Week 1 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - And We're Off!

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BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 07:40:33

Morning, soon-to-be-losers!

Come and confess all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Here is a reminder of the rules of Bootcamp:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food, and focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals – meat/fish/eggs.
Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Maximise your fat intake.
Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food – this is where your carbs should come from.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list (see below). You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Minimal dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but only in small amounts.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol

8.No fruit

9.No nuts/seeds

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 07:43:01

The idea behind Bootcamp is to make it as easy as possible for you to follow a low carb WOE (way of eating). There is no need to count carbs, as long as you stick to the rules, and focus on eating veg from the allowed veg list.

Here is the list of allowed veg:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Asparagus 1.4
Avocado flesh1.9
Runner beans2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Yellow pepper5.3
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5

If it's not on the list, see if you can find out how many carbs it has - or ask on this thread.

Focus on eating those veg that are 3g carbs per 100g or less for the next fortnight.

coldethyl Mon 07-Jan-13 07:46:32

Morning BIWI! Feeling very gung-ho this morning - I've lost 6.75lbs since last Monday, despite occasional cheats (so I must have been eating real rubbish before) and am ready to get on with it!

Off for an emmental and spinach roll with a small coffee with cream to start the day!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 07:52:04

That's a great start, coldethyl!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 07:53:13

Here is a piece about water and how much you should be drinking. This is taken from the Carblife website (http://www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/:

Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be


High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour."

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 07-Jan-13 07:53:22

Yes, we are off!

Morning BIWI, morning evvvvvveryone smile

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 07:54:03

Grr. Link fail! Carblife

Moooooorning! Checking in, am 3 kgs down from my starting weight this morning! And that's in less than a week! Am also feeling much better after a shaky start.... 'Carb flu' has gone!

ILoveTIFFANY Mon 07-Jan-13 07:58:34

Can I join?

Done this before but kinda gave up! Lost a fair amount tho.

How does cottage cheese and tinned tuna fare? See bacon and ham are not good... Has that changed?

Porkster Mon 07-Jan-13 07:58:42

Hi BIWI, can you add me please? I can't seem to add myself, maybe because I'm on my phone.

152.5 this morning blush, having been a greedy pig over Christmas.

Dh has just made me scrambled egg & black tea.

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 07:59:01

Day 1 for me. Breakfast was egg white omelette and one coffee with splash of double cream.

I see I need to drink 3l of water. I will be sloshing around later.....

I have not managed to add myself to list or spreadsheet but will attempt again later.

Brianstorm Mon 07-Jan-13 07:59:17

I'm here - scrambled eggs and black coffee this morning. I'm not a great morning eater so getting eased in gently. 'Big shop' after school run for lots of nice meals coming up!

MissNJE Mon 07-Jan-13 08:01:12

Good morning!

I am full of energy and motivation this morning. I am already showered, my hair is blow-dried and I have make up on. I haven't managed that for over a year. I can't believe it. For breakfast I ate smoked salmon and a salad with egg, red pepper, feta cheese and cucumber. I drank green tea with it. I can't believe how much I am supposed to drink... 3l. I weighed in at 181.4lbs.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 08:03:11

Porkster - you're on the list!

ILoveTIFFANY and skandi1, you're on the spreadsheet too (down at the bottom for the moment, but hopefully Willie will re-alphabetize it later), but you haven't given a starting weight. Do you want to let me know what it is so I can add it for you? If you don't want to say the actual weight, you can start at 100, and then drop by 1 for every pound you lose.

ILoveTIFFANY - tinned tuna is perfect. Cottage cheese is OK, but it does have carbs in it, so check the side of the pot. Oh, and full fat please - none of that low fat stuff on Bootcamp!

EwanHoozami Mon 07-Jan-13 08:05:54

Thanks BIWI

New week, new start. I'm only 2lb from festive cheatage but that's still the wrong direction so I am now totally on bootcamp message <salutes>

My brief history - I've lost 20lb nice and steadily since last August. What sounds more exciting is that I've gone from slightly strained in a size 16 to wondering if a 12 is getting too loose.

I know that these last few pre-maintenance pounds are going to be quite tough. I know that I won't be getting the thrilling losses of those early days and will be really happy with a pound off a week.

Time to start up my water score-chart and hard-boil some eggs. Size 10 jeans, I'm coming to getcha!

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 08:07:57

Thank you BIWI. smile

Weight is (sigh) 185lbs this morning.

Final aim is 150lbs which will get me back to my pre DC weight and BMI of 21.

Porkster Mon 07-Jan-13 08:08:31

Thanks BIWI.

Vagndidit Mon 07-Jan-13 08:08:42

I'm in. Was down about a stone lc-ing on my own before completely derailing over the festive season. Am bloated and ready to fit comfortably into my jeans again...and perhaps downside a few. grin
Good luck to all!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 08:09:57

Ewan - I was re-reading Atkins recently, about maintenance, and I'd totally forgotten that he has a 'pre-maintenance' phase, where you are supposed to up your carbs so that you lose really slowly - less than a pound a week - for up to 3 months. The idea behind this is that not only does this allow you to work out how many carbs you can eat (beyond induction levels) but it also enables you to come to terms with how you need to eat once you reach your target weight.

So slow loss is good!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 08:12:05

If anyone is unsure about the science behind low carbing, or you're being told by friends/family/colleagues that all the fat we are eating will be bad for us, then watch this video

It's about 45 minutes long, but really worth watching. If you don't have much time, watch the first 10 minutes. The statistics about the rise of obesity in the US, once low fat eating was championed, are startling and horrifying.

barleywood Mon 07-Jan-13 08:12:48

Marking my place...always get lost with the different threads.

Always slightly difficult when I have a strenuous day outdoors planned...and a lack of toilets.

Been following this WOE for around six months now...and I love it!!

EwanHoozami Mon 07-Jan-13 08:14:28

Sounds like exactly where I am! A couple of really strict weeks to lose the Christmas naughties and then I'll take the rest really steadily. thanks

barleywood Mon 07-Jan-13 08:15:51

BIWI..I loved that video. As a scientist I was almost embarrassed to admit I was eating high fat low carb. The statistics in the video validate this WOE although I was interested in the relationship between simple and complex carbs and whether the real culprit was sugar.

Still much easier to reduce all carbs.....and lose weight!!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 08:18:35

I think the difficult thing for many people is getting their heads around the fact that so-called healthy foods, like an apple or a yoghurt (as per in the video) can have such a negative impact.

prettybird Mon 07-Jan-13 08:19:43

Checking in. 13 stone 2lb this morning. That was better than I expected so I didn't move the scales to reweigh and try to get a "better" result blush

2 boiled eggs for breakfast and no OJ Better go and drink some more water.

Need to go and buy some cauliflower and turnip so that I can make low-carb shepherd's pie for supper.

barleywood Mon 07-Jan-13 08:20:19

Didn't you just love the packed lunch at the nutrition conference?

signing in... weight gain is awful, but i am still the same clothes size so a good proportion must be glycogen stores etc. i am quite bloated though and previously concave tummy is looking rather convex!

crappy week ahead though, too much work to catch up on and a funeral to top it off

Willowisp Mon 07-Jan-13 08:26:34

I've just gone to put my weight in & I've come off the spreadsheet...can you add me back please ? I am 111.5lbs

My DM is willowispmama & I'll add her weight when I know it later.m

Thanks !

Willowisp Mon 07-Jan-13 08:28:08

The video link looks good, will watch after school run.

I'm doing a fast day as cranking down by 3 lbs - obviously still following low carb principles smile

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 08:28:31

It's really weird being on the spreadsheet when other people are as well!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 08:29:21

Also, a really interesting blog post about the possible impact of artificial sweeteners here

that is odd willowisp as i know for definite you were in there as you were next to your mum and i added your loss from october

have reinstated you

anewdispensation Mon 07-Jan-13 08:33:40

Hello lovely ladies!!! So excited!!

a quick plea

please please please don't touch any blue squares on the spreadsheet as these contain formulae that mean that the calculations won't work if they are altered or deleted. this is particularly in relation to the conversion tab


MissNJE Mon 07-Jan-13 08:35:46

Skandi: may i ask how tall you are? I am 5'6 and would never be a BMI 21 with 150lbs.

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 08:36:40

I think that video is awesome, and no matter where you are in your low carb WOL, you shoudl watch it!

This is actually day 3 for me, but as I am a massive fatty, I could do with teh head start grin

Meeting a friend for breakfast, luckily the place we go to will happily make me a plate of eggs & bacon smile

cathyandclaire Mon 07-Jan-13 08:48:12

Barleywood, I was interested by the complex carb/sugar question too! But my plan is to stick to Bootcamp with all carbs from veggies then on maintenance slowly introduce some complex carbs.

Previously I managed oats and fruit and carby veg but anything more than that had me tearing through the cupboards looking for a carb fix like a crack addict!!!

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 08:53:26

MissNJ. I am 5'11".

Xenia Mon 07-Jan-13 08:56:32

i've always liked that video. Anyone into history as well as science might like this recent programme about the history of how sugar got its grip on the UK - www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG1CM7zXK5w It doesn't tell you how to eat but it is very interesting and background interest.

ILoveTIFFANY Mon 07-Jan-13 08:57:09

Can I weigh in in the morning? Will be more accurate than if I jump on scales now.... I like to do it properly.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 07-Jan-13 09:00:21

Is this the thread I need?

So bloody many grin

BIWI - MNHQ must think Boot Campers are going for World Domination

thekitchenfairy Mon 07-Jan-13 09:11:28

Morning all and big thanks to BIWI.

These threads race on bit worried I won't be able to keep up but I am determined to make this work. Loving all the support and incentive stories.

Can i squeeze lemon or lime juice from a bottle into water during bootcamp? Sorry getting to grips with iPad thingummy and can't see how to underline :-/

TheSandstoneCat Mon 07-Jan-13 09:12:29

Good morning - have just put my starting weight into the spreadsheet smile. Hope never to see that figure again.......

Fadqueen Mon 07-Jan-13 09:12:57

Morning all - I braved the scales. I really had to take a deep breath and psych myself up to get on them and face reality. For months I've just been going on how I feel and how my clothes fit.
I had done ok pre-Christmas but it all went very choc orange shaped over the last 3 weeks and I've basically eaten my way through the season as if I was in a competition to be the fattest ever!

Dear god what was I thinking?

Anyway, the scales say 165.4 which I have dutifully entered. Willie I noticed that the numbers have gone across into the blue section automatically. I did it from my iPad - have I messed it up and can I rectify it? So sorry, I really appreciate all the work gone into this.

Thanks so much BIWI this is such a generous thing to do.

I've done low carb before, I know it works and I'm damned well going to give it my all this time!

PromQueenWithin Mon 07-Jan-13 09:18:11

Here I am and resolved to follow the rules to the letter. Just worked out that I need to lose a round 20 lbs to reach target of 130. Off to make an omelette for breakfast, coffee with cream (and no Starbucks hazelnut syrup)

froufroulala Mon 07-Jan-13 09:22:41

I too have lost 6.75 since last Wednesday. Good luck everyone smile

BillComptonstrousers Mon 07-Jan-13 09:26:43

No bloody eggs for breakfast here sad so will have ham,feta,olives and cucumber sticks. I actually started last Wednesday, so in 5 days I've lost 3lbs and 2 inches of my waist already grin

Well, I finally weighed myself - first time since starting low carb in August - I'm 166 lbs (11 stone 12) which I'm delighted with (having started at 15 stone something). Hoping for 140 by June, which is totally possible! Been off alcohol for 7 days now, and I'm finding that easy too (the first couple of days took a bit of willpower).

Woke up this morning with a streaming cold, so I'm feeling a bit sorry for myself, but about to go have duck eggs and dry cure bacon for breakfast, which should cheer me up!

Jacaqueen Mon 07-Jan-13 09:31:35

Well I have weighed in and it wasn't pretty but I know that the Christmas gain will be off very soon.

thanks fadqueen, you're fine - they're doing their automatic calculations so that's ok (the totals won't be correct for future weeks yet, they sort themselves out when we weigh in for that week)


thank you everyone who's weighing in!

tiffany you're fine to weigh in tomorrow, some people do prefer to weigh later in the week (or aren't able to do so until later), so don't worry about that at all

I do a little round-up at the end of the week (from next week, as this week is just an initial weigh-in) where i work out who is the biggest loser, who is the biggest % loser, how much we've all lost in total etc. what i tend to do is that anyone who hasn't weighed in for two weeks gets moved to an archive list - they are not kicked out of boot camp by any means and can be easily reinstated on request, but it does skew the averages

Doshusallie Mon 07-Jan-13 09:56:04

as ever I am in awe of the spreadsheet magicians. I am not on it, but do take a sneaky peek at it's true marvellousness.

Am down to target weight this morning, (I only actually came off this WoE for one (Christmas) day, apart from a few crisps on NYE - in fact I rather wish I'd cheated a bit more tbh, feel a bit deprived sad, but then again you all seem to regret it a bit so........)

Had 2 hard boiled eggs and some cold roast pork for breakfast - cuppa decaf tea with a splash of milk, a decaf black coffee, and a pint of water with a Berocca.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 09:57:39

Glad to have you here, Doshusallie, as one of our maintainers! Proves that it can be done grin

Doshusallie Mon 07-Jan-13 09:59:32

Aw thanks BIWI!! grin grin grin grin

Doshusallie Mon 07-Jan-13 10:00:36

be interesting to see if I do go below target without the alcohol I usually pickle myself with.............

Just marking my spot .i will weig tomorrow but starting to day....again.Tx BIWI and Williewag....bacon and egg scoffed and coconut almond crust chicken tonight.....right put the iPad down and go do....

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 07-Jan-13 10:00:56


P.s some web sites that I find helpful are [[ www.thefoodieandthefamily.com]] and [[ www.easypaleo.com]]
paleo is similar isn't it?

cathyandclaire Mon 07-Jan-13 10:04:16

Well done Dosh! I'm up 4 after Xmas (rather more cheating than you though!) reckon it's half water/glycogen and half flab but two strict weeks should see it all off ...and hopefully a little moregrin

B: streaky bacon and fried mushrooms
Coffee with lacto-free milk
L: Leek frittata (all made and looking delish in the fridge)
S:Have bought Tesco belly pork with salt and black pepper (never cooked it before but thought I'd have a bash) with crispy Kale or maybe braised cabbage again (I'm slightly addicted)

Oops don't why it didnt link

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 07-Jan-13 10:04:55

Morning all!

Weighed in and on spreadsheet. Heaviest i have ever been, 12st 2lbs sad

Am up so up for shifting it!

Avocado & goats cheese for breakfast.

Nearly finished my first litre of water.

Right, I'm on the sheet. I sort of wish I had filled it in a few days ago rather than waiting to be 'official', as I've lost 4lbs since New Year's Day which will now go unrecorded smile Although am over the moon to be starting on a 12 st something rather than over 13, which was the heaviest I have ever ever been.

Greek yogurt for breakfast and have my packed lunch with me even though work is ordering pizza for us today - will stay strong!

Iamaslummymummy Mon 07-Jan-13 10:06:55

Day 7 for me. Its all going well. 158.4 starting weight. Still can't get my Head round the fact that it witness but it is. 154.2 this morning. Protein shake this morning as I've had as rough night health wise.

Dh is doing it with me. He's 4lbs down but hasbeen having meat balls from subway. They definitely have carbs in.

All in all though he has stopped smoking drinking and eating crap. Its amazing

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 10:10:46

Can I coconut milk in cooking? I want to make curry but don't want to make a Thai curry with cream as I don't think it will be nice.

TryBreatheTwinkleFly Mon 07-Jan-13 10:12:40

Just spotted that berocca's ok - phew, just had one and then felt guilty because it was sweet!

timidviper Mon 07-Jan-13 10:19:54

I put mine on on Fridays so started a couple of days ago as I like to know where I am up to before each weekend (most of my temptations to cheat are at weekends so I find it more motivating to check my weight in advance)

Am starting from 100 as I did last time and have put my original start weight as 125 to show how much I lost last time

Going out shopping for the day with DD so am hoping I can find something reasonable to eat, eating on the hoof in city centres is not always the easiest.

Morning! Im still loving spinach at the moment so I have just had that for breakfast grin after dropping the kids to school and doing the housework. I had a coffee first thing and Im on the water.

Im going to copy down that veg list so I can keep it in the kitchen and have a look at it when I need to.

Hope you all have a great day smile

manic4boys Mon 07-Jan-13 10:25:15

Please can someone add me to the spreadsheet as am sure to mess it up!
Started 4/1 @ 170lb
Target 146lb
Weigh in 7/1 166lb
Thank you

NoelHeadbands Mon 07-Jan-13 10:27:17

Morning all
TSar 5 here, strict Bootcamping, plenty of water, and ketones showing. AND NO WEIGHT LOSS.

Talk some sense into me please- I've done this before, I've talked quite a few people through it, but I can't seem to take my own advice and trust that this WOE will work!

Ok, I know it does work really, I'm just panicking

lottie63 Mon 07-Jan-13 10:28:24

Marking place. Went for run this am smile

NoelHeadbands Mon 07-Jan-13 10:28:55

TSar 5?

Panicky fingers- DAY 5 (no tsars here lol)

Ruprekt Mon 07-Jan-13 10:36:59

DH rang me to tell me he had FF plain yoghurt for breakfast and is about to have 2 poached eggs with mushrooms.

Bless him.

So, at my heaviest ever and so up for the WOE, I am 193lbs! sad (13st 7lb)

Can you put it in the spreadsheet please Willie. <Feels useless at not being able to do it!>>

Had a cup of tea with SS milk.
2 eggs with cheese

Am going to 80's aerobics tonight!!! BRing on the legwarmers!! grin

happygolucky0 Mon 07-Jan-13 10:39:15

Good morning all . I wasn't looking forward to getting on those scales this morning I can tell ya. Ok So it is into reality. I need to shred around 40lbs to get to a healthy bmi gosh I have got some work to do! Just goes to show what can happen when you take your eye off the ball for like .....8 yrs!!!
So it is onwards and upwards from now on and on those scales each week without fail! Hope i can do it and that you all do what you need to get where you want to be. <<<<<< off to drink lots of water!!! Have a good day!
Just want to say big thank you to the people who have been working hard to keep this thread in such great order. Great spread sheet and info. Thanks

frenchfries22 Mon 07-Jan-13 10:43:37

Morning or evening i should say from here. I weighed yesterday and was so pleased to have lost 6lbs since Wednesday trying to believe it! Given me great motivation to continue and after refusing chocolate fudge cake with 15 slices sitting on my desk i feel a changed woman already!!! Haven't been organised and thought about dinner so omlette and salad it is and ingredients on the list for more delicious soup making tomorrow!

lottie63 Mon 07-Jan-13 10:44:50

How can I test for ketones?

Ruprekt Mon 07-Jan-13 10:47:20

Boots do the sticks apparantly.

I used to love peeing on a stick to check for pre-eclampsia!!

Hi, I need to join you!

any ideas on main meals please?

am a carb-oholic and need help!

Ruprekt Mon 07-Jan-13 10:51:59

There is a whole thread on menus for low carbing.

Am sure someone can find the link somewhere!

Ah thankyou I'll look.

I really need to kick my ass into gear.

My youngest is 19 months now and I started out at 13st 7lbs a few months after he was born and got to 12 stone ... think im a few lbs heavier now after xmas sad but ive been trying minimally for all that time to loose and am just not comitting and getting so down sad

I'm just sick of it now,

I want to be 10 stone.

EwanHoozami Mon 07-Jan-13 10:55:58

skandi1 I use coconut milk quite a lot, it's about 3g/100ml

(coconut cream is more carby, IIRC)

Coconut seems to be one of the secret weapons of LC'ing, I've yet to try cooking with coconut flour or oil but it's on my to-do list.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 07-Jan-13 10:56:01

Hi please add me to the spreadsheet as phone is misbehaving today.

Weighed in this morning at 10st 1lb so not good but not as awful as I expected. Just been to stay with friends and despite explaining lc to them before we went, every meal was lovingly cooked and choc full of pasta etc and cake/biscuits etc forced upon us at every opportunity. Just went with it as didn't want to upset them but paying the price now.

No food in house except Brie so that was breakfast. Just trying to down my first litre of water. No idea what tea will be but lunch will prob have to be more brie.

EwanHoozami Mon 07-Jan-13 10:58:08

no idea why you turned into a link blush

EwanHoozami Mon 07-Jan-13 11:02:10

Noel do you feel like you've lost? A bit less bloated? I remember seeing results on the tum before I saw them on the scales. It'll come! Not everyone loses at the same rate. It works, I promise.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:03:13

<bursts onto thread>

Hi everyone! Had some plain yoghurt with a small handful of blueberries; was reading wrong thread and thought that was ok, but it won't kill me as am doing Insanity workout circuit with friend at lunchtime.

Have chicken salad for lunch (no dressing because I don't really like it that much. Is that ok?)

Chicken with pesto and green beans for tea. That's a good enough menu, right?

Shocked at how much plain yoghurt filled me up. I was conviced I was doing it all wrong, actually googled brand to check sugar contents etc again because I was so convinced. Hmm.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:04:54

Haven't been organised and thought about dinner so omlette and salad

If you have an omlette, can you fill it with cheese? Would that be alright? <unsure, needy> grin

GrandmaHasTheMoozles Mon 07-Jan-13 11:07:30

Hi - can I join in too?

I have never lost any weight ever and have not managed to maintain any diet longer than 2 days.

My weight has been steadily creeping up and I am now a hefty 122 lb.

So probably the largest person on this bootcamp.

I am just so unfit now - walking is becoming an effort and as I approach 50 the possibility of being disabled prematurely because of my weight is looming on the horizon.

So I have to do something.


slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:10:08

Also, I have some fish in my freezer (smoked haddock and cod), what can I do with that? I had initially bought them with plans of a fish gratin over Christmas, but it never got used and is still in my freezer waiting to be used. thanks

mumat39 Mon 07-Jan-13 11:11:59

Morning everyone.

I watched that video and shock

How awful that we've been given advice that had no sound basis in anything scientific at all!!!

I remember reading about the fact that big pharma and the food industry are the ones who fund training for alot of dieticians so it makes me wonder whether they've actually also been spun a line and it's scary that people who work in the medical profession where most things are science and anatomy based haven't actually questioned the advice themselves. I feel really vey angry about it. I guess this thread is about taking control back.

Sorry for the rant!

BIWI, should I weigh myself again this morning? This is day 3 for me so entered the date and weight on the spreadsheet from the 5th. I'm assuming the next weigh in is the 14th after today, so am I cheating by have a few days extra on this woe?

Thanks again, and GOOD LUCK everyone. May the loss be with us!


EwanHoozami Mon 07-Jan-13 11:12:51

I find it really inspiring when people post their food plans for the day (or what you've eaten if you won't know until later). I love reading about what people are eating <nosey>

As well as sharing ideas for meals, it can flag up if anything might not be bootcamp-friendly.

B: Lidl full-fat yog
L: Egg mayo salad
D: Sardine fishcakes (made with cauli not spuds!) s/w green beans

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 11:16:53

Ewan. Thank you. Very happy news on the coconut milk. Prawn curry on the menu for tomorrow night. I am going to try the cauliflower rice with it. smile

Willowisp Mon 07-Jan-13 11:17:54

WillieWaggledagger thank you !

I enjoy the camaraderie of spreadsheet & am hoping it helps DM keep on track..I'm waiting for her update & will be cross if I don't receive it today !

whats the best mayo to buy as the OP says some are carb-high?

And full fat youghurt - is that just plain fullfat yougurt? not the flavoured ones?

off to the shop soon to stock up smile

Bessie123 Mon 07-Jan-13 11:21:06

grandmahasthemoozles are you joking? You weigh 122 lb and you think you are overweight? Are you only 3 ft tall? I can guarantee you are not the heaviest person on the thread.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:22:29

ewan how are you making the fishcakes with cauliflower?

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 11:23:03

mumat39 - it's entirely up to you when you weigh/when you enter your weight on the spreadsheet! It's not a competition with other people, it's just a way for you to record what you have achieved.

slatternlymother - blueberries are definitely better than a banana grin Just not allowed for these first two weeks. But you're right, it shouldn't have done too much damage. Your menu looks fine, but please tell me that you are having plenty of fat with it? If you don't like salad dressing (how can you not love oil and vinegar?!) then use plenty of full fat mayonnaise. And with your evening meal, make sure you are adding butter to your beans.

And re fish - I love smoked haddock, poached, served on a bed of spinach (with lots of butter in it) and a poached egg. Perfect low carb food.

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 07-Jan-13 11:23:03

Morning all!! Do you like my January name change, in the spirit of LCing and I support of dosh and gless and everyone else in their dry January!

So, 155.4 lbs on the scales this morning, so up 3lbs over Xmas/ny and up 6 from my very very lowest weighin mark on 15 December, but not actually worried toomuch (see wot I did there) as I know it's mostly water - and it's still over a stone less than when I started LC in October!

Back on it like a car bonnet!! Lets go low!! thanks to biwi and willie

Can I have any fizzy drinks? I'm a bit addicted to pepsi max blush

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:24:19

tom I thought full fat mayo was fine confused

Also, I bought the Alpro Soya plain yoghurt; no low fat written on it or anything. It was the only plain yoghurt I could find.

GrownupGoth Mon 07-Jan-13 11:24:29

Hi! Just to repeat from the other thread! ( Ta Biwi)

Gosh the thread moves quickly!

Ok weigh in this morning - 12 stone 6.... 11 pounds on since the beginning of December <shock> Carbs hate me. I am disgusted with myself letting it go that far.

I want to finish up around ten and a half stone, I'm 5 foot 8, so two stone.

Can someone add my weight to the speeadsheet please?

it says check the carb count on your mayo? so i thought some may be better than others?

Wilding Mon 07-Jan-13 11:25:50

Ditto ( & thanks to biwi ditto!)

Weighed in this morning - 11 stone 2, pretty much the heaviest I've ever been. Have put on nearly a stone since the summer . I would really like to get back to my 'fighting' weight of 9 stone 7 (can't believe I used to think that was fat when I was younger, it seems impossibly slim now!)

Really looking forwards to this diet though - after being properly vegetarian for years I have started eating a bit of fish again after reading Briffa's book. Am feeling a bit guilty about it but hoping the health benefits will make up for it!

Greek yoghurt for breakfast (with blueberries, didn't realise about the fruit thing but won't buy any more after these are used up)
Lunch - smoked salmon with green salad & avocado
Dinner - omelette & buttered green veg with a tiny sprinkling of feta

ah well ewan in that spirit:

breakfast: scrambled eggs with butter and parsley

lunch: tuna mayonnaise (tinned tuna in olive oil; full fat hellman's) with cucumber and lettuce

supper: moussaka (idiot-proof diet recipe more or less, i cook it quite frequently so don't look at the recipe any more so i have probably simplified it) with salad (dressed with olive oil, white wine vinegar and dijon mustard vinaigrette)

about 3.5L water

Doshusallie Mon 07-Jan-13 11:26:38

Tom - I use Hellmans full fat mayo. Yes, plain full fat greek yoghurt, Lidl's is great, or Total full fat. Flavour with vanilla essence if you like.

Slatternly could make a fish pie with a swede or celeriac topping?

Stylelostinlabour Mon 07-Jan-13 11:26:57

Running in to say morning everyone.

Day 5 for me and realised over the weekend i haven't been drinking enough water as haven't lost or poo'd (sorry for the over sharing...) since Friday.

Back into to work today so drinking it easier.

B Greek Yoghurt, Babybel
L Roast Chicken, Cucumber and Celery, Babybel
S Two boiled eggs

D Hahairy bikers skinny lasagna with onions swopped for shallots and lowest carb tomatotoes and no wine and swopped the cheese sauce for Lo Carb version

hopefully this is OK?

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:27:48

Oh, BIWI someone wrote on another thread that balsamic vingegar is bad, so I thought 'bugger it, it's a minefield, I'll not bother' and left it blush I will get DH to pick up some full fat mayo though; Helmanns regular mayo is good, right? I'll definately do the beans tonight in butter though.

Oh, another thing. You know those Maggi 'So Juicy' shake and bake type things that you put with chicken etc? Can I have those? Or am I best to avoid?

TooMuchWaternotWine very inspiring name change smile

Awesome thanks so much smile

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 11:28:37

Morning loosers,

I have weighed in at 9st 7lbsblush so annoyed with myself as was 8st 10lb before Christmas, think I must have ate body weight in junk food.
Sloshing well already and just had bacon and eggs for brunch.

Good luck everyone and its great to see so many new people as well as the what I now like to call 'Lifers' grin

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:29:51

dosh yes, that's a fab idea.


<runs around in circles>

I don't know if I want to weigh in sad

i was 12stone 2 before xmas, im too scared,

i might just not weigh. just do this and see in a months time whats going down on the scales?

Willowisp Mon 07-Jan-13 11:30:28

I tried having 1/2 avocado with some creme fraiche for breakfast & it was vile...too dry for my liking. I've been doing this since October so have fiddled around to something that suits me, keeps my energy up & allows me to have a good roast dinner + pudding on a Sunday.

Its not allowed on bootcamp, I think it's ok for light ? Anyway, I make the dukan galette for my brekkie. It keeps me full until gone lunchtime & stops me thinking of food.

The galette has some carbs, but is a great source of fibre & apparently the oatbran, just sort of clears you out so you (I) don't get constipated.

For tea I'm having soup as on Mondays I usually do a 'fast' the one that's 500's a day.

The rest of the week I have the same brekkie, then a babybel for a snack, salmond/fish/last nights protein leftovers + low carb veg.

Then whatever I make for the family, but substitute rice/pasta for cauliflower 'rice', mashed swede (with butter/cream), usually throw in 1/2 avocado.

Have bought the India Knight book & am starting to cook a few of her recipes.

Once you get through the pain of low carb, as others said, you workout what suits you & then of course it makes it easier to stick to.

I had a moment last week where I felt it would be nice to have a massive scoff of chocolate..well it wasn't nice at all ! I literally couldn't be bothered !

I've got keto sticks, but, being so lazy, I can never be bothered to use them & as BIWI says, they don't always work, so you can get a bit disillusioned.

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 11:30:57

Tom No to fizzy drinks.

i think i have done everything to the spreadsheet that people have asked for so far but let me know if i've missed anything

right, back to work!

GrandmaHasTheMoozles Mon 07-Jan-13 11:32:08

That should have said 222lb! And I am 5'2" and a size 20.

What an embarressing typo!

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 11:32:26

Willie the spreadsheet looks fab, well done and a massive thankyou thanks

JustinMumsnot Mon 07-Jan-13 11:32:53

OH MY FREAKING GOD. I put back 12lb over two weeks of wildly undisciplined eating over Christmas. 12lb!!!! All that hard work gone in a fortnight. Right, onward and upwards. Ladies, I am never dropping off the wagon again. It's my birthday in 7 weeks - I will lose it all by then - and a bit more!

Willowisp Mon 07-Jan-13 11:33:03

slatternlymother you just need to look at the back of the pack & as I tell DM, if it's more than 5g carb per 100g, keep away.

If you want flavour use chillies/coriander/cajun spice.

JustinMumsnot Mon 07-Jan-13 11:35:01

Thanks so much Willie for doing all this for us. The spreadsheet is a marvel.
Welcome to all the new bootcampers. BIWI has been such an inspiration to me over the last few months. I will be wearing a size 10 bikini this August - no more dropping off the wagon for me.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:35:07

tom I need to weigh in too love. Come on, hold my hand and we'll both do it tonight. I'm going to be about 12st 12lbs ish I think, I was 12st 2lbs before Christmas as well. It's nothing to be ashamed of you know, it's hardly your fault the medical profession have been pointing us all in the wrong direction with the whole time is it? <holds hand>

EwanHoozami Mon 07-Jan-13 11:35:41

slatternly I cook the cauli in the microwave without water and then mash it with some double cream. This is a pretty good substitute for the mashed potatoes in fish cakes as it isn't as watery as cauli that's been boiled and mashed. They're still a bit looser than standard fishcakes but taste pretty good.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:37:09

Thankyou Willow, I will check tonight. I think it's all just herbs and spices, but it's worth knowing.

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 07-Jan-13 11:37:46

<slosh, slosh, waddle, slosh>

Ruprekt Mon 07-Jan-13 11:37:58

Just bumping a little

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 11:39:44

ewan I don't have a microwave, but I suppose it could bake it in the oven and then mash and the results would be similar?

Thankyou so much to everyone who's helping me btw, I'm sure I must be wearing your patience with all these innane questions!

mumat39 Mon 07-Jan-13 11:40:19

Thanks BIWI. I'm not actually thinking of tis as a competition. Just wanted to make sure I'm doing this properly. smile

Willie, is there anyway of freezing the frames like in excel? I am like a goldfish and even tough I try and remember which column I should use, I still forget by the time I get to my row. Thanks again for all your amazing spreadsheeting.


FallingOver Mon 07-Jan-13 11:40:41

Thanks to Willie for a fantastic job on the spreadsheet.

I weighed in this morning at 128lbs, and am hoping to lose about half a stone or so to get me back to what I consider my fighting weight, and do it without starving myself after a year of v difficult food issues. I'm going for my first session with my local running club this evening, have signed up for a Pilates class, so will hopefully be toned as well as slim!

My pre-bootcamp attempts failed miserably yesterday, as I had to stay up v late for a deadline and fuelled myself till 3am with sugary crap. Feel v sluggish, bloated and with tummy ache this morning so I'm looking forward to cutting all that gunk out.

B - herbal tea, and currently drinking black coffee.
L - leftover courgette and mushroom frittata
D - smoked salmon salad.

mumat39 Mon 07-Jan-13 11:41:03

Ewan, is it Kara milk you use? Or a different one? I'm wondering if I could use Kara?


mumat39 the column headings and names down the side should be frozen - do they not appear that way for you? you enter your weight in column C if that helps

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 07-Jan-13 11:45:24

Babybel now do a Goats Cheese one, each one only has a trace of carbs grin

They are lovely!

mumat39 Mon 07-Jan-13 11:47:12

Thanks Willie. Frames not freezing for me but am on an ipad so maybe that's the problem..

Column c, column c, column c. I really am like dory in Finding Nemo. Maybe I should make up a song about column c. Thanks so much, again. xxx

NoelHeadbands Mon 07-Jan-13 11:51:27

Ewan thank you for your calming words. You're right, I do feel slimmer- in fact I feel fantastic (apart from when walking up stairs. Then I feel knacked) so I'm sure I'll see the scales move soon thanks

Ruprekt Mon 07-Jan-13 11:57:08

Almond Milk

0.2g of carbs per 100ml!!!!!!!

Can I have it? Tastes fine in coffee!

<Fingers crossed>

Right, can anyone recommend ANYTHING to rid me of the freakish metallic dry mouth thing??? longs for an extra strong mint

Biscuit357 Mon 07-Jan-13 12:08:10

I put this on the other thread and then realised most people were over here (wrong room at a party syndrome!)

Here you go:
I've inputted my weight and realised I'm one of the heaviest on there - eek! Good motivation though. It's amazing how delusional you can be about your weight - a size 18 and 16 stone is not 'curvey' it's fat!

Anyhoo, as mentioned before I have lost a lot of weight on low carb before so I thought I would share some things that have worked well for me in the past (and will hopefully again!)

- "Black Farmer" products are excellent - sausages, burgers etc. All v.low carb because they aren't filled with a load of rubbish. Good to keep cold sausages in the fridge for breakfast on the run (dipped in english mustard!)

- Birds Eye Simply Baked to Perfection range is very good to keep in the freezer for when you have forgotten to shop. Not the sweet chilli prawns though (obviously) although they are delicious.

- If nobody has said it already - courgettes are excellent as a pasta substitute. Just ribbon them with a potato peeler (stop when you reach the seeds as they are too watery) and saute briefly. Not to cook, just to take the rawness of them. I often cooks lardons for a bit, add the courgette, cook a bit longer and then a dash of cream until reduced. Finish with Parmesan. Kind of like carbonara.

- Again, if nobody has said it already, cauliflower mash. Sounds disgusting, tastes great. Especially as on this 'diet' you can put a huge amount of butter in it! Once you've boiled and drained cauliflower, make sure you put back on heat for a bit to make sure it's really dry otherwise the mash is a bit watery. Nice for a shepherds pie topping.

- It sounds obvious, but when you are out for supper make sure you ask them to replace chips (or whatever) with green beans etc. Don't ask for them as a side dish as you'll get charged for them! (Took me ages to work that out - doh!)

- If you are stuck out, sandwich fillers are often your best option. If you have an M&S near you try their prawn cocktail (full fat, obviously) its gorgeous and v.filling.

WOW...sorry, longer than intended. Hope this helps people!

troyandabedinthemorning Mon 07-Jan-13 12:08:15

Hi all,
Have weighed in this morning- put on a stone (a stone! sad ) over christmas. So I have so much to loose that I'm not even trying to think about it. One day at a time, right?

I followed this WoE while I was pregnant (I had gestational diabetes) and it worked very well for me, I lost about 2 stone, but then I stopped and put all the weight back on again and more- breastfeeding makes me crave cake!

I think I need the motivation of a group to keep going- this will hopefully be the first of many boot camps for me til I get to a healthy weight. And a spreadsheet- I love a graph grin

Today I've had a garlic spinach and eggs for breakfast (yummy), cauliflower bacon soup is coming up for lunch.

Was feeling very hungry at 11 but had a slice of naice ham which helped. I've got a stinking cold so had a lemsip half and hour ago, which I now realise was probably a mistake- it'll be full of sugar won't it.

Did the weeks shopping today- it can be done on a budget, I got everything for £59 at waitrose for 2 adults and 2 toddlers - although I will need to buy milk for the toddlers and am using rice and pasta from the cupboard for them.

Spamspamspam Mon 07-Jan-13 12:08:37

Noel - don't panic!! I am in the same boat - no alcohol for 6 days (which is saying something for me!) strict low carb, loads of water, walking 4-5 miles a day and 1lb lost. However it does sometimes go like this so please don't worry I am not smile. I lost two stone 2 years ago and distinctly remember losing nothing in the first week and then it all dropped off grin I kept if off apart from last summer I put on about 6 lbs, restarted in September and lost the 6lbs in the first week shock. I put on that 6lbs and another 2 or 3 between Beginning of December to end December and this time round only a 1lb loss in the first week - there are no set rules for this...it's the way it goes sometimes. Stay with me and I bet we have a good loss next week!

OTTMummA Mon 07-Jan-13 12:09:07

ugh, just weighed in since beginning of december and have put on 2lbs over xmas, not too bad considering how much wine and chocolate i have put away, but still :S
I had a 2 egg omlette with butter and a sprinkle of cheddar for breakfast.
Lunch is braised cabbage leftovers and chicken salad.
Dinner is Tuna and boiled egg salad with mustard dressing.

I roasted the chicken yesterday and poured all the fat from the tin into a cup and then into the fridge, i remember my nan used to do this with beef and then eat the dripping or use the fat to cook with, can i do this with the chicken fat? or would that just be minging grin

Biscuit357 Mon 07-Jan-13 12:09:59

Oh, also, look for fish pates when you are out. Sounds gross but tuna pate in waitrose (for example) is just tuna, may, horseradish and lemon juice. Much nice than the sandwich filler.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 12:11:14

TomHardysPinky watch this about Pepsi Max

On Bootcamp, no artificial sweeteners, because we are aiming to eat 'clean', natural and unprocessed foods. There is also some evidence that they interfere with weight loss - as discussed in the blog.

GibbsGirl Mon 07-Jan-13 12:14:30

Like Ewan I'm also loving everyones food plans

B - Spinach Omlette, with mushrooms & a couple of baby tomatoes
L - Salad, avocado, leaves & whatever I can find in the fridge with mayo
D - Salmon pieces are out and defrosting and thinking soy, ginger, chilli with buttered spinach but can I have soy? Otherwise salmon & coconut milk curry with green beans if that's OK?

Would welcome any help with dinner!

Troy - I've got an 'orrible cold too - started last night. Luckily I read the Lemsip pack before taking any - 'contains sucrose' ie sugar - so am surviving on plain paracetemol until tomorrow's Tesco order arrives, with some decongestant pills in it.

Planning on something with loads of chilli in it for dinner - probably a spicy chicken paprika. Can't taste much else!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 12:19:23

littlemisstan - that awful taste is a really good sign - it means you are in ketosis, therefore you are now burning fat rather than carbs! Drink plenty of water. If it still persists, get some sugar-free mints or chewing gum. They're not ideal, given their artificial ingredients, but should only be needed for a short period of time.

troyandabedinthemorning Mon 07-Jan-13 12:20:25

The annoying thing is we have decongestant pills- I just thought if I had lemsip it'd help with the huge amount of water I have to drink- doh!

Ruprekt Mon 07-Jan-13 12:20:48
BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 12:21:46

HiDeHi Campers!

Day 3 going very well so far, am about 2 litres down already! (Im another who has to glug over 4litres of water a day sad )

Looks like everyone has made a great start grin

Breakfast was 2 eggs, 2 bacon & a large mushroom, with mayo

Lunch is going to be a pork chop with creamy garlic mushrooms

Dinner tonigt is low carb sausages (found some in Lidl that are 1.5 carbs per 100g, thats ok?) and braised cabbage (yum, my favourite!)

I'd also like to know if almond milk is ok to have?

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 12:23:03

Gibbs, you can have a small amount of soy sauce I think. Id go for teh coconut curry & green beans though, sounds delicious!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 12:23:04

GibbsGirl - you can have soy, but be careful as it does have carbs in it, and they vary enormously according to which brand you're using.. Amoy Light Soy sauce (light in colour/flavour rather than being low fat!) has 10.5g carbs per 100ml.

Amoy Dark has 25.6g per 100mL shock

GibbsGirl Mon 07-Jan-13 12:23:48

Great link thanks Ruprekt

Thanks BIWI - good to know it's positive, I had thought it might be! Probably not helping myself by wolfing down Mr Stan's homemade coleslaw with it's raw cabbage and a bit of onion, but there we go. Good to know I can resort to something minty if my colleagues start avoiding me smile

Ooops - just remembered that I need to add my weight to the spreadsheet!

I'll note down my food so far whilst I'm here

B: 2 Debbie&Andrews pork sausages, some Greek yog & 2 slices of Gouda
L: Curried cauliflower soup (from the recipe thread
D: Will be smoked haddock, cauliflower, brocoli, leeks & cabbage

Good luck everyone smile

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 12:33:08

BlackAffronted - Alpro almond milk - 3g carbs per 100ml, compared with 5g carbs per 100ml for Sainsbury's semi-skimmed milk, so looks OK to me!

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 12:35:30

Thanks biwi!

GibbsGirl Mon 07-Jan-13 12:36:29

Wow - thanks BIWI and thanks BlackAffronted - think that might also be the safer option!

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 12:37:01

Wow this is such a busy thread, we*(BIWI'S LOW CARB ARMY)* will be taking over the nation soonwink

Boobz Mon 07-Jan-13 12:37:03

Isn't it exciting to start a brand new thread with everyone being so excited and determined! I love it! Such good energy <hippy>.

Right, I weighed in at 113lbs this morning, which I believe is what I have plateaued at for the past few weeks. Willi - is there any chance you can add my "old" details in columns D, E and F? I've tried doing it myself but it doesn't seem to be working. I started on Oct 1st at 129.6 - thanks!

Like Dosh, I only took a couple of days off over Christmas (the day itself and Boxing Day) but would still like to lose these last 3 pesky lbs to get down to target of 110 (I am short).

Good luck everyone!

AuntieMaggie Mon 07-Jan-13 12:37:16

Just marking my place....

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 12:37:43

Wow this is such a busy thread, we*BIWI'S LOW CARB ARMY* will be taking over the nation soonwink

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 12:39:00

sorry phone appears to be acting uphmm

NoelHeadbands Mon 07-Jan-13 12:40:55

<clings to Spamspam>

Thank you thanks

Doshusallie Mon 07-Jan-13 12:45:28

PMSL at Mumat39 being Dory from Finding Nemo with a column C song. I can see a name change coming on Mum. grin

Lunch = fridge contents on a plate. Coleslaw, raw mushrooms, an obscenely large chunk of stilton, cucumber, boiled egg, pate. Yum.

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 07-Jan-13 12:47:25

Just watched biwi video link to the Dr Eenfeldt lecture on YouTube, it is really inspiring. I may try to get DH to watch it, as he keeps "joking" about me being slimmer but having a heart attack instead hmm

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 12:47:46

NoelHeadbands LOL at Tsars! Maybe we should have a LC Tsar?! grin

You've done this before. You know it works. And if you're producing ketones, then you are burning fat.

Don't panic!

Have you taken your measurements as well as getting on the scales? It is a funny thing how our measurements can change even though the scales don't, sometimes.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 07-Jan-13 12:50:58

Am I on the right thread hmm


Bought the stuff to make some of the soups of the recipe thread. I shall give one of those a whirl.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 12:53:49

Yes, a big thank you to whoever linked to that video in the first place. Sorry I can't remember who it was blush but there are so many of us!

TomHardysPinky I really, really, really think that should be brave and get on to the scales. Otherwise you won't have any idea of how brilliantly you will have done, when you weigh next Monday!

Seriously - not weighing is a form of denial, and allows you to be less committed to the process.

You don't have to tell us what it is.

Gwan ... grin

Ilovemyteddy Mon 07-Jan-13 12:55:31

Afternoon all

4lbs up at Xmas but 2lbs shifted last week. Only 9lbs to go to reach the target I set myself 51 weeks ago grin

Biscuit there is a recipe for tuna pate on the recipe thread which haas exactly the same ingredients as the Waitrose one you described, but is obviously cheaper to make yourself.

I don't usually post my meals but:
Breakfast - ham and cheese
Lunch - homemade cauliflour cheese (which was bloody gorgeous)
Dinner - chicken salad with a huge dollop of mayo

Sainsbo's have Young's white fish fillets for £3 instead of £6 in the freezer cabinet.

WRT the discussion at the beginning of this thread about the video - I haven't watched it yet because I am at work, but I am convinced that sugar is the real culprit in the obesity crisis because it is so bloody addictive. Over Christmas I had the occasional roastie or piece of bread and was fine. Once I started on the cake/chocs I was ready to eat my own hand off after about half an hour!!

Sugar is evil. FACT grin

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Mon 07-Jan-13 12:56:59

Scrambled eggs and smoked salmon for lunch smile

Have drunk 2 litres of water already!

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 12:58:51

Blimey, it's crowded in here! grin

I've been thinking a lot about the psychology of eating and dieting as there are such powerful emotional associations with food for so many people that will affect how we get on with any WOE. I'm trying to untangle some of the emotions from my eating and understand what's going on for me.

Anyhoo, this has struck a chord with me:

learning how to think, "oh well..." and move on.

As in, I'd really like some pasta, "oh well..."

or I'm craving chocolate, "oh well..."

Allowing myself to experience that regret at not being able to have something, but then moving, on instead of dwelling/obsessing on it or thinking "SOD IT! I'll have it anyway!"

What I'm learning is that cravings pass. And even hunger pangs come and go, so if I can't get some suitable food (which I can't when at uni it's just AWFUL for catering and I'm not spending £2.50 to eat a slice of ham out of a shit sandwich!) then I'll live if I have to wait until I get home.

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 13:02:10

oh and

B: chicken breast and mayo and salt. SOMEBODY ate all the eggs! shock
L: chorizo and leaves
D: have got a lamb stew slow cooking in the oven, served with green beans and kale.

and writing that, I've just realised I sloshed a load of red wine into the stew without thinking. DOH!

Wow so many of us! Just had a huge ham salad for lunch, burger and cheesy leeks for dinner - yum!

Lastyearsmodel Mon 07-Jan-13 13:08:28

So... DP took the scales to weigh a big parcel and he can't sodding find them. I am quite cross <understatement> because I sort of started last week but can't tell if I'm losing! Will get on to him about it tonight. Shy about telling people I'm doing anything about my weight, so feel uncomfortable going on about the scales. Daft, I know. I shall take measurements later so at least I can have something to go on. Have entered weight as 100 for now.

Never low-carbed before so this is a HUGE learning curve for me. I am very reliant on carbs and emotional eating has been making me miserable so I spent last week avoiding the carbs I knew about and trying some of the recipes. Also learning how to cook for the family and not trip up. And ignoring urge to eat something sweet after every savoury thing.

So far, I had a headache on the 2nd day, don't think I've had carb flu or bad breath, but that could be because I've slipped up a few times on my trial run week. Does, for example, a slice of toast take you out of ketosis and bugger everything up?

Have been focussing on just avoiding carbs and eating protein and fat and low carb vegetables. Should I pay attention to portion sizes or just eat when I'm hungry until I'm full?

My appetite has been a lot more stable, as, I think, has my mood (difficult to be certain).

And what can I add to the Total Greek yoghurt? Just that bit too plain for me without honey...

prettybird Mon 07-Jan-13 13:09:06

Have just added my weight to the Spreadsheet of My Shame Fabulousness blush

I then scurried off to drink some more water, realising I was in the higher category of water consumption.

Just about to have some lunch. Smoked Salmon and Avocado with some salad on the side. Then I'll make dinner: a low carb shepherd's pie, using cauliflower and turnip and egg for the "mash".

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 07-Jan-13 13:09:47

Actually feel like picketing my local Weight Watchers now with placards saying "join us!! Low carb works!!"

I cant keep away from this thread smile you're all really helping me so thank you. Before Id always low carbed by myself but knowing that all you lot are doing it alongside me is really helpful and encouraging.

We had a roast chicken yesterday so this morning I simmered the remains of that for a couple of hours, and Ive just finished making it into a stew. There are carrots in it but I figured I can dish mine up without any. Kids and dh will have bread and butter with theirs, I may have a little something after if Im still peckish.

Right now the thought of meal planning incorporating everything in is really daunting. You all sound like such accomplished cooks! I need to come up with a load of ideas that will get me and my family through the week, as often Id have something different instead as this was easier (though got boring and unfulfilling) and this is where Id lose heart and give up. I'll have to have a proper go through the recipe thread when I feel more capable of being able to do it. confused

<swigs water>

<goes for a wee>

TooImmatureMincePies Mon 07-Jan-13 13:15:17

<marks place>

At work and there is an unbelievable amount of confectionary lying around the place - think whole tins of biscuits. Have remained strong so far apart from a bit of semi-skimmed milk in a cup of tea, but only one!

Forgot to mention - my arms are really shaky today, whats that all about? Feels very similar to that tingly feeling Id get during a panic attack, if anyone is familiar with that.

TinTinsSexySister Mon 07-Jan-13 13:21:16

Weighed this morning and I put on 5lbs over Christmas and New Year shock

So, day one here and so far, so good. I wasn't hungry at breakfast time but had a babybel and some cucumber. Lunch was two hard boiled eggs mashed with butter and a pile of spinach. Dinner will be IPD beef stew with swede mash I think.

1.5 litres of water in, 1.5 to go...

NellVarnish Mon 07-Jan-13 13:23:41

Just checking in (175 posts already! I will never keep up!).

shock at hazchem's SPIDER! Now I certainly will NOT be tempted by them.

Went to Sainsburys this morning and stocked up for the week ahead - recipes on here sound great. Going back to read thread properly now as I espied biscuit's courgette carbonara and other delish things.

Hope everyone's doing ok. smile

Lavenderhoney Mon 07-Jan-13 13:24:35

I've only had water all day today. I have a headache since lunchtime and I felt so exhausted from a few hours today. I usually only have one weak Nescafé surely it can't be coffee comedown?

Breakfast - mushrooms, fried egg, one rasher bacon
Lunch - leeks and mushrooms pan sauted in butter
Supper- lamb chops, cabbage.
Snacks- few olives, 2 cherry tomatoes.

Does this look ok? I am so tired, is the normal? I'm not hungry though, all the water I expectsmile

Lastyearsmodel - a slice of toast could take you out of ketosis, yes. There's a difference between 'sins' on a low fat/low cal diet and a low carb one. Think of it this way (not my analogy, but one I read somewhere) - it takes a few days for your body to switch from burning glucose to burning fat for energy (the side product of which is ketones). Putting easily-accessible glucose (ie simple carbs) back into your body reverses this process, and it will take another few days of low carbing to get back into ketosis.

You can imagine this as a walk through the desert, over sand dunes. It takes a lot of effort to climb up to the ridge of a dune but staying up there is fairly easy-going. If you slip... well, it'll take you a while to climb back to the ridge again.

The advantage of being in ketosis, other than more rapid fat burning, is that it also acts to reduce your appetite, so that you lose your cravings, and find you're satisfied with smaller portions. If you eat simple carbs, you lose his advantage, and it makes the entire process that much harder. This is what stops me whenever I'm tempted to deviate - I need all the metabolic help I can get, since I have the willpower of a gnat.

Lavender - that sounds like 'induction flu' to me - and it's perfectly normal (a good sign, even!). It's the way you feel when your body is switching to fat-burning mode - and it only lasts a few days, after which many people report a surge in energy levels and sense of well being. Drinking 'broth' (as the Americans call it) - which could be Bovril, Oxo, Knorr stock cubes etc. in hot water - is supposed to help. I just take a paracetemol or two for the headache, and put up with the yucky feelings because I know they WILL pass. Hope you feel better soon!

Suttyshotty Mon 07-Jan-13 13:36:50

Day one and doing well so far, bacon and mushroom omelette for breakfast and tuna salad for lunch, and water, water, water!!!

Xenia Mon 07-Jan-13 13:38:51

I'm very encouraged that people are eating like this as I've been saying for years this is the way to eat and yet a lot of diabetes and NHS advice and even sports' teachers advice is very different. Paleohacks is quite a good site too. We ate like this for 2 million years until about 10,000 years ago we settled down in the Neolithic phase to agriculture, wheat etc. Apparently our height dropped 4 inches at that stage.

Obviously the last 40 years of processed foods have been even worse as well.

cathyandclaire Mon 07-Jan-13 13:41:55

Mmmmmm courgette carbonara, sounds gorgeous biscuit

On a bit of a side note I've been doing the household budget (dontcha just love it after Xmas?) and a bit of belt tightening is required! I've been spending STUPID amounts on food (ooohh that looks lovely in Waitrose...yummm I may try that in M&S.) New Years resolution is to be more careful (maybe then I can afford to buy some clothes that fit my low-carb body grin)

2+ adults and 2 teenage girls what's a reasonable weekly supermarket budget for a low-carber?

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 13:43:19

Hi all!

<tramps in, slams door, throws self on office chair>

That was a fucking epic workout. I might have nearly died. The Insanity Programme is punishing, but I feel much better for doing it. I feel like I'm sweating out some of the blueberries from this morning and putting myself back on the right track. But seriously though, my rolls of fat were awful. I mean, God. Where did they come from? I am a size 14 bottom and although I've been bigger, I am so ready to change. I'm somebody's Mum. I don't want to be the fat one at pickup sad

Smashing my way through this chicken salad. Slightly regretting my lack of dressing, but the chicken is from last night's roast so i imagine there's some fatty juices running through there. To bulk out the lettuce leaves, I've used raw spinach leaves. Sounds horrid, but they're actually really crunchy and nice and full of iron so they keep you strong, and a big bag is only about £1 and lasts ages.

Glugging the water down, I need 3L a day apparently. Should I add more for exercise? Can I still drink tea or coffee? I only have a dot of skimmed milk and I don't take sugar or sweetner.

TheSandstoneCat Mon 07-Jan-13 13:43:46

Hi all,
are we still underlining questions? smile I want to buy some ketostix but live abroad. I am being asked silly money to have them sent to Europe from the UK - are there any other low carbers overseas who have a European seller they can recommend? thanks.

coldethyl Mon 07-Jan-13 13:43:50

Right, well, I've just had lunch out with the children to mark the end of the hols - misjudged things a bit, was suddenly very hungry indeed and had no snacks in handbag. So, to put a positive spin on things, I've had:
minced beef, salad leaves, fried mushrooms and a bit of cheddar and mayo; oh and a coffee with cream.

Yes, alright, it was a bunless burger in Wimpy, but (processed nature of meat aside) I don't think it was TOO dreadful. I DID NOT eat any of the bun, have a sip of anyone's fizzy, or even think about a mouthful of the disgusting selection of ice-cream related puddings I allowed them to order. I am failing on the lower-carb children front (as indeed I am on the not to much screen -time front), but I stuck with it.

Off for more water, just in case.

Tonight - grilled salmon fillets, buttered spinach and broccoli and mayo (have checked carbs). Yum.

Collywibbles Mon 07-Jan-13 13:45:24

Please can you add me back onto the spreadsheet - I am in the Archive? I started in Oct and then have had no laptop for months so couldn't update. Got a shiny new one last week so am good to go! I was exactly 140lbs this morning. I do a lot of exercise and have got abs for the first time in my life! Bizarrely I have put on 3lbs but lost over 12 inches - go figure!

I have been LCing for over a year now but still eat too many nuts and don't drink enough water.....

B- scrambled egss
Snack - handful nuts (I KNOW but I was on the floor after exercise. I think I just need not to buy them then I can't eat them - must hardboil some eggs for snacks)
L - salmon / avocado / Cuc / mayo
Supper - TBC possibly M&S 97% pork sausages & cauli mash

Exercise - 5 mile run and boxercise class (very sweaty)

Good luck everyone - I am now going to catch up on threads - I may be some time!!

BillComptonstrousers Mon 07-Jan-13 13:51:30

Biscuit, I have just made your courgette carbonara, and it was FUCKING DELICIOUS! Garlic, streaky bacon, cream, courgettes and Parmesan. With an avocado side salad grin

BillComptonstrousers Mon 07-Jan-13 13:53:51

And another thing! Lunch at 1.30?? I'm normally clamming for something by 11.30am

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 13:56:19

is Helmann's mayonnaise low carb?

uberalice Mon 07-Jan-13 13:57:03

I'm joining. Will weigh myself tomorrow morning.

Biscuit357 Mon 07-Jan-13 13:58:17

Glad you like it!

I had it last night as a side dish to a salmon fillet and it was one of those moments (when looking at my husband's beige plate of breaded fish, baked potato and beans) where I wanted a naysayer to come in and judge who had the 'healthiest diet'.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 13:58:48

I know Bill, but I was working out over lunch so had to eat at my desk after. Besides, the plain yoghurt curiously enough filled me up this morning. I didn't even have to have an emergency cup of tea!

My teeth feel a bit odd, but I think that's the spinach and its funny texture. I'm HAVING to have chewing gum. Sorry, but I've given up fizzy drinks, cordial, sweetner, mints and fruit. The gum stays. <resolute>

mel3714 Mon 07-Jan-13 14:00:19

Hello Everyone, Im new here so thought Id say hello and ask a couple of questions if that's ok? Im getting married on the 3rd of May and am now desperate to lose some of this weight. I need to lose about 6 stone but have to be realistic and would settle for 3ish. I've got my dress but it doesn't fit yet! The thing is I suffer from low blood sugar which makes me feel rubbish most of the time and results in me constantly overeating. I've reduced carbs before with some success but never cut out fruit etc. My questions are what to eat for breakfast without fruit and if eggs make you feel sickly in the morning? Also what do you drink, I normally just drink tea with milk or squash, I find water really hard in large quantities. Hope you don't mind me joining in? Mel.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 14:00:35

<hands biscuit the health crown>

Arise, Queen of carb-lite-ness. Thou art holier than thou's (thine's? thee's?) husband, who eatest the breaded products. Eth.

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 14:01:22

slatternlymother Hellman's is 1.5g carb per 100g, which I think is fine. Some other mayos are much higher.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 14:03:01

Mel I had plain yoghurt this morning and that was delish. Other low carbers have had sausages, bacon, mushrooms etc in a kind of fry up quest. Cheese and ham? TBH I work FT (not that you could tell from the amount I'm posting) and I need something to grab and go in the mornings, so a dish of plain yoghurt is fab for me.

TooImmatureMincePies Mon 07-Jan-13 14:03:42

Right, have at least skimmed the thread now. Weighed in this morning at 139.25, so 1.25lb down since Saturday, hurray! Please can someone put me on the spreadsheet?

Was chatting to a friend today who I haven't seen in months. He's lost 33lbs doing Lighter Life, eating meal replacement shake things and lunching on Cup A Soups. He claims to be doing low-carb but really he's doing calorie restriction (600 cals a day, yikes!) and eating lots of processed crap. I pointed out that for lunch, he would be eating a Cup A Soup while I would be eating yummy fish pie with swede mash topping and cream sauce. He's still not convinced, though. I think the trouble is that he's been brainwashed by the Lighter Life folk. To be fair, he's losing 5-7 lbs a week rather than an average of 2, but at what cost? Plus, a friend of my mum's lost 4 stone on Lighter Life and promptly piled it all back on again when she went back to eating normally. I think the trouble is that things like Lighter Life don't teach people how to eat in a sustainable way, whereas I could carry on low-carbing for ever (with possibly the occasional cheat, but when I finally hit goal weight that won't matter so much).

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 14:04:10

Thanks Rooobs thanks

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 14:06:35

Plus, a friend of my mum's lost 4 stone on Lighter Life and promptly piled it all back on again when she went back to eating normally. I think the trouble is that things like Lighter Life don't teach people how to eat in a sustainable way

tooimmature that's your answer. It isn't sustainable for life. You're surely not meant to starve yourself? I mean, I want to be able to go to a resaurant and be able eat. I imagine he's had to cut more out of his life than just calories.

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 14:06:55


for no eggs breakfast, how about cold meats and a bit of cheese? For example, sliced ham rolled up with full fat philadelphia in the middle?

or leftovers from the night before (not for everyone, but I love it!)

or full fat natural yoghurt

or a protein shake (don't know how BIWI feel about this! IPD recommends them)

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 14:08:46

oh yes and bacon! you can put bacon in the oven for 10 mins ish so you don't have to stand there frying it if you're multi tasking!

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 14:10:29
PlatoonBuffoon Mon 07-Jan-13 14:13:16

Afternoon all. Just wanted to say well done to everyone and also to say how inspiring this thread is. I don't post a lot because I'm not very interesting but am doing lots of eavesdropping and you're all marvellous! Day 5 for my and 5 pounds down! Feeling fabulous.

<high fives entire thread> (could be here some time....)

cathyandclaire Mon 07-Jan-13 14:14:37

Mel this WOE is BRILLIANT for keeping your blood sugar stable (there's a video showing it somewhere...I'll try and find it) none of the horrible lows that you get with refined carbs and sugar smile
Once you're in the swing of things you'll feel so much better.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 14:16:20

<high fives platoon>

In M&S, you can buy crispy bacon rashers ready done from the chiller section. If I bought streaky bacon, fried it in butter and let it go cold, would the end result be the same? So I could smash them in for a quick breakfast on the go?

This moves so fast! I have come back because I would like all of you somebody to congratulate the fact that my whole office just had pizza delivered for lunch but I turned it down and stuck with my salad. And actually, it looked all brown and bleugh, and mine was all colourful and lovely (and had bacon and cheese in it anyway).

slatternly I did that yesterday, crisped up a pack of bacon and have so far had it chopped up in soup, with my salad at lunch and mixed with egg mayo, it was lovely and very near the M&S ones which I LOVE.

EldritchCleavage Mon 07-Jan-13 14:27:05

BIWI please add me to your spreadsheet.

I am 76kg (12 stone 1) down from 92 kg just after DD was born in late 2011. I've done low carb since the summer with success but fell off the wagon spectacularly when my father was diagnosed with incurable cancer in Dec. I need to get back on the wagon and down to about 69 kg, not least because I'm in the terrible badly-dressed limbo between maternity clothes and my normal wardrobe.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 14:27:11


<bursts in through office door in cheerleading outfit, waving flags and shaking pompoms>

Too far?

HumphreyCobbler Mon 07-Jan-13 14:27:21

Guy - you may need to up your salt/potassium intake? I generally need to when I start drinking lots of water. I use LoSalt, I pour some onto slices of cucumber and eat it. Rank I know, but you notice the difference straight away.

PlatoonBuffoon Mon 07-Jan-13 14:28:44

<double high fives littlemiss>

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 15:01:23

TooImmatureMincePies I have added your weight to spreadsheetsmile

Well done to those already a few days in and loosing weight, it is so motivatinggrin

Ilisten2theradio Mon 07-Jan-13 15:05:00

popped in to see what people are doing and was shocked a t how long this has grown already.
Have survived breakfast and lunch despite having to make cheese tosties for everyone else.
I have been reading everyones plans for dinner - thinking ooh that sounds nice but.... only to have to disguard lots as DS is allergic to eggs nuts fish and sesame. It makes cooking a bit limited. - Having said that after the DS's had their food at lunch I did have omlette and salad, but don't fancy cooking twice later.
I need some inspiration on what to cook with the chicken mini breast fillets I have.

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 07-Jan-13 15:06:06

<high fives platoon misstan and slatternly> ouch! <goes for lie down>

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 07-Jan-13 15:09:33

Radio There's a nice chicken curry recipe on the recipe thread, it's adapted from the IPD Butter chicken I think, I've done various versions of it dep what spices I have in. It's a good standby recipe for me now, I do rice for Ds and DH and just have a bigger bowlful of the curry for me! (Or maybe with some green veggies if I have some spare)

captainmummy Mon 07-Jan-13 15:10:05

Wow = lots of new people, very fast thread!

Those asking whther mayo/soya etc is low-carb - check the label, or google it. Anything with carbohydrates under 5g/100g is ok. Check ingredients. Anything ending in -ose will be a sweetener of some sort. (sucrose, glucose, lactose...)

Meant to advise mumat39 on the other thread regarding her roast chicken - what I do is season the chicken, stick half a lemon and garlic inside and the rest of the lemon chopped up around roasting dish. pour about 1 pint of water over, and roast. The water steams the meat and keeps it moist, and the resulting juices make the gravy. (add oxo cube and some cream and tomato puree)

Ds2 has cooking practise today, he is making Paellasadgrin He and ds3will have to eat it. I'm going to try the courgette carbonara!

guymartin - i never have been a great cook, never been that interested in trying to cook beyond making something that is reasonably edible, but this woe has had the knock-on effect of making me up my game cooking-wise. i now actively seek out interesting cuts of meat and alternative veg dishes. i am still happy to eat the same meal several times in a week, but i've found the confidence to try new things. i hated the fat on meat before, but have developed a taste for it - low carbing has definitely expanded my palate too

i use hellman's mayonnaise - there are others that are lower carb (e.g. delouis) but i eat quite a lot of lunches that are cold meat + mayo + salad and it wouldn't be affordable for me. hellman's is widely available and low carb enough for me

Afternoon all smile
New thread... Woo!

Im feelin sorry for myself today as not only have i been up most of the night with my chicken pokd child having nightmares ive got a cold and feel miserable... Booo!

Lunch was 3 eggs scrambled with butter
Dinner will be roast chicken with some roasted butternut (only a bit as its quite carby) some spinach, mangetout and some cabbage!

Heres hoping we all get on our way to reaching our targets in this bootcamp smile x

MissNJE Mon 07-Jan-13 15:16:09

What is a realistic goal to lose during the 10 week bootcamp? My start weight is 181.4lbs. Do you think 10-15lbs are realistic?

Ilisten2theradio Mon 07-Jan-13 15:18:32

toomuchwater personnally I would love the curry. I have aproblem with DS though as he won't eat anything spicy as the tingling feeling on your toungue from chilli or pepper is the same as you get from the beginning of an allergic reaction - such a pain. I have a feeling I may cook something with flavour and make him plain chicken at this rate.

Thanks all grin bows

MakeNoResolutions Mon 07-Jan-13 15:21:33

Oh wow, don't think I'll be able to keep up during the week <ponders leaving job for sake of bootcamp>! My first day went well, I weighed in this morning and had a little gain over Christmas but nothing that can't be undone in a week or so.

Jacaqueen Mon 07-Jan-13 15:24:53

My you lot like to chat!

I can definitely recommend bacon cooked in the oven. I put streaky bacon over the turkey crown at Christmas and it was the tastiest part of the meal.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 15:27:13

MissNJ I think that is realistic; I am aiming for similar smile

captainmummy Mon 07-Jan-13 15:28:16

Makeno - why can't you keep it up? Which meals are you struggling with?

NJE - 1 lb a week loss is realistic, I'd have thought. A good loss rate.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 15:32:46

MissNJE - obviously the amount you lose will depend on how well you stick to the plan! I would have thought, though, that 10lbs ought to be a minimum loss, as that's only 1lb per week.

Last Bootcamp we had one participant who lost over a stone in the first week! Obviously that's a bit extreme, but you can see a pretty significant loss, especially in the first couple of weeks. Weeks 3 and 4 can be more problematic, but after that, you can expect to lose 1-2lbs per week.

MissNJE Mon 07-Jan-13 15:33:52

Thanks for all the replies. I am so looking forward to the next ten weeks. Want to look good in summer.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 15:34:22

Eldritch - really sorry to hear about your dad sad

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 15:37:35

Jacaqueen So should I fry some bacon in the pan and then 'dry it out' sort of in the oven do you reckon?

<takes notes>

also, can anyone recommend good grazing snacks for the evening? On any other diet, I'd have made myself a big dish of fruit salad but I can't fall back on that now.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 15:38:45

eldritch I must have missed your post. That's a really difficult thing to have to deal with, I'm sorry for your troubles xx

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 15:41:27

slatternlymother - one if the great joys of this WOE is that you don't feel hungry. Because your blood sugar levels are stabilised, you simply don't get the same hormonal triggers telling you to eat. So you should find that you don't need to snack. You certainly ought to try not to plan to snack.

That said, snacking can be a difficult habit to break - and it is usually a habit that we're indulging. On a low carb diet, nuts/seeds are really good, but because they can get quite carby quite quickly they are not allowed in the first couple of weeks on Bootcamp. Other, more suitable snacks might be:

olives - virtually zero carbs
cucumber (try topping with pate or a bit of cream cheese)
hard boiled eggs
cold meats

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 15:42:35

captainmummy - I think Makeno meant that she couldn't keep up with the speed of the thread!

captainmummy Mon 07-Jan-13 15:48:45

oh that makes sense BIWI - i can't either!

Jacaqueen Mon 07-Jan-13 15:48:52

I suppose you could fry the bacon first but I think just bung it in a hot oven.

My snack of choice is pork scratchings. There is a brand called Hogbites that don't have any msg or other nasties. Having said that though they are not exactly healthy. But after a few days you really won't need to snack.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 07-Jan-13 15:50:15

I have missed lunch!

Didn't quite get round to soup making and have not felt hungry, so forgot, but off to have something now. Thinking of possibly rule number one. blush

cathyandclaire Mon 07-Jan-13 15:52:37

I like kale crisps if I'm feeling nibbly. Shredded kale sprayed with olive oil and roasted til crispy, delicious with sea salt and black pepper or Chinese style like seaweed sprinkled with 5 spice smile

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 15:54:28

Ilisten2theradio you can cook any curry and just leave out the chilli. I make a lot of curries and usually prefer to use spices for flavour rather than heat. It makes them more child friendly too.

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 15:55:42

ooh I have half a bag of kale left in the fridge, I feel some crisps coming on!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 15:56:42

cathyandclaire - how long to you roast the kale for? I have a huge bag that came in this week's veg box!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 15:57:19

I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to start another thread just for the questions? That way there's more of a chance they will be seen/answered. Whaddya think?

Jacaqueen Mon 07-Jan-13 16:00:54

You have to keep an eye on the kale as I find it can burn very easily. Probably takes about 10 mins in my oven at 200.

I think a separate thread for questions would be a good idea. Especially for the first few weeks.

Rooobs Mon 07-Jan-13 16:02:13

yy to separate thread! keep it nice and tidy smile

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 07-Jan-13 16:02:24

Another thread? <faints>

Yddraigoldragon Mon 07-Jan-13 16:03:08

Snacks- anything low carb cubed so cooked meat, cheese, - boiled egg, veg, salad leaves - add a squirt of hellmans mayo and enjoy.
Coffee with double cream and a spot of no sugar vanilla extract is a wonderful treat and fills you up.
Think ahead if possible - so boiled egg and crispy bacon can be snacks for today or breakfast tomorrow whichever is needed.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 16:07:22

Well I know, Pistey - but the other threads should be dying off now, as this is the main one. Just so many of us and so many questions I'm worried people are getting missed!

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 16:07:32

what about hummus?

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 16:13:16

Sainsbury's is 10.6g carbs per 100g, so it's quite carby (as it would be, as it's made from chick peas, which aren't allowed on Bootcamp).

Their Basics version is less carby, at 9.1g per 100g. Personally I would avoid it for the first two weeks of Bootcamp.

EldritchCleavage Mon 07-Jan-13 16:14:22

Thank you, BIWI. It was a terrible shock but we've adjusted now. He's very brave.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 16:14:58

Fab, ok it's no great shakes I'll just avoid. It's a meh food anyway. I can live with cream cheese instead grin

Thankyou very much

anewdispensation Mon 07-Jan-13 16:15:41

Ladies, my sister came back from the USA this morning and she had not seen me since mid december. When we got home and I took off my coat, her jaws dropped. She is now going to join me and I have also been getting comments on how I am glowing.. I am so thrilled....

Wilding Mon 07-Jan-13 16:16:39

So, is cheese generally OK for snacking then? I don't eat meat or boiled eggs (fussy, I know!) so am struggling slightly for things to nibble on...

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 16:16:41

My pleasure!


Question thread

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 16:22:08

anew wow! Well done! That is a compliment indeed smile

Thanks BIWI I might add it to my watch list so I don't lose it later on.

Wilding Mon 07-Jan-13 16:23:43

Thanks biwi - I shall re-post!

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 16:27:14

Thinking about getting a veg and meat box next week actually. Don't really have to worry about getting fruit (and you know what? It's liberating. It really is. Every bloody week I trail round the supermarket trying to vary my fruit as much as I do my veg... God it's hard. And if you go online to shop, you might as well put a sign up saying 'Give me all the bruised fruit!' I'll get a couple of apples for DS and some blueberries for DH and that's it.)

They say you can say you don't want stuff in there. Shall I ask they double up my kale and swede etc and don't give me potatoes and carrots or squash? I can get DS a couple potatoes for his share of the soup or curry seperately, can't I? Is that reasonable?

I work for one day and 250 posts later!!
Will try and catch up
Marking place

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 16:28:04

Sorry; that's not a question quesion I just posted, it's an opinion thing and so not worthy of the proper question thread blush

anewdispensation Mon 07-Jan-13 16:28:36

Thanks Slatternly. More than the 7lbs lost in 6 days, I love the general sense of well being. It is so nice being on here and for everyone being supportive. I just want to say to all others on day 1, stick it out. I felt like I was dying for the first 3 days as I was a proper sugar fiend but on the 4th day I started feeling better and now I am very ok and do not think of food very much. Before this WOE, I had never had swede and celeriac and now I think they are brilliant. Just keep going!!

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 16:36:16

Whats your take on protein shakes for breakfast Biwi? I have a low carb whey protein powder (unflavoured) which woudl be 1.5 carbs per shake, I was going to add water and either cream or alpro to it, and a dollop of coconut oil because I struggle to make/eat breakfast and it would be ideal for me. Is it a no-no in bootcamp?

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 16:36:50

It's lovely when people notice and comment, isn't it? I found that because I lost weight very slowly, I didn't notice it myself until very recently, because I seemed to lose the weight proportionately. Looking in the mirror, to me, I looked just the same - it was only the fit of my clothes that told me (keep telling me - I still can't believe it!) that I had lost so much.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 16:41:26

BlackAffronted - I've copied your question and answered it on the new, shiny question thread

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 16:42:51

Wow another thread, fab idea thoughsmile

JustasmallGless love the NC

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 16:42:57

I don't really like the idea of them, but that's because personally I prefer real food, and I assume (which may be a massive assumption on my part because I know nothing about them) that they are full of artificial ingredients, which we're trying to avoid.

But if it makes breakfast easier, then I suppose they could be helpful. [not convinced face] grin

Ruprekt Mon 07-Jan-13 16:46:47

What a fast moving thread!

I have picked at some pigs in blankets I got for 50p from M&S over xmas and they were low carb.


B- 2 eggs, bacon and mushrooms
L- snacked on pigs in blankets and pork scratchings
D- Chicken in creamy mushroom sauce, asparagus and spinach

And shed loads water!!

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 16:53:08

Here is the powder I was going to use, but have just seen that it contains sweeteners sad here

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 16:53:56

Might keep it for the most difficult mornings, and try to eat properly as many mornings as I can.

NellVarnish Mon 07-Jan-13 16:56:15

I'm just cooking slow braised cabbage and chicken fillets with leeks for tea. Adding butter and cream and slightly freaking out at putting it all in!

I'm either going to love this diet and be a skinnymalinkylonglegs or the side of a house. grin


B: total full fat yog 1/2 pot
L: two hastily scrambled eggs with buttered mushrooms
D: chicken fillet (with the Maggi packet thing), leeks and braised cabbage

Is that ok do you think? Have had 1 1/2 ltrs water - not enough but am working on it.

<needs a wee>

ElectricalHoHoHoBanana Mon 07-Jan-13 16:58:07

i have joined you and have put my details in.....

today is my first day with no carbs...i havent had any now for nearly 24 hours and i feel "funny"....i am usually a bread munching, chocolate gobbling, 3 sugars in my tea slurping fool.

i am 45 this year and i have hit menopause....and its shows. Gone is the voluptuous size 12-14 marilyn monroe-esque coke bottle figure to be replaced by

a barrel

a short fat hairy barrel

i am 14st1.6lb and 5ft4"

shit shit shit. i havent been this heavy since i had DD1 25 years ago when even though she was 4.5lb i managed to go from 8st to 14st....i had severe water retention/pre eclampsia/eclampsia and kidney failure. i pissed my way back to 8 st in less than 4 months! oh happy days when i snapped back after all that weight gain.

i put on again with DD2 (20) but not as bad. I have spent the last 20 years moaning about wanting to rid myself of the baby fat...

I need to loose weight.....i have v high BP (210/130!- but now on meds so much better) i have familial hypercholesterolaemia and an underactive thyroid. I am also on meds for "restlesslegs". and i am a brittle asthmatic.

i think i am on the edge of type 2 diabetes (its rife in my family)

my right ankle is fucked....i hobble like an old lady and my knees hurt all the time. I snore so badly my OH wakes up and wakes me up,,,,i have a feeling i stop breathing too.

i am a size 16 bottom and a size 12-14 top. i have small boobs so the size is all fat IYKWIM.

thankyou for reading this....it has felt cathartic to write it down.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 16:58:33

Ooooh nell that sounds lovely. <wants slow braised cabbage recipe> I use the Maggi things too, are they ok?

ElectricalHoHoHoBanana Mon 07-Jan-13 17:00:37

oh and today i have had

2 boiled eggs

a chunk of salmon left over from last night with a large salad

a piece of fillet steak, mushrooms, carrots and broccoli

and lots of tea with NO FUCKING SUGAR IN>>>>>>>arrrghhhhhh

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 17:02:45

Welcome ElectricalHoHoHoBanana

Food today has been

B-Bacon and eggs
L-burger and salad
D-slow roasted pork in creamy sauce with green beans
sloshing and running to the loo lots as on 7th pint of waterwink

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 17:03:40

ElectricalHoHoHoBanana - welcome! I notice that you are on medication for your blood pressure (not surprising, given the numbers grin). You should talk to your gp about doing low carb, as this WOE does help to lower blood pressure - so the levels of meds you are on will need to be monitored.

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 17:04:32

After a while Elec you wont miss the sugar.smile

NellVarnish Mon 07-Jan-13 17:08:22

Mmm just tasted the cabbage - divine. got another bottle of water on the go as I'm making tea.

Thank you for putting me on the Spreadsheet of Marvellousness Willie - I am rubbish at spreadsheets. smile

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 17:11:25

Nell - you need to trust us on the fat front. It does work, honestly! Just keep an eye on the amount of dairy you're having, as that can cause problems for some people.

ElectricalHoHoHoBanana Mon 07-Jan-13 17:15:14

oh god....you have all made me cry-a bit.

i hate my body so much (DH says i am still foxy but hell fire he does need new glasses)

the thing is all i can think of is bread!!!!!!

i will keep an eye on my BP - i am an ex nurse and have my own monitor here, GP is great and so is practice nurse so between us all we should get it controlled.

YAY....sorry...excited and emotional tonight

NellVarnish Mon 07-Jan-13 17:16:14

Slatternly Slow Braised Creamy Cabbage recipe - it was on one of the other threads I think so thought I'd give it a whirl.

My lot love the garlic chicken Maggi things - I looked on the back and it was 5.2g carbs to 130g chicken fillet but I put six of them in there instead of four so crosses fingers it might be ok.

I hope. grin

NellVarnish Mon 07-Jan-13 17:20:32

Thanks BigStickGuru, I trust you implicitly - am following you on twitter now too (initials SS) not stalking, honest!. Just in case you put any pearls of wisdom on there too. grin

Hohoho, I bet I am more barrel like than you! I ate a small child's worth of Quality Street over the hols. Don't worry, we are all in this together. smile

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 17:27:50

Now there's an idea for a name change ...!

(I'm no guru though. Just a few years down the line in terms of low carbing)

NellVarnish Mon 07-Jan-13 17:33:31

Do it. smile

coldethyl Mon 07-Jan-13 17:33:48

Well, I think I've hit the carb flu. Second day of low-carbing without cheating and suddenly I'm too tired to stand up and can't make simple decisions (should I feed the children their planned tea now, or in half an hour?), but I'm not properly hungry. This is usually a sign I've not eaten, so I think it's a sign this time that I'm moving over from carbs to other stuff. Having an emergency cup of coffee to prop me up on caffeine as I sadly cannot possibly go to bed yet!

Nevermind. Tea cooking at DH's suggestion, lest I keel over completely:
buttered salmon, roast cauliflower, buttered spinach, peas for the ethylettes (who consider spinach a cruel and unusual punishment). I will eat what I want and go to bed early!

LucyVFood Mon 07-Jan-13 17:35:31

Evening all! Can't believe how huge this thread is already.

Day 6 for me and I'm feeling much better - or would be if I hadn't gone back to work today sad Plus I did the Shred and wow am I unfit.

I have questions but will put them in the proper place. How everyone's well, it all sounds very positive.

hurricanewyn Mon 07-Jan-13 17:36:48

Evening all. Have updated the spreadsheet, but I had to weigh in my clothes & shoes, so I'm probably a bit lighter than I weighed.

I'll be weighing thisxway for 6 weeks, so it'll still be a good indicator of loss.

Chicken omlette for dinner!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 17:38:06

Yep, coldethyl, that sounds like you're heading into ketosis! Keep your fat levels up, and make sure you're eating salt on your food. The salmon will help you as it has lots potassium in it.

coldethyl Mon 07-Jan-13 17:43:16

Thanks BIWI! Good to know I'm doing something right!

Hellooooooo! I am here, marking my place. Relieved to be back on the low carb wagon tbh!

cocolepew Mon 07-Jan-13 17:48:10

Evening all smile. Not the most auspicious start to my first proper week LCing. I didn't get to sleep until 2.30, this has been a problem for a few weeks now, then slept in! I'd set my alarm wrong blush. Thankfully it was only half an hour but there wasn't time to do my fry up. I threw some eggs in the microwave but over cooked them hmm.

Thankfully I had made a stirfry yesterday for lunch. Had a salmon fillet smeared in butter and cooked in the oven in foil for tea. With M&S cauliflower cheese, because I'm too lazy to do it myself grin.I wasn't particularly hungry but thought it best to eat now instead of getting the munchies later.

Sorry slatternlymother it was me that told you to eat the blueberries, I thought you were only cutting out sugar, not joining us grin.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 17:49:02

hurricane - did you weigh yourself before you'd eaten/drunk anything and after you'd gone to the loo?!

thenightsky Mon 07-Jan-13 17:52:35

Ah here you all are!

thenightsky Mon 07-Jan-13 17:57:52

I think I've added myself to the spreadsheet, but I'm such a clutz with things like that I don't know how it works really.

I'll stick with chatting and keeping my own records as I'm terrified of messing it up.

Doshusallie Mon 07-Jan-13 17:58:36

Hi all.

Bloody hell. I work FT too, but that's going to have to go to keep up with this.

Welcome Eletricalbanana, this will work for you I promise.

High fives Platoon.

Vanilla Essence with Greek yoghurt for brekkie? (for whoever asked)

Anewdisposition - how lovely that you sister had that reaction. Good for you. grin

Great idea to have a separate thread for questions.

My Dad watched that video - he agreed with all of it, and TBH follows quite a low carb eating plan anyway.

Another one here who knows someone who lost a pile of weight on Lighter Life and piled it all on again and then some.

I am not a good cook either, for whoever said we were all accomplished cooks! Dh does most of it, but I do cook alot more now than I used to. I tend to eat straight from the fridge, so I need to make sure the right stuff is in it.

Snacks today have been a few spoons of greek yog from Lidl as I luuuuurve it, and some peanut butter.

Tea is left over roast pork and veggies.

GinotPrigio Mon 07-Jan-13 18:08:40

Great to have so many people starting today. Slowly making my way through all the post. That braised cabbage receipe looks amazing. can't wait to give it a go.

It's Day 6 for me and so far so good. I am really not missing bread / potatoes / pasta / biscuits. I am still craving chocolate but I think that's one craving that will never go away!

Food today was:
B: 3 boiled eggs with butter
L: Prawn cocktail and leftover cauliflower cheese from last night
S: Chicken pieces
D: Pork fillet stuffed with blue cheese, and pak choi fried in garlic butter

Nervous and excited about my 7 day weigh in tomorrow. 6 lbs is my target but 7lbs would be incredible.

Yama Mon 07-Jan-13 18:08:51

Right, that's me home from work and had dinner. Feeling great and have felt amazing all day (I did light Bootcamp from last Wed).

B - Scrambled eggs with butter and cheese
L - Salad with chicken thigh and mature cheddar
S - Greek yoghurt, 2 x cheese cracker
D - Bol with cauliflower rice and some cucumber and cheddar

Have had 3 pints of water so far, 2 cups of tea and a coffee. I only take the faintest splashes of milk.

Now to catch with how everyone has been fairing.

Doshusallie Mon 07-Jan-13 18:16:51

Yama - your food looks great i ould just say that you are having cheese with every meal.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 18:17:35

Yama - just keep an eye on the dairy - you're eating quite a lot. Hopefully it won't be a problem, but it's something that can impede your weight loss.

sybilfaulty Mon 07-Jan-13 18:22:22

Just marking my place. On train home so will post weight etc once on pc at home.

caramelwaffle Mon 07-Jan-13 18:22:31

Checking in.

Yama Mon 07-Jan-13 18:24:08

Thanks guys, I'll go without tomorrow. Good to have things pointed out. You are right BIWI about writing down everything you eat - it really helps.

NoelHeadbands Mon 07-Jan-13 18:28:18

Evening all (thanks for the wise words earlier BIWI. Panic over wink)

B- sausage, fried egg, slice of bacon with added butter
L- chicken wings coated in Parmesan and sesame seeds with salad and mayo
T- chilli (minus the kiddly beans) in iceberg wraps

ShebaQueen Mon 07-Jan-13 18:36:06

Evening all, I have a splitting headache, but am glugging water like mad.

Haven't found today too difficult but have missed my tea with milk, been drinking green tea instead.

Boiled eggs for breakfast
Tuna mayonnaire with salad for lunch
Chicken breast with mozzarella, mushrooms and spinach for dinner

Great to see everyone so motivated!

Lifeisontheup Mon 07-Jan-13 18:37:26

Disaster of a day in some ways, went to see my sister who knew I was on LC. We'd normally have a toasted sandwich so she's made some soup instead which was split pea soup.sad I had to eat it as she's made it specially, hadn't the heart to tell her it's not LC, she'd also made some oat cookies specially (think she may have confused low GI with LC. Still on the bright side I've drunk 3L of water.
Dinner is :
Pork chop, creamy braised cabbage, mushrooms fried in butter with leeks and creamed spinach so looking forward to that.

Wonder if the shops will run out of cabbage as we all seem to be having the creamy braised cabbage.smile a sort of bootcamp Delia effect?

ToomuchWaternotWine Mon 07-Jan-13 18:41:48


B 2 eggs scrambled with butter and cream
L broccoli and Stilton soup (half a pack) with salami and Philly rolls
S couple of slices of cheese
D butter chicken curry (no rice obv!) with baby sweet corn.

It's good to be back!

Hello! Had a bit of a nightmare start this morning as we had a change of childminder and routine going on and so I managed not to have breakfast. I also got caught up in work and a colleague picked up a sandwich for me - chicken ceaser salad, but it had pasta underneath so I didn't have very much. I did drink 1.5 litres of water at work though.

Got home starving and had two chicken thighs, some mini-pepperami and some pork scratchings! Tea will be lamb steaks and green beans and broccoli and then off to bed as I am exhausted after a full day back teaching!!!

I did OK over christmas, only putting on a couple of lbs and then in the last week I have put on about half a stone blush however, I know it will come off quickly so am quite motivated about that! I am also going to measure this time around as I like to see the little graphs going down!

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 18:49:28

I've weighed myself. I am 13st 1lb. Jesus sad

At least I'm in the right place.

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 18:50:34

Soooo. Bit worried I have gone wrong somewhere:

B: egg white omelette and coffee with tiny splash of cream.

Snack: two match box sized cubes of cheese.

L: egg white omelette with 1 leek cooked in some butter.

And this is where I think I have gone wrong:

D: two whole avocados with brown shrimp and small dollop of mayo. Btw I found a mayo which only has 0.3g of carb per 100g. It's called West Sussex Company something or other. I will link later.

Well I didn't weigh the two avocados but I have googled and each one would weigh 200g. Which means I have chomped 400g of avocado which is 7.96g of carb in one hit!! shock
I have fecked it up haven't I?
It felt like a carb hit eating the avocado.
That said its day 1 for me and the carb hangover is here and my teeth are furry and mouth tastes funny this evening

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 18:52:01

Could someone add my voluptuous shame to the spreadsheet? I can't work it out sad

I think avocados are ok? I really hope so as I've just eaten one as my roast chicken is taking way too long to cook!

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 18:54:20

Littlemiss. It's the fact that I ate two whole avocados in one go. One would have been fine but I love avo and am clearly a greedy mare.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 18:54:28

skand1 - you have gone wrong.

But not with the avocado, so much.

Why are you eating egg white omelettes? What's wrong with the yolks?!

If you feel like you have a carb hangover, then things are probably OK. Are you drinking plenty of water? Keep your fat levels up as well.

BillComptonstrousers Mon 07-Jan-13 18:54:48

What is everyone doing about their horrible breath? I can feeling it seeping out of me :-( I daren't talk to anyone for fear of killing them. I obviously don't want to having lots of mints/chewing gum, any natural methods?

skandi1 - why did you not eat the egg yolks? It looks to me like you might need more protein in your diet, and that you probably haven't eaten enough? I don't think the avocados are a problem, 8g of carbs really isn't very much if that is all you have had all day? You might need to eat a few more from green leafy veg? Eat more!!!!!

slatternly I'll do it for you - how much do you want me to put down as your start weight?

LucyVFood Mon 07-Jan-13 18:57:20

TooMuchWaterNotWine, your curry sounds lovely. Could you post the recipe?

PromQueenWithin Mon 07-Jan-13 18:57:45

He hee Life, we also had the braised cabbage for tea!

B: full fat greek yoghurt, coffee with cream
L: Tuna (in oil) salad with a boiled egg
D: Duck breast fillets, creamy braised cabbage and brocoli

DH and DD had potatoes, I didn't miss them though. The braised cabbage is amazing, I'm thinking of adding a bit more cream to the leftovers and blitzing them into a soup.

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 18:57:45

I'm 13st 1lb mrshercule <sigh>

Jacaqueen Mon 07-Jan-13 18:58:03

Don't panic the avocado has so much good fat in it. Maybe just have one at a time from now on though.

Why are you not eating the egg yolks?

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 18:58:16

Just made an really tasty chicken thing for tea, I mixed mayo with parmesan & garlic powder, coated the chicken breast with the mixture & baked in the oven - delicious! Ive added it to the recipe thread, I apologise if its already there.

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 18:58:50

I had the braised cabbage tonight too!

Hi! I'm new.... DP and I are going to start tomorrow. Can I just ask, Is coconut milk ok? The can I bought is 1.1g carbs per 100g. smile

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 19:03:53

Thank you btw mrshercule thanks

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 19:04:43

bullet I think it's fine, you're looking for less than 5g per 100g I think, but a guru will be along shortly I'm sure.

Yddraigoldragon Mon 07-Jan-13 19:06:38

Day 1 for me
B Scrambled egg with green pepper and pancetta
L Roast cold belly pork strips with salad and mayo
D Pork, broccoli stems and cheesy leek (leeks chopped and cooked with a bit of water and butter, salt n pepper, and when soft bung some a load of grated cheese in and cook a bit longer - total yum!)

Thanks slatternly smile

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 19:07:02

bullet here is a link to this thread's questions section. Just so your question gets answered properly xx

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 19:07:29

Welcome bullet, that coconut milk sounds fine - I use it in curries smile

ChristmasJubilee Mon 07-Jan-13 19:23:49

B cheese omelette, mushrooms fried in butter

L creamy chicken soup, cucumber and celery sticks, pâté

D chilli con carne (without kidney beans), cabbage, leeks and sprouts stirfried in butter.

2 cups of tea with a little milk and 1 coffee with cream.

Could someone please add my weight to the spreadsheet. I have tried and failed. I'm 232lbs (I'm 14ft tall grin)

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 19:35:22

Jacaqueen. Not too keen on egg yolk and I have high cholesterol so have been told to avoid egg yolk if I am to gorge on egg for LCing.

It's convenient too. You can buy fresh liquid egg white in cartons. It's super quick to pour out and make an omelette with.

I am glad my avocado frenzy hasn't completely ruined it all. I am
Sticking to one avo at the time from now on!

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 19:41:05

Oh and BIWI. Thank you.

I did both egg white omelettes with butter. And the lunch one had a whole leek and cheese in it too.

Just don't like yolk. If I am served fried egg I eat around the yolk and just eat the white instead.

Oh well I am having prawn curry tomorrow night. And I think a chorizo omelette for lunch. Hope that is enough fat otherwise I can easily supplement it with ham and cheese as snacks.

I am drinking ok. I am half a glass of my daily 3l target just now plus I have had 4 cups of green tea. Sloooosh.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 19:43:33

Eating fat doesn't make you fat.
Eating cholesterol doesn't give you high cholesterol.

But if you don't like the yolks, fair enough!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 19:43:59

Bullet - welcome! That coconut milk sounds fine.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 07-Jan-13 19:45:47

Skandi I'm not a medical expert but I have been LCing for almost a year now and have eaten millions of eggs and my cholesterol has been checked twice and is fine. You may want to seek medical advice before eating yolks but I haven't had a problem with them.

Electric I have had very high blood pressure since my early 20s (am 53) and it is now normal so hopefully LCing will do the same for you.

Eldritch sending you unmumsnetty ((hugs)).

Ilovemyteddy Mon 07-Jan-13 19:46:42

Oh, you don't like yolks. Ignore what I just posted grin

HugAndRoll Mon 07-Jan-13 19:48:39

I lost you all for a while!

Well, self indulgent whine:

Please kick me up the ass. Last week low carb gave me the runs so instead of being sensible and realising it was just my body adjusting I decided I couldn't do it. I've eaten carbs every day since (including today) until I had a long hard talk with myself and asked what the fuck I was playing at. My sugar addiction is huge and I am going to need support which I know is going to be annoying.

I really need to do this though but for the love of god how to I stick to the first couple of weeks? I'm doing my own and likely your head in.

Yddraigoldragon Mon 07-Jan-13 19:49:20

I can remember looking at prepacked egg when LC'ing previously - and have never eaten restaurant scrambled egg since as the pack I looked at had 'stuff' added to eke out the egg..
Skandi1 completely understand about not liking yolk, but it would be worth checking that the pack is just egg. <doesn't trust food processing people>

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 19:55:56

HugAndRoll - make sure you have planned out your meals, and make sure you have planned to cook lovely, yummy food. Lots of posts already today of gorgeous-sounding meals people have had.

You really only need to get through the first 2-3 days of carb withdrawal, and then you will find it much easier, honestly!

We will all be here, giving you support and encouragement.

And you won't be annoying! Many people here are very new to low carbing and everyone will have questions and concerns; that's the point of the chat thread (and the new 'questions' thread).

Ultimately - here comes the kick up the ass - we can't do it for you. You have to do it. You have to decide if you're really committed, and then make sure it happens.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 19:57:42

I've just realise, there are 177 of us on the spreadsheet. That means that if we all lose just one pound this week, that will be the equivalent of losing one Mumsnetter!

ScillyCow Mon 07-Jan-13 19:59:15

Hi all!

Have added my weight to the marvellous spreadsheet.

I didn't weigh today but have lost 6 lbs - now on day 12 I think.

I feel amazing - not hungry.




helpingout Mon 07-Jan-13 20:02:16

I've added myself to the spreadsheet, hope that's ok!

Bacon for breakfast, prawn salad for lunch, bacon/green bean/red onion omelette for tea. Need to swot up on recipes and buy some basics tomorrow.

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 20:02:48

I have checked the egg white and its this: www.twochicks.co.uk/

And it doesn't have any nasties from what I could determine.

My high cholesterol seems a mystery as after lots of blood tests and following advice and medication, it has no obvious cause and nothing is shifting it down wards.

So on the basis I was told that eggs as in the yolk part was the devil for cholesterol and I don't like it much, I have for a long time made all my omelettes with egg. White.

But as I am terrified of BIWI and her big stick, I will try whole egg and see how I do. smile

OTTMummA Mon 07-Jan-13 20:03:16

Ahem,, i may have bought another cabbage today grin I could eat that all day blush
I feel like i have eaten too much, so i will list and then someone can put me straight.
B: 2 egg omlette with butter and sprinkle of cheddar
L: Chicken mayo salad with iceburg lettuce and 2 inc piece of peeled cucumber
D: braised cabbage leftovers and chicken with a little mustard (tiny teaspoon)
I was still hungry and feeling light headed so had 3 eggs fried and mushrooms in butter, with a small coffee and dash of cream.
I haven't managed 4.5lts of water, infact i have managed the grand total of 6 glasses blush i am not a big water drinker massiveunderstatement

Evening losers

Well done everyone on day 1 (or 3,4?5 or 6 depending on where you are up to) of the rest of your LC lives!

How are you feeling? However rubbish you feel I promise by the end of the week you will feel brill with loads of energy and not as hungry once your body starts to get rid of carbs and fat burn

B- ham and Philly cheese rolls
L salad with bit of leftover ham from brekkie and cheese coleslaw
Da chicken filled with Boursin wrapped prosciutto and braised cabbage

I'm stuffed peeps

Toomuch - loving the new name btw (although only Dosh is dry In Jan!)

Jacaqueen Mon 07-Jan-13 20:04:43

HugAndRoll plan you menu for the fist 3-4 days. Plan to eat something high fat and delicious every couple of hours. Drink lots of water and get as much rest as you can. Paracetamol can be used for headaches and general aches and pains.

After a few days will you will be fine. Infact you will be better than fine.

You can do it.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 07-Jan-13 20:07:13

Hugandroll every time you fall off the wagon you have to do the first two weeks again, complete with carb-flu etc. So you would be kinder to yourself just to get it over with this week. Once you get past the poo-ing etc you will feel fucking GREAT. Trust me.

Honestly if I can do it, anyone can. It is SO worth those first two weeks.

Instead of glasses of water have you tried a sports cap bottle? I buy one at beginning of week and refill.
There is something scientific which I have read but can't bloody find now which explains why you can drink more via bottke

helpingout Mon 07-Jan-13 20:07:31

I've added myself to the spreadsheet, hope that's ok!

Bacon for breakfast, prawn salad for lunch, bacon/green bean/red onion omelette for tea. Need to swot up on recipes and buy some basics tomorrow.

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 20:10:47

Is SoleSource still with us?

BlackAffronted Mon 07-Jan-13 20:12:56

So, how many of us had braised cabbage today? grin

GinotPrigio Mon 07-Jan-13 20:13:46

ScillyCow - Recipe for those parmesan crisps please? I'm desperately craving something sweet after dinner but these might do the trick instead!

Carrotcakeisace Mon 07-Jan-13 20:18:03

Ok, so I couldn't weigh this morning due to a flat battery situation but even taking into account the litres of water I've drunk today 230.5lbs is disgraceful and I have totally obliterated all the good work I did last year. I will be good from now on

B- 2 eggs scrambled with butter
L- cauli soup from the recipie thread
D- roast pork stir fry

I have also has a couple of teas with milk

slatternlymother Mon 07-Jan-13 20:19:06

I just had chicken thighs fried in butter and finished in the oven then rolled in pesto. Had peas and green beans on the side.

Fried off some streaky bacon in butter for breakfast tomorrow and it's sitting deliciously in the fridge.

Water to drink, even though DH had a big glass of diet coke.

Feeling a bit chubby, but I just started my period a few hours ago, so that won't help I guess.

It's hard to stop equating the fat in my body with the fat in butter.

OTTMummA Mon 07-Jan-13 20:22:02

oooohh, Will have to try the sports bottle, DD keeps lunging for my drinks at the moment so a bottle makes sense tbh.

I have had another 2 glasses, but doubt i will manage the whole 4.5 lts today, but will aim for it tomorrow.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 20:23:02

For me:

No breakfast (I'm doing a little bit of intermittent fasting)
Lunch - roast belly pork with salad/vinaigrette dressing
Dinner - pan-fried cod fillet on a bed of spinach (in garlic butter)

Have restricted myself to 2 cups of coffee today, and have drunk 3 litres of water so far.

NoelHeadbands Mon 07-Jan-13 20:24:35

I have a shocking admission to make...

I don't like the braised cabbage grin

troyandabedinthemorning Mon 07-Jan-13 20:24:45

Hi all
So I'm dying of thirst, have a pounding headache and am ravenous even though I just ate a delicious meal of bacon-wrapped chicken breast with cream of celery and mushroom leek sauce and a huge mount of brocolli and green beans.
I just have to stick it out right? (hopeful)

HugAndRoll Mon 07-Jan-13 20:25:45

I am totally committed and know I need to get through the carb flu.

Tomorrow I'm having Greek yogurt for breakfast, salad with full fat French dressing and ham for lunch and either bacon and eggs or an omelette for dinner.

Other than boiled eggs what are good snacks as can't have fruit for 2 weeks and can I eat Brie?

Slatternly- I totally get what you are saying. How can eating fat to make me fatter? Read about the science bit and trust in it. All of us can't be wrong.

My sil did Lighter life and like others put most of her weight back on. Eating meal replacement shakes and bars then one low cal/low carb meal in the evening just isn't FUN

Who is really enjoying food for the first time in a long time? The taste of real food instead of processed crap ( forgets about the babybel i ate today blush)

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 20:29:44


I'm glad!

You'll get through it fine - you know what to expect. Keep drinking plenty of water, keep your fat levels up and make sure you're getting enough sodium and potassium. Salt is good on this WOE, especially if you're drinking lots of water. And salmon/avocadoes are good sources of potassium.

Some snack suggestions on the question thread

Yes, you can snack on Brie - or any other cheese.

Your menu tomorrow sounds perfect!

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 20:31:05


Similar advice to you. If you're thirsty despite drinking lots, you also need to make sure you're getting sodium and potassium.

TooImmatureMincePies Mon 07-Jan-13 20:36:43

Low-carb cottage pie for dinner.

However, forgive me BIWI for I have sinned. I was in a foul mood after work (first day back after mat leave, office move in my absence and they didn't sodding allocate me a desk, the f*ckers, so I'm going to have to sit somewhere random and not with my lovely chatty team members. Also there was bugger all to do all day) so I have eaten some berries and cream. I also had a couple of cups of tea with semi-skimmed milk at work out of sheer boredom.

BigStickBIWI Mon 07-Jan-13 20:38:15

Well, it comes to something when you apologise for eating fruit grin

No worries. Tomorrow is another day and all that. But what a horrible return to work sad angry

Yama Mon 07-Jan-13 20:39:47

Troy - you will start to feel better. I'm a few days in and feel magnificent. Dh started properly yesterday and feels fatigued and thirsty. Oh, and I no longer have the funny taste in my mouth.

HugandRoll, we baked a load of chicken thighs and legs and are good to have with salad or as a tasty snack.

halfthesize Mon 07-Jan-13 20:41:26

WOW, 177 on spreadsheet, thats amazinggrin

skandi1 Mon 07-Jan-13 20:41:46

This is the mayo with only 0.3g of carb per 100g: www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Sussex-Valley-Classic-Mayonnaise/40396011

Got it with my shop today and its lovely. Much nicer than Hellmans.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 07-Jan-13 20:43:30

I have done lots of lc shopping and cooking today - I am very prepared for the week ahead.

Also bought and ate some pickled cucumbers. Mmmmmm. Only 2.8g per 100g so suitable for bootcamp.

HugAndRoll Mon 07-Jan-13 20:43:42

Hooray for Brie! That's my snack sorted if needed.

tooimmature I returned from mat leave last week, not the nicest thing at the best of times. Sounds like a horrible return though and I hope they seat you with your team soon.

BIWI I really appreciate the kick up the ass, thank you smile

troyandabedinthemorning Mon 07-Jan-13 20:55:14

Thanks BIWI The table says I have to drink a minimum of 3.5 litres a day which I have managed. I have had a lit of potassium and salt today so fingers crossed
Half an hour ago I felt like giving up but I do feel better now.
B: Spicy eggs
L: Soup
D: Chili +salad.

kandinskysgirl Mon 07-Jan-13 20:58:32

Hi all

Could someone add me to the spreadsheet as I couldn't see my name? My weight is 170lb :-(

Today I've had
B: ham and cheese
L: ham and salami salad
D: pulled pork, coleslaw and rocket

Feeling very full and roasting chicken thighs and boiling eggs so snacks are easy to hand!

Livelongandprosper Mon 07-Jan-13 21:01:14

It's my first week in a new job, I have not drunk enough water during the day because I couldn't keep disappearing off to the toilet in the middle of the training sessions. I am making up for it now.

Hope everyone had a good first day.

TryBreatheTwinkleFly Mon 07-Jan-13 21:02:44

I was having a bit of a moment - I hadn't missed carbs or sweet stuff till now.... today I had a faint metallic taste in mouth - I was very excited about it - could it be Kerwotsit?

But tonight my OH made the kids pancakes with lemon and sugar sad the smell was overwhelmingly gorgeous... I womanfully resisted and made some of the cheese scones (with ground almond, feta and grated cheddar) which I have slathered in butter. They are surprisingly nice and I'm no longer having terrible sweet tooth cravings, thank god!

TryBreatheTwinkleFly Mon 07-Jan-13 21:04:38

PS dcat had the crumbs of the scones and he too found them surprisingly nice...

slatternly and christmasjubilee both your weights are added.

kandinskysgirl if someone else doesn't add ou before, I'll add ou tomorrow night when I'm back on laptop, I can update weights on iPad, but not add in the right place!