I feel like I'm drowning in sheer uncontrollable greed

(69 Posts)
Spiralling0ut0fControl Tue 04-Dec-12 22:05:43

I actually can't stop eating.
The past couple of months I've spiralled out of control and I don't know how to get back to normal.

I run a lot (about 28-30km per week, sometimes more) and have a decent pace of about 4'45" per km so I'm burning a fair amount of calories.
However, there's no way on earth I can blame my over-eating on the running as I'm consuming way over the amount I'm burning. I've also been running the distance/pace for quite a few months now but it's only been the last couple of months I've been over-eating.
I'm so cross with myself.
I've had to name-change as I'm so completely ashamed of the amount of food I get through. It's all refined sugars/carbohydrates and I'm utterly addicted sad

I'm not big. I'm about 5ft4 and weigh about 9.3 stone (probably more now, terrified to weigh myself) but the amount of crap I can get down my neck is disgusting and seemingly impossible for someone of my size.
For instance, tonight I had (after a very healthy day):
120g bar of Fruit and Nut Dairy Milk
Half a large bag of pretzels
a very full side plate sized spaghetti bolognese
Large bag of Dairy Milk Caramel chocolate button things
The other half of the large bag of pretzels
Two heaped teaspoons of Nutella
Four Weight Watchers biscuits
Low calorie hot chocolate with light squirty cream on top

It's disgusting. I used to allow myself one binge day every weekend as a treat and I had it under control. Now it's almost daily and I cannot control it. If it;s not chocolate then it's bags and bags of sweets.

I'm on MyFitnessPal.com and love it. I've been on it since June this year and finally got down to my (personally) ideal weight of 8st 12. I was ecstatic! I felt amazing. I've no idea what changed.
These days I can do really well during the day but by supper time it's like I've been possessed sad

My thighs and tummy are getting very wobbly, the extra pounds are affecting my running and I'm worried I'll do some serious damage to my organs and arteries if I carry on.

My friends are near enough useless as they say "There's nothing of you", "You do so much running, you'll burn it all off in no time", "It's the colder weather, you need more calories"

They just don't seem to understand the severity of it. It's like bulimia without the purging sad In fact I nearly posted this in Mental Health...

I need to get out of this desperately as, with the Christmas season, it's only going to get worse.

Biltongmuncher Tue 04-Dec-12 22:15:51

Firstly, don't be so hard on yourself, you are not disgusting! There could be a few simple reasons for over eating, and i have to say i am exactly the same! I am at gym and running five times a week and last few months i have been eating crap.

I put it down to colder months, less day light hours etc. Also, have you tried a few smaller meals across the day rather than three big ones? I found this stopped me from snacking as much.

Try not have the bad food in the house. Easier said than done as i have been known to raid the kids treat box!

Also, maybe try a variation on your exercise, gym or a class instead of a run to keep you motivated and interested.

But give yourself a break, it is just a slump and won't last forever.

Spiralling0ut0fControl Tue 04-Dec-12 22:32:09

Thanks Biltong, I've tried not having it in the house but I end up going out of my way to buy it. I'm that desperate to have it. I just go "ah fuck it I want it" and know full well I'll be miserable afterwards but it always seems worth it at the time.
It really is like I'm possessed.

All the adverts, billboards, Christmas food programs and supermarkets smothered in chocolate and mince pies is not helping. I need self control.
I read somewhere that sugar addiction is a lot like heroin addiction.
I think I need to go cold turkey and keep saying I'm going to do it.

I absolutely love running. It's the only form of exercise I really enjoy doing so not sure about changing it. I could try smaller, more frequent meals though...

LeftMeInSuspenders Tue 04-Dec-12 23:53:34

Yes, don't be so hard on yourself- I know where you're coming from though. I have become a terrible binge-eater over the past couple of years and it's like I'm possessed. I don't stop thinking about when I will get my next 'fix'. I am definitely addicted to sugar and it's bloody awful.
Is this a new thing?

Snowkey Tue 04-Dec-12 23:55:29

Try drinking more water - a lot more. Not sure what helps other than cold turkey - I am a sugar addict and I have fallen again, will cut it out in January.

FlourFace Tue 04-Dec-12 23:57:48

You had a 'very full side plate' of spag bol. Was that your dinner or an extra?

LeftMeInSuspenders Tue 04-Dec-12 23:58:57

That's what I'm doing Snowkey . New Year excess sugar ban! Mainly in the form of chocolate for me.
Maybe we could start a thread in the New Year. smile

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Wed 05-Dec-12 00:14:37

If you find out how to stop it could you let me know please?

I started a diet this year. In seven months I've managed to lose nearly a stone and a half and that's it. I run on a treadmill three times a week and bloody hate it. I absolutely crave carbs to the point of not being able to think about anything else. I really want to find some motivation and stop eating crap and run more but I find it bloody hard.

I've got an app called My Net Diary. It records diet and exercise etc but I've never tried MFP, it's supposed to be good.

I just don't want to resign myself to being fat for the rest of my life. I want to be a slim mummy, not the out of breath mummy. And I really don't want to start putting weight back on.

Christmas is not going to help either.

gotthearse Wed 05-Dec-12 01:40:31

You have my sympathy, its not just you. I start every day wuth great intentions and have many a grand plan for success. But then when I see something I want its like my brain turns off and I have scoffed it before I've had time to think 'I'm not doing that today/this week/month'. Then I feel feeble and stupid.

I think that my behaviour us a deep seated comfort/reward thing. Since the dc's fags/friends/booze/comfort shopping/spa's etc are gone or much reduced. Its one of the only treats I have to enjoy left. But I hate being like this. I used to be 8 12 before the dc's. Now 11 12. I dont recognise myself. I am thinking of seeing a hypnotherapist to try and break the cycle I feel locked into.

Take heart, you sound a healthy weight for your height and are very fit. You have done amazingly well to get to target and everyones weight will fluctuate.

If you feel that its really out of control then talk it through with someone. Do you think there is an emotional reason for how you eat, or do you simply burn a lot of calories? If you are eating loads and not gaining weight then you need to see your gp to get checked over.

Sorry for ramble I dont feel like I have helped much, but I get how you feel.

HansieMom Wed 05-Dec-12 02:12:53

Get a good book on low carb eating. Carbs send your blood sugar way up and then it crashes down leaving you wanting more. I try to lower my carbs all day. For breakfast most days, I have oat BRAN, it lasts you for hours. I too use My Fitness Pal, done it daily Since Oct 10. I have lost seven pounds and am intensely proud of that. I eat almost no fast foods, down from four or five per week. I feel so much better on low carb eating, more "even", which I think is all blood sugar levels.
I think your weight sounds absolutely fine. I would love to weigh that!

Snowkey Wed 05-Dec-12 07:16:54

While I sample festive foods during december i still am fasting twice a week - it's damage limitation and on my fast days I am never tempted to eat sugar, I know it's just off the menu.

I find that I can't have just one piece of sweetness and the easier way to resist is not putting the first bite in your mouth because once you get that sweet taste mouth feel resistance is incredibly difficult.

halfnhalf Wed 05-Dec-12 07:39:21

please try myfitnesspal. I was reluctant to do it, as it just sounded so weird to be recording everything you ate, but was totally out of control with my eating and felt so helpless that I gave it a go. I've lost a stone so far and it has stopped me from binging.

Biltongmuncher Wed 05-Dec-12 07:41:33

Yes yes to being addicted to sugar! I think i am too...and it always leaves me feeling horrible! The problem is we all know what
To do but just doing it is hard! I am going to go cold turkey from sugar...maybe after Christmas...

Biltongmuncher Wed 05-Dec-12 07:41:57

Yes yes to being addicted to sugar! I think i am too...and it always leaves me feeling horrible! The problem is we all know what
To do but just doing it is hard! I am going to go cold turkey from sugar...maybe after Christmas...

you poor thing. you say 'a very healthy day' - what would you describe this as typically?

i was in a horrible binge/starve cycle for years, and the only thing that has stopped the disordered eating behaviour is low carbing (the mental side is another issue). as hansiemom says it stops the blood sugar highs and lows so the physical cravings are under control, which makes mentally overcoming the urge to overeat a bit easier. i completely went cold turkey on sugar, starch, grains and some root veg (replacing them with tons of leafy greens), and for nearly ten months i have had 'normal' eating behaviour. i appreciate this wouldn't be for everyone, but it has really helped me - it was tough at first but within a couple of weeks i felt great.

if you were to take this route, you would probably find that your running suffers initially as your body gets used to your new way of eating, but i have found that after a few weeks you can train as normal

ppeatfruit Wed 05-Dec-12 09:22:28

No you are not disgusting.I'll say this three times;PAUL MCKENNA PAUL MCKENNA, PAUL MACKENNA grin I follow his WOE and it is amazing; he totally deals with the mental problems in a really good and easy way.See our thread!!

Spiralling0ut0fControl Wed 05-Dec-12 13:30:55

Thanks all for your replies!

Low carb used to work for me to a certain extent but I found the low calorie Myfitnesspal way of eating really works for me.
I managed to stick to it for a good four months with the odd bingey day at the weekends and lost about a stone. I think the colder weather certainly didn't help as it was around the turn of the season that I started binge eating more regularly. I was actually physically hungry, even after drinking loads of water and waiting 20 mins. It's just got progressively worse and worse.

I always begin the day with great intentions and "Right, that's IT!" mentality.
Breakfast and Lunch is always very healthy and low calorie.
Typically I'll have Bench Pressed Oats in the morning (no added sugar porridge with added whey protein) with unsweetened almond milk which usually amounts to about 230 cals or a Starbucks soya porridge which is 205 cals (although I think it has sugar in so will have to knock that on the head).
Then for lunch I'll usually have half a pot of hearty fresh supermarket soup with a slice of wheat free grainy bread which amounts to about 230 cals.
Supper is usually a low cal/fat ready meal (M&S or Waitrose as these seem to be the tastiest and healthiest out of the main supermarkets). I know they're not the best thing to eat but I'm a single mum and really can't be bothered to cook every night for just me. Plus I find it a real pain with all the weighing and measuring for MyFitnessPal so it's just easier all round. Plus I'll have a low fat yogurt or two after.
When I'm being good I always make sure I'm eating my full daily calories.

During the day I snack on raw carrots, sugar snap peas, a banana (if I've done a run, otherwise try to steer clear of those) or an apple.

As soon as I'm dishing supper up for the DS's (around 4:30/5pm) I become absolutely starving. So I upped my daily calorie goal so I could have my supper with them then have a bowl of porridge or cereal later on when I get hungry again.
I'm going to try and do this again and give myself a treat day at the weekend. Just one day where I can eat what I like and stick to that one day so I know I've got something to look forward to, just like I used to.

I just need to re-program myself I think. It's just having the willpower to say NO!

ppeatfruit Wed 05-Dec-12 13:41:53

If you look at the rules of Paul Mckenna he doesn't mention saying no to food when you are hungry. You actually MUST eat when you are hungry otherwise yr. body just hangs onto the cals, when you DO eat.

I 've lost nearly 3 stone with him and am maintaining (which is the real battle IMO) I NEVER count calories BUT I do eat healthily, No wheat which IS addictive IMO and E! Even more than sugar.

Spiralling0ut0fControl Wed 05-Dec-12 14:30:18

Flourface The full side plate of spag bol was my dinner. I didn't want to have a normal dinner sized plate as I knew I'd have all that extra junk anyway. I've never had the ability to recognise when I'm full.
Weirdly, the only time I feel full is after a huge double helping of food with a very stodgy pudding, like a Sunday Roast with loads of apple crumble and custard.
gotthearse In answer to your question about emotional issues, I don't know why but as a teenager I was fairly large. Probably weighed around 13 stone as I couldn't stop eating. I hid food regularly and learnt how to open bags and bags of crisps in bed under my duvet so my Mum wouldn't hear.
I used to have breakfast at home then have a bacon/sausage roll on the way to school as well as a huge bag of Minstrels or something. Lunch would have been equally as bad. Then on the way home from school I used to buy chips and eat them before I got home then have supper!
Then I finally learnt why I was getting so podgy and began a non stop cycle of diets and tricks. Strangely my sister was anorexic as a teenager so I always wondered if there was something not quite right for us growing up. No idea what it was though!

I've been through so many diets, low carb, quick fix three dayers, Weight Watchers, Slimming World, Atkins, GI... None of which I'd be happy with long term. The only one which has actually worked, reduced my weight the most and I'm happy with long term is low calorie (as long as I don't get greedy and eat healthy calories). It just makes sense to me. I enjoy eating carbohydrates. I couldn't imagine a lifetime of eating barely any, plus (I find) it's really hard to eat out or grab snacks whilst out.

I'd recommend MyFitnessPal to anyone. I just need to to get my self control back. I've decided on Sunday as my treat day. By then, my cravings should be reduced massively. Usually takes about three days I find.

We shall see.....

Spiralling0ut0fControl Wed 05-Dec-12 14:32:27

"I don't know why but as a teenager I was fairly large" I phrased that completely wrong!
What I meant was:
"I don't know what my emotional issues were, but as a teenager I was fairly large"

Spiralling0ut0fControl Wed 05-Dec-12 20:52:23

I've done it! Day one almost finished and I've stuck to just under my daily calorie goal and feel satisfied!

Mind Over Matter

I can do this


Jossysgiants Wed 05-Dec-12 21:05:34

Hi Spiralling glad you had a good day. Would you consider talking through these issues with a counsellor maybe to support you through? Willpower is fine and dandy but it sounds like a bit of support would help, particularly when you mention your teenage experience. The trouble with willpower is it puts you in a failure/ success type of dynamic which is a bit like riding a roller coaster - this from my own experiences with unhealthy habits such as giving up smoking. At any rate the running sounds like a good motivator for you. Running is my favourite exercise too - always hope if I can get a bit slimmer I could run a bit quicker. You are speedy!

Spiralling0ut0fControl Wed 05-Dec-12 21:40:44

Yes I should probably talk it through with a councellor. Not sure I can afford it though... Do they provide that sort of thing on the NHS?
It would be interesting to find out why I behaved the way I did as a teenager and why my sister also had food issues.

You're right about running. I run much faster when I'm a few pounds lighter. I always try and lose weight for half marathons and other races so I can beat my PB. I've got nothing until February now which is probably why I've fallen back into bad eating habits. Using the Christmas excuse far too much!
Seems everywhere I look at the moment there's temptation. Bastard time of year!

FlourFace Wed 05-Dec-12 21:50:12

If a Sunday roast keeps you full then eat things like that more often. You can have lean meat and potatoes roasted with spray oil and lots of vegetables. Better to have a big dinner with nutritional value than binge on chocolate. You could make stewed apples for pud with low fat custard too, with maybe a sprinkling of crumble.

Just a suggestion smile

Jossysgiants Wed 05-Dec-12 21:53:37

Hi, I think it depends on the area you are in - do you have a nice Gp? It would be worth asking at least. I once got some cbt on the nhs so there is provision but it does depend. Also I believe some counsellors have a sliding scale of rates based on what you can afford. Also some offer a free initial consultation.. I do think Christmas is a weird time - so much excess and lots of emotional issues. Also it's hard to refuse food without comments from people .

superstarheartbreaker Wed 05-Dec-12 22:14:47

I have eggs for breakfast; they really keep me full until lunch. I also have yougurt with muesli and fruit. A decent breakfast is key imo and not too many carbs at dinner. I snack on apples, cheese, ham etc. Low carb but I do eat fruit and veg. Good luck op!

gotthearse Wed 05-Dec-12 22:16:18

Spiralling, your descrption of a 'good day' does not sound like enough food for someone as active as you are. I think I would lose weight on that amount of food and I am totally sedentary. Perhaps more food on a normal day would help with the hunger pangs. Well done for having a good day smile

Spiralling0ut0fControl Thu 06-Dec-12 19:18:20

I do have a very nice GP. I wonder if she'd refer me...
I've had CBT on NHS before (for a different issue) which, quite frankly, was crap!

FlourFace I think what I meant by Sunday Roast was the Roast potatoes, Yorkshire puds, tonnes of sage and onion stuffing and a jug of gravy - all the stodgy "I'm going to burst" stuff. Unfortunately I'm not bothered about the rest and I can't do that everyday! I like your idea as a healthy alternative though, yum!

Superstar I agree about a good breakfast. I still find it very hard to find filling enough food. Porridge doesn't last me longer than 1.5 hrs and the one I have has added whey protein, so you'd think it'd be more sustaining.
Eggs are a good idea but I think I'd need a few to make me feel satisfied and they're quite calorie laden. Perhaps more egg whites and just one or two yolks might do it...

gotthearse I was originally on 1200 cals per day but increased it to 1400 as long term, 1200 is impossible to sustain. For my weight and height and that's about right in order to lose weight effectively (but slowly)

I've done another day almost. Had a few cravings earlier whilst passing the junk aisles in the supermarket and TKMaxx and all their huge boxes of Christmas treats by the counter (cue lots of staring and dribbling) but I just kept thinking "Sunday, Sunday, Sunday...."

VillaEphrussi Thu 06-Dec-12 19:31:03

I really feel for you, Spiralling, and, if it makes sense, I don't think this is really about food, but about guilt or some suppressed emotions? I only say that because it rings bells with me and the way I am. I think you're in a cycle of assessing yourself and your success/failure, and that thinking about your eating is like a a barometer for you, or a stick you beat yourself with. Sorry if that's way off-beam, but it sounds familiar to me. When I was a teenager I had this sort of thing (still do/always will prob, but it affects me less now), although in practical terms it was about not eating much and exercising, but the root of it was the same I think. I'm quite a private person and need a private/secret/internal life which I think is the stem of it all. Anyway I read a book called 'Naturally Slim Without Dieting' (I'll look it up in a minute) and I remember that helping me because IIRC it was about the emotional connection with food and how to help ourselves with that. You're not disgusting at all.

SrirachaGirl Thu 06-Dec-12 19:42:21

I had this when I was running a lot. You are probably burning a lot more calories than you think and ideally , running long distances should have you maintaing your weight , not losing, or you pit yourself at risk for injury. Try runnin no more than 5k at a time and take rest days in-between to lessen that insatiable runners appetite and ditch te low-cal stuff. Just eat normally but focus on maxizimgbyour nutrition with every bite. Things like nuts and Greek yogurt ate good snacks with a piece of fruit. You don't need to worry about the cals in a banana, silly. You're an athlete!

tiggy114 Thu 06-Dec-12 19:48:40

If you havn't already, take a look at the 5:2 thread. I honestly am a convert. Not only do you loose weight but it's good for your health. Plus i've found that my appitite has drastically reduced on my eating days too. Tale a peek. It might be for you.

Spiralling0ut0fControl Thu 06-Dec-12 20:26:16

Thanks for the advice!
Villa I'll look that book up now. I can't seem to attach any emotional reasons to the binge eating. I've thought and thought about it but it just seems to boil down to pure greed. I adore the taste and can't seem to get enough of it. I don't even feel sick if I eat too much. I can keep going and going. Whereas most people would feel sick after a large bag or even two of chocolate and/or sweets/biscuits etc. I am utterly amazed at the amount I can get through. I've always been the same. Even before I became a runner.
It does worry me as, even though I'm moderately slim, I have mid-high cholesterol (a family traight). I also worry about giving myself diabetes with all the sugar - is that possible?

SrirachaGirl If I stopped calorie counting I'd eat too much of the good stuff. Greek yogurt, I could get through a large tub easily and still want more. Same with nuts, seeds, fruit, whatever. I will eat too much therefore still gain weight, which is why I calorie count. I can still eat healthy foods but be in control of portion size.

tiggy I keep meaning to go over and have a look. Will check in a sec smile

SrirachaGirl Thu 06-Dec-12 20:34:23

I hear you smile. How about water? Are you making sure to drink lots?

Sorry about appalling typos in my last post...was typing on phone from my car!

Spiralling0ut0fControl Thu 06-Dec-12 20:46:39

I used to drink loads of water. I always struggle in the winter months for some reason. I suppose we're all much thirstier in the summer..
That is something I need to get back into for sure. I just want to drink hot drinks so end up drinking lots of coffee as I hate tea and not over fussed about herbal/fruit teas as I find they're not sweet enough. Hot Ribena on the other hand... <tsk>

beakysmum Thu 06-Dec-12 21:00:24

I agree with a couple of others; you've said that on a healthy day you eat about 460 calories for breakfast and lunch. In no way is this enough for someone who is running as much as you are! No wonder your body craves food.

I think if you ate more during the day, you would actually eat less in the evenings. Trouble is, I know this for myself, I have a great attitude all day, but by 8pm am eating everything in sight. I just can't make myself eat more during the day cos then I think I really will put on weight!
Eat as much as you want, so long as it's healthy foods, your body will sort it out (not sugar and processed crap).

And good luck! x

harrietspy Thu 06-Dec-12 21:09:30

Don't know if this helps, but I gave up sugar (except naturally occurring) for 5 months this year after being really worried about how much I was eating and thinking I was going to give myself diabetes hmm. I wasn't putting weight on, just eating really unhealthily and for all the wrong reasons. Happy to say more about this, but don't want to blather on unsoliticited!

cq Thu 06-Dec-12 21:12:03

Agree with Beakysmum.

I would forget about the calorie counting completely. For someone exercising as much as you are, it's pointless as you can never accurately measure calories burned.

Eat much much more protein, it will fill you up for longer, help control the sugar highs and lows, and help restore your body after a workout. Snack on nuts, bananas with peanut butter, hard boiled eggs, pieces of cheese, cold chicken, ham etc.

I definitely find that if I eat a decent lunch (rare) I have less afternoon 'slump' and fewer evening cravings.

These things work for me, along with just not having the crap in the house. Even the children have got used to it now, they know when we go out they can have a treat, some chocolate or Coke or whatever, so it's not forbidden fruit, but we just don't have it at home.

harrietspy Thu 06-Dec-12 21:17:22

Can I add oatcakes and dates to cq's list? Yes, dates are packed with sugar but definitely better than the processed kind. I also second no calorie counting and eggs for breakfast.

I have a similar thing where I am often very hungry and increasing protein makes a difference. When you describe your day, it sounds like you're eating a lot of processed food. Starbucks porridge, supermarket soup and ready meals in the evening.

When you describe the calorie counting, you sound scared that if you stop you'll be out of control - chances are you won't. Also a lot of your thinking seems quite black and white. Ask your GP to refer you for CBT again, I think you could benefit.

On a practical level I would not keep 'risky' foods in the house, shop online from a shopping list, reduce your exposure to advertising (easier than you think, for example mute the TV when adverts are on or record and then skip). Also it sounds like your DC eat very early - no wonder you go on to eat a lot more later. Could you gradually move their meal time a bit later and yours a bit earlier? Then you can all eat together and you might feel more motivated to cook.

Snowkey Fri 07-Dec-12 19:17:50

I think you are eating too little for the amount of running you are doing and you're body is fighting back. I exercise 5 times a week and I know this increases my desire for food....less running leaves me less hungry - your body cannot run fuel free.

ErikNorseman Sun 09-Dec-12 11:01:23

Hi, I'm struggling with 'food addiction'/overeating uncontrollably at the moment. i lost 1 stone in the spring/summer and have put on 7lbs back through out of control eating.
I know why I do it, sort of - food can have a soporific effect, and has always been my 'drug' of choice. Eating can cause a release of oxytocin that suppresses cortisol - even if I'm not feeling stressed or anxious, the association of food=feeling calm is so ingrained. I don't smoke, take drugs, and I can take or leave alcohol, so food is the only thing left. I'm 32 now and have had insight into this for about 7 years, during which time I have gone down to 9st 12, up to 14 stone after pregnancy and am stuck now between 12 and 13 stone. I aim to be 10.5.

The thing that I'm going to try is intermittent fasting. I am able to fast if I have a 'reward' at the end (I did ramadan this year with no problem) - what I struggle with is long term calorie restriction, it feels too much like a mountain to climb. I have only started today so I'll let you know how it goes if you are interested! I'm going to drink hot drinks during the day (tea/coffee no sugar, options etc) and have a decent meal in the evening. I'm hopeful that this might work...and it has some potential health benefits apart from weightloss.

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 19:29:59

Erik You sound very similar to me. Your chemical theory certainly makes a lot of sense.
Having read through all the posts and taken on board what everyone is saying. I'm going to give the intermittent fasting a whirl. Just obviously not run on the fasting days. I'm going to fast tomorrow and Friday, go for a run on Tuesday, Thursday and Friday and eat sensibly, without counting calories on normal days. Sunday's I will allow a bit of a food splurge.

I would join the 5:2 thread but I'm hopeless at keeping up with threads of that size!

Erok please keep me updated. I'll let you know how my first fasting day goes tomorrow. I just know I'm going to be starving by about 10am! At least it'll force me to get back into the water drinking habit smile

ErikNorseman Sun 09-Dec-12 20:14:46

Hey! I just posted on the 5:2 thread. They seem to be having great results! The day's fasting went fine, just now trying to ignore the compulsion to go and eat more confused I've just had a decent meal.
If I can give you a tip on the fasting - don't spread the food out over the day, it will make you more hungry. Just drink loads of hot drinks and save it all up for a 400/500 cal dinner. I find it so much easier if I tell myself I won't eat at all until 7pm, rather than try to stave off hunger all day with unsatisfyingly tiny meals.

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 20:20:02

Good plan!
In the past, I've found if I don't have breakfast I can last a lot longer without food.
But then it's drummed into us how breakfast is so important! confused

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 20:21:23

Well done for today by the way! And thank you for the tips.

What hot drinks did you have apart from coffee? I hate tea but I do have some fruit teas in the cupboard, although not a big lover of them....

Caladria Sun 09-Dec-12 20:26:03

1400 cal a day and 25k a week seems scarily little.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 09-Dec-12 20:31:54

Spiralling, I agree you don't seem to be eating enough for your exercise levels. Do you actually like the food you eat during the day? If not, maybe your body feels "punished" by it. Are you putting all your exercise into MFP? What weight loss per week are you targeting with MFP?

Do you know your body fat percentage?

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 20:54:49

Yes all exercise being entered into MFP.
I want to lose a good half a stone. I was managing fine on 1200 calories per day throughout the summer and I almost got down to the weight I wanted to be which is the first time I've ever done that. I felt full everyday and I was still running loads plus I was doing Jillian Michaels 30 Day Shred DVD almost daily! I've just become very lazy since the DS have been back at school and the colder weather made me hungry and it's just escalated from there.

Like I said above, I'm going to give the 5:2 a go and see what happens smile

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 20:55:26

I've no idea what my body fat percentage is. That's not BMI is it? I don't believe in that

Bubblegum78 Sun 09-Dec-12 21:00:19


I just wanted to say that I have been doing exactly the same thing!

I went from 73KG to 58KG with diet and exercise but like you I'm stuffing my face, I'm unstoppable, it's awful. :-(

I'm trying to put it down to time of year and I know in the new year I will have to be proactive.

The problem is, this stuff is so bloody addictive and you have to break the cycle, the more you eat the more you crave.

You are still running regularly so you really don't need to worry too much, get Xmas over with then, be strict with yourself...that's what I'm going to do. x

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 09-Dec-12 21:38:46

No it's not BMI, it's the percentage of your body weight that is fat (as opposed to muscle, organs etc). An average woman has 25-31%, a fit one 21-24%, I would think you'd be at the lower end.

If you have 1200-1400 cals a day to use, why are you using less than half for breakfast and lunch combined? Would your body feel less starved inthe evening if you spread them out more between lunch and dinner?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 09-Dec-12 21:39:34

By the way, why don't you believe in BMI?

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 21:47:41

How do you work out body fat?

I'm not convinced BMI is entirely accurate. It doesn't take into account muscle and frame/build.

Re calories, I like to save calories up so I can snack or have more choice for supper. Actually, now you've made me think about it, perhaps I should be having more of my daily calories for breakfast/lunch.... I will definitely think about trying that on my non fast days. I've now decided to calorie count after all on non fast days, but I will make sure I have at the very least 1400 per day. I might even go up to 1600 seeing as I'm fasting too days per week. I think that might be more realistic

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 21:48:26

*two not "too"!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 09-Dec-12 22:01:56

You can buy electric scales that measure body fat as well as weight, or one of your friends might have some scales like this?

I could be you. I have put on nearly a stone in the past couple of months through totally unstoppable eating. I hate it, I hate myself for doing it. I am getting married next year and all I can picture is a huge blob person waddling up the aisle.

I have an appointment this week to talk to my GP - I can't go on like this. I also wanted to caution you against the 5:2 thing - I put on weight doing it as it just gave me license to binge even more on the eating days.

I will be watching this thread with interest as I have tried every diet going - all work for a while but I always end up going back to the binge.

Spiralling0ut0fControl Sun 09-Dec-12 22:27:40

Oh no! Really? All I can find are positive 5:2 experiences.
I'll carry on doing MFP on the non fast days. If I don't calorie count I'll see it as free reign to eat way too much, like you said.

I'm tempted to go to my GP as well, but I'm not sure she'll take me seriously as she knows I run a lot and I'm not over weight at all. Yet, I hasten to add!

Can you let me know what your GP suggests?

Of course. I am not as active as you so that probably doesn't help!

domesticgodless Sun 09-Dec-12 23:00:43

hi, at risk of seeming really simplistic and patronising can I suggest something which on the surface is easy:

DO NOT BUY THE SWEET STUFF!! AND DO NOT BUY IT FOR THE DCS (I know that bit is the hardest)

the thing for me was to break the binging cycle. I was doing it too for years and at 18-35 or so weighed about a stone more than I do now (and was a couple of dress sizes bigger in most shops) despite being quite a bit more active.

The divorce stress diet (!) got the stone off but I kept it off (with some fluctuations) by realising that eating wasn't helping me emotionally; that it was not the worst thing to feel hungry; that if I didn't feel like eating at a set mealtime I did not have to; and by avoiding processed food and white flour completely for long periods. Including sugar.

I can promise you that when you do that, it's like cold turkey for a while and god you feel awful. But you just chow on 'rabbit food' and hot drinks which get rid of the worst pangs. For instance tonight I had just liver with salad (I am weird and like liver smile) and wanted to eat some carbs afterward but there was nothing at all to eat cos I didn't buy anything. So I had some decaff with a bit of milk and in 30 minutes I'd forgotten the urge to snack.

When I cut out sugar too, I lost the taste for it. For instance there is an unopened packet of chocolate biscuits in the cupboard I didn't open even though I wanted to snack, as they are just too sweet and cloying for me now.

I do have my weaknesses though: anything spicy and fresh/sour tastes like greek yogurt. I can devour entire containers of it easily.

domesticgodless Sun 09-Dec-12 23:02:02

I wonder about 5:2 too. People swear by it but I can't see how it can be so great to allow yourself free rein a few days a week if you have binging tendencies.

SrirachaGirl Sun 09-Dec-12 23:25:33

Just wanted to add OP that when I was in my twenties and running that much, I had to binge eat (healthy foods) just to maintain my weight. I think it's your body's way of getting what it needs to repair, recover, maintain fertility or whatever. You didn't say how old you are but I know that my appetite is quite different now that I'm in my late-ish grin thirties. But then I also don't run as many clicks because my crumbly, old bones don't like it. I'm a big believer in listening to your body and as you're far from sedentary it doesn't sound like you have over-eating issues (you'd have to stop all activity to get a true baseline for that, I suppose). Try just keeping healthy stuff in the house for a while and see what happens? That doesn't mean low-cal, low-fat...full-fat yog is OK as are lots of nuts and good-quality dark choc and thinks like avocado and hummus. I ate embarrassingly large quantities of those when I was really hard-core running and still maintained my weight. Just ditch things like biscuits, cake and other empty calories as those do nothing for you, as you know.

ErikNorseman Mon 10-Dec-12 07:22:51

That is a worry with the 5:2 and it needs bearing in mind. But IMO no weightloss plan will be successful if we aren't mindful of our food issues and pay attention to what is going on in our heads as well as on the scales.

ErikNorseman Mon 10-Dec-12 07:40:35

And it's not the diet that makes you lose weight, it's you!

Spiralling0ut0fControl Mon 10-Dec-12 17:30:06

Day one of 5:2 going well so far!
Weighed myself this morning and have put on a good half a stone in about three weeks! That's with all the running too so the over-eating was clearly major over-eating!

Perhaps a bit of "starvation" here and there should re-program me to slow down.... Had a Miso soup at lunchtime and been guzzling fruit/Green teas and water all day and plan to have my 500 cal meal in an hour or so, then go to bed early so I don't get a snack attack later.

Nice big run in the morning planned then a good healthy bowl of homemade muesli to look forward to.
I mean business this time! smile

ErikNorseman Tue 11-Dec-12 05:53:31

Well done! I'm feeling positive too. I are about 750 cals on Sunday in the end, slight miscalculation! I'm feeling up for it though!

Spiralling0ut0fControl Tue 11-Dec-12 12:27:30

Don't worry about Sunday, it was a great start!
When's your next fast day? I'm thinking Friday.... I feel good after yesterday although didn't manage a run this morning as it was PAINFULLY cold and I'm a wuss. Sitting in a nice warm coffee shop with friends appealed to me far more brew
I think I need to give myself a break from running whilst it's so cold. I did three half marathons with only two weeks between each in Sept/Oct so I feel like a bit of a breather. Still feel bad for not running though.

I'm off to Sainsburys in a bit with DS to find some lovely healthy ingredients to make decent grub for all of us. No more sugar or refined carbs (especially for yours truly)
I plan to push their supper time an hour later everyday so we can eat at least one nice meal together (DS2 will probably go on hunger strike as he's the fussiest child I've ever known but, meh.... That's up to him isn't it). I hope I can stick to it. I just hate cooking in my tiny tiny kitchen. It frustrates me hugely!

Well, GP not terribly helpful so far... He is going to see if I can be referred for anything and let me know. He also said I might need blood tests to check I don't have any deficiencies in anything.

I do feel better having spoken about it though - biggest fear was that he would laugh it off as greed sad

Spiralling0ut0fControl Tue 11-Dec-12 19:01:20

That sounds positive littlemissstan. Tests will be useful, you never know...
It does feel good to talk it through too. I feel better from starting this thread. It's been very helpful and has helped me to get back on the right track.
I've not been calorie counting today and have eaten very sensibly and healthily despite the fast yesterday. Although I do have half a box of After Eights in the fridge calling me....
Actually, I'm lying. I've just remembered I had a mince pie and a lovely glass of mulled wine at the DS's school Christmas fair this afternoon. But I can't live a life of no treats, it's unrealistic and, well, it's Christmas smile

Thanks Spiralling. I have been reading a book which says that one of the main things is to get out of the mindset that there is 'good' and 'bad' food - the theory being that if you stop making things bad then you want them less - I can see the theory but putting it into practice is harder smile

Still, yesterday was sensible eating, though with a work dinner out - smoked salmon and steak - but it's more about getting over the secret bingeing for me than controlling actual 'normal' meals too much. And today sat at my desk with porridge with pomegranate bits mixed in whilst my colleagues tuck into the ever-accumulating pile of biscuits and chocolate we're being sent at the mo - we'll see how well it goes!

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