I had my hypno gastric band 'fitted' by Paul McKenna last night...

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lynniep Fri 11-Jan-13 11:01:11

...so far so good! Admittedly its not even 11am yet, but I havent eaten my snacks which are sitting on my desk and not even tempting me! Normally I don't allow myself anything till 10am, then I pounce!

I am doing this in conjunction with weightwatchers, which Paul McKenna would not approve of, since he despises 'diet clubs' (boy does this come through loud and clear in his book).

However since I don't know the man personally, and I feel I need the WW sessions for support, I am carrying on with pro- pointing and hoping that my gastric band will provide the backup I need to not binge and eat more than my body needs.

I've been (back) on weightwatchers for several months now and failed miserably because I am both a compulsive eater and a (hopefully) reformed bulimic.

I'd like to think this will help me - and I'm willing to try it because I am now as heavy as I was just after I gave birth to DS2 3 years ago (my heaviest, unless you count when I was 40 weeks pg!)

If anyone is interested I will report back smile

lynniep Fri 11-Jan-13 13:21:23

this is a bit strange actually. It got to lunchtime (1pm at work) and I still wasnt that interested in eating. I am currently looking at my lunch which is a lovely bowl of stew and mash, but its not having that much appeal. I dont actually feel any different. But I'm not consumed with the desire to eat like I usually am. Bit to early to shout 'RESULT!!' yet though...

LegoAcupuncture Fri 11-Jan-13 13:23:40

I am doing similar, WW and using the virtual gastric bypass app on my ipad. Same as you, not entirely fussed about food.

Good luck!

Erebus Fri 11-Jan-13 13:49:39

Keep us posted!


WildThong Fri 11-Jan-13 13:53:39

how does it work and where can I get one??

lynniep Fri 11-Jan-13 14:04:04

I'm a bit worried its not working like it should - as in I'm supposed to 'feel' full as you would after having a real one fitted because the idea is your subconcious thinks you've had the op.

I didnt feel full after my lunch (I probably did - but I felt the same as normal i.e. I put the food in until it was finished - I dont really recognise 'full' which is part of the process but maybe I didnt do that bit right)

I am still feeling indifferent to eating though, so I guess that will do me!

Its this

Got mine today! Reading book tonight. V hopeful!

mrsminniemouse Sat 12-Jan-13 12:17:23

I've been doing Paul McKenna Hypnotic Gastric Band since 1 st jan. lost 4lb so far with little effort. Less bothered about food now. Fingers crossed it continues x

lynniep Sat 12-Jan-13 22:26:18

today was fine too. had friend come to visit so got pizza in. managed on just a 1/4 and didn't feel the need for more. my 5 year old ate more than me. even better, we had tacos for tea. I could barely eat one never mind both (although I did eat both because I need to eat all my propoints) it took me about half an hour though instead.of about five minutes. dh couldn't believe it either cos he knows what I can pack away smile

poorpaws Sun 13-Jan-13 00:04:12

So (excuse my ignorance) I assume its a DVD which you listen to and are hypnotised by ? and a book ?
I saw Paul McKenna on Loose Women and he had inadvertantly hypnotised himself and most of his crew and all were losing weight.
Sounds just what I need after a night of heavy bingeing so I need to know from you where I buy it please.

lynniep Sun 13-Jan-13 10:10:06

there's a link further up. its called hypno gastric band and its on amazon. he was promoting it on mn earlier this week.

poorpaws Sun 13-Jan-13 23:29:31

Thank you so much. Had a good look and its fascinating but wonder if its too good to be true. I will give it a try; again many thanks.

lynniep Mon 14-Jan-13 10:23:48

It does sound too good to be true, but it also does seem to be working. I mean I've only been on it 3 days so its a bit too early to tell, but I seem to have aquired the mindset that DH has naturally. Which is: eat when hungry - first few mouthfuls - very nice - then loss of interest so eating purely to satisfy hunger.

I still have my 'normal' head telling me 'its biscuit time' - but the other subconcious ' not hungry dont eat' messages seem to be stronger.

I've not had that before. Its quite wierd. I have spent my life having 'inner battles' inside my head and normally the 'stuff it in' voice wins. I have binged without any joy purely because I'm compelled to eat it. I dont really taste it and I certainly dont have fun doing bingeing. What I'm striving for is to get away from any kind of bingeing. (this has the knock on effect of my bulimia returning) so anything that removes the compulsion to eat - for me thats a winner.

Seriously - yesterday I had to conciously eat more to get to my 26 ww propoints.

WhyIRayLiotta Mon 14-Jan-13 11:36:24

It sounds great - do you buy the book and then the CD or DVD separately?

lynniep Mon 14-Jan-13 12:17:30

No - you just buy the book. It comes with the DVD and CD. Basically, you read the book cover to cover and watch the DVD (DVD is only short - shows you 'havening' technique which improves your mood apparently)

Only when you've read the book and learnt the Havening technique (ok I'm not so great with that) should you listen to the CD (took me about and hour to read) You need to try to follow his rules as well - basically the main one is that you MUST sit down and concentratre on your food and chew slowly and 20 times per mouthful if possible. You arent allowed to watch telly whilst eating or generally shovel it in without thought. This is the main 'concious' input from you. I have actually found that bit the hardest as I'm always doing something else while eating. But its to try and get away from the literally mindless habit of hand to mouth eating which contributes to bingeing.

hayleymac Mon 14-Jan-13 13:37:21

hello ladies im new to this after reading the above post i joined.

I just brought this book today cannot wait to finishw ork and read it x

WhyIRayLiotta Mon 14-Jan-13 16:40:55

Thanks linniep I might give it a go I've failed with everything else!

I downloaded the app for the virtual gastric band and did it for the first time today. It was nice and relaxing.

Uppermid Wed 16-Jan-13 20:53:16

Have just ordered it. Will update with (hopefully good) results

Movingforward123 Wed 16-Jan-13 22:35:40

Hi do you know how much the app is?

I tried the old Paul McKenna but it didn't seem to work for me confused I know others had had great results on mn though!

LexyBear Thu 17-Jan-13 22:35:26

Hey, first ever post :-) interested to hear how people are getting on with it? I got 3/4 way through it tonight and got interrupted and had to stop! Furious! Will try again in morning but wondered...how long did you leave between pre installation and actual fitting trance and at what point do you stop counting backwards from 300!
I've never listened to any hypno things before so was a complete newbie!
Any advice or comments appreciated xx

lynniep Fri 18-Jan-13 10:01:05

I did it all in one evening - read the book, watched the DVD a couple of times, listened to the pre-installation, then went to bed in the spare room and did the trance cd. I gave up counting I think the first time at about 150! I remember thinking -is he going to tell me I can stop now? But it seems to be working.

I've been on it week (as I said in conjunction with ww) and lost 2.5lb this week. I am just not as bothered about food and dont wolf it down (last night for instance I had lots of propoints left, so I treated myself and my friend to a GU pudding I got on the reduced shelf at Tesco. Go me smile It took me about 20 minutes to eat it and I wouldnt have been that fussed if she'd cleared it away - I could have stopped eating it. This is bizarre behaviour from someone who last week would have probably eaten it in less than a minute and would then be hunting down something else to eat.

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Fri 18-Jan-13 10:22:10

Very interesting.

There was a 'virtual gastric band' offered on Nectar points the other day for £20, I was very tempted but didn't really know anything about it and had just bought the Gillian Ripley book so thought I should read/try that first.... very interested to see how you all get on. Though I suspect I'd lose weight if I just stopped eating mindlessly while the TV is on as I get bored eating like that

lynniep Fri 18-Jan-13 10:25:13

I've seen quite a few virtual gastric band offers through groupon and the like recently too - but tbh they've all cost more than the PM book. I've read the Gillian Ripley book too (and a pile of others) and I've also had therapy for my eating disorder. Nothing else has worked. So I'm a bit of a fan of this PM cd as you can tell!

I just had my graze box delivered too as they we doing a half price offer. This is the ultimate test. I love my graze boxes and can easily eat them all in one go. I'm only allowed one today ;)

trixymalixy Fri 18-Jan-13 10:28:57

Mynsister had gastric band hypnotherapy through a groupon exactly a year ago. So far she has lost 7 stone, 2 to go.

I bought the book in the New Year sale but wanted to finish all the Christmas chocs before I started it! naughty

I'm going to read it today and do the CD sometime this weekend. I've flicked through the book, and it is an interesting read - really about changing your relationship with food and eating.

LexyBear Sat 19-Jan-13 08:24:45

So I listened again yesterday - without interruptions this time lol - and at lunch I made an omelet, I ate half and thought I could leave that but the old me kicked in and thought no I want it though so I finished it. At dinner last night when I was half - three quarters way through I knew I'd had enough and left it. Just now at breakfast I ate one slice of toast (when if I'm honest on a sat morning it might have been 4!)

So far so good...I'm not probably as aware as I could be with signals, I'm not sure I pick up on them properly after years of obvs ignoring them but last night and today when I "think" about it I know I've had enough and just stopped.

Hope everyone getting on okay with it x

My gastric band app only cost £4.99 - the lite version is free.

I'm on day 4 and its great so far smile

Lucyfer7000 Sat 19-Jan-13 20:36:52

Hi Lynnie,

Well done on following the plan so far. My partner and I have started it a week ago and I'm finding it a little easier than he is - he's struggling with the full signal too but he'll get there.

I read your posts and just wanted to comment on the counting thing. i've done other hyposis programmes before and while I'm no expert at all, I do find that for myself, I feel a change very quickly and I stop counting - 297 in the case of this plan - and I don't then keep up with the numbers. I find my consciousness seems to drop three times or so through the CD so I presume it's working. My chap stopped counting and lost this thread then picked it up again. If I understood the instructions correctly, it doesn't matter if you count or not - it's the fact the messages he's saying while you're counting are going in that matters (Hypnosis experts please feel free to correct me) I actually don't count. I listen to his count and that works for me.

On another point, hoping I don't sound critical, I am a bit worried for you with the WW points issue. i've never done WW so I don't know the pitfalls of not having all your points but I would say that it's probably conflicting to deliberately ignore the full signals on this and finish all the points when you don't want tem and the band programme is making you feel like you've eaten enough. What would happen if you didn't eat all your points? And could you speak to your WW rep and see what they say? (I'm sure they won't love that you're doing a plan that isn't theirs but is it worth a conversation?).

From doing the plan this far, I find I want to eat so much less than I used to and I don't think I could keep eating beyond that feeling if I wanted to. I'm concerned that keeping going eating will fight with the band for you and the plan may not work as it should. The point of the first few weeks seems to be to retrain the system and stomach to eat less overall so maybe you aren't meant to want everything on your WW plan?

What do you think?

I'm going to get this!

ControlGeek Sat 19-Jan-13 22:38:31

lynnie I'm doing WW and PM's hypno gastric band too, but I've long since stopped worrying about eating all of my WW daily points. I got to a point where I was having to force myself to eat stuff I didn't want, just to hit the magic 26. Now, if I'm not feeling particularly hungry (which is most of the time to be fair) I just make sure I have higher points stuff - a bit of extra cheese on top of my jacket spud with beans, or an extra rasher of bacon in my sandwich. Chances are I still won't hit 26 points, I tend to only do that on days when I am drinking.

As long as your meals are healthy, and you have a couple of days a week where you have at least your 26 (a good roast dinner, or a takeout or something) my leader says it's better than eating past your full point.

TheFallenNinja Sat 19-Jan-13 22:52:22

I'm getting him to fit some hypno-pecs and do some hypno-lipo. smile

SparePants Sun 20-Jan-13 12:37:22

Nice to see others doing this. I had my virtual gastric band "installed" last Weds and I seem to be doing ok so far. I need to lose 4 stone and am a compulsive over-eater/sugar addict. At first I thought that the hypno hadn't worked as I didn't feel any different afterward and still wanted to stuff my face! However, I've found the havening exercise really useful for refocusing and giving myself a little endorphin rush when I'd normally be reaching for the nearest chocolate. Just doing the arm stroking works wonders. Wish I'd discovered this years ago!
Anyway, things are going well and I'm not nearly so obsessed with where my next mouthful is coming from. I'm following the golden rules and stopping when I've eaten about half what I normally would. I struggle a bit as I don't seem to get that comfortably full signal but hopefully that will come as I retrain my system.
I've done many many diets over the years but this is the first time I've felt genuinely optimistic for a long time. It would be really good to stay in touch with others who are doing it to see if it really does work.

SparePants Sun 20-Jan-13 12:38:24

Ooh forgot to say - I lost 6 lbs last week grin

I've ordered it!

ControlGeek Sun 20-Jan-13 14:19:53

arf @ FallenNinja

lynnie I meant to add in my post above (bit addled due to DP being ill and me being high on bleach fumes) WW call those days 'Filling & Healthy' - you don't count points as long as you're eating food from the filling & healthy list, you just eat until you are full. Anything you eat that isn't on the filling and healthy list needs to be pointed, and comes off your weekly allowance.

well done SparePants! 6lb in one week is amazing!

Divster Sun 20-Jan-13 14:20:55

I lost 5lbs in my first week, without even having fitted the band! Just with the 4 golden rules. I love the book, primes the mind ready for the band to be fitted. One thing that has struck me is if you start eating but are not hungry, that is then when you overeat, as there is no stopping point, but to eat when hungry, you can then stop when not hungry any more.

This week has been completely painless, and totally liberating

Charliefox Sun 20-Jan-13 16:28:52

Just bought the book today (half price at WHS). Nearly finished the book which didn't take long as it's all blank pages, big text and the same flippin message over and over again. Doing the DVD and CD later on tonight. Never done anything like this before, so am feeling all positive about it. Just tried the Havening technique and felt like a right blimp though (humming happy birthday - what's that all about then?!). Will come back and update on progress. In the meantime, I'm off to eat giant chocolate buttons, before that mindbender gets his mitts on me and stops me from eating em!

lynniep Sun 20-Jan-13 16:44:46

Lucyfer and CGeek yes you are right. I've now modified my eating again since I originally posted.
I wasn't entirely sure last week what to do and thought that undereating might not be the best way to go about out it hence eating all my points even when I felt full, but I agree it conflicts with how the gastric band is supposed to work, so I'm just stopping when I feel need to, and I go back to it later if I want it.

I've found that snacking on the healthy stuff which is quite high in points (nuts, dried fruit) is a good way for me to up my points a bit too and keeps me going till 'mealtime' if I do feel that tummy rumble (my god - I never thought I'd feel my tummy rumbling again - its bizarre - but in a good way)

SJT62 Tue 22-Jan-13 13:18:58

I've just bought mine, read the book in my lunch hour and will try the CD tonight. I'm feeling optimistic as Paul McKenna certainly sorted my fear of flying.....I even managed to get to New Zealand!

ControlGeek Tue 22-Jan-13 13:23:44

wow SJT62 that is quite a result on your fear of flying!

I have my weigh-in tonight, so will post back how it goes. HGB was 'fitted' last Thursday.

Lynnie when is your weigh-in?

angelabbie Tue 22-Jan-13 14:01:44

hi everyone, I have just read the book and will listen to the CD tonight, its very exciting and lovely to read how you are all getting on,

lynniep Tue 22-Jan-13 15:30:49

Controlgeek - weigh ins are Thursday night for me. I lost 2.5lb last week. I was a mixture of disappointed (in my head, first week weigh-ins should be at least 5lb!) and elated, because I knew I deserved to lose weight.

Thats another mindset I have to change - being content with losing the sensible amount of weight each week, rather than being disappointed because I havent lost loads - I know logically that for instance, losing half a pound is good, because its a loss, and the idea is to chip chip chip away. (and not put all the weight back on you lost like last year - I did a VLCD and did lose over three months, but put nearly 2.5st back on over the year)

I have abused my body so much in the last 25 years I need my head training to react appropriately - the CD seems to have helped with the subconcious part of that which affects my body - but my head still battles with it.

SJT62 Tue 22-Jan-13 15:52:45

I'm looking forward to hearing how people do with it.

SparePants Tue 22-Jan-13 18:40:15

I'm a Thurs night weigher too. I go to Rosemary Conley classes because it's a nice group and it forces me to do some exercise.
I'm still managing to stick to all the rules and find that I'm doing the mindful eating automatically now. I haven't told my dh anything about it and he's most surprised and pleased that he's able to help himself to my leftovers! I was strictly a finish-everything-on-the-plate girl until now.

ControlGeek Tue 22-Jan-13 19:12:10

I had a lovely surprise at WI tonight - 1.5lb off! That's double my average weekly weight loss! I've been losing regularly for almost 15 months now, so I'm well past the point of having a few lbs off in a week. I normally manage 1.5 in a fortnight, so I am very pleased with the result!

I'm still struggling with the emotional eating at work a bit, but nipping to the loo to do the havening technique has helped quite a lot.

Dottiespots Wed 23-Jan-13 03:36:05

Hi.....I do the Paul McKenna ICMYT which is over on another thread. I notice with the "Band" method that alot of you are still doing weight watchers etc but as you know PM does tell you that doing that is a mistake as it will screw up your ability to do the four golden rules. For it to work perfectly band or no band you need to stop the diet mentallity and eat whatever you want when you want it and stop when you are full. Bit like a child does and naturally slim people do. The idea is to reset your mind to not see food as the enemy.

bopper198 Wed 23-Jan-13 07:26:35

Hiya I am doing the gastric band to I listened to the trance on saturday but my kids were chatting through the walls (in there bedrooms) so I might listen to it again when they are asleep.

I think I might try really focusing on the 4 golden rules as I find it hard to stop when im full. I too have had years of eating disorders so I think it takes a while to retrain yourself to react to food like a naturally thin person! It also takes a lot to give up dieting. When I first got the icmyt book I did it and was going to ww. But I just followed the icmyt and got weighed at ww and didnt tell the leader what I was doing. I remember feelig so free when I read that book for the first time. No more points or counting or feeling guilty it was great. So I might reread my icmyt book again.

Has anyone else done the i can make you thin as well?

Hope you dont mind me joining in aswell. I am also on the other thread about I can make you thin. Hope your all having a good day.

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lynniep Wed 23-Jan-13 18:06:44

ControlGeek thats brilliant well done!! My weigh in tomorrow. Got zumba tonight too. Am going to leap around like a mad woman LOL!

awsangel, yes PM does have massive issues with diet groups. I agree with you that doing ww isnt strictly sticking to his philosophy. However I feel I need that support and a set of goals to keep me focused.

We have been discussing this on the thread (what I wrote originally about sticking to exact points, I have revised), and whilst the ww program is based on counting points - it isn't based around food being the enemy - its based around getting the right kind of food into you if possible, but not excluding anything at all i.e. you want it, you eat it, in moderation.
Yes on propoints (not on filling and healthy) you monitor what is going in, but as mentioned above you stop when you are full just as you would with the four rules.

I have adjusted how I do it so I allocate my points (34 a day approx maximum, 27 minimum ) and plan my meals weekly which is actually working much better for my family financially as well (have bought a slow cooker - why didn't I do that before?)

I eat what I want to eat - something like egg on toast or porridge for breakfast, sandwich or ready meal or sushi (my friday treat) for lunch at work and whatever is in the slow cooker for tea which I eat with the kids when I get home. I point this to the max, then eat till I'm full. I try to sit and concentrate on what I'm eating (bit difficult with constantly yapping and messy children!)

My other support is distraction. I've started crocheting a monkey in the evening. This keeps my hands and mind on things other than food.

ControlGeek Wed 23-Jan-13 19:57:16

Apologies for the number of exclamation marks in my last post, I have no excuse other than being tired and overexcited. Tonight I'm just tired wink

Good luck Lynnie for your WI tomorrow. Remember, any loss is good as it means the weight is going in the right direction. I'm on day 2 of the 30 day shred, but also spent the day mucking out horses so am feeling a little sore and sorry for myself tonight.

awsangel I'm another one with food issues, I don't fully understand my issues myself so I'm not going to try and put them all out here on the thread. What I do know is that WW isn't a diet club to me, it's an education on what healthy eating is all about - what is a normal portion, what proportion of the different food groups should you have on your plate, that kind of thing. I really need that structure and support if I'm to not fall back into my food issues.

bopper I've not done the ICMYT - is that just going into more detail on the 4 golden rules, or is there more to it that the HGB doesn't touch on? I'm still working on recognising when I feel full, but eating at a snail's pace is really helping a lot.

bopper198 Thu 24-Jan-13 16:22:09

Hiya controlgeek

The I can make you thin book is really good and I would recomend reading it, it goes in to more detail a bit about the golden rules but there is also a lot of other really good information. I too have a lot of food issues and have done diet clubs for many years.

But this year I am finally going to get over my food problems and get to my ideal weight so that I can be happy in myself.

I have a page on facebook called Paul mckenna I can make you thin, my journey. There are a group of people and we all support each other. I started the page ages ago but only this year that I have really got in to it again.

Hope your all having a good day x

lynniep Thu 24-Jan-13 21:39:29

Yey! lost 2.5lb in my second week. V. happy tonight smile

angelabbie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:46:17

well done lynniep that is brilliant. Bopper I have joined your facebook page.

SJT62 Fri 25-Jan-13 08:59:54

I'm really surprised, I had my gastric band fitted on Tues night, on Weds, I didn't finish my porridge for breakfast, I was full (the dog finished it), my normal 10am snack time went by, I wasn't hungry. At lunchtime I only ate 3/4 of my lunch and on the night I had Red Wine and Beef Casserole, cabbage and 2 yorkshire puds - only ate 1/2 the casserole and didn't touch the cabbage!!!!

On Thurs again didn't finish my porridge (the dog did - she's loving this however the dog may need to go on a diet soon lol), no snack at 10am, had an apple at 11.30 as I was hungry. I had my lunch at 1.30pm (never heard of, I am always starving at 12) no snacks in the afternoon. Dinner was Leek and Bacon Risotto, again only ate 3/4 of it.

After 2 days (Fri morning is always my weigh in day) -0.5lbs! Amazing in 2 days especially since I don't have a lot to lose, I only want to lose about 10lbs.

lilac68 Fri 25-Jan-13 09:25:40

Im a mum of four aged 19,17,15 and 6, i fitted the hypntic gastric band on sunday and have as of today lost 6lb don't know how or why has worked by i now only want brown bread, fruit, healthy stuff have no desire to eat crisps, biscuits chocolate etc. Is great, I run a personalised gift store on line so am sitting a lot of the time on the computer and the weight had crept on.

Advise to anyone is give it a go you have nothing to lose.

SparePants Fri 25-Jan-13 11:45:47

Wow these results are looking fab smile
I lost another 3lbs last night which adds up to 9lbs in 2 weeks!
I think I'm going to have a top-up session with the CD tonight though as I've "forgotten" a couple of times about eating slowly and mindfully. Keep up the good work everyone.

bopper198 Fri 25-Jan-13 12:01:50


angelabbie thanks for joining my page hope it helps I think its good to have lots of support.

I hope everyone is getting on ok today, all your weight losses are great it gives me hope that it will work for me too. I only weigh once a month on the 1st at least I try to. Otherwise I get a bit stressed about the numbers and thats not how I want to live anymore. I have spent too many years having my mood determined by those numbers!

angelabbie Fri 25-Jan-13 13:43:55

Thanks Bopper, I like your thinking but I am a once a week weigh in girl but I may try and make it longer. I am feeling really good about the band at the moment even though my friends and family are taking the mick out of me. I am determined to prove them wrong. Its only been four days so I shall weight on Monday. Have a good weekend everyone.

Dizzydora71 Fri 25-Jan-13 14:13:44

Hi just letting everyone know Amazon are selling Paul Mckenna hypnotic gastric band book and cd for £7.00 with free delivery .

SparePants Sat 26-Jan-13 06:53:13

And if you can't wait for delivery, Sainsburys have it in store for £6.49.

TheMaskedHorror Sat 26-Jan-13 11:05:33

I've read the book, watched the dvd and need to listen to the cd.
I'm hoping I'll get time tonight to do it. I am so encouraged by this thread!

Hi folks, mind if I join in? I'm giving the gastric band a go. I've finished the book and worked through the Havening technique a couple of times. And tomorrow when the DDs are out for the day I'll do the installation CD.

I did try the previous DVD Paul KcKenna had out (never read the book) but it didn't do much for me. I hope this will work better.

I understand about food, nutrition, portion sizes etc. And I love exercise. But I've been using exercise to keep my weight under control for years. I'm a binge eater and very much an emotional eater - any stress and I'll start inhaling chocolate and cake, thousands of calories' worth in one sitting. So diets don't work for me because I need to break that emotional link between stress and needing to eat.

I'm under loads of stress at work, and injured my ankle 6 months ago which has meant I can't exercise, so my weight has ballooned.

So, I'm ready to make a mental change. I hope the havening will help me to stop reaching for chocolate when I'm feeling bad. And the 4 Golden Rules should help me stop the mindless food shovelling.

I did want to do this properly, with the whole 2 weeks abstaining from junk food and walking 20 mins a day. But I can't stop eating the crap due to all my stress, and if I wait until I can stop for 2 weeks I'll never get there.

So tomorrow it is. Wish me luck!!

Sonkey Sat 26-Jan-13 22:45:19

How are people getting on with this? I've read the book and listened to the pre op so am planning on doing the fitting next week.

lynniep Sun 27-Jan-13 14:57:28

Good luck with the new starters. I'm still on track. Had a takeaway last night (ok some ready meals from Waitrose - I was a bit anxious about getting an actual takeaway so DH compromised) and I threw away the leftovers.

Yes, you heard me. I threw them away. I didnt shovel them into my gob before the cartons hit the bin even though I was full and really didnt want anymore. I asked DH if he wanted them for lunch the next day and he said no, so I made the decision to bin them.

Now this is a breakthrough for me - I was, like many folk, raised to eat everything and not waste food. Its ingrained into my head. Along with an inability to leave a packet of biscuits alone once opened and many other habits I've formed. So I am feeling very smug today as that is probably the first time in my life I've been able to do that. smile

I'm going to listen to the installation track now. Very nervous for some reason, and have been procrastinating about it all day. I guess it's because I don't know what will be on it.

I've just eaten my lunch at the table with laptop closed. That really is going to be very hard for me, the conscientious eating. But he's right, it was extra yummy.

See you on the other side.

TTprincess64 Sun 27-Jan-13 15:48:02

Have read through your posts and am inspired to give it a go - nothing ventured and all that. Off to order now .....

theoriginalandbestrookie Sun 27-Jan-13 15:56:44

I got the CD about a week ago and have listened to it a couple of times and read the book.

I have to say it doesn't appear to be working for me.

I did the Ican make you slim CD a couple of years ago and it worked fantastically for me for a couple of months and then stopped.

I think it's because subconsciously when I hit the 11st mark which I'm at right now because of WW I decide that I am thin enough and couldn't be bothered with the effort it would take to lose the extra 1/2 stone that would make all the difference to me.

I'll keep persevering though, in theory I think its a brilliant idea.

emmief77 Sun 27-Jan-13 18:34:41

Hey, bought the Gastric Band book from Amazon tonight smile

How often do you listen to CD when you first get it? Do you feel more motivated to exercise?

Dizzydora71 Sun 27-Jan-13 18:40:27

I've ordered the gastric band book and cd . For last three days I've been listening to icmyt trance part as its been helping me sleep. In last three days my appetite has completely gone and I'm struggling to do 1,200 calories a day .

NotHerRealname Sun 27-Jan-13 19:02:30

I "fitted" mine last night. Went out for pizza with family today and just had a small amount of salad and a couple of slices of pizza. Normally I would have eaten half a large pizza plus garlic bread so that was pretty good for me.
It seems to be going well, in that I am able to leave food on my plate as I am definitely full quicker. I am consciously trying not to stuff the food in and listen to my body though cos I reckon it might be easy to override the hypnosis.
Maybe those of us who have done this should post their weight loss in a couple of weeks as that would be the real test. I am doing ww too though to back it up!

jodex Sun 27-Jan-13 20:45:18

Hi All,

I had my 'surgery' on Saturday afternoon and i can honestly say i was very sceptical to start with, however i am finding it very hard to explain why i am leaving so much food,,,!!!! It is sooo not me!

I only had two small squares of my sarnies at work today and only ate half of my stir fry tonight. I really hope it keeps up.... Good Luck Everyone.

notnowImreading Sun 27-Jan-13 21:01:14

This is really interesting. I have never heard of this. How does it stop when you're thin enough? Does it wear off over time? Do you have to keep topping it up with extra viewings?

Well, I ate all my dinner and still wanted more. Not sure if I just had a small portion of dinner or if this doesn't work. I'm having to use willpower not to graze on biscuits now. But I suppose it's not an overnight miracle cure.

I suspect the mail crux of the technique's success lie in eating slowly and concentrating on your food, so you don't mindlessly stuff yourself.

Will report back again in a few days.

angelabbie Mon 28-Jan-13 12:02:28

Hi Annie,

If you wanted more dinner then you must have it, the idea is to stop when you are full. It can be hard to recognise that feeling but give yourself a chance and you will know. I have done it for just a week now and its so easy to forget to eat slowly and concentrate on what you are doing but it really does make a huge difference when you do. Good luck and let us know how you get on.
I am going to weigh in tomorrow so will let you know what I have lost. I have eaten what I want when I am hungry and not what I thought I should eat so we shall see!!

Jayneguest Mon 28-Jan-13 15:15:04

I am finding this thread very interesting as I had weight loss hypnosis and it worked really well. the hypnotist that did it said that he didnt like the gastric band hypnosis because it doesnt really address the problems properly and bypasses them. I didnt seem to need it. I know he has written stuff about it so ill try and find a link.
great to see so many people talking about their experiences though. im new to mumsnet and already loving it :-)

angelabbie Mon 28-Jan-13 21:44:13

Can I ask how often you are supposed to listen to the CD, cannot seem to find the answer in the book. I read on the internet you listen to it for five days straight but I have not done that.

ledkr Mon 28-Jan-13 21:51:08

I've been using the free app on my I phone. Have to listen to it once a day which is hard as its half an hour which I find hard to find but if I do it at bedtime I fall asleep grin
So actually I've not listened to it much but I too am doing better with food. Eating slowly and stopping when full. I have eaten really well today. Going to keep it up and ill let you know if its working.
I love it though its soooo relaxing.

chinhealer Tue 29-Jan-13 03:32:41

I will add to the chorus of approval for the Golden Rules, at least. I bought the Hypnotic Gastric Band book on a whim in ASDA last Monday. Pretty much the best seven quid I've ever spent!
I read the book very quickly, but didn't listen to the CD for a few days. As soon as I started to follow the Four Golden Rules, there was a transformation in my eating.
I have always been overweight as an adult and have had many years of very poor food choices on top of the healthy ones! And I have always exercised a fair amount. Recently, I have exercised more than ever as an adult. (Swimming, walking, gym and chi kung.) But that has never been enough. I was, basically, addicted to chocolates and crisps and puddings and etc. And my portion sizes were huge. These were the main reasons for my weight.
All of that had led me to being my heaviest ever as of a week ago. But as soon as I began to follow the Golden Rules to the letter, I instantly eliminated crisps and chocolates and snacks and almost all ready meals from my diet. My portion size took a nosedive and has, for a week, been - without exception - a third of what it had been previously. The amazing thing is that all of this has been completely effortless! I've not craved anything. I've not suffered from excessive hunger. I don't feel as if I've used any willpower at all. I haven't needed to! I've just stuck religiously to the rules. I eat when I'm hungry. I eat exactly what I want. I focus on my food exclusively. (By eating either alone or in near-silence when with others. And away from all distractions such as TV and radio and reading material etc. And by savouring every single mouthful, by chewing a minimum of 20 times.) And when I am full, I stop eating. (Actually, the vast majority of the time, I've stopped when I was pleasantly satisfied on McKenna's Hunger Scale.) Almost immediately, by following these no-brainer rules, I have learned how to listen to my body's satiety signals and have found immediate improvements in my health and wellbeing and energy levels.
For me, this has been miraculous. And I believe it is totally sustainable in the long-term, which 'diets' just aren't - at least, they aren't for me. I haven't felt the need to use the Havening technique beyond the initial instruction when reading the book. I've listened to the hypnosis a couple of times, but I had already transformed my eating by the time I got to that.
I'm not obsessively weighing myself. I have a meeting with my weightloss consultant at my GP's surgery in a week's time. I'll get the proof of the no-pudding then!
But I really don't need scales to tell me what I already know. That my attitude to food has changed beyond all recognition, that my body is already changing dramatically and that I have found what is, for me, the Holy Grail that will lead me to a healthy weight and healthy diet for the rest of my life.
I hope my experience will encourage some of you to take this book seriously. Do read it from cover to cover. And do implement the Four Golden Rules. For me, the hypnosis has been (almost) irrelevant. Some of you may benefit more from that. But I truly believe that the vast majority of people can achieve healthy, permanent weightloss just by sticking to the rules.

angelabbie Tue 29-Jan-13 09:37:09

Hi chinhealer,
Wow what an amazing post and really inspiring. I am on my second week and had what I would term as a hungry day yesterday. I had a cheese and salad sandwich, some bran flakes, a small portion of fish and oven chips at teatime with the kids and a peanut butter sandwich in the evening at 8pm. I ate with my eyes shut and ate mindfully. I was def hungry and stopped when I was full. Does that sound like a lot of food?? The other days prior to that I was not hungry and three small meals was enough for me. I listened to the CD again last night so maybe that will help.

NotHerRealname Tue 29-Jan-13 09:40:11

Hi everyone. How are you all getting on ? I am day 4.
I must say I am quite amazed at the results of this so far. I fitted mine on Sat, and since then I have really struggled to use all of my 26 WW points. I get comfortably full so much quicker than before. This morning I had to force down one and a half slices of toast. I do wonder if I need to eat a bit more though as after walking the school run this morning I felt a little weak. So I have just had a lovely hot chocolate and I feel fine again. Its the big weigh in tonight so I will let you all know.
I think one of the nicest things about this system is the fact that no-one need know you are doing it. I am very conscious to never let my young Ds know that I am watching my weight as I worry it might affect her body image later on! With this way, she does not have a clue!

chinhealer Tue 29-Jan-13 13:13:21

Hi angelabbie,
That's very kind of you! I'm more astonished than anyone (apart from my open-jawed nearest and dearest!) at how simple and how game-changing McKenna's approach has been for me.
I'm surprised that you classify Monday as a 'hungry day'! What you ate seems like a very modest toll of food! Of course, much depends on one's own size and metabolism and activity levels etc, but I don't think what you ate could be seen as excessive. And, anyway, the whole point of McKenna's rules is not to prescribe how many calories or how much food you are 'allowed to get away with' on any particular day. You eat (consciously and in a focused way) when you are hungry, you stop when you're full, you learn to tell the difference between the two and Bob's your uncle!
I've been blogging about my newfound diet-that-isn't-a-diet on wordpress


and taking pictures of every single meal (actually, every single thing I consume apart from water and a few cups of coffee/tea.) I find I am able to have a very clear perspective on what it is I've eaten that way. And, even though I don't feel I need this incentive, I am aware that anything I eat is going to be staring me - and the world - in the face on the blog come the end of the day. And I'm averse to providing major multinational food manufacturers of choccie bars and crisps with any free publicity!
It sounds like you've done very well indeed already if you're having a guilt-trip about a modest amount of food in a single day! But, actually, I'd encourage you not to feel any guilt at all. Half of McKenna's point is that diets and the diet and slimming industry's MO is to make you feel guilty and fearful and unhappy with your food choices and body etc. But his approach is to make you feel great about yourself and what you are doing. Without banning any foods at all. Happy people make happy and sensible food-and-portion choices. So it becomes a virtuous cycle.
As for the hypnosis CD, by all means listen to it whenever you feel the need. But I reckon you're strong enough to stick to the rules without worrying about it too much.
Good luck!

chinhealer Tue 29-Jan-13 13:32:16

Hi NotHerRealname,
I understand your eagerness to avoid passing on any body-image/dieting issues to your daughter. But I'd say that with McKenna's approach, you are not really watching your weight so much as being mindful of how you eat and mindful of your body's communications with you. And synchronizing with your body's natural feelings of hunger and satiety. And surely these are lessons worth passing on to your daughter?
It's a little concerning that you have been feeling weak. Again, as I understand it, the whole point of McKenna's way is that you should eat when you are fairly hungry and well before you are ravenous or feeling faint/weak.
And I'm not sure we should ever be at a stage where we have to 'force down' any food at all. I could be wrong, but that suggests that you were not hungry at breakfast time, but felt you should eat toast anyway?
I've never been to Weight Watchers or any other such club. So I can't comment on their benefits. But I wonder whether McKenna might well be spot-on in denouncing them for not only failing, but actually making things worse for people by making them obsess about points and calories and treats and pounds and kilograms etc?
At any rate, I hope you do stick to the Four Golden Rules. They are so simple, yet so magically effective!

Dottiespots Tue 29-Jan-13 14:15:08

Hi Chinhealer.... come over to our thread Happy New Year Happy New Paul Mckenna Thread Number 11....we are all about the four golden rules and the ladies have been doing this since seeing PM on stage two years ago. Were on thread number 11 and the ladies all live by the "Rules" and we dont do the Gastric Band. In fact I myself strongly disagree with it as Paul McKenna originally was against Gastric Bypass Hypnosis and he believed it was a gimick that didnt deal with the causes of overeating and was ultimately doomed to failure. But as you say with the Rules you really cant ever go wrong and it is a common sense way of eating that is the way slim people eat automatically. Hope to see you on the thread.

angelabbie Tue 29-Jan-13 14:19:43

hi chinhealer, you are right of course but I have been so used to a diet that I feel as if I am going backwards a little as my old diet was much healthier food wise. I am taking Paul literally and eating what I fancy but strangely have not been at all interested in chocolate, sweets or cakes etc which is unlike me lol. I have about a stone and a half to lose. I have to say I like eating this way, being mindful, its quite relaxing in itself. Its just getting used to not being on a diet.
Thanks for the encouragement.

angelabbie Tue 29-Jan-13 14:27:30

oh I have just taken a look at your blog, can I come and live with you?? Food looks amazing lol.

angelabbie - the book says to listen to the CD once a month until you've been at your target weight for 6 months.

And your "hungry day" food sounds very light - not a lot of food at all. Be sure to eat enough - under-eating is as unhealthy as overeating and can make you lose weight more slowly, ironically.

chinhealer Wed 30-Jan-13 00:23:08

angelabbie - I'm also taking McKenna literally, but what I fancy is home-cooked meals on the whole. A few days ago I had a ready meal for logistical/convenience reasons. And even though I stuck to all the rules perfectly, I found that I didn't enjoy every single mouthful in the way that I have done with all of the home cooking. I actually felt as if I had cheated myself and had settled for second best! If anything, I wished I had gone for a cobbled-together salad or somesuch instead! And I know, instinctively, that I will get the same, disappointed feeling if I eat a Bounty or a Caramac or whatever instead of the absolutely gorgeous and sensual (!) and endorphin-releasing persimmons (and other fruit) that I have been savouring so happily!
In other words, I believe my body (and yours!) wants and needs the healthier stuff anyway. It does not truly want and need the rubbish that it has been taught to 'like' over decades of bad habits.
And in terms of diets, I think one of the problems with them is that they encourage us to defer to an external authority regarding what is good and bad for us and what is acceptable and unacceptable in terms of healthy eating. Whereas, by following the Golden Rules, I think we can teach our bodies to become the ultimate authorities on what to eat and when. I know this process has begun very well for me and it looks like your own body is getting into the swing of things too! (By showing a lack of interest in the chocs and sweets and cakes.)

chinhealer Wed 30-Jan-13 00:27:37

Oh, and thanks for the compliments on the food I've been lucky enough to consume this past week, angelabbie! I have a talented Mother and friends and etc. Nearest and dearest is also a very talented cook, but
a. She hasn't actually cooked any of the meals of mine that you've seen and
b. She might have something to say about your moving in!

chinhealer Wed 30-Jan-13 00:31:31

Hi awsangel! Thank you for the invite! Sounds like a thread with its head screwed on properly! (Although nobody seems to be around much today.) I'll have a proper read later.

TheMaskedHorror Wed 30-Jan-13 10:30:38

I listened to the cd 2 nights ago.
I'm not sure its working for me but I am bfing a 3 month old who seems to be going through a growth spurt at the moment. I've been up pretty much every couple of hrs at night and am wrecked during the day.

Yesterday I ate a bowl of porridge for breakfast and I was full. Normally I'd have toast too.
I had 2 little samosas as a friend bought them round and they were delicious ( I ate them very mindfully!), 2 home made biscuits and a banana when I was hungry but didn't have time to make any food due to clingy baby.
Then I had 2 thick slices of toast with almond butter and a bowl of miso soup with mushrooms and spinach for dinner.
I was hungry again later so had another banana, still hungry so had a mango sorbet.
Er I don't think I made very good choices but it wasn't a normal day where I could do proper cooking.

I can't tell if the cd worked or not.

angelabbie Wed 30-Jan-13 11:47:57

Hi chinhealer and Annie

Tell your wife not to worry my hubby seems to think I am a good cook too but I would not have a clue where to start with the sort of food you are eating. It really does look delicious so I am going to find some interesting recipes online today. I think Annie you and chinhealer are also right in that I am not eating very much food. I am still confused as to when I am full up so I am going to have a bigger portion of food with each meal today and see if I can recognise the feeling correctly.

chinhealer Wed 30-Jan-13 14:32:24

@angelabbie - Phew!

In terms of vegetarian Indian recipes (and a fair number of other cuisines too) ... Tarla Dalal is very good and pretty comprehensive.


She also has videos to help you get started. Practically all supermarkets these days have a decent selection of spices and other specialized ingredients.

Happy cooking!

angelabbie Thu 31-Jan-13 10:09:10

Thanks for the link, I will have a good look later. I had my first weigh since starting (this is my second week) and have lost 1 kilo so am very pleased with that. No cravings for anything as yet which is so nice and I seem to be enjoying food again. Hope everyone is doing well.

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 31-Jan-13 10:34:00

Hi all, can I join?

I was lucky enough to get the book free from Mumsnet, as I was one of the women in the Google Hangout.

I read the book a few days ago but have actually been really nervous about starting, so only installed the band this morning.

I am a bit concerned I might have fallen asleep during the installation, or maybe I was just really hypnotised, because I came round when he did the wake up countdown. I suppose I'll have to see if it works or if I have to listen again.

angelabbie Thu 31-Jan-13 15:14:20

Hi Anne and welcome.
I dont think it matters if you fall asleep, I did the both times I listened to it and for me it is working. See how you feel after the next few days.
Good luck.

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 31-Jan-13 15:34:24

Thanks angel. Well so far today I have eaten less than I ever have, I think! I have just not been hungry, and yet on a normal day I would have eaten loads by now and have been constantly thinking about food.

BabyRoger Thu 31-Jan-13 15:50:03

Hi Everyone

Can I join in?

I just ordered the book so waiting for it to arrive smile

ledkr Thu 31-Jan-13 16:55:23

anne I fall asleep during mine too but it seems to work still.

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 31-Jan-13 17:04:50

That's good to know, ledkr, thanks. Have you been doing it long?

ledkr Thu 31-Jan-13 17:27:33

About a week. Mine is an app on my I phone. Meant to listen to it everyday and its half N hour so must admit I find it hard to fit in but defo making better food choices and eating consciously.
Will do it tonight for def I bet I fall asleep it's very relaxing.

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 31-Jan-13 19:51:13

I think I'm meant to listen once a month, but think I'll try and do it more often than that.

I have just had dinner. I served up my usual portion and just over half of it is covered in cling film in the fridge. Eating consciously is a bit of a revelation.

CorrieDale Thu 31-Jan-13 20:24:59

I lost 3 stone in 2011 on ww. I've kept it off (mostly by exercise) but I realised last year I eat either like a fat person, or a fat person on a diet. So this year I am going to learn how to eat like a thin person. And also get down to my dream weight in the process. Enter Paul mckenna! I have been doing make you thin for a couple of weeks (tried in 2010, unsuccessfully) and installed the band yesterday. I'd say both are really helping. I seem, post band, to feel uncomfortably full if I eat my usual quantities, which were already much reduced. Am I gullible? Well, if I'm eating like my.thin friends do, who cares?

Loumumoffour Fri 01-Feb-13 08:39:26

Hi everyone! I read the book two days ago, did the cd yesterday am. I ate one piece toast for breakfast, bowl soup no bread at lunch, small meal in the evening. Haven't been thinking about food. When I have eaten the food tastes so much more flavoursome. What's going on???!!!

lynniep Fri 01-Feb-13 09:02:06

I had my weigh in last night. Only 1lb but going in the right direction. So 6lb in 3 weeks which is fine.
I've been struggling this week, and I know exactly why - its because I've been having trouble finding the time to 'eat mindfully' ie. actually sit down with my food without being distracted by something else (or someone else small and demading LOL).
I do actively notice the difference between when I'm doing this and when I'm just 'fuelling' because I need to. So whilst I've stuck to my propoints, I havent always stuck to listening to my body and tasting my food. More effort required this week.

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 01-Feb-13 09:03:58

Hi Lou!

It is weird, isn't it? I started making myself some toast this morning and then got distracted and forgot about it. That would never have happened before. When I remembered it, I only ate a slice, threw away the second.

What is amazing is it highlights how much I was overeating before without even noticing. I seem almost disinterested in food, and I never thought I would say that. I hope it lasts.

Loumumoffour Fri 01-Feb-13 09:04:37

Don't be hard on yourself, that's good going. Be proud and go forward, the changes will happen.

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 01-Feb-13 09:09:39

lynnie 6lbs in 3 weeks is brilliant! That's almost half a stone! Well done!

I don't know how you are managing to combine it with the WW to be honest, it just seems more hassle. I think I would end up eating more if I did that to do the points. Don't you find the band makes you not want to eat all your points?

Loumumoffour Fri 01-Feb-13 09:10:30

That's great stuff! Onwards and upwards AnneEyhtMeyer. I'm enjoying doing this, it's not a chore and you can still eat whatever you fancy.

Loumumoffour Fri 01-Feb-13 09:12:02

Lynne that's very inspiring to us all. We CAN do it. Excellent, that's put me in a good mood for the day.

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 01-Feb-13 09:12:06

Also, does anyone else have a really vivid image of their new stomach size? When I'm eating I can just see this space the size of my fist and see it filling up.

Loumumoffour Fri 01-Feb-13 09:13:45

I have that image. It's all in the visualisation technique.

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 01-Feb-13 09:14:31

It is amazing, isn't it? And quite scary!

Loumumoffour Fri 01-Feb-13 09:15:39

I'm starting to find it quite comforting now though, cos its a protective barrier from overindulging and snacking.

Jayneguest Fri 01-Feb-13 09:15:56

I'm still torn in this. Seeing a real hyponotist has really been helping me as I think I needed someone to talk to as well. I am losing weight and feeling much better. Just wishing I could get away with just buying a book and CD but not sure I would do it properly. Well done everyone doing so brilliantly :-)

Loumumoffour Fri 01-Feb-13 09:19:10

Then, continue seeing the hypnotist if it is working for you, that's the route to take. Everyone is different.

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 01-Feb-13 09:28:35

Comforting, yes, but scary that hypnotism is so powerful!

Jayneguest Fri 01-Feb-13 09:41:09

Yes, I am going to continue going because its working and I don't want that to change !
Interesting read about Paul McKenna changing his mind about gastric bands...

Still very impressed that it worked for him and the people in the studio recording it as well. I love it

NotHerRealname Fri 01-Feb-13 10:46:53

Well done Lynnip, sounds like you are doing well.
I weighed myself on Tuesday and have lost 4-5 pounds in the first week. I am hoping this is not just fluid and that I am losing some fat too.
I am still doing the ww too, and have found most days I have to make sure I don't go under my points (26)
These last few days I have felt very hungry between meals but once I eat I feel comfortably full, and am eating much less still. Did have a couple of chocolates last night but normally it would be about 10! so pretty good.
I was fairly confident this would be good for me as I had hyposis to give up smoking 3 years ago which worked a treat.
I must be very suggestable!

lynniep Fri 01-Feb-13 13:48:06

Its not really hassle Anne. I plan my meals - at least for the day, if not for the week. I know what my intake should be and then I just make sure that food is available to me so I can eat when I'm hungry. I also have a supply of fruit (which is free on ww) to fill any gaps, although I dont really find I have those. I dont necessarily eat all my points - I try to stop when I feel full, but I will save leftover food for if I get hungry later.

I'm a big fan of the slow cooker having recently bought it, and I find that this is a great way of being able to fill up - because I fill it with veg and one type of meat - I can eat as much of the sauce (tomato based) and veg as fills me up and I will have already pointed the meat so can add that too if I want. The kids just get a pile in their bowl for tea.

TheMaskedHorror Fri 01-Feb-13 15:03:30

I listened to the cd again yesterday but I don't think this works for me sad
It maybe because I have a 3 month old and bfing?

theoriginalandbestrookie Fri 01-Feb-13 16:10:08

Its not really working for me Themaskedhorror.

I think its maybe because I'm immune to Paul McKennas voice - I used to listen to I can make you slim, or maybe because logically it makes no sense to me as I know in real life I'd be deemed not overweight enough to get a gastric band?

Have you tried I can make you slim? That made a lot more sense to me and worked for a good few months, but then I somehow got resistant to his voice or something, so am back at good old WW.

Plus if you are bf and baby only 3 mnths old it is maybe the wrong time for you to be trying to lose weight?

Loumumoffour Sat 02-Feb-13 08:46:40

Day 3 for me and I'm so disinterested in food. No snacking anymore. It's a revelation for me.

Cupcake1982 Sat 02-Feb-13 10:24:56

I might give this book a try!

Fab41 Sat 02-Feb-13 15:10:55

I installed the Gb today, so will report back. I do feel very aware of my stomach just now, almost slightly achy, and feel very aware that I ate a normal portion of lunch. I do feel slightly sceptical, maybe because I only want to lose a stone and a half, so a GB is not a RL option. Happy to have an open mind though as WW has done nothing for me so far.

TheMaskedHorror Sat 02-Feb-13 15:48:32

I'm not into food today at all so I'm hoping its starting to work.

I had a big bowl of porridge for breakfast and some naan bread and dahl for lunch and I'm not hungry at all. I have no desire to snack or pick at food which is very unusual for me.

theoriginal this is baby no.3 and I'm desparate to be rid of the weight now. I am actually feeling uncomfortable with the weight gain and I really feel it this time. Things I used to take for grated before like certain sitting and sleeping positions, now feel uncomfortable! Hope it works for you soon!

Loumumoffour Sat 02-Feb-13 23:15:40

So proud of myself!! Went to the cinema with my children aged 4, 5, 7 and 8 and my husband. Everyone had popcorn except me!!! That is so unheard of!!! Even the smell of the popcorn kiosk turned my stomach.

Well, I've gone from not feeling remotely different and still eating big meals to binging on Creme Eggs since Wednesday when the DDs annoyed me.

What I need isn't a gastric band, it's a mental adjustment that stops me from responding to the slightest stress with a week-long binge.

chinhealer Sun 03-Feb-13 00:01:11

@Loumumoffour - well done! I haven't come to that hurdle yet, but I know that as there is absolutely no way to eat at the cinema without distraction, the popcorn, nachos and ice cream sundaes of old will be nothing but an unwholesome memory!

NB What did you see? Monsters Inc by any chance? If so, it's a great fave of ours.

chinhealer Sun 03-Feb-13 00:12:02

@AnnieLobeseder - sorry to hear of the bingeing. But don't think that means the Golden Rules don't work for you. How do you get on with the Havening technique? Or have you tried meditation to deal with stress?

Have you been able to follow the Four Golden Rules strictly for any length of time? If you haven't, then I'd urge you to try that without any exceptions. (And to enlist the help and support of your family and friends and work colleagues if possible.) If you are able to get several days under your belt of eating consciously exactly what you want, without TV or any other distractions (preferably in silence) only when you are hungry and stopping when you are full, I think you will be well on your way to forming a new habit - an incredibly positive one! After two weeks of not deviating at all from the Four Golden Rules, I cannot, now, imagine eating in any other way! And I'm really no stranger to binges at all!

emmief77 Sun 03-Feb-13 08:32:27

Have just finished reading Gastric Band book, just by reading it have felt more positive and have booked myself into Boxercise for Friday smile

Going to watch DVD tonight, and listen to CD, but feel a bit anxious... not really sure why..

Thanks for sharing your experiences everyone, very motivating to read smile

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 08:40:27

Yes, we saw Monster inc chin healer!!
Day 4 and still not really interested in food. Will weigh myself shortly.

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 12:15:14

Have lost 3lb!!!!!!

TheMaskedHorror Sun 03-Feb-13 17:31:50

Well done!!

I'm still doing well on the no snacking. I have no desire to snack but unfortunately my meals werent what I wanted to eat and werent good choices due to poor planning.
Dinner will be healthy and hopefully I can get round to preparing proper food tomorrow.

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 17:40:19

I'm having mozzarella and pesto tart tonight. Just tomato base on puff pastry. Will have a handful of rocket with it.

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 03-Feb-13 17:52:19

Well done Lou!

I'm on day 4 now but haven't weighted myself yet. Am trying to wait a week.

I am astonished at my lack of snacking and lack of thinking about food. I'm eating less than half of what I used to for meals and no snacking at all in between. It feels like a total mind-shift.

Emmie - I felt anxious beforehand too, and actually put it off a few times before doing it, but it has been great, and the best eating plan I have ever had. I love that I can eat whatever I want, but that I have no desire to binge. It is a revelation.

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 18:24:05

Thank you!!

Yes it's amazing food tastes so much better, I suppose it had become so bland

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 18:43:06

I am full after having two squares of my meal!

DratAndBother Sun 03-Feb-13 19:01:31

Which apps are people using? I can't see a Paul McKenna Gastric band one confused

TheMaskedHorror Sun 03-Feb-13 19:20:18

DratAndBother Its the new Paul McKenna book with a virtual gastric band hypnosis cd.


Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 19:23:38

6.49 sainsburys

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 03-Feb-13 20:20:37

Something else odd happened today. Was offered a piece of birthday cake, took one bite and couldn't eat any more. It was vile, so unbearably sweet. DH had wolfed his portion down, so I gave mine to him.

When we got home I asked him about the cake, asking if he noticed how odd it tasted, and he looked at me like I was nuts and said it just tasted of cake. grin I have my period at the minute and I would ordinarily be gulping down anything sweet I could get my hands on, but after we had this conversation I realised I hadn't had anything sweet since starting with the band.

emmief77 Sun 03-Feb-13 21:08:46


Thank you, gonna watch the DVD now wine

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 21:27:18

That's amazing about the cake!!

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 22:21:10

I've just tried two small chocolates, they had an awful bitter taste. I have a bag full and I'm not even tempted to try another!!
I've just listened to the cd for the third time now, I really fell further into trance, felt like my legs were lifting up involuntarily!! It was so much deeper this time than previous times, maybe it's because I know what's expected this time and I can relax far more. Strange!!!!!

bishboschone Sun 03-Feb-13 22:28:34

Omg . Does this work? I'm going to get it for my sister if it does . She was going to have hypnotherapy for weight loss.

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 22:48:17

It's worked for many of us as you can see!!
For me this is so worth it, it's under£10 and has had a huge impact on my thought processes and my unconscious mind. I was very sceptical and have never used a hypnotherapy cd before in my life.
I am amazed 4 days on.

bishboschone Sun 03-Feb-13 22:49:42

Great . I will get it for her. Would you say you have emotional issues with food ? I know she comfort eats and this needs addressing .

Loumumoffour Sun 03-Feb-13 23:08:16

I have four young children aged 4, 5, 7 and 8 !!!!! I suppose I just do everything for the children and grab things for myself as I pass the kitchen cupboards running!! I don't tend to comfort eat, but its perfect for your sister. It alters your whole way of thinking. It's quite incredible. I'm completely mindful now when I eat. You must sit at a table, no tv or any distractions and chew each mouthful 20 times. It works.

bulshit Mon 04-Feb-13 01:02:42

I am going to fit Paul McKenna hypnotic gastric band tomorrow and I am really looking forward to doing it. I was 55years old on the 1st February and has been a member of weight watchers for years. I have lost weight on the program quite a few times, but put it back on. I am fed up of counting points and would just like to be free.

I need to loose about 3 stones. I do not wish to be a slave to the scales and have decided to only weigh once per month when I listen to the installation trance.

Wlll keep you all updated on my progress. progress. Good luck to you all.

bulshit Mon 04-Feb-13 01:05:06

I am going to fit Paul McKenna hypnotic gastric band tomorrow and I am really looking forward to doing it. I was 55years old on the 1st February and has been a member of weight watchers for years. I have lost weight on the program quite a few times, but put it back on. I am fed up of counting points and would just like to be free.

I need to loose about 3 stones. I do not wish to be a slave to the scales and have decided to only weigh once per month when I listen to the installation trance.

Wlll keep you all updated on my progress. progress. Good luck to you all.

AnneEyhtMeyer Mon 04-Feb-13 07:37:36

Lou - how weird about the chocolates! Just like me and the cake!

Good luck, bulshit, I hope it works for you. Year before last I lost 4 stones low-carbing but just put it all back on. I didn't find it sustainable as I was denying myself and as soon as I started eating them again it was a slippery slope. I'm hoping this will change my eating habits for life, as I can have whatever I want.

bulshit Mon 04-Feb-13 08:41:09

Good morning every one I installed my hypnotic gastric band this morning and I hope that it works. I am not sure if I installed it properly, however I am feeling positive.

I started the preparation 2 weeks ago but did not religiously followed the four rules. I did sometimes and I lost a few ounces. I did however walked the 20mins per day, I only missed one day out of 14. I had quite a bit of alcohol through because it was my birthday, however that's over and I am only looking forward.

I am hoping for the best. Will keep you all updated regularly on how I am doing, even though I am going to weigh once per month. But in regards to how much I have cut down, clothes getting looser, getting full quicker Tec. Good luck everyone.xxx

bulshit Mon 04-Feb-13 09:03:48

HI AnnieEytMeyer I wish you luck as well. I just want to eat without having to weigh my food or worry about . As I read no one need to know you are following in program because you are normal.

I love clothes and really really enjoy shopping, which means that I have loads of new and wonderful outfit to wear when I get slim.

A few weeks ago I was talking to my daughter and she made a valid point and good advice. She said not to worry about what you weigh but while the size clothes you want to fit, fit comfortable then you will feel better as well as mire confident.

I would like to be a comfortable size 10_12, and that would really suit me.

Talk soon xx

TheMaskedHorror Mon 04-Feb-13 10:38:44

thats weird about the cake and chocolate but the same thing happened to me with some apple pie yesterday.
I cut a small piece for myself yesterday, I ate 2 mouthfuls and thought that it didn't really taste that nice so I left it!

I ate a homemade biscuit earlier on in the day which was really nice but I guess I must have been genuinely hungry then but not when I was eating pie after dinner.

I am starting to feel positive about this now and have listened to the cd 3 times before I felt it working. I think I'll listen to it once a week for a while.
What does everyone else do?

DelGirl Mon 04-Feb-13 10:39:00

I bought the book, read it, listened to the cd many times, watched the havening technique and it isn't working whhhaaaaahhhhh. I was so enthusiastic as I had hypnotherapy to give up smoking and i'm still not 12 years on which I know is down to just that as something seems to kick in when I feel the very occasional temptation!

I haven't managed to stay awake through the cd though although I do usually wake up at the end but I think that is to do with the increasing volume as opposed to anything else.

Shall I start from the beginning again, will I have desensitised sad I am the worlds worst emotional eater, stress just has me reaching for proverbial biscuit tin. Am so heavy and I really don't want to be. Help!!!!!

TheMaskedHorror Mon 04-Feb-13 10:44:12

Delgirl I thought it wasn't working for me either but I do consciously try to follow the rules and even if I feel like I'm not because I'm picking at something, I still follow the chew 20 times rule.

Now after doing that and listening to cd 3 times, I feel like its working.

My porridge this morning tasted like the most delicious thing ever!

SMTT01 Mon 04-Feb-13 11:18:17

Hi ladies can I join you, I read the book on Friday and have been following his 4 golden rules since then I had the band installed yesterday, can't believe it only ate 1/3 of my dinner and this is unheard of. I have lost 2lb over the weekend, again this is unheard of as I always eat way too much on the weekends and always gain from my weigh in day of Friday. My biggest problem is crisps and choc, and since doing this I have had no cravings for either, yes it is early days, but its 11.20am and I haven't even felt hungry enough to have breakfast. Paul McKenna is truly a miracle worker.

DelGirl Mon 04-Feb-13 11:36:37

well perhaps I will keep trying but am out for lunch today, my birthday tomorrow plus party on Sat so will read the book again later and give it another go.

Loumumoffour Mon 04-Feb-13 14:20:29

I had a craving for chocolate just now and this time they didn't taste bitter, I presume it's because I genuinely needed that sugar!!??
I'm not hungry at breakfast.
Having another veg stir fry this evening!!!! I have a craving for them at the moment, and sugar snap peas and rocket leaves!!!!! I'm now drinking bottles of sparkling water instead of coke and its yummy, there's a sort of sweetness from the bubbles. It's great!!!

TheMaskedHorror Mon 04-Feb-13 14:26:53

I just had my lunch now. Normally I'd be clock watching and eating lunch by 12.30.

Lunch was some leftover veg from yesterdays dinner with a mexican bean burger (Tesco)

I've cooked a cauliflower curry and a chicken curry (both tomato based) so I'm looking forward to some of that with a naan bread later for dinner.

Might have a cup of tea and a h/m biscuit (can't believe I can stop at 1!!) later this afternoon if I feel hungry (I'm bfing so likely)

AnneEyhtMeyer Mon 04-Feb-13 16:41:14

Was out all day today, so stopped for lunch and ordered a panini and thought this might cause me to eat too much, but I found myself only eating half, and even then leaving a lot of the bread in the half I ate.

I can't believe I'm just not hungry all the time.

Once again I have leftovers for dinner tonight, as I still have half of last night's dinner in the fridge!

chinhealer Mon 04-Feb-13 16:51:08

@AnneEyhtMeyer - i agree - leftovers are becoming very common indeed these days ! I am trying to resist the convenience of microwaving them, though ! I don't like the idea of eating healthier and less, only to counter all the good by irradiating my food !

Jelly15 Mon 04-Feb-13 20:00:43

I read the book yesterday, watched the DVD today and listened to track one this evening. Today I have been following the Four Golden Rules, so do I have to wait until I have shrunk my liver, in a week or two, by cutting out fats and sugars? I am sure it is my addiction to both is the reason I am at least five stone overweight.

Many of you seen to have listen to track two within a few days of reading the book or have missunderstood the book?

bulshit Mon 04-Feb-13 20:41:15

HI Jelly15, yes you are right about eating no fatty or sugary foods between 1-2weeks, plus walking 20mins per day. I did do the two weeks but never managed no sugary or fatty for the full 2 weeks. I did however managed the 20min walk for 13days.

Did not want to start after a week because my birthday was coming up, however the band is now in place and it's been a very good day. I even managed to exercise in the evening. I am trying to master this new routine.

Good luck Jelly15

bulshit Mon 04-Feb-13 20:48:20

HI Delgirl, just keep going and be positive. Try installing the band again and see what happens then. This system is such a great opportunity to change you life.

Think how happy you will be in a few months when you have lost some weight. I know that when your emotions are high you cannot control what you put into your mouth. Use this opportunity wisely and you will win. Xxxxxx

orangeandlemons Mon 04-Feb-13 20:52:34

I had a hypno gastric band done through Groupon. It cost £100 (should be £480) and was a total waste of time.

I haven't read the P M book yet, but I have scanned this thread, and what has struck me, is the amount of people with bingeing/overeating problems. I am one of these people, but what has worked for me is intermittent fasting. You lose all desire to overeat. After 25 years of screwed and distorted eating, and every slimming thing going (including hypnosis) this intermittent fasting is the first thing to restore my eating habits to somewhere near normal.

Just letting you know there are other options should gastric band fail smile

Jelly15 Mon 04-Feb-13 21:15:18

Thanks Bulshit, good luck to you too.

I am sure I can do the twenty mins walking but I think no sugar or fat will be too hard, so I will just reduce the sugar lots and go low fat. So excited to install the band think I can manage a week but waiting two will be so hard.

AnneEyhtMeyer Mon 04-Feb-13 21:28:46

Jelly - I didn't. I read the book, thought about it for about a week and then did the two CD tracks one after the other on Thursday.

I have been amazed at the change and how well it has worked for me. I will be amazed if I haven't lost any weight when I weigh myself because I have drastically reduced my eating without any effort apart from following the Golden Rules. I really think the rules are the key. I feel full so quickly and have no desire to snack. When I start to feel hungry and think I may need to have a snack I look at the clock and realise it is lunchtime or dinner time!

Vampygirl Mon 04-Feb-13 21:49:52

Hi everyone, I fitted the band last week and it really does seem to work. I've really been sticking to the four rules and its been pretty easy tbh. The only thing is he says you won't think about food, well I'm thinking about it all the time!!! I'm always asking myself if I'm actually hungry, what do I want to eat? What can I get that's really yummy lol anyone else find this??
I no I shouldn't have but I weighed myself this morning, 7 lbs lighter so VERY happy. If your thinking of giving it a go, do it, just stick to the four rules and you will defo see a change

Mckenngp1 Tue 05-Feb-13 09:13:31

Hi have read the thread with interest, seem to be more positive reviews of this system than bad which is very encouraging.I read the book last week, followed the instructions and installed the band yesterday. I have done his other programme in the past and it didn't seem to have a strong enough effect on my bad eating habits or i just didn't follow the golden rules strictly enough!But after this band was fitted I actually had stomach ache and I feel a bit sickly. Struggling to eat anything tbh. I' m wondering if I am actually ill or if the hypnosis thing is too much? Anybody else felt physical symptoms after it?

SMTT01 Tue 05-Feb-13 09:19:16

Woo hoo I've lost 5lb since Friday and it not even my proper weigh in day! I only want to lose a stone all in all x

TheMaskedHorror Tue 05-Feb-13 09:47:09

Well done SMTT01!

After an early dinner yesterday, I felt a bist peckish and remembered the Godiva chocolates that dh bought me. I went to have a bit and I had 1 piece. I had no urge to have anymore and found putting it away again the most natural thing ever!
I would have scoffed the lot in one sitting before.

I just hope this continues!

I'm going to weigh myself on Saturday.

Jayneguest Tue 05-Feb-13 10:54:17

I keep following peoples comments with interest. There seems to be a bit of a split but many people are successful. Keep going is all I want to say. I know I have been using a hypnotist to help me and I think it was a much better option than reading a book that isnt aimed at me but go for it ! try anything

Loumumoffour Tue 05-Feb-13 14:11:25

I have lost a dress size!! I can now put my jeans on without undoing the button!! I had my first comment today 'Have you lost weight Louise??' It was such a wonderful feeling to know someone else has noticed the changes too.

bulshit Tue 05-Feb-13 15:00:54

HI Vampygirl, I am so pleased that you have lost 7lbs already. I do understand what you mean about thinking about food. I myself think about food, but like you I try to think am I really hungry.

For me is early days, I am only on day 2 and it's just after lunch time. I am going to stick at it as I feel this is my last chance to make a life time change.

I have been combining the gastric band with exercise. I installed the band yesterday and did my 20min walk then in the even I practice Zumba, it took me over one hour and twenty min to practice the moves plus the basic workout. This morning I done twenty five mins strength training and hopefully will do Zumba basic again tonight. Some of the moves in the Zumba are quite difficult but I take this as a challenge.

Hopefully I will win. I wish you luck and keep going. xxxxx

bulshit Tue 05-Feb-13 15:14:40

HI McKennp1, that's a good sign that you are experiencing pain. It proves that it is working. Keep going and I wish you the best.

Loosing weight is hard enough so if the individual can find a easier and safe way to achieve a good out come, I would say go for it

Good luck and keep being positive.xxx

bulshit Tue 05-Feb-13 15:15:27

HI Vampygirl, I am so pleased that you have lost 7lbs already. I do understand what you mean about thinking about food. I myself think about food, but like you I try to think am I really hungry.

For me is early days, I am only on day 2 and it's just after lunch time. I am going to stick at it as I feel this is my last chance to make a life time change.

I have been combining the gastric band with exercise. I installed the band yesterday and did my 20min walk then in the even I practice Zumba, it took me over one hour and twenty min to practice the moves plus the basic workout. This morning I done twenty five mins strength training and hopefully will do Zumba basic again tonight. Some of the moves in the Zumba are quite difficult but I take this as a challenge.

Hopefully I will win. I wish you luck and keep going. xxxxx

emmief77 Wed 06-Feb-13 16:42:16

Listened to trance CD last night (only been a few days since I listened to installation CD, but I couldn't wait any longer) .... So, there I am all snuggled up in bed listening to the trance on my iPod (have burnt the trance track onto it)... DH bowls in, turns on tv and en suite light... Not so relaxing then sad..
Try again tonight

brainonastick Wed 06-Feb-13 22:16:35

Hello, just marking my place for a week or so's time.

I read the book last night, and I just felt so positive today that I could actually do this and be free from eating issues. The basic rules in the book are just total common sense, but it made me realise how much I have lost touch with eating for hunger, rather than to alter my mood. And the more sugar/carbs i eat, the worse i feel, so the more i eat... Haven't even listened to the cd yet, and have been much more mindful today of eating. Have barely felt hungry at all, and just had some coco pops (my favourite) which tasted disgustingly sweet. This is weird!

I want to follow the rules though, so will stick with walking /exercise and keeping the high fat/sugar food to a minimum for a week or so before I 'install' the band.

I'm aiming to lose at least 3 stone in the next 6 months. My main concern is that the effects of the hypnosis will wear off after a few weeks.

AnneEyhtMeyer Wed 06-Feb-13 22:35:08

Hi brain. Eating consciously really seems to make a difference to how things taste, doesn't it?

I am nervous tonight, I started this last Thursday so will weigh myself tomorrow. I feel it has been going really well, and I haven't felt like I am on a diet at all, so I am really scared I won't have lost any weight. I'm also scared that the hypnosis will wear off, so I have decided to listen to the CD trance again tomorrow.

Loumumoffour Thu 07-Feb-13 07:22:43

It won't wear off. Also you can listen as often as you like to the cd to give the mindset of readjusting the band, also retread the book. The 4 rules help tremendously!

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 07-Feb-13 07:31:43

Just weighed myself - 6lbs lost!

I have a big grin on my face now!

Loumumoffour Thu 07-Feb-13 07:35:16

Fabulous Anne!! Way to go girl!!!!!! Xx

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 07-Feb-13 07:52:45

Thanks, Lou. grin

brainonastick Thu 07-Feb-13 09:08:12

Oh Anne! That's fantastic, you must be so chuffed!!

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 07-Feb-13 09:13:43

Thanks Brain, yes, I am totally chuffed. A long way to go, but it is a good start and the best bit is that it seems sustainable - I don't feel like I'm on a diet at all.

TheMaskedHorror Thu 07-Feb-13 09:31:00

Well done Anne! Thats a fab start, Almost half a stone already!
I'm weighing tomorrow. My jeans feel looser and dh thinks I have so I'm sure I've lost some weight.

Brain glad you feel so positive.

I'm worried about the effects wearing off too - especially on weekends - so I've decided to listen to it every friday night for the next couple of weeks.

The other thing I've realised is how mad was I to hardly chew my food before?? Chewing your food properly should be how you eat. It makes such a difference.

ripsishere Thu 07-Feb-13 09:43:53

Can I ask a question before I join? a friend had a proper gastric band fitted (she has lost around 15 stones so far) and another had a hypnotist fit one for her. Both 'complained' that you have such a small stomach capacity, you start to feel a bit sick after four tablespoons of food or fluid.
Is that the same with Mr McKennas one?

Loumumoffour Thu 07-Feb-13 09:45:25

It doesn't happen like that for me, I just reach a point agree I know I'm happily full.

Loumumoffour Thu 07-Feb-13 09:45:53

Where not agree!!

TheMaskedHorror Thu 07-Feb-13 09:51:42

No not at all. You're just more aware of when you're full and don't need to eat.
I have proper meals.
Yesterday I had a big bowl of porridge, a mexican beanburger (no bun), a few chips and some veg, a h/m biscuit then I wasn't really very hungry for dinner so had about 5 forkfuls of fish pie that I'd made. I just stopped when I was full.

angelinterceptor Thu 07-Feb-13 13:58:24

must admit I have been so inspired reading all your messages on this thread.
I just had to get the book, and I so want this to work - you wouldn't believe how much. I have all these great intentions and always seem to sabotage my good work within days of starting.

so called 'diets' are never any good, as I am a bit of a fussy eater, and find them very restrictive etc.

I started to read the book yesterday, but want to go over it properly tonight when I have more time, and hopefully some peace and quiet.

What do you all suggest, wait for a couple of days before installation, or 2 weeks?

Also, have you all told people what you are doing? Or is it a private thing - which was what I was thinking of doing.

brainonastick Thu 07-Feb-13 14:23:10

I'm waiting a few days - maybe a week, although I'm impatient to get going. But I'm practising the techniques (the 4 rules) even so, plus avoiding the high sugar/fat stuff - amazingly no mid-morning snack for me, and a small lunch and now I feel really full (actually, a bit too full). I think I want to give it the maximum chance to work, and to stop eating the sugary crap now and start to get over the sugary cravings now might help when its time for 'surgery'.

I've only told DH - and only in a jokey way. One of the benefits of this approach is that you can eat whatever you want, so you don't need to avoid social situations. You just only eat when you are hungry, and stop when you are full. And sit down to eat properly and consciously. So I don't see why you would need to tell anyone really, as you're not doing anything that a naturally thin person wouldn't do anyway.

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 07-Feb-13 14:23:34

Good luck, Angel!

I haven't told anyone apart from DH - because I had to explain why I wanted to always eat at the table and was leaving over half of my dinner! I haven't had to bother telling anyone else, because I am not on a diet where I can't have this or that. It is very liberating.

TheMaskedHorror Thu 07-Feb-13 14:52:03

I read the book and did the cd over a couple of days and initially I thought it wasnt working. I had to listen to the cd 2 more times before I felt it working. Perhaps if I'd done what it said to do ie wait 2 weeks, I wouldnt have had that issue?

I didnt want to tell anyone even dh but he found the book and laughed at me (not horribly but in 'what a silly idea, another faddy thing')
I'm determined to have the last laugh grin

angelinterceptor Thu 07-Feb-13 15:04:08

Thanks ladies, I wasn't even going to tell my DH - I think he would die laughing too.
Might just wait and see...

I will try to leave it for a week or so then - to get the best effect

Hope we all keep in touch and share our results

emmief77 Thu 07-Feb-13 17:38:37

Know how you feel about telling DH, mine has been taking the
mickey out of me... BUT, i felt really good today when a mum on the
School run (who i don't even know) asked me if i'm trying to lose
weight, cos it looked like it smile. One problem i do have is being
deaf in my right ear, and therefore not hearing anything that is
said that side. Am i right in thinking that Paul says different things to
each ear?

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 07-Feb-13 18:04:46

I have to admit I didn't tell DH until I had been doing it a few days - circumstances meant we weren't eating at the same time so he didn't notice.

Yes, emmie, Paul does say different things in each ear at the same time. Noticed it a lot more when I listened to the trance again today. Can you get to listen to it in mono rather than stereo so that it all comes through the same ear?

Fairygen Thu 07-Feb-13 18:22:30

Hi, I bought the book about a week ago and, to be honest was slightly scared of the hypnosis part. Never tried anything like this before. Decided to listen to the cd this am.... Well, I can't believe it, my stomach actually feels tighter! Hardly eaten anything today compared to usual, but think I've left it too long between meals as starting to get pretty hungry and dinner will be another 30 mins! Great first day though.

dundeemum Thu 07-Feb-13 20:43:05

ive read the book and am away to listen to the pre-op cd for two weeks while cutting out takeaways and processed foods (dont eat a lot anyway but will make sure i have none). Once you have fitted the gastric band, how often do you listen to that cd? Book says once a month for 6 months to maintain but i thought it wasnt clear if your still wanting to lose?

AnneEyhtMeyer Thu 07-Feb-13 20:53:34

Hi dundee - the book says to listen to the CD trance at least once a month until you have been at your target weight for 6 months.

I installed my band last Thursday, and I listened to the CD again today as I felt I wanted to. I think you can listen as often as you like.

ripsishere Fri 08-Feb-13 00:16:31

It all sounds very positive, especially the not feeling sick after four tbsns.
Must get on to ordering it. I won't be able to keep it quiet from my DH, all our non Malay mail goes to his school so he'd have to pick it up.

ShhBoom Fri 08-Feb-13 07:29:03

I had mine fitted last night. I have to admit I did it all in the same evening, so I haven't waited. But I didn't eat much junk yesterday & I know that if I told myself I couldn't eat any rubbish food for a few days that's all I'd want to eat, which is exactly why I've decided to give this a try. I've tried SW and its made me feel more guilty & crap than ever about eating.

I haven't eaten yet today but I'm ready feeling excited & liberated about not having to "diet". I'm going out for lunch & it's a weird feeling knowing that I don't have to worry about eating something that's low in syns.

TheMaskedHorror Fri 08-Feb-13 08:15:31

I have lost 7lbs!!

I'm so chuffed.

I am bfing so perhaps my weight loss is more than normal but this is dc3 and I've never been able to lose weight whilst bfing unless I diet.
And I've been eating what I want including proper meals, biscuits and chocolate. The only difference is that I've only eaten when I'm hungry and I've chewed my food properly and eaten slowly.

Fairygen Fri 08-Feb-13 09:14:15

Wow that's amazing! Desperately trying not to jump on the scales at every opportunity as I get disheartened when my weight increases some days ( which I know it does naturally)

Only day 2 for me but really enjoying eating rather than stuffing myself stupid, and chewing has changed my whole outlook on food. No more walking around feeling bloated. I love not being on a diet .I spend a lot of time eating at my
Families houses . Now I don't have to worry about preparing and taking my special lunch etc and then eating what they do, spending the rest of the day beating myself up about it.....I'm free at last !!

Just wondered if anyone noticed that they are running to the loo more? Perhaps I've just been drinking more fluids.

Also, I enjoy a few glasses of wine at the weekend. Obviously we are eating less so less food to absorb the alcohol. Does alcohol affect anyone differently now?

It's so inspirational to hear everyone's success stories and advice x

Mummug Fri 08-Feb-13 09:33:21

Hi all, been doing this for 3 weeks now and I have lost 11 pounds. Delighted! I lost 2 stone last year on the ICMYT, but got caught up changing my life (thanks to PMsmile) - opening a shop/starting a brand new business that I relied on convenience and grabbing what I could when I could and didn't follow the rules! Needless to say, I was back to where I started 3 weeks ago. 10 months on, I am in a routine now and can plan my eating more and it's so liberating I am euphoric!
Paul McKenna really has changed my life. My business is going from strength to strength, my relationship with my (Aspergers) husband is on the mend (maybe that's for another threadwink) and I am finally in control of emotional eating habits that have meant I have been obese for most of my adult life.
I have a lot to lose (7 stone in total) but nearly 1 off, 6 to go. Will keep you posted. It's lovely to have like minded people to share the journey. Thanks for the inspiration x

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 08-Feb-13 09:52:06

Brilliant news Masked and Mummug! That's such a lot! Well done! grin

brainonastick Fri 08-Feb-13 10:18:45

Wow, congratulations Mummug and masked!

angelinterceptor Fri 08-Feb-13 12:37:06

Well done on your weight loss so far masked and mummug - its stories like yours which inspire me to give this a try.

I have the book, but didnt get a chance to read it last night - went to tennis instead. Maybe get an opportunty over the weekend.

Just really want to get started though - dont think I could wait another 2 weeks! Or cut out sweets and fat - I mean if I could control my cravings for sugar for 2 weeks, I wouldnt need to be doing the plan in the first place!

chinhealer Fri 08-Feb-13 12:58:38

@angelinterceptor and emmie - I bought Hypnotic Gastric Band from ASDA in the morning. I told nearest and dearest the Four Golden Rules I intended to follow (while I was making the evening meal that day.) She guffawed like a loon. Until she saw the hurt in my eyes. She stopped laughing and started mollifying me! Over the next three weeks, she has seen the wholesale transformation in my eating habits, my portion sizes and my body. And she has joined me (although, perhaps, less assiduously) in following the rules. (Mind you, she is not overweight at all and doesn't need to lose all the fat that I do.) She has also been incredibly supportive and encouraging to me. And, to be fair, I don't begrudge her the initial mockery. My food-faddishness in the past laid me open to a smidge of scepticism! And even I was doubting my ability to stick to the rules. But I have done so religiously and am feeling great and motivated and lighter and like I've found the Holy Grail!

chinhealer Fri 08-Feb-13 13:16:23

@lynniep - I think one of the issues with Weight Watchers is that they encourage neurotic beliefs about and behaviour towards food. PM's approach is very natural and sensible indeed. And he would want you to relax around food rather than obsess over it, like diet clubs tend to.

Personally, I'd say that you should try just following the Four Golden Rules (to the letter!) for at least a month before even contemplating the gastric band hypnosis. If you can train yourself to be sensitive to your body's signals of hunger and satiety, if you can eat only when focusing 100% on each mouthful (by chewing a minimum of 20 times and away from all distractions including TV and reading material and, even, conversation), then I think you can achieve what you haven't been able to achieve with WW.

I haven't counted a single calorie. I have stuck rigidly (but that has been effortless and truly enjoyable) to the Four Golden Rules, I have savoured every single mouthful of food I have eaten and I am exercising sensibly too. I have never been able to lose weight before. And I have always exercised, so my activity level was never the problem. My food intake (quality and quantity) was.

Please have a look at my blog to see that I haven't been denying myself any food at all:


I simply have had no desire whatsoever to eat a single crisp or chocolate or biscuit or cake etc for three weeks now! I've never in my life gone more than a day or two without at least one of those! (And, more often than not, many of those together!) I think that, by maximizing the enjoyment I do get from the wholesome food I do eat, I have, basically, forgotten about junk food altogether! (In the knowledge that nothing is banned or even frowned-upon the PM way!)

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 08-Feb-13 16:58:05

I've been out all day today and just got in. It was only when I was sorting DD's dinner that I realised I had forgotten about my lunch. I have never forgotten a meal before.

TheMaskedHorror Fri 08-Feb-13 17:27:53

Its weird isnt it?

I listened to the cd again last night. I still dont know what PMK says as I fall asleep at the counting bit every time.

I went to a friends house and she put out a plate of cakes with coffee. I was not even tempted by them.
I didnt feel hungry at all then all of a sudden I felt and heard my tummy rumbling and realised it was 1.30!

AnneEyhtMeyer Fri 08-Feb-13 17:49:17

Chin - did you wait a month before listening to the CD trance? I can't imagine that I could have made any real headway if I hadn't listened to it.

I fell asleep the first time, but have read up on it and apparently even if you fall asleep the hypnosis message still goes in. I don't think I would have managed to follow the 4 Golden Rules without cheating or lapsing if I hadn't had the hypnosis.

ShhBoom Fri 08-Feb-13 18:12:13

Congratulations masked & mummug that's fantastic!

Well my first day with the band "fitted" has been a bit of a disaster. I had horrendously painful heartburn this morning, i was doubled over in pain, and phlegm pouring from my mouth & nose.. delightful! My mum rung the doctors and straight away he said to go to A&E! After 2 hours of it it eventually calmed down, and i'm okay now, although still suffering with a bit of heartburn. The doctor at the hospital did all sorts of tests but didn't find anything & he wants me to have an endoscopy. Anyway, my mum is CONVINCED it's because i had the Gastric band fitted... I think that's completely mad, but it is a bit of a coincidence. I think i'll listen to the CD again tonight as since i've been out of hospital i've eaten loads, and haven't stuck to the 4 rules at all.
I'm so desperate for this to work, fingers crossed i'll have a better day tomorrow!

NotHerRealname Fri 08-Feb-13 19:19:01

After a good start with my weight loss (5 pounds in the first week), I have not lost anymore in the last week and a half. I know I shouldn't be weighing myself everyday but I can't help myself! I have been following the four golden rules really well, except a couple of times I have got distracted whilst eating and forgotten to chew 20 times. Overall its going well but I just think I might have reached a plateau this week. Weigh-in on Tuesday so time will tell.

Loumumoffour Fri 08-Feb-13 19:22:46

Great stuff!!

Mummug Fri 08-Feb-13 20:20:37

NotHerRealName, on week 2, I GAINED 4 pounds and hopped right back off the scales! Kept on track and thanks to the havening CD, I didn't get too worked up. I think it's natural to go up and down in the short term. I was racking my brains too - was I eating too much? Did I not chew properly? Was I shovelling it back unconciously? No, I was sticking to the rules and it did show the following week. Keep on track and don't get disheartened. x

chinhealer Sat 09-Feb-13 01:41:48

@AnneEyhtMeyer - I bought the book in the morning. I had finished reading it by evening. And, somehow, during the course of reading it, I knew that this had the potential of changing everything. My eating habits had been so horrendous - up till the day that I bought the book - that following the Four Golden Rules was enough to seriously transform things for me.

I didn't do any of that pre-op malarkey that PM talks about. I just started to follow the rules and I knew instantly that, if I stuck to them, my life with food would be radically different. And it has been! I think I listened to the CD a few days later. But, by then, the rules had become pretty well ingrained and I didn't really feel the need to fit the gastric band. And, actually, I fell asleep listening to the CD. I didn't particularly like the idea of the band. I don't really want to feel full after a few mouthfuls. I don't think a few mouthfuls is enough nutrition for me! And I don't think it 'stuck' anyway. Because I am eating very decent-sized meals. Just nowhere near as much as I used to. And snacking is a thing of the past. It is true that, no matter how hungry I am, I am feeling a certain degree of satisfaction after only a few mouthfuls. But I was feeling that as soon as I began following the rules anyway.

The biggest change is that, over the past three weeks of following the rules, I have become very good at distinguishing between the various stages on PM's Hunger Scale. So I am now pretty adept at predicting where I'm going to end up on the scale when I plate up! This means I'm not wasting food at all and not having to leave any behind. The only exception to this is the bowl of fruit'n'nuts which accompanies almost every meal of mine. It is the last thing I tuck into at any meal. And I know that, if I am full or pleasingly satisfied or, even, neutral after a couple of mouthfuls of fruit'n'nuts, I'll just leave the rest and resurrect it for the next meal.

I understand that some people overeat/eat the wrong foods because of emotional reasons. I don't think I was particularly an emotional eater. I had just fallen into awful habits over many years. And my body's satiety signals (and my interpretation of them) was completely wrecked! But distracted eating was the major reason for that. (Primarily TV, but also radio or music or a newspaper or a book or conversation!) Three weeks ago was the first time I actually focused on my food - on every single mouthful - since I was a young child. I think I remember PM saying in Gastric Band that unless you're not willing to give up TV and all other distractions when eating, he can't help you. I agree. I took that to heart. I think almost all of my crisps/chocolate/junk food consumption in the past has been distracted eating. And my supersized portions and second and third helpings have also been as a result of distracted eating.

If the gastric band works for people, that's fine. But I don't know quite how to process ShhBoom's terrible experience. Was it really as a result of the band? Was it coincidence?

Unlike many who will try the Gastric Band and the Four Rules for the first time, I have never, really been on a diet as such. I've never calorie counted. I've never been to WW or SW etc. I think I am lucky that I never did any of those things because I get the impression that they tend to mess with most people's brains and attitudes towards food and hunger. Maybe some of those who are having difficulty with the Four Rules and/or the gastric band have a lot of that diet industry programming to uninstall and that's why they are not finding PM's methods easy to follow?

Is there anyone else on here who has never really bought into the diet industry before? And if so, how are you finding PM's methods?

Jeez! That's a ramble-and-a-half! Apologies! But I am passionate about the Four Golden Rules and it saddens me somewhat that some others are finding difficulties with them.

chinhealer Sat 09-Feb-13 01:45:55

"unless you're NOT willing to give up TV and all other distractions when eating, he can't help you."

should read:

"unless you're WILLING to give up TV and all other distractions when eating, he can't help you."

neverputasockinatoaster Sat 09-Feb-13 14:54:09

Hi, I wonder if I might join you?

I have always felt PMK talks a lot of sense and tries ICMYT a few times last year but fell easily at hurdles.

Then I read this thread and the gastric band book was reduced on Amazon so I bought it. I 'fitted' the band on Thursday but then spent Friday out with my mum. Friday am I had a small breakfast, I wasn't hungry but I had to drive my kids to school and then on to Peterborough ( 2 hours or so ) and didn't want to get to the point where a service station (and chocolate) were succumed too. However I was satisified by only the smallest of slices of malt loaf. I did take a cereal bar in the car and ate that as mindfully as I could! On arrival at the Shopping centre Mum and me normally have a cup of coffee and a cake but I only had coffee as I wasn't hungry. It was a struggle to eat mindfully at lunch as I was with mum and chatting so I know I ate too much. However I didn't want our usual biscuit with afternoon tea. Once I got home I had far less of my tea than I normally would.

Last night I listened to the CD again and today I have only eaten when hungry (so far!). I had a mini pot of peanuts and raisins after lunch but I hardly ate any as I just didn't want them. This is nothing short of miraculous!

However, I feel I am going to struggle with the undistracted eating thing.... My DS has an ASD and we are currently trying to get him to eat sociably at the table so meal times are about teaching him. We HAVE to eat together to set the example. So mealtimes with the children are tough! I am putting my knife and fork down and trying to count mouthfuls and I have stopped having a drink with meals.

Breakfast and lunch will be OK I think......

Wish me luck!

Hi there - delurking to say I was inspired by this thread to get the book etc earlier this week. I need to lose about 2 stone. I've been trying to eat more healthily for about the last year which I have achieved to a significant extent but have only lost a few pounds in weight ( maybe 4 or 5). I read the book and then listened to the CD last night.

I've just eaten my first main meal since listening to the CD. I've tried to eat it more slowly and mindfully and listen to my body's "full" signals.
I now seem to be suffering from a lot of wind - keep burping and my stomach hurts and feels like a bit of a hard knot inside. Did anyone else experience anything like this? Ive eaten the same sort of lunch that I've eaten on other occasions (chilli con carne with pasta, a banana and a small portion of dried fruits, nuts and seeds) and I've never had a reaction like this before. Anyone know what is going on?

Oh - and another question - on the CD where you do that counting back from 400 bit - are you supposed to be keeping going with that while you listen to all the rest of it ( or at least when you remember to) and if not, when do you stop - I wasn't sure!

I have to admit as I was listening to bits of it, part of my mind was saying "oh yeah, right" sarcastically but he does say you don't actually have to believe in it for it to work so I'm hoping this isn't too much of an obstacle!

TheMaskedHorror Sat 09-Feb-13 15:28:44

Sorry educatingarti I've never got past 388! I've always just fallen asleep.

AnneEyhtMeyer Sat 09-Feb-13 15:55:18

Chin I definitely agree with the Four Golden Rules being the main part of this, and the mindful eating has been a revelation. However I think the hypnosis CD also has a strong part in my success so far because I am visualising my stomach filling up as I eat. I physically do not want to eat too much. I am not thinking about food all day. This is not like me at all and I don't believe I could have got to this stage so quickly had I not listened to the CD and installed the band.

educating I had small pains and discomfort after fitting the band. I think he says in the book this is normal. Also not liking foods you previously loved (see my previous comment about the cake!).

innerbeauty Sat 09-Feb-13 23:17:22

Hiya! Ive been enjoying reading this thread, and wanted to add my positive feedback on Paul McKenna- 18months ago, I was 80 kilos. I listened to 'I can make you thin', and today I'm 53 kgs, so dont give up, cos hypnosis really works! My 21 year old son now uses the gastric band hypnosis, and I know it will work for him(he needs to lose at least 30 kilos)So hang in there, it does take time and perseverance, but, boy it sure is worth it!

chinhealer Sun 10-Feb-13 01:15:09

Hi educatingarti,
Yes, I think you are supposed to keep counting as long as you remember to. And if you forget and then remember that you're supposed to be counting some time later, resume from where you left off (vaguely.) The old counting backwards trick is just a good way to focus your brain and relax you.

I know I've said it before and I seem to say it every day on here, but I really do believe that most people should do brilliantly just following the Four Golden Rules strictly. The hypnotic gastric band is kinda superfluous for me. And also, I don't believe the gastric band is good enough on its own if you then regularly break one or more of the Four Golden Rules. But if anyone's experience contradicts that belief, feel free to share!

chinhealer Sun 10-Feb-13 01:20:58

@AnneEyhtMeyer - fair enough. If the gastric band has helped you more than the rules alone would have done, that's great. And PM acknowledges that not everyone succeeds with the rules on their own.

In my case, however, all the benefits you describe came about simply with the rules. (And, actually, I felt a kind of paradigm shift in thinking about food while I was reading the Gastric Band book and even before I'd implemented any of the rules!)

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 10-Feb-13 07:26:42

I do think as you listened to the trance it is difficult to say whether or not it affected you, chin! If you hadn't listened to it it would be easier to know if it was just the rules or a combination of both. I do agree just reading the book starts the process, though.

TreadOnTheCracks Sun 10-Feb-13 10:48:17

I am reading the book now so checking in for a nosey.

Fairygen Sun 10-Feb-13 18:18:17

@chin, I do agree that following the Four Golden Rules is the key to success, although, I felt satisfied at lunch yesterday ( nearly one round of beans on toast), had a couple more mouthfulls... then thought I was going to be ill ! I'm ashamed to say that I could have quite easily eaten lunch for 4 people before!

Everyone is different so I'm not surprised different aspects work better for some than others, as long as we're all getting healthier and thinner! X

angelinterceptor Sun 10-Feb-13 22:30:26

I'm going to read the book properly tonight and maybe do installation later this week.
Need To share the rules with DH which he will think is another fad no doubt.
Keep posting everyone it's very helpful to us newbies.

chinhealer Mon 11-Feb-13 02:03:47

@AnneEyhtMeyer - heehee... of course, you have a point. But by the time I listened to the hypnosis, I was already firmly ensconced in my new way of eating. And I had already given up (naturally, without effort etc) more than 90% of the junk food and ready meals in my food consumption. And my portion sizes had plummeted. I suppose you could say that listening to the hypnosis reinforced all that and that, without it, I'd never have stuck to the rules. (I don't believe that's the case as I felt an inner transformation well before I listened to the CD, but I guess I'll never truly know now!) No matter.

BTW, today was the first time I experienced what some others have been mentioning about not feeling hungry at all. Here's what happened to me:


I have the feeling that my body is getting better at efficiently using the fuel I supply to it, so I don't need to refuel too often!

chinhealer Mon 11-Feb-13 02:22:35

@Fairygen - ummmm... I've seen several comments along the lines of 'feeling ill if I eat another mouthful'! I suppose that is a good deterrent. But I don't much like feeling ill myself! Even in the cause of losing weight/fat! I wonder if you had stopped a few mouthfuls earlier would you have prevented this ill feeling?

On most occasions, I have stopped eating once I am pleasantly satisfied. (Sometimes neutral.) That way, I usually don't even get to full. I think that is preventing my ever feeling ill in the way that you (and others) describe.

What's amazing to me is that I am able to stop well before full most of the time. It's no exaggeration to say that before three weeks ago, with almost every single meal I have had as an adult, I haven't stopped eating until I was stuffed (or worse!)

Fairygen Mon 11-Feb-13 14:10:32

@chin. I normally eat until I feel neutral, just continued as I wasn't totally convinced the band hypnosis had worked for me. I now know it has!

I've noticed on here that many people say they have 'gone off 'food or 'forget' to eat. I still feel hungry, but when I eat I can only eat a little. Also I have stopped snacking between meals. My food shopping bill is about a quarter of what it was!!

The only problems I have had so far are, getting my head round eating what I want to eat not what I think I should. I have been dieting on and off for 20 years so that's a hell of a habit to break!! I'm also no where near to eating 5 portions of fruit and veg. I've started to have fruit for breakfast and try to eat as much veg as poss, but I'm not eating enough food to get my 5 a day!

Like you, I'm just happy to be in control of my eating, for the first time ever!

Loumumoffour Mon 11-Feb-13 21:34:28

Great to hear everyone's doing so well!! Xx

AnneEyhtMeyer Mon 11-Feb-13 22:06:47

Big test for me coming up - about to go on holiday. Will make sure I listen to the trance whilst away to keep on track!

Loumumoffour Mon 11-Feb-13 23:15:09

Have a great holiday!! X

wouldratherbeonthebeach Mon 11-Feb-13 23:30:37

I finally listened to the cd today having read the book 3 times over the last week. So far so good, eaten half what I would normally eat today and really helped with the cravings. How often do you listen to the cd? With ICMYT I listened to it every other day but can't see that happening at the moment

Loumumoffour Tue 12-Feb-13 07:26:39

Listen as often as you feel the need.

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 12-Feb-13 07:44:15

Weighed myself this morning pre-holiday - lost another 3lbs, so that is 9lb in 12 days! Hope the holiday doesn't derail me!

brainonastick Tue 12-Feb-13 09:04:28

Hi everyone - glad to hear you're all doing well.

AnneEyhtMeyer - that's great news! It wouldn't be surprising if your loss slowed or stopped for a week anyway after that huge loss, and you can easily still follow the rules on holiday whatever you are eating. Have a great time and don't worry about it too much!

I finally listened to the CD on Friday night, although just reading the book at the start of last week and thinking about the 4 rules helped immediately.

I was pretty sure the hypnosis CD hasn't made much of a difference, as I was 'conscious' throughout, and also thinking how silly it was with one part of my brain. But... I have definitely found myself feeling less hungry since then, which is a big deal for me as I cannot stand the ravenous feeling you get on normal diets. No snacking on rubbish - just the odd bit of fruit or nuts, and I even left some of my dinner last night and DH nearly fell off his chair! And even more amazing, I've started doing some exercise again - first time in a year.

Importantly, I'm feeling so positive that this is do-able for the long term. I don't need to feel like I'm depriving or punishing myself, I can feel good about myself right now, rather than when I reach X stone, and if I can stay tuned in to just doing what my body really wants (good food and exercise) then this one just might work.

I'm going to listen to the CD again soon anyway, to get it really imprinted on my brain - I get worried that after the excitement of the first few weeks I'll get bored and go back to my old habits again.

Weigh in on Wednesday (which will be about half the week just following the rules, and half after hypnosis as well), so we shall see - although have lost 2 pounds already (I get too excited not to weigh myself every day, I find it quite motivating).

frumperina Tue 12-Feb-13 09:18:29

Hello, I found this thread on Thursday, got the book on Friday and installed the band last night. I need to get rid of almost 4 stone. While reading the book and thinking about my eating I realised how much of an emotional eater I am. Strangely( or maybe not) I was actually nervous of installing the band, a bit scared that I would't manage if I can't as much. How crazy is that!
Anyway, I'm not really interested in food this morning so I'm hoping I'm off to a good start.

carolinemeg Tue 12-Feb-13 09:28:33

hi i read and listened to my paul mckenna hypnotic gastric band book and cd last night, i was just wondering how often i can listen to the trance cd? i really want to succeed at this!! thanks

brainonastick Tue 12-Feb-13 09:36:08

I think you can listen to it as often as you want carolinemeg

frumperina you need to change your name, you won't be frumpy any more! I agree, for me its all about the emotional eating. I was nervous about the hypnosis bit as well - a bit like losing control over my eating. Even though I knew that it was the emotional eating that was the problem, for someone to tell me that that's OK, and to give me strategies to overcome those times when I would reach for food to make me feel better...it's like I can finally feel myself feeling like 'me' again. Its a revelation, I tell you!

angelabbie Tue 12-Feb-13 10:20:33

Hi everyone. Well I have just finished my third week and have lost six pounds and it has all be effortlessly. Not a huge loss like some of you have done which is amazing but a loss. During that time I have been out to dinner three times having a couple of drinks each time and have only exercised twice. My job as a children's party entertainer keeps me fit lol. I listen to the trance once or twice a week. I do find it very hard to totally focus on my eating as I have three children, one of which is always with me so never complete peace to eat but as long as I am concentrating its fine. I have a total of around 2 stone to lose.


brainonastick Tue 12-Feb-13 14:27:10

2 pounds a week is ideal angelabbie, nice and steady. Well done!

I'll take a steady rate where I'm not starving and the time isn't dragging by agonisingly slowly any day. It might mean that I follow it through!

dundeemum Tue 12-Feb-13 20:00:57

i fitted the gastric band on sunday and have really noticed a difference in my eating. I was following ww before and always used tuesday after weigh in to have a treat and eat what i wanted for my evening meal so today was a test for me when i went to tescos after work. I wasnt interested in the crisps and chocolates that were on the shelves and bought some yoghurt covered raisins and roasted pistachio nuts for snacking for the rest of the week. Had a very healthy meal of a small dollop of mashed potato, home made cannellini bean stew and vegetables. I actually feel like im ready to lose a lot of weight this time and stop snacking on sweets, biscuits etc

chinhealer Tue 12-Feb-13 20:17:42

Hi Fairygen,

Yes, I've had a similar experience re. shopping bills! I cut out the chilled/ microwaveable/ready-made aisles altogether these days... and the confectionery aisles... and the cakes/puddings/biscuits/crisps sections... definitely left with a lighter shopping trolley and a reduced hit to the wallet! (And the recycling bin was a lot lighter this week too with all that reduced packaging!)

It's interesting what you say about your '5-a-day'. I think that's a bit of an arbitrary rule that sounds good and is easy to remember, but might not always be easy to implement unless we're eating 5-6 meals in a day. (Which, if we're eating only to satisfy hunger, we shouldn't be!)

I'm not going to worry excessively about 5-a-day. My food intake yesterday might have included 4.5 of my 5:


And, actually, I've just had a look back at my consumption since I started following the Four Golden Rules and I find that I have managed to eat at least 3 and, more often, 4 or 5 of my 5-a-day. I guess most of my meals are largely based around vegetables. And I have often had a mixed bowl of fruit and nuts as a daily staple which accompanies each meal. And I have not had a single day where I eat more than three meals altogether. So perhaps, if and when I come to tweak my intake even further, I could reduce the amount of starchy foods and increase the veggies slightly.

One way to - occasionally - boost your fruit'n'veggie intake might be to do some juicing. But please don't overdo that either:


I'm very pleased that you also feel in control of your eating. Well done so far and I'm sure you will be able to transform your dieting mindset very quickly.

chinhealer Tue 12-Feb-13 20:23:59

Hi dundeemum,

I've definitely found that my 'treats' nowadays are the wholesome, homemade, seriously tasty meals I am now eating as opposed to the empty, processed, God-knows-what-goes-in-'em calories found in my former treats of crisps and chocolates and ice creams and puddings and etc! Because I am finding every single, conscious mouthful a treat, the rubbish 'treats' I used to overdose on are very, very far from my mind now.

Well done for making the change and let us know how you get on.

Fairygen Wed 13-Feb-13 07:06:22

Hi all,
Just completed my first week, and a loss of 5.5 lbs. Really pleased as I haven't felt at all deprived, or guilty. Had one little slip up, eating pop corn in front of the tv....the bag just vanished!!

Funnily enough, my family who thought the whole HGB was hilarious, now want to borrow the book!!!

JakeBullet Wed 13-Feb-13 07:17:24

Marking my place here as I have the book which I am half way through reading. Not listened to the CD yet but DS is going away for half term and so I am hoping to do it then.

brainonastick Wed 13-Feb-13 08:51:23

First week - 3 pounds lost. Hooray! That's par for the course for me for a first diet week, but the difference this time is that I'm not on a 'diet'.

I won't say how much I have still to lose blush.....

wouldratherbeonthebeach Wed 13-Feb-13 11:41:03

All a bit strange, I'm not sure what to do with my time!!! I'm not hungry but I would usually to picking but my head is telling me not togrin. Ate half a croissant for breakfast and could hardly breathesmile. Also been drinking loads of water and fruit tea which can only be a good thing. It has even helped a bit with the Kitkat craving!!!

brainonastick Wed 13-Feb-13 12:08:50

Yes, its wierd being conscious of the amount of head space eating took up isn't it?! Its made me realise that half the reason I eat ate so much at work was because I am BORED out of my mind. So now I realise this, I can spend my time much more productively - mumsnetting to alleviate the boredom!

frumperina Wed 13-Feb-13 20:37:51

brainonastick I think I was born frumpy, weight seems to make no difference to my ability to make everything I wear look like a bin bag. grin

Well yesterday and today have been interesting. I have not had any snacks at all. Had a small breakfast and lunch and no seconds(or thirds) at dinner both days. I am really watching my responses and I just have no interest in food. Amazing.
I went to the supermarket yesterday and DD was being a bit of a nightmare and it was all a bit stressful and yet I had NO desire at all to get a family pack of tiramisu and scoff the lot when I got home.( which would have been my normal response to that situation).

I listened to the trance again last night but I think I'll leave it for a bit now and concentrate on training myself in the 4 golden rules.
DD was asleep in the buggy today when I had some lunch at home and I realised normally I would either eat while reading or while on the internet if she is not there.Its quite an effort to sit down and just eat quietly and not do anything else.

golfsierra Wed 13-Feb-13 20:42:55

Hi everyone - I'm new to this but have read the posts about the Gastric Band (virtual variety!) with great interest. Great to hear that so many people are experiencing success.

I am now at the end of my second week after "fitting" the band (via Paul McKenna) and I cannot believe the effect it has had on both me and my husband. We both have quite a lot of weight to lose and, whilst we have previously had some success on "traditional" diets (SW) we have spent the whole time thinking about food and, inevitably, we have both put it all back on and more. Cue despondancy and lack of motivation. However, after some recent experience with NLP we both decided to give this a try and - wow! what a change in our whole outlook on food and life in general. We both feel so positive and are really amazed at the difference to how we now view food. I used to live from one meal to the next and have huge portions but after fitting the band I have undergone a complete change in how I think about food. I still really enjoy my food and now appreciate the taste, smell and textures like I never have before. I don't feel I am depriving myself of anything - because I am not! If I want something sweet I have it and enjoy it, but I am now in control and only have enough - not stuff my face like before. I did experience some discomfort on the first day - like heartburn, but that soon wore off.

My husband lost 6lb the first week (!!***!!), I lost 2lb which previously would have made me very despondent but it hasn't - I feel SO much brighter, fitter and positive that I know the weight will come off in its own good time. My days no longer revolve around food and eating. I have much more energy and inclination to do other things and often forget meals altogether - so I'm obviously not feeling hungry.

I can't understand how it all works - but it does. Eating consciously makes so much difference to how I enjoy food. I am not on a diet and don't ever intend to go down that route again. I know it is early days but I feel an almost missionary zeal. Has there been a downside? No - apart from the initial heartburn - maybe I've been abducted by aliens!

Hi everyone. I have literally just fitted my gastric band. So will see how it goes. Only thin I'm a bit worried about is I couldn't understand half of what he was saying as he was talking 2 different things at the same time. Does that matter? I was listening to the cd through the DVD player so didn't have ear phones in. I need to lose about a stone so hoping that this combined with some exercise will do the trick as have found it really difficult to lose weight since ds was born. And he's 3 now!

rlucysnow Thu 14-Feb-13 10:45:10

Hi everyone,
Have been watching this thread for last couple of weeks. So I'm a firm believer in hypno and see my therapist once a month for phobia/ general relaxation. We've hit on the subject of food so many times as I'm obvs as emotional eater!! I fitted my band a couple of weeks ago and have to say I can't believe the difference. Just small changes at first, really noticing the amount of food I was using to prepare a meal for my family .... And we do like to eat a lot! I Lost a good stone and half last year (sw) prior to big hol but slowly noticed it creeping back on.
Can't believe how much headspace I've got now, whilst no longer spending my time obsessing about food whether I'm at home or work.
Ive listened to the cd three times so far and I think the third time something really changed, like the penny dropped. That was three days ago and my appetite has virtually disappeared. Had a cheeky weigh this morning and overjoyed at the result! Good luck everyone and I look forward to reading more xx

goldengirl18 Thu 14-Feb-13 15:03:32

Hi everyone, can i join in please, i had my band fitted this morning, i read the book yesterday and CD1 and did the install after the kids went to school, when i had my breakfast 2 scrambled eggs, i could only eat half of the bowl so threw the rest away, i didn't know/think it would start to work so quickly..................I'm desperate to lose some weight, so REALLY hope that this works, to give me the extra boost i need, it was also so inspiring finding this thread and reading all your positive stories. thanks folks and good luck with your own journeys smile

neverputasockinatoaster Thu 14-Feb-13 17:04:22

Interesting experience today - I had a snack before I went for a training walk ( doing the Moonwalk in May) as I wouldn't have had time if I'd had lunch first. I work part time.

After my 4 mile walk I then went to get my lunch. I was hungry. I nosed in the bag of lunch and 2 slices of malt loaf called to me so I ate them..... Then I had something else - some nuts and rasins. I still had a sandwich and crisps in my bag. Normally I'd have eaten all that. I opened the crisps out of habit.. ate 2 and then thought 'nah' and put them aside.

So, maybe it is working after all?

goldengirl18 Thu 14-Feb-13 18:07:22

Hi all,

I've a couple of questions
1. what do you do when your hungry, but your going out for a meal later, as we are tonight, do i eat now, knowing that i won't be hungry when i'm in the restaurant (1 hour from now)?
2. does tasting when cooking count as eating, i mean like 2 grains of rice to see if its cooked

Cheers peeps

Fairygen Thu 14-Feb-13 18:35:37

@goldengirl, I'm by no means an expert (only been doing this just over a week) but I had a similar problem so had a biscuit just so I wouldn't be starving and go mad when I ate out. It kept the hunger at bay for long enough.

I always taste when I'm cooking, but keep an eye on it because I used to eat my body weight before I even sat at the table!!

Well - up to today I thought I'd done quite well ( listened to CD last Friday) but totally binged on chocolate and crisps ( 2 packets of French fries and 3 chocolate bar things) while I was at the library and at Aldi's this afternoon. I think I was quite hungry when I went which didn't help, but things are complicated by having glucose intolerance so I'm only supposed to have 3 meals a day and not snack in between so although I knew I was hungry by about 4.00pm I didn't have anything more to eat then. I'm going to have to see if I can find a way to manage that better. Probably didn't have a big enough lunch because I only had a short time to get it and there was very little in fridge hence trip to Aldi.

Fairygen Fri 15-Feb-13 09:53:12

Decided to listen to the CD again last night for the second time. Managed to relax deeper than ever, without the dog scratching to get in the bedroom and my teenage daughters music!!

Noticing even more of a difference this morning, struggling to do my monthly Internet grocery shop because I don't really fancy anything in particular!!

On the down side, I struggled to sleep last night, and the night I first installed the band. This is not like me at all as I usually sleep 9.30-5.30. Admittedly I don't feel tired this morning.

Has anyone else noticed this?

chinhealer Fri 15-Feb-13 15:55:18


Re. the restaurant dilemma, I think you have a few options:

1. If you are sufficiently hungry, eat a meal now. (When you are hungry.) Eat till you are pleasantly satisfied or full. Go to the restaurant simply for the company and conversation and, possibly, drinks.

2. Eat a small snack/meal now until you are slightly hungry or neutral and, by the time you come to eat in the restaurant, you will be able to eat a small meal.

3. Drink some water. Or a coffee. Or tea. Or herbal tea. Or coconut water. Or, at a stretch, a freshly juiced juice. None of these - in moderate quantities - should fill you up, but any of these should be enough to tide you over for an hour or so. Then you will be hungry again at the restaurant.

As for the tasting food thing, I've done a fair amount of that myself. I've even done a bit of that when I wasn't particularly hungry. (Which, technically speaking, isn't following the rules.) But, really, since the quantities consumed are so small, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Besides which, I don't think we need to get too neurotic about PM's rules any more than we should about diets and their rules! You talk of a few grains of rice, but I'd suggest that a mouthful or two doesn't do any harm on the whole.

Having said that, I suppose it is possible that, for some people, even the extra grain or two of rice would be enough to destabilize the whole enterprise - akin to an alcoholic who's trying to give up only having a sip or two of shandy... if you feel that even a grain or two of rice will put you on the slippery slope back to unconscious eating and overeating etc, then avoid tasting and get others in your family to, if that's an option.

harryhausen Sat 16-Feb-13 08:44:44

So glad I found this thread.

I've just read the Hypno Gastric Band book and am getting ready to do the prep for my 'surgery'.

Weirdly though, even since just reading the book I feel less hungry. I'm waiting until Monday morn to walk my 20mins a day.

Quite exciting treally

Hello! Can I join you? I finished my reading and the exercises listened to the pre op bit this morning and fell asleep (ds was up at 5), so think I'll try and do pre op again and do the trance tomorrow.

I'm going to clear the dining table of toys and ironing so I can eat in there now! It terrible we don't already, but its a handy room to hide the washing!!

buildingmycorestrength Mon 18-Feb-13 09:29:38

I have ordered my copy. Would be very interested to know how OP (lynnie?) is getting on?

goldengirl18 Tue 19-Feb-13 10:32:19

Morning everyone, hope you're having a good week, how are you all getting on?

brainonastick Tue 19-Feb-13 10:42:29

Do you know, I've had a rubbish week! I had a rotten few days at work, and one of the DCs was ill, so little sleep for a few days. So I have been ignoring some of the rules (eating in front of the TV, had a couple of chocolate bars when I've not been hungry etc). I've been quite aware of when I'm ignoring them though, so not totally mindless eating, and I've still been better at stopping when full at meal time - eg I left quite a lot of a take away curry.

I plan to weigh in tomorrow and see the damage, and listen to the CD again tonight. Its on my ipod now, so I should be able to give it my full attention.

How's everyone else doing?

wouldratherbeonthebeach Tue 19-Feb-13 22:37:44

I seem to do well during the day and really stick to the rules but come supper time it all goes out the window confused. Been going about a week and not lost anything sad

chinhealer Wed 20-Feb-13 01:50:08

@wouldratherbeonthebeach - don't beat yourself up too much about it! At least you're doing well during the day. That's a start! What is it about the daytime that makes it easy to follow the rules?

Similarly, what's going wrong in the evening? Is it the presence of family? Or other distractions? Are you ravenous by then, so overeat to compensate? Are you eating junk in the evenings? Are you truly enjoying every single mouthful? What's stopping you from following the rules even when (if) you are eating junk?

chinhealer Wed 20-Feb-13 02:01:25

@wouldratherbeonthebeach - in terms of not losing any weight in a week, I wouldn't worry too much about that either. Have you gained anything? Or stayed the same?

In any case, I am wondering whether the PM way is primarily about losing weight or primarily about transforming our relationship with food and retraining ourselves to listen to our bodies and our own satiety signals? I think it must be the latter. The weightloss/fatloss will, surely, be a byproduct, in the long-term, of creating a healthy and sensible relationship with food?

In other words, I don't think that we should be measuring the success of following the four rules purely on whether/how much we are losing weight. Much more on whether/how much our eating habits have changed for the better.

Feel free to take a look at my blog which I've been writing for a month now, since I started following the rules:


As it happens, I did lose a decent amount in my first two weeks (7lbs.) But my eating was so transformed and my portions were so drastically reduced that it would have been a miracle if I hadn't lost any weight! I believe my weightloss has slowed since then. But I'm not overly bothered about that. PM says that following his rules is likely to result in a slower rate of weightloss anyway, compared to diets. The point is, his way is sustainable forever. Whereas diets just aren't!

TreadOnTheCracks Wed 20-Feb-13 07:17:20

I am reading the book, slowly, 5 mins at a time. I'm about half way through it (I have done I can make you thin in the past). I am struggling with the advice to give up fatty /sugary foods for 2 weeks before you do the installation.

If I could give up sugary / fatty foods I wouldn't need a hypnotic gastric band!

Did you all do the giving up beforehand easily?

Perhaps I need to make an evening to actually get on a read the book and stop messing about!

wouldratherbeonthebeach Wed 20-Feb-13 11:56:27

Thanks for he support, come the evening I just seem to forgetconfused. I know that sounds really bad, sometimes when I'm doing the kids homework I'm not concentrating and picking at things and then we all eat together and I'm not paying enough attentionsad. I've not put on but not lost either. Really want to succeed, got about 20lb to go. Lost a stone a year ago on a diet but struggling to keep it off, never been a successful dieter. Funnily enough I have started to crave healthier food as he said you would. Wish me luck .....

TreadOnTheCracks Wed 20-Feb-13 20:47:25

Good luck wouldrather !

wouldratherbeonthebeach Thu 21-Feb-13 07:06:07

Thanks, you really inspired me . I had a really good day yesterday, it seems so strange not to be eating when I think I should be. Here's to a thinner, healthier me grin

buildingmycorestrength Thu 21-Feb-13 07:53:59

Got my copy. Tread, I had exactly the same thought! But I will try.

binger Thu 21-Feb-13 08:04:20

I went to a hypnotherapist in Sept for hypnoband and results are amazing. I lost a stone in 4 weeks and am now down 20lbs with no effort. I'd think carefully about having the attitude that you must ear all your points (I used to do ww btw). This could ruin it for you as the whole point is to eat smaller portions etc.

Don't get caught up with what you are eating but the 'size' of it. I now eat whatever I want but the difference is I no longer want sweeten cakes, crisps etc. I got my hypnotherapist to remove my cravings for these things so I can now have one biscuit if I want but don't now have the urge to eat the whole pack. I can't believe how well it worked and am now happy for the first time in about 20 years and am not controlled by food at last.

Good luck.

Fairygen Thu 21-Feb-13 09:14:54

End of 2nd week, it's been a long one! Lost 1.5 lbs, so a total of 7lbs in 2 weeks. I was expecting a bigger loss as I've stuck to it completely.

I did drink some wine over the weekend, which probably doubled my calorie intake for those days. I know I shouldn't be counting calories but surely wine must make a difference!!

I'm still pretty chuffed with the results, a loss is a loss. Loving being able to eat whatever I want, although I seem to be generally eating really healthily.

I've also noticed that overall, I'm feeling happier, less stressed and more confident!

rockinhippy Thu 21-Feb-13 09:33:52

My friend used this along with WW the same as yourself - she looks like half the woman she was - I hadn't seen her in a while & I couldn't believe it when I saw her last week, she looked amazing - she's lost over 6 stone in quite a short space of time too & is now running marathons too - not something she could have done a year ago

TreadOnTheCracks Thu 21-Feb-13 17:37:38

Fairygen - that is great to read.

Did you manage to stop eating the high fat & high sugar foods for 2 weeks before you started?

I am still struggling with that.

rockin and binger - very encouraging to read about success as I try to get off the starting block here :-)

Fairygen Thu 21-Feb-13 18:26:34

@*Tread*. No I didn't do the two weeks without all the rubbish. If I could do that, I wouldn't be fat!!

I did listen to the CD again at the end of the first week, just to reinforce it.

I have the odd biscuit, but don't have the urge to eat the whole packet and start a new one.

For me, following the rules was a bit strange to begin with, but they now second nature. I didn't even feel the need to gorge myself after a few glasses of wine at the weekend, which is when I would normally sabotage a 'diet'.

I was sceptical at first, but it really does work. Good luck!

sueLeivers Fri 22-Feb-13 04:00:32

Hi, I recieved my gastric band and cd, dvd yesterday, couldnt wait to get started, so i sat and read the book, took me about an hour, then i watched the dvd, then i settled down to listen to the trance, i honestly can say, i felt something strange going on in my stomache, a sort of mild pain, i have been hypnotised before many years ago for weight loss, (which didnt work) but my own fault cause i only went once and should have gone 3 times, anyway, at tea time i only put out a small portion of food for myself, much smaller than i would usually have, and only got through half of it, felt so full, like i had ate the whole lot and more too, it saw me through the evening, no snacking, no wanting to snack, this morning i woke up and got myself the usual large helping of cereal, ate about a quarter of it, and had to stop, i feel so full, like i have eaten the whole box, almost feel sick, like when you have overeaten, so it seems to be working, its early days but i have so much hope now this will work for me, i really need it to work, i have about 4 stone to lose, a long way to go yet, but my daughter is getting married next year, and i am determind not to be a fat mother of the bride, i will keep you all informed on my progress, the weekend scares me, its usually the time when i am a total pig, week days i can cope, but weekends are always hard, so fingers crossed i can carry on like this now, and only eat small portions from now on x

scarletsalt Fri 22-Feb-13 09:26:27

Having read this thread I decided to get the book the other day. I did 'I can make you thin' a few years ago and it worked really well, but since I had DS my eating habits have nose dived. I haven't got loads and loads to lose, about a stone I guess, but I am short and any extra weight really shows.

As I was reading the book I started getting am it worried about the whole thing, I dont know why! I also spent a cOuple of days just doing the golden rules and it makes such a difference doesn't it? But I listened to the cd last night. Did anyone else get a bit anxious about the 'surgery' bit? It sounds so silly, but I was stl definitely consciously listening as he was describing the surgery and I very nearly pulled my headphones out and shouted, 'I don't want to do this!' i was genuinely a bit frightened! But I persevered and must have fallen asleep as the next thing I knew it had finished.

But afterwards, like others, I had an actual pain at the top of my stomach and it really felt like something was there. I knew that there wasn't obviously, but I guess my unconscious mind thinks differently (as he exPlains in the book). And I tried to eat an apple after and physically couldn't! An apple!

This morning I just had a small bowl of cereal and that was fine, normally I have loads. Its a difficult feeling to explain - when I get stressed or worried, I find it very difficult to eat. What I am feeling now is that physical feeling of not wanting to eat, but without the feeling stressed part! Oh well we will see how it goes.

The power of suggestion is amazing eh!

TreadOnTheCracks Fri 22-Feb-13 15:57:01

Good luck Sue and Scarlett!

I am going to stop being a wuss and get on with it.

I have done I can make you thin and had a hypnoband in the past. Both worked for a bit.

innerbeauty Sat 23-Feb-13 01:01:37

Wow Guys! Everyone is having so much success, it's not easy, but at least it's working!! My Son has been on it for a week now, and has lost 4kgs (dont know how much that is in pounds, but it's an incredible amount of weight in a short time) The best bit is, he is still eating whatever he wants.. but he keeps leaving heaps of it on the plate. I mean, we are talking about someone who used to 'snarf' everything in sight! Now there are still left-overs the next day, in my fridge, again, that's never happened before!
So, for all you amazing people out there with your gastric band in place, well done, and good luck!!

DelGirl Sat 23-Feb-13 09:24:10

I'm half way through reading the book again and then i'll listen to the cd again. I haven't been following the rules and have had a lot of stress recently which has me reaching for the 'cookie jar' so I've not lost any weight.

I feel that it will work amazingly once I apply myself as I have noticed since listening to the cd before and reading the book, I am actually eating less. I reach a point where I can't physically eat more, yet the things I am eating (lots of bread and pasta) are not helping me lose weight and I still have the emotional eating to contend with.

I am confident it will work if I can just stick to the rules and have far less stress. I am hoping that once I fully embrace it, the weight will drop off.

TreadOnTheCracks Sat 23-Feb-13 10:41:36

Delgirl, I hope your stressful time is over soon.

I did I can make you thin and I agree applying the rules is critical.

Dealing with cravings is another triky thing for me, especially in the evenings. I am planning on concentrating on the havening to help.

angelinterceptor Sat 23-Feb-13 19:24:30

I am hoping to start this on Monday. Needed to get half term out of the way. Going to read the book again tonight and hopefully the CD tomorrow.

TreadOnTheCracks Sun 24-Feb-13 20:37:39

Good luck to all of us starting tomorrow...

FabulousFreaks Mon 25-Feb-13 11:20:03

Hi I have just started this but I want to use the cd at night. I thought there was meant to be a trance that let you drift into sleep but I can't find it. Do any of you know what I am doing wrong.

I have the e book version and there is 2 audio tracks, one pre operative and the other is the installation trance audio. There is also the havening video.

I listen to the installation track at bedtime and have drifted off each time and had a fab sleep!

I think my band is working! We had Sunday dinner yesterday, full works. I had a quarter of what I had lifted and felt absolutely stuffed. Uncomfortably so. Granted I ate at the table with dh and we chatted while ds threw his food around so I didn't stick to the 4 rules to the letter, but I notice a difference!

TreadOnTheCracks Mon 25-Feb-13 12:16:34

Fab. Are you thinking of "I can make you sleep"? That's another book. I have it and it's fantastic. It really helped me. (I have pretty much given up caffine too and my sleep is so much better).

Glaikit- are you listening to the installation trance every night? I have previously used "I can make you thin" and use them last thing at night (doing the installation for the first time tonight). I was wondering about keeping using them.

I am keeping Paul Mckenna in business!

Not every night, maybe twice/ three times a week. I'll be honest in using it to help me sleep rather than the weightless bit because I have a lot going on and find when I go to bed it all buzzes round and round and I can't get to sleep! But there is something in it.

I'm going to get dh the I can make you sleep one because he is terrible!

buildingmycorestrength Mon 25-Feb-13 14:40:21

Can I ask how you all are finding the Havening technique? Do you do it regularly? I am scared of giving up food as a source of comfort, so am keen to know whether it really helps.

Fairygen Mon 25-Feb-13 19:22:01

Fab, I've been using the HGB for nearly 3weeks.I'm getting great results but I've yet to fall asleep during the 'trance'. I know a lot of people do, but I just find it relaxes me. I suppose everyone is different.

Building, I haven't had to use the havening technique at all so far. I was definitely a comfort eater but now my life doesn't revolve around food, I naturally feel happier. I know that doesn't make sense, I don't understand why either! Again, everyone is different!

TreadOnTheCracks Tue 26-Feb-13 06:42:13

I did it last night, so am waiting to see if it worked...

Comfort stuffing eating please be gone!

starmis Tue 26-Feb-13 09:11:49

I've read the book and listened to CD twice but its not working for me. What am I doing wrong? Please help, getting desperate!

chinhealer Tue 26-Feb-13 09:31:10

@starmis - first of all, are you following the Four Golden Rules?

chinhealer Tue 26-Feb-13 09:32:59

@starmis - also, what do you mean by "it's not working for me" ? Do you mean that you are still overeating? Or that your eating habits haven't changed at all?

angelinterceptor Tue 26-Feb-13 09:37:46

Finally installed this morning - don't feel any different, but fingers crossed I will.
the hardest rule for me is the conscious eating, I can hardly believe how I have been eating while doing something else, I don't mean just snacking watching TV, I mean eating my lunch at work while on internet/mnetting; even breakfast while making lunches for school, or watching TV.

This is going to be the hardest one for me - because of the habit I think - but fortunately we are lucky to have a separate dining room which hardly gets used, and I will take up residence there!

I am not telling anyone about this - my DH just thinks I am following some new eating rules - his eyes have almost rolled out of his head. I can't take his sceptism about another eating fad/diet etc

chinhealer Tue 26-Feb-13 09:52:13

@angelinterceptor - I also thought that eating away from the TV/Radio/reading material/conversation was going to be impossible. (Since I can't remember, before a month ago, a single time in my life when I ate consciously!) But now, it has become second nature and I honestly don't believe I could go back to eating any other way! And you will notice how flavourful your food is when you eat consciously. And if it isn't flavourful, ditch it for food that is!

Oh, and my nearest and dearest's first reaction was to have near-hysterics when I announced my intentions. One month and a stone lighter, she's not laughing any more! (Actually, after the initial scepticism, she has been a great support. Especially when she saw how my eating habits and portions had been transformed!)

wouldratherbeonthebeach Tue 26-Feb-13 11:09:39

I'm with Starmis on this, I'm really struggling and desperate to do well sad. Not listened to cd for a week tho so will try again tonight

starmis Tue 26-Feb-13 11:25:53

After your comments Chinhealer I've just reread the 4 Golden Rules and although I started following them I soon got demotivated and slipped back into my old ways! The main one I find hard is eating away from TV/Laptop etc. I also find it hard to stop picking at food during the day (I must be very weak willed). Do you think listening to Cd again would be a good idea?

EllenRose Tue 26-Feb-13 12:20:17

I did the installation last night - much eye rolling in this house too so I am really hopeful that it works. The conscious eating this morning was ok but I have just made my lunch and sat with it next to me whilst reading this thread blush. Must try harder!

Fairygen Tue 26-Feb-13 13:16:56

@starmis and wouldrather, are you sure you are eating enough? I'm pretty sure I 'got through' the first couple of days by willpower only and ate far too little. I was so worried about overeating!

Now I am more relaxed around food, eating until I am genuinely satisfied. Some days I eat more, some days less.

I was concerned when I first started because most people were commenting that they weren't hungry or had gone off food. I'm still hungry at most meal times and really enjoy my food. The difference for me is that I don't think about food 24/7 and I take my time when I eat.

I used to eat every meal in front of the T.V. It's been a massive change for me not to do it, but it has helped me enormously to eat consciously.

As the book says-'it's a small ask, with a massive reward'

I hope it gets easier for you both

chinhealer Tue 26-Feb-13 13:45:56

@starmis - I don't think the CD has any/much bearing on whether or not you follow the four golden rules, but listen to it again if you feel it will help. I think you have to just accept in your head that, unless you are willing to eat away from ALL distractions at EVERY meal - but, especially, the TV/Internet - then this is not going to work for you. Paul says as much in Hypnotic Gastric Band. He says he can't help you unless you are willing to do that. And, believe me, I was the biggest watcher of TV during mealtimes and never imagined that I could free myself of that yoke! But I took his statement to heart and, therefore, followed every rule to the letter.

I attended Paul McKenna's Weight Loss event in London on Saturday. It was hugely interesting. I intend to blog about it in the next couple of days. But in the meantime, please feel free to take a look at the rest of my blog which began at the end of Jan when I first started to Eat Consciously.


Fairygen Tue 26-Feb-13 14:12:43

@chin, it was actually your blog that made me realise I was still in 'diet mode' for the first few days. Looking forward to hearing about the weekend.

Congrats on the weight loss so far


chinhealer Tue 26-Feb-13 23:39:53

@Fairygen - Thanks so much! But, in a sense, the weightloss is almost incidental! The much more earth-shattering things for me have been the total retraining of my sensitivity to my body's satiety signals and my transformed attitude towards food!

I'm so pleased if my blog helped you in some, small way! That's part of the reason I continue to write it. (As well as to help keep me mindful of this massive life-change!)

sueLeivers Wed 27-Feb-13 07:42:09

Hi, well its a week now since i started, and installed the gastric band, I am a bit dissapointed with the weight loss so far, 2pounds, but i can honestly say i am not eating half as much as i used to, i left half my dinner again last night, i usually am starving when i wake in the mornings, and could easily put away cereal and toast, but i dont feel hungry at all now in the mornings, i just dont ever feel that starving feeling at all anymore, i think the best thing about it, is the fact that i dont feel i am being deprived of anything now, unlike other diets etc, and that takes the pressure off knowing i can eat what i want, i just dont want to now, i have listened to the trance 4 times now, and each time it makes me feel so relaxed, and gives me a boost of determination each time, i think i need to try and excersise more, to get the weight to shift quicker, good luck to you all, keep at it, and stay focused..x

Fairygen Wed 27-Feb-13 18:35:02

Well, I've fallen off the wagon!! Have no one to blame but myself!

Running round like a headless chicken this morning, feeding cat, dog, rabbit, guinea pigs, hoovering etc so threw a piece of toast in the general direction of my mouth! Ate it in about 2 seconds, and that was the start of a very bad day ( as far as golden rules go)

Haven't eaten consciously all day and now feel bloated, dis satisfied and very angry with myself.

Tomorrow is a new day so going back to basics- reading the book and listening to the cd tonight. Weigh day tomorrow so dreading it!!

chinhealer Wed 27-Feb-13 23:43:01

@Fairygen - no need to beat yourself up about it. It happens. Nothing more than a blip. As you say, you start anew tomorrow. And don't sweat about weigh day. The weight will take care of itself if you take care with the rules! Here's hoping tomorrow is less manic for you! See if today's bloating can inspire you to want to feel ten times better tomorrow without bloating!

Fairygen Thu 28-Feb-13 07:11:09

End of week 3, - 1.5 lbs. 8.5 overall. Quite please as 1've only got 2 stone to lose and haven't really had to put much effort in at all!!

@chin, yes I agree about the weight sorting itself out. Tbh when I first started this, it was all about the weight. I was desperate to lose as much as I could as quickly as I could. Now i'm happy plodding away at -1.5 a week because I don't feel deprived at all, and feel in control of food (not the other way round) unlike previous 'diets'. It's so great being able to go out for lunch/ dinner and not having to starve myself for the rest of the week to compensate.

Yes, yesterday has really inspired me to stick to the rules from now on!!

TheMaskedHorror Thu 28-Feb-13 09:21:57

I've managed to lose another 3lbs making it 10lbs altogether.
Some days haven't been good because of a clingy baby. On those days, I just eat when I get the chance whether I'm hungry or not.
I have noticed that I'm much more likely to want to eat healthy stuff and proper real food.
Only 1lb left til I'm in the 'overweight' bmi range rather than obese! blush
And then another 2 stone til I'm in the 'normal' range.

chinhealer Thu 28-Feb-13 10:15:33

@Fairygen and TheMaskedHorror -well done to you both on your losses! Just goes to show that even when you are juggling children and/or busyness of other kinds, you can still keep going on this (endless) journey! (Endless in the sense that eating consciously is now for life!)

angelinterceptor Thu 28-Feb-13 16:42:33

Well done you who have lost weight. I have installed the band 2 days now and I feel no different at all.

I am so disappointed - I guess i was expecting something as so many of you posted about not eating much or feeling hungry.

I have tried to follow the rules and will see next week how I feel.

Pinupkeza Thu 28-Feb-13 18:07:01

Hiya. I'm new and would love to join this discussion, I have just purchased pm gastric band and awaiting its arrival, I do slimming world but think this will work well with this as its not really like dieting ca eat what I want when I want, but it's all bout healthy eating, really excited after reading all your reviews, iv started my 2 weeks prep after reading this is what I need to do, so I can start straight away, I already follow the 4 rules from doing pm easy weight loss, will keep you all posted, good luck everyone xx

chinhealer Fri 01-Mar-13 02:14:10

Happy St David's Day to all our Welsh friends!

chinhealer Fri 01-Mar-13 02:16:58

@Pinupkeza - welcome! Grab a pew. Sounds like you're doing everything right. (Even though PM is absolutely vicious about diet clubs! I don't know what goes on in SW, so I can't really comment myself.)

Pinupkeza Fri 01-Mar-13 10:54:30

Hiya chinhealer, thank you, I'm really looking forward to the postman coming with my book DVD/cd :0), Sw is all about healthy eating, there's nothing you can't eat but helps you re focus on eating better, so I dnt really class it as been on a diet as this is a life changing way to look at food how you cook it, so iv got the good food trained in my head now to just reduce to amount I eat! Loool Sw say eat as much as you want but that's all good but I dnt know when to stop even with pm four rules lol I just love food, will keep you posted, so far I lose about 1 1/2lb a week, lost a stone and 3lbs another 3 stone to go xxx

Fairygen Fri 01-Mar-13 14:17:07

@pinupkeza. Hi, I was on sw too, but couls only do red days because I didn't get ( listen to) my stomach telling me when I was full. I couldn't do extra easy because I was eating too many carbs, (probably enough for 3 people!!) and really struggled to lose the weight

I know PM is really against any form of diet, but looking at what I've been eating, I've probably been doing extra easy without realising!!

For me, the four golden rules have really changed how much I eat and I have the backup of the band.

Good luck x

Fairygen Fri 01-Mar-13 14:17:36


Fairygen Fri 01-Mar-13 14:23:17

@angel, I was a bit sceptical to start off with, and not sure if I had worked for me. I decided to give it 100% for a week. If it didn't work for me, then at least I would know I'd followed it to the letter.

Themobstersknife Fri 01-Mar-13 19:40:33

Hey all. Just wanted to pop my head round the door to say thankyou! This thread persauded me to get my hypno gastric band. I have lost 10 lbs in two weeks. I have completely retrained myself. I think three pregnancies (one of which ended in mc) within three years, breastfeeding DD1 and some serious health issues which caused comfort eating completely broke my ability to feel when I was full. I used to overeat in pregnancy to stop feeling sick and I used to overeat when bf because everyone told me to. I think this may have fixed me! So thanks!

Pinupkeza Fri 01-Mar-13 21:17:59

Thank you fairygen I'm doing extra easy and that's what I thought, getting really excited :0) xxx

buildingmycorestrength Sat 02-Mar-13 11:14:42

Okay, I've had the 'installation' now! Let's see how it turns out.

Cupcake1982 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:55:02

Hi ladies, hope you don't mind me joining you! I've just bought this book and had a good read and now I can't wait to get started smile I have done the original pm in the past but have always slipped up after a week or so. Any hints or tips gratefully appreciated smile

Pinupkeza Sat 02-Mar-13 23:16:27

Well it's arrived! Read the book within an hour, so very excited, going to read it again then do the DVD then the cd, want to ensure I do this correctly so I get all the benefit, cupcake hiya. I'm really positive about this, will keep u all posted xxx

I'm not sure it is helping me but I'm finding it very hard to eat consciously!

Pinupkeza Sun 03-Mar-13 16:26:12

Just fitted my band, just wondered, are people listening to it everyday or just the once, I know he says once a month but I'm used to having to listen either everyday or once a week for hypnosis, any help from what anyone else is doing would be helpful, thank you smiley face:

Cupcake1982 Mon 04-Mar-13 11:27:12

Morning smile i have just fitted my band!!!!!

Schooldidi Mon 04-Mar-13 11:33:31

Hi everybody, I hope you don't mind me joining you. I fitted mine a few weeks ago and I've lost a bit of weight but not as much as I expected.

I have to admit that I am finding it very hard to 'eat consciously', as so many of the times I am hungry are at times I am busy as well. And only eating when I'm hungry is difficult when I'm at work as well. I can only eat at break times at work, so what if I am not hungry at 12:30/1pm but I know I won't get another chance to eat until 4pm ish. That's quite a long time to go when I might be hungry by 2, so I would be starving by 4pm. How do you manage these rules when you are restricted with times you can eat?

Pinupkeza Mon 04-Mar-13 12:18:45

=Schooldidi you could always try having a flask of home made soup in a flask, if your allowed a drink no one will no it's soup lol or even a mug shot, I fitted band yesterday and although I ended up having my Sunday dinner in 2 sittings and leaving some I tested my self and ate a packet Jaffa cakes, just to see how it wud make me feel, just felt bad tbh lol so lets see how the rest of the week goes, have weigh in at Sw Thursday, and I'm going to do the cd every other day xxxx

Schooldidi Mon 04-Mar-13 12:22:12

That won't work either pinup. Thanks for trying though. I'm a teacher and the same rules apply for us as the kids, so in the classroom we are only allowed water in a clear bottle, no other food or drink outside of the canteen/staff room.

Cupcake1982 Mon 04-Mar-13 13:49:10

Well day 1 is going well, I ate a lot less lunch than usual as I had an odd pain in my tummy - v strange!
I would love to hear some success stories to keep me going! smile

Pinupkeza Mon 04-Mar-13 19:20:01

Well how odd lol, breakfast only managed half slice whole meal toast n a few beans, lunch I just felt like strawberrys n muller light and for tea made a lovely veg curry and ate a few mouthfuls and the rest is now cling filmed up and in microwave, not thought about food really and didn't even nibble when I was cooking, xx

buildingmycorestrength Mon 04-Mar-13 19:40:55

Hasn't made a massive difference, if I'm honest. I am trying to eat more consciously, at the table on mny own, and am not thinking about food quite so much, but am eating my normal portions without feeling particularly full. Will listen to it again, I think.

frumperina Mon 04-Mar-13 19:42:37

3 weeks in and lost 2kg after one week and another 2kg the second week. Then I found out I am pregnant grin , haven't lost anything in the last week. I think it will still be ok to continue though as I'm not dieting as such, just not eating rubbish all the time which can only be a good thing really.
I think I will listen to the CD again tonight, I have been slipping a bit in the last few days.

Oli4lolly Mon 04-Mar-13 21:59:17

hi ladies hope you dont mind me joining you, i bought my paul mckenna as an ebook on my iphone, i read it over 2 days and when i went to have my 'band' fitted i just couldnt fall into a trance. did anyone else have this problem? or any ideas on how i could fall into one?
any feedback would be mucho appreciated grin

Pinupkeza Mon 04-Mar-13 22:16:49

Well iv decided I'm going to do the cd everyday if possible, as the more you do it the better you go into the trance xx

Fairygen Tue 05-Mar-13 09:07:35

Congratulations frumperina x

frumperina Tue 05-Mar-13 09:18:39

Thank you! smile

Pinupkeza Tue 05-Mar-13 11:00:26

Congrats xxx

Schooldidi Tue 05-Mar-13 12:19:02

Congratulations Frumperina

pollywollydoodle Tue 05-Mar-13 21:28:55

do you mind if i join you?
i've been lurking for a bit and have finally bought the book

i've been going to weightwatchers for about 18 months and combining it with ICMYT, lost about 25 lb and got to goal last summer. i liked the way my anxiety around food decreased with listening to the cd but also the supportive group i know through ww.when i got to goal i was eating a generally healthy diet, generally stopping when i was comfortably fulland had a bit of what i fancied foodwise and didn't feel deprived

I stopped PMing and my has weight crept up over winter. Since then i've been having trouble focussing and getting the 5lbs WW allow you over goal back off, and losing the extra 7lbs on top of that i wanted to lose.

i need to get back in that frame of mind again

Fairygen Wed 06-Mar-13 09:38:38

Hi all, well, nearly a month on HGB and was doing really well, apart from one binge slip up.

This week though I've been feeling really rubbish, tired and also look terrible. My skin is so dry and i wear so much moisturiser to bed, i'm worried i might slide out!! A member of my family has also commented on how 'rough' i look!!

Not sure if it's just a bug or the fact I'm not eating enough. Before I started this, I was on a high protein , low carb diet and eating (i'm not joking) 10 portions of fruit and veg a day, at least. Now I'm struggling to eat 2 or 3 if I'm lucky.

Time for some action I think! Although my meals are healthy, I've decided to make them mainly veg based for a few days to see if that helps.

Has anyone else had similar problems? Perhaps it's just a coincidence

Fairygen Wed 06-Mar-13 18:28:16

@oli4lolly, I listen to the CD about once a week and haven't gone into an actual trance once. I find it just really relaxes me, and I'm totally aware of what's going on around me. I don't worry about it too much because it's still working.

Cupcake1982 Thu 07-Mar-13 11:48:09

Morning ladies,
I am on day 4 and so far so good! I'm starting to feel hungry ready for lunch but I really don't know what I fancy????
Does everyone eat whatever they fancy ie kit kat for lunch??? smile

Charliefox Thu 07-Mar-13 22:45:25

Disappointing result for me. Have put weight on! Has had literally no impact. I too haven't felt under any kind of trance. Have listened to it 4 times now. A fail for me and I feel a bit suckered in to be honest! Ah well, was worth a shot.

bulshit Fri 08-Mar-13 06:12:45

HI can I join you ladies, I am really sorry to hear that the hypnotic gastric band installation have not worked for some of you,but I think if you try again with a positive mind, Then you might be successful. I fitted my band on the 4/2/13 and have not done too bad. However I have not got on the scales.

This is my fifth week and I have been having positive complement of how much weight I have lost. I love clothes and just want to go back to a 10/12. I feel that it is important for me not to be a slave to the scales. I was due to weigh in on the 4/3/13 but decided against it. I might weigh in next month but for now I am just going by my clothes and the way I am looking.

What Paul McKenna has given me is a tool not worry about good foods or bad foods but the confidence to make an informed decision as to what I want to eat. I don't feel any pressure about loosing the weight, it took months to put it so it is only right that it will take time to get it off. Yes sometimes from time to time I get a little impatient but I try to put my positive head on and try to move forward.

Since I stated in February I have had a few bad days but I just put them behind and move on because it's all about reaching my goal no matter how long it takes. I was a big fan of weight watchers for years and even a life member but felt that I no longer wanted to count points or weigh my foods.

I wish all you ladies who are following Paul as well as those whom have just started the very best of luck. Paul's plan has made a great difference to my every day living. One of the greatest thing I found is going out to eat without any worry about over eating.

I did weigh myself when I started. I was nearly 3 stones 7lbs over weight, don't know what I am now but know for sure that I have lost some. Still a long way to go but getting closer and closer each and every day.

God bless you ladies and keep positive.

namechangea Fri 08-Mar-13 06:55:59

Been lurking on this for a while. Big congratulations and wows at the weight loss here I've just had a flick through the last few pages and wonder how the op is doing?

I wondered about something though. I'm breastfeeding DD2 so need to ensure I eat "enough" each day. I noticed lots of comments on here about having the feeling of the band, eating a quarter of usual amounts. Are you definitely getting enough food (worried binge eater aleady)

When you reach your goal (about 21 pounds for me) do you do something elseto amend your thinking to maintenance?

MsMarple Fri 08-Mar-13 11:31:11

Hi everyone, I installed mine last night. Do you think it matters that I fell asleep, or should I play it again?
namechangea , I'm bf too - just assumes that if I needed more calories I would feel hungry again, and should therefore eat.
Haven't thought about maintenance yet, it is at least 3 stone away!

pollywollydoodle Fri 08-Mar-13 11:48:45

msmarple...with ICMYT he says that you may fall asleep and that's ok, it still goes in

pollywollydoodle Fri 08-Mar-13 11:51:08

namechangea i wondered about the OP too.....are you out there lyniep?

harryhausen Sat 09-Mar-13 18:29:49

Can I join? I want to loose about 4/5 stone. I've tried ww, SW. I've lost a little bit, then piled it all back on. I'm 40, and have been dieting for 15 years. I think I'm done.

I installed my band yesterday. I'd been flirting around the actual point of installing it. Read the book twice, did my little bits of exercise etc.

Last night I physically could not eat more than a few mouthfuls of soup and few crackers. Today, I went for lunch out with the family. I ate half of what I would normally. However now, at teatime I feel really stuffed full - like I've over-eaten.

I feel excited that I've eaten less, but annoyed that I've still managed to feel 'bloated'. I don't think I stopped when I should have. Mind you, I'm only on day 2! I should give myself a chance to get used to it I suppose.

I'm starting couch2 5k tomorrow too.

I'm going to have a thorough read back over the whole thread now.grin

Fairygen Sat 09-Mar-13 19:16:00

Half way through week 5 and feeling much better now I have found.....soup. I'm managing to pack loads of veg into my diet without the bulk.

I didn't weigh on weigh day (Wednesday), but have this morning and -5lbs so happy as half a lb off a stone!!

I have NEVER lost weight for more than 2 weeks in a row before!!

MsMarple Sun 10-Mar-13 12:14:27

Its only day 3 for me, and can't say I'm feeling full after a few mouthfuls like some people have reported. BUT... family birthday meal yesterday in a yummy restaurant, I had starter and main, but didn't fancy dessert (unheard of for me) and sent some of my son's leftovers back to the kitchen, which normally I would have polished off too. So, maybe my gastric band is set at eat-like-a-normal-person level?
Am curious to see how the scales will be next friday.

dordorcoop Sun 10-Mar-13 14:59:51

nearly completed 2 weeks, not doing too badly during the day. My problem is that I don't sleep very well so am often up late at night and then I start eating, can't seem to stop. What I do is make a fist and image this is the size of my stomach now - can't get too much food in that. Sometimes this works. I won't give up -I'm determined to beat my addiction to overeating this time.

Fairygen Sun 10-Mar-13 19:36:04

MsMarple hi, I only felt full after a few mouthfuls for the first couple of days and I'm sure that was due to willpower and desperation to succeed!!

I have always been hungry at meal times! A family meal is always a great test to see if it's working!

Stick with it, it really does work.it's not a quick fix plan, but it's so easy, and common sense really!


Fairygen Sun 10-Mar-13 19:51:08

Hi to everyone new x

MsMarple Mon 11-Mar-13 08:57:01

Thanks Fairygen .

Dordorcoop - late nights are the worst aren't they? Especially as there isn't anyone else around to raise their eyebrows when you start grilling crumpets at midnight!

I've been taking myself off to bed early for that very reason, and reading books/laptop!

Jayneguest Mon 11-Mar-13 12:12:30

Saw my hypnotherapist again last week for help with my weight (which is ongoing) and he said that he was already seeing people who had thought the gastric band hypnosis would work but have found that it isnt solving their problems. I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago on here so its interesting that others seem to see the same thing.All I can say is that seeing the real thing has made a big difference to me, the personal touch is what has made all the difference.My Hypnotherapist is lovely.However you are doing it good luck smile

dordorcoop Mon 11-Mar-13 18:26:21

think I'll take kindle and get some early nights, especially if this bad weather continues

buildingmycorestrength Tue 12-Mar-13 06:52:44

I have actually gained weight since first doing CD a couple of weeks ago. sad

Did it again last night so we'll see.

nikkiskip Tue 12-Mar-13 12:13:11

Can i join in too.. i brought the book yesterday and will be reading it all tonight and fitting the band tomorrow.. my friend has also brought it and will be doing the same.. kinda sceptical as to if it will work or not but after reading all the messages on here it certainly does sound too good to be true..

I have been a yoyo dieter for quite a few years and even have a blog regarding it which i will be updating with my progress of the HGB ( fingers Crossed! )


Link to my blog if anyone fancies a read.

Keep you updated soon!

Fairygen Wed 13-Mar-13 09:02:24

Hi all,
Back to Wednesday weigh day and have managed +1.5 lbs, since Sunday! Ooops! Blaming it on all those mother's day goodies over the weekend!!

First time I've put on in 5 weeks, which is unheard of for me, so not too worried.

I know we're not supposed to be dieting , but I did read that if you have a protein only breakfast your body becomes a 'fat burning machine' for the rest of the day!

Hope everyone is getting on ok x

lustybusty Wed 13-Mar-13 20:43:03

Hiya!! Just getting you onto my "I'm on" threads. I'll read everything and join you properly tonight/tomorrow.

nikkiskip Thu 14-Mar-13 09:39:14

well... went through the book and CD and was so relaxed by the end of it... not sure if anything has worked or even if any of it sunk in as i havent eaten yet as i'm not hungry..
Did anyone experience any twitching in their stomach while listening to the cd?

Fairygen Thu 14-Mar-13 12:40:56

Yes nikkiskip I did, and afterwards my stomach felt tighter. Even now, every time I listen to the cd the same thing happens.

Fairygen Fri 15-Mar-13 10:35:09

Chinese take away last night. Firstly, I couldn't decide what to have, as none of it really appealed to me. Then when it came I ate hardly anything and found it really greasy and heavy.

I can't believe how much my taste has changed in such a short time. Six months ago I would have happily eaten Chinese every night of the week!!

JennyPiccolo Fri 15-Mar-13 12:11:50

Was totally inspired by this thread, I downloaded a hypno gastric band app on Monday night( not Paul McKenna, I couldn't find his, but a similar sort of deal.

Weighed myself this morning and I've lost over 6lbs! Since Monday nightshock

So happy, if I lose another couple of pounds I will be down a jeans size.

Spannerfingers Mon 18-Mar-13 15:08:04

hi all

ive just had the band installed today, after all the fad diest and even taking ALI and XL medical all the weight came back, with a vengance.

im hoping this will help with my weight, i want to lose 4 stane idealy, but 1stone will be idealy to make a big difference to my health etc.

heres going forward


MsMarple Mon 18-Mar-13 16:35:23

So, I lost 2lbs in the first week, all going in the right direction. Still BF though so probably best not to have any drastic fast loss... well that's what I'm telling myself! I've got about the same targets as you spannerfingers, fingers crossed for us both.

Well done Jennypiccolo, sounds like a great start!

Fairygen Tue 19-Mar-13 20:53:29

Hi everyone, great to hear about the weight losses....helping me to get back on track along with 2 days of hard core gardening!!

theladylovescupcakes Fri 22-Mar-13 08:24:37

Hi have just found this thread. I've been stuck these past few weeks despite doing slim fast which worked well for me previously. Can anyone link me to the app? Interested to give it a try. Thank you grin

jacci88 Sat 23-Mar-13 19:49:36

Hi, 10 days ago, I bought the book from Asda, read it in one go, watched the dvd and listen to the cd every few days and I have lost 7lbs so far!!!

I started on Tues 12th March, started at 11 stone 7lbs, on Tues 19th I weighed 11 stone 2lbs and today I weighed myself as a mid week check in and have lost a further 2lbs so far and I still have 4 days to go this week!!!

I feel ever so full all the time and feel sick if I eat more than a child's plate of food..which is really strange, but considering that my stomach is the size of a tennis ball and not a watermelon it makes sense!

I eat 3 meals a day and am having to seriously reduce the amount I eat, because if I don't I feel so bloated and full, i get a terrible nauseous feeling like you do when you overeat at Xmas!!

I do not eat any diet food and am sticking to the 4 golden rules...it works but you have to listen to the installation trance every few days....I don't even remember much of what Paul has said, whihc means I must be pretty relaxed and "under hypnotic state"....
Remember the rules:
1 you must only eat when you are truly hungary
2 you must stop when you start to feel full
3 Eat what you want ie. not diet food, this is not a diet, you are free to eat anything, but you must stop when you start to feel full and only eat when you are truly hungary
4 you must eat conciously i.e. chew every mouthful and take your time with your meal, it's not a race, you will feel full quicker by eating slowly than by stuffing your face!

I will update you all with my next loss (hopefully) after my weigh in on Tues 26th March

bulshit Sun 24-Mar-13 07:55:40

Congratulations to everyone whom managed to loose weight with Paul McKenna hypnotic gastric band. I have lost weight using his technique. I installed my band on the 4th of February. I am now able to fit into my size 12 stretched jeans.

I have decided not to keep weighing myself but judge my success by how my clothes fit, this way I don't feel pressured about the pounds on or off.

I am really excited about the results that I am seeing already and will keep going until I reach my goal.

A big thanks to everyone for their support on this blog. Keep going and you will get their in the end.

MsMarple Mon 25-Mar-13 22:02:24

Thats interesting about listening to the trance really frequently jacci88. Not sure why I thought you only needed to do it monthly, but will top up again tonight, and every few days over the chocolate season!

buildingmycorestrength Tue 26-Mar-13 09:50:40

Have just listened to it for the third time. No luck so far, but have not been good at following the rules, particularly. Have noticed some changes in my habits and feeling fuller, etc, but no weight loss yet.

jacci88 Wed 27-Mar-13 12:30:32

As promised, here is my weigh in results;
12 March 11 stone 7lbs
19 March 11 stone 2 lbs
26th March 10 stone 13 lbs

2 weeks since have the hypnotic gastric band fitted and I have lost 8 lbs so far...

Hi everyone - I'm doing the easyloss Virtual gastric band app on iphone - the rules look to be the same as paul mckenna although I don't get my band fitted until day 28 (day 12 for me today). I've lost 4kg so far which is great. I think it is really tough recognising the feeling of no longer being hungry after so many years of over-eating. Ive been trying to err on the side of caution on the premis that I can always eat more later if I need it. I hate throwing food away but am just not eating as much so need to adjust food shopping habits and buy less.

Fairygen Sun 31-Mar-13 20:24:56

Hi all, I've been following HGB for about 2 months. I lost about a stone in the first month, but have really fallen off the wagon!!

Luckily, I haven't put any weight on, but I'm really struggling to eat consciously. I've found that when I follow the rules, I eat so little that I really don't enjoy my meals.

I used to love food and cooking. Now I can't get motivated to cook because I think 'what's the point, I'm not going to eat more than a handful'

Advice and huge kick up backside needed to get back on track!!!!!!!!!!

bonzoed Mon 01-Apr-13 13:24:57

Hello, I'm new here. I fitted the gastric band last night before I went to bed. DH walked into the bedroom just as the operation was being described but I am sure that my quick word with DH won't have caused too much of a problem - to be honest I'm not sure I heard any of the rest on a conscious level but heard the CD player click off. DH says I was breathing very deeply afterwards.

I had a bowl of cereals this morning. I didn't feel full but am not in the habit of eating loads for breakfast. I didn't snack all morning but this may have been because I was hungry. I went for a run and was full of energy - even skipped back home. I wasn't hungry when DH made lunch and I wasn't full when I finished it. Hmm, I have felt neither hunger of satiated - is this right?

I'm not sure how conscious I was of the eating or whether I chewed 20 times because the children are here and asking constant questions. Is it really realistic to think you can eat consciously when you are eating with children? I don't want the children to be banned from interacting with me during a meal.

bonzoed Mon 01-Apr-13 13:51:14

Oops - I didn't snack because I was busy (not hungry).

MsMarple Thu 04-Apr-13 00:02:20

fairygen, would love to give you some motivating words but I too have fallen off the wagon, and into a huge vat of creme eggs, many of which jumped into my mouth before I remembered I was supposed to be eating them conciously blush
Am reinstalling tonight and will be getting back on track tomorrow.

Not sure about the concious eating with kids thing being entirely possible. I'm giving little one finger foods to play with whilst I eat, and spooning in anything mushy beforehand. I'm trying to do interacting with older one between mouthfuls. Like you say, not great family mealtime if you can't talk to them at all!

buildingmycorestrength Thu 04-Apr-13 22:10:35

I've actually decided to try a paleo style really high protein diet. I had three eggs for breakfast and didn't even feel hungry until 1 pm. I don't think the gastric band was transformative but I think it has helped in a general sort of way.

Jayneguest Sat 06-Apr-13 10:55:12

I posted about my experiences a while ago and its great to see that people are still saying what they think works and what doesnt.I wish there was some way to add up all the good stories and ones that dont work to make a graph or something(oh dear, you can tell I wear glasses cant you!) smile

Jayneguest Sat 06-Apr-13 11:04:44

Not sure if people have seen the blog post which lists lots of hypnotherapists views on Paul mckennas band but it does make interesting reading.some like it some don't. if you go to www.markpowlett.co.uk its in the blog posts under weight.

Dragon67 Sat 06-Apr-13 14:54:32

Hi, new to here and just "done the deed" today.. not sure what to expect, I will give it my best shot, one thing I can say is I feel "knackered" and achey , they way I have always felt after an op.... how bizarre, hopefully this is a good sign. One questione, we all know we are supposed to drink copious amounts of water during the soI was just wondering if this will restrict the amount you drink - hope not as I like my water and it prevents my cystitis . :

Fairygen Sat 06-Apr-13 20:37:54

Jayneguest I think, like any diet or food plan, we have to stick to it 100%. I got complacent. If Paul McKenna was on my doorstep once a week ready to weigh me, I'd be about 2 stone lighter by now, because I'd have the motivation!!

Well, the summer is coming (apparently) and being fat in the summer is horrible, so back to the cd tomorrow!!

MsMarple I can't understand where the gorgeous, creamy, huge ,white chocolate egg went in one evening!! I hope you are back on track x

This really does work, if you stick to the rules! I didn't watch or use the havening, maybe I should have and then I wouldn't have felt so pee'd off!!

Dragon67 Sat 06-Apr-13 20:43:01


Fairygen Sat 06-Apr-13 20:53:45

Hi dragon, how are you getting on?x

Jayneguest Sun 07-Apr-13 09:40:03

I think with the drinking Dragon67 you are still supposed to drink lots of water, just not at the same time as eating as I recall?I think thats right.

Dragon67 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:05:14

Hi Fairygen - and all
Not too bad, weird really as I only listened yesterday, no snacking yesterday or today so far, had a small lunch about 2.5hrs ago but felt hungry again before typing this so had a muller corner yogurt and I am stuffed again now.. seem to have a little indigestion just after eating but trial and error I suppose, I will re listen to the CD later this week when I can
trying to drink my usual amounts but feel full. One of my main worries is that this will be muscle reduction weight loss not fat loss so I will keep up with my workouts and try to up my strength training.. as thy say.... time will tell

Hope everyone else is going ok

Oh I do not have a table (or anywhere to put one in my house) so I have to sit on the couch but I am trying my best to focus on the food not the TV if it is on (we do not have a spare room other than a bedroom and I will not start to eat in a bedroom ! shock)

persistance... is my new word grin

Fairygen Sun 07-Apr-13 19:30:06

The eating in peace and quiet is near impossible if you have a family!!!

I'm a single mum and I don't want us to eat separately. I just try to concentrate on chewing, not always easy.

Fairygen Wed 10-Apr-13 20:14:29

Hi all, where is everyone?

FifromOz Thu 11-Apr-13 11:20:27

Hi :-) have been doing the gastric band for 11 days now and lost 6lb which I am thrilled with. I listen to the CD every fews days and am guilty of eating while watchung TV although I always concentrate on my food and chew a minimum of 20 times at least. My issue is that although I only eat a teaplate of food I am still very hungry and never feel full like everyone else does? Then about half an hour later I feel totally sick and want to throw up, its as if I have eaten a 10 course meal. This happens at lunchtime too when I eat lunch with no TV and concentrate on what I am doing too. Anyone else felt like this? least

linkainka Thu 11-Apr-13 18:29:33

Hi. Ive downloaded the lite version of the virtual gastric band app. After step 1 and 2 it asks to pay for the surgery.
Do you pay once or a few times? Xxx

Fairygen Thu 11-Apr-13 20:43:57

Fi I've had that problem a couple of times, but only if I overeat. Maybe eatng less more often might help. I admit, I still eat in front of the tv in the evening. I've got pretty good with my portions, so know how much fills me and only put that amount on my plate.

linkainka I have no idea!! I bought the book, with DVD and CD for about £7.

FifromOz Fri 12-Apr-13 04:43:34

Fairygen! Yeah I think I must be oveteating! I will just have to have patience and wait on the food hitting my stomach :-) Thanks!

Fairygen Sat 13-Apr-13 20:41:49

Saturday night and no wine!!! I must be serious about sticking to it!!

Dragon67 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:07:30

I too still have the TV on or we chat BUT I am trying to be mindful of my food.. I can say for this last week so far I have hardly eaten any chocolate or snacks - ( I am a chocaholic so this is unheard of to only eat 1 freddo 1 pack of crisps and 3 biscuits) Wed & Thurs/Friday were not good due to stess related stuff with work, so today I felt the snack craving, so re listened to the cd and will do the havening .. BUT af fat class on Thursday I had lost a whopping 4.5lbs.. OMFG.. exstatic is an understatement.
One worry I have though is not getting enough calories, anybody else struggle with this, worried i will end up a skinny-fatty !!! smile

Fairygen Sun 14-Apr-13 18:34:44

dragon are you following a diet too? You said you weighed at fat club?! SW or WW?

I have tried to do the hypnonis and also follow a diet plan, and in the long run, it hasn't worked for me.I have always ended up bingeing!

The beauty of this is , that you eat what you want, no points, red, green, a and b choices.

greeneyedlulu Mon 15-Apr-13 14:28:00

@ lynniep how are you getting on with this as I ordered my copy a few days ago?? would love an update!!

showtunesgirl Mon 15-Apr-13 14:40:34

Ok. I've taken the plunge and have just ordered this. I am rather sceptical about it but know that I need something to tell me to be better with my portion control. I eat REALLY well, just too much!

Also now that I have DD and I have to race home to pick her up from CM, my inbuilt exercise into my daily life where I would walk to the station has had to go as I now have to take the bus in order to make my train on time.

Here's hoping this works!

lauramaymummy Sun 21-Apr-13 15:08:19

All u ladies have helped me decide to try this book im envy of all u that have lost well done is it realy worth a try? Xx

annechatt Wed 24-Apr-13 09:37:21

I am a Brummie living in New Zealand, and I ordered my copy of PM gastric band last week, having to wait 7 to 10 days for delivery so hope it will arrive tomorrow or Friday. Really excited and raring to go. I have 4 stone to lose.

Loulabelle30 Wed 24-Apr-13 17:08:15

Hi all, hope you don't mind me joining in. Reading through I decided to buy the book. I've been a yoyo dieter for years. I have 2 1/2 - 3 stone to loose. Tried ww sw LL juices etc, but haven't succeeded. I've read the book and watched DVD, doing the cd & fitting tonight. Fingers crossed! Hope I'm as successful as some of you!!

bd1951 Thu 25-Apr-13 00:18:57

I bought the Paul Mckenna hypnotic gastric band book recently. i find the second part of the cd is garbled, really hard to understand. is this normal, or do i have a faulty cd?

MsMarple Thu 25-Apr-13 00:31:29

bd1951 - if you listen to it through headphones one voice plays on the right and one on the left, so I guessed that the garbledness was intentional. Might be a fault with mine too though as I still haven't worked out when to stop eating! blush

annechatt Sat 27-Apr-13 21:50:17

Hi all, received my book in the post yesterday (Saturday), starting reading then went to cinema to watch Oblivion, great movie. Anyway came back finished reading, did the Havening bit and then listened to the c.d.'s. and had my hypnotic gastric band fitted. Had a great nights sleep, woke up this morning (Sunday) feeling good. Will come back on in a couple of days and let you all know how I am doing. I am excited about the Havening as I have been feeling stressed at work for a few months and comfort eating so I intend to do this everytime I start feeling stressed and over whelmed.

JB30 Sun 28-Apr-13 19:44:50

Bought the book and starting day 1 of the pre-op. Really excited seeing so many positive reports. Had a good day following the 4 rules. On my own estimation I'm down a couple of hundred cals today alone. Have a weekend in the sun from next Friday. Planning to keep on pre-op for the week, then do the cd while I'm away. Is it weird I'm scared about not being able to gorge sad

mameulah Sun 28-Apr-13 19:56:38

Can anyone tell me, is any aspect of the Paul McKenna vgb unsociable? For example tomorrow I am meeting a friend for her birthday tea, in a situation like that do you find yourself unable to join in and end up looking rude?

veryberrybug Mon 29-Apr-13 17:20:15

mameulah though i've found the HGB not nearly as successful as many here (in terms of quick weight loss) the 4 rules are working for me & i wouldn't be able to face food when i'm not actually hungry. however, i had a mad hatters tea party to go to with DCs at the weekend & knew there'd be yummy homebaking i didny want to miss. so when i had lunch, 1hr or so before we went, i had a small portion, ate it consciously & stopped at neutral (5 on PM hunger scale) ie. when i was no longer hungry but before i was full. i felt satisfied with my light lunch and got hungry sooner than if i'd eaten til i was full, thus was able to enjoy timetabled bun! so with a little planning (only a couple of hrs foresight required) you can eat sociably.

mameulah Mon 29-Apr-13 21:05:14


Thank you, that is really helpful information. I tried the 'I can make you thin' years ago and gave up on it because I followed all the rules religiously and ended up feeling full on about three grapes. I kid you not. I desperately want to learn how to have healthy attitude to food, eating, and my own body imagine (especially because now I have a five month old pfb and so want to set a good example for him) but I also want to enjoy eating purely for pleasure too. It sounds to me like you are enjoying new attitude to food and eating, if so do you have any other helpful hints? Or any other useful information in general?

JB30 Tue 30-Apr-13 06:10:36

Just installed the band last night - was going to wait a week but couldn't risk it as started to be eat rings around myself - I think my mind is struggling to accept the loss of mindless gorging, on some level I seem to enjoy stuffing my face, it's like I enjoy not enjoying my food iykwim?
I dozed off during the procedure, wasn't sure if that was ok so re-ran it this morning. Looking forward to my first day

JB30 Tue 30-Apr-13 06:11:02

Just installed the band last night - was going to wait a week but couldn't risk it as started to be eat rings around myself - I think my mind is struggling to accept the loss of mindless gorging, on some level I seem to enjoy stuffing my face, it's like I enjoy not enjoying my food iykwim?
I dozed off during the procedure, wasn't sure if that was ok so re-ran it this morning. Looking forward to my first day

workhouse Tue 30-Apr-13 09:56:55

Hi all, my book arrived yesterday and I'm starting a week of non processed food. I haven't read this whole thread yet (I intend to) and I haven't finished the book either but I want to get started right away.

I really hope that unprocessed food allows wholegrain bread and cheese. I am panicking at the thought of a whole week without cheese! Am off for my half hour walk soon and back via the supermarket, for lots of fresh stuff.

Looking forward to reading the thread and being inspired.

JB30 Wed 01-May-13 07:51:35

Day 1 complete - didn't eat much, felt like food wasn't going down. Nearly like it was sitting in my new tiny stomach! Not tracking what I'm eating particularly but it's definitely a lot less than before.
V optimistic!

mameulah Wed 01-May-13 08:46:58

Very exciting JB30, keep us posted!

Spinme307 Wed 01-May-13 15:54:54

could i ask you ladies if any of you have suffered from any side effects? tmi here but since listening to cd Monday night i keep having diarrhea about an hour or so after I've eaten. im certain imagine not eating too much as i don't have much if an appetite after the cd. so could it be my hypno band or do i just have a bug???

veryberrybug Thu 02-May-13 13:20:35

mameulah you're very welcome. i most certainly am enjoying food more now i'm eating less, and i swear it's never tasted so good! i just enjoyed a superb sandwich for lunch with bacon, egg & cheese (bit of a protein-fest eh?! i have been exercising a lot so guess my body telling me it needs muscle-building material!) & afterwards, as i sat there feeling delicious & satisfied, i realised that i'd eaten the same "allowance" as from a previous diet, yet felt much more satisfied as i'd noticed what i was eating rather than shoving it down in a panic "waaah that's all i'm allowed sad"

i read in a magazine that those who eat mindfully are less likely to snack soon after because the brain's hunger has been satiated aswell as the stomach, the brain remembers it more so does not crave. as for you feeling full after 3grapes (holy guacemole!!) on ICMYT, was this always the case or just one day? if the latter maybe you were just having a no-needin-much day? i've noticed my eating becoming more like my DDs & mine as a child (all naturally thin) which we call "camelling" as your body gets you to stock up & then has a few days with barely a crumb. the other day i overate at lunch & after initially berating myself (still fighting old habits) found i just didn't fancy food at all, in fact had a glass of water at teatime & a teeny apple later, so my body balanced itself out.

JB30 i know what you mean about fearing not being able to pig out, it's like losing an old friend. but to be honest, i would much rather be without the sickly guilt afterwards. overall i've found the daily pleasure i get from real food is totally filling the hole ('scuse the pun) which gorging did (overfill actually!) before. ie. i just don't get as miserable because i top up my joy level every time i'm hungry, whereas before eating was stressful & guilty so i ended up miserable more often & felt the need to gorge. i thought "oh no! what if i don't like cake anymore?" but sometimes i really do like it, other times it would taste too sweet if i didn't really want it. apart from that i've found the havening excellent, make sure you score ?/10 misery before you start then you notice benefit more clearly.

spinme i've not had the squits from it, just a nightmare after first installation about being wheeled round a hospital & i couldn't turn to see who it was & didn't know where to. to be fair i was a bit stressed that night anyway. listened umpteen times since & once felt a bit sick 5mins after breakfast but no bad effects. sadly no tiny portions either but appetite reduced in frequency. not getting the quick fix (weightloss) i was hoping for but slowly & steadily feeling much better about food generally.

Fairygen Thu 02-May-13 20:09:33

Hi all, well after just over 2 months I have gone to the dark side and joined a slimming club! I can hardly believe I have.

As much as I have found HGB a really successful way to lose weight, I miss food!! My total lack of appetite has made me not want to cook, and I find I get no pleasure at all from eating!

I'm hoping to continue following the rules, only not as strictly. Hopefully that and the new eating plan will work...

Good luck with your weight losses

veryberrybug Thu 02-May-13 21:26:37

my goodness i'm really surprised at your decision fairygen is it the lack of food quantity you miss? in which case what about doing ICMYT whereby you still eat normal portions? do you not mind going back to being told what you can eat & counting etc & the binge-urge that follows? are you managing the 4 golden rules or gulping down a tiny amount? i could see how it would be rubbish just to eat tiny & no get the joy, i'm eating medium & getting real pleasure

mameulah Thu 02-May-13 22:05:29

very That is extremely helpful and interesting. Thank you heaps for posting, if you have any other top tips or insightful information I would love to know. Keep up the good work, you are very inspiring!

mameulah Thu 02-May-13 22:19:15

Actually very or anyone else out there. Can you give me any advice on this...???

I have read about half of the PM HGB book. I have really enjoyed it so far. We are going away for a large family gathering in two weeks and I am really disappointed in myself because I haven't lost any of the weight that I had planned to. I don't want to start the HGB until I get back because I don't want to draw attention to myself with new unusual habits. Can anyone suggest any behaviours that I can adopt in the next two weeks that get me in the right frame of mind without jinxing my HGB mojo that I want to give myself 100 per cent of my attention when I get back.


veryberrybug Fri 03-May-13 14:49:18

hey mameulah glad if i help. oh believe me i know what you mean about having something coming up, eg. family gathering/holiday, for which you wanted to look thin & fabulous, & then being gutted because you've no quite done it (or even made a dent!), tsh! been there so many times...blush

i was a bit nervous about how things would change after installation, & put it off for about a month while i reread the book, had a holiday week with mum & her partner (& i know she looks with a critical eye especially at fatties, so didn't want tro draw attention to myself), had a busy week (aren't they all?!) etc.

during that time i made a point of following the four golden rules, to get myself in practice. (well except on the holiday, all went to pot then oops) but i'm glad i did because very gradually it's getting easier to read full signals, & even some inbetween. it's like they're getting louder, after years of rudely being ignored & told to shut up & bugger off! at lunch today i finished my sandwich, decided i was still hungry (though less so) & got up to make another, but by the time i got the bread out my body shouted "no thanks, i'm full now" & i actually heard it!! previously i would've been so bent on making the sandwich & scoffing it & sticking to my decision, i would not have heard.

so i would recommend doing the four golden rules first, as it takes practice & just gets better! when you slip up & realise you've forgotten, just congratulate yourself on having noticed & bring yourself back with kindness. smile no-one will notice & then when you're back you can give yourself 100%. it's the best thing you can do for yourself, i'm certainly a darn-tootin lot happier with this WOE!

mameulah Fri 03-May-13 21:48:00


How so lovely to hear from you and thank you for taking the time once again to share more wisdom.

What you said is exactly what I needed and wanted to hear. And I am glad that you reckon practise makes perfect with the Four Golden Rules. And that I don't need to feel defeated. I had sooooooooo wanted to be a healthy and happy size before this family gathering. Your advice has stopped me feeling so helpless and I appreciate your words very much.

veryberrybug Fri 03-May-13 23:19:13

my pleasure mameulah i'm coming to realise there is no perfection there is just "good enough" which is what each of us can manage with a wee bit effort.

i've cocked up this eve after tea was ready at exactly the point when i had an argument with DP... needless to say my mind was not fully on what was in my gob...oops... but now it's settled down i'm happy i can pick up where i left off a few hours ago. no guilt,(well maybe just a teeny bit, but i'm still learning!) just a quick havening & back to what is now normal! (maybe the gin helped! well it is friday after all!)

i've spent more than enough time berating myself (as many of us have) for what i've eaten, but now i feel i've found a WOE which suits (& finding myself eating & feeling the way i did about food when i was thin effortlessly) i hope you'll soon be comfortable on this path too smile

do what you can & i'd love to hear how you get on

veryberrybug Sun 05-May-13 13:51:35

good morning all! maybe it's the sunshine streaming in the window, but feeling quite bright & breezy here today grin

i've always been a fan of having 2 bits of toast because i can never decide which topping to have! however with reduced capacity i just cany finish that now, but found the answer by surprise - a mini loaf! so i've had one with butter & marmite, & one with mature cheddar cheese & sweet onion chutney mmmmm now comfortably full & satisfied

how's everyone doing?

themidwife Mon 06-May-13 18:31:16

Marking my spot. Have ordered PM 's hupnotic gastric band & awaiting delivery. How does it differ from I Can Make You Thin?

Fairygen Mon 06-May-13 20:35:23

very, I love HGB, and have followed the rules, with a very occasional slip up. I have found it easy to lose weight consistently.

The only problem is that I have absolutely no appetite and when I am hungry I eat no more than I handful. It is definitely the quantity I miss. It also makes cooking a nightmare!!

So far, I haven't craved or binged on anything. Tbh the diet I am following doesn't restrict that much,( I don't eat a lot of rubbish anyway),so it's more or less what I've been eating on HGB, I'm just trying to slowly eat slightly more.

Just hope I don't go completely the opposite way, or I'll be back to the cd etc!

mameulah Mon 06-May-13 22:50:09


Do you find you spend your time in different ways because of your new approach to eating/dieting and food?


I have thought a lot about what you said, and agree that 'good enough' is most definitely the best approach. Truthfully I have spent the last three years eating badly because 'tomorrow, definitely tomorrow' I would be 'good' forever. Of course this is impossible. I also read somewhere on here yesterday that someone said they think before eating, 'is this actually going to make me happy?' Am trying to keep that in mind too.

Fairygen Tue 07-May-13 07:55:01

mameulah, yes definitely! At the beginning I still thought about food a lot, possibly more because i was trying to be conscious about what i was eating. I couldn't understand how people said they had so much more time, because they weren't thinking about food as much. After a week or so, it became easier.

I don't think I have any more time, I just have the motivation and energy to get on with things. I've done all those little jobs around the house I'd been putting off, and the dog gets 3 huge walks a day instead of just round the block!

I still don't have any desire properly exercise though!!

veryberrybug Tue 07-May-13 21:52:16

hey up everyone!
fairy ISWYM, both my kids have always been tiny eaters & i thanked my luccky stars that DP & i like our food otherwise cooking would be a thankless task. the other night i wasny hungry at all but had to feed DDs & really couldny be arsed! so fair enough. let us know how you get on eh?

any older posters out there? i was wondering how the weightloss etc was going several months in?

mameulah aye it's hard the way diets make us not only think food is either "good" or "bad" but also that we fall into these categories too sad but we can break out of it, it's just a pattern. yes i read in PMs ICMYT that he had great success with loads of clients just by putting a giant question mark on their fridge, to remind them to ask themselves "am i really hungry or do i just want to change the way i feel?" he also says "relax, you will mess up at some point, so don't self-flaggelate, just remind yourself that i said you'd do this, & then get back to the four rules" - how nice & realistic an expectation! keep us posted!

midwife hellooo! ICMYT is the four golden rules & a relaxing hypno-CD which tells you lovely positive things (see thread 11).
HGB has the four golden rules & a hypno-CD which is supposed to make you feel like you've got a gastric band fitted so your stomach capacity is only the size of a lemon not a melon.

cheery-bye, i'm off as i'm totally knackered after a really good zumba class smile

katelynelizabeth Wed 08-May-13 08:38:00

Hey there,

I just started reading the book and listening to the cd. Do I keep counting down from 300? I keep losing count . Or is that what is meant to happen? I've googled for answers and some people state that it means that its working? I'm not sank you in advance! like an answer smile. Thank you in advance!

veryberrybug Wed 08-May-13 11:43:18

hello kate yes you keep counting while you remember, but it doesny matter if you forget or lose count. if you find yourself realising you're not counting, just start roughly where you last remember being. i drift off & return every now & then, some people don't get far but others do. some people stop when he asks you to imagine stuff & focus on that then. it's just something to focus you here & now while you relax. good luck! let us know how you get on.

katelynelizabeth Wed 08-May-13 12:13:01

Thank you veryberrybug that helps out heaps smile. How have you (and everyone else) come along with this book and cd?
Such a great read!

workhouse Thu 09-May-13 15:02:13

Hi all. I installed my band this afternoon. I really enjoyed the trance but did feel a bit stressed about when to stop counting backwards. So I just carried on and counted sporadically until the end.

Ive just eaten my lunch, a very unhealthy choice of a cheese and onion sausage roll type thing, which I had in the house and really wanted to get rid of. It tasted horrible, but I don't know whether that was because I was eating mindfully and really concentrating on how it tasted ( like a bit of cardboard) or because of the virtual band.

Anyway, now really looking forward to something tasty and fresh for tea. I'm feeling really confident about this.

veryberrybug Fri 10-May-13 22:35:32

hello & welcome workhouse that'll be the mindful eating working then! i too am guilty of having eaten to "tidy up" it's rubbish isn't it?! glad you feel positive, keep us posted.

kate you're welcome. i've found the gastric band has made seemingly no difference to the quantity i could eat, which i won't deny disappointed me. however the four golden rules have completely changed my attitude to food & eating in a very positive way. i feel much happier around food, i feel like i no longer need to worry about passing crap food issues on to my DDs, & generally life is better! smile mealtime is joy & not stress/guilt/longing, & when shopping i now look at special offers of sweet manufactured crap & DON'T buy it because i don't want to, not because i'm dragging myself past it trying not to drool! i no longer feel ruled by whether i've been "good" or "bad" with regards to what i've eaten. i'm really enjoying this change in my life!
i've only been Pauling for ~1month but appear to have lost ~1inch round my waist,& today someone commented how they could see i'd lost weight in my face & legs (how nice!) i'm going for a proper weigh & measure at curves next week, but not 'til then because i've got my period this week & that bloats me & i get heavier with water retention etc. so i'll have to wait & see! but i've noticed belt 1notch tighter, denim skirt buttons up etc.
it may be slower than i'd hoped for but sooo sustainable & much more enjoyable than anything else!grin

katelynelizabeth Sat 11-May-13 07:05:13

Thats amazing veryberrybug I look forward to hear your results smile
I've been finding that i eat a lot less but still eating the foods i enjoy and am enjoying them a lot more!
My boyfriend thinks i should be eating healthier but i rarely enjoy those foods.

veryberrybug Sat 11-May-13 12:31:58

it's funny, what PM says in ICMYT book about humans (babies/adults) will naturally choose a balanced diet over the course of a month, well it seems to be true for me: when i was on a diet i used to have massive piles of salad because it would help fill me up; when i started Pauling i noticed i hadn't had much salad for a week or so hmm... then suddenly all i wanted was salad & for the last few days i've mostly been eating chicken salad sandwiches with piles of lettuce & peppers on the side, & the occasional egg salad! & actually enjoying the salad part as much as the rest, where before it was a needs-must-to-fill-me. & recently i found myself not wanting lashings of cheese on a pasta & tomato sauce shock whereas in diet mode i did. so just keep eating what you like & your subconscious will do the rest, so long as you really listen to it you'll be fine!smile

Stillstarving Sun 12-May-13 14:47:21

Hi everybody! I've ordered this book after a friend had success with it. I'm a bit puzzled by eating only when you're hungry/eating what you want. How goes this work with feeding a family/being at work? I have to plan the menus for the week if we are to eat healthily and in budget. Can I still do this? I can't get home and start thinking about what to have for dinner. Also dh wants to try it too. What if he wants to eat something different? Am I over-complicating this??

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 14:59:15

I'm still waiting for my hypno band book but I've got the I Can Make You Thin book & if its the same idea re eating what you want then that's just it, eat the same meals as your family but if the hypno band works, it'll be much smaller portions & no snacking on fattening foods in between.

Stillstarving Mon 13-May-13 10:32:10

Thanks midwife - I have a tendency to make things harder than they need to be! I'm sceptical about this working but my habits definitely need to change. Can't see that it's going to be easy but worth a try!

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 10:47:17

Yes nothing to lose (except the flab) eh?!

ChewingOnLifesGristle Mon 13-May-13 11:01:05

I've just received my book and cd.

Please can I just ask..How long does the cd/band 'installation' take? I want to make sure I pick a time when I won't be interrupted. Also is it necessary to read the entire book beforehand or can I do that afterwards?

FoodieToo Mon 13-May-13 11:31:46

Fairygen how can you undo the band ?

Am interested as and didn't work at all for me.

Thanks a,

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 12:22:19

My book, CD & DVD have arrived! Reading book! smile

veryberrybug Mon 13-May-13 19:00:15

hello chewing you must read the book first, there's instructions to do before the CD. then the first track (pre-installation) is ~13min long, the installation itself is 28mins.

stillstarving i find i get a generalised craving which rumbles on so suits weekly shopping & planning. eg. i might really fancy some red meat & if it was the end of the week & we didn't have any, i'd still find myself rather fancying it when i went to do the big food shop on monday, so could get it then. if DH just lets you know his requests you'll be fine, & if you cook for kids teatime but aren't hungry yourself, just plate it up & <ding> it later when/if you are.

good luck to you both! smile

ChewingOnLifesGristle Mon 13-May-13 19:18:08

Thank you Veryberry. Will read the book first. I was keen to get going but don't want to short circuit the systemgrin

Is it necessary to 're-install' the band from time to time? (ie keep listening to the cd) or does once last indefinitely? (Sorry to keep firing questions. Should really read the bookblush)

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 19:29:48

Read the book - I read it all in short bursts this afternoon so it's not long!

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 21:09:05

Read the book, watched the very short tapping DVD, listened to the Pre op cdb& then listened to the trance cd to have the band fitted.

During the trance part when the gastric band was being tightened around my stomach I felt a physical tightening - weird !! Just shows how powerful the mind is!

I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow but I know that I'll need to listen to it repeatedly as my mind slips easily!

Stillstarving Wed 15-May-13 11:47:04

veryberry thanks, I see what you mean - I had an idea that every time I'm hungry I would have to try to think what I really really wanted and then find it and eat it. As I say I can over-complicate anything!!
Got my book yesterday and have read it. Am now doing my preparation for my surgery! Eating healthily and need to plan a date for the op! Do I need to wait the full 2 weeks do you think? I'm keen to get started and was thinking maybe about next Thursday but I don't want to lessen the effect by rushing things. I've been trying to lose weight so have been exercising and eating pretty healthily anyway. I do need to learn the havening technique and I've started trying to follow the 4 golden rules. It all does seem slightly insane but if it works.....

themidwife Wed 15-May-13 15:52:25

I did it all on Monday (I don't eat junk food & already exercise daily anyway!) Getting full very quickly! It's great! smile

Stillstarving Wed 15-May-13 18:09:07

Midwife that's fabulous that it's working for you! I am sceptical about it but hopeful. How much less would you say you're eating?

veryberrybug Wed 15-May-13 19:47:31

ooh glad it's working for you midwife

stillstarving no worries i don't think you're overcomplicating it, i too like to have an idea of what i'm getting into! i tend to pack a couple of different snacks (eg. 1 savoury, 1 sweet) & sometimes still don't have the right thing, but as i said it's more like a low-level rumbling, quite different from the sudden urgent binge-urges i'd gotten used to as a dieter. lots of people upthread just went for it, not doing a full 2 weeks, with cries of "if i could stop eating shite i wouldn't need this"! i waited a good few weeks as i wanted to digest the book grin & reread, but still ate chocolate (come on it was easter!) so up to you.

chewing some people listen to the band every day for the first 5 days (the folk who did it in The Sun newspaper - urg i don't read that crap it just came up when i googled it!) it says in the book listen at least once a month until you've been at your target size/weight for 6 months. it's supposed to readjust itself automatically to the appropriate size for you when you listen. when you stop i guess it just wears off.

veryberrybug Wed 15-May-13 19:49:27

mameulah are out out there? how are you getting on?

veryberrybug Wed 15-May-13 19:50:18

oops are you out there?

mameulah Wed 15-May-13 23:35:50

very Thank you for thinking of me. I have been having a quiet chocolate guzzling meltdown wondering what it is that stops me being dedicated to actually sorting my food/diet/exercise/body imagine 'issues.' What you wrote on May10th makes absolute perfect sense to me. I have before been the person who had a positive head space about everything and frankly I am so sick of forcing myself into a new regime and then falling off the wagon that I almost can't even bear to think about it. And to top it all we are having our big family gathering this weekend and I am a dress size bigger than I have ever been and still look like I am pregnant. But, as my Mum says 'life is what you make it', so I am trying hard not to feel too shitie about it.

Things I have learned since thinking about this new approach......

Overeating is, to some intent and purpose, something that I enjoy and something that I dedicate far too much thought and time to.

I have spent almost every day of the last three years thinking 'I've ruined it (my healthy forever regime) so I might as well splure and then I will 'be good forever' from tomorrow.

I am SICK of painting on self esteem and pretending I am fine with being huge.

My head space in all other aspects of my life is really together. Why can't I sort this out?

So, very if you haven't given up reading my long ramblings is......

Go away and enjoy my holiday, try not to be too hard on myself and...

Here is the dilemma, sing back onto WW because I don't trust myself to Paul-it.


Trust myself to Paul-it and trust his method.

And very well done you. Really well done, I hope you are feeling suitably delicious about all you are achieving.

mameulah Wed 15-May-13 23:36:22

'sign' back onto WW, not 'sing'!

themidwife Wed 15-May-13 23:41:11

I reckon I'm eating about half what I normally do at the most. I don't think I could listen to the cd once a month. I think I will need it almost daily. But that's just me! blush

Fairygen Thu 16-May-13 19:17:08

foodietoo I haven't undone it as such. I've just been less conscious when eating. Over the last 3 weeks my food intake has doubled.

Tbh I'm no happier on SW! First week -6, last 2 weeks sts. I was averaging 1.5lbs a week on HGB, so not a massive increase in weight loss. I'm doing the red plan, (which is high protein and low carb) and I really miss potatoes, and butter!!

Really not sure what to do........

FoodieToo Thu 16-May-13 22:09:22

Thanks a million for replying.

The gastric band didn't really seem to work for me. I did slimming world too. I loved that plan but very slow losses for me.

I thought I read from your post that you had absolutely no appetite whatsoever because of the band.

Fairygen Fri 17-May-13 17:14:41

While I was on the band, I really struggled to eat because I didn't have much of an appetite, even though I could eat whatever I wanted. I basically lived on salad potatoes cooked in the oven, with a couple of tblsp of chilli or curry.

When I started SW I stopped following the 4 rules. I've started to naturally eat more, but have started craving the stuff I shouldn't have!

Beginning to wonder if I'd be better off just following the rules, without the band.

I'm sorry it hasn't worked for you. I listened to the cd at least 2 or 3 times a week, that was the only way I could get the effects to last.

veryberrybug Fri 17-May-13 22:35:08

hellooo & happy friday!

mameulah if you're not away yet, i hope you enjoy some of your family weekend despite your reservations, good luck grin i'll be thinking of you. when you get back give pauling a go! you've nothing to lose (except food stress & some inches!) let's face it you wouldn't have given up on WW before if it was working for you. i had a wobble yesterday but i'm right back on track today, that's the beauty you can just pick it up where you left off with no need to psych yourself up for more deprivation & going "oh well i'll just binge a bit more while i'm off the wagon". i had a mini magnum in the sun today with no guilt because i was hungry & it was exactly what i wanted! before i would have tried to balance it out by missing some of my dinner, but i would have then been hungry later & had something else over my allowance, then guilt, then urg, etc, you get the picture! we'll be here to chum you in paul-dom!

fairy you read my mind, i didn't have time to post after reading your initial wondering if SW was right, but i was thinking "just do the 4 rules without the band" because then you get to eat normal quantities so it's worth cooking, but you won't crave butter & tatties you're "not allowed" because you can have them! undoing the restriction allows your body to tell you what it really wants, not just what it thinks it wants because it's no allowed. when i started binge-eating as a direct result of dieting, i looked up loads of stuff on bingeing & without fail every single reformed binger/bulimic said "it's scary but you MUST STOP DIETING"

i'm happy to report i've lost an inch off my bust & waist, & 1/2 inch off my hips. all this while feeling a lot happier around food. yey! smile

veryberrybug Fri 17-May-13 22:36:29

p.s. that's from doing the four golden rules, the band didny work for me.

Vivacia Sat 18-May-13 19:16:02

Hi everyone. I follow Paul's I Can Make You Thin. I hadn't heard of the gastric band version until I read this thread, but hope I can join in here.

veryberrybug Sun 19-May-13 00:45:53

vivacia you're very welcome here smile how long have you been doing ICMYT? how have you found it? there's also another thread on ICMYT called happy new year paul mckenna thread 11. they bin doin it longtime wiv success grin

Vivacia Sun 19-May-13 08:58:47

Thank you for the welcome Very. I have done Paul before (with success) and have recently restarted to give myself a bit of a boost.

Fairygen Sun 19-May-13 17:34:41

Would love to know how chinhealer, maskedhorror etc are getting on. Also OP lynniep.

Decision made, I'm going back HGB tomorrow! If I find it too extreme I'll just do the 4 rules.

Fairygen Sun 19-May-13 19:33:15

mameulah, your post could have been written by me! I spend the majority of the time on a diet thinking- I've blown it for today so I'll just finish all the naughty food in the house and start afresh tomorrow. Or - I've blown it today, so the week is ruined, I'll pig out and start again on Monday.
We all know diets can only start on a Monday!!

I've just decided that, realistically, this is the only plan I'll be able to stick to 7 days a week.

Hope you have a good holiday.

veryberrybug Sun 19-May-13 22:13:21

hurrah i'm pleased for you fairy coming back to paul smile you're so right about it being the only sustainable solution.

i'm also very familiar with the things you & mameulah wrote about, it's a pattern of behaviour & thoughts every overweight dieter knows! it's weird, i couldn't really believe until i'd been pauling for a while that it's the diet that makes that happen, i thought i was just naturally a greedy pig with a propensity for eating shite with no self-control & thus deserved to be a fat cow. but since then i've found that often i really won't want dieter's forbidden foods even when they're in front of me!! grin & have preferred a healthier option like fruit & found it so much more satisfying

i'd also love to hear what happened to OP & others... hmm

Stillstarving Mon 20-May-13 11:47:07

I listened to the installation CD last night but fell asleep almost immediately so I'm not sure it has worked! Think I'll have to listen again tonight! I didn't want much breakfast but that's not unusual for me so we'll see how the day goes. I'm almost fighting it in my head though - don't really believe I can change my habits and have a strange dread of not being able to eat a big dinner. When I've read of peole getting real gastric bands I've always thought how awful it would be to only be able to eat tiny amounts forever. Obviously thats not what we're doing but I seem to be clinging to my foody comfort blanket. And I'm going on holiday in 5 weeks and I wanted to be about 2 stones lighter than I am now. Ah the mind is a peculiar thing! Can someone please talk some sense into me!!

veryberrybug Mon 20-May-13 12:48:15

stillstarving paul said so long as you wake up at the end where he says "wake up" & counts down, then it doesn't matter if you can't remember any of it, it will still have gone into your subconcious. if you don't wake up at the end, do it at a different time of day when you're not so zonked!

i know exactly what you mean about being worried about not eating so much anymore, & i think from what mameulah said upthread she felt the same too. it's like overeating is an old friend (albeit an unhelpful one) & you think you will miss it... as if you get a bit of happy from every mouthful & you fear not getting enough happy from not eating so much. but in fact eating less you will get more pleasure from every mouthful because you really taste it & you'll be losing weight so you will be overall happier than when you were overeating if that makes sense?! confused if you try it and don't like the small portions like fairy you can just do the four golden rules.

but 2 stone in 5 weeks?? eek that would be a bit much to hope for realisticly. i'm going on holiday to a beach in france in 6 weeks & i'd originally hoped to be thin by then (got 3 stone to lose) but have revised my expectations just to be thinner by then. lost some inches so far so good! smile

Stillstarving Mon 20-May-13 13:49:44

That's it exactly very! I'm afraid I'm going to be miserable without my old chum of food being there every time I have any kind of emotion - bored, happy, sad, anxious. And I like my food!
No I absolutely know I can't lose 2 stone in 5 weeks!! I'm cross though that I haven't managed so far to lose ANYTHING since Christmas so fighting the whole thinking its pointless, nothing makes any difference I'm so rubbish spiral of self-defeat. I'm a right cheerichops today aren't I!
This is the plan. I will put away the scales. My weight fluctuates enormously and really puts me off. I will do what that nice Mr McKenna says about the 4 rules. I will do some form of exercise daily - sometimes just a walk sometimes more strenuous. I will take measurements today. I will not have any wine until Friday. I will not weigh myself until end of May.

Stillstarving Mon 20-May-13 14:13:52

Just read back on the thread and saw the posts you were talking about very Yes mameulah and fairy I could have written either of those posts!

Vivacia Mon 20-May-13 15:12:49

For me that's the good thing about Paul - nobody's telling me I can't eat the kind of food that I love (and I love eating).

The thing you are being told not to do, is to eat beyond your fill. To stuff yourself beyond being able to move. It's a nice feeling though! Every time I'm tempted to stuff myself I think what's nicer - feeling stuffed for the next hour or pulling on that pair of size 10 jeans? That's what keeps me motivated during Friday night take away.

veryberrybug Mon 20-May-13 17:54:00

stillstarving that's a great plan! i think i may have to join you banishing the scales, because like many i tend to hop on hoping for a sneak peek at a good result, but more often than not it derails me when i go on too often. when i was thin i only weighed out of curiosity every few months! measuring ourself seems like the best bet, after all it's my underwear i want to look good in, no-one will be under me noticing how much i weigh! smile
WRT foody friend, i've found the havening excellent, even got me out of a panic attack. & it's been nicer not dealing with emotions by food, because to be honest food never dealt with it satisfactorily anyhoo. but mostly i've been surprised to find i've hardly needed the havening, because every mealtime is joy & satisfaction instead of stress/guilt/longing, & thus it's like my happiness has been kept topped up by simple wee pleasures. wink

top marks vivacia i like your commentry & self-motivation there. i sometimes manage to say "& it will still taste nice later when i'm hungry again", but had a couple of unconscious blips recently. funnily enough, i found when i had accidentally overeaten (because i just wasny paying attention & eating too fast, tsh angry) it was the overfull feeling which triggered the binge urge??! like really wanting chocolate on top of being fit to burst hmm what's that about eh? maybe just an old mental connection from when i was binging before? confused

veryberrybug Mon 20-May-13 17:57:58

OMG i just read back & thought someone under me sounds decidedly dodgy HAHAHA blush well so long as it's DP & i'm not crushing him to death!! grin

Stillstarving Tue 21-May-13 16:06:10

Fitted the band again and fell asleep again - not so soundly this time though - and I kid you not there was a sudden tightening feeling just below my diaphragm!!! Don't know that it's made any dramatic difference to my eating today but I'm trying to follow the rules.
I hear what you're saying about havening very I need to get better acquainted with it

veryberrybug Tue 21-May-13 21:48:12

how's the motivation going stillstarving ? i hear what you said about being so fed up not losing anything since christmas, i got my new diary out in the new year & said "right! 28 weeks 'til beach holiday = 28 lbs to lose at 1lb per week" it all sounded so easy! then i put on more weight & ended up with more to lose in less time aaarrrgghh!! but in fact now i'm not setting myself a timescale it's easier, as an older & wiser lady friend from my curves gym said to me "the weight will come off when the time's right" but at the time i was all "bugger that! i want it off yesteray!!" & all stressed & it taking over my life etc sigh but now i see other things had to fall into place... like a Pauling mindset! Pauling isn't pointless & will make a difference! grin
to get the havening: after watching the DVD a couple of times, i did it about 5 times in a row every day for a few days, each time seeing how far i could get without having to look at the book. now i have a pattern to remember it by (3 things with eyes, 3 things beginning with "s", etc) it is very comforting smile

vivacia i remember that interview martin bashir did with princess diana, where they talked about her bulimia, & what particularly stayed with me was her saying "when you feel so full, it's like someone putting a pair of arms around you" sounds very comforting, is that how you find the full feeling?

mameulah are you back yet? how'd you get on? smile we're here for you to get pauling when you're ready

veryberrybug Tue 21-May-13 21:52:52

viv oops didny mean it to sound like i assumed you were bulimic/emotional eater or anything, just wondered what it was about the full feeling you liked? blush

themidwife Tue 21-May-13 23:13:35

My band loosened over the weekend when I forced it by eating & drinking socially. Listened to the cd again & felt a tightening again. Will get back into the 4 golden rules & havening. I think I'm one of those people who needs to listen to the cd most nights.

Stillstarving Wed 22-May-13 14:11:32

I think I need to listen to it most nights too! I'm finding myself much more aware of when I would automatically eat to avoid doing stuff I don't want to! I'm eating much more slowly too but eating without doing something else as well is quite challenging! I need the backup of the cd to keep me at it I think.

Fairygen Thu 23-May-13 10:17:51

I'm loving being back to eating normal food! So far I have just been following the rules and haven't listened to the cd. Think I might give it a go at the weekend. I used to listen to the cd every other day, I'm wondering if this is the reason I had hardly any appetite.

Don't really care if I've lost any weight or not.I feel good, and atm that's the most important thing

veryberrybug Thu 23-May-13 21:29:49

hurrah i'm really happy for you all it sounds like it's all going swimmingly! good stuff girls, keep it up. smile

fairy if you're happy doing the four rules, why not stick with that for now? loads of people lose weight happily with that alone.

midwife & still you both sound like you're getting much more aware of what your body is telling you, which can only be good. on the path to enlightenment eh grin

Stillstarving Thu 23-May-13 22:09:56

I'm not sure that I'm going to lose weight! But this does feel like a healthier attitude. Just don't want it to wear off.

SirRaymondClench Thu 23-May-13 22:46:59

I am just marking my place as I've just ordered this book and cd. I am having a hysterectomy this year and will be starting surgical meno so want to shift some pounds and get in tip top shape before my op. I have about a stone to lose but I am a sugar junky sadly!

veryberrybug Fri 24-May-13 16:09:59

still i know what you mean, just having faith that it will work is hard before you see the results, especially if you've tried things that have failed in the past. i found that focussing on the healthy attitude & how much happier i was helped in the first instance, & i wrote a list of things which had changed for me so far, like not thinking about food all the time! if i felt my resolve wavering, i'd look at it & go "oh yeah, stuff is happening!"

clench welcome! (can i call you that!?!)grin is your sugar addiction the result of previous dieting or just a sweet tooth?

Fairygen Fri 24-May-13 17:33:09

I too have had a huge sugar craving. Paul says to cut out sugary foods for 2 weeks before installing the band. If I could have done that, I would have been able to stick to one of the a million diets/ fads I've tried!!

I just installed the band straight away, and naturally didn't want it as much. I still have the odd biscuit, cake or choc but don't eat the whole packet in 2 seconds