I F - 5:2 - 4:3 - Maintaining the healthy weight

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TalkinPeace2 Fri 01-Feb-13 16:59:38

This thread is for those who have been doing IF for quite a while and are now at or nearing their target healthy weight.

How do we experience fasts and balance a stable food intake while having little or no weight to lose?

How to we ensure that this WOE does keep us at the healthy weight long term rather than revert to yoyo games?

I have now been at the same weight for a month. I'm happy with that. I'm also still enjoying the 24 hour fasts because of the clear mindedness I get during them.

How about you?

Iwearblack Fri 01-Feb-13 19:09:24

Hi TiP2. I have been 5:2 for 5 months and have lost 16lbs with another 7 or so to lose to get a normal BMI. Have worked up to 20 hr fasts and feel good doing this. Have never been a 'dieter' as have always turned my nose up at quick fix or weird eating patterns but this WOE speaks to me and makes sense.
Much more interested in cooking good food now too ....
It will be weird to be in a position to not want to lose weight and do this WOE purely for health benefits .... Would like to hear how other people aim to do this or are doing it already ..

Snowkey Fri 01-Feb-13 20:07:13

Ha! Have just posted on the main thread that I'm on maintenance mode now. Sugar is my weakness, if I can stay away from sugar I can maintain easily. My Bmi has been between 20-21 for a year now.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 01-Feb-13 20:43:56

(((Snowkey)))
My BMI peaked at 22.4 and is now 20.5
so, what do you get out of fasts .... was talking to uber fit yoga teachers about it today .....

Iwearblack how far do you have to go to not be able to pinch an inch (as they said in the 1970's) - the only flabby skin I have left is stretch marks and as I hold 9st for longer, the economics of having that 'peeled' grow ....

Ezzza Fri 01-Feb-13 21:02:54

I'm still a stone and a half away from target yet but think this thread is a good idea as I am planning to continue with 5:2 once I get there so I'm going to lurk on here for a while.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 01-Feb-13 21:13:42

Welcome Ezzza
I have No intention of explaining acronyms on this thread.
It is for the experienced to swap notes.

And yes, talking to one of my Yoga teachers who has fasted at least once a month since she was 15 made me feel like a western softie!

FastFeeder Fri 01-Feb-13 22:56:59

My BMI has gone from 22.5 down to 19.5 on this regime. I wasn't officially overweight, but I was really unhappy with my middle-aged spread! In the last two years I took up cycling and got myself fit (probably for the first time in my life!), but the layer of fat around my middle refused to budge.

5:2 has worked for me in a way that exercise on its own just didn't. I've now lost 10kg/22lb since August and am at a weight that feels much more 'me' than where I was before. It's like I got my younger self's body back. I'd been buying (North American) size 12 clothes: last week I bought myself a new pair of jeans. Size 6!

I've never dieted in my life and this doesn't feel like a diet, it's much more like being in tune with what my body needs and giving it a break to recharge now and then. I'm much more relaxed about skipping a meal here and there and I'm fairly sure I'll continue to do that into the future.

Snowkey Fri 01-Feb-13 23:17:35

We fast primarily for the reduced cancer/Alzheimer's risk. It doesn't deliver weight loss for me unless I put the brakes on feed day eating but it does allow me to maintain with very little effort. We tend to tolerate the fast rather than enjoy it, I mean it's a relief each week when we finish them, would be nice at some stage to enjoy the feeling, but after 6 months we're not there yet!

Snowkey Fri 01-Feb-13 23:19:32

fastfeeder that's a brilliant loss - you must be thrilled to get into a pair of size 6's - I'd be dancing around the shop!

Breadandwine Fri 01-Feb-13 23:43:10

Thanks, TiP2 this thread is a good idea.

I've been maintaining since about October, flirting with 6:1, going back to 5:2 and now doing a modified version of 6:1.

This involves a 24 hour fast on Monday, followed by a <600 cals meal. Then on the Wednesday I finish my 2nd 24 hour fast of the week and have a normal meal to end the day.

I did this for the first time this week and I went a bit mad with the unaccustomed freedom in the evening. I don't stress about over-indulging - I just miss one or two meals on the next day if I have.

I'll try this for a couple of weeks and see how it goes. I do like the feeling I get from fasting - both the slight euphoria/extra energy I get, and the knowledge that health benefits are accruing.

I'm still losing a little weight - I'm toying with the idea of adding another notch (making 4 in total! smile) to my belt. So I'm consciously giving myself bigger portions on my non-fasting days.

Cheers, B&W

NatashaMousse Sat 02-Feb-13 01:26:43

I've been extra lean for decades and for at least that long have been interested in fasting but never had sufficient incentive to take it up. Seeing the Horizon programme in October offered an easy way to give it a go, along with a lot of health reasons. I jumped in with a 500-cal day and started researching like mad (IF and fasting in general). Quickly I concluded that longer calorie-free periods were more beneficial. My second fast was 34 hours with no calories. It was not enjoyable but the results were astonishing - I felt better physically, mentally, psychologically, spiritually than I had in years (maybe ever) - and lasted the entire week. I've repeated that (30 to 36 hours, depending on circumstances) once a week since the beginning of November and usually toss in a 16-hour fast later in the week. Like Snowkey ("tolerate the fast rather than enjoy it, I mean it's a relief each week when we finish them"), I still find the fasts to be a bit of a chore, but I'm not going to give up the sense of well-being they've produced.

Along the way I've learned that I can survive without breakfast (I don't recall ever going without prior to this, as I find them one of life's pleasures). I've also become convinced that fasting promotes healing and repair better than anything else.

For over a year now I've been tinkering with my diet and even had a short spell of trying meat after eating vegetarian/pescatarian for most of my adult life. Fasting and all the related reading I've been doing have added more fuel to the experimenting. I'm eating better than ever. Processed food and sugar are down to a minimum (pretty much limited to dark chocolate, which I refuse to give up), while healthy fats are up. I'm rediscovering the pleasures - and burdens - of preparing meals from scratch.

All in all, fasting has been a big boon, far more beneficial than I ever imagined. The issue for me is finding the best way forward. In order to avoid losing weight, I've been eating more on non-fast days, but that's mucking with the "satiety meter" that's served me well for so long. I guess the problem is that I haven't yet accepted my own version of 6:1 as something I will do for the rest of my life, so there's some resistance to adapting to it fully. In part that has to do with the fact that going without any calories for a long stretch still has some unpleasant aspects, particularly being deeply chilled. But it is getting easier. While I could try a variation, like B&W's 24-hour method, I'm reluctant to mess with success and have a gut feeling that additional hours, particularly if they occur during sleep, magnify the benefits. I plan to keep going with my current scheme for some months (feeling colder may be a real plus when summer comes) and keep researching. At some point I'll get blood work done and see if the numbers have improved along with everything else.

I'm very glad you started this thread, TIP. I look forward to learning how others are making fasting a permanent part of their lives. And maybe before too long there will be more research to help all of us work out our optimal regimens.

Snowkey Sat 02-Feb-13 07:57:46

Before Christmas I managed to do the 5:2 without losing any weight. I experimented with eating sugar again but lost the plot some what and have decided whatever dietary approach I choose, sugar has to get the big elbow. Will attempt to only eat puddings when we eat out but in Feb we have at least 6 meals booked into the calendar, which sounds like a lot of pudding and I may have to detox again, if the craving start kicking in outside of restaurant situations. We continue to limit the starches on our plate, having the occasional potato and the very occasional pie.

We are very much a cooking from scratch household, as my dsis always says processed food is such a waste of calories. Food is something we feel passionately about and that's the thing, when we fast, we don't have to worry about the content of our food, we just focus on getting the very best flavour. I'm tinkering with the humble sausage roll atm, which can be mind blowing when made with all butter puff pastry and homemade sausage meat.

virginposter Sat 02-Feb-13 09:04:35

I'm here too. Still have 7lbs or so to go but am switching my mind to the future now. I've decided that I'll concentrate on losing that last bit then I want to give maintenance as much thought and effort as I did to get to that point.
I've also been thinking for a while that soon it will be time to firm up whatever wobbly (not fat) bits are left. grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 02-Feb-13 09:36:25

Not officially on this thread as I've still got a long way to go but I just wanted to say congratulations to you all for getting here.

I very rarely eat processed food & will probably out myself now, but dd1 is allergic to nuts, dd2 to eggs & lactose & me to gluten! So actually processed food has always been a big no because I cannot be bothered to read through all the ingredients!

snowkey a friend of mine makes homemade sausage rolls, but her magic ingredients are grated apple & Dijon mustard. (Probably outed myself again) smile

Snowkey Sat 02-Feb-13 10:47:11

Intriguing, someone else suggested apple - my issue with sausage meat is that I hold no love for dried herbs and I find the so called premium sausages are a bit try hard, over-flavoured. I have some fresh sage and I'm going to fry it in butter with onion and try binding the mixture with egg and maybe oat bran rather than breadcrumbs. Pork, onion, sage, butter and pastry - I can't go that far wrong, can I?

catsrus Sat 02-Feb-13 11:06:22

I'm here too - though feeling a bit fragile after 3 very large glasses of wine with a friend last night blush.

In the past I've lost weight but not transitioned well to maintenance ( ie fallen off the wagon big time) so will really put some effort into getting it right this time. Tempting though it is to want to lose more I would rather stay at this weight if it's more sustainable long term (9 st 7lb)

Laska42 Sat 02-Feb-13 12:46:52

Hi im here too ... smile
maintaining at just over 10 ..and eating what I like . roast tatties again today !! .

thanks TIP for this new thread ..

Laska42 Sat 02-Feb-13 13:04:16

YAY TIP2 ditto to no acronym or basic principles explaining....wink its great that so many new people starting 5:2 but we were getting a bit swamped.

It seems strange that I'm at 'maintenance' i've never got there with any of the diets i've tried , but then this is not a b diet but definately a way of life for me now..

I'm happy to be here now ..

kiwigirl42 Sat 02-Feb-13 16:02:10

Hi guys, hope I can lurk over here with you guys too. Will keep me on the straight and progressively getting more narrow!

I just can't get over how much this changes how I feel about food. It like having a licence to kill - I know I can now eat anything I want without needing to feel guilty, which has made me in turn a lot more selective about what I eat. It mindfulness in action I suppose. Actively choosing to eat rather than mindlessly scoffing crap.

I add grated apple and chopped up dried apricots to sausage meat for rolls and stuffing. mmm.

sarajaynevz Sat 02-Feb-13 16:30:16

Great thread! I've been doing adf since last October and I'm now 6 pounds away from goal, (have lost 29.5lbs). I'm starting to transition from adf to 5:2 for maintenance and maybe eventually do a 6:1 ratio down the road. Right now I'm mentally struggling with the idea that I'm almost at goal. I've gotten so used to being in 'weight loss mode' that I can't wrap my mind around not working on this part anymore. It's actually causing me a bit of stress right now confused

Laska42 Sat 02-Feb-13 16:51:38

B&W I'm just making my 2nd batch of crumpets! last weeks were good , but not as 'holey' as expected .. This week I'm trying Dan Lepard's recipe ( he says my batter wasn't thin enough) . ..

Anyway , my maintenance strategy ...

I'm now doing what could be described as 5:2 and three quarters ..

Sunday: I eat what I want for breakfast , but then no lunch and only stir fry veggies for dinner (so probably about 900 cals max) , then I have 16 hrs total fast

Monday: 500 cals split into 2 meals.

Tues: I try to go without breakfast and have about 750 cals split into lunch and dinner, 16hr total fast

Weds: eat normally but healthily so if I go out for a meal it would be that day . (I might have some wine but do try not to drink at all during the week)

Thurs: 500cals two meals breakfast and dinner 16hrs fast

Friday: no breakfast and a light lunch usually soup and salad.

Friday evening to Sunday lunch: I eat what I want . .. this includes roasties, bread, cheese and wine.. ..

I'm feeling like this was the eating diet I wanted all along.. no deprivation at all.. grin

I'd like to drop another half stone, but right now this is what I'm doing .I've plateaued at this weight for a few weeks now, but have lost a 21lbs on this so far, BMI 26.0 to 22.4, which is just great . So at the moment I'm concentrating on embedding the new eating habits in it in and will have another strict month , before I go on holiday , probably April time

TalkinPeace2 Sat 02-Feb-13 18:02:17

Well I just got back from an amazing lunch at a vahy posh country house hotel (that was free!!) and it was interesting to be served what, on the plate, looked like tiny portions of food but that were so flavourful that after five courses I do not feel the need for dinner.
Might have a glass of wine though!

For me, because DH still has a way to go on weight loss, fasting will remain part of the routine but I'll play it by ear whether I actually do lose any more. With warmer weather and eating more salads it might be easy, it might be hard.

Lovely to have a quiet corner to chat to the stalwarts :-)

mumrunner Sat 02-Feb-13 18:31:49

Can I join you? I only have 4lbs to get to target and I am now thinking on what to do afterwards. I'm never in maintenance situation before it was always trying to loss the excess weight. I'm going to lurk and post now and then on how I got on.

Hi smile

Thanks for the new thread TIP2 . Hello all, just marking my spot as it were and catch up with you all after the weekend.

Happy fasting...

welshmill Sat 02-Feb-13 19:25:41

I'm still about 11lb of my target weight of 8st but I'm not stressing to get rid of it as I feel pretty relaxed around food and want to keep it that way from now on. If you'd told me in August(10st 5lb) when I started this WOE that by January I'd be 8st 11lb I wouldn't have believed you. I haven't been under 9st for over 15 years and I still can't quite come to terms with how (relatively) easy this has been compared to all the other diets/exercise regimes I have tried in the past. What's more, unlike those diets, I don't feel bored or dispirited or beaten by it. 5:2, where have you been all my life!

Alaska77 Sat 02-Feb-13 21:14:11

Thanks for the thread TiP2' can I join? I've lost 15lb to date and still have a small way to go but I'm happy with this WOE and see it as a long term thing. I've been doing IF since September, some weeks with more fast days than others.

I love he clear mind that fasting gives me, the sense of control from the cleanse and the positivity it gives me. I'm going through a period of change in starting a new job and I couldn't possibly have tackled it a few months ago with my fuzzy over fed mind.

Thanks to everyone for your continued inspiration grin

Bordercollielover Sat 02-Feb-13 21:19:42

I have a way to go before I reach my weight and BMI goals but would like to move over to this thread if that's ok? I have been on the original since Thread 1 but feel that it is now really for people who are not only new to fasting but also don't appear to have seen the programme or done a lot of reading. I realise they need to chat but its really the opinions of those who have been not only doing 5:2 but also thinking about it that I really want to keep up with.

TalkinPeace2 Sat 02-Feb-13 21:43:05

Splendid, we are nearly all here ...

I am still slightly gobsmacked how easy it has been too. Bearing in mind that I totally relaxed over Christmas, put on 7 pounds and shifted it again in three weeks is just amazing. I'd almost given up on losing weight as I near 50 ....

And yes, it's the clarity of mind on the afternoon of a fast that is almost the best bit. I'm doing some investigation type work at the moment and I get real brainwaves when I've not been eating.
Of course it makes complete evolutionary sense - when you've not got food you need to be alert.

virginposter Sat 02-Feb-13 23:44:44

I'd like to say thanks to B&W for pointing the way to this thread and to TiP for the idea of an oldies moving on thread.
Isn't it strange that we are at this stage now after only 6 months and also I've noticed how many of us say ”I can't believe how easy it's been". I also find that when people say how slim I am I often say "am I?" in a genuine way.
I find that I have to stop and ask myself "how much do I weigh? 12 stone 2lbs - oh, no, it's now 10 stone 8lbs!! Amazing!!

SpiralSkies Sun 03-Feb-13 11:56:52

I think I might come and loiter here too - terrific not having to read the same questions every day so thanks for setting up the thread! I've been doing 5:2 since August - haven't lost weight, particularly, but happy to be maintaining without actively dieting.

It's all about the health benefits for me - though you'll hear me squeal with joy if I ever shake these last pesky 7lb!

literarygeek Sun 03-Feb-13 13:38:30

Hi all, and thanks TiP2. May I pop in, too? I am not yet at my unofficial target but am at BMI 21 and much closer to my happy zone than I was 3 months ago when I began. I am small-framed and bmi 21 looks a lot bigger on me than it does on some people.

I feel way more in control and I am enjoying my food a lot more: just taking my time and savouring everything feels so good.

I just have one question, though...

What is a TDEE?

Only joking wink

Ezzza Sun 03-Feb-13 13:53:28

literarygeek hahahahahahaha! Had a mental image of a few heads exploding on this thread at your question there. Hee hee! [evil grin]

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sun 03-Feb-13 14:58:41

hello everyone, can I move over to this one? I've been doing this since September (I think) and lost all the weight I was aiming for... TBH I was hoping I would lose more and have to move to 6:1, but perhaps that was too much to hope for! Anyway, DH still has some to lose...

Does it count as a NSV if my boss asks if I've lost weight? IN theory it should but I just found it kind of... disturbing... confused

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sun 03-Feb-13 14:59:46

whoops, that was meant to be in italics not underlined blush That'll teach me not to read the instructions or preview the message!

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 15:22:00

Adefinate NSV sarah.. as long as he/she isnt creepy /slightly overtactile like my (thankfully just left ) boss was....

I had a NSV (of sorts) as I spent yesterday morning with my 7 week old grandson and the photos DH took show me looking , well quite frankly a bit skinny ( for me that is!) as although I'm 10st I'm 5'6 and quite large framed ..But they have also made me realise i definitely do need to stop making excuses to tone up though .. The photo of me looking adoringly down at my gorgeous DGS definitely showed a slightly - shall i say - 'wattley' neckline ..You see I have no fat left there to plump it out any more... (Oh I am so vain!!).

literarygeek re TDEE its a kind of cream bun that you can eat on non fast days I think..grin.

Thanks again TIP" you were right it was a good idea.. I hadn't thought of making a maintainers thread.. good call.. the lunch sounded good.....
Ill be making this later on today carrot, cardamom and orange spiced soup (sans cream and with only a spray of olive oil ) for my fast days this week. If its good ill l post it on the recipe thread .

B&W crumpets were a stunning success! im just about to post a picture of them up on my profile

(and also one of the slightly scary grandmotherly wattles and the gorgeous grandson for a short time only if any of you would like to see)

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 16:04:47

so for a short time only i have some more photos up on my profile ..

Breadandwine Sun 03-Feb-13 16:47:34

Rats! I'm not a happy bunny! I've just spent over half an hour responding to you, Laska, plus other random thoughts - and I've just had a 2 minute server outage and lost the lot!

The post must have been about 6" long - and every word a gem, honest! grin

Ah, well, back to the drawing board (via a Word document this time!!).

Just to say, Laska that your grandson definitely belongs in the 'bonny baby' category! (I expect you're claiming full credit for that! grin)

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 17:40:14

Rats indeed B&W but looking forward to your reply..

Now , naughtily, and IN SPITE of what TIP2 said, I will ( just this once) explain NSV for those who may not have read my original post about this way back in thread whatever..

NSV = Non Scale Victory..(which is term used by us old WW lags and probably plenty of others although i've never heard it anywhere else)

That is those incidents or moments when you or someone else realised you've lost lots of weight by being able to suddenly fit into something you've had at the back of your wardrobe,, That you have to adjust your seat belt or rucksack strap down a notch or two, or can actually get into a canoe without worrying how you will get out.. etc etc .. They are great when they happen grin

Thats it.... NO More acronym explanation will be allowed on this thread.. Hey? winkgrin

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sun 03-Feb-13 17:52:47

I have just rescued two pairs of trousers from the jumble sale bag!! I had forgotten about the clothes, which were meant to have gone to charity ages ago because I couldn't fit into them, but found them while tidying... so they have gone back into my wardrobe grin

I can't think I would ever get into a canoe without wondering how I would get out Laska... how exactly do you get out of one anyway?

Iwearblack Sun 03-Feb-13 17:55:09

Oo I didn't dare ask what NSV was - I looked it up on google (Urban dictionary very useful for forums)
laska - lovely photos; v impressed with the crumpets but of course grandson adorable.
I love the afternoon euphoria when fasting too -couple it with a double (black) espressos and woosh!

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 03-Feb-13 18:10:56

Like after8s I have a long way to go but can I stalk you guys lurke please as your posts are so useful (Pookey/Giraffes)

sleepdodger Sun 03-Feb-13 18:23:05

Hi could someone link to this regime please, a girl at work has been doing it sine seeing the horizon programme but I've already asked her loads of questions about it and fear looking like a stalker if I ask any more blush
Post DS I was smaller than before at 8-10 but classic pouch
16 months of ft sitting at desk eating has see me creep to 10-12 but without time to exercise properly this is of interest!
Is there anything I should know or be aware of before starting?
Thanks

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 03-Feb-13 18:28:43

sleepdodger you need this thread will see you there grin

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 03-Feb-13 18:30:12

that came out a bit weird but it is 5:2 thread 11. The book is really useful too www.amazon.co.uk/The-Fast-Diet-Intermittent-Fasting/dp/1780721676/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359916186&sr=8-1

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 18:36:54

sleepdodger yes, have a look at t also look at 5:2 thread 11 linked to by giraffeabove and also the hints and links and recipe threads.. you'll find all you need to start out there,, good luck and we'll be waiting here to welcome you to this maintainers thread when you've got there smile (hopefully not too long..)

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 18:39:59

sarah well not with a crane any more anyway! its an interesting manoeuvre, and I usually get wet.. but at least I dont feel so much like a beached whale now.. grin

Breadandwine Sun 03-Feb-13 19:02:45

B&W crumpets were a stunning success! im just about to post a picture of them up on my profile

Excellent, Laska, they do look the business! You’re well ahead of me in the crumpet stakes – I haven’t the patience to wait when I can be tucking into a pikelet in half the time.

(Don’t have any crumpet rings, either. sad)

Next time you do them – or now, if you have some batter left over (I suspect not, looking at how many you made!) – add a handful of sultanas to the batter. Fruit pikelets (or fruit crumpets, if you insist) are an excellent variation on a theme. If you leave the batter overnight with the dried fruit in there, they plump up very satisfactorily – but you’ll need to add more water to get the right batter consistency again.

Here’s my take on ‘em – probably one of the easiest things you can make in the kitchen:

nobreadisanisland.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/pikelets.html

Is it OK to be spoilt if you know you’re being spoilt?

I ask because I’m currently in bed with a bit of a fever. My wife brought me up a mug of coffee about lunchtime, but I was fast asleep – so she went downstairs, made a flask of coffee and put it by my bedside! So when I awoke, about 3.30, there was the hot coffee just ready for me. I realise I’m a very lucky bunny, indeed!

I’ve just drank my second mug – whilst munching on some chilli chocolate and pieces of crystallised ginger. Mmmm!

TDEE – it’s a musical term. When you get fed up of beating time with TDUM, TDUM, etc – you can vary it with TDEE, TDEE! grin

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 19:49:25

its ok to be spoilt once in a while B&W .. hope you feel better soon..will definitely try the pikelets.. I have a Dan Lepard inspired sourdough starter - its a few years old now.. Also may try them with some buckwheat flour added.. sort of blinis..mmm

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 03-Feb-13 19:49:59

Natasha my fasts -feel- a lot more effective when I stop eating in the early evening before the official fast day and go to bed having already been fasting for 5 hours or so - it makes a really visible difference to the flatness of my tummy by the end of the fast day too, so clearly something I am eating on fast days (toast or dairy) is really bloating. If nothing else 5:2 is giving my tummy a break from these foods.

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 03-Feb-13 19:53:35

Sorry will go now... but B&W well thought your wife to use a flask- when dp is sick and I leave him a hot drink it always ends up going cold. Laska the crumpets look amazing. Hairy dieters reccommend them as healthy french toast alternative with yoghurt and hot berries.

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 19:58:02

there's no need to go ..its not meant to be that exclusive giraffe... just 'somewhere else ' to chat for us more seasoned posters smile

Breadandwine Sun 03-Feb-13 20:23:53

About DL's crumpet recipe, Laska, as my experiments w. pancakes showed me, you don't need the milk.

There's another use for a yeast-risen batter - tempura

I've only started eating battered sausages once I started this WOL - and realised I could. Now I have them about once a fortnight - they (and battered mushroom, and battered polony!) are a real treat!

They're a really cheap meal, as well - one sausage and a couple of mushrooms and you're away!

TalkinPeace2 Sun 03-Feb-13 20:40:16

Giraffe
Don't stick your neck out !!
My DH is like you - the changes in bowel balances after following 5:2 have been amazing ...

Laska42 Sun 03-Feb-13 21:08:13

I've just posted my 5:2 modified version of Carrot , cardamom and orange spiced soup on the recipe thread

This recipe was featured in the Guardian yesterday but i've changed it a tad - is very yummy..

507 cals the whole recipe and 127 a portion.

Breadandwine Sun 03-Feb-13 21:13:15

Laska you have mail! smile

fretfree Sun 03-Feb-13 22:31:57

Hi. Mind if I join? I am not a prolific poster but have been reading the threads since about number 3, with the occasional comment.

I'm doing ADF still but only have 2kg more to go before target weight (I've lost 10kg since 01 Nov). I will soon transition to 5:2. I normally eat just once a day on fast days, in the evening - but have a question. Those of you who do 30-36 hour fasts, do you not have any calories at all during that time? Not even a cup of tea?

sarajaynevz Sun 03-Feb-13 23:47:46

after winding down my 3rd normal day in a row, i'm really looking forward to a fasting day tomorrow! i'm used to adf and not fasting every other day messing
with my mind lol.

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 04-Feb-13 00:37:02

TIP grin
Laska my inordinately long neck will be useful for popping back in, he he... (my children would do a ba boom cha bad joke sound effect here here, but why not TDEE!)

Breadandwine Mon 04-Feb-13 00:41:00

Hi fretfree

When I first started fasting for 24 hours I treated myself with flasks of filter coffee. After a while I found a flask of hot water was just as good - and was a saving, of course.

When the 24 hours is up, I eat my <600 calories over the next couple of hours, then don't have anything until B'fast the next day.

There are one or two brave souls who go through for 36 hours, but it's not necessary.

HTH! B&W

NatashaMousse Mon 04-Feb-13 01:32:39

"Those of you who do 30-36 hour fasts, do you not have any calories at all during that time? Not even a cup of tea? "

I'm one of those. No calories, unless you count a squeeze of lemon in my morning cup of warm water. After that it's hot/warm water and plain green tea, sipped with occasional tastes of a few grains of salt. I did not need to lose weight when I started this, so I opted for a complete fast once a week, which results in a smaller calorie deficit than the standard 5:2 regimen and a longer period in "repair mode". The other advantage is simplicity - no need to count calories. The downside is that I freeze on fast days and sometimes experience hunger pangs of the maddening variety about 22 hours in, although that's been less of a problem recently and it passes after a few hours.

This is an experiment in process. While I've been delighted with the results (reported above), I'm finding an urge to cut back on at least one other day during the week and will usually skip a breakfast or two to get in a supplemental 16-hour calorie-less stretch. I intend to continue with this programme for a few more months, after which I may try something a bit different ... perhaps B&W's routine twice a week or going for an 8-hour eating window on most days. Lots of possibilities but, unfortunately, not enough research to know what's best healthwise.

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 08:31:33

so fasting again today..I'm inordinately hungry already .. I think it was too may crumpets yesterday // i think ill be needing the real black coffee this morning, but do find that this seems to work.. I dont think I could go as purist as you B&W or natasha . I do drink both green and mint teas as well.

oh well off to work..I can manage without food ok although i too get the 22hour chasm feeling and I think its psychological ..

Not doing 24hrs today though (i do find it really hard in the office when everyone is eating), so ill be ill be eating my soup later on ..

virginposter Mon 04-Feb-13 09:37:41

Just had W.I and another 1lb down taking me to 24.5 BMI and into the top end of 'normal'. At 10st 7lbs and 5'5" and a small size 12, that's not a bad place to be but I'd like to try for 10st.
Despite doing 4:3 (and controlling my eating days) and doing exercise at least 5 times a week I've only lost 1lb this week but this is how it always used to be on all those diets I tried in the past. It was so painfully slow even at the start when I had a lot to lose. But with this woe it has, until now, been almost effortless.
So I'm going to stick with it as 1lb for a lot of effort now is worth it. I'm taking note of all your comments re maintaining (thanks) and hope to join in with my own and hopefully add to the wealth of knowledge on here.

Hi all, can I join you? thanks tip2 for starting this thread, and thanks to laska for Pm'ing me to let me know about this thread, very thoughtful thanks

my currently super busy and stressful life and the brilliantly fastmoving thread means i'm just not able to keep up with all the posts on the main threads.

I've been doing this since the programme aired in August, have been on the threads since almost the beginning, have lost 12 pounds, and am within normal BMI now, although would love to lose another 10-14 pounds, but really not in any hurry and if I just maintained at this weight and size (I'm 5' 6" 10 stone 10 pounds, size 12 - with the odd size 10 skirt appearing)then I would be content.

What I've realised is that I still emotionally eat with stress and sticking to fasting is much harder when really pushed to my limits, but after my 3 day weekend of Fri-Sun normal eating i am alwasy looking forward to fasting on Monday, even though when it gets to 4pm on a fast day (approx 21 hours in) I am really struggling, I feel really hungry and grumpy, busy days are good, but work has been quiet since Jan which doesn't help.

My mum has been up for the weekend in the final push to get my house sorted for sale (should go online today) and we have eaten too much carbs and fat, so yet again toying with 3 fasts this week (still never managed that) in order to ensure I haven't gained, but maybe I should just try and cut down on the chocolate biscuits - just discovered mcvities double choc blush

My mum has done slimming world for about a year now and lost lots fo weight, she looks great and has loads more energy, i've tried to persuade her to fast to maintain rather than continuing to calorie restrict daily, but she says she needs to snack little and often, and to be honest she really does get super grumpy if she doesn't eat every couple of hours, so I guess it's ok, although want her to have teh health benefits,

looking forward to getting to where some of you are and being able to do 6:1 and maybe work harder at a full 24 no food fast.

laska your crumpets look great and so do you with your gorgeous grandson, ooohhh makes me want a baby to cuddle! as to wattles....well since losing weight i've developed one too, but really can't bring myself to do neck exercises, just feel so silly! but i am planning on buying a dance game for the wii !

virginposter Mon 04-Feb-13 11:40:00

I'm wondering why Greeneggs isn't on here. Can anyone remember if she is near to her target (I've gone back quite a way on the original threads but can't find out)?

sarajaynevz Mon 04-Feb-13 14:23:02

after 3 normal days in a row i'm only up 1.5lbs [ I do not count calories at all on normal days, so that small of a bounce is pretty cool! today's a fasting day and I have dental work today, so most of the day my mouth will be numb-works out nicely for a fasting day grin

NatashaMousse Mon 04-Feb-13 14:33:32

VP, I think GreenEggs said she was going on holiday this month.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 04-Feb-13 17:24:02

Hiya. I'll be off on holiday next week, good memory! smile I've not been posting here because I'm not even close to maintaining- I had a plateau for a while (probably not helping that I've not been very active throughout January). I've only in the last two weeks started to lose again. I hate to think when I'll be in this thread at the rate I'm going. grin

virginposter Mon 04-Feb-13 17:47:40

Greeneggs Well, it was nice of you to pop in. Hope we will see you on here regularly very soon wink

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 17:59:14

Poo!! I rushed out thinking I was late after posting this morning and managed to prang the car coming out of my own driveway.. My fault unfortunately as the other car was passing , (though what she was doing hard up on the shoulder(no pavements here) I dont know),.. but whatever.. I'm responsible .... sigh... that'll cost then... but luckily no one hurt and my car only slightly bruised with some red paint on it and cracked numberplate, but what's the betting the other one will need tons of work doing to it? .. Sigh gain ... id better look out the insurance docs .. angry (with myself)

so ive had soup and stir fry veggies.. if like a large G&T but nope .. it'll be mint tea..and ill probably sulk off early to bed ..

now.. where are those car docs ?

fretfree Mon 04-Feb-13 18:09:43

Thanks natachamousse and breadandwine for the ideas. I have had nothing apart from water and black decaf coffee since 7 last night. I'll try and hold on without anything until tomorrow.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 04-Feb-13 18:11:48

Greeneggs - you are most definitely welcome to pull up a chair by the woodburner on this thread.

Have been fasting today, but at incredibly stressful work project so have been mainlining tea and am now going to have a light supper but not 500 calories. By brain running at 120 miles an hour is surely burning off a few extra bits ....

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 18:26:23

fretfree any particular reason you are going for a 36 total?

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 18:56:24

ooh she doesnt want to do anything.. seems that it was only a small scratch on the side of hers and paint on my bumper - so a glancing swish by - and hers is so old it might get written off ...lucky ..

But could have been so much worse .. ill be out cutting back the front hedge at the weekend now...

Bordercollielover Mon 04-Feb-13 19:03:52

Is there a clever way to let PiebaldRider know about this thread? She has been in from way back but recently said she would only look in occasionally so she will have missed the announcement of the thread.

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 19:27:24

yes.... PM her the link Bordersmile

Bordercollielover Mon 04-Feb-13 19:41:36

I know better than to ask for that to be explained on this thread Laska, but haven't a clue what you mean!!!! can you do it, whatever it is?

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 19:59:26

easy Border ( course you can ask!!your not scared of us eh? )..
copy this thread link location. then look up the top of the page and click on 'inbox' then 'compose new message' then email away!!

.. and Bobs yer uncle..!!

You just need to make sure you get her name right so if its Piebaldrider all one word , you'll need to put it in like that.
or if you find a post of hers all you need to do is click on 'message poster' on the blue line with her name on above her post

Easy peasy ..Go on, go on ,go on, go on !!grin

Breadandwine Mon 04-Feb-13 20:07:52

I've just done it! I went back looking through the last two threads - she hasn't posted on thread 11, had one message on thread 10 and two on thread 9.

(Didn't think of doing it through the 'inbox' - doh!)

I do hope she's alright!

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 20:15:46

B&W hello .. the crumpets tasted yummy!! less salt than a commercial variety I thought but thats fine..

Hope you are feeling better..

Hmm.. i've just eaten some dark choc..only 3 sqs so still in my 500 cals but why did I do that? (annoyed)

Breadandwine Mon 04-Feb-13 20:16:30

Sorry - she only posted once on each of threads number 9 and 10. In one of her last messages, she said:
Hi just popping to say I’m still around and still on target – sort of. This forum moves so fast now with so many new people, I am happy to step aside and make room for those who are just starting out and need to ask the same questions as all those who went before them.

And in thread no 10, she posted:
Hello to everyone new and old and an extra big hug to those of us that have been hanging around for a while now.

It's been 13 days, now. I'm getting rather worried. sad

Laska42 Mon 04-Feb-13 20:19:06

border sorry.. should have said... PM is private message ..so its sending an email through mumsnet email which will also land in the email inbox that you used to register with , and is done as above smile. so if you wanted to email me you'd do it that way..

Breadandwine Mon 04-Feb-13 20:52:33

No better thanks, Laska - had a temp of 38.6 earlier and I'm in bed ATM.

But I'm feeling no pain - apart from achy muscles when I stand up.

I was supposed to be fasting today, but decided that would be a tad ridiculous.

As it happens I had a normal breakfast - didn't fancy lunch - and only ate half of my dinner, if that!

Yesterday my wife made us a stuffed apple each, but I couldn't eat mine.

Today I thought I'd have half of it for pud. However, I really fancied some sort of crumble with it. I couldn't justify making a crumble just for me, so I cheated by crumbling 3 Oatie biscuits (last three in the packet) over the apple - then I poured over the custard, and brought it upstairs with me. The crumble worked amazingly well - for the first few bites!

Then the Oaties soaked up all the custard and now I've got a solid mass of biscuit and apple that I've been picking on! sad However, all I have to do next time is double the amount of custard - or reduce the number of Oaties!

Glad you enjoyed the crumpets - and that's the beauty of home made stuff - you're in charge of the salt!

fretfree Mon 04-Feb-13 20:57:57

Hi laska, I am starting to think about my maintenance routine so trying a few things to see how they feel (plus I am near to my target so a little turbo boost won't hurt smile). I am thinking of eventually moving to a modified 6:1, with one day total fast to get the health benefits and then maybe a half day fast to keep in check mid way. Saying that, I don't really go for breakfast that much, so I might have to have a think how to factor it all in.

What a nice end to a yucky event re the car prang! Good luck with trimming the hedge smile

Bordercollielover Mon 04-Feb-13 22:09:38

Thanks Laska for the instructions and B and W for actually doing it! I will have a go next time.
Only longstanding person missing I can now think of is Manonboard, unless he is with us in disguise.....

Iwearblack Mon 04-Feb-13 23:36:46

Feel a bit of a fraud as not at maintenance yet but feel happy with the WOE and could see myself moving to one 24 hr fast once a week when I am (note the confidence of 'when' not 'if'). Love the way people at work are used to me fasting - have left Dr Ms book lying round for others to be inspired!

Breadandwine Tue 05-Feb-13 00:17:31

Only longstanding person missing I can now think of is Manonboard, unless he is with us in disguise.....

He may well be lurking, i guess. I contacted MOB back in November, after I hadn't seen him for a while and he replied:

Actually I have decided to no longer post as it seems what I write comes across as blunt and aggressive when I re-read them, which is not the intention. It all sounds fine as I am typing and it is a pity there isn't a 24 hour delay button so that you could retract stuff that might be misinterpreted, or as in my case correctly interpreted but badly composed. As I refuse to participate in the ose [sic?] of the detestable "LOL" it is not always apparent that the bulk of what I put is tongue in cheek.

I went back and said, well, OK, and I asked him to PM me when he reached his goal weight.

He was a very funny guy and I'm sorry he's not still around.

virginposter Tue 05-Feb-13 00:39:37

B&W hope you feel better soon smile It's good to know what happened to MOB but also sad as I agree he was a very funny man and made me laugh a lot. I don't remember his comments coming across as blunt and agressive, do you? I wonder if he could be persuaded to return on this new thread?

NatashaMousse Tue 05-Feb-13 01:50:40

I second VP's comment above. MOB has a great sense of humour and I don't think he came across as aggressive at all. Would be nice to see him back here.

B&W, sorry you're still ailing. Maybe your reduced appetite is signaling that your body needs to conserve energy for recovery rather than digesting food. Have you tried sipping on just plain warm salt water, perhaps with the juice of half a lemon or lime and sweetener of your choice? That often helps me if I'm feeling a bit "off". Hope you feel better soon.

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 08:44:31

also girlwiththemouseyhair though i think shes americastourturedbrow now, and thinkIcan ..there must be more..
cyclistist and catsrus popped in earlier also .

are you all lurking you out there? Come say hello smile
at work so shouldnt be here.. oops . back later

DontGoThereDaisy Tue 05-Feb-13 12:11:43

Hi

As I lurked all over the first 6 boards of the last group before posting I thought I'd try to get one in earlier over here - I hope nobody minds - I'm not often a poster just a reader.

I have just done an 8 week maintanance, but I'm back trying to loose another 1/2 stone - so that I hover between 12:10 - 13 stone rather than 13.3-13.7 (as now).

I've started adding some (more) exercise rather than change the (working) fasting WOL. This is the first 'diet' I've ever done - previously a month (Jan or Oct) not drinking was enough to keep me in some kind of check but the last 3 years that hadn't worked for weight loss.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 05-Feb-13 12:51:25

Since someone asked, I've lost 8 kilos, which is about 17.6 lbs, since starting in August. It's only recently started going down again, which has coincided with my being more active again. smile I find it very difficult to be out and about too much when it's so dark and cold. I think the weather is the thing I miss the most about where I'm originally from.

But, the days are longer now, and it's made a big improvement in my mood. I've also got that holiday coming next week. whee. smile

catsrus Tue 05-Feb-13 13:07:05

I'm here - but also working (lunch break though! Just had a skinny soup) just needing to gently lose another 4-5lbs to give me the wobble room between 9st and 9st4lb where all my smart work clothes still fit grin. I'm not bothered how quickly that happens now though as I'm experimenting with things like 16 hr fasts / 8hr eating window on 6 days a week and only calorie restriction on one of them.

This whole realisation about TDEE has been crucial for me really - the lighter I am the less I can eat before putting on weight - duh! So obvious but I was stuck with the 2000 cals figure in my head for an 'average' woman not the reality of the 1450 or so that I will actually need (desk job!)

TalkinPeace2 Tue 05-Feb-13 13:28:10

So, ManonBoard worries about sounding rude in his posts. I'm buggered then as people who know me call me psychotic to my face! Helps in my line of work though ...

A lovely friend at the gym asked me if I was OK today. She is 'model looks' gorgeous and noticed I'd lost weight - among her friends that usually means marriage breakup. Turns out her brother is doing 5:2 as well ... All happy.

Catsrus
The variability of TDEE is interesting - I've known for a while that in my work weeks I have to either eat less or I put on weight - but the fact that my TDEE drops by 450 a day if I'm not at the gym really brought it into focus. Early morning swims may beckon.

frenchfancy Tue 05-Feb-13 15:44:27

Just popping over to say hi. I'm not yet at target, another 3kg to lose (actually 3.9 kg as another pesky 0.9kg appeared this morning despite fasting and running yesterday). I will lurk on here though if you don't mind, the other thread is a bit repetitive at times.

virginposter Tue 05-Feb-13 16:27:23

Well, I've had a lovely nsv. Last night someone told me I was looking lovely but that my jeans were a bit baggy, so this morning I tried on a pair of trousers I had put aside for when I could fit into them and they fit beautifully. My first size 10's (ok they are pull on casual ones but the label still says size 10) grin

Iwearblack Tue 05-Feb-13 19:08:53

Well done vp! I take a casual size 10 any day!
I liked *MOB too!

Iwearblack Tue 05-Feb-13 19:09:45

Sorry that should have been 'I would take...' As ain't there (yet)!

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 19:11:18

Right. I'm asking for it..

After reading cats -who i've always secretly seen as my benchmark - post above I remember her despairing at getting below 10 and and shes now talking at maintaining 3/4 stone less!! Well done cats .

I realise that I need a serious maintenance strategy here.. and perhaps another boost to lose the last 7..

Lets face it , I'm a total exercise procrastinator.. but I do know what I'm like.. I work full time,(desk research job) I'm studying ,and my weekends are pretty tied up with DH and family and ill use any excuse not to exercise ..

I'm not going to go to the gym, i..I dont go out to exercise classes.. live in a Rural area and fairly broke ) I've tried blogolates and other things on you tube.. Didn't last , I've tons of unplayed exercise dvds...,I dont have a wii and when I went into the game shop to look at one ..I walked out again quick -its just not me.;

SO what I need is a buddy or three .. I need a regular kick up the ar$e to make me do 20 mins zumba-type exercise here at home a day and/or 40 mins out walking running..

I have a rebounder, a step ,a bike, some hand weights , plenty of zumba tracks and can get out to run.. I also have one of those ghastly sit up frames and dyna bands..

Will anyone be my whipping person?
I thought that perhaps we could start an exercise honesty group on here? .. ill tell you what i'm doing and you can pour scorn on me if I dont do it.(and vice versa)

I do cycle and hill/long distance walk at weekends though . What I need is someone to MAKE me do 20 mins cardio or strength training at least 3 times a week and walk/ run the other days and hold me accountable...

How about it?

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 19:16:03

We are all agreed .a great loss....he did make me laugh with the 'top of the morning' quip! ...*MOB please come back*..

B&W can you PM him again?
(hope you are feeling better or have had the doc in by now. you shouldn't be this ill for so long)

catsrus Tue 05-Feb-13 19:27:15

oooh laska that sounds about as attractive as a diet grin. I'm not an exercise person either - I was actually hoping to get away with the DR MM approach - walk a lot, stand not sit, run up stairs to the loo rather than plod along to the loo on the same level... you know, all that stuff that doesn't get you sweaty? blush. Many years ago I used to go to the gym and quite liked the rowing machine... but it's cold and dark out there and my armchair beckons.....

But seriously, I only caught the end of the Dr MM prog on exercise (repeated last week) but what I did see gave me hope that I could get fitter by a more general change in habit than introducing exercise as such. So I bought a pedometer - and am really struck by the huge variation in movement I have during the week - depending on where I'm working.

I have set my phone alarm to go off every 30 mins at which point I will get up and walk around a bit - I have yet to decide how much of the evening I should give myself off!

PS - don't think I've been anyone's benchmark before shock but was very pleased that my dd told her dad that I'd lost 2 stone (teeny exaggeration it's 27lb!) as just 2 yrs ago he left for the younger thinner OW - she's still younger but no longer thinner and he seems to have gained the 2 st I've lost so there's a nice bit of Karma grin

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Tue 05-Feb-13 19:59:48

I know what you mean Laska, I'm out in the sticks too. That's why I started the C25K, because it was cheap and available and didn't involve driving miles to get to a gym. Which wouldn't fit very well with the rest of my life anyway.
Though there are days when it is definitely really, really difficult to get myself out there and run. OK, jog. Personally I am a bit worried I might wuss out tomorrow because it's freezing and there's a howling north wind, and sleet forecast. I hate the cold sad

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 20:03:49

Nice Cats..im sure you are better off without him now.. .and .although i suppose Vicky Pryce is going to get it for perverting the course of justice .. I did have a little cheer when they reported on the beeb that she'd dobbed Chris Huhne in as revenge after he had left her..

I'm happily married BTW but is DH 2 (well the first one was H1 but there was no D in it !!)

Sorry blokes I do of course know not all of you are like that! ..

I like the phone alarm idea though.. I could do that on my work Outlook.. we are just about to move into a building with 5 floors ,so perhaps i could walk down to the lobby then fast back up to the top a every 45 mins or so..
...Well i dont go out for regular smoke breaks like some ..

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 20:10:54

Sarah I remember you starting c25k, same week as me (only I stopped at wk 2! blush)

How are you doing?

catsrus Tue 05-Feb-13 20:17:04

now I have building envy laska! I'm only on the second floor - I do go down to talk to people on the first floor rather than ring them though and then run back up the stairs smile. I am not a natural athlete and physical exercise is not my idea of fun. I've done sports at school but not been sporty. I would love to walk more - quite fancy the ramblers, but some walkers are hard core - the last time I tried doing a decent walk with a couple of walker friends I was very blushenvy as I held them back considerably in terms of pace.

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 20:24:48

but I've now outed myself cats I think there is only one building that tall on the IOW.. (well which isn't behind a prison wall ) ...

catsrus Tue 05-Feb-13 20:42:34

well only on the IOW, and probably only within that building would anyone know about the newly-slim woman doing 5:2 smile I think you're safe - it's not like it's a news worthy building like the shard!

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 20:59:23

... but the County Press is a bit like the Evening Argus
(you can tell I used to live over there!)

TalkinPeace2 Tue 05-Feb-13 22:18:58

When you transfer the Shard to the IOW you get the Koan .....

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Tue 05-Feb-13 22:20:24

Laska, I finished W9 last Friday (what with a bad cold, the snow which made it treacherous underfoot, and something else, I forget now, it took me several weeks extra to finish). I'm still very slow though, so I think I might try and consolidate and see if I can speed up a bit, rather than run further. but I have to admit, this weather is really putting me off! It was definitely a struggle at times, but I think a large part of the struggle is in my head rather than anywhere else! Definitely found W5 a mental challenge blush

Laska42 Tue 05-Feb-13 22:27:42

I quite like it TIP2 ....well I dont see it as being at all contentious! But then I'm an Overner....

I must go . I'm posting so much on here its beginning to look like my thread....

Impressed, Sarah.. see, I do need a good kick...

Breadandwine Tue 05-Feb-13 22:43:31

OK, I'll PM MOB and tell him of the collective vow you've all taken not to take umbrage if he sounds out of order! grin

Thanks for your concerns - I am a lot better, I was up for three hours this morning and again this evening. I just feel achy and not quite up to the mark, if you know what I mean. I'm eating well, which probably means I've put on a couple of pounds - but we all know how to deal with that, now, don't we? ;)

I'll have tomorrow off and then resume normal service on Thursday, all being well!

Mike Mosley's prog about exercise is here still, on iPlayer:
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cywtq/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_About_Exercise/

As I remember it, he made a comment on Twitter about getting 3 x 20 seconds of intense activity by just 'stepping' on the first step of the stairs. Haven't tried it yet, but I intend to. Again, IIRC, if you can fit that in, and get up and move around frequently, that's all you need to do.

On either thread number 9 or number 10 there was a link - possibly by TiP to a video which showed you how you could walk a mile indoors. Was it called simply 'Step'? I'll have to go back and have a look.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 05-Feb-13 22:50:19

I've message the Miserable*O*ld*B*astard too :-) He'll relent grin

Step video was not me - interesting to see his HIIT bits on te telly the other night - they are bringing that in at the gym so I will watch to see how it goes.

virginposter Tue 05-Feb-13 23:43:45

I must admit that if I could get away with not exercising I would (my nickname should be Sloth) but I've done a lot over the years, aerobics, weights, running, walking and had to make myself do it.
Now I go line dancing 2 times a week for 2 hours each and it's very energetic but I love it as the music is great and the people are lovely and we have such a laugh. DH does it too and we also dance for charity and go to a social once a month. On my fast days I drag myself out into the garage (gym) and walk on the treadmill whilst watching the box set of The West Wing. I make myself watch 2 episodes at a time which adds up to 1 hour 20 mins, and the time just flies by.
If I didn't have something to watch I wouldn't go out there - it's cold in the winter and too hot in the summer but I really do need to keep moving as I'm at that age where ones joints start to rust up if not used wink

NatashaMousse Tue 05-Feb-13 23:55:07

B&W, do please report back about your stair stepping experience. I've been wanting to try some HIIT. I don't have any exercise equipment but stairs are readily available. I suppose even some vigorous running in place or jumping jacks would do the job. Just have to get up and do it. Maybe this discussion will give me the prod I need.

Bordercollielover Wed 06-Feb-13 06:50:20

I watched the HIT horizon a year ago when it first came out. We put an ordinary bike onto a static trainer, which is what cyclists use to train indoors, in our sitting room! Not the most attractive piece of decor but its convenient and faces the TV. It's MUCH better to ride than an exercise bike.
I have APPs which you can programme to do whatever intervals you like.
Dr MM recently advocated 20 second bursts of hard work whenever you can (eg x2 while the kettle boils) plus 20 minutes brisk walking per day plus get up and move every 20 minutes all day. 20 plus 20 plus 20.
Does anyone know of a wrist mounted timer that just vibrates? That would be great for the every 20 minutes bit.

Laska42 Wed 06-Feb-13 09:41:03

Now all we need is to encourage cyclistist to post again . ! Wotcha bro I know you are lurking out there somewhere ...

NatashaMousse Wed 06-Feb-13 09:44:32

On the question of maintenance and the benefits thereof, I just came across an interesting study from ten years ago here (Mattson is one of the authors):

www.pnas.org/content/100/10/6216.full.pdf+html

The summary says (emphasis added . . . but, alas, it doesn't seem to appear properly):

"Dietary restriction has been shown to have several health benefits
including increased insulin sensitivity, stress resistance, reduced
morbidity, and increased life span. The mechanism remains unknown,
but the need for a long-term reduction in caloric intake to
achieve these benefits has been assumed. We report that when
C57BL6 *mice are maintained on an intermittent fasting (alternateday
fasting) dietary-restriction regimen their overall food intake is
not decreased and their body weight is maintained*. Nevertheless,
*intermittent fasting resulted in beneficial effects that met or
exceeded those of caloric restriction* including reduced serum
glucose and insulin levels and increased resistance of neurons in
the brain to excitotoxic stress. *Intermittent fasting therefore has
beneficial effects* on glucose regulation and neuronal resistance to
injury in these mice that are independent of caloric intake."

The report includes this intriguing bit:

". . . rats with a moderate reduction in
IGF-1 levels live longer, whereas those with a greater decrease
in IGF-1 levels have a reduced life span (20). The latter results
suggest that there is an optimal level of the GH–IGF-1 axis to
maximize survival in mammals."

Breadandwine Wed 06-Feb-13 11:08:49

Interesting, Natasha thanks for that.

So you can have too little IGF-1 as well as too much. Well, that's not so surprising - we need a balance in most things.

Wonder why it wasn't mentioned in Horizon?

My guess is that a 5:2 WOE regime wouldn't drive your IGF-1 too low. You'd probably have to go into a more severe fasting regime for that to happen. Or am I being just a cock-eyed optimist? Has been known!

Certainly a maintenance regime should be safe, I would have thought.

Would you like to stick that post on the T&L thread, Natasha?

literarygeek Wed 06-Feb-13 12:12:55

Hi everyone, I have been under the weather, too lately, so not much exercise here.

Haven't weighed myself in AGES but have noticed my size 10 jeans are getting looser, and that's despite spending last weekend away in Italia taking full advantage of all the yummy food.

natasha there's lots of HIIT videos on blogilates either via the website or the YouTube channel. They get me very sweaty and out of puff but in a good way.

NatashaMousse Wed 06-Feb-13 12:56:28

"Would you like to stick that post on the T&L thread, Natasha? "

Done.

"So you can have too little IGF-1 as well as too much. Well, that's not so surprising - we need a balance in most things."

Yes, it does make sense, B&W. Some of the "repair" work that fasting promotes (not to mention normal "maintenance" - all the body's cells get replaced over a 7-year period) and surely the appearance of new neurons require growth of new cells.

Thanks for the blogilates reminder, literarygeek. It's on my to-do list. I just need the time and mental space to shake up my normal exercise routine.

sarajaynevz Wed 06-Feb-13 15:08:26

i'm another sloth who loathes exercise. but as soon as the snow starts melting I want to start walking 6 days a week. I need to buy a pedometer soon!

sarajaynevz Wed 06-Feb-13 17:53:06

just found an app for my phone to track my walking yay! so now I just need nicer weather and i'll start grin

ThinkICan Thu 07-Feb-13 02:28:25

Thanks Laska for missing me here! Thought I would be imposing on you all as I still have a lot to lose. But will pop in and interpret this thread as maintaining this WOL, thinking of it in terms of weeks, months, years - as TiP2 put it so beautifully! All you friendly souls are still the only ones who know I'm on this health kick - for there are lots of scoffers in real life. And this is too precious for me to expose to those know-it-alls!

virginposter Thu 07-Feb-13 10:27:48

Someone I dance with asked how I've lost all my weight and so I gave her all the info and she has lost 8lbs so far. Yesterday she gave me a page from 'Womans own' mag saying that Dr MM's diet was featured. Well, I wasn't expecting much from that mag but what I read was typical.
It's called the Fast Plan and advocates ADFing, eating 700 cals on your 'on' days and 2100 on your 'off' days. The 'on' days food suggestions are 3 small meals consisting of the usual low fat foods and bread, toast, pasta, pitta bread, chicken, fruit and veg.
The 'off days' consist of 3 meals of your choice a day plus snacks.
Towards the end it says if you can't manage ADF then try 2 days 'on' and 5 days 'off' - no mention of changing the amounts of calories if changing to 5:2.
At the end there is a link to the W.O. Diets food diary which you can download for a free seven day trial! The benefits they list are low blood sugar and cholesterol but do warn diabetics and those with eating disorders not to do it.
So the vultures are out, joining the bandwagon and changing the basis of this woe and so the confusion starts.

Good morning all, haven't had much of a chance to catch up with the Threads recently as have had to take on some extra work to 'keep the wolf' (aka bailifs) from the door....working part time is great and this WOL is cheap wink but those increased heating bills have got to be paid for some how grin.

Well, have lost ALL the weight gained over yuletide and have that 'slim' feeling back. So the battle has moved on to maintaining the weight and the health benefits....in short, trying to get a balence that will keep this WOL beneficial in the long term. For me, the greatest strength of this WOL is the fact it's adaptable and very hard to fall off. With diets, be they low cal, low carb, low fat etc you'll probably get good initial weightloss but they are not a Way of Living in the modern world. It is very very hard to stick to them for a couple of years let alone for decades - not to mention the possible negative effects of restricting one aspect of your nutrition long term. With this it is a true WOL and adapts to your life. I started ADF, went 4:3, tried 5:2 (strangely for a man who loves his food I found 5:2 hardest) and am now 6:1 with a low protein day thrown in 1 day a week.

5:2 was difficult and not enjoyable as I tended to eat much too much on unrestricted days (didn't stop me losing weight albeit slowly) but I didn't enjoy the feeling of being so stuffed 5 days a week. With 6:1 I feel (so far), great after the Fast day but don't feel the urge to stuff my face with unhealthy food on unrestricted days. My one concern about going to 6:1 is whether it will still give me the health benefits I achieved with 4:3, already I'm waking up a bit more drowsily , something that had completely changed on 4:3 despite getting less sleep.

But as I say IF, be it 4:3 or 6:1 is a good way of controling weight and can be adapted to suit the individuals needs whatever their lifestyle and taken on long term. There is no 'falling off' as there is always another day to do the Fast, and all it takes is one successful Fast to get back in the swing of things.

Another great thing I've learnt from this WOL, is ways to get through those 'difficult times' during the day. Coping strategies I've learnt from people on here have been:
The half hour test (How much do I want that slice of toast, leave it half hour if I still want it then I'll have it)
Dragonfly vanilla tea (sweet but low in cals)
Soup, soup, and yet more soup (before this WOL I hardly touched the stuff)
Loads of veg
Chillie sauce ( wink Laska )
Sugar free gum (although I try and limit this because of what I've learnt from TiP2 about artificial sweetners
Not eating untill late
Changing the food I have in the house

One of the biggest revelations has been the discovery that there's 2 types of hunger. HEAD hunger and STOMACH hunger. Try it, next time you think you're hungry ask yourself whether it's your head or your stomach that feels the hunger. If it's your head, try the 30 minute test.

Hope you don't mind my ramblings above, just wanted to share how I feel about this WOL after 7 amazing months. And lastly a huge thanks to Greeneggs for starting the original thread, I definiately would not have had so much success on this WOL if it wasn't for what I've learnt from others on these Threads and the support we've all shown eachother.

Have a great day all

ThinkICan Thu 07-Feb-13 12:54:58

A quick question for the experts here! A friend swears that with just an hour's brisk walking and cutting out 3 sugar teas and replacing with green tea, he's come down two notches on his belt. Of course guys lose weight annoyingly fast, but what do you all think about the weight-loss effects of green tea?

ThinkICan Thu 07-Feb-13 12:57:47

Yes Greeneggs, a big thanks to you thanks

Laska42 Thu 07-Feb-13 13:56:11

Hi just popping in.. fasting today , but really hungry.. funny how some days are harder than others , so really looking forward to my whole bag of stir fry veggies with h/m peanut and chilli sauce later on!

Think I can . ive been drinking green tea for years . but I dont think its been particualrly slimming in itseslf although I know some people claim it..

( I reckon its the loss of 3 cups of tea with sugar that did it .. esp if he had milk also !!). ill go work the calories out ..

back later

TalkinPeace2 Thu 07-Feb-13 13:56:52

Green tea is a red herring.
Not having a kilo of sugar a week and adding an hour a day to his exercise has rather more to do with it ...

Hi all, eating day today, but managed 2 good fasts this week, not going for 3rd (again) as heading away for the weekend tonight with the children, and already have my 4 tins of gin and tonic bought for the train journey......blush but really I deserve it, house is immaculate...hence we'e going away to leave it clean and tidy for viewings.

breadandwine sorry to hear you are still feeling unwell, I hope you are feeling much better soon.

I would also like to see manonboard back, i enjoyed his outspoken ways, and particularly his humour.

so laska what have you decided on with regard to exercise? the dancing idea is a good one, can you find someone to go to a dance class with? I know someone who took up tango and loved it. and I did my own version of couch25k....it was a bit slow in teh beginning and then when it got difficult I carried on doing 1 min walking (I am asthmatic) and that worked for me, but in all honesty so much better when the weather improves.

pedometer also a great tip, you can get quite competitive about beating your own steps totals each week.

thanks for the link to Shred i still haven't seen it so hope to watch and be inspired, but I need to start doing some exercise too, my wobbly tum seriously needs toning up, no amount of weight loss is going to do that!

ThinkICan Thu 07-Feb-13 16:35:39

Thanks laska and "TiP2* on the green tea advice. Guess a lifetime of being overweight has you looking for miracles all the time! Mumofcrazy - I should start walking/climbing stairs/doing push-ups which were the only forms of exercise I had. Or the tummy is gonna get me too! And all you knowledgeable people here - please post any good info you get on Dr M's site too. Thanks.

SpiralSkies Thu 07-Feb-13 17:33:47

Oddly enough, green tea is something I turn to when I need a kickstart in the weight loss department - I do find that 2 or 3 massive mugs affects what I see on the scales the following day. Under no illusions that it burns fat or anything as exciting as that but suspect it's simply much better for ridding the body of excess fluid than ordinary tea. Very handy during times of hormone hell!

Laska42 Thu 07-Feb-13 19:06:12

HI again.. just musing after reading*MOCNK*post above I have lots of unused DVDs so dont want to add another one to the pile.. but i’ve also heard good things about 30 Day shred..and its 20 mins a day .. I could commit to this I think , especially if I post about it.. has anyone here done it?
On the old WW thread i used to be on people raved about it .. i just looked at level one up on You Tube and it looks challenging but reassuringly d more like the things i used to do way back when.. (so probably more reassuring for this Granny, than some of the other super high octane ones i've seen recently and haven't done.. ) Any opinions?

Ive just had a HUGE and fab dinner for 350cals...
A pack of co op basics stir fry veg, (beansprouts , cabbage , shredded carrot ,) and added some mushrooms spring onion, sugar snaps babycorn and red pepper .
Stir fried it all in chicken stock and then made a quick sauce out of another couple of spoonfuls of stock, some shredded ginger , garlic , soy sauce, a spoon of peanut butter and some chilli ...
Am totally stuffed...

Good to see you here again Cyclistist ..Strangely I also find 5:2 harder .. I actually prefer 4:3 also , but haven’t managed it consistently since Christmas( though am back to my pre Christmas weight now)

TIP2 posted the advice on the other thread - she may have done before although if so, i’ve missed it.. but is really great advice I think .. and perhaps also for maintaining

Think of your food on a weekly basis.
You are not 'depriving' yourself. You are saving your health and balancing.
2 days a week of fasting
2 days a week of trying to stay under your TDEE
2 days a week of trying to stay within 10% of your TDEE
1 day splurge

but I can see that my desire to have both Friday and Saturday evening wine could be a prob for me though grin

SpiralSkies Thu 07-Feb-13 19:25:55

Laska, I do the 30 day shred, it's really good. For something that only takes 20 mins, it really delivers results. It might make you wish you could reach into the telly and punch Mean Gillian in the eye though. She is tough!

literarygeek Thu 07-Feb-13 19:34:06

laska I did the shred a while back - I think when I had post DD1 weight to lose. I agree it's a good, intense workout for 20 minutes. You definitely do want to punch her.

I'd say it's definitely a good kick-start to exercise, especially whileit's still freezing and mostly wet and dark outside.

However, I got bored with it after a while, which is why I like the site I told you about before but won't mention again as I know you didn't get on with it and also in case people think I have shares in her as she brings out new vids twice a week.

literarygeek Thu 07-Feb-13 19:35:54

Also, laska, you mentioning the peanut butter almost had me heading straight to the jar of Meridian stuff I have in my cupboard, which is no good for a fast day!

Laska42 Thu 07-Feb-13 19:39:29

sprial im 55 ..slim now but a sloth.. havent exercised in some time..prone to a slightly dodgy back so like the fact that apart from star jumps it didnt look too high impact .. well at level one anyhow..id is it do you think? .. I really need to tone up the wrinkly skin now...but it'll be no good sitting onthe shelf.. no 99p copies on ebay ! it seems very popular

.. so do you think its worth a bash for someone unfit and oldish and easily lead astray ? how long have you been doing it and are you 25 and super fit?

Laska42 Thu 07-Feb-13 19:41:50

literary she was just too cheery young and bright for me.. I am a curmudgeonly old trout

will you sell/ lend me your copy? PM me if you will..

Laska42 Thu 07-Feb-13 19:43:09

I teaspoon is ok .. if the rest is all veggies not cooked in oil .. thats what I had .. but I want wine now and im fasting also ..

SpiralSkies Thu 07-Feb-13 19:48:22

Ha, Laska I wish I was 25 and super-anything! I'm 43 and have iffy knees and a lurking back problem. The star jump-y bit isn't too bad - sometimes I have to miss out a little bit of that but the other bits I find really good. Kind of got out of the habit over the summer but I did it religiously (after my dog died and I wasn't marching about like a loon every day) for about 6 weeks and I have to say, my arms looked the best they ever have! I've just started doing it again over the past few weeks - I can't believe how unfit I've become again.

I very much recommend it - you won't get better results for 20 mins a day!

Laska42 Thu 07-Feb-13 19:58:59

ok ive been persuaded ,dont worry literary have just bought a copy !!
right when it comes i'm going to commit to this ..

perhaps we can get a little 30 day shred 'club' going even if its just me and you spiral

SpiralSkies Thu 07-Feb-13 20:08:05

Ooh, yes Laska , we should certainly cheer each other on. 'Chatting' about this actually inspired me to do my 100 sit-ups this evening. Can't shred tonight though as Evil Teen will laugh at me and then I'll have to kill him and the day will all go horribly, horribly wrong... shock Mind you, if I'm going to throttle him, I'll probably have to wait until a non-fasting day so I can do it properly.

literarygeek Thu 07-Feb-13 20:09:21

laska was just about to say - yes, you can, but it'll have to be next week as I'm not at home right now. But good luck, you'll hate her and she's way more annoying than my favourite instructor but she'll whip your ass (as I believe the expression goes)

literarygeek Thu 07-Feb-13 20:11:32

spiral that's hilarious. My DD is at the age where she just joins in with whatever exercise I am doing, climbs on top of me (that makes it a little harder), chips in with "this is a bit tricky" and comments on how sweaty I am compared with the instructor (she is 3).

SpiralSkies Thu 07-Feb-13 20:17:20

Aw, literarygeek, children are so funny when they're littlies. What a cutie, pointing out your sweatiness!!! I do not exercise or even move about in front of my darling offspring, the ensuing mockery is just not worth it.

Laska42 Thu 07-Feb-13 20:19:57

grin spiral I know how that feels . though actually i'm quite sad still mine has now left home (he's 22!!)

Thanks any way literary but as now ive committed my ££s and said publicly ill give it a go ..I may actually do it .

Right.. id better go clean the kitchen and bathroom before the weekend starts.. (Also it will take my mind off wine.)

BTW I meant to say earlier this week when someone over on the other thread was asking if it was normal to feel so cold.. well i have been since ive been doing this ( no bad thing for us menos) but this week i've regressed into being a school kid and have rediscovered long socks! .. they are great .. a definate recommend if you wear trousers or jeans to work and sit around at a desk al day .. grin

SpiralSkies Thu 07-Feb-13 20:26:27

Oh, long socks Laska - why didn't I think of that? My long-suffering bloke can't keep up with the crazy swings from toes like icicles to the jolly night 'hots'. Some nights he's begging to close the window because he's got ice in his hair, the next I'm in bed wearing all the clothes I own. Never a dull moment. I quite miss my Son 1 too - he's in his first year at Uni.

Can I suggest you do your first shred session on a day when you don't have to go anywhere the next day? I ached in places I didn't know I had the day after. And I'm reasonably fit but, man, Gillian does what she says on the tin!

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Thu 07-Feb-13 21:06:13

Two pairs of socks on fast days, one of them thermal... blush But I am getting better at working out how to fend off the cold. Best bet is not to let it take hold in the first place but go around wrapped up like an Eskimo all day smile

frenchfancy Thu 07-Feb-13 21:32:48

Sod long socks, I wear long johns! But I am working in an unheated house (we are renovating) so that is my excuse.

literarygeek Thu 07-Feb-13 22:28:29

Just seen the great post from cyclistist above. thank you.

Re: feeling the cold - I am always freezing so not sure if that makes a difference but I haven't noticed feeling more cold on fast days, really. That said, my house is always toasty - FF I really could not live in an unheated home! Over winter! Hats off to you (unless you are on the cote d'azur or something - then I could cope).

spiral - that's how she learned about sweat. Along the lines of: "why have you put water on your face, mummy?"

Breadandwine Thu 07-Feb-13 23:45:36

Hi folks

Thought I'd better come on here and announce my complete recovery from whatever lurgi it was that afflicted me! I should have posted this earlier, but I was drafting a new 5:2 carrot cake recipe.

Thanks for all your expressions of concern and good wishes. I have to say these threads kept me going whilst I was laid up. I do enjoy your company! thanks

Great post Cyclist! Strange you didn't get on with 5:2. You could always do 6:1 with a 'mini-fast' later in the week, as I've decided to move to.

I keep a pair of woollen walking socks by the bed in case I get cold feet in the night - it's only happened half a dozen times, but I'm ready if it strikes again. The good thing is - info on the Tips thread - it's a sign that the body is moving in the right direction.

Have a look at that carrot cake, folks, it really is a simple to make, tasty cake!

NatashaMousse Thu 07-Feb-13 23:51:06

Either on this thread or the main one (I think the latter) B&W posted a link to study on feeling chilled that I found interesting and encouraging (I have a consistently low body temp and am miserably cold on fast days):

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/225148.php

Worth reading if you're a fellow sufferer. Although it won't tell you how to warm up, the thought that low body temp is a positive pointer to longevity is cheering.

catsrus Fri 08-Feb-13 00:32:45

A great example of how flexible this WOE is - was fasting very successfully when a friend got In touch to say he'd got a promotion so did I want to meet for a drink, which turned into a meal.... So I had the standard miso soup and other hot drinks until 6.30 and then had 2 x wine and a lovely stir fry with noodles. Neither of us felt like pudding.

I had the benefit of about 21 hrs fasting, the pleasure of the spontaneous evening out and the satisfaction of eating what I wanted without going overboard and NO GUILT- I think this is what I'm aiming for long term smile

Laska42 Fri 08-Feb-13 09:11:23

Thats interesting Natascha and B&W* thanks for that link which id not seen before . I see they are talking mainly about Cronys . .. im not too up on this apart from the man in Dr Ms programme, (who didn't look that much like a fun guyeven if he is going to live much longer !!) ,Do they calorie restrict every day?..

I can see from my own experience of mainly 4:3 but now down to 5:2 most week , that I am most definitely cooler so its good to think that maybe a symptom that I'm getting the other health benefits.. I must do some more reading around..

BTW , I also wear thermals!! I do like the silk ones which are expensive but last for years and are so light and flexible .. However up until fairly recently I've not found thermal tops that I could wear to work as they all had high neck so showed under my scoop neck tops or dresses. But if you are feeling a bit flush these are brilliant as can be worn as a light but warm layer and they are definitely worth it as an investment. I have just replaced my 2yr old ones in a smaller size, but the old ones are still fine otherwise and im still using them . They sell them as singles also(and men's versions!!) but the 2 pack is cheaper.. I wear them every day at the moment, (no connection with the company!!)

Laska42 Fri 08-Feb-13 09:20:39

Silk camisoles are great also . I like these and they come in lots of colours .. in fact right now I have a silk camisole , a silk scoop T , an ordinary scoop T and a wool tunic on.. (and silk long johns and leggins and boots !!)grin ....and no I dont look like a bag lady because the thermals are all so fine.. but nice and warm here right now and just about to brave the boat to the mainland for a meeting ..

Bah would rather stay here in the warm.but I suppose I have to earn my £s . id i'm going to indulge my expensive tastes and pay the bills hmm

SpiralSkies Fri 08-Feb-13 09:48:42

Ooh, they look good Laska - lovely range of colours too. Sadly, I am working the bag lady look today: thermal jim-jams underneath my proper clothes. I won't venture beyond the village boundaries like this though. Probably.

ThinkICan Fri 08-Feb-13 11:16:14

Need a talking to! Tip2 - you there? Browsing online I found a one week General Motors plan rehashed. As I am on a plateau, wondering if I should try a few days of that just to get off the hump. Day 1 - fruits. Day 2 - veggies. Day 3 - fruits and veggies. Day 4 - bananas and milk...

literarygeek Fri 08-Feb-13 12:06:40

think what on earth is a General Motors plan?

frenchfancy Fri 08-Feb-13 13:08:24

Literarygeek Fortunately it isn't our home we are renovating so at least we are warm in the evenings.

Alaska77 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:09:22

Yes Think, what is a General Motors Plan?

Laska thanks for the link to the silk thermals, they look lovely. I have to admit to being a longstanding fan of long socks, though! I always wear long socks under trousers for work or jeans at the weekend. Keeps me nice and cosy. I'm also a big fan of Haramaki when the weather is cold. No chance of gaps of exposed skin!

I've also been feeling the cold more since starting this WOL, which I have put down to my decreasing body fat, and moving to a new desk at work which is right by a draughty door.

B&W glad you are fully recovered. I'm not feeling so good myself today; it was supposed to be a fast day but I woke up a bit fevery and shaky so have cancelled the fasting and am concentrating on nourishing comfort food like porridge and soup. I've had a few big changes in the last couple of weeks including a change of job which is requiring a bit more travel so I think it's all catching up with me.

Good luck to those of you starting The Shred - I'll be interested to find out how you get on! Do you need any equipment like weights or anything?

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:12:48

Hi there thinkIcan - been at the gym all morning so now catching up on email surfing MN and FB
GM diet - sorry but that is right out for me.
I have no interest in being told what diet combinations to have and what foods to eat on certain days.
I eat what I feel like when I feel like and always have family meals so would never want my kids to see me eating weird combinations.

The simplicity of 5:2 is what makes it sustainable.
All other "diets" are set up to fail so the publisher of the book can sell you a new book the next year.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 15:35:08

General Motors plan? Are we eligible for a government bailout? grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 15:36:48

Alaska a pair of weights, that's it. Lots of squats, lunges, pushups and things that make use of your own body weight, otherwise. It's a decent workout for the time allotted.

B&W very glad to hear you're feeling better!

ThinkICan Fri 08-Feb-13 16:54:50

Right, the GM Plan: This 7-day diet plan was developed for the employees of General Motors. The main aim of this program was to attain good health and fitness. A look at the major benefits of the diet should be enough to convince you of its importance and success:

Lose 5kgs to 8kgs within 7 days
Reduces flab from the tummy area
Adds natural glow to the skin
Rids the body of the toxins and you actually feel light and happy

The diet plan will sound outrageously cruel, but it becomes easy to follow if you complete the first two days successfully. By successful completion, it is obviously implied that you resist every single urge to break the diet regime. However, you must get a nod from your doctor before attempting this diet.
2.Day 1
Only fruits, with the exception of bananas, litchi, mangoes and grapes. Eat lots of watermelon, melon, pomegranates, apples, lime, oranges, strawberries and any other fruit that you like. Eat 20 times a day, if you want to, but only fruits.

3.Day 2
Only vegetables. Begin your day with one boiled potato with a tea-spoon of butter. For the rest of the day, eat only raw, boiled or otherwise cooked vegetables without oil. Don't eat more than one potato for the day. You can eat cabbage, carrots, cucumber, gourd and other vegetables. Add basil and oregano seasoning to them to make them more edible.

*If you make it through Day 2, then half the battle is won!
Day 3
Basically a combination of Day 1 and Day 2, which means you can eat fruits and vegetables of your liking, but no bananas or potatoes. Eat to your heart’s content and don’t forget to drink a lot of water.
Must drink 12 – 15 glasses of water every day. No fruit juices except on day 7, no coffee, tea except black or lime water without sugar. 45 mins of workout daily or on alternate days helps get superb results.
Day 4
Bananas and Milk. You have the liberty to eat almost 6 bananas and have up to 4 glasses of milk. Though, you were told that bananas lead to weight gain, in this diet, the bananas act as a source of sodium and potassium, since your salt intake during the GM diet had reduced considerably. You can even have the highly diluted, yet yummy vegetable soup (tomatoes, onions, capsicum and garlic). It is such a respite after the three days on fruits and vegetables only.
Day 5
Another feast day where you can eat sprouts, tomatoes and cottage cheese (paneer). You could also eat chicken or soya chunks. Supplement your diet with the wonder soup. Increase the intake of water on account of the urea formation
Day 6
Similar to Day 5, so you can eat sprouts, cottage cheese, chicken, soya chunks and other vegetables. No tomatoes. Supplement your diet with the wonder soup.
Day 7
It is the last day and you must be feeling very light and happy. This day you can have fruit juice, a bowl of rice or half roti, and any vegetable that you want to eat. If you are trying to lose to weight for a special occasion then you should try this diet at least two months before that. Also, you should maintain a gap of three to seven days between subsequent regimes.

ThinkICan Fri 08-Feb-13 16:55:39

blush as I wait for the responses!

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 17:01:12

thinkican
The links I found said the General Motors link is a myth.
And its just so complicated - you are guaranteed to fail. And what if you do not LIKE one of the foods.

Sorry but I'll stick to nice and simple 5:2 - wine and pizza tonight.
BMI holding steady still at 20.5

ThinkICan Fri 08-Feb-13 17:05:43

Just trying to shake it up as all the shaking I tried is not getting me out of my rut - boo hoo sad

SpiralSkies Fri 08-Feb-13 17:26:45

ThinkICan That sounds like torture! I remember my mother going on a bananas-and-skimmed-milk diet in the 70s. Every two hours it was a glass of milk or a nana, alternating. She always swore it worked but, er...

What about doing your 16-hour fast (or however you work your fast days) and then just having veggies? The idea of eating fruit 20 times a day, as suggested, would play havoc with your insulin levels shock

I've found, in the past and with other diets, that abandoning it completely for a few days has shocked my metabolism into action somehow. I Dukan-ed for yonks and it wasn't until I hit the f*ck-it button and stuffed a bacon sarnie with white bread and a bottle and a bit of wine that the plateau broke. But then it was back to eating a chicken a day, of course. The horror.

I do think our bodies get used to a certain 'regime' but your General Motors diet sounds more like you'll be wrestling your metabolism to the ground and kicking its head in!!! There must be a better way!!!!

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 17:56:14

ThinkICan I admit, parts of that actually made me laugh out loud. grin

I've just read some commentary online, including an op-ed in the NYT, and supposedly it works. Obviously in the short term, as I've no idea how long it stays off.

If you do it, let us know how it goes. smile It sounds like it would make for amusing commentary, at least.

ThinkICan Fri 08-Feb-13 18:12:01

Thanks Spiral - just thinking out loud. Will need a lot of will power to do it, I guess and I don't know if I'm up to it! GreenEggs - I will do some more research and some more thinking. And will let you know if I do it and disappear in a cloud of bananas and milk!

ThinkICan Fri 08-Feb-13 18:13:49

And it's so refreshing to think out loud with such a generous, thoughtful, non-judgmental bunch of people. I have yet to meet such kindness in real life. Love you all thanks

SpiralSkies Fri 08-Feb-13 18:19:29

Aw, I wish MN had a 'like' button. I agree, it's nice to be able to discuss this stuff without being shot down in flames grin

frenchfancy Fri 08-Feb-13 20:17:51

In the kindest most none judgemental way I can think to say it -that sounds like utter b**l***s. Of couse you will lose weight you are doing 0:7 rather than 5:2. Worth it perhaps if you have a wedding to go to and need to fit into the dress, but otherwise life is just too short.

frenchfancy Fri 08-Feb-13 20:19:25

And I love you all too (but I have been on the wine.

BlueGoddess Fri 08-Feb-13 21:55:23

I've just been talking to TalkinPeace2 in real life. She's been booted off so can't post herselfconfused - something to do with baiting Michael Grove's wife?

McGloom Fri 08-Feb-13 23:16:49

Michael Gove the Education Minister? I pity his wife. Unless she's a moron like him, then I'm right behind TiP2. Was this on an MN thread?!

ThinkICan Sat 09-Feb-13 01:17:48

We all love TiP2 - can't do without her sad

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 09-Feb-13 01:23:00

Really shocked to read this... I think TIP made a joke (?) on a thread about education reforms on wednesday and said that she had done the above - maybe someone connected to his wife saw it and comnplained to MNHQ. I hope she can come back or we can join her posting somewhere else?

ThinkICan Sat 09-Feb-13 01:52:59

frenchfancy - you can be judgmental if you want! It's just all those people who look at you with the 'What's wrong with you? Why can't you be like me and thin?' look that I'm talking about. They seem to say - to paraphrase a 'Sound of Music' movie song: 'Somewhere in your youth or childhood, you must have done something BAD.'

frenchfancy Sat 09-Feb-13 07:51:09

Oh no, we can't do this without TIP2! I always imagine her being like Jillian Michaels - all beautiful and slim and tells it exactly like it is (whilst shouting 3" from your face of course). I hope she is back soon.

literarygeek Sat 09-Feb-13 08:35:33

Errr what, now? Where is TiP?

Have I woken up to a weird alternative reality?

Salbertina Sat 09-Feb-13 08:40:10

Oh no, really?? Tip v v wise on IF/5:2

Gove's wife is the Times journo. Sarah Vine. Never struck me as a delicate flower from her writing. Bet shes on here tho but how odd! high up connections at MN towers?

BlueGoddess Sat 09-Feb-13 08:40:37

Sorry chaps, don't know any more than what I posted. She'll be back I'm sure - you can't keep a good woman down! grin

Salbertina Sat 09-Feb-13 08:51:35

Sorry but bollox to the GM diet! Sounds awfully unhealthy and utterly cashing in on the mistaken widely-held impression that fruit is "good" for us. Which it is.. In moderation on an occasional basis as it's laden w sugar albeit fruit sugar. Of course you're going to lose weight, but how long for?? hmm

catsrus Sat 09-Feb-13 09:34:49

What? TIP banned? What thread was that?

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 09-Feb-13 09:42:15

Oh sure, I'm less than a day away from going on holiday and things kick off. hmm I had a PM informing me that something had happened to TIP, but I admit I'm none the wiser as to the hows and whyfores...

Hopefully it's sorted out soon. To say these threads (and my MN experience in general) wouldn't be the same without her would be an understatement.

Shall send some PMs and get back to last minute packing..

ThinkICan Sat 09-Feb-13 12:52:19

Have a great holiday GreenEggs. We'll miss you though!

SpiralSkies Sat 09-Feb-13 14:37:45

I can't imagine TiP2 posting anything inflammatory - she's MN personified!

GreenEggs Have a fab hol. I've been reading the 5:2 threads since the beginning but rarely post so thought I'd say it here: THANK YOU! All the effort you put in is appreciated by far more people than you imagine! thanks

Laska42 Sat 09-Feb-13 16:52:38

I'm sure she will sort it out soon,, nothing but resourceful is our girl...We will keep her thread going though for her though.. so if it suddenly disappears (i.e gets pulled) ill repost a new one , so if it does just look out for a note on the main 5:2 board .

i made the lovely beetroot and red cabbage borscht for lunch again today (from an original idea of catsrus) My recipe is on the recipe thread.. Its so yummy and I'm not even on a fast day.. (Lamb tagine in the oven for later.. YUM..

virginposter Sat 09-Feb-13 17:01:13

greeneggs have a well deserved rest and come back ready and raring to go.
smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 09-Feb-13 17:07:26

Thanks ladies smile And that's very kind of you, Spiral. I think it's just a borderline OCD thing I have about wanting the threads to have the main info links so that people have them easily accessible and don't have to chase back through older threads.

And for now, looking forward to some sun!

Laska42 Sat 09-Feb-13 17:17:47

thinkican just quick as mumsnet seems so slow on the internet connection today.. the GM diet sounds a bit like the old 'cabbage soup diet@ lots of us tried in the 80s. it worked after a fashion because it was calorie restriction, but was so boring it was unsustainable. My main thoughts are that it sounds so restrictive, and that restrictive diets fail because you will rebel against them..

So whilst I wouldn't do it myself now , if you are really stuck and want to shake it up , why not try it for one week only and then go back to 5:2 or 4:3 after

but ill lay £5 to the lifeboat fund that you'll be totally sick of it after a week and wont last through a second !! but yes you may shock your body into losing .some..

Give it a go if it feels right for you right now .. you can always revert back to fasting anytime after .,thats the beauty of this WOE and why so many of us got through christmas reasonably unscathed by the end of January ( and ill lay another £5 that you'll be pleased to come back.. ( its ok .. Its for the lifeboats! ) let us know how it goes grin

Laska42 Sat 09-Feb-13 17:22:08

thinkican just quick as mumsnet seems so slow on the internet connection today.. the GM diet sounds a bit like the old 'cabbage soup diet@ lots of us tried in the 80s. it worked after a fashion because it was calorie restriction, but was so boring it was unsustainable. My main thoughts are that it sounds so restrictive, and that restrictive diets fail because you will rebel against them..

So whilst I wouldn't do it myself now , if you are really stuck and want to shake it up , why not try it for one week only and then go back to 5:2 or 4:3 after

but ill lay £5 to the lifeboat fund that you'll be totally sick of it after a week and wont last through a second !! but yes you may shock your body into losing .some..

Give it a go if it feels right for you right now .. you can always revert back to fasting anytime after .,thats the beauty of this WOE and why so many of us got through christmas reasonably unscathed by the end of January ( and ill lay another £5 that you'll be pleased to come back.. ( its ok .. Its for the lifeboats! ) let us know how it goes grin

virginposter Sat 09-Feb-13 17:28:25

There is a very interesting and positive article at the Daily Mail online written by Jenni Murray, talking about her breast cancer and how she has now found the new '2 day' diet devised by the doctors who did the Genesis research
at the purpose-built Breast Centre at the University Hospital of South Manchester. It's very similar to Dr MM's 5:2 but with no calorie counting. As has already been posted on the other 5:2 thread, fasting has been proven to aid in the prevention of breast cancer.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2275971/The-Two-Day-Diet-saved-breast-cancer--late.html#ixzz2KQKJOgu1
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Hello all! Thanks Laska for pming me - I had seen the thread but as I'm not maintaining yet I thought best to steer clear, but just can't keep up with the old thread, so hope you don't mind me rejoining the oldies group. Been officially doing this since thread 1 but all went to buggery after too many back to back visitors, then Christmas BUT I am back on board! Actually doing ADF for now to get to ideal weight (130lbs - sounds like not much for my height but now I've actually shifted some weight I've realized I have a fairly small frame underneath it all!) by my 30th inMay - and two weeks after that I have this mammoth charity bike ride to do (545miles in 6days, I am petrified) so have to make sure I'm fit not just skinny....

So hello again!

How rubbish about TiP! She's always been outspoken but no more so than anyone else - totally agree with whoever said she's our Jillian Michaels!

Eating day today, chocolate and almond croissants for breakfast, bottomless mimosa brunch later and out for a leaving do tonight so making the most of it!

MrTiP Sat 09-Feb-13 18:24:46

She is watching you .... and just waiting for MNHQ to reinstate her account grin

virginposter Sat 09-Feb-13 18:56:23

mrTiP hope she is back soon.

catsrus Sat 09-Feb-13 19:04:52

thanks for the update MrTiP we look forward to her return grin

laska I had a version of the soup made with savoy cabbage today - lol then to see the refs to the cabbage soup diet!

Ive made a beany casserole with lots of veg, including a home grown squash from last year - accidentally put in a tad too much paprika <oops> so fingers crossed it's not ruined sad. The beans were also a bit elderly - well soaked last night and boiled to death before putting them in, but still a bit "firm". more finger crossing!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 09-Feb-13 19:10:15

Hope tip back soon.

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 09-Feb-13 19:54:37

Hi America [waves] and Mr tloving the idea, of omnipresent tip!

America I have been looking out for your name, lovely that your back! I posted from thread 3 but have stalled for ages with a stone and half to two stone to g thread 12 is actually a lot more fun now as the newbies from Jan are in the swing of things! Nice to come here to familiar faces though x x all

I have been wittering on about needing to start exercising, how is shred going laska?

Have a fab hol greenshank

Daily mail article next week on 5 2 is proving to be a good opportunity to nudge my mum and dad towards this. My dad has had cancer so hope he reads it, they are in early 60s.

Have a good weekend all smile

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 09-Feb-13 20:03:29

argh need to preview when using Swype; but doing this while making supper for children who keep popping in wanting cuddles or juice or batteries in toys!

Green shanks bear that is pretty unforgivable, sorry greeneggs!

ThinkICan Sun 10-Feb-13 01:05:58

Thanks Laska. The GM diet does look slightly crazy so it's something I might check out just to shake things loose as I am sort of low on motivation now and need a kick! Not looking at it as an alternative to our beautiful WOL though. Will keep you posted on trial, if any. Thanks Mr Tip for letting us know. Waiting for you TiP2.

Aw giraffes that's a lovely welcome back! grin at GreenShanks

Ugh I am FULL UP! Eating day for sure, though wrote it all down and though I've snacked on crap a lot it's isn't that much good food.

How is everyone who's maintaining doing on eating days now?

Ps I have Shred sat unopened on the shelf....fancy a Shred buddy giraffes?!

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 09:45:22

Hello, can a I pull up a chair at this table? I wouldn't say I'm at maintenance exactly as frankly it's all so achievable I'm giving myself new targets! Disclaimer: after the weekend of eating I'm having the target I just reached last week (to get to normal bmi) will be a distant memory if I go near the scales, so very much avoiding them til after my second fast day in the coming week...

I looked up Shred - often being bandied around on here and I can see why, I'm going to go for it, am truly disturbed with what's happened to my arse in the last couple of years (age plus weight increase then weightloss I assume hmm) and running has done nothing to assuage it. Jillian Michaels, do your worst gulp.

Lunch today is Chinese buffet double gulp.

Breadandwine Sun 10-Feb-13 11:28:59

Hi Betsy and welcome. smile

Just heard from Piebaldrider - she's promised to post sometime today.

Iwearblack Sun 10-Feb-13 12:24:26

Hope TiP is back soon. I can't see Sarah Vine taking offence at Gove-bashing - she does it herself enough! And has anyone found ManonBoard?
I go away for 3 days and feel left behind!
Just had a look at the Shred on YouTube - the beginner should be a bit more flabby then the lovely Anita is! It's a bit too hard core for me. I have started the old canadian royal airforce exercises that are much gentler!! As you get older you are given a much lower level to aim for. I am currently at about 10 sit-ups which nearly kills me!
Looking forward to fasting tomorrow as have had far too many takeouts and new flavour chunky kitkats (yey for the chocolate fudge one!) in recent days ...

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 13:10:14

My shred hasnt arrived yet, so of course (any old excuse )ive not started it! But if we are having a A Shread challenge ill have a go at day one on you tube later on today.

fasting today and 19hrs in.. but about to have some of the borscht (its only just over 11lcals a bowlful) .. but have found a recipe for baked spiced tofu and stir fry veg think so will give it a go as tofu is pretty low in calories (76 per 100g)

cats re cabbage soup (which of course mine a has) the worst thing i remember about that diets was the (ahem) parps.... oh and that i caved spectacularily on several occasions and put it all back on .. Beware ...thinkican !!

Oh god are we really going to start a Shred challenge?! Ok, I'm in...when are we starting, today or tomorrow?

Laska is your borscht recipe on he recipe thread? I have some beetroot languishing in my fridge and its a fast day today (a long one, its only 6am, I've already been up for an hour with DD)

I feel like I'm bingeing on eating days at the moment....not good at all

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 14:42:41

hi there america (I still want to call you GWTMH!!) yes its on page 2 . Red Cabbage and Beet Borscht.. so you'll also need cabbage , doesnt have to be red though

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 15:16:58

How about tomorrow? ( says Mrs Procrastinator grin...I'm too hungry to think about more than 20mins on the rebounder today ) Also my dvd I may have arrived then so can do it in a better space than trying to see it on my laptop on the floor or the desk.

But quite frankly I'm so unfit that I reckon ill find it really hard to start off with , but yes having shred buddies at least means I might be a bit more accountable.....

So who is up for it ?

Me (yup) Betsy? , Giraffe? America? Anyone else?

SpiralSkies Sun 10-Feb-13 15:19:50

I'm up for it but, er, not tomorrow - dog walking, school run, full day at work, orchestra rehearsal. Gawd. It's rubbish being a grown-up sometimes innit?

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 15:27:26

just to let you know that Mister T who joined us yesterday is also blocked...

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 15:33:36

spiral it doesn't have to be a race.so if you are up for it start sometime this week and post , that's what I'm going to do . I'm such a sloth , that ill be happy if i can do it a couple of times a week to start off with! . but at least if there's a few of us then we can chat and encourage each other..

I'm already thinking bikini!!. well thinking of my wrinkly 55yr old skin n one after losing all this weight ,(sorry to give you that horrible thought .. too much information there) if I can tone some of that up for my June holiday in the suns ill be happy

SpiralSkies Sun 10-Feb-13 15:38:51

That sounds good to me then Laska. Bikini eh? You go girl!

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 15:49:58

bear ooh look.. I saw giraffes bear up there and wondered how you did it , you just type bear inside [ ] what else is there?

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 16:20:42

Well I've ordered my shred dvd today but when it arrives I'm up for it! Bikini wearing in the summer is definitely a good incentive yikes.

Didn't over-indulge at the Chinese Buffet and did eat mainly delicious veg-based dishes so feeling less horrified at the idea of a weigh in next week. Of course, there is the rest of the Orange cake to eat... not sure I'll be able to fast tomorrow knowing it's there. Also I think I'd like to try and adapt the recipe so its got less sugar in, I reckon it could be halved without any effect on the overall taste.

virginposter Sun 10-Feb-13 16:56:34

Well cat and dog don't work, I wonder why bear does?
Thanks for the tip about the orange cake and sugar, I'm going to try it this week and will reduce the sugar.

frenchfancy Sun 10-Feb-13 17:01:59

I think it is the mumsnet pombear bear

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 17:05:17

Virgin I did also drizzle the cake in a honey, citrus, zest & calvados syrup so actually made it sweeter than it would have been anyway wink. Also I sprinkled the top with almond flakes before baking which I'd highly recommend. Was excellent grin!

Ok you're on Laska, tomorrow is a good day for me to start, DS at preschool and Monday's generally feel like good days to start these things. Are you supposed to do it every day?!

Rubbish about MrT, shall we stage a revolt to allow TiP just back on our thread?

Betsy can you post your low sugar orange cake recipe? We have a glut of oranges in our garden and I'm trying to do healthier cakes for the DC

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 10-Feb-13 18:01:09

What a shame about Mr t sad

Def up for shred buddies America grin Glad we are starting tomorrow laska, procrastination suits me! been overindulging in cava at a party so ordering shred now seems like a good idea but maybe not tomorrow! Bit scared to enter my diary on MFP have def overindulged today.

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 18:17:36

Americas Recipe is from here, just had another slice to ponder on recipe tweaks - mine came out extremely moist, which although delicious means it's more pudding-y than cake-y iyswim, so I think I'd add a small amount of flour, maybe 2oz, could be a wheat free. Sugar could be reduced I think, especially if adding a syrup drizzle. I used light muscavado rather than caster.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 10-Feb-13 20:07:24

Not good about TiP we need her back on this thread.

laska I've been on this today which shows bear thing

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1680057-A-MN-revelation-that-I-never-knew-until-now

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 10-Feb-13 23:18:55

After 8s I hadn't been back to that thread you linked to, when I was reading the pombear back story just then I started to panic that I had made some kind of swingers reference by including it, phew I wasn't totally off the mark with my bear anyone! well done on link smile

NatashaMousse Mon 11-Feb-13 01:36:20

Bummer about Mr and Mrs TIP. I only frequent the 5:2 threads on MN and so have no idea what the source of the trouble is. It's distressing to think that a difference of opinion, however strongly expressed, could lead to being banned on a discussion forum. confused I'd love to see her, them back.

Ezzza Mon 11-Feb-13 05:36:00

New flavour chunky kitkats Iwearblack? Now I really want to get back to the UK!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 06:15:00

giraffes smile

Morning all, well I just ordered my shred dvd, I'm gonna join in, and may see if I can find it online so I can do it today and not miss the boat (+ I'm off work tomorrow so makes sense to be acheing all over then!), but if there are more then 10 situps I'll be screwed!

aagghhh about tip2 hope she's back soon!

glad breadandwine is fully recovered, looking forward to checking out your carrot cake recipe, but I make a declicious supermoist one with a tin of crushed pineapple that could never be a fast day food!

have a fab and sunny holiday greeneggs ooohh I really am quite jealous, I so need a sunny holiday!

thinkican do you really need to do the GM diet? I know how frustrating the plateau's are, I've not lost anything for ages (honestly like the end of november!), becasue I had to lose the 3 pound gain from christmas and took me a while to get back on track after a 3 week break, but by their very nature plateau's do end, and maybe just some exercise might be enough to kickstart instead? why not join us with the shred....or did you already say you were going to? anyway, my opinion is everyone should do what they want, but to me this WOE makes such sense and eating what we like and listening to our bodies makes the most sense.......that's not to say listening to our emotional voices that say stuff our faces with chocolate/biscuits/wine/cheese/nuts should be listened to much....but a little now and then is good for balance!

right, my flat had 14 viewings last week, and now teh week of second viewings is starting, first today, hoping for some offers by midweek, but having some wobbles about leaving london, had a boring weekend up north with teh children, weather was rubbish and cooped up in my bf's small house with none of our things or friends around to distract with was really no advert for how life could be up there, am going to have another look at london property.....ooohh think I'll be procrastinating about this decision for a long time! but I did visit a lovely schol with class sizes of 19 and 22 for my two little ones, that is very appealing!

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 12:05:33

MOCNK
I think shred part one is here can see youtube from my work Pc though even at lunchtimes ! ..
anyway if not just google 'you tube shred part one' ..

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 12:42:33

Shredders - I do want to join in but will wait til my dvd arrives (why start today when you can wait til tomorrow? wink)

I have a 5:2 buddy IRL! My DH has now read the book, watched the documentary and although announced last night he couldn't start today did in fact skip breakfast and take in a pot of Glorious meal soup to work and says he's feeling fine, just about to have lunch smile.

I've just worked out on MFP that today's soup is only 100 cals per portion and held out 20 hours since last eating grin.

Stuck at home with a sick child (plus a very bouncy well child - it's half term here) so an added fasting challenge but all going well so far, am forcing the kids to eat super-healthily today, mainly by having no snacky crap in the house and loads of excellent fruit. Broke my fast with a very satisfying 30 calories worth of blueberries and strawberries waves away guilty feelings about airmiles.

ThinkICan Mon 11-Feb-13 12:43:20

Thank you MOCNK for your helpful words. I was looking at doing GM for one week only to jog my system but will have to do a lot of research even before trying. And I don't know if I will have the will power for it or will crash and burn after a day or two! Also, who knows if it will all come back the week after. It's just that with another 30 lb to go to reach the top end of my ideal weight, it gets to be frustrating sometimes. Which is where all you kind souls are so helpful smile The shred? Have never done anything beyond walking, stair climbing and 20 push ups for the tummy. Will I be able to do it?

thinkican having just read reviews.....stupidly after already ordering the dvd, i'm having serious doubts I can do it... daily exercise other than cycling? eeekkkkk but hey it can't hurt will only hurt for a bit, and imagine seeing the change on the tape measure? am i convincing you? no? me neither, but I'm gonna give it a go, although like betsy may also wait for dvd! also I think I need handweights and don;t have any, so i'm going to order from argos. I have never bought a fitness or exercise video in my life, so this is a first, and I hate to fail at things, even if I only do them once successfully!

really if I could get a toned body at this stage in my life, having never really had one, I would be very very impressed, not to mention it might set some good examples for my DC's

tonight I am going to measure up, in preparation.

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 11-Feb-13 13:28:25

Just did shred level 1. I cheated quite a bit and didn’t use any weights; partly because I am cautious about my knees (had a strap thing on). Found jumping jacks pretty tough on the old pelvic floor blush also my neck hurts a bit doing the ab exercises, is that normal? Anyway thanks guys I wouldn't have got round to it without buddy/challenge impetus! grin grin

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 11-Feb-13 13:31:36

I am sound like a total hypocondriac blush

no giraffes you sound like a total star you did it! woop woop! well done, i'm impressed.

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 13:53:00

giraffes mumofcnk The review I read said something along the lines of "You will want to die after 20mins" erm, ok then [shocked]. Well done giraffes for getting started. I think the neck pain comes from not having much ab strength (yet) if you see what I mean - it's a familiar pain when I occasionally do ab work... core strength? What's that then? wink, we'll get there gulp.

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 13:54:10

Damn. that means Ill have to do it now...

Well done giraffes

Dont worry MOCNK , im a total unfit sloth also and fully expect to be dead by the end of the week doing shred from what ive heard , ( but dont let me put you off or anything!!)

Oh god I didn't think anyone was really going to do it!! Bugger ok, we'll done giraffes for kick starting us all.

It's 6am here, DD has been up since 5am again - tempted to get Shred over and done with now, though might wait for DS to get up so he can entertain his sister, not sure it will help having a 14mo under my feet!

Non fast day and I've already eaten a thick slice of chocolate and banana cake and a punnet of raspberries. Sigh. Feeling properly full though probably cos I wasn't hungry in the first place

Great news on the flat mumof are you actually contemplating a move up north?! We left London last year but for California - I've compromised with DH that when we go back we'll move to Brighton, but I don't want to leave London properly!!

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 11-Feb-13 14:23:53

{shines halo }

Go for it America apparently excersis in the morning is most effective for fat burning grin can you put dd in a high chair?

Thanks for that info betsy makes me feel less concerned I am doing something wrong.

laska you can do it!!

How often to we need to do it though (grimace)

Day one done - Er, hate to say it but I didn't find it that hard? Maybe because I was seriously expecting to die, probably because I made it to power yoga twice last week. I'll do every day if DD continues getting up at stupid o'clock, be interesting to see if it's harder after an eating day rather than a fast day. Are you supposed to do 10 days at each level?

Time for a cuppa I reckon

Also DD was fine, she was carrying round my hand weights then trying to jump with me during cardio. She did sit on me during crunches though....

virginposter Mon 11-Feb-13 14:57:06

aftereights
Thank you, thank you, thank you for the link to the origins of the pom bear. Have just finished reading the entire 29 page thread and it was hilarious and cheered me up no end. I would suggest that anyone who has the time and is in need of a jolly good laugh, to read it in it's entirety. It's a hoot bear

americas I so wish I was moving to California or Brighton rather than up North (Wiral in between wales and Liverpool), but it's where i'm from originally, so family and a few friends there, and a more outdoorsy life for the children (not that I am that keen on outdoorsy life, I just need lots of people!) but honestly, getting divorced and having to sell and split the proceeds of your family home means there just isn't enough money left to stay in London alone. I'll have lots of friends to visit in london, and hopefully they'll visit us, but it won't be the same, am definitely dreading the having to start again thing, new friends, schools, job etc. trying to stay positive though and hoping that will get me through it!

sorry totally off topic.....have reserved davina weights at argos £14.99 for 3 sets.

giraffe aren't we supposed to do it every day for 30 days? can we tone that down to every other day, or won't it work then?

oohhh americas well done! so impressed that in my contemplating time, you've actually just done it! although i am at work, so can't do it right now, but maybe tonight....or tomorrow when i've bought the weights......

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 11-Feb-13 15:08:58

bonus points for crunches with a baby on tummy Americas shock . You are hardcore!!! grin

Yeah...I didnt actually manage to do the crunches when I had a lump of toddler sat on me!

mumofcrazy I can imagine London getting that much more expensive once you're a single parent for sure. If the same happened to us we'd have the expense of London but the support all there. Hopefully by moving though you might have family to help so you can escape to London sans kids?

welshmill Mon 11-Feb-13 15:36:02

I just watch the YouTube clip for shredding week one....not sure I'm quite ready for that yet shock....the most exercise I do is walking the dog at a fast pace every day......

frenchfancy Mon 11-Feb-13 16:44:32

I was due to do WK 5 of couch 2 5k tonight, but it is pouring down with rain so I'm going to shred with you all. I've been watching the biggest loser and losing it with Jillian on youtube so I know how evil she can be. gulp!

frenchfancy Mon 11-Feb-13 17:41:10

OK I'm done. Not quite as bad as I feared, but it still hurt. Don't know if I'll manage every day but I'll try.

Does anyone know how heavy the weights should be? I don't have any so I used some cans out of the cupboard.

All that and on a fast day too [proud]

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 18:05:49

blush to admit hadn't actually read bear thread when I did previous link. I now have I've howled with laughter for 2 hours & completely forgot I'm on a fast day.

Link here for whoever wants the funniest laugh you will have in ages

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/1056940-to-think-this-couple-are-bonkers?msgid=37196043#37196043

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 20:04:54

ok I did it too.. actually i thought it was quite hard I think its a good workout . but hmm .. push ups ..i've never managed to do one of those properly before,,

BUT (RANT and long story ALERT) though you have probably laughed and then I would have had to kill you

I dont watch telly , no really .. its not that I'm posh or snobby, but I just am always doing something else..and usually watch anything I want on iplayer sometime after (in fact when they went digital here I didn't even notice for some time that the telly wasn't working and it was only when my dad gave us his old set top box a month or so later did we get it back,.)

Anyway sometime over christmas our big old telly broke (although again we didn't notice for a while ) so eventually we splashed out an bought a new flat screen one along with a dvd that records , and satellite channels and all sorts of whizzy stuff we'd never bothered with before.. and today I turned it on FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME ( DH has used it ) and after 20 mins trying to get it to work and my new shred DVD going I was about to hurl it out of the window and ended up phoning DH (who works away all week ) somewhat tersely it has to be said there were a few Fwords to get him to talk me through HOW TO WORK THE S*DDNG THING.. !!

Jeez! I'm going into business manufacturing a universal remote of luddites (why are there two?, Why? Each with 50 S*DDNG buttons on that dont F-in do anything AT ALL?) My remote (for people who just want to bloody get on with it) will have only 4 big buttons On/off, Channel, Dvd and 'Oh F-it ill go do something else'. I mean by the time I get eligible of a free TV licence I wont have a hope in hell of even being able to turn the darned things on

Anyway , finally he talked me down, it showed my DVD I managed to do the shred and now i'm sitting here on my second glass of wine

Was that what Jillian meant us to do when she told us to get angry ? grin

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 20:16:09

frenchfancy i used my 500g weights so about the same as a tim nof beans.. if you look on the net some people are claiming they use 3lb weights .. No way .. I do have some 1lb weights also an d may be when i get used to it more ill try them..
i thought it was a good work out.. no really i did , ( but I can feel the burn in my arms already , )

Piebaldrider Mon 11-Feb-13 20:25:42

Hi its time for me to jump in and say thanks to the people who messaged me i do appreciate it. My head has been a bit elsewhere recently and i have not looked at emails or visited the site on a daily basis like i used too. I still want to lose some more weight and i want to stay connected to the people here who helped me along the way because it was you made the journey what it is and the changes i am making to my image and my life have been because of that journey we have shared . Sometimes there is much you want to say but no words to say it so today i just send you all love and light .

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 20:31:52

after8s wish id read this before id tried Jillian.. the comment about the shopping in waitrose on pg 6 is priceless!

btw am I missing something? how come so many people think this food is a code for swingers?

frenchfancy Mon 11-Feb-13 20:36:04

Laska No way could I have done it with 3lb weights. You sound like my DH with your rant against the TV, he is exactly the same.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 20:47:35

laska I've no idea I just know I'll never be able to watch dcs eat pombears again with a straight face.

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 20:53:52

That thread is so funny..especially the jello salad but you must look at this website :its ok, not rude!! for some old weightwatchers food ideas.. hmm wonder if they could be made 5;2 friendly//

I haven't got to the ref yet or to the return dinner party so still in the dark with that bear ,

Iwearblack Mon 11-Feb-13 21:01:30

I have never got the pombear reference before so thanks for enlightening me!
So did you manage the push-ups Laska? I'll stick to more gentle toning I think (though I used to think I couldn't fast all day and now I can so maybe The Shred will beckon one day too .... My bingo wings certainly need it ..)

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 21:09:43

OMG the melon mousse! Yuk did people really eat that?!

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 21:10:28

Just read through the pom bear, anyone? thread, absolutely hilarious - a good one for a fast day grin.

Getting a bit apprehensive about shred - are we doing it daily or can we do it 5:2 (ie just the '2' wink). Not that my copy's even been dispatched yet... I do have some weights somewhere though, I'll blow the cobwebs off in preparation.

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 21:22:29

bear Thanks *after8s best laugh I've had for ages Pombear anyone? Do they still make them.. I'm going to a friends for dinner this weekend..

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 21:26:53

iwearblack I did the beginner push ups .. sort of ..hmm
yes betsy I think it is supposed to be very day , .. its three work outs so i supposed you are supposed to go up a level every 10days.. however ill see how I get on and am going away this weekend as I said so wont be doing it then,,

Tbh ill be very happy if i manage it three times this week because thats 3 times more exercise than anything else i've been doing..

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 21:29:02

HI piebaldrider a lovely thought.. Thanks hope you see you here again soon

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 21:38:22

I have to say I did find today's fasting very hard but bear thread helped me get through it. Going to post on main thread also & tell people to read bear when going gets tough.

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 21:45:09

yeah bear and also to look at the weight watchers ideas so they dont feel hungry any more.. mmm Mexican shrimp orange salad... chilled celery log and frankfurter spectacular.. it has to be a wind up .. tell me it is..

Breadandwine Mon 11-Feb-13 21:51:31

Just to let you know folks, that Tip is now posting on here, where Mumsnet can't get her:

www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=948

So if anyone wants to chat, or PM her, now's your chance!

smile

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 22:23:34

Hahahahhaaahhaa - laska those recipe cards are, erm, inspiring hmm, brilliant find grin.

Laska42 Mon 11-Feb-13 23:24:26

....and before I finally go to bed (I'm blaming you for all this After8s) I must just post a couple more yummy American retro recipe sites. Do let me know if y'all want these on the 5:2 recipe thread !! This one has lots of interesting recipes I just know you will all be just dying to try... Do look at the index down the right side
and here is one especially for our sweet-toothed vegan friends.. B&W?

OH, and btw someone is selling a set of those WW recipe cards on ebay . I tell you, I'm soseriously tempted..

ThinkICan Tue 12-Feb-13 01:22:40

Thanks for the link Breadandwine.

NatashaMousse Tue 12-Feb-13 01:54:31

Thanks from me, too, for the link, B&W. It prodded me into signing up. I've been lurking over there for a while, mostly because the Nerd section, focused on the science side of things, is quite active and interesting.

Laska42 Tue 12-Feb-13 09:31:50

Morning Shedders .. are we doing it again today?
throws down gauntlet..

i'm feeling fine this morning , though darn hungry already (and its a fasting day).. at work but planning on shredding again this evening.

Just call me your on-board. Jillian!

virginposter Tue 12-Feb-13 11:55:58

Something weird has happened. On my last two fast days I haven't been freezing cold like on all the others ????

Laska42 Tue 12-Feb-13 12:53:26

Hmm the other 5:2board is not very friendlysad.. already those few of us who posted on TIPs thread have been accused of being a clique .. . dont think ill be going back except to say hi to TIP sometimes..

werent they formed from the residue of the unfriendly facebook crew?

frenchfancy Tue 12-Feb-13 13:43:27

I accept the callenge Laska,though I was planning to run tonight. Not sure I'm ready to do both.

Waaaaa my bum and inside thigh muscles HURT! Smugness all gone. Will def do Shred tonight, am too knackered this am with DD waking at 5am again - but might go for a bike ride if DH gets up

SpiralSkies Tue 12-Feb-13 15:43:53

Ouf, no Shred for me again today - lurking back problem rules out anything but gentle yoga stretches. Feel like old crone. Bah. And other swear words. Tomorrow morning I will do it for sure. Want toned arms by Friday night, if you please wink

frenchfancy Tue 12-Feb-13 17:56:32

I've shredded! I think it hurt more today than it did yesterday. I hate the squats with arm curls and the last set of abs (but at least by then I know it is nearly over). Even the stretches at the end hurt. It better be worth it.

SpiralSkies Tue 12-Feb-13 18:04:44

FrenchFancy Shredding rocks. You really must take your measurements - at 42, last year, I wore a sleeveless top for the first time EVER after 6 weeks of Shred. Disgusted with myself that I stopped doing it. Tomorrow. Oh yes.

frenchfancy Tue 12-Feb-13 18:13:14

laska you've had an apology on the other forum and they want you to keep posting. TBH I think they are just people who don't use forums much so don't know how easy it is to offend.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Feb-13 18:26:02

Finding following the other forum difficult on my phone which is what I use on here. May try again but print size is giving me a headache & if I'm on 2 forums I really will not have time for anything else. Say hi to TiP for me....

Laska42 Tue 12-Feb-13 18:40:57

Im shredded!! Day 2 ..28 to go! grin gotta go and cook my fast day meal now. back later

Iwearblack Tue 12-Feb-13 19:47:03

Well Ezzza my verdict is:

Hazelnut chunky kitkats- very disappointing; poor man's Topic
Mint: ok, bit bland
Coconut: good because daughter and partner don't like coconut but no great shakes
Chocolate fudge: oh my; awesome winner. Rival to the exquisite peanut chunky kitkats.

And that completes the votes from the IWB jury.....

Iwearblack Tue 12-Feb-13 19:48:42

Hmm remind me why I am overweight again?

Laska42 Tue 12-Feb-13 20:01:29

hi french im not mortally wounded and I will post again, was just a bit narked.. possibly IWBU.. but thanks for the nice recommend you gave about us all us all.. thanks

so lovely prawns an veggies later.

I noticed that my armpits hurt when restarting the shred today ! I dont think they ever have before.. so what strange muscle is that targeting?.. (hopefully those for bingo wing reduction.) . otherwise the muscles on my lower thighs and just above my knees are twinging..

I have no known muscles in my stomach to hurt so thats ok ..grin

Laska42 Tue 12-Feb-13 20:02:57

I wear black today was an eating day I hope.. grin

frenchfancy Tue 12-Feb-13 20:06:23

Laska the bit of me that hurts the most is my neck. I'm obviously doing something wrong with the abs

Iwearblack Tue 12-Feb-13 20:20:25

Amazingly the 4 kitkats were bought last week so lasted 8 days (between 3 of us)!! That is a 'NSV' in itself for me ....

GiraffesEatPineapples Tue 12-Feb-13 20:23:37

My neck hurt when I was doing it too. Really impressed because I got up before the children this morning and did a postnatal dvd as worried about pfm. I then ate a small bowl of porridge for breakfast instaed of toast for the first time since starting this woe! My legs and arms feel tired . Planning to AD shred so I will still be on day 15 when most of you have finished...

grin laska but TBH my tummy spontaneously hurts sometimes and I think its precisely because I have no tummy muscles!

Laska42 Tue 12-Feb-13 20:35:14

Giraffes .. I wont be doing it everyday.. . ill be away at the weekend anyway.. But I reckon if I can keep it up until level one feels easy ill be pleased enough however long that takes , then ill think about moving up to the next level.. I've not exercised for so long . I'm surprised i've managed these two sessions..(and I may not be able to move tomorrow !! ) smile

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Feb-13 21:10:20

Well I've spent most of today trying to find fabulous recipes a la laska but have failed miserably....

dontcallmehon Tue 12-Feb-13 22:00:22

Hello all, I don't post very often, but I have been doing 5:2 from the start. Maintaining nicely at BMI of 20.

Oh god all of you doing Shred today means I will have to do it tonight, I went back to bed this morning which was great as fast day didn't therefore start til 10am, brilliant

I'm probably not going to go on the other forum, MN is addiction enough!

I'm a bit gutted to have realized I am small framed tbh. It seems to mean that at 135lbs (9stone 9lbs) and 5'9" I STILL have goddamn saddlebags. I don't get it. Went on one of those photo body galleries and women my weight but several inches shorter look thinner than me. So annoying so def cant really base it on weight and instead on dress size and measurements

ThinkICan Wed 13-Feb-13 01:21:00

I agree - not going on other thread as all of you are here! Will just keep track of any TiP-isms!

I did Shred - and made DH do it too. He pratted around at first but then got into it.

I think I went a bit over on my fast today, gonna swap days around though so I don't need to fast on V day as he's got a lush fish fondue planned.

Night all

Ezzza Wed 13-Feb-13 06:14:29

Mmm... Iwearblack, soo looking forward to being able to return my own verdict on those chunky kitkats!

I've been toying with the idea of Shredding too, but a bit scared. I had an e-mail from Amazon this morning asking me if I wanted to by the DVD. If I do do it I won't be able to start until March though as I won't be back in the UK until then to get hold of the DVD. I can't do it on Youtube because Youtube is blocked in China. sad V. inconvenient at times. Ah well, I'll just carry on c25king for now.

Piebaldrider Wed 13-Feb-13 07:31:08

I managed a good fast day On Monday and didn't eat at all yesterday until 2.30pm just to extend the fast as long as possible. However i have mentioned before that i work at the head office of a world wide company that makes and delivers the scrumiest pizzas ever as as part of our on going training we have to spend time learning how a store runs and how to make the pizza. Yesterday was day one and great fun but for lunch we were given just about everything on the menu and although i didn't over eat i was stuffed to the limit and felt bad for the rest of the day. I don't even want to count the calories consumed and as they were all delicious i will just let it go. Today is day two and i will be there until at least midnight so the food will be provided again but i shall be taking my own, i can honestly say due to this way of eating i cant stand feeling like i have over eaten and i cant manage to eat the amounts i used too. So if everyone here mentally sends me the thought you will not eat pizza today i should get the connection and not feel tempted .wink

Laska42 Wed 13-Feb-13 09:07:54

piebaldrider that must be so hard.. I havent actually eaten pizza for over 4years now although love it. I know I can on this WOE , but Its a hangover from doing WW .
I will again though.. soon..

I ache in places I didn’t realise I have this morning, BUT I’m doing it again tonight ( buns of steel!.. ok not!) ..

However,I’ve got it into my tiny vain head that I can break this plateau and make my goal of 9:!0 ..(vain because it is only 7lbs.. but id love it so much if I could get down to 4 whole stone lost .. (that’s over several years its true) . If I could id be back to what I was at uni , and I have a teeny tiny red tartan kilt (punk style) from that era that id love just to be able to zip up .. even if I never dared wear it anywhere grin.

So!! Shred again tonight ? .. I have a conference with lunch to attend today so ill be sitting on me ar$e most of the day again .. I’m up for shred again tonight (that means I can have cake!) Anyone else? Like I say I’m your on-board Jillian!..

French yes I had been planning on starting c25k again also , so I might start doing Shred on alternate nights..

I dont have time to post over to on the other fastdiet board either . but will pop in sometime to say hi to TIP .. I’m happy here , ..but actually I really must post back on the main thread to offer suport .. I don’t think I have at all this one..

NatashaMousse Wed 13-Feb-13 09:10:28

Piebaldrider, I have a feeling that just the sight of pizza today will make you feel as uncomfortably sated as you were yesterday and give you repelling thoughts of greasy cheese congealing in your tummy. Your take-along will look and taste heavenly by comparison, and you'll feel refreshed instead of bogged down. Onward!

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 10:45:30

Well done Laska . Piebald I think its fair enough to bring your own food for day 2, takeaway pizza isn't meant to be eaten days in a row and at least you could eat it on day 1 without saying 'I'm on a diet as natasha says visualise the grease today and enjoy your meal'.

Fasting today so far so good and what TIP used to say is true

Forgot ds' trainers tofay so did some HITT by running back to school with them. Did modified shred today used a kettlebell or no weights and butt kick with arm flapping instead of jumping jacks (DD 'you look silly mummy' also she was very keen for me to put a cardigan on afterwards!). Trying to put as much energy in to butt kick as possible ala HITT.

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 10:47:56

sorry unfinished sentence dd was talking to me!

Fasting today so far so good and what TIP used to say is true excersis does seem to blunt the appetite! going to probably break fast with an apple and milky tea now (for recovery!)

ok, I've failed, the shred dvd arrived, but I didn't make it to argos yesterday to collect the reserved weights, interestingly i totally forgot and didn't even add the task to my long 'to do' list! so Friday will be the next opportunity to go and get the weights......ok, ok I'm procrastinating...sorry, i will shred Fri, sat, Sun and catch up!

fast day today, finally feeling as slim as I was back in november, so barring TOTM I am hoping for a new loss on the scales tomorrow...fingers crossed.

looking forward to broccoli and stilton soup for lunch, and stir fry for dinner, gonna try laska's peanut butter addition to the stirfry to add some needed flavour.

off to make a chamomile tea, hav a good day all and congrats on all who have shredded!

Laska42 Wed 13-Feb-13 12:01:34

use cans of beans MOCNK instead of weights oh I am mean! grin

right ..just off to sandwich brown fried things and cake fest ( conference food)

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 12:24:07

or no weights mocnk - my arms still hurt the next day { also mean evil cakle mwaha}

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 12:36:47

I don't have weights, I'm using cans of coconut milk as beans are too precious round here.

As predicted I didn't get off my arse and run this morning, so I've done it a lunchtime instead. I'll try and shred this evening too.

I've been a good girl and avoided the scales all week. Fast day tomorrow and weigh in on Friday, there better be some movement after all this effort!

damn you all, I was hoping to procrastinate for longer!

ok fast day as it is I will attempt to shred this evening with cans for weights...ggrrrrr!

french you are sounding superbly motivated, I am hoping it rubs off on me!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Wed 13-Feb-13 14:30:05

Fast day today & dreaming of pizza now. piebald I've had to go gluten free does your company make them by any chance. The one gluten free one I tried wasn't that great.

virginposter Wed 13-Feb-13 14:53:17

dontcallmehon Well done for managing to maintain. I've always found maintaining to be harder than losing the weight in the first place. A few years back I lost 3 stone with S.W. over 2 years and it took me less than 1 year to put a stone back on!
Love to hear how you do your maintaining smile

Yes I'm on for Shredding today - my calves are in agony though (it's painful to walk until I loosen up!) so think I need to add in some cool down stretches. I'm going to bike DS to preschool (DD I might leave at home with DH, it's do hard cycling them both!) then come back and Shred in an attempt to deviate hunger

I made DH do it with tins last night!

virginposter Wed 13-Feb-13 15:56:03

b&w where are you and how are you getting on? wink

ThinkICan Wed 13-Feb-13 16:00:59

B & W is winning friends in the fastdiet site!

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 16:12:09

OK I'll admit I'm motivated as I'm going to the UK to a family reunion in 10 days and I want people to really notice the difference. I don't want to be the chubby one any more. Going to log off and shred now.

Oh no are we losing everyone to the fastdiet site?

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 17:18:43

I'm still here.

I'm shredded. When does it stop hurting?

Breadandwine Wed 13-Feb-13 18:39:44

Hi vp thanks for asking - as Tic says I've been active over on the FD site - I've also been knocking up recipes and, well, lurking on here!

I had a temperature for about 5 days last week, fully recovered now and I'm in good shape!

The FD forum can complement these threads, IMO, and I - and several others - are contributing as we do here. There's lots of scientific work going on over there and it's well worth a browse.

Tip, of course, is stirring them up a bit, as you'd expect! smile

I've no intention of leaving - I've made too many friends on here! grin

There's also a forum set up by Kate Harrison on the back of her book:

the5-2dietbook.com/

I see nothing there to attract me over!

Laska42 Wed 13-Feb-13 19:29:03

I'm shredded again! grinI have to say im pretty impressed with myself - 3 days in a row and this from the person who hasn't truly done any cardio or strength exercises for about 2 years (walking and cycling are my things. But well. i wasn't that unfit obviously. as lots of hills round here and I'm not finding it too hard but not at all toned so I'm hoping to see some results there.

Can feel something that might be achey tummy muscles.. so i must be doing something right..

Who was it the other day who said their neck hurt? ( I could look back ..)
Anyway . . I must be paying more attention today because I heard Jillian say that you should point your throat up to the ceiling when doing crunches.. by that I think she means to not lead with your head .. this I think is why it can hurt the neck ( something i have found before.. the other tip I remember from old exercise classes is to just put the tips of your fingers behind the ears and as you come up not to bend your ears forward at all with your fingers..

Oh yes re: toddlers sitting on you whilst doing crunches.My cat came in soaking wet from the garden and rubbed himself all over my face and arms whilst I was doing the floor exercises .then jumped on my stomach .. Aargh! .. but I carried on doing what Jillian told me! .. Respect eh?

B&W glad t you haven't left us (i was wondering) ..I dont think I have time to do another board.. so ATB im staying here .

Good to hear from you dontcallmehon we need maintainers and 'nearly theres' over here so we can still encourage each other and so we can make sure that this is not only our last ever weight loss regime but also our 'forever diet'

Our last ever weight loss regime Hey doesn't that sound great ??.. I'm certainly hoping that continuing this WOE (and hopefully along with people like you for support ) will mean I never have to 'diet' againsmile

catsrus Wed 13-Feb-13 20:03:32

Hi all - i admire the shredders but dont intend to join you grin

I'm on a fast day today - tea, coffee and miso soup until I came home. Unpacked my shopping and put a bag of cashews and one of apricots into containers - nibbled a few of each <yum> didn't both counting the calories (am on maintenance not loss ATM ) then had some lentil curry on lightly stemed savoy cabbage (instead of rice). Added some yoghurt and chilli pickle to give it more umph. Nicely full now.

I made the mistake of having a little tipple before bed last night - ok if I'd gone straight up but I got distracted which led to hunger -and 4 slices of toast butter and marmite at 1am <oops>. Anyway didn't eat any solids until I got home at 6.30 today so that over 17hrs - still good.

I'm still weighing every day because I know that in the past I have used not weighing as the equivalent of sticking my fingers in my ears and singing "la la la" - pretending the clothes weren't getting tighter blush. By just doing it I see the fluctuations and can see what the upper and lower limits of the fluctuations are. ATM its 9st 5lb to 9st 7lb ish. Ideally I'd like it to be 9st to 9st 3lb ish - but won't do the final push until the weather perks up a bit grin

dontcallmehon Wed 13-Feb-13 20:06:56

I've found I'm maintaining by still loosely following 5:2, but having a few extra treats on the eating days. I was quite strict to start with and followed ADF, so I've just relaxed a little. I am still losing a little weight (maybe a pound or two a month) so will soon switch to fasting just one day a week, I think.

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 20:14:39

B&W there are def some interesting researchy posts on 5 2 site (caroline's have caught my eye before) I havent had a proper look recently though.... we have gone a bit shredy over here grin Glad you are still posting here otherwise getting envy of 5 2 site!

Laska RespecK grin

Frenchfancy I think excersise does help make weightloss more visible hopefuly you will surprise your family

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 20:23:26

america at least you must be doing something right if your calves hurt? I have been cheating around squatting with weights as worried about knees thats prob why mine dont hurt. PS on saddlebags - running is really brill for slimming down legs and today I read that running is not thought to be bad for knees afterall shock

Laska42 Wed 13-Feb-13 20:36:48

My calves hurt also.. from which exercise is that do you think? squatting?

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 21:05:07

My calves hurt too, and it was my neck though it isn't so bad today. All the exercise has made me hungry though, I had a good dinner, but I'm hungry again. I don't want to eat as I'm fasting tomorrow. I'll have a glass of milk and see if that helps. Bedtime for me.

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 21:08:04

yes I would have thought so and also the semi lunge with weights? Frenchfancy I wasnt hungry after the dvd but once I started eating I found it hard to stop and ended up over cals on my fast day today.

Bordercollielover Wed 13-Feb-13 21:16:06

I will stay on this thread and watch you all shredding. Have just had 2 operations on my foot on Monday and got home this evening. My op was delayed all day so no food from Sunday evening to Tuesday morning: as Monday is a fast day for me that was no problem! But, my goodness,, what a lot of overweight nurses and what a lot of high carb meals and snacks they keep dishing up. When I got home I was craving watercress.
I am meant to be only putting weight on my heel but just can't seem to do it so think I will be in a wheelchair for weeks. Good upper body exercise I guess!

Glad that others calves are hurting, I was worried I wasn't doing it properly!

laska huge respect - DS took a tumble off his scooter this am and skidded on his face so I didn't Shred in the end - will have to be this eve as I'm trying to follow your example

giraffes that's a shame as I absolutely hate running! New swimming cossie arrives in the next few days so hoping the pool has the desired effect, banking on getting into surfing to sort my arms out. God I sound like a total exercise freak, which I absolutely am not!

Welcome back B&W, I'm missing the boys in the thread, any idea what happened to Cyclicist?

fretfree Wed 13-Feb-13 22:47:55

frenchfancy and giraffe - when you do the situps, think about leading with the top of your chest (just below your collarbones) rather than your head. That really helped me with avoiding neck pain

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 23:44:17

Thanks fretfree will def try that next time.

So still reading my library book and apparently excersise can renew brain cells improving (significantly it seems) our ability to learn and memory functioning. This is true for children and adults. (^The first 20 minutes^ by gretchen reynolds) .

Seriously, my memory is terrible and memory starts to deteriorate in 30s - Gah old age starts a lot sooner than I expected! The potential Alzheimers reduction with 5:2 is one of my main motivators for continuing this woe and it looks like excersise will have to continue too.

Breadandwine Wed 13-Feb-13 23:49:34

Just arrived home after a bridge evening with some mates - and there was the last quarter of this ratatouille(?) pie I made yesterday, calling my name!

So...it's now just a fond memory! Along with a small glass of stout and a (smaller) glass of wine.

(Wipes keyboard clean! grin)

I'm now doing a regime halfway between 5:2 and 6:1 - in that I have a complete <600 cal fast between dinner on Sunday and breakfast on Tuesday, and a 24 hour fast between dinner on Tuesday and dinner on Wednesday, whereupon I have a normal dinner.

Not sure about this - I wasn't as disciplined yesterday after dinner as I am on 5:2, and snacked into the evening, so I only managed 22 hours or so - not what I want.

However, it's early days, and I guess we're all feeling our way with our maintenance plans!

That pie I mentioned above - I'll put it on the recipe thread shortly. It's a substantial, and I mean serious, pie, made with bread dough and only <270 cals per portion. Absolutely gorgeous!

As I said on one of the other forums I'm on - who needs mince with recipes like this? grin

virginposter Thu 14-Feb-13 00:03:32

B&W great to see you fighting fit and posting here again, we can't afford to lose any more males!
It's very interesting to read how everyone is finding their way on the maintenance - I'm hoping to pinch all your ideas ready for after my last 5lb fast.

Well done you guys who are doing shredding, I'm feeling the pain (must be phantom) grin but am sticking to my dancing and walking for now. After all my weight is gone I am going to do some serious weight lifting in our garage gym to tone my arms, abs and inner thighs which all need attention.

Had a lovely compliment tonight at dancing from DH he said I looked like a greyhound (at least I think it was a compliment hmm)

virginposter Thu 14-Feb-13 00:07:21

I'm going to pop over onto the other forum to have a look at TiP but will most probable just lurk and absorb information - I'm quite shy really wink

GiraffesEatPineapples Thu 14-Feb-13 00:14:16

grin virginposter

I think your plan sounds good B&W and the snacking might have been a one off ? Pie sounds really good. Horse meat story is making us consider going parttarian or flexitarian or whatever its called so we can afford to buy meat occasionally from able and cole or somewhere sim. If waitrose has horse in their meatballs what hope is there!

Breadandwine Thu 14-Feb-13 00:35:29

I've put the pie on the recipe thread. It really is the business. I've still got some of the sauce left - and I made 2 grissini with the dough I trimmed from the pie, so the calorie count is under 270.

Thanks for all your concern folks! As I said earlier, this (these) thread(s) are where I feel most at home. And it's lovely to see all the newcomers who are coming on board and carrying on and enhancing the ethos that has been built up since last August. smile

Eventually, you'll all find yourselves over on the maintaining thread! It's in the natural scheme of things! grin

catsrus Thu 14-Feb-13 01:26:35

Lol at bordercollielover craving watercress

I know what you mean about health care workers and health shock the snack industry is a very successful one isn't it?

Breadandwine Thu 14-Feb-13 01:59:19

That last line was obviously meant for the other thread!

Too much wine? Surely not! grin

NatashaMousse Thu 14-Feb-13 02:18:58

Sorry to hear that you needed foot operations, BCL, but I trust that they will set things right. You have my sympathy . . . and encouragement. I went through something similar a few years ago and feared that I would gain weight. Au contraire. Several months of having to get around on crutches in non-weight-bearing mode, including navigating stairs, and compromised ability to prepare meals left me leaner and meaner. In fact, I had to resort to calorie-dense nutritional supplement drinks to keep my weight from falling too much.

I tried to keep up with daily exercise but it was rather exasperating and, of course, silly looking attempting various stretches and moves on only one leg, but I do think that helped expedite healing as well as keep my muscles from atrophying too much.

Glad you're home and can start eating healthy food again. Hope your recovery is fast and smooth.

ThinkICan Thu 14-Feb-13 03:06:13

"Our last ever weight loss regime" - a big YEAH to that wine

ThinkICan Thu 14-Feb-13 03:10:34

BCL - hang in there and we are all there for you. Cyclistist - we all miss you and the health capsules that kept us on the straight and narrow. Please come back!

B&W brilliant!

I didn't shred in the end...I did a bloody 7mile walk unintentionally instead (pushing a buggy and at a reasonably fast pace) and am knackered so used that as my exercise today...must do better tomorrow. Fasting went well though, but tired and hungry so going to bed now

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 14-Feb-13 06:36:04

border hope you are feeling better soon.

All the talk of shredding is making me feel very guilty, I don't do any exercise except for my Physio. I really must start again.... But it's finding something that won't completely inflame my arthritis or break the bank. & before anyone says I hate swimming! I don't really walk anywhere either & always park in a disabled bay (yes I do have a badge). I'm rambling now....

Have you tried your local leisure centre for something gentle like yoga or tai chi Aftereights? They don't have to be expensive classes, though to be honest I've no knowledge of arthritis so I could be talking bollocks....

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 14-Feb-13 09:20:31

I know I should get back to Pilates it did help. I used to do 1 to 1 which means they tailor the workout but it was getting very expensive.

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 09:38:09

cyclistist was lurking.. PM him and tell him you miss him!!

Bro tell us how you are.. we are missing you smile

nipping in ..at work so cant stay ,..blush

shred today ladies? ( MWA HA HA HA ... evil Jillian emoticon) if not she will set the pom bear onto you!!

im away tomorrow for the weekend so someone else will have to take the evil Jillian role..

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Feb-13 10:02:30

Aargh, not the pombear... Wonder if my shred video will arrive today? I'm a bit scared tbh!

literarygeek Thu 14-Feb-13 10:03:24

Hi guys
I'm still here. been a bit under the weather so just concentrating on getting back to feeling like myself. A bit overwhelmed at the idea of other forums and tbh even the main 5:2 thread seems a bit huge right now- am too scared to look!
On the plus side, while I haven't weighed yet since my self-imposed scales embargo- my size 10 clothes are all getting pretty 'comfy.' So that's nice.

Oh, and I know it's a made up non-event, but happy valentines to you all, nonetheless.

ok, so I put the shred dvd on rather stupidly before the kids went to bed, they insisted we do it, so still dressed in work clothes and with tins we all had a go, although in honesty I probably did about half as i kept having to show my very clumsy and uncoordinated daughter how to do star jumps, hilariously she cannot do 2 things at once. and then whne I was grunting a bit doing the crunch's she came and put a pillow under my head and gave me a big cuddle telling me it was ok i could stop now!

but I'll confess I cannot do push ups at all, not even teh easy ones, I have zero upper body strength it would seem! blush

I'm on for another one tonight -without kids to distract, but I still haven't measured, so must do that first.

I'm anti valentines these days, having got married on valentines day in 2001 and now divorced, I think I'll steer clear of big romantic gestures associated to specific dates!

eating today and enjoying fresh fruit salads.

frenchfancy Thu 14-Feb-13 11:39:51

NSV today. I put on my previously too tight jeans and realised I needed a belt. I bought a new one back in December then forgot about it, so I dug it out only to find it was too big. I had to put in TWO new holes grin.

I'm up for shredding.

mumocnk I struggle with the push-ups too. I broke my wrist last year and it still hasn't got much strength. I am just about managing the easy ones but it hurts my wrist rather than my upper body.

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 13:39:56

Hi all . sadly it doesnt look as if TIP will be back but I PMd her yesterday onthe 52fastdiet website and told her we had all gone shred mad! This was her answer:

'WELL DONE on taking up the shred - if you can do it while fasting the weight will fall of and you'll look lean and toned.'

NOW whatever I as Evil Jillian say here you now know you have to do it !! TIP says so!!

BCL hope your foot heals well,, but keep in mund all those overweight health workers as you recuperate inyour wheelchair.. Im sure you can mange to not end up like them.. just keeplookin gin here and we'' help encourage you..

Literarygeek hope feel well again also .. 'comfy' sz 10s .. are a great acheivement..

I've had several people come up to me at work recently (as their January diets havent delivered ) asking me how ive managed to get so thin and remain so (they think im Thin?!! thats a NSV in itself .smile. ive been firmly in the plump girl brigade for years) and what ive found id that they are now prepared to listen to the idea of fasting, whereas before it was 'no way' .. ( You see they see it works! and especialy when they see me tuckingi ntothe conference sarnies and cakes with no ill effect )

BTW i havent mentioned M&S Souper Green Soupf or a while !! . its fab .. only 220 cals the whole pot . i'm fasting today and thats what ive just had.. (as you know i've steadfastly continued to have two meals on fasting days.,) prawn strirfry again tomight (love it , never get bored) .

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 13:42:01

'mange to not end up like them.. just keeplookin gin here and we'' help encourage you..

Shameful typing .. sorry BCL.. but im sure you got the gist!! grin

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Feb-13 15:24:50

Ooh, got back home from a trip to town with the kids and Shred has arrived - I'd normally exercise early on a fast day but I'm just fortifying myself with rosehip tea then I'm going to kick the kids out the room and give it a whirl especially if TiP says so! gulp.

I'm going for the not-eating-tip-late fasting option today - seems to be going ok. Admittedly I did make (and drink) a rather disgusting spring greens-based juice earlier but I'm not counting that as food - more a vitamin supplement!

So many NSV! Well done everyone - especially frenchfancy going from too tight trousers to two extra holes on the belt, fab!

mumof I had a similar experience this morning - last night DH was all enthusiastic about us shredding in the morning, so I got up with DC at 6, woke DH at 7, Shred on by 7:15...cue all 4 of us in various engagements of "exercise" in the living room! DD clambered none during crunches again but we figure it's quite a good example to set to them. DS had so much fun doing star jumps he askedus to play it again when we finished!

I haven't measured either, I don't own a tape measure! But weirdly lost 3lbs over the course of yesterday's fast (having put on 1lb during fast the day before)

virginposter Thu 14-Feb-13 16:10:54

Well I will miss TiP, she was a great contributor to these mumsnet threads and always made good sense. Hope she will feel at home on the fast forum (and at least she will have some of you guys to chat with over there) smile

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Feb-13 16:13:47

Ding ding! Shredded [sweatemoticon]. I did a minute of downward dog stretch afterwards too as my calves get knotted up quite easily. My weights felt a bit heavy but I got through it and my arms definitely need the work. may have trouble pouring tea from the pot this afternoon.

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 17:13:05

Shredded! ouch muscles are sore after 4 days of it and I too am finding push ups hard, I'm only doing the easy ones and they are hard enough.. ..also today I didn't think id make it through the second lot of cardio I did! I will try and get up early tomorrow so I can do it again before I hit the road in the morning for my weekend away that means I will only miss one day which is good because I think if I miss any more ill be back to square one on the muscle pain front, but one day off I hope will be fine..)

someone volunteer to be Evil Jillian until Monday?

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 17:15:51

ATB great that your DH is keen to do it (as well as the kids) does he fast too? .. Mine would just laugh.. luckily he works away all week, so ill only have to brave it at weekends !

frenchfancy Thu 14-Feb-13 17:57:37

Shredded. Not sure it is getting easier TBH, I almost gave up but worked through it. I think the calf pain might come for the jump rope, that is certainly where they were hurting today.

WI tomorrow - fingers crossed.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 14-Feb-13 18:01:17

Great re all the NSV. Shame about tip.

Ok I really regret not measuring my waist before I started, would anyone know if I can work it out retrospectively? I'm now a 37inch but size 12 m&s which says 29. I was when I started size 18 m&s which says 35. I'm confused.......

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 18:17:44

aftereights do you still have top or dress ( or trousers even )that were snug at your natural waist when you started? if so measure that! .I dont think waist sizes on lables are that helpful tbh

Don't the waist on some trousers actually mean hips as jeans etc are often work lower than the waist?

me me ill be Jillian for the weekend felt good doing Shred today so I'm gonna lead the pack til Laska returns - but then you are totally back in charge. I'm also doing a 50mile training ride Sunday so I will be HARDCORE

I miss TiP

I actually for the first time found the easy press ups ok....DH really struggled though today

He doesn't fast, but he's tall and skinny and rarely eats before about 11am most days anyway, he's getting a bit of a tummy and slight love handles so wants to tone up I think

Bordercollielover Thu 14-Feb-13 19:13:02

I did indeed get the gist and wouldn't say no to the gin anyway! Thankyou all for encouragement. I will probably be off work for about 10 weeks, my aim is to keep up the 4:3 and perhaps lose another stone in that time, that will shock them all!
I find the old thread too big now and the Fast Diet one somehow too public so I will just look in on this one and hope that if there is new scientific evidence someone on here will link to it. For the rest I think I know what I am doing now though I shall have to tackle the exercise issue or I will be the only flabby one left of the original crew!! I am enjoying the upper body exercise of the wheelchair for now and am thinking of a rowing boat for the summer...........
Presumably our lost member will reappear in another guise? We would only need a few clues to recognise her!!

Bordercollielover Thu 14-Feb-13 19:17:51

Oops I was replying to Laska but took so long to do it that a whole page has appeared since so makes no sense at all.

Good plan BCL, do you have another stone to loose anyway?

Breadandwine Thu 14-Feb-13 21:50:07

Laska this thread on the FD forum could do with some input from you:

www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1074&view=unread#unread

Have a look and see what you think.

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 22:22:58

Heads up Shredders!! .. we are about to have a new recruit to this thread who has been doing it for about 18 months!! .. Quick !! Pretend we know what we are doing ! wink (she'll be here soon!)

oh hello prettymaids .... smile

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 22:25:18

thanks B&W will have to be next week now.. have Pm'd you re possibly needing to do the other thread over the weekend when greeneggs (and I'm) away

GiraffesEatPineapples Thu 14-Feb-13 22:28:33

(pokes head in, checks Evil Jillian isn't around) I didn't excersise today. Feel really bad about it actually which is weird!

What about slendertone BCL or one of those weird vibrating machines they sell on ideal world?

Americas well done, I am loving the family that shreds together ethos! 50 mile training blimey shock

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 14-Feb-13 22:29:23

Hasn't thought of that laska will certainly have a go at measuring tomorrow. Have a great time when you are away.

Skinnyeye Thu 14-Feb-13 22:31:43

Hi Losers,
Room for a littler un here? I'm not quite at maintenance levels yet mostly because I have lowered the target. I can't keep up with the other thread and miss you guys sad

Marking my place and have some back reading to do

GiraffesEatPineapples Thu 14-Feb-13 22:34:39

Hi Skinnyeye I am nowhere near target...Its not very safe here we have been infected with 30dayshred

Laska42 Thu 14-Feb-13 22:37:31

I can see you giraffes you get the bear.. Evil Jillian

grin

Skinnyeye Thu 14-Feb-13 22:39:10

Oh dear I missed the start lol!! I'm doing C25K week 4 at the moment and running a 10K in May. May get around to shred one day and as I live in a flat I'm sure my downstairs neighbour will really appreciate that.

GiraffesEatPineapples Thu 14-Feb-13 22:43:56

runs and hides - not the bear

Breadandwine Thu 14-Feb-13 23:27:35

Have responded, Laska

NatashaMousse Fri 15-Feb-13 00:24:22

All this Shred talk has got me curious. Although I'm happy with my exercise regimen and may well stick with it, I think I'll have to borrow the Shred video and check it out.

Everything I've heard (and experienced) about intense workouts, as Shred appears to be, suggests that they should not be done every day, because the muscles need time for repair, as I think someone above mentioned. Seems to me that 3 days a week of Shred, alternating with days of a stretching routine, and maybe one day a week off would be the way to go.

That's interesting Natasha and thank god in that case. Think I'll just listen to my body and do what it tells me...

Welcome skinnyeye! No, it's not safe at all, but easier to keep up - what's your new target? I think these a few of us cheating and posting on this thread despite not yet maintaining

Ezzza Fri 15-Feb-13 06:22:48

Marking place... still lurking!

Well done all you shredders! I can do a grand total of one girly press-up. blush So maybe the shred is not for me until I can manage a bit more.

Laska42 Fri 15-Feb-13 06:52:38

re: stretching and 30 day shred : prettymaids and Snowkeyand skinnyeye over on the main thread have posted this advice and I think its pretty good. (especially for people like me not that used to exercising)

Prettymaids: One initial tip to maybe pass on if you get chance is the reason everyone's calf muscles are aching is most likely because the warm up is short. I have no problem with that at all but with all the high impact jumping around doing star jumps and jump rope your calves really need a little help. When you are doing your arm crosses and the like in the warm up try adding a few gentle calf raises. That should do the trick, it works for me

Snowkey:
I think Jillians stretching is much too brief in the The Shred, I was a bit shock at their brevity], am also a bit hmm at the suggestion that people do it for 30 days in a row, muscles need rest days, especially when they are not used to working so hard - that was apparently something she had forced upon her - she gets more thorough in her subsequent exercise vids like "Ripped in 30" with better stretching and reduced recommended frequency.

Skinnyeye:
'More mature muscles older need to be treated with a little extra care with regard to stretching, be careful'.

im up early but NOT doing it this morning bear as leg muscles really sore this so morning will be doing some yoga stretches instead ..

Have a great weekend.. and perhaps (as said advice) give yourself a day off.. But better ok it with your weekend Evil Jillian ATB first!! grin

Prettymaidsallinarow Fri 15-Feb-13 08:21:36

I'm here grin....I mentioned on the other thread that in her other more recent DVD Ripped in 30 which is excellent by the way, she says to do it 6 days a week. Can't remember if she says the same on the intro to shred but will check it out later tonight. Seriously though you will be amazed how much you improve in a short space of time.
A little tip is to add a few gentle calf raises when you are doing the arm crosses etc during the warm up, that will probably sort out the aches which will probably be due to the star jumps, jump rope. She isn't a fan of static stretches on cold muscles as that is when you have more chance of a pull but a calf raise should be ok. Good luck to all shredders today wink

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Feb-13 08:32:36

Evil Jillian(s), I'm going to take on board the advice above and not Shred everyday, I have an (intermittently) good exercise regime already and like to mix it up so I'll be aiming for a couple of Shreds per week (with added warm up & stretches), plus a run, plus a long yoga session (plus my usual getting-around-the-place cycling). Phew, sounds optimistic actually! I'm pleased to report I only ache in one place - upper chest by my armpits - think it was the lying down chest press with weights thing, not an exercise I've done for years!

Bordercollielover Fri 15-Feb-13 08:42:03

Yes America I do have another stone to lose so probably shouldn't be on this thread but I am still interested in the shared opinions of the people who have been doing 5:2 for several months so don't want to be on the old thread which suddenly got swamped by people who haven't followed up yet on reading the research etc.
By the time I am out of the wheelchair there should be evidence of whether the Shredding is a good idea!

Fillybuster Fri 15-Feb-13 11:36:23

<pops head around door>

May I join in here please? I know I've only been IFing since the begining of January, but I'm within 2-3lbs of target, have done almost all my homework and am struggling to find motivation and occasional support on the 5:2 thread (which has been utterly swamped the past few weeks....)

I promise to behave and try to avoid asking stupid questions smile I'm really interested in continuing with IF as a proper WOL, not a diet and am getting tired of answering 'can I eat breakfast/lunch/dinner/the whole blinking fridge?' questions daily...! grin

Fillybuster Fri 15-Feb-13 11:39:27

I've been using my Xbox Kinect (thank you MN product trials smile ) do so some great workouts - it's got everything broken down by body part (abs, arms etc) but also boxercise, bollywood dance, cardio classes at all levels. Haven't tried shred yet but.... <eyes mammoth pile of Shred dvds left by dsis before she headed off to Burma last month and ponders....>

catsrus Fri 15-Feb-13 11:59:13

welcome filly - but oh <sigh> another exerciser !

I have zero motivation for it - not even going to do a long walk today as moving too much makes me feel queasy. Stupidly had too much wine last night - I just can't take it anymore, should have switched to brew after the first bottle was finished sad. Am hitting the carbs today to settle my stomach - can I resist the panettone left over (untouched) from Xmas? do I want to resist? wouldn't this be a good use of it? - medicinal!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 15-Feb-13 12:15:40

catsrus I know how you feel!

laska thanks for the idea of measuring my old trousers waist was 42 inches. I've just compared them to my size 12 that I'm in now & I cannot believe the difference! I was going to get rid of my big clothes but I think I may keep a couple just to see how far I've come.

Just had a friend pop over & she told me I looked fantastic! Yay.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 15-Feb-13 12:16:51

Oh & catsrus I don't exercise. I think its a swear word. grin

ThinkICan Fri 15-Feb-13 13:45:25

Just posted this on our regular thread. For those who have reached a plateau:
The body has set points in weight which it strives to defend. This happens when you've lost 10% of your weight. You need to give it a break for 2 - 3 months, then restart your diet. And you will lose another 10%. Exercise is vital to lower your set point, esp of the larger muscles, also add intense bursts or sprints to jog your body out of exercise that it has become used to. Don't lower your calories further, for you won't lose anything that way. I plateaued when I reached 10% weight loss and have been reducing calories further with no success for 50 days now and getting ready to throw up my hands. So I think there might be truth in this. A research thread too here: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/127/9/1875S.full

catsrus Fri 15-Feb-13 15:01:44

the panettone was nice blush

still feel a bit <bleugh> though - lol aftereight ATM is really is a swear word for me, once upon a time, in 200, I used to go to the gym and enjoy it.... so who knows.

frenchfancy Fri 15-Feb-13 16:52:36

No shredding for me today. I've just been for a run (c25k wk5 r2) and tonight I'm going out to the Ballet (get me!) so I need to go and get ready.

V. excited grin

virginposter Fri 15-Feb-13 16:52:51

Still doing 4:3 hoping to shift these last 5lbs and become an 'official' maintainer. Eating day today and friends took us out for lunch as a thank you and said have anything you like. So, I had a wonderful homemade burger with gerkins, mayo and bun with chunky chips of which I've never seen the like. They were very chunky but at the same time light and fluffy on the inside but the crispy outside was almost like a very fine batter - devine.

Well, I immediately took half the bun and put it to one side as my idea was that if I was going to leave anything it would be the bun, and then I tucked in. I was really hungry as yesterday was a fast day and I didn't have any breakfast this morning as I knew I was out to lunch.
About three quarters of the way into my meal I realised I was starting to feel full but I still had about 7 chips left and a little burger and salad so now it was decision time. The chips were calling me but my tummy was saying 'you don't want that horrible over-full feeling do you'. So I finished two bites of the burger and quickly asked my friend and DH if they wanted the chips - phew, crisis averted, everyone happy and my tummy nicely full.

Desert - no way, just black coffee and felt proud of myself for going with my full feelings and not being greedy and scoffing the lot grin

Well done virginposter! I think I'm finally starting to listen to my body in a similar way again. When I first started this WOE the overall change in my attitude and approach to food was huge but then I lost it and have struggled to get it back, but yesterday was the first non fast day I actually paid attention to my body until I sank a bottle of prosecco with DH and gobbled a LOT of churros y chocolate

Interesting conversations about ADShredding, makes sense for recovery I think. I'm failing as Jillian as I had to quit Shred halfway through today due to clingy DD, I'll do it when she naps later instead.

Ooooh frenchfancy ballet?!

BCL i still have 10lbs to lose to target as well...

frenchfancy Sat 16-Feb-13 07:48:56

The ballet was lovely. Swan Lake by the St Petersbourg Ballet. They are doing a tour of France and had one night an hour from here. We bought tickets for Dd1 for xmas. Dh got to stay at home and look after dd3.

Another nsv (which is a good job as I'm not having any sv) I could decide what to wear ad most of my clothes don't fit anymore. In desperation I pullef out a dress I haven't worn for about 16 years. One of the only thingd I have kept since pre dc. It is a small size 12. It fits grin in fact it is a little loose across the hips.

frenchfancy Sat 16-Feb-13 07:50:06

sorry for typos - new phone blush

virginposter Sat 16-Feb-13 08:00:42

french Isn't it a wonderful feeling when that happens - well done!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 16-Feb-13 08:47:02

french that's fantastic.

Skinnyeye Sat 16-Feb-13 09:42:39

Morning maintainers,
America I still have 3 lbs to get down to original target of 10 stones but now realise that I have a bit more to lose so have a revised target of 9 and a half. I am just now on the threshhold of a healthy weight for the first time in years and have moved down from the obese in September. The weight loss has been remarkable but its the other benefits that encourage me to follow this WOE. My life has totally changed and I have never felt better grin

Non fast and non run day today and the first dry weekend day in ages. Heading out for a cycle. Enjoy your day whatever you are doing

BetsyVanBell Sat 16-Feb-13 10:31:38

Anyone Shreding today? Just done my session [smugface], DH said "you look like you've had a workout" as I appeared in the kitchen dripping a trail of sweat... I'm trying to convince him to do it too, already got him happily fasting - I don't think we could do it at the same time on grounds of space and I've only got one mat and one set of weights!

I put some real effort into the lunges today - by the time I was on the last couple of side lunges & arm lifts I was starting to howl from the effort - love it! [gluttonforpunishmentface].

I took prettymaids' advice and did some calf lifts and attempted some toe lifts(?) too (where you rock back on your heels after a calf lift and raise your toes) - I do this as a yoga warm up on cold muscles so should be ok. Would have been amusing to watch as it made me a bit wobbly trying to co-ordinate it with arm swinging blush.

I bought some blood oranges yesterday thinking I might try that cake again with a modified recipe but on reflection I think this weekend baking regime is setting me up for sugar cravings during the week so I think I might just eat the lovely things instead. I have a history of unpleasant sugar addiction which has been nicely under control for a while but would rather avoid the stuff as much as possible really.

Ooh, just remembered, I made cranberry oatcakes over Christmas which were delightful and pretty healthy, I've got all the ingredients, maybe I'll do those for my baking fix.

frenchfancy Sat 16-Feb-13 10:36:17

Well done betsy I'll shred later I promise. I need to exercise the horse first though.

Prettymaidsallinarow Sat 16-Feb-13 12:05:08

Just about to shred, watched the intro for the first time in ages and she doesn't say anything about having a day off like she does in her more recent Ripped in 30 DVD. I would thoroughly recommend having at least one day off and for those of you going for every other day that will be absolutely fine too smile
I also agree with everyone who recommends mixing it up with other things like running, cycling, walking etc. All good stuff and exactly what I do. I also use a lot of other DVDs when I can't get out to do my favourite exercise which is early morning fell running grin

I just realised the yesterday it's actually 2 and a half years since I started shreddingshock
Good luck to all shredders and fasters today smile

Prettymaidsallinarow Sat 16-Feb-13 12:10:01

Well done Betsy, it's just the best feeling isn't it? Oh well, evil Jillian is calling me, better get going.........

welshmill Sat 16-Feb-13 12:54:00

catsrus another non-exerciser here (apart from walking the dog every day). I'm 45 (soon to be 46) have a dodgy knee and a chronic bad shoulder (shortened tendons or something - work related) so all that arm waving is out of the question or I'd end up a cripple. I even did yoga a few years ago and managed to pop a rib out in my back blush.

frenchfancy Sat 16-Feb-13 15:09:15

I've realised I really need to buy some new clothes. I've dropped 2 dress sizes and have very little that still fits me. I live in jeans and t-shirts most of the time so I can get away with it, but it isn't really flattering my new shape.

So what basics do I need? Its been a while since I have updated my wardrobe so I need help. I'm going to post this on style too (gulp - don't normally go near that part of MN, I hope they are kind).

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 16-Feb-13 15:11:44

franchfancy well done thats amazing, glad you had a lovely evening smile

prettymaids thanks for tips, cant believe you have been shreding for so long!What are calf raisers btw?

Ouch welshmill walking dog is good excersise though.

well done betsy!

I have shreded today! Also put on zumba for the wii which i have had unopened for a year or so! very embarrasing but quite fun and the children loved it (my youngest is unimpressed by lack of attention though) I did the easiest work out and app burned 189 cals! I would say avoid if your worried about injuries but it didn't hurt my knees so thats good. I def couldnt do a zumba class though/

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 16-Feb-13 15:13:06

Skinny jeans french fancy?! Have fun experimenting grin

frenchfancy it must feel amazing to write that post, well done! Def skinny jeans, and those oversize jumpers that only look good if you're slim. I have a wish list in my head which includes a proper bodycon dress once I hit the shape the I want

Oh I'm a terrible Jillian replacement for Laska, I blame the 8 hour time difference, sounds like most people don't need the extra kicking to be motivated to Shred! I did a hardcore power yoga workout last night and am going to Shred when DD naps, it's impossible with her around

Fasting today, we're going to a friends for taco dinner though that's mainly for the children so I'll just have to decline.

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 16-Feb-13 17:00:41

Just chuck some pom bears around ATB [ bear ] (without spaces) I am still not using weights ... need a kick for that!

Defo hard to excersise with littlies, my older 2 love it and try to do crunches but my youngest tries to cuddle me...

Have eaten all my cals today fingers crossed I can stick to herbal tea and have a good no eating fast if sat night doesn't get in the way

frenchfancy Sat 16-Feb-13 17:29:07

I'm shredded. The second half is getting easier, but the first half still kills me.

Pizza tonight, and according to MFP I still have 1866 cals to play with today So that will be wine with the pizza and chocolate after grin (I only normally have 2 squares of lindt caramel and sea salt which is only just over 100 cals)

Prettymaidsallinarow Sat 16-Feb-13 18:22:03

giraffes, calf raises are basically where you stand on your tip toes and give your calf muscles a gentle stretch. I recommended it as some shredders were saying their calves were sore, it's a gentle stretch you can add in when you are doing your arm crosses etc wink yes def get some weights, you will burn more fat. Get some of the ones that you can increase if you can, or those that come in three sets.

I did level two today which I think I some respects is a little harder than level three. Don't be scared though, it's not much harder than level one, it's just a little different. I sometimes do a 50 odd minute workout and do both level 1 followed by level 2 or level 2 followed by 3 but I've been doing shred and other exercise for ages.
I have loads of advice if you need it when you get there smile

french, what a dilemma, NOT grin How fantastic for you. How much have you lost remind me?

Snowkey Sat 16-Feb-13 18:28:39

I have never had only 2 squares of sea salt Green & Blacks, it's just too nice blush

literarygeek Sat 16-Feb-13 18:48:59

french ooh how exciting.

Depends on your shape but:

1. Agree with good pair of skinnies
2. Some tapered leg trousers such as these
3. A smart-casual wrap dress, like:this
4. A chic blazer such as this one
5. A silk tee, eg this one
6. A smart shirt like this one

catsrus Sat 16-Feb-13 19:18:04

french in all seriousness hit the charity shops grin I have some fab skinny jeans (2pairs) for £3 a pair and a great new jacket for £7. East have an online sale ATM with some stuff at 70% off .... I'm being brave (because it's cheap) and buying styles that are a bit daring for me and in pattern too, not the usual solid colours black. If I don't feel comfortable in them - they can go back to the charity shop. I feel I need to learn a new way of dressing now too but am trying not to make expensive mistakes.

catsrus Sat 16-Feb-13 19:25:38

literarygeek some dangerous links you posted there grin love the blazer!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 16-Feb-13 19:51:38

I love the phase 8 dress. I may have to go & buy it.

Skinnyeye Sat 16-Feb-13 20:38:53

Back home dried out and defrosted grin promised dry day failed to materialise and cycled 23.5 miles up Loch Lomond side and back in horizontal rain. Missed the train home so had to go for a few beers to wait until the next one

Breadandwine Sat 16-Feb-13 22:14:16

Oh, Skinnyeye, what a bummer!

As a former cyclist myself I was thinking of you today - the weather has been glorious here in the SW.

Still, hope the beer made up for it! smile

Well done though skinnyeye, I have a 50mile ride to Malibu and back tomorrow - which I CAN'T get out of because I have totally failed my fast today. It's only 2:30 and I've eaten 6 rich tea biscuits, 2 bourbon biscuits and a big bar of dairy milk. The sooner the British treats are gone from our house the better...

frenchfancy Sun 17-Feb-13 07:01:22

Thank you LG that is exactly the kind of help I need. Those jeans are nice and that dress is gorgeous (but unfortunately it is in the sales and they only have a size 20 angry )

I am an hourglass shape, currently 37",29",37". This tend to put me top heavy in most clothes so I'm now a 10-12 in bottoms but a 12-14 in tops.

Did you see that size 10! I haven't seen one of those since I got married 19 years ago smile

BetsyVanBell Sun 17-Feb-13 10:22:37

FF exciting! Just try on masses of stuff and see where your fancy takes you!

No Shred for me today - have just done an hour of Yoga to stretch out all those muscles Jillian's pounded! Having been to lots of different types of yoga classes in the past, and not having found one at the time or locality I prefer (plus being on a tight budget) I'm now using Tara Lee's Element's of Yoga dvd - it's quite dynamic between poses so if you're not used to it it's quite a work out and definitely helps with core strengthening.

50 mile bike ride!! Jeepers ATB - how long does that take?

frenchfancy Sun 17-Feb-13 11:38:06

I'd love to try on loads. Unfortunately the shops here are fairly rubbish so I'm going to take advantage of my trip to the UK next week to shop in the west end - with all three DDs in tow. So lots of trying on may not be possible.

I do need one dress for the party I'm going to so I thought I might order a couple to be at my friends house when we arrive so I can take them back if they are no good. What do you think of these?

www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_028020864560_-1

www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_58607+2334357870_-1

www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_028020861144_-1

www.johnlewis.com/collection-by-john-lewis-wrap-dress-navy-olive/p332127

www.johnlewis.com/kaliko-hydrangea-dress-teal-multi/p388301

I'm 41, I don't want to look like mutton dressed as lamb but I don't want to look like my mother either.

Prettymaidsallinarow Sun 17-Feb-13 11:49:17

french the first three are particularly gorgeous smile

frenchfancy Sun 17-Feb-13 12:25:51
BetsyVanBell Sun 17-Feb-13 12:48:43

FF Those wrap style dresses/tops will look stunning with your hourglass shape - as long as you don't mind a lot of attention, especially on the boobs!

BetsyVanBell Sun 17-Feb-13 12:51:47

FF another thought - ebay is a good place to get stuff cheaply - so less of a commitment if you're not sure, and you can always sell it again if you change your mind! While my shape is changing I'm buying inexpensively for the interim sizes [HopeI'mNotBeingTooOptimisitcFace]

Bordercollielover Sun 17-Feb-13 13:14:53

Interesting blog in Scientific American from August 2012 called The Hidden Truth About Calories. There is nothing in it to affect what we are doing but adds some interesting knowledge.
Does anyone know how to insert a link on here when using an iPad?

Bordercollielover Sun 17-Feb-13 13:20:35

After8s how are you feeling after your recent surgery? I am finding recovery etc much better at my current lower weight than last operation.

Prettymaidsallinarow Sun 17-Feb-13 13:34:26

french all gorgeous, love the tops and. Particularly like the sleeves on the black dresssmile

frenchfancy Sun 17-Feb-13 13:35:17

Thanks Betsy I don't mind the attention, some people pay good money for these boobs! (in fact a friend of mine has just had hers surgically reduced by 2 sizes, something I have managed to do just by 5:2, I think I am now a respectable 34DD/E rather than an inflated 34 F/G)

Good idea re ebay, I'm off to have a look.

Breadandwine Sun 17-Feb-13 14:07:37
Bordercollielover Sun 17-Feb-13 14:30:18

Yes, thanks B&W, that's the one.

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 17-Feb-13 15:10:31

Interesting article bcl and bandw it could explain though why some people are less successful on this woe, someone eating processed food Wii be taking in more calories than someone eating raw or home made food even thigh on my fitness pal it might appear that they are consuming the same calories.

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 17-Feb-13 15:17:44

No shred bear but went on dps cross trainer. The last tune I tried before this woe it hurt my knees too much but today only a slight bag near the end. Wonder if its just a coincidence?

Doing my first back to back fast today but not many cals left for dinner

french we are going to Paris in 3 months, I hope I can be in a similar position to you looking for a new wardrobe!

Iwearblack Sun 17-Feb-13 15:23:25

Good article thanks for posting. A very good justification for home cooking and leaving the processed dinners behind. I like the idea of having something in your diet to feed your gut bacteria and keep them healthy - healthy guts is the road to happiness!

frenchfancy Sun 17-Feb-13 15:41:10

You should be able to in 3 months giraffes. I love Paris.

No shred today but I did do my C25K wk5 r3 as well as an hours horse riding.

Thanks to betsy I've spent the afternoon on e-bay grin

Breadandwine Sun 17-Feb-13 17:25:37

There's a mention in the article about Dr Robert Lustig; in his film, The Bitter Truth (link on the T&P thread), he is very vocal that 'A calorie is not always a calorie'!

Calories from High Fructose Corn Syrup (which is in every-bloody-thing) are in a different league entirely from calories from fresh food. The fact that HFCS is taken in by the body without it registering hunger, for instance. If you haven't yet seen the film, you simply must!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 17-Feb-13 19:20:38

A very interesting article. If I remember correctly eating celery uses more calories in digestion than in the actual celery.

Thanks bcl feeling much better & yes was easier to recover when not as heavy. & all my results were negative so very pleased.

ff enjoy your shopping spree.

Aw lovely clothes FF, how much fun - I miss my 34DD boobs so much. Apparently they're now 34C/D but post bf two children they're so empty and saggy I feel like there's nothing there sad

Interesting article - I tend to cook from scratch anyway but have consumed a lot of chocolate on non fast days recently. Scales have just oscillated recently so I'm dropping from ADF to 4:3, as that worked before.

50 miles was HARD! I've never cycled that far only life but quite chuffed that including some rest stops and a few effing big hills I did it in just over 3hours.

Still terrified of doing 545miles in a week though, but had a few donations to my fundraising effort today which makes it all worth it. No shred for me today but I might attempt a low intensity version tomorrow to stop my muscles seizing up after today

I’m guessing that Scientific American blog says that calories from junk food are worse than the same number of calories from real food or something along those lines. I can’t read it myself because blog sites are blocked here angry but I’d definitely agree. Those of you checking in on the main 5:2 thread will know I’ve been forced by circumstance (no access to a kitchen to cook for myself and due to Chinese new year all of the mom-and-pop restaurants have been closed) to eat junk (only the big chain junk food shops stayed open) for the last week and a half. My weight loss has completely stalled even though I’m still faithfully doing 4:3, don’t snack between meals anymore and have taken up shuffling around a running track running. The last few days I’ve also been feeling awful: low on energy, a bit down and a bit sluggish. Well yesterday the mom-and-pop places started opening up and I got to eat some real food for dinner last night. I feel much better already!

(P.S. change of name but I think you all still know who I am!)

frenchfancy Mon 18-Feb-13 16:16:41

Where is everyone today? I'm shredding are you?

Vegetarian shepherds pie for dinner. Modified recipe so it comes in at 450 cals smile

BetsyVanBell Mon 18-Feb-13 16:30:04

Not shredding today sad Having a hard fast day today, partly I think because I ache in such odd places! Telling myself through gritted teeth it's all worth it...

Will shred tomorrow though, definitely.

frenchfancy Mon 18-Feb-13 17:21:17

I'm shredded. Come one where are the rest of you. Those abs won't tighten themselves [evil jillian emoticon]

Skinnyeye Mon 18-Feb-13 17:52:45

I'm playing badminton - no shred for me lol

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 18-Feb-13 18:06:40

Evil Jillians I have shredded with weights today, then did Wii zumba and only the slightest ache in knee (being reasonably careful) grin. On day 3 of a fast and today has been easy as busy with children and saved exercise for late in day.

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 18-Feb-13 18:09:12

Well done * atd* that is truly amazing! Andezza glad you have had some proper food and felling good again

Laska42 Mon 18-Feb-13 18:18:53

Hi all I'm getting the big bear today and haven't even attempted fasting either...
No I've not lost my commitment..but I had a great eating and drinking weekend away and today I had a job interview (but didn't get it sad ).... Aw well, so drowning sorrows (and at least I do have a job)

Laska42 Mon 18-Feb-13 18:21:25

Giraffes you have fasted for 3 days in a row?

literarygeek Mon 18-Feb-13 18:35:33

laska sorry about that- their loss!

I have a little confession to make - all this shred talk has inspired me to join you- I was feeling a bit left out!

frenchfancy Mon 18-Feb-13 18:36:23

Are you going all hard core on us Giraffes?

Laska42 Mon 18-Feb-13 18:51:15

Aha! Literary couldn't resist the lure of buns of steel eh? grin

Yes their loss , but they did tell me they had 135 applicants and only interviewed 5 so that was pretty good .. it seems like I failed on the test a bit, .. was far too detailed in one area and not enough in another .. (I knew it, but its so hard to do get it all down in 30 mins I always find)..

Some possible TIP news? [http://www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=948&p=8656#p8656 look] so fingers crossed..

I've eaten LOADS this evening (has a bit of a binge really - ham, pickle cheese , crumpets with butter , some cold dhal out the bottom of the pan from last night which i couldnt just chuck) ..and wine and feeling a bit bleugh now

Laska42 Mon 18-Feb-13 18:53:16

sorry ill do that link to TIP again look

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 18-Feb-13 19:13:31

Reading between the lines whoop and fingers crossed!

Thought I would give myself a challenge with 3 days, funnily I got that old funny taste in my mouth today. it has been easy today otherwise I would have quit. Not fasting for the rest of the week I think.

Laska42 Mon 18-Feb-13 19:52:17

Wow giraffes have you been on 500 cals a day or just tea/water?

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 18-Feb-13 19:59:51

500 a day, def not that hardcore!

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 18-Feb-13 20:03:33

Yes I have been having 500 Cal a day not just water but did manage 22 hours today with drinks with skimmed milk. Next week I might try 5 2 but with one 24 hour fast with herbal tea and no calories.

Breadandwine Mon 18-Feb-13 22:40:01

I don't dislike many people - mostly I just try and avoid anyone I don't get on with.

However, I am beginning to take a growing dislike to Kate Harrison!

This in a two page spread in the Daily Mirror:

Reporter Steve Myall:
"She's master-minded the feast-and-fast plan that's helping thousands of people to lose weight easily...It wasn't until she came up with this revolutionary way to shed the pounds..."

"It has been the thing I have done in my life I am most proud of," she said.

No mention of Mike Mosley - or of any of his researcher/scientist colleagues. No reference to any research - nothing, zero, zilch!

Horizon? Well there was this, "...Then last year Kate caught a BBC Horizon programme about the concept of fasting to lose weight and the germ of an idea for a new diet plan began to grow." And that's it!

OK, I can recognise a reporter's hyperbole - but the article would have lost nothing by giving credit where it's due. And I suppose it's good that the 5:2 regime is gaining wider currency.

But still, I'm not a happy bunny! angry angry angry

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 18-Feb-13 23:08:00

Why would the paper want to give her credit for 5:2? How has that happened! confused

virginposter Mon 18-Feb-13 23:21:20

b&w couldn't agree more, she 'watched Horizon' then had a gem of an idea' hmmmm. Wonder what DR MM would think if he saw that article?

Breadandwine Tue 19-Feb-13 00:01:57

Her book is being sort of serialised by the Mirror. But from what I read, it's pretty appalling. here's an extract from part two I found on the net:

"Then on your five feast days you can eat normally – around 2,000 calories if you are a woman, 2,500 for blokes. After fasting, it will feel like a feast.

And with these secrets to turbo-charging the diet, you can shift even more ­– up to 5lb a week"

It's pretty pathetic, really.

If you're interested, here's the link:

www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/dieting/52-diet-kate-harrison-part-1713406

ThinkICan Tue 19-Feb-13 01:41:27

Good news Laska. Hope she's back soon.

NatashaMousse Tue 19-Feb-13 02:34:38

"It's pretty pathetic, really."

That's the way I feel about all the attempts to commercialize any of the variants of this regimen, including the "official" 5:2 website, which doesn't have much to offer . . . although I'm happy to cut MM some slack because he deserves credit for bringing the concept and some of the research to the public eye, particularly the work of Krista Varady, which is really the basis of the 5:2 method that's become so popular.

It's simple. Watch the Horizon presentation (or read an article about it). Grasp the principle. Apply the principle. That's it. Answers to questions for which there are answers can be found with a bit of searching.

IF has been around for a long while, millenia in fact, albeit often for reasons other than weight loss. There are lots of sites where IF has been explored for years, and these MN threads provide a wealth of information and support. All of this long before Kate Harrison.

NatashaMousse Tue 19-Feb-13 02:56:41

Furthermore, also preceding Harrison et al. is our own B&W, who's been IF-ing for over a year and did very well months before the Horizon broadcast. A great example of taking an idea, applying it, observing, experimenting and tweaking ... and then sharing the experience with others.

BetsyVanBell Tue 19-Feb-13 08:20:12

The difference is that B&W isn't trying to make money off it... sells papers, sells books (sells dvdd, sells fasting products etc etc) - it's the world we live in. It's why I love the internets, full of people who want to help & support others without trying to make personal financial gains. It's possible (though maybe not likely) that Harrison does credit Mosley but why would Mirror (or her publishers) mention that - they're not going to capitalise off publicising his book.

ATB Jaw drops - I cycle all the time but I've never attempted a long distance thing (scary roads outside my immediate vicinity!) very very impressed.

Right, I'm Shredding today - I've got the appropriate kit on and will go for it once I've come back from the school run (sometimes that's literal - my kids are fast!) I'm hoping I've had a light enough breakfast not to hurl it back up mid-squat! I'd normally avoid brekkie before a morning session but yesterday's fast was a tough one for me and I had to break this morning (not before a very positive weigh-in grin).

frenchfancy Tue 19-Feb-13 08:28:10

I need a stiff talking to. Despite having lots of NSVs lately the scales are refusing to budge, or rather they are moving but in the wrong direction sad .

It has been 3 or 4 weeks now that they haven't moved. I hit normal BMI and then stayed right there on the barrier. I know it isn't the end of the world, I know I should just throw the scales out. I've done everything I can, my diet is great, I haven't gone over my TDEE even at the weekends, I'm exercising every day.

I've just ordered some new (well new to me) clothes of e-bay which will be waiting for me when I get to the UK on Saturday, but now I'm worried they won't fit. I know it is inches that count and not lbs, I know I'm being silly, but I just needed to get that of my chest.

(5 dresses, 4 skirts and 6 tops - total £140, all coast/monsoon/phase eight for any one who is interested - thanks betsy)

frenchfancy Tue 19-Feb-13 08:29:45

Pleased you had a positive WI betsy Good luck with the shred.

I've just been on Amazon to order the 30 day Shred. I blame you lot! grin I doubt I'll do it in 30 days though.

BetsyVanBell Tue 19-Feb-13 09:01:25

FF Ooh, that's a good haul - I think we all have those anxieties about things not actually fitting when buying online! I'm sure it'll be fine.

You must be feeling very frustrated sitting there on the borderline - the only thing I can think of that might help is to have a really huge gluttonous, fatty lunch one day - in the past I've found that a big pork roast at the in-laws', with plenty of crackling, has kickstarted weightloss when the scales have frozen. Just did a quick google such for such a thing ("eating fat to burn fat") and there's a lot of body builder type blogs that discuss it - given that you're of the super-fit variety of human it might be worth a try (could be fun too!). I think it needs to be fat not carbs for it to work, though I've never been shy of a roast potato or indeed a crumble and ice cream pudding on those Sunday lunches. I wouldn't then eat anything else all day.

I'm sure there's some science about it somewhere but I've got some Shredding to do!

frenchfancy Tue 19-Feb-13 09:24:36

Thanks betsy I'm sure there will be a lot of that type of eating during my trip, I just need to make sure it isn't accompanied by lots of alcohol smile And thanks for calling me a "super-fit variety of human" that put a smile on my face. (you wouldn't say that if you saw me running or heard me grunting whilst doing my abs!)

Well done Ezzza I won't do it in 30 days either as I'm alternating with C25K.

BetsyVanBell Tue 19-Feb-13 09:55:50

I won't do it in 30 days either Ezza because I'll be alternating it with sitting on my fat arse doing other things. Aiming for 3 sessions per week or 2 shreds 1 run plus a big yoga session each week too - stretch out those pained muscles. Recovery time is highly important anyway [petulantface}

FF I was pleased to have the house to myself this morning - some colourful swears emitted - it's the arm lifts combined with side squats that get me!

Shredded (3rd session, level 1), now need to shower!

SpiralSkies Tue 19-Feb-13 10:29:58

Smiling at all the Shredding going on here - I've been on it too (well, actually I'm on Ripped in 30 just for a change) and definitely feeling it! Can't believe how 20 mins of anything can make me seize up so much. S'pose it shows it's doing something.

FF I am totally feeling your pain - the numbers are creeping up instead of down on my scales too.

Thinking of playing around with the fasting malarkey to mix it up a bit - did a 20-hr fast yesterday but had around 700 cals in the end. Toying with a daily 16/8 kinda thing for a week or two and eating <900 cals each day. Well, except weekends when wine will no doubt get the better of me blush

Not sure it will shake things up or finish me off but carrying on as I am is getting me nowhere. Hopefully upping the exercise will help too but otherwise I'm at a loss (or not, as the case may be). Grrrrrrr etc.

Bordercollielover Tue 19-Feb-13 11:28:29

Ff, I am sure that you have done this, but just in case you forgot: have you recalculated your TDEE and therefore your 25% to match yor current weight?

One other thought is the "set points". I think it was mentioned (Laska?) recently on this thread though I might have seen it elsewhere. It suggested that a plateau is actually a set point and you might need to wait for a while for your body to re calibrate itself to a new set point. At least I think that's what it said. I expect B&W can ferret it out for us!

frenchfancy Tue 19-Feb-13 12:22:50

Yes BC my TDEE is now 2228, down from 2374, but MFP has it as 2010 so I'm using that. I logged everything last week and was 4353 cals under the total for the week.

Laska42 Tue 19-Feb-13 13:14:20

Oh just give me a big boot up the A please.and tell me not to be so bloody pathetic . im feeling so down today ..its not getting that job and sittng inthe office here , when I just dont want to be here .. ..

supposed to be fasting today and already ive eaten 3 bits of bacon ,a small tin of tuna and some chilli prawns.. not even any healthy veg and now already on my 500

but its so pathetic .. I do have a job ..and its not a bad job .. and so many people dont ..

Fillybuster Tue 19-Feb-13 14:17:31

Just checking in....absolutely in awe of ATBs 50km bike ride (eek...!) and all the Shredders (sady, Jillian is still sitting in the corner glaring at me, unused...of which more in a moment) and slightly envious of FFs new wardrobe (isn't ebay great?!).... envy grin grin

sadly/luckily I have 2 cupboard overflowing full of small size 10 clothes from just a few years ago, pre dc3, waiting for me to climb back into them and discover they are massively out of date and need replacing ...for now I'm sticking with enjoying my 'normal' size 10 stuff finally fitting properly after over a year of either squeezing in or opting for 'looser' styles at my tom....

had some pretty awful news on Friday night....my mother had been suffering from vertigo/sickness for 2 weeks, gp had thought it might be an inner ear infection and eventually checked her into hospital friday morning to treat dehydration as she couldn't keep anything down last week....scan on Friday afternoon has shown up 2 tumours. No details yet (biopsy tomorrow), but it probably isn't great, although the rest of her body scans have come back clear....

so after a weekend dealing with that, plus holding dc2's 5th birthday party (joy) followed by a very late night on Sunday doing a cooking thing with some school mums that I couldn't get out of (not eating, just cookery demo ...but the hostess drank too much wine, forget to get started and at 11pm was still browning the chicken....)...then had to travel for work all day yesterday....so no excercise at the weekend....

Had planned to fast yesterday, but felt so worn out/sick/tired first thing I had a plain toasted bagel on the train....thought it might be a washout, then thought back to Ezzzas post on the last thread about not writing-off a day because of a bad start....reckon the bagel was about 200cals, didn't eat anything else at all, all day, then finished with a medium size serving of brown rice and small amount of the chicken/mango curry we had made the night before. Reckon it was a 900 cal day, so not a real fast, but a good way to kick start the week, and am fasting fine today, probably due to the brown rice/protein comibination last night.

Although I've hit my initial 9st 9lbs target, that was just my "I absolutely must get to at least that" aim....given its been relatively easy, I'm now going to try for 9st 7lbs....before I shift to a 6:1 maintenance.

May I stay here anyway please?

Oh Fillybuster what a weekend, and I'm so sorry about your mum. You did incredibly well not to collapse in cake and rescue a semi fast day, hope it at least aided some positivity for you.

FF I feel your pain too, scales just keep oscillating in the same 5lb area which is disheartening, but I'm pretty sure I'm way overeating in non fast days so need to take myself in hand, I'm actually bingeing which is terrible, so, start of a two day fast to try to kick start myself - I'm actually looking forward to it which shows how much I've eaten - I don't think I stopped eating since climbing off the bike!

Hope your day is getting better Laska, all starts afresh tomorrow

SpiralSkies Tue 19-Feb-13 15:08:06

Oh, Filly what dreadful news about your mother... sounds as if she's in the right place, though, and any treatment will be quick. Must be an awful worry though.

Laska Chin up girl. I bet there's another, even fabber, job just hiding behind a bush and waiting to leap out when you least suspect it.

America I'm back to reassessing things too. I guess it doesn't do us any harm to take a step back and see what's going on. Let's face it, there's usually a simple reason, even if we don't want to admit it to ourselves. But, still, meh.

Fillybuster Tue 19-Feb-13 16:02:42

Thanks.

Sorry, Laska - I meant to say that I've been through the same thing, and spent about 2 years (including whilst I was still on mat leave with dc3) looking for a new job...having interviews, doing well, just never getting as far as the offer. Like you, I was in a perfectly reasonable, well paid job, just not the one I wanted to be doing. Pretty much gave up hope and was even thinking about packing it all in and becoming a SAHM, when I got a call from a headhunter out of the blue last May, and started work for the company I have most wanted to work for, for 14 years since I left them (and they almost never recruit externally...), this December.

It will happen...just keep the faith....

frenchfancy Tue 19-Feb-13 16:43:40

Sorry to hear about your mum Filly and well done on your will power.

Laska have a kick up the bum from me. You have a job, you have a lovely GC and you are thin and healthy. Now stop moping and start shredding!

Laska42 Tue 19-Feb-13 18:08:24

Yes you are all right.. ill go Shred.. (have busted fast today though,. )

frenchfancy Tue 19-Feb-13 19:06:04

Don't worry about the fast day, you can do one another day.

I'm shredded. It is finally started to get much easier. I had a sneaky peak at level 2 and it doesn't look too scary so I might go for it at the end of the week. (i can't believe I just said that!)

Laska42 Tue 19-Feb-13 19:17:49

hmm yes.. I was thinking about level 2 also FF definitely will Sunday I think (Sundays are good days for me to fast and exercise).

Yeah its not been a great week for fasting (in fact havent managed one yet!and I now have wine ) but I might go with giraffes idea and have 500cals tomorrow and Thurs and then a lowish <1000 veggie day on friday .. I Think I can do that and then with shred will hopefully get me back on track

catsrus Tue 19-Feb-13 19:59:13

i've just had fish and chips gringringrin and am now on the wine ["not a fast day" emoticon].

I last had fish n chips years ago so this was a real treat - i love chips!

Laska42 Tue 19-Feb-13 20:18:46

ooh cats I lurrve fish and chips.. I was going to ask how you were but I can see.. you're fine!grin

Laska42 Tue 19-Feb-13 20:23:54
Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 19-Feb-13 21:35:30

laska put the fast day fail behind you.

filly sorry to hear about your mum & I'll be thinking of you both.

ff I'm plateauing at the moment & have done since Christmas though its more bouncing than plateauing till I bounce down & then stay there for a few weeks & then bounce down again.

If anyone's up I need some motivation - just logged my calories today thinking I've gone over and I am on the cusp of 500, but it's only 3:30 here and I'm very mouth hungry....feeling like a fasting failure constantly at the mo

Breadandwine Wed 20-Feb-13 00:15:47

ATB don't beat yourself up about a mythical number - you may remember I started off on 1200 cals last year! And still lost weight. Have a look at my post on the other thread and just go to plan B!

Say after me, "I am not a failure!"

Good girl! grin

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 20-Feb-13 01:38:08

Yes ATB you could still keep it as low as pos but dont count it as a fail it will still be a vlcd! if there has been something you have been wanting to eat all day but not eating maybe just eat it and then thats it for food today? Anyway you did a cycle marathon at the weekend your body probably needs the calories.

laska yes worth a try, the new 2 day diet app reccommends pushing the low cal days together as the second day makes the most of fat burning state day 1 has got your body into. Or just have a 6:1 week that will be something different for your body and might be benficial for that very reason!

filly so sorry to hear your mums not been well, must have been incredibly difficult going through that and trying to carry on as normal for your daughters party.

Thanks B&W

Just feel rubbish because I'm badly overeating on non fast days. BUT I have pushed through and just had a huge bowl of lettuce, Carrot and mint which has filled the hole, total is coming in around 600cals and DH has said we'll shred tonight when he gets in....so just the evening munchies to ignore and I'm in the home straight

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 20-Feb-13 01:39:56

PS laska I am thinking of going more low carb on fast days like you have been so successful with.

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 20-Feb-13 01:40:48

well done ATB [gin]

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 20-Feb-13 01:41:34

was supposed to be grin how many cals in a gin hmmmm

ThinkICan Wed 20-Feb-13 02:45:29

BCL and FF - I had posted about setpoint. nedic.ca/knowthefacts/documents/Setpointwhatyourbodyistryingtotellyou.pdf. Essentially, when you lose around 10% of your weight, that becomes your new set point which you should maintain for 2 to 3 months before the body is willing to let go of another 10%. But the 10% lost does oodles for your health so hang in there! It makes it easier to deal with the plateau when you know it's your body defending its well-being in a time of scarcity, as it interprets it as.

ThinkICan Wed 20-Feb-13 02:51:27

Frenchfancy - a warning. I plateaued as you did and started cutting further thinking I was doing something wrong. Till I discovered that my body is digging its heels in (ha, ha - picture that!). But in the meanwhile, my digestion sort of threw up its hands so I get a stomach ache when I eat even a full-sized meal outside in the last month. So, don't get to that state.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Wed 20-Feb-13 06:51:07

ATB I ovcasionally go up to 700 calories on a fast day I still think its better than the 1600 that's my TDEE. It's usually when it's TOTM.

Any views on whether on my fast days I should reduce my calories to 400 or is it ok to stick to 500. I'm thinking health benefits & not weight loss.

Laska42 Wed 20-Feb-13 09:07:02

Hi all, just a quick thought..planning on writing some better responses to everyone at lunch time..

BUT remember when we all started we kept reminding ourselves that we were experimenting?..

It looks like some of us are struggling here either because we are not seeing the fast weight loss now we are so close to our target weight?
or we are failing to fast when we've managed it so well before? .

I think we should just remind ourselves that we are still experimenting here , but this time with maintenance! (i think we can say even those last few pounds off is in the maintenance phase). and isn't that great compared to where we were?

FrenchFancy (and others) reminded me yesterday to remember how far I'd come in so many ways ..thanks and i'm feeling much more positive today..

so yes we are only here on this 'maintainer' thread because we've come so far.. perhaps our bodies just need to catch up with our heads a bit!

Right I am fasting today and tomorrow now , but it will be 2 days of just veggies I think.. I'm still the same weight as before the weekend (a nudge over 10st) so that's great considering the wine i've drank.. but I feel I need a couple of days of pure veg to feel healthy again..

greenfig Wed 20-Feb-13 10:01:01

Hi all
just posted on the main thread but wondering if I should join you all here?
Am not maintaining or experienced at this and would appreciate some support but only have approx 7lbs to lose, am interested in health benefits as well as weight loss. Am happy to ask my questions elsewhere if this one not for mesmile. Saw the Horizon programme on a flight to hols (gained a few lbs while away!) & skim read the book last night. Would like to give it a go, inspiring posts.

virginposter Wed 20-Feb-13 10:40:05

Yes I agree with Laska we should remember where we were when we started - myself, unhealthy, 12 st 2, size 14. Now healthy and full of energy, 10 st 4, size 10.

I've also had a blip this week on Monday (non-fast day) after normal lunch started to feel strange and then later had to make two very quick trips to the loo (I know, TMI) and therefore didn't eat anymore that day. But Tuesday was my plannned fast so I started that ok until my evening meal when I was so very hungry and went way over my 500. My tummy was now fine but I had a slight headache and was very tired so went to bed early (unheard of for me) and slept the whole night through.
I did feel disappointed in myself last night as this was the first time I had seriously mucked up a fast, but this morning I've read all your posts and now feel differently about it. I suppose we must not beat ourselves up about these small anomalies and just look at the bigger picture, after all we must have been successful in our experiment to have gotten here to the 'maintaining' threads smile

Bordercollielover Wed 20-Feb-13 13:05:42

ThinkICan, thanks for the link. I need to re read that.
Giraffes, re the 2 fasting days together, was there any scientific evidence for this? The reason I ask is because I saw some research last year that indicated that good effects on something ( I think cholesterol) are reversed again after about 30 hours of fasting; makes me wonder if there are now 2 camps developing: those who watched the programme or know about its content and have health benefits in mind as well as weightloss and those who have come to it just as a weightloss diet? I am guessing that there must be a massive amount of new research going on in this field at the moment so perhaps optimum length of fast will get clarified. Presumably Varady et al are all busy with it.

Bordercollielover Wed 20-Feb-13 13:20:43

By the way I did not mean to imply that there are 2 camps on here as everyone on this thread is well informed , but out in the world in general following the success of The Fast Diet etc

Laska42 Wed 20-Feb-13 13:25:03

Border im definately in it for the health benefits .! but thrilled with the weigt loss ..but yes of course we do need tokeep up with the science also

When we have a new thread on here i think we should definately link to the tips and links .. ( sorry nor meant to assume that it will be me doing the new thread.. of course it may not be!!

greenfig Hi ,if you are very new to this you might find some of your concerns about fasting in the first few weeks addressed more onthe other thread, but of course you are welcome to post here also.. Have you read thehints and tips thread (linked on the OP of thread 13? ).which has a lot of the science . also the TDEE stuff?..(but please do ask questions on that on the other thread if thats ok..we are on there also) Good luck with it

Thanks Laska, you're right - in the end last night I went to bed with a widge of home made Beetroot cake and no Shred with pains in my lower tummy. I've been a bit of a bitch the last 24hours too so now actually wondering if TOTM is due, which would explain the overeating!

Fasting today as planned and have the food lined up so I know exactly what I'm eating and feeling more positive. And trying to remember the health benefits too!

I've bought DH a juicer for an early birthday present, thinking of going on a 3-10 day juice fast to cleanse the system through. Anyone any experience they'd like to impart?

greenfig Wed 20-Feb-13 15:30:11

Thanks Laska

frenchfancy Wed 20-Feb-13 18:13:52

I'm shredded.

No fasting for me today so I'm of to make some mash to go with my trout, almond croissant for afters yum! (well half an almond croissant I've already had the other half because I couldn't resist blush )

Laska42 Wed 20-Feb-13 18:28:59

Filly I meant to say earlier.. my good wishes for the results of your mother's biopsy and thanks for your nice words about my snit about the job..which was so especially kind given what else you have on your mind .

keeping my fingers crossed for you and your Mum

Aftereightsarenolongermine Wed 20-Feb-13 18:49:44

laska how are you feeling today?

filly I hope the biopsy wasn't too difficult for you all.

Laska42 Wed 20-Feb-13 19:17:34

ATB I have no experience on juice fasts ,although I do have a juicer and have in the past enjoyed making my own juices (ive not been doing so since starting 5:2 )

Fruit Juices can be quite high calorie (I cant imagine anyone would just want to have vegetable juice) and I think that if you are going to eat fruit then eating the entire thing is better for you s the Pulp/Fibre helps slow the digestion helping you feel full longer and slows the blood sugar rise and insulin resistance which helps stops big swings which can lead to feeling hungry.

According to a source on the net carrot juice is 94 calories per (US) cup, apple juice is 117 per cup. So would be hard for a fast day (although of course you may not be wanting to combine the two), but I think the main problem would be the hunger swings..
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Below Ive found a few articles which may help. (but they are all negative)

Livestong
Dr John Briffa
an article about juice detox

But In the absence of TIP(who is very good on the science stuff ) ill ask (as I think she would) Why do you think this approach will help? (I also think she’d be with me on what i’ve said above) you can ask her though ..shes here

And perhaps unlike TIP... ill say .... if you want to give it a go for a few days .. then why not? But It doesn’t sound right for me and I don’t think I would in your position as I think i’d just be constantly wanting more and could see me feeling acidy and faint on this ( which I don’t on5:2),also if you are using up a lot of energy cycling.. that might not be good. But then again a few days of liquid fast might help you feel a bit better ...and you can always come back to 5:2.

Right, I read the stuff about Setpoint TIC and that very interesting..I’m wondering if that’s where I am , right now.. if so I can live with it ,as long as I can maintain for a few months.. then maybe have another push then..

I’ve gone over a bit again today (about 650) , but that not too bad .. Just off to Shred..and will put extra effort in ..maybe up the weights to my 2lbs ..I’m also finding it easier and quite looking forward to shred level 2 now ..

Laska42 Wed 20-Feb-13 19:18:52

Hi After8s much more positive thanks.. must go Shred though!

Iwearblack Wed 20-Feb-13 19:19:14

I agree not to get down if fast days are sometimes hard. That was me last Monday - I just felt hungry all day and a bit grouchy. Then was full of cold all week so maybe my body was just looking out for itself .... This week, Monday was a doddle (totm too) and on WI a full 3 lbs loss after a 4-week plateau. Hasn't it been mentioned that often hunger precedes the weight drop (*Ezzza*?)
Interestingly I have lost the magic 10% body weight so could have been another reason for plateau.... Hopefully not due another one yet!!

Bordercollielover Wed 20-Feb-13 19:35:48

The highlight from the Dr MM You and Yours programmes on exercise and 5 a day were repeated this week. Someone on there described fruit juice as "bottled obesity" so might not be the best route to go down if you have been doing 5:2 to lose weight!

Bordercollielover Wed 20-Feb-13 19:42:36

I have also lost 10% of my original bodyweight and am now stuck. But where did the 10% idea come from? It is not in the article ThinkICan linked to.

frenchfancy Wed 20-Feb-13 19:55:11

Interesting worldwide obesity map in the guardian:

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2013/feb/19/obesity-map-of-world-weight

The comments are as always worth reading.

Bordercollielover Wed 20-Feb-13 20:29:18

Wonder what they eat in the Cook Islands and Nauru? No wonder we are destroying the planet, not only far too many of us but we all appear to be eating for 2 or 3 !

Iwearblack Wed 20-Feb-13 20:59:52

Not sure where the 10% idea came from!

Hi all, haven't posted for a couple of weeks but feels like ages. Great to see so many still maintaining the lost weight and in some cases still shredding the pounds. I suppose one of the keys to this WOL is realising when you no longer need to lose weight but keeping this WOL going in one form or other to keep the health benefits. What makes it harder I think is that a lot of the motivation comes from seeing the pounds off on the scales and when that stops you need to find another 'motivator'. Yes health can be that but it's not as visible as ever decreasing waistlines.

For me things are a lot harder now than they were, concentration was always difficult on a Fasting day and a lot more of my time is now spent having to concentrate at a computer.....unfortunately sitting at a table in my kitchen........and we all no where that leads blush

Still my eating habits are much better now (ie what I eat) than they were and I'm not putting on any weight, but I definiately don't feel as healthy as I did when doing 4:3, and although I haven't put any weight on my stomach is not as flat as it was angry

BUT as I've said a hundred times before, unlike a diet this is a WOL and you can't really 'fall off' as it were.......there's just longer between Fasts wink

My aim is to get back into the swing of things from Sunday and see how things go.

Good luck to all of you out there smile

Skinnyeye Wed 20-Feb-13 21:44:48

Hi all I too seem to be on an tough bit!! Fasting has been hard but I have managed to stick it out. I'm exercising more and feeling much better than I have in years. I am back at my prechristmas weigh but cant seem to lose anymore in spite of doing 4:3, exercising at least 4 times per week and not going mad on regular eating days.

Was a little disappointed pouty last week and more that a little confused I can't seem to get past 10 stone 3 (started at 11 stone 12) and never though 10 stone anything would ever be possible

This week I'm not worried and will continue as I have been safe in the knowledge that the weight loss will start again. I seem to have got caught up in the diet mentality and forgot that we are all experimenting with lifelong way of eating. Thanks for the timely reminder Laska With all the diet hype going around at the moment I lost sight of why I'm doing this and couldn't see the benefits for the fat so to speak.

When, and if my body is ready to lose more weight I am happy to do so but not stressing about it. This time last year I was almost 12 stones and hating myself for failing on yet another diet, not feeling comfortable in my body and too scared of failure to try again. Now I love myself again and am never going back there thanks for you all. We been through a lot together and there's still a way to go grin.

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 20-Feb-13 22:00:46

well done for maintaining cyclist your right I think the weight l loss is tangible proof that something good is happening even if general health benefits were the initial goal.

I think there are quicker ways to lose weight than this to be honest, at this stage in other diets I would probably have lost twice a much weight but I am keeping with this because it may have extra unseen benefits. .

BCL the 2 day in a row thing is from doctor Harvey and the focus is breast cancer prevention app but to be honest I haven't read the research and just know the basics I have seen outlined on the other forum. There was also another doctor on the horizon programme who recommended 3 day fasts but they were nearly total fasts rather than vlc. To be honest the main reason I tried back to back was someone said they found that more effective for resetting appetite. I think the problem with science and research around nutrition exercise its that a lot if it its contradictory and has its own agenda. Def the most interesting diet I have ever been on!

laska really interested to gear how your veg fasts go! Kind of like America I have been thinking about juice butt maybe green veg, don't have a juicer thigh and not sure I want another gadget!

Bordercollielover Wed 20-Feb-13 22:07:44

Well let us know, Giraffes, if 2 consecutive days does help in any way at all. I will happily give it a go if it resets my appetite or anything else useful! Sounds as if lots of us are struggling a bit at this point after several months of exhilarating progress.

Welcome back Cyclistist!

Today is so much easier than the last day or two, I wonder if I just really needed more food after pushing myself on that massive bike ride and hopefully the more used to distance cycling I get the less ill have the need to eat several horses afterwards!

To be honest the juice thing is more about a full body cleanse, not weight loss. I bought DH the juicer primarily because he always skips breakfast (he's never hungry enough) which is fine except it means he eats a horribly unhealthy snack later. He also get sick a lot (colds, flu, stomach flu), his immunity is just shit and getting worse due to the long hours and cramped office space, I've read up a bit on juicing and also going on anecdotal evidence of friends they all reckon their immunity has gone up in the last year of just adding one juice a day to their diet, and I'm getting him to focus on veg juice not fruit. No way could he sit down and eat the amount of vegetables for breakfast that go into a juice!

It's probably quite a "now" thing to be doing, but where I live in California it's been massively popular for a long time. We've also found that the combination of him working longer hours and me doing 4:3/5:2 means he's not eating as many veg as he was - if this gets him putting more greenery into his system and ups his immunity, tis no bad thing!

I'd just started looking vaguely at the juice fasts, to give myself a bit of a cleanse (would prob do just 3 days and not calorie count) and to try to readdress my current shitty attitude towards cake!

And finally we have a glut of oranges and lemons in our garden, I need to do something with them all.

Def not looking to replace 4:3 with a just diet though, how bloody boring life would be!

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 20-Feb-13 22:46:08

Juicers do seem to be one of those things that science would say no to, but people who use them really swear by . I am pretty rubbish and never eat 5aday so do think about it from time to time.

I think bcl it possibly did reset my appetite a bit to be honest, but only in the short term. I won'tdo it every week but def from time to time.

Laska42 Wed 20-Feb-13 22:48:51

Hi cyclistist good to see you here again .. A good motivator? How about skinny jeans bro? or in your case , no wobbly bum or beer gut hangover in the lycra on your big bike ridegrin

giraffes ,you want a juicer thigh? Wow to get those you'll have to follow Evil Jillian to the letter! grin. I'm not sure how much you've lost but for me 5:2 broke the Weightwatchers plateau of about 18months..

I've had a look iwearblack and it seems people have said that 'several studies' quote 10% as the setpoint This paper - it might have been posted before seems quite comprehensive though I admit I haven't read it all yet.. but several things I have read say that if you get to 10% (I'm at about 14% right now) loss .and can maintain it for 6 months , then you will have lowered your 'top range' set point and should be able to lose more then... id like to lose about 7lbs more , but ill be happy to maintain this even if it means I wont lose any more for a while .. like id said earlier maybe our bodies do need to 'catch up!' .

I've never got to 'maintenance' on any diet before or rather never allowed myself to think that I'm maintaining rather than trying to lose just a bit more, and so this will be a period of retraining my mind for me..

I'm the past i've lost so much, then started to put it back on and just felt like such a failure i've ended up putting more back on.. ( although i have lost 3.5stone overall now so must be getting better at it..).

so i've decided that although id actually like to lose that last bit , I'm going to continue to work on staying the same right now as my goal.(still fasting twice a week) and if (that's when,... of course) it edges down again that will be the cherry on the cake.. smile

BetsyVanBell Thu 21-Feb-13 06:57:29

AmericasTB Have you watched Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead? It's on US Netflix - it puts over a very convincing case for juicing in terms of micronutrients. I juice sometimes and though it's fab I do think about why I'm throwing away all the fibrous parts of a plant! It is quite a pricey endeavour but I prefer it to taking vitamin supplements and great for getting the kids to ingest some alternative veg and fruit that they might normally turn their noses up at. I read somewhere that you can use the pulp to make muffins so doesn't have to be wasted, I've not tried it myself yet.

Just remember to peel those citrus fruit first, the skin makes the juice really bitter! I learned that the hard way.

My personal favourite sort of juice is carrot, celery, apple & ginger with a squeeze of lime - heaven in a glass and the kids love it too, gives a real zing to the day.

GiraffesEatPineapples Thu 21-Feb-13 07:30:05

laska grin

Weighed myselfthis morning after 2 normal days the scales are showing good 2 lb weight loss from this time last week, so from that point of view 3 days in a row and exercise does seem to have worked. Not sure it would be a good idea for people to do it every week though. I have now lost a stone over 5 months, hopefully its off to stay though! Am 11 7 now and 5 ft 4.

BetsyVanBell Thu 21-Feb-13 08:13:05

I'm Shredding this morning... anyone joining me? I'm pleased to report that I didn't feel like I'd been run over by a truck after Tuesday's session so maybe I'll even try and do proper pushups today shock. I think I do all the harder versions of everything else.

catsrus Thu 21-Feb-13 09:16:12

I'm where Laska is wrt keeping some stability but wanting to lose another few pounds. I have to know what my body needs to stay here, now.

I suspect In the past I have gone too low to sustain without feeling I was permanently on a diet - so of course it crept up again - and it was a creep up for me rather than huge gains - I just steadingly ate more than my body needed. By incorporating fast days "mindfully" I hope I never do that again but can occasionally eat fish n chips. Ironically I hadn't eaten them for years and still put on weight eating largely healthy food - just too much of it blush

BetsyVanBell Thu 21-Feb-13 09:34:37

Shredded... didn't manage proper pushups (well a couple, sort of, before I reverted back to the easier ones) but I did 'phone it in,' as Jillian says, with everything else. I'm fine with plank but getting up and down in plank position is not yet possible! I'll get there.

Fasting today, feel great compared to Monday. However, just realised I need to get cooking now (delicious curries) ready for later - will be easier to resist now than after school when I need to avoid the kitchen as much as possible - 4.30pm is a major danger zone for me fast day or not.

Fillybuster Thu 21-Feb-13 10:44:06

mmm...Betsy I'm fasting, stuck in my office in the city, with nothing appropriate in the fridge for my dinner tonight....can I commission a portion of your curry please?

thank you to everyone for your support and good wishes. it has truly been a shitty few days, and I am struggling to stay on top of everything at the moment. actually, who am i kidding? I'm not staying on top of everything at all....work, in particular, is taking a hammering, as my concentration is shot to pieces...

the biopsy went well - it took a long time (nearly 3 hours before she got back to her room last night), but she seems to be in good spirits again this morning....I'm really struggling to find the balance between work, children and parents (didn't get home in time for dcs bedtime again last night) but I suspect that's a whole other topic and thread....just not quite ready to head over there yet....

I can't work out how this is affecting my approach to IF....there's a loud voice in my head yelling 'sod it, you don't need more stuff to deal with right now, just eat normally and as healthily as you can for the time being', but I also know that I won't feel any better or happier (probably the opposite) if I regain the 6lbs I've lost...and in fact, at least I feel reasonably good about my body shape right now, so there's one less 'negative' factor in my life.

So trying to stick at it for now - and keep on reminding myself that this is a) an experiment (so a day where i eat 650 cals isn't a 'failure') and b) I can always stop and try again another day if it all gets too much..... Need to start excercising again though...it's nearly 2 weeks since I came back from boarding and I've done nothing in that time, but that's more to do with time management than anything else, and I guess some things are going to 'give' a bit at the moment....

Bordercollielover Thu 21-Feb-13 11:31:55

Filly you have big things to deal with at the moment that need your attention. Whether you carry on with some modified form of IF while you cope with it all won't really matter as you know you can come back to it at any point.
I think that what you have achieved so far helps to give strength in times like this.

Thanks guys and good to be back. Laska talking of 'motivation' have posted a recent picture of myself in the lycra out on my bike on my profile....looks like I still need to lose a few pounds though.

Filly, thinking of you and your family at this difficult time, I hope things resolve themselves in a positive way

Bordercollielover Thu 21-Feb-13 13:43:48

I am wheel chair bound at present and genuinely sedentary. I can't weigh myself but can see that I have put on a significant amount of fat despite using MFP and doing 5:2. I normally do 4:3, so it might be that. Or might be that because I am using MFP I am actually eating MORE than when just guessing. Or maybe it is because I have eaten far more starchy carbs than usual for a couple of weeks ( hospital vegetarian food followed by "convalescent" treats) and they have a lot of water attached when stored.... I will try to tease it out and find a solution.
The idea that I actually have the power to look at it objectively and try some solutions is quite new to me; prior to IF I would simply have abandoned all hope at this point and turned to continuous eating of junk for consolation........and within days have regained all the lost weight and lost all the gained self control!

filly sounds like a good plan,When i've had stressful stuff going on I've found that carrying on with fasting has given me a feeling of control of one small area of my life, where i've had little or none over others, so it was helpful to continue, but there did also come a point (over christmas and after a divorce court hearing) when I just went, ok, I'm giving myself a couple of weeks off, and that also felt good ....and stretched into 3 weeks!

I'm glad the biopsy went ok, I really hope for the best possible news for your Mum.

I've been off work with kids for half term, so been busy and not fasted since last Weds, today is the first day back on, and going well so far, just a white coffee and a chamomile tea, need to go in search of some more drinks and try and get through til a decent dinner tonight, also planning on another fast tomorrow, as I have a st tropez beach party themed party to attend on Saturday night.....what on earth can I wear? I am really not happy enough with my bod to be wearing a swimsuit! eeekkkkk!

and as to shred........eerrmmm.......blushblushblush.....I have at least bought the weights and boy, carrying them home from argos, as well as the 4 bags of food shopping was a workout for my arms and shoulders in itself! tooe me 30 mins to walk what would normally take me 10 mins!

but the bf and his dd came for a long weekend, I've had house viewings and children to clean up after, I know, excuses, but I promise to get back on to shred this week!

well done to all of you who have been doing it! I'm very impressed, especially laska as after months of stating that she does nothing other than walking, you should be very impressed with adopting more exercise?

I think it was frenchfancy talking about being stuck at the normal weight for a few weeks, just wanted to say I'm in the same boat, although suspect I may not be working as hard as you seem to be at staying within TDEE on non fast days, so actually my few weeks has stretched into a few months, and your shredding is going better, but the new clothes has got to be an incentive? did you try on? what were they like? it is so frustrating not to see things continue, but I just keep reminding myself, that I now feel fairly confident at my new weight, any more off is just a bonus, and whatever happens, even if I stop for a while and gain, I can then get rid of it again fairly easily, I'm hoping once shredding starts regularly, that i will lose some more, but I don't really want to stop eating the (not so healthy) food that i do on non fast days, so can live with teh status quo for now! (and it's been winter, soon spring and summer will make things easier!)

as a non related ps I got my kids into a new holiday playscheme for today, and the woman emailed me on registration to ask their names, when i told her she then replied and said , " I don't mean to be rude, but are you serious?" and her daughter is called precious! lol

Bordercollielover Thu 21-Feb-13 14:05:30

Ooh MOCNK did you ever tell us their names? Did I miss it on the old thread?dying to know what they are called. I came across a pair of sisters called Antique and Unique which I thought was , well............unique!

ThinkICan Thu 21-Feb-13 15:03:59

Cyclistist - wonderful to have you back again! BCL - more studies on set point. I read so much I don't which one has what now! jn.nutrition.org/content/127/9/1875S.full
Here's another: www.mirror-mirror.org/set.htm
And one more: voices.yahoo.com/lowering-bodys-set-point-permanent-weight-5734526.html

ThinkICan Thu 21-Feb-13 15:05:21
Bordercollielover Thu 21-Feb-13 16:01:00

Thanks for all the set point links. I am trying to unravel the science from the opinions and work out how to lower one's set point. The " instructions" so far seem ver complex and without scientific reference. Anyone found any straightforward ones that have a current scientific basis?

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 21-Feb-13 16:07:53

Welcome back Cyclistist, very nice picture. wink

Agree with your post... I was on holiday last week, and this week hasn't been ideal, eating-wise. DS's birthday was yesterday so it feels as if it's been non-stop cake. I did fast on Monday and I will again tomorrow, but my eating days haven't been great so the fasting is more out of habit than anything else. And I don't want to go completely unhinged here. grin I'll fast tomorrow and possibly Sunday.

I have no doubt eating will go back to normal once the cakes are gone. To be fair, I've given some to the builders at the new house, and I'll be bringing some to a friend tomorrow morning. DH is doing his part, too, trooper that he is. smile

Hi border their names are Gypsy Snow and Pirate Jack, which I kind of thought in this day and age was ok, but found an online rant on some kids naming thread the other day about how irresponsible it was to even think of calling your child Pirate, (not aimed at me, but some other imaginitive soul!) kind of wishing I'd called him Pirate Black, would have been a good contrast with his white blonde hair smile

hopefully they'll forgive me one day, that or change their names!

cyclistist the photo I'm sure doesn't do you justice! Good to have you back.

Bordercollielover Thu 21-Feb-13 16:24:15

MOCNK they are fantastic names, good for you!
Actually I have always thought it would be sensible for children to have a temporary name of parental choice until they are, say 16, when they can then choose.

Border nice idea, I think me having a boring name was partly what inspired the unusual choice, maybe if I had changed my own at 16, I might think differently? but I wouldn't be at all offended if they wanted to change them, currently aged 6 and 4 they love them, but many people tell me it won't last....and the most ridiculous is "they'll never be a doctor or a lawyer"

anyway totally off topic, so apologies!

my friend who recently started fasting just texted to say she forgot it was a fast day and ate loads of biscuits and lunch, and asked if I had ever done that, my reply was i've sometimes put food in my mouth and promptly removed it when remembering, but I've never actually forgotten and eaten a whole meal, you guys?

BetsyVanBell Thu 21-Feb-13 16:41:32

Poor Filly, I'd love to send you a nice portion of my curry, you certaily sound you need it. Sending instead positive vibes and virtual hugs. Whatever happens you can't fail on 5:2, merely have a break when and if it's needed. x

Skinnyeye Thu 21-Feb-13 17:45:51

mumof I haven't forgotten I'm fasting and eaten a meal but did once have a chocolate in my mouth before realising and removing. DP on the other only remembered we were fasting after eating lunch on Tuesday confused

BetsyVanBell Thu 21-Feb-13 18:34:32

Pretty certain I've gone over on my calories today, but the curries were so good it was absolutely worth it! No more than 700 - not going to worry about that at all. Loads left so will have a more indulgent portion tomorrow grin

Laska42 Thu 21-Feb-13 19:04:16

filly I wrote you a huge reply at lunch time on the carp IT system at work ( public sector you see!) and lost it THREE times just as I was about to send it angry(I know I should have used Word ) . so gave up in the end ..But here is the big (((hug)) I was trying to send you along with many of the same sentiments others have posted to you since.

Cyclisist ,, do tell us if you are married or have a DP.. because after seeing that new photo of you in lycra I'm now thinking you may be the man of my dreams.. ... But sadly I think there could be a few small probs that might stand in the way of our Happiness.. 1. I'm your sis, 2. it would be a definite Cougar situation and 3. oh yes ,.. I'm married!! Oh well...looks like its a total non-starter....grin

MONCK (great names I esp like Pirate Jack) thanks for your citation.. but I dont think ill be be shredding tonight now as just got in and I have to go make a start on DH birthday meal for when he arrives from over the sea tomorrow.. (oh... and start the long process of regaining my 'natural' blond colour after a visit to the hairdresser wink) Ooh but I went for the facial and eyelash tint again.. Expensive madness but bliss..

The 2nd all - veggie day is going well, i went a bit over the 500 yesterday as had a few too many nuts.. and I am really hungry today (hungrier than i would usually be on a fast ).. but feeling like its doing me good ..feeling really bright and full of vim!.

BCL I hope you are healing well after your op.. perhaps you should try a couple of all veg days (plain steamed , soups or stir fried with just a little sauce) to offset the carbs? though I bet its pretty boring being in a wheelchair and tempting to eat ..

Right I'm off to make my veggie stir fry and then Ottolenghi turkey and courgette meatballs and aubergine parmigiana (his favourite).. Going to be difficult not to taste as I go along .. but ill l only shape the meatballs and cook them tomorrow so that will be OK

frenchfancy Thu 21-Feb-13 19:40:08

No shred for me today either. Today's fast has been hard. I've been cold all day despite wearing several layers. I'm now really tired and everyone is getting stressed as we are packing (Muuum I can't find my cardi etc).

I've no idea how much fasting or exercising I'm going to get in over the next 10 days. But at least my new clothes should be waiting for me when I get to the UK.

frenchfancy Fri 22-Feb-13 06:14:21

The scales have finally moved grin Not a lot granted but eniugh for me to reach two milestones. I am now under 70kg (well 69.9kg but I'm counting it) which when you weigh in kg is a BIG deal. And on top of that I have now lost 10kggrin a very nice way to start my holiday.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 22-Feb-13 08:41:00

ff well done! I agree every blooming blessed milestone should be counted.

greeneggs glad I found you here was getting a little concerned that hadn't seen you on main thread for a couple of days. Now I know was being daft....

BetsyVanBell Fri 22-Feb-13 09:13:31

FF Woohoo! Fantastic start to the hole - have a wonderful time!

Rather optimistically posted on the other thread how great I was feeling despite waking up at silly o'clock this morning... definitely coffee time now and grateful it's not a fast day! Had a brilliant fast day yesterday though, was bursting with energy all day and no caffeine either. And it's Friday grin.

BetsyVanBell Fri 22-Feb-13 09:14:22

ahem hols - bit of undetected auto correct there methinks hmm

GiraffesEatPineapples Fri 22-Feb-13 09:15:10

Just seen the cyclists photo snort all becomes clear was beginning to think we needed to call in Jeremy Kyle!

Feeling a bit fed up, have app gained half a stone in one day! Went out with dp last night and Had tapas Sangria and chocolate cake, yum. beginning to think this wow might not be for me though our maybe I should lose weight with another type of diet then start this for maintenance? Will give it another month so officially 6 months then reassess...

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 22-Feb-13 09:48:15

aftereights that's kind of you thanks I think I just haven't been checking there as much because I've been ridiculously busy with new house stuff (they've been taking down a supporting wall, so it's a proper worksite!) DS's birthday and just trying to get this current house in order after our holiday (always more laundry). I fasted Monday and I am again today, but I can tell my jeans are tighter than they were pre-holiday grin so I know I don't have any success stories to tell here just for now.

I had been losing again, pre-holiday, though, so I have hope for this 5:2 + half-fast day thing I've been doing.

I've not even caught up with this thread much less the other one. Have to run and answer some questions the plumber has at the new house, now. I'll be back in the afternoon when DS is at pre-school and I'm filling time on a fast day. smile

giraffes is it near your TOTM? i can gain pounds around then, what is your overall progress and what are your aims?

for me it was never solely about weight loss, but the health benefits, and the weight loss was a bonus, I'd realised weight was slowly slowly creeping back on after a large 3 stone loss a few years ago doing Paul McKenna. I'd worked out that I must be slightly over eating all the time, as I love food, but didn't want to have to do any kind of formal diet, paul mckenna worked for a while, but I was finding it difficult to get my head back into that zone. This WOE seemed to offer me the chance to reduce calories overall and hopefully then turn the tide to being a slow long term weightloss rather than gain. This is definitely working, with a 12 pound loss in 6 months, that averages 2 pounds per month, hopefullky over a year that will be 24 pounds, but even if it was only another 6 pounds in the next 6 months, those stats would still work for me.

saying all that it is quite hard not to feel disapointed not to see losses on teh scales sometimes when we feel like there should be, and I do sometimes get caught up in wondering why I'm not losing more, but then I point out how easy I actually find it and that it really is working to give me what I want -long term weight loss and health improvement, just wish the health indicators could be more obvious as that would be a real boost!

non fast day for me, was going to do 2 days back to back, but have remembered I have work drinks tonight, and to be frank, it's bloody freezing and by the time I got to work I needed some nutty cereal with fresh berries and a milky coffee!

FrenchFancy great news on the milestones!

thinkican thanks for the link to the exercise article, highlighting what I've long seen in my own experience, I never lose weight when I increase exercise, I enjoy doing it for the health benefits, and for generally feeling fitter and getting an adrenaline rush, or toning up, but I have never noticed weight loss attached to it, it definitely increases my appetite! but i do think it's important for us to exercise for toning up after we've lost weight.

have a good friday all!

GiraffesEatPineapples Fri 22-Feb-13 10:55:40

Thanks mocnk, I do agree with ask that you say, but the flip side is I am at the top end of overweight bmi, so actually I need to lose weight to be heathy, at a stone lost yesterday I was happy with the weight loss but if in reality its just water and more like 7lbs lost in 5 months, that's not so great!

GiraffesEatPineapples Fri 22-Feb-13 10:59:35

I will continue to fast in some form whatever I decide to do to shift weight, I suspect I need to eat healthily all week sigh!

Talkinpeace Fri 22-Feb-13 20:27:42

Did you miss me ?

Talkinpeace Fri 22-Feb-13 20:38:06

and yes, its me - I've got my real name back (thank you MNHQ)
but I'll still keep posting on the 5;2 forums so long as Phil is not too annoying !

Breadandwine Fri 22-Feb-13 21:03:46

Hey, Tip! Welcome back!

Justice prevails, eh?

Now then, what needs sorting out on here? grin

Nice to see you back on your thread!

Talkinpeace Fri 22-Feb-13 21:12:26

(((B&W))) Me 'n' MNHQ agreed on a way forward that benefits all of us ....

and more to the point having sat around by the fire eating for a week, I'm back to proper fasting next week :-0

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 22-Feb-13 21:48:00

Welcome back!

Talkinpeace Fri 22-Feb-13 21:53:44

grin
shall do my best to carry on being supportive.
Exile to other forums (fora ??) made me realise how good this one is
BUT finding some really good science geeks on here
www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=10&sid=3efddf6f10dc3adba526d34f5deb049c
was useful

catsrus Fri 22-Feb-13 22:22:35

[bunting] [fireworks] welcome back TiP - I have to confess I'm very lazy about using other forum blush and always seem to default back here nothing to do with forgetting my other passwords

Talkinpeace Fri 22-Feb-13 22:28:54

blah !

part of the deal on getting this name back was me remembering the password after 2 years .... MN forgot that I'm an auditor : I'm used to remembering mindless patterns of numbers

the 5:2 forum is really good - for 5:2 : but because it does not trip up passing trade (as the AIBU etc threads here do) its a tad narrow - but I'll keep supporting it for the nerdy stuff.
The MSE one needs to keel over
I won't use FB as TiP does not have an FB account (actually that is an idea)
ebay is as ebay does
UKBF are too busy with RTI to worry about 5:2

virginposter Fri 22-Feb-13 23:29:27

Welcome back TiP it hasn't been the same without you smile

ThinkICan Sat 23-Feb-13 02:31:13

Our conscience-keeper is back! Let's hear it for Talkinpeace smile

Yay welcome back TiP! We missed you <<unmumsnetty but I don't care>>

Skinnyeye Sat 23-Feb-13 09:56:10

Welcome home TIP
WI yesterday and the scales are moving downwards again grin lost a pound. Nearing the end of week 5 of C25K and feeling pretty good. heading out for a cycle today have a lovely route planned and hopefully it will`stay dry. Enjoy your Saturday everyone

Laska42 Sat 23-Feb-13 10:57:10

YAY! TIP!! welcome back.grin. lets get out the non fast day wine (well maybe a bit later , ive just had me breakfast )wink .. I just popped in for a quick nose to see what everyone is up to having not posted yesterday .but have . lots to do today.. will be back tomorrow

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 23-Feb-13 11:01:46

Hi tip welcome back! grin

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 23-Feb-13 11:16:57

thanksbearthanks bearthanksbear thanksbearthanks bearthanksbear thanksbearthanks bearthanksbear bunting!

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 23-Feb-13 15:58:54

Bunting. grin

I've had a busy week so I haven't been as prolific with my posts, but I'm very glad to see you back TIP.

FB is good for keeping up with friends back home, but the 5:2 group on FB is too unwieldy for me to keep up with. There also seems to be a few people there doing 5:2 their way and passing it off as gospel, whereas I think different things work for different people, once you're past the obvious "fast for 2 days" bit.

Anyway, back to shopping for bathrooms and kitchens. I'm keeping an eye on things here, though. I can't just drop my "starvation mode is a myth" comment on the 5:2 thread and not expect a response or two later. smile

Talkinpeace Sat 23-Feb-13 16:37:41

Interestingly with this cold weather I'm eating more - but agreed with DH that fasting and salads are easy for when it warms up - and my BMI is still well under 21 so I'm just being picky with myself :-)

might restart bodypump next half term - that on an empty stomach is a scorcher.

Bordercollielover Sat 23-Feb-13 21:29:38

Hi TiP. Lots of us get unbearably cold when fasting. I don't exercise, am in a wheelchair temporarily anyway, but I am wondering if you find exercise on a fast day to be effective for warming up?

Talkinpeace Sat 23-Feb-13 21:38:07

I'm not a good case on that as I have chronic Raynauds (or custard finger as my children so politely put it).
I am in the habit of ALWAYS wearing big shrug jumpers and cardigans around the house at the moment - especially round necked and with sleeves that cover my hands.
But yes, getting active gets everything woken up.

Being stuck in a chair is a pain (I grew up in a wheelchair household) but yes, anything to warm up the muscles should help

lots of upper body work (tin of beans in each hand, lots of reps of different arm movements)
lots of buttock and leg muscle clenches
lots of sitting up as straight as you can and
pranayama - yoga controlled breath work - surprisingly aerobic and warming
any pilates you can manage will help

my swimming is my best bit - despite the cold walk out to the pool edge!

Bordercollielover Sat 23-Feb-13 22:34:00

Thanks will give it a go. I would be very interested to know my core body temp by afternoon on a fast day as I always literally feel chilled to the marrow whatever I wear. I do 4:3 so will try doing some baked bean lifts on my fast days.

frenchfancy Sun 24-Feb-13 08:35:34

Welcome back tip. It wasn't the same without you.

I tried on all my new clothes last night and THEY FIT. One dress wasn't flattering but looks good on my BF and one other would look better if I lost a few more lbs (but thats ok I'll save it for the summer). The rest look fab. Thanks again betsy for the ebay idea.

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Feb-13 16:49:15

FF Ace! Bought myself a couple of 'new' things on there too this week - satisfyingly tiny things... just need some milder expletive weather to wear them though. Brr.

Not seeing much Shred on here lately... what happened to evil Jillian? I'll be shredding in the morning... hope I'm not the only one getting my bikini-ready body?

Laska42 Sun 24-Feb-13 17:35:44

Hi Betsey Evil Jillian will be back tomorrow and NO EXCUSES.

. I have had an unexpected non fast day today as DH reminded me with poached egg and smoked salmon breakfast , big bunch of flowers and promise of yummy lunch out (and it was) that it was 20 years ago today that we actually met! . (at our Uni interview day ..I'm so impressed as I didn't know what date that was !) .

So its back in the saddle for me tomorrow and Evil Jillian also ..

GiraffesEatPineapples Sun 24-Feb-13 18:44:55

betsy I have shreded! DP is trying to encourage me and purchased nearly every dvd on amazon this afternoon, he was particularly insistent I get the buns one biscuit

Well wobble over, I got some books from the library (Mark Sisson, Briffa and Paul mcKenna) still 5 2 ing but may incorporate some ideas from those books too.

DP has fasted with me today for the first time for moral support (its all rubbish but he is sooooo supportive grin ) . It was quite fun we took the children to the park and they had lunch outside while we had a flask to tea we planned to get a takeaway curry for dinner and spent some time figuring out the lowest cal options. When we finally had the food dp said it was the most delicious meal he has had in ages! I guess this was a mixture of being hungry and having less so pleasently full. Also we saved some cash!

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Feb-13 19:00:31

Well done Giraffes! I hope your DP is going to join you on the exercise dvds too...

I'm looking to fasting tomorrow - unusually, it feels like there's been an awful lot of crisps, pudding and chocolate this weekend, not that I haven't enjoyed the indulgence but will be nice to cut off the supply; a fast day is like a full stop at the end of a gluttonous sentence.

Talkinpeace Sun 24-Feb-13 21:19:58

I'm so pleased to see long term 5:2 people getting into the shred - not my thing
but I've worked out a set of yoga poses that spell out my name so will take some (slightly braggy) pictures in a couple of weeks

BUT
muscle tone is incredibly important for posture and everything else
so losing weight without gaining fitness seems pretty pointless to me

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 25-Feb-13 01:05:23

TIP yes defo! I have been reading that app excersising doesn't help with wieght loss but hopefuly it will help with the finished result looking better! Also statistically we are much more likely to keep the weight off if excersisng which is really important - I am sick of yoyoing. Plus theres the endorphins and cell renewal in brain. Can't believe how much more important excersise is for health than I realised, it suddenly becomes a lot less boring.

Betsy I now have a funny picture of dp and I thundering around the front room in lycra!

Laska42 Mon 25-Feb-13 09:10:08

MWHAHAHA !! EVIL JILLIAN here !!.. Is anybody ready for Level 2?grin

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Feb-13 09:50:49

Shredded! Not nearly as sweaty as previous efforts so I think my next session will be a level 2 (maybe tomorrow?)

morning all, welcome back talkinpeace woop woop! good to have you here again.

Fast day today, only did one last week with half term and visitors, but don't feel like I overindulged particularly, so looking forward to a mon and weds fast this week as well as Shred, still didn't make it at the weekend as I had a big late night 40th party on sat night so a lazy chill out day with kids yesterday and a roast chicken dinner.

So Evil Jillian, I hope to start level 1 shredding tonight, I don't think I can do every day, but we shall see. fingers crossed! did anyone take measurements before starting?

good news Frenchfancy on clothes all fitting!

giraffes I loved Paul McKenna when I did it a few years ago, I watched teh US tv show (totally OTT, but very inspiring) - i'm quite visual so it worked to reinforce the book, and I found myself proselytising about it to all and sundry,