Week 2 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Half way there!

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BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 08:38:07

Sorry to be a bit late this morning - no doubt you're all chomping at the bit to declare all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 14-Jan-13 08:46:05

You were probably busy knitting.

Marks place brew

I can't spreadsheet from my phone - sorry to whoever was telling us off for non-entry! smile I'm 175.2 this morning if someone would like to do it...

Marking place & having a moan as I have lost NOTHING (actually gained a teeny amount sad). I think I may be due an AF, despite having the implant, as I have achy boobs & general icky-ness, so fingers crossed that's the reason.

Sticking with it as I know it works & I've seen good results in the past.

Well done all the losers envy, hopefully I'll be among you next week.

barleywood Mon 14-Jan-13 08:57:11

Morning smile

Stylelostinlabour Mon 14-Jan-13 08:57:42

Updated spreadsheet - nice to see 4.2% loss

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 09:00:28

HavingAnOffDay - don't worry - it will be your menstrual cycle messing with things. If you can possibly manage it, try and drink a bit more water.

Pistey - I was trying to have a lie-in this morning, till DH very helpfully woke me up to tell me I had to wake DS2 up hmm.

Firsttimepig Mon 14-Jan-13 09:00:43

bigstick may I just ask on your list it says no nuts but I am following IPD do you think I should quit the nuts ?? The Veg list is really helpful thanks.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 09:04:28

It's up to you - you need to decide which plan you're following! Nuts are allowed on Bootcamp from next week, if that helps.

mumat39 Mon 14-Jan-13 09:05:06

First week loss 4.6lbs. I think I was hoping for more as I've been really good. BUT, that's the mosti've ever lost on the first week of any diet so onwards and downwards. smile

Firsttimepig Mon 14-Jan-13 09:07:34

bigstick thanks can you add me onto your sheet too ? I will keep the nuts as need the fibre. its only a small handful a day.

Sorelip Mon 14-Jan-13 09:09:52

I've lost 5lb. Not bad, considering I was drinking for 3 of those days, and had a carby day yesterday.

herecomesthsun Mon 14-Jan-13 09:09:54

I am 9lb down since last week (and 5lb down since yesterday (?how). Am slightly disbelieving. Have dualit scales which are accurate as far as I know but not terribly precise - they show kg (I'm now 80kg) but show stones and lb with divisions of 2lb.

Food yesterday - a gallon of lassi (not really exaggerating) and lots of decaf coffee with soya milk.

B: 2 eggs with Boursin
L: meatloaf, broccoli and leeks
snack : babybel, inadvertent bite of apple, cheese and mayonnaise
D: cauliflower cheese, salad, various meats, ham etc, olives

mumat39 Mon 14-Jan-13 09:11:00

Hi littlemissstano, I've added your details onto the spreadsheet. smile

mumat39 Mon 14-Jan-13 09:11:22

Sorry, littlemissstan.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 09:11:38

Firsttimepig - if you're eating enough veg/salad, fat and drinking enough water, you shouldn't need the extra fibre from nuts!

And when you say 'it's only a small handful' - make sure that you weigh that handful, just to work out how many carbs you're eating. I don't normally advocate weighing, because the whole point of Bootcamp is to avoid that. But when you're 'cheating' it's worth understanding how much of a cheat it actually is!

Jacaqueen Mon 14-Jan-13 09:12:33

I am 4 pounds down.

Well done everyone.

PennyHofstadter Mon 14-Jan-13 09:12:33

Weighed in this morning - 3.25lb down from Thursday which is a good start. Just hope it continues.

Wilding Mon 14-Jan-13 09:13:16

I'm only 2lb down... I know why this is but I think I could do with a bit of help to improve!

-need to drink more water
-have had trouble cutting out booze entirely (lots of big social events this month)
-eating too much cheese

Any ideas for snacks that don't include cheese or meat would be gratefully received! I know it's more tricky doing this diet as a veggie but I think if I plan better I can manage without eating cheese twice a day.

Collywibbles Mon 14-Jan-13 09:13:47

1lb off here (rounding up lbs) which is fine. I am having a horrid UC flare and am back on steroids which is a pain and haven't done any exercise since Wed so feel generally yucky.

Huge well done to all those who have had losses, and "keep the faith" to those who haven't lost or not lost as much as they would have liked. Remember it is not a race and we will all have good and bad weeks xx

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 09:17:50

Some great losses here - brilliant! thanks

And a good reminder from Collywibbles - we aren't in a race or a competition. Some people will lose more than others, as we're all different.

If you're following the rules (you are, aren't you?) then it will happen for you.

Wilding olives make a really good, low carb snack - and if you're veggie, then you can also have nuts. Roasted macadamias are the lowest in carb. Roasted almonds are also good.

troyandabedinthemorning Mon 14-Jan-13 09:18:03

3.3lb, but that's only since Thursday morning- since my clothes are literally falling off me I think it's safe to say that if I'd had a proper start weight it would be an awful lot more.

I feel fantastic! And, even better, my husband says I look fantastic and that you can really see the weight loss smile

Boobz Mon 14-Jan-13 09:22:53

Only 1lb down since last week, and am now 112lbs. I knew these last 3lbs would be a nightmare to shift. I am only 2 weeks away from finishing my P90X work out schedule, and I really want to get down to goal weight for final Day 90 photos... just need to keep on keeping on!

Still, have lost nearly 18lbs since I started LCing on Oct 1st, so am still happy.

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 14-Jan-13 09:26:16

Morning all, i am down just over 3lb, would have liked a little bit more but that'll do.

Hope you are all feeling positive for the week ahead.

Egg and bacon for breakfast today.

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 14-Jan-13 09:29:53

Well done to all of you! Some great losses.

Only 2lb for me in the last 10 days. I actually put a little bit back on as I was 4lb after the first few days.

Bit annoyed but reminding myself I had some great nights out (several birthdays) have been thoroughly enjoying my food and not feeling at all deprived. Plan for this week:

Try eliminating dairy (or vastly reducing)
No drinking now for a week or two
Increase water

Will see where that gets me

As I am seeing many other benefits from the WOE I have no inclination to go back to the clutches of carbs, whether or not I see fast weight loss like some of you.

Now to brave a run in the snow <stupid> < dedicated>

I'm going to weigh in at lunchtime when I take ds to his class at the leisure centre, I don't have my own scales due to being a bit mental in that dept. confused Well done everyone so far!

Lastyearsmodel Mon 14-Jan-13 09:30:40

1lb down. S preadsheet updated. Was hoping for more, but only weighed for the first time 5 days ago so not bad in 5 days. Probably need to reduce dairy - cheese is so easy to snack on. Not a fan of boiled eggs unfortunately.

Well done everyone on your successful losses!

EwanHoozami Mon 14-Jan-13 09:33:04

some tremendous losses here and on the end of the last thread. Well done everyone, bet you're all glowing and full of energy too. Thanks BIWI and Willie thanks

My excess Christmas 2lb has gone, taking with it another bonus pound. Chuffed!

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 09:36:17

firsttimepig - I went to the spreadsheet to put you on, but you're already there!

Thanks BIWI I know that's probably the reason so I'm trying to not be disheartened.

I'm also going to record all my food on here so that I have a proper note of it for future analysis should I NOT lose again next week

Breakfast: 2 eggs, scrambled with butter plus 3 slices of Edam & a pint of water

well done everyone on losses!

if you aren't able to weigh in today or would prefer to wait for another day don't worry - i don't fiddle with the spreadsheet to do biggest loser / biggest average loser etc until about friday anyway

Suttyshotty Mon 14-Jan-13 09:43:43

Hooray 3 1/2lb off, I would have preferred to lose more, but I've not perhaps been as good as I could be..... Still, on the right track and feeling much better, I've got more energy and I don't feel sluggish and bloated.smile

kandinskysgirl Mon 14-Jan-13 09:46:09

2lb down for me. I am very pleased as I completely lost it last week after a day of interviewing and got a pizza!

This week my lovely DP has already batch cooked my Low Carb meals for all week so at least I wont have any excuses to cheat.

AuntieMaggie Mon 14-Jan-13 09:47:20

6lb down grin

Really pleased as I had a few slips (please don't beat me BIWI)

ScaredySquirrel Mon 14-Jan-13 09:52:07

My batteries ran out on my scales, so I've put in Saturday's weight instead. 5lb down!

GibbsGirl Mon 14-Jan-13 09:52:37

My DH said to me last night you look really well! Must be all the water I'm drinking that's plumping up my skin grin

Down 2 lbs to 164 lbs - which is great, considering this is week 22 for me. It might be 3 lbs - the scales are analog, not digital, and I wasn't totally awake - but I'll claim 2, and any 'extra' can go towards next week's report!

Well done everyone - there are some truly brilliant losses this week. Onwards and downwards!

Morning all

Recorder weight on spreadsheet.. I did rubbish! Proves i need to drink more this week!!

Long walk after the school run this morning to blow away the cobwebs and ive just had breaky : a while 200g of prawns! Yum!
Picked up some reduced stir fry chicken so i shall fru that up with some of my savoy left from yesterday for lunch.

We should be food shopping later so ill see what i can find for tonight!!

Well done to all those who have lost this week x

NoveltySlippers Mon 14-Jan-13 09:58:25

Good morning all. Congrats on all the losses!

I was actually headed for a whopping 6lb loss this week (probably because I'm new to low carbing).

Then I went on my binge at the weekend and piled on four pounds promptly. So, my final loss is 2lb. As you can imagine, am kicking myself smile

OTTMummA Mon 14-Jan-13 10:00:04

12.2lbs down smile I am chuffed, I gained 1lb on Saturday morning and was quite disappointed, think I need to up my water intake. I still want chocolate tbh, ibam resisting, but think it is an emotional want, difficult to stop thinking about it really which is pathetic.

3lb down (Ive recorded on spreadsheet) and bang on 9st smile

Prob couldve been a little more had I been super strict Miss Strict, however I had a glass of red yesterday (I didnt open a new bottle - was a glass left over from before) whilst waiting for my dinner (which I had a smidge of gravy with... I cant have a roast dinner without any gravy at all so Im not even going there grin ). I drank it in front of the fire and it was bliss.

Today I didnt want breakfast but I'll have something shortly. Not sure about lunch yet either but dinner is leftover roast pork with mash and something (I'll have celeriac with mine.)

Have a good day everyone, and well done on all the losses! Keep going!

OTT well done on resisting - and you're right about the emotional want. most of us who've given in at some point have found that actually it's nowhere near as good as we remember!

NoveltySlippers Mon 14-Jan-13 10:06:20

OTTMummA - wow, that's impressive!!

carbalanche Mon 14-Jan-13 10:07:42

1st week and 8 pounds off - gone from 13st 9 to 13st 1, that's down from 191 to 183 pounds.

Pleased smile

My only minor cheat was 3 small pieces of salmon maki at a sushi bar which contained about 6 teaspoons of sushi rice.

MsRinky Mon 14-Jan-13 10:12:27

4.1lbs off for me, so lighter now than I was before my rather extended and carb heavy Christmas period. Very happy with that.

Although obviously there was no official weigh-in before 7th Jan, I did weigh myself on 1st January, and was horrified to see that 11 days of feasting and drinking had resulted in a gain of 12lbs. I tell you this as an example of a) how much it is possible to gain back quickly if you go off plan, and b) that if you do go off plan, get back on it and you should hopefully be able to lose the gain (nearly) as quickly as it went on.

It's my 40th birthday this week, and I do have a planned cheat on the cards for that evening. However, in every year previous to this one, I have used my birthday as an excuse to not even start the diet until after it's been and gone, oh, and then it's Mr Rinky's birthday, oh, and then our wedding anniversary at the beginning of March, and oh, it's practically Easter, etc, etc.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 10:13:49

I don't know who was asking, but I've posted a recipe for beef casserole on the recipe thread

I've also posted a lovely recipe for mushroom pate, which is really low carb.

prettybird Mon 14-Jan-13 10:23:55

Despite having somehow put on a pound between yesterday and today, I'm being honest and putting down my weight today - which is still a 7lb loss! smile Woo hoo - 3.8% down, to 12st 9lb.

Have noticed I'm not snacking as much on allowed foods of course - I think that's a combination of the diet working and also just generally getting my act together better and doing stuff rather than prowling the kitchen looking for food wink.

Have done Level 2 of Ripped in 30 today too!

HumphreyCobbler Mon 14-Jan-13 10:24:50

hello everyone

I am still at it, but I don't weigh so all I can report is that things are going well and I have definitely lost the weight I gained at Christmas. Hope everyone has a good week.

EwanHoozami Mon 14-Jan-13 10:29:31

DH away this week so am summoning the impetus to make tasty low-carb meals just for me. I find it quite hard. Off to Lidl for pork chops and the like.

B: Lidl yog
L: lots of egg whites to use after Hollandaise-fest so a buttery egg-white spinach omelette
D: A 'whatever is still looking decent in the fridge' salad.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 10:31:20

Wow! There are some spectacular losses - letsgocamping has lost a stone!!!

Can't understand why he/she isn't here shouting from the rooftops about it! grin

timidviper Mon 14-Jan-13 10:37:53

Well done everybody! smile

As BIWI says, the important thing at this stage is to keep going with it and make it your normal way of life. Remember this WOE does not produce linear weight loss, those of you who lost nothing this week may see it start next week or even the one after. If you have lost a lot this week, don't expect it to continue at a huge rate or you will just demoralise yourself when it slows. That is a diet way of thinking, not a healthy long term view which is what we are trying to build here.

I weigh on Friday and had lost 5lb but had a disastrous weekend so may be back to square 1. Never mind, onwards and downwards!

Biscuit357 Mon 14-Jan-13 10:39:26


Am down 3lb which I'm OK with. Weight less yesterday morning but decided to be strict with myself and only put down todays weight rather than the lowest.

(It's exhausting playing these psychological war games with myself!)

Went to a Christening with buffet yesterday which was slightly dreading but they also had a Hog Roast.....bonus! I could eat allllllllll the crackling (which also made me drink a shed load of water as it was so salty)

Have ordered the Shred DVD off amazon which should arrive tomorrow - quick (stupid?) question. Are you supposed to do it for 30 days in a row?

Oh, also made the braised cabbage thing last night and was amazing (even though I burnt it a bit, but I quite like burnt food!).

envy Of all you ladies with big losses sad

MrsHoolie Mon 14-Jan-13 10:42:11

4lb off for me.

I can't wait to have full fat yog with berries for breakfast instead of eggs. I will stick at Bootcamp for at least another week though.

DangerousMouse Mon 14-Jan-13 10:47:49

8lb down for me, really pleased with that, well done every one.

I've been so hungry this morning. I've already had an atkins shake for breakfast, then some asparagus in butter and a babybel. I think I feel better now!

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 10:52:02

An Atkins shake? hmm

Have a look at the ingredients in that. Remember we're trying to avoid artificial foods and ingredients. Also remember that artificial sweeteners can have an impact on your weight loss. You've had a great loss so far, but this kind of product can stall you. Don't be fooled by the Atkins branding!

thonah Mon 14-Jan-13 10:53:42

3lb loss this week, which I'm pretty pleased with as it took me a few days to get properly into it. Into it now though so I'll have to continue that thi week. Day off today so I'm just planning menus and shopping list for the week.

Fadqueen Mon 14-Jan-13 10:54:51

Fantastic losses - absolutely brilliant and well done!

I'm only slightly disappointed that I lost 2 lbs, the cold had turned into the croaky/coughing like a demon phase and I had to get some relief in the form of Strepsilsand a bit of honey,hot water and brandy lemon.

Planning some meals and keeping focused!

DangerousMouse Mon 14-Jan-13 10:58:47

I know the shakes aren't great, but I'm really struggling with what to eat.

I tend to have a 3 egg omelette for lunch with a little cheese, courgette and spinach, then for dinner, roast/buttered veg. I honestly don't know what I could have for breakfast, I don't really want to have eggs for breakfast and lunch. I'm a really fussy vegetarian!

Thanks mumat! Have just been offered free prosecco and turne it down, you best all be proud of me smile

frenchfries22 Mon 14-Jan-13 11:11:11

Morning have stayed the same weight this week after loosing 6lbs the first four days before weighing in. Feeling ok and motivated that i am changing for good and feeling much better, am sure the weight will slowly come off, it has to i have drastically changed my diet - it will wont it? confused

slatternlymother Mon 14-Jan-13 11:11:48

Good God littlemiss you are a champion of champions. I'd have ripped their hand off and swigged straight from the bottle grin

Amazing losses from everyone; well done. It's so inspiring to read about everyone's journey. People posting the bad stuff is actually helping, because I'm learning from it and trying to recognise in myself when it's going a bit tits up and not to 'reward' myself with sugar.

I'm 1 week in and 10lbs down. Would someone be so good as to add me? I'm at work and it's blocking me angry

Feeling better now I'm at work, the bosses have actually been really nice, and when I got called into a meeting I actually turned down the posh biscuits they offered me <proud> and just sipped on my water that I took in with me <even fucking prouder> They can keep their biscuits, the sugary, job wrecking twats.

frenchfries22 Mon 14-Jan-13 11:14:01

dangerousMouse i am also an incredibly fussy vegetarian. Sticky at omlette for breakfast, cheese salad for lunch and butter veg with cauliflower rice for dinner. Its either loads of eggs or loads of cheese so i am trying to opt for the eggs!

KerryKetosis Mon 14-Jan-13 11:16:27

WOWZERS! Some brilliant losses y'all! Well done!

My modest 4lbs has been added to spreadsheet.

<heads back to bastard essay>

TheEarlyBird Mon 14-Jan-13 11:19:18

Hi BigStick - I tried to add my weight loss, which is 4lbs not 5, to the spreadsheet but stuffed up somehow confused. Please can you sort me out (and change my name to The Early Bird as there is already an Early Bird!). Thanks

prettybird Mon 14-Jan-13 11:24:08

Biscuit357 - can't remember re the Shred but in "Ripped in 30" Jillian Daniels tells you that you must have one or two days off a week. I'd skip one day a week on the Shred - but make sure you go for a good walk or something like that on the day "off".

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 14-Jan-13 11:29:45

Am down a couple of pounds so that's great although seem to have gained 1.75lbs since yesterday. Dinner yesterday was a huge plate of cauliflower, broccoli and mushrooms in a cheese sauce, it's one of my favourites but I always seem to gain the next day for some reason.

Don't know what's happened to my entry on the spreadsheet though. I seem to have lost my entire body weight since last September and it won't let me amend it, I know that have lost 18 pounds since last September and am really happy with that. I seem to go up and down on a daily basis but overall consistently lose eventually. Am only wanting to lose another half stone or so and it is definitely not going to happen quickly but I will get there in the end.

3 scrambled eggs and mushrooms for breakfast today. Already had a chunk of Brie and several cups of tea with cream, not hard to guess why my weight loss is slow, Water is good though, manage a couple of litres a day on average.

I just found a recipe on this link for celeriac chips... Is this the way u ladies do it??


mawbroon Mon 14-Jan-13 11:45:01

marking place

QuickLookBusy Mon 14-Jan-13 11:58:00

PrincessSparkles, is this the recipe?


Have been using quite a bit of celeriac this week and the whole family loves it.

Yesterday I made Celeriac Boulangere with roast chicken, cheesy leeks and broccoli. We used the liquid from the Boulangere as a gravy, it was delicious.

Next time I think I'll try a bit of cream mixed in, just before I serve it.

Some lovely losses grin

I'm 7lbs down since starting on 2 January. I had a 5 day head start but I can't remember what I weighed on official start day on the 7th so I'm not sure how much of this loss is last week or the week before. Anyway, I'm pleased!

Hope everyone has a good week ahead xx

Doshusallie Mon 14-Jan-13 12:04:32

marking place

SavoirFaire Mon 14-Jan-13 12:06:12

At work shouldn't be here so just coming on super quick to go on s/sht and post by weight. Also to explain that due to my ineptitude I am going to have to change my starting weight as I realised I converted stones and pounds to just pounds incorrectly blush. Am not cheating I promise!

Anyway, that's a longwinded way of saying that I am 5.5lbs down on the week! Woo hoo. 2.5lbs to go to reach my pre-baby weight, although to be honest I need to lose another half stone beyond that to get to true fighting weight but I haven't been that light since uni so I am not holding my breath!

Will come back and read through/post properly this evening. Well done everyone (am assuming that there are lots of great losses!).

Quick- yes it is smile

slatternlymother Mon 14-Jan-13 12:18:45

Cor! Some bloody lovely dinners going on!

Savoir That's amazing, only 2.5lbs to go until your pre baby weight envy Also, I come on here in work time, and when I post, I try to frown at the same time, as if in intense concentration. If anyone asks what I'm doing, I say "Sorry, but I absolutely must get this email typed out and sent to the boss. It is of the utmost importance".
Try to use the phrase 'utmost importance' a lot. And look faintly concerned at all times.

<looks about shiftily and pretends to work>

Slatternly- haha loving you secretly typing on the thread wink

I relaise I put the wrong weight in last week (incorrect conversion from kg to lb), so initially when I put in today's weight it looked like I had gained!! But when I recalculated correctly it turns out I have lost 1.1lb. Not as much as I would have hoped but going in the right direction.

AuntieMaggie Mon 14-Jan-13 12:36:56

Are the celeriac chips good with a fried egg?

celeriac chips would be excellent with fried egg i reckon

princess, i don't bother to par boil at all, just straight into the roasting pan with olive oil. they really are delicious, slightly different texture to potato chips, a bit chewier, but really lovely

Can I join? Did a low-carbing thread with BIWI about two years ago and lost about 3 stone (was only on the thread for the last stone though - was the one with SuperSal and Custy).

Cannot keep up with these threads at all, they move so quickly - have been doing since last Monday but haven't got around to posting as I've been trying to read it all (except fell off alcohol wagon at weekend - foodie Mother staying for birthday treat and big family supper - a planned fall, but went waaay too far and had the most hideous hangover yesterday - god low-carbing hangovers are spectacularly awful - a good reminder why not to do it!

Have lost about three and a half pounds despite the weekend.

Have about ten pounds to lose - never quite got to goal weight last time and then went to America driving coast to coast and put on half a stone in three weeks because the food was so rubbish.

Took up running last year and did two 10Ks and a half-marathon assuming that would do it but didn't lost a single pound as I was so hungry all the time, and it's impossible to run longer distances without eating some carbs (don't worry though Piste - 10K is fine)(in fact, I seem to remember it was running that stopped BIWI low-carbing on our last thread).

So, I'm going back to low-carbing and light exercise - that works much better for me.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 13:12:12

Welcome, Choos! All manner of things stopped me low carbing in those days - what's kept me focused this time was not only the amount of weight that I piled on, but the reading that I have been doing about it. Understanding that carbs are so deleterious to our health, as well as weight, really helped me to commit properly to it. Hence the two stone loss so far!

captainmummy Mon 14-Jan-13 13:13:57

Celeriac chips - I must be doing something wrong. I;ve tried roasting, i;ve tried frying- they always come out soggy. Taste ok tho.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 14-Jan-13 13:14:07

Just checking in. I have put my weight on the spreadsheet and it says I have lost all my body wieght since last week. I didn't want to fiddle with the formulas so would someone please do it for me. Thanks
So I have lost 5Lb which is great. I feel a lot less bloated than I did this time last week.

Off to peruse the fridge for lunch now.

Hi everyone,when I went to enter my weight this morning realised I'd also cocked up last weeks blush Anyhoo, had a great week, have gone from 9 stone 13 to 9 stone 8, losing half of my Xmas gain in a week!

Could maybe have been a bit more but have been on boot camp ultra light since Friday as I got my BFP! (and know generally ketosis is not recommended in pregnancy)
Can I still lurk about, even if I do scran the odd chickpea here or there?

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 13:20:18

Congratulations! thanks

Of course you can hang around here! Love a bit of baby talk.

BandersnatchCummerbund Mon 14-Jan-13 13:24:42

Ach. First unplanned deviation this morning, in the shape of a biscuit and latte in the middle of a super-stressful morning.

I suppose I'm quite happy that I'm not scarfing down more biscuits now (have escaped for lunch break - Greek salad). Need to stay strong during afternoon break, though - it's not going to be any less tiring. hmm

Ha ha, thanks Slatternly. Am at a press thingy for a client and there's loads of fizz floating about. I have sneaked off for a salad and some more water. The way I see it, it's just a week, and will be more than making up for it as have one 30th, one 40th and two weddings to attend in February! Actually, BIWI, any top tips to keep me on track for a month of occasions??

halfthesize Mon 14-Jan-13 13:36:44

Congratulationd thanks Clare

I cant update spreadsheet today as scales not working, DH out and will grab some batteries so will update tomorrowwink

Some amazing losses here, well done everyone.

slatternlymother I have updated the spreadsheet for yousmile

Two stone! That's fantastic BIWI! Well done thanks and more thanks for starting up the thread!

halfthesize Mon 14-Jan-13 13:52:17

Ilisten it looks like you are down twice on the spreadsheet, one has been updated and is fine the other I would leave for Willie to remove.

Wilding Mon 14-Jan-13 13:54:09

thanks so much for the snack tips, Biwi- had forgotten olives and it's good to know that macadamia nuts are allowed!

going to write up a meal plan for this week now smile

Vagndidit Mon 14-Jan-13 14:00:38

Back again and survived a weekend of temptation. Not weighing at home (will do in a month at dr surgery) but snugly fitting clothes from Christmas are definitely looser. Loving the controlled appetite effects. Will power doesn't seem like a gutting sacrifice when im enjoying fried eggs in butter.grin

Marking place!

3lb off since Thursday! I'll weigh in on a Monday from now on, i started last Tue and didn't weigh until Thu. so I reckon I've lost a bit more than 3 since starting! I'm going to try and ditch caffeine this week and minimal dairy. Can't give up the Greek yogurt!

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 14-Jan-13 14:03:37

BIWI is looking mighty fine too smile

Oh tis now raining. Frrrizzzzzzin and mis and someone on my Facebook is having alphabetti spaghetti on toast for lunch with their 4 year old.






BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 14:05:32

No you don't, Pistey. <stern face>

coldethyl Mon 14-Jan-13 14:05:38

So, olives as a snack... is it wrong to eat them from the jar, with a spoon? grin

GinotPrigio Mon 14-Jan-13 14:06:38

AuntieMaggie I had celeriac chips, ham and eggs for dinner last week. It was incredible!

GinotPrigio Mon 14-Jan-13 14:09:13

Clare8allthepies Congratulations, that's fantastic news!

Iamaslummymummy Mon 14-Jan-13 14:24:17

Checking in. Day 14 for me.

Breakfast blue cheese, pepperEd ham and a couple of cherry tomatoes.
Lunch left over Brussels sprouts with chorizo and Swede fried up together in butter with a fried egg
Dinner jerk chicken, coleslaw and celeriac chips

Great losses on here!

Ruprekt Mon 14-Jan-13 15:06:13

8lb off for me!!!

Am so happy.

Especially as I ate scrambled egg with butter and double cream for breakfast with 2 sausages!

AuntieMaggie Mon 14-Jan-13 15:10:39

Yay egg and chips is my fave meal grin

thenightsky Mon 14-Jan-13 15:22:56

11 pounds melted away since I started!!!! I dare not add to spreadsheet for fear of buggering it up. Can someone do it for me please? smile

halfthesize Mon 14-Jan-13 15:30:21

thenightsky I have updated spreadsheet for you, though you appear to be on it twiceconfused

thenightsky Mon 14-Jan-13 16:09:25

I'm probably on it twice due to my feeble attempt to add myself at the beginning - hence my reluctance to mess with it again blush

halfthesize Mon 14-Jan-13 16:11:07

dont worry sure Willie will sort it. your not the only double entry, but like u I don't want to mess with it incase I do more damageconfused

Hi well done everyone - will catch up properly later but skim reading there are some great losses


Im very much looking forward to eatin all the goodies weve just bought... And ive bought a celeriac! Think ill make some chips tomorrow grin and ive got pork belly and plenty of chicken toos! And i read on the thread before about frozen spinach soooo ive got some of that too!

Dinner tonight will be a chicken stir fry... With chilli garlic and some ginger and a bit of soy sauce!

ANDa litre of water so far... I shall get my second in after dinner! Ive got to go visit my grandad and dont want to be in the bathroom the whole time hahas!

Doshusallie Mon 14-Jan-13 16:26:56

Congrats cathyandclaire to BFP!!!!

Greek yog for brekkie, egg, olive and tuna salad for lunch, pkt of m&s pork crackling for snack, bought at Waterloo, they were very nice!!! No idea what's for tea......

And word of the thread so far award goes to....[drum roll] = BIWI for deleterious......[wild applause] grin

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 16:28:23

Why thank you. I'd like to thank my mother, and my father, and my husband, and my English teacher ... grin

Doshusallie Mon 14-Jan-13 16:29:00

I told my DS that the celeriac I'd bought was actually a brain. Do 't you think they look like brains? Ok just me then...

Doshusallie Mon 14-Jan-13 16:30:16

Brain chips, fondant du brain, mashed brains...

Im having celeriac chips tonight too grin Im gonna dip them in mayo!

Was wondering what to have with them, a fried egg sounds just the thing.

Dosh I was just thinking they do look a bit brainish. Cant think about it too much or it'll be my first and last grin

cathyandclaire Mon 14-Jan-13 16:34:35

Dosh you nearly scared me to death with the BFP congrats!! I must remember to pull in my tummy muscles--and stop having wine and choc at the weekends--! My BFP days are hopefully behind me grin
Think it's Clare8allthepies who's had good news...well done!!!

MrsHoolie Mon 14-Jan-13 16:50:18

I love celeriac chips....and the butternut squash soup from IPD is divine.

Will be trying the braised cabbage this week too.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 16:54:12
Valdeeves Mon 14-Jan-13 16:54:25

Guys what's the best yoghurt to have? What brand? Can't believe some of the losses - amazing! I'm going up see if I can get my scales to work now.
Really struggling to drink the water.

vnmum Mon 14-Jan-13 16:54:40

Congratulation clare8

Stay the same for me. If i remember rightly this happened when i first started low carbing so not too bothered. My body shape has changed though, my waist has appeared again.

I need to make more of an effort to drink enough water though.
Went to the gym this morning for the first time in about 2 months so am going to be stiff tomorrow.

Well done to everyone who has had good losses this week, and to the rest, just keep on keeping on, you will get a whoosh soon.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 16:56:31

Valdeeves - the brand I buy/love is Total - but make sure you buy the full fat one - the 2% fat one is very similar colours, and it's caught me out before! Other people rave about Lidl's yoghurt, but we don't have a Lidl enough, so I haven't tried that one.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 16:56:56

we don't have a Lidl near enough

Valdeeves Mon 14-Jan-13 17:05:59

Ha ha BIWI - it is really strange, I've just found the remainder of mine in the living room - had some little ones round and they must have found it interesting as its with the rest of the toys!

Valdeeves Mon 14-Jan-13 17:06:43

Vnmum - thinking the same about the water.

Valdeeves Mon 14-Jan-13 17:09:35

Thanks for the yoghurt tip BIWI.
What I've found a bit disappointing this week is I feel like I've lost a bit but no ones noticed so I know it's not a mega change.
I think I need to combine with exercise - got to book the crèche in the local gym - no time in the evenings for me as our baby is still young (and she's a premmie) so can take a while to go down after her brother.

Doshusallie Mon 14-Jan-13 17:18:16

Sorry cathy!!! Congrats Claire!!!

Amusing that my iPhone autocorrects cathy to carby.... grin

EwanHoozami Mon 14-Jan-13 17:24:46

clare flowers congratulations!

Haven't read all the posts, am just huffing in to moan about not checking a label before buying <schoolgirl error>

Bloody Lidl white wine vinegar is 18.3g/100g. I thought it tasted sweet. Bah. I thought all White Wine Vinegar was OK - must be white balsamic in disguise [anger]

I am disproportionally cross about this grin

EwanHoozami Mon 14-Jan-13 17:25:31

or even angry

I can't even get an emoticon right

<huffs off>

Lifeisontheup Mon 14-Jan-13 17:32:41

Not going to weigh in until tomorrow or possibly Wednesday as I'm on nights so my nights sleep is about 4 hours and I want to keep the weighing at a consistent time if that makes sense. Will weigh when I've had 10 hours without eating.

Bessie123 Mon 14-Jan-13 17:35:27

Hello all and congrats on the losses. Like lucy I lost nothing for ages but was 3lb down this morning, yay. I promise to try to stop sulking about weight loss now. grin

Lavenderhoney Mon 14-Jan-13 17:36:49

I've just filled in the spreadsheet and realised in my excitement i had wrongly calculated my original weight, which was more than i thought blush

i have lost just over 9llbs! i dont think i look different, and my jeans are still tough to do up and i splodge somewhat over the top (these are my fat jeans and I am not buying any more. I bought them specially in Nov as I couldnt do up my normal jeans and had no clothes to wear) but I think its an overall loss from everywhere. My face is slimmer for sure.

Thank you BIWI for the stick and Willie for the spreadsheet and all you lovely ladies keeping this thread active and supportive. plus all these new things to eat!

This week I am keeping to the bootcamp rules and going to shred everyday plus pilates..

NellVarnish Mon 14-Jan-13 17:38:36

Well done everyone! And thanks to BIWI and Willie for their sterling work! flowers

I've lost 9lbs since 7th Jan so I'm extremely happy with that - clothes feel looser already round my waist, norks still enormous, but hey ho!

Unfortunately I had a bit of Reeces Pieces Cake (I know! Yum) at lunch today as I didn't want to offend and I really, really wanted it, but I don't want anymore. Was happy with that but will not be having anything else of that ilk this week!

Ilisten2theradio Mon 14-Jan-13 18:04:39

I have a real craving for a packet of crisps. What can I eat that is crunchy that might do the trick. I hate celary and other crudities, and I don't like celariac so not the crisps made of those.
Doe anyone have any suggestions?

Yama Mon 14-Jan-13 18:05:48

It was a 2.5lb loss for me. Happy with that.

Today's food:

B - Leftover chicken stuffed with Tahini and wrapped in pancetta.
S - Greek yoghurt
L - Salad with chicken leg.
S - Cucumber with pate
D - Bolognaise with cabbage n' bacon

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 18:08:48

Is it the crunch, or is it the salt?

You could have pork scratchings. Personally I hate the commercial ones, although they have been known to hit the spot when desperate! I have a lovely piece of pork that I'm going to roast tomorrow, so I can make the lovely crackling.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 18:09:18

Teaspoon of crunchy peanut butter? Could wrap it in an iceberg lettuce leaf for extra 'bite'?

TaffyandTeenyTaffy Mon 14-Jan-13 18:12:44

Sorry if this is a really dumb question but does celariac taste anything like celery? I cant stand celery - tis the devils food - and I always associate celariac with it...... but the celariac chips sound good!

Ive had lettuce wraps with egg mayo for breakfast, salad with avacado, egg and blue cheese for lunch and about to have salmon, green beans and garlic mushroom for tea. Followed by my outstanding 2.5l of water ...... hmm

EwanHoozami Mon 14-Jan-13 18:13:03

Ilisten radishes for crunch sometimes does the trick for me, but I see you're not a crudite fan... Maybe roast a packet of kale with some sea salt and groundnut oil? tastes like Chinese takeaway seaweed. Mmmm.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 14-Jan-13 18:15:48

Both the crunch and the salt I think. I am desparate for the crunch mainly at the moment and considering that an apple might be better than a packet of crisps, but still not quite hitting the spot. I think it must be the combination I am seeking. Am home for the evening now though so no chance of getting any pork scratchings tonight.
Also thinking about roasted seeds with a splash of soy sauce. So which is worse if I can't talk myself out of something?

Ilisten2theradio Mon 14-Jan-13 18:16:52

I have a savoy cabbage - but "seaweed" usually has sugar on it. What would it be like without do you reckon?

Ilisten2theradio Mon 14-Jan-13 18:18:01

No crunchy peanut butter in the house. DS allergic!

For crunch, try putting some greaseproof paper on a baking sheet, then adding little piles of grated cheese. Bake at Gas Mk 6 ish until they melt and go golden. Wait until they cool, and they'll be cheese crisps smile

You can do the same in a microwave, but no idea re timings - just keep an eye on it.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 18:19:27

Please don't go for the apple!

Seeds or salted nuts would be better, although they aren't really allowed on Bootcamp.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 14-Jan-13 18:19:38

Ooh. I like the sound of the cheese. I might try that.

Ilisten2theradio Mon 14-Jan-13 18:22:08

No nuts allowed in the house either. Bloody allergies!

prettybird Mon 14-Jan-13 18:24:57

I've just had to make my first aberration from Boot Camp: I had to have a very small teaspoon full bit of the carrot cake that ds (age 12) made at school. He did say he'd not put in enough sugar as he hadn't manage to zero the scales.

I couldn't not have it! grin

Carrotcakeisace Mon 14-Jan-13 18:27:06

8lbs down for me so I'm really pleased still a heifer though plan for this week is to keep up the good work and water drinking

I've just made the yummiest celeriac soup so I'm really looking forward to lunch tomorrow, got to watch dd1 though because she's already swiped a bowl of it! In other news, I bought some of the Boots own brand Beroca and they've had a somewhat interesting effect on the colour of my wee, I almost died of shock when I went yesterday grin

ILoveOnionRings Mon 14-Jan-13 18:31:40

Well done for the weight losses and getting through week one everyone

I've entered onto the spreadsheet and have managed to lose 6lbs - really pleased and quite spured on for this week.

Havn't made many comments but read the thread everyday and the food ideas are what make this possible. Everyones daily menus do inspire to have something different

Thanks everyone - the support here is amazing. thanks

I'm not keen on celery at all, but I'm really enjoying the celeriac! The chips were so awesome! I was eating them when dh came home, I ran to him carrying my bowl of yum shouting "look! Look! CHIPS!" *really must get out more.

Sushi nori is low carb isn't it?? My friend in Japan sends me loads because she knows I love it so I'm wondering whether its time to ask her nicely for some more....

In any case here's something I do quite often (though haven't since we started bootcamp so do tell me if we can't have the oil or whatever, and don't take my word that its low carb!!) Get a pack of the sushi nori sheets. Pre heat oven. Drizzle a teeny bit of sesame oil on a sheet and use the back of a teaspoon to spread it around. Sprinkle with a bit of salt and put directly on a shelf in the oven. I can't remember how long these take to 'roast' but its certainly less than 3 mins, the sheets will change colour but you don't want them black. The timing can be an arse so watch it.

Anyway when you've done as many sheets as you want, u can then chop them up - if I want something like crisps then I cut each sheet into about 8 pieces or so, if I want it with miso soup or something (salads etc) I cut it into shorter ribbons. This is my favourite thing to eat ever.

If it turns out that actually its horrendously bad to eat then I consider myself beaten with biwi's big stick and severely chastised!

happygolucky0 Mon 14-Jan-13 18:35:36

well done to everyone. I havn't managed to lose much, but feeling better for eating this way. I have more energy and feel alert. my skin is looking nice and clear too so I am sticking with it!!

Just realised - if sushi nori is low carb we can wrap allsorts in it! Yay!

God sorry me again - just found a pack in the cupboard! If I'm reading it correctly its 0.8g carbs per 100g. This is the 'Yutaka' type and I bought it in sainsburys

EwanHoozami Mon 14-Jan-13 18:44:06

Guy I haven't got the packet now to check but I found an old packet of nori in the cupboard and yaffled the lot in front of Die Hard 2 grin

[Grin] easily done Ewan, the stuff is bloody lovely. I'd roast some now but then the kids'll come down the stairs, noses sniffing the air and then I won't get a look in!

I'll enjoy it tomorrow when they're at school *evil laugh

ScillyCow Mon 14-Jan-13 18:52:32

GAWD I can't keep up!!!!

Hi all, thanks Biwi for the new thread! Another 1.3kg down this week (nearly 3 pounds) Am stoked!

Doshusallie Mon 14-Jan-13 19:05:43

Which reminds me, ordered some of those noodles BIWI was talking about off've amazon, which haven't showed....

ShebaQueen Mon 14-Jan-13 19:09:24

Evening all. I am 11lbs down, having started on 2nd January woop woop!

Well done to all who have lost and hugs to those who haven't - it will come off in time I'm sure.

Thanks to BIWI for all the effort in keeping us all on the straight and hopefully narrow smile

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 19:18:30

Guy - that sushi nori sounds like a great idea! The only thing I've been able to find with a quick Google says to watch out as apparently some of them contain sugar. Although if your pack says 0.8g, then those must be fine/unsweetened.

Sheba - brilliant! thanks

Dinner was sooo good i added a tspn of smooth peanut butter to the atir fry with the rest (which i posted earlier) so glad theres leftovers for tomorrow grin

Hows everyobe doing with sleep? I seem to be so awake i cant sleep before 2am.. And then im tired (if that makes sense)!

*stir fry (considers drowning iphone in the bath)!

ShebaQueen Mon 14-Jan-13 19:27:21

Thanks BIWI, I've successfully lost weight this way before, but finding this thread has really helped.

slatternlymother Mon 14-Jan-13 19:31:15

Some amazing losses! How exciting to get off to such a great start!

Bit of a headache again tonight hmm drank loads of water, not craving anything. Might be a genuine pressure headache, the weather is being funny here atm.

I'm going to try and stop weighing every day too... Therein lies madness!

Is this what you mean? It sounds delish if so and I'll be down the shops ASAP.

coldethyl Mon 14-Jan-13 19:44:31

Uugh. trying very hard not to fall off this WOE this evening. DS3 being a very trying two year old today, and DS1 has apparently lost the use of his limbs and couldn't possibly move from his chair to find his own games kit for tomorrow.

I could really do with wine and chocolate. Instead I am having a Bovril and that is winding me up even more. Except I have just taken a sip and I am most definitely NOT having a Bovril, it tastes like floor sweepings.

Bah. Off to be bad tempered somewhere else. Sorry sad

Yes MrsHP that's the stuff, just a different brand though so I can't tell you the carb count. Ooh its lovely. I'm having to fight the urge to go an make some now.....

NoelHeadbands Mon 14-Jan-13 19:52:33

Evening everyone and well done on all those brilliant losses. I've updated the spreadsheet- the scales were kinder to me yesterday but I've gone with today's figure anyway.

I've prepped all tomorrow's meals as I start work at six (ish) in the morning and I've a strong suspicion I may be donning the YakTrax and walking! It's getting very cold and icy and we live up a massive hill- I don't fancy trying to get my car out and DH will need the Landy to drop the kids off. So I've fried sausages and hard boiled some eggs. I've made 'letwiches' for my lunch and there's a beef stew for the slow cooker.

Tea tonight was sirloins and creamed leeks and cabbage.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 19:52:47

Don't go, coldethyl! You'll only slope off and do something you shouldn't. Rant at us!

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 20:01:55
barleywood Mon 14-Jan-13 20:10:25

Talk to me about fat.....I'm wobbling confused It goes against everything I used to think.

I've lost a lot of weight on this WOE but still...it's FAT

someone asked about the spreadsheet showing all bodyweight lost since they first started low carbing (applies to those who have done a bootcamp before who have data in the grey cells) - this is because on a weekly basis i have to alter the formula so that it looks at the most recent weigh-in. i do this manually on a monday, so until you weigh in for the week it will be subtracting zero, making it look as though you have lost your original starting weight

hope this helps

Ilovemyteddy Mon 14-Jan-13 20:31:14

Evening all.

Well done to all the losers. There are some amazing loses on here.

BIWI that article is definitely food for thought. As I have said on these threads my cholesterol has been fine throughout this WOE despite my fat and egg consumption (or maybe because of it, if Zoe H is right). But her article does make you wonder whether the scale that they use in measuring cholesterol is actually right. What makes my 4.5 cholesterol fine?

We have all been led up so many wrong paths by the huge corporate food producers and governments trying to make a quick buck. But, certainly in the UK, it's costing us a fortune treating people with health issues resulting from the obesity epidemic which the government have conspired in with their constant messages of low-fat/high-carb diets. Why can nobody see this? Why are doctors still peddling the low-fat myth? Every health programme on TV (Supersize Superskinny et al) are still singing the same old tune. Thank God for Michael Mosley!

I am very close to falling off the wagon this evening! angry I feel like I might cry if I don't have something sweet sad

thenightsky Mon 14-Jan-13 20:32:41

Interesting article re spreads. I think I need to send this to someone I know who is obsessed with eating all them low fat things and running screaming from cream and butter.

Yama Mon 14-Jan-13 20:34:04

Well, tonight is the first night I've had any cravings. I'm not hungry and don't fancy anything in particular but could just go a wee something.

Actually, what I could really go is a nice tasty glass of red wine. I think I'm stressed - busy at work and moving house next week.

Yama Mon 14-Jan-13 20:35:24

Cross post with you there Bullet. I'm gonna have some Greek yoghurt.

I think I may join you. I'll have to resist putting honey in it though! smile

NoelHeadbands Mon 14-Jan-13 20:43:04

Could you whip up some cream? Dull I know, but I've done it at times of extreme desperation and it feels a bit like 'pudding'

sybilfaulty Mon 14-Jan-13 20:43:05

Just adding myself to the thread. Back later for a proper catch up.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 14-Jan-13 20:47:00

Sugar is the real enemy, not fat. Google Robert Lustig. BIWI posted a link to his video about obesity and he firmly believes, and has scientific evidence to back up his beliefs that sugar is evil and the cause of the obesity epidemic. He had a book out called Fat Chance. But it's all about sugar, not fat.

Eating natural fat makes you lose fat. It's a fact borne out by those of us who are low-carbing, whether we have been doing it for a week, or a year, like me. I am one of those fortunate people who's weight-loss has not been stalled by eating copious amounts of cheese. I don't drink though grin

I bought a size 10 top today. Yay! It's a year today since I started this WOE. I'm a shade over 5 stones lighter than I was a year ago. I have done this by eating butter, cheese, eggs, mayo and some fatty meat ( although I have to confess to not liking the fat on meat.). I have done this by not eating anything sugary (apart from dark chocolate!). I've eaten industrial quantities of nuts. But no sugar.

I haven't done a lot of exercise although I have a very physical job which involves a lot of walking, stairs, bending, stretching, lifting and carrying.

Fat is good. Sugar is bad. It's as simple as that really.

Oi you lot, you've got the Monday night blues. DO NOT GIVE IN TO THEM

Keep drinking the water, have something low carb, brush your teeth, have a peppermint tea or go to bed! You can do it, you'll feel better for it tomorrow. You do not need anything sweet, your body is tricking to trick you!

Yama Mon 14-Jan-13 20:48:27

Well, I am now snuggled up in my slanket and awaiting Lewis. The yoghurt did the trick. smile

Yama Mon 14-Jan-13 20:52:01

Oh, and thanks for the pep talk ILove and MrsHP. It really does help and is appreciated.

Yogurt didn't do it for me sad
Will a cuppa with a sweetener in it ruin everything?

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 14-Jan-13 20:56:13


bullet i still have two cups of tea a day with two sweetners in each.

Didn't mess things up last week, lost 3lb.

mawbroon Mon 14-Jan-13 20:56:23

Can somebody give me an idiots guide to the celeriac chips? I tried deep frying some and they were minging and soggy sad

You need to break those sugar cravings
It's mind over matter -DON'T DO IT

Have a cuppa without sugar, or a peppermint tea instead

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 14-Jan-13 20:58:18

Oh and bullet if it's sweet you need Hartleys no sugar added Strawberry Jelly in 0.4g of carbs, just sayin grin

<awaits telling off from BIWI>

barleywood Mon 14-Jan-13 20:59:12

Thanks for the encouragement re fat. Been eating like this for six months and lost around 20lbs.

Tonight feeling a little queasy....perhaps I have overdone the butter and cream.

Not really missing the sugar too much and definitely not as hungry.

shock Hokey

If you understand the science behing low carbing and why sweeteners can stall you, it may help

Whip up some cream
And have a dusting of cocoa powder. Far better for you

Ilovemyteddy Mon 14-Jan-13 21:02:03

Sweeteners won't necessarily stall you but we are trying to break habits here so do try and resist as hard as you can. People keep telling me that I must have a lot of willpower to have lost so much weight. But because LC-ing keeps you full it's easy to stick to. The willpower comes in resisting the craving for sugar.

You can do it!

Ilovemyteddy Mon 14-Jan-13 21:03:02

20lbs is brilliant! thanks

Right. I am going to have a green tea. Thank you for the encouragement, I do want to kick my sugar habit so I'm going to find a bit more willpower!

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 14-Jan-13 21:05:48

Sorry Gless

I have an exceptionally sweet tooth, i always have. I am also a massive carb eater.

This woe is so hard for me, but i see the benefit in my body and how i feel in myself and my weight so i do it and i don't cheat in any other way.

Every so often i just need something sweet and so i have a little pot of Jelly.

I'm so ashamed grin

Oh yes, I'm definitely not hungry,just craving something hot and sweet! Loving the food and not snacking too much, I think it's just the snow that's making me fancy hot, sweet, builders TEA!


God BIWI'll bd getting the stick out!!

I would recommend reading as to why this WOE works
It has been a real lightbulb moment for me.
It explained my blood sugar dips, constantly grazing especially on fruit.
No more- I'm free!!

NellVarnish Mon 14-Jan-13 21:09:42

I was desperate for some sort of pudding last night bullet and I resorted to a spoodful of crunchy peanut butter stirred into some Greek yoghurt if you fancy that? Was v. nice.

Despite losing I feel a bit meh tonight - maybe I've got the Monday night blues too ...

jan2013 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:12:08

i used to drink hot choc every night before bed. you would think with so many people low carbing now they would come up with low carb versions of stuff like that so we have more options when we have a craving for something sweet. now its just a coffee and cream

I am trying not to have caffeine this week as well, just to see if it has any impact on my weight loss. If it does I will definitely have to invest in some decaf tea and coffee!
That sounds a bit wrong tbh Nell! I think the craving has passed now, talking about it helped!

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 14-Jan-13 21:22:17

I know, she'll be along soon and she'll have the caps lock on!!

Might be time for bed wink

NellVarnish Mon 14-Jan-13 21:33:40

Yes they should jan - that was the second time this week I've wanted something sweet, although with the amount of chocolate I normally put away, I'm surprised it wasn't more!

No it was lovely bullet, but no Green & Blacks or Galaxy that's for sure. grin

Doshusallie Mon 14-Jan-13 21:33:49

Tea was two salmon fillets roasted in the oven in foil with salt and pepper and butter, served with leeks and sprouts that I partly cooked in the microwave and then finished off by frying in butter and cream. Utterly divine.

prettybird Mon 14-Jan-13 21:48:05

Interestingly, when dh tried ds' carrot cake, he found it a bit tart, even acidic (probably due to ds not putting in enough sugar), yet I had found it very sweet hmm

Maybe the fact that I haven't had even a sniff of sugar for nearly 8 days meant that I was extra sensitised! grin

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 21:58:38

Do I need to wave my big stick around then?!

If you can get through these two weeks without giving into the sugar/sweet cravings then it will be much better for you - and it does get easier.

There are lots of sugar-free treats you can buy, including the jelly, but they are generally full of all manner of artificial ingredients WHICH WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EATING!!! grin

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 14-Jan-13 22:02:55

I knew you'd bring out the caps grin


I promise to never mention jelly again!

prettybird Mon 14-Jan-13 22:03:06

Miss, miss, please miss......I didn't give in to a sugar craving, I placated my 12 year old ds who had made lovely carrot cake at school and who wanted me to try it. I only had a tiny teaspoon!

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 22:08:16

You were lucky I didn't employ caps and bold ...

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 22:08:55

<pins 'well done' badge on prettybird>

NoveltySlippers Mon 14-Jan-13 22:10:55

Hi all

As someone who buckled massively at the weekend and gave in to my insane sugar cravings, maybe I can, ahem, help.

Obviously, I've been sitting in the penance corner all day and been wondering how it is that I fell off the wagon so spectacularly. (For those who missed my post, the words caramel cheesecake; Cadbury's creme egg; Green and Blacks; Burger King; Doritos, and YES - in an almost devil may care way - KRISPY KREME all featured at some point in my weekend.

(Okay - I was very sad at the weekend too, but still....)

So I thought - today I have to read something to make me understand it. I remember BIWI posting about Robert Lustig, and I found this: Sugar - a sweet addiction

Apologies if you've seen it already. But it's really helped me today. It takes away so much power from those cravings. Hope it helps those struggling today.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 22:13:36

How are you feeling today, Novelty?

Firsttimepig Mon 14-Jan-13 22:14:00

Just back from a 45 min spinning class was hard work but felt good for going. I am hoping three of these a week will get those numbers up.
For all the jelly talk I am following ipd so neris and India do allow sf jelly and nuts in week 3 which I am in now. After the spinning jelly is a nice reward !

NoveltySlippers Mon 14-Jan-13 22:17:54

Much better today, thanks BIWI. thanks

Had a slightly difficult meeting at work, where someone's going on maternity leave and the boss remarked on 'what a fertile group we must be'. I may have almost shed a tear... But it was residual sadness from the weekend.

Am feeling stronger today, and much happier that I'm not stuffing my face. (Which is a million times better for the fertility I'm trying to preserve too!)

I think i need a pep talk.... Still stewing over the 1lb loss hmmits a pain!

Novelty- glad your feeling better today smile

AuntieMaggie Mon 14-Jan-13 22:25:49

OMG all this talk of forbidden food <faints>

I haven't got a particularly sweet tooth, but this woe really makes a lot of things too sweet for me especially unnatural sweetness. I usually have a teaspoon of sweetener in my one cup of tea per day and I've continued to have sweetener in my tea but over the past week it has reduced to the tiniest amount as anything more is far too sweet. (sorry BIWI)

I haven't been hungry all day but after zumba tonight I am starving!

NoveltySlippers Mon 14-Jan-13 22:28:20

Thanks Princess smile

JessicaWakefield Mon 14-Jan-13 22:29:22

Novelty it was just a minor aberration. And very well done for getting back on the wagon and for looking into why it happened. Robert Lustig is great isn't he? Thanks for the link and thanks for you after what sounds like a difficult weekend.

prettybird Mon 14-Jan-13 22:30:48

Finally worked out what ipd means blush and what's more I have the book and used it successfully a few years ago blush. I even adapted a recipe from the book last week! blush

JessicaWakefield Mon 14-Jan-13 22:30:57

Congratulations Clare8 brilliant news!

Teddy your pictures are just amazing! You're such an inspiration to us!

NoveltySlippers Mon 14-Jan-13 22:32:05

Thank you Jessica smile

NoveltySlippers Mon 14-Jan-13 22:34:28

Yes, congrats Clare8 too!

(Just had to read up thread....this thread is sooo fast)

EwanHoozami Mon 14-Jan-13 22:35:28

Prettybird it's interesting how your taste buds change isn't it. I thoughtlessly had a swig of regular whole milk (straight out of the carton, pure class) and it tasted incredibly sweet.

SavoirFaire Mon 14-Jan-13 22:36:09

mawbroon I used this for celeriac chips and it worked perfectly. I cut them quite chunky.

I posted quickly early about loss - 5.5 lbs. DH has also lost 5 or 6lbs (he isn't sure but is very happy as his jeans are no longer tight. Annoyingly, my jeans don't really feel any looser. Or may I have forgotten quite how tight they were.

Slatternly your post about posting at work made me laugh. Unfortunately my computer screen faces the entire office which is a bit of a bummer.

Today I have eaten:
B: 2 eggs, butter
L: ham, avocado, cucumber and goats cheese, and a babybel blush
S: cucumber and goats cheese
D: casserole and celeriac chips which was utterly utterly scrummy. Best meal yet by a mile. Will be doing again, lots!

I did give in to a craving this evening as was p'd off about having to do a bunch of work this evening. 3 or maybe 4 teaspoons of sugar free peanut butter. I am very sorry BIWI. It's better than 3 pieces of toast with peanut butter on, which is what I'd probably have had this time two weeks ago.

Great losses losers. The shared experience is making this all possible. Thanks!

SavoirFaire Mon 14-Jan-13 22:37:16

And congratulations clare8!!

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 14-Jan-13 22:38:08

Just noticed that my spreadsheet entry has been amended, thank you very much. Am so happy when I see the figures written down as I know it's worth any little inconvenience.

Have been reading up on Michael Moseley and am quite interested in trying the 5:2 intermittent fasting thing. Just wondering if anyone else does this with low carbing and how it works if anyone has any advice to offer. I thought I could maybe have two cheese free days a week as I eat so much and if that would help.

BigStickBIWI Mon 14-Jan-13 22:38:54

I don't think that's too bad, Savoir! You could have done a lot worse than that.

OTTMummA Mon 14-Jan-13 22:51:16

Today I ate some chocolate, half a terry's chocolate orange.
I won't dwell on it, i know why i did it.

Starting fresh again tomorrow.

Dinner was steak, blue cheese sauce, cauliflour and brocolli, garlic mushrooms.

Ruprekt Mon 14-Jan-13 22:51:29

B - cup of tea and FF Greek yoghurt

S - 2 x eggs with butter and cream, scrambled. 2 sausages

L - Smoked salmon pate. Crunchy celery.

D - Waitrose Chicken with cream and ham. Roasted swede and celeriac. Creamed spinach.

Water and peppermint tea.

MrsHoolie Mon 14-Jan-13 22:58:38

B- eggs mayo and ham

L- avocado salad with halloumi cheese

D- bolognaise over courgette 'spaghetti'

I have got used to drinking at least 2l of water.
Oh and I did have a decaff coffee with some semi skimmed blush

For anyone wanting a comforting hot drink yogi tea choco is worth a try - it smells heavenly though does taste like dishwater like most herbal teas but has a faint sweetish aftertaste which I think comes from liquorice (not overpowering at all). I've bought it in sainsbury's and it's not cheap but I have some maybe once a week and it's a nice warming before bed sort of drink

I didn't discover this tea btw - another low carber did ages ago jut can't remember who it was sorry!

Valdeeves Tue 15-Jan-13 00:14:14

I weighed myself and it says I am 7 and a half stone. As I was ten and a half a week ago I think the scales are broken!! I think I've lost at least four pounds just by my tummy.
I really hope I lose more next week as I really want to she'd the frumpy body and buy clothes which are trendy rather than hide the lumps and bumps!

Valdeeves Tue 15-Jan-13 00:15:26

OTTMumma - I ate three chocolate oranges at Xmas within two days - they are hard to resist. See you back on the wagon tomorrow xxxx

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 00:19:38

hi can't sleepangry novelty glad to hear you had a better day.
princess 1lb is fine it's all in the righ directionwink

ToomuchWaternotWine Tue 15-Jan-13 00:21:58

Well done everyone on your great losses, and into week 2 we go!

2 and a bit lbs off for me, so takes me back under the 11 stone mark at 153 (I'm 5'8"). I lost 20lbs on the last bootcamp, put on 5/6 over Xmas/ny so that's half of that gone in the first week back. I think my ideal weight is about 145-7 so half a stone or so to go.

weighin advice thought worth a reminder, as I had to remember this:

always weigh:
On the same scales, pref on a hard floor not carpet.
First thing in the morning
After pee/poo but before you eat or drink anything

This will give you the most accurate "true" weight

(If you are like me, this will also include removal of all possible body hair, cutting of nails and refusal to put on moisturiser or deodorant wink )

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 00:28:43

wine I actually just spat my coffee out laughing at you cutting nails and removing hairgrin
well done on all the losseswink

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 00:36:26

Thanks half

I can't sleep either! smile

BlackAffronted Tue 15-Jan-13 06:59:27

Morning campers!

Was so tired after Zumba last night, I had a shower & went straight to bed! )to read my kindle I may add, I didnt go to sleep at 8pm lol). If i am knackered after 1 hour of Zumba, how am I going to be after 8 hours? shock

Menu yesterday was -

b - 3 fried eggs in coconut oil
l - chicken & broccoli bake
d - salmon, salad & mayo
s - ham slices, 1 square dark choc

NoelHeadbands Tue 15-Jan-13 06:59:53

Morning all

Already scoffed two sausages this morning with a portion of butter. I'm bloody freezing though, and would love a hot drink. I'm avoiding black coffee because I'm currently having my teeth whitened and I can't drink tea unless it's got milk and sugar. Wah!

NoelHeadbands Tue 15-Jan-13 07:04:30

I can easily go to sleep at 8pm, especially after exercise. Every 2-3 weeks I tend to have a really early night to catch up blush

8 hours of zumba and I'd probably need to book a couple if days off work!

Xenia Tue 15-Jan-13 07:27:52

Just following this. Well done to everyone.

skandi1 Tue 15-Jan-13 07:53:19

Marking place on new thread.
I will add my weight to spread sheet today once I get to the compute.

Not has much time to post as DS decided to get 4 shiny new molars over the weekend <shattered>

All going well so far. Only craving I have had is for choc. May owe more to sleep deprivation though.

I think my slower loss than the average is because I have still not made it to the gym.

Well done everyone. You are all doing amazingly well!!


Well I went to bed around 8.30 last night, read for an hour then slept right through. Don't usually go to bed so early but I was so tired - had a headache all day yesterday that just wouldn't go, an I started to get the weird 'flashing lights' a bit which usually comes before a migraine so no wonder I ended up so tired really. Feel much better today, will drink even more water!

Haven't eaten yet, I got up at 7 and its too early for me. Have had a coffee though. Not sure what I'll be eating today, but celeriac chips WILL be involved! grin

Hope you all have a good day today, it sucks when your body is hassling for sugar, I can't quite believe how strong those cravings feel. I was so desperate for some kind of pastry the other day I couldve cried! And I'm someone who would very rarely buy anything like that - certainly wouldn't have anything like that in my cupboard, or shop cakes etc but my god I wanted them sooo badly, even though I knew if I ate them I'd feel terrible afterwards. On a strong day I walk around the co op or sains to get my bits, and smugly saunter past the cakes grin The sugary twats

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 08:02:06

Morning all!

There is a lot of rumbling going on about wanting sweet things, and a lot of you giving into the cravings. Can I remind you that we are only just in week 2?! The whole point of the strict, initial phase of Bootcamp is to break the addiction to carbs generally, but sugar in particular. If you give into the cravings, you have undone all the good work that you've done so far. Some of you have lost fabulous amounts of weight but are still cheating. You really need to ask yourselves why you are self-sabotaging yourselves.

The reality is, that if you have cheated, then you need to do another week of Bootcamp before you can move on to Bootcamp Light. Otherwise you will allow sugar to retain its hold over you

There are very few things that we can eat or drink that are naturally sweet without some kind of carb cost. Trouble is, the ready availability of carb-heavy/sugar-laden foods has created a sweet tooth in most of us. If we're restricting the carbs, the only way we can get this sweet fix is through either cheating (not recommended, obviously) or via the plethora of 'sugar-free', low carb products. These aren't recommended either, as they are full of artificial ingredients. (I refer you to rule 10 of Bootcamp!) Not only are we trying to avoid artificial sweeteners because we are aiming to eat natural, unprocessed foods, there is an increasing suggestion that they impede weight loss or even cause weight gain.

So next time you consider eating/drinking something sweet - please, please, please ask yourself why you are doing it. All manner of excuses can be used to justify it, but just remember what you are doing to yourself. Is it really worth it?

Ultimately, it's entirely up to you. If you cheat, you won't lose weight. Worse, you will put back on what you have worked so hard to lose. And you'll have to do another week of Bootcamp.

prettybird Tue 15-Jan-13 08:02:42

toomuchwaternotwine - I do the same! blush Plus an extra sit on the loo to make sure I've wee-ed everything possible out! blush

BlackAffronted Tue 15-Jan-13 08:04:13

Thanks to whoever mentioned nori - I have a few packs in my larder! I think I will make the crisps, and also try making tune mayo wraps. Yum.

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 08:06:09

brew good morning all, finally got to sleep about 2am....

Noel how about hot water?

I have weighed in with a 2lb loss, not greatsad especially as hardly eaten in a week due to being ill, but not been to the gym and on a lot of tablets, perhaps this is why the slow startconfused
oh well a loss is a loss.

BlackAffronted Tue 15-Jan-13 08:07:15

Is 1 square of dark choc classed as cheating? <hides>

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 08:11:40


halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 08:13:12

what a great post BIWI and so true, since starting this woe back in April, my need for sugar has completely gone, but I did have to stick to the rulessmile
now anything sweet just tastes funny and certainly not worth it.
this woe is a lifestyle change, not just a quick fix, so you really need to embrace itwink it really is worth it.

skandi1 Tue 15-Jan-13 08:31:56

Despite being well over the stage of craving carb (don't even fancy any or miss anything other than choc), I still don't feel great.

Most of you fellow boot campers are reporting feeling full of energy etc. I feel tired beyond belief and foggy of head which is why I can't find the energy to get to the gym.

I have read about candida die off. I wonder if its that?

If so, then how can I help myself feel better or at least get over the die off sooner?

And I don't look great like you are all reporting. I look effing terrible.

Any experiences?

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 08:36:44

skandi do you think it could be a bog? there is a lot going round at the moment. are you drinking enough water and making sure your potassium levels are ok? hope you start to feel better soon x

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 08:37:16

stupid phone, obviously meant bugwink

skandi1 Tue 15-Jan-13 08:52:15

Halfthesize. Pretty sure it's not a bug. The DC have not had anything and DH hasn't either.

I am taking supplements and getting plenty of salty food to counteract the water I am drinking. And I get thru between 3 and 4l a day.

Strange thing is most of you are reporting to be cold. I am hot. I am sweating and feel clammy. I have checked my temp is completely normal.

Perhaps it is the candida die off? Yikes. I read it can be unpleasant and last for weeks. <weeps>

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 08:53:07

skand1 - sorry to hear you're still not feeling great. I would echo half's post - are you keeping your sodium/potassium/magnesium levels up?

Are you a candida sufferer? It could be that, I suppose.

List out for me what you have been eating over the last 3 or 4 days.

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 09:07:44

skandi I Had never actually heard Candida, just looked it up. looks like it covers a lot of symptoms hmm hope you feel better soon.

skandi1 Tue 15-Jan-13 09:09:20


B- omelette cooked in coconut oil
L-leftover roast chicken with lettuce cucumber and avocado (just 1 avocado this time!) w mayo
D:salmon with broccoli in garlic butter
S- M&S pork crackling

B- lie in so missed it.
L: eggs x3 fried in butter with spinach and smoked salmon
D:confit duck leg (x1) with celeriac chips
S: yog and pork crackling

B-tiny bit of yog with vanilla powder
L:salad of lettuce cucumber and avocado (1/2 avocado) and crab w mayo
D:grilled halloumi cheese with salad and spinach and olives.
S: pork crackling

I am drinking 3 coffees with cream a day. 3 to 4l of water and herb tea such as chamomile, green tea and peppermint.

I have not had a single cheat of any kind.

I wasn't aware that I may have candida but I suffer from rosacea and I have just discovered online that the two are linked. High sugar/carb diet can lead to intestinal candida overgrowth which can show on face as rosacea. Charming. Whether this is what is ailing me, I guess only time will tell as the rosacea should improve if I stick to the diet and kill off the overgrowth.

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 09:15:28

Your meals look good, but how much fat are you eating? I can see a bit in your diet, but you may need to eat a bit more. When you are eating salad at lunchtime, are you putting an oily dressing on the leaves? It could be that you're not eating enough as well.

If it is candida - which it could be, if you are a rosacea sufferer - then I suppose die-off is a strong possibility, in which case, it's about 'keeping on keeping on'.

Be kind to yourself - don't push it if you're doing any exercise - and hopefully by this time next week you will be feeling a lot better.

skandi1 Tue 15-Jan-13 09:18:00

Thanks BIWI. I generally use olive oil on salads.

To up fat intake I have started putting a teaspoon full of coconut oil in my herbal teas. It sounds gross but its absolutely lovely and I can recommend it. It gives it the fuller taste and a satisfying aaahhhh when you drink it.

Morning all, just checking it with my slight NC to reflect my onwards and downwards attitude smile Win of the day was my coat which I ordered a size down from what I normally take (because I am an idiot and WANTED it like a child despite it being limited stock) actually fits! SIZE 12!!

Morning mummies

B- was scrambled eggs... I actually couldnt eat it all!
L- leftovers from last nights stir fry
D- is undecided!

Im gona have my work cut out for me this next week as DS2 whos 18 months has got a chicken pok on him ahhhh! I thought hed got away with it but obviously not...its going to be hell and another week confined to the house, i duno how im going to get DS1 to school if DS2 cant go out!

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 09:28:08

Oh goodness, sorry to hear that, Princess

I just want to second what BIWI said about sugar and sweet stuff. The more you give into temptation, the more you'll crave sweet things. It's like trying to give up smoking, but having one or two cigs a day - it just prolongs the agony.

I gave up all sweeteners in my second week low carbing - I went from having sweeteners in white coffee to drinking plain black unsweetened, dropped all 'pretend' low carb food (eg Atkins bars, low carb cheesecake, Splenda in my cream etc.) and just white-knuckled it through. Three weeks later, I accidentally put a sweetener in my morning coffee (due to not actually being awake) and it tasted AWFUL - which was a revelation.

Honestly, if you can just resist anything sweet for two weeks, you'll lose you cravings for sweetness. I never would have believed it until I did it myself. Please give it a go - it makes this way of eating so much easier, and your chance of long term success that much higher. You're not depriving yourself, you're doing yourself a huge favour.

Im thinkin today will be ok and tomorrow night/ tonight will be the worst with fever if hes anything like DS1 was. So im feeeding him up now before he doesnt wana eat!

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 09:36:49

Oh Princess sorry to hear DS2 has now come down with them, bet you are climbing the wallshmm Fingers crossed he gets a mild case x

Morning all

Just here to record the rest of my food from yesterday smile

L: 3 low carb sausages, celery & full fat philly
D: Celeriac soup
Snacks: a bit of brie, sugar free lemon & lime jelly

I managed 6 pints of water too!

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 10:03:25

HavinganOffDay - ^ ^ ^ see previous posts for wagging finger about sugar-free jelly!

Jacaqueen Tue 15-Jan-13 10:10:53

I see you lot are still chatting away.

I cannot keep up!

Real life is getting in the way at the moment.

DorisIsWaiting Tue 15-Jan-13 10:23:18

Hi BIWI and you fantasic lot.

Please can I join, I have been lurking since last week when I started looking for ideas (I didn't join in as I didn't know how well I'd be able to manage without carbs- a HUGE part of my old diet). I started at 13st 12 3/4 last wednesday and already weight is coming off (about 6lbs yesterday!). For the first few days I really did feel like poo (I was giving up my can of coke a day habit at the same time!). Still getting headaches in the last 24-48 hrs.

However I am feeling better and my skin feels healthier, I need to do more exercise but 2 of dd's are home today. I've also got the Rose Elliot veggie low carb book for ideas (need to find the time to read it!)

Due to weigh in tomorrow so please can I be added to the spreadsheet.

PostBellumBugsy Tue 15-Jan-13 10:24:12

Just to add to BIWI's message about not giving in to the sweet cravings in the first two weeks - LISTEN TO HER WARNINGS, because it is really important.

In the first two weeks, you are trying to get your body to change gear - out of its old ways of depending on a constant supply of carbs & sugar for energy, into using up your own blubber to get its energy source. This requires your body to stop pumping out insulin to store all those carbs & start using ketones, which is what the body uses for fuel, when there isn't sugar flowing through your veins.

This can be a bit of a shock to the system, specially if like most of us, you have been chowing through carby foods for most of your life. Everytime you think about food, your body reacts by pumping out a whole load of insulin, the sweeter the food you are thinking about, the more insulin is produced. So, stop thinking about cheats & treats & stop eating them.

This is your chance to find your inner sylph - so give it your best shot & don't cheat!!!!!!

Doshusallie Tue 15-Jan-13 10:37:58

[wonder if I can kick my sweeteners in my tea and coffee]

Sitting here in my gym stuff but don't actually think i am going to have time to go to the gym after all! Does wearing the clothes count?

Greek yog for brekkie. Going to have eggs and bacon and mushrooms for lunch - drool.

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 10:45:42

grin at 'does wearing the clothes count' doshu

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 10:48:28

Quick question - what are people's thoughts on slow cookers?

Now my diet is getting more meat and veg (as opposed to pasta, pasta, pasta), am thinking a slow cooker could really come into its own with this WOE (obviously minus the pots and carrots). But you hear so many people complaining about them / saying they just sit in the cupboard.

Any devotees?

Is frying shallots at 7am a mug's game / does that way madness lie? I just love the idea of coming home to some tender meat falling off the bone on these cold wintry nights.

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 10:53:03

Princess sorry to hear about DS2 sad

GinotPrigio Tue 15-Jan-13 10:54:07

NoveltySlippers I'm a massive slow cooker fan. It works really well with cheap cuts of meat too so its perfect for low-carbing on a budget. I use mine at least twice a week, or did until I broke the ceramic bowl. Doh! Must look for a replacement.

I'm a stay at home/work from home mum so I usually don't fry the shallots and meat till late morning or lunch time. But I have heard of people doing the frying the night before, putting it in the fridge and then chucking everything into the slow cooker in the morning.

I love using the slow cooker for low carb stuff - my recipes are probably for the stage AFTER the first two weeks, but I cook things like Paprika Chicken (with sour cream), Steak and Kidney (like a pie filling, but with no pie!), Coq au Vin, Chicken Chasseur, Irish Stew and Chilli. I d quite a bit of pre-cooking on the stove before adding to the slow cooker, 'cos I like to brown my meat for flavour, and also burn off the alcohol in any wine I'm using.

I do the same FDM re preparation - I have a ''sear and stew'' thing so I can use the slow cooker pan on the hob

I love love my slow cooker for low carbing - shin beef is fabulous in it

coldethyl Tue 15-Jan-13 11:10:06

Princess, sorry to hear about the chicken pox in DC2. My DF is immuno-suppressed, so we looked very closely into transference of chicken pox when DS3 had it last September - you need 15 minutes of continuous exposure to the infection (like holding the child) to catch it, so if you put DC2 in the buggy with the rain cover on and time it so you drop-and-run or pick-up-and-run at school, you should be ok.

Last night's tantrum turns out to be PMT, and in the end I made a decaff coffee and washed the kitchen floor as a displacement activity, then went to bed (is this WOE meant to make one's house cleaner?).

Staying on the wagon this time as I had dropped another 1lb this morning (although that might be TOTM)!

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 11:17:31

grin at making the house cleaner, and wearing gym clothes!

My trainer cancelled my session this morning, which I'm quite glad about, as my arms are so stiff from my Sunday session. Could barely reach around my back to do up my bra this morning. I think another rest day is probably a good idea.

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 11:18:47

Pinot, FDM and Willie - that sounds really tempting!

Do you have any recommendations for the brand/type of slow cooker to go for?

slatternlymother Tue 15-Jan-13 11:20:38

furrydogmother mmm those all sound lovely; are they on the recipe thread? I'd love to pick your brains. As long as they're low carb <snurk>. And I've never tried beef shin, either <shallow life>.

Ginot That's a really good idea, doing it the night before. Actually never thought of that <dense>

Managed to stay away from the scales this morning, as it's becoming as addictive as sugar! I'm going to try and last until Friday, because I know I'll lose less this week.

Going for a run this lunchtime with my friend, and I'm looking forward to that in a weird kind of way.

B: FF Natural yoghurt
L: Tuna salad with a few dollops of mayonnaise
D: Fish pie topped with swede mash and some creamed leeks swished in, cabbage for me, peas for DH (he's not LC-ing, just staying away from proccessed stuff)

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 11:22:56

I love my slow cooker, although I don't use it as much as I could/should. Although to be honest, that's because I mostly work from home, so can do stuff earlier in the day and shove it in the oven too cook. That said, we have a smart meter now, and I was shock to see it change colour when I put the oven on! I need to get into the slow cooker habit a bit more, I think.

But, I also have a pressure cooker, which is fab for cooking things like shin of beef. Takes 10 minutes at high pressure and that's all!

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 11:25:08

slatternly - yes, I totally know what you mean about weaning yourself off the scales. Is is a bit addictive, and totally unnecessary!

BIWI yes, sounds like you need a rest! Well done for all the hard work though.

Am quite excited about slow cooking now. Looking at recipe books - if anyone has experience of these, or other recommendations, do let me know!:




NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 11:33:48

Hmm, just browsing brands (yes - whilst at work. Sorry boss! brew)

The sear and stew ones look very handy. How important / necessary is it to have a timer though, do you think? Found a nice Morphy Richards one, but no timer.

I have I think morphy Richards sear and stew and I'm happy with it - didn't really look at any others though!

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 11:36:23

novelty I am also big fan of slow cookers, I use mine loadssmile

Oooh blush

I thought sugar free jelly was OK...I'm sure I read about it as snack on a previous (summer time I think) thread.

Oh well - that's that 'treat' out of the window!

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 11:58:38

half and willie - my mind is made up! Shall report back on slow cooked loveliness... (Though have to wait two more weeks for payday first angry)

lapetitedame Tue 15-Jan-13 12:54:10

Well done all losers....only 1lb loss here but am slow loser and TOM last week so any loss is good. These threads are great but hard to keep up with and by the time I'm finished reading I can't find all those interesting links/articles that people post. BIWI you are such a fountain of knowledge on low carbing - would it be possible I wonder to have a thread (like the question and recipe threads) where links to all the articles supporting this WOE could be posted - feel cheeky asking as you do so much already - but also feel it would benefit us newbies/converts - its such a mind change from low fat eating some of us may need to keep convincing ourselves that its okay -

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 12:58:30

isn't funny years ago I used to get excited about New clothes, make up etc. these days it's more about stuff for the house ie. slow cookers, Hoover's etcgrin what happenedconfused

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 13:00:39

novelty mine is a,delonghi, only cost about £15 on offer from amazon a few years backsmile

GinotPrigio Tue 15-Jan-13 13:04:15

Novelty I have a morphy richards. Or at least did until I smashed the dish! It doesn't have a timer but if I am out for several hours I just put it on "low" and its fine.

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 13:23:41

Definitely half!

I can even get excited about Tupperware, when the mood takes! <yes, I have turned into my mother>

queribus Tue 15-Jan-13 13:24:30

Gadzooks! I'm cold. Must have a cup of tea.

B mushrooms in butter
L two egg omlette with ham and cheese, one cold sausage
D ? poss celeriac mash and ham hock

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 13:27:44

HavinganOffDay - read Bootcamp rules! Rule no 10 is about avoiding artificial sweeteners, which is what sugar-free jelly is full off. We are aiming to eat natural, unprocessed foods as much as possible. (And there is some evidence/suggestion that artificial sweeteners contribute to weight gain)

Also, and perhaps more importantly, the whole point of cutting out sweet stuff is to break our addiction to sugar/sweet things.

After Bootcamp, the first two weeks, is over, and you have 'recalibrated' your taste buds, you can, if you wish occasionally add back in sugar-free products, but only occasionally - you may find that you simply don't need them by then.

Turkeytwangers Tue 15-Jan-13 13:28:02

Just half a lb off for me this weekend...I think I need to wean myself off the daily weighing as well. It's a bit uneccesary and intimately disheartening!

Today so far,

B - 2 boiled eggs, dollop of Greek yoghurt
L - Tuna mayo salad with avocado and feta
T - Undecided

What's the general consensus on Quorn mince and tinned tomatoes?

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 13:28:19

NB. Just eating cold sausages (97% meat - I checked!) and some mayonnaise for lunch.

If anyone wants mayonnaise top tips, this one's LOVELY.

I couldn't get the Delouis one, but I did find Sussex Valley Classic Mayonnaise - only 0.3g carbs. It's really, really nice!

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 13:30:25

'full of', obviously blush

TheEarlyBird Tue 15-Jan-13 13:46:10

BigStick - can I just confirm something please? Should I make sure that every meal has some veg (for carbs) and some fat in it. Does eating fat (butter/cream) actually speed up the weight loss. I do wonder if my modest loss may be because I often have protein only meals eg scrambled eggs, cheese and/or meat. Am still drinking quite a lot of tea/coffee but it's all black. And I'm getting my 3 litres of water down me too <wonders why I live in the loo>

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Tue 15-Jan-13 13:59:59

Today my friend wanted a Mc Donalds breakfast.

I went and had a bacon and egg mc muffin, i ate the egg and bacon and through the muffin away.

How about that for will power?!
<polishes halo>

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 14:04:20

It may not be possible (or you may not want) veg/salad at every meal - e.g. breakfast - but yes, you certainly should be eating fat with every meal. It's not about speeding up weight loss, it's about getting the right proportion of nutrients. We should be eating fat:protein:carbs.

Obviously with eggs and cheese you are getting fat as well, but with eggs there is more protein than fat. With meat, you are getting some fat, but this obviously depends on the cut of meat - chances are you're actually eating more protein.

Fat does not provoke an insulin release, whereas protein does (albeit a lot less than carbohydrate).

You should certain not be eating meals that are just fat or just protein. Aim to combine the three nutrients for best effect and health.

If your weight loss is slow, you might also be wise considering reducing the amount of tea/coffee you're drinking. Some believe that caffeine also spikes your insulin.

ToomuchWaternotWine Tue 15-Jan-13 14:05:09

lapetitedame if you look on the spreadsheet you will see a tab called, I think, resources. Some of the best books, articles and videos are linked there to help you with further reading on the subject of low carbing. Dr Briffas book is a good starting point.

TheEarlyBird Tue 15-Jan-13 14:07:48

Sorry - stupid question alert! The three nutrients you mention are.........??? Doh. And, yes, I'll try and limit my hot drink intake. Thanks.

ToomuchWaternotWine Tue 15-Jan-13 14:08:27

And while I'm here:

B scrambled eggs made with butter and double cream. Yum. My go-to breakfast now. Never thought I would wake up and crave water and eggs, but I do!
L tuna mayo in little gem lettuce wraps with pancetta scattered on top.
D will be chicken stir fry, using water chestnuts and bean sprouts in place of noodles for me.

Right, am off to briskly walk the dog through the snow before pick up time or maybe just browse MN with a decaf coffee for half an hour it's bloody freezing out there

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 14:10:12

<pins 'well done' badge on Hokey>

lapetitedame Tue 15-Jan-13 14:25:13

Many thanks Toomuch will go and have a good read this evening. thanks

catinboots Tue 15-Jan-13 14:29:11


Can I join this party late?

I started yesterday as last week was a weird week with lots of stuff going on.

I need someone to add me to the spreadsheet as I'm on my ipad.

I started at 11st 9lb blush

I've also downloaded a carb counter app which is good. I'm struggling to drink the water though as it's sooooo cold

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 14:36:22

lapetitedame (a good name for these threads!)

Good idea, actually. I know some of the links are on the spreadsheet, but not all of them. I suppose what I should really do is go back through the threads and 'harvest' them all!

Start with the ones that are on the spreadsheet, and I'll see what I can do.

Welcome, catinboots. And try drinking the water hot, if that's easier.

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 14:37:07

... and you're on the spreadsheet now

Yakshemash Tue 15-Jan-13 14:50:05

Help me everyone - I'm a low carb lurker (I'm doing Bootcamp but am not on the SOF).

Doing well, have lost 4 lbs and enjoying the food (apart from missing fruit badly).

BUT tonight am going to the cinema for a three hour feature. And I always have a big bag of Minstrels when I go to the cinema.

I feel like I'm DOOMED to eat chocolate tonight and just can't imagine sitting there for three hours without my hand rhythmically dipping into a bag of chocs.

Aaargh! I need some self-discipline. Tell me how much better I'll feel tomorrow if I resist....

prettybird Tue 15-Jan-13 14:54:47

You will feel better!

Why not, if you have time, make some celeriac chips so that you have something to occupy your hands?

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 14:57:33

yakshe try taking bottled water, with either pork scratching, celery, cheese chunks or a mixturewink

I took Hogbites to the cinema at the weekend... And a bottle of fizzy water, as it fills me up and feels a little bit more like a treat [tragic emoticon] Or how about a little pot of nice olives?

prettybird Tue 15-Jan-13 14:58:14

catinboots - why not get some rooibos (red bush tea) if you are wanting a hot drink. It's actually quite nice without milk. Alternatively there are some quite nice herbal teas: I like the ones with ginger in them for a nice warming effect.

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 15-Jan-13 14:58:52

Afternoon all smile

<waves little knitted woolly hats at cat>

All is well here, just about to find lunch things, have realised it has got a bit late

Yakshemash Tue 15-Jan-13 15:14:06

Thanks everyone - it's like having a little magic support team! grin

Pork scratchings are a GREAT idea. I'm going straight from work, so won't be able to source meat/cheese/veg etc easily but I'm sure the bar at the cinema has porky things. I'm fine drinking fizzy water, but it's just the nibbles...

You're right. I'm focussing on how mega I'm going to feel tomorrow morning when I wake up still in ketosis and still all lovely and slender less fat than I was last week

Helloo helloooo i have a bit of a cheerier post for u this time....

Whilst shopping for my grandads bday prezzie i got sidetracked by some jeans in saisburys! I got a size smaller than i normally would and bought them home to try on AND they fit! There a teensy bit close but i dont care grin so after last nights feeling sorry for myself im happier nowsmile i guess even tho my weights very slowllllyyyy going my frame is shrinking! Since i low carbed before my other jeggings were really loose and my jeans fitted when they hadnt before....size 12 next!

Ilovemyteddy Tue 15-Jan-13 15:20:00

Yakshe I sat through Les Mis on Saturday whilst DH munched his way through a bag of Rolos envy. We'd just had a lovely meal, too. As others have said, take your own low-carb munchies.

And i went to the harvester for lunch... I had the simply chicken a d replaced potatoe with green beans... It was lovely!

Yakshemash Tue 15-Jan-13 15:22:21

Ilovemyteddy A bag of Rolos? That's like mental cruelty.

Ilove mine had a whole bag of Mini Eggs. I could smell them all the way through I Dreamed a Dream... Still, stuck with my scratchings!

Argh I need a boost of encouragement after a difficult day. I fell down our decking steps carrying DS this morning. He is almost 2 but has complex disabilities and a seizure disorder. I was rushing to get DD to preschool and just went over on my arse and as I landed I dropped DS on his face sad. He is badly bruised and grazed and screamed for ages. Seems ok in himself but I feel so guilty.

Afterwards I had no appetite at all. Have had some scrambled eggs with a piece of bacon but I need to stay strong and cook my planned cauli cheese and stir fried savoy cabbage for dinner and not stray near the bread basket, or the wine cupboard...

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 16:17:44

Oh Starfish - what a fright you must both have had! Are you OK?

prettybird Tue 15-Jan-13 16:19:40

I am desperate to get a new pair of jeans as my current pair are wearing through at the crotch and I really shouldn't be seen in public in them

However, although they are a 14, I tried on some size 14s in M&S before Christmas (when I was about the weight I am now) and no way could I get into them blush my current pair had obviuosly stretched blush. So I need to leave it until I've lost a bit more.

On the plus side, I noticed this morning that my cheekbones are becoming more prominent again smile

EwanHoozami Tue 15-Jan-13 16:22:08

Starfish what a horrible fright. You must feel really shaken. Have you had a hot drink? My DS fell smack on his face at a playgroup yesterday while I was yakking to the other parents minding the baby and he has quite the shiner.

I just feel really tearful. DH isn't home until Thursday and what I could really do with is a cup of tea made by him (because it always tastes better when he makes it) and a hug. Somehow he just always makes everything better!

I've had a cuppa, sans milk, but it didn't really hit the spot. My back is quite sore and I think I wrenched my right arm and hand at the same time. Was planning to Shred tonight, oh dear...

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 16:27:34

No shredding for you! <firm voice>

Have a hot bath, if you can, and take some paracetamol - try for an early night too. You need to take it easy.

Princess - well done that's fab. Onwards and downwards.

I think it's better to measure yourself by clothes rather than scales

<disclaimer do as I say not as I do> daily weigher here

Starfish- why would wine/bread/sugary food make you feel any better? You will have a momentary enjoyment of the forbidden fruit then feel guilty for eating it! Not worth it.
Put DC to bed and draw yourself a big bubble bath. Chill out for half an hour. Be kind to yourself.
You will honestly feel better and more relaxed doing that than eating sugar which will give you insulin spike then you have to deal with aftermath

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 16:30:26

Hmm. I think my scales are either on the way out, or the battery needs replacing. They seem to veer up and down by 5lbs a day at the moment. It is most disconcerting. I'm going to check the batteries first.

Oops x posted with everyone!

Well done ok so far today
B greek yoghurt
L leftover pork and cauliflower cheese
D pork belly slices with Savoy cabbage

Pah yes I could do without the carb aftermath!

Hot bath once the kids are down for sure. Thank you for the kind words and motivation.

catinboots Tue 15-Jan-13 16:41:28

Thanks BIWI

<waves back at Pistey>

Oh good idea re the herbal teas. I think I've got a couple of flavours at the back of the cupboard.....

Maybe that's what's wrong with me?

New batteries in scales?

Or maybe not!
Am on it today though and in the zone

slatternlymother Tue 15-Jan-13 16:45:18

Oh starfish sad are you OK? You poor thing, that must've been a real fright. I know it's hard with your DH away (mine goes away a lot too), but I promise you that stuffing your face doesn't make it better. 2 more sleeps, and he's back. It'll stay as 2 more sleeps whether you eat chips, or whether you eat nice clean healthy food. <pats hand in reassuring manner>

BIWI mine started doing that, so I bought the older style ones, with the gauge so you can see what's going on. They were lovely, posh glass Weight Watchers (hiss) ones and were about £30. They are currently sitting in the kitchen cupboard, razzing at me hmm

Hope you've all had a really nice day.

slatternlymother Tue 15-Jan-13 16:46:21

And well done princesssparkle86! Bet you're feeling great now grin

JulesJules Tue 15-Jan-13 16:47:10

No idea if I've lost any weight as we have no scales (DH killed them with the ironing board many years ago. It might be why I married himgrin)

I've felt it's a bit of a struggle, as a vegetarian, because it's quite a radical change to the way I was eating before - typically rice + veg, pasta + veg, couscous + veg etc. I'm not overkeen on eggs, but actually have been eating many and varied frittatas, really tasty. Eg: asparagus, courgette, shallots, tomatoes, spinach with cheese on top - Stilton or cream cheese, or brie or cheddar or just parmesan... (not all on the same frittata...)

I have been eating lots of cheese, and a bit of Quorn stuff - waffer thin "ham", the bacon slices and Sainsb meat free hotdogs (which tragically appear to have been discontinued -and the Quorn ones are utterly disgusting). They are not too carby, but tend to be quite low fat, so I'm putting butter and cheese on veggies.

Snacks of olives or macadamian nuts or celery sticks with cream cheese in.

The water is a bit of a struggle, I'm just about managing 2.1L a day at the moment.

anewdispensation Tue 15-Jan-13 16:48:47

I spectacularly fell off the wagon last night. I had not had any dinner and was so hungry then went to visit a friend and I had a plate of rice with tomato sauce. I am so disappointed and so gutted sad

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Tue 15-Jan-13 16:52:55

Oh goodness starfish how are you both doing now?

Is ds ok?

<puts on well done badge and remembers it is threw not through>

Ilovemyteddy Tue 15-Jan-13 16:54:37

Starfish I'm not your DH but have a (((hug))) from me. As the others have said treat yourself to a lovely bath and pamper yourself with potions and lotions!

Hokey have to say I was properly impressed with that.

I could do it with bacon and egg mcmuffin. Not sure about aBig Mac though

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Tue 15-Jan-13 17:00:09

Was not easy Gless, not easy at all.

I think i still had the sound of BIWI's caps lock ringing in my ears after i mentioned the J word!!

barleywood Tue 15-Jan-13 17:15:23

Starfish....I know it it not nearly the same but have a virtual hug from me and others on this thread.

Be kind to yourself...and here's a brew

skandi1 Tue 15-Jan-13 17:46:13

Oh Starfish! Poor you and poor Starfish DS.

Hope you are both over the shock.

Thank you grin

Starfish- sorry to hear about your fall, i hope both you and DS are feeling OK! Bummer about DH not being there for hugs... Hot bath with some relaxing candles and a nibble on some scratchings infront of he soaps maybe? thanks

MissNJE Tue 15-Jan-13 18:15:32

Hello everybody,

congrats to all of you for your great loses. I am feeling absolutely horrible today. I am on holiday in Germany to see my parents and tonight I had an argument with my mother, like every time I am visiting her. I also found out that my grandfather is in intensive care since ast night and I can't even go and visit him.

I have eaten a lot of today... I feel terrible. I can't wait to be back in England on Thursday.

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 18:19:34

Sorry to hear about your fall Starfish hope you are both doing ok.

Princess well done grin

Lavenderhoney Tue 15-Jan-13 18:24:30

Starfish I hope you are feeling better, and your ds.

I have had inexplicable urges for sweet things today and I never have them normally! Had a teaspoon of peanut butter to finish the jar and chucked it out.

No shred for me I have too many chores and admin after dc in bed this week. I must get lots of stuff done before dh notices I haven't done anything and it all comes back to bite me on the bum. The weekend perhaps, if I get a move on.

B- fried egg, slice bacon, left over cabbage all in butter
L- Brie wrapped in Ham, 2 slices
D- cabbage and broccoli and a tiny bit of lamb as it was only after I made the Irish stew and dumplings for the dc I realised all the lamb had been swimming with suet and potatoes for a few hourssmile

Few olives here and there.
Water and a skimmed milk latte at coffee with a friend.

TheEarlyBird Tue 15-Jan-13 18:29:02

Oh my - celeriac chips. Just the best thing ever. I used the BBC Good Food recipe but replaced the curry powder with some posh salt with chili flakes in it. Beautiful. Am drinking my water and going to drink less tea (but must have my 2 cups of coffee in the morning or else.......)

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 18:34:28

Nothing wrong with suet, lavender!

MsRinky - sorry you're having a horrible time.

Suet- does that mean we can make dunplings? I assumed theyd be carby

halfthesize Tue 15-Jan-13 18:44:36

Princess Dumplings normally need a mix of suet and flour, unless anyone knows of a flour free recipe? fingers crossed they dowink

Ruprekt Tue 15-Jan-13 18:52:59

B - cup of tea

Snack - 2 HB eggs and 2 sausages with mustard and FF mayo

Lunch - lamb burger with celeriac bake and rocket with FF mayo.

Am stuffed and cannot face dinner. Need more water......................

That sounds like a good idea... Ill have a browse online and c what i can find in a bit smile

ShebaQueen Tue 15-Jan-13 19:13:40

Hello all, I can't keep up with this thread but I did read about your fall Starfish, big hugs to you, hope you and your DS are ok, what a shock for you.

I've got a niggly sore throat which I hope isn't the start of something more. Am just about to have a green tea - just about getting used to it, prefer the lemon and ginger one.

Have a good evening all.

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 19:46:43

Thanks BIwI i didnt have much success in looking! Will write that recipe down! grin

MsRinky Tue 15-Jan-13 19:56:18

I'm not having a horrible time! Sorry that you are though MsNJE Hope you can visit your grandfather soon and that he's OK.

Think I am having mid-life crisis. Am 40 on Thursday, and today have seen my dream job advertised. It has all the good bits of my job and none of the crap bits. I work full time. Dream job is 3 days a week. I think that's the dreamiest bit about it. I don't have any kids and don't expect that this will change given my advanced years, so it would be swapping work for time for me.

So am now frantically spreadsheeting to prove to myself that I can afford to give up 40% of my salary. Am I mad? I'm currently trying to quantify how much I spend every month to cheer myself up for having to work so hard...

MsRinky Tue 15-Jan-13 19:56:35

I'm not having a horrible time! Sorry that you are though MsNJE Hope you can visit your grandfather soon and that he's OK.

Think I am having mid-life crisis. Am 40 on Thursday, and today have seen my dream job advertised. It has all the good bits of my job and none of the crap bits. I work full time. Dream job is 3 days a week. I think that's the dreamiest bit about it. I don't have any kids and don't expect that this will change given my advanced years, so it would be swapping work for time for me.

So am now frantically spreadsheeting to prove to myself that I can afford to give up 40% of my salary. Am I mad? I'm currently trying to quantify how much I spend every month to cheer myself up for having to work so hard...

MsRinky Tue 15-Jan-13 19:57:29

Grr, double post, stupid technology.

Anyway, good news is I have been so distracted all day I just clean forgot to eat my lunch. This has never happened to me before.

starfish hope you are OK.

Still doing well here, both me and DH and am feeling positive. I have found by snacking regularly I avoid the cravings a bit.

B - scrambled eggs and bacon
L - soup, celery and pâté
D - pork steaks, cauliflower cheese from the recipe section (thanks gless).
S - pork scratchings

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 20:01:00

Sorry, MsRinky blush

MsRinky -
i found turning 40 was a time where I reevaluated my life.
Hey if you can afford it and its your dream job- go for it!

msrinky DO IT! Lovely work and time to yourself would be so good for your health and well being! Of course if you can afford it!

How are you doing with your eating while you are on holiday?
Will you get to see your grandfather whilst you are there? Mothers are notorious for winding us up and pushing our buttons wink
Be kind to yourself too - sending positive thoughts

Doshusallie Tue 15-Jan-13 20:05:37

Evening all. Oooh go for it mrs rinky. colleague I know gave up high pressure job to become a part time landscape gardener, has never been happier.

Tea was 3 turkey sausages, leeks and sprouts cooked with a splash of cream, and broccolli. Needed more cream really.

Snack was hog bites.

Didn't make it to gym today(despite wearing the clothes) so will DEFFO GO TOMORROW aches or no aches.

Boys abed, dh out, in pjs with cat on lap, with the remote. Second part of Lewis you say? Oh go on then. grin

Starfish very sorry to hear of your nasty fall, hope your bath has been restorative.

Yama Tue 15-Jan-13 20:15:39

Am knackered. Long day at work and mega stressed about upcoming house move.

B - Chicken thigh and wee dod of pate
S - Yoghurt
L - Egg mayo and salad
S - Pepperami
D - Beef and leek meatballs with celeriac mash.

Dh managed to find a ginger tea with no sugar so might have a wee cup of that and head up to bed.

Right, having been reading the John Briffa book and BIWI's posts I don't think I'm eating enough fat... (Never thought I'd say that!!) BIWI, this is what I ate today, can you tell me what you think?
B: Greek yogurt
L: Shredded red cabbage mixed with mayo and a roast chicken leg with skin
D: Gammon steak, cauliflower mashed with butter and cream, Savoy cabbage with a bit of butter on
Now I think that's a lot, but on mfp it works out about 75g of fat versus about 85g protein...
The good news is that after turning his nose up at it DP wolfed a plate of cauliflower mash so that will be on the menu again.

Oh, and forgot a pepperami, two cups of tea with a tiny bit of milk, and about 7 pints of water.

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 20:28:44

Starfish Sorry about your fall, and MissNJE - so sorry you're having such a tough time in Germany. thanks for you both.

MsRinky As someone who has a pressured(ish) job and often fancies running off to join the circus (okay maybe something a bit less acrobatic) - I say do it, do it, do it!

NoveltySlippers Tue 15-Jan-13 20:29:34

(Would offer some wine for courage to fill out the job app, but it's not allowed)

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 20:38:06

littlermissstan - I'm surprised that is less fat than protein - I would have said that it looks fine.

How does it compare with what you were eating before you decided to believe me to eat more fat?

SavoirFaire Tue 15-Jan-13 20:40:29

Evening everyone.

Starfish, what a shock. I do hope you and DS are both ok.

MsRinky, sounds exciting and worth doing the maths. I work 3 days a week and I would say that the financial shock to the system is worth considering really seriously before you do it - although I have DCs and their childcare currently absorb more than my entire salary which is a problem you won't have. Only other thing I would say is that what looks like a dream job on paper will doubtless have many crap bits, just like your current job. I know very few people who don't whinge about parts of their job. But you can't be sure about that until you go for an interview, or possibly not until you start the job. So I would say go for it, apply - you don't need to make a decision about taking the job until after you've been through the process.

So, I also have a saw throat which I think may be the signs of something. Both DCs were up over night last night so I think we're all sharing germs. Again.

My day:
B: 2 eggs and butter
L: Last nights leftover casserole along with some broccoli rice (fancied trying that in same vein as cauli rice). It was absolutely gorgeous.
D: Belly pork served with cauli cheese and some salad.

Problem though - I was very excited about pork belly and crackling. But crackling was VERY Disappointing. I have some more pork for later in the week. Please give me your tips for how to make the crackling super crackly. Thanks!

Could be wrong values on mfp maybe - it's not the most reliable of tools! And it's lots more than before, and I'm 8lbs down since new year, so shall just have a quiet preen that you approve and carry on smile

BIWI am liking your description of 'saw' throat - describes it very well wink

Hmmm, crackling - take pork out night before to dry out. Use a Stanley knife to score lots, smother in salt rubbing into all the cracks... ?

Yama Tue 15-Jan-13 20:58:24

Just running in to say that dh has just made the King of snacks. He put some of that Groovy Coconut Oil (thanks for the recommendation) into a bowl and into the microwave. Then he folded in some spinach and parma ham. Wow. Taste sensation.

Right, off to bed to watch an episode of the Killing.

NoelHeadbands Tue 15-Jan-13 20:59:39

Hello everyone

I'm absolutely knacked tonight so heading off to bed with a book.

B - sausages dipped in mayo
L - ham and cheese letwiches
T - beef stew with sautéed cabbage and turnip dauphinois (thanks to whomever posted that recipe, I'd have never thought to try it)

Yama Tue 15-Jan-13 21:02:11

Ooh, Savoir, you say the broccoli rice was nice? Dh asked about broccoli rice and I said "no, there's not a recipe for that on Mumsnet so it probably doesn't work." grin

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 21:06:18

How did you make the broccoli rice? Can you post it on the recipe thread, please?

NoelHeadbands Tue 15-Jan-13 21:15:42

Broccoli rice, cauliflower pizza, turnip dauphinois...

Some of our recipes do sound a little like something Baldrick would serve up don't they? grin not that they aren't delicious of course

gloriafloria Tue 15-Jan-13 21:16:42

Evening all, Haven't been able to read all the thread due to work but well done everyone sticking at bootcamp. Really starting to enjoy my meals now and breaking the habit of constant pigging out grazing on junk. I'm 8lbs down. I'm expecting that to slow down this week but that's fine as my aim is to get a stone off by May so well on the way. I've told some work colleagues and friends what I'm doing but have had some negative comments such as 'you'll regret this as your metabolism will be mucked up forever' 'this time next year, you'll be back where you started or worse heavier'. It does slightly worry me but also makes me determined to show them.

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 21:18:55

On the contrary, gloria. You will have stabilised your blood sugar and there is no issue with your metabolism. It's going low calorie that messes your metabolism up.

However, like any diet, when you reach your target weight, you do need to make sure that you don't just revert back to a what you were eating previously - that was put the weight on in the first place.

BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 21:19:54
BigStickBIWI Tue 15-Jan-13 21:22:08
gloriafloria Tue 15-Jan-13 21:26:04

Thanks BIWI I'm so determined never to go back again. It was fine in my twenty's but now I want to start looking after me! Thanks for the link - off to have a read up.

B - Coffee with full cream
L - Ham, Cheese, Lettuce, creamy dressing
D - V nice sausages 2.7 carbs per 2 sausages, bacon, cauliflower cheese
S - Another coffee with cream

Ruprekt Tue 15-Jan-13 21:41:37

Could not face dinner as I was stuffed from B and Lunch.

Just had a plate of cheese and celery and coleslaw with a pepperami.

More water......grin

Hello everyone! Crickey, been away for a day and I've really missed all the tales of inspiration and support, but it moves so fast I can't keep up!

Am really, really, really struggling today. Evil sugar cravings of doom.

Missing a bit of crunch, BIWI how would this pass as a bootcamp snack

Made Dukkah by toasting cumin, fennel, coriander seed... Stirred in cinnamon, chilli flakes and a few poppy seeds, pounded with pestle (ok a rolling pin and a cereal bowl!) I have dipped small cubes of feta ad cheddar in this and scoffed with enjoyment (and refused to share with DH as he is sipping WINE!!)... Tis really v nice and its preparation took my mind off sugar and wine, at least for a short time grin

SavoirFaire Tue 15-Jan-13 21:59:24

broccoli rice now on recipe thread.

Of course you could add something like chili flakes etc - I do have quite bland taste, so you might want to spice it up a bit. Was absolutely lovely as a side to casserole.

Valdeeves Tue 15-Jan-13 22:24:49

Starfish I hope you and your little one are feeling ok now. And MsNJE - hope you are feeling better too.
I've really struggled today - my DD (5months but 3.5 corrected) has been getting me up at 3am every night as you'd expect but I've hot the wall of tiredness. My DS was at preschool so we went to a lovely music class.
But all I wanted to do was go to Stabucks and have a Chai Tea Latte and a slice of rich chocolate cake. That craving hasn't left me all day.
BIWI - I made your lovely beef dish today - thanks for the recipe.
I know diet drinks are off but will it be a massive set back if I have one glass? (I didn't but I want to!!)

Valdeeves Tue 15-Jan-13 22:26:03

Btw - it's my bday at the weekend - what's the best planned food and alcohol cheat that won't hold me back to much?

SavoirFaire Tue 15-Jan-13 22:35:01

Don't do it Valdeeves! This is bootcamp!!! Resist the craving and polish your halo in the morning.

Good on you for doing this with a 5 month old. I did 2 weeks with a 7 month old last year but was driven to wine after that. This year I am older, wise and my children sleep for longer, so I'm going to try and stick it out for the full 10 weeks or at least until I hit target.

Ruprekt Tue 15-Jan-13 22:35:14

prawn cocktail

steak, salad and celeriac chips if you are eating in.
Steak with a blue cheese sauce and salad if you are out

Cheese board

SavoirFaire Tue 15-Jan-13 22:36:16

Apparently best booze is vodka and soda.

Food wise just stick to the usual. As it is almost the end of full bootcamp might you be permitted some dark chocolate? Hm. I wonder what BIWI would say.

Ruprekt Tue 15-Jan-13 22:36:19

Last post was to Valdeeves.

Go and brush your teeth young lady and go to bed!!!!

That is to Valdeeves too. grin

Valdeeves Tue 15-Jan-13 22:37:06

Starfish I hope you and your little one are feeling ok now. And MsNJE - hope you are feeling better too.
I've really struggled today - my DD (5months but 3.5 corrected) has been getting me up at 3am every night as you'd expect but I've hot the wall of tiredness. My DS was at preschool so we went to a lovely music class.
But all I wanted to do was go to Stabucks and have a Chai Tea Latte and a slice of rich chocolate cake. That craving hasn't left me all day.
BIWI - I made your lovely beef dish today - thanks for the recipe.
I know diet drinks are off but will it be a massive set back if I have one glass? (I didn't but I want to!!)

Ruprekt Tue 15-Jan-13 22:37:22

BIWI will arrive with a big stick in a minute and she will put caps lock on and highlight it all in bold!!!

Do not do it or you will have to start bootcamp again!!!


Valdeeves Tue 15-Jan-13 23:30:34

Sorry double post! Ah thanks Ruprekt - I did an online Tesco shop for some baby gros and am currently "dream" feeding a baby in the dark in the hope that she won't get up at 3/4am tonight.
I forgot about Steak - of course I can have steak!!
And vodka soda sounds good. I think we def won't be going out as no babysitters so I could pan fry some steaks and make the chips with a watercress salad.
My hubbie has just passed out on the couch as he finished off the pack of Yum Yums I have been ignoring for three days (it has killed me but I did not buy them!)

EldritchCleavage Wed 16-Jan-13 00:10:20

Sidling in to declare a an rather unexciting weight loss to 11 stone 12.

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 16-Jan-13 06:32:27

Morning Low Carbing chums brew

NoelHeadbands Wed 16-Jan-13 07:19:08

Morning all

Sausages for breakfast again this morning. I cooked a batch of them off the other day, then I wap a couple in the micro and wrap them in foil to eat at my desk. For some reason, having a little hot foil parcel if sausage in my pocket makes me feel ridiculously happy grin

Morning all,
Just caught up on yesterday crikey starfish what a shock, hope you got that bath and feel better today smile

I have a bad-fat test today to see if any change since October ... I havent lost pounds but I am training 3times a week and everything fits better...

TaffyandTeenyTaffy Wed 16-Jan-13 07:20:50

Morning fellow boot-campers! Not posted much this week - but trying to keep up with the thread. Was proper exhausted Monday - almost falling asleep driving too andd from work and had a really bad head in the evening so had an early night.

Foodwise has been ok - eggs for breakfast, salad with avacado and eggs/prawns and mayo for lunch, Monday night I had salmon, garlic mushrooms and green beans, then last night I had belly pork, a sort of hunters chicken with bacon and cheese topping, brocoli, cauliflower and green beans. I also had some lettuce wraps with butter and blue cheese as a snack.
Really enjoying finding new things.

I had a sneaky weigh this morning and am another 2lbs down - so a much more respectable 3lbs off in total, which I am pleased about. The extra water is working!

Its my birthday next week so we have all the family down at the weekend for a buffet.....and I need some ideas, please! So far its prawns, smoked salmon, prawn cocktail, cold meats, chicken portions and skewers, olives, salad, some sausages (if I can find the right ones) and a crustless quiche.

Assuming we cant have shop bought vegetable crisps - as they will be full of naughtiness - but not sure if I am up to making my own?

<looks enviously at noels hot sausages>

I have awoken with a yen for gammon but there is none in the house, so spiced eggs and spinach for me, hoping sugar cravings of doom do not put in an appearance today...

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 07:27:53

brew good morning loosers, valdeves steak is a great choice, I also do creamy garlic mushrooms or pan fried scallops as starters, details are on the recipe thread.
for drinks vodka, slice of lime and soda is greatsmile
hope you got more sleep last night.

prettybird Wed 16-Jan-13 08:14:36

Omelette this morning cooked in a generous amount of butter smile.

Also down to 12st 6lb - a 10lb loss since Boot Camp started! shocksmile

BlackAffronted Wed 16-Jan-13 08:17:12

Another good day for me yesterday ...

b - scrambled eggs & ham
l - salmon & celeriac dauphinoise
d - basa fillets with a tomato & chorizo sauce, green beans
s - 5 pecan nuts (sorry! I amjust 1 day from bootcamp lite though, as I started early), glass almond milk (very low carb)

Hi all smile yesterday was a good day food wise. Today some serious willpower is in order! I have a trial run at a new job, in a bakery shock they make the best cakes in the world so i have be very strong. <wibble> I'll check in later and catch up on the posts smile

captainmummy Wed 16-Jan-13 08:24:47

Kitchenfairy - your spice mix/feta sounds yumm! Might nick that for lunch, with salad...

Starfish - hope the LO is ok today. Poor mite. And you, of course.

Amazed at the losses on here!

good morning, hope you're all doing ok

hope you and your ds are ok Starfish, and i'm so sorry to hear about your stresses missnje - look after yourselves both

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 08:31:20

starfish hope you're feeling better this morning smile

bullet wow. I would be like a starved animal in there. I'd probably just put some stuff in a bag and attatch it to my face whilst serving customers. Like a nose-bag, if you will. Although these horse-like habits are almost certainly what got me here in the first place <looks sadly at ungainly midriff>

thekitchenfairy Good luck on your fat test! Gosh, that sounds awful, doesn't it?!

I've got two glorious days off tomorrow and Friday, in which to wallow in my own filth and generally be horrifically lazy grin It's going to be fabulous.

DH has asked to take me out to lunch, and I'm going to try and pick the place and what I'm going to eat in advance, so I'm geared up. Would anyone mind helping me with some good choices if I post up the menus on here?

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 08:42:28

good luck bullet

gosh bullet that's tough, but fingers crossed it works in your favour in that you're so surrounded by baked stuff that you get sick of it <fat chance in my case!>

please do put up a menu slatternly, it's one of my favourite things to do!


Bullet-good luck in the bakery... Id take a peg for my nose so u cant smell the wonderfulness!

Slatternly- yes yes show us the menus smile

B- im not hungry and cant be bothered, had quite a long night last night..
L- italian chicken and salad
D- im thinking belly of pork with celeriac chips and im going to nick someone elses idea from yesterday and make a chilli salt for them grin

Ooh yes, I LOVE looking at menus, sad as it may be...
Good day yesterday, discovered the gorgeousness of cauliflower mashed up with butter and cream... Just had my yogurt, have smoked salmon salad for lunch and planning meatballs and courgette 'spaghetti' for dinner. Also managed spinning this morning, I don't know what's come over me!

Valdeeves Wed 16-Jan-13 09:29:07

Half the Size - thanks for that! I hadn't thought of those. Any idea about something tasty I can do with chicken tonight and how do you make celeriac dauphinois pls? It sounds amazing!
Just having some eggs for breakfast - finished the pre school work run and taking my DD to a baby class. She was up from 3 - 4:30 last night and is giggling away this morning.
Really glad I'm on this diet - first time I've really given myself a big kick up the bum after two kids. My next task is to join the shredding but right now can't find the time?
Starfish - how's the little one and you this morning?

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 09:43:07

Morning all!

Glad to hear so many tales of resisting the Bad Stuff! (Although suspect it's a good job I wasn't here with my big stick last night grin)

Re the buffet - you need to avoid it looking like it's just a meat fest, as that really will provoke comments! Things to consider adding:

- a big green salad with an oily (home-made) dressing
- home-made coleslaw
- mixed pepper salad (red/orange/yellow/green peppers, all sliced and pan-fried in olive oil until lightly charred, then dressed with extra oil and some wine vinegar, salt and black pepper
- celeriac remoulade recipe here
- devilled eggs (hard-boiled eggs; yolks scooped out and mashed with mayo and curry powder, touch of mango chutney if you feel like it, although obviously extra carbs, then re-fill the whites; garnish with a dusting of cayenne pepper)

Oh my, some lovely meal suggestions happening in here <takes notes>...

DS has insisted on going back to school today after 3 days on antibiotics...to be fair, he does seem well enough. Anyway, I'm glad to have him out the house because the endless 'poorly snacks'; cheese on toast, chicken soup, hot chocolate, hot vimto et al were beginning to do me in a bit. Despite all that I've stuck to bootcamp (and DP has half a bottle of red wine last night whilst we were watching Argo, grrrr envy)

Weighed myself this morning and I'm 129.6lbs...that's 9.4 lbs in 10 days shock...I can definitely feel/see a difference around my middle but I'm waiting for my double chin to disappear. I have always been cursed with a round chubby face but it's got a lot worse this past couple of years and I tend to resemble Michael Winner in photographs even though I'm not terrible overweight elsewhere.

Anyway, today's menu...

B - 2 rashers bacon, 1 boiled egg, rocket, mayonnaise...all mixed up together in a bowl. Raspberry green tea. Mmm.

L - Kippers in butter with salad.

T - I'm attempting the thread famous celeriac chips (wish me luck!) with pork steaks and creamed cabbage or brocolli cheese.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 09:49:23

I should think sales of celeriac and cabbage are going through the roof at the moment!

Morning all smile

Ive had eggs this morning though I cant say I enjoyed them... Im not sure about my lunch yet but I thought Id have a crack at a beef stew/casserole for dinner, think theres a recipe about on here somewhere isnt there?

Im doing good with drinking enough water so at least thats something!

I always seem to stick at 9st, always always always so I'll be interested to see if I do drop below this number by keeping super strict. If Im not seeing as drastic loss as others (though I know I didnt have a lot to lose in the first place) is it worth doing another bootcamp week or shall I move on to the next bit with the rest of you?

Have a great day all, keep warm! Im sat at my dining table with a coffee, a shitload of layers and a blanket wrapped around my legs blush If I wasnt waiting for a courier Id be back in the bloody bed.

Lifeisontheup Wed 16-Jan-13 09:52:41

Morning everyone,

Slipped off the wagon on night shifts this weekend, was so tired after the first one(late off so 26 hours without sleep) and nearly fell asleep at the wheel in my first mile of the drive home with 19 miles to go. Decided I had to buy something to eat as it's impossible to go to sleep while eating, stopped at the garage and bought a sausage roll. The battle was between falling asleep at the wheel or keeping to the WOE and I think I probably made the right choice.smile
Back with a vengeance today and having corned beef and lettuce for breakfast. I've got a beef stew in the oven for tonight filled with lots of lovely LC veg and mashed celeriac to soak up the gravy.

At least I've lost 4lbs so quite pleased really, days this weekend so should be easier to stick to WOE.

Morning all

Just here to record yesterdays food again

B: 2 eggs scrambled with butter plus 3 slices of edam
L: Celeriac soup - gorgeous!!
D: Chicken breast, pancetta & mushrooms with single cream. Leeks & cabbage cooked with butter, brocoli

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 09:59:03

Guy - recipe for beef casserole is on the recipe thread. It's up to you if you stick with Bootcamp. Depends how you're getting on with it - and you need to be very sure that if you stick with it, that you're eating properly, i.e. getting your carbs from veg/salad, to make sure that you're getting a balanced diet.

Or you could do a hybrid - Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend, which gives you a bit more flexibility

Lifeisontheup - glad you didn't fall asleep at the wheel! But you really need to start planning ahead for occasions such as that, as if you rely on being able to find stuff you can eat at the garage you will be sadly disappointed!

TaffyandTeenyTaffy Wed 16-Jan-13 10:00:18

Thanks BIWI - sounds fab - you are The Best!! grin

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 10:08:21


No. Honestly. Just send money.

Snacks!! I forgot about them:

FF Greek yog
Celery with philly

I only managed pints of water yesterday so am trying to up it today

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 10:10:53

Had plain yoghurt again this morning; I'm finding myself getting hungry come about 10am though (breakfasting about 7am). What other ideas can I steal in order to remain fuller for longer? I'm trying to not snack.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 10:12:43

Which yoghurt are you eating, slatternly? Is it really full fat?

If you're still getting hungry, then perhaps you need to consider eating something else as well/instead? How about eggs mashed with butter or mayo? Or scrambled eggs with butter?

When I'm really in ketosis, one boiled egg is enough to keep me going until lunchtime, without snacking.

Lifeisontheup Wed 16-Jan-13 10:19:03

I know BIWI I had taken snacks but had eaten them all, was a very busy and stressful night. Will know to take more, in fact I may keep olives in the car then I don't get caught out.

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 10:22:02

Yes, it is full fat I have checked. It just says 'natural yoghurt' on the label and I checked ingredients etc so no worries there. I am having 2 tablespoons.

See, I don't know if it's just my head saying 'everyone else is having a snack, why aren't you?'

Would cold sausages be alright? Between making breakfast for a fussy toddler and getting us all to nursery/work on time, there isn't a huge amount of time in the morning.

Anaisa Wed 16-Jan-13 10:23:36

Morning everyone,
Feeling a bit depressed this morning so I though I'd have a moan if you'll have me?
Week two for me and 7lb down which I am very pleased about even though I haven't lost anything since Sat. I track my weight in kg and have gone from triple figures to double, which feels like a massive achievement :-). I love not feeling hungry!
Now comes the "but" part - my DS2 is 6 weeks old and over the last couple of days my milk supply has pretty much disappeared. Suddenly we had to go from one bottle in the evening to pretty much exclusively bottle feeding. I can only put it down to lc as nothing else changed. I was hoping to breastfeed until at least the end of March when I go back to work :-(.
The obvious solution would be to start lc again in a couple of months, but I am still in maternity clothes as nothing else fits, fed up of being severely obese and panicking about having nothing to wear. After DS1 I have tried every diet under the sun and nothing really worked. I cant afford a new wardrobe and really need to shift at least 1.5 stone before I go back to work (and another 3.5 after that). I wish I didn't have to go back to work so soon (--or at all--) :-(

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 10:32:37

Morning all brew

Last night I made the famous <drumroll> creamy braised cabbage! It was.... nice. But my cabbage 'segments' didn't seem to stay together. Anyone else find that? I went onto the More Than Toast blog where the recipe came from and that woman's pictures showed her cabbage looking much more orderly than mine!

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 10:36:15

Awww anaisa


No advice re bottlefeeding I'm afraid; I bottlefed mine from about 3 weeks because I couldn't keep up with demand. It certainly never affected him badly, I think it was a positive move for us personally.

7lbs is an absolutely fantastic loss; you must be feeling great! I remember the need to get back into my work uniform post maternity leave, and it was a weight on my shoulders. Sometimes you need to think about what is going to be best for everyone.

Don't forget that your hormones are still a bit everywhere, and that 6 weeks is very very young!

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 10:39:38

Sorry Anaisa I dont have any advice re breastfeeding, but am sure others will be along soon who do! thanks for you.

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 10:40:10

Oh good, look, there's slatternly for starters!

Xenia Wed 16-Jan-13 10:40:13

Anaisa, not sure what your work is but could you not express breastmilk at work - I managed that and it worked quite well.

Also when women are almost starving their bodies still are supposed to produce milk as the body prioritises the child over the mother so I'm surprised milk is disappearing. Try feeding every 2 or 3 hours all night and during the day and no bottles and express after every feed and that should get the supply back up, unless you are trying to wind it down anyway as the nature of your work means you cannot disappear off with a breastpump to express.

Are you drinking enough - I drank loads when breastfeeding. I think the supply comes not through carbs (for 2 millions years mankind ate mostly fat and protein and veg and breastfed babies fine)but your general food and if you increase frequency of feeding the supply should keep increasing. Make sure you have a pint of water next to you for every feed too.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 10:42:38

Sorry to hear you're feeling down, anaisa. But 6 weeks post-partum is very soon to start trying to diet - whatever diet you are doing. Are you eating enough? You can still cut down your carbs, but you do need to be eating enough food.

slatternly why only two tablespoons of yoghurt? No wonder you're hungry! This WOE isn't about depriving yourself, honestly. But yes, cold sausages would be fine - as long as they are low carb ones, obviously! The Black Farmer makes lovely, low carb sausages

NoelHeadbands Wed 16-Jan-13 10:43:51

Anaisa have you tried fenugreek capsules? Available from health food stores, they do help with milk supply.

On the downside, both you and the baby smell like a 1970's curry house, but they do help

Doshusallie Wed 16-Jan-13 10:45:21

2 tablespoons??? I eat AT LEAST 200g of full fat yoghurt for breakfast every day and am never hungry till about 1.

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 10:54:14

<shifts about nervously>

Erm, well, I thought I'd be being greedy by having more blush

Yes I like the Black Farmer BIWI, we are going to the local butchers this week for our meat, and he makes them lovely. Just meat and a bit of flavouring. I asked him if he used rusk and he said no, there was no need to because of the quality of the meat and the fat helps to bind, so that's alright isn't it?

ToomuchWaternotWine Wed 16-Jan-13 10:56:39

When I'm having yoghurt for breakfast I have a huge bowlful! 2 tablespoons def won't keep you going!! I know it's hard to get your head around this esp if you have been used to restrictive calorie counted diets where amounts are minuscule and everything is weighed, but on this WOE, just eat the right foods till you have had enough!! Seriously it's ok, trust us!

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 10:58:38


Repeat after me: this way of eating is not about deprivation

You need to make sure that you are eating enough, and eating often enough. This way you keep your blood sugar levels stable. Keeping your blood sugar levels stable also keeps your hormones balanced, which means your body won't be screaming at you that it's hungry.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 10:59:21

Those sausages, if they are just meat and fat, sound perfect.

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 11:02:37

I find that yoghurt isn't really enough for me in the morning. It would be if I added muesli-type stuff or berries, but obviouly they're not allowed on bootcamp!

So I reserve my yoghurt consumption for my mid-afternoon snack. I then have two tablespoons of it, like slatternly, but that's cos I don't need more as just a snack. But that definitely wouldn't be enough to keep me going in the morning.

I generally need more texture in the morning; today I had mature cheese and ham with butter. 'Twas lovely!

anewdispensation Wed 16-Jan-13 11:05:02

Hi Anaisa. I am currently ebfing 4 months old DS as well. I am also doing the low carb WOE. The first week, I experienced a decrease in milk supply as well but what I did was to drink loads of water and fluids and I increased my fat and protein intake. I also drank a glass of soya milk with every meal. The 2nd week saw my milk supply back at pre-LC level.

As Xenia rightly said, it is fluids and food in general which helps make milk not just carbs. Apparently, because you have introduced a new WOE, your body thinks it is going into starvation mode and tries to shut down any non essential activity like breast feeding, but as long as you continually eat and drink loads of fluids and keep breast feeding on demand, your supply will be back up.

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 11:07:33

Slatternly I've found the M&S British Outdoor Bred Pork sausages with 97% pork (and gluten free) are great.

In fact they won some sort of award - and this is an interesting little piece about 'premium sausages':


I didn't really know about natural casing, and that when they ask you to pierce the sausages so they don't explode, it's becasue they have an artificial casing!

Xenia Wed 16-Jan-13 11:08:01

I support what BigS says. I eat like this. I am amazed at how little food people eat. They have one egg say. I have 3 eggs and bacon for breakfast. I sometimes think I eat 4x what some people do.

Also breastfeeding and anyone feeling hungry up the fat - eat lots of fatty beef, have 6 pork slices with fat on - whatever they have called, not one, have the whole packet.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 11:10:47

grin at being called BigS. I must change back to BIWI I think!

anewdispensation Wed 16-Jan-13 11:18:28

question sbout celeriac chips: are they meant to come out crisp? The ones I made on Sunday were soggy and even though they tasted nice, they were not crispy. Tips please

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 11:20:26

Yes...and if anyone has any experience of the braised cabbage - how did you manage to keep your cabbage segments together (as opposed to a kind of collapsed mess - like mine were)?

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 11:28:12

I don't think celeriac will crisp up anything like the way potatoes do. But happy to be proved wrong!

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 11:29:38

blush ooooh, well I thought if I ate half a big tub of yoghurt (200/250g) you'd all think I was a little piggy. Well, I am, but that's beside the point grin

Thanks for the tip about the sausages novelty, I might get a packet of those and test. Gosh, I never knew that about the skins! Come to think of it, I didn't poke the skins of the last Waitrose ones I had and they came out just fine.

I need to lay my hands on a celeriac...

Anaisa Wed 16-Jan-13 11:38:24

Thank you everyone!
Dispensation - that gives me hope! thanks.

BIWI you are probably right, my day is constant feeds/walks/general chores and not being hungry I forget to eat. I will make an effort to eat more.

anewdispensation - i cook them for longer if they're still a bit soggy, and make sure they aren't crowded together in the pan. they can get quite brown before they're ready. they are chewier in texture generally than potato chips

noveltyslippers, sometimes mine come apart and sometimes they don't - i suppose being extra-careful that the root part is evenly shared between the segments would help? I don't worry too much about it if they do though - I expect the blogger selected a particularly good outcome for the photo and had several versions that came apart

Bessie123 Wed 16-Jan-13 11:43:27

My celeriac chips crisped up. I tossed them in some oil and seasoning and spread them out on 2 baking sheets, then in to the oven. The oven must be at least 200 degrees and the chips need to be spaced out, not all piled on top of each other.

For the braised cabbage, you need to be careful how you cut the segments. Try to make sure it is through the middle of the stem, then the outside leaves don't come off.

We have had braised cabbage a few times but decided we prefer the recipe with Brussels sprouts, it's much tastier.

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 12:05:17

Oooh, thanks Bessie and Willie - that's a good tip. I hadn't done that (make sure root attached - doh!).

Yes - these bloggers must spend hours making their food pics 'just so'!

by root i meant stem - thanks bessie! - but you knew what i was talking about!

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 12:06:38

Oops, yes! smile

Ilovemyteddy Wed 16-Jan-13 12:12:04

I eat yoghurt for brekkie most days - a125g pot of Alpro soya yog because normal yoghurt makes me barf. But I always eat something else - cheese, ham or cold Black Farmers sausages. I never get hungry until lunchtime, and often go for a swim before going to work, if I can get my lazy arse out of bed!

Went to Boots to,get some vitamin D tables after a convo on the 'Questions' thread, and got so excited about the Boots 75% off sale that I forgot to get the vitamin D. I have, however, done most of my Christmas shopping for this year grin

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 12:14:11


Doshusallie Wed 16-Jan-13 12:16:03

I love the braised cabbage recipe with sprouts have it alot

TaffyandTeenyTaffy Wed 16-Jan-13 12:18:02

Mmmmmmm Crispy Seaweed. That is all.

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 12:21:44

Hmm, will try it with sprouts. I love that this WOE is forcing me to be more adventurous with my cooking. I'm one of those people who has bought tons of cookery books over the years, but rarely gets round to ever actually using them.

So will be very, very happy if this WOE not only gets me thinner/healthier, but makes me a better cook too!

Afternooon just had my chicken salad... It was a mound of salad grin

Ive just taken my first lot of raspberry ketones before lunch and i keep burping up raspberry hahaha!
Hope your all having a good day today... The sun has just come out here smile

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 12:29:51

What are raspberry ketones? confused

Explains about them here:


BigS grin Im pretty sure Im eating well enough, Im aiming for fat, carbs and protein with each meal, of course the carbs coming from salad and veg on the allowed list. Im trying my best to eat even if I dont feel like it and Im drinking enough water.

I am having more like 3 coffees a day though, rather than 2 and I wonder if I am ballsing up on the protein front? - I REALLY cant eat steak or big hunks of chicken breast etc I really cant stomach it, its grim. I usually have eggs for breakfast, salad and tuna mayo/prawns whatever for lunch, and dinner tends to vary more - sometimes I'll make a low carb spag bol/chilli/etc and have salad or veg or cauli rice with that.

Im not having sugar, sweeteners, anything I shouldnt and Im walking for about 60 mins each day on the school run. I'll walk even more when the weather warms up because I always do smile

Any ideas?

Goodness cannot keep up with this thread at all - keeps moving so fast.

Off to catch up, but in the meantime just wanted to say thanks all for the inspiration, tips and motivation - you are really helping me stick with it.

<settles down to snack of mackerel pate on cucumber rounds, accompanied by fizzy water with a slice of cucumber, and fennel tea with a spoonful of coconut oil (will report back on the tea - only got the oil this morning so this is first trial)>

guy your food sounds great, and i wouldn't worry too much about getting lots of protein - it's the fat you need to concentrate on really

(in fact you can have too much protein, as the body can metabolise it in a way that increased your blood sugar via gluconeogenesis - less efficient I think than with carbs, but could still provoke an insulin reaction. don't worry about this too much, but it can be something to think about if you feel your WOE needs tweaking a bit once it's established)

Thank you Willie, maybe then I'll just keep on with what Im doing and if I dont see a change in a week or so perhaps then I may need to look into tweaking it.

DorisIsWaiting Wed 16-Jan-13 13:15:32

Just a quick one to say in my first week I've lost 7 lbs grin grin. I was a couple of days late starting so my weigh day is wednesday.

Thank you for all the food ideas keep them coming- I tried the aubergine, feta and garlic someone linked to pages (last thread) ago. It was ok ish but I think the aubergine was still slightly undercooked. Not my best meal!

I have lost most of my hunger snacking which is superb, and a dress I ordered last week in a 16 (normally 16/18) fits (the wedding I'm going to is in 4 weeks so hopefully it will be baggy by then!).

Need to go and raid the receipe thread for ideas for tonights meal now.

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 13:15:38

<rolls through door, face beetroot red and gasping wetly, falls on floor>

THAT was an epic workout. I sweated so violently, that several people have expressed their concern for my general health on the way back to my office <proud>

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 13:19:53

Guy - you say you can't get below 9 stone - maybe you aren't supposed to be lighter than this! How tall are you?

slatternly that describes me as I leave every personal training session. Imagine my delight last week when I met an old friend, just about to start her class, who is one of those always immaculately turned out people!

JessicaWakefield Wed 16-Jan-13 13:21:12

Anaisa as others have said I think BF and keeping up the supply is more down to eating enough food, LC or otherwise and lots of water. I started this woe when I was exclusively BF DS who was about 3 months old at the time. I ate lots of real food and discovered drinking water - who knew!! I went from about a glass a day and mainlining espresso to 3 litres and I felt fantastic, milk supply a-ok and DS very bonnie indeed. So do give it a go if you can. Repeat after me - water and food!! Good luck! smile

Doris- thats fab well done smile

Slatternly- great news on the sweating wink haha!

coldethyl Wed 16-Jan-13 13:32:49

Afternoon all! Very proud to say I resisted temptation to hit the wine and chocolate again last night, but may have arsed it all up this morning.

B: cup of coffee with cream, slice of edam, slice of chicken, slice of crustless quiche... but it was boughten quiche, and because I was supervising DS2 making porridge and boiling dippy eggs for #3 and #4, I completely forgot there was pastry on the bottom. Had eaten it before I realised. Have I totally bollocksed it up?
L: cauliflower cheese with bacon and cream, spinach
D: (tonight) vegetable ribbons (courgette and leek for us, carrot and pepper for DS1, pasta for others) with smoked salmon and philly sauce. Poss a small salad of spinach leaves too as they need eating today / tomorrow and the bag is as big as DS3!

Staying off the bad stuff, even though I didn't cheat yesterday AT ALL and I had gained 0.25lbs this morning. Yes, I know that's only 125g, but still!

Hello everybody.

It's way past my normal scheduled lunch time (usually 12ish) and I'm not feeling hungry at all. Is it wise for me to just carry on until I fancy a snack and go without my planned lunch? I feel like eating at this point would just make me feel gluttonous. I've eaten breakfast at 9 (bacon, boiled egg, rocket, mayo), drank about 1.5ltr of water so far and a large green tea...I'm not planning on working out today so instead I'm giving the house a pretty rigorous clean (hoovering every room, cleaning bath room, DS's room, kitchen floor by hand)...I just don't feel hungry AT ALL.

Any advice would be appreciated.


BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 13:48:57

thatgirlsevil In Bootcamp, rule 1 applies! Eat three meals a day. It's important to do this, to ensure that you are keeping your blood sugar levels stable. From next week you can start to relax this.

coldethyl - that pastry won't have been great, but if you are strict today and drink plenty of water, it should be fine. However, if you are already gaining, you need to look at what you're eating/doing. And it looks like there is quite a bit of dairy in your menu, which could be an issue for you. There's also not much protein in your diet.

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 13:54:22

Valdeeves for my dinner tonight I am doing chicken breasts stuffed with garlic butter and wrapped in parma ham served with a green salad, dressed with a mixture of olive oil and chilli flakes its yummysmile

I use this recipe for Celeriac Gratin


BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 13:57:09

That sounds lovely, halfthesize

Thanks BigStickBIWI - Would some turkey and an avocado with a large spoon of mayo suffice as a lunch?

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 14:27:23

Yes, I think so.

TheEarlyBird Wed 16-Jan-13 14:42:42

I had to buy lunch on the hop today, running from work to collect my son. What would you buy in the supermarket that you could eat in the car that would tick all the boxes. So - no cutlery, no cooking - no nothing smile

Hellooooo <waves to everyone with ridiculous enthusiasm>

Well, the bad fat test didn't happen as trainer is ill, but, I shaved 2 minutes off my bootcamp workout time and I have lost 3 tummy inches grin, since December and I no longer get asked if I am pregnant when wearing a t-shirt grin grin

But, oh the shame, I am rather well blessed in the norkage department... My bra pinged open mid sit-up, such was my enthusiasm for this particular task, i didnt realise the effect immediately, and somehow it escaped out of my top and ended up round my neck.

Can laugh about it now but it was awful. But i didn't run for the consolation cake or even a coffee, I just wasn't hungry, in fact this has never happened before I even had to remind myself to eat lunch!

<waves across lovely Cornish sun to slatternly and starfish>

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 14:58:10

blushing for you, thekitchenfairy!!!

TheEarlyBird - sliced meats - ham/corned beef/turkey; some supermarkets sell individual portions of cheese; check if they have a 'food to go' section - rotisserie chicken, if you want something hot (avoid the flavoured chicken pieces as they have sugar on them)

Boobz Wed 16-Jan-13 14:58:15

Well done to all those brilliant losses!

Sorry about your fall starfish - at least he's 2 and not 4 months like when I dropped DS.

Just shared a link with my mum over email from our beach holiday photos (we live in Kenya and she's not seen me since June last year when I was only 3 months post birth) so she hasn't seen my weight loss, and her exact words were:

"You are looking so thin, you are not starving yourself are you, really skinny, need to put a bit of meat on, have you been ill?"

Love mums - they always think you need fattening up, eh?

Boobz Wed 16-Jan-13 14:59:30

Well done to all those brilliant losses!

Sorry about your fall starfish - at least he's 2 and not 4 months like when I dropped DS.

Just shared a link with my mum over email from our beach holiday photos (we live in Kenya and she's not seen me since June last year when I was only 3 months post birth) so she hasn't seen my weight loss, and her exact words were:

"You are looking so thin, you are not starving yourself are you, really skinny, need to put a bit of meat on, have you been ill?"

Love mums - they always think you need fattening up, eh?

TheEarlyBird Wed 16-Jan-13 15:05:20

BigStick - what I actually had was a small portion of prawns with chili flakes and a packet of pre-sliced hard cheese and a bottle of water. Any good? Think I should have had some fat as well but couldn't think what confused

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 15:07:13

thekitchenfairy I am blushing for youblush but is rather funny.

boobz it's great to get comments about weight loss, I think it keeps you motivated and just feels fab, your mum sounds just like my mother in lawwink

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 15:08:48

Oooooh halfthesize that sounds bloody lovely! I might have that for my dinner actually. I forgot to get anything out of the freezer like a tit.

Hi thekitchenfairy <sniggers unhelpfully> At least you've lost though, it's really helpful doing measurements as well. I may start doing that. My waist has gone down an inch and a half from 32" to 30.5" so that's nice. I must get the measuring tape out again, although it is a rather unhelpful tapemeasure, since it is the tapemeasure used for all household tasks, and has been dropped in a tin of white emulsion. There are big splodges of paint where I failed to clean it properly hmm So measuring my waist is good practice for Friday scratchies grin

(scratchies are scratchcards, for all those non - Plymouth born folk; must be screeched whilst wearing a dressing gown, flip flops and swigging a can of Special Brew for full effect, as in 'Ere, ahm goin down the offie to do me lotteries an five scratchies'.)

Lavenderhoney Wed 16-Jan-13 15:09:32

I think I need to eat something more exciting than the veg and meat from the dc dinnersmile

B- Fried egg, cabbage and mushrooms
L- very short of time so a few cherry tomatoes and very soft cheese
D- roast chicken, green beans. Didnt touch the left over roasties, nor the lovely smelling apple crumble I made them which they had with ice cream.

Lots of water and a couple of skimmed milk cappuchinos.

I couldn't see the celeriac in the supermarket today and asked the young lady manning the section. She looked at me in in a pitying manner and said ' you mean celery - its over there. Long green sticks"smile

Epic catch up, slightly reeling.

Hope you and your DS are feeling better today Starfish, sounded very scary.

Thanks all for the lovely recipe ideas, please keep coming. Last night did the chicken with mushrooms, leeks and cream thing, delicious.

Today's lunch included enormous mound of buttery, creamy spinach slurped juices gluttonously with soup spoon

I am missing the wine, but isn't it lovely to be able to eat all these other things that have been off limits for years?

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 15:09:52

Well, plenty of fat in the cheese, so not too bad. It's hard to find LC options when you're on the go.

Doshusallie Wed 16-Jan-13 15:11:03

that was deffo worth saying twice Boobz - my mum always used to say I looked too skinny, bless her.

Well, meal of the day goes to...................... my lunch. WHAT WAS IT? I hear you cry....some exotic venison steak with celeriac jus and swede dauphinois on a bed of rocket and spinach with a homemade oily dressing???? NO!

2 egg, 2 bacon, mushrooms fried in butter, with a liberal sprinkling of salt, washed down with a pint of cold water, with a cup of builder's decaf tea for pudding. Is there anything more delicious, when very very hungry as I was at 2.45, than the above? I challenge you to beat it. grin Simple, but effective. I am replete.

Oh and to whoever said that this WOE also makes you a better cook I would second that - in that I never used to and now I do. smile

yy this woe has improved my cooking no end, and i'm much more adventurous now i'm not afraid of fat!

lavender in sainsbury's the celeriac is near the ginger/chillis/herbs etc (??!), and having assumed it would be with root veg (as it is in waitrose) for ages I thought they didn't sell it! (mind you, in my sainsbury's courgettes are in the 'exotic veg' section which doesn't say much for their categorisation imo!)

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 15:52:02

I third it Dosh my cooking has improved no end and much more variety.

slatternlymother it is scrummy and takes not time to prepare and cooksmile

I just TURNED DOWN BIRTHDAY CAKE. It was an actual superhuman effort, was my very favourite fondant icing-sponge-jam-creamy filling kind. My colleague was all "you can have a tiny bit", and I SAID NO.

Sorry for the caps, but it's a bit of a victory for me, I have all sorts of ishoos with turning down food/being able to only have a little bit of something.

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 16:05:33

Well done Littlemissstangrin

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 16:07:21

<gets out celebration marakas from desk drawer and shakes them vigourously at littlemiss>


PostBellumBugsy Wed 16-Jan-13 16:25:30

Whoohoo - well done littlermisstan! Spongy, jammy, creamy fondant cake is pure sugar & carb & the work of the devil!!!!! You deserve a million gold stars for turning it down. grin

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 16:30:15

Ok losers, here is the menu for the restaraunt I'm going to for lunch tomorrow with DH. Apologies in advance for MAMMOUTH post, I hope ya'll don't mind smile

thanks in advance xx

== LUNCH==



(SERVED FROM 12 - 2.30PM)

served with chunky chips, pease pudding & tartare sauce

King prawns and St Ives crab in a fragrant chilli, lime and coconut cream

Baked Gevrik Goats cheese with lemon thyme, honey glazed fig and crispy foccacia

Warm St Ives crab with lemon, tarragon, parmesan, root vegeatble crispsand watercress

Made from locally caught fish smoked in house & wrapped in air dried ham, served on a Nicoise salad with a
poached egg

pan fried minute steak with Cornish blue and caramalised onions in our own flat bread with fries

served a la Mariniere or in a Thai broth & a side of fries

Spicy coconut based curry with king prawns, hake & crab served with Jasmine rice, onion bahji
& naan bread

Brown crab , clams, pollack and aioli in a rich provencal sauce

thanks to you all

Well, I would have thought that olives, chorizo, anchovies and oysters from the starter list were all good... Then best for mains maybe bouilliabaisse? Though I would maybe have the mussels mariniere and ask for a side salad instead of the fries.

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable than me will come along though!

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 16:37:01

littlemiss thanks I thought the bouilliabaisse sounded alright, but didn't know what aioli was?

Can I have the mussels and just ask for no fries? Or DH have them?

PostBellumBugsy Wed 16-Jan-13 16:43:23

I'd go for the steak sandwich, but without the bread & the fries - just ask for double salad instead.

Aioli is a really garlicky mayonnaise. Tis yum.
I am now going to Pizza Express tonight. Reckon I'm ok with aubergine parmigiana??

queribus Wed 16-Jan-13 16:50:06


B two chicken drumsticks
L salad, ham, avocado
D pork, celeriac, spinach

Can I ask a question? How much butter is too much butter? I'm really trying to get out of the 'low fat' mindset, but surely there's a limit to how much I should be eating?

And yes, just ask for no fries. Or, even better, ask them to have side salad or spinach or something instead of fries, thus gaining free veg...

coldethyl Wed 16-Jan-13 17:18:26

BIWI, forgive me if I've misinterpreted, does that mean more meat? I did have chicken for breakfast and have changed tea to be salmon steak and veg, the children can have the smoked-salmon sauce. Also two slices of ham as a snack.

Will pull the dairy back - this means less cheese and cream, but keep going with the butter, yes?

Thanks. Am not as on top of this as I thought.

Lifeisontheup Wed 16-Jan-13 17:56:14

To only PITA about this diet is the fact that I had to keep yanking my jeans up as I went round Sainsbury's. grin

Last week they were uncomfortable to sit in and they've been washed since so should be tighter!

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 17:57:58

envy of you life!

Your chicken recipe... Do you foil the chicken in ham or leave it to cook? And for how long, please?

Firsttimepig Wed 16-Jan-13 18:15:23

Just had fajitas for tea with kids but I missed out the wraps ! Mega hard proud. Said no ! Off to spinning in a bit hoping for good numbers this week.

Fajitas - chicken, green pepper, shallots, baby corn, mushrooms. With salad leaves. Yum.

Ilovemyteddy Wed 16-Jan-13 18:29:07

I'd go for the fish cake, although it may be breadcrumbed. I bloody love fish cakes and would be quite happy to dig the insides out of the breadcrumbs (drives DH nuts when I do that!)

Lavenderhoney Wed 16-Jan-13 18:33:31

Slatternly, that's a nice menusmile I hope you have a nice time. I'd go for olives / crispy chorizo, then the bouillabaisse with the aioli which should be made in house and is just mayonnaise with garlic which you put a huge scoop of into the soup and eat it. Dh makes it and it's lovely.

Or the fish cake or the goats cheese without the focaccia which I am assuming they serve on the side and you can give to dh. If the goats cheese is cooked on it then no.

Then I'm guessing cheese and celery for puddingsmile

Lucky lucky yousmile

NewStartSameStory Wed 16-Jan-13 18:35:33

I have fallen off the thread and off the diet spectactularly. Especially, after a very very difficult and stressful weekend just gone. I have been head first back into very bad habits (not eating and if eating only eating chocolate) .I am not going to say I will jump back on the wagon because I know the fall out from the weekend is still on going. I intend to minimise damage as much as possible and to rejoin starting from bootcamp strict week as of monday. So I will be two weeks behind you. Sorry to be awol. I having been missing the support of you lovely ladies.

skandi1 Wed 16-Jan-13 18:36:02

I sadly still feel terrible. Couldn't eat lunch today. I think it's sleep deprivation rather than anything else. I got two broken hours last night. <stares hard at DS>

Nothing wrong with my willpower tho. Neighbour came around with Victoria sponge which the DC had and she also gave me a massive box of choc marzipan which is in the cupboard and not even remotely tempted.

Wrangling the DC into bed and going to bed myself.
Well done everyone on the losses.

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 18:38:39

slatternlymother I just wrap in the ham and use a skewer to hold in place, I have also added chilli to the butter mix tonight grin

Well done skandi - to be fair there isn't much any WOE can do for 2 hours kip! Was it you who has rosacea? If not sorry- I'm struggling to keep up with the thread

Newstart- you know you are ALWAYS welcome any time. I know things are tough from previous posts. Sending big hugs and be kind to yourself

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Wed 16-Jan-13 18:52:12

Evening all, hope you're all having good days.

I am attempting Celeriac chips, with chicken breasts stuffed with goats cheese and olives.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 19:05:08

slatternly - although the menu sounds lovely, there's really not much there that's 'safe' for a low carber. Don't go for the fishcakes, as it will be fish mixed with mashed potato. Bouillabaisse is probably your best bet, or the mussels, as long as you don't have the fries. Otherwise, you're going to have to ask for steak without the bread.

skandi - sorry you're feeling bad still. Sleep deprivation is a terrible thing. It's no wonder they use it as a method of torture!

coldethyl - yes, I think more meat. Don't need to cut down on the butter - but definitely cut down on the cheese/cream.

littlemissstan - yay! Go you!

NewStart - we're here for you whenever you're ready to get back on the wagon.

Today for me:

B - Total ff yoghurt before the gym
L - 2 Black Farmer sausages, with cauliflower braised in butter with cumin and chilli flakes
S - 1 cold sausage
D - will be roast pork and roasted veg (leeks, cauliflower, pepper) and green salad - and hopefully some lovely crackling! <salivates>

Yama Wed 16-Jan-13 19:25:41

Well, we've packed up most of our possessions but the house seems messier than ever.

So today:

B - only one fresh egg left so I scrambled with with butter and cheese.
S - Yoghurt and boiled egg (boiled the other night)
L - Spinach, lettuce, chicken thigh, parma ham, camonbert, mayo and very oily dressing.
D - Bolognaise with fried courgettes, babycorn and carrot (dh got most of the carrot).

Righto - back to the packing.

I just wrote a post and its not showing up! Grrr!

What it said was along the lines of... OMG the celeriac chips were amazeballs! Made them with a salt concoction which i crushed up in a foodbag with a tolling pin: sea salt, black peppercorns, chilli and parsley! Had it with pork belly slices, mange tout and babycorn AND ive put a pic in my gallery for u grin

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 16-Jan-13 19:39:34

Evening wine

Just jokin


slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 19:44:36

Ah forgot about potato in fish cakes blush tits. I'll have mussels I think, and ask for salad not fries. Can I have chorizo to start though??

Just been to Sainsbo's and got some Biltong which is the South African version of beef jerky. But before you all kick off... It's only got 2.7g of carbs per 100g. That's got to be find of the day, no?

What percentage fat is Total full fat? The only one I could find was 5%. Which is less than the lidl one (10%).
Had a good day apart from falling off the caffeine free wagon a bit! And a wee bit of milk in my tea and coffee.
The job trial went well, fortunately I didn't have to do anything with cakes! All savoury cooking. I don't think Ill be able to take the job though as the money isn't good enough sad its such a shame because I think Id love it. But childcare a nd travel cancel out 2 out of 3 days pay sad.

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 16-Jan-13 20:00:26

I have one in my fridge, two ticks

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 16-Jan-13 20:04:47

<chomp chomp>

It says 5g per 100g

anewdispensation Wed 16-Jan-13 20:05:49

wow princess.. looks yummmy

Ruprekt Wed 16-Jan-13 20:19:54

Oooh am a full thing here with a full tummy! grin

B - FF yog with cup of tea

S - 2 slices crispy bacon, 2 eggs with dbl cream and butter, scrambled and 2 sausages - glass water

L - stick celery

D - Impro dinner - Fried chorizo with brussel sprouts and added sour cream
Then had a cauliflower cheese which was basically dbl cream with cheese added, poured over cauli and baked. YUM!

Water and peppermint tea. Am really full!

skandi1 Wed 16-Jan-13 20:30:27

Gless. Indeed. DH is under orders to get up with DS tonight. Am done in.

Yes I suffer from rosacea. I saw someone mentioned, think it was you? That this WOE sorted their rosacea. I am clinging on to that. How long before you saw any improvement?

bawdster Wed 16-Jan-13 20:30:56

hi I am new to this site and after being recommended to the diet which I can see is working for plenty I have decided to give it a go , so any recipe ideas and snacking tips as I would like to stil snack but knowing its not wrong . Also can I drink coffee if so whats the right way as I can take or leave milk , and happy to drink herbal tea so all ideas and tips will be greatly appreciated :-)

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 20:36:50

question thread here

That's just for any quick questions you might have during the day.

Someone will be along to link to the recipe thread in a minute I expect can't find the fucker

Welcome wink

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 20:39:39

Evening all

I made the broccoli and blue cheese soup tonight. It was alright - but I think I made it too thick.

I also think I lack an off switch when it comes to stilton! Half the block got nibbled while preparing. blush

BlackAffronted Wed 16-Jan-13 20:42:05

welcome bawd smile boiled eggs, ham slices, pate on cucumber/celery, chicken thighs, cold low carb sausages, lettuce & mayo, babybels are all things that are safe to snack on. Coffee, limit to 2 a day if you can, driink it black or with cream smile

Well, just did another Zumba class! Wasnt as tired out this time,, thankfully. I have 3 and a half weeks to build up to the 8 hour Zumbathon shock

Food today -

B - 2 egg, 2 bacon, mushrooms, mayo at a cafe
L - 2 chicken thighs with skin & mayo
S before Zumba - 2 pork belly slices
D - DH wanted a takeaway, so I had the roast platter from our local Chinese (chicken, pork & dry spare ribs). I added a couple of teaspoons of the gravy that came with it.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 20:43:10

Welcome, bawdster!

Recipe thread is here


Here is the spreadsheet - add yourself and your starting weight.

Just don't touch the blue columns!

Look at the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet and you'll find the rules for Bootcamp.

Any questions, put them on the question thread that slatternly linked to.

BigStickBIWI Wed 16-Jan-13 20:44:10

bawdster you will find that one of the great joys of this WOE is that you simply aren't hungry - snacking won't be needed as much. Which is a good thing, as constant grazing causes our blood sugar to keep spiking, whereas we're trying to keep it as stable as possible

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 20:46:01

halfthesize that chicken was amazing. DH said it was the best meal we'd had since low carbing and wants it again next week! It was bloody amazing though, I am rolling around like a little fat thing atm.

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 20:50:28

Slatternly which chicken recipe is that? You've sold it well....I want some of that action!

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 20:56:14

halfthesize put it on, novelty; it's chicken breast stuffed with garlic butter and wrapped in Parma Ham, served with salad and mayo. Yeah. You want that.

I had pork belly slices tonight in a homemade BBQ sauce which was low carb but not Bootcamp iyswim
<Taps nose >

My skin cleared up within a couple of months. I still have rosy cheeks but the lumps and bumps have gone. I also switched to dermalogica moisturiser

NoveltySlippers Wed 16-Jan-13 21:05:14

I do, I do!

helpingout Wed 16-Jan-13 21:05:26

Evening everyone!

Loving the turnip dauphinoise! Had it two days running. I also made the thai pork with the peanut sauce which was gorgeous too.

I saved some of the pork and fried it then added spinach and cream. It was almost like a curry.

It is amazing how little I miss bread and pasta.

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 21:12:03

helpingout what is this mythical Thai pork in peanut sauce?

slatternly I know the very restaurant you are going to tomorrow! I'd have olives, chorizo, rock oyster, marinated anchovies, followed by Fowey river mussels mariniere style.

Love Fowey river mussels. Had them at the weekend at the Cornish Arms.

Thanks for all the kind message about DS and I hitting the deck. I couldn't figure out quite why it upset me so much but it scared the life out of me at the time because any blow to the head can trigger his seizures and the school run/walk really wasn't the moment to have to start doing CPR or calling the air ambulance hmm. But mainly because he is so vulnerable and at nearly 2 is completely reliant on me for all his mobility, and quite well could be forever, it suddenly made me feel like perhaps I can't cope as well as I thought I could with his disabilities, particularly the physical carrying and lifting, now he's getting big.

Sorry, this is all for another thread really, but since my previous bad eating habits were so tied up in emotion and stress I kind of feel like I need to say it here too because the support on this thread has seen me through what would previously have been a trigger for binging unhealthily.

Thanks to the thread I have had a really good few days of nutrition, no straying, just really delicious food. Tonight's dinner was big fat juicy prawns stir fried with a little chorizo, a little chilli, plenty of mushrooms and shredded savoy cabbage, in butter with a squeeze of lemon. Yum.

boobz you look fabulous. I'm guessing your mum didn't notice your amazing muscle tone and long lean strong limbs? Mums 'eh? wink

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 21:14:29

slatternlymother I am so pleased both you and DH liked it, my DH also loves itgrin
I will add to recipe thread.

Lifeisontheup Wed 16-Jan-13 21:17:43

Take care of yourself Starfish Don't know your history but it sounds like you have a tough time.

halfthesize Wed 16-Jan-13 21:29:30

You sound like you cope brilliantly starfish take care of yourselfthanks

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 21:38:21

starfish sad I'm happy you found a solution though. I'm the same, I had a fairly terse exchange with my (toxic) parents earlier, which would normally have sent me spiralling. But I stayed strong and calm. And told them to shove their attitude where the sun don't shine grin

I feel strong and calm and very capable atm.

slatternlymother Wed 16-Jan-13 21:40:03

starfish sorry I missed the paragraph about his disability sad that must be hard on you. thanks

Doshusallie Wed 16-Jan-13 21:52:13

2 salmon steaks with roasted red cabbage.

Dh - you don't cook red cabbage like that
Me - it's delish have you tried some?
Dh - no, but if you were a cook you would know that you don't cook red cabbage like that
Me - you should try it. It's delish ( spot the theme?)

I shredded it, drizzled in oil, liberally sprinkled with salt, added lots of butter and roasted for about 25 minutes. Have I mentioned it was delish?

helpingout Wed 16-Jan-13 21:53:48

It is in the recipe section. Pork mince, garlic, lime juice, coriander and a few other bits and bobs. The peanut sauce is lush. You end up with loads from one tablespoon. Not good at links sorry!

bawdster Wed 16-Jan-13 22:11:20

thank you for the warm welcome ! and some great recipe ideas and thank you for the link . very looking forward to loosing the unwanted pounds :-)

cathyandclaire Wed 16-Jan-13 22:32:09

Ooh loving the chicken/ Parma ham recipe... Thanks for that! I've been stuck on the same old same old, running around after dds and grabbing stuff rather than cooking properly
B: fried egg, mushrooms, bacon
S: ff yog
L : chicken salad
D : celery, pâté, st agur

Planning a more exciting menu tomorrow....

starfish so sorry to hear that - sounds really tough sad

slatternly well done for staying calm and being firm.

ruprekt chorizo dammit knew there was something I'd forgotten from today's ubershop (thought I had it covered - from the Baldrickesque turnips & swede and Dr Who celeriac to mundane celery, gem lettuce, kale, spinach to coconut oil and sushi nori) and now I am going to have to go and get Parma ham too as that chicken sounds amaaazing!

Right off for a nightcap. Or rather, before BIWI gets out her stick, a herbal tea.

Bawdster- helloooo and welcome grin

SavoirFaire Wed 16-Jan-13 23:15:39

Just checking in. My day:
B: eggs and butter
L: Mackeral with kale and cauliflower
D: Roast chicken with skin, spinach, celeriac chips and mayo

Going to go and read back now, so sorry for ignoring what's gone on above. If I have time I'll post again. It's so hard to keep up!

uberalice Wed 16-Jan-13 23:29:54

I've been low carbing for about 3 months and DH has just pointed out that I've not been feeling the cold as much as usual this winter. I assumed we'd been having a milder winter, but now on cold frosty mornings, I'm noticing that I feel warmer than last year. Anyone else noticed this?

Valdeeves Thu 17-Jan-13 00:02:39

Starfish - glad you are ok.
Chicken Parma ham recipe I saw after I cooked so that's going to be a weekend dish I think!

Breakfast - two eggs in mayo and pepper/salt

Lunch: pork scratchings (just wasn't hungry)

We had roast chicken with a sauce I made - pretty sure it must have come from my scan of the recipe thread as it wasn't setting I've cooked before. Sauce was shallots, baby leeks, mushrooms, garlic with black pepper and and one rasher of bacon - plus pinch salt - sautéed in cream and butter. Accompanied by celeriac and courgette rolled in curry powder and olive oil (someone wrote this tip early on - amazing!)

I've never thought of myself as a good cook but this is really helping me improve by experimenting. The above was really nice who Evers recipe it was!
Still don't know my weight but I've lost am inch of my big tummy.
How do people work the water thing? I'm trying hard but it's still a struggle.

Happy birthday valdeeves! Glad you enjoyed your food.

Tip for water is to get a bottle with a sports top and refill during the day. There is some sciencey thing where it is easier to drink like that.

Happy birthday to MsRinky for today and welcome to the 40 club! Have a fab day

vnmum Thu 17-Jan-13 07:22:39

happy birthday valdeeves and mrsrinky.
I am bracing myself for the snow we are expecting tomorrow. doesn't help that my car seems to pack up when it's cold, I so want a new one.
glad to see everyone doing well smile

Happy happy birthdays Valdeeves and MrsRinsky and forgot to say before welcome to bawdster!

Yes val that was the chicken thing I had a couple of nights ago (except I forgot about the bacon) - its really good isn't it - thank you to whoever posted it!

halfthesize Thu 17-Jan-13 08:18:55

morning allbrew
thanks happy birthday valdeeves and MsRinsky have fab days.
like you vnmum we are expecting more snow we had lows of-8 last night and not been above -4 in the day since Tuesday. luckily I'm still stuck at homewink

happy birthday valdeeves and msrinky!

just v quickly - be careful with aubergine parmigiana as it can have breadcrumbs in it, though not always

captainmummy Thu 17-Jan-13 08:26:57

Happy birthday MrsR and Valdeeves!

Dosh -I cooked a red cabbage yesterday (love it) but wish i'd tried your roasted red cabbage ! Sounds delish...........

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 08:34:08

Just had a massive breakfast of sausage, egg, bacon and mushrooms.

<rolls about fatly>

It was bloody lovely.

Heading out to town today, popping into M&S for a few bits. Anyone got any good suggestions of LC foods I can pick up? <feeling posh>

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 08:34:53

And Happy birthday MrsR and Valdeeves! thanks

Morning all and Happy Birthday to the birthday girls winkthanks

skandi1 Thu 17-Jan-13 08:52:33

Happy birthday mrsr and val thanks

Gless. Thanks for the info. I have not had spots or bumps. Mine is the red tomato face kind. Ugh. I hope mine will improve. Anything which would help it, would help my current flagging spirits. Can get you down can't it.

Feel ok this am. Long sleep. DH already phoned from work to complain about having to deal with DS over night. To be fair, I do it all the time because of DHs very busy and important job. But one measly night isn't too much to ask is it. DS is 18mo and needs to get with the program before I lose my marbles.

Given the chilly weather I guess a sticky afternoon at soft play beckons. Ugh. It's that or freeze my rear off in the park. Joy.

Breakfast was egg white omelette cooked in coconut oil.

MsRinky Thu 17-Jan-13 08:58:58

Morning lovelies, thanks for the birthday wishes. My 40th birthday present to myself was another pound off this morning. My 40th birthday present from MrRinky with a little bit of help from me is the most beautiful ring. I can't stop looking at its twinkly gorgeousness.

Am heading off into ThatLondon soon for a twirl around the shops and tonight am going to Dinner for dinner. As it's Heston thingy, he'll have magicked all the carbs out of everything, so I shall eat what the hell I like sensibly.

GinotPrigio Thu 17-Jan-13 09:00:06

Happy Birthday MsRinky Hope you have a lovely birthday. Your ring sounds beautiful. Are you going to the Fat Duck for dinner? Wow, that will be amazing!

MsRinky Thu 17-Jan-13 09:04:18

Not the Fat Duck, this place http://www.dinnerbyheston.com/

Not so molecular but supposed to be very good. Am excited !

cathyandclaire Thu 17-Jan-13 09:07:54

Happy birthday valdeeves and mrsrinky!

Enjoy Dinner, if it's Heston any carbs will be so heavily disguised you can pretend they're not there grin...<helpful tip> this will be easier after several glasses of wine.

Goulash meatballs for us with cabbage- while you're swanning around being glamorous in the capital, think of us in the Frozen North huddling together in the snow and eating like Russian peasants grin

PennyHofstadter Thu 17-Jan-13 09:17:08

Happy birthday to the birthday girls today.

I'm just going to have a whinge if nobody minds. I've only lost 3.75lb in a week. I'm just a bit disheartened when I read of others on the thread who've lost that in 2-3 days. Since Monday I've only lost 0.5lb. I admit it's TOTM but as it's the first week I hoped I would still lose despite the extra water storage that comes with this particular event.

halfthesize Thu 17-Jan-13 09:18:22

MsRinsky so jealous of your new sparkly ringenvy bet it's gorge.

skandi sleep deprevation is just the most awful thing, my sympathies are with you thanks

GinotPrigio Thu 17-Jan-13 09:21:53

MsRinky that place looks brilliant! And if its all food based around 1600's then surely it will be low carb! When did people start eating grains??!!

cathyandclaire Thu 17-Jan-13 09:26:09

Penny that is FAB weight loss, especially as it is TOM, just keep going and it will woosh off one day. I found I lose a few pounds then stall and wobble around that weight for AGES then lose another couple and so on. It's not steady, it's frustratingly unpredictable but the weight will go smile

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 09:26:55

MsR you lucky thing! I am jealous of your lovely gift and meal out! Report back on Heston envy

Bleuuurgh, I've put on 1/2 a lb this morning...despite having a great days food and being very active and drinking 3 ltrs of water. I think this is precisely why I need to stop weighing every day sad.

gloriafloria Thu 17-Jan-13 09:33:13

Morning all,

Very happy birthday to msrinky and valdeeves have a brilliant day! And a warm welcome to any newcomers.

Feeling brilliant, I'm down 10lbs today from 7th and have so much more energy and motivation to actually do things. Going to tackle my wardrobe that is bursting with mainly clothes I haven't worn for years and get rid of most of it. I've been meaning to do this for the last 3 years blush but have been too lazy busy.

penny don't feel disheartened. I noticed I lost most of mine last week in the first 4 days and then only a pound in the next 3 and 3.75 in a week is a v good loss!

Ooh and HB to MsRinsky and valdeeves thanks.

gloriafloria Thu 17-Jan-13 09:37:17

thatgirlsevil yes I agree I keep telling myself too step away from the scales. Seriously think I'm going to lock them away somewhere so they only come out on Monday. I'm sure that half is just a blip with the scales.

Lavenderhoney Thu 17-Jan-13 09:38:55

Saw my doc today and he said although I have lost weight, very good, it's not moving from my tummy. He said I need to work on that which will be harder for me with cs history. I said I used to do Pilates and he giggled! And said yes but when did you stop? Forcing me to admit it was a long time ago..

But the woe was ok for me he said, so onwards and back to the shred thread for me, though will just use it for exercise support as I need to look after my back a bit and do stretches. Loads of water today. I find it easier now I have a big glass when I get up. Sets me up for the day.

NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 09:40:06

Happy Birthday MsR and valdeeves thanks

Cold start here- waiting for the nice British Gas man to fix my boiler <sob>. I don't do cold very well, I want a hot sugary tea and several rounds of toast sad

skandi1 Thu 17-Jan-13 09:43:03

Halfthesize. Yes it is. I imagine it is very effective as a form of torture. After a bad night with DS, I would cheerfully confess to Anything if I could go to bed for 12 hours. Sad but true.

It sadly also makes me a bad mum and wife as I am too tired to really do anything sensible other than exists. It's so bad sometimes that I can't actually talk. But hey you all know what I am talking about here.

Will stop whining and attempt entertaining the DC.

halfthesize Thu 17-Jan-13 09:57:33

I have a DS2 who is nearly 4 and he was a nightmare sleep wise for 18months, he is still not consistent, but its a lot better now. I know what you mean re feeling like a bad parent/wife but I'm sure your not.

You just have to do what you can to get through, with me that entailed a lot of co sleeping for first 18 monthshmm I know its frowned upon but it got me through. I had 2 other DC to also deal with and 2 hours sleep a night is a killer.

I really hope things improve for you soon thanks

breakfast here was coffee and cream as no appetite.

halfthesize Thu 17-Jan-13 09:59:03

last message for skandi sorry forgot to say.

Hope everyone has a great day, its nearly the weekend and more snow on the way, my DC are super excitedgrin

Doshusallie Thu 17-Jan-13 10:01:08

Happy Birthday Mrs R and Valdeeves!

NoveltySlippers Thu 17-Jan-13 10:15:21

Happy Birthday hoorays for MsR and Valdeeves!

And MsRinky - I am sooooooo envy at going to Hestons. Did you see the last Masterchef final where they went to the Fat Duck? It was honestly the most amazing Masterchef I'd ever seen. Am sure other place will be just as fab - without the nitrogen!

Skand1 I don't have roseacea but I'm a big fan of Green People and I saw on their website they have a special page dedicated to roseacea. Might be worth a look? www.greenpeople.co.uk/rosacea-skin-care-products.aspx

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 10:38:42

Penny - 3.75lbs in a week is a brilliant loss! Ongoing, sustainable weight loss should be around 1-2lbs, and you have way exceeded that.

Don't be put off by other people's losses. This isn't a competition

And if it's your TOM, you are likely to find it harder to lose.

Just keep on keeping on. You are doing a great job.

Happy birthday MsR and Valdeeves!

I do not want snow. DS2 has an AS re-sit tomorrow and has to be at college for his exam at 9am. He's at 6th form college which is a good 20 minutes drive away from here, or a short train journey - but roads/rail usually go to pot when the snow comes.

NoveltySlippers Thu 17-Jan-13 10:46:03

Oh no! Fingers crossed for you no snow tomorrow BIWI.

NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 10:57:16

I just made this cheese and ham Thing.

I arranged slices of cheese in the frying pan to form a slice of bread shape blush then placed on top some slices of ham, and dollops of mayo. Then I put cheese slices on top and fried. To make a fried cheese sandwich, if you will smile

Anyhoo, it didn't work so don't anyone try it. It didn't hold its shape and I ended up having to scrape it out of the pan onto the plate. It was just a big greasy cheesy and ham and mayo LUMP

what's not to like

NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 10:58:00

Am also not wishing for snow.

NoveltySlippers Thu 17-Jan-13 11:05:39

haha - love the experimentation though Noel! At least you tried smile

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 11:10:55

Somebody was asking - can't remember who, I'm sorry, nor if it was this thread - what I meant when I referred to three nutrients. I meant fat, protein and carbohydrates.

Rollergirl1 Thu 17-Jan-13 11:12:07

MsRinky: I went to Dinner by Heston for lunch for my birthday back at the end of November. It was amaze balls. Very pricey though. I was also low-carbing at the time and I think I managed quite well. DH and I had the Rib of Hereford Prime (is for 2) that came with triple cooked chips. I didn't have any of the chips (or perhaps one or two tops) and ordered a side of Green beans and shallots instead.

I then went and killed the rest of the afternoon in Harvey Nicks. A dream day.

I hope you have a lovely time. Tell us what you went for!

NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 11:14:15

Oh I'm definitely a trier grin

I'm always amazed by some of the fab recipes that other people manage to come up with, just wish I could come up with something myself! I'm not actually a bad cook, but I think Heston's safe

I just had a very late brunch of pancetta cubes fried until crispy topped with two fried eggs. Followed by fried halloumi followed by a little gem lettuce!!!! Delish!

NoveltySlippers Thu 17-Jan-13 12:15:48

Hmm. Sounds lovely MrsHP. <adds pancetta to shopping list>

Highly recommend this snack - sushi nori wraps with tuna and cucumber (I have done slivers of a bit of tuna steak I am having for supper, sushi style, but it would be good with tinned too I reckon).

Having it with fennel tea with generous spoon of coconut oil, for the fat. Have to say I'm not quite convinced by the coconut oil in fennel tea (it's fine, and a good way of getting extra fat, but a bit meh) - maybe it would be better in chai tea - will try and report back.

NewStartSameStory Thu 17-Jan-13 12:52:01

uberalice I am still walking around without a coat. Admittedly I am aclimatised to it but I am feeling the cold less then last year too. Unfortunately for me I have reynaulds and if I can't feel the cold it causes me more problems cos I get cold without feeling it. Having a few issues with chill blanes as a result. Mind you I still don't own a coat so I am my worst enemy.

ChoosandChips - I second the sushi nori with tuna and cucumber! Love how if you make it straight out of the pack you get a nice bit of chew from the nori. Yum! grin

Im doing the beef casserole tonight (didnt do it yesterday) I have to leave at 3 to get the kids, would gas mark 3 for 2 hours do, then another hour when I get in? Or should it be on gas mark 1 now until 3, and then when I get back in?

Really need to get a slow cooker! Cant afford to at the moment though, and the bloody kettle is on its way out too.....

Hello again all! Am envious of you lot not feeling the cold - having lost 1/3 (ish) of my body weight, I am most definitely feeling it, without my insulating fat layer. This from someone who lives without central heating!

Also, to those trying to lose from the tummy area - I'm an apple shape, and the first 3 stone came off everywhere apart from my tummy - I got slimmer legs, smaller boobies, even thinner fingers (my rings got loose), but still the tummy stayed there. It's only in the post-Christmas period (and this may have something to do with giving up the booze) that it's begun to deflate. I think that's where my remaining 17 lbs are sitting! It's actually really strange to look down and not see it there...

We're going out for Sunday lunch this weekend, and I'm looking forward to the starter, which is pan fried scallops with crispy pancetta and a cauliflower puree. Perfect low carb fare - plus the recipe is on the restaurant's website, so I can try it myself at home afterwards. I'll probably go for roast pork belly for the main course, with lots of veggies on the side - can't wait!

Doshusallie Thu 17-Jan-13 13:40:40

2 bacon 2 fried egg on buttery roasted red cabbage for lunch. It rivalled yesterday's lunch! have found I can also drink my tea black now.........

NoveltySlippers Thu 17-Jan-13 13:45:10

GuyMartins I was looking at slow cookers the other day....Amazon have a lot of good deals. You can get decent ones that are reduced at the moment from about £15.

Ilovemyteddy Thu 17-Jan-13 13:51:55

Oh that's interesting Furry. I've lost almost 1/3 of my body weight and have lost it everywhere except my tummy. I hardly ever drink so can't blame that. I'm only planning to lose another 7lbs because I'm 54 and don't want my face to look too gaunt, but I may have to try and lose another 14lbs if the tummy is to go.

Happy Birthday to the birthdays girls thanks

MsR I was in That London for my birthday on Saturday and there are loads of great sales still on. Enjoy Heston's!

captainmummy Thu 17-Jan-13 13:52:45

I got my slow-cooker from tesco when they were doing the clubcard exchange thingy - was i think £12, i got it for £5 clubcard points Not sure if they are doing the exchange again tho.

PostBellumBugsy Thu 17-Jan-13 14:17:02

Congrats Furry & Ilove on all that weight loss - fantastic.

Another one not hoping for snow - although it looks very inevitable. DD has an exam tomorrow morning & they've said it will go ahead regardless of the weather - groan!!!!! They must have aparating invigilators to be so sure, is all I can think.

I don't weigh, but I'm 3 weeks into boot camp & clothes are definitely looser and a couple of people have commented on how "well" I look. There is no doubt this WOE is so much better for my skin. I don't know how to describe it but my skin looks more plumped up and my pores are definitely smaller. I had horrible break outs at the end of the first week, but they've all gone now.

Doshusallie Thu 17-Jan-13 14:33:13

snow forecast here for tomorrow, (annoying as it means schools will be closed and I wanted to go to the gym [shallow/selfish]) and again next Tuesday.

I'm intrigued by the ham and cheese 'thing' grin

Sitting here with a snack of olives and manchego and a large glass of water. I'm in your club too skandi, my children tag teamed me last night with asthma attacks, wet beds, broccoli sicks, poo, and bad dreams. <yawn> Coffee?

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 14:53:15

skandi1 I bet you're a lovely mum thanks

I didn't end up going for lunch in the end!! We went into town, got some bits and bobs at the shops, wandered about and had a lovely time, but after our massive fry up breakfast (low carb of course!) we just weren't hungry! So came home and had some natural yoghurt instead shock

What has happened to my inner glutton?! I NEVER PASS UP LUNCH!

NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 14:57:42

I'm just going to vent here, please ignore...

The effin boiler repair man is STILL NOT HERE! Between 8am and 1pm they said, 8 until 1!!


NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 15:02:05

Booked a day off work for nothing, I would have finished at half two anyway.

Well that's it, he's blown it- he's not getting a brew now, no sirree

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 15:03:19

noel ring up and do some shouting!!

halfthesize Thu 17-Jan-13 15:04:03

Noel this may cheer you up, im bored and found link on another thread, it made me laugh


NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 15:07:18

I daren't slatternly, in case he doesn't turn up at all <chicken shit emoticon>

Thanks half ill have a look!

No lunch slatternly? shock

I was hoping to live vicariously through your copious fish eating!

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 15:11:58

I came home and had some ff natural yoghurt, but only because of bootcamp rules, or otherwise I honestly wouldn't have bothered.

No fear, I am planning on a second attempt tomorrow, fear not wink

AuntieMaggie Thu 17-Jan-13 15:20:26

Ok what do I need to see me through chesty cough/sore throat combined with manky taste in mouth that isn't going to mess up my weight loss???

captainmummy Thu 17-Jan-13 15:30:04

AuntieMaggie - cough medicines dont' work anyway. Seriously, they don't. You'd be better with the bowl of boiling water/towel over head inhalation technique.

Taste in mouth? Water and more water!

Hmm, paracetamol, plenty of chicken broth? Some of the bouillons are carb free/v v low. Chilli, cumin, turmeric and ginger in your cooking. Go easy on dairy.

Sorry you're feeling rotten.

AuntieMaggie Thu 17-Jan-13 15:36:47

Thank you ladies... don't really fancy anything to eat/not hungry so probably won't be cooking. Might have to sneak in a hot blackcurrant (sugar free) without the honey I would normally put in it to soothe my throat. DP is ill too (though obviously much worse than me wink) which is where I've got it from so can't even get him to look after me sad

halfthesize Thu 17-Jan-13 15:41:08

AuntieMaggie get well soonthanks, I use the vicks in boiling water with towel over head also its fab.

skandi1 Thu 17-Jan-13 15:56:01

Slatternly. Thanks. smile

Starfish. That sounds awful! At least one of mine sleeps. Even though DS tries to make up for that. Fingers crossed for a better night eh.

Too right Skandi. Mine are usually good but we appear to be having a blip hmm

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 16:24:39

M&S chilled Sticky BBQ flavour chicken wings are 4.7g per 100g of carbs and on 3 packs for £6 on mix n match at the moment. Stay away from the spicey ones though as they are 5.7g.

Could we start a thread for finds do you think, to save time on shopping? And like Helmann's big jars of mayo are on half price atm in Sainsbo's. Useful little nuggets of information thread might be, er, useful?

NoelHeadbands Thu 17-Jan-13 16:25:23

The nice man fixed my boiler grin

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 16:25:42

starfish your DH is home today, am I right? Maybe kids are a bit over excited?

Waitrose have winter meals for £5 where you can choose a meat an two veg. They had whole chickens, broccoli and green beans as some if tr various options!

He's just got home grin. Making tea. Oh how I love that man grin

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 17:16:48

Re losing weight from your tummy. If your tummy is bigger to start with, then you are carrying more fat there.

When we lose weight, it seems to me that we lose it proportionately - i.e. at the same rate from all over. Therefore, your tummy will still look bigger. It's only when you've got rid of the fat else where that your body will start on the tummy area.

Certainly for me, I've lost two stones. It was only, literally, in the last few weeks before Christmas I began to see - when I looked in the mirror - that I had lost weight, because the fat on my torso (above and below the navel) was finally disappearing.

Does that make sense?

Ilovemyteddy Thu 17-Jan-13 17:59:00

That does make sense. I have a muffin top where I used to have a whole muffin! It's a PITA because, now I am wearing more fitted clothes, it spoils the shape of what I am wearing. Off for a gym and swim tonight. Think I'll given that big ball a real thrashing grin

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 18:01:34

teddy - are you going to the Mumsnet Briffa day?

There's a Briffa Day? <kow tows>

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 18:04:41

Yep - Mumsnet Academy have organised a day on 27 Jan (I think) to be run by Dr John Briffa. I'm going, and I wondered if any other Bootcampers were going to be there

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 18:05:34

Thanks BIWI, would have loved to go but forgot for a second I don't live in London anymore and can't just hop on the tube! Shame...

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 18:28:13


Ilovemyteddy Thu 17-Jan-13 18:30:13

I'm still deciding whether to go because the trains are shite on a Sunday. Do you know whether I could pay on the day? Would love to give the man a big hug for changing my life! And you know exactly where it is in That London?

I'd love to go to the Briffa day - not sure I can afford it though, with the train fare on top - and as Ilove says, the trains can be a nightmare on a Sunday if there are engineering works (I'd be coming from Hove, which diverts via Portsmouth when this happens, takes 2 hours). Hmm...will have to think about it and check on forthcoming rail issues.

Ilove - it looks like we have similar goals (just checked the spreadsheet) - you're 10lbs (ish) ahead of me! I'm 53, and I think you're right about needing to keep a bit of flesh on us - I am wrinkly enough already, really!

BIWI I probably am losing proportionately (had a VERY big tummy!), but it seems so unfair that my fingers are skinny, when I really don't care much about them!

Yama Thu 17-Jan-13 18:57:42

Thanks Skandi for the suggestion of coconut oil in herbal tea. I am looking forward to trying in peppermint tea once the kids are in bed.

Lovely surprise this morning - the scales said 9.13 and a half. Nice to break the 10 stone barrier.


B - 2 scrambled eggs with butter and cheese.
L - Spinach leaves with pate and sausage
S - Yoghurt
D - Frying steak, leek meatballs and fried leeks in butter with Philly.

Ruprekt Thu 17-Jan-13 19:11:56

ANother good day here.

B - FF yog and cup of tea

S - coleslaw and celery

L - Chorizo, salad, coleslaw,

D - tomato and basil chicken (with no tomato),celeriac mash with butter and cream, salad
Cheese board

BigStickBIWI Thu 17-Jan-13 19:18:12

teddy - I don't know yet where it is - I don't think they've announced it yet. But I'll chase ...

NewStartSameStory Thu 17-Jan-13 19:29:09

FurryDogMother i think it helps the not feeling cold that I chose to spend around 20hrs a week between -5 and -10C even in summer. Although i did get funny looks from a few coppers last week when it was -4C and I was walking around in a t-shirt at 1am. Car did have the heating up but the lack of wind meant it was fairly pleasant. probably just a bit weird wrt this blush

Happy birthday to the birthday girls!

yama well done! The next stone mark is always brilliant to see.

Yama Thu 17-Jan-13 19:33:50

Thanks MrsHP - I've between dropping a quarter pound a day or nothing so to drop a whole half pound elicited a smile out of me I must admit. smile

And yes, BIWI I know it's not all about losing weight. I do feel much healthier, skin clear, more energy etc but to see a change in the left hand number on the scales was nice.

This time next week I'll be sitting in a different house. Exciting.

slatternlymother Thu 17-Jan-13 19:50:18

yama well done, and good luck on your house move.

Right, tomorrow I'm going to eat a lighter breakfast but we are going here

There isn't a lot of safe stuff is there? I'm thinking I'm limited to the chargrilled chicken with house salad and steamed green beans. Can anyone give me a second choice if the chicken is off the menu?