Week 5 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - We Reach the Halfway Point!

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BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 09:46:15

Sorry for the late start to this thread. I had an appointment at my gym for an induction this morning.

If you haven't already, put yourself on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Good luck for the week!

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 04-Feb-13 09:56:08

Morning smile

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 09:56:56

Morning!

sorry for extreme tardiness with this:

Biggest loser of the week: Hazchem
Biggest loser so far: lavendersbluedillydilly1969
Biggest %age loser so far: lavendersbluedillydilly1969

<wild applause>

Iamaslummymummy Mon 04-Feb-13 10:04:51

Morning!

Yesterday.
B yogurt, cream and peanut butter
L mushrooms cooked in garlic butter mixed with boursin
D roast lamb, celeriac roasties, Kale and chorizo and little bit of sweet corn.(stick wielding OK)
S peanut butter fudge made from cream cheese, peanut butter and splenda (him) smile

B this morning flax mixed with hot water and cream. Surprisingly good

Going to weigh on Wednesday. After dulcolax!

Iamaslummymummy Mon 04-Feb-13 10:05:22

Well done top losers!

NoveltySlippers Mon 04-Feb-13 10:06:26

Seconding the wild applause. Well done ladies!

And now for my walk of shame....

Shocking, shocking THREE pound GAIN.

If anyone saw my post yesterday, this is what happens when you start the day off with toast and marmalade, then proceed to fall off the wagon for the rest of the day.

I am a bit shocked, as I gained this three pounds literally in 24 hours shock during my mum's visit.

Serve me right.

<dons hair shirt, self flagellates>

LavenderBriggs Mon 04-Feb-13 10:12:35

<joins in applause>

I'm going to weigh in tomorrow after weekend of painkillers and two chocolates. I'm jumping back onto wagon with loads of energy and enthusiasm.

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 04-Feb-13 10:20:48

Stay the same for me. Arse.

novelty can I borrow your hair shirt when you're done please?

Did have a surprise post breakfast poo, so am tempted to weigh myself again tomorrow.

Dragging my lardy backside out running now.

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 04-Feb-13 10:21:40

Oh and joining in the applause as well as the self flagellation. Well done ladies!

NoveltySlippers Mon 04-Feb-13 10:28:56

<removes hair shirt>

<hands to Platoon>

prettybird Mon 04-Feb-13 10:42:25

2lb off this week for me, so that's a stone since 7 January smile

Anaisa Mon 04-Feb-13 10:45:41

Stayed the same this week (or if I am being really pedantic, gained smth like 0.3lb) - and that's without cheating. Dread to think what would happen if I was to cheat.

I am thinking maybe I need to cut out dairy all together. If I don't lose anything this coming week might try cutting out or at least reducing yogurts/ricotta that I have been eating.

Invested in some fairly expensive chinese jasmine tea ordered online from a fancy tea shop. It was smth like £10 for 100g but so worth it. Makes a really nice eavening treat.

thenightsky Mon 04-Feb-13 10:48:32

Marks place on shiney new thread.

1lb off for me. I was going to eat a chocolate mint last night which I found lurking in the bottom of the fridge, left over from xmas, but I forgot.

Wish I could poo - dreamt about pooing last night blush I'm sure my food is all stacking up inside me sad Sorry about the TMI.

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 10:53:22

After 2 days, I have started spotting again sad wish it would just end.

A friend asked this morning how my weigh in went, told her Id gained, and that ive basically stayedthe same now for 3 weeks and she said "its not really working fr you is it?" andnow I feel crap sad I had no come back.

If it wasnt for the health benefits I have got from this, I think I would be caving in about now.

Well done to all the losers smile

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 10:53:48

Anaisa - don't forget we've just been in the 'difficult' weeks, so not necessarily that you are doing anything 'wrong'. Give it another week and see what happens.

I didn't weigh this morning because I forgot in my hurry to get to the gym. But looking at myself I doubt I've lost anything this week. Will see ...

PennyHofstadter Mon 04-Feb-13 10:57:20

Good morning. Well done for all losses this week. I'm down to 177.5lb. I have tried adding it into the spreadsheet but I'm having to use my phone as the network is down at work (IT company, what IT company) and I think its screwed up my %'s. Can someone with better knowledge of the spreadsheet please amend for me? I'll buy you a carb free cake?!

catinboots Mon 04-Feb-13 11:05:16

Morning. 1lb off here too. Will update spreadsheet later when on laptop.

coldethyl Mon 04-Feb-13 11:20:10

Morning all. 1.75lbs off here, feeling very pleased. And can report no fainting or cramp last night, so things are looking up!

2 eggs with cheese and spinach for breakfast (can't eat eggs without cheese, they taste... eggy) and two cups of coffee with cream, but that's it on the dairy front for today.

Lunch will be cold lamb and salad (lots) and mayonnaise and dinner is courgette and leek 'pasta' with smoked salmon cooked in. Yum.

Morning smile same as last week too, but to be honest Im glad to see it 'sticking' rather than how my weights usually been - bit on, bit off, on, off etc etc Seems I stay a weight for a couple of weeks, drop a little then stay at that for a bit etc which Im happy enough with today.

B- scrambled egg with butter
L- Not sure yet, poss halloumi and salad
D - Going to attempt the stilton and celeriac soup!

prettybird Mon 04-Feb-13 11:34:49

Blackaffronted : why not stop telling people what you've lost in a week but just say, "I've lost nearly a stone in 4 weeks". It's still very impressive! smile

Be kind to yourself!

Doshusallie Mon 04-Feb-13 11:35:35

marking place.

Pretty bird that's amazing!

Morning everyone

I sort of fell by the wayside thread wise last week but had a good week food wise smile

However I stepped on the scales on Friday to be greeted with a 3 stone gain...thankfully due to faulty scales but it means I haven't been able to weigh which I'm gutted about - seeing the downward trend keeps me motivated.

So I can't update the spreadsheet ATM but will continue with the WOE.

HeyHoHereWeGo Mon 04-Feb-13 11:42:46

Could someone give me some advice please?
I am behind all of you, I've just done 2 weeks of bootcamp.
I lost 9 pounds and am thrilled, totally. I have more energy, my clothes fit better, I am enjoying the food.
My DH has a lot to lose, 2.5 stone.
He has been eating the same food as me, but has lost 8 pounds. Actually writing that down looks good, but he lost 7 pounds the first week and was thrilled and was so excited to weigh in this morning but had barely lost 1 pound this second week. He is really disappointed.

So my question - does this sound disappointing to you?
Could it be - he is eating a good bit of cheddar cheese, like 2 fingers width with every lunch
or - he finds it hard to drink a lot of water as he needs to pee constantly and his job makes it hard for him to get to the toilet. He has been getting at least 2 litres, but should be more.
Is it portion size? we've been having 3 egg breakfasts with butter, lovely big salads (chicken/ bacon and avocado, lots of spinach leaves,with italian dressing) for lunch, fab dinners, eg 1 pork chop in butter, fried mushrooms, turnip chips

Some guidance would be wonderful, thank you.
I think I wont relax into bootcamp lite til his weight loss "kicks off", I dont mind another 2 weeks of bootcamp.

(We have both used ketostix and are in ketosis, we think)

TheEarlyBird Mon 04-Feb-13 11:43:30

Jumping in to mark my place and record a (small) loss after all. Weighed myself before loo stop - amazing what a difference it can make - tmi smile

GinotPrigio Mon 04-Feb-13 11:44:18

BlackAffronted Don't let the non-believers drag you down! As lovely as your friend is, a small bit of her probably wants to see you fail. As prettybird said, concentrate on the total you have lost over the last month.

Platoon There is an article in this months Women's Running magazine about low carb and running. Thought you might be interested. Its not very science-y but its good to see people are at least considering it and makes a change for reading about "carbing up" all the time!

Doshusallie Mon 04-Feb-13 11:46:13

Hi Heyho, congrats on your weight loss. And TBH half a stone in 2 weeks for your DH is pretty good going. I would strongly advise you just stick with it and he will continue to lose.

Your food looks fine - I don't think that much cheese a day is a problem, I eat way more dairy than that. Ensure the dressings you use are low carb, some have a lot of sugar in them.

I am sure BIWI will be along soon with more advice but mine is to just keep on keeping on!

prettybird Mon 04-Feb-13 11:47:33

...even more importantly, I'm 2-3 notches in on one of my favourite belts (which I wear with a nice knitted dress). smile

I forgot to take measurements at the beginning, but the belt will be a good proxy! smile

AuntieMaggie Mon 04-Feb-13 11:56:52

Marking place

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 04-Feb-13 11:56:56

Oh thank you ginot! I will jog to the shop and buy it later. That is very encouraging to know it is becoming a bit more accepted and mainstream.

Just got back from my run. Only 4 miles today but I think I've started to crack it energy wise. I've had a really bad couple of weeks of crashing and burning but am finding a carby dinner the night before (I say carby - yesterday was two roasties and some carrot as well as the usual low carb stuff) and a normal breakfast seems to be doing the trick. I am doing a lot of trial and error and the moment, but a dinner of about 30g carbs seems to give me enough energy and keep me in ketosis.

How's your training going?

AuntieMaggie Mon 04-Feb-13 11:57:00

Marking place

carbalanche Mon 04-Feb-13 12:06:05

1Ib off for me so that's a total of 15 pounds since Jan 7th - 176 pounds now. Pleased but had hoped it would be 2 off! Haven't had a drop of alcohol since Jan 7th but am going away for the half term break at the end of this week and know temptation on that front will come my way. Also having friends round on Thursday for a catch up and red wine will be visiting my house in large quantities! I think this is going to be the hardest week for me so far.

I experimented a bit this week (not strictly Bootcamp so apologies BIWI). I used to do the Zoe Harcombe approach and lost a lot of weight on it. It says that you can have carbs but that you cannot eat them with fat/protein. So you can have a jacket potato but you can't have it eat with cheese and butter or tuna. You can have rice, but you can't accompany it with meat or cream/cheese. What this actually means is that you don't end up eating carbs because what's the point of a jacket potato without cheese and butter?! Or a sandwich without cheese/ham/chicken inside it? Most of the people on the forum just eat fat meals (and some just eat meat/eggs/cheese/100% chocolate and very little veg/salad)

Anyways, I had a spinach and potato curry with rice and on another day a veg curry with rice AND a bit of soft chapati. It was nice. And I think when I reach my goal weight I will eat more meals like this. BUT I think they did set off a carb craving within me and I actually cracked for the first time and had a bit of my son's fresh-out-the oven white roll with butter on! Couldn't resist.

I still lost a pound but I think it would have been more if I hadn't had these carb meals. So lesson learned there. Need to be strict until I lose the heft and THEN adapt and modify.

I also have noticed that it is rare that I eat over 1200 calories a day. I have been inputting my daily meals into myfitnesspal (purely in the interests of scientific research!) I have gone out and bought some single and double cream and intend to start having MORE of this with berries as a dessert in order to get my calorie consumption UP. I really don't want my weight loss to be down to calorie restriction. I want it coming off because of low-carbing. I am also feeling really wiped out most evenings and had put it down to carb-flu but maybe I just haven't been eating enough?

Good luck to everyone else. Keep the faith and hope everyone has a good week this week smile

PS Blackaffronted - you have done so well - don't let your "friend's" stupid comment put you off your stride. I think you've done brilliantly and you've lost a load in a short space of time. Your body will be in a period of adjustment now and you just have to be patient and then it will steadily start dropping again when it's ready.

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 12:06:49

Going to give it one more week, if no weight loss then I am going to have a rethink. I have to lose weight, I am super morbidly obese, I cant just just stay the same indefinitely. Thing is, I know nothing else will work sad It really is depressing. I have no idea what other options there are out there though. Feeling very stuck. I also hate bringing your nice, cheery thread down with my moaning - Im sorry!

Just making some low carb sausages & braised cabbage for lunch.

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 12:09:48

Got a lovely looking January King Cabbage in my veg box this week, so I am braising that. Hope it works as well as it does with white cabbage!

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 12:13:16

Welcome, HeyHo!

I lost 9 pounds and am thrilled, totally. I have more energy, my clothes fit better, I am enjoying the food.

Brilliant! well done!

My DH has a lot to lose, 2.5 stone.
He has been eating the same food as me, but has lost 8 pounds. Actually writing that down looks good, but he lost 7 pounds the first week and was thrilled and was so excited to weigh in this morning but had barely lost 1 pound this second week. He is really disappointed.

So he is disappointed that he has lost more than half a stone?! What was he expecting?! This is brilliant progress and he/you should be very pleased.

Could it be - he is eating a good bit of cheddar cheese, like 2 fingers width with every lunch

There's no point looking for a 'reason' as there is none! He has lost a lot of weight to start with, and it's impossible for the body to keep losing weight at that rate. Long term, sustainable weight loss is 1-2lbs a week. Be aware that in weeks 3 and 4 it is very common to see no weight loss, or even a slight gain - just keep focused, keep the faith, and keep going and it will start again around week 5

Re the cheese, some people do find that dairy is an issue for them, and it can impede weight loss. So keep an eye out on that

he finds it hard to drink a lot of water as he needs to pee constantly and his job makes it hard for him to get to the toilet. He has been getting at least 2 litres, but should be more.

Drinking water is really important, and he will get used to drinking more - if he's drinking the two litres then that's a good start. Try increasing it gradually.

Is it portion size? we've been having 3 egg breakfasts with butter, lovely big salads (chicken/ bacon and avocado, lots of spinach leaves,with italian dressing) for lunch, fab dinners, eg 1 pork chop in butter, fried mushrooms, turnip chips

again, nothing going wrong, so nothing to worry about! The rule of thumb with low carbing is to eat if you're hungry. As long as you're keeping the carbs down, you will be fine. Normal portions - no need to cut down - but obviously no excuse to pig out either!

By the way, when you say 'Italian dressing' is that home-made or pre-prepared? If the latter, please check the ingredients, as most pre-prepared dressings contain a surprising amount of sugar (and therefore carbs)

(We have both used ketostix and are in ketosis, we think)

Don't waste your money on these - if you're keeping the carbs low, you will be in ketosis. And if you're drinking enough water, the sticks will only show very pale pink anyway!

PennyHofstadter Mon 04-Feb-13 12:13:32

Does anyone have the tiffin recipe please? I love baking and haven't done any for the last month but I need to bake something now... Preferably something I can also eat! Thanks in advance

carbalanche Mon 04-Feb-13 12:16:27

Blackaffronted Just had a look at the spreadsheet. You really have done phenomenally well. Don't worry about moaning on here (I thought that was what it was for??!!) Enjoy your lunch and don't try and over-restrict yourself to get a weight-loss, just carry on doing what you've been doing and what you did to get that initial weight loss. If you are "super morbidly obese" you need to give this time. And, as you say, what else is out there that will really tackle it? Hope you have a good week.

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 12:18:47

Thanks carbalanche smile I know I need to keep going, its just so hard to see it when you are down, isnt it?

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 04-Feb-13 12:31:52

blackaffronted I'm really sorry you are feeling down. As others have said you have done very well when you look at total loss.

Things are going slow for me too, but here is what has been getting me through...

-think about what other non-weight-related acheivments you've made. Less bingeing? More cooking from scratch? More mindful eating?
-any other benefits you've noticed? Better skin? More even energy?
-can you see yourself sustaining this?
-are you eating like a healthy person?

Hopefully this will help you see that you have come a long way in the last month. There is so much more to this WOE than weight loss and you just have to trust it will happen. Give yourself the 10 weeks, give yourself a chance to make this work.

Start to appreciate yourself right now, as you are. You can do this!

Lastyearsmodel Mon 04-Feb-13 12:35:56

Oh dear, 2lbs on this morning. BUT (that's a big but, btw)... have had a horrid period and haven't weighed myself weekly in years, so I'm not sure how much period weight I carry each month. It used to be up to 6lbs! Also <familiar low carbers tmi warning> I haven't pooed in at least 2 days, so am going to reweigh tomorrow morning then enter that weight, whatever it is (Brownie's honour).

So, periods - was really, really craving food, any food, for the first time since Jan 3. Lots of tsps of peanut butter, too much cheese, too little proper cooking (DP was away 2 nights, easy not to cook for one isn't it?), but the only carby 'cheats' I really had were some muffin crumbs and half a cigar wafer. Still, they made me feel crap with indigestion.

Biwi, your wise words upthread about week 4 stalling or slight gains have cheered me up a bit though. thanks

I'm still following Bootcamp but my mood is low and I'm worried about a big crash off the wagon. Do you think I should switch up to Bootcamp Light to vary my diet a bit more and stop me losing the plot altogether? Long-term lowcarbers, your advice would be much appreciated...

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 12:37:32

BlackAffronted I'm sorry you're feeling down. But you have done brilliantly!

And I did warn everyone about weeks 3 and 4! That's what you're suffering from. You will be fine, honestly. Just make sure you aren't allowing carbs to creep back into your diet.

Are you enjoying your food? Yes, I bet you are!

Do you feel deprived? No. Thought not!

Have these thanks to cheer you up.

HeyHoHereWeGo Mon 04-Feb-13 12:37:57

Thank you for such a detailed answer BIWI.
We're using Paul Newman Italian dressing - 1.3g carbs per 100g.
Yes we need to keep the faith as it is great to be 8 down over 2 weeks, it really is.
We are committed to this WOE, I just wanted to make sure I am not making some basic error - better to find out now than in a month.
I had my first "Oh you've lost a lot of weight" yesterday, so that feels good. I really notice the half stone.
My DH looks better, but we were both hoping for a few ponds down seeing as we've been so strict on week 2 bootcamp.
But ok, we'll keep doing what we are doing.
Thanks BIWI.

pyjamalover Mon 04-Feb-13 12:45:30

Well scales aren't moving for me, but have lost 10cm off waist! also lost off hips but didn't have accurate measurement to start with. (I am short with small waist and humongous hips and bum). Anyone else losing inches but not pounds? Are the scales likely to start moving soon do you reckon?

What I have noticed is that on days where I've had a bit more carbs (30-40g) I find it much harder to stick to than when I've eaten very low carb, so really want to keep my carbs down this week. Have planned for night shifts so won't have a reason to cheat.

Well done to all of you!

STS for me but frankly it serves me right after all the alcohol I shipped this weekend - we were away with friends - and anyway, I don't think I can complain - I had a really lovely weekend, lovely food, managed to stick to the WOE despite my friends offering me all sorts of things I couldn't have (just ate around them and topped up the veg) - so to have such a lovely weekend and not put anything on is for me, an endorsement of the WOE.

Marking place

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 13:25:05

Thanks for all the cheering up guys. I was going to avoid the thread, as I didnt want to affect it with my negativeness, but Im glad I posted now. I think its the fact I am having constant bleeding after having no periods for years, Im feeling bloated, my sleep has gone from great to crap for no good reason, have gone from (tmi) daily pooing to hardly once a week and now no weightloss. Im struggling to find many positives just now to be honest.

I have pulled myself up though, bought some peppermint tea for the bloating, planned some tasty meals and will just need to pull my big girl panties up & hope for some scale movement.

PennyHofstadter Mon 04-Feb-13 13:28:32

black do you find peppermint tea works for bloating? Am tempted to try some.

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 04-Feb-13 13:46:19

blackaffronted perhaps you just need a massive poo? Instant weight loss!

A pound off for me, thought it might be more as I'm feeling slim! still only 3lb overall but I've only got 12lb to go now so Im not expecting huge losses. smile
black at least you aren't putting on, ignore the doubters and enjoy your food!

PostBellumBugsy Mon 04-Feb-13 14:01:15

Don't get scales obsessed everyone. Remember the body can gain & lose a couple of pounds in water weight on a daily basis. When you cheat & eat carbs, you will immediately gain water weight because of the way the body digests & then stores the energy from carbs - something to do with glycogen in the liver.

If you are going to weigh, try and think longer term. Once a month will give you are far better indication than a week - or heavens above every day.
I don't weigh (mainly because I don't have any scales) but clothes continue to feel loser, as well as rings.

I am being very, very good though. Went out for dinner (a curry) on Sunday night and resisted all poppadoms & bhajis etc to start (nearly dribbled I was so tempted ) and then had chicken sizzler (basically chicken rubbed with seasoning & herbs & hot stone baked) and sag paneer (spinach, cream & indian cheese). Then resisted all kulfi & ice cream puddings and the after eight mints. Had one gin & slim & lots of fizzy water. Felt so bloody virtuous!!!!

Keep the faith - you aren't going to get huge losses like you do in the first week or two, but if you stick with it (and don't start doing lots of cheating) you will still lose.

EwanHoozami Iran Mon 04-Feb-13 14:04:40

Hello chaps - well done for the losses. Chin-up STS'ers and gainers for you've got through the tricky couple of weeks. I BET you've lost inches even if not poundage.

4lb off here, but that's having been really strict after a carb lapse the week before. Something about glycogen stores, I think <science dunce>

QuickLookBusy Mon 04-Feb-13 14:09:16

Keep going Black, we're all rooting for you! TMI Alert----agree about needing a poo meaning weight doesn't move. I find peppermint tea really good for bloating, and I wonder what people think of Senakot? It works for me when I get really desperate.

Ive only lost 1/2 a pound this week, but I know it's due to nuts. At the beginning of the week I was eating far too many, by Fri I'd put on a pound. I have been very strict since Fri- no breakfast, low carbs plus exercise. I will be keeping away from nuts this week.

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Mon 04-Feb-13 14:17:20

5LBS OFF!!!
It is my first week, so I did hope to have a decent weight loss but literally everything I have ate for the last 7 days has been so ,so delicious.

I love this WoE!

blackaffronted i'm sorry you're feeling down. i'm surprised that you're feeling bloated and not sleeping well, it's very much the opposite for most people on this WOE

re the spotting, could it be anything else other than the diet? not to try and worry you or anything, but when this WOE is so radically different from the usual advice we can ascribe symptoms to the diet that have a different cause. i would just keep an eye, that's all

the other thing is (and please note i am not a biologist or medical type at all) but i have a feeling that hormones are all tied up with body fat, so if you're losing weight it can muck about with your cycle in the same way that gaining weight can

I do sympathise though with the misery of constant bleeding - i had a copper iud fitted a couple of weeks ago and it has caused spotting after years of very very regular periods which has been pretty irritating, and uncomfortable as you say. obviously the cause of my spotting is different, but still, i know how frustrating it is

you say you have a lot to lose - well i've halved my bmi to now around 20, for the most part with this WOE (I was initially doing a kind of low carb/low fat thing of my own devising, which worked in terms of weight loss but made me miserable and didn't stop the binging/starving cycle i was already in, and i was close to giving up). sometimes i lost every week, sometimes i didn't, but i'm now about 4-5st lighter than i was this time last year

for pooing, are you feeling like you need to go but can't or it's painful? or do you just not need to go? if the former, others have found psyllium husks can help, and personally i had to reduce the dose of magnesium supplement i was taking as it was making me poo twice a day

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 15:24:33

Ive tried senna, flaxseed, sugar free sweets etc and nothing has made me "go" sad

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 15:29:07

Oh and Im on 500 mg of magnesium a day too. I dont feel the need to go, but I do feel full and it does hurt to go. I drink 4 litres of water a day.

I will keep at it, it has to work at some point surely? My sleep was fab the first 2/3 weeks on this woe, I loved the deep sleep I was gatting! I had fab skin too. Im now spotty shock and waking a lot, failing to drop off properly at night I seem to be the opposite to everyone else doing this grin

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 15:29:16

Go to Thornton's and buy some sugar-free (diabetic) toffee. Eat half a bag. (Don't, don't, don't, whatever you do, eat the whole bag!).

If that doesn't get it shifted, then nothing will!

The other things that have been talked about:

- high strength vitamin C (try one of those effervescent tablets)
- strong coffee
- lot of water
- a bit of exercise
- rolling a tennis ball around your stomach

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 15:31:16

Willie, you have done so well! I hope to have yoru ind of success! Did you struggle with it so much at the start of bootcamp? I find the low carb part very easy, I have always loved cooking, I just wish the scales showed how good I am being!

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 15:32:09

I dont drink coffee, but I do have Zumba this evening and will try the tennis ball thing smile

oh dear, are you sure you're not poorly, or especially anxious about anything? taking steroids? (wrt to sleep?)

BA tbh i lost pretty steadily at first, but since then i have had times where i've been really really 'good' and no weight has shifted for a few weeks, followed by a 'whoosh' quite often of 3-4lb off in a week. sometimes this has been related to periods, sometimes no conceivable reason at all!

honestly, over the past year there have been times when i've felt like giving up, but in fact other than christmas (planned cheat) and the occasional excessive consumption of technically 'allowed' foods (e.g. nuts, cheese, 90% chocolate - not bootcamp obviously but better than doughnuts and french bread!), giving up just hasn't seemed worth it, and in the end a little more weight has shifted

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 15:41:33

No stress, not anxious, not on any medication! Im thinking maybe hormones, as mine are obvioulsy a mess just now - the only 2 periods ive had in years were when I started low carbing (this is my 2nd attempt). I do have suspected PCOS and possibly insulin resistence, but I thought this woe was good for those?

One thing is for sure, Im much more chilled out eating this way smile

this woe is good for pcos and insulin resistance, but i know others have reported messed up cycles initially before things have settled down - hopefully that's all that's going on for you

good to hear that you're more chilled out, too

PostBellumBugsy Mon 04-Feb-13 16:07:37

BlackAffronted, I have a theory on the period thing - it is all my own & only based on research that I've done & my own experiences.

With this WOE you lose body fat, unlike the calorie restricted diets where you often lose muscle tissue you first, with this WOE you lose a bit of water & then body fat. Body fat is oestrogenic (not sure I've spelt that right) and when you lose it, I think it may release estrogen into the blood stream & hence mess with your menstrual cycles.

As I say, just my own theory - but may explain your period issues.

This WOE is good for PCOS & insulin resistance, but like all things you have to give it a bit of time. A month is nothing when you think of the number of years you've been eating lots of sugar & carbs.

BlackAffronted Mon 04-Feb-13 16:23:51

You guys rock thanks

Post, you make sense, Ive read that fat cells hold a lot of estrogen. It would explain why I am bloaty & bleeding constantly. I cant wait to get out the other side of this!

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 16:27:08

More water!

Ruprekt Mon 04-Feb-13 17:27:28

marking my place

<still holding BIWI's stick though just in case>

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 17:28:04

grin

skandi1 Mon 04-Feb-13 17:34:00

Hello everyone <waves> smile

Marking place.

No loss again for me for the third week in a row. sad

It's unfair, I have only had one teeny tiny slip in bootcp and that was yesterday. Argh.

So far today:
B: omelette. Coffee w cream
L: Greek yog w vanilla powder and two spoonfuls of peanut butter.
S: eating pork crackling at the mo while DC eat dinner.

Two more coffees w cream.

Off to fill my glass for third litre of water.

Well done to all the losers. And who had 10cm off their waist!!??! That's amazing!! That is what I need! Pleeeeaaaase tell me your secret <begs>

Last night I dreamt my tum was normal again just like it used to be. Needless to say this morning was a particularly rude awakening!! blush

SavoirFaire Mon 04-Feb-13 17:49:27

Just checking in to shiny new thread and wanted to say 'we're routing for you' to blackaffronted.

My day:
B: 2 eggs and butter
L: Out for lunch. Had a goats cheese salad in a restaurant which was probably a bit carby (roast tomatoes and some red pepper), but I switched balsamic for olive oil and had masses of rocket and spinach.
S: chunk of cheese
D will be: haddock and prawns in a creamy mushroomy parmesany sauce with some leftover greens from yesterday's dinner (turnip, broccoli, cauli) and some wilted spinach,

sybilfaulty Mon 04-Feb-13 17:50:28

1lb on for me I'm afraid. Would a kind person be able yo go the honours on the spreadsheet for me please?

Am keeping faith and drinking water. Well done yo all the losers and huge hugs to all the STS or gainers.

Tigglette Mon 04-Feb-13 18:03:37

Can I join in? I've been lurking on here for a few weeks now and am about a week and a half behind everyone else. I've lost 11lb since the 12th of January without much stress, a planned "cheat"or two (is it still a cheat if it's planned...) anyway I've pretty much been working with Dr Briffa's book and doing lots of reading. DH is also low carbing and has lost a stone since the same date. I'm finding this woe straightforward - I work away from home a lot so lots of cooked breakfasts but even eating out hasn't been a struggle. I'm also pleased with how much more energy I have, my mood is better and my skin is loving all the water.

So far so good, though I can understand the struggles others are having with motivation, feeling a bit stuck etc. I'm sure my turn will come!

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 18:05:24

Of course you can! Welcome, and well done!

skandi1 - where is your veg? You're not eating enough there!

I'm having a massive wobble today. I'm in work, I feel dreadful...I'm shaky, shivering, every part of me aches, my head hurts and I feel queasy. What I want more than anything in the world is some comfort food...fish fingers, chips and beans, a cheese toastie and a cup of tea or fish and chips.

I have genuinely never felt this inexplicably awful in years...and I can't face LC tonight, I haven't got the energy to cook a suitable substitute like celeriac gratin or mash...I can barely stand for longer than a few seconds and its no exaggeration when I say that I keep thinking I'm about to black out.

The only reason I have stayed in work is because I'm a part timer and I have booked a few days off over the course of the next couple of weeks. If I left early them somebody would have to cover my position and that seemed unfair.

Help me please. Will all my hard work be blown out the water if I have a carby comforting meal tonight? I cannot face salad...urgh.

The good news is I'm down from 139 to 125 as of this morning. I've been good today as well.

B - FF total, 5 blueberries, spoon of linseed
L - Massive salad with prawns, egg, cheese and mayo (I really struggled to enjoy this sad)

BIWI Mon 04-Feb-13 18:20:06

Sorry to hear you feel so poorly sad

But please don't do it. You will not make yourself feel any better, and you will re-gain weight.

I think, too, it's indicative that you talk about LC foods as substitutes - which means that LCing isn't how you see yourself eating.

You don't have to have salad! Have something simple and easy. How about scrambled eggs? Or bacon and eggs?

thatgirl... Step away from the carbs.... I repeat... Stand away from the cebs

<puts on cross face and waves the Big Stick>

Don't do it, don't mess it up... Can you just steam some cabbage And fry some bacon... Chuck it all in a bowl with cheese and cream. Comfort in a bowl in less than 10 minutes.

It won't just be a step back, stay its it, treat yourself to a hot bath and an early night if you can, it will all seem much better in the morning (and you won't wake up with carb bloat like you will do if you give in to it tonight)

Good luck.... Keep the faith grin

Carbs even, fecking spellcheck!

And -stay with it -

Sorry you're feeling rough, i think the lengths that the brain will go to to trick us back into old habits are phenomenal.. Had a bit too much wine over lunch yesterday, I honestly could have dived into the soft bread rolls and flapjacks for DCs packed lunches this morning, yet I've hardly paid them any attention the last 4 weeks...

Scrambled eggs and bacon and eggs have been standard go-to dishes for me when I've come home from work or I need a quick and filling lunch, I am really craving something different...and my energy levels seem alarmingly low.

I can see myself doing this WOE long term but I can't see myself never eating fish and chips or a Snickers ever again. That's just completely unrealistic for me IMO.

I just feel wretched and sorry for myself...but hurrah, home time is here at last!

You're all right of course. I'll come up with something suitably comforting and LC after a lie down I think.

NoveltySlippers Mon 04-Feb-13 18:48:04

Evening all

Sorry Black and Thatgirl you're both feeling iffy today.

Can I set myself up as (yet again) an example of what happens when you give in to the Call of the Carb, though?

I did this yesterday. Just ONE day.

What happened?

Piled on three pounds in 24 hours. But even worse, you DO sort of think, oh f*ck it, I messed up yesterday, so one oat and raisin biscuit won't make much of a diference at this meeting. (Free food....god I'm a sucker for free food....)

Well - that one biscuit turned into four (the packets came in twos, so two packets. What can I say, it was a long meeting).

Am firmly back on the wagon tomorrow, but a cursory glance at my posts over the last month will tell you that I have quite a major slip up at least once a week. After the initial whoosh weight loss, I'm just not going to lose anymore if I keep doing this. And I always feel a bit a lot rubbish afterwards. It's just not worth it.

Sorry for essay - I think I'm trying to give myself a stern talking to with this post, as much as warn others. When I LC and am losing, I feel great. So why carb binge, only to go backwards/feel rubbish/put on the weight that I worked so hard to lose?

There's such a simple answer to that, really.

End of Essay

DoingItForMyself Mon 04-Feb-13 18:50:44

Thatgirl, I know what you mean about thinking "I'll never have xyz again" - I like to think that instead of never having a snickers again, maybe one day I will have a fun size bar as a little treat one (lax) weekend. Instead of fish & chips I may have some fish and enjoy a bit of the crispy batter, but without bloating myself with chips too although I might steal a chip or two off someone else who is wolfing a whole bag of them!

I know its not strictly in the spirit of LC to plan cheats, but I think if you deny yourself the things you enjoy indefinitely you become desperate about them, whereas if you tell yourself that one day, once you are in a better frame of mind (& eating) you will allow yourself a little of what you fancy, it takes the pressure off.

I'm finding the 'substitute' meals like turnip dauphinoise, celeriac chips, courgette 'pasta' and cauli rice are making it all more sustainable for me than last time I tried LC. My BF would be happy with meat & salad or bacon & eggs, but for me, I need to pretend that some of it is 'normal' food, especially when I'm eating with the DCS, so I have been experimenting and its really broadened my food horizons.

ScillyCow Mon 04-Feb-13 19:06:27

I'm back and marking my place.

A reasonable day
B: Natural yog
Lunch salmon and avo salad
Tea Halloumi stir fry
2 pieces dark choc
2 slices cheese

ShebaQueen Mon 04-Feb-13 19:25:53

Hello all, 1lb loss for me this week which is better than the nil I had last week. I have been really strict and have a lot of weight to lose so I am hanging on to Biwi's warning re weeks 4 and 5, I really hope that applies in my case. Thanks to Biwi for the new thread and for the mentoring!

So sorry to hear you are feeling so low Black, stay with it, you can do it and I always enjoy reading your cheery posts so you are entitled to a few negative ones every now and then. Pick yourself up girl and battle on brew

Thatgirl, I hope you feel better soon.

Novelty thanks for the pep talk, 3lbs on is so unfair, hope it drops off as quickly as it arrived.

Have a good evening all, I'm off to update the spreadsheet.

Doshusallie Mon 04-Feb-13 19:35:40

That's an interesting comment thatgirl - because actually I can quite easily see myself never having those things ever again by choice. I mean high carb foods to come into my life and are sometimes unavoidable (dinner parties where you are not in control and don,t want to be rude for example) but I will never seek them out.

Zoe Harcombe,s plan talks about having "planned cheats" mindfully, when you are in maintenance. And to enjoy them. But I know from experience that eating sugar or carby things makes me feel really ill now. I get terrible stomach pains and feel rubbish. So I avoid them. And don,t miss them at all.

B - Greek yoghurt
L - huge bowl of curried cauliflower soup, celery stick with pate
T - 3 egg mushroom and ham omelette with lettuce and a big dollop of creamy coleslaw
Snack - chunk of Brie

Lavenderhoney Mon 04-Feb-13 19:39:04

Well done all the losers!smile

I haven't weighed myself today as dd was awake lots in the night and I drink a glass of water when I get up for her, plus I couldn't sleep so just drank water and read, hoping to drop off! And dh woke me up coming in, so I had more water. I'll do it tomorrow.

I think I might need to do some exercising, like Pilates but my back is bad and I am having some tests this week. Don't want to skew them. My tummy is where the weight is.

B- bit of Brie wrapped in ham
L- Omelette
D- lamb chops. Roasted celeriac, green beans and some cherry tomatoes on the turn roasted with the lamb.

Snack- bit of Brie, some nuts.

Black affronted, chin up- perhaps your body is taking its time to adjust and reprogramme itself. I am very impressed you are going to zumbasmile don't have the nerve myself. if its any consolation, I need to poo more ( sorry tmi) Am thinking an espresso, or syrup of figs or charcoal tablets. Or colonic irrigationsmile

And anyone feeling ill, hope you feel better soon.

NoveltySlippers Mon 04-Feb-13 19:43:15

Doshu sounds weird, but I think I envy you your post-carb stomach pains!

I feel mentally rubbish after a carb splurge, but never physically, unfortunately. Don't have any problems with bloating or cramps etc. I don't think I'm wheat or gluten sensitive. Kinda wish I was....!

Because it would be lovely to think, urgh, that makes me feel horrid, I never want it. (Like I do about certain alcohols, e.g. whiskey, rum, tequila, cider....I won't touch any of it with a barge pole. Wish I felt that way about carbs!)

MrsHoolie Mon 04-Feb-13 19:45:16

Evening all. 1lb off for me,I stayed the same last week so hoping for a loss this coming week too.

Now,I am sick of rolling through the entire recipe thread to find the ones I want....so I need to print out the entire thing??!

QuickLookBusy Mon 04-Feb-13 19:58:22

ThatGirl I think most of us have days like you're having today.

When I do I make sure I have a big breakfast the next day. I think a good fry up- bacon, egg and fried mushrooms fills you up and mean you have lots of energy.

Sometimes I don't think a yoghurt cuts it for breakfast.

NoveltySlippers Mon 04-Feb-13 20:01:37

Quick totally agree re yoghurt. I love it as my afternoon snack. But doesn't seem enough for brekkie.

catinboots Mon 04-Feb-13 20:04:10

Just wanted to say I've found my new fave brekky. After weeks of omelettes I've started eating scrambled eggs with two slices of Leedamer and some salami.

Nom nom nom. It's like being on holiday at an all inclusive continental breakfast buffet!

catinboots Mon 04-Feb-13 20:05:14

Late lunch/dinner was belly pork strips and cauliflower mashed with butter, cream and Parmesan cheese

catinboots Mon 04-Feb-13 20:07:19

Re the fish and chips - try cod baked in a Parmesan crust nod celeriac Chios. Nicer than the chippie. Also the Greek yog, cream and peanut butter makes a fab substitute for a Snickers

Well I lost 2 lbs of the weight I had put on the week before, so back to my end of week one weight! Onwards and downwards...

BlackAffronted so sorry you are feeling pants. It does sound like the spotting issues are bringing you down. It might be perhaps worth checking it out with doctors if it continues? I hope you don't leave though, your photos on the photo thread have inspired me. I loved the halloumi in bacon wraps and tonight I have made the cheese crisps which have satisfied my cruchy cravings.

Kiriwawa Mon 04-Feb-13 20:33:55

Haven't read the thread yet but I need to post [[
http://feeds.feeburner.com/fathead-movie/DrTR
this link]] before I accidentally lose it - it's Andreas Eenfield interviewing Steve Phinney (who has been doing this WOE for 7 years and looks amazing!

It's quite long and goes into the history of lc diets but what I found really interesting is how he explains the importance of fat

Ruprekt Mon 04-Feb-13 20:52:34

Kiri - is that the right link?

Finally caught up with the thread as just posted and ran earlier on.

So sorry BlackAffronted that you've been feeling down and having troubles with spotting. It does sound like your hormones are playing up. You've done so well with what you've lost already - it's very normally to STS after the initial whoosh, and then have another whoosh once you've settled into it, so do try sticking with it a bit longer.

I lost three and a half stone with it a couple of years ago, and the thing I really love is that one doesn't feel hungry and deprived, or get sucked into a starving ravenous binge on all the wrong stuff. Focus on that bit for now, and once it settles down I hope the Whoosh Fairy pays you a much-deserved visit! thanks

TheEarlyBird Mon 04-Feb-13 21:12:28

BIWI could I have a little talking to please about veg/salad. Not sure I've understood how much to eat and what their role is in my woe and think this might be slowing my weightloss. For example; today
B; sausage, L; portion of prawns, D; portion of spag bol and large portin of green salad with 1/2 avocado, dressed with Caesar salad dressing and liberally sprinkled with Parmesan cheese (very good!). Snack; Babybel. Advice please!!!

PennyHofstadter Mon 04-Feb-13 21:13:35

Can I ask a possible TMI question? Before I started this WOE I used to suffer with bad stomachs after eating. Within minutes of eating my stomach would "flip" (it's the only way I can describe it, my DP says its IBS but I've never been to the doc about it) and I would need to go to the toilet. Not pretty. Since starting this i havent had anything like that. Until tonight... I made the 3 minute chocolate cake from the LC recipe list. It's made up of ground almond, egg, baking powder, truvia, cocoa powder, 85% choc and butter. My stomach has now flipped. Am I intolerant to something? Not eggs or butter as I've been eating them for weeks now with no problems but I think there must be something that effects me badly. Does anyone have any ideas? Apologies again for TMI.

Penny- chocolate I would imagine? Does it for me

Firsttimepig Mon 04-Feb-13 21:29:28

Hi all, sorry its a late check in for me. I've lost 1lb this week. My payment for the wine I had at the weekend plus a bar of dark choc ! What can i say it was time of the month. Back on it now. ,

Hi all, checking in.... I have been pretty good food-wise this last week, had one night where I fell face first into a bar of dark chocolate, but balanced against that was the office party, the press conference, the 40th of a friend, AND the 2nd of a friend's child during all of which I ate NO carbs despite free food and drink being proffered.

Busy morning meant I forgot to weigh in until breakfast and shower... Unsurprisingly I had gained weight! Will try & weigh in tomorrow and update properly then!

Womenandchickensfirst Mon 04-Feb-13 21:56:30

Well done to everyone, it really helps to know you're not on your own.

1lb off, but back into my favourite pencil skirt I have avoided for months, which feels good. I have bought a Mary Portus dress in the sales, and try it on every week as a motivation to keep going. It's still far too tight to wear out, around the tummy mainly, but I think another month and I'll be there. It's bright orange, so I have to be right in it, as everyone will look!
I made the stuffed Romano peppers with feta last night, from the low carb recipe thread, and they were delicious. Had it with the left over celeriac gratin from the night before. And I'm home alone tonight, but still made the celeriac chips for tea on my lonesome - it was a bit random with bits of smoked salmon pate, and coleslaw but did the job.
I smiled at all the posts on the last thread about buying out Waitrose. I went to my local one here in the north west yesterday and got the last bottle of chocolate essence, and there was no linseed either! Definitely want to make the tiffin - is it on the recipe thread yet?

I've lost 9lb now since 1st Jan (most in the first week admittedly), but went to my friends yesterday. She too has lost 9lb, but is doing My Fitness Pal, and is obsessing about calories and she's a lot bigger than me. Whilst I can't say I don't feel any temptation, or obsess about some foods, I realise I have broken that pattern whereby I had to snack mid morning, mid afternoon and in the evening, which has to be a good thing. And I like the reminders about water! I have a Pavlovian reaction when I read it on the thread, and go and get another glass, 'cos I'm not good at remembering, so thank you BIWI.

MsRinky Mon 04-Feb-13 22:02:42

Hello all, been a bit busy, sorry not to check in. I have the gain I expected after a long boozy weekend away for MrRinky's 40th. Back on track today though.

Kiriwawa Mon 04-Feb-13 22:37:36

Sorry, in so much of a hurry I messed the link up (just finished work <yawn>).

Right, try this: link

I'm v out of the loop on the thread, been run off feet with DS related admin/hospital/therapy appointments etc but just wanted to check in and say hi. I'm still on a downward trajectory with weight. Hurrah. The spreadsheet is looking lovely isn't it with everyone's losses racking up? smile

Off to bed to read through the thread properly. Happy Bootcamping all xx

Bessie123 Mon 04-Feb-13 23:14:41

I put on 1lb last week and another 3 lb this week. I have been bleeding for a week and a half (sorry, TMI) - blackaffronted maybe we have the same problem. Although I think my problem could be that I am stuffing my face with too much dairy.

Valdeeves Tue 05-Feb-13 00:20:49

Penny - I'd put money on your problem being caffeine - if you don't normally have alot of it - the caffeine in chocolate can really affect you. I don't do caffeine at all as it makes me very poorly like you described.

Black - keep at it - you've come so far now and it would be such a shame to give up.

Valdeeves Tue 05-Feb-13 00:30:49

Not a bad day for me - no scales still but sure I've gained a little.

Breakfast: scrambled eggs and chives
Lunch: some corned beef
Tea: homemade lamb balls with shallots, baby leeks, garlic, black pepper and salt, buttered spinach and kale, roasted courgette. Garlic mushrooms.

Massive tea but I'm back in the game! Find I crave spinach but need celeriac chips now with coldcuts. Waitrose has sold out of celeriac.

Talk to me about flax seeds - why is everyone eating them?

Valdeeves Tue 05-Feb-13 00:31:29

BIWI - my mouth was watering at the thought of the diabetic toffee - ha ha ha!

Lavenderhoney Tue 05-Feb-13 05:09:42

just added myself. down again- not much but downsmile and i still find myself smiling as i wantonly chuck butter in the pan for my lovely fried breakfastsmile

Bessie list out what you have eaten abd drunk for the last few days, sorry you are feeling rubbish. Let's see if we can help.

LavenderBriggs Tue 05-Feb-13 07:13:15

After weekend of not being very well and having lemsips and some chocolates I've braved the scales. Weight has stayed the same - very, very happy about this as I thought I'd lost track a bit. Went back onto Bootcamp yesterday morning and I'm feeling much better.

This now just feels like how I eat. DH eats the same meals and he's very happy. He went out and bought some salmon for dinner last night and we cleared the fridge of green veg (and cooked it in loads of butter) and we were both full afterwards, neither of us are missing carbs at all.

Penny chocolate can have an instant pain effect on me, esp. dark choc, it could be that. Hope you're ok.

MrsHoolie Tue 05-Feb-13 07:25:19

Yes please to tiffin recipe please!

Bessie123 Tue 05-Feb-13 07:36:11

Thankyou, mrshp

Sunday
B - scrambled eggs with mushrooms fried in butter
L - Quorn roast with swede, celeriac and spring greens bake (cooked in stock and cream), spring greens and braised sprouts
D - poached salmon with leftover bake
S - 2 cups of decaf coffee with cream, 1 breakfast muffin

Monday
B - 3 breakfast muffins
L - tuna salad, leftover bake (I made a lot...), feta cheese
D - poached salmon, mushrooms and courgette cooked in a bit of cream, swede and celeriac mash, braised celery (cooked in stock).
S - 2 cups of decaf coffee with cream

As well as that enormous amount of food I have drunk at least 3 litres of water. It looks now like I am probably eating too much. My worst problem usually is snacking. I have been trying to eat proper meals to stop myself from snacking but I think I've been overdoing it.

NoveltySlippers Tue 05-Feb-13 07:57:29

Good morning all!

Hope BlackAffronted and Thatgirl are feeling better today.

I'm feeling better today after realising yesterday that I have these once bi weekly slip ups, and somehow recognising that makes me feel more in control of things and more alert to them happening again. They're proving very counter productive (surprise!) and I realise now I just can't get away with them.

(Luckily the slip ups haven't been as bad as that one weekend in London I had early Jan, where a Krispy Kreme donut and Cadbury Creme egg featured!) The scale of the slip ups have been getting less and less (yesterday were the oat and raisin meeting biscuits) - but still - would be lovely to not have them at all.

I ordered 'The Low Carb Gourmet' on Amazon last night in the hope that this will really inspire me. (The recipe thread here is really good, but I love cookbooks so know I would really enjoy the book.)

If anyone has this book and has some top tips from the recipes, do let me know!

Mrs Hoolie

I have put most of the recipes onto the low carb recipe section for easy reference

NoelHeadbands Tue 05-Feb-13 08:15:29

Morning all smile

Another STS for me this week <sigh>

Snowy and cold this morning, looking forward to my fry up for breakfast

captainmummy Tue 05-Feb-13 08:18:24

Blackaffronted - it does sound as if your hormones might be taking their time settling down - in which case you might well be retaining water. And if you are in need of a poo too - well, that's about 2lb right there! blush Don't give up - once these issues are resolved you will see a huge result. (physalis husks work!)

Dosh - my dp has found that he is Wheat-intolerant. Now that he's given up wheat he is a lot less bloated and 'windy' - god he used to be terrrible. He had a wheatabix on sunday and was right back there! He doesn't feel bad, unfortuantely, so he does keep 'trying' every so often, inthe hope it's got better (and it really doesn't)

Hope all those feeling yuk feel better soon.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 08:21:20

TheEarlyBird veg/salad are important on this WOE as this is where you should be getting the majority of your carbs!

B; sausage, L; portion of prawns, D; portion of spag bol and large portin of green salad with 1/2 avocado, dressed with Caesar salad dressing and liberally sprinkled with Parmesan cheese (very good!). Snack; Babybel. Advice please!!!

OK. There will have been carbs in your sausage - do you know how many?

Your lunch is protein - what else did you have with the prawns? There are no carbs here, but also no obvious fat.

For you dinner, I'm assuming you didn't have the spag! (Please tell me you didn't ... ); again, protein-heavy and how much fat?

Large green salad/avocado is very good - but the Caesar salad dressing - was that pre-prepared? If so, there will almost certainly have been sugar in that, therefore carbs. How much fat in the dressing?

It looks to me as if you certainly aren't eating enough veg/salad, if that's a typical day for you, and you probably aren't eating enough fat. We're aiming to structure our diet in the following proportions:

fat:protein:carbs

But the carbs should come from veg/salad, rather than processed foods (c.f. sausage, pre-prepared salad dressings, etc)

What about drinks? How much water are you drinking? How many cups of tea/coffee - and therefore how much milk?

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 08:22:36

Valdeeves I think the flax seed is being used by those worried about constipation! I'm using them in my quest to create a recipe for some kind of cracker, which isn't working at the moment ...

Bessie123 Tue 05-Feb-13 08:27:23

biwi do me next... Do me...

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Feb-13 08:29:51

I wish I could send you guys a bunch of thanks each! If it wasnt for this thread, I would have given up! I really think I would have. You guys have been so supportive, and so fabulous.

I did eat a KitKat yesterday though sad It was a total "fuck it" moment when I was feeling depressed about it all. But it has taught me a few things ...

I dont like chocolate anymore
It was not worth it
I want to do this woe 100%
I do not like the effect to many carbs have on my body

I did an hour of intense Zumba just after, and drank an extra litre of water - that should minimise the damage <hopeful>?

Dinner last night was a pork chop in a boursin/mushroom sauce with cabbage - wow, the sauce was gorgeous!

Have got sausages & bacon from the local butcher, so looking forward to an amazing breakfast after the school run!

captainmummy Tue 05-Feb-13 08:33:25

Black - didn't you find it really sweet? I can't even eat 74% choc now.

In fact i find most things are really sweet now, even crisps. Just goes to show how much sugar is in processed food.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 08:37:20

Bessie123 - unless your portions are absolutely massive, that doesn't look like too much food to me!

No need to go hungry on this WOE. We are not about deprivation.

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Feb-13 08:37:51

Thanks for your thoughts ladies. Interesting that all of you think its the chocolate. Before this WOE I was a proper chocoholic, I didn't get through a day without a bar of chocolate. But always milk, never dark. But before this WOE I was having stomach problems on a daily basis so the two could be linked.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 08:40:17

My only other thought, Penny, was the almonds. Could it be that you have an intolerance to nuts?

Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Feb-13 08:43:19

I can definitely recommend the flax "porridge" and magnesium (I take 750kg but thats to counteract the drugs I'm on) to sort constipation. blush I'm not an egg for breakfast person really so its nice to have "cereal".smile

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Feb-13 08:45:05

I'm not sure to be honest BIWI as nuts aren't something that I knowingly ate on a regular basis before this WOE. Again though it's a possibility.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 08:50:24

BlackAffronted I know you're having a tough time of it right now - but can I suggest (gently and kindly grin) that you just step back a bit and have a look at what you have achieved? And realise just how much you are sabotaging your own best efforts?

With such a large initial loss, it was inevitable that you weren't going to see such large losses in the following weeks.

And I did warn you - and everyone else - that weeks 3 and 4 were likely to be no-loss weeks

Now, you have almost guaranteed that you will put weight back on!

However. Perhaps it was a good thing if it's helped you realise that you have lost the taste for (cheap) chocolate!

Water, and a super strict 'rest of the week' and you will be fine.

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Feb-13 09:19:46

captain, it was too sweet! I know I wont be touching one again!

BlackAffronted. When I started low carbing I had a period continually for about 8 weeks. Not just spotting but full on heavy bleeding. The doctor said the same as someone further up the thread, that as you lose fat you release estrogen which can mess you up for a while until your body gets used to it. This can mean confused periods but also other hormonal symptoms, water retention, hot flushes, cold chills, cravings and skin break outs. It sounds to me like you are experiencing something very much like that. The only answer is to wait it out. Eventually things calm down and even out.

Don't stress about the weight loss at all. Relax and enjoy bring able to eat well and nourish your body while it sorts itself out. Check out all the information about why a low calorie, low fat diet, high in carbs is so bad for you and how high fat, low carb is the answer and then eat. Eat as much as you want of very low carb foods. Don't try to lose weight just yet, see this as a pre weight loss adjustment period. You won't be doing yourself any more harm as long as you don't go back to eating crap, in fact you will be healthier than before. Being fat is not the cause of most health problems, the carbs that caused you to be fat is what does the damage. Cut the carbs and you can be bloody healthy AND fat.

Once your hormones have settled down, took between 8 and 10 weeks in my case, you will probably see your weight start to fall naturally. If not you can then begin to tweak your diet to facilitate weight loss.

Please, please, please don't go back to low calorie dieting so early in the process. It didn't help before and it won't help now.

TheEarlyBird Tue 05-Feb-13 09:51:54

BIWI - thanks so much for the feedback, pun intended smile . I think I need to really remember to eat fat and veg/salad. I have a (wrong) notion that by just eating protein I will lose weight. The sausage was a good quality butcher's sausage so I hope I limited the carb count and the salad dressing has 7.2/100 carbs so I hope the damage would be negligible - although I see that of those grams 6.3 were sugar. Did use a very small amount though.
Am good at drinking my water (and cursing you in the middle of the night). I have two industrial strength coffees in the morning, maybe 2 cups of regular tea and the several cups of ginger tea or other "tissane" through the day. I drink them all black as, happily for me, I don't like milk!!

LavenderBriggs Tue 05-Feb-13 10:06:35

I've copied this over from previous thread, c/o PostBellumBugsy

For chocolate cravers, I make a kind of tiffin:

one rounded teaspoon of cocoa powder
one rounded tablespoon of ground almonds
one rounded tablespoon of coconut flour or dessicated coconut
one teaspoon of ground flaxseeds
half an ounce of butter
one teaspoon of sucralose or artificial powdered sweetner

Melt the butter & stir in all the dry ingredients, if it looks to dry add a little more butter.

Spread out on a plate / dish etc. Pop in fridge for 30 mins.

I'm going in chaps! I'm going to make some and see how they come out. Will not be adding any sweetener (as it really hurts my stomach).

Novelty I have the low carb gourmet book, it's good and it has pictures whih is always a plus!

Well I think I have kicked myself back into ketosis as I have the hideous mouth thing again, nice! And I am wearing a lovely clingy dress today as feeling very slender which is odd but really nice!

I am re-reading IPD and the section last night about having support really struck me last night - you are all my 'diet buddies' and as Black said I'm not sure I'd still be sticking to it if it wasn't for you all. So, thanks

Also had a bit of a revelation - my colleague bought me two of my fave American chocolate bars last week. They are the kind that is two little bars in one wrapper. I did eat one of the little bars, but wrapped the other half back up and put it in my desk drawer with the other full one. And they are STILL THERE! There is no way I would ever have done that before, they'd have both been gone by hometime. But now I think that I know what they taste like, and I will have a bit more at some point, but I don't NEED to in the way I used to. Hooray!

NoveltySlippers Tue 05-Feb-13 10:38:01

Oh that's great to hear Willie - am really excited about getting the cook book (sad). And I do love pictures!

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Feb-13 10:41:35

I've also just ordered that book from Amazon. I'm running out of ideas so I need some inspiration.

NoveltySlippers Tue 05-Feb-13 10:46:20

Nice video here FYI - Dr Andreas Eenfeldt interviewing Mark Sisson of the blog Mark's Daily Apple.

For those who don't know, Mark's WOE is obviously not Bootcamp (he has his own WOE, which he calls the Primal Blueprint and is basically Paleo but with dairy, as far as I can tell).

But this interview has lots of nice tips on low carbing in general which will be helpful for maintenance later on. (He says he eats around 70g carbs a day, but goes up to 100g if he has dark choc and red wine in the evening!).

Best thing about him though is his enthusiasm for low carbing which really comes across. The guy is late 50s but seems to have the energy (and bod!) of someone decades younger.

NoveltySlippers Tue 05-Feb-13 10:47:50

(not sure about his blonde hair dye job though hmm)

NoveltySlippers Tue 05-Feb-13 10:48:44

Penny great! Let me know if you try any really good recipes from it.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 10:55:14

TheEarlyBird - that salad dressing is way too carby! Why not make your own? Extra virgin olive oil, red wine vinegar, salt and black pepper - and no carbs!

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 10:56:17

And can I take this opportunity to remind you (all) of Rule 3 of Bootcamp:

Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

Jacaqueen Tue 05-Feb-13 11:06:10

We have proper snow here today.

I am going to use last Fridays weight for this weeks weigh in as the scales are all over the place at the moment. I hurt my back on Sunday so have been taking pain killers. These always have an effect on my stomach and the scales. This will help keep me on the straight and narrow until weigh in next Monday.

Those that are struggling please keep at it. I have started and stopped this WOE so many times over the years. However I have stuck at it pretty consistently since last April and as a result I am 3 stone down. There was a period over the summer where I didn't lose for about 6 weeks. To be fair I was doing Bootcamp extra light during this time so that is hardly surprising. I have fallen off the wagon and had planned cheats but have still lost 3 stone. Imagine what I could have lost if I had followed it properly.

I can't tell you the difference this 3 stone loss has made, both physically and psychologically. One of my greatest fears used to be having to go to a social function and having nothing to wear. Especially an unexpected one like a funeral. Well I went to FIL's funeral on Friday and it was such a relief not to have to worry about what I looked like or what I could wear. I know this sounds shallow, but there were people there who I have not seen for over 20 years and I didn't want them thinking that I had let myself go. I'm sure that they would not have been thinking that anyway but it was good to be able to just blend in.

I still have around 2 stone to lose but I don't feel phased by that. It may take a couple of months or a couple of years (hopefully not), but it will come off and I will continue to enjoy my life while it does.

Please try and look at the bigger picture. It is just under 8 weeks to Easter, 20 weeks to the longest day and 46 weeks to Christmas. If you stick to the basic low carb principles just think how much lighter you could be by these dates.

TheEarlyBird Tue 05-Feb-13 11:25:15

BIWI - thanks again. Jacaqueen - lovely post. I am finding this thread a real godsend - it's amazing how bonding a group of strangers can be. I'm enjoying all my little milestones along the way and have just got my BMI under 25 for the first time in my adult life smile. I want to lose another 6kg so that I have a bit of "wiggle room" for things like holidays and celebrations. Sun is shining here - happy days!

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 11:31:51

Great post, Jacaqueen.

But I'm sorry to hear you've hurt your back sad. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

STS this week, but not surprised cos I downed over a bottle of white wine on Sunday whilst out for Sunday lunch with a mate. Lunch itself was good - prawn cocktail, roast pork, crackling, cabbage, broccoli, cauli cheese, mashed swede, cheeseboard with celery.

Am dogsitting for a friend today, so brought a packed brunch of lettuce, crispy bacon bits, 1 tomato, and 2 hardboiled duck eggs and a bit of Heinz Caesar dressing. Yum.

Next week'll be my last weigh in for 7 weeks, 'cos I'll be back home, where I don't own any scales. TBH I'll be glad to lose the pressure of a weekly weigh-in - only started weighing at the beginning of this bootcamp, and am finding myself thinking about weight a lot more than I was when I was losing 'blindly'. I'll put myself on the spreadsheet as STS until I can weigh again after April 23rd - hopefully will see more loss by then!

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Feb-13 12:11:57

Jac, thank you for that great post . Everyone else who has encouraged me, a huge thanks to you too, you have honeslty saved me from myself! It has confirmed that I want to eat this way forever, I just have to wait for the hormones to settle! I obviosly have a lot of estrogen stored grin

Whipper, how did you cope with 8 week periods shock I am gurning and weeping about 3 weeks blush

Have had some yummy bacon, eggs & mushrooms for brekkie, I am having cod wrapped in parma ham & roasted fennel for lunch. Tea will probably be pork chops & buttery green beans.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 12:20:24

That sounds good - I love, love, love fennel!

skandi1 Tue 05-Feb-13 12:51:20

Afternoon. <waves>

So far today
B: omelette cooked in coconut oil
L- prawn w mayo and avocado (lots of lovely avocado)

Not sure of dinner yet. Poss roast chicken.

Oh and buckets of coffee as usual.

It's utter chaos here. House upside down with decorators etc everywhere. Starting to go slightly insane with it all. This house needed a lot of work and we are working thru it but still a depressing amount to do.

DS is napping and DD is insisting on climbing on the furniture in the lounge and I am pretending I haven't seen what's going on.

Hope you are all having a great day.

Jac. What a lovely post re low carbing. Gave me a bit of encouragement.

BIWI. I am 40 in 6 months time <weeps> and I want to be in my normal pre DC clothes before that. If you recall I have 30lbs to lose and lost 3 so far. What do I have to do to make that happen??

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 13:04:07

skandi1 - don't weep! We are only into week 5 - you have another 6 months! If, let's say, you lost 3lbs in the first 4 weeks, that would equate to another 18lbs off in 6 months' time.

OK, that's not the 30 that you want - but also, the rate of loss may pick up for you anyway. Especially once you start getting more/better sleep!

skandi1 Tue 05-Feb-13 13:35:20

BIWI. Not weeping about needing to lose weight but about being 40. Sadly you can't help me with that one!

To be fair I am newish to weightloss. Pre DC I had never been on a diet. So being so fat post DC was a real shock.

When I lost a lot of weight on Dukan last spring I exercised. Swam 3km four times a week and the weight really dropped off.

Think the answer is gym. I am struggling to find the motivation to go at night after DH comes home. Someone get BIWIs stick and chase me there. grin

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 13:40:03

grin

You are a mere youngster. I'm 53. Watch me weep!

Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Feb-13 14:16:21

Who knew that there could be such pleasure in eating cold cuts wrapped around a piece of salty butter :D

However I have a question... I got beetroot in my veg box. I've just had one cooked dippedI in Mayo with horse radish and my buttered cold cuts. How bad is beet root? It was very yummy

MrsHoolie Tue 05-Feb-13 14:42:37

Thanks Gless,I will have a look at the recipe section.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 14:43:32

Well, Iamaslummymummy, it's not on the allowed veg list ...

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 14:44:46

7.3g carbs per 100g. But it's a dense vegetable, so you need to be sure how much you are eating!

Skandi
You are the same height as me but my happy with myself weight is another stone
I have however lost 2 stone in the last year and turned 40 last year. All the positives on this woe have actually been better than the actual weight loss iyswim. If I had given up alcohol I would have lost more too.

When you were the weight you want to be were you eating well or depriving yourself?
In relation to the gym I would be realistic in what you can achieve especially at night if you are already sleep deprived. How about an exercise DVD in the day?

Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Feb-13 15:04:55

Low low carb dinner for me then grin

prettybird Tue 05-Feb-13 15:18:42

I've just made myself have some yoghurt with extra double cream and a few raspberries as I realised that I hadn't had enough fat today! smile

prettybird Tue 05-Feb-13 15:20:30

I've also discovered that a few frozen raspberries (as long as you can still separate them) are wonderful wee tasty "sugar" rushes once you're on Boot Camp Lite of course smile

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 15:22:50

grin

QuickLookBusy Tue 05-Feb-13 16:07:03

Pretty, I love nearly frozen berries with a some cream.

I've also just made the Tiffin. I missed out the flax seeds and sweeteners as I don't have any, but it is delicious anyway I licked the spoon, the coconut makes it taste quite "sweet".

It's in the fridge, I'm going to have it with a cup of coffee in a bit.

Ooh, this looks like an amazing low carb pudding if you miss out the honey!

www.domesticsluttery.com/2013/02/sluttishly-sweet-baked-ricotta.html

Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Feb-13 16:22:55

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Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Feb-13 16:23:28

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Iamaslummymummy Tue 05-Feb-13 16:23:46

Balls

PostBellumBugsy Tue 05-Feb-13 16:26:34

Oh loving the look of the baked ricotta littlermiss

I do a baked custard, which is very easy & quite comforting too in a puddingy kind of way.

1 egg
150ml double cream
few drops of vanilla essense & bit of nutmeg
one flat teaspoon of sucrose

whisk egg, cream, sucrose essence & nutmeg
pour into oven proof bowl
put bowl into a dish filled with water
bake in oven at 180 degs for half an hour

About 4 carbs in total

You could probably just about get away without the sweetner in this, particularly if you lobbed in a couple of blueberries or some raspberries.

colette Tue 05-Feb-13 16:37:37

lost 1lb- which is fine . Can't keep up with this thread, just dip in and out , but it is great that it is so active! Keep it up smile

colette Tue 05-Feb-13 16:38:58

really fancy that baked custard - will try frozen berries . Kids will love it too

i have done panna cotta for people coming round for dinner, served with fresh berries - in individual pots so mine just doesn't have sugar in. you could add sweetener i suppose but i find the cream and vanilla beans are indulgent enough

Tigglette Tue 05-Feb-13 17:26:36

I had berries and double cream as a treat this lunch time - there's something quite decadent about having yummy cream in an office in the middle of the working day. The baked ricotta looks yummy, am loving the food ideas on this thread and the recipe one.

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Feb-13 17:27:46

Just posted a photo of my amazing lunch! I would certainly serve it at a dinner party, it looked so pretty smile

Waiting on my dinner, its another makey-up thing - quick fried cabbage & shallots, tipped into a baking dish & a little cream poured on. Topped with 2 pork chops that I quickly browned & grated cheese then into the oven. Looks & smells divine, lets hope it tastes it!

Might weigh tomorrow to see what damagete kitkat had, so that it proves to me that I cant do it again! Gah, I dont even like kitkats! Nor chocolate really, it was never my treat/reward food. Wonder why I went for it rather than crisps, which used to be my utter downfall?

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 17:28:37

Iamaslummymummy - I can't see how that can be low carb - if it's jam, it will be a lot of concentrated fruit, so probably very sweet and even more carby. Like the difference between eating a piece of fruit or drinking a glass of juice.

I'd avoid it myself.

BlackAffronted Tue 05-Feb-13 17:29:38

Oooh that baked ricotta dish would be perfect if you had guests, serve them the full version & have a honey free one for yourself & no one would ever know.

skandi1 Tue 05-Feb-13 17:38:00

BIWI grin.

Gless. Pre DC my weight was between 145 and 150lbs. And I made no effort at all for that!!! I would eat tons, more than DH and rarely visit the gym. Perhaps just once a week for a swim. And I had a very corporate job which involved lots of lunches and dinners and tons of food.

I think, given that I was used to eating everything I wanted, it's really hard now post two DC and I am fat for the first time. I have no idea about diets, portion size, and exercise.

I stupidly assumed I would go back to normal after the birth of my first DC and it was a shock to me when I didn't. It's as if pregnancy broke my body and metabolism. Not only did I get fat, I developed rosacea and spd <am now a real catch> all of which persists now. All that on top of the never ending tedium of no sleep, nappy changing and whining often makes me wonder what on earth I have let myself in for! wink

Kiriwawa Tue 05-Feb-13 17:44:43

That does indeed look dinner party pretty BlackAffronted smile

I had Total yog, a tablespoon of Waitrose frozen berries (defrosted overnight) and half the tiffinlike for breakfast today. It was yummy.

Have STS this week which is a) expected and b) better than I deserve as I drank quite a lot of red wine the other night. I have been good on the carb food front though - even made biscuits the other day and didn't grapple with DS to lick the spoon!

Yama Netherlands Tue 05-Feb-13 18:39:07

Looks like I have a couple of hundred posts to catch up with.

Hope everyone is well.

I have been noticing the indent at my waist - you know when you put your hands on your hips? I like it. smile

I have a weekend away with the girls and while I am looking forward to it I'm a bit of a wuss, don't like a fuss and as such have made no requests for the internet shop. We are staying in a holiday house. I'm just hoping that there will be tonnes of food (usually is) and that I'll just eat the meat.

PennyHofstadter Tue 05-Feb-13 18:40:00

Following on from my earlier post i experimented and I've just had two squares of 85% dark chocolate and my stomach is fine. Possibly the nuts that caused the issue then.

Carrotcakeisace Tue 05-Feb-13 18:45:05

3 lbs down for me this week and I've just had my first session with my new personal trainer. I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to stand up again tonight but he's all about weight training so hopefully all the flab and excess skin will shrink away.

Week 2 off the LC period here, really hope it doesn't last much longer

Skandi- are you my twin?!! I have had all those plus a few more.

Not got time to post now but I promise that the long term health benefits will help.

Keep the faith!!

And we are all here to keep you on the straight and narrow - big hugs

Black affronted - just a quick post to you too to keep on keeping on.

And keep the faith

< morphs into Jon Bon Jovi>

coldethyl Tue 05-Feb-13 18:51:32

Evening all, just want to thank all of you contributing the thread for being an inspiration today and saving me from myself. There was a point at about 4.30pm when various children were whinging at me about things totally outwith my control ('why is it snowing? You know I hate snow!' and 'I want to be Bob the Builder' and 'why do we have to do silly homework anyway' and other such guff) and I was reaching for the biscuit tin. Then I read the updates on the thread and I stepped away from the carbs. I have had a lovely lowcarb dinner of baked lemon chicken with roasted veg and a couple of spoonsful of FF yoghurt for the illusion of pudding, and I feel better!

Although we were invited to a birthday party today, where the menu we have to choose from is either pizza or pasta. No other options, not even a caesar salad. Six weeks ago I'd have been counting the days... now I'm wondering how not to wreck the WOE while not being horrifyingly rude grin.

Doshusallie Tue 05-Feb-13 19:08:53

Cold - if there is pizza and pasta can there not be also salad Nicoise? That's what I have at pizza express (minus potatoes, dough sticks and dressing - so don,t go very often...)

Greek yog for brekkie (as ever...toyed with the idea of adding double cream and decided against it)
Salad from protein counter at work (which by the way they now WEIGH so my bargain massive lunch of old at £3.20 now comes in at £3.70 hmm) grated cheese, 2 hard boiled eggs, salad leaves, cucumber, coleslaw, olives
Tea is going to be a tescos ready meal (the shame) of chicken wrapped in cheese and pancetta with some sort of veg. Leaving it up to dh.

Masses of water, masses of decaf black coffee and a ginormous glass of white wine. This is what a 9-6 day in the office does to me, not used to it!!!

Bolognese sauce is smelling good on the hob, pasta for DP and buttery courgetti for me. If it's Pizza Express, could you have their aubergine parmigiana? It's gorgeous!

Doshusallie Tue 05-Feb-13 19:27:52

20 g of carbs in that though little miss

skandi1 Tue 05-Feb-13 19:33:02

Haha Gless. I always suspected I had a secret twin and now I have found you!! grin

DC in bed tidied up after their dinner (DS is into food throwing just now hmm).

. And now for the mammoth task of taking everything out of the playroom as decorators announced this afternoon that they want to start in there tomorrow. Argh. It's a big room and its stacked with toys.

I am worried I will end up like one of those hoarders buried under their stuff! grin If you don't hear from me later you can safely assume I am squashed under a ton of plastic tat. Joy.

Not sorted dinner yet as I have no idea when dH will be appearing. Most likely around the time I finish sorting the playroom. Grrr.

Do they add breadcrumbs to the parmigiana? I'm always a bit wary of that as it's a common ingredient

coldethyl Tue 05-Feb-13 19:34:48

Sadly, Doshu, it's an independent Italian with a fixed menu. I'm really looking forward to the olives as an appetiser, but then it's a choice of 4 different kinds of pizza, 4 different kinds of pasta, or risotto. We are debating whether scraping the sauce off the pasta and eating it is less odd and rude than scraping the topping off the pizza. We both know that it we eat the whole thing, we'll feel rubbish for 3 days afterwards and be back to cravings sad.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 19:48:40

coldethyl can you not ring the restaurant in advance and explain that you can't eat that menu, and ask for a salad instead?

coldethyl Tue 05-Feb-13 19:54:02

BIWI, if we were paying, I'd do that in a heartbeat - but all the info so far (specifically menu with no prices on!) rather suggests that the Birthday Chap is covering the cost, so I don't really feel I can mess with his fixed price deal. However, it's beginning to look as if the children aren't invited ( which is, of course, his prerogative) which means we're unlikely to be able to go (unless any of you know babysitters that will do 11.30am onwards on a Saturday for children aged 2-11, with the 9 year old having a music lesson mid-afternoon? No, thought not! grin Grandparents unlikely to be able to assist). Will wait and see.

thenightsky Tue 05-Feb-13 19:55:41

coldethyl can you claim wheat intolerance or something and ask for pasta sauce (carbonara or such) with a salad instead of pasta? I should think you'd have a better chance of getting that at an indie place than you would at a chain Italian place.

I did similar at an Indian place... Salmon Masala on a bed of pilau rice became Salmon Masala on a bed of shredded lettuce and cucumber.

ShebaQueen Tue 05-Feb-13 20:09:57

Hello all, just sloshing in from work, I have drunk more water than ever today.

Breakfast was two poached eggs with buttery spinach
Lunch chicken salad with mayonnaise
Dinner 2 homemade burgers with a bit of cheese melted on top and a huge salad with an oil and mustard dressing I concocted myself.

Thanks for the motivation. I struggle to keep up with the thread but I really enjoy reading your posts.

NellVarnish Tue 05-Feb-13 20:20:02

STS. Have updated The Spreadsheet of Doom.

sad

Hmm, that is a lot! Though if you just have very little carbs for the rest of the day you'd probably come in about 30g which is ok right?

I think I'd claim gluten intolerance too and see what they say - if one of the pasta options is bolognese you could have that with green salad which surely wouldn't be more pricey than with pasta?

helpingout Tue 05-Feb-13 20:26:55

Evening everyone!

B - cheese omelette
L- chicken curry (made with coconut)
D- turnip, boiled leeks and gammon of a joint cooked in cream (like a gratin) with cheese on top.

Almost finished a 2 litre bottle of sparkling water alongside a litre of still today.

fatzak Tue 05-Feb-13 20:35:27

Evening! Have been lurking for a long time and thought I would finally say hello.

I have absolutely no excuse for not being able to low carb, as DS has been on the ketogenic diet for epilepsy for three years, so every day is a low carb day for him. I'm not sure how much I've lost in the last three weeks as only bought some scales two weeks ago and don't know how much I had put on over Christmas from my usual too much weight blush I I've lost about 7lb.

I'll post it on the recipe thread, but I went on a ketogenic cooking day last week and nearly jumped up and down when we got this recipe. It's made to a ketogenic diet prescription, so mess around with it till it works for you

Flax Bread
80g flax seeds
2 eggs
25g butter
salt to taste
2g baking powder (gluten free)
Mix all together. Put in plastic sandwich container. Microwave for 3 mins. And that's it grin Slice it up and have with butter! It toasts well (it's actually better toasted I think) and you can make a sweet version with berries, sweetner, cinnamon etc which is almost cake-like!

queribus Tue 05-Feb-13 20:45:11

Cock! I've messed up.

I fell off the wagon over the weekend and haven't managed to climb back on yet. I suspect that I've sabotaged all efforts and have to start again.

Why do I do this to myself!?

Yama Netherlands Tue 05-Feb-13 21:00:18

Fatzak - ground flaxseeds or whole. <getting excited>

oh dear queribus, but never mind, it's happened now and you can't change the past

start tomorrow with a really decent low carb breakfast - eggs, bacon, mushrooms cooked in butter, whatever you have in

plan yourself some indulgent low carb meals that you can really look forward to - pork belly, creamed cabbage, whatever it is that you particularly like, remind yourself why you enjoy this WOE

go back to strict bootcamp, three meals a day, try not to snack but if you're really craving make sure you have low carb snacks handy

plenty of water

you know the drill, you can do it!

fatzak Tue 05-Feb-13 21:03:19

Ground! Although the chef who ran the course was saying thatas it works out quite expensive, if you've got a coffee grinder, buy the whole ones and grind them yourself!

thenightsky Tue 05-Feb-13 21:04:50

OMG... can I really hope for toast?

<faints with joy>

Yama Netherlands Tue 05-Feb-13 21:06:49

Thanks Fatzak. Aldi do bags of ground quite cheaply. I say cheaply but as it's dh who eats the stuff, it's he who puts the bag in the trolley so I don't actually know how much it costs. Likely to be cheap though. smile

careful with too much flaxseed if you're trying to lose weight, i find it can stall me (this doesn't happen to everyone, you might be fine)

queribus Tue 05-Feb-13 21:17:30

Thanks Willie - will do.

Must stop kicking myself and get on with it.

SavoirFaire Tue 05-Feb-13 21:32:53

Keep on keeping on everyone who is struggling. I am more certain it is all going to be worth it!!

My day:

B: scrambled egg with spinach and chorizo and cream. Yum.
L: we went to Gabby's deli on Charing Cross rd in London, which I would highly recommend to anyone needing a meal in London. It is an old school type deli, family owned. Amazing salt beef (DH) and meatballs (me) with salad. Delish.
D: creamy chicken casserole with turnip, courgette, celery and a side salad.

Still trying to hunt down vanilla powder. Will you all lay off buying it for a week please as it seems to be sold out every where I try!! grin

ToomuchWaternotWine Tue 05-Feb-13 21:33:18

Evening all, such inspiring posts at the end of the last thread and this one. And I don't really mean the losses ones, I mean the "fell down, but with support, have got back up, dusted myself off and am keeping on"

It was the support of the thread on the last bootcamp that kept me going, absolutely, and it's lovely to see the same happening here. It's such a change to our lifestyles and thought processes for some of us, it can be quite an adjustment mentally as well as physically (I totally believe in the mind/body/spirit connection and that your body reflects your mental and emotional state) and real time, here and now support is vital. So yay! To all of us, helping each other to help ourselves.

Btw I STS this week but I'm ok with that as am hoping the Whoosh Fairy will pay me a visit next week.

Tigglette Tue 05-Feb-13 22:29:24

I do karate training 3 times a week - it's black belt training so pretty hard work. I went tonight and while the class was full on I felt like it had endless energy, definitely a new thing after starting this woe - I usually crawl out. Since I've got home I've had wicked cramp in my legs and feet, which isn't usual for me after training. My meals today

B. 2 eggs fried in butter and 2 slices of ham
L. Raspberries and double cream (yes, I know, it was what I had in the office...)
D. Chicken fajitas made with chicken thighs, shallots, fajita spice mix (carby but used about 10 grams), I had soured cream and cheese and used lettuce leaves for wraps.
S some salted nuts about 30 mins before training

Can the brilliant bootcamp collective give me any ideas what might be causing the cramps and how I can get rid. Btw I've also drank about 3 litres of water over the course of the day.

BIWI Tue 05-Feb-13 22:34:43

Tigglette = sounds like you need to eat more salt. Also, potassium and magnesium - avocado, spinach and salmon are all things to eat.

timidviper Tue 05-Feb-13 22:37:06

Lovely post Toomuch. I agree with everything you said there.

I think what is different for me with this WOE is that I don't regard it as a diet, I just see it as I am changing what is my "normal". The great thing about that is that if I do decide to eat something wrong, I don't think bugger it and inhale my own weight in chocolate and Haagen-dazs, I just go back to normal and carry on with no guilt. I have also left behind me the fixation on food and stress induced by diets like WW and SW.

I love the support on the threads and think that is what makes the difference for a lot of us as we all feel so positive.

I have had a couple of weeks off the wagon for various reasons and, in my first week back on it, have lost 5lb. Just have to make sure I keep going onward and downward now.

Tigglette Tue 05-Feb-13 22:51:31

Thanks BIWI, spinach is on the menu for tomorrow night's dinner so that will help, I love avocado so possibly a salad for tomorrow's lunch...

NoelHeadbands Wed 06-Feb-13 06:19:28

Morning all

Brr it's a cold one. Luckily I'd zapped a couple of cooked LC sausages in the micro and wrapped them in foil before I left this morning.

There really is nothing like a handful of hot sausage to keep your fingers warm on a chilly winters morn.

Lol Noel you're like a miner being sent off to work with a baked potato in his pocket (or somefing)

Hi everyone,

Quick check in as man-flu DH today and still have v poorly DS at home so another week of no exercise... No doubt one will be getting under my feet and one will be in need of cuddles and a blanket...

Planning easy lamb breast roast for tea as I need a chuck it in the oven meal today smile) any ideas of what to have with it? Fancy braised cabbage but too much cream for the family!

Will catch up on thread today, have to say am struggling a bit... 5 weeks has gone so fast and I am only 5lb down... not bored, but it is usually at this point that I have a great big sod-it wobble...

<rushes off to cook up some resolve along with bacon eggs and spinach brekkie>

halfthesize Wed 06-Feb-13 07:40:16

morning all, hope you are still going strongbrew
will pop back later for catch up.

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 08:16:01

Morning all!

thekitchenfairy - only 5lbs down? And eating lovely food? Are you feeling deprived? Do you really feel like you're on a diet?

Long-term, sustainable weight loss should only ever be 1-2lbs. That way you are much more likely to keep the weight off.

And you haven't got that much to lose, have you? So your rate of loss is bound to be slower.

Have you read Atkins? If you haven't, it's really worth it. He has a phase called Pre-Maintenance, where he recommends that as you approach your target weight, you deliberately slow down your weight loss. He says:

"Getting to your goal weight is not your ultimate goal; your real goal is to maintain that magic number indefinitely"

He says that you should slow weight loss down till it is less than a pound a week, and that this should be the case for as long as 3 months.

The point of this is to ensure that you have sufficient time to develop new habits, and to work out a way of eating that means you can maintain your current weight. This will then mean that when you reach your goal weight, you won't suddenly throw a party to celebrate and then return to eating what you used to before!

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 08:16:32

Sorry - I should say "Long-term, sustainable weight loss should only ever be 1-2lbs *a week*"

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 08:17:06

Tigglette - and salt - don't forget the salt. This is really important

LavenderBriggs Wed 06-Feb-13 09:20:08

Tigglette I posted something on last week's thread - i had the same 'unending supply of energy' feeling. I could feel the energy coming from all over me (including, strangely, fingertips). I haven't felt exactly the same feeling since, but I went for a run yesterday with DH, whined all the way through it that I was low on energy and running slowly and struggling and when we got home and checked Runkeeper it was one of my fastest times on that route. Not sure what's going on here, but it's an interesting process. Good luck with sorting the cramps out.

Is there another 'hump', or carb 'flu at week 3-5? Over the weekend I was feeling not great, like the first week, but exactly the same week one feeling came back - all clean and happy and energised.

Morning all

As Ive read about so many of you doing slow roasted belly pork and really fancied it, Im planning it tonight for tea. I have a piece that is 600g (? My weights and measures arent great but I think thats correct) and it says to cook for 1hr 45m. I wanted to ask if anyone would give me any tips - should I cook it this way or slower? (and how?) And anything I should add to it etc?

Sorry for the idiots guide request - I dont roast meat (dh does the sunday roast) so have no experience as yet, and I dont have time to go through the recipe thread this morning. I could google but Id rather go with a 'tried and tested' method by someone on here that knows it works! I hope thats ok.

Hope everyone has a great day, I havent eaten yet. My dd in reception is off on her first school trip today and I think I'll spend the day clock watching.....

They grow up so fast dont they sad

grin at 'handful of hot sausage'

I have tonnes of energy this morning, did a pre-work spinning class and have just wolfed down my breakfast yogurt. AND have managed to get pre-sale tickets to Fleetwood Mac which I am ridiculously excited about! Planning the braised cabbage and meaty sausages for dinner, yum.

Morning all. Didn't have time to catch up properly last night. But both yesterday and today the scales are showing Whoosh Fairy has delivered nearly another two pounds off for me after STS on Monday - now there's an incentive to stick to the WOE and try not to get derailed by alcohol at my best friend's 40th this weekend... And incentive to those who are feeling dispirited to stick with it and have faith in the Whoosh Fairy!

Am about to have haddock (baked in lactose-free milk and butter), buttery spinach and egg for breakfast (big breakfast as have appointment at lunch so it will be v late).

Yesterday:
B: FF total, berries, teaspoon of tahini, coffee with lactose free milk
S: My all-time favourite snack of the moment: cheese and salami with coffee and cream (was at friend's house and they were all tucking into "healthy" cakes of courgette, poppy seed, lemon zest and blueberry, so was v happy to have something delicious to munch on and resist - thanks again Novelty and Ewan!)
L: light late lunch and not v hungry because of snack - mug of soup - have made big vat of green soup (courgette, leek, broccoli, spinach, and a bit randomly, cucumber - as happened to have it looking floppy and needing to be used up)(had it yesterday with stilton stirred into it too)
D aubergine parmiagana - scraped off the tomato - and big leafy side salad

Likewise grin at handful of hot sausage!

Valdeeves Wed 06-Feb-13 10:28:41

Right guys missed yesterday as so busy but had a lovely warm tuna salad with shallots, baby leeks fried in butter and warmed little gem lettuce.
Spent yesterday in a combo of house hunting and Ofsted report reading whilst looking after kids. Then went to the gym and I'm hurting today!

JAC - I totally know what you mean about having choice in your clothes and not worrying what people think of you.

Weighed myself at the gym and I've lost exactly a stone since I stepped on the scales about four months ago. I think I could probably do with half a stone more but we'll see - I think I may have to really cut down to go further.
Just had scrambled eggs with Parma ham and soy milk tea.
Have a good day ladies xxxxx

pyjamalover Wed 06-Feb-13 10:28:45

Morning all!

Loving all your posts, this thread is so helpful at keeping me going. On nights at the moment and feel like i deserve a fricking medal as worked 2 nights surrounded by chocolate biscuits and didn't have even one! Worst i had was carrot sticks and a sneaky little dip of hummus. I crave carbs so much when working nights so finding this a hard few days. Feel like i deserve to have lost more weight! One more night to go.

Good point timidviper about making this our new normal, i'm nowhere nearly there yet but thats my plan too.

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 11:05:29

I've managed to wrestle another 1/4lb off this week grin

(I will beat my inner fatty into submission)

Guy - this is what I would do:

- take the meat out of the packet and put it onto a chopping board
- dry the skin as much as you can with kitchen paper
- salt the skin well and leave for an hour
- the salt will leech out more moisture, so an hour later, wipe all the salt (which will now be soggy) off with kitchen paper
- put the pork into a roasting tin and into your oven, at its hottest temperature (pre-heated oven)
- roast it for 15 minutes - this is to give the skin a quick blast of heat, so it becomes crackling later
- then turn the oven right down; last time I did it, I turned it right down to 100 and left it in the oven all afternoon

Keep checking on it, to make sure it's not sticking to the bottom of the roasting dish and burning.

You might need to pour some (boiling) water into the roasting tray - make sure this water doesn't touch the skin.

At the end of the cooking time - as long as you can leave it in - the skin is unlikely to be quite solid enough for crackling (especially if you've used water in the roasting tin), so put it under the grill to puff up. Watch it like a hawk as it will burn very quickly

Thank you Biwi, I will write this down to keep! The only thing is I have to go out at 3, back around 3.40 for the school pick up. Can I turn it off and then switch it back on when I get in or will I make us all really bloody ill?

Or could I start cooking it sooner, and have it ready and switched off by 3?

Sorry for dense questions smile

prettybird Wed 06-Feb-13 11:28:28

At the same time as starting Boot Camp, I also started setting myself monthly objectives.

The last time I did this was in September, when I promptly ignored them - but I was also probably only about 12 and half stone at the time.

Although I revised most of the other objectives, I left in one even though it was unrealistic given I was 13 stone 2lb at the time which was to be 11 stone 13lb or better.

Well, I am happy to announce that I achieved all of this month's objectives! smilesmile

OK, I only managed to get the scales to show 11 stone 13lb after my exercises and before my shower, and after the shower resolutely insisted I was 12 stone 0lb (they are dodgy scales and you need to move them about the bathroom floor to try to get a consistent weight) - but at least I have seen 11 stone 13lb before the month was out! smile

PennyHofstadter Wed 06-Feb-13 11:34:23

Excellent prettybird. You're starting weight is a pound less than mine. I wish I had gotten down to 11st 13 since Bootcamp. I've lost 8lb so far which I'm pleased with but well done you!

I've got a test of willpower today, someone in my office has organised a charity cake/samosa sale. All my colleagues have tucked into homemade victoria sponges and vegetable samosas while I've been swigging my water and having a couple of pork scratchings!

PennyHofstadter Wed 06-Feb-13 11:34:57

I mean your obviously.

PostBellumBugsy Wed 06-Feb-13 12:08:11

GuyMSB - can't you just leave the oven on low for 40 mins, while you are out?

Well done those losing too & Penny - stay strong at the cake sale. Keep thinking of that great loss & how those cakes will just taste really sweet & sickly and not nearly as yummy as pork scratchings! wink

DorisIsWaiting Wed 06-Feb-13 12:23:14

Yay! Weigh day for me and another 2lb off that now a a full 14lbs! in total. I was beginning to get a bit bored this week as I seemed to have stoped experimenting with new stuff (everything I wanted to try I didn't have the ingredients for) So been to sainbury's this mornig and got flax seed and almonds and splenda type stuff so I can try and be a bit more inventive. I really fancy a lo carb pizza but I'm out tonight so that will have to wait. Well done to all those who have lost and those who have sts.

I have a wedding away this weekend and so I will be falling off the wagon for 24 hrs this weekend (very little I can do as dh and the dd's already have v awkard diets and traveling with them is a nightmare) but I will get right back on and boot camp the rest of the week (althugh I don't think I've moved on from boot camp much).

I've fucked up sad just eaten 3 amaretti biscuits and some chocolate. Couldn't hold out any longer... Wahhhhh! I had the biggest craving for sweetness sad
Better drink gallons of water and be super strict now I guess. Boo.

Woolfey Wed 06-Feb-13 12:50:55

Just want to say thanks to everyone who posts on this thread. I've only been doing bootcamp for 10 days now but it is such a great help to be able to come on here and read how everyone has been doing. I've just been given a big tin of chocolate chip cookies and have put them out of harms way but still I just couldn't stop thinking about them until I came on here and read a few posts and now I'm fine. I don't post much but just reading everyone elses posts really helps me. Plus the terror of BIWI's big stick of course smile

PBB - I prob could, but Id probably be panicking the whole time whilst I was out blush

Ive put it on now, I'll see how it looks just before I leave!

Thank you BIWI

Some great inspiring posts, seems I am not alone in my struggles which is day comforting.

You are right, I had forgotten all your wise words ...

I didn't expect great big whooshes, but I think my current weigh in is a hurdle, I've not seen below it for years. Even tho my BMI is still too high I was starting to think this was the weight for me..

But I have stepped away from the carbs and am certain this is forever and 5 off is a steady move in the right direction! Having awful few weeks, DS1 is poorly, lots of hospital visits, off school now for weeks and he is 10 tomorrow! I have, I confess, had a small glass of wine in the evenings, but I am saying to myself that chocolate cake, toast, won't help. That is a lifetime first and i cannot thank you and the support of this thread enough.

Thank you for getting me back on track grin

PostBellumBugsy Wed 06-Feb-13 13:51:02

bullet - onwards, onwards. We all slip up.

Think it is important to try and think why you had the sweet craving. I'm willing to bet that you didn't have this craving as you did 20 laps of the pool, or were on the phone having a really interesting chat to a friend, or were out for a walk, or in a really good meeting? I bet the craving came about because you knew the food was there, you weren't fully engaged in something else or you were feeling stressed or unhappy. Worth having a think about it, as it could help you head off the next craving.

My worst one is boredom - that drift to the cupboard when I'm not really focussed on anything else. All of sudden, I find I really want something to eat & not lettuce either!!!!! I want chocolate, or cake or biscuits. Except I don't want them, I'm not hungry and I don't need to eat - it is just a momentary thing and if I force myself to move away from the food & get stuck into something else I forget very quickly.

It was definitely boredom, and tbh I just wanted it. I like cake/ biscuits/ chocolate and no amount of pork scratchings or weight loss is going to change that! I just need to keep my will power up and keep busy.
I can't believe people are saying how disgusting they are finding sweet things! I really enjoyed the biscuits and chocolate. I do find things taste sweeter but that isn't always a bad thing - the dry wine I ordered in a restaurant tasted so sweet I had to get sil to taste it! She said it was bone dry grin

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 14:18:16

Guy - just turn the oven down and leave it on.

DoingItForMyself Wed 06-Feb-13 14:18:57

I even find water sweet now! And swede - I had it mashed with butter & cheese, salt & pepper and it still tasted like something I'd have for pudding! If nothing else, I think this WOE will help me to stop craving those stupidly sweet things like creme eggs etc and the chocolate I do want to eat will be high quality, bitter and actually taste of chocolate!

I just wanted to echo what a lot of posters have been saying over the last few days - thanks for all the support on here smile

I don't post often but try & read the threads everyday.

I've not lost a lot up to now and now my scales have broken I've no idea what I currently weigh compared to my starting weight, but I am feeling LOADS better than I have done in ages grin

I am starting to make the right choices, by choice, and that in itself is a revelation for me.

I've cut way back on wine, biscuits (my downfall) and am loving the food I do eat.

I've got a night out planned on Saturday and actually feel a bit gutted as I really notice the difference in my skin the morning after even a single glass of wine now. I'm going to make sure I drink plenty of water during the meal (normally I'd make sure I drank plenty of wine grin) and try for damage limitation.

I've got a pair of jeans on today that I couldn't have got near me at Christmas and that has to be worth it!

Thanks everyone

sybilfaulty Wed 06-Feb-13 14:49:58

Am at home today with a sick child (although she's now watching wall to wall Tracey Beaker and eating toast, so not that ill....). Found it hard to avoid temptation so just had some ham and cheese. I haven't lost that much weight since I started (in June) but my shape has changed enormously. Am glad to be sticking with it.

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Feb-13 16:41:51

With a lot of blood, sweat & tears (sadly, not even joking!) I managed to go to the loo today. TMI but it looked & felt the size of a tennis ball sad Taking time to recover now <feels like Ive given birth>. blush

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Feb-13 16:53:57

Oh wow to whoever posted the recipe a few pages back for microwave flax bread - amazing! I am sat here eating toast & butter grin tastes just like very wholemeal bread.

PostBellumBugsy Wed 06-Feb-13 16:59:22

Lordy Black - sorry to hear about your giant poo - my eyes were watering on your behalf.

With any luck that flax bread will keep the new balls moving through, so you you don't get caught in the net with a double fault like that again (sorry, got caught up in the tennis theme)! wink

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Feb-13 17:00:25

grin

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 17:07:15

Ouch, ow and ooooh!

Hopefully now the floodgates are open, so to speak, all will be well grin

Dare I ask if the scales have reflected this monstrous achievement?

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Feb-13 17:13:28

I wish Id thought to weigh before & after! Will weigh tomorrow am and see if I am lighter than Mondays weigh in.

ToomuchWaternotWine Wed 06-Feb-13 17:13:45

Poor black that sounds hideous!

Look away biwi while I tell her this <sssh> when I was constipated at the start, my Dukan friend recommended oatbran. Not oatmeal etc, proper oatbran. Couple of tablespoons, cover with water, nuke in the micro for 30secs to a min, make palatable by adding whatever you have (I do double cream and some cinnamon) have that for a few days, sorted me out (along with a vicious black coffee and a vitamin c tablet)

Hopefully it won't be as bad ever again!!

catinboots Wed 06-Feb-13 17:33:02

Ooh what's the recipe for flax bread??

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Feb-13 17:36:09

Its about 2 or 3 pages back.

I'm with you bullet - I still like sweet things! My comfort is that I don't seem to want them in the vast quantities I did before - so I had a small piece of birthday cake at my friend's 30th at the weekend, but that was enough and I didn't go back to the buffet which I was proud of! Also, today I have turned down a free Krispy Kreme and the fancy meeting biscuits as I wasn't hungry - mega result!

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Feb-13 17:53:10

Have just been reading that even when you dont lose pounds on this woe, you are probably still losing fat but the fat cells immeadiately fill with water. When that water is suddenly let go, you get a visit from the whoosh fairy. Didnt know that, hopefully thats what is happening here.

PennyHofstadter Wed 06-Feb-13 17:53:37

That is a result. I too managed to avoid all of the cakes and samosas on sale in the office today. I feel mighty pleased with myself! Pork belly with roasted broccoli and red cabbage for dinner.

PennyHofstadter Wed 06-Feb-13 17:55:25

I like that black. That's another thing to remember if the scales aren't going the way I want them to!

Ruprekt Wed 06-Feb-13 18:01:42

It is odd, the way we lose weight on this plan.

I have honestly not cheated since day 1. Not boasting. Just explaining.

Last week I went from 185lb to 179lb overnight. I knew that I would then put on again within that week but BIWI said to put 179lb on the spreadsheet which I did.

Again no cheating but my weight shot up to 184lb again. I have waited again and today I am 180 lb. Am hoping to get down again by spreadsheet time on Friday.

B - sausage and bacon
L - smoked trout, sprouts and broccoli
D - Portobello mushroom topped with chilli burger, blue cheese served with coleslaw and salad.
S - yog with double cream and blueberries

Rollergirl1 Wed 06-Feb-13 18:06:42

Hi everyone, sorry I know this has been done to death and is probably on the recipe thread but I don't have time to check through. When people make celeriac chips do you parboil them before putting in the oven?

Rollergirl1 Wed 06-Feb-13 18:11:06

And then also how long do they tend to take in the oven?

Jacaqueen Wed 06-Feb-13 18:12:23

First time I did parboil and they were too mushy so now I just bung them in raw.

Jacaqueen Wed 06-Feb-13 18:13:06

About 30-40 mins depending on thickness

Rollergirl1 Wed 06-Feb-13 18:15:53

Many thanks for a speedy response Jacaqueen, you're a star! smile

Valdeeves Wed 06-Feb-13 18:22:59

Rollergirl - I don't - I just coat them in oil and roll them in curry powder as suggested. They don't take long and are lovely!
What a stressful day house hunting - with a small baby in tow.
No time for lunch again - hoping also to roast some pork belly strips for tea after I've got kids to bed!

Loving soya and almond milk at the mo in tea - they are becoming my treat. It's soooo cold it's making the water drinking harder.

Blackaffronted - you make me laugh!!! Bet you feel so much better!

Iamaslummymummy Wed 06-Feb-13 18:30:32

Evening all,

I'm not getting any more energy as I'd hoped from this diet. Have got cfs/me and I'm getting worse sad not anything to do with the diet of course but I'm sure the 10+ cups of tea a day used to keep me awake. Also now have our new dog to walk which is exhausting me too. Although it is good for me of course.

B cheese, frankfurter and salami (waiting for sainsburys)
L 2 hard boiled eggs and buttered spinach
D chicken and shish kebab with salad and no Pita
S pork scratchings and coffee with cream

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 19:12:03

Oh, sad Iamaslummymummy - that must make life really hard for you.

Fat is your friend. Can you introduce some nuts/seeds to snack on? They should help you with your energy requirements.

Ruprekt - it is truly bizarre! I know that when I see a big drop in weight, I can expect to see a bounce back over the next couple of days. I have no idea why that happens. But something I was once told on a low carb forum I also use is that there is no such thing as a false low reading. So I always accept that low reading and keep it in my head as my 'real' weight. Hang on to that, and just think it's your body fooling with you until it settles down to the lower weight! Much easier psychologically.

Iamaslummymummy Wed 06-Feb-13 19:29:15

I will biwi. I was staying away from them in the typical fat is bad thought process. Thanks. Having plenty of cream in coffees. Are cashews OK? They are my favourite

BlackAffronted Wed 06-Feb-13 19:52:00

Just back from Zumba and really tired out! How am I going to cope wit the 8 hour Zumbathon on Saturday? shock eeeeek! Any tips on what I should take to eat? It has to be eaten on the hoof, and will be sitting in a sweaty gym hall most of the day! I doubt I will be very hungry until I stop - does anyone have any experience?

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 20:00:41

Eek! No - no experience at all, you completely mad thing!

I would, in this instance, be looking at energy drinks. Get yourself some sugar-free Red Bull.

Plenty of water as well.

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 06-Feb-13 20:21:04

Oh I can't bloody well keep up with you all!

Us woolly huggers have six threads on the go at the mo. <falls over>

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 06-Feb-13 20:21:27

How many have you got BIWI?

<just checking we have more>

Doshusallie Wed 06-Feb-13 20:25:36

Thekitchenfairy I am exactly 28 years older that your ds grin. Sorry to hear he is in and out of hospital, hopefully not tomorrow?

Greek yog
Broccolli soup and a side dish of boiled eggs, grated cheese, cucumber and olives
Not sure yet but red cabbage may feature.

Black affronted I had a similarly eye watering toilet experience as you this morning. HTH. grin

BIWI Wed 06-Feb-13 20:26:10

Nope. You definitely have more going on! We have one chat thread ongoing and the recipe thread.

helpingout Wed 06-Feb-13 20:33:10

Sounds like most of us are having pork belly today!

B - wasn't hungry
L - leftover turnip dauphinoise
D - pork belly covered with a sprinkling of crushed chillies and a touch of soy sauce. Served it with wilted spinach cooked in a splash of rice wine vinegar and soy sauce.

Managed to keep away from the doughnuts at work today. I'm full all the time now.

timidviper Wed 06-Feb-13 20:40:21

I have just had my first experience of swede dauphinoise... Heaven! Had that with chicken and green beans.

I was very good today. SIL visited and, being kind, had picked up a lovely lunch as she had arrived before I got home from work. I explained my way of eating to her and how I was trying to resist cakes, etc even though I insist this is not a diet. She was lovely about it (as she always is) and we both had some curried cauliflower soup, her with her sandwich and me with my avocado and prawns.

Evening all
I went out for dinner last night and had a nearly perfect low carb meal - it was yum

Twice baked cheese souffle to start with baby herb salad
Roast duck breast with pancetta and port just on a bed of savoy cabbage and chanteney carrots

Twas yummy.

I had book club friends round tonight. Now for those uninitiated in the tales of woe in my life (of which there are many and I have tried not to bore you all on new bootcamp threads) we meet every two months and although they ask me what I can eat I invariably get served with pasta and some chocolate cake.
I was serving dinner tonight so they got:-

Cream of celeriac, courgette and leek soup (bread for them and some minging low fat double cream - proper cream for me obvs!)
Beef casserole with roast cauliflower in cumin and broccoli (plus jacket potatoes for them)
Meringue nests with creme fraiche and berries (I didn't have the meringue)

3 of them are on SW and were moaning about what they could and couldn't eat. I did try and convert them as always but was unsuccessful. I could cry as one of them in particular is a real foodie and I know she would love this woe!

Anyway well done losers. Good work all.
Onwards and downwards or STS like me

NoelHeadbands Wed 06-Feb-13 22:57:26

Gless both meals sound amay-zing.

I feel sorry for people following low fat/low cal diets. Ok, I know that sounds incredibly patronising.

It's just that I personally don't enjoy that way of eating. I dont enjoy low fat spread and steamed veg, and as soon as I started to count calories I felt the will to live ebbing away from my hefty body

SavoirFaire Wed 06-Feb-13 23:01:43

Off the wagon kind of day. Sorry, not going to record. This week was always going to be difficult as we are on holiday from work and we were out for lunch (old eaterie we used to go to years ago) and this evening (friends haven't seen for ages). Chips and wine both involved. No puddings though, which is a success of sorts. Much better than it might have been but nothing to write home about.

Valdeeves Wed 06-Feb-13 23:53:13

Just had the pork belly for tea - yes this late at night! Hubby worked late so was waiting for him.

Mega mega tired in body from the day and doing 30 Day Shred DVD. Going up go up bed after this baby dream feed.

Really enjoyed reading the thread today - BIWI I followed your slow roast guide thank you.

Please can I ask a favour? Is the tiffin and the flax seed bread on the recipe thread?

mumat39 Thu 07-Feb-13 00:05:21

Hello. Hope everyone's doing ok.

I wasn't hungry earlier so didn't eat. Am really hungry now but can't be bothered o prepare something to eat. Any ideas for a quick snack at this hour please?

catinboots Thu 07-Feb-13 02:11:35

Cheese and salami??

Ooh Gless those meals sound amazing!

I didn't have pork belly last night - kale and chorizo which I ballsed up by burning the garlic. Might just have to have pork belly tonight! Thanks BIWI for the recipe - I am another whose DH always does the roast and therefore clueless on how to do it.

Agree Gless/Noel - I lost three stone (after DD - put on loads when pregnant) with WW and it was really hard work. Three and a half stone after the two DSs with low carbing and it was so much better quality of life - cant bear that low fat starving ravenous deprivation.

Morning!

Biwi - my dinner last night was LOVELY so thank you! Dh was well chuffed with the crackling! We're def having that again smile My dd (4) thoroughly enjoyed the crackling too grin

Not sure Im having breakfast as Im not hungry at the mo, will prob have a late breakfast/early lunch thing. Having fish for dinner tonight, with butter and veg.

mumat just had yoghurt with tahini berries cream and vanilla powder for breakfast - that would also be a good puddings decadent late night snack (or with peanut or almond butter).

Or soup and cheese. Or cheese full stop!

I hate predictive text - that was meant to say puddingy, not puddings!

coldethyl Thu 07-Feb-13 10:49:53

Morning all! Feeling very floppy and asleep today - only coffee with cream for breakfast, as I couldn't think of what I wanted to eat in time to cook it, and had packed lunches to make. Despite carefully NOT coming on here, the morning got away from me again. Went to DS2's class assembly - about healthy eating. Had to sit on my hands to avoid jumping up and shrieking 'rubbish' repeatedly as they banged on about low fat and lots of carbs and fruit. DS knows I think it's poor science, which I suppose is good. They also told the whole school a boiled egg was an unhealthy breakfast. Teachers these days etc etc mutter, snarl <disclaimer; yes, I know they have to teach the government low cal / low fat message and it's not their fault. It's just WRONG on all levels. Rant over.>

So, I've just a late breakfast of savoy cabbage fried off in butter with left over smoked salmon and creme fraiche sauce. Yum.

Mr Tesco coming later on, but forgot to order the tahini or the peanut butter AGAIN. Oh well, there's always next week.

Have a good day.

Kiriwawa Thu 07-Feb-13 11:03:04

I'm going to have pork belly tonight but I broke a bit of my filling the other day eating pork scratchings so I'm going to have to be very careful with the crackling grin

I got the Diet Trap out of the library yesterday and have flicked through - very interesting stuff

PostBellumBugsy Thu 07-Feb-13 11:08:46

oh coldethyl, the school advice bugs me too. My DCs know my views on it.

Watched embarrassing fat bodies last night with DD & couldn't believe when they showed everything that one man ate laid out - it was obviously a vast amount of food, but significantly it must have been at least 80% carbohydrates (bread, cake, chips, rice, noodles, buns, baked potatoes, pasta etc) & yet they said the cause of his obesity was the fat in his diet. I was frothing at the mouth!!!! It could not have been more obvious what was making him overweight - as it was all laid out on a ginormous table.

ToomuchWaternotWine Thu 07-Feb-13 11:21:30

Ds is 6 and I am just waiting for the school to start with the "healthy eating" message, I will be a one woman bandwagon annoying the head, I just know it!! Ds does have a more carby diet than I would like, but he is sloooooowly trying more veg and meat. He likes ham, as all the kids I know seem to, must be the salty tang, and chicken/turkey but has never ever taken to eggs or beef/meat/mince. He's quite good with his veggies, tho obv prefers the more carby, slighter sweeter ones.

The first time he went to a sleepover a few months ago, the mum asked him what his favourite food was, suggesting pizza or hot dogs? He said "rice, ham, sweetcorn, cucumber and peas please" she phoned me in shock grin but I do hate the way in this country, especially in SOME restaurants, the assumption that kids will only eat orange or beige food, high carbs, poor quality meat, no decent veggies. Urrgh.

EwanHoozami Iran Thu 07-Feb-13 11:54:47

I am Hank bloomin' Marvin today. And in a massive grump. I'm not even due on confused

I'm also annoyed at myself for letting the sweeteners creep back in. I need coffee, I can't drink it without a couple of Splenda and therefore I'm all artificially sweetened again. Bah.

B: Lidl yog
L: leftover spinach and bacon crustless quiche w/ green salad
D: jalapeno beef casserole w/ cauli rice

snack: everything in sight, if I'm not careful <locks away peanut butter>

fatzak Thu 07-Feb-13 12:03:00

Please could someone point me in the recipe thread direction so I can add the flaxseed bread smile

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 12:09:59
captainmummy Thu 07-Feb-13 13:18:46

I am eating my flaxseedcrackerswith pate and salted butter - I used a bit of butter in the recipe this time (as i used too much flax!) and they have come out like pumpernickel. Perfect with pate,cheese, ham or just butter.

B - leftover shepherd pie (with swedemash)
L - crackers, but also have asparagus soup on the go
Dinner - depends on whether the dc eat the rest of the shepherds pie tonight, or the sausages i cooked (3g carbs chipolatas from Lidl) or i might have a ham ommellette (If they eat the lot!)
But I really want the roasted red cabbage - I'd forgotten about that! It is gorgeous

fatzak Thu 07-Feb-13 13:59:51

Thanks smile

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 14:06:40

Good afternoon lovely ladies

Feeling a bit rotten as I have a cold. Have been having Halls Blackcurrant Soothers for my sore throat, until it occurred to me to check the carbs - 15g for four Soothers! Yowzers!

In other news:

I have a new low carb cook book about which I was v. excited to cracking with.

However -

Was doing some Googling last night, and I saw that two low carb cooks (both authors of different books) appear to have put on rather a lot of weight in recent times.

(They'll remain nameless as it's not nice to discuss people's weight, which in future might come up in a search of their names / is a form of cyber bullying!)

I did feel a tad despondent though, on discovering this. Does it mean their recipes don't work, or that they just haven't been following them / heeding their own advice? Or does it mean that the recipes work, but it's just bloody hard to keep at them / the WOE?

Am really hoping it's not the latter.....

BIWI as our resident low carb guru, do you have any thoughts on this?

I could've coped with just the one example, but two of them who seem to have regained all their weight is a bit dispiriting. I suppose the answer is - yes, it can be tough. And one of them is a professional chef, so no doubt it's torture being surrounded by food all day, and hence extra hard to stick at it...? One of them is also quite a bit older, I know the older you get, the harder it is.... hmm

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 14:07:53

....V excited to get cracking, with sorry. Also - apols for essay (as ever).

Doshusallie Thu 07-Feb-13 14:21:06

Hasn't India Knight gained all hers back too?

Zoe Harcombe has stayed 8 ish stone for years and years and years though.

Just back from my birthday pampering, divine. grin

Greek yog
Pork scratchings munched whilst walking round Lidl (class) and a big bowl of last night's roasted red cabbage
Out with girlfriends so chilli with salad, pate and cheese and far too much wine

PostBellumBugsy Thu 07-Feb-13 14:30:45

Novelty, I think even low-carb advocates fall off the wagon. The problem is that if you don't stick with this WOE to a certain extent, you will gain all the weight back on.

All of us will have a tipping point, so can tolerate a certain amount of carbs in our diet before we start to gain weight again.

I've been low carbing on & off for over a decade now & as soon as I start woofing down chocolate bars or big puddings (on a fairly regular basis) rather than once in a while - I start putting the weight back on. If I stick with lowish carb, then I don't gain - I can remain at a fairly constant weight.

For me the advantage of this WOE, over caloried controlled diets is that I don't feel hungry, I'm not losing muscle tissue & I look better - so it is much easier for me to stick to. And that is just from the dieting perspective - I also believe that this WOE is good for my overall health long-term.

coldethyl Thu 07-Feb-13 14:47:48

Ooh, as an aside, we're trying celeriac chips tonight. Well, I say 'we'... DH is still being a bit nesh about the whole thing and the kids have all separately asked me 'what the brain-shaped thing on the worksurface is?' so I suspect it will just be me, but I'm hoping to be rewarded for my adventurousness with something yummy.

captainmummy Thu 07-Feb-13 14:49:46

in the same vein Novelty - 'Never trust a thin chef'. Well did you see that prog on TV with Michel Roux and his assistant/sous chef? Michel Roux is like a piece of string wi' knots in, but the other chef was about 4 times his size! Roux says he never eats properly, only bits and tastes of everything - so you'd think all chefs did that. I suppose everyone's different.

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 14:53:10

Post - V true - and I totally agree about the health benefits of this WOE - it's indisputable, to my mind.

I just find it worrying/hard to understand how you could be so dedicated and go to all the trouble of writing a cookbook, with all these lovely recipes, and then still fall off the wagon. It just worries me, as it makes it seem like the task requires gargantuan effort.

I mean, all these celeb DVDs which follow some crash diet type fat - I'm not surprised when those don't work out.

But when you've been so thoughtful as to design recipes etc..... It just made me feel a bit despondent, you know?

Dosh was trying to preserve these ladies' dignity blush (prob not v successfully).

The other 'case' is someone who's not British, older, the author of a v popular low carb cook book though. She really has gone back to obese.

Apparently Zoe was never very overweight to begin with, whereas if you're starting off from a place of being much heavier, I can see it's going to be a bit more of a challenge.

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 14:54:57

Crash diet-type fad, not fat. Bloomin' iPad!

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 14:57:33

Captain I've always wondered how Michel Roux Jr could stay so stick thin! smile

I think I just got despondent as I was so excited (sad) to get my new cook book, and felt so inspired by it. Then I did the Google of doom..... (Really wish I hadn't now...)

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 15:04:10

Were you talking AWT and IK, Novelty?

They both seem to be fairly, shall we say, portly these days! And I saw IK being interviewed recently about her new book, talking about older women not looking like 'mutton dressed as lamb', and she was wearing a distinctly unflattering outfit. She certainly wasn't a good ad for her own diet.

The same is true of low carbing as it is with any other way of losing weight. It's about re-training your eating habits. If, once you've lost the weight, you simply return to eating as you did before, then the weight will just pile back on.

This is why it's really important to understand how many carbs your body can tolerate. We are all different in this regard.

If you were to follow Atkins, he has a very long 'pre-maintenance' phase, where you look to lose weight at the rate of less than a pound a week, for as long as 3 months - this a way of training you to understand how many carbs you can consume whilst still seeing some weight loss.

You will still be able to 'indulge' yourself - but hopefully by the time you reach your goal weight, your ideas as to what constitutes an indulgence will have changed. Breaking the addiction to sugar is the first and most important thing that happens when you're low carbing - so the dessert menu becomes far less alluring and much easier to resist.

But a pasta meal here or there, or some toast occasionally, or the odd sandwich, should not throw you off course. Dr Briffa says that as long as you follow the rules for 80% of the time, that's acceptable. Now, obviously, that depends on what happens to you in the other 20%! If you keep an eye on your weight, weighing once a week (say), then you can start to take action if the weight goes back on. If you put more than 5lbs on, then this is the time to go back to strict low carbing.

I hope that helps!

Ultimately, it's knowing about carbs and why they are so bad for us that keeps me focused on eating this way - frankly far more than losing weight. I've been eating this way for over a year now (albeit with the odd fall off the wagon along the way), and can't say that I feel deprived. I don't yearn for pasta or bread or potatoes any more. Occasionally I might have some, but it's surprising how they are much less enjoyable, often, than I was expecting.

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 15:07:11

Ah, not AWT - give me a clue who the other writer is, please!!!

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 15:09:46

Zoe Harcombe was a bulimia/anorexia sufferer in her early years, suggesting that she was overweight (at least originally)

i suspect it's KB, author of the LC gourmet

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 15:16:03

Ah. Don't know much about her and haven't got that book!

PennyHofstadter Thu 07-Feb-13 15:22:01

Eek! I had some wine at lunch. It was a lovely, chatty, meet up lunch and I didn't have anything to eat (I had my chicken breast and avocado when I got back) but I did have a glass and a half of wine. I'm swigging water like a demon now!

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 15:31:24

Thanks BIWI - that does help - a lot, actually.

That 3 month, slow, less-than-1lb a week pre-maintenance sounds very sensible. And yes - I can see already from doing this for 5-6 weeks that it's all about slowly slowly, and seeing what your body can/can't cope with.

And maybe those celebs didn't have the support we have on this thread! grin

Am really sorry - I didn't know that about ZH's history.

Willie you win 1st prize! Yes - it is indeed KB of LC Gourmet. I'll PM you and BIWI a press shot from 2012.

BIWI - her recipes look divine and I can tell have appeared in one form or another on lots of low carb forums. She's a professional chef, so lots of people got excited about her book it seems. She published it originally in 2005.

I'd forgotten about AWT and his low carbing. (Though he has lots of probs at the mo, I'm guessing!)

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 15:32:40

PS. Using initials an ingenious form of tact/diplomacy! smile

Novelty - I know that IK kept her weight off for 5 years so she was doing something right. Everyone has times in their life when they go off track and maybe she has some additional stressors which have kicked her off the woe

So I may have had three rhubarb and custard sweets this afternoon. How bad is that, in the scheme of things?? Rest of day was/is: grekk yog, then big green salad with chopped salami, avocado and mayo, tonight salmon with stir fried kale and cauliflower egg fried rice...

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 15:54:46

Gless - yes, that's a very good point.

And re the other author (KB), she's in her sixties I think and I can imagine it's that bit harder at that age to lose weight and keep it off. As well as be surrounded by food (and very carby food) day in day out in her job!

That'd actually be torture for me (still not got past my own sweet tooth yet. Maybe with time?)

I certainly know that I could NOT work as a chef though and stay on top of my weight. It's hard enough fending off the cupcake attacks from all sides at work!

<Glares at well meaning but carb loving colleagues>

i don't know what her weight was like before she started LC... as you say, it does get harder as you get older, so it may be that she's lost an amount and is currently maintaining?

of course she may be off the wagon!

i don't know enough about her circs really

agree about not being able to work as a chef - such anti-social hours too! those who do it really do have to have proper passion for it

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 16:01:22

Is it really true, do you think, that it's harder to keep it off as you get older? I wonder why that would be - assuming that you are watching what you eat and taking part in exercise of some kind?

Please don't tell me I'm suddenly going to pile it all on again hmm

One of the reasons I was so committed to really doing it this time, was because of my age (now 53) and the fact that I had read it was harder for menopausal women to lose weight. I'm now through the menopause <crosses fingers> so I'm glad I've lost the weight I have so far.

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 16:09:09

Willie I was reading up on her and apparently she lost 70 lb sometime in the early 2000s and published her book on LC in 2005. If you look at pics from that period! she's not a stick insect but slim-ish.

Then if you look at pics from 2001-12 it looks like it's all gone back on. I feel horrid though for talking about these people's weights so will stop now! blush

Am taking on board BIWI's advice re. slowly but surely for maintenance, and of keeping a watchful eye on how many carbs your body can tolerate.

And am still going to try all of KB's recipes as they do look fab!

I wish her all the best too (and IK) with their future efforts, and v much hoping they don't ever stumble on this convo! blush

BlackAffronted Thu 07-Feb-13 16:12:14

Another rather large erm, log, dislogded today. Finally get a clearout! On the other hand though, I am having a full blown period now with clots and extremely painful boobs sad Im a walking disaster grin

Off for a final Zumba lesson before the Big One on Saturday!

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 16:13:53

BIWI, I think you've started at the right age. I think KB didn't start till later, so shouldn't worry!

I don't really know about age and weightloss - it's just one of those things you keep getting told. I'm mid 30s and someone told me my muscle tone will be diminishing by the second. hmm

I think everyone will be different and the mantra of better late than never is so true.

And look at Madonna. Also - Mark from Mark's Daily Apple's wife! She's in her 50s and looks amaaaazing!

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 16:18:38

BIWI check out Mark's wife - also 53. I don't think you guys have anything to worry about! smile

www.marksdailyapple.com/ask-carrie-a-question/#axzz2K4NjZe3s

PostBellumBugsy Thu 07-Feb-13 16:25:32

BIWI, I think it is definitely harder to lose and that probably you have to be more careful not to gain as you get older - however, I think alot probably depends on your lifestyle. Alot of us get more sedentary as we get older, so chances are if you remain active, then it might not be so hard.

I definitely find it harder to lose. When I first started low carbing in my late 20s, at about the same kind of weight, I would lose what I wanted to lose so quickly and still bloody cheat too. Now, at just over 40, it is more like pushing toothpaste back into the tube. I know I will lose, but it is so slow & I have to be so careful with the carbs too.

However, I'm hoping that the longer I stay low carb (not falling off the wagon) the more re-balanced my body will become again & I'll stop pumping out insulin and storing fat so readily. Taubes has a great quote at the end of one of his books about this WOE being a way of "correcting" the body.

Doshusallie Thu 07-Feb-13 16:40:56

blimey could that woman look MORE AMERICAN!!! grin

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 16:49:40

I look just like that!
<crosses fingers>

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 16:50:41

Ha - so true Dosh. But you gotta admit, she's a bloody good advert for low carbing!

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 16:51:04

grin

BlackAffronted Thu 07-Feb-13 16:58:43

Wow, she looks amazing!

PostBellumBugsy Thu 07-Feb-13 17:09:43

Wow, get those tanned abs. The thing I envy most of all at the moment, is that she probably runs in the warm sunshine, sees the sun, feels the warmth of the sun. Feeling mega weather deprived at the mo. Bring on spring & pleading with the universe to give us a decent summer!

Iamaslummymummy Thu 07-Feb-13 18:24:47

Evening all

Meals here today:
B flax "porridge" with cream and blueberries
L butterEd spinach and broccoli with some cold cuts
D bolognaise with courgette "spaghetti" and Parmesan
S yogurt, cream and peanut butter

Need to up my water content. I'm probably only on a litre a day. Thats not going to do me any good

Valdeeves Thu 07-Feb-13 18:34:26

Postbellum - I feel the same, I can't wait for summer here and if we don't have all that rain again I'm emigrating!
Had another day house hunting with my baby DD, no joy yet.
Felt quite a few strong carb cravings today - it's the weather I'm sure. I really wanted some oatmeal raisins cookie or flapjack type snack today I didn't though.
Mark Apples wife looks Mark's wife looks amazing - would love to have abs like that. I've always had a tummy now post two kids - it's very frumpy looking in clothes.
Breakfast today was scrambled eggs, butter, spinach and Parma ham.
Lunch was half a Boursin garlic and herb, with celery and Parma ham.
Dinner - yet to be decided.

Got to jump the hurdle of getting kids both bathed and bedded, do the shred then cook and housework. Hubby is very busy at work at the mo so feeling the burn of doing the majority of everything.

Valdeeves Thu 07-Feb-13 18:41:26

Feeling a bit glum today if I'm honest. The washing and housework feels like a never ending mountain to climb. The kids are at that age where they need help with or everything done for. Shouldn't moan but sometimes it's just physically exhausting.
BIWI - I really get what you were saying about slow loss. I am pretty sure I won't lose fast now and will need to exercise to knock it off. This is because the WOE has made me drop my pregnancy weight and its now about falling into the natural weight and maintaining.
Btw - anybody else craving butter?
On the Wright Stuff this morning I briefly caught a little debate about sugar addiction. Also one presenter said that butter is actually the best fat to eat and leaves the body more easily as its natural.

BlackAffronted Thu 07-Feb-13 18:46:50

Just been to an extra Zumba class, and it was totally pants sad Think it was geared at the older generation, I didnt even break a sweat shock

Doshusallie Thu 07-Feb-13 19:01:22

Ah that's cos your in the Zumba zone black. Hardcore now.

Not that i have ever done Zumba mind. I nearly did by accident a couple of threads ago. Went to what I thought was a Pilates class, stood around waiting for it to start, thinking wow, lots of keenies here, wondered where the mats were etc. in marched mrs motivator with a ghetto blaster as big as my car, starts playing VERY LOUD flamenco type music and everyone launches into the grapevine. I scarpered. No sports bra on and in the Pilates mind set you understand. Oh how we laughed hmm

Right I'm here with my rollers in (38 today I'm allowed) getting ready to go out for dinner with the girls, and I herewith give everyone permission to have a bevvie tonight! grin

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 19:18:41

grin

prettybird Thu 07-Feb-13 19:20:50

Dh is thinking of joining me on Boot Camp from Monday, as he's impressed with my progress. Not sure he'll enjoy the two week no alcohol rule though

BTW - I did have a glass and a half of Cava on Friday, but then made dh drink on his own the rest of the weekend.

I'm currently wondering whether he would be better starting on Wednesday, ie after Shrove Tuesday, as he really enjoys pancakes and so do I, so I've still to work out how to manage that one And then I need to think about how we can have a nice Valentine's meal if he is on full Boot Camp, so no wine and no possibility of doing something with berries and cream for dessert hmm

Maybe he should start on Friday grin

SavoirFaire Thu 07-Feb-13 19:27:27

pancakes

I haven't made these but worth a try?

timidviper Thu 07-Feb-13 19:28:23

Black There is a class called Zumba Gold which is aimed at "oldies, fatties and the infirm" according to my cousin who goes to one. Maybe you wandered into one of those! You are way fitter than me, I am still trying to pluck up courage to try the Gold version!

Was thinking about your earlier posts and it does sound as though your body is having a really good clearout from every orifice. Better out than in as they say, just think how amazing you could feel when it has finished detoxing itself!

I have had a busy day; work this morning, meeting at lunchtime, hairdressers this afternoon then Lidl on way home. Phew! Personal trainer tomorrow morning then, hopefully, an afternoon of peace and quiet to read although I do have a mountain of CPD to do, will have to see how my conscience goes!

SavoirFaire Thu 07-Feb-13 19:38:57

Feel like death warmed up today. Was flue-y yesterday and not really any better today and DH has come down with it as well (and has thrown up just to add to it). Worst part is the inevitable knowledge that the DCs will be next and the weekend will be ruined as well as part of our week off!

B: Couldn't face eggs, had a bowl of yogurt with cinammon at about 10
L: some mince and veg. Wasn't very nice.
D: Really not sure. Not hungry at the moment and cannot be arsed to cook anything.

Need to drink more water. DH and I are fighting over the two remaining painkillers in the house. He is asleep at the moment, so I could jump in and take them, but that seems rather mean!

prettybird Thu 07-Feb-13 19:39:06

Recipe looks worth a try - but looks like it is American style pancakes and Pancake Day chez Prettybird consists of lots of lovely thin crepes and sugar and lemon juice

Dosh I'm having a glass of sparkling mineral water in your honour <keeno>

timidviper Thu 07-Feb-13 20:16:55

Dosh I'm having sparkling water too <toasts your health>

ShebaQueen Thu 07-Feb-13 20:25:00

Evening all, had a fab lunch today at Loch Fyne - the perfect restaurant for low carbing. Luckily I got to choose the venue.

I had mussels to start and then pan-fried salmon with hollandaise sauce, samphire and broccoli. It was absolutely delish. Stuck to sparkling water and resisted the vino.

Have a big weekend ahead celebrating my Mum and Dad's Golden Wedding Anniversary so am planning my eating and drinking strategy. Am not confident that I have tamed my sweet tooth yet and don't want to risk losing control and stuffing carbs. Will be having a couple of glasses of champagne though.

Have a good evening all.

coldethyl Thu 07-Feb-13 20:36:09

<raises glass of fizzy water to Dosh>

Celeriac chips a triumph, and anyone who thinks they are getting between me and the leftovers at lunchtime tomorrow is in for a nasty shock!

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 20:46:42

Dosh Happy Birthday to you! Henjoy!

NoveltySlippers Thu 07-Feb-13 20:47:47

Valdeeves sorry you're feeling bit glum today.

Just eaten half a chicken. Feel a bit caveman-like... Had it with coleslaw and rocket though, so all permitted smile Those pancakes look really good, might have to search out almond meal and give them a go next week...

thenightsky Thu 07-Feb-13 21:34:49

BIWI We are the same age! I've struggled big time to keep weight off since getting middle aged. Back in my 20s and 30s I only had to drop below 1,000 calories a day to lose half a stone in 2 or 3 days. When I was doing low cal last year I was lucky to get 2 lbs off in 3 weeks.

Good article in the DM on line today that caught my eye re butter... as we suspected

thenightsky Thu 07-Feb-13 21:35:54

whoever said...'is anyone else craving butter?'... no I'm not, but I AM MASSIVELY craving clotted cream blush

captainmummy Thu 07-Feb-13 21:50:08

Black - so, have you weighed yourself post -eeerrrrm,clearout?

craving butter? Or clotted cream? Why don't you have some? I had linseed crackers for lunch slathered in butter (and salt).

Dinner was 2 Lidl 3% chipolatas, and roasted redcabbage. Some Lidl yog and a coffee with cream.

Rollergirl1 Thu 07-Feb-13 21:53:40

I'm not a chocolate/sweet lover anyway but had a craving and had a nibble of lindt 85% choc (okay a square, had about 3 bite fulls), jesus, that stuff is not kind!

I'm not in the spreadsheet but read every day and you're all giving me recipe ideas and keeping me focused.

I'm still not going below the 9 stone which is my lowest weight since having my children.

I think some of you might not be that far from me. BIWI, you seem to talk about Betwixt the commons? I lived there for about 10 years. Miss it dreadfully. Now i'm in lovely Surrey. Dosh, wonder where you are? You seem to be distance length out of waterloo to me perhaps.

Anyway, keep on keeping on. Having a few vodkas tonight. Is anyone else drinking?

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 22:13:33

Rollergirl, I'm in SW19 (but not the posh bit!)

thenightsky Thu 07-Feb-13 22:20:24

captainmummy I am craving clotted cream but not having any because I live in the back of beyond and it doesn't seem worth the petrol costs to do a 40 mile round trip to supermarket grin

Tomorrow is Big Shop day, so I will be satisfying the craving tomorrow evening.

Rollergirl1 Thu 07-Feb-13 22:25:35

BIWI: Used to be SW11 and SW12 and still miss it after 7 years. Have I not seen a post once where you were talking about Chez Bruce? Used to be mine and DH's absolute fave place to go! I'm sure you could manage a magnificent low carb feast to die for in there!

BIWI Thu 07-Feb-13 22:27:16

Oh yes - love Chez Bruce! Haven't been for a while, though

Ruprekt Thu 07-Feb-13 22:34:23

B - FF yoghurt

L - sausages with broccoli and sprouts

D - chicken with celeriac chips, asparagus and broccoli

S - yoghurt with blueberries, pork scratchings.

And I was so chuffed as I went to Waitrose and the Black Farmer sausages were reduced down to 99p so I bought them all!! 4 packs of low carb sausages!

Ruprekt Thu 07-Feb-13 22:34:57

And the cream cheese pancakes are excellent!

Just eggs and cream cheese whisked together and then cooked in frying pan.

Bessie123 Thu 07-Feb-13 23:00:50

Could someone please post the roasted red cabbage recipe for me? Dp has asked me to cook the red cabbage in the fridge and I don't want to braise it with fruit - not v low carb.

Ta xx

Ruprekt Thu 07-Feb-13 23:05:18

Bessie = finely chop it and place in roasting tin with olive oil and salt and pepper. Then roast it! I added some water half way through to prevent it drying out. It is really tasty.

PrettyPirate Thu 07-Feb-13 23:09:51

I don't post very often but been reading these threads non-stop (bloody hard to keep track though!), you guys are amazinggrin. Keep it going!!

I'm definitely looking this LC as a WOE not diet, I can see myself eating and enjoying this lovely food forever (and having very occasional cakewink).

Until today haven't felt like snacking between meals, today period started together with strong headache and it's been so hard to stop thinking about naughty food! After lunch I even made LC chocolate pudding from recipe thread to make me feel better. Haven't touched forbidden food though. Hope this calms down soon before I do!

BIWI - we lived in SW19 too, and not the posh bit! When tennis was on I remember taking baby DD for a walk every day up and town the road to get free newspapers and smoothies they were handing out to visitorsgrin

Ruprekt - ooh I do love a low carb bargain!
How is Mr ruprekt doing? Still sticking to it? He is welcome to post too you know!
Ladies am off to bed with a pint of water as have been celebrating dosh s birthday for her!

Valdeeves Thu 07-Feb-13 23:25:07

Thanks Novelty xxx

Lavenderhoney Fri 08-Feb-13 03:24:53

Dd kept me up the last 2 nights and I have had about 8 hours sleep and not even consecutivesad feel terrible. Have resisted though and stuck to it. I must sleep tonight and dh is looking forward to having a drink with me but I am going to turn it down.

I made the dc chocolate fondants and my dd left a tiny bit- I was in the a act of scooping it out to eat in a reflex action but stopped myself! I don't know how.. I bought a small rub of crunchy peanut butter to have a tiny amount as that seems to help with sweet cravings. I haven't had sweet cravings before in this woe and they have just started over the last few days.

Yesterday

- egg, left over cabbage, mushrooms, in pan
- low carb sausage and spinach
- steak with cauliflower, green beans.

No snacks. Just too busy and tired. I feel every minute of my agesad
My tummy is podgy and hangy and has some kind of cellulite from the cs and stretching and looks awful. I used to be so slim and it was so effortless. Feel quite depressed today already sad

cathyandclaire Fri 08-Feb-13 07:14:11

Haven't been posting as have been just knackered, eating waaaay too much dark choc, nuts and wine-but puppies and mum are now all well and settled and I have slept for the last two nights grin I feel like a new woman! So have eaten better and managed to lose some of the bloat, so half a pound to go to get back on track.
B: low carb sausages and mushrooms
L: Leek Frittata
S: Prawns with chili, parsley and some ginger, noodles for the rest rocket for me.

Womenandchickensfirst Fri 08-Feb-13 07:58:06

I was in a deli for a coffee yesterday, waiting for DH, and read this month's copy of Delicious magazine. Well researched article along lines of 'have the docs got it wrong about diets?', with the conclusion that low carb is the way forward! They admitted it was controversial, but had backed it up with latest research, which was comforting.

I'm having an Afternoon tea party tomorrow for a local cause, so am baking cakes, macaroons, fruit tartlets and will be making beautiful little sandwiches. I'm hoping that if I keep busy with the entertaining I won't be tempted! Have got the flaxseed to make me the Tiffin.

LavenderBriggs Fri 08-Feb-13 08:22:34

<hands OtherLavender a big gift-wrapped box of green olives> Sorry to hear you sounding so down. You're doing so well and you managed not to eat left-over choc cake! That's a huge thing!

My back is also killing me, I'm fretting about not running enough and I have to do a heart-rate test for my degree course - I'm winding myself up and getting myself stressed. So, why don't we plan on doing some pilates as it will centre us a bit and might take some pain out of our backs and it will help the to build lean muscle.

Now, eat your olives and plan your pilates.

LavenderBriggs Fri 08-Feb-13 08:25:18

...help to build...* Pah, coffee hasn't hit the spot yet.

captainmummy Fri 08-Feb-13 08:25:52

Womenandchickens- that's interesting! I really think the media are waking up - I read an article in the Te;egraph Magazine (in the cookery bit) about low-carbing, altho the author did end by saying it wasn't for her. Controversial yes, and against gov and drs advice - but the evidence is there. How long before we get more and more articles like that (and NOT like the waitrose magazine, showing a couple on a low-fat, high-carb and high-processed -buy from waitrose!- diet! (They are losing weight after weeks, but the crap they are eating! And how long to put it all back on again? She is even admitting to 2 biscuits a day)

captainmummy Fri 08-Feb-13 08:29:52

Rollergirl - I am in Surrey - tho I am right down near the west sussex border.

EwanHoozami Iran Fri 08-Feb-13 08:37:36

c&c good news on the pups. I wish human pups settled as quickly <looks askance at hourly-waking 9mo> I like the idea of spicy prawns on rocket.

Does anyone have some motivation they can throw my way? Am still feeling distinctly down in the dumps for much the same reasons as Valdeeves. I am in fact writing this perched on the bath while waiting for 3yo DS to wipe his bottom as the baby pulls everything out of the bathroom drawers. Haven't got the energy to stop him. Bad Mother.

B: Lidl yog
L: packed lunch of cold meats and hard-boiled eggs
D: chicken thighs marinaded in mayo, lemon and herbs with a big salad

BIWI Fri 08-Feb-13 08:38:23

This is how I cook my red cabbage:

- shred cabbage and boil in salted water for around 5 minutes, till it's no longer hard/crunchy
- drain into a colander/sieve
- add a very large knob of butter to the pan, and some sliced shallots (the number of shallots you use depends on how much cabbage you're using - if I was using a whole cabbage I'd probably use 3-4), and saute over a medium heat until they are soft, seasoning with salt and black pepper
- when soft, add the cabbage back to the pan and stir so that all the buttery juices coat the cabbage - if necessary/you like, add more butter at this stage
- then pour a generous sloosh of red wine vinegar over the whole thing, stir again then put the lid on the pan
- turn the heat right down to its lowest setting and leave it to braise for 20-30 minutes (or you could transfer to a casserole dish and put it in the oven if you have the oven on)

If you can find raspberry vinegar, this makes a lovely addition in place of red wine vinegar. (But don't know the carb count of this)

Kiriwawa Fri 08-Feb-13 08:44:46

littlermiss - did you clock the caption under the photo in the DM article? 'Butter vs margarine: The nation's morning toast has been ruined for decades by kind-hearted women'

How do they get away with this shit? angry

DS brought how a Be Food Smart leaflet from school yesterday. It says 'We all know that too much fat is bad for us ... The fat that's really bad for us is saturated fat. That's the one in things like butter, cheese, pies and fatty meats like streaky bacon and sausages.'

I have put it in the bin

PostBellumBugsy Fri 08-Feb-13 08:44:56

Doffs cap to south west Londoners & Chez Brucers. I was SW11 & then SW18 for nearly 20 years. Moved out about 5 years ago - go back alot - do still miss it from time to time though.

BIWI Fri 08-Feb-13 08:51:57

Valdeeves/Ewan - sorry you're feeling a bit gloomy. Here is my prescription for you both:

Wrap up warm in whatever clothes are close to hand. Sod what they look like.

Forget washing (clean teeth only!) and just go out. Get in the car and go to a park you don't normally go to, or walk if you can.

Feed the ducks.

Run around.

Go to the farm and feed the animals/stroke the rabbits.

Have lunch in a cafe.

AND LEAVE THE BASTARDING HOUSEWORK TO GET ON WITH ITSELF FOR THE REST OF THE WEEKEND!

No point putting it all away as it will be just as bad by the next day.

Then when you get home, jump in a bath all of you together with lots of bubble bath and sod the wet floor. It's water, it will soon dry.

Out of bath, in your PJs, snuggle on the sofa and watch a DVD.

Order a takeaway

Open a bottle of something lovely.

Or - if you've got someone who is at home this evening to look after the DC, call a friend and suggest an impromptu night out. And GO OUT - don't stay in, even if it's at their house.

Forget that you are a mum for a while.

<ends prescription>

<waves from SW20>

womenandchickens I read that one too - surprised to find it amongst all the recipes for pies and potatoes! It was by Taubes I think, very interesting reading. I read that DM article too - revolted to read that marge is naturally grey and they just add the yellow colouring! I know I probably still eat too much processed stuff as I adore things like bacon and salami, but in the scheme of things this WOE is so much healthier! I noticed yesterday that we haven't taken our recycling out for ages as it's just not filling up like it normally does - got to put that down to no canned drinks, pizza boxes, cereal boxes, tins of beans etc. So not only are we healthy we are helping the environment smile

ToomuchWaternotWine Fri 08-Feb-13 09:13:25

Morning all, just to send get well vibes to everyone struggling a bit with winter bugs etc. there were over 60 kids off sick this week in Ds school, which is about a fifth of the 300 or so kids in the whole school! There were 10 off in his class, out of 24!! Mad.

Enjoyed my food yesterday:
B the usual 2 eggs scrambled with butter and double cream
L a portion of leftover "cottage pie" but made with turkey mince, leeks, mushrooms and celeriac mash, with a plate of rocket and watercress salad, oil and feta
D roasted chicken thigh, served with celeriac chips and Savoy cabbage braised with pancetta and cream
Late night snack (after being out late) a few raspberries and a splash of double cream

Seriously, I love this WOE!!

Hope everyone has a good day. First day of mini half term here (scotland) so we are getting ready to go for a walk in the local hills. Ds has a sleepover tonight (here) so this is the start of Operation Exhaustion today!!

EwanHoozami Iran Fri 08-Feb-13 09:21:03

BIWI that's my kind of prescription. I've been umming and ahhing about whether to take the DCs to the zoo today as I have some free passes. It's bastard cold (and I have no car!) but you've inspired me to do it. The housework can't get any worse if we're not in it, right?

<sneaky hug to say thank you for turfing me out of the child-pit>

carbalanche Fri 08-Feb-13 09:58:02

First major lapse in 5 weeks! Had people round on Wednesday and put out wine and nibbles. Resisted for a while with my herbal tea and then just thought SOD IT! Had nearly a bottle of red wine (first alcohol in over a month!) and lots of breadsticks and chocolate biscuitty nibbles. Tasted lovely too. Someone else said that they are envious of people who have lost the taste for sweet things or find things "too sweet". I am absolutely NOT one of those people - it was all delicious. But then again, when I was a vegetarian I was never one of those who was repulsed by the smell or taste of meat - bacon still held all its appeal I just didn't eat it.

Drank some more wine last night and succumbed to a late-night bowl of rice crispies too. I just know that alcohol knocks me off this WOE and I must abstain. Going away tomorrow for a few days so am on dangerous ground. Might not be able to post on Monday but am expecting a gain for the first time in 5 weeks but am determined to not let this lapse become a total Relapse.

oh dear carbalanche, it's done now, and you can't change that, and on the plus side at least you now know your triggers

it's difficult if you're going away of course, but as soon as you can, to go back to proper basic bootcamp with three meals a day, plenty of water, and plan some low carb meals you really love and will look forward to

Doshusallie Fri 08-Feb-13 10:52:44

Hi all! Thanks for alll birthday good wishes I had a top day and evening. Head aches rather....hmm but not too bad.

FF yog mixed with double cream for brekkie.

I am GU35, on the Surry/Hants border.

Rollergirl1 Fri 08-Feb-13 11:37:23

Dosh: Ooooh, you're very near my hometown of Alton (GU34). Are you from there?!

I'm now KT15 so in North Surrey.

As for all the SW'ers, I still go back there quite a lot. Still have friends that live round there so nip in and out quite regularly. I do miss the not having the world on your doorstep. But I was certainly glad that we moved out when the kids started school. All of my friends that stayed had total nightmares finding school places and lots of them either ended up having to go private or moving out because they had no other choice.

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 11:42:33

Morning all.

Value eves and Ewan, I'm also feeling down. Started my period today and have had sore boobs the last week.

Having a few days of can't be bothered-ness at the moment. That includes eating. I have been making or preparing myself something to eat everyday since starting on bootcamp. I've been eating mostly chicken in terms of food but have never really liked it and am getting bored of it. Fr the last couple of days, even spreading cheese onto ham has let like too much effort.

I am a stay at home mum. The house is a mess. DP was away for 4 nights last week so I think I'm just tired. I'm always tired though and I wake up feeling more tired so the cycle keeps going on. My dc are 5 and 3 and really fun most of the ime but my 5 year old won't do as she's told unless I shout at her. She can make herself cry at nothing and I'm sick of my own voice, as from the time I get up to the time I go o bed, there's always something going on. I do suffer with anxiety/stroke depression.

Funnily though, I am not tempted to reach for sweet food, or comfort food which used to help me feel slightly, erm, comforted. That is a big improvement, but I haven't yet felt the whole feeling energised thing. I know that's probably down to not eating properly.

Does anyone have any tips for those days when you can't be bothered? I do manage to get my kids sorted but that is about all I can manage.

Also, any tips for getting to sleep better? I find it difficult to switch off at night. My DC don't often go too bed too early and I don't like to eat until they do, so often it gets late and like I say I don't have the energy to bother.

Anyway, sorry to be such a gloomy cow, but I thought I'd ask for help here, not about the food side of things but more about how you all cope if and when you have weeks days like this.

Many thanks.

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 11:45:25

Oh and I can't keep up with this thread but I noticed someone said they were having sweet cravings. I recently discovered liquorice tea, twinings, and it is delicious. Very sweet and with or without a spoonful of coconut oil, it is really comforting. Only trouble is that you shouldn't have too much if you have hypertension. I don't know how much too much is, bu I have about 4-5 cups a day.

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 11:53:50

Ok, forget about liquorice tea. Apparently you shouldn't drink it day in day out. Sorry for mentioning that. I didn't think to check what hypertension was before posting and now I've looked into it, I guess I'd better stop having it.

Are there any other herbal teas that should be avoided?

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 11:55:14

Posted too soon!

Apparently it depletes the body potassium as wel as affecting blood pressure. I wonder if that why my legs and calves have been feeling so tired. I am such a muppet sometimes!
blush

Rollergirl1 Fri 08-Feb-13 12:02:03

Mumat39: It can be really tough sometimes when you have little'uns and you're the one that has to deal with it day in day out. I work from home and have a 6 and 4yr old. DH is out of the house from 7 till 7 so I have to do everything. We had a really bad morning this morning and I was shouting at the kids by 8am. I got home from the school run and burst in to tears down the phone to DH. To be honest it helped just being able to unload to someone and for him to tell me that i'm not a rubbish mother and that everyone has days like these. Being a parent is really hard and as long as we do the best we can that's all anyone can ask. So chin up Mumat39. smile

As for not being able to get to sleep. How about going to bed with a good book and reading for a bit until you start to feel tired?

DangerousMouse Fri 08-Feb-13 12:05:49

Good morning all, this is going so well, I'm just not hungry! I am also in Surrey, maybe we should arrange a meet up meal somewhere.

attention bootcampers

Biggest losers of the week: timidviper and switchedtoeatingcheese
Biggest loser so far: Lavendersbluedillydilly1969
Biggest %age loser so far: Lavendersbluedillydilly1969

well done all, and well done everyone for getting past the 3/4/5 weeks point which is when it can get tough

dangerousmouse I was going to suggest that! Not that I live in Surrey, but if there were groups of people near each other they could go for an end of bootcamp dinner after week 10 - all steak, fish, cheese board and vodka sodas on the menu of course.

captainmummy Fri 08-Feb-13 13:27:59

Rollergirl - I used to live in KT4, worcester Park. Like lots, we moved outside the M25 for better schools/air/way of life. Not sure we found it (certainly not the air - am right by Gatwick Airport!) but we are surrounded by lots of countryside, if we get in the car to find it.grin
Mumat39 - it is so tough. Have you tried Camomile tea (good for stress-relief), peppermint tea (dittto) or even those fruit teas? (I don;t like these personally, taste too sweet) I drink rooibos tea - it comes in vanilla flavour too (also too sweet for me but useful for sweet cravings i guess) Also good for sleep problems is an oil called Valerian - buy from health food shops. 1or2 drops in hot water makes you sleepy. Also lettuce has a soporific effect. (My dp has sleep problems so have tried all these)

QuickLookBusy Fri 08-Feb-13 13:29:09

Afternoon all, sorry to hear some of you are feeling down and tired. I hope you're following BIWI's advice and are out and about.

I've made the flax seed bread this morning. It didnt quite rise, is it meant to?
I had it toasted with pâté and salad for lunch, it was really lovely. Ate about half of it and am a bit worried now that I've eaten too much flax for one day. There may be repercussions tomorrowblush

b-spinach, poached egg, bacon
L-flax seed bread with salad and pâté
D-chicken curry and cauliflower rice(haven't tried this yet so looking forward to it)

QuickLookBusy Fri 08-Feb-13 13:32:20

Oh meant to wish BlackAffronted good luck for tomorrow's Zumbathon!

Will be thinking of you!

Doshusallie Fri 08-Feb-13 13:38:01

Yes I am very near Alton! grin

Sorry to hear about people feeling low today.

Had a lush lunch. DH made me a 3 egg omelette with smoked sausage and leeks, which I had with leftover red cabbage.

DangerousMouse Fri 08-Feb-13 13:48:31

Ooooh, I'm right by Gatwick Airport aswell Captainmummy

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:52:53

Thanks Rollergirl thanks

It is exhausting isn't it. Shouting that early is not much fun. Makes me feel a teensy bit better that it's not just me. Thanks again.

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:57:42

Thanks captainmummy thanks

I didn't think I could have valerian because I'm on anti-depressants. Or maybe I'm thinking of St. John's wort. I have some camomile tea with spiced apple, and peppermint, but with those like a lot of herbal teas I prefer the smell to the taste, which I usually can't taste. hmm. I bought fennel tea the other day as the smell is lovely to me, but again, doesn't taste as ood as it smells.

I didn't know you could get room is with vanilla. Might try that one. Thanks again.

Hi everyone
DC have an inset day today so just back from the hell which is soft play.
Just having a bowl of my celeriac soup of loveliness.

mumat39 - I have felt like such a bad mother all week for shouting at DD aged 4. She keeps crying at EVERYTHING when she doesn't get her own way.
Second all the recommendations for fruit teas and peppermint. I don't particularly like camomile.

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 14:02:03

I'm hoping to make the tiffin at the weekend. Any suggestions for which sweetner to go for? Thanks.

PostBellumBugsy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:05:50

Sympathy to those of you with small DCs - it can be so unrelenting.

Best tip I ever got, was when my eldest DC was going through the assessment process for Autism about 10 years ago. A fantastic lady from the CAHMs team came around and gave me some pointers. One of her suggestions was to stop shouting & start talking calmly & give very clear, immediate consequences for non-compliance

DS is 13 now & DD is 11 & I swear to everything anyone considers holy - it was the best parenting advice I was ever, ever given.

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 14:05:56

Thanks Justasmallgless thanks

Do you know of any frut teas that taste as good as they smell. Such a shame as I think liquorice tea was becoming my favourite.

mumat39 I like the twinings raspberry and loganberry plus most blackcurrant ones. I can't bear peach or apricot ones. Peppermint is my fave though. Camomile just smells of silage to me!

Thanks Post. I know logically what I should do - just becomes very emotive. What would you suggest as consequences for a small girl who cries when she cant get her own way? I have tried talking to her about how she deals with disappointment at school but not getting anywhere with her

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 14:14:28

PostBellum, thanks for that. I think that's what worries me, how will I cope when they're older and hit their teens shock

I struggle with what sort of immediate consequences to go for. What sort of things did you use?

mumat39 Fri 08-Feb-13 14:15:41

Thanks Justasmallgless. And snap for the question to PostBellum smile

ToomuchWaternotWine Fri 08-Feb-13 14:23:12

I drank a LOT of fruit teas when I gave up caffeine for about 5-6 years (naturally this was pre DS when the world revolved around me and sleep was a given, oh how quickly that changed when he came along grin) and my only tip for mumat39 is that most of them need to brew for a lot longer than you think to get the full flavour. I used to leave the bag in the cup for over 5 minutes so it was really dark. Funnily enough, I prefer chamomile and peppermint quite weak, just a dunk swoosh and out, but fruity ones like raspberry, strawberry or blackcurrant are much nicer the stronger they are.

Rollergirl1 Fri 08-Feb-13 14:32:50

Ahhh, it is good to hear that others are in the same boat.

The culprit in my house is DS (4). He is soo sensitive and anything can set him off. Once he's unhappy it's like someone has turned a switch in him and he completely shuts down and becomes totally uncommunicative. He won't say whats wrong, won't talk to you, won't do anything that you ask him to. Things just tend to escalate from there. And nothing seems to work. I try cajoling, jollying along, ignoring (he doesn't like to be ignored) and eventually I get cross and start shouting. He works himself up in to such a state and I know that at this point he genuinely has no idea how to articulate his feelings, or even know what is wrong. But it's also like he's hell-bent on continuing down this course, and I can see on his face that he doesn't really want to be doing it, but it's almost like he thinks well i've started now so I have to see it through. All very tricky to manage at 8.30 in the morning when you're just about to step out the door for school! Arrrgh, I thought boys were meant to be easier?!

Anyway, sorry for the thread hi-jack.

Iamaslummymummy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:36:31

Twinings chai tea with cream and coconut is a surprisingly filling drink.

I'm an ex sw16 and got married in sw19! Now Kent though

PostBellumBugsy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:37:43

Gless & Mumat, I found it very hard to start (and there were many occasions when I lost it & ended up shouting) but I stuck with it and also developed a little arsenal of consequences. Alot of it will depend on what your likeschild.

So when mine were about 5 or so, they had a favourite TV programme, they loved really long bubble baths, they had favourite toys & games etc. DS was food motivated, so the after dinner treat worked for him, but DD couldn't give a toss about food, so was of no use with her. You have to have some consequences in your head, because otherwise under pressure you end up floundering around & it sounds weak. You also have to carry through, no matter how tough it seems.

I would also "motivate" (basically bribing), so I'd say "If you sit nicely at the table & eat your lunch, then we can play xxxx." I still do this now, so I say to them "if you help me bring in all the laundry & do the hoovering, we'll have more time to head over to the bowling alley / golf range / Claire's Accessories" etc.

The other thing that works well, when you are in a bit of a negative shouty phase is to try and find something that they have done to praise. It can be something as small as "oh, you drank your squash nicely" or "you walked home from school well today / sat in the car nicely". It can sometimes just break the cycle.

Iamaslummymummy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:38:46

My son also has autism (aspergers). Immediate logical consequences are what is needed. Ie they lose something or an activity linked with the behaviors. Unfortunately for me it has got more difficult as he has got bigger sad

captainmummy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:40:24

Re teas - I used to drink loads of coffee, but had a miscarriage a few years ago and got it in my head it was due to the cafffiene. So i switched to green tea, then to white tea, which i drink very weak. Now i drink rooibos black but weak (1 teabag is 2 cups - big mugs too!)
Dangerosusmouse - are you? Surrey side or sussex side? I work at gatwick and can walk to work in about 15 mins.

Iamaslummymummy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:40:45

" first" and "then" is a typical behavior management technique as post has shown. Knowing that they get something out of it can sometimes motivate the most unmotivated.

pyjamalover Fri 08-Feb-13 14:42:08

smile at 'dunk, swoosh and out' as making tea method!

Hugs to those of you exhausted/fed up/difficult kids. My DS is 2 and definitely starting to test boundaries, but feel like i dont spend enough time with him at the moment (when i'm not at work am revising for evil exams, other than fridays) so it's not as taxing as if it's all the time.

Feel very proud of myself for getting through 3 gruelling 12 hour night shifts without cheating, always finish nights feeling a bit dehydrated though and take a few days to catch up?

I recommend lemon and ginger tea btw, a bit of zing.

Don't apologise for the hijack - I think all these stressful things are when we start to think about having that extra cup of tea or a biscuit or just a small bit of chocolate or something else we associate with comfort that is carby. Getting it all off our chests here hopefully means we all realise that we have similar issues and therefore it is normal and instead will enjoy our fruit teas and cheese snacks!!!

DD is just 3, and really starting to frustrate me at times. I have really tried staying calm, really choosing which battles to fight and when (I HATE it when I start to make a point of something and then it escalates out of control and then I think afterwards who gives a shit if she wanted two pairs of socks on in bed and her pyjama bottoms on back to front) so I have been working hard to ignore as much as I can basically unless it is dangerous or rude/might hurt others.

At bedtime she chooses 3 books for us to read her and then she has 'bunnies book' after that. If I need her to do something I count down from three slowly and if I get to 1 before she has done what I have asked then she loses one of her bedtime stories - this only works for her because she hates that happening and on the odd occaision it does spends all the next day telling me she is being a good girl and will have three books that night! Not an immediate consequence but it works for her.

Because I am a teacher and I know you are supposed to praise more than tell off, I also try to use stickers with her as rewards. Either I just give her one and tell her what it is for and she proudly wears it, or if there is something specific she is being a pest about I make a reward chart (the other month it was for good manners which basically meant don't scream and throw yourself on the ground hysterically when you don't get your own way instantly). If she fills the chart she was allowed to buy something with the twenty pence pieces she collects in her money box!!!

OF course that is my plan, not always what happens. So much easier to type that than do it of course grin.

BIWI Fri 08-Feb-13 14:49:43

I'm sorry to hear of all your small child-related woes. I can't really help much, seeing as wot mine are now 20 and 17! I do remember being a bit of a shouty mummy though blush. When I look back, if I could give myself some advice, I would say to my younger self "does it really matter so much if he wants to do xxxx?" Sometimes, I realise, I was battling with them just to prove that I was in charge! Silly power struggles that actually don't make anything any better. So they get to wear the socks they want to? Who cares?! (A silly example, but sometimes it's very easy to get wound up over the minutiae of life).

Sounds like a meet up sooner rather than later would be a very good idea to cheer us all up!

I've had my induction at the new gym, and I've been a couple of times. I've also completed my third C25K run this week, so feeling very proud of myself. But I'm also feeling unaccountably sad about leaving the other gym. And my trainer hasn't been in touch about continuing with him, and I feel a bit like I've been dumped. sad I know that must sound silly, but that is, indeed, how I feel!

mrshp my parents did the losing a story at bedtime consequence too (though it always made my mum sad because she liked bedtime stories, i expect it's the same for you all when withdrawing fun things --except for softplay by all accounts--)

i agree with mrshp too about not worrying about 'hijacking' - stress, tiredness, sadness, anything that affects your peace of mind are all intrinsically linked with how we eat and how we treat ourselves, so it's important to talk these things through. this WOE is about looking after body and mind, so anything that affects physical and mental wellbeing is up for discussion. and everyone is of different ages, with different life and parenting experiences so there's always someone who can help, or at least give a virtual hug

Rollergirl1 Fri 08-Feb-13 15:06:34

Thanks everyone for all your advice and kind words, it means a lot.

I do threaten him with things being taken away and I do go through with it. So for this morning's meltdown he is going without pudding after his dinner tonight and he is not allowed to wear his Spiderman suit tomorrow. But he always tries to call my bluff when I issue these warnings. So for example, me telling him I'm taking away his spiderman suit, he'll go one further and state that he doesn't want it anymore and he's going to throw it in the bin. Of course I know that he doesn't mean it. But the main thing for me is how to deal with the immediate bad behaviour, for instances where threatening something just doesn't cut it. I'm talking things like taking his coat and his shoes back off when I've just put them on him, refusing to leave the house, refusing to get in the car, just basically being as un-coperative as he can possibly be.

BlackAffronted Fri 08-Feb-13 15:18:19