Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI Sun 20-Jan-13 17:08:47

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you’re hungry - if you’re not hungry, don’t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you’re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don’t force yourself to eat. But don’t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals – meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don’t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it – this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more – compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn’t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you’ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this – but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you’re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product – so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you’re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you’re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please – only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information – these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb – 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don’t forget you will need to sweeten this – and not with sugar!)
Blackberries – 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries – 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries – 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts – BUT – check the back of your packets as I don’t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us – and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable – occasionally – to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

BIWI Sun 20-Jan-13 17:10:16

Having said all of that, if you're happy on Bootcamp, you can continue with it. Or, you could do a hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

KerryKetosis Sun 20-Jan-13 17:14:04

Nice one BIWI!

<marks place>

BIWI Sun 20-Jan-13 17:15:36

I always grin when I see your name!

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 20-Jan-13 17:15:45

Thanks llovely, marking place wine

slatternlymother Sun 20-Jan-13 17:19:13


<marks place>

I'm afraid I had a teaspoon on chutney with my cheese after lunch today. I was very good otherwise; even swapped roast potatoes for extra kale. Have I bolloxed it all up?

Marking place!

BIWI Sun 20-Jan-13 17:24:36

I doubt it, slatternly.

slatternlymother Sun 20-Jan-13 17:34:02

I'm not trying to annoy you, sorry blush

<marks place and settle down to pork scratchings and fizzy waters with a slice of cucumber>

Oops that was meant to be water not waters. But given how much water we are meant to drink it was probably a Freudian slip grin

NoelHeadbands Sun 20-Jan-13 17:47:00

Evening all

oliviafrombolivia Sun 20-Jan-13 17:55:24

hello all, has anyone tried making oopsie rolls? Did some this morning, had one with chicken avocado mayo and another for a snack with mackerel... they obviously are not bread but are useful to put food on like a sandwich.. I substituted baking powder for cream of tartar.


LucyVFood Sun 20-Jan-13 17:57:26

Hi everyone,

I feel greasy with the butter and mayo at the moment. I prefer tomato to cream when it comes to sauces, so am feeling it this week. I also miss beans and wine, although not together.

Haven't been weighed since last Monday though, and it's too late now so we'll see tomorrow. I guess the proof's in the pudding, if you'll excuse the food related idiom.

I've also had the "dangerous diet" telling off from a couple of people this week, including the 'calories in, calories out' remarks, which I can never argue with.

You all seem to be doing great though, well done!!

Ruprekt Sun 20-Jan-13 18:09:43

Am looking forward to weigh in tomorrow.

B - sausage, bacon, scram egg

L - none as had late breakfast

D - pan fried lamb fillet with oil/garlic dressing, sprouts, roasted red cabbage, roasted bn squash and swede.

Cheese and water

Ruprekt Sun 20-Jan-13 18:11:06

And I am sending thanks to all the supporters on this thread which is making this WOE much more fun and enjoyable.

Thanks to BIWI and Willy and all the others who are offering help and advice.

And you are much less scary than ANY WeightWatcherWoman I have been weighed by!!!! grin

Hear, hear rup smile

slatternlymother Sun 20-Jan-13 18:34:53

grin at missing beans and wine lucy

EwanHoozami Sun 20-Jan-13 18:40:28

For those moving on to bootcamp light and looking to incorporate a few berries with breakfast, may I introduce cream cheese pancakes?

they are easy to make, adaptable and deeeeelicious. You really don't need to add the sweetener, they are lovely with just a shake of cinnamon and a blob of yogurt on the side.

Evening all. After my moan about missing out on Sunday lunch earlier, I ended up having a really nice dinner - chicken breast stuffed with garlic butter and a bit of Jarlsberg, wrapped in a slice of bacon and baked, with broccoli and a creamy mushroom/Parmesan sauce. I'm stuffed!

Can't believe we've done 2 weeks already - it's flown by. I'm hoping the next 8 weeks go as quickly!

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 20-Jan-13 18:56:48

so happy, my shopping has come and in it were several 200g pots of FF total.

Who knew yog could be so exciting?

coldethyl Sun 20-Jan-13 18:58:07

Not caught up with the end of the previous thread, but I want to say Ewan I wish you'd posted that this morning! I tried almond flour pancakes and they were very meh. Not bad tasting exactly, just incredibly dull. The kids hated them and I had to make proper pancakes anyway and then watch them eat them. <sob>

oliviafrombolivia Sun 20-Jan-13 19:03:49

walks away from thread, hands in pockets and whistling nonchalantly

Wilding Sun 20-Jan-13 19:05:44

NOT looking forwards to weigh-in tomorrow as I know I have put on weight this week.

Like the idea of bootcamp during the week & bootcamp-lite at the weekends so I think I will try that this week. Seriously periody this afternoon so have eaten some chocolate but am trying not to beat myself up too much - I didn't put this weight on in two weeks and it's not going to go away that quickly, particularly if I don't follow the rules!

Planning big salad with avocado, and some leftover tomato and ricotta stew for dinner.

vnmum Sun 20-Jan-13 19:11:24

I have just posted a yummy cheap recipe on the recipe thread. It is mild mince beef curry in the slowcooker and is lush. The DC loved it and i had it with cauli rice. Definately having again.

Doshusallie Sun 20-Jan-13 19:13:46

Inserts self onto thread

GinotPrigio Sun 20-Jan-13 19:19:03

Ewan Those cream cheese pancakes look delicious. I'm running out of breakfast ideas!

Stupid question but is cream cheese just normal Philadelphia?

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 20-Jan-13 19:28:18


Really craving something sweet!!!

barleywood Sun 20-Jan-13 19:48:03

Evening all....thinking of you all as I down yet another pint of water smile

thekitchenfairy Sun 20-Jan-13 19:50:53

Thank you BIWI, glad the chat is continuing,it really is inspiring me to know so many of us are in the same boat.

BIWI, you are amazing, a veritable database of humour and all good things LC grin. and the support of this thread is incredible.

Never have I felt less deprived on any WOE and while I am only losing a pound or two every week I am overjoyed and frankly flabbergasted that I am not getting limp with hunger... Ever!!!!

I have, I confess, had a little slippage this weekend ... sorry everyone, but unforeseen stress and distress... And finally relief and jubilation led to Several glasses of wine... it is not good but I resisted choc, cookies, croissants, fresh baked bread... all manner of temptations that I would previously have dived into rather than facing the crisis in hand and I m back on it today and drew a line under the blip with a freezing morning run.

Loving the look of the oopsie's and the pancakes... Think I will do BC during the week and the lite version at the weekend, I still need to kill the sugar cravings before I indulge in anything 'extra' grin

thekitchenfairy Sun 20-Jan-13 19:52:53

barley I think this water thing is almost addictive ... I hit 3L and no wifi don't drink enough early enough in the day I am permanently thirsty.... And gushing, quite literally grin

barleywood Sun 20-Jan-13 19:56:42

kitchenfairy grin

slatternlymother Sun 20-Jan-13 19:57:43

No pistey DON'T DO IT!!!

Well done on resisting thekitchenfairy, I also feel really 'well' on this WOE and doubt I'll change.

Bessie123 Sun 20-Jan-13 20:05:54

Wow, I am definitely going to make those oopsie rolls and pancakes this week. Especially looking forward to a cream bun.

Me, dp and dcs just had a really nice dinner - roast Quorn, braised cabbage and sprouts a la more than toast, broccoli and celeriac roasties. Didn't miss roast potatoes at all and I love them usually. My dd was nearly sick when I made her try the sprouts though; not a fan, obviously.

Just had my fave LC meal yet - gorgeous sausages from the butcher, loads of broccoli and the braised cabbage - sooooooo good! I'm sticking with full BC this week as have a hen do at the weekend which involves afternoon tea, and I don't think I can pick the middles out of the sandwiches in a fancy hotel!

Doshusallie Sun 20-Jan-13 20:28:45

Had salmon again, cooked in foil with butter and salt added - served with leeks and courgette par steamed in microwave, then stir fried in butter with mushrooms, added 2-3 tablespoons of soured cream, thyme and sage. Utterly lovely.

GibbsGirl Sun 20-Jan-13 20:31:23

Thekitchenfairy you're not the only one who's slipped this week and I think i shall be doing full bootcamp again this week to get back onto the woe. I know alot of the problem is in my head, but I'm determined to get there. Want to say thanks for everyone's stories this week.

Jacaqueen Sun 20-Jan-13 20:33:47

Thanks for the new thread. Thought that I better mark my place so I can find you all for the weigh in tomorrow.

I will try and contribute a bit more next week but things are just a little bit crazy here at the moment.

I am going to continue with Bootcamp for now. I am in the mood to just get on with it. This won't last so I want to make the most of it.

skandi1 Sun 20-Jan-13 20:35:44

Back again and marking place.

BIWI. Over the last few days I have eaten:
B- none. Had lie in and missed it.
L- omelette and bacon.
D- roast chicken with salad and stir fry cabbage.
S- pepparami and bag of M&S pork crackling.

B- lie in so missed it.
L- omelette and sausages (2x Waitrose 3g of carb p 100g)
D- roast chicken and celeriac chips w mayo
S- pepparami and yog w vanilla powder.

B- omelette
L- salad with smoked salmon
D- chorizo, mushroom frittata.
S- M&S pork crackling and yog w vanilla powder.

I have drunk between 3 and 4 l of water every day and I am down to 1 coffee a day.

KerryKetosis Sun 20-Jan-13 20:39:04

well, two weeks in and I'm staring to get bored of what I'm eating. Someone inspire me and please keep posting your meal plans for me to pinch!

B: scrambled eggs with sprinkle of cheese
L: chicken curry from the best curry cafe in the world grin
D: 2 frozen birds eye burgers hmm

Snack was going to be corned beef slices until the cat snuck up and got 'em angry hmm

I've got loads of veg that has gone to waste this week because I haven't meal planned properly and I've been too busy to cook.

Just marking place whilst on my crapberry, I'll check in properly tomorrow!

Thank you all so much for the support, recipe and food ideas. I'm so happy I've made the 2 weeks as I haven't managed just this far for yonks, and its thanks to you lot helping me along xx

My son is 7 this week and I'm going to be baking him a cake. I'm doing ok with resisting things, but how do I explain that I can't partake in some cake with everyone? I don't want him to think I'm not joining in, but I really don't want to balls up how far I've come. I can resist the cake but his dear little face?..... I know on eating the cake I'd feel shit afterwards. Maybe if I made myself a little 'pudding' type thing (even if just berries and cream) to have at the same time, he wouldn't see me as being quite the odd one out, if that makes sense?

Carrotcakeisace Sun 20-Jan-13 20:46:52

Marking space on new thread

Dinner was roast pork with lots of yummy crackling, buttered swede and cauli and broccoli. The plan is to stick on BC because I have a lot to lose but I may allow myself a drink or some nuts/seeds once a week. I dont feel deprived doing this WOE so I don't need anything iyswim but dont want to get to the danger point and break

SavoirFaire Sun 20-Jan-13 20:47:12

Definitely continuing boot camp for at least another week but then I need to given today's cheat

B: scrambled egg with mushrooms and bacon
L: Chicken ceaser salad, no croutons. Suspect the dressing was more carby than I should have had but there was literally nothing else on menu at cafe that I could have eaten and I forgot to ask them to leave dressing off. Oops.
D: homemade chicken curry with lots of green veg
but I also had quite a large bite of DSs lemon drizzle cake

KerryKetosis get that veg in the freezer quick if not too late. I always bulk buy and then chop up, par boil (some things) and freeze so I can use later. Also makes cooking quicker when you're in a rush as some of your veg is pre-prepared.

Valdeeves Sun 20-Jan-13 20:49:02

Sounds good! Just going to add a question to the other thread as have a few things I need to ask - thanks for this!
My cousin's just announced a surprise wedding in four weeks - so glad I am ahead with the weightloss!

Evening losers
Some inspiring stories on here.

Just marking for tomorrow's weigh in

B 3 egg omelette with mushrooms Salami and cheese

Missed lunch as not hungry

D chicken broccoli cauliflower and splash of gravy

QuickLookBusy Sun 20-Jan-13 21:12:18

Had a lovely food day today

B-Fried mushrooms and egg.
L-mackerel salad
S-peanut butter and celery
D-roast chicken, roast celeraic (looked just like roast potatoes, whole family loved them) cheesy leeks and broccoli. I did have gravy, but only a dribble!

thenightsky Sun 20-Jan-13 21:13:14

Marking place on new thread. Dreading weighing day tomorrow as I was last week's % winner and no way have I lost much this week... I know this as trousers still tight round tummy sad

Did the moussaka from the recipe thread tonight for dinner - OMG.. fabulousness grin

ToomuchWaternotWine Sun 20-Jan-13 21:17:54

Evening all, hope everyone has had good weekend.

B 2 eggs, scrambled with butter and cream
L small bowl chicken salad
D bacon, low carb sausages, fried egg, mushrooms, lots of spinach

I raided Lidl this morning so have stocked up lots of lovely LC goodies, they are def the best supermarket I've found for getting LC stuff, lots of lovely cold meats, the famous Lidl giant tubs of yoghurt, decent veg (they ALWAYS have celeriac in my local one) etc. much cheaper than my local Tesco too.

ToomuchWaternotWine Sun 20-Jan-13 21:24:12

thenightsky it's not a contest, competition or judgement, everyone will give you a big well done, no matter what. The winners per week is just a bit of fun, please don't stress!! (Stress releases cortisol, which makes us hang onto fat!) smile

k75 Sun 20-Jan-13 21:24:53

Hi...official weigh in tomorrow but did a sneaky check this am (esp as had a glass of wine so wanted to check I had not blown it plus a couple of weird meals due to travelling for work)

3.4kg so far in 2 weeks, hurrah. Think i am going the bootcamp in week, light on weekends (or read have a glass of wine).

Anyone come up with anything sweetish we can eat....?

Marking place for weigh in tomorrow

Hope everyone is doing ok and keeping warm!

I do find this WOE excellent for winter food (cabbage, stews, roasts) as well as summer food (salads and bbqs etc) despite lack of mashed potato!

PennyHofstadter Sun 20-Jan-13 21:38:26

Marking place for tomorrow. Today I've had some bacon and mushrooms for breakfast, spatchcock poussin with roasted broccoli and red cabbage for lunch and an omelette with mushroom, pancetta and sprinkling of cheese for dinner. Snack was avocado. Drank around 4 litres of water.

Quick question... This maybe TMI but but has anyone else had a bit of a dodgy feeling stomach while doing this? My stomach has felt slightly odd for the last couple of days. I can't really describe it!!

Lastyearsmodel Sun 20-Jan-13 21:50:37

Ugh, hideous bad mood today. Mid-cycle so probably not PMT. Just horrid, raging, resentful ughness all day. Don't feel 'deprived' on this WOE, so not that.

Haven't strayed though, even with the urge to binge - had the odd teaspoon of peanut butter but didn't hit the bread bin. I wonder, because I am such an emotional eater, if this is the emotions from the past 2 weeks catching up with me somehow?

Here's hoping the scales say good numbers tomorrow.

Have to say, it really, really helps knowing you lot are here. smile

HumphreyCobbler Sun 20-Jan-13 21:57:28

<waves to everyone>

I am still here, I want to mark my place on the new thread as I still pop in to keep myself on track smile

Kiriwawa Sun 20-Jan-13 22:06:28

I'm a week and a day behind everyone else but I might weigh myself tomorrow. I think my tummy is a bit flatter than it was - my jeans seem more capacious anyway.

My digestive issues seem to have resolved themselves - the only thing that's scupperring me at the moment is the snow - we've got masses of it and I've run out of sparkling water!

<first world problem> grin

lucy and penny I was also feeling greasy and queasy with a dodgy stomach for a few days last week then had a much lighter day yesterday and now feeling much better - not sure if it's a phasing into ketosis thing - a few others said similar.

- scrambled eggs and spinach
- Sunday lunch with celeriac roasties - they are really, really good!
- cheese (more a snack than supper - not hungry for any more than that but did stuff myself at lunch)

thenightsky Sun 20-Jan-13 22:42:25

Feeling 'greasy' is a good thing in my world. My skin is normally horribly scaly and dry, yet now its all plump and smooth and lovely!

Marking my place although I won't be weighing tomorrow - I'm away with work & don't have scales. Think I'm going to try & wait 'til next Monday (doubt I'll manage it though) and hopefully record a mahooosive loss then grin

Enjoying this WOE & I look better (all the water I think) though I don't think I've seen the same weight loss I did last time I followed Bootcamp

I've had the implanon implant since last time and wonder if that could be impeding weight loss. Any experience anyone?

Either that, or maybe I'm eating too much cheese. I'm going to cut back on that this week & see if that helps.

thanks for the new thread & well done everyone

Ruprekt Sun 20-Jan-13 23:00:48

marking my place for the morning

thekitchenfairy Sun 20-Jan-13 23:05:15

Thank you slattern and gibbs

Has been a hard week but only a small blip and seems like I'm in good company.

Good day today I think,

B eggs scrambled with cheese, spinach, local 98% meat butchers chipolata
L watercress salad, cheese,
D roast chicken, stir fried greens, tomato and olive casserole

where is this mythical vanilla powder of which ye all speak? I really really would like some... Please don't say waitrose... The nearest is 50 odd miles away and in another county grin

Ruprekt Sun 20-Jan-13 23:06:06

homemade peanut butter

Could we ackshully eat this?????

BIWI Sun 20-Jan-13 23:09:43

thekitchenfairy - it is, indeed, in Waitrose. If you PM me your address I'll send you some!

MrsHoolie Sun 20-Jan-13 23:18:12

I looked in our mahoosive Sainsbo's for the vanilla powder.

I shall get myself down to waitrose.

Blimey,so many shops to go to. Lidl (yogurt) waitrose (vanilla)local butchers (decent meat) and Sainsbo's for all the rest.

Feeling great here (apart from odd tummy feelings here too). Had roast pork with veg for lunch and was so stuffed I just had a few bits and pieces for my tea.

See you all at weigh in tomorrow.

Ruprekt Sun 20-Jan-13 23:19:40

BIWI - ahem??

Valdeeves Sun 20-Jan-13 23:56:43

We had a lovely dinner of garlic, butter, garlic, oregano and stock roasted pork with broccoli, cauliflower and courgettes to accompany. Very nice - spent the whole evening bursting for the loo as I was downing a 2 litre bottle of sparkling water. My DH kept coming into the living room with a chocolate biscuit shoved hastily into his mouth.
Right now I really miss crunchy tastes.
I'm feeling a bit low today - probably because it was the wkend after my bday and we had to cancel plans due to snow.
Also I'm so tired at the minute - just dragged myself around all day and felt unappreciated. Just one of those weekends where you argue and argue and the dust never really settles.
Can't weigh myself tomorrow as still no scales!

BIWI Sun 20-Jan-13 23:59:20

Impatient to get going, Ruprekt?!

The carb count for that looks OK, so I would say 'yes'!

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 21-Jan-13 00:05:56

Ok just remembered a small cheat involving some chocolate peanuts a couple of days ago but even so, how can I have put on about 3.5 pounds. Am really wavering at the moment. Want to stick with it but am just peckish a lot of the time and really craving buttery toast or chocolate. Hope this week is better than last.

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 00:07:15


B- none. Had lie in and missed it.
Bootcamp rule no 1 - you should be eating breakfast
L- omelette and bacon.
D- roast chicken with salad and stir fry cabbage.
S- pepparami and bag of M&S pork crackling.
^ a lot of processed meat here - bacon, pepperami and crackling^

B- lie in so missed it.
Bootcamp rule no 1 - you should be eating breakfast
L- omelette and sausages (2x Waitrose 3g of carb p 100g)
D- roast chicken and celeriac chips w mayo
S- pepparami and yog w vanilla powder.
^ again, processed stuff - sausages and pepperami^

B- omelette
L- salad with smoked salmon
D- chorizo, mushroom frittata.
S- M&S pork crackling and yog w vanilla powder.
again, a lot of processed food - smoked salmon, chorizo and crackling

You're eating hardly any veg or salad stuff and you're not eating much fat. You are eating a lot of protein instead.

You really need to make sure that you are eating fat, then protein and then carbs. And really cut down on the processed stuff, which is full of artificial ingredients. We're aiming on Bootcamp to eat natural, fresh and unprocessed stuff as much as we possibly can. And you must supplement the protein that you choose with fresh veg and salad.

Missing meals, at the early stage of Bootcamp is not a good idea. We're aiming to stabilise our blood sugar levels. Once you do this, you will find you're not hungry, and therefore the need to snack disappears.

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 00:08:03

.... with apologies for fomatting fail!

hazchem Mon 21-Jan-13 03:31:09

Think I just had the dubious honer of being the first to add my weight to this weeks weigh in. Pleased that it's almost 2 pounds off!

KerryKetosis I had pan fried iceberg lettuce in my omelette this morning was really tasty. Also had corn beef hash but using aubergines instead of potatoes The flat leaf parsley sort of cuts though the fat so it's much tastier and lighter.

B)fried iceberg lettuce omelette and coffee with cream
s) Flat white coffee as we were out and it is anew coffee bar smile
l) Iceberg, toms, avocado, corn beef/silver side with olive oil and red wine vinegar
S) couple of slices of cheese decaf tea with cream
D) Beef wraps (minus the wrap for me)

I'm sticking with bootcamp for this week except for tomorrow as it's my Mums birthday so having berries and yogurt for breakfast.

Lavenderhoney Mon 21-Jan-13 05:09:55

just added myself to the fabulous spreadsheet. how exciting! have quite a lot to go but managed to lose another few pounds this week. Thank goodness for the support of this thread and the lovely receipes. Have one for braised lettuce somewhere so am going to look it outsmile

Happy to report another 2 lbs off this week smile Woke up early and couldn't get back to sleep because I was wanting to know what I weighed, so here I sit at 5.30 am!

cathyandclaire Mon 21-Jan-13 05:41:09

Managed to stay the same, chuffed with that as had the challenge of a Chinese takeaway last night, stuck to mainly low carb, no sweet sauces....seaweed (avoided the sprinkle stuff) chicken wings, sizzling steak, salt and pepper fish don't mention the glass of white wine and handful of prawn crackers
Safely at target( although another couple of pounds off would be good) so strict day today and then bootcamp light for me smile
Good luck boot campers!!!

sybilfaulty Mon 21-Jan-13 06:03:04

Adding mysrelf to the thread. Will weigh in a min. Good luck everyone.

Haven't yet weighed in so really just marking place! This is my third week do have been doing boot camp light in that I added a berry smoothie for breakfast, as I've been struggling with having something eggy every day... Nice at the weekends, though!

Missed breakfast yesterday as I just wasn't hungry... Was amazed to get no hunger pangs all morning despite going swimming with the family and providing chocolate cake for them as a snack afterwards! Made it home to my lunch with nary a wobble.

Considering a month ago I was a raging grumpster if I didn't get fed by 8am, I couldn't quite believe it!

ScillyCow Mon 21-Jan-13 06:33:43

Added myself to spreadsheet.
2 lbs off - I am sticking with bootcamp for another couple of weeks!


BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 06:54:42

KerryKetosis, just saw you asked on the last thread where I got the pork skin from, it was in the chilled meat area, where you would buy your normal belly pork etc, was just on the shelf next to it.

Have lost 1lb of my 4lb gain. I suppose its down. Hvae been strict bootcamp since Friday. So official weight loss after 2 and a bit weeks is 9lbs total, which I know is good but after seeing a 12lb loss initially is a bit disappointing.

TaffyandTeenyTaffy Mon 21-Jan-13 06:55:46

2.5lbs off for me this week - making 3.5lbs in total smile. Sticking with hard core bootcamp for now.

Not entirely convinced this WOE is for me long term but am going to stick the 10 weeks out. The weight is going in the right direction so thats the main thing.

B - mushroom omelette
L - lettuce wraps with egg mayo and prawn mayo
D - chicken and a creamy, onion sauce, cauliflower, brocoli, green beans
Loads of water!

Am starting to get a bit fed up of egg and fried mushrooms/salmon/bacon for breakfast. Not a big yoghurt eater - any ideas what else could I have?

TaffyandTeenyTaffy Mon 21-Jan-13 06:58:38

Oooops. Meant to say well on all the good weight losses. Well done grin

TheEarlyBird Mon 21-Jan-13 07:06:56

Hi, have just updated the spreadsheet, I hope. Down 7.1 lbs over two weeks so very pleased but have had to make a correction on the spreadsheet as I went wrong at some stage - doh! Am going to stay on Bootcamp for another week or five as I really want to shift some lbs.

Morning all and well done on the losses! thanks

Don't get too despondent if you didn't, it's never so much the next two weeks as the first (a lot to that first week is water retention), also check with BIWI as you may need tweaks eg less dairy, more veg, more water.

Two and a half pounds down this week, six and a half in total, which I am very happy with. But more than that am happy as have lost the carb bloat and have cheekbones back, and nearly also a waist again, yayy!

SavoirFaire Mon 21-Jan-13 07:18:30

Morning. Congrats on losses everyone. I'm down 1.5 pounds since last Monday. Given I have had a few discretions over the last few days I can live with that! Strict bootcamp for me and DH at least during the week.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 21-Jan-13 07:18:40

Great losses people! Have only lost 0.2lbs this week but I'm not surprised as I'm so close to my goal weight.

Bloody snow everywhere here, which doesn't make it any easier. Take care outside everyone.

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 07:19:03

Well done to all you losers!

Yesterdays menu -

B - scrambled eggs in coconut oil

L - Creamy veg soup

D - Loaded chicken breasts (recipe in the recipe thread) based on Biwis chicken pizza thing with loads of salad & homemade coleslaw

S - ham slices, small bit of cheese, homemade pork crackling

GinotPrigio Mon 21-Jan-13 08:00:36

Morning! Only 1lb down for me this week. A bit disappointing as I was hoping for 2lbs but at least its going in the right direction!

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 08:03:05

2.5lbs down for me last seek which was my week 3 so pleased with that. Well done everybody.

Can't wait till I can get to Morrisons to buy pig skin. Never though I'd ever say that grin

BandersnatchCummerbund Mon 21-Jan-13 08:05:15

Morning all.

I haven't lost any weight this week - or managed to keep up with the threads - as have a had hellish week and fell off the wagon into a huge biscuit tin. But I haven't gained any weight either - still minus the 4lb I lost during Week 1 of Bootcamp.

BIWI, just how important is it to repeat Bootcamp if I only managed 1 week? confused I think I can manage Bootcamp Light a lot more easily as this week is still going to be very busy, but if it's crucial to re-do Bootcamp I'll give it a go. Apologies to everyone for failing last week and mucking up perfect group results. sad

Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 08:08:08

I weigh 182lbs today so that is a weightloss of 11lb for Bootcamp!!!!!!


MsRinky Mon 21-Jan-13 08:08:18

Well done losers. Unsurprisingly given my birthday this week, no actual loss for me to report, but no gain either. This will probably be pattern for next couple of weeks, as on Saturday am hosting joint birthday party where booze will flow like water, and then following weekend am off to Edinburgh for Mr Rinky's 40th.

Snow day for me today, so leisurely breakfast of mushroom omelette, chicken salad for lunch, thai fishcakes and stir-fry for dinner.

Jacaqueen Mon 21-Jan-13 08:10:22

Morning everyone and well done to all the losers.

3 off for me which makes 7 in total.

thekitchenfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 08:14:12

What a beautiful morning... A crisp frost... And 2more pounds lost!

Will just enter it on the FOS, have busy day at hospital with DS1 so will check in and catch up later.

Good luck ladies, can't wait to hear about all your fabulous losses grin

hurrah for losses, and well done to everyone who has done two weeks of bootcamp

i am continuing with bootcamp as was rather derailed by funeral, hospital visits and work travel over the last two weeks. all back to normal now so need to get on an even keel

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 08:19:52

Morning, another 2lbs lost here too (although it was definately 4lbs on Friday hmm) making it 12 lbs total loss for me on bootcamp. At least it's in the right direction.

Had about half an inch of snow overnight; only stuck on rooftops and fields though. Cue texts from DS' nursery saying they were understaffed and could we not bring children in unless absolutely vital hmm It doesn't take much!

Well done to everyone who has lost this week! smile

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 08:19:58

Can I check what the rule is re flax on boot camp light? I have ipd and they say its OK for me now but wanted to check as its not in the rules either way smile

EwanHoozami Mon 21-Jan-13 08:25:38

Morning, dears. Well done everyone on continuing losses.

Banders you've not mucked anything up, old girl. STS is a bit of a result after a biscuit incident!

1lb down here but as it's menstrual-fest at the moment and I'm retaining like a camel I'm happy with that <glug>

I'm going back to Bootcamp Light-ish for the last few pounds towards my target.

PrettyPirate Mon 21-Jan-13 08:38:39

Morning losers!
Only 1lb loss last week but at least it's a loss. Had my first cheat on Saturday, went to London for a weekend with DH and I probably had about a bottle of white wine!! Dinner was at Greek restaurant, so didn't cheat with food but I really enjoyed the wineshock.
Back on track since Sunday morning.
Will continue with bootcamp and do bc light over the weekend, for probably 4-5 weeks.

Yesterday couldn't stop thinking about sweet stuff! Last night I dreamt I was at school cake sale and they had most wonderful creamy cakes there, sort of French patisserie type ones. And didn't have any - even in my dreams I'm strictgrin.

Have a good week everyone!!

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 08:43:02

thekitchenfairy would you enter me in on the SOF please? I'm at work so I keep getting blocked hmm

I wonder if my smaller weightloss has got anything to do with the bacon I've been nibbling on? I shall cut that out and see what happens.

catinboots Mon 21-Jan-13 08:43:07

Morning campers

I am 3lb down today despite the paella incident on Saturday!

I did what you all suggested and had an omelette before I went, then picked at the paella. I did have a couple of glasses of wine too. Back on track yesterday and strict week this week. I want to be under 10st 7lb by my birthday at the beginning of March.

Re the oopsie rolls - I have made them before when I've done Atkins. They are ok! You can slather them in butter and fill them with ham, or egg or chicken mayo and salad.

gloriafloria Mon 21-Jan-13 08:44:59

Morning All and well done everyone for getting to week 3!

I'm 3lbs down today making a total of 11lbs which I am finding unbelievable. My goal was to lose a stone by May so I know I can do it. I'm enjoying this woe so I'm going to stick with bootcamp during the week and then go lite at the week ends. Need to get into some regular exercise to start toning. I feel great and clothes are fitting nicely but not looking fantastic in the mirror without clothes!

Thank you so much to the fantastic support on this thread. thanks

Lastyearsmodel Mon 21-Jan-13 08:47:34

3lbs off! Strangely mood much improved too grin.

Have lots to lose so will stick to bootcamp for another week. Sympathise with other poster who is missing crispy things - tried pork scratchings yday and gagged. Will try making cheese cracker things.

Well done all you losers and maintainers! Wishing us all lots of stick-at-it-ness for the coming week.

Morning all, 2lb down for me, which is fab, though am envy of those who've lost over 7% already and I'm still less than 3! Still, sat here with my yogurt and managed LBT class of pain this morning so keeping plodding on. Hooray for all the losses!

herecomesthsun Mon 21-Jan-13 09:09:50

Well, it has been a difficult week in some ways - but I am at the same weight as last week which represents a 9lb overall weight loss.

I can see there have been flaws in my technique which include
- not drinking enough water most days.
- drinking more coffee than I strictly should (though I use almond milk and decaf at home mostly)
- raspberry lapses (4 one day, 8 another day)
- an incident involving some home made lemon drizzle cake that it would have been too too rude to refuse (and it was yummy, only a very small piece though)
- lashings of cream, mayonnaise, Boursin. It is great that we are allowed this, and I have not let myself become hungry, but a little more moderation might help with the actual weight loss.

I have some ketone strips somewhere, I could therefore check re the ketosis. I am wondering whether to continue with strict Bootcamp or go to Bootcamp light. We do have a whole punnet of raspberries in the fridge that are very tempting!

herecomesthsun Mon 21-Jan-13 09:12:50

PS I haven't been able to locate the spreadsheet to update (though my weight is stable, so not much change really)

thekitchenfairy Mon 21-Jan-13 09:22:57

All done slatternly

Thank you BIWI.. Some thanks for you. Am v much novice at all this site stuff but will work out how to do that in a mo.

To all of you craving something crunchy... Check out the recipe thread, I have posted my Dukkah ingredients there. You can adjust spices to your tastes and it is hitting the spot for me... And kept me away from a mahoosive carb laden buffet supper this weekend, tho I did get a few odd looks when I reduced my own plate of feta and a little pot of spicy stuff grin

PennyHofstadter Mon 21-Jan-13 09:30:40

Well 2.3 down for me this week. I am slightly disappointed because yesterday I was weighing in at 178.5 and this morning had gone up to 179.75. It means I've lost 5.5lb in around 10 days though (as I only weighed myself from the Thursday) which I suppose isn't a bad loss. I'm hoping that rogue pound will come off again today!! I'm sticking with Bootcamp for now although I may allow myself a glass of wine at the weekend. I miss wine...

carbalanche Mon 21-Jan-13 09:33:19

Morning! 3Ibs off for me totalling 11Ibs for the 2 weeks. Marvellous. Went out on Friday night and drank slimline tonic all night - it contained sucralose but lesser of two evils. Can't remember the last time I went to a social event and completely abstained, probably when I was pregnant.

Am not sure what I am going to do this week. I had a decaf cappucino yesterday for the first time in nearly 2 weeks and have had cheese/cream cheese but not in vast quantities. Don't know whether to introduce any fruit yet. Am keeping off the booze for the forseeable.

Good luck to everyone else this week.

LucyVFood Mon 21-Jan-13 09:41:52

Yay! I lost 4lbs this week, so that's 7.5lbs for 2 weeks. Happy days.

Well done everyone!

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 21-Jan-13 09:42:46


Arse - No change here this week, so 4lbs in total over Bootcamp.
I did the fat and the water and the constant ketosis.

But in Good News I have 5 x 200g pots of Total full fat in my fridge smile

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 21-Jan-13 09:43:58

Morning all you lovely losers!

I am 2.5lbs down today, very pleased as this is my second bootcamp and I am within half a stone of my target weight now, and have lost all the xmas gain.

This woe definitely feels more like a lifestyle rather than a "diet" now. Right, off to make a nice eggy brekkie. Have a poorly Ds at home so quiet day for us.

NoveltySlippers Mon 21-Jan-13 09:45:53

Morning all, and congrats on all fab losses and STS!

I am happy to report I've lost 5.4 pounds this week. Reason being I think due to being very vigilant and doing strict bootcamping after my spectacular falling off of wagon binge the previous weekend.

So I suppose it was really like first week of bootcamp for me, and expecting smaller losses from now on.

Jacaqueen Mon 21-Jan-13 09:49:47

Those that are using almond milk, how many carbs does it have and what make is it?


caramelwaffle Mon 21-Jan-13 09:57:58

<marking place>

Good morning everyone.

A very trying past fortnight which meant Bootcamp went out of the window.

Am having to start bootcamp from today and not bootcamp light.

Well done everyone on your losses.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 21-Jan-13 10:02:33

Well I have lost 1.5lb this week. Considering that I have had a couple of "cheats" this week - small ones though, Its not too bad. And I have realised that this week unlike the first I have not been drinking nearly enough water, so I will have to up that considerably this week I think and see if it helps.
Well done to everyone else. I'm not jealous of all those larger losses envy really!hmm.

Well done everyone! I'll being weighing at about 2pm, when I can get to some scales. smile

NewStartSameStory Mon 21-Jan-13 10:06:49

For all of those sad over little weight loss in bootcamp, I put on weight over bootcamp admitted cos things were falling head first in disaster but still Also slowly slowly wins this battle. well done to all the losers

I haven't weighed this morning cos i forgot. I have eaten breakfast, had a small cheat for bootcamp (hot squash) but haven't raided the chocolate biscuits for breakfast which was yesterdays breakfast. So going to spend the day drinking water and getting on with stuff that keeps me busy. Also going to try to stay away from the coffee. I find the more i drink the more i want to drink and it becomes a really nasty circle.

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 21-Jan-13 10:08:06

Good morning all. Been struggling to keep up with the thread but wanted to say well done to everyone for getting this far. Some amazing losses again.

Only 1lb down for me this week. I was on track for more (obsessional weigher) but I have a nice visit form AF this morning and I think that is probably having an effect.

TBH I'm not too bothered. This WOE is great. I don't feel deprived, I'm loving the food and am not craving carbs at all which is like liberation! Even if I only lose a pound a week, I'll be at my target before summer. I am NEVER going back to self deprivation, cardboard food and self punishment to try to lose weight. BIWI and all you wonderful ladies have shown me the light!

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 10:11:05

Morning all! Some great losses here, which is fabulous thanks

Lavendersblue Chocolate peanuts will not have helped you! But I'm more concerned that you say you're hungry. That would suggest that you aren't eating enough and not eating enough fat - which will also not be helping your weight loss. Can you list out for me what you've been eating over the last few days?

BlackAffronted - you have lost 9lbs. That is 18 packs of lard! Please don't you dare be disappointed with that grin

Taffy - the thing with breakfast is not to treat it like a different meal that requires different kinds of food. Leftovers from dinner the night before can make a great breakfast. Or have a look at the recipe thread for inspiration - asparagus frittata would make a good breakfast. Or just go continental - sliced meats and cheese

Bandersnatch - don't be silly - you haven't let the side down! It's entirely up to you if you want to continue on Bootcamp. It would certainly help re the weight loss because it will make sure that you are in ketosis and are therefore fat-burning, which is what we're trying to achieve. But if you find it too restrictive, you can move to Bootcamp Light - just be careful you don't suddenly add in masses of carbs as that will really derail you and the weight will go straight back on

Ruprekt thanks fab!

Iamaslummymummy - I don't know about flax as it's something I've never used/bought. Why are you considering it?

slatternly - there would be issues with eating a lot of bacon from the point of view of additives/ingredients, but I can't see that it would have caused a problem with weight gain. More importantly, though, you talk about your small loss. But according to the SOF you have lost 12lbs! In whose book is that a small loss? grin

catinboots - well done for managing the paella!

gloria thanks brilliant

herecomesthesun - entirely up to you if you want to continue with Bootcamp or move on to Bootcamp Light. 9lbs is a fabulous loss, so thanks But don't bother with the ketostix - a waste of money! If you are keeping the carbs down, you will be in ketosis.

Penny - fabulous! But don't despair - you are weighing daily, and this is something you have to accept with daily weighing. Your body weight fluctuates quite naturally and sometimes it will go up, for no apparent reason. If you can't accept that without it upsetting you, then stop weighing every day!

carbalanche thanks fab!

Lucy also thanks

Pistey you haven't got masses to lose, so you were never going to see a huge amount. Just keep on keeping on! (But don't eat that yoghurt all in one go ...)

Novelty - yay!

For me, I slept in this morning and was woken by a delivery man ringing the doorbell. I was so discombobulated by it all I dived straight into the coffee before weighing, so will have to weigh-in tomorrow.

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 21-Jan-13 10:12:26

grin at cardboard food, none of that here!!

skandi1 Mon 21-Jan-13 10:14:42

Well done everyone on the losses.

Well. I have lost nothing this week. Nada nix not a sausage!

I have not cheated. I drink plenty water. Argh. It's not fair. My clothes are not looser either. I am destined to be lard arse forever <weeps>

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 10:20:08

skandi1 - did you not see my post ^ ^? You haven't been following Bootcamp rules! There are lots of things you could do to tweak what you've been eating.

Don't despair! grin You will not be a lardarse forever, and you shall go to the ball ...

But you need to take all the comments I have made on board, and start eating properly.

EwanHoozami Mon 21-Jan-13 10:20:23

B: Lidl yog
L: ham and spinach omelette
D: 5 spice mackerel with sesame greens

Totally iced-in today. Am on the top of a big hill that has turned to sheet ice and I can't go anywhere with a kamikaze 3yo plus baby in a buggy. I'll be mostly putting too-big clothes on Ebay while the small folks watch cbeebies do some enriching and worthy craft grin

PennyHofstadter Mon 21-Jan-13 10:29:02

I totally agree with Platoon about this WOE... I haven't been feeling hungry or been tempted to snack on bad foods during these last couple of weeks which is a good thing. And BIWI you are, as always, the voice of reason and completely right! I do need to take the natural fluctuations in my weight if I choose to weigh myself every morning. I am pleased that I've lost the weight I have and my stomach is looking so much flatter than it has done for a long time which I guess means I've lost some carb bloating from round my middle. This is good grin.

Well done everyone on your losses. We can do this!

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 10:34:52


I have constipation problems from the drugs I take and my gynaecologist has said I mustn't let it be a problem again. Scared that even with the magnesium I take that it might start to be a problem given the carb reduction.

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 10:34:57


GinotPrigio Mon 21-Jan-13 10:42:19

Well done to all the losers this week, big and small!

I tried Ewan's cream cheese pancake recipe that she posted yesterday. OH MY GOD - they are amazing! I did put some sweetener into them (hids from BIWI's stick) and also chopped up 2 strawberries to go on top.

After 3 weeks of no fruit and very limited sugar the strawberries tasted like the sweetest thing in the world, it was incredible!

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 10:46:35

Sorry biwi. Am on the android app and can't remember how to bold! grin

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 10:46:58

I have Alpro almind milk, unsweetend, and its 0.2 carbs per 100 ml.

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 10:51:07

Sorry Iamaslummymummy - my grin was not about your constipation problems, but in reply to Penny's post!

You need to make absolutely sure that you are getting your carbs in the form of veg/salad, and this will help to keep your fibre levels up. Also, if you drink plenty of water and eat the fat, you should be fine. But I understand this is a medical issue, so you may need to take proper advice about it and how to avoid it.

Just so you know, though, I have been following this WOE for some time now, and it has never been an issue for me. I go regularly every day and (sorry for the oversharing) sometimes more than once. So low carb, per se, should not cause constipation.

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 10:54:19

It does slow me down BIWI, and I eat lots of fat, veg, drink 4 ltrs water AND take magnesium! I used to be so daily, now I am 5 days sad and it is painful (sorry tmi). For me, its the only downside to this woe. I hope its sorts itself out soon.

skandi1 Mon 21-Jan-13 10:55:27

BIWI. Just seen your post. Thanks.

I will hunt down some alternative snacks. I need snacks that are instant (ie no prep or cooking required) and portable as I don't know what the day will hold with a toddler and pre schooler.

I will try and eat more veg. Not a massive fan of veg as such. Mushroom and onion being the exceptions. Will hunt out the broccoli.

I have to have lie ins at the weekend. I can barely manage as it is. If I didn't get the extra sleep at the weekend, I would collapse. DS sleeping is hideous. Had yet another night of 4 broken hours and am sleep walking through the day. Ugh. The lie in at weekends isn't up for negotiation.

Ideas for instant and portable snacks are welcome.

Bessie123 Mon 21-Jan-13 10:55:27

taffyandteenytaffy how about tofu fried with soy sauce and mushrooms? Or the cream cheese pancakes that someone kindly posted a link to earlier (must say, I wasn't keen on them though)? Or those oopsie rolls with bacon in?

Bessie123 Mon 21-Jan-13 10:56:10

Ooh, and only 1lb for me but it's still a loss so I'm pretty happy.

herecomesthsun Mon 21-Jan-13 10:57:55

*Jacaqueen" here. There are different sorts of almond milk though. The lowest is 14 cal and .2g carbs/ 100ml (looks in fridge). There was a special offer on at Waitrose for buying 3 for £3 till 2nd April- it keeps quite well, so I would be able to use up 3 within the expiry date.

Could someone link to the spreadsheet please?

AuntieMaggie Mon 21-Jan-13 10:58:46

Skandi read BIWIs post about your meals at 00:07:15!

I lost a further 3lbs at the start of the week and have stayed the same since so 9lbs in two weeks - yay!

Was hoping for more but still ill not eating really but drinking loads. I made a vat of sugar free jelly yesterday to have with berries and cream... a little cheat but its so soothing for my throat and one of the few things I can stomach.

Congrats on all your losses.

Biscuit357 Mon 21-Jan-13 10:59:18

Marking Place!

No loss this week (boooo) but have started the 30 day shred so am optimistically hoping that I've put on muscle and got leaner (in 3 days!?)

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 10:59:58

Skandi, cheese? babybels are very portable. Boiled eggs? Bit smelly though.

I agree with the lie-ins, couldnt cope without my weekend sleep!

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 11:01:58

I saw hazlenut milk at Morrisons this week, but they didnt have an unsweetened version sad sounds lovely though!

herecomesthsun Mon 21-Jan-13 11:04:14

Fairly instant snacks

- avocado

- cheese block

- ? keep box of celery/ cucumber stix in fridge to grab poss with cheese?

- peperami or sliced meat

- nuts

- hardboil 6 eggs at once and put in fridge in labelled box. I am thinking of making dukkan to try with this (not got round to it yet)

- Total yoghurt

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 11:05:01

Thanks biwi. The doctors just want me to take revolting laxido so I just need to manage it. We are eating prada of greens. My diet is much much better than it had been for months. I have several health conditions including chronic fatigue syndrome. This woe is making me cook. Its giving me something to do with my day now I can't work. It really is wonderful. thanks

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 11:07:08

Btw dh is now on 13lbs since nyd. He's a happy man!

herecomesthsun Mon 21-Jan-13 11:07:15

Oh and also - Waitrose reductions produce little packs of smoked salmon, goose and salmon mousse etc sometimes for pennies - adds variety and provides a new taste experience for the DC!

Bessie123 Mon 21-Jan-13 11:12:31

iamaslummymummy and blackaffronted you can get flaxseed in oil form from holland and barrat. It is in the 1p sale just now but you must mix it with food because it has the rankest taste ever. You can also get aloe Vera colon cleanse, which apparently gives you a 'gentle, natural, overnight cleanse'

NoelHeadbands Mon 21-Jan-13 11:14:30

Well done everyone!

STS for me this week, onwards and downwards

jan2013 Mon 21-Jan-13 11:14:44

you have my sympathy skandi - also not coping very well at the minute on lack of sleep. at my wits end with dd waking continually all night its a nightmare can't even think straight anymore!

NoveltySlippers Mon 21-Jan-13 11:19:38

Iamaslummymummy I take ground flaxseed (though haven't done on bootcamp) for all the nutrients and Omega 3s. I wasn't taking it on Bootcamp assuming it was carby, but I just read this:

"It may be tiny, but it’s mighty: The flax seed carries one of the biggest nutrient payloads on the planet. And while it’s not technically a grain, it has a similar vitamin and mineral profile to grains, while the amount of fiber, antioxidants, and Omega-3 fatty acids in flax leaves grains in the dust.

Additionally, flax seed is very low in carbohydrates, making it ideal for people who limit their intake of starches and sugars. And its combination of healthy fat and high fiber content make it a great food for weight loss and maintenance -- many dieters have found that flax seed has been a key to keeping them feeling satisfied."

So sounds like it could go on Bootcamp light?

NoveltySlippers Mon 21-Jan-13 11:25:05

Taffy I was a massive consumer of carbs at breakfast pre-Bootcamp. However, I've totally gone down the continental route for brekkie now - I eat a slice of thick (good quality) ham and cheese. I mix the cheeses up for variety. Mature cheddar, Gouda, parmesan (hard cheeses are good on this WOE.)

And I'm loving it! I feel like I'm at the Oktoberfest in the morning and should be wearing lederhosen. Love it! (And it keeps me fuller than porridge ever did - much to my surprise!)

Other quick snacks:
- olives
- chicken legs
- soup

BIWI/Willie - while adding my weight to the spreadsheet I noticed that there were a whole load of people who (I thought) had added themselves to the Weekly Loss column. So I started moving them into the Weight Jan 21 column instead, then about halfway through, thought, "hey that's funny, none of them have lost anything" and realised that actually they are probably the people who have not yet added their weight for this week. So, for the sake of it all being the same, I moved everyone's into the Weight Jan 21 column so that at least we can see Total Loss. I am really sorry if I have screwed up the spreadsheet blush promise not to touch it again!

By the way also BlackAffronted noticed that you are in as 88 pounds - is that right? If so the reason you are stalling could be you are near goal weight?

skandi1 Mon 21-Jan-13 11:30:04

BlackAffronted. Yes to lie ins! smile

Herecomesthesun. I will package up a few nuts. Will also make a small Tupperware box of cucumber sticks to take out. I will try to stay away from pepparami as BIWI has been waving her big stick at me. grin

Auntmaggie. I missed BIWIs post due to sleep deprivation. I thought I was fully up on thread when I posted weight but clearly not. Found it and read it now though.

BIWI. Thanks. I will add some leek and mushroom to my morning omelette. And more butter.

AuntieMaggie Mon 21-Jan-13 11:32:54

Choos Some people like BA have put 100lbs in as starting weight as they didn't want to put their real weight in.

thenightsky Mon 21-Jan-13 11:39:31

I only have a weight loss of 1lb this week, making me now 153lbs. Can someone add it to spreadsheet for me, pretty please? I don't want to mess it up.


coldethyl Mon 21-Jan-13 11:42:27

Morning all! Well done on all the losses. I was 9st 8.25lbs this morning - a lb up from earlier in the week, but I weigh daily... and still a loss of almost 2lbs for the whole week, despite a bit of a wobble Friday night and yesterday. Definitely going hardcore this week now, as a lovely but very slim friend is coming to lunch next Sunday and I do not wish to be The Potato in the group.

Roast belly pork last night with mustard leeks and two kinds of broccoli with butter. Yum.

So, today:
B bowl of FF yoghurt, coffee with cream
L green soup (celery, spinach, courgette, leek, chicken stock) with some sliced chicken / beef (depends what DS1 has left in the fridge!).
D chicken stuffed with a little emmental wrapped in bacon, with certainly kale and broccoli and probably mashed BNS (because it MUST be used up today).

I feel better if I ease off the cheese, I've found and I'm down to 3 coffees a day (yes, one too many, BIWI, but I can live with that). Off for more water, now!

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 11:43:25

Thanks Bessie! I definitely need a "cleanse" grin

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 11:43:26

Flax seed it is then grin although "colon cleanse" has an appeal all of its own grin

I an studying here with a yard of Jaffa cakes next to me. My very favorite biscuit apart from fig rolls but I'm just not interested. This woe is a miracle!

I forgot to weigh this morning so I shall do it first thing tomorrow, sorry! Im definitely noticing a difference in measurements though, and feeling better for it so Im cracking on! grin

This morning I had half an avocado with olive oil, some leftover roast chicken from yesterday, and a dollop of mayonnaise. Im simmering the carcass to make a soup for dinner, and Im going to have a big salad for lunch but not sure what with yet!

Well done everyone, keep going!

NoveltySlippers Mon 21-Jan-13 11:53:10

Slummymummy Linwood's do some great ground flaxseed mixes. You can buy them from Holland and Barratt and big supermarkets. You store the pack in the fridge once opened and have to use it up in six weeks, so I normally freeze some in bags as I can't use up the whole lot in that time.

In this format it tastes lovely and I add it to porridge (when I ate porridge), soups, casseroles and stir fries. I get the one that's mixed in with goji berries. I think there's even one that's mixed in with cocoa (though I expect that's verboten on this WOE!!).

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 11:54:26

BIWI Oh no I'm really happy with the overall loss in this 2 weeks; I feel great for it! I was just wondering why it had gone down so much this week; I was hoping for nearer 4lbs. But then, I suppose you can't lose it all that fast, or everyone would be doing it!

Working out at lunchtime with my friend, so I had lunch of a bacon and cheese salad with a couple of dollops of mayonnaise. Breakfast was ff natural yoghurt and dinner will be something chickeny.

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 12:25:53

Choos, Im sadly nowhere near 88 pounds! Im using a countdown from 100 as far too embarassed to put in my real wieght. Ill be Bootcamping for at least a year yet.

NewStartSameStory Mon 21-Jan-13 12:29:26

I think a lot of people have found a mssive loss the first week and then a more realistic loss the second. Anything over 2lbs loss per week is considered a huge loss. It's kinda easy to forget that sometimes.

ALso who keeps breaking mn?

Afternoon all, just checking in. I've stayed the same this week which I thought I might. It's week three, so I was expecting a slight 'lull' and also approaching that time of the month (when usually I gain 3-4lbs) plus I know I haven't drunk enough water this week as I've been chasing my tail and not getting enough sleep.

Keeping going with bootcamp for another two weeks before moving on to 'light' I think.

Stylelostinlabour Mon 21-Jan-13 12:41:40

Just checking in will update spreadsheet later - only stayed the same on week 3 but I have been to a wedding this weekend so expected to have gained loads.

Well done all on loses

ShebaQueen Mon 21-Jan-13 12:41:43

Morning all, I am another 2lbs down, yay! Struggled yesterday and couldn't stop thinking about toast and chocolate but managed to resist. I am planning to continue with bootcamp for now because I have so much weight to lose.

Well done to all losers and hugs to those who haven't.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 21-Jan-13 12:45:43

Flaxseeds - Linwoods mixes are great, but check the carb count if you buy one with nuts or fruit in it.

I think there is a recipe on the recipe thread for muffin in a minute which is made with flax seeds. They should be regarded as an occasional treat because they can stall you. I have one every so often when I need to get my inner workings moving grin

There is also a pizza recipe with a flaxseed base which is gorgeous for Bootcamp Lite (again be aware that it can stall you.)

Bessie123 Mon 21-Jan-13 12:51:44

Linwoods flaxseed mixes are also great for coating and frying things instead of breadcrumbs

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 12:56:41

skandi1 - I see what you mean about the need for lie-ins! There is a reason why sleep deprivation is used as a torture method ... grin

I'm a bit puzzled, though, as to why you 'need' snacks. If you're following this WOE properly, you won't need to snack. You won't be hungry between meals. Honest! Plenty of fat with your meals will ensure this.

Collywibbles Mon 21-Jan-13 12:58:50

Well done to all those with loses this week. I have stayed the same this week which I kind of expected as I am back on steroids for my UC and they make me feel yuck.

Food wise I have been fine this week - I need to watch my water though - I have been waking up feeling very "dry" iykwim.

I treated myself to some Total yogurt for breakfast today - isn't it lovely and creamy - yum!

L - cold salmon / cucumber / avocado / mayo
T - Chicken thighs / cauli mash / spinanch

skandi1 Mon 21-Jan-13 13:07:02

BIWI. Torture indeed! Roll on to when DS is 13 and wants to sleep all day. I will be there to wake him grin

I guess I am afraid that if I leave the house without a snack, I will then suddenly be hungry and end up buying and eating biscuits like a sugary twat. And when I take the snacks I end up eating them. What can I say park and soft play are fairly boring if you are over the age of ten. Also a big part is being so unbelievably tired. I try to feel more awake by eating something. It keeps me going.

I guess I can't make real head way on any part of my life (what life?) until that little sod sleeps at night!sad

flaxseed stalls me but i do have it from time to time - these flaxseed crackers are delicious with cheese, i made some at christmas and they were so popular i hardly got any!

I've been avoiding sausages until today, because most of them have rusk in - but spotted Jimmy's Farm sausages in Tesco's - 0.3g carb per sausage, and have just eaten 2 with my breakfast. Very yummy (though not cheap). Just thought I'd let you lot know!

herecomesthsun Mon 21-Jan-13 13:16:17

Am bfing my 11 mo dd; I think bfing mums sometimes do snack more. Today had 2 eggs w pepper Boursin, 2h later ff yoghurt with a few raspberries mmm, 2h later 3 rashers bacon and 1/2 doz mushrooms, then some chicken Caesar salad. Also several almond coffees (mostly decaf) and 1/2 gallon weak yoghurt with water.

skandi you poor thing, torture is the right word

babybel or similar individually packaged cheeses are my portable snacks of choice for when i'm travelling for work and can't be sure when mealtimes will be

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 13:25:29

skandi you're right it's the worst thing sad massive sympathy for you. I think I ate my way through the first few weeks with DS, and luckily after that things get better. You are being a superstar following this WOE! How strong you are!

Yes, Babybels are fab and don't have little bits that come off and scuttle away into the farthest reaches of your handbag <glares at DS and his bastarding raisins> I also like pepperami (sorry BIWI) And M&S do some excellent little pots of nuts; 2 for £1 or something like that, so worth checking out? They're usually next to the checkouts.

I also find sparkling water really fills a gap in a rumbly tummy for a little while; and served nice and cold it definately peps you up a little bit.

Boobz Mon 21-Jan-13 13:49:04

Hello all! I have lost another measley lb this week, taking me to 111 (at least the OCD side of me likes all the 1s!) I swear my body is actively refusing to lose weight now that I am so near my target of 110. I have built muscle though, so I am probably losing and gaining at the same time. I had a couple of blips last week (including chocolate fondant - argh!) but am really pushing myself this week as Saturday is the completion of my P90X (90 days of home-DVD exercise, similar to shred, I think, but with more weights) and my final Day 90 photos so want to look my thinnest!

Well done to all losers. We are about to move house next week (from Kenya back to the UK) so am hoping that the cold weather doesn't make me want to eat loads of carby stuff! It's very easy to eat salads here when it's 30 degrees every day.. <please tell me the snow has stopped>.

Turkeytwangers Mon 21-Jan-13 13:52:45

I'm another 2 lbs off this week but I also started my period today and my stomach feels significantly podgier.

So far,

B - 2 boiled eggs, lemon and ginger tea
D - Tuna mayo salad with avocado, baby gem, radish, cucumber, tomatoes

I've nearly done 2 ltrs of sparkling water and had 3 fruit teas.

I'm thinking of doing a combo of bootcamp Ff an L like most people here. Maybe chuck a few berries throughout the week if I'm getting bored at breakfast.

QuickLookBusy Mon 21-Jan-13 13:58:23

Hello everyone.

I've lost a pound this week, am happy with it as I started my period today and usually feel very bloated. Today my stomach is looking much flatter!

Today I have eaten so far-

1 slice of bacon, fried mushrooms and 1egg.
Mackerel salad with some humous and olives.
Not sure about dinner yet.

Iamaslummymummy Mon 21-Jan-13 14:01:05

Thanks for the linseed advice.

I must confess that I had some before I asked! I bought the aldi version with goji berries. I made a mim (muffin in a minute) in the microwave for breakfast. Various recipes all over the net. It was delicious half spread with cream cheese, half with with peanut butter.

2 x boiled egg, tuna in olive oil with Mayo and salad with olive oil and lemon

Chili con Carne with no beans, cauliflower rice, guacamole and sour cream for dinner. Not had cauliflower rice yet. Could be hard to convince dh but worth a try!

1lb off for me, a little disappointed but a loss is a loss! Can someone update the spreadsheet for me please? I can't access it on my phone and my internets is broke at home sad
Going to continue with bootcamp until the w/e as we are at friends and I don't know what we will be eating! And I imagine Ill be back on bootcamp after.

skandi1 Mon 21-Jan-13 14:07:27

Slatternly. Yes to eating my way through it.

Sadly DS is 18 months so I am losing hope of ever getting enough sleep to feel normal.

I avoided nuts as I thought they were banned. But if I can eat a few nuts then snack problem sorted.

KoKoBear Mon 21-Jan-13 14:09:45

Well done everyone on your losses. I'm 2 lbs down this week which is amazing as I fell off the wagon a bit last week. I was 143 on Thursday and back up to 145 on Saturday. I think I got carried away with how easy this is and was sneaking the odd bit of chocolate that my mother had brought when she visited. Went super strict on Saturday and Sunday and back to 143 again - Phew! Think I'll have to do 1 more bootcamp week as penance! ;)

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 21-Jan-13 14:19:29

Biwi - my head knows choc peanuts aren't good but my heart loves them unfortunately. It only gets the better of me very rarely now these days.

I'm on a really tight budget at the moment so food is really boring. Breakfasts usually eggs, sometimes a rasher if bacon and a few mushrooms.
Lunch is either a couple of pork belly strips or some value mozzarella and ham drizzled with oil.
Dinner is usually a homemade carbonara sauce with cheese, double cream and a bit of bacon over a plate of cauliflower, broccoli, sautéed cabbage and mushrooms if there are any.
I tend to snack on Brie as its cheap and yummy though am trying to cut back.
I do have at least half a dozen cups if tea with d/cream and could easily have twice as many. Usually drink at least 1.5 litres of water too, constantly need a wee these days.
It's not even that I'm properly hungry a lot of the time tho its more that I just want to pick (usually something sweet or crisps or a biccie) and I haven't felt like this for ages. It's almost like the lc effect is wearing off.

Any advice or help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 21-Jan-13 14:22:16

Is it possible that I need to up my carbs a bit and maybe reintroduce fruit? Has my body just got too used to it so that's it.

Oops sorry blackaffronted blush

KoKo - I am joining you in the extra Bootcamp week as penance as fell off the wagon completely the very first weekend (mother visiting for birthday and huge family feast).

Flaxseed is great for any lowcarb baking. Also I used to use soya flour (often would mix flax, soya and almond together to replace flour), but that was when I was doing a less intensive lowcarb diet, so I'm not sure if it's OK for bootcamp lite. Not sure how carby the soy flour would be. Will look into it.

Skandi and was someone else also asking about nuts - they're not OK on Bootcamp, just Bootcamp lite (but in moderation, so go easy on them!) So sorry to hear you're not being able to sleep - it really is torture - hope he's sleeping through soon.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 21-Jan-13 14:46:07

I confess I have also had several MIM's as I remebered seeing the recipe last year. I need the linseed too blush from time to time. The important thing to remember though is to take lots and lots of water with it. The whole linseeds I bought say on the box to take one tablespoon with 2 glasses of water, so if you grind them up you need to remember to do the same for the equivalend amount.
Also if you buy whole cracked seeds then they pass through your stomach undigested and swell up in your colon ( again according to the box). It is possible to tip a tablespoon of them into your mouth and swallow them down with water if you don't want to be drinking gel stuff or making MIM's with them ( or stir them into youghurt etc)

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 14:48:32


There is no 'lc effect'! And so you don't need to introduce more carbs; you can introduce some fruit (berries only, please) or some nuts if you like - just keep an eye on how much. Maybe in place of that Brie, because it strikes me that you are eating a lot of dairy, and it could be this which is impeding weight loss for you. Try cutting it out for a few days and see what happens.

You're also eating a lot of processed meat - bacon and ham - instead of fresh, unprocessed meat. I appreciate you are on a budget, but can you not buy something cheap like mince? Or lamb breast (Sainsbury's do it as part of their Basics range, and it's very cheap).

And your tea habit could also be problematic, especially as you're drinking it with cream - yet more dairy.

And why only 1.5 litres of water? The minimum is 2 per day. Swap some of your tea for water and job done.

colette Mon 21-Jan-13 14:49:43

1lb off for me - think I was getting a bit complacent . Will try harder this week.
This thread is hugely supportive smile

Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 14:54:55

Been to Aldi, Sainsbo and Waitrose today. I am stocked up!! grin

Got FF Greek style yog from Aldi but forgot to check carbs and it is 6.2g per 100g yog. shock Bit cross as I bought 3 pots! Will still eat it though.


savoy cabbage
2 x caulis
2 x celeriac

Tonight we are having chilli with beans removed, cauli rice, sour cream and avocado.

Also bought belly strip which DH is going to cook and I am going to eat all of it! Love pork crackle!

Meals this week

chilli with cauli rice
Savoy cabbage with cheese, celeriac and cream
Chicken with celeriac mash and broccoli
Pork belly with veggies
Ham, egg and celeriac chips
Type of moussaka - need to check recipe.

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 14:59:05


<clears throat>

It seems to me that there is quite a bit of slipping off the wagon going on here. Whilst some people have seen brilliant losses, there is also a bit of dissatisfaction that some of you haven't lost as much as you hoped for, or even that you have put weight on.

Let me explain what happens when you cheat. To do that, I need to describe what happens when you eat carbohydrate:

When we eat carbohydrates, the body converts them into glucose. It is the responsibility of the pancreas to release a hormone called insulin to deal with this glucose. The insulin does three things:

1.It moves the glucose in your blood stream into your body’s cells for immediate energy (think of that sudden boost you get when you eat a biscuit or a piece of chocolate)

2.It transports what is left into the liver, which converts excess energy into glycogen, which is stored in the liver and the muscles, readily accessible for future energy needs

3.Once the glycogen stores are full, what is left over is converted to fat

So when we're low carbing, the first thing that happens is that we use up our glycogen stores. Typically this accounts for around 3-7lbs. That, plus lost water weight plus a little bit of fat is why the first week on low carbing can see such large losses.

However, if you suddenly cheat and introduce a lot of carbs again, you are topping up your glycogen stores. Which is why you can apparently gain a lot of weight very quickly

It's really important in the first two weeks to make sure that your body has switched efficiently from carb-burning to fat burning. If you cheat, you're switching back and forward between the two.

That's why, if you cheat during Bootcamp, you should really return to Bootcamp and complete the full two weeks.


<shouty transmission ends>

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 15:01:13

Yes skandi you can on bootcamp light, I wouldn't know much about how much you can have etc, but as I said, those M&S ones are in handy little pods and probably contain about a handful so I'd assume that's about right?

Trying to think of something to do with celeriac. I don't even know how to prepare it.

It's just sat in the fridge, looming at me. confused

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 21-Jan-13 15:02:21

<buffs halo>

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 15:03:39

Ruprekt - lovely moussaka from the Idiot Proof Diet on the recipe thread

slatternly - ditto recipes for celeriac on the recipe thread

Ilisten2theradio Mon 21-Jan-13 15:03:55

Feels suitably chastised.... and slopes of to hide in the corner..... smile

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 15:04:20


Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 21-Jan-13 15:04:33

Ok thanks Biwi. Looks like I may have slipped into some bad habits since Xmas and I need to step back a bit.

Food has been very restricted because tbh in addition to a tight budget, I am also cooking for DC who seem to have decided that they all like different things and no one is willing to compromise. It got so I was throwing away so much good food I got fed up and have been cooking just what I know they'll eat which I know is not the way to go ( can't live on tomato soup and pasta alone fgs).

Will up my water too.

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 15:06:36

Do you want to borrow my big stick, Lavendersblue?! grin

EwanHoozami Mon 21-Jan-13 15:17:23

RE flax - I discovered that I couldn't tolerate it. It made me bloated and gave me an itchy mouth and hives shock and I'm not intolerant to any other foodstuff.

Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 15:19:31

Ewan - those cream cheese pancakes were fab!!!

I did a mix of cream cheese and ricotta (as it was in the fridge) with 2 eggs. Beat hard with a whisk and fried them in butter.

DH had his with ham and butter and I one with butter and one with double cream


Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 15:22:21

<<hand shoots straight up>>

Please Miss, DH and I have not cheated or slipped off the wagon at all. We have drunk lots of water.

As a result, Miss, I have lost 11 lbs and DH has lost about 9lbs. (he forgot to weigh this morning so will do it tomorrow)

So, please can I get a sticker Miss.


prettybird Mon 21-Jan-13 15:24:02

Sooooo chuffed - down to 12stone 4lb, which means a loss of another 5lb this week, making 12lb in total! smilesmile

I recognise that this rate of loss won't continue - but I'm daring to hope that my unrealistic target of being under 12 stone by 7 February might actually be achievable! shock --to be fair, that target was written before I put all the extra weight on over Christmas.

Am planning on staying on full Bootcamp with occasional Bootcamp Lite at weekends and a planned "cheat" this coming Friday (Burns Night).

cathyandclaire Mon 21-Jan-13 15:26:06

<< Narrows eyes and stares hard at Ruprekt>>
Girly Swot!!
carefully hides old chinese takeaway cartons

Actually well done, that's brilliant!!! grin

Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 15:27:32

Miss!!!! cathyandclaire cheated!!!! Misssssssss!!!!!!!


Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 21-Jan-13 15:38:35

Ooh yes please wink.

I need to get back into proper bootcamp mode. It feels so good when its all going well but just need to resist the urge to drown my sorrows in chocolate when it's not, it's a slippery slope and I don't want to fall so far that getting up looks impossible.

Ffs I've only put on a couple of pounds, what a drama queen I'm being, lots of people have so much more to lose and have to stay strong for much longer. I need to get a grip!

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 15:43:12

<holds prettybird's hand and skips off into the sunset>

You are closest to my weight I think. I was 12st 3lbs this morning so a loss of 12lbs as well for me. I want to be 12st 7 in February at some point too. I was really happy at that weight last time, and I think I can get to that and re-assess.

Am also doing bootcamp during the week and bootcamp 'light' at the weekends, more by virtue of the fact that I don't drink during the week.

Oh God - BIWI is shouting, there is bold and every fink

I have STS which is hardly surprising given the alcohol consumption this weekend for various reasons.
I think I may change my weigh in day to Wed to give a better average. I always go up on a Monday after a weekend off work!

Bessie123 Mon 21-Jan-13 16:00:32

Omg I have had massive dairy cravings all day. All I want is cream and cheese, I just ate half a goats cheese Camembert, oops. What is going on??

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 16:31:04

Have made the curried mince recipe that someone posted recently - smells lovely! Cant wait to tuck into a bowl after Zumba tonight. Having a snack of 2 ham slices and a tiny bit of cheese as I dont want to do Zumba (in an hour) on an empty tummy. Got dizzy last time!

skandi1 Mon 21-Jan-13 16:42:36

Slatternly. You top and tail the celeriac assuming this hasn't already been done. Then cut the outer layer away as you would a butternut squash. You could use a peeler but cutting is easier.

Then you can make celeriac mash - cut into cubes boil strain and mash w double cream. Or you could make celeriac soup- boil cubed celeriac in stock for 20min then blend with splash of double cream. Or celeriac chips- cut into chip shapes roll in curry powder or seasoning of choice, lots of oil in oven tray and bake for circa 35mins on 200c fan oven or 220c conventional. And eat. Yum

Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 16:47:40

Am off to 80's aerobics! Tis so much more fun when you can sing along!

Kiriwawa Mon 21-Jan-13 16:47:40

I have been very good so far but I'm not even a week in grin Also the battery has gone in my scales and I don't have any replacements in the house. If this woe is determined on exercise, then I'm going to get nowhere - I've been sat in front of my computer since 9am and won't move off it until gone 9pm this evening (deadline). Thankfully I have a brace of cold sausages and spinach takes seconds to cook.

I'm mourning the eggs benedict I was going to have this morning. Maybe tomorrow ...

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 16:49:21

Don't worry if you aren't exercising - this WOE will still work for you!

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 16:55:22

Ooooh thanks skandi, I shall try the celeriac mash and report back later. Double or single cream?

Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 17:02:13


Exactly ruprekt grin

Always double!

Ruprekt Mon 21-Jan-13 17:05:34

oink oink!!!!!

Kiriwawa Mon 21-Jan-13 17:25:07

That's very reassuring biwi, thanks smile

Lavenderhoney Mon 21-Jan-13 17:35:38

Still no celeriac! Will have to get dh to go and get me some, but he asked if artichokes would do instead? Made roasted turnips for me - why does that made me think of black adder and baldrick? And roast pots for the kids in slices and they snaffled all my turnip!

B- none I am not hungry so have decided just to drink lots of water instead.
L- tomatoes, sardines in olive oil, mozzarella cheese, olives.
D- pan fried salmon in butter and pan fried John dory- but fried lots of fatty bacon in butter first, then cooked the dory in the juices and sprinkled bacon on top. Dd doesn't like salmon. With roasted turnip, sauted spinach leaves in butter and garlic.

No snacks. Not hungrysmile

Another week of bootcamp for me, as quite a bit to lose to please the doctor. And myself of course...

sybilfaulty Mon 21-Jan-13 17:47:09

I have put in tjis week but it cd be period related so am going to weigh again tomorrow to see if its an aberration or grim fact.

Well done to all losers and a hearty slap on the shoulder to non losers

colette Mon 21-Jan-13 17:53:02

Black affronted - where is the curried recipe please ? Sounds good

GibbsGirl Mon 21-Jan-13 17:55:35

BlackAffronted, I'd like that recipe too please!

NellVarnish Mon 21-Jan-13 18:36:30

Thanks BIWI for the shiny new thread and willie for the SOF!

Just popped in briefly, will read up on the rest of the thread when I get peace damn kids. Hope everyone's ok.

2lbs off this week, was the hardest 2lbs I've ever lost - took ages before the scales moved, and I was a bit despondet at times. But not hungry.

B: Lidl yogurt with some sprinkles of instant coffee stirred in - yum - coffee yoghurt!
L: broccoli and stilton soup, celery and pate
D: salmon baked in foil with butter, roasted cauli in a little sesame oil

Do you think I'm getting the hang of it? Oh I nearly forgot, three samples of salami from the deli counter when I went in to buy some haggis earlier.

Lots of water.

blackaffronted I'd like the recipe too for whatever it is! <hates to miss out>

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 18:37:26

I'm at that point in the diet now, where the new diet excitement has worn off and I'm feeling tempted in again. I think it's boredom tbh, rather than actual craving.

Plumping for sparkling water whilst the dinner cooks.

catinboots Mon 21-Jan-13 19:00:43

I had a snow day today so I did some cooking,

I made Oopsie rolls and had two for lunch with pâté in them. Yum.

I also made Parmesan crisps which I've put in a little Tupperware pot for tomorrow - I've got a long car journey for work and that's when I get bored and crave crunchy stuff!

Dinner will be pork steaks.

NellVarnish Mon 21-Jan-13 19:03:23

Oh I was like that last week slatternly. It's a horrid feeling. I had a couple of tablespoons of yoghurt with a spoonful of peanut butter stirred in just for something different. Twas lovely!

I read somewhere - might have been here - that drinking water from a sports water bottle top v. Evian style top makes you drink more water. How true it is I don't know but I glugged down 4 x 750ml Buxton's on Saturday. so it helped me a bit.

I've had loads more energy, just need to get a bit more adventurous with my recipes so I don't get bored, and also try meals that we can all eat. Seem to be spending a small fortune tho'.

It's really helping me having you lot here, much better than any WW meeting I ever went to so thanks one and all!

NellVarnish Mon 21-Jan-13 19:04:28

Oh yum, parmesan crisps sound nice catinboots!

Everyone who is struggling please stick with it. Honestly, it's worth it. My story is that I was staring 12st in the face, underactive thyroid and in despair. BIWI's original thread popped up in Active so I clicked on it. Well, inspite of my hmm face I started to follow. Ended up with me PMing the lovely BIWI with various questions (she was lovely btw).

I remember carb flu well. After four days of Bootcamp I thought I was DYING. Yuck.

Now I hover around the 9.6 mark, hair is good swishy, nails strong, skin no longer dry and my consultant is about to sign me off with a lower dosage of thyroxine than I went in with. Now that is a result, although trying to get that message across is another story with the health professionals ....

Nell it takes a while to settle into cooking family meals but I do a fish pie for all And top mine with cauliflower or swede or celeriac mash
I tend to put shallots in everything too instead of onions
Lots of soup at this time of year is very cheap and filling

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 19:19:51

Mmm Parmesan crisps smile I think I'll do some. Do you just grate some in little blobs and melt it in the oven? I might do some of those to take over to my friend's buffet birthday party on Saturday to take along.

Nell I know, I'm not too tempted, I just think about how well I feel now and how I don't want to go back to that feeling of sluggishness. I haven't cheated once, and I don't want to. Not really.

slatternlymother Mon 21-Jan-13 19:21:35

Thank you singing it's so good to hear success stories, it really is! Congratulations, I bet you look amazing smile

Jacaqueen Mon 21-Jan-13 19:27:08

Thanks got the info on the almond milk. I will get some to try in coffee.

I had to throw my last lot of flax seeds out as they had been opened for ages and smelled a bit rank. Never thought about freezing them. DOH.

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 19:38:44

For those who asked for the curried mince recipe, its here on the recipe thread, you may need to scroll down a bit. Was a big hit! My kids loved it.

BlackAffronted Mon 21-Jan-13 19:39:34

I didnt transfer to a slow cooker though, I just left on low on the hob for an hour.

TaffyandTeenyTaffy Mon 21-Jan-13 19:53:05

Lots of good losses this week.

Today has been ok for me
B - egg and mushrooms in butter
L - chicken, ham and creamy blue cheese salad with mayo
D - chicken thighs, roast veg and creamy onion and blue cheese sauce
2 of my 4 pints of water and 2 coffees so far.

BIWI - leftovers for breakfast?.... I dont have leftovers - thats why I am this weight grin Good idea in theory though!

catinboots Mon 21-Jan-13 20:10:37

Yep - I just made little piles about the size of a 10p on a silicone baking sheet. You could use grease proof paper I presume.

herecomesthsun the link to the spreadsheet is in BIWI's OP - the link is in the first few lines. You are added for this week.

Choos - yes you have put across everyone's weight for this week, best just to change your own columns next time I reckon! If will just look like people weighed in and lost no weight this week, even if they didn't weigh. I am sure Willie will be able to fix it!! I thought about taking all the stay the samers out, but then some people did stay the same so decided to leave it!!!!!

thenightsky and bullet added your 1 lb losses to the spreadsheet for you.

Does anyone else need their weight adding whilst I am here?

Womenandchickensfirst Mon 21-Jan-13 20:46:04

Hello everyone. 1lb off for me. Sitting here drowning the water, as I haven't really had a chance during the day...sitting in clients houses and I don't like to use their toilets! I cocked up a bit today - small breakfast of one egg and some left over sausage, then a salad sat in my car in the snow sad, and was so hungry when I left work I drove to the nearest Asda, bought some cooked chicken from the counter AND ATE A LEG IN THE CAR.
Planning to be super good this week, as no social events to derail me. Am keeping the faith that this will work, and it's not been a chore to do so far.

SavoirFaire Mon 21-Jan-13 20:51:00

Just work avoiding checking in. It's ffffing freezing here this evening. Brrrr.

B: 2 eggs, butter
L: very dull salad - well really 2 limp bits of lettuce, some, ham, a bit of cheese and some cucumber
D: No-spag bol (with courgette instead of pasta). Was lovely.

I had forgotten all about oopsie rolls. Probably for the best. But I may just remind myself how to make one...

Mrs HP yes that's why I didn't just move them back again - I couldn't remember which were the ones I'd moved, and which actually had STS, so thought best just to keep it consistent - and never touch it again! blush

Am much hungrier today. Worrying that Vietnamese on friday knocked me out of ketosis (difficult when you don't know exactly what's I. It, and I did have my own body weight a fair amount of tofu. Or it could just be that I am making up for the days when I was too queasy to feel like eating. <hopeful>

Oh and
B eggs and ham, with leftover cauliflower and Brussels sprouts as my veg - ok a bit weird, but strangely good
S pork scratchings and olives
L chicken miso broth with kale and spinach
S olives, cheese, slice of leftover roast beef
D baked fennel with mozarella and have made an aubergine parmigiana mainly for DH which I will have a little bit of and scrape the tomato off

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 21-Jan-13 21:01:14

Very restrained mrshp I was all puffed up and ready to write a diatribe biwi style with bold n caps n everything, then MN went offline. Probably just as well as choos might have given me a kicking wink

B 1 bacon, 2 sausages, a few mushrooms
L 2 eggs scrambled with some grated cheese on spinach
S black pepper pistachios (filched from DH s graze box)
D beef casserole

womenandchickensfirst what is wrong with that? Chicken is a perfect LC food and you made a great choice given what else you could have grabbed! Just hope it was the plain type, as some of the BBQ ones etc will probably have sugar in the coatings. Remember, don't go hungry, that's the point of bootcamp! I have scoffed chicken, cold meat, babybels, pâté goodness knows what else in my car at the end of a long Sunday after work, and still lose weight!

choos don't worry! It isn't like you changed people's weights - it will all be fine!

B - three bits if bacon
S - cheese and a couple of mini pepperamis
D - leftover lamb kleftiko, green beans and courgettes
Yoghurt and vanilla powder

Doshusallie Mon 21-Jan-13 21:08:35

Made the egg-fried cauliflower rice from the low carb recipe section for tea tonight. It was lovely. Cooked it with green pepper, but I used 2 eggs instead of 1. Only used half a head (of a very large) cauliflower, and it made loads.

lapetitedame Mon 21-Jan-13 22:10:59

Well done everyone on your losses. Have stayed the same despite having showed a loss Friday...that would be the wine and cake for birthday celebs this weekend. Mind you it was low carb cheese cake ...cheeses,lemon juice and zest and a little sweetener. Didn't eat base but must experiment base with almonds or something in future.
Those of you looking a little something to substitute for pudding....try a little marscapone or ricotta mixed with a little sweetener (takes v little to sweeten after a period of no sugar) To this add some vanilla, instant coffee, almond essence or green and black cocoa. Maybe not everyone's taste but it does the job and you only need a little.

Onwards and downwards!

Ps Can someone remind me why I bought coconut oil? confused

Collywibbles Mon 21-Jan-13 22:21:41

Lapetite apparently it is really nice stirred into coffee and you can cook with it (I think). If that fails rub it on your hands to make them nice and soft!

lapetitedame Mon 21-Jan-13 22:45:31

Collywibbles thank you...will try a little in my morning cuppa...bit pricey for hand cream! smile Does it have any health benefits I wonder....

Collywibbles Mon 21-Jan-13 22:46:28

Don't blame me if it tastes rank! I haven't tried it yet - prefer my double cream lol!

Bessie123 Mon 21-Jan-13 22:48:02

It's nice but greasy

Valdeeves Mon 21-Jan-13 23:19:35

Hi everyone,
Had another day around the house and garden as snow to thick to plough urban buggy through. Baby DD woke me up at 1am then up amd down from 3 - 4 as shes got a really bad cold. I felt like a zombie and my mood was black then my DS trampled around the garden pretending to be the Gruffalo's Child complete with Scottish accent (the kids amazing mimic) and I stopped being miserable.
Breakfast : Devilled eggs
Lunch: sage butter chicken with garden, watercress, spinach, rocket salad.
Dinner: fried egg, two bacon rashers and celeriac chips.
Gallons of water - OMG I live on the loo and I'm so thirsty.

Ooh lapetite loving the idea of almond-based cheesecake!

Also for those of you now entering Bootcamp lite I found a recipe on an american low-carb site for low-carb Pina Coladas (think I still would prefer wine but sure I will happily experiment!)

yes the coconut oil is a bit greasy but OK - good way of getting extra fat in if you don't feel like it in your food.

MrsHP and Toomuch thank you for not beating me up and apologies again blush

Ooh val crossposted - that sage chicken sounds luvverly!

BIWI Mon 21-Jan-13 23:47:04

Val - if you're so thirsty, but drinking loads of water, it's a sign that you need to up your sodium/potassium/magnesium. Add salt to your food, eat salmon/spinach and avocado.

Valdeeves Tue 22-Jan-13 04:29:46

Thanks BIWI - funnily enough I had alot of salmon last week and I had spinach in my salad that day. It's me that's the problem not the diet as I don't have enough salt in my blood naturally - I know it's not right at the mo as I feel it.
Will up my salt intake tomorrow and let you know if it helps.

Valdeeves Tue 22-Jan-13 04:31:36

The sage butter chicken was amazeballs! I mixed it with garlic and let the chicken skin crisp up. I think it's on the recipe thread or something similar gave me the idea!

Valdeeves Tue 22-Jan-13 04:33:09

Btw - can you grow your own celeriac? Sorry absolutely no idea when it's comes to gardening?

mirai Tue 22-Jan-13 04:59:39

Hi, I haven't been posting but have been using the spreadsheet and following the rules. However I've got a big problem which hopefully someone can advise on?

For the last few days I've had a constant headache and feel a bit dizzy and tired. I'm also always desperately thirsty all the time. Is this jut carb withdrawal? Please help! smile

mirai Tue 22-Jan-13 05:04:58

Sample meals for me would be:

B - pot of yoghurt
L - chicken breast and mayo wrapped in lettuce 'wraps'. Another yoghurt. A few almonds. Maybe some soft cheese if still hungry.
D - salmon, cheesy cauliflower mash, mixed green veg with a dollop of butter

Weight loss has been coming on great but for this damn headache!!

cathyandclaire Tue 22-Jan-13 05:24:23

Hi mirai I felt like that when I first went into ketosis, it felt like a hangover but sadly without the booze! It will pass, drink plenty of water and eating more fat will help your body adapt more quickly.

I've been up ALL night with my pregnant Labrador who has needed a wee and a poo every twenty minutes, she has just spent a happy hour shredding all the newspaper in her box...but still no puppies. I'm afraid I've resorted to bucket loads of coffee with milk, it's going to be a looooooong day
<paces back and for like expectant father>

Oooh Cathy you should start a birth thread?! Our first LC puppies

Don't forget to post piccies

Good luck

cathyandclaire Tue 22-Jan-13 07:11:23

Yes Gless they will be weaned on crustless quiche and double cream grin
Dog is now sleeping soundly after her busy night... I'm wondering whether taking the coffee intravenously would be better.

Think some bacon and eggs will sort me out!!

BlackAffronted Tue 22-Jan-13 07:15:03

Worked really hard at zumba last night, it was fab! I love my zumba insructer, she has such an amazing energy. Had to force my tea downa fterwards though, as I just wasnt hungry but I didnt think that skipping dinner was a good idea.

Yesterdays menu -

b - Eggs, bacon, 1 sausage, loads of mushrooms
l - Belly pork, baby leaf salad
d - Curried mince, cau;i rice
s - 5 pecans before zumba, ham slices

choo there isn't a lot i can do about the spreadsheet as i'm not sure who has and hasn't weighed in, but don't worry about it as people can overwrite the figure when they weigh in

NoelHeadbands Tue 22-Jan-13 07:31:36

Morning all

Starving after a long walk into the office this morning, waiting for the staff canteen to open for my fry up.

Squeeeeeeeeeeeee puppies!

NoelHeadbands Tue 22-Jan-13 07:32:52

choos did me a favour with the spreadsheet because I was a STS grin

EwanHoozami Tue 22-Jan-13 07:54:38

Cathy puppies - how exciting. Any signs?

preschool is open this morning so am girding my loins to push baby in buggy and windmill-limbed 3yo up a big icy hill confused

b: lidl yog

l: buttery spinach omelette

d: DH has procured shiritaki noodles from the Chinese supermarket so I'm toying with the idea of a ramen-type effort. They were 'spensive so I don't want to use them and get it wrong... has anyone cooked these with good results?

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 08:04:01

mirai - welcome!

Your food looks fine (apart from the nuts - unless you're now doing Bootcamp Light). How long have you been doing Bootcamp?

If it's beyond the first two weeks, then you should be through carb withdrawal by now.

How much water are you drinking?

slatternlymother Tue 22-Jan-13 08:06:35

Bah, 1lb on yesterday and another 1lb on today... not sure what's going on. I've got a draggy, heavy feeling like I'm about to start my period; but it's only 2 weeks since my last one. However, I came off my pill as it was causing me problems so perhaps it could be?

Other than that, perhaps I should curb berries until i figure out what's going on? That's the only other thing I've added that I can think of.

Ooooh puppies! I want photos! <begins sit in>

PlatoonBuffoon Tue 22-Jan-13 08:15:45

valdeeves to answer your question about growing celariac - yes you can! My mum grew some last year, I've never done it myself but will be giving it a go this year.

link to seeds here

I'm planning my veg patch at the moment. I normally grow tons of potatoes, carrots, peas etc. I think I can't deprive myself entirely of fresh dug potatoes, or freshly popped peas, but they will be the only ones I have this year so a real treat. I'm planning lots of low carb goodies too - spinach, kale, leeks, cabbage, rocket, shallots, fennel, chard, berries.... I can't wait to get started!

sybilfaulty Tue 22-Jan-13 08:44:39

Ok I am back in the game. I weighed and STS so not sure what is going on but keeping at it. Had about 4 hours sleep sur to various children but a quiet day beckons.

Have a good day everyone

slatternlymother Tue 22-Jan-13 08:47:29

BTW skandi the mashed celeriac was delicious. Utterly delicious. Stirred in cream and garlic butter and it was heavenly. Thankyou, I am no longer a celeriac virgin grin

Hurrah! Whoooooooosh! 2lbs gone overnight - I am under 16 stone. 15 stone and 12.6 lbs. I know that is about two of three times the weight of some of you, but for me that is a big hurrah!!!!

<does happy dance and tries not to grin like an idiot all day>

Valdeeves Tue 22-Jan-13 09:04:28

Slatternly - Celeriac virgin, ha ha ha!!!

Platoon Buffoon - thanks for the tip, I'm going to try it!

Feel terrible this morning - my blood salt is out of whack - have to get sorted as my body's struggling.

<does a little dance for mrshp>

i know they're just numbers really but it is so motivating to see that drop from one stone to another!

captainmummy Tue 22-Jan-13 09:17:02

Well done MrsHP -going over the line into a new stone is amazing!

I don't knwo what's going on with me - I've STS for ages, months, even over xmas <proud!> - and suddenly dropped 2lbs! I even felt bloated a bit, jeans squeezing just a bit, so thought i'd gained a few - but NO! Only thing i can think is that i've gone back on the pill after 3 months, as the hot-flushes were wearing me out!

PlatoonBuffoon Tue 22-Jan-13 09:25:51

Well done MrsHP! You must be feeling fantastic! It is so inspiring to hear about other people's successes. It is so motivating!

Very chuffed for you grin

<enthusiastically over-punctuates with exclaimation marks!!!>

prettybird Tue 22-Jan-13 09:34:56

slatternlymother - I'll hold hands with you and together we will skip to under 12 stone sooner than we expected hoped for! smile

Bessie123 Tue 22-Jan-13 09:48:20

Well done mrshp, brilliant results

ewan you need to rinse shirataki noodles for ages because they are in a stinky liquid for ages. Then cook them in a dry pan for quite a long time to get rid of the excess water. I fry them a bit but you can boil them, I think (I googled and there were lots of different ways of doing it). One quite disconcerting thing about them is that they... Erm...pass straight through you. It looks weird when they come out.

skandi1 Tue 22-Jan-13 09:50:36

Slatternly. Glad you enjoyed. grin
At celeriac virgin.

It has a sort of slightly taste of its own which is lovely.

It's nice in beef stew as well. Rather than carrots for example. I have been a fan for year and turnips too.

I am strange with veg. I have never liked potato and salad I only really enjoy cucumber and avocado (technically a fruit I know) and tomato. I do love mushroom onion celeriac turnip asparagus and I am ok with cauliflower and broccoli. Spinach is ok but only if egg and hollandaise sauce is involved.

BIWI. Thanks for your advice yesterday. I have ditched all pork products. I may still have the odd pepparami but only in a real emergency. I have made little snack bags with baby bel and cucumber to take out when I take DC to park and soft play. Dinner last night was cod in parsley butter with mushroom and leek pan fried in butter. Leek sliced very thinly is a bit like onion once cooked so lovely.

Struggling with the after effects of a migraine today. Last night was hideous. And I have run out of sumaptriptram and tramadol. Argh. Waiting for a call back from doctors to see if they can fit me in. Fingers crossed.

I had hoped DH would be able to work from home and look after the DC as I was sick all night but sadly he had to go to work so I am supervising two small ones squabbling and shrieking over Lego. Ugh my poor head.

And thanks everyone on here for all your support! It means a lot and has kept me going. smile

NoveltySlippers Tue 22-Jan-13 09:51:51

Big congrats MrsHP!

That is exciting. I can't wait to move over my stone landmark - haven't seen my weight beginning with that number since I was a teen!

cathayandclaire that is sooo exciting. I LOVE puppies! I want one!

Urgh, crappy week here. I didn't cheat cheat but had far too much dairy, processed meat, sweetners, berries and nuts. Also some dark chocolate and quite a lot of alcohol.

Because of this I have stayed the same and am STILL exactly 11 stone. This is getting boring, I so want to see 10 something, so I think I'll do another week of Bootcamp Proper to atone for my sins.

NoveltySlippers Tue 22-Jan-13 09:56:53

BIWI Just HAD to say - that video of Dr Andreas Eenfedlt's talk is AMAZING (yes - bold and caps).

For anyone struggling with forming arguments to answer low carb critics, this talk gives you all the soundbites you need!

So very, very interesting and helpful. I'm going to watch it twice!

(And send it to my dad who is a low fat disciple. Not sure he'll listen.)

Anyway - thanks loads for posting that BIWI thanks

DoingItForMyself Tue 22-Jan-13 10:06:10

...place marking for more inspiration later!

Only just starting a LC regime and stumbled across this thread.

Steak & a fried egg for brekky today, now off shopping to fill my trolley with LC goodness. I'm well behind all of you so won't bother with updates, but thanks for the inspiration - loving the links to recipes.

EwanHoozami Tue 22-Jan-13 10:16:03

thanks Bessie I will have to remember what I've eaten and not think I've got some bizarre tropical parasitic disease shock grin

and a big HUZZAH to MrsHP. That's ace.

Just checking in to say that I can really recommend Miller & Carter as an excellent lc dinner place, went last night with DP for our sort of anniversary and chomped my way through a giant steak with bearnaise sauce, spinach and salad with creamy garlic parmesan dressing... Yum!
Managed gym this morning, yogurt for breakfast and have avocado salad waiting in the fridge for lunch.
Hooray for the next stone bracket - I reckon I'm a couple of weeks off mine, cannot wait!

Bessie123 Tue 22-Jan-13 10:31:32

I have been re-reading the burnt cake thread this morning. It is completely hilarious - I reckon I've burnt at least 100 calories through laughing.

slatternlymother Tue 22-Jan-13 10:40:05

Well done MrsHP! Jealous of you getting past the stone marker, what a great feeling! You must go around feeling smug all day, I demand it.

bessie I need some light entertainment; work v slow. What thread is that?

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 10:48:08

thanks Yay, MrsHP! Brilliant work.

skandi1 - ouch to the migraine sad Hope you can get some drugs sorted soon. I only ever suffered from them during my first pregnancy, and they were truly shocking.

valdeeves - I'm very worried if you say you have a problem with your blood salt. Is this WOE going to be good for you? Is it an easy problem to rectify? Please consider your medical needs before your weight

slatternly - it's the thread in AIBU about burnt cakes and a DH eating them when he shouldn't be. A really good wind-up, but it's disintegrating now into a bit of a dour argument because some posters don't think this kind of wind-up should be allowed because it's trolling. <sighs>

Cross with myself because I've managed to put on 1.25lbs. Too much booze at the weekend. <hits self with big stick>

A super strict few days for me, and I'm at the gym today, tomorrow and Thursday so hopefully I'll see a change by next Monday.

halfthesize Tue 22-Jan-13 10:51:54

morning allbrew
been very busy here, just caught up on threads.
well done on all the losses, they are fantasticthanks
I'm working this morning, but have updated spreadsheet, I have lost 1lbsmile which is ok as not much more to go now.

Ilovemyteddy Tue 22-Jan-13 10:52:57

Woohoo MrsHP thanks

Isn't it a great feeling to get below that stone mark? Onwards and downwards.

Have been for a swim and a two mile walk already today. That's my exercise done, apart from clearing the drive as I couldn't get my car out yesterday. Then a nice quiet day by the fire, I think, with homemade veggie soup for lunch and spag bol for tea with courgette instead of pasta for me.

i missed your post about migraines, sorry skandi

one of the reasons why i went down the low carb route was because i was getting migraines, and i found that the WOE really helped reduce the number i was getting. it may not work that way for you, but i hope they improve for you one way or another

DoingItForMyself Tue 22-Jan-13 11:21:17

For those of you looking for something crunchy, I accidentally invented a crunchy cheese biscuit while making toasted sandwiches the other day:

Just sprinkle grated cheese or thinly sliced cheese onto a non-stick pan and fry until it goes golden - the thinner the layer, the more bubbly and crispy it will go, although it takes a while! I've seen chefs do it in the oven with parmesan - might be worth a try that way?

Just spent £140 in Costco on massive packs of meat, cooked chickens and green veg - not even tempted to look at their lovely cakes thanks to a hearty LC breakfast!

DoingItForMyself Tue 22-Jan-13 11:25:59

disregard, just saw cat's parmesan crisp instructions!

thekitchenfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 11:47:50

Hello everyone <waves excitedly>... I've just had by scary bad fat test...

First a great big thanks to BIWI for producing this thread just when I needed it...

In November I had v scary trip to docs after a random fitness test showed I had too much body fat... And way too much visceral fat (the bad smelly stuff that clings to your arteries)... I was in the high to dangerously high level...

I have been struggling to lose the last stone after DS2 for 5 years now, and utterly despondent. Gym lady said a LC diet might help, as would attempting to gym 3 times a week, not just randomly. I was sceptical, and really struggling for ideas when... Along came BIWI and you fantastic lot grin

I have had the rotten mick taken out of me now since fully embracing it, with lots of mutterings about heart attacks, yo-yo, plus cheese = cholesterol = sudden death. Grrrr...

Anyway. Am rambling, but will try to be brief.

Today, I have lost 6% of my body fat... yippee... and bad fat is now.... Safe In fact it is in the low end. I have more muscle and have lost 12"... And that's with Xmas in the way. smile smile

Obv, I am not medical, but I just wanted to share as some of us are finding unhelpful advice is getting us down... as no-one in my RL is really getting it, and I think you fab lot will share my joy!!!

<walked past coffee and cake place and came home to decaf with cream and salmon and avocado for my treat lunch>

thekitchenfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 11:49:38

Never mind the fab recipe ideas and the losses.... PUPPIES!!!!! How 'citing.

And That burnt cake thread... A gem, not least cos it kept me away from snacking while digesting it and laughing raucously!

NoveltySlippers Tue 22-Jan-13 12:02:39

kitchenfairy That is FABULOUS news!!!!

Am sure BIWI will be thrilled as will all the other campers. That is such an encouraging story - seriously. You could be the poster girl for the health benefits of LCing! Thanks so much for letting us all know. Hip hip hooray for you!

Kiriwawa Tue 22-Jan-13 12:21:59

Gosh that's brilliant kitchenfairy - you must be thrilled!

thekitchenfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 12:28:54

Thank you novelty and kiri

I am soooooo pleased. Made me feel much better about my small losses... Because its coming off the dangerous places first grin while feeling a leetle bit smug as i can carry on roasting belly pork for the famalam, scoffing cheese and, smugetty smugness ... Enjoying cream in my decaf coffee!!!

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 12:33:58

That's absolutely brilliant news, thekitchenfairy thanks

You should be really pleased with yourself! And now you have the evidence you need to answer back to all the naysayers grin

Repeat after me:

"Eating fat does not make me fat!"

PlatoonBuffoon Tue 22-Jan-13 12:35:10

kitchenfairy I actually feel quite emotional reading your post. Ok, I'm hormonal and on the blob but I'm already starting to feel pretty evangelical about this stuff, and your post just proves the value of this WOE. It's amazing, you must feel so pleased.

ThisWOE has had such an impact on me, the penny has dropped, I will never go back to my old habits. I actually feel ANGRY, about the 'conventional wisdom' mis sold to us, the money I've spent on dieting clubs set up to make me fail, the guilt I was made to feel by the crappy dieting industry at for not being able to control myself. For so many wasted years.

But you can't really sell this WOE can you? So why market it? All it has taken is a lovely bunch of ladies, sharing advice and supporting each other, with no money or politics involved, and I feel like I'm finally going to be in control of food and weight for the first time in my life. I haven't seem the loses some of you have, but the freedom I feel is a completely unexpected side effect.

Results like the kitchefairy's completely reinforces what we are doing. I am so delighted for you!

Ahem, that is all.

<removes 'brave heart face paint and steps down from soap box>

thekitchenfairy that is bloody awesome

thekitchenfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 12:47:16

Yes BIWI and platoon... It was a real leap of faith for me, as although my diet wasn't bad to look at, 10yrs of WW had laid down a dangerous toll, I had, reluctantly, removed all good fat to be replaced with crap fat... And told every week I hadn't lost because I'd eaten the naice ham not the WW ham angry or had an extra egg for breakfast...

T then be told I was a heart attack statistic waiting to happen was frankly terrifying.

But here I am, and as you say Platoon supported on another one of life's major journeys by MN.

It's effect on the emotional me has been amazing... No more cupboard raiding, chocolate biscuits at dawn... Or feeling like something sugary will reward me.i think it will be a while before those sugar cravings calm down, but feeling v empowered today!

Lots of thanks to everyone on this thread... I would not be doing this without you and your fabulous supportthanks thanks thanks

PlatoonBuffoon Tue 22-Jan-13 12:51:41

I almost feel like we should write a collective letter to WW and demand our money back! Plus a bit extra for enforced mental cruelty grin

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 12:57:50


Platoon - your thread brought tears to my eyes as well blush

I'm so glad that it's working for you. I, too, am very angry about the (continued) advice about what we should be eating to be 'healthy'. And it makes me wonder what it will take to change it?

slatternlymother Tue 22-Jan-13 13:02:02

thekitchenfairy bloody well done! It's amazing how you get brainwashed by these massive companies, I mean I know it works for some people, but I honestly think that unless you've got a LOT to lose; it doesn't really work that well. And I think the reason it woeks well then, is because you will lose weight if you cut down on a heavy -eating lifestyle, regardless of who you do it with.

Yes as well to emotional eating being curbed. Sometimes I do think 'oooooh I'd love a chcolate bar' when I'm feeling down, or to reward myself. Or cheer myself up. Or because I've been good/bad/indifferent. I don't know if that will ever actually go. Maybe it's an inbuilt thing? But now, I think about how it's not going to solve anything, or make the problem go away, and I certainly won't feel rewarded. I'll feel rubbish. Like I've got a brick lying in my belly and now I've got to come and tell you all about it and confess blush

This thread represents everything that I love Mumsnet for. The time and dedication people have put in answering questions, making a spreadsheet (bloody marvelous!), giving encouragement, positive solutions, kind words and support... It's fabulous. It really is. thanks

mumat39 Tue 22-Jan-13 13:10:55

WOW, thekitchenfairy!!! That's amazing and SO good to hear!!!

Platoon, i feel the same! I did diet chef this time last year for a few months. It was v.v. expensive and I lost a stone. As soon as I stopped tough the weight came back on and my shape changed in that the fat seemed to go around my middle as well as the usual thighs, bum, etc. at the start of this I weighed more than I had when I started diet chef!

I have some of those electric scales that tell you how much body fat you have. According o those I was 45% which is shocking!!! When I weighed myself yesterday, it had hon down to 42.6%. I'm not sure how accurate they are but those numbers are definitely higher than they were this time last year.

I do still think about sweet stuff, buti'm not obsessing about it. I even made some choc chip biscuits for my dc the other day and enjoyed the smell but didn't feel deprived by not being able to have any. It's amazing as that's the first ime in my life ever that I've not been bothered.

I'm worried about moving onto bootcamp light as I've never had much control over how much I eat and am worried that I'd scoff a whole pack of fruit without even realising. I've never been a one square of choc or just one biscuit type person. I've always just had o finish what I've started.

I've oy lost 6lbs over the 2 weeks but it's still a loss so yayyyy!

MrsHP, well done! Congrats!


Hello all, lovely to read such fab posts! This is a lovely thread smile I was always more of a lurker than a poster, Id been on here for about 6 years then decided to namechange and start afresh. Im pleased that Im posting a lot more often than I ever did before, its helping me feel more 'in the loop' and you're all really helping so much. If Id kept quiet I doubt Id have got this far.

Im still at 126lbs, so presuming I leave the spreadsheet alone? In anycase I cant see where Im meant to enter a new weight anyway. If anyone can do whatever needs doing (if anything) Id appreciate it. thanks

you all say it much better than i could... this WOE has changed not only my weight for the better but also my eating behaviour and entire relationship with food. i am annoyed with myself for being so frankly cruel to my own body and mind for so long

you are all so fab and supportive thanks

guy it's column K, you're already in there so don't worry

Yama Tue 22-Jan-13 13:29:08

Can I ask a favour please? Can somebody add me to the Spreadsheet? Monday I weighed in at 138.5. I think that's right - 9 stone 12 and a half.

I'm in the middle of house move hell so no internet and I can't open the spreadsheet at work - access denied!


TooImmatureMincePies Tue 22-Jan-13 13:34:52

<crawls back in guiltily>

Hello all you lovely losers! I fell off the wagon with a crash last week (think I had New Year-itis, started this woe plus Shred plus went back to work after mat leave and it was all a bit much) but am back on the straight and narrow now! I'm not going to weigh-in until Monday, though - am too scared to look right now! LC shop has been done and DH batch-cooked lots of lovely meals and packed them ready to take for lunch all week.

B was Tesco Greek-style yog, which is higher carb than Total or even the Tesco Finest stuff, but it was all there was in the Tesco Metro near work when I realised that I had taken lunch but not breakfast.

L: Chicken Caesar salad with home-made dressing and halloumi croutons.

Snacks so far have been a Baby Bel and a mini Pepperami, and I'm on my third 750ml bottle of water.

slatternlymother Tue 22-Jan-13 13:42:32

<grabs tooimmature, hustles her inside Bootcamp house of love and slams door>

Now stay there! Just do one thing at a time. Maybe do 2 weeks of this WOE, then add exercise in slowly. Maybe make it a 60 day shread instead wink

Going back to work after mat leave is really hard on you, I remember it well. The temptation to comfort eat is huge. Just concentrate on this WOE for now. That's quite enough for anyone to cope with.

TooImmatureMincePies Tue 22-Jan-13 13:53:46

<wipes away tear> Thank you, Slatternly, what a lovely welcome!

Yayyy to MrsHP and thekitchenfairy - that is such fantastic news!!! thanks So happy for you both - it's such a wonderful feeling psychologically to break the stone barrier, and also very encouraging to hear that (for kitchenfairy at least) it it the bad fat going first.

Yes <ahem> there may be a reason why some of you STSs are already there... [blush} Willie that's why I didn't fiddle it back - I wasn't sure who was already meant to be there, and who I'd fiddled with. <promises faithfully hand on heart never ever to go near the spreadsheet of WOE again>

B ham and cheese
S Salami
L cold roast beef, tiny bit of horseradish sauce, half a tomato, mozzarella, olives, little gem, olive oil

Not sure what I'm having for supper yet. All this talk of celeriac virginity is leading me to lustful thoughts for celeriac.

Has anyone tried making fishcakes with celeriac?? Was thinking celeriac and salmon fishcakes could be rather nice.

don't be daft choo, it doesn't matter, it's only a bit of fun grin

i've made fishcakes with mashed cauli which were nice but fell apart a bit - celeriac sounds an excellent idea

EwanHoozami Tue 22-Jan-13 14:36:23

tooimmature welcome back. halloumi croutons are a baddass idea. I'm pinching that!

EwanHoozami Tue 22-Jan-13 14:38:28

choo when I made fishcakes with mashed celeriac they ended up a bit soggy.

Ilovemyteddy Tue 22-Jan-13 15:32:04

Bum! I love fish cakes and I love celeriac so I was hoping that they would have worked.

Great news about your fat test KitchenFairy. And I loved your post Platoon. I've never been to WW or SW. Any time I've dieted in the past it's just been me following the low-fat bolleaux that is pedalled by the medics, the Government and the food giants. The weight has come off, but I've made myself ill in the process, and as soon as I've started eating 'normally' it's all gone back on again. This WOE works because of the variety of yummy food you can eat, and because of BIWI, the spreadsheet, and you lot out there thanks

Did anyone see Embarrassing Fat Bodies this week? Same old low-cal shite. One woman was offered gastric surgery with no mention of dieting/changing her way of eating. It's just a programme that plugs private 'health' practitioners IMVHO


I think I'm going to have to give up work soon just to keep up with the thread.
I'm not ashamed to say I am sitting here with a tear in my eye. It is fantastic that this WOE and MN can help so many people.

I can't stress enough what a positive impact it has had on my life.

Luffs you all

Throws a few of these to todays main speakers flowers and to BIWI for starting us off and keeping us in line flowers

ilovemyteddy - didn't see that one but I get really cross when I see this sort of shit.

Everything I read about low fat/low cal just smacks of goverment conspiracy with the food industry


starshaker Tue 22-Jan-13 15:36:46

OK nothing else seems to be working so thought id give this a go. Not got a clue what im meant to be doing though

Doshusallie Tue 22-Jan-13 15:41:21

Welcome starshaker. You need the Spreadhseet of Fabulousness, not to record your weight or weight loss if you don't want to but for all the information on it - allowed veg, some links to the science behind this way of eating if you want to feel informed (recommended) and what you can eat. Think it might be at the beginning of the thread? If not someone can link you to it.

Huge health benefits to eating this way, so jump aboard!

EwanHoozami Tue 22-Jan-13 15:42:36

Hi starshaker have a look at the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet linked to in the OP. If you're just starting out, you need to follow the Bootcamp rules for a fortnight. Lots of info in there about allowed veg, further reading etc.

If you're completely new to this way of eating, Escape The Diet Trap by John Briffa is the one to read (his summaries at the end of each chapter make it really easy to get the gist quickly)

and welcome! smile

EwanHoozami Tue 22-Jan-13 15:44:16

Aw, everyone's getting all fluffy. We luffs you too, Gless.

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 15:47:22

Oh goodness! I may have to start ranting and waving my big stick around soon to stop crying!


I'm hopping up and down with joy at the way people are finding out that this WOE works, and is really quite enjoyable. I've been telling people for years that low carb is the way to go - even (cough) if I didn't manage to stick to it beyond the 3 year mark myself the first time, which is why I'm here. I totally understand the urge to get all evangelical about it - but I try to resist that unless I've had a few drinks nowadays, else I end up getting into arguments.

I'm another one who gets really angry at the way low fat/low cal is still being promoted - it's not in the interests of companies like WeightWatchers, Slimming World etc. for us to lose the weight and keep it off - they want us to keep on paying them!

Well done everyone who has lost this week - and huge thanks to BIWI for starting this, and working o hard on it - really appreciated!

cathyandclaire Tue 22-Jan-13 15:51:03

Awww < wipes tear from eye> I'm a little over emotional (and knackered) because we've just had 6 wriggly snuggly little labrador puppies....they are cuter than cute and all doing well, no resuc needed, will post pics when I can pull myself together!
We've had an hour gap since the last one so just waiting to see if there's any more.
Have not eaten a single sensible thing all day, just coffee and fridge surfing for cheese and left overs.

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 15:55:51

Puppies! grin

You must set up a Facebook page IMMEDIATELY so that we can all coo over them. What do you mean you're tired? Get on with it!


TooImmatureMincePies Tue 22-Jan-13 16:18:43

Ewan, I'd love to take credit for it but it was suggested by someone else on these threads - can't remember who, though. You're right, it is LUSH.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but did anyone read a story in The Times on Saturday about a new BMI calculation? It basically said that short people actually need to be lighter than previously thought, whereas tall people can be heavier. So someone of 5'2" (like me) used to be overweight at 9 stone 11, whereas now it'd be 9 stone 6. sad (Item: last time I weighed pre-binge I was 9 stone 12). DH at 5'11" would gain an extra half-stone allowance, though. This is because taller people have more bone/muscle mass. I was annoyed - I was nearly in a normal weight range and now I've got about half a stone to go!

Doshusallie Tue 22-Jan-13 16:24:58

Tooimmature do not listen to that BMI shit. It is all bollocks and does not take build or stature into consideration.

Yay To mrs HP!!! grin

Double hurray to new puppies! Congratulations Cathy! grin grin

TooImmatureMincePies Tue 22-Jan-13 16:27:45

Puppies! So cute! envy of puppy cuteness.

Ilovemyteddy Tue 22-Jan-13 16:57:12

Puppies! Awwwww! Congrats Cathy.

Welcome Starshaker . Everyone, I PM'd Starshaker who posted a thread on here about wanting to lose weight, but she has been cutting calories down to a very low level, which hasn't worked for her. So I suggested she tries low carbing as we all know that that has worked/is working for us.

Starshaker probably the best thing you can do to start with is search for the First Bootcamp thread which has all the rules for starting out - we are in the third week,so things are a little more relaxed. There is a questions thread and a recipe thread too.

I'm sure BIWI will be along shortly to explain the rules to you. It is worth reading the John Briffa book Escape the diet trap and also The Idiot Proof Diet by India Knight. Both helped me enormously. Briffa explains the science and the IPD explains the emotional side behind why we overeat.

This way of eating will seem strange when you are used to the low-fat, low-cal message that has been pushed for years. Basically you eat meat, fish, eggs as much as you want, plus natural fat - butter, cream, a limited amount of cheese. You get your carbs from a list of veggies that is on the spreadsheet (link is on the first post on this thread.) There are a lot of veg that is carbs, so you need to check before eating. And NO fruit because it contains sugar.

You MUST eat fat or or you will not lose weight. And you must drink loads of water - about 4 litres a day as I know you have a lot of weight that you want to lose. The water keeps your kidneys hydrated, allowing your liver to do its job of fat-burning.

If you read the first Bootcamp thread from the end of Dec2012 you will see the rules. Good luck (and PM me if you need more explanations.)

Ilovemyteddy Tue 22-Jan-13 17:00:05

"There is a lot of veg that is carbs". WTF?

Sorry! What I meant to say is that there is a lot of veg that is carby, so you do need to refer to the list so that you make the right choices. Potatoes are obviously carby, but so are peas, carrots, onions, tomatoes. These should be avoided if poss.

thekitchenfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 17:05:45

Agree slatters ... 9 odd years of lies and Myth, the only thing similar is water drinking, we should all be made to be aware that it actually helps flush fat out! But I still kept on paying, despite the shame and hating the whole thing, until this month... What on earth did I think would happen if I cancelled!

Maybe we should raid a meeting... With our cheese crisps, our naice ham and a gurt tub of Ff Greek yog grin

Ilovemyteddy Tue 22-Jan-13 17:06:30


The 'normal' weight range for my height is 139-155lbs on the BMI chart, which was the reason I set my target weight at 147lbs - right in the middle. I see it as more of an emotional help - having a 'number' to reach, rather than having any degree of accuracy as I was always told I was 'big-boned' but I have size 6 feet and small hands, and a long upper body, so think I am more likely to be 'average' boned grin

PostBellumBugsy Tue 22-Jan-13 17:16:50

So great to see everyone sticking with it. I downloaded a carb counter app on my phone (which was free) and I've found it really useful - but that is because I like seeing how many carbs I'm eating - you don't need one.

Really yummy treat - get some sliced pepperoni & grate some cheese on top of the slices - pop them in the oven or under the grill & you have little mini pizzas.

I don't weigh, but clothes continuing to feel looser & the difference in my face is very noticable - well to me anyway!

Keep going one & all - listen to BIWI's amazing advice & stick with it - because it really does work. smile


(After you've had a hot drink and a sit down obv)

thekitchenfairy Tue 22-Jan-13 17:22:49

Golly, between reading Platoon and Cathy I have come over all emotional.

Food is so linked to our emotions, it makes memories and it revives, but if the relationship isn't healthy it can be really destructive.

All a bit warm and fuzzy, but this has changed me forever, and I honestly thought I was the only one struggling, it's such a hard thing to talk about, especially as curvy often = happy... But when it's bad it's bad.

Get your stick out BIWI before we all get carried away and forget to cook dinner grin

mumat39 Tue 22-Jan-13 17:30:26

Cathy, congratulations. They sound adorable! thanks and a cuppa brew.

mumat39 Tue 22-Jan-13 17:34:32

Willie, I was wondering if there are any stats available from the previous bootcamps, you know, like, how many started, how many lost weight, what the total weight loss was over the 10 week period?

I love stats me, and BIWI has done such an amazing thing o help so many people get started and to stick with this, I think it would be motivating to see what is possible, ESP as bootcamp lite is here now.

No worries if that's a bad idea, I'm just a bit into stats. <saddo emoticon>


PlatoonBuffoon Tue 22-Jan-13 17:38:25

Congrats cathy. I want pictures too. They sounds adorable!

kitchenfairy I so agree. I always thought I was one of those people who enjoyed their food too much to be slim. And in that self deprecating way curvy people often develop, would quite happily tell people I was a greedy hedonist and proud. Now I feel like it might just be possible to be a greedy hedonist AND slim. It's like the holy grail for greedy hedonists everywhere! I've a way to go, but I'm feeling positive!

mumat39 Tue 22-Jan-13 17:38:50

Talking of rubbish on the tv, has anyone seen the new government sponsored ad on how o eat healthily? It has three plasticine people in it and although it's right about things like sugar in processed foods, it is still also going on about how fat is bad! No mention of carbs spiking blood sugar etc.

Seriously, this has to be a conspiracy?

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 17:43:03


For all those of you who were wanting crispy/crunchy snacks - I have been experimenting in the kitchen and have come up with some cheese flaxseed crackers that work out at 0.04g carbs each!

I adapted a Delia recipe for crackers made with wholemeal flour.

50g milled flaxseed (I used Linwoods, which I bought in Sainsbury's)
50g grated Cheshire cheese
50g grated Cheddar cheese
50g butter, at room temperature, cut into dice
1/4 teaspoon salt
pinch cayenne pepper
freshly ground pepper

Mix everything together as if you were going to make pastry (I did this by hand, but with retrospect it would have easier to use my food processor). It should come together quite easily in a dough.

Put a large piece of clingfilm down on your worktop and put the lump of dough in the middle of it, and top with another piece of clingfilm. This means that you can roll the dough out without having to use flour - so keeping the carbs as low as possible.

Now - when the dough was rolled out, I used a small biscuit cutter to make about 20 rounds (each about 2 inches across). I put these on a baking tray, on top of some greaseproof paper. However, when I baked them, and the butter and cheese melted, the flaxseed didn't absorb the fat, like flour would, so the whole lot melted into one big piece. But - when I took it out of the oven, it broke anyway, into individual pieces.

So - you could do what I did, or you could just roll the whole thin out thinly and bake it in one piece, and then cut it up when it comes out of the oven.

I baked them on a shallow oven tray, at 170 degrees (fan oven) for an initial 6 minutes, checked them and then gave them another 2 minutes, as the outside was crispy but the middle was still a bit soggy.

When they are cooked, they look sort of lacey, a bit like brandy snaps.

They are lovely!

Kiriwawa Tue 22-Jan-13 17:48:18

I had a nightmare last night that I accidentally ate a cake grin

It's like the nightmares I used to have where I was smoking after I'd given up. I have never had one about food before. I've been reading Andreas Swedish doctor's blog today which is v interesting and inspiring - there are some great before and after photos on there. So many of the low carb websites seem to be low carb/low fat ie just low calorie.

Ooh puppies - please can we have a photo? I need cuteness.

Welcome starshaker, I've been here less than a week (8 days of this WOE today) and it's a very friendly place to be.

thanks all round

QuickLookBusy Tue 22-Jan-13 17:50:22

Ooh BWIW, they sound delicious!

I'm really missing cheese with biscuits or bread, so will be running out to buy some flaxseed tomorrow.

Thank you!

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 17:53:24

In the interests of absolute accuracy, I've added in the carb counts for the cheese, and the butter (I never knew that 100g butter has 1g carbs!), and for the whole mixture, it comes to 1.45g carbs. If you cut it into 20 pieces, that makes each one 0.07g carbs.

Mumat39 we do have old stats but they would need a bit of cleaning up! I'll have a fiddle and see if I can do some thing over the next few days - it's a good idea

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 17:54:29

They are very delicate, QLB - they won't necessarily carry a lump of cheese nor will you be able to spread any cheese on them. They're more like a substitute for crisps.

Jacaqueen Tue 22-Jan-13 18:12:51

I am having a great day.
Scales were 2lbs down.
I have been to the toilet and produced a large poo.
Just found out that waitrose opens near me on Thursday.

Then to top it all I come on here and you are all having a low carb love fest.


timidviper Tue 22-Jan-13 18:20:18

willie I have not weighed this week due to life's trials and tribulations but please don't take me off as, like Arnie, I'll be back!

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Tue 22-Jan-13 18:26:36

Still too much cheese and cream today but less than usual and 3 litres of watersmile.

Missed breakfast.
Lunch was 2 pork strips.
Dinner was roasted chicken thighs with a big pile of cabbage, leek, mushrooms and cauliflower in a homemade cheese sauce (could eat this every day).

A few cups of tea with cream and a tiny bit of Brie for a snack.

Still drinking water so will be closer to 4 litres by bedtime.
Tomorrow I'm going to cook a mince bolognese thing to have with cauliflower and cabbage so less cheese and cream.

Am hoping ketosis kicks in soon so won't be so hungry.

Don't worry viper I leave it t least two weeks anyway before removing people and I would jut have carried you over. Hope you're looking after you and yours xx

anewdispensation Tue 22-Jan-13 18:45:36

Hi all.... having low carb shephersd pie with celeriac mash topping.. yummmmmy. Jeans are so loose now I need a new pair.

Bessie123 Tue 22-Jan-13 18:47:56

Hmm, I had a bite of bread today. I made it and my dd said it was 'yucky' (she says that about everything I make angry) so I tried it.

How bad is that? It feels ok..?

NoveltySlippers Tue 22-Jan-13 19:12:22

Just had halfthesize's garlic butter chicken wrapped in Parma ham. Was v nice but I left it in the oven too long I think. (With me and cooking I always know it's the workman to blame, not the tools!)

NoveltySlippers Tue 22-Jan-13 19:14:58

Kiriwawa that Andreas Swedish doctor dude is such a sweetie too blush (sad)

NellVarnish Tue 22-Jan-13 19:19:11

Gless, thank you, fish pie sounds great and I'll have look at curried mince and shephered's pie recipes too.

Slatternly - I've resisted today even when DD's came in with Crunchies!

I've missed the love fest! But agree with all of the above ^^

And the puppies! Where are they? Congrats Cathy!

And thekitchenfairy - great news! Well done!

You are all bloody marvellisimo!

NellVarnish Tue 22-Jan-13 19:21:19

By the way, how much Lidl yoghurt is a serving BIWI? Scared I'm having too much as I love it. Although not had any today. Yet. grin

NoveltySlippers Tue 22-Jan-13 19:27:35

Hmm...I have a yoghurt question too.

Now that we're boot camping light, am I allowed Yeo Valley Greek Style Yoghurt?

It's got 7g carbs (hides/cowers) - HOWEVER - it's all natural, no added sugars and it's organic and made from happ(ier) cows, which is important to me.

It's also blooming' delicious!

DangerousMouse Tue 22-Jan-13 19:30:22

In total over the 2 weeks I am 11lb down, wow, this is great, so easy! I'm not even hungry anymore.

Today I've had half an atkins shake for B (I know, I know)
L omelette with courgette, baby corn and goats cheese
D a desert spoon of clotted cream! Really not hungry for dinner, but may have some buttered veg later.

BIWI Tue 22-Jan-13 19:30:52

I don't know the carb count of the Lidl yoghurt - I've never bought it!

Will see what I can find out.

Nell - that is really quite carby, unless you're very strict with your portions.

NoelHeadbands Tue 22-Jan-13 19:31:08

Evening all

Some lovely posts on here today smile

B - eggs and bacon and butter
L - last nights leftovers of cauli cheese and mince
T - steak with chard, mushrooms (blerk) and a few fried shallots. Swimming in butter

NoveltySlippers Tue 22-Jan-13 19:36:09

Hmm, think you're right. It would require strict portion-age, the Yeo Valley yoghurt route.... <ponders>

NellVarnish Tue 22-Jan-13 19:38:45

Thanks BIWI, bear with and I'll go and have a look ...

gloriafloria Tue 22-Jan-13 19:40:43

Wow kitchen fairy, that's fab. Just proves what a healthy woe this is.

Platoon, such a lovely post. Feeling quite emosh! You put into words what I think of this fab group.

Welcome Doing it for myself!

B coffee with cream
L waitrose prep stir fry (done in the microwave!) knob of butter and cheese. Delish
D 2 low carb sausages and a celeriac gratin.

Not drank enough water and had too many coffees, one had milk in as well - someone made it and didn't want to throw it away. Had a few comments today about looking good so feeling proud. I feel like I'm spoiling myself on this woe and strangely enjoying food shopping. I'm actually producing some tasty unprocessed healthy food and get excited when planning my meals. Did I never imagine I'd ever say such words!