating in studies when they lump processed meats in with fresh/unprocessed meats! But, honestly, how can something that we have been eating since time immemorial be that bad for us? It makes logical sense that meats (and fish) that have been stuffed with all manner of flavourings and preservatives are not going to be so good for us.

Blimey jake well done on three pringles, that is more hardcore than none! I can have none. Or I can have half the tube. Stopping at three is a feat impossible.

I made the slow cooker tikka masala from the recipe thread for dinner, it was really good. Made with sag turnip grin by using this recipe and subbing spuds for turnips, and a courgette curry side dish which were both also very yum. Obv used less onion than instructed.

It was made a more catastrophic evening by me being in a flap trying to cook 3 new recipes simultaneously and knocked the pan of courgette curry off the hob. Across my shoes, jeans, washing machine, dishwasher, floor, cupboards.... Did a quick sod it and scoop back in the pan and we ate it anyway but it was one hell of a clear up!

Choos I love the idea of leftover tartiflette fried up with eggs. But there will never be any leftover tartiflette here it was too damn tasty and we are pigs!

Quick it's a shame processed meat isn't so good for you, as I love love love the smokey taste. At least with bacon, chorizo etc they are such good flavours you only need a little to flavour a dish, or a more boring mild meat like chicken.

Something else I am grateful to Bootcamp for...
My DD now loves broccoli smile I think the secret is slathering it in melted butter and salt and pepper. She was like a little hoover pig snaffling it all off of my plate (I made some as a mid afternoon snack). I pretended I wanted it all, but i was genuinely thrilled that she was eating it so happily and I didn't have to mush it into her dinner. thanks

BIWI Thu 07-Mar-13 19:27:14

What really irritates me is that despite saying 'processed meat is bad for you' (which I can understand might be true), no-one actually seems to have any idea why.

So far today, it has been suggested that:

- it's because it's wrapped in plastic
- it contains too much salt
- it contains too much saturated fat


Nothing to do with the artificial ingredients, then?

Oh by the way I solved the cold butter problem in the end. The answer is to halve a radish and put a slice of butter on each half, dip them in some salt and eat. Oh yes!

I quite fancy making a veggie lasagne of sorts. I have never made a non meat lasagne before at all, so doing so sans pasta is an extra challenge. Does anyone have a recipe?

BlackAffronted Thu 07-Mar-13 20:38:33

my big ass breakfast really worked! no snacks at all today smile smile thank you for that advice, whoever it was. I did a bit of googling about it, and have been reading about leptin resetting, so I think I'm going to keep at it.

b - 2 bacon, 3 eggs, 2 spoons greek yog

l- 2 chicken thighs with crispy skin, 3 asparagus spears, 4 button mushrooms, splash of cream

d - big piece of crackling, tablespoon pulled pork, tablespoon swede dauphinois and a tablespoon of buttered leeks. square of dark choc.

all that really filled me up, I'd usually eat 2 - 3 times that amount at dinner! feeling fab.

Ruprekt Thu 07-Mar-13 21:07:38

B bacon, 2 eggs and celeriac mash

L meatballs and celeriac mash (love the stuff!smile)

D HM coleslaw, broccoli with anchovies, ham

S 2 mini pepperami, babybel, cucumber and a mushroom

2 teas
Peppermint tea


Weighing tomorrow.

Ruprekt Thu 07-Mar-13 21:08:54

And i nipped to M&S tonight. Got a beef joint for 50p!!!!!

And ham for 50p and yumyums! 50p!!!!! gringringringrin

Dh was impressed.

mumat39 Thu 07-Mar-13 21:50:27

Splitthetea, I remember watching a hairy bikers episode where they cooked a lasagne using leeks instead of pasta. It looked really yummy and the people who ate it didn't miss the pasta. They opened the leeks out so that each layer was like a sheet, blanched them in hot salty water I think and then dried them on tea towels.

I nearly spilled our evening meal tonight. Luckily I managed to save it. I have recently leaned our look so would have also scooped it up and had it anyway. grin

mumat39 Thu 07-Mar-13 21:51:46

Here's a link to the recipe

mumat39 Thu 07-Mar-13 21:52:54

Oh, sorry. Just realised you said veggie lasagne. Sorry blush

timidviper Thu 07-Mar-13 23:12:21

I think on an earlier bootcamp somebody tried that and found it hard to serve the lasagne as the leek sheets didn't cut easily. I think someone suggested making it with cheese slices instead of pasta

I'm going to have to rethink my breakfasts a bit as I have bacon or sausage most mornings

Bessie123 Thu 07-Mar-13 23:42:04

I haven't found a way of making veggie lasagne yet but have done something a bit similar with slices of Edam instead of lasagne. And no cheese sauce. Or a kind of veg moussaka with swede instead of potato. And I used cream and cheese instead of a bechamel sauce.

Lavenderhoney Fri 08-Mar-13 04:36:14

You could make an Aubergine moussaka or lasagna by slicing Aubergine very thinly, salt and leave for a while, then rinse, making a sauce with leeks, courgettes, spinach whatever pan fried in butter til very soft and then make tomato sauce but thinly as tomatoes are if I remember rightly are not very low carb, and use sliced Mozarella in it too or melt your left over cheese into the sauce and layer - You can also use a plain yogurt as a topping with a bit of Parmesan.

Just be careful if doesn't become ratatouillesmile

JakeBullet Fri 08-Mar-13 06:34:09

Right.....jut established that I cannot do the BAB (Big Arse Breakfast), at east not this time of the morning anyway. Ho hum, three rashers of bacon and a bit if fried egg were very nice though. Will monitor how long it fills me up for and if I can be bothered to do this again.

Well offer DS egg, cold sausage but fresh crispy bacon for brekkie this morning (am a good Mum lol) then see how he does today with food.

It's Mothers Day breakfast at school this morning.....am going but taking fizzy water with me. Will offer to help so will stay away from the pastries and bacon sarnies grin.

Cannot quite believe how I have changed my mindset. I could never do this for fat but the thought "ooh look at all those carbs" really DOES keep me away from the food in the way that "ooh look at all that fat" DIDN'T grin.

I mean...feck.....I actually have PERMISSION to enjoy my bacon rind and pork crackling. I have always felt so guilty eating them.....not anymore....eating them with relish and feeling full.

MaryBeardfanclub Fri 08-Mar-13 07:01:27

I've read this study and it says several times in the report that there was a statistical significance only for higher consumption of processed meat - no association of early death with non processed meat consumption - so why did the media quote say to limit red meat as well as processed meat?

the numbers are: of the 448,568 participants in the study there were 26344 deaths and of those the authors reckon 790 would have lived longer if they reduced processed meat consumption below 20g per day.

The intro to the paper states that meat "has several potential nutritional benefits but also some potential adverse effects". The 'drawback' to meat apparently is the high content of cholesterol and saturated fatty acids both of which have been shown to be "positively associated with LDL concentrations and risk of coronary heart disease."

my take on it is that the lead researcher thinks the above so she thinks to be on the safe side you should limit all meat even although her study does not support that statement. confused

later on in the report is mentioned the fact that there was a statistical significance in processed meat consumption and early death amongst MEN ONLY - eg in the highest processed meat category 29 women died early and 194 men died early.

there is a statistically signify association between processed meat consumption and smoking

so all my researches reveal that statistics can say many things depending on the message you want to give

NB I have read somewhere other research which says that the LDL raised by red meat of of the large fluffy variety which is good. off to see if I can find it again

ps morning all!

JakeBullet Fri 08-Mar-13 07:16:13

The study is full of confounders......but I would say it is processed meat which IS the issue and agree that the lead researcher should NOT be extrapolating this to all meat.

....anyway I weighed myself last Friday and had lost 6lbs.....this week I have lost another 6lbs........will weigh again on Monday for the spreadsheet but have gone from 237lbs to 224lbs....according to Google....which appears to make me 13lb lighter. However I know I was 16 stone 12 and three quarters on 25th Feb. I am now 15lb 13 and three quarters. Wow wow wow....rounded it up to 16 stones though.

Today as focus on fluids as am not sure I drank enough yesterday....so will buy lots of sparkling water today and keep filling my other water bottle from the tap.

BlackAffronted Fri 08-Mar-13 07:46:54

Just had my BAB - 2 eggs omlette, 2 chicken thighs & a wee bowl of greek yog. Going to do this leptin reset thing for 8 weeks. It is basically eating a BAB early in the morning, leaving 4 hours between meals, eating dinner at least 3 hours before bedtime and no snacking. Oh and eating low carb, of course!

Getting my nails done today, it was a birthday present from 2 of my best friends smile Cant wait, I never treat myself to things such as nails smile

lovely post jake thanks

sybilfaulty Fri 08-Mar-13 08:17:43

Hi girls

Having a work nightmare and about to start for the day. Had egg mayo and ham on lettuce. I do eat too much processed meat so I need to cut that back.

I had lettuce with butter yesterday. God it was good. Nice and crunchy with all the buttery taste. Better than toast! Yum.

Glad to see you are well on the way Jake. Great news.

Hope everyone had a lovely day.

LavenderBriggs Fri 08-Mar-13 08:19:58

Jake you've come so far in such a short space of time - it's really inspiring to read your posts.

EMUZ - wow! You've solved your blood sugar problem, no medication, just a change in eating - well done, you must be so happy.

I accidentally weighed myself this morning (DH away, need to fill the time...) and I seem to have lost another pound. And another half inch from my waist. The shape change is interesting for me, as I'm losing weight but not looking 'ribby' or drawn. I treated myself to mushrooms fried in butter, fried eggs, two Black Farmer sausages and a huge coffee with cream. It fits the profile of a BAB, so I'm going to see how long it takes me to feel hungry.

Excellent post mary I was going to post some similar things but you've explained it brilliantly. This website is a fun way I show my students that you can generally make statistics show whatever you want if you have an agenda of any sort! crazy correlations

Having said that I am sure that unprocessed things will always in general be either for you - I am just not at all convinced that study shows you will die early if you eat bacon!

LavenderBriggs Fri 08-Mar-13 08:22:48

Forgot - thanks for advice around breakfast. I bought some chicken breasts and made up three bowls of marinade (Thai, tarragon and a garlic and sumac one), then chopped the chicken up into small chunks, split it between the bowls and bagged it up in 120g portions. I've got about 15 bags of marinading chicken in the freezer, so that should break up the ham or plain eggs nicely.

timidviper Fri 08-Mar-13 08:43:12

I think with this study it is important to realise there is a difference between a correlation and causality. I know they adjusted for some factors but do not know if they have absolutely proved causality. (Rather like the fat raises your cholesterol argument which I have heard is not proven)

Black Heres another evil twin moment from your older sister! I bit my nails from childhood, for my 50th some friends bought me acrylic nails and manicure to be done before my week of parties. The salon were very encouraging, I kept going and have stopped biting my nails! (I wonder if I could claim having nails has increased my weight?! grin)

BIWI Fri 08-Mar-13 08:44:18

<clears throat>

You see, there is a reason why rule no 10 of Bootcamp is about avoiding artificial ingredients ...

I know you all think I just make these things up willy nilly


Ilovemyteddy Fri 08-Mar-13 08:52:34

Splithetea I slice courgettes lengthways with a mandoline to make the 'pasta' for lasagne and make the bechamel sauce with cooked broccoli zapped into a sauce with Parmesan. I do a meat version of the pasta sauce, but would think that a mix of onions, peppers, mushroom and tomatoes with loads of garlic and herbs would do the trick.

Waves at everyone. Sorry I've not been around much. Still LC-ing and down to 150lbs this morning smile

prettybird Fri 08-Mar-13 09:11:24

I have a great American recipe which, rather than bechamel sauce, uses ricotta (or cottage cheese) mixed with beaten egg, layered with mozzarella and parmesan - and then the ragu sauce and pasta (or for a low carb version, the "sheets" of leeks or ribbons of courgettes).

i do a quick courgette bake (not really like lasagne but it has the flavours)

courgettes cut into strips about 2-3mm thick, roasted in oil until soft

layer courgettes with mozzarella and passata (not much needed - a spoonful or so per layer), topped with mozzarella and some grated parmesan

BIWI Fri 08-Mar-13 09:22:36

thanks ilovemyteddy - well done

JakeBullet Fri 08-Mar-13 10:09:18

Well done to all the other losers too.....

I have just come from a coffee morning at DS's school and had a bacon roll because DS was desperate to have one with me. I felt bad about not joining in with him so had it.....going to see what effect the bread has now I have been eschewing it for the last two and a bit weeks. So I chewed every mouthful 20 times and out it down between bites. It was nice but not so nice I want another one......back to low Carbing again now.

I have become positively evangelical about this WOE since starting it. I can't claim to have been an absolute angel on bootcamp, the odd diet coke has been had, some peanuts and some walnuts (about seven halves) and about seven blueberries. On the whole though I have followed it or tried to do so religiously.

mumat39 Fri 08-Mar-13 10:24:10

Morning everyone!

jake, you're doing so well!

Ilovemyteddy, you too!

My DD's school have a mother day tea that all the mums have been invited to. I'm making biscuits and cupcakes at the moment so that DD can join in and have some food to eat too. I'm going to have some too as I'd like to be like to keep DD company and eat the same food as her as everyone else tucks into the regular sandwiches, cakes and biscuits. I'll try not to go too mad and I'm hoping I'll have the will power to get back to this woe after this afternoon.

I've had a gooed week so far. My c-section pouch is actually feeling a little smaller which is amazing as 8've had it for over 5 years. smile

Hope everyone else is well and doing well. Xxx

halfthesize Fri 08-Mar-13 13:24:29

Thats great Ilovemyteddy bet you feel amazing thanks grin

BIWI Fri 08-Mar-13 13:26:28

Steady on with the bread/cakes Jake/mumat39 - it would be such a shame to sabotage all your good work so far ...


biggest loser of the week: JakeBullet
biggest loser so far: Dangerousmouse
biggest %age loser so far: Gloriafloria

<wild applause>

and and and and

those of us who are still weighing in on the spreadsheet have lost a combined total of 663lb since 7th January - that's 301.4 kg or 47 st 5 lb

let's see what the final result is next week, this is fabulous!

JakeBullet Fri 08-Mar-13 14:11:53

Ooh am biggest loser of the week grin grin grin grin grin

Gosh thank you.

Dont worry BIWI, I have no desire to go back to bread. DS just wanted me to join him this morning so I did. Have gone straigbt back to low carb now... .smile

Iamaslummymummy Fri 08-Mar-13 14:57:09

Just been to gbk for my birthday meal with my parents. Yum. Bun-less burger with cheese and the works along with coleslaw and salad.

Also <drum roll> I fitted into a pair of size 12 Levis (bold curve but still ). 30 inch waist down from 35 at the beginning of the year. Thanks all!

captainmummy Fri 08-Mar-13 15:12:40

Willie - 47STONE? How fab!

Well done to all.

BIWI Fri 08-Mar-13 15:15:16

47 stone?! That's fabulous. Like losing 4 MNetters! Really well done everyone thanks

Iamaslummymummy Fri 08-Mar-13 15:44:07

Wow thats a fantastic number

Ilovemyteddy Fri 08-Mar-13 15:46:53

Wow, that combined loss is amazing, Willie. Big congrats to everyone, especially BIWI for keeping us all on the straight and narrow. Even though I'm not posting so much now I'm still low-carbing, and still scared of the spreadsheet grin

I'm finding the last few pounds really difficult to lose, but I suspect it's because I'm relaxing a bit, being so close to my goal. I had a weekend away last weekend and took my foot off the gas, and was lucky still to lose a tiny bit of weight. This week I have been much more hardcore and the weight has shifted.

I still have this weird perception of the size I am, though. Was at the gym last night, in the jacuzzi, and a woman got into the jacuzzi who was quite large, and I thought " she's the same size as me." When I got out I saw myself in the full length mirror they have conveniently placed by the jacuzzi and I realised that she was the size I was before I started this WOE. I find it hard to get my head around the size I am now, because I still have a large tummy and loose skin, having been obese for all my adult life. Even though I am now comfortably fitting into size 12 jeans my head is telling me I am still an 18/20. Has anyone else had/got this problem?

BlackAffronted Fri 08-Mar-13 18:13:07

Just made an amazing dish from the River Cottage Veg book - savoy cabbage & leeks in a curried coconut milk sauce. Had it with gammon, really filling and delicious! No snacks again today, yay.

My spotting has come back though, and have some slight bloating from that sad looks like I am getting a monthly cycle after many yeras without one. Ah well!

<waves goodbye from Eurostar terminal>

Didn't get a chance to catch up with the thread before I left as all so hectic - looks like I have got the temp job, fingers crossed - they are waiting for the client to sign off still though so am not going to get excited just yet.

I'm afraid I have not, this time, packed any celeriac in my suitcase grin but will endeavour to stick to the low carb options, like champagne! DH has ordered me a low fat hmm meal on the Eurostar - god only knows what it will be like!

Have good weekends all and will join you for weigh in on Monday!

Oh and happy mothers days! thanks

BlackAffronted Fri 08-Mar-13 18:42:08

Have a great time Choos! Your DH shoudl have ordered you the diabetic option, that might have been more low carb!

Wow so many lasagne ideas, thank you all! I was wracking my brains trying to think what veg to put in the sauce bit if I was using courgettes as the "pasta" (don't like aubergines and am aware of the sadly carby nature of onions, toms and peppers) but whoever mentioned broccoli has inspired me. That can go right in there, with some leeks and peppers in a bit of passata. Maybe a layer of spinach too as that is very delicious with a creamy and tomatoey sauce. And a pile of cheese. All my meals have a pile of cheese inserted somewhere. grin Food of the gods.
I have mealplanned for this week, but this is now on my To Try list.

Great big congrats to loser jake grin You must be chuffed, you sound like you are loving this so much as well which is fab to read. The enthusiasm leaps out. It's weird isn't it how not quite right carby things taste now. I taste tested DD's spaghetti tonight to check it was cooked, and had to try about 3 bits as I couldn't work out the texture anymore.

black that savoy and leeks sounds lush, I have the book, will make a note to give that a whirl.

47 stone in 2 months is incredible!

Have a great time away choos!

I had my spaghetti (courgette) and meatballs for dinner and it was fab. Pork mince with fennel seeds, garlic and hot smoked paprika for the meatballs and a spicy (and stingy!) tomato sauce, lots of cheese and some salad. Officially stuffed.

Ooh and we tried cabbage carbonara for lunch, I think it is BIWI's idea on the recipe thread? Used this bbc recipe but with finely sliced and steamed white cabbage and it was really good, I reccomend it. We added a big pile of mushrooms, as lets face it, creamy garlicy, buttery, parmesany sauce is just crying out for them. DD had already had some salad, cheese and an egg sarnie, but she inhaled the creamy cabbage off of our plates. This woe is fab for getting her into veg.

Oh and DH would like me to share with you his creation, he is very proud. It is sort of like a savoury cheesy shortbread in texture. bloody delicious (and crumbly) hot out the oven with a slice of butter on top:

25g Butter
1 egg yolk
15g grated parmesan
Cayenne pepper
80g ground almonds

Soften butter, beat in parmesan and egg yolk. Stir in salt & cayenne and almonds.
Roll out on baking sheet until 3-5mm thick.
190 for about 10-12 mins or until going a bit golden.
Break up and eat with slices of butter.

I wasn't hungry this afternoon when he made it, but couldn't help scoffing half the batch anyway, they were lovely blush

Valdeeves Fri 08-Mar-13 21:01:19

Help I am broken down on a busy dual carriage way in the freezing cold. Somebody talk to me!

QuickLookBusy Fri 08-Mar-13 21:13:18

Gosh valdeeves are you ok? Is help on its way?

Valdeeves Fri 08-Mar-13 21:14:29

It is but I've done an hour - I'm starving!

QuickLookBusy Fri 08-Mar-13 21:17:09

Oh you poor thing

You do know you're on a food threadgrin

QuickLookBusy Fri 08-Mar-13 21:18:25

I hope they come soon. Can you phone them and ask how much longer.

Bessie123 Fri 08-Mar-13 21:24:34

Whereabouts are you? Are you ok?

EMUZ Fri 08-Mar-13 21:34:20

<waves> weigh in at the gym and I was down another 1kg smile
To be fair I was never on meds for my blood sugar as its always low, but I did used to have to carry glucose tablets which I don't now. Tea tonight was 2 rather good homemade burgers (med/rare) and a huge pile of salad. Burgers topped with mustard and melty cheese

QuickLookBusy Fri 08-Mar-13 21:43:42

I hope they are with you now Valdeeves and you will be home safely soon.

Valdeeves Fri 08-Mar-13 21:47:22

A couple of Jehovah's Witness have just stopped and given me chocolate. I did not want to save actually I'm low carbing, ha ha

And yes (small voice)

I ate it

QuickLookBusy Fri 08-Mar-13 21:52:49

And The Lord shall provide! wink

valdeeves that's crap, chocolate probably sensible in the circumstances, you could get v cold and tired and making sure you don't get ill is the most important thing! Hope rescue comes soon - is it far away? Whereabouts are you?

Ruprekt Fri 08-Mar-13 22:17:45

Ahh, that was nice of them Valdeeves.

(Whispers). I think the whoosh fairy might have been. smilesmile

Will weigh tomorrow but have been very good.

B bacon, egg, sausage, mushrooms in butter

L hb egg, ham, salad with mayo

D salmon with hm coleslaw, roasted cabbage

Sparkling water, 2 teas, plain water, peppermint tea

Do we now need to be careful about weighing veg? Am shocked at cabbage as when I was on WW cabbage was free. Obv cabbage is 5g carb per 100g and it really is not much. I reckon I ate 10 g carbs cabbage without realising!!!!shockshockshock

Ruprekt Fri 08-Mar-13 22:46:30

You been rescued yet Val?????

Valdeeves Fri 08-Mar-13 23:52:58

Rescued and home - just eaten warm tuna salad. Cold to the bone, what a shocker of a Friday night. Hubby still got to head to Tesco's as have friends over for lunch tomorrow and no food!

QuickLookBusy Sat 09-Mar-13 00:01:21

Val so glad you are home.

Have you got any soup? You need something hot to warm you up.

QuickLookBusy Sat 09-Mar-13 00:01:59

Sorry only saw the salad bit-ignore me!

You poor thing val - hopefully you're warm and tucked up in bed now

I am awake with earache of all things... I don't think I've had earache since I was about 7!

BIWI Sat 09-Mar-13 11:51:51

ilovemyteddty - I still feel like that. I'm still constantly surprised that I can pick up a size 10 (sometimes an 8) and it will fit. And I have 'only' lost 2 stones, so I can well imagine it is difficult for you to get your head around being slim!

Oh dear willie, hope you feel better soon.

Glad you are home safe val.

Yama Sat 09-Mar-13 12:51:47

It's funny how a sudden upchuck can totally change your plans for the day.

We were supposed to be going to dd's swimming lesson and then onto a party ds was invited to. As we were in the hall putting on coats, ds vomited everywhere. So, instead dh has taken dd to the swimming and I'm on the sofa watching CBeebies with ds.

I cut down my dairy this week and am sustaining 9st 10.5lbs rather than teetering between 9st 11 and 9st 12.5lbs. So I guess dairy really does make a difference. My reason for cutting down dairy is not for weight reasons though.

Hope everyone is having a relaxing weekend. Sickly boy here will mean much sofa time for me.

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Sat 09-Mar-13 13:29:44

Well last night I was presented with four cupcakes made by my children for mothers days. Thick with butter icing....

And I resisted , I sneaked them in the bin and put the wrappers on a plate so the kids thought I ate them. Felt slightly bad that they made them for me and I never ate them, but I knew if I had one bite I would have munched the lot, felt crap and spent the rest of the weekend resisting more sugar.

Going out tonight for an Italian but it's one of these grouping deals so I'm praying there is something other than pizza and pasta. There will definitely be wine though!

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Sat 09-Mar-13 13:30:47

Group on deals not grouping.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Mar-13 13:33:16

Made cream cheese pancakes this morning but tbh still finding them a bit meh.

Lunch was 40g Brussels pate, 20g cheddar, salad, mayo and 50g cherry tomatoes....really nice. Off to count the carbs now lol

thenightsky Sat 09-Mar-13 13:39:11

Jake, I do like the pancakes as a vehicle for butter or cream cheese, but I'm going to try adding grated parmesan and some mustard powder to the next mix to see if that improves blandness. Or maybe curry powder.

timidviper Sat 09-Mar-13 13:53:21

Jake I have found adding some peanut butter to cream cheese pancakes made them more palatable with sweet options like berries and yoghurt. Otherwise they tasted disconcertingly eggy.

I can also confirm that almond butter, despite tasting nice mixed with yoghurt adds a nasty plastery taste and texture when added to the pancake mix.

MsRinky Sat 09-Mar-13 16:01:30

I have spent a remarkable satisfying afternoon reorganising the pantry. I accept that this makes me officially middle aged. Wish I hadn't found the salted caramel filled chocolate though, I have put it away at the back but I can still hear it calling me...

JakeBullet Sat 09-Mar-13 16:30:37

Thank you for the heads up about almond flour grin

I am preparing for Bootcamp Lite next week and looking forward to having some vodka and something one evening.

I am still being evangelical about this WOE to everyone.....think they are sick of me but even they cannot deny a 12lb weight loss despite my frying eggs in butter.

One thing it has absolutely done is made me look at DS's eating and diet. He is a Carb King and his autism makes him funny about food. He is also terrible for opening his bowels (sorry if that's tmi) and will eat loads of fruit so I am overjoyed to see some of the research showing that adding bulk from fibre can actually make constipation worse. His fruit is now nice a day and of his choosing, the rest of his 5 a day are from vegetables.

So he is having packed lunches at school at the moment, he was having school dinners but a dinner lady upset him and DS holds a grudge grin and I am no longer adding bread in the form if sandwiches from next week. I have chicken breasts defrosting and am going to make satay chicken with peanut butter, add a cube of cheese, some cucumber and salad stuff. He doesn't like mayonnaise so will have to add a thin slice of bread and loads of butter on it to fill him up.

I will still give him potatoes etc but he has agrees that sweets need reducing to twice a week max. I have also chucked out all pasta except some spaghetti which will be no more than once a week. He loves buttered spinach and other vegetables so am on a winner there.

Anyway.....that's just me enthusing......again lol.

And I have a potential new bloke on the horizon too......happy happy happy.

BIWI Sat 09-Mar-13 17:05:06

Ooooh! That sounds interesting!

JakeBullet Sat 09-Mar-13 17:07:24

Here BIWI courtesy of Briffa again...

BIWI Sat 09-Mar-13 17:11:33

No! I meant the new man! grin

JakeBullet Sat 09-Mar-13 17:12:05

Ah yes......he seems very nice....we'll see.

BIWI Sat 09-Mar-13 17:13:44

Is that all you're going to say? wink

BlackAffronted Sat 09-Mar-13 17:15:29

Jake, I make pancakes with whey protein powder & ground almonds, and they taste just like scotch pancakes! I let them cool down & slather them in thick butter - yum yum!

Thank you to whoever mentioned the Liquorice & peppermint tea - I absolutely love it! Have had 2 cups this afternoon since buying it :D going to invest in a wee teapot for one, to make them go further.

DH is making mince & tatties for dinner. Im having mashed neeps with mine instead of the tatties. It smells amazing! It does have carrots, peas & onion in it but will avoid as much as I can.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Mar-13 17:17:09

Hmm...well he's a bit away from me and we won't be meeting for a month or so due to work commitments etc but we hav emailed lots and spoken on the phone etc. I like the sound of him, widower who nursed his wife though cancer sad teenage and older children...we have lots of interests in common AND he is prepared to travel to my town and take me out for lunch...he wants to buy me lunch....can't remember the last time I had lunch bought for me by a man,.

BIWI Sat 09-Mar-13 17:17:56

That sounds very promising.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Mar-13 17:19:34

Thank you Black, will get some whey protein next week. Yes Liquorice and Peppermint tea tis fab isn't it? It is expensive but I will order a bigger pack online when I next have some cash.

BIWI Sat 09-Mar-13 17:24:41
BlackAffronted Sat 09-Mar-13 17:27:38

Ohhh good luck Jake smile

Lavenderhoney Sat 09-Mar-13 18:23:22

Val- glad you got home safely smile and good luck with your new chap jakesmile

Reading and running as we had some horrible ( work related) news this week so I have been lc except for copious amounts of wine.

I feel crap and a lc hangover is pants- but as I can hardly sleep with the worry- 2 days now- I would rather have a glass of wine or two and crash. Shabby I know. I am going to have a bath and read jilly copper to cheer upsmile that woma n has been a godsend most of my lifesmile