Week 4 - New Year Bootcamp - Where We Really Get Going

(699 Posts)
BIWI Mon 28-Jan-13 08:55:07

Morning all!

Quick post from me as I have to go to work. Damn that RL!

Come and confess all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Remember that in this week, it is still likely that you may see very little or even no loss. This is entirely normal and will happen no matter how well you have been following Bootcamp rules

It sounds, though, like some of you are eager to report losses anyway, so that's brilliant!

However, there's been a lot of falling off the wagon recently, so can I suggest that we really get focused in this week and make sure that we don't allow the carbs to creep back into the diet? From here on, we're only really going to see losses of around 1-2lbs a week, so let's not sabotage things.

EwanHoozami Mon 28-Jan-13 09:06:55

<holds self up as an example>

3lb on for me as a result of a boozy Saturday night and a carby hungover Sunday.

I know that my body is ketogenically adapted after 6 months on this WOE so hopefully a very strict bootcamp week will shift it. I'm still a wally for getting into this position in the first place when I'd been doing so well. blush

BlackAffronted Mon 28-Jan-13 09:16:24

Bootcamp Food Porn so we can share our photos of yummy food - I personally find it innspiring, seeing something looking so delicious wanting to try it smile Hope more of you can add to it. I just take a quick snap with my camera phone before I tuck in!

Ok, official weigh in result - 4lb this week making a total of 13lbs in Bootcamp! Am pleased. Hopefully, when this 2 week period stops, I may drop another lb or 2.

Anyone know how man carbs in 2 tablespoons of ground almonds?

topsi Mon 28-Jan-13 09:20:59

what vegetables are good to roast please?
I did parsnip, onion , carrot and pepper last night all of which I know are on the carb side. In my defense I never do roast pots any more and am not stricktly boot camping it at the moment.
Any ideas would be great please

Lavenderhoney Mon 28-Jan-13 09:21:02

I've just added myself and have lost a few which is greatsmile bit surprised tbh as was prepping myself for not.

biwi, i noticed my weight had been changed from the beginning so i have changed them back- i think there are a few lavenderxxx and I know i was a lot heavier than the weight it said before I corrected it. I hope i havent messed up the sheet? it was ok last weigh in so its just in the last week.

jacs- sorry for your week

halfthesize Mon 28-Jan-13 09:23:29

Morning brew ok very bad weekend booze wise, 1lb down for mesad it was 3lb on Friday, why oh why did I do itconfused
oh well New week fresh start, DD1 21st in April and need to be at goal weight of 8st 5lbshmm

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 28-Jan-13 09:28:01

Good morning all.

Arse, 2 pounds on for me. I'm pretty pissed off because I've been eating like a low carb swot and really enjoying it BUT i did have some rum and sodas on Saturday. I'm annoyed because its only one night, I had a great time and all but 2lbs seems ridiculously unfair.

Maybe I'm eating too much? This week I'm going to watch portion size and snacking.

On the positive side, I don't feel like throwing in the towel as I have done on every other diet I've ever been on. Just don't want carbs anymore because I am seeing so many other non-weight related benefits. But I feel like I'm condemned to be fat for the rest of my life. My body just doesn't like letting go of fat. I didnt see the losses most of you did in the first couple of weeks and am now only 1lb down from where I started.

My DH told me to just stick with it and it will happen eventually. I guess he is right. I can sustain this into the very long term. I just need to tweak it I guess until I find what works for me.

carbalanche Mon 28-Jan-13 09:28:10

3Ibs off for me making a total of 14Ibs in 3 weeks - from 13st 9 to 12st 9 smile

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 28-Jan-13 09:34:04

jaq I was very sorry to read your news. We went through similar a 3 years ago. It's incredibly tough to be strong and supportive and cope with your own grief too.

Eventually the sadness of the most recent memories of the illness have got replaced by happy ones of what was like before he got ill and things have got a little easier. Please take very good care of yourself.

Anaisa Mon 28-Jan-13 09:39:36

Reposting my sad results from the week 3 thread, sorry, didn't notice you move :-)
Aaaarrrrgh my lovely 7 week DS2 decided eating every hour is so much more fun. I am seriously sleep deprived but was feeling quite cheerful as the weight was going down. But noooo, it was too good to be true, for some very strange reason I had a massive gain of 3 pounds this morning, which is a gain of 1 pound since last week. Now I am sleep deprived and not happy . (I do know we have been warned about no loss this week, but my positive thinking was misapplied here, I was still convinced I'd lose 1lb at least. Sulking smiley.)
PS for once I am glad I was weighing myself every day, at least I saw the smaller numbers on the scales, so I kind of know there is hope iyswim

good morning everyone, well done on making it to week 4! if you don't weigh in on Mondays that's fine - I won't be doing spreadsheet fiddling until about friday this week so weigh in when you can

i'm just 1lb down but that's ok

this week i will be:

- back to bootcamp basics, i have been slacking and allowing carb creep. this Will Not Do

- DOING SOME EXERCISE. i used the snow as an excuse not to do any running (pathetic when i have shred dvd at home), though i did do some walking in the evenings as i sit on my arse all day at work and have a 1 hr 15 mins commute by car each way. although i find it's not essential for losing weight, i do need to do some exercise for my mood and fitness, so this laziness must not be allowed to continue

BlackAffronted Mon 28-Jan-13 09:47:03

Just made thetasty whey pancakes again, they are just so yummy! A really filling breakfast as well.

I think dinner tonight will be cabbage cabonara, luckily my kids thinks this is amazing and keep asking for it. Not sure what lunch will be, maybe tuna lettuce wraps.

I'm not on spreadsheet as I only use my phone mn, but even with my falling off the wagon on Fri/Sat I have lost a lb. I'm very happy with that, and hope if I stick strictly to bootcamping this week I'll lose more. smile

Ilisten2theradio Mon 28-Jan-13 09:55:23

3lb off for me which I am delighted with despite having a little gravy on my roast dinner yesterday ( with roast swede instead of potatoes). Who knew I could eat 6 different veggies all on one plate?

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 28-Jan-13 09:55:31

willie I too used the snow as an excuse not to run and am off running in a sec. 7 miles after a 2 week break (training for a half marathon). This may not go well!

i can put you on pregnant pause if you want? just let me know start weight, current weight and start date and you can be on there and we can update on your behalf on a weekly basis. no worries if you're happy tracking yourself as you are

So I decided not to be all ostrich-y about it and have spreadsheeted - so have officially put on 1.6lbs since last Monday sad I suppose it could be worse! But annoyed with myself for being so silly on Saturday. Have a 30th birthday party this Saturday but I hope I have learned from my mistakes. In the meantime, 2 boiled eggs for breakfast, shredded cabbage with mustardy mayo dressing with some salami and mozzarella for lunch and then salmon for dinner with creamy leeks and courgettes and some roast celeriac.

thonah Mon 28-Jan-13 09:58:42

1lb on, not bad as had a very boozy, carby weekend and it's TOTM. Seems I'm not the only one though!!

Morning smile

I havent checked in for a few days. I resisted my son's birthday cake and thankfully he didnt notice, but when we went out for dinner on fri night I had a couple of small crackers that my husband had with a cheeseboard (he cant eat wheat so dd and I shared them) To be fair, they were lovely grin

I had a few drinks yesterday, and my weightloss today may be dehydration so although Ive recorded it on the spreadsheet I may update tomorrow if its not 'proper' weightloss.

Havent had breakfast yet and not sure what I'll be having for lunch, but Im doing sausages and veg for dinner!

prettybird Mon 28-Jan-13 10:21:18

STS this week for me - but I knew that was a probability likely as a) it's Week 3 and I've already lost 12 lbs and b) I had a planned "cheat" on Friday - which in the event probably wasn't too bad, with only some oatmeal (in the haggis and the cranachan), a tiny amount of sugar (in the cranachan), some wheat flour in the black pudding, two white chocolate coffee beans and 2.5 glasses of wine (including half a glass of a sweetie).

Back on to full Boot Camp, but am allowing a few berries and a couple of brazil nuts.

Still pleased with the overall progress. I have a belt which is already in 2-3 notches! smile

Boobz Mon 28-Jan-13 10:29:13

Weighing in at 109lbs, so 2lbs off for me this week, finally getting (just below) my target. I am on maintenance! I also finished my P90X routine, so after 90 days of Low Carbing, and 90 days of P90X, I am done! Have uploaded final Day 90 (before and after) photos on my profile...

I am pleased with the results and to be honest, it wasn't that hard (1hr work out a day, 6 days a week, plus Zone Diet) and Bikram Yoga (90 min sessions) twice a week, for the past 12 weeks.

Now how to keep the weight off and stay fit? Am currently surrounded by packers as they move us half way across the world from Kenya to the UK - I hope the cold weather doesn't make me start to comfort eat!

Well done all losers! Thanks Biwi for letting me start this journey with you back in October (even though the Zone is not exactly the same as Bootcamp).. you have all been a huge support.

NoelHeadbands Mon 28-Jan-13 10:39:12

Well done Boobz what a result

topsi I roast cauli and broccoli

Well I forgot to weigh this morning so I'll do it tomorrow. I don't think there'll be a loss anyway this week. Need to start thinking about the exercise..

SwitchedtoEatingCheese Mon 28-Jan-13 10:41:17

hi everyone, i'd like to (re)join bootcamp please? By last June I'd got down to 11 stone which is pretty much the losest I've weighed in my entire adult life.

Why did i give up? i don't know, i guess i just started thinking 1 potato here, a slice of bread there and before I knew it I was back to eating high carb crap.

The result, I feel awful and my clothes don't fit. I look like someone has inflated me with a bike pump. This morning I weighed in at 12st 5 pounds.

My first target is to be sub 12 stones, hopefully by mid February
Then 11.7 st by easter
And 11st by summer.

Jacaqueen Mon 28-Jan-13 10:45:25

Just marking myself on the new thread. Didn't weigh this morning as it is all a little bit chaotic.

slatternlymother Mon 28-Jan-13 10:54:58

I'm 2lbs on this Monday, which I deserve after treats at the weekend. I also think I'm coming on my period, got that really heavy, draggy feeling.

Gah. Had funny eyesight all morning, feeling sick and a horrible headache, really stabby one even after taking 2 paracetamol. WTF is this?

HumphreyCobbler Mon 28-Jan-13 10:55:59

<waves to everyone>

As you know I don't weigh, but I FEEL very thin grin

When I put my knees together there is a small gap between my thighs shock grin

PostBellumBugsy Mon 28-Jan-13 10:57:27

Marking place too. Well done losers & don't lose hope those who've gained a bit. Remember it is impossible to gain fat that fast, so it will probably be a bit of water retention.
Resisted lemon drizzle cake & pineapple cake at family party on Saturday & have been very good about staying low carb. Feeling a bit joyless about it though - so am going to do something yummy for dinner!

Ruprekt Mon 28-Jan-13 10:57:31

I forgot to weigh too as DS1 was throwing up! sad

Had bacon, sausage, egg and creamed mushrooms for BF as didn't go to work as looking after DS.

I forgot to tell you that I got HUGE celeriac for 33p yesterday. Bargain. Got 4 of them. Might be sick of celeriac at the end of the week!!

mumat39 Mon 28-Jan-13 11:07:51

Booz, Wow!!!

You look amazing, although I must admit you looked pretty good in the before pics too.

Good luck with the move. Hope you all and all of your things arrive safely to the uk.

mumat39 Mon 28-Jan-13 11:08:08

Boobz, sorry.

DorisIsWaiting Mon 28-Jan-13 11:11:06

Wow Boobz well done that's a huge training program (and I had a peek at you photos too!) .

It's no weigh in for me until wednesday but I am staying strong had wine this week (and noticed it more!) but other than that have stayed on the straight and narrow. I'd lost a couple of pounds when I weighed yesterday but that's no gauruntee (sp?) grin

Really looking forwrd to eating with the family tonight (we have so many dietary requirements it has been impossible). They are having homemade chips and battered fish. I'm going to have celeriac chips and fish sans batter and some salad on the side.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 28-Jan-13 11:12:43

Well I have been drooling at cake recipies this morning.
Not for myself you understand, but I have agreed to make a cake for a 50th Birthday - just a small gathering of friends not a big party as she is doing that later in the week.
So I can't choose. So many of them look lovely.
I am torn.
An I promise I will try and resist eating any of it too grin

cathyandclaire Mon 28-Jan-13 11:15:32

Well done Boobz, you look fab...great abs envy what an inspiration!
brushes dust off Shred DVD
Good luck with your move smile

catinboots Mon 28-Jan-13 11:20:14

Marking place on shiny new thread

PostBellumBugsy Mon 28-Jan-13 11:23:02

Just back to say WOW to Boobz - amazing muscle definition there! Really, really impressive. Just off to investigate this P90X thing of which you speak!

Collywibbles Mon 28-Jan-13 11:31:49

Boobz - you look flipping amazing! Wow! What an inspiration!

Jac - really sorry to hear your news - thoughts with you all and be gentle to yourself.

Had a crap night's sleep with horrific indigestion (at least I think that is what it was - never had it before) and had a coffee with cream when I let the dogs out at 6am this morning before I remembered it was weigh day so will weigh tomorrow.

I have been super strict this week and had NO NUTS - which is a huge thing for me as I had got into a bad habit of grabbing a handful for breakfast and in between exercise classes. We will see.

I have been reading Dr Briffa's book this week - interesting read. I have ordered another one about training on a low carb diet. I do a lot of exercise (body pump / combat / boxercise / tabata / circuits / running / bokwa) and have been fine while low carbing so far. I just smile at the instructor when she tells me to have a banana!

Well done to those who have had losses and "keep the faith" if you have sts or had a gain.

AuntieMaggie Mon 28-Jan-13 11:45:14

STS for me which is fine as I did have some carbs over the week I was ill. Back to it today!

pyjamalover Mon 28-Jan-13 12:21:07

Hi everyone, jealous of your boozy weekends as I was working!
Sorry to hear your news jac.

All going ok for me, not losing much weight but actually I stupidly didn't weigh myself on day one, just guessed it was 2 pounds more than a week later, so may have lost more in 1st week. I do feel a bit slimmer, trousers definitely looser. Also no IBS or headaches!

Easily resisted crumble and custard on friday, just said I was full and nobody commented.

Thanks for the advice about the potassium BIWI, I had suspected same, have been trying to include those foods more, trouble is I don't like things too salty but am making an effort to add it. Thirst is more bearable now.

Now going to meal plan my week which I irrationally hate doing!

GinotPrigio Mon 28-Jan-13 12:37:28

1lb down for me this week which I'm happy with considering I ate like a monster this weekend (all low carb though!)

Currently have the chicken carcass from yesterday's roast simmering to make chicken soup. I love that this woe is making me cook from scratch all the time now.

Great pics boobz well done!

Marking my place & saying WOW to Boobz - you look amazing! I'm sure it was hard work but well worth it grin

BlackAffronted Mon 28-Jan-13 12:48:48

Ginot, add a pic of your soup to the food porn thread smile

BlackAffronted Mon 28-Jan-13 12:51:24

Forgot to say well done to Boobz! You are looking extremely toned!

Embarrassed to put weight onto spreadsheet as I have gained...I know why, it is from drinking wine over the weekend (social occasion on Saturday)...
I think I will wait a day or two to weigh as I can feel I am not right today (and also have not gone to loo....hoping that is part of the problem...sorry if tmi).

I have a goal of losing 1kg (about 2lb) a week, but have left room for some slippage as my real goal is to be 10kg down so 56kg (124lb) by my big 50th birthday party in August (having it on a beach in a hot country so no chance of hiding the flab!). I do however really want to get to the goal signifcatly ahead of the party.

So, slippage already, oh dear!, but on we go...

Doshusallie Mon 28-Jan-13 13:10:05

Hi all.

In case you missed it as she posted on the old thread, FrouFrou lost her Dad last Thursday, so look out for her on here, think she needs our support.

Greek yog, for brekkie
the most amazeballs 3 egg omelette with mushrooms and smoked salmon served with coleslaw for lunch. Yum.

Seeing Les Mis tonight so might have to skip tea, will have some celery and ham before I go.

Lastyearsmodel Mon 28-Jan-13 13:13:22

2lb off - I may only have had a steady loss each week but I now weigh less than I have for 3 years. The downward trend is giving me hope.

Also, not sure, but my psoriasis looks better. I don't get the tired slumps mid-afternoon, so feel much better and calmer by the usual flashpoint of bath and bedtimes.

Nobody's noticed yet though... grin

thekitchenfairy Mon 28-Jan-13 13:23:12

Hello everyone,

2lb down and TOTM for me so the best Monday ever so far this year!

all a bit wet and windy down here in the Duchy <waves to slattern and starfish> so treated myself to a coffeeshop decaf coffee and cream... With a big sprinkle of cinnamon. V warming and rewarding.

Still not over the sugar cravings but not v hungry much at all... Do I need to go back to bootcamp hardcore and stay there til they go for more than a day or so?

BIWI thanks for asking kids question to Dr Briffa, feel v reassured now and Hope you had a good day. Have posted on request for webchat thread too.

Happy losing everyone.... Boobz those pics are fantastic, really inspirational!

coldethyl Mon 28-Jan-13 14:02:36

<sidles in quietly to report 2lb gain due to very bad day yesterday - wine, pudding and biscuits with my cheese>. But this is a WOE for life, yes? So back on the wagon today for another strict week for me. And I don't feel too bad about it because, 2 lb gain or no, I spent yesterday in my skinny jeans and they weren't too tight and I did not bulge over the top. Oh yes.

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 28-Jan-13 14:02:51

Thanks dosh I did miss that. Much love to froufrou. Very sorry to hear your news.

TheEarlyBird Mon 28-Jan-13 14:03:50

Just marking my place - will be back to catch up later!

So sorry froufrou to hear your sad news. Such a difficult and painful time for you; go easy on yourself. I'm glad to hear our banter is helping distract you a bit - do come and join us when you feel up to it and we will give you lots of hugs and support.

Only a pound off for me but serves me right for drinking too much wine at the weekend. I knew it would stall me. Still happy with a pound though.

I too am boiling up a roast chicken carcass for soup. It makes me feel very earth-motherly, all this home cooking.

queribus Mon 28-Jan-13 14:53:28

Hello all

Stayed the same this week, but measurements coming down so I'm too despondent. Accidentally ate pumpkin last week as well as wine so no surprise, really.

B - none, too much of a rush
L - smoked salmon, salad and an avocado
D - steak, spinach

colette Mon 28-Jan-13 14:56:12

Will weigh tomorrow as today looks like 1lb on .. Have ordered ketostix , has anyone used these ?
Well done on all the losses and sorry to hear your new Jaq it's so hard to take it all in look after yourself

froufrou hope you're doing as well as can be expected, do look after yourself thanks

sybilfaulty Mon 28-Jan-13 16:25:02

1lb on for me this week. Oink oink.

Sending love to you, Frou.

Some fantastic weight losses on here. Well done. Courage and faith to all those who have STS or put on.

froufroulala Mon 28-Jan-13 16:48:59

Thanks for the messages folks they are really appreciated and yes reading all your messages about the LC and life in general does help, especially the light heartedness of the thread. Don't want to darken the thread, my Dad was 88 had a good life & I firmly believe he is re united with my Mam who died 3 years ago. Keep going everyone you are doing sooo well x

Valdeeves Mon 28-Jan-13 17:10:32

Sorry to hear about your dad Froufrou - do you have some support?

Wow Boobz - looking good!!!

Breakfast - none as no suitable food in that I could face for breakfast!
Lunch: egg mayonnaise and ham
Tea: it will be salmon mashed into butter and buttered spinach.

Can someone please motivate me to do 30 day shred?
It's a struggle as I have a baby and a toddler, a hubby who works late so zero time - but there must be a way! Please tell me how fab it is and how fab you look! I've got the DVD.

thenightsky Mon 28-Jan-13 17:12:41

Added my 1lb loss for this week. One more pound and I'll have lost a full stone grin

BlackAffronted Mon 28-Jan-13 17:17:38

same here nightsky, I cant wait grin

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Mon 28-Jan-13 17:17:42

So sorry to hear your news, FrouFrou. Take care of yourself.

I am 2lbs down, hurray! Have put myself back on the spreadsheet and this time I am sticking to it! Only 4lbs to go until Goal Number 1 (9 stone 7). If I'm good I can be there in 2 weeks.

thenightsky Mon 28-Jan-13 17:20:34

The strangest thing about this woe is that by week 4 of a low calorie diet I'd be pissed off and sneaking pizza and thinking bugger it, whereas with this system I'm as enthusiastic right now as I was on day one!

Posted on the previous thread about this week's 1 lb loss - which brings me to exactly 11 and a half stone - not a bad weight for my height (5' 4" and a quarter) but still overweight - want to lose another stone before I look at maintaining the loss. It'll be 26 weeks next Sunday that I've been doing this, so 6 months for the first 4 and a half stone. Am expecting it to take a lot longer for the final stone - but hoping to get there before June (my birthday).

Tonight we're having a proper Salade Nicoise, with fresh tuna steaks, hard boiled eggs, anchovies, olives, French beans etc - just no spuds included. Dad's elderly (but fun) neighbour is popping in for tea/coffee/wine and/or vodka/rum later, and have some chocolate biscuits ready to offer her - so need to fill up on dinner so there's no sense of deprivation (not that I eat chocolate even when not low carbing, horrid stuff!).

FrouFrou - hope you're doing OK - am here looking after my 85 year old Dad - I know he won't live forever (and he has terminal prostate cancer, which is showing signs of activity at the moment, very worrying), though I wish he would. 88 is a great age to have reached, and I know it's early days yet, and you're probably still in shock (even if his death was expected) - but I hope you're finding some comfort in good memories, and family. Sending good thoughts and empathy your way.

Interesting about week four biwi, I started on 2 Jan so just completing my fourth week and I lost nothing last week but this week have seen three pounds drop off.

Loving it still, not checking in on the thread as much but still finding it a welcome source of inspiration and encouragement.

Froufrou so sorry to hear your sad news xx

Firsttimepig Mon 28-Jan-13 18:08:09

Oops posted on old thread ....silly me well 2lb loss this week despite still eating cheese and nuts so must be ok. Time of the month this week so I'm sure this may affect the scales in a bad way we will see. Everyone's doing great ! 4.84% total weight loss for me since jan 1st so happy.

gloriafloria Mon 28-Jan-13 18:14:30

Afternoon All,

2lbs off this week making a grand total of [drum roll]..... 13lbs!!!!! I am shrinking!!

I had planned on having some wine and nuts at the weekend but due to unexpected goings on didn't get a chance. Will see if I can hold off now until next weekend.

Well done everyone!! How great does it feel to get to week 4 xx

ShebaQueen Mon 28-Jan-13 18:27:54

Hello all, no change for me this week, despite sticking to the rules. Luckily BIWI had already issued a warning that this might happen so I am not too despondent, I have decided to start measuring myself too because I do feel thinner even though I haven't lost this week.

So sorry for your loss Froufrou.

Off to fill in the spreadsheet, have a good evening all.

mumat39 Mon 28-Jan-13 18:35:35



LucyVFood Mon 28-Jan-13 18:38:47

I've put a pound on. Food-wise I've really stuck to it, although I can't shake the deep-rooted feeling that I CAN'T eat this much meat and fat and lose weight.

I've had a hellish period (unlike me), am in the middle of a stressful time at work and drank a bottle of Prosecco on Saturday night. I also didn't Shred for four days. Ho hum.

NoveltySlippers Mon 28-Jan-13 18:49:03

Froufrou I'm so sorry to hear about your dad sad. flowers for you and I really hope you're looking after yourself.

Am 2.5 pounds down this week.

Am making blackaffronted's smoked sausage stroganoff with shallots and soured cream tonight. Excited!

BIWI Mon 28-Jan-13 18:49:48

[[http://www.mumsnet.com/health/diet-and-fitness Have you seen this?! grin ]]

BIWI Mon 28-Jan-13 18:50:21

Oh - link fail!

try again

BIWI Mon 28-Jan-13 18:51:34

Froufrou - I'm really sorry to hear your news sad Make sure you take care of yourself.

gloriafloria Mon 28-Jan-13 19:11:44

So sorry froufrou, take care of yourself. I posted earlier before I had read through the thread xx

Evening losers
Quickly marking my place but didn't want to read and run without sending condolences to frou

Oooh wow we are famous!! Recipe and chat threads

World domination next BIWI?

I put on 2lb this week, but had a cheaty weekend so I'm not too worried! I'll be continuing with hardcore bootcamp for the forseeable. I have another weekend where cheating will happen in a couple of weeks time! (birthday - must have cake!)

BIWI Mon 28-Jan-13 19:31:15

Why not?! wink

GinotPrigio Mon 28-Jan-13 19:31:35

BlackAffronted What's the food porn thread? The recipes?

FrouFrou Really sorry to hear of your loss. Hope you are doing ok.

I have literally eaten my bodyweight in my homemade chicken soup today. I could burst!

QuickLookBusy Mon 28-Jan-13 19:50:33

Lost 2 and 1/4 pounds this week. I did have a glass of wine each night on sat and Sunday and been eating berries, so shall carry on with that next week.

BlackAffronted Mon 28-Jan-13 19:51:58

Ginot, its the food photos thread, seeing the meals really inspires you try new things smile Well, for me anyway.

Just back from Zumba, less than 2 weeks now til my 8 hour zumbathon! Getting panicky now. What shall I take with me, to keep me going? I was thinking maybe some protein shakes, some babybels ... and? Plenty of water!

BlackAffronted Mon 28-Jan-13 19:53:25

Ginot, look here

Hi all, quick check in, new job means I'm struggling to keep up with the thread but I'm still bootcamping! Lost another 0.6kg which I'm really happy with for Week 4! Onwards and downwards!

Am still being pretty good, have changed to berry smoothies in the morning (only 3g carbs in the berries though!) as I was struggling to eat egg based brekkies in the mornings. It's working really well and I'm still keeping my carbs low overall.

Really enjoying this WOE now which is more than I can say for any other diet I've been on!

NellVarnish Mon 28-Jan-13 20:08:27

Just updating with a measly, pathetic 1lb loss this week. sad And I was really good as well.

Off to catch up with all the news and check out the photos thread - great idea BlackAffronted!

Valdeeves Mon 28-Jan-13 20:10:17

BIWI - love the web chat with Dr Briffa.

froufrou big hugs. I am not sure it is any easier whatever the circumstances. Be kind to yourself.

Well I put on 3lbs this week after a terrible weekend of food, and it really is the least that I deserve. DH was the same and is on a right mission not to fall off the wagon again, which usually is good news for me when he is focused.

thenightsky Mon 28-Jan-13 20:15:09

Anyone watching the programme about Weight Watchers on channel 4 right now? Interesting stuff.

halfthesize Mon 28-Jan-13 20:21:41

so sorry Frou to hear your dad died, take care of yourself.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 28-Jan-13 20:55:31

Very pleased to have lost 2lbs this week. Havent managed to cut down my brie addiction too much but definitely drinking more water and less tea and cream.

B - today was scrambled eggs and streaky bacon.
L - as was out and about.
D - was mince and veg slowcooked with chilli etc and eaten with a dollop of coleslaw.

So glad the snow has gone and I'm intending to get out and do a bit more exercise this week. I'm still a good 6lbs off my target but i'll get there eventually.

Just want to add my condolences to Frou.

Livelongandprosper Mon 28-Jan-13 21:00:22

1lb loss this week. I'm all over the place with my meals, I must plan ahead. At least it's a loss.

Froufrou So sorry

Doshusallie Mon 28-Jan-13 21:00:31

Tea was a big pork chop, with mashed buttery swede, cream braised sprouts, and cauliflower....

SavoirFaire Mon 28-Jan-13 21:00:53

Sorry FrouFrou sad

Down a pound, but I know I have put a little weight on since Friday. Not a big deal, as there are some slips, but I am motivated to try extra hard this week. I have set myself a new goal as I am almost at my original one. I would like to lose another 7lbs before I start maintain. I have some events in mid march and it would be awesome to have lost the weight by then... We will see!

My day
B: 2 eggs and butter
L: green salad, with spinach, avocado and goats cheese
D: beef casserole, with mushrooms and some other allowed veg and crispy kale, followed by a bowl of ff yogurt with cinnamon.

Well done losers!

KerryKetosis Mon 28-Jan-13 21:01:44

FrouFrou so sorry to hear you lost your dad. Take care of you and yours.

Well, I logged on feeling despondent after being massively derailed this week and I would love any help or advice anyone could give me please?

Several things have contributed to falling off the LC wagon this week:

1. Visited friend who had cooked creamy pasta lunch and apple crumble for me (I really didn't feel I could refuse when she had made such an effort).
2. Struggling with meal planning for me (LC), DP (low fat and low carb, weirdo!), kids ('normal' meals) and baby (BLW). It's just taking so much bloody effort to figure out what everyone can have!
3. Shopping - we ran out of suitable foods and had no time to go shopping with such a busy weekend.
4. Struggling to find the time to cook. So much LC is cook from scratch. I've had loads of veg go in the bin because I haven't had time to prepare it in between baby care etc. I've been having a lot of leeks as they're quick in the microwave, but got sick of them and ended up just having meat.
4. Boozey weekend for someone's birthday, followed by hangover and a craving for dirty KFC (and no alternative food in the house). <no excuse for this one!

All of this is making me think, how can this be sustainable as there are always circumstances which make it tricky - eg being cooked for, eating in a restaurant, celebrations, finding food when out etc. And if it's not the kind of WOE where you can dip in and out like you can with others, then there's no point?

I'm stressed and sleep deprived and feeling very low. Please kick my arse.

Valdeeves Mon 28-Jan-13 21:14:23

Kerry I know what you mean - I think the thing to do is just keep at it but accept that sometimes you have to deviate and it's no big deal. It's a WOE for the rest of your life and let's face it - it would be difficult not to drink, eat cake etc etc your whole life!!!
You just have to do the best you can and not stress about the slip ups - ultimately it's about bring healthier and losing weight.
For example - if you fall of the wagon - you just get right back on and keep going as long as you can.
The aim is to keep trying, eventually it'll stick.
I'm going to try my best to limit the damage as got a meal out and a wedding this month but I'm not going to stress as that will ruin both!
I think a good target is to get weight sorted by the summer at least so we can all look fantastic on the beach (if it ever stops raining!!!)

Valdeeves Mon 28-Jan-13 21:15:44

The thing is also to remember the benefits - great weightloss without going hungry, fab skin from all the water, more energy, less dips in blood sugar.


This woe is defo sustainable as there are lots of coming p to the year mark and still going strong and loving it.

The thing is you are going to get derailed such as friends who cook for you. You can either contact them on advance and ask for a low carb lunch. Even then you may find yourself presented with a plate of lasagne and a huge chocolate cake. Yes that's what happened to me. Just drink plenty of water a few strict days and you are back on track.

Regarding the meal planning I really would recommend you spend an hour once a week working out a menu for everyone.

Roast dinner for everyone just leave off yorkshires and potatoes for you.
Leftover meat in a stirfry -make noodles or rice for family. Courgette ribbons or cauli rice for you
Bolognaise sauce with pasta for everyone and courgette pasta for you and extra Parmesan!

When you make anything like stew/chilli/bolognaise do double quantities and freeze portions. Have you got a slow cooker- this is your friend.

Restaurants are really easy for,low carbing tbh. Most places are fine if you either say you are wheat intolerant and ask for veg instead of the carb option.

The health benefits all outweigh these little blips along the way. It's a marathon not a sprint.
I could have lost a lot more weight but I have a pretty good social life and I drink a lot on my weekends off

skandi1 Mon 28-Jan-13 21:25:57

Another week without any loss for me sad

I just cannot understand it! I have not been naughty even once! I have followed boot camp and taken advice on board and tweaked what I ate as we have gone along.

And still I have lost a measly total of 3lbs in 3 week!! Despite giving up all forms of sugar, refined carb and high carb! Wtf!! And no nuts or fruit this week for me either.

I am the dunce of boot camp <hangs head in shame>

Lots of you seem to have lost a whole stone. Are you all doing lots of exercise?
Please let it be the lack of exercise otherwise I am doomed.
<shuffles off in shame to drink more water>

KerryKetosis Mon 28-Jan-13 21:37:51

thanks for your advice guys.

Yes, I really need to get to grips with, "oh well". As in, I fell of the wagon, "oh well" <climb back on>

and planning, planning, planning.


Are you measuring yourself? Sometimes the scales don't show but the cms drop off.

How much weight have you got to lose? I don't want you to post it! But of you haven't got too much then this may be a reason.

BIWI would also ask how much dairy you are eating as this can stall some people's weight loss. Everyone is different and its just working out what suits you.

How is your skin since starting this Woe? Are you feeling healthier- think of all,the health benefits as well as weight loss

Keep the faith losers

thenightsky Mon 28-Jan-13 21:44:06

skandi... I've lost 13lb in total and I think it has helped that I've been swimming three times a week, even thought it is only a gentle 40 min swim.

brighthair Mon 28-Jan-13 22:01:34

<sneaks in>
Technically I'm not doing bootcamp but I am one week into Paleo/low carb
The no sugar hit the second day with a banging headache. Day 7 today nd I've lost 2.5kg in a week so I'm very happy grin
Tend to lurk on here for recipe ideas!!

colette Mon 28-Jan-13 22:09:16

love the food porn !So much better to see the meals ..

NellVarnish Mon 28-Jan-13 22:27:59

Oh froufrou I'm so sorry sad

Apologies for wittering on about inconsequential trivia.


Bessie123 Mon 28-Jan-13 22:35:26

froufrou what sad news hug I will be thinking of you.

prettybird Mon 28-Jan-13 22:43:52

Had roast pheasant tonight with celeriac dauphinoise/gratin and buttery savoy cabbage with bacon pieces. Yummy.

Was tempted persuaded by dh and his MW Study Buddy to taste two of the three wines that they had been tasting as they were such good matches for the pheasant. I had less than a quarter of a glass of each - purely for tasting purposes of course. wink

I was then really really good and didn't have a single After Eight when dh opened the box from Christmas even though they are one of my favourite chocolates sadgrin

Ruprekt Mon 28-Jan-13 22:50:52

B - cooked lc breakfast

L- my hm delicious broccoli and stilton soup

S - hogbites Yummy!

D - Waitrose Chicken with cream and cheese, celeriac and swede chips and spinach. Cheese board

Peppermint tea.

skandi1 Mon 28-Jan-13 22:59:57

Nightsky. I see <strokes imaginary beard>. I am hoping its the lack of exercise holding me back. I so want low carb to work.

Gless. My dairy intake is quite small. I have 2 or 3 coffees a day with cream and usually some FF greek yog either as breakfast or in the evening. I gave up cheese halfway through last week and i have not had any cream cheese at all during boot camp. I could ditch the Greek yog but given I have given up my daily 8 cups of tea in favour of a couple of coffees, the coffee has to stay.

think the key must be getting to the gym. I don't think I can lose otherwise.

No difference in my skin so far. That said my experience with rosacea has taught me that results tend to take a couple of months to show. Still holding out for that.

I so want this to work. Before I had my DC I was very slim and had never been on a diet. Within 8 weeks of falling pregnant with my first I blew up like a balloon and just got fatter and fatter. No change in what I ate just changes in my body's metabolism.

I have a whole wardrobe of beautiful clothes I am too fat to wear and I miss looking smart.

I am also ashamed because people constantly think I am pregnant (all the weight is on my tum). It was easier to deal with before DD turned 3 but now she picks up on it and asks whether she is going to have another brother like DS. And obviously I tell her no. I think it confuses her.

It's worst when I am with DH and it happens. He took me to a very swanky Michelin starred establishment in November and the staff all congratulated us and started asking when I was due whether it was our first. DH pretended not to hear and look at the menu. I was mortified beyond belief. Needless to say I did not enjoy my special expensive dinner.

To clarify, my legs, arms bum is a size 14 but my waist is more like a size 20. <weeps>

Sorry mammoth post

TheEarlyBird Mon 28-Jan-13 23:08:05

Froufrou - what sad news. I do understand your sadness (was orphaned in my 30s) and know that, even as an adult, it is a hard loss. The most important thing right now is to be kind to yourself and allow the emotions to come. Take it all day by day, the good ones and the bad ones. I wish I could explain that grief is a part of loving someone and so it has a poignancy to be treasured. With lots of love. xxx

TheEarlyBird Mon 28-Jan-13 23:12:32

... and Skandi1 - just big hearts for you. xxx

Valdeeves Tue 29-Jan-13 00:03:00

Skandi - I'm sure you will lose the weight - hang on in there. I always carry weight on my tummy too - never been able to shift it.
You can try exercise if you've got the time.

Are you sure your tummy isn't being affected by something else? Are your periods ok?

Valdeeves Tue 29-Jan-13 00:03:54

Kids just knacker those tummy muscles don't they? My last baby has really buggered mine. Thank God we love them do

TheSloppelganger Tue 29-Jan-13 02:56:24

skandi1 - perhaps diastasis recti is a possible explanation for your tum?

Sorry to hear low-carbing hasn't worked any magic for you yet.

herecomesthsun Tue 29-Jan-13 04:15:52

Kerry - some ideas

For getting low carb food into house - supermarket deliveries, could set up a reg weekly delivery with full fat yoghurt, almond milk, eggs, cream, butter, full fat cream cheese etc. Then stuff would be in the house.

Preparing veg - frozen veg is very handy and doesn't go off (note to self, must get in frozen cauliflower). Mushrooms, young broccoli and courgettes very easy to prep and quick to cook. Bagged salad and fresh mayonnaise also easy and quick. Celery and cucumber for quick snacks with cheese or pate, or just dipped in mayonnaise.

Easy main courses - can buy ready roasted whole chicken, deli ham, smoked mackerel, with veg options as above these are easy and quick. Boiled eggs are a good brekkie or snack. Omelettes are great as an easy meal. Also tinned fish a good nutritious standby.

herecomesthsun Tue 29-Jan-13 04:31:02

Food when out - I have gone to the deli counter in a supermarket for ham or cooked chicken and combined with a takeaway salad (plus plastic fork)

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 07:48:17

Top of the morning to you all!

BIWI - fabulous pages on low carbing on MN! Are all those pages new? Wow, you've been busy - and yes, world domination is surely round the corner?!

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 07:52:00

thenightsky, wha wasthe programe called? Ill see if its on 4od so I can watch it!

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 08:01:36

Blackaffronted - I made your sausage stroganoff last night AND took a picture of it! <polishes halo> Will post now on the photo thread! (It was delicious!)

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 08:07:56

Skandi, perhaps you are quite insulin resistent, and it is just takiing your body time to adjust to this woe. It will happen though, you just need to keep at it. You are also 3lb less than you were at the start of the year, way better than being 3lb heavier, which could have happened had you not changed to this woe!

Kerry - I always make sure I have babybels, ham slices and homemade coleslaw in the fridge to snack on. A few pepperamis too. Make sure to have tinned tuna and a jar of mayonnaise, for a quick lunch with some salad leaves. Dinners are easy really, the kids can eat the same as you, with maybe some brown rice or potatoes with theirs. I have a DH and 3 kids, and dont tend to make many different meals. Generally we all eat meat & veg, with potatoes sometimes for them. If my DH doesnt fancy what I have planned for tea, he will make something different for him & the kids so that I dont have to make 2 meals - get your DP roped in! smile

I am now on day 16 of bleeding sad It is the only downside I have experienced, and I am not liking it. Have had a google, and it does seem common at the start of a low carb woe. Will just have to wait it out <sigh>

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 08:08:53

Novelty [gein] I had it for dinner last night too.

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 08:09:34

(To those who haven't stumbled on this gem yet, a link to the inspiring photo thread is here)

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 08:12:23

Sorry about your bleeding black, that is a pain sad

NoelHeadbands Tue 29-Jan-13 08:20:57

Morning everyone

Frou thanks

Busy day here, got the auditors in eek! Hope everyone has a good un

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 08:22:09

Morning all - sorry I've not been around much.

skandi1 - I'm sorry you aren't losing as fast as you had hoped that you would. BUT you have lost weight. 3lbs = 6 packs of lard. Far better to have lost that than to have gained the same.

If you haven't already, then I seriously recommend that you do some reading about low carbing, so that you can understand how it works - for general health as well as weight loss.

As well as ensuring that your food is OK, there are three other things that I picked up from the Dr Briffa session, all of which contribute to weight gain/loss:

- sleep: are you sleeping properly? Poor sleep is caused by/can provoke release of stress hormones, which cause inflammation, which cause weight gain

- light/sunshine: it's unlikely you're getting much of this at the moment! The critical thing here is your Vitamin D levels. Most of us don't get any/anywhere near enough in this country. Do you take a Vitamin D supplement? If not, get yourself a high dosage supplement, one which has Vitamin D3. (There won't be enough in a multi-vitamin, you want one that's at least 1000iu. Vitabiotics make one that Boots sell).

You can also amplify this by trying to get outside for a period of time everyday - even though we don't get much sunshine - a 20 minute walk at lunchtime, for example

- stress: this one is really hard to avoid, but when we are under stress the body produces stress hormones, which impact negatively on our weight. Relaxation techniques, yoga, pilates, etc could all help here.

And make sure that you really are following the rules - plenty of fat (should be the highest component of your diet), protein and then carbs. Carbs only from veg/salad, and not from any processed foods. Lots of water.

Exercise doesn't necessarily help, and can even cause you to gain weight - exercise makes you hungry so you eat more. It's great for general well-being, though, and things like High Intensity Intermittent Exercise or High Intensity Interval Training can help with weight loss - but overall, exercise is not essential for weight loss.

I would seriously, seriously, seriously suggest that you give up the dairy - even if it's just for a week. You say you've only just given up cheese, so it could still be an issue for you.

And finally, why don't you try keeping a detailed food diary for the next week - list everything you have been eating and drinking, and then post it here or send it to me if you would prefer (PM me for my e-mail address) and I'll see if I can help you more.

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 08:28:10

Kerry - will craft a proper reply to you later, but have to go gym/work right now. But chin up.

And why is your DP trying to do LC and low fat?! What is his thinking behind this? Far better for him to do what you're doing.

slatternlymother Tue 29-Jan-13 08:53:02

Hi everyone, sorry for short response yesterday, just catching up with you all now.

Although I gained this week, weighed myself this morning and I've lost it all! Mind you, it's a fair price to pay seeing as I was off work yesterday afternoon with a horrific migrane. Fuzzy eyes, nausea, the bloody lot. Doctor told me to rest today, and I think my boss was a bit hmm about that but tough. I'm taking it easy today. I've never had a migrane before, and by God, I never want another one sad Huge sympathy to anyone who has them regularly.

Having steak and M&S ready peppercorn sauce tonight, and the sauce only has 1.6g of carbs in per 100g! Yaaaay!

catinboots Tue 29-Jan-13 09:02:37


I have woken up with spots shockshock

It's all the water I think - hopefully should clear within a few days.


B: cinnamon pancakes

L: pork steaks with paprika celeriac chips and watercress

D: Creamy pepper chicken with buttered baby broccoli

Will post pics later this afternoon

Kiriwawa Tue 29-Jan-13 09:18:27

Hello all - I posted on week 3 and didn't really clock there was already a week 4!

I've gained 2lbs which isn't surprising given the massively boozy weekend I had so I'm pleased it's not more! I rarely go out but it was my best friend's birthday so I'm glad I let my hair down even if it did slow things down

Back on the wagon now for at least another week - I have no evening plans for ages now so I have no excuses for slip ups in future.

I made a really lovely cauli and leek gratin last night adapted from a Martha Stewart recipe - I will post it on the recipe thread

skandi1 Tue 29-Jan-13 09:32:58

Val. yes kids do knacker your tummy area! And your sleep house etc smile

BIWI. I have done some reading up on low carb to understand what foods best to eat to get the most out of it.

I have also read Briffas book as well as others like Zoe Harcombe.

Yes it's 3 lbs lost but they were in the first week and nothing since then. That is what I don't understand.

Sadly on the sleep front I am seriously deprived. My 18mo DS can have me up anything up to 10 times a night (yes tried CC, no cry sleep method everything short of drugging him!) and a good night is 5 broken hours. Most is less than 4. I feel permanently fuzzy and hungover. Some days it's so bad a can't string a sentence together and I can't risk going out in the car because I would fall asleep at the wheel.

I do get fresh air and a walk. I take the DC to the park most days. And I take a Vit D supplement.

I have cut down on dairy a lot and will cut more. I will have another go at coffee with almond milk but it wasn't nice. I need the caffeine hits <stares hard at DS>

Stress. Tick that one. A few different things but big ones that I have no control over. Can't really go into it without outing myself.

Sloppelganger. I do suffer from diastisis as well but I have worked on it and my gap is down to 3 fingers. Besides my tummy doesn't go flat when I lie on my back. Tis a lard mountain <attractive>

Blackaffronted. Yes it's 3 lbs off but those were lost in the first week and I have lost nothing since then at all. Sadly.

I was clinging onto hope that the lack of progress was lack of exercise but if lack of sleep is the cause then I am beyond help.

skandi1 Tue 29-Jan-13 09:38:51

Oh and BiWI thanks for offering assistance on the food diary. I will post it on here and hopefully something will reveal itself grin

I really don't want to be Boot camp dunce any more. <off to sit on naughty step>

Bessie123 Tue 29-Jan-13 09:43:25

skandi are you sure there isn't a reason behind your ds' poor sleeping? I only ask because my ds was 1 before we realised he had silent reflux and he was intolerant of dairy, soya and eggs. he kept waking up all through the night because his tummy hurt. Of course we felt dreadfully guilty that he had been so uncomfortable for so long. He started sleeping through the night not long after we cut the foods out of his diet. It took about 3 or 4 months for him to be able to have dairy and soya again. He still has slight problems with dairy but no tummy aches etc any more. He still can't have more than about a quarter of an egg though.

PostBellumBugsy Tue 29-Jan-13 09:47:52

Kerry - useful things to have in the cupboard /fridge to help make this WOE easier are:

tins of salmon / tuna / sardines etc
Big jar of mayo
packets of sliced ham / beef / chicken
Frozen spinach, cauliflower & any other permissable frozen veg you like
Salady stuff

Apart from the salady stuff, most of the rest is fairly long lasting & means that you always have a meal on hand - even if it is just scrambled egg, chopped ham & salad!

Doshusallie Tue 29-Jan-13 09:49:01

hugs to Skandi - I do feel for you - that was rude in the restaurant. sad Why don't people just keep their mouths shut?

Anyone see Lorraine this morning while they were working at home? Personal trainer on there saying you should start your day with a protein breakfast such as an omelette, not coco pops or Special K. Whoop!

Doshusallie Tue 29-Jan-13 09:51:28

I'd avoid bags of salad tbh - they are expensive, don't last long, and they put all sorts of crap in them.

We have become big fans of those baby gem lettuces that are easy to shred in a salad but also are a handy shape for putting things in....

skandi1 Tue 29-Jan-13 09:59:01

Bessie123. He wasn't always a bad sleeper. In fact he was a dream when he was really small. He became mobile at 5.5 months and as soon as he was mobile the poor sleeping started.

He just wants to go go go all the time. His trick this past week is to try and drop his nap despite only being 18mo and clearly needs it as he is so tired he can barely stand by the end of the day.

We have been to GP to look for underlying causes but he doesn't have any allergies or intolerances.

He gets fresh air every day and is stimulated with activities but not too many.

He gets good home cooked nutritional organic food. I buy from Waitrose and get Abel and cole veg and fruit boxes.

He has a fully established routine (set meal and bed times etc).

He has been treated exactly the same as DD was. Only she was a brilliant sleeper from 6 months onwards and still is.

When he wakes in the night he wants to get up and play and screams the place down when told its still sleepy time. So not only am I up but I also have to listen to unbearably loud wailing. Argh.

DangerousMouse Tue 29-Jan-13 10:03:26

Good Morning all, I have just added my weight - I couldn't do it yesterday as we had visitors and the guest room en suite has the scales in. I am 3lb down, so very pleased with that and it marks 1 stone loss in total.

My DP is half a lb up this week, but he had a major pig out at the weekend on Haagen Daaz at the restaurant and a whole host of carby food at DS birthday party. He's back to bootcamp for 2 weeks now!

LavenderBriggs Tue 29-Jan-13 10:04:33

Morning all. I've read that some of us are having an issue with becoming a bit bunged up. I had this in the first couple of weeks and felt horribly bloated and it all felt a bit slow moving (I'm trying to be delicate here, but if anyone else is constipated and feels as if they have rocks in their tum, they will understand).

I bought a couple of packs of Linwood flaxseed. Oh dear lord. A teaspoon of flaxseed and some extra glasses of water and the world is a very different place. I now skip out of the loo, big smile on my face and eyes slightly wider than usual - sort of a happy shocked face. And - my tum is the flattest it's ever been.

Hope this is a tiny bit of help as you lot have helped me so much. I'm now going to check out the recipe thread before I get my shopping done.

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 10:07:14

Skandi sorry, I just saw your post, I was shock at the restaurant comment. What idiots!

And flowers about the sleep. I suffered from insomnia for years - so my lack of sleep wasn't caused by an external factor e.g. DC, but very frustrating. Am still susceptible, last night being a case in point. My sympathies sad

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 10:07:23

Oh skandi, I really do feel for you sad lack of sleep is a killer, its what has put me off having any more kids, and mine were nowhere near as bad as your DS. You have tried everything I would have suggested, so no advice at all. I can only hope that he changes for you, and soon!

thenightsky Tue 29-Jan-13 10:09:09

*Before I had my DC I was very slim and had never been on a diet. Within 8 weeks of falling pregnant with my first I blew up like a balloon and just got fatter and fatter. No change in what I ate just changes in my body's metabolism.

I have a whole wardrobe of beautiful clothes I am too fat to wear and I miss looking smart*

Scandi This is me too!

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 10:10:10

Lavender I love, love Linwoods flaxseed. I have the one with goji berries. Not sure quite what goji berries achieve, but apparently they're good for me smile. I sprinkle it on my FF yoghurt. (I even posted a pic of this on the photo thread!)

Glad you're 'moving' again.

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 10:14:56

"guest room en suite" <tries not to be jealous> what I wold give for my own en suite grin Well done on the loss though DM!

Lavender, you have reminded me that the last time I tried a LC woe, I would nibble on flaxseed, and never had toilet troubles. Back to Holland & Barrett I go!

DH is off work today, and is currently in the kitchen making me some bacon, eggs & mushrooms smile Im just back from the butchers with 3 bags of fresh meat - slow roasted belly pork for dinner tonight!

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 10:15:37

Where do you get Linwoods flaxseed?

LavenderBriggs Tue 29-Jan-13 10:16:07

NoveltySlippers I have the goji one too! <far too excited face> I put a nip of cocoa powder in it and have it in my soya yoghurt. I love that I can literally watch it expand in the yoghurt.

I tried to explain the feeling to DH and mentioned glaciers carving their way down valleys - he has a big supply of patient smiles and he got through quite a few of them.

LavenderBriggs Tue 29-Jan-13 10:16:43

BlackAffronted You can buy it online or in health food shops.

DangerousMouse Tue 29-Jan-13 10:17:36

Sorry, didn't mean to sound la de dah. The guest room is downstairs and joins our main bathroom, we have a small bathroom upstairs also <feels the need to justify>

Just put an order in for some flaxseed, not having any poo problems, but it seems to have a lot of nutrients.

DangerousMouse Tue 29-Jan-13 10:18:14

I've ordered the linwood flaxseed from amazon, its got free delivery.

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 10:20:50

Yes, if you google benefits of flaxseed, so much stuff comes up.

Lavender I know what you mean about it expanding! smile

Black Yes, I get mine from Holland & Barratt.

Ruprekt Tue 29-Jan-13 10:23:40

Skandi - I think we all need to help you sort out ds's sleeping. helpful grin

This is what I would do and did.

So be busy all morning. Lunch at 12. Go to park and make him run! Run, run, run. Put him for nap at 1.30pm. Wake him at 2pm. Then busy busy busy again. More running!

(As mum of 2 boys, my mantra has always been that 'boys are like dogs and need lots of exercise every day!)

Dinner at 5.30pm. Warm bath at 6.30pm. Warm milk. Story. Into bed by 7pm.

THEN DO NOT LET HIM OUT OF HIS ROOM AGAIN. If he is full, clean and not ill with allergies or whatever then there is no reason why he should not sleep.

Try the controlled crying again. And get DH on board. Ignore as much as you can.

Hope you don't feel I am being cruel or telling you what to do but this worked for me and the thought of being sleep deprived would ackshully kill me.


NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 10:26:39

Dangerous yes, I don't have 'movement' problems either - maybe it's cos of all the flaxseed! I take it to make sure I stay that way, especially on this WOE. And I'm hoping getting lots of antioxidant benefits from the goji berries.

skandi1 Tue 29-Jan-13 10:35:27

Nightsky. Solidarity!!! At least I am not the only one. Everyone I know in RL all "snapped back" and haven't been left with tummies 4 sizes bigger than the rest of them.

Thanks everyone for support. It helps!

Bad night with DS so no breakfast so far. I just can't face anything other than nice hot chamomile tea with coconut oil.

I am feeling stressed today because DH is away overseas on business for 4 days and has just phoned to tell me that he has booked decorators who start TOMORROW at 7 for 3 and a half weeks!!!

We had lots of work done during the summer (new kitchen an two bathrooms) and lots of decorating needs doing in the rest of the house.

But why did he need to book it just now!?

This means I have to pack stuff in boxes and put in basement and clear out several rooms upstairs today and cover furniture in plastic sheeting.

My choices are either to do this with the DC ripping at everything and whining or wait till they have gone to bed tonight. Argh.

As far as DH is concerned right now, my thoughts are somewhere between divorce and muderous! Grrrr. It couldn't wait till he was back and he "forgot" to tell me at the weekend (when h could have helped). This decorating has needing doing since September and I have had all the paint sitting waiting but he had to organise it right now. Nob.

PostBellumBugsy Tue 29-Jan-13 10:38:12

Linseeds/flaxseeds are fantastic. I take a teaspoon of ground flaxseed everyday & I am never constipated.

Skandi, really feel for you. Lack of sleep is so, so awful in so many ways. Another vote for controlled crying too. I did it with DS when he was 15 months, as I was in real danger of killing us all when I drove the car (had 2 very near misses), because I was so tired. I went in that room every 2 minutes for over 3 hours the first night I did it, for nearly an hour the second night & 20 mins the 3rd night & never looked back thereafter!!!!! DS is 13 now & we have a great relationship & he definitely doesn't hold a grudge that I seized the initiative and found a way for both of us to get a night's sleep. grin. Took a tougher line with no 2 as well and after 9 months just never got into the awful patterns I had done with DS & it saved me from going through prolonged exhaustion again.

skandi1 Tue 29-Jan-13 10:40:17

grin At Ruprekt!

Boys are like dogs. Indeed. DS put in face into the bowl of cereal this morning to eat it. So yes.

I do get him to run about. Perhaps more fresh air? A pen in the garden.

He doesn't come out of his room after bedtime. No matter how much he wails.

I suspect I will have to listen to more wailing before this gets better !!

PennyHofstadter Tue 29-Jan-13 10:49:09

Hi All, marking my place on the new thread. Well done to everyone with their losses this past week... I have to admit to eating two very bad meals at the weekend and therefore I've had carb bloat for the last two days and I haven't weighed myself because I don't want to look at the scales. So back to bootcamp for me! What's even more galling is that I didn't even enjoy one of the meals. Three weeks ago I would have loved it but after three weeks of no sugar everything just tasted sweet and artificial. At least I won't crave it in the future!

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 10:49:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

halfthesize Tue 29-Jan-13 10:50:02

skandi I really feel for you sleep deprivation is awful, still having problems with my DS2 who is about to turn 4. Like you my other 2 DC were dreams and I have done everything the same. However, my youngest did have problems health wise for the 1st 12 months re feeding so wonder if it has stemmed from therehmm Things are alot better now but doesnt take much to put us back in a bad cycle..
Good luck x

slatternlymother Tue 29-Jan-13 11:03:13

skandi I can't offer any advice, because my DS was a really good sleeper and so I can't begin to comprehend what you're going through sad

Flaxseed eh? I think I might try some...

Very pleased that my 'weekend weight' has come off, and I tell you what; the carbs weren't half as good as what I remembered confused

LavenderBriggs Tue 29-Jan-13 11:08:37

BlackAffronted your link goes to your BTinternet log-in.

hillyhilly Tue 29-Jan-13 11:09:04

I'm finding that I'm getting light headed late morning after a breakfast of 2 scrambled eggs on one slice of burgen. It makes me queasy to add cheese etc to the eggs and I'm not hungry now but feel a bit "low sugar".
Anyone else finding this? Any advice please, I don't really feel like tucking into a bit of cheese or meat right now. Might have a couple of prunes as I had problems with constipation last time I low carbed.

PlatoonBuffoon Tue 29-Jan-13 11:10:37

skandi I feel your pain, I also am not seeing movement on the scales despite being a boot camp swot. The other benefits of LC are keeping me going but I'm getting rather irritated.

I am going to give cod liver oil a go - lots of vitimin D and I've heard it can help kick start weight loss when following a LC diet because of the fatty acid content. Don't know if this is anecdotal or whether there is science behind it but worth a go?

This link has more info. I know it's Lance Armstrong's site, and we don't trust him any longer but it was the best one I could find!


Perhaps we could form our len little dunce's experiment with n=2.

Also going to watch my portion size and try to really concentrate on whether I'm hungry before eating.

Apart from that, I guess I'm going to keep the faith and hope for the LC magic to start very soon. It feels unfair because I'm trying so hard and I'm sure it must feel the same way for you.

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 11:10:42

Im not with BTinternet, how weird!

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 11:11:29

Dont anyone click that link, its acting strange! Ill ask MN to delete it.

coldethyl Tue 29-Jan-13 11:12:08

skandi sleep deprivation is a killer. I was very smug about my sleeping children and their routine until DS3 was born, who is truly dreadful. He's also just dropping his nap and so is a nightmare from about 3pm onwards and spends all afternoon whining. Then he gets up several times overnight, and is up again at 6 for the day to start whining again <end of tether approaching>.

froufrou, I'm sorry for your loss.

I'm not sure I can keep going with this WOE. Everything is getting on top of me (particularly with the sleep thing) and other long-term stresses in my life and I realised this morning as I bribed DS3 with a bun as big as his head (for being a good boy at the market) that I want one on Tuesday too because it's my reward for surviving the shopping and not abandoning DS, the pushchair and the backpack in the middle of the High Street and running away screaming or muttering. I know it's not healthy. I'm definitely not hungry. I just WANT A BUN.

Pity party over. In other news, I had to Have Words with the junior school this morning over food / health / eating messages that are coming out. DD had a school lunch yesterday - I knew it was pizza and said she could have it as a treat, but I was not expecting it to be served with mashed potato and bread. You couldn't make it up.

Then, DS was asked in class what his favourite healthy food was. He said he liked roast beef and other meat. He was told meat wasn't healthy, he should be eating strawberries and kiwis. In the UK, in January. I despair, I really do. I have mentioned that sometimes teachers and TAs say things from a position of no knowledge and that he can always disagree in his head, or politely out loud.

PlatoonBuffoon Tue 29-Jan-13 11:12:39

own experiment. Predictive text fail!

LavenderBriggs Tue 29-Jan-13 11:20:02

You're just going to have to tell us which one you got smile

slatternlymother Tue 29-Jan-13 11:22:04

hillyhilly can you add smoked salmon?

Sympathy coming your way coldethyl, you can do it.

Ruprekt Tue 29-Jan-13 11:32:16

Skandi - yes to putting up with more wailing. But if he wails early evening you can deal with it. 3am is more difficult.

No naps after 2pm. MAKE HIM TIRED. He has just got into the habit of waking up and you going to him and he needs to settle himself.

When you do go to him (but try not to) do not make eye contact or speak to him.

You can do this. smile

Iamaslummymummy Tue 29-Jan-13 11:38:07

This is my week 5 and I haven't weighed in yet as sorry for tmi, I'm having a constipation problem blush hopefully dulcolax will sort me out later and I can weigh tomorrow!

Dh keeps admiring himself in the mirrorgrin saying look how my waist goes in!

Any ideason what to cook with venison chorizo that dh picked up?

Woolfey Tue 29-Jan-13 12:19:46

Skandi - DD1 was similar with sleep problems so I know how bad sleep deprivation can make you feel sad

I'm sure you've tried it already but just in case I thought I'd mention the only thing that worked for DD1 was having the sound of the sea/waves playing all night. She is 2 now and no longer needs it but it worked wonders at the time.

mumat39 Tue 29-Jan-13 12:36:31

Skandi, does he sleep in a grow bag? Dd once mobile would wake in the night a lot, mostly because her blankets had been kicked off. The grow bag worked amazingly well for us.

Also, dream feeds at about 10.30 meant I didn't have to wake in the night for a feed. Dd was on formula at that stage so easier than bf.


BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 12:53:45

Making prawn & courgette balls with a sour cream dip for lunch, will see how it turns out!

A grocer in town has starting doing deliveries, and I have just ordered the "soup in a bag" - you get a brown bag with all the ingredients & a recipe to make amazing soups. This weeks are Red Pepper & Lime (which sounds too carby) and Broccoli, courgette & basil - so I ordered one. Hope it tastes as good as it sounds!

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 12:55:35

prawn & courgette recipe here if anyone is interested. I have no capers, so I am making a different dip for mine.

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 13:00:15


I'm finding that I'm getting light headed late morning after a breakfast of 2 scrambled eggs on one slice of burgen.

Why are you eating bread? This isn't on Bootcamp! And are you adding fat to your eggs?

It makes me queasy to add cheese etc to the eggs

Well eat something else! Try bacon and mushrooms fried in butter, or full fat yoghurt with some vanilla extract - but eat something fatty

and I'm not hungry now but feel a bit "low sugar".

What does this mean? Do you mean you're feeling shaky/irritable? Are you new to low carbing - if so, this could be the carb flu. Eat something - a piece of cheese or a hard boiled egg. Drink lots of water and eat plenty of fat.

Might have a couple of prunes as I had problems with constipation last time I low carbed.

Please don't do this. They are really carby. If you are getting your carbs from veg/salad, eating plenty of fat and drinking lots of water then you shouldn't be constipated. And it sounds like you're anticipating it rather than actually suffering from it!

ScaredySquirrel Tue 29-Jan-13 13:01:21

omg I just read your post BIWI about sleep deprivation. i weigh in on a Saturday and was very happy with my loss. Then I had a horrendous weekend with dd who had a febrile convulsion and was taken to hospital (only 8 months old) so I had no sleep over the weekend. Admittedly I did resort to carbs while I was in hospital, but not that many. Anyway, weighed myself this morning and I was up 4lb on my Saturday weight shock

now being very strict again. and dh is doing the nights with dd from now on I think!

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 13:02:01

And those of you buying the flaxseed with goji berries - have you checked the carbs? Goji berries are really high carb - 21g per 100g

Hello! Well yesterday I appeared to be 2lbs down but knew it could be dehydration from a few drinks on sunday. Turns out it prob was as Im 2lbs back up to 9stone. (Probably shouldnt have weighed again but I wanted to see if it was 'real' blush grin ) 9 stone is the weight I always always stick at. I thought Id been doing really well - lots of water, no more than 3 coffees a day and only one 'blip' for the whole 4 weeks (and maybe 5 cos I started a week before you lot) which was on friday when I said a had a couple of oatcakes/whatever with some cheese. Im having fat with everything, not eating too much cheese, getting enough sleep and Im not stressed. I walk for at least half an hour a day, sometimes more - today I walked an extra half an hour as I had things to do in town.

Tmi but I havent 'been' blush yet today, and thats not helping!

Am I just 'meant' to be 9st??

LavenderBriggs Tue 29-Jan-13 13:05:25

Have checked - it's around 1g of carbs per 'less than a teaspoon'. I don't have the 30g they recommend as I'm scared of exploding.

Woolfey Tue 29-Jan-13 13:11:02

Newby with another question here...just wondering if I can use marmite in cooking a mince dish but can't work it out as I'm not sure what 'too carby' is. Is there a limit per 100g we're supposed to stay under?

I don't want to add hidden carbs by adding things to my meals like Marmite, soysauce, worcester sauce, tomato puree etc. Is it ok if I use a small amount? (I'm taking a guess that Teryaki sauce/marinade is a nono as it's quite sweet.)

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 13:26:09

BIWI In defence of the Linwoods flaxseed and goji berries mix - the carb amounts are very minimal when you consider how little you use.

You just put a sprinkle on things. I put one teaspoon on my yoghurt - so this equates to less than 0.8g carbs. It's really not enough to derail you, and this is a low carb not a no carb diet. (Of course, if you were to go mad and ladle on tablespoons full of the stuff, it could add up. But my daily teaspoon is fine.)

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 13:31:15

Hmm. OK ...

NoveltySlippers Tue 29-Jan-13 13:36:39

<goes to back of class>

Iamaslummymummy Tue 29-Jan-13 13:44:26

Just sprinkled my teaspoon on my ff Greek yogurtgrin

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 13:53:05

Hi Wolfey

Marmite is 19.2g carbs per 100g - but that's an awful lot of Marmite! Per 4g serving, which I'm guessing is enough to scrape on a piece of toast, it's 0.8g carbs. So I would have thought you would be fine, but just be aware of the carb count and how much you're using. As a point of comparison, if you were to use an Oxo cube in your mince I think that's around 1.8g carbs.

There is no daily limit, because everyone responds differently to carbs. On Bootcamp I would say, on average, we're probably aiming to eat around 20-30g carbs per day; on Bootcamp Light probably around 40-60g. But you have to find what level works best for you.

I don't advocate counting carbs, because I think this makes it unnecessary faffy. As long as the majority of your carbs are coming from veg/salad, and from those that are 3g carbs per 100g, you should be fine.

You make a very good point about how easy it is to create carb creep by adding flavourings to our food. Be aware of the carb counts - and always check the label!

Woolfey Tue 29-Jan-13 14:06:44

Thanks BIWI. One of the reasons this appealed to me is because there isn't any counting. I just need to educate myself on how many carbs things have in them and how much is too much so I know what to be careful of. thanks smile

thekitchenfairy Tue 29-Jan-13 14:07:38

Skandi your story could be mine with my DS2, if I may offer a couple of things that really helped me...

Exercise definitely, but I found doing anything too busy late in the afternoon would make him overtired at bedtime.

i swapped evening milk for a huge bowl of porridge or warm weetabix with banana, and gave him a time to,play quietly in his room before a story, 4 yrs later this still works!

When he was 2-ish I left soft books, cube toy etc in with him to fiddle about with, zero eye contact or chat from me if he woke or he would pounce on the opportunity to ask questions or shout at me. Grrrr!

The first sleepless period saw him eventually being diagnosed with a wee infection, he does seem prone and they do make him restless. now he is older he can tell me about the tummy ache that only comes at night.

Good luck, brew brew for you.

Rollergirl1 Tue 29-Jan-13 14:12:22

GuyMartins: I experience pretty much exactly the same in that I can't seem to get below 9 stone in the last 6 years since I had my children. I used to be 8 stone pre kids and while I don't expect to see that on the scales again, it would be nice to get a little lower.

I too wonder if this is just my body's natural weight now.

Also, once again prob tmi, but I would say that I am also a little constipated. I have never been the most regular person and would go so far as to say that I probably suffer from IBS. But at the moment I am probably going about every 2 to 3 days. I am drinking around 4litres of water a day and eating tons of veg so don't think I am doing anything wrong. I have actually wondered if it might be the fact that I have reduced the amount of builders tea (with ss milk) I am consuming during the course of a day. I always used to find that having a cup of tea helps me to go to the loo..blush

Feeling thoroughly nauseous and digusted with myself after accepting a little bit of my boss' birthday cake. Seriously, felt so sick that I had to go walk around outside and do a bit of deep breathing. I hope this means that my body no longer wants stuff like that! It was about 1/4 of a slice so am going to down my bodyweight (and that's a LOT) in water this afternoon and hope it doesn't cause too much damage blush

Rollergirl1 grin @ you and your builders tea... I had a coffee this afternoon for that very same reason blush

yes it worked

Id rather be 8 and a half stone really, will keep on it I guess!

PennyHofstadter Tue 29-Jan-13 15:05:19

After the weekends over indulgence todays menu is...

B - hard boiled egg, 2 rashers of bacon, a few spoons of FF yogurt
L - ham salad with avocado and small cubes of cheese with oily dressing
D - homemade turkey burgers, mince, shallots, chilli, salt and pepper with flat mushrooms

Snack - celery and FF Philadelphia, hard boiled egg.

I'm on my 3rd litre of water. Had 1 cup of tea and 1 of coffee, no milk in the coffee.

I am finding myself relying on cheese for snacks and also to add a bit of flavour (I love smelly cheeses). Possibly need to cut this down a bit.

Ilisten2theradio Tue 29-Jan-13 15:11:14

I have to smile at all the linseeds. I was commenting about needing them last week blush but they work!
Littlemissstan was the sick feeling disgust that you had slipped up or from the sweetness of the cake?
I am wondering as I just made a cake for somone else and absentmindedly licked my finger after I had scraped the spoon off into the tin. Boy was it sweet! - I only had the tiniest amount and I needed to get a drink of water.
Its scary how fast your taste buds adapt to this low sugar. I would never have previously believed it.

NoelHeadbands Tue 29-Jan-13 15:22:22

skandi you sound so down, I wish I could wave a magic wand for you

Busy day today so wolfed a couple of sausages for breakfast and scraped out the innards of a roast chicken and bacon sandwich for lunch. Yum yum eh hmm

Will make up for it tonight with a ton of slow cooked beef stew and a mound of buttered cabbage. With extra butter grin

Ilisten from the sweetness - it was very chocolatey and just made me feel ill!

skandi1 Tue 29-Jan-13 15:46:05

Halfthesize, mumat, kitchen fairy,woolfey, Ruprekt, coldethyl, slatternly, Noel. Thanks all for help support and suggestions.

Platoon. grin At dunce club.

Noel. Yes I am down today. Trying to clear two rooms upstairs in readiness for decorators tomorrow. DC are squabbling. And DH is larging it up 5 star style in Paris for most of the week interrupted only with the occasional phone call to issue demands. I am seething at him just now.

I have cried in front of the DC today. Just miserable.

Just want my bed and sleep without hearing from DS.

He is in a gro bag. And has no excuses for weakening up and wailing. It's become a habit now and it's because once he has had 5/6 hrs of sleep (circa 1 am onwards). He wants up to play. I have tried drinks of water milk etc but its a habit.

I guess shutting the door on him and letting wail is probably the answer. At 18 months old he really shouldn't be flapping around half the night.

skandi i have no children so next to useless to you, but i would like to give you a cuddle!

skandi1 Tue 29-Jan-13 16:03:23

Willie. Thanks. If you like I'll lend you my DC for a little while wink

PennyHofstadter Tue 29-Jan-13 16:03:54

Oh Skandi, I have no children either so have no suggestions and everything sounds trite but I wish you all the very best.

Ruprekt Tue 29-Jan-13 16:08:22

Just let him wail.

He will be fine but the anti CC people might be along to contradict! smile

Have thanks brew and a stick of celery with FF cheese. smile

Bessie123 Tue 29-Jan-13 16:12:24

I a quite anti cc but I would definitely be doing it if my ds wasn't sleeping by 18 months - so exhausting, skandi1 you must feel like you're going insane

halfthesize Tue 29-Jan-13 16:15:43

skandi ((((hugs))))

halfthesize Tue 29-Jan-13 16:18:00

You know skandi you have to do what is right for you and your family/sanity.

I have to say the no talking/eye contact is suppose to be very effective. Is there anyone who could take the DC for a night to give you a well earned break?

I have today allowed to put my weight on, which should have been done yesterday. It does now show a small loss, which i can live with rather than the apparant gain!

Ruprekt Tue 29-Jan-13 16:34:30

I have just had a packet of pork scratchings/hog bites.

Yummy but expensive at 99p per crisp packet size.

What else could I snack on that is crisp like?

Skandi- sending hugs. Can't add any more advice but can hold your hand to get through it

B 2 boiled eggs and mayo
L celeriac leek and courgette soup
S lump of cheese
Am out with friends tonight but will be good tonight and no alcohol as driving

halfthesize Tue 29-Jan-13 16:48:28

willie could you add me back on the spreadsheet please, I forgot to update so dropped off, thankyouwink

coldethyl Tue 29-Jan-13 17:55:01

skandi, this is going to sound really bonkers, but DS3's sleeping has recently improved with the addition of a wet flannel on the radiator every night. I think central heating and cold weather together have been waking him up thirsty with a blocked nose. It can't hurt to try!

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 18:09:48

Ruprekt, do you have a Home Bargains? They do bags of pork scratchings for 29p a bag. I make my own now, using pork skin from Morrisons (80p for 3 rolls).

Ruprekt Tue 29-Jan-13 18:19:05

Not got Home Bargains but could look in the pound shop.

Am a bit obsessed with crackling now AfterYearsOfAvoidingItCosOfBloodyWW

Might pop to Morrisons and buy pork skin.

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 18:42:11

Ruprekt - if you've got the flax seed, make the cracker recipe I posted on the recipe thread - they will really satisfy your need for crunch and savoury/salt!

Kerry - sorry it's taken me so long to get to you!

Let me take your points one by one and tell you what I would do:

1. Visited friend who had cooked creamy pasta lunch and apple crumble for me (I really didn't feel I could refuse when she had made such an effort).

In a situation like this, there really isn't much you can do unless you want to lose all your friends! However, if you know you're going to eat at someone's house, please try and make sure you have told them not just that you are low carbing but also, very explicitly, what this means you can and can't eat. If they are really good friends, they will understand and want to help you. If you find that you can't bring yourself to tell them (why?) then the only other strategy is to eat before you go, and then eat as little as possible when you get there!

2. Struggling with meal planning for me (LC), DP (low fat and low carb, weirdo!), kids ('normal' meals) and baby (BLW). It's just taking so much bloody effort to figure out what everyone can have!

No need for this. The kids can eat what you are eating - just throw a couple of potatoes at them if you really must. No reason why the baby shouldn't BLW with whatever you are eating - it isn't toxic! And your DP shouldn't be eating low fat anyway, so he can eat what you are having! grin All of this should make meal planning much easier. But on this WOE you do have to plan ahead - you make it much harder for yourself if you don't.

3. Shopping - we ran out of suitable foods and had no time to go shopping with such a busy weekend.

Meal planning! Make sure you always have eggs/bacon/cheese in the fridge, and always have something appropriate in the freezer

4. Struggling to find the time to cook. So much LC is cook from scratch. I've had loads of veg go in the bin because I haven't had time to prepare it in between baby care etc. I've been having a lot of leeks as they're quick in the microwave, but got sick of them and ended up just having meat.

Again, this is all part of the planning ahead. Make sure you're choosing meals that are simple to prepare - a chicken, for example, can just be chucked in the oven, with another oven tray full of veg that can be roasted - e.g. cauliflower, shallots, courgettes, fennel. Can your DP not help out here?

4. Boozey weekend for someone's birthday, followed by hangover and a craving for dirty KFC (and no alternative food in the house). <no excuse for this one!

Boozy weekends/evenings will always happen. It's up to you just how boozy they are. Dr Briffa's advice here is to alternate each drink with a glass of water. And make sure you're drinking the right kind of alcohol - vodka, lime and soda is far, far, far more preferable than anything else. And whatever you do, DON'T DRINK BEER, LAGER, CIDER OR ALCOPOPS! Even if you do give in and you have too much to drink, you must absolutely not give into the cravings for something like KFC. It's utterly, utterly pointless and will only lead to further sabotage.

All of this is making me think, how can this be sustainable as there are always circumstances which make it tricky - eg being cooked for, eating in a restaurant, celebrations, finding food when out etc. And if it's not the kind of WOE where you can dip in and out like you can with others, then there's no point?

Yes, there are always times when it's impossible to low carb. The key here, though, is not to stress about it, but to accept that these will happen because this is a way of life. You will never be able to do it 100% of the time - life just isn't like that. The more you stress about it, the more depressed you will make yourself! Go with the flow, make sure you do it mindfully, and enjoy it. Then follow it up with a couple of superstrict days, and drink lots of water.

It's critical that you allow your body to switch fully from carb-burning to fat-burning, which is the whole point of the first two strict weeks of Bootcamp. One your body has become ketogenically-adapted, it will be able to deal with these kinds of falls off the wagon.

I'm stressed and sleep deprived and feeling very low. Please kick my arse.

I'm not really going to kick your arse, because it's obvious that you're very low and very stressed about it. But - ultimately all of this is up to you. If you don't plan ahead, you will fall off the wagon. If you give into the food cravings after a boozy night out, you will sabotage things and pile the weight back on.

I have been doing this now for a year. It's taken me all that time to lose 2 stones. But, I have had a year where I've been away for two long weekends with DH, and haven't low carbed. A fortnight's holiday which was a bit of a carb fest. A business trip to Athens for a week where I fell off the wagon. I have drunk alcohol every weekend, and many times during the week. Yes, I could have lost it quickly if I'd been really, really strict. But my life just isn't like that. If I'd tried to be strict all the time, I would have ended up resentful and would probably no longer be low carbing, but just putting back all the weight I had lost. Lapses like this are what keep me going!

The other thing that keeps me going is all the reading I've done about low carbing, and the knowledge that it is a much healthier way to be eating. If you haven't already, I seriously, seriously recommend that you read Dr Briffa's book "Escape the Diet Trap". Actually, your DP should read it as well, so that he can understand why he shouldn't be doing low fat!

Good luck, and I hope you're feeling a bit better soon.

ShebaQueen Tue 29-Jan-13 19:12:47

Evening all, what a miserable dull day, but so mild. Have a rotten headache but am cheering up at the thought of dinner which is chicken with a mushroom sauce and cauliflower "rice". Planning to make some soup later so that I can freeze it in batches.

I enjoyed your pep talk for Kerry Biwi.

BlackAffronted Tue 29-Jan-13 19:20:53

sugar-free sweets, whats the take on these?

TheEarlyBird Tue 29-Jan-13 19:21:31

ase tell me if I have eaten too much sad 2 x Babybel, small portion of leftover chicken and sausage stew and, for dinner, 6 golf ball sized meatballs (homemade) with a green salad. Feel almost uncomfortably stuffed.

doesn't sound like too much earlybird, though possibly not enough veg (depends on contents of stew and size of salad), but don't feel you have to force yourself to eat once you feel satiated

halfthesize you're back on there, my love

Just had the most delicious beef meatballs with griddled aubergine, yum! And lots and lots more water to try and flush out this morning's cakey error...

QuickLookBusy Tue 29-Jan-13 20:08:42

Skandi, sorry you're having such a tough time. Dd2 was exactly like your DS, I couldn't do CC, as I tried it with dd1 and it didn't work for us.
In the end we put DD2s bed in our room, it was drastic but worked. We all got a good nights sleep from the first night, she slept right through. We only did it for about 6 months but it saved my sanity.

Today's food
B-yoghurt and berries
L-salad and cheese
D-chicken satay with stir fry veg.

Iamaslummymummy Tue 29-Jan-13 20:18:59

Low carb brownies from the recipe board. grin grin grin

Ruprekt Tue 29-Jan-13 20:28:21

B - sausage, cheesey eggs, bacon

L - broccoli and stilton soup, celery and boursain

S - hogbites, celery

D - beef meatballs fried in oil with fried celeriac and creamed spinach. FF yog with 25g blueberries.

Lots of sparkling water.

KerryKetosis Tue 29-Jan-13 20:58:22

BIWI thanks

that's really helpful.
Bad day yesterday, I need to pick myself and dust myself off. You're right, I can make all the excuses I want about how I can't lose weight blah blah blah, or I can make a decision to anticipate any problems and figure out the solutions in advance.

I have some time off tomorrow (baby allowing) and I WILL sit down and plan at least a few days for us.

Re DP, he lost a lot of weight a couple of years ago by exercising and following a LF/LC diet prescribed by a personal trainer. He eats some carbs - muesli and fruit. I think the thing is, he's worked so hard to get where he is and this is how he knows to do it. I think the thought of eating fat is kind of horrific for him! (he looks fantastic btw!)

Just as an, aside, I wonder what would happen if he switched from LF/Lower carb to HF/Very LC?

I do need to get him to read Briffa though as he's another one who thinks I'm killing myself by the medium of pork belly.

THank you thank you y'all x

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 21:16:58

killing myself by the medium of pork belly

I can think of worse ways to go! grin

Iamaslummymummy Tue 29-Jan-13 21:22:51

What do we think of [[ http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2011/08/homemade-greek-style-yogurt-part-2.html home made greeK yoghurt]] in terms of boot camp?

BIWI Tue 29-Jan-13 21:39:08

That link doesn't work for me, Iamaslummymummy - it takes me to the site, but says 'not found'

Evening all - just quickly checking in; haven't had time to catch up with all the thread but skandi hope your DS sleeps better soon - it's hideous not getting enough sleep. My DS also dropped his rest at 18 months, which is really hard work as also then one doesn't have that guilt-free window to get things done (or when very tired, have a nap).

Meals today:
B: eggs and smoked salmon
L: ARGH! Went for interview lunch and ordered the stilton soup and I just knew immediately as I tasted it that it was more potato than stilton, but couldn't not eat it as it was an interview and he had bought it for me. Damn it.
S: pate and celery
D: the most delicious chicken, celeriac, feta and spinach bake. (Original recipe was sweet potato)

Cut chicken into small pieces and brown; slice celeriac thinly; either wilt fresh spinach or get frozen spinach and defrost; squeeze out water and mix with pack of feta. Then you are also meant to fry and onion with thyme and put that into the feta mix - I was going to do leek and forgot. Layer of celeriac, layer of chicken, then all the spinach mixture, then another layer or chicken, and finally another layer of celeriac. Pour over a bit of cream and top up with stock. Bake in oven for 45 minutes. Take out and crumble mozzarella and top. Grill until cheese melted and browning. Very good.

hazchem Tue 29-Jan-13 22:29:25

So after demanding it become Monday in the UK I haven't managed to log on properly until today. I had thought I would want to come on and gloat a bit but I see that lots of you are struggling this week so no gloating from me.

Apart from the great advice that BIWI has been giving can I add how important (too me at least) it is to record honestly what I am eating. Last bootcamp i was only writing down my meals and not including my snacking! This time I'm writing everything down and it is telling that the first week or so I was eating maybe 5 or 6 times a day but the last week it is either 3 or 4 time a day.

Frou I'm sorry for your loss. I'm hoping you have lots of RL support and are being gentle to yourself.

Skandi I empathise. DS is 22 months co sleeps and breastfeeds I have been awake since 4:50 because he has been feeding of and on. We are going to do something about it but... about to move house and think we better wait until we are settled. While this WOE is not fixing the sleeping I know I have more energy because I'm not eating carbs so that is some consolation albeit not at 5am. If I find a magic solution I promise to share.

MrsHoolie Tue 29-Jan-13 23:03:23

Skandi this book saved me and helped me understand how we need to teach our children how to sleep.
It's short so won't take you long


MrsHoolie Tue 29-Jan-13 23:03:39

My first link,hope it worked!

SavoirFaire Tue 29-Jan-13 23:13:35

Bit of a disaster day for me today. Left my packed lunch at home this morning so had to buy a suitable lunch. Got a great salad from a nearby deli but I know there were things in it I should not be eating... Then met friends this evening and had a completely unecessary vodka and soda which I didn't even enjoy, and - GASP - I had 2 pieces of bread. I am quite disappointed with myself. On the plus side - I felt thin today for the first time in 4 years and happy with my body shape for the first time since having DC2. grin

B: 2 eggs and butter
L: salad, with lettuce, cucumber, 2 cherry tomatoes and - eek - humous and an unidentifable seedy thing.
D: crab pavee with salad but there was balsamic dressing (not advertised on the menu) and 2 pieces of really lovely ciabatta bread. One vodka soda.

Could have been worse I suppose.

Valdeeves Wed 30-Jan-13 01:00:38

I feel like I am always on here sooo late at night - just have a million things to do after little ones in bed.
Skandi - you feeling any better? Can't believe your DP!

Well - fast day for me - now job/house hunting simultaneous whilst looking after the kids. Craziness!

Breakfast : scrambled egg with bacon.
Lunch: no time so none - cup of tea
Dinner: oregano chicken and Parmesan courgette.
Snack: mini baby bel

Drinks - 2 litres of water.

It's interesting you all say you are constipated - I'm the opposite in a big way ( TMI - sorry!) why is that?

TheEarlyBird Wed 30-Jan-13 05:36:02

It's a numbers game for me...... This time last year I was 88 kg and 85 was my friend. Then I learned to hate 85 and fell in love with 80 and now 80 is the devil. At the moment I'm looking for 76 ..... and then I'll be chasing the hallowed 73 before finally getting to my dream number 70. Have a good day all smile

BlackAffronted Wed 30-Jan-13 06:35:36

Yesterdays menu ..

B - bacon & eggs
L - Prawn/courgette pan fry with sour cream
D - roast belly pork, cabbage cabonara & crackling
S - babybel, 4 pecans, 3 sugar free sweets (stomach pains all night after eating these sad )

Iamaslummymummy Wed 30-Jan-13 06:42:28

Half a lb on.sad still having constipationissues sad

Have been having soy flour and ground almonds though so am going to cut them this week and see what happens

NoelHeadbands Wed 30-Jan-13 07:01:07

Morning all <waves>

Had a couple of spoons of full fat Greek yoghurt and cream this morning. No more than that because it's SO filling. It always gives me a squelchy tummy whilst I'm eating it too, although no other ill effects...<muses>

Iamaslummymummy Wed 30-Jan-13 07:05:18

2 boiled eggs, slice of German meat, slice of maasdam cheese and Mayo. Yum!

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 08:08:36

Scales are, today at least, my friend! After faffing around for a while I'm finally shifting the Christmas weight. 2lbs more and I'll be back to where I was pre-Christmas. And I'm definitely back on the wagon. Yesterday I simply wasn't hungry, even though I had a gym session in the morning, so I had:

B - boiled egg, yolk only, as the white wasn't cooked properly! [bleurgh]
L - half a pork chop, 3 mushrooms fried in butter (I was literally too full to eat the rest
S - when home from work, some Cheshire cheese
D - roasted pork belly, crackling, green salad with vinaigrette

captainmummy Wed 30-Jan-13 08:28:26

BIWI - I'm glad the scales are going in the right direction for you! Andwhy is it that we can eat half-cooked egg-yolk but not half-cooked egg-white.....?

Andway, just chucked a pork joint in the slow-cooker for tonight - doing your spiced-pork in coconut.

No breakfast today as am meeting a friend in Horsham and there will be Latte.

prettybird Wed 30-Jan-13 08:33:49

My sneaky extra weight-in yesterday showed a 2lb loss - so that's a stone in total since 7 January. smilesmile

PennyHofstadter Wed 30-Jan-13 08:38:51

I weighed myself this morning for the first time since Friday and the weekend debacle and I'm 0.75lb up on Fridays weight. I can live with this, I thought it was going to be a lot worse and that I'd completely ruined all my efforts. I've been right back on it since Monday though. Breakfast today is 2 scrambled eggs cooked in butter with mushrooms and a sprinkling of grated cheese. I'm not holding out much hope for losing much this week, my stomach has got that achy heavy feeling that normally signals TOTM... sad

PennyHofstadter Wed 30-Jan-13 09:21:01

I look in the mirror and feel and look fatter than ever. I got measured for my bridesmaid dress on Saturday and my measurements were 40-29.5-44!! How on earth do I reduce the size of my thighs? They stick out A LOT. Any exercise tips?

PostBellumBugsy Wed 30-Jan-13 09:47:56

Penny - callenetics is fantastic for thigh slimming.

DorisIsWaiting Wed 30-Jan-13 09:48:32

grin grin grin

Lost 4lbs this week (I like my wednesday weigh day!) lost 12lbs in total so far, but I have LOTS to lose. This week goal to get under 13 stone (1/2lb) so doable but hopefully the weightloss won't stall. I have a wedding next weekend and a new dress so I'm keeping on, keeping on.

Forgot to say Frou I'm really sorry for you loss I hope you have lots of rl support.

PostBellumBugsy Wed 30-Jan-13 10:01:21

Gah - Callanetics!

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 10:08:48


Just weighed myself and am 179.8lbs!!! I started on 7 Jan at 193lbs!!!

Now, do I get Willy to put that on the spreadsheet as it might go up again.

BIWI - what shall I do?

Well done on your weightloss!

LavenderBriggs Wed 30-Jan-13 10:16:57

I did a VO2Max test this morning - 12 minutes running as fast as possible. Came home and inhaled my buttery scrambled eggs, buttery mushroom and slice of ham. Coffee and cream went down pretty quick too.

Can now get jeans on and off without undoing any buttons. Belt is now essential.

State of mind - content and feel as if I'm actually looking after my body. I feel a bit guilty about the amount of sugar I've poured in over the years.

Very pleased for the mid-week weigh-ins. The pounds are just melting away - well done all.

Penny what exercise do you do?

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 10:16:59

Just put it in the spreadsheet, quick!

Well done prettybird! A stone is fabulous - and a real psychological boost, isn't it? grin And Daisy you are almost at the stone mark too - great going in just 3 and a half weeks thanks

EwanHoozami Wed 30-Jan-13 10:19:35

Hello chaps. Sorry, not had time to catch up, hope everyone is feeling good.

B: an experimental omelette featuring leftover cauliflower rice mixed in. It was rather tasty.
L: tuna and egg salad
D: celeriac and stilton soup

I seem to have ditched the three weekend pounds already through two really strict days and gallons of water. Am impressed!

I love this WOE whereby scoffing a pork loin steak cooked in a wedge of butter with a load of massively buttery spinach is classed as a strict day grin

Have a splendid day, all.

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 10:19:53


Weight is down to 179lbs!!!

Put it on the spreadsheet quick!!!!!!!

<<please>> wink

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 10:24:02

How's Mr Ruprekt doing?!

Iamaslummymummy Wed 30-Jan-13 11:53:25

In toilet news, I no longer have put on weight blush

Am a whole 3oz down from last weekgrin

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 12:00:24

Mr Ruprekt is doing brilliantly and is committed to the WOE which is amazing!

He is away all week but sticking to the plan. He ordered prawns, steak without potatoes but extra buttery veg and a cheese board on Tues night. Said he was really full.

Need to weigh when he gets back but he has definitely lost more weight.

He does mourn the lack of pizza in his life. Would it be disastrous if he had a pizza when we go to Zizzi?

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 30-Jan-13 12:07:56

Just popping in to say I can't keep up with you all smile

I lost a pound last week and have updated the spread sheet.

Despite gifts of Dolly Mixture, I am still on track, my children had them [angel]

PennyHofstadter Wed 30-Jan-13 12:09:53

Lavendar if I'm honest I'm a bit hit and miss with exercise. I mainly do exercise DVDs at home and I have Davina Fit, the Shred and Insanity. I was doing the Shred but only got 4 days in before I couldn't take anymore of the workout or Jillian Michaels! It's so dull. This week I've been doing Davina Fit. I guess I really need a structured, interesting workout. I have asthma and find that over exertion makes me wheeze so I haven't really done much Insanity as I find it too much at the moment. I also love Pilates but its not really conducive to weightloss.

perhaps not disastrous, but:

- he will come out of ketosis and will probably take several days to get back into it

- it will likely trigger some major carb cravings that he will have to work really hard against

- he may well put on several pounds as a result. they would likely come back off again pretty quickly as long as he is strict afterwards, but it's always a bit depressing

- it probably won't be a great as he remembers (though of course it might be!)

- it could give him some rather uncomfortable stomach cramps and / or diarrhoea

he may well feel that risking the above is worth it for pizza, and if he's going to eat it he should eat mindfully, enjoying every mouthful, but he should also be clear in his mind that he might not like some of the side-effects

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 12:58:27

Hello everyone.

Only able to post now as its been manic with decorators and other trades men turning up this am. DH forgot to tell me the electrician was coming to install the new lights for lounge - they have been sitting in basement for 3 months and DH has made sure its all done whilst he is away. Arse. My wrath awaits him on his return tomorrow.

Thank you all for the support and suggestions re DS and poor sleep. That boy is in for some changes! No more mrs nice night mummy!

Been pretty lonely lately so this helps so much smile (can you hear the violins? grin)

BIWI. I finally worked out why I am not losing. It's simple. I eat way too much! I thought it was carb so got a carb counter app (get me eh) and my carb has been very low and alway below 25g a day. Buuuuut. I accidentally looked at calories the app also counts and it's no fecking wonder. I eat between 2600 and 3000 cals aday!! It's a miracle I haven't gain weight. If I ate around 2000 the weight would probably drop off.

I am a proper dunce. hmm I am in ketosis and have been for over two weeks continuously. But still hungry enough to shovel a third extra cals a day away. Ugh. I am useless.

So my mission is now to actually eat less. I have clearly cracked the intake of carb situation and keep that very low but I consume so much fat I end up with too many calories. Even the great Briffa says you can't eat unlimited food and LC wouldn't work if you eat too much full stop.

Oh well at least I know. Sigh.

Thanks again to everyone here. It's nice to feel supported.

LavenderBriggs Wed 30-Jan-13 13:17:01

Penny do you enjoy the DVDs? Do you think you could introduce some walking? If you start off gently you could get some benefits without making your asthma worse. Another thing that can help is logging your activity - it can make you aware of how much movement you do and where you can make some increases. Your measurements show that your hip to waist ratio is 'excellent', so you're starting from a good place. BBC Hip to Waist Guide

Skandi You're not a proper dunce. Ok? You've eased yourself into a new way of eating (in some very trying circumstances). Don't be sad - if you've cracked carbs you can crack anything (but try and leave the decorators alone).

PennyHofstadter Wed 30-Jan-13 13:22:02

Lavendar I am enjoying the Davina DVD at the moment. I've done Insanity a few times and its v.v. tough and while I wouldn't say I enjoy it, I do feel a sense of achievement at the end. Last summer I was walking up a local hill twice a week after work but had to stop with the dark nights. I will resume that once its light enough outside for me to go after work but maybe I should look at going up on weekends until then.

thenightsky Wed 30-Jan-13 13:22:20

For Skandi just for you grin

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 14:19:39

Ruprekt! That's amazing! Congratulations thanks

Well done on the other losses too.

I'm confused about my scales. If anyone has a tanita inner scan monitor digital scale, do you know what the bit in decimal points means? I weighed in at 172.8 so does the .8 bit mean 0.8 or a pound? Or does it mean 8 oz?

I was 173 and the spreadsheet says I've lost .2 so I'm confused. confused

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 14:20:51

The nightsky grin

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 14:27:20

Skandi, can that be right that your're eating too many calories? I thought we could eat as much as we wanted as long as it's the right sort of stuff. If you're eating lots of fat then the calories will be high.

If that's the case for you then it will be for me but I don't want to eat less!

[hopeful emoticon]

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 14:30:09

Thanks for the flowers mumat39.

I think the scales means 172 lbs and 8 oz. As there are 14oz in a pound that is quite a lot of weight and if you were making a cake you would be accurate with the oz's and not go massively over the required amount.

So you are basically 172lb and 8oz

Doshusallie Wed 30-Jan-13 15:11:02

Skandi - BIWI will be along in a minute with a more scientific answer but I agree with Mumat39 - calorie levels should not matter. I probably eat the same amount in a day as you. No, you can't sit in front of a fridge and eat the entire contents, but I don't think the calories you are eating have a bearing at all if you are being low carb.

B - greek yog
L - celery with mayo and pate, raw mushrooms, cucumber with pate, some slices of mattesons smoked sausage.
S - one coffee with a splash of cream, a tablespoon of PB

BlackAffronted Wed 30-Jan-13 15:24:34

Oh yikes, I think I eat way over 200 cals a day! probably over 300! I dont want to eat less, I love this way of eating sad Ive probably been very lucky so far, to be losing.

BlackAffronted Wed 30-Jan-13 15:24:54

2000 and 3000, obviously! blush

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 15:39:54

grin At nightsky.

Additional research done and part of the problem is my lack of sleep. I am eating way more than I need to literally stay awake. Long term sleep deprivation makes you not only over eat but slows you down by way of additional cortisol released (causes insulin resistance).

So Mumat and blackaffronted, you are losing weight. Lots of it for both of you so you are clearly not overeating. I am eating less than 25g of carb a day but not losing and 3000 cals a day is quite a lot particularly as I am not doing any exercise at all.

So I can blame DS for my over eating. wink

Unless of course BIWI has another explanation?

PostBellumBugsy Wed 30-Jan-13 15:52:15

skandi, I hope you don't mind me asking, but what are you eating? Are you sure you are putting the right quantities into your carb counter?

How many meals are you eating a day plus snacks? If you are fully on ketosis you shouldn't need to eat snacks as shouldn't be hungry

Try listing out your meals for us for yesterday

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 16:04:28

Post. I am sure. I have entered the correct amounts.

In week 1 BIWI asked me if I was eating enough fat (the whole egg white omelettes debacle) so I thought I was doing a good thing by adding two teaspoons of coconut oil to my herbal tea.

Well not such a good thing. I drink 6 or 7 cups of herbal tea during that and each tea spoon of coconut oil
Is nearly 50cals so I am consuming between 600 and 700 cals a day that I don't need through my herbal tea alone!

I eat plenty of fat. I fry in butter or coconut oil. My omelettes are done in coconut oil. I use olive or melted coconut oil as dressing for salads. Plus I eat tons of avocado. So I don't need to add all that fat.

So yes I see all your points about over eating. I am technically "over drinking" extra I don't need at all.

I also do eat extra when I am tired. And when I have had a really bad night with DS I eat way more than if I have had more sleep. Plus I drink more herbal teas and coffee with cream.

No doubt I need to run fast as BIWi will be here with her big stick momentarily. smile

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 16:06:16

Then you have to sort DS out tonight Skandi!

You NEED to sleep!

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 16:07:09

That should be 2 teaspoons of coconut oil in each cup. And nearly 50cals per tea spoon full. Doh.

I will list out meals little later once I cook DC dinner and wrestle them
Into bed (and manage to chuck decorators and electricians out of the house).

PostBellumBugsy Wed 30-Jan-13 16:20:59

Skandi, I bow to your ability to consume so much coconut oil. It is supposed to be so good for us & some articles even say it speeds up metabolism - but I have only managed to use it as a cooking oil.

When you put it in your herbal tea, does it disperse, or does it sit on the top?

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 16:23:50

Ruprekt, thanks for the explanation.

Willie, does the spreadsheet take ounces into account? If not, maybe I shouldn't be entering them. It seems to have done a calculation of 173 - 172.8 to give .2. So I probably need to enter the 8 oz as a decimal so approx 172.5 ish.

<clutching at straws to get a slightly better weightless figure grin >

Skandi, I'm sure BIWI or someone said in one of the earlier posts that you need fat to burn fat. (I think). I was actually going to post a question about other sources of fat than meat. I find fatty meat really unpleasant and can't actually stand to eat anything that is too fatty due to the slimy texture. Can I ask, what does coconut oil in a herbal tea taste like? Does the oil rise to the top? I tried making a coffee with cream the other day, but the cream seemed to seperate and they're was a film of oil that I couldn't drink. I think I'm a bit wierd that way. I'm very happy eating butter on food but need other ideas apart from olive oil and coconut oil to try and get more fat into my diet.

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 16:41:08

Skandi, I haven't lost that much really. Only 6 lbs which is only slightly more than you've lost. 4.5 of that was in the first week. But I do feel better for eating this way.

It sounds like you've got a lot going on at the moment, so it could be a combination of stress and a lack of sleep, which BIWI mentioned on her post about the dr briffa session she attended, which is causing you some problems.

I don't exercise at all really, and am going to do this by pretty much staying as I am exercise wise. I should do more, but I know that I can never sustain any regime I might start. So, I have stupidly decided that I don't want to lose weight by starting an exercise program that I will eventually stop and when i stop at that point I will put some weight back on again even if I am still on this way of eating. That's probably an odd way of thinking but I know I am crap at keeping going with excercising so I'm going to be doing the lazy version of bootcamp. Unfortunately it'll mean I lose weight slowly too but hopefully I can sustain the weightless for the longer term.

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 16:42:32

I buy expensive butter and eat it with ham.

Double cream in most veggies.

Fry bacon in oil.

Cannot put cream in drinks. Just semi skimmed milk.

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 17:08:55

Post. I find coconut oil lovely. It tastes less coconutty than it smells.

I even tried to eat a spoonful on its on cold but no that had a funny texture (think cold lard but coconut taste).

It sort of floats on top of the herbal tea and adds a nice satisfying flavour to a hot drink. However I think it's not necessary to stick it in drinks unless you don't have salad and veg with oil or butter

An yes to stress and lack of sleep. Less stress and more the constant blanket of tiredness I wear.

PostBellumBugsy Wed 30-Jan-13 17:13:44

I'm going to give it a go skandi. The thought of it makes me feel barfy - but if I don't try it I'll never know for sure.

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 17:20:46

Mumat. If you don't like cream in coffee I don't think coconut oil in hot drinks are for you.

Unlike you I like fatty meats. And oily fish and oil rich veg like avocado. And coupled with my love for coconut oil, I think I get plenty.

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 17:21:49

Ruprekt. You eat butter on ham! Hats off. That's hardcore. I couldn't do that. Cream cheese maybe but butter. Wow.

halfthesize Wed 30-Jan-13 17:23:53

Just popping in, this thread is so busy and RL seems to be getting in the way. willie thanks for adding me to spreadsheet, didnt want to mess things upwink
Well done on all the lossesgrin

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 17:36:36

Hmm. I might try the coconut oil in a herbal tea. Maybe I'll just try 1 spoon.

I can actually eat coconut oil a spoonful at a time. But recently I've been finding that a bit too erm fatty. confused

I have also heard that coconut oil is really good for the gut, but can't remember the 'science' behind it. Something to do with long chain fatty acids.

Ooh and I love avocados! Yum!

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 17:37:57

skandi1 - you aren't on the spreadsheet, so I can't check how much you have to lose; apologies, you may already have told me but I can't remember!

I really don't think you should be worrying at this stage about calories. The critical thing at this stage is to get the proportions of fat/protein/carbs right. You say you're eating under 25g carbs each day, but what is the proportion of fat/protein/carbs in your diet at the moment? Does the app give you this information?

I'm more concerned that you are chronically sleep deprived as well as stressed at the moment. And if you just start cutting back on what you're eating, especially the fat, you are going to end up being hungry.

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 17:57:31


I have lost the grand total of 3lbs which was lost in the first week and nothing since. I have failed to master adding weight to spreadsheet so have fallen off.

The app does tell me total amounts but not in %. I will list full meals later when DC are in bed. Yesterday I had 20.5g of carb (this is net carb of fiber). I had 334g of fat (that is a lot when you think about it). And 102g of protein.

As you can see the majority of cals and energy comes from fat.

BIWI. I only looked at the calorie section by accident as I was trying to work out why no loss. And worked through where all this was actually coming from.

I may get somewhere if I ditch the coconut oil from my herbal tea. This wouldn't impact my hunger really as I will still eat the same and still eat lots of fat and use coconut oil as a dressing and to cook with.

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 18:00:06

Don't worry about the fat. You really don't need to!

How much weight do you need/want to lose?

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 18:02:26

Sorry. You asked how much I have to lose. That is roughly 35lbs. From 185lbs to 150lbs. So quite a lot. If it helps you I am 5'11" of slim build and 150lbs is roughly my pre DC weight and all my weight is around my middle (my shameful measurements are 39in-37"-42.5" - oh the shame I look 8 months pregnant).

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 18:10:16

Right. At that height/weight your BMI is 26. So you are only 2 points/10lbs away from 'desirable'. This is likely to mean that your weight loss will be much slower than someone who is considerably overweight.

I think you need to stop panicking about it, enjoy the food you are eating, murder your DH and get your DS to sleep through the night!!!

Firsttimepig Wed 30-Jan-13 18:18:04

Hi all, have made a lovely tea of beef stew with creamed leeks and broccoli very yummy.

Also I have made some berry muffins which are egg (12eggs) /water(120ml)/double cream (120ml) /blackberries baked in oven 30mins it's like having a cake when your not, good for breakfast ! If your in a rush they keep well in fridge.

Have also made its raspberries

Off to spinning class soon need 3lb lost this week to make a stone since the start ! Come on body !

Lavenderhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 18:21:53

Hello everyonesmile this thread moves fast doesn't it? Been busy with dd who is poorly but getting better now.

Ruprekt that's amazingsmile

Skandi- I feel for you, my ds was a real non sleeper too. And the up and playing thing. He did get better and I have to say it was because he was overtired. Our routine is quiet afternoon with lots of running round til about 4 then very slow and steady with a big meal and pudding then reading and bed. If I do anything else he gets overtired and it's disastrous! I think you are going to have to ensure he's not in pain or anything, then check him and tell him it's sleep time. I leave a night light on.
I have a friend who had a terrible sleeper- she ended up driving round in the night in an attempt to get him off. She was given a book which I have in PDF if you pm me. It took 2-3 nights to get him to sleep through. She did it when her dh was away though. He was 18 months as well. She looked about 10 years younger aftersmile

Food - am eating much better however I too am a bit poorly so working through it. Still hardcore bootcamp here, but it's not exactly miserable is it? I love this woesmile

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 18:33:58

I have also come to the conclusion that I do reward with food. Well done boys. HAve a muffin, packet of sweets, piece of chocolate. That needs to change.

I am really pleased though that DH has been away for the last 3 nights and I usually comfort eat through boredom. However, i have planned properly and eaten properly. Tonight the boys will go upstairs at 7pm then I can eat in peace and enjoy my food. Will post food later.

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 18:34:27

And the butter I get was recommended here. It has salt crystals in it and is delicious.

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 19:02:19

Skandi, hi again.

I'd love to be 5'11"". That's a good height IMO.

I can look about 6-7 months pregnant, or bigger if I don't hold myself properly. I sometimes catch site of myself if I'm in a clothes shop and think OMG! Or at home if I'm carrying one of the kids, I seem to let myself relax, so they have something comfortable to lean on.

I've had 2 c-sections and I have a pouch but I can actually relax my stomach enough without really trying, to look like I'm about to pop. Since having kids my posture is really bad and once I lose a bit of weight, and feel comfortable in a swimming costume, I might start to go swimming.

I can't wear those body control pants but have jeans that sort of hold my stomach in a bit. They are high waisted but I still have to be careful with the bulging tyre at my waist.

The other thing is if I wear tops that hang from my huge boobs, they also make me look pregnant. I am not very good at dressing myself, so this is an everyday thin for me.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that with you. It probably is no help but feel your pain.


ShebaQueen Wed 30-Jan-13 19:17:58

Hello everyone, struggled today when there were cakes in the office, but managed to resist and didn't actually have any. Well done to everyone who has lost in the mid-week weigh in.

Off to sort DS2 out with his homework.

skandi1 Wed 30-Jan-13 19:28:57

Hi Mumat.

Snap! Veteran of 2 x cs too.
It's hard to say what's cs overhang and what's fat tum for me just now.

I can't wear jeans or trousers particularly high waisted. I need several sizes up from the rest of me iyswim. I wear leggings and tunic type tops and I know it does me no favours. It looks like maternity garb.

Tis depressing. I need to tackle the fat tum. It's getting to me.

I did well on Dukan last year and lost all but the last 1 stone on weight. However we had whole house renovated during the summer (new kitchen and two new bathrooms plus cloak room etc etc). I designed the kitchen and bathroom layouts and ordered all materials and fittings etc and project managed the lot whilst looking after DC.
At the same time DH went for a new job and became MD of a major UK plc so suddenly home late every night and lots of travel etc plus working from home. And under pressure.
And just before he started he needed minor surgery so it was 2 months before he could lift the DC.

During this time I simply ate biscuits and chocolate. And I am not talking about a couple of biscuits I am talking about 3 packets of Waitrose/bhalzen luxury mega carb sugar biscuits (all organic though darling wink).

So I undid a lot of work.

Also to clarify. During pregnancy I put on masses of weight and went from 150lbs ish (68kg) to almost 100kg (not sure in lbs but that's a lot). DS is now 18 months and I want rid of it.

I am pissed of at myself for wrecking it and gaining back a stone and a half! If I had even just maintained then I would only have a few lbs to lose now instead of the 35lbs which lay ahead of me. Grrrr.

And I used the hectic household and the increased loneliness as carte Blanche to scoff tons of biscuits.

It has set a really bad example for DD because during that time she would get choc biscuits every day too. And I now realise despite my home cooked organic meals for the DC, she now asks for biscuits constantly (ok she is 3 which doesn't help).

There we are. Biscuits are not the answer. wink

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 19:35:44

That could be the title for a low carb book!

Lavenderhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 19:43:19

Skandi., I have the dreaded c s overhang from 2 cs. It's not pretty. I was looking at photos of me and dh earlier before dc and ds said who is that lady with daddy? I said it was me and very kindly he patted my arm and said " I don't think so, mummy" I must say I enormous and a hippo would be jealous.

Your weight will drop though. Can you only drink water by day and nothing else? That made a big difference for me. Plus callanetics, which you can do as you go.

slatternlymother Wed 30-Jan-13 20:10:03

<pops head in>


<returns to eating Parmesan crisps>


Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 20:15:47

B - 2 sausages, 2 bacon, 2 eggs and mushrooms

L - Too full from breakfast

D - Was yum. 3 mini lamb burgers, roasted celeriac and broccoli fried in anchovies and garlic.
Am stuffed but will have FF yog and 25g blueberries later.

mumat39 the spreadsheet measures decimals for fractions of pounds. i don't know about your scales, but mine seem to measure decimals (i have never seen them go above .9 of a lb, and there are 16oz in a lb). it's up to you what you want to put in the spreadsheet depending on your scales, but tbh i round to the nearest half lb anyway!

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 20:34:14


14lb in a stone

16oz in a pound!

There is a reason why I am crap at Maths!!

pyjamalover Wed 30-Jan-13 21:00:33

Evening! Can't keep up with this thread!

Condolences frou frou.

Exhausted today (not as exhausted as skandi clearly!) so about to go to bed. Definitely overeat when I'm tired.

Best thing about this woe, such yum meals! Find myself looking forward to my packed lunch at work. Had tricolore salad yesterday, so simple but sooo good.


Am now worrying after Skandis posts that I too am eating too much fat (although I've lost a good half stone) - definitely think I went out of ketosis at weekend due to wine, too much sugar in the sushi dressings and DH's homegrown beetroot so although have been sticking to WOE, if one is out of ketosis presumably it just stores as fat again?

Whoever posting about dying though consuming pork bellies inspired me to try cooking it tonight, but I've never done it before (got the slices) and it was a bit dry. How do you do yours, if you do slices?

Today's meals:
- B: Scrambled egg and smoked salmon and mushrooms (spinach would've been better, the mushrooms didn't really go with the salmon)
- S: babble, olives with feta (couldn't have lunch until 2pm due to meeting)
- L: a bit less because of the snack - avocado vinagraite, pate with celery
- S: more olives while prepping DC dinner (cooked loads of frankfurters hoping for a sneaky snack on them but the little blighters hoovered them all up)
- D: pork belly slices with roast celeriac and buttered kale

Damn autocorrect. Babybel for my snack, not babble!

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 21:27:54

Please don't worry about eating too much fat. It's not an issue on this WOE. Far better to knock the wine and sugar on the head!

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 21:29:56

Evening losers

Am slinking in to say one thing: if I have one dietary nemesis/Achilles heel, I think it would have to be Reece's Peanut Butter Cups.

Oh, how do I love thee, Reece's Peanut Butter Cups? Let me count the ways.....


<slinks off again>

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 21:31:12

<eek! Worries BIWI saw my poorly timed post>

Just wishful thinking BIWI.....honest!!!!

BIWI Wed 30-Jan-13 21:31:52


NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 21:35:05


I mean - when did they start selling these in the UK anyway? They weren't around when I was a kid. Damn these seductive American imports.

<goes off to read Briffa book - to remind herself of evil ways of iniquitous confectionary industry>

LucyVFood Wed 30-Jan-13 21:40:27

Unfortunately I'd rather drink wine than eat butter. I've discovered that I'm just not that bothered if it doesn't go with bread, although it is nice on veg and in eggs.

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 21:41:11

Skandi, hi again.

Guess what? I just had a herbal tea with a small teaspoon of coconut oil in it. I'm sitting in the living room with on,y a lamp on so couldn't see the oil. I couldn't taste it and you're right it's just yummy. I had a liquorice tea. It has a sweet aroma that I love and the coconut just made I taste really heavenly! That's going to be a good way of getting some more fat into my diet.

Re the csections, I used to have a really strong core and a sort of flat stomach although I've always been a biscuit eater. I could easily wolf down a packet. In the last few years though I hadn't bought any. I still was eating chocolate and cakes etc. I did diet chef last year and as soon as I stopped I had the most irresistible cravings for biscuits, mine were waitrose essentials jam sandwich creams. It became an obsession so I caved and bought 3 packets so 30 biscuits and scoffed them in 2days. I loved them. I sort of just survived on them. Then I stopped and got into sweet coffee. 3 heaped teaspoons of sugar in each cup and about 6 cups per day. Gradually I was adding 4 teaspoons as it wasn't sweet enough.

I am so pleased that I am not a slave to that anymore. It's like a huge grey cloud has been lifted as I knew it was no good, but I couldn't control it.

Willie, thanks for replying. From next week I'll use your option of rounding up or down to the nearest half pound. Thanks so much.

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 21:43:22

Go away Novelty! How dare you speak of such things!!

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 21:44:45

Haha. I know. I must wash my mouth out with soap and water!

Ruprekt Wed 30-Jan-13 21:46:12

I think I will have a continental style breakfast tomorrow.

HB eggs, cheeses and ham.

L - will be broccoli and stilton soup

D - Salmon with feta, celeriac mash and broccoli

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 21:48:49

Ruprekt - when not dribbling over American confectionary, I am WELL into my continental breakfasts.

Cheese and ham I've discovered is one of THE most satisfying ways to start the day. And keeps me full till lunch. Who knew? Am loving breakfast these days!

Valdeeves Wed 30-Jan-13 21:52:09

Skandi - I hope you get some sleep tonight.

Well done for the weightloss - I honestly think I'm stable this week - will wait til week 6. I'm actually at my pre baby dress size but have a few lumpy bits I want to tone down (thighs are massive - upper arms bigger.). Anybody else had a shift in their rib cage which effected the clothes they wore?
Breakfast: three eggs, spinach and butter, almond milk tea.

Lunch: out and about - no low carb options in coffee shops when feeding DD (why is that??? How many ladies must do this diet??? Would it hurt them to have a chicken salad or packs or crudités??)

Tea: Boursin garlic and herb on buttered cod, cabbage cooked in butter and cream with salt, Aubergine crisped in oil, oregano and salt.

I am stuffed and head banging from a day of house hunting coordination. Looking for a job too. Also done some bra shopping which was quite funny as boobs completely depleted as breast feeding over for two babies. I had to laugh as I flopped them into various bras - they have gone from 36 DD to 36B.

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 21:52:58

lavenderhoney hope you're feeling better soon thanks

sheba well done on resisting. That must have been hard. Well done!

novelty mmmm reeses peanut butter chocs.

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 22:04:31

Mumat - help! I can't stop thinking about them. Someone save me from myself! Thank GOD there isn't a shop nearby.

<gives self stiff talking to>

<attempts to snap out of peanut butter cup based reverie>

Just checking in on the new week's thread, I weighed in on Monday and updated my weight on the spreadsheet but didn't get a chance to post on the thread. 3 more pounds down grin.

Haven't caught up on all the thread news but just wanted to send happy sleep vibes to skandi, I really hope your DS starts to sleep better, sleep deprivation is a killer. I found it so, so hard to eat well when DS was playing silly buggers with sleep. He's better now, but if I have a bad night I do still find the day that follows more of a challenge food wise. My saviour seems to be eggs. If I have scrambled eggs for breakfast it seems to reset me and I can cope with very little sleep and not stray off track, WOE wise. Don't know what you're having for breakfast and I can't guarantee results but may be worth a try!

DS is part way through a 48 hour EEG to measure for seizure activity. It involves having 23 leads stuck to his head and being wired up to a power pack thing. It is interesting work trying to stop an almost 2 year old from pulling the lot off. On that note, I'm off to check his head and get some kip before I have to get up and check him again <sigh>. We are at least being allowed to do this at home rather than having to stay on the ward so there is some hope of sleep!

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 22:10:41

Starfish, well done on the weight loss, and sorry you're having to go through that. Sounds tough! Hope you get through it, and get some decent kip too!

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 22:12:37

Maybe imagine finding some bottom fluff in one might help? grin

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 22:14:48

Ha! Like your strategy. What's more - I think it's bloody worked?!

<suddenly feels repulsed at mere thought of icky peanut butter cups>

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 22:16:58

Novelty - hurray!!!

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 22:19:34

Now that's what I call teamwork grin

<high fives>

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 22:20:00

Starfish. Sorry to hear that you and your DS are going through this. Big hugs to you both! Well done on the weight loss and hope you and your little one sleep well.


Doshusallie Wed 30-Jan-13 22:33:38

Good luck starfish, hope you manage together some rest.

[GLARES at all talk of peanut butter type chocolate thingys, what are you trying to do to us ladies????]

SavoirFaire Wed 30-Jan-13 22:40:49

Sounds tricky starfish. Hope all ok.

Good day for me today - about time!

B: 2 eggs and butter
L: an avocado and some yogurt!
D: Roast chicken with cauli rice and asparagus, followed by a handful of blackberries.

Off to drink a bit more water!

mumat39 Wed 30-Jan-13 22:44:17

Novelty, high five right back!

Doshu, sorry. thanks

NoveltySlippers Wed 30-Jan-13 22:48:10

Sorry Doshu

<sheepish, looks at floor>

Valdeeves Thu 31-Jan-13 00:21:57

Starfish thinking of you - how long has he been having Seisures. (I used to have them - very scary.)

Well DS only managed to pull four wires out overnight and slept soundly. Phew. His seizures are part of his syndrome, usually they are just absences but last year he started having full blown ones where he stops breathing and goes blue all over. Terrifying. And a huge contributor to my past comfort eating. But no longer! It's amazing how this WOE keeps you more on an even keel and able to think clearly isn't it?

Shower and eggs time!

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 07:11:01

Starfish - glad you and DS had a good night!

BlackAffronted Thu 31-Jan-13 07:34:59

Awww, poor wee thing Starfish sad

skandi, hope you are getting more sleep!

I think bumped into a low-carber in the butchers - she was in the queue in front of me, and ordered a large piece of pork belly. I commented that I was buying some too, and it looked fab. She told me that she makes a yummy sauce from mushrooms, cream & boursin to go with it! Im so going to try that with my chicken tonight. Then we drooled over the thought of crispy crackling. She had an amazing figure! Definitely a low carber methinks :D

Menu yesterday -

B - bacon, eggs, mushrooms & sausages
L - Homemade burger with a meted babybel inside & salad
D - Pork chops fried in butter with salad & mayo
S - babybel

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 07:50:24

Black that does sound good..... Don't forget to take a picture!

I am really so happy with this WOE (choccie craving moment of weakness yesterday aside!).

I have a happy incident as example - I saw a work colleague yesterday who I hadn't seen in months, and she couldn't believe my weight loss - she went on about it for about ten minutes!

She asked me how much I'd lost (I've lost 10 lb on this WOE in four weeks), and said it looked like I'd lost 10 kg! She asked me how I did it and I said I'd been trying to cut down on the carbs.

Then when I asked if she wanted milk and sugar in her tea she said no - she'd been inspired by me! smile

So nice to get encouraging feedback, as it were. And people's wonder at my weight loss makes me glad I've made the change now, as clearly it was needed. (And does kinda make me wonder what I looked like before hmm. Am 5'3" and think that every extra pound must show...)

Valdeeves Thu 31-Jan-13 07:50:49

Black affronted - that sauce sounds good - I might try that one.

Starfish Enterprise - those Seisures sound similar to mine (going blue) - mum and dad had a hard time with mine but I was fortunate in that they found a very effective treatment. I hope the monitoring will help with your little one - is it a ECG did you say?

Skandi - are you getting anywhere with the house?

Well I'm absolutely knackered today - looking forward to some mega mushroom and ham scrambled eggs! And a almond tea - my treat these days. Hope you all have a good low carb day.

Doshusallie Thu 31-Jan-13 08:06:50

Stole someone's idea (novelty?) and had a little bit of Greek yoghurt left in the tub mixed with a generous splash of double cream for brekkie. Y to the U to the M!!! grin. Also had one of the breakfast frittatas that are still kicking about.

Loads to do today, gym this morning, lots of bloody client plans to write at the behest of new boss, [gutted] and food shopping at some point hmm. Better get these boys to school.

starfish you sound like you have a lot on your plate, so good to hear that this woe helps!

i made leek, cheese and ham bake for supper last night (surfeit of leeks in the fridge), it was delicious, though i didn't have creme fraiche so substituted cream cheese and double cream mixed together

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 08:36:00

Novelty I remembered something I made up sometime ago, in the last Bootcamp, which I hadn't put on the recipe thread. It might be right up your street:

1 dessert spoon peanut butter
2 dessert spoons Total full fat yoghurt
1/4 teaspoon vanilla bean extract

Mix the lot together then shove in your gob!

It doesn't sound like much, but it's incredibly rich and the texture means it's incredibly satisfying.

Then I did some counting/calculating:

2 level teaspoons peanut butter (mine is Whole Earth smooth, 9.9g carbs per 100g)
4 level teaspoons yoghurt (full fat Total, 3.8g carbs per 100g)

If you just mix this together, this will be 3.5g carbs. It makes a small but very rich treaty snack.

You may like to add vanilla - I used vanilla bean extract. This contains sugar (I've run out of the Waitrose one which is sugar-free). There is no nutritional info on the pack, so I have assumed the worst, and that it's the equivalent of adding sugar. You only need 1/4 teaspoon, though, which will add another 1g of carbs.

You could freeze it, I suppose, and I was also wondering if, rolled into balls, you could make some lovely after dinner 'chocolates' - either rolling them in cocoa or coating in melted dark chocolate.

You can also buy a chocolate extract from Waitrose/Lakeland which might be lovely in this too!

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 08:38:02

Chocolate extract

Waitrose sell these extracts too.

Jacaqueen Thu 31-Jan-13 08:45:04

Morning All

Sorry I have not been near this thread all week. The funeral is tomorrow and I have spent most of the week helping to organise things. Makes me feel very grown up. Mind you I am 43, I should feel grown up.

On a totally trivial matter I have bought a lovely black dress to wear. I feel very trim in it. This time last year it would not have gone near me.

Thanks again for all your messages.

Ruprekt Thu 31-Jan-13 08:50:17

angry WHERE IS SHE? angry Gets out bow ) and arrow ---->


<Rampages through Mumsnet armed with bow and arrow>

GUESS what I dreamt about last night? Guess.

Peanut Butter. Reeses. I had banished these from my mind and now they are back at the forefront of my mind.

BIWI - I demand you come back with your big stick!

morning jac, hope you're ok and your family and dh too. i hope tomorrow goes as well as can be expected

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 08:51:16


But did you eat them in your dream?!

lol ruprekt - at least dream sweets are zero carbs!

Ruprekt Thu 31-Jan-13 09:00:35

Too right I ate them in my dream. The peanut butter stuck to the roof of my mouth and was completely delicious!

Still - zero carbs and they were yummy!

Tonight I would like to dream about pie and mushy peas! grin

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 09:01:00



<peers through fingers>

<cowers again>

Ruprekt I am so sorry. I deserve every inch of your ire. I am now sitting on my metaphorical naughty step. (Am in the office so if I sat on a real one I might get funny looks.)

How can I make amends?????

<dodges arrow>

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 09:02:42

Oh wow! Looks like BIWI's come up with the answer!

That recipe looks bloody brilliant BIWI!

<adds chocolate extract to Ocado list>

Can't WAIT to try that!! grin

there's nothing quite like the relief though of waking up after dreaming about carb binges and realising that you haven't cocked it all up!

I am feeling very envy today, DP has lost 8 1/2lb, I have only lost 2 overall sad and he cheated big style at the weekend. <flings self around in a huff>

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 09:22:41

Sorry to hear that Bullet!

NB. I do hope no-one thinks I was 'showing off' about colleague's comments above; it was a celebration of this WOE, rather than my own progress!

And so nice to think that as well as getting ourselves healthy, this WOE can even help us inspire others!

<climbs onto evangelical bus>

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 09:43:41

bullet - it's a bugger isn't it? But it's a sad fact that men do lose weight easier and faster than women.

You have still lost weight. You must remember that fact. 2lbs = 4 packs of lard!

EwanHoozami Thu 31-Jan-13 09:45:15

Valdeeves ths lack of LC options in coffee shops drives me bonkers too. I know carbs stretch further and are therefore more profitable, but the profit on a three-egg omelette would also be pretty good, surely?

Novelty I love hearing about the positive reactions people are getting, it's not showing off it's inspirational! My Low-Carb-Good-News story of the day is that I've made £200 by selling my size 16 clothes on Ebay. Huzzah!

Jac lots of love to you for tomorrow.

B: Lidl yog
L: cold chicken and homemade coleslaw
D: butter-roast courgette and feta salad

Xenia Thu 31-Jan-13 10:04:02

Coffee shops I suppose replaced the traditional 1600s and 1700s UK coffee houses. They have always been a place you meet without alcohol where you go for a hit - in a sense they are drug stores. You either get your hit of caffeine or sugar in your hot chocolate.

If you avoid fruit( as well as milk, caffeine, sugar, aspartame, carbs) I suspect there is nothing in them I eat except perhaps tap water. Not surprising I do not frequent them (and they are very expensive).

Ruprekt Thu 31-Jan-13 10:05:56

<keeps eye on Novelty>

(o) <- eyeballing you.

Have just eaten

2 HB eggs
2 slices Edam
chicken tikka
white stilton

Yumyum. TriesToForgetTheReeses

It is indeed a bugger! I don't think it helps that I am in a foul mood today, just about ready to rip someone a new one blush grin
I really was hoping to have lost a bit more as I am trying wedding dresses on again on Saturday... including a silky Jenny Packham number that will highlight all my doughy bits! But hey ho, I've found a restaurant that has some lovely low carb options so I won't be tempted to cheat on my day out dress shopping except for a glass of wine at lunch.

Ruprekt Thu 31-Jan-13 10:07:04

I'm with Xenia.

Take a flask!!

Saving carbs and money!

Anaisa Thu 31-Jan-13 10:07:07

+1 here for post c-section overhang. After the first one it was not too bad, but the second one has finished my body off - 5st to lose to get into any kind of shape, horrendous stretch marks and a massive tummy. My 4 year old announced that he only wants DH to go put him to sleep in the evenings, but kindly added "Mummy, i will sleep with you when your tummy gets smaller" blush. I keep saying to myself that it's only been 8 weeks since my second c-section, but I don't think I can stay in maternity clothes for much longer without feeling really depressed. Urgently need to lose a stone to get into my regular clothes.

I have lost really well in the first two weeks, but nothing after that sad. Getting a bit disheartened as I have been really good.

Scandi - I am beginning to think that it is sleep deprivation that is stalling the weight. In that case I have no hope wink.

PostBellumBugsy Thu 31-Jan-13 10:44:04

Hope tomorrow goes as well as these things ever can Jac.

Novelty - great news on the ravings of your colleague. It is so lovely when people notice. smile

For chocolate cravers, I make a kind of tiffin:

one rounded teaspoon of cocoa powder
one rounded tablespoon of ground almonds
one rounded teaspoon of coconut flour or dessicated coconut
one teaspoon of ground flaxseeds
half an ounce of butter
one teaspoon of sucralose or artificial powdered sweetner

Melt the butter & stir in all the dry ingredients, if it looks to dry add a little more butter.

Spread out on a plate / dish etc. Pop in fridge for 30 mins.

30 mins later enjoy delicious crunchy low carb tiffin. Whole thing only has 5 carbs. I often have this for breakfast.

PostBellumBugsy Thu 31-Jan-13 10:45:59

Sorry I've just noticed an error in the tiffin ingredients:
It should be:
one rounded tablespoon of coconut flour or dessicated coconut

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 10:55:12

Wow Postbellum - that looks absolutely delish!

LavenderBriggs Thu 31-Jan-13 11:12:01

Morning all. Bit of a stressy day here, problems popping up like daisies on a lawn.

One tiny problem solved - DH fancied cake - he mentioned it a couple of times in the last day or two, so I made almond pancakes for breakfast. I put some flaxseed and goji berry in along with a nip of cocoa. DH very happy, cake yearning has gone. Me - I feel as if I had some sort of rocket fuel for breakfast - it's like food only better. Breakfast minus two hours - still feel stuffed and might have to go for a walk/run/dance in the street to lower fuel level.

For those of us who haven't lost in week 3 - read what BIWI said about week 3 and don't feel down about it.

Post can your thing be done without any sweetener?

PostBellumBugsy Thu 31-Jan-13 11:20:20

Lavender, I have tried it without sweetner & found it almost inedible. The cocoa is just too bitter.

Maybe it could be made without the cocoa - like a kind of biscuit?

EwanHoozami Thu 31-Jan-13 11:22:52

Post good LORD that tiffin sounds luscious. I'd have to leave out the flax as it brings me out in hives confused

LavenderBriggs Thu 31-Jan-13 11:23:34

Maybe if I add less cocoa. I could use my flaxseed and goji berry, because two hours after brekkie I've still got a slight berry taste in my mouth, so they may be sweet enough. Or I just have to track down the flaxseed with cocoa and strawberry. Will have to pop out and buy coconut (I can't sit still!) and have a go at the recipe.

PostBellumBugsy Thu 31-Jan-13 11:25:43

Ewan - when I have run out of flax, I use sesame seeds & if I can be bothered I smash them up a bit in the pestle & mortar to make them a bit more crushed.

EwanHoozami Thu 31-Jan-13 11:28:02

Ooh. I love sesame.

Funnily enough, I was about to extol the joys of tahini on celery sticks as a snack grin

Xenia Thu 31-Jan-13 11:36:30

History of UK sugar trade which shows some interesting stuff about the early coffee houses www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG1CM7zXK5w and addictive properties of sugar and their impact on the UK.

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 11:53:59

Lavenderbriggs - do you have the recipe for almond pancakes? I looked on the LC recipe thread and couldn't see it. I want some of that rocket fuel!

NoveltySlippers Thu 31-Jan-13 11:54:21

Xenia will have a look - sounds very interesting.

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 12:05:37


I have lost really well in the first two weeks, but nothing after that . Getting a bit disheartened as I have been really good.

Did you not read the posts I've written about weeks 3 & 4? <stern face>

You have already lost 9-10lbs, which is fantastic! thanks It's very, very, very common for weight loss to stop in these two weeks - and not impossible that you might put a little back on. It is entirely normal. Something to do with your body re-adjusting from being a carb-burning machine to being a fat-burning machine! It's nothing to do with you being badly behaved. (Assuming that you really haven't been badly behaved? wink)

Just keep on keeping on, and the weight will start to shift again soon. But be prepared for it to be a slower rate of loss from now on. Slower is better and more sustainable in the longer term.

Hello all! Feeling much more positive today despite the weekend's binge still showing on the scales, I think it's something to do with the sunshine down here in Dorset.

Greek yog for breakfast, salad with salami and coleslaw for lunch and for dinner I am having a go at the celeriac bake that choosandchips mentioned the other day - have persuaded DP he will like it! Re DP, he has been mostly having my evening meals and has been complaining of a bad stomach (he has mild IBS) the past couple of nights - could it be this change in diet? He's still having sandwiches at work so not totally LC...

Novelty, I have to hide from the Reese's in Waitrose... My well-meaning colleague presented me with two Oh Henry bars this morning too after a visit to the American sweet shop. They are BURNING their eyes into me sat on my desk...

And Bullet, am totally envy at trying on Jenny Packham - waaaaaaaay out of my budget but so very very pretty - enjoy!

Right, lunchtime I think...

Doshusallie Thu 31-Jan-13 12:15:38

The ONLY thing I ever have in coffee shops is decaf Americano, sometimes with a splash of pouring cream. Had an altercation with a polish bird manning the Cafe Nerro booth at Waterloo the other day when she tried to tell me the squirty cream was the same. Er, maybe in Poland love...........

"lunch" (so far) has been a decaf black coffee, tablespoon of Sainsbo Basics PB (addicted) and a boiled egg.

Anaisa Thu 31-Jan-13 13:11:22

blush BIWI - I did, I did read it and I am very pleased with the 9lb off (I so knew I was going to get into trouble for moaning :-))My only cheat was overdoing it on peanut butter one evening, so 3/4 of the peanut butter jar were binned to avoid temptation.

Got a telling off from my DH this morning for wanting too much too soon. He is not following lc per se, but eats what I cook when he is at home. He lost about 4-5lb which he is very pleased about as he is tall and lean anyway and only wants to lose a few pounds that crept on in the last couple of years. envy. So a big thank you from both of us thanks

mumat39 Thu 31-Jan-13 13:29:50

jaca hope tomorrow is not too difficult for you all. I'll be thinking of you. (())

novelty how lovely of your friend to say that, it must be really motivating.

Anaisa kids can be so cruel. My DS came home from nursery yesterday and declared he wanted another mummy sad

littlemiss, what do you do with the cabbage when you make coleslaw? Does it have to be sliced or could it be chopped in a food processor?

postbellum. That tiffin sounds just yummy! Do you think it would work with extra coconut instead of the almonds?

I was wondering about making a chocolate mousse thing with double cream and some cocoa powder and some grated dark chocolate. Would that work, do you think?

I made a blueberry icecream at the weekend with frozen blueberries pulsed in a blender with double cream and it was really really good. The frozen blue berries help turn the cream into a soft scoop ice cream.

ToomuchWaternotWine Thu 31-Jan-13 13:30:10

Morning all, I've not been posting much as I lost track of the last thread, but am going to keep up with this weeks one, hopefully!

thanks to jac and froufrou so sorry for your bereavements, hope you find comfort in good memories once shock has passed.

I have put on half a pound this week. Not surprised really, as its TOTM, the dreaded week 4, and I've had a couple of small slips. I am on my second "term" of low carbing, lost 20lbs on the last block and think I would like to lose about another 6/7 lbs to get down to my magic number of 145 - I am 5'8".

skandi just to add support to you in your sleep deprived haze, I really hope you find something that works. Do you have any family/friends nearby that could take Ds, or stay with him in your house while you go to theirs, so you get a decent nights kip? Or can you book a hotel for yourself for a night when your DH is back, leave him with the kids and have a nice steak dinner, a bath, read, and sleep as long as you like until its time for a hearty eggy hotel breakfast? (Can you tell I think about this a lot?)

So my aims are to drink more water, was getting lazy on this, going back to my old trick of drinking cooled boiled water from the kettle as I find it easier to slosh back a couple of mugs of that than freezing water from the tap. Also to up the veggie and salad count, as I was getting a bit meat cheese and egg heavy.

Keep on keeping on everyone!

herecomesthsun Thu 31-Jan-13 13:46:02

I whipped some double cream with some cocoa powder, very nice, have been eating a tablespoon with 1/2 dozen berries. Mind you, I like the bitterness.

mumat39 Thu 31-Jan-13 13:51:11

Oh. Next time I think I'll make the blueberry icecream with a bit of cocoa powder too. Yum.

Did you whip the cream with the cocoa ? Or do you have to whip the cream first then add it?

PostBellumBugsy Thu 31-Jan-13 13:53:15

mumat - if you have coconut flour, then yes, I think you could get away with dropping the ground almonds. If you are using dessicated coconut, you may find that it won't bind properly, because the dessicated coconut is not as absorbant.
Hope that makes sense!

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 13:56:46

mumat39 - there's a lovely recipe for 'pots au chocolat' on the recipe thread. From memory, they are around 5-8g carbs per serving.

mumat I just slice as best I can with a big knife, but I'm sure you could use a processor if you wanted it a bit less chunky!

mumat39 Thu 31-Jan-13 14:02:22

Ooh. Thank you postbellum. I'll try and get hold of some coconut flour!

Biwi, thanks for that. I was avoiding cocoa powder as the carbs per 100g is higher than 3 but will definitely have a look at the pots au choc recipe.


SavoirFaire Thu 31-Jan-13 14:04:48

BIWI I love you.

<disappears off to make peanut butter yoghurt with DCs...>

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 14:05:55


onawhim Thu 31-Jan-13 14:14:31

On the ice cream front - I make a version of a Jamie O recipe. Chuck a big tub of nat yog (Greek ff in this case) in blender with some frozen raspberries and blitz. JO adds honey, but it's good without.

Skandi - sympathy on the lack of sleep. My ds had got into bad habits recently and spurred by comments here I started CC a few nights ago. Last night he slept through - he's 2.5. So if you're not opposed to CC might be worth another try.

herecomesthsun Thu 31-Jan-13 14:40:14

I put a little cream in the bowl, put a teaspoon and a half of cocoa on top, then a little more cream, gave it a stir, added more cream and then mixed it with a hand mixer till it stood in peaks. I used Green and Black's cocoa, only minimal carbs in I teaspoon! I did it that way so that the cocoa wouldn't stick to the bottom of the bowl or form lumps. Then I put the mix in a plastic bos in the fridge and have been having a spoon at a time for a treat.

herecomesthsun Thu 31-Jan-13 14:42:32

Oh and 100g of cocoa powder would be 2/3 of a whole tub, you are only using an itsy bit so I would have thought that's okay!

Ruprekt Thu 31-Jan-13 15:25:23

Tis weird but the tiffin and pots au chocolate are not tempting me one little bit today!

Must have been cos of the Reeces dream!

Maybe I have got through the sugar cravings.

Iamaslummymummy Thu 31-Jan-13 15:54:47

Just had Greek yogurt, double cream, peanut butter and vanilla. Yum!

QuickLookBusy Thu 31-Jan-13 16:00:53

Hello all.

Like Ruprekt, I'm not craving a chocolate fix, I am craving bread though, I keep dreaming of toast with lots of dripping butter on it.

Today I've had-
B-cheese and Palma ham
L-poached egg with lettuce
D-steak, creamy mushroom sauce and roasted veg.

BlackAffronted Thu 31-Jan-13 16:30:44

I think I must have eaten something carby hmm yesterday I was unsatiable all day, needing snacks constantly and then had the worst nights sleep ever! Today I fee; bloated. No idea what it could have been though?

BlackAffronted Thu 31-Jan-13 16:56:12

Todays menu -

B - eggs, bacon, mushrooms
L - sausages, mayo, salad
D - Roast chicken, roast celeriac, buttered leeks
S - babybel

prettybird Thu 31-Jan-13 17:29:10

B - 2 spoonfuls of Lidl yoghurt
L - bowl of chicken broth (chicken stock with shallots and with the remains of the meat from the chicken carcass shredded in to it)
S - about 8 cold chipolata sausages (97% pork, minimal carbs), 2 brazil nuts and 2 cheese triangles
D - will be cold pheasant, buttery broccoli and creamy celeriac gratin

Have to say that dh and ds have rebelled at the thought of celeriac gratin for the third time this week so ate getting chips. grin

SavoirFaire Thu 31-Jan-13 17:31:56

Eggy day:
B: 2 eggs with butter
L: 2 egg omelet with spinach mushrooms and goats cheese. It was gorgeous!
D: will be roast chicken with some green veggies tbc, possibly courgette and celeriac dauphinois.
I also had a small bow of yogurt with peanut butter and a dash of vanilla- you lot forced me into it. It was lush. grin

Ilisten2theradio Thu 31-Jan-13 17:38:59

Was bad yesterday sad and had a Christmas biscuit.

Today though I met a friend who I hadn't seen since before Christmas who noticed my weight loss. ( and I measured 1.5 inches of my waist 2 off my hips YEAH) so that has sent me right back to being super strict again.

Today lunch was somewhat lacking in veg - I will make up for it at dinner - but my homemede pate was to die for - that won't last long!
(fry up mushrooms in butter add a slice of cut up bacon, tip out and leave the butter- add diced chicken breast and cook through - replace in pan with chicken liver add rest back to pan and add double cream and more butter( oh and a good splash of armengac(I hope it isn't too carby - didn't check)).
Tip out and blend. Spoon into ramekins and cover with melted butter. Chill in fridge

Jac I hope tomorrow goes as well as possible, and condolances to both you and froufrou.

AuntieMaggie Thu 31-Jan-13 18:02:31

Evening ladies... I've been mostly good this week but from Monday I'm going back to full bootcamp.. I say Monday as its my birthday this weekend so will be drinking...

I haven't been hungry this week, not sure if its this cough or woe, so have skipped lunch a couple of days.

Tonight for dinner I made Nigellas Meatzza which was nice but the base was a bit rubbish... I didn't use breadcrumbs or parmesan in it. Has anyone made this?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Thu 31-Jan-13 18:12:58

Hi all.

I've hit an unexpected hiccup. DH poisoned me with undercooked chicken thighs a week ago, but my tummy has never recovered. Am off work with repeated bouts of diarrhoea. I'm hoping to get to the doctor tomorrow. The nurse this morning advised me to eat nothing but bread, eggs, boiled potatoes, rice, pasta. No dairy, no caffeine, no sugar, no greens. I don't really know what to do for the best - I tried eating bread and butter yesterday and was a bit better and then had chicken caesar salad for dinner, followed by a bit of dark choc with strawberries in it (Lindt, mmm). Woke up this morning with tummy just as bad as ever. confused The thing is, I have noticed in the past that bread/pasta etc can give me diarrhoea! So not really sure what to eat. Have dispatched DH to Tesco to buy bread and chicken soup. Any advice, o gurus?

Doshusallie Thu 31-Jan-13 18:15:09

I'd actually like to know the average number of carbs I have a day. I have never bothered to count but am quite curious.

Can biwi or a carb counter guru cast your eye over today's food for eg and give me an estimate?

2 tablespoons of total ff Greek yog with say 3 table spoons double cream
3 breakfast frittatas from recipe section made with peppers, ham and eggs and mushroom. These were pretty small.
2 celery sticks
2 slices ham
Large chunk of Brie
Tablespoon of pb
6 macAdamia nuts

Not sure what is for tea yet, but any idea what the above would come to?

Yama Thu 31-Jan-13 18:23:12

Hi guys,

I've been a bit preoccupied for the last week or so. Anyway, I had a hospital appointment today which was a bit grim. X-rays show that my rod in my spine is broken. I must admit, I starting crying when the consultant told me. Then he showed me the x-rays. He says that that is not causing my pain though. He's done a few blood tests and will phone me tomorrow. Or a week on Monday as he is away next week. Was there for 3 hours.

Feeling a bit tearful. I was hoping I'd be in and out and that they'd tell me the pain was nothing sinister. Doc talked about more invasive tests.

That's all a bit garbled. Just needed to get it down.

captainmummy Thu 31-Jan-13 18:40:20

Dosh - have put your intake into MFP and the result is about 11g so far (have guessed at weights of 'chunk' of brie and assume Sainsbos PB.) the 'worst' offender is celery at 4g for 2 sticks, then the PB at 3g for 20g (crunchy) and the nuts 2g for 5-6 nuts. Everything else is only 1g each, (for your portion) so really not too bad.

Oh and i didn't calculate the breakfast frittats, as its difficult to guage - how many eggs, or peppers etc.

littlermiss I can't afford Jenny Packham either but I'm trying on all the designer dresses I love and then I might get one made by a friend of a friend in cheaper fabrics grin

captainmummy Thu 31-Jan-13 18:42:38

Oh and of course I should take off the 'fibre' (4g) so your intake for that food is about 7g. So far, frittatas notwithstanding.

Yama - that sounds horrendous. Even worse you have to wait over a week to get any more info?

BlackAffronted Thu 31-Jan-13 18:56:30

AuntMaggie, I tried the Meatzza, its on my blog, we found the base rather blah too.

BlackAffronted Thu 31-Jan-13 19:00:36

Oh Yama, poor you sad What kind of pain are you suffering? Im afraid I dont know your backstory. I hope you getthe news you want x

Doshusallie Thu 31-Jan-13 19:03:02

Captain thank you. Even if we go worst case scenario then with frittatas we could say 15g so far, and I,m pretty sure it will be less than that, as all frittata ingredients pretty low carb.

,preicate it!!!

Celery, who knew.....?

Yama sorry to hear that, how upsetting for you sad. I hope the news is good.

Yama Thu 31-Jan-13 19:06:38

Thanks you lot!

I have Scoliosis and a rod the length of my spine. I'm well used to lower back pain but have had upper back pain since the end of November.

I've just spoken to my Mum and feel a lot better. smile

BlackAffronted Thu 31-Jan-13 19:14:19

Mums are magic, arent they smile

Yama Thu 31-Jan-13 19:20:27

Yes, and she and my Dad are visiting on Sunday. Can't say fairer than that.

Eating wise, I've just been sticking to Bootcamp strict rules + wine at weekends.

BIWI's flaxseed crackers were ace. I use parmesan and mature cheddar instead of Cheshire though.

ShebaQueen Thu 31-Jan-13 19:34:33

Yama I am so sorry to hear about your back, I hope you get better news soon. I'm sure a visit from your Mum will make you feel a bit better.

I've been very strict today although I am not sure that I've drunk as much water as I should so I'm off to glug some more now.

Have a good evening all.

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 19:37:38

Dosh - I would have guessed higher than that, to be honest - but so much of what you have written is difficult to estimate. A tablespoon of yoghurt/PB - is it a heaped one?! Both of those get very carby very quickly.

Likewise your frittata - how many grams of peppers? And were they red or green?

Celery isn't a high carb veg.

If you really want to know, then you will have to weigh things and add it to the carb counter (on the spreadsheet) to find out!

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 19:39:09

Yama - sorry to hear your news, and that you are in pain. That's rubbish. sad

timidviper Thu 31-Jan-13 19:44:27

I restarted bootcamp yesterday so am trying to avoid nuts, seeds, etc which is hard for me.

Have done well so far today though:
Bacon, sausage, 2 duck eggs scrambled with a little cream
Fish topped with cauliflower cheese (leftovers from yesterday)
Snack- 2 small slices pork
Avocado with prawn mayo, pork chop, mushrooms in philly and cream sauce, cauliflower, baby carrots

Still have to wean myself off Diet coke though blush Don't tell BIWI!

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 19:45:10

<hard stare>

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 19:45:25

... and carrots? hmm

NoelHeadbands Thu 31-Jan-13 19:59:47


Yama sorry to hear of your troubles sad

Hope everyone else is ok, I read everything but seem to miss out huge swathes of posts by the time I come to post- sorry if I've missed anything

B- yoghurt and cream again
L - prawn cocktail
T - pork steaks with buttered spinach and braised red cabbage (no brown sugar or apple added)

Yama Thu 31-Jan-13 20:03:10

You are all being very kind.

Now someone tell me why there is nothing on tv? Kids have been asleep for over 15 minutes and I'm in my jammies. Perfect tv conditions. Dh is going to make me watch something crap I tell you.

Yama, that sounds horrid, I hope you are feeling alright.

Just popped in to report that the celeriac feta spinach bake thing was GORGEOUS, I added some chopped up streaky bacon and had it with some roast chicken thighs. Was intending there to be leftovers for lunch tomorrow but DP wolfed the whole rest of the dish, which though annoying is good as it can go on the list of LC things he will gladly eat smile

Valdeeves Thu 31-Jan-13 20:23:21

Quick - what can I add to halloumi to bring out the taste herb wise?

SavoirFaire Thu 31-Jan-13 20:23:52

Oh Yama you poor thing. I really feel for you. Do you mind me asking what kind of rod you have? I have 2 Harrington rods for same reason (fitted 20+ yrs go) and no one has ever mentioned to me the possibility of them breaking! Uncharacteristically MN big hugs from me and I hope the reality is better than it sounds right now. Did something specific happen to break it? (Feel free to ignore this if you don't want to get into detail).

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 20:25:19

Make a dressing of:

3 tablespoons olive oil
1 tablespoon lemon juice
1 teaspoon mustard powder
1 finely chopped clove of garlic
salt/black pepper
finely chopped coriander

Valdeeves Thu 31-Jan-13 20:29:31

Jac - I hope the funeral goes as well as it can tomorrow.

Yama - have you got some good pain relief? Poor you.

Bullet - OMG - love Jenny Packham. I never looked any good in her stuff though when I was trying on - too short and dumpy! She has made alot of Kate Middletons evening dresses hasn't she ? Have you tried Alan Hannah or Pronovias?

Skandi: how you feeling today?

BIWI - you really good do this as a job - you really are totally on the ball. What is your day job? (Sorry nosy - but I'm guessing its a good one!)

What a day! House hunting with little DD then off to big city hospital for her premature baby check up. She cried for 25 minutes solid in the car and I wanted to cry myself - long car journeys with a baby are stressful.

Breakfast - quick scrambled eggs with butter
Lunch - none - no low carb options in hospital coffee shop - no time for restaurant.
Tea - something nice with Aubergine and halloumi any tips ladies?

Ruprekt Thu 31-Jan-13 20:31:49

Blimey Yama! That sounds horrible. You poor thing.

B- Continental style with eggs

L - 2 bowls broccoli soup with parmesan

D - Salmon with proscuitto and mozzarella with creamy leeks and red cabbage and swede chips. Dh said it was amazing!

Later I will have FF yoghurt with 25g blueberries
Peppermint tea

BIWI Thu 31-Jan-13 20:32:49


I run my own market research company, Valdeeves. Currently not very busy/not much work, hence being here all the time!

Yama Thu 31-Jan-13 20:45:41

SavoirFair - yes, I have a Harrington rod. My op was in 1991. My surgeon was close to retirement and did the traditional operation. By 1991, there had been advances elsewhere. I had to wear a cast over my body for 10 months.

My consultant today was actually trained by my old surgeon. When did you get your Harrington rods? And was it for Scoliosis?

And, thanks everyone for your sympathy. It really has made me feel better.

Val There are 2 Pronovias gowns on my shortlist ( one is very JP and the other is full on fairytale!), I haven't heard of Alan Hannah - will google! I'm probably tall enough for JP but waaaay too lumpy!

Yama Thu 31-Jan-13 20:48:50

Sorry, have just re-read your post SavoirFaire. You said it was for the same reason. Do you get pain?

Consultant today said it wasn't terrible that it was broken.

It's just so weird that the break is exactly where my pain is. Up near the top.

Oh dear, just googled Alan Hannah. They are my kinda frocks! Bet he's well expensive confused

helpingout Thu 31-Jan-13 20:49:23

Evening everyone. Friends have started to notice my weightloss too which has given me a little boost. It seems to be coming off my waist first. Wish it would hurry up off my thighs!!!

B - natural yoghurt
L- roast pork with broccoli and swede
D - homemade burgers, mayo, rocket salad with dressing.

I am getting used to black tea which is something I never thought I'd say.

Bessie123 Thu 31-Jan-13 21:14:32

I <heart> Alan Hannah dresses. But we can't afford to get married.

yama sorry to hear abou your bad day. I hope you are feeling a bit better and things don't look so shit.

I just ate a mini veggie marshmallow. biwi how much damage will that do? It was just one and it was worth it

captainmummy Thu 31-Jan-13 21:25:50

Dosh - I did assume your tbsps to be level, (ie 15g) but as BIWI quite rightly says - it might be a heaped spoon. In which case I suppose amounts would double. I didn't want to suggest that celery was a high-carb veg - MFP puts it at 4g for 2 medium sticks, but then the 'fibre' has to come off too,which I think was 2-3g of it (can't remember now)

Helpingout - that's fab. Always a boost when people start noticing (until they start saying 'don't lose too much now, will you?' )

My day ;
breakfast - 1 pickled egg (mum gave them to me, i am working through the jar but they are definitely not my favourites)
2 coffees with milk at work
lunch - iceberg lettuce with grated cheese, coleslaw, mayo.
2 lattes with a mate (with a totally adorable 4month old baby - probably burned off a few cals just bouncing her and grinning)
dinner - some celeriac chips (not many, celeriac was going over so had to chop off a lot of brown bits) with a fried egg, half tomato and mayo.
Coffee with cream.

Lots of coffee today, mostly de-caff and too much milk.
2 ltires water.

SavoirFaire Thu 31-Jan-13 21:28:26

yama yes although nothing major - it's mostly background low level pain that i am totally used to. Worse since DCs though. Nothing that would worry me though! 1992 for me, 2 rods but never had a cast which was lucky so I guess some difference in the procedure. In the north west. Literally never heard of breaking before. Will have fingers crossed for you!

timidviper Thu 31-Jan-13 21:38:04

Crap, I just got a BIWI deathstare! <quivers>

I know carrots aren't good but it was baby frozen ones (4.4g carb/100g) and I didn't have many. I struggle with veg on bootcamp as I hate green leafy veg, broccoli, sprouts, etc and my celeriac had gone all dry and hard which threw me somewhat. Will make leeks in cream sauce tomorrow, mmmmm!

timidviper Thu 31-Jan-13 21:45:00

Spreadsheet has some carrots as 2.5g, which ones are they? Are they baby carrots? I wonder why my frozen ones have more in, they are those tiny little ones.

I had convinced myself that veg under 5 was ok but have just re-read the rules and spotted the magic number 3. Oops!

<don't tell her but I too had a few baby carrots tonight>

Sorry ladies am struggling to keep
Up with thread this week. Yama- sorry to hear. That sounds horrendous

Jac- good luck for tomorrow. Hope it goes as well as can be expected

Yama that sounds really scary and horrible - hope they find the source of the pain and can do something about it.

Littlemiss glad you enjoyed the celeriac spinach feta bake! All the other people I served it to (DH, DB, his gf) had no idea it was a low-carb "diet" food! grin

Val Ottolenghi does a really delicious mozzarella marinade that I often use the leftovers for to marinade halloumi in and then griddle - it's something like toasted fennel, garlic, lemon zest, rapeseed oil (I often use olive instead) basil and marjoram. Really good. A simpler version is just fennel seeds, lemon and olive oil. I also often use harissa as a marinade for halloumi and then griddle but no idea on the carb counts on that.

BIWI you are absolutely right about the wine <chastened> I am really struggling with that one. Down another pound today so I guess I didn't knock myself out of ketosis after all. It wasn't very much sugar - I am actually not having any sugar cravings at all (except for the wine) - it was a seaweed salad that I had never before realised had sugar dressing before, but now tastes horribly sweet.

Except I am still having snacks so that is why I was worrying I wasn't in ketosis - but I guess I must be if I'm losing, and it must just be that my body is reacting differently (I had a really dodgy tummy the first week and hardly ate so maybe catching up now I'm stable again and adapted?)

B: (on the run) hard-boiled eggs with celery salt
S: salami and cheese with coffee (loving that continental style snack - thanks whoever it was (I think Ewan/Novelty or both?) who put me onto that one!
L: broccoli and stilton soup
S: chicken broth with kale
D: Out to turkish local with girlfriend for halloumi, lamb/chicken shish, aubergine and yoghurt dip, lots of salad, a gin and soda (they didn't have diet tonic) and a very small glass of wine.

Oh and I forgot to say (how?? wasn't my post long enough?) that tahini stirred into yoghurt is also very good. I like mine with a bit of lemon juice in too, but do not have a very sweet tooth.

Valdeeves Thu 31-Jan-13 23:29:03

Ah BIWI - doesn't surprise me you run your own business - you sound pretty fab and dynamic! Hope more business comes your way.

I made what can only be described as an Aubergine mess as I got talking to a poorly friend on the phone and burnt it.
So tea became full fat yoghurt with a splash of cream.
Currently trying to dream feed a baby who just wants to dream....

Valdeeves Thu 31-Jan-13 23:29:50

I'm a teacher : )

mumat39 Thu 31-Jan-13 23:30:13

Littlemiss, thanks for the tip about the coleslaw. smile

Herecomesthsun, I'll be trying the cocoa and cream tomorrow. Good idea about sandwiching the cocoa in between the cream before mixing.

Yama, sorry you've had a bad hospital visit today. Fingers crossed you get the blood test results tomorrow, and don't have to wait for a week. Hope the pain eases soon. ((()))

ToomuchWaternotWine Fri 01-Feb-13 01:03:18

yama ouch, feeling for you, I do hope it can be sorted soon.

Iamaslummymummy Fri 01-Feb-13 07:27:35

Dh had a major blow out last night having done over 31 days with no drink. He told me he had 10 pints and then a bottle of shotz when he got home. shock

His appearance was totally different than yesterday morning - bloated, red rash on him, just... Fat. He felt terrible.

What's the best thing to do? Just water and strict boot camp?

yup slummy, plenty of water - why not eggs, bacon, mushrooms cooked in butter for breakfast (this WOE is not too bad for hangover food <shhh>!)

Yes- those of us experts in this matter<Dosh I'm looking at you> can confirm tons of water and very strict Bootcamp for a couple of days.
The low carb hangover is much worse which is also a regulator for how much I drink honest guv

Ooh Yy to hangover breakfasts. The only thing I would advise is for him to keep eating LC during day with plenty of fat as how blood sugar dips

yes, and be aware that he may well crave carbs like he never thought possible (ref. gless's point about blood sugar), so keep low carb snacks handy

catinboots Fri 01-Feb-13 08:04:36

Oh oh oh. I bought some ketostix yesterday and they turned purple gringringrin

I know we're not supposed to but I find them 'motivational'

I am just not hungry at all. Not one bit. Just ate some leedamer cheese and salami for breakfast. Now starting on my water. Going for a pub lunch with a friend today and have had a sneaky peek at the menu. It'll be either a salad or a steak.

Does anyone have any exciting ideas for what I can do with some chicken thighs tonight? Needs to feed everyone....

captainmummy Fri 01-Feb-13 08:22:46

Breakfast today was flaxseed crackers (made yesterday) spread so thick with butter that i could see my teethmarks! I actually made them to have with pate but prefer butter now any day.

Cat - chicken casserole? Or try de-boning them and stuffing with cream cheese.

skandi1 Fri 01-Feb-13 08:29:22

Morning everyone!

Just want to say a big thank you to all of you for the support.

Val. yesterday was truly horrendous. DS excelled himself by letting me have less than 2 hours sleep total between weds and thurs. I went for nap when he went for his but the flipping decorators woke him after 15 mins so DS spent the rest of the afternoon screaming because he was tired.

I was ready to murder someone!! And DH came home and thought I was "whining" and that "it's not really that hard to run a house and look after 2 DC". And proceeded to tell me about 5 star hotel in Paris and dinners at Michelin starred establishments (and obviously 9 hours sleep).

I am sad to say it was the straw that broke the camels back. I went completely off at him and we had a row. And "D"H isn't speaking to me. hmm

Anyway taking DD to preschool now but back later.

And I am sorry about the pity party from me on here but I am a saddo with no support in RL. smile

Iamaslummymummy Fri 01-Feb-13 08:31:31

Thank you. Fry up it is

Spanish chicken ipd recipe is lovely

EwanHoozami Fri 01-Feb-13 08:32:23

catinboots chicken thighs are great as they're higher fat than breast, cheaper and tastier too. I love 'em.

something really interesting I tried recently was japanese curry switching onions for shallots and serving cauli rice for me. I think miso paste is OK carb wise if you don't go mad.

Otherwise I either marinade in soy, ginger, sesame oil and five spice or doing a sort of spanish chicken thing if I have green peppers and chorizo knocking about.

I marinaded them in mayo, lemon juice and paprika a few weeks ago and that was delish.

Valdeeves Fri 01-Feb-13 08:41:37

Ewan - I will be trying those ideas!!!

Skandi - I feel your pain - why is your DH being so unsympathetic? What's his problem? Hacking no sleep makes every day just that little but unmotivated and depressing - I have an older boy and he has regularly had his moments but when we first had the baby I was lucky if I got two hours between them. Stick on this WOE though as losing weight will give you a boost you really need right now? Do you live in North or South?

OMG - I'm starving this morning - just really not eating enough to be honest as life getting in the way. Hopefully eggs and bacon for brekkie.

EwanHoozami Fri 01-Feb-13 08:42:03

skandi so sorry about your row. Does he give you a chance to catch up on sleep at the weekends? Sleep deprivation is such torture. My DS1 has a sleep disorder and is 3.5 so I have maximum empathy. It's so fucking hard sometimes. Your 'cloak of tiredness' comment a while ago really resonated with me. Have a sneaky hug and a brew

BIWI Fri 01-Feb-13 08:53:48

Oh skandi1 - what a shitty thing for him to say.

I suggest that you pack a bag and disappear somewhere overnight leaving DH to have the children. After all, how hard can it be?

Find your nearest Travel Inn/Premier Inn and book yourself in overnight. Seriously. Do it.

PennyHofstadter Fri 01-Feb-13 08:55:15

Skandi and Yama - I hope everything gets better for you both soon

I am feeling good today, I've lost a pound this week (so far) which I'm pleased about. I've been right back on it and haven't cheated so thats almost 8lb off now. It's better to have 8lb off than on! Breakfast is some FF yogurt, snack is celery and FF philly. Not sure about lunch yet but dinner will probably be some steak I've got in the fridge. I made meatballs last night which were lovely. Will definitely have them again. I put a little blob of blue cheese in the centre of them which added extra fat and flavour.

NoveltySlippers Fri 01-Feb-13 09:13:53

Morning all

Yama - am so sorry about your pain at the moment. It sounds dreadful. Hope you're taking it easy and people in RL are being good to you. Hope the new consultant gets it sorted.

Skandi Really sorry about your 'D'H. I have friends who've been on the receiving end of this comment and it's not nice. Maybe take up BIWI's suggestion? That'll 'learn' 'im!

Choos so glad you're enjoying the continental brekkie/snacks. I had no idea the simple combo of ham and cheese could be so satisfying. And I don't mss the bread at all!

PostBellumBugsy Fri 01-Feb-13 09:20:22

Crikey Yama, that sounds awful. Hope they get you sorted out soon. Enjoy the visit from your parents.

Skandi - definitely bugger off for at least the whole day on either Saturday or Sunday - if not the night too. Go to a friends, go to a healthclub, go to parents - book yourself a hotel room for the day (it is possible). Put your feet up & sleep. Your DH will be fine - because it can't be hard can it?

BIWI - had your creamy, peanuty thing last night & OMG it was to die for. Didn't have any greek yoghurt, so I just whipped up some cream, put a teaspoon of peanut butter in & half a teaspoon of cocoa powder and it was beyond yummy. I didn't have a proper supper (quite simply ran out of time), just a few bits of cheese & pepperoni, so it hit the spot perfectly (and I still managed to only eat 20g of carbs in the whole day!).

Xenia Fri 01-Feb-13 09:25:11

Agree with BIWI@s suggestion re Skandi (or go back to work full time - I found when I worked full time (we both did) when we had babies it was heaps easier than at home and then you don't get comments from another half like that either)

BlackAffronted Fri 01-Feb-13 09:42:49

Catinboots, fry the thighs til teh skin is crispy, then cook in the oven. Make a creamy garlic & mushroom sauce to pour over. Yum!

QuickLookBusy Fri 01-Feb-13 09:57:26

Skandi sorry your h isn't being sympathetic. I agree with the suggestion to pack a bag and go and stay somewhere. You will get a good nights sleep and he will get to realise what you are having to cope with.

I'm fed up this mornings I've put on a lb. I think it may be peanut butter, if I feel a bit peakish I have a little spoonful, I think I may be misjudging how much I'm having.
However I'm doing the 30 day shred 3/4 days a week, so I might try to convince myself it's muscle wink

Hey everybody, I've been really busy so haven't had time to check in for a few days. It's extremely heartening to hear of everybody's losses, reading through all these new recipes (MUST HAVE THAT TIFFIN!) and I'm especially looking forward to exploring and posting on the low carboy food porn thread (good call).

I think I'm back on track to losing. I'm 126.4lbs this morning (starting at 139) and I bought some ketostix yesterday and am very pleased to report that I'm registering a deep purple on the little diagramy thingy.

My menu for today,

B - 2 Rashers back bacon, sautéed mushrooms in butter, Steve's leaves, chilli flakes, fried egg
D - Something light, small tuna salad perhaps.
T - Roast pork shoulder with crackling, samphire, celeriac gratin....roasties, apple sauce and stuffing for DP and DS.

I made the celeriac gratin for the first time last week and it was TO DIE FOR. DP went absolutely bonkers for it and had 2 helpings. Today will be the first time we try samphire so I'm rather looking forward to that.

thenightsky Fri 01-Feb-13 10:38:05

Big spoonful of milled flax seed in my FF yoghurt last night has done nothing to 'shift' things sad

How long does it normally take?

Valdeeves Fri 01-Feb-13 11:05:51

Are you drinking warm water too?

halfthesize Fri 01-Feb-13 11:06:48

Morning all[coffee] flying visit and quick catch up.

skandi & yama I really hope things improve for you soon.

Jac thinking of you todaythanks

skandi so sorry to hear your notsoD H is being so unsympathetic and unsupportive.

Has he forgotten about also managing all the decorators, electricians etc etc?

I read that one dies from lack of sleep before lack of sleep - apparently a normal, healthy adult will die from lack of sleep after about 5 days (whereas food is about 16). So, he needs to take it seriously, and you should definitely if you can go away leaving him to it and catch up. Wish there was a hugs emoticon on mums net (sod it being unmumsnetty) thanks

Yes Jac thinking of you today also thanks

cathyandclaire Fri 01-Feb-13 11:16:54

I've admitted defeat and stuck my weight on the spreadsheet, been strict after cheaty cheaty weekend but still 1.5lb up. I'm not surprised I've been housebound with pups so not exercised and have grazed through the day, the fridge is just too damn visible!!
B:2 low carb sausages, egg
L: Cheesy, hammy leeky bake
D: Pork belly with creamy mustard sauce and buttered cabbage.
Onwards and downwards...

Lavenderhoney Fri 01-Feb-13 12:25:13

Have been doing very well but dh opened a bottle of champagne last night as there was one in the fridge so I had a couple of glasses. I had a lovely LCD breakfast of fried eggs and left over veg, then lunch of mezze which I didn't have any bread just the olives and dippy things. I have a feeling I have knocked myself out of ketosis and have been drinking water - how long to get my body back on it?

On the plus side my doc said my weight loss was remarkablesmile

Skandi, your dh is being very unhelpful. Not surprised you had a row. Has he apologised yet? And to ramble on about his big trip and his michelin * dinners!
Sleep dprevation is a terrible thing. Are you doing cc or doing loads during the day and feeding him up to sleep through? I went for the 2nd option as I am very soft and imagined all sorts wrong as to why he couldn't sleep.

Could your dh pay for a night nanny and you go to a hotel or stay with a friend for the night? A night nanny who is very experienced will be kind but have dealt with it all loads of times before?

I want to slosh with water and get my bloated tummy down ESP as its a bit upset.

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 12:30:01

Someone, whose name i can't remember said Re ketostix, that purple is a sign that you're in ketosis, but it should be a light pink colour that you need, dark purple means the ketones aren't being flushed out, so you need to drink more water.

Light pink means traces of ketones. So get drinking!

Doshusallie Fri 01-Feb-13 12:31:43

[thanks Gless for totally outing me as a booze fiend] grin grin

I had drunk 2 litres of water before 10am this morning. shock

greek yog for brekkie and about to go and make a smoked salmon omelette to have with coleslaw [drool]

Now what can I do with sausages this evening that isn't boring?

Doshusallie Fri 01-Feb-13 12:33:22

oh and am determined to get rid of sugary cereal in this house so gave the boys carte blanche to eat whatever cereal they wanted this morning to get rid of it. DS1 had bran flakes with cheerios and DS2 had crunchy nut cornflakes with weetabix! I will not be buying anymore.

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 12:36:11

Skandi big hugs to you(((())))

Your H sounds a bit like my DP. I remember when I was in labour with my first dc. The midwife gave a mattress and blanket to sleep on. So he did. All night. I was awake all night with a midwife who was serious falling asleep standing up. The next morning he woke up and kept going on about how tired he was. Unbelievable!

If you can, do what BIWI suggests. I don't know where abouts you live, but if you need help, just ask. I'd be happy to come out with your DS so ou can get some shut eye. I hope that doesn't sound too stalkery. I also have no rl support nearby so can understand how guard it must be.

Take care.

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 12:39:42

Ooooh Doshu, what will you give them instead?

I know it's still wheat but the original shredded wheat doesn't have sugar in it and raisin wheats are tasty. they are also sugar free and the raisin inside makes them sweeter.

It's incredible how many cereals that are targeted at children often have sugar as the 2nd or 3rd ingredient listed. They shouldn't be allowed!

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 12:42:38

Happy to come and help out with our DS...

And how hard it can be...

Sorry, terrible typing this morning plus stupid autocorrect = gobbledygook.

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 12:50:27

Your DS, obviously. <throws ipad out of the window!>

Here to help Dosh wink
I did say we though!

I am with you on the cereals - DS only eats porridge cereal wise and loves omlettes. DD is a bit more tricky as a fussy eater and loves her toast.


Skandi - haven't got time for a full post but get that Travel lodge booked for this weekend. You need a break lovey and some kip. If he is away travelling then he needs to pull his finger out and help.

Are any of us nearby? If so am sure someone would have them for a bit so you can sort all this out. Sending big hugs

Doshusallie Fri 01-Feb-13 13:29:35

Hi Mum - well I will probably still buy Bran Flakes, Shredded Wheat and Weetabix, porridge - as at least they are wholegrain. But I am now offering only those, and whole grain toast with pate or cream cheese. Jam, pancakes, crumpets, chocolate spread and the more sugary cereals are going out the window. Will also offer yoghurt and fruit sweetened with a bit of honey. Just feel so hypocritical that they eat so much crap when I don't due to health reasons. Their diet is actually very healthy and I am very lucky in that they eat ANYTHING, salmon, all veg, soups, etc, but I need to keep an eye on it. They don't have pasta or rice very often anyway.

mumat39 - That was me...and I tested when I hadn't eaten or had water for at least a couple of hours...about 1pm. Later on yesterday evening (after 2.5ltrs) I was definitely a lighter colour.

I've been religiously drinking between 2-3 ltrs everyday but if I do register dark purple again then I'll consider upping the intake.

I've just walked to Co-op and purchased all the ingredients for the tiffin mentioned earlier in the thread...unfortunately they didn't have flax seed sad...do you think sesame seeds might work as a substitute <clutching at straws>...I have ALL the other ingredients and I want my tiffin damnit.

pyjamalover Fri 01-Feb-13 13:41:55

Skandi totally agree with going away for a night, you really need some sleep, you will make yourself ill!
Yama sorry to hear about your back.

Am suddenly finding this hard, physically its fab, but if at home now find i just want to eat, its not hunger but entirely, i dont know, habit? Emotional? Am not succumbing to proper rubbish like biscuits or chocolate, but overeating big time on yoghurt and a bit on nuts. Any advice/psychological tricks to deal with this? Really don't want to derail myself.

ToomuchWaternotWine Fri 01-Feb-13 13:53:21

pyjamalover the only thing I can suggest is what someone told me to do on the first bootcamp I joined, which was to ask yourself the following questions?

Am I actually hungry? Or am I bored, fed up, sad, or possibly thirsty?
Does my body really need this right here, right now?
And think, "I have eaten this before. I know what it tastes like. I will eat it again in my lifetime, I am not saying never have it again. I just don't need to eat it, right here, right now."

If after that thought process, you are still hungry, then eat, enjoy, be mindful of every mouthful. Don't stand at the fridge or sink and shovel it in. If you are really hungry, take the time to plate up, set out cutlery at the table, sit down and enjoy properly. If you can't be bothered to do that, then you are not really needing it.

HTH (in the non sarcastic sense)

PostBellumBugsy Fri 01-Feb-13 14:03:41

pyjamalover, I have really struggled with the eating for no reason thing too. For me, it is largely habit. I was in the habit of having a biscuit with a cup of tea, because for some reason tea on its own wouldn't do. I was in the habit of just browsing throught he cupboard for "a little something" even though I wasn't hungry. I was in the habit of rewarding myself with a snack after I'd done something I hadn't really wanted to do. I was in the habit of having a snack if I was a bit bored.

But we all know that food is not a reward, is not a solution to boredom is not something that has to be consumed just because it is there!!!

I think you just have to accept it takes a while to get out of the habit. I've lost weight really well with this WOE in the past & I know that I will get to the point where I just stop thinking about food. I'm 5 weeks in this time, as I started on 28th Dec and I am already noticing that I am alot less interested in food, than I was when I started 5 weeks ago.

So, give yourself a bit of time. I found making a drink instead of eating very helpful, as well as removing myself from the kitchen!

lavenderhoney a couple of glasses of champagne should be OK (is the lowest carb of the wines) provided you didn't eat anything else too carby yesterday - and drink lots of water today.

skandi I meant that one dies of lack of sleep before lack of food - sorry, typing too quickly! But that stat might help your D oops I mean O-H to take it seriously. Will see if I can find where it came from.

BlackAffronted Fri 01-Feb-13 14:07:09

My local grocers delivers wee bags of ingredients called "soup in a bag". For just £3 you get a brown bag with all the ingredients you need to make a big pot of soup! Its fantastic. Today I made broccoli, courgette & basil and it was to die for! I have put a pic in the food porn. The other soup he was delivering was red pepper & lime, which sounds amazing but I am guessing too carby? You even get a wee pot of herbs & spices to add, as well as fresh herbs. I swapped the onion for a shallot though. I just ate 2 bowls blush and added a wee swirl of cream to add some fat.

BlackAffronted Fri 01-Feb-13 14:12:10

PJLover, a friend of mine is a hypnotherapist, and she helped me with my "habit eating". It wasnt so much emotional, as boredom and just plain habit snacking! She made me an mp3 that I listen to once a week (less since starting this WOE) and thats the only thing that has ever helped me. This woe definitely lessens it though.

Hmm it seems the book I read that cited that was exaggerating - there isn't any evidence to prove humans die, and five days is incorrect as longer periods of sleep deprivation with no permanent ill effects are on record, but studies in animals suggest that humans would die eventually through lack of sleep:


pyjamalover Fri 01-Feb-13 14:21:48

Thanks guys, really comforting to hear its not just me, always been ashamed of how damn greedy i am!

Like the idea of really thinking before eating, will get there eventually.

BIWI Fri 01-Feb-13 15:02:05

During the Dr Briffa day there was a session about the Emotional Freedom Technique - or tapping, as it is also known - that was talked about as a way to deal with cravings.

Some videos on here about it

I thought it was a bit 'woo', if I'm really being honest, but Dr Briffa was pretty evangelical about it, and uses it himself.

Could be worth a try?

BIWI Fri 01-Feb-13 15:04:28

The other thing he said, about things that you crave, is that often they are things that are perceived as a very pleasurable reward - a piece of chocolate, some cashew nuts or white wine were all the things that people on the day admitted were their rewards/pleasures.

His best advice was to make sure that you don't have them to hand/in the house, and/or that you substitute them with something similar enough but that doesn't give you the same level of pleasure. His example was to replace roasted, salted cashews with unsalted almonds, or to substitute Sauvignon Blanc with vodka, lime and soda. Both will fulfil the same purpose, but one is much less obviously pleasurable than the other - presumably, therefore, you will crave it a lot less?

Xenia Fri 01-Feb-13 15:20:14

That sounds very wise. I think it takes up to 3 weeks to break a habit and you can certainly lose your craving for addictive substances including sugar if you stop having them and do not waver over a consistent period (same with alcohol and drugs).

The addictive substances trigger an immediate release of pleasure stuff in the brain (but are followed by a crash anyway and a desire for more and more in order to have the same addictive hit).

Yama Fri 01-Feb-13 16:50:00

Lovely to come home work and read all your messages of support. smile

You are a lovely bunch, you really are.

Skandi - nothing worse than needing support off someone who doesn't even appreciate what you do or how hard it is. I ran back to work after mat leaves.

The consultant hasn't phoned today. Dh has said that he will come with me to all future hospital appointments to ask questions and take in what they tell me.

BIWI Fri 01-Feb-13 17:26:40

yoo hoo - Willie! There's a mistake on the link to the Food Revolution video on the spreadsheet. I've tried to correct it (youtube at the end of the link was spelt youtu.be), but it doesn't turn it into a link any more

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 17:29:59

Thatgirls, I think there was someone upthread who couldn't eat flax seed as it gave them hives, and I'm pretty sure that sesame was an alternative.

It sounds like you're drinking lots of water. I really struggle with that so my ketostix are often too dark. hmm

Yama, that's lovely of our DH to offer to go to your appointments. It's hard when you're waiting for news. Hopefully if the consultant could have called today but didn't, it means it's nothing too serious. I'm a terrible worrier and can't think of anything else if I'm waiting for someone's call me back. Hopefully you'll be able to distract yourself until he/she calls.

Does the consultant have a secretary who could help you? Xxx

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 17:34:38

BIWI, I've tried tapping before and for the few days I managed it, I think I did find I slept better. I did it because I was looking for something to help me with anxiety. I did it on the sofa last thing at night but I was always worried about DP coming in as I felt a bit silly. I'd forgotten about it but might try it again as I'm turning into a bit of an insomniac as I find it difficult to switch off.

My take on it is that it is a bit woo, but it's non invasive, doesn't involve medication so def worth a try.

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 17:35:09

Yama, your DH. blush

mumat39 Fri 01-Feb-13 17:46:58

Pjlover, don't feel ashamed. Craving foods and esp carby stuff is actually due to sugar addiction. I think maybe it's withdrawal symptoms. The thing is, if you're snacking on things that are ok on this woe, then you shouldn't worry about how much you're eating. I'm not. If you've been like this for years, like I have, then I'm assuming that the habits are still there and I'm just trying to answer the questions posted Toomuch posted above and then going for olives, or ham, chicken, avocado,cucumber or all of them wink

Don't be too hard on yourself. I'm sure we'll get there in the end. I went out on Monday for a meal and had mozzarella, tomato, basil and lettuce as a starter followed by steak in peppercorn and red wine sauce and a largish glass of red wine. I also had extra veg and no potatoes and I'm slightly thinking I might have piton for the next weigh in, but I don't think I care as I actually managed to avoid having potatos, more wine and Tiramisu, which is unheard of for me.

I guess for those of us who have sugar addiction issues, everything we eat will have to be considered from now on. A bit like an ex-alcoholic might with booze except for us it's the wrong sort of carbs.

Waffling on, sorry. Just wanted to say you're not alone. Big hugs to you. Xxx

Kiriwawa Fri 01-Feb-13 17:51:44

I have been mega busy so no time to post really but have had a quick scan of the thread. Sorry to hear about the back pain, the funeral, the non-sleeping children. January is a horrid month (despite being my birthday month).

Please will someone help with the flaxseed crackers - I'm doing something wrong because I'm basically making flaxseed sand. It doesn't go crunchy, it doesn't form cracker shapes. <cries> I only had grated cheddar in the fridge so used that - is that the problem or am I not rolling it out thinly enough? sad

In more positive news, I tried on a skirt last night that was v tight around the waist last time I wore it and it isn't any more smile

BIWI Fri 01-Feb-13 17:54:02

Which recipe are you using, Kiri?

Boobz Fri 01-Feb-13 18:07:44

Thanks all for the lovely well-dones... Now have moved from Kenya to UK and it's bloody cold! Am trying my hardest not to drink copious amounts of red wine to compensate...

Kiriwawa Fri 01-Feb-13 18:19:51

The one you posted the other day BIWI. I combined 50g each of butter and flaxseed and 100g of grated cheddar (it's the prebagged stuff so fairly chunky in consistency). I didn't roll it though, I pressed it onto greaseproof paper on the baking tray so that it was about 2mm thick,

Thinking about it, there is no way it was the right consistency to be able to roll it out between cling film and then transfer to a baking tray.

captainmummy Fri 01-Feb-13 18:41:44

Kiri - I made flaxseed crackers yesterday - 100g milled flaxseed to 1 egg and some cheese. i used 25g parmesan and rolled in betweenmy silicon baking sheet and clingfilm, and chucked in oven.

Lovely with salted butter.

Doshusallie Fri 01-Feb-13 18:44:29

Welcome to the UK boobz!! Wow yes, that must be a temp plummet. Red wine medicinal in those circs surely? grin

Mum sometimes after the food quantities I have eaten in a day I think surely i will have gained, and I haven,t. If you are eating the right things you will be fine.

BIWI Fri 01-Feb-13 18:44:35

Was it milled flaxsee, Kiri?

captainmummy Fri 01-Feb-13 19:04:58

Talking of milled flaxseed - I bought whole linseeds and tried to mill them. I tried in the processor (they just went round and round without being cut) and I tried in the mortar and pestle (too much hard work).

Buy them ready-milled in health-food shops.grin

Any ideas of what to do with whole linseeds?

thenightsky Fri 01-Feb-13 19:16:31

I nearly bought unmilled by mistake too, but they looked soooo hard I thought I'd not be able to mill them myself so went for ready done ones. Its a shame they are so expensive though. Holland and Barrett seem to be the only place round here to get them too.

Kiriwawa Fri 01-Feb-13 19:25:02

Yes, milled. I did try them the day before with unmilled and that was an unmitigated disaster so I made a special trip to H&B. They didn't have any plain milled so I had to get some with added probiotic and vitamin D.

I am usually quite a good cook, honestly grin

I have a feeling that whole linseed are not actually digestible and just go straight through you, whereas milled you can actually get something out of them

Welcome back to the uk boobz!

Sorry to hear you're in such pain Yama, hope treatment is not too scary

Skandi I hope tonight is better for you

Jac hope the funeral went ok

I have seen linwoods milled flaxseed in waitrose btw

BIWI Fri 01-Feb-13 19:36:30

When you mixed the butter, cheese and flaxseeds together, what kind of consistency did you get?

NoelHeadbands Fri 01-Feb-13 19:36:31

Hi all, hope everyone's ok this balmy Friday evening ((jac))

I get milled flax seed from Sainsbo's, makes a lovely bread substitute when mixed with ground almonds and eggs and baked. . You do pick jelly textured seeds out of your teeth for hours after a slice though smile

MrsHoolie Fri 01-Feb-13 19:41:04

I just made possibly the most gorgeous dinner I ever have!

Slow cooked creamy chicken (from the hamlyn slow cooker book,I missed out the flour).
With Jamie Oliver's roasted cauliflower and steamed Kale.
DP had a jacket potato with his.
Definitely making that again. I bought the chicken breasts from the butchers and I think that made a difference,they were nice and plump.

Collywibbles Fri 01-Feb-13 19:50:29

Kiri no idea about the crackers as I haven't made them but be careful wit