Week 8 - Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - One Fat Lady? Not here!

(339 Posts)
BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 08:14:23

Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness is here

Hope everyone is doing well.

I haven't weighed this morning - was a little bit distracted by a phone call from my lovely SIL in Australia, to announce the safe arrival of Gabriel Paul and Nell Florence Jean! Gabriel weighed 5lbs 2oz and Nell 4lbs 10oz, so good weights to say they are 3 weeks early.

So I'm a great aunty grin

Themumsnot Mon 19-Nov-12 08:18:39

Off to a job interview in a min, but I weighed in and had made a 3lb loss after plateauing last week so that's a cheerful note to go off on!
Good luck to everyone, we're on the the downhill stretch now!

Themumsnot Mon 19-Nov-12 08:18:59

Ohh, congrats BIWI!

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 08:19:18

Great start to the week, Themumsnot! And good luck with that interview.

cathyandclaire Mon 19-Nov-12 08:21:51

Congratulations to Great Aunty Biwi!!
And smaller congrats to me as I'm back to target grin and have been hovering on and below there all week. So thanks Biwi thanks Bootcamp really works!

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 08:24:53

Brilliant news!

dollyxdaydreamer Mon 19-Nov-12 08:30:39

Congratulations Biwi!
And what lovely names

Please can I be re-added to the spreadsheet? as if i've never been away

oh how lovely biwi!

well done to ilovemyteddy too

my random 3lb drop was the scales playing silly buggers as i thought - back up 2lb but still net 1lb loss so not complaining

away a lot with work this week so not sure how well i will be able to do, but we'll see

hurricanewyn Mon 19-Nov-12 09:13:34

Congrats great-auntie thanks - what great weights for twins who are early.

Almost 5lbs off for me! Back to basics really worked this week smile

Ilovemyteddy Mon 19-Nov-12 09:14:10

Congrats Great Aunt BIWI! thanks

WineGless Mon 19-Nov-12 09:18:58

Congrats to BIWI and family! Glad to hear they have arrived safely.
1lb off for me this week and back at the gym. Meds are settling down a little so hoping by being good the scales will whoosh. I am surprised my no alcohol November is not having more impact on the scales

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 09:21:09

I'm not loving the 'great aunt' bit quite so much grin

Brilliant loss, hurricane!

Glad to hear you have lost, Wine, and it's good news about the meds. It could be that the meds are having an impact though?

Jacaqueen Mon 19-Nov-12 09:33:33

Lovely news BIWI.

WineGless you are doing so well with no alcohol. I did say I was going to abstain too, but life keeps getting in the way.

Food was a bit random over the weekend but no damage done. I weighed last Tuesday and liked what I saw, so I will update tomorrow.

My back is a lot better but I still have a horrible chesty cough. I am slightly panicking about my lack of Christmas preparation and the general state of the house so I will really need to get my arse in gear this week, regardless of how crap I feel.

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 09:45:06

I tried on my tightest/newest gym t-shirt this morning, and the results weren't too bad! I reckon I have half a stone to go now.

Picture on my profile!

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 10:12:46

Well done BIWI

Have passed this thread on to my friend who is starting out with the low carb way of life. She wants to know if she's allowed salami, pepperoni or chorizo?

Boobz Mon 19-Nov-12 10:15:55

Look at those lovely skinny legs Biwi! I would kill for those legs. I am 5"2 and my legs are like stumps. Even if I get under 8 stone I reckon I will still have big thighs (grrr).

116 today for me, so another 1lb off, for a total of 13.6lbs off since Oct 1st. Am chuffed it's still going down, but a bit annoyed it's only 1lb for the last couple of weeks. I need a 2lb off next week I reckon, to remotivate me, so am going to be utlra strict this week (guests arriving on Monday as well so the wine will flow a bit - best try and be as prepared as I can!)

Thank you hurricane for saying I am nice. I think I am a bit of a tit, so it's nice when someone says your not!

2pumpkins - This WOE has worked for me, but only in as much as I am doing strict portion control at the same time. If I was just cutting out carbs and eating all the fat/protein I liked, then I am sure my results would have been a lot less good. I am doing the Zone diet (which is very similar to LCing, but with strict portion control and it's way more presciptive of what amounts of protein, fat and carb you can have). Results on my profile pic (and I am about half way through the diet now - I plan to keep going until Mid Jan).

Well done everyone! Here's to a great week for everyone!

2pumpkins Mon 19-Nov-12 10:21:07

Morning All, thanks so much for all your replies. I love reading about all the highs & lows & def feel it will keep me motivated!!
Well done to all those who have lost.....woohoo
Congrats BIWI, what lovely news......I have to say it bought a tear to my eye as I am a mummy to 2yr old twins & it made me think of them when they were that tiny!!

I've also read the recipe thread & some of the food sounds so yummy, think I'm gonna do big mushrooms with pancetta & cheese for dinner tonight.......mmm delish!!

Hope everyone has a good day.

NewStartSameStory Mon 19-Nov-12 10:21:30

Congratulations Aunty BIWI!

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 10:27:45

Salami, pepperoni and chorizo are all allowable - but not every meal/every day, as they are pretty processed.

caramelwaffle Mon 19-Nov-12 10:28:51

Congratulations BIWI
and well done on your overall weight loss.
Such slim legs!

Good luck mumsnot

Back on the herbal teas for me.

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 10:29:03

Boobz Your photos look fab smile How tall are you BTW?

MsRinky Mon 19-Nov-12 11:05:27

Yay, 2lb off.

So, I am now under 90kg (weigh in metric) and under 200lbs. I am pleased about the 200lb thing, as in american cop shows, the "perps" always seems to be described as "a big guy... 6 foot, 200lbs", which is very sobering when you're a 5'2 woman and weigh more than that...

Gulp. Onwards and downwards.

MsRinky Mon 19-Nov-12 11:06:11

5'3 ! I am 5'3 really. That extra inch is precious !

Doshusallie Mon 19-Nov-12 11:06:47

Morning all. Weighing tomorrow. Hopefully it will be 9 2, my maintenance weight.

Alpro yoghurt for brekafast. Am on a major go slow today, didn't sleep very well last night.

Congrats to all losers! And big Congrats Great Auntie BIWI!!! grin

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 11:20:33

Just realised that the photo makes me look a bit top heavy - I haven't got skinny legs, really!

Boobz Mon 19-Nov-12 11:51:17

Nappyaddict I am about 5"2. Might be 5"3 on a good day.

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 11:56:20

I thought you looked like a similar size/shape to me smile

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 11:56:43

(I'm 5 foot 3 and maybe a half grin)

JessicaWakefield Mon 19-Nov-12 12:04:57

Many congratulations BIWI, what a blessing you must be thrilled!

Well done Ilove it's brilliant when you make a number breakthrough like that and your weight loss is such a great testimony to how well this woe works.

Ewan really sorry to hear that the paediatrician's advice didn't have a better result. Really hope DS grows into his sleep.

Vnmum belated happy birthday to you. Hope you had a great day!

I'm three pounds down this morning and at target but am saying that really quietly and not adding it to the spread sheet yet as I'm not sure if it's true or whether it's because of my vomiting virus last week. That said I've been eating and drinking normally since Wednesday so fingers crossed. If it's still there tomorrow will accept that today's reading wasn't a a cruel mirage!

HumphreyCobbler Mon 19-Nov-12 12:07:14

Congratulations BIWI - All my favourite names too!

I was thinking about this WOE all this morning and feeling quite emotional blush. I have realised that I am actually thin now. Properly thin with no bulgy bits. I still have not weighed myself and I possibly won't bother as I need new scales and can't be arsed to buy them.

But I have stopped thinking about my weight all the time, because I don't need to.

I have stopped mentally processing every single item of food that goes in my mouth, because I have managed to stop emotional eating, stop the cravings, stop the gain and lose half a stone cycle I was trapped in.

My DH is now totally on board after reading Briffa in fact keeps irritatingly telling me stuff I already know

Thank you everyone. I feel that it was a lucky day for me that I clicked on these threads. I was so upset after my miscarriage and feeling as if I had gained all that weight for no reason (of course the weight thing was the least important part but still very significant for me). I now hope that I would be able to be pregnant without eating wheat or sugar and am considering trying again for a baby. I have a hunch that I wouldn't suffer so badly if I was lucky enough to get pregnant again.

Oh and my breath doesn't smell so bad anymore either grin

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 12:08:52

Humphrey - what a lovely post! And well done you.

Oh humph that's lovely. So sorry about your mc but pleased that this woe has helped you

Bravo msrinky te milestones do help spur you along!

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 12:46:08


Nappyaddict's friend here. Very happy about being able to make my beef and salami stew smile

Are we allowed coleslaw (the one I have is 5.5g per 100g but I may be able to buy it with a lower carb value from somewhere else) or vinegar of any kind?

Piffle Mon 19-Nov-12 13:00:36

Weighed in and 1lb off:-)

Congrats Auntie BIWI!

hurricanewyn Mon 19-Nov-12 13:15:31

Humph - your post brought a tear to my eye. I'm really wishing hard for a bfp for you. Ans lots of fun while TTC wink

hurricanewyn Mon 19-Nov-12 13:17:26

nappyaddict's friend - coleslaw is fine. Full fat & as low carb as you can find.

Vinegar's fine too, except balsamic as it's quite sweet.

Boobz Mon 19-Nov-12 13:24:41

Lovely post Humph.

How much do you weigh then nappyaddict - and what is your target? I keep lowering mine! I have a friend (who posts gorgeous pics on FB) who is the same height as me and always looks so toned and thin - am trying to emulate her (but daren't ask how much she weighs...)

cathyandclaire Mon 19-Nov-12 13:31:09

Nappy addict and Booz... Another shortarse with stumpy legs here! What weight do you think is right for you? Mr dukan said 8'6 to me but I've settled for a bit below that...the truth is I want to be elegant and willowy but that just isn't ever going to happen with my body, even if I was a skeleton! But Boobz, surely you'll disappear if you keep going til Jan?

Doshusallie Mon 19-Nov-12 13:36:42

I love the name Nell it would have been my girl name.

Lunch was cucumber, tuna, mayo, salad leaves, chicken leg, one boiled egg, half a chunk of cheese.

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 13:55:53

I weigh more than your start weight - 9 stone 12 at the moment. I think I want to be 9 stone. I was naturally 8 stone 7 pre-pregnancy, could eat whatever I wanted and not put any weight on, but looking back at photos I think I looked far too skinny, I just didn't see it at the time.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Mon 19-Nov-12 13:56:38

Gosh so much to catch up on!!

Firstly, many congrats to GA Biwi lovely names!!
And congrats to ilove for hitting the BMI 25, that's a great marker! And mrsrinky yay too!
And well done to all the other losers!
humph fab post, all the very very best for ttc-ing.

1.5 lbs off for me this morning, which means that, in old money, I am now back in the 10 stone something range!!! Ok it's 10 stone 13.5, but hey, it counts right? wink surprised and chuffed as I didn't feel like I'd lost. I'm 5'8" if anyone is wondering.

Onwards, onwards.....

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 14:10:27

Welcome, nappyaddict's friend! Vinegar is 0 carbs - apart from balsamic, which is very carby, so should be avoided as much as possible. Beware, though, that it's often used in restaurant dressings as people like it so much. Or if they don't use balsamic, they put bloody honey in the dressing!

Another short arse here - I'm also 5ft 2in. I was 8 stone 11 when I got married (picture also on my profile), but

a) that was 22 years ago
b) I seem to be a different shape and able to carry a bit more weight since I had children

I'm aiming to get down to 9 stone, and will make a decision then whether or not to (try) and go any further. It's coming off so slowly, though, that it will be months before I get that far.

Boobz Mon 19-Nov-12 14:10:50

cathyandClaire - I want to keep going until I have absolutely no fat on my legs (I have knee fat!) and no fat on my hips at all. I want to have a 6 pack and a nice lean and toned back and arms, and I reckon losing another 8-10lbs will achieve this. That will make me about 8 stone exactly, or just under.

I am doing P90X (a home work out DVD), Bikram yoga and running about 40km a week as well. I appear to have become a tad obsessed with getting in to shape. I have had to give my body over to three pregnancies, births and breastfeeding, lasting since July 2008 until I stopped feeding my youngest 3 months ago in August 2012 (3 babies in 3 years!) and now I feel like it's my turn to get back to being me and MY body again. Hence the new diet and all the exercise.

By mid Jan I hope to be the best I can possibly be (without a boob job - no amount of dieting or exercise is going to restore them to their former glory I am sad to say!) and then it will be about maintenance (relaxing the phys and even the diet a little bit - I miss my wine too much!)

What weight have you settled for?

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 14:13:16

So are rice vinegar, white/red wine vinegar, apple cider vinegar ok?

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 14:22:01

see here for info on wine/cider vinegar - suggests there are no carbs

Rice vinegar appears to vary - best check the label, I think.

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 14:23:37

I have Yutaka rice vinegar, and it has 6.4g carbs per 100ml.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 19-Nov-12 15:01:14

Well done to all the losers.

Fantastic post, Humphrey (((hugs)))

So many people struggle with emotional eating - it was reading the IPD Diet book that really brought it home to me that I was an emotional eater and that this WOE would work for me.

Well done, MsRinky on getting under 200lbs. It's brilliant, isn't it, and makes such a difference to see the numbers in the 100s. Onwards and downwards for you now smile

12lbs to go for me now to reach the target I set myself back in January. What I really need to do is more exercise to try and tone up as my skin is getting loose (eww!) Seeing a personal trainer at the weekend (oh how I hate exercise!) It's got to be done...

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 15:19:34

I'll leave out rice vinegar then and stick to wine/cider vinegar. Thanks for your help smile

Does anyone know the lowest carb coleslaw available?

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 15:23:14

Just remembered that I did some research into coleslaw for LittleFrieda, a while ago! Here is what I found on the Sainsbury's website:

From the Sainsbury's website alone:

Basics CS - 3.7g carbs per 100g
Taste the Difference CS - 4.8g carbs per 100g
Taste the Difference West Country Cheddar CS - 5.1g carbs per 100g
Deli Style CS - 5.4 g carbs per 100g
Jalapeno CS - 5.6g carbs per 100g
Be Good To Yourself - 6.2g carbs per 100g
Cheese CS - 6.5g carbs per 100g
Mango & Chilli CS - 7.2g carbs per 100g
Peanut Satay CS - 8.7g carbs per 100g

So Sainsbury's Basics it is! (Or make your own - then it will be additive-free)

nappyaddict Mon 19-Nov-12 15:56:04

I usually have balsamic vinegar and olive oil as a salad dressing and the other members of the family dip their crusty bread in it. Does anyone know which type of vinegar would be the best substitute for balsamic vinegar in this case?

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 17:07:48

Why not just dip into a really good extra virgin olive oil?

For a dressing, red wine vinegar is my favourite.

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 17:20:51

BTW - baby pics now on my profile!

AuntieMaggie Mon 19-Nov-12 17:50:27

Congrats BIWI and nice pics smile

I had a couple of bad days last week so am not going to weigh for the time being. My trousers and knickers are still falling down but I feel bloated after having pizza and alcohol... the alcohol was planned the pizza wasn't... I was so knackered after driving for 6 hours that I got pizza from the shop next to the hotel and went to bed...

I promise I'm back on it tomorrow sad

I'm up north again next week mainly newcastle so fingers crossed I can stick to it tho considering bootcamping when I come back ready for my xmas nights out.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 19-Nov-12 17:51:25

Aw they are gorgeous!

AuntieMaggie Mon 19-Nov-12 17:53:30

Watching Jamies 15 min meals and he's making lakska (?) what would be a good substitute for butternut squash?

halfthesize Mon 19-Nov-12 18:01:17

BIWI congratulations on becoming a Great Aunt, they look so cute and you look amazing in your pic.grin

vnmum belated happy birthday, hope you had a fab day.

Well done all on your losses they are greatsmile

I sts today, no surprises really. I'm off into hospital tomorrow for an operation so wont be around for a few dayswink

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 18:13:06

Sorry to hear that, halfthesize. Hope all goes well. Hope the hospital food is reasonable!

halfthesize Mon 19-Nov-12 18:20:36

Thanks BIWI I'm hoping to only be in for 1 night, so have stocked up on nice LC things that DH can cooksmile

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 19-Nov-12 18:26:54

Congratulations Biwi, babes are gorgeous.
Well done all losers, everyone is doing so well. I'm a couple of pounds down I think but only because I have had a lousy couple of weeks so really back where I was at end of October.
DH is trying to join me now. It's a toughie because he gets quite grumpy without carbs and is a bit of a comfort eater but so far so good.

Teddy well done! I always thought the BMI chart was rubbish. But then I had to realise it was probably only rubbish if you were a weight-lifter or rugby player..... think I just didn't like what it was telling me!

Great *Aunt BIWI grin those babies are so cute and what gorgeous names. Am jealous of your slim thighs and legs. Think we're about the same weight now - 9.7? - but I'm carrying everything on bum and thighs. Boobs have GONE. Sob.

Humph lovely post and fingers crossed for some positive news for you soon.

wine. Well done on the abstemious month!

B: Coffee with cream and Berroca in pint of water. (Not hungry)

L: Ham, cheese and egg with salad and mayo.

D: Celeriac, cabbage, cauliflower and spinach mashed and topped with cheese, in the oven until crispy and bubbling. Bacon I think or could be lamb chops. Such decisions on this woe. grin

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 18:46:07

I like the sound of your dinner, Singing

Hi everyone, a pound and a half off for me this week (ignores the fact that it's the pound and a half I put on last week)

Determined to make a real go of it this week, DP has a lot on work wise so he's a lot less likely to tempt me into a sneaky glass of wine or 3 smile

MajorBumsore Mon 19-Nov-12 19:06:28

Hi, can I join your thread? I'm 5'6" and weigh 11st 6. That's the heaviest I've ever been apart from when pregnant.
Starting low carbing today and was wondering if you could tell me if this sounds ok?
Breakfast-3 eggs scrambled with full fat milk, cup of tea with full fat milk
Snack- 2 sticks. Celery and saint agur spreadable
Lunch- celery and saint agur soup with double cream
Snack- apple (I don't think I'm allowed this) 4 slices pepperoni and three pieces of grilled chicken breast from pack
Another snack- was bloody starving- Greek yoghurt 2 tablespoons and some mixed berries (not sure about these either)
Cup of tea, full fat milk
Dinner- chicken breast stuffed with mozzarella, basil and half a tomato, mushrooms and courgettes cooked in butter and double cream with Parmesan, half a yellow pepper cooked in olive oil
Feel stuffed!

Piffle Mon 19-Nov-12 19:36:15

Hello :0)

Generally milk is a no no, though I have tea with semi skim 3 x a day because I've given up so much and that is my last bastion... plus tea did not make me fat smile
Same for yoghurt though I have Greek Total yoghurt as a dressing...

Also 6 weeks ago I was 11st 3
I am now 10st 4 smile

Good luck

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 19:39:52

Major - you are very welcome to join! However, you clearly need to read the rules grin

If you click on the link to the spreadsheet that I have posted in the opening post of this thread, you will see that one of the tabs at the bottom has all the Bootcamp rules (there are only 10). Follow these rules and you will be fine!

But to deal with your post anyway:

Cut down on the milk - you don't need it in scrambled eggs - as it gets carby very quickly.

Make sure you are adding enough fat to your meals - don't grill your chicken, fry it in butter/oil.

Definitely lose the apple and the berries! Fruit isn't allowed on Bootcamp.

You are also eating a lot of dairy - milk, cream, cheese and yoghurt. You may be fine with it, but lots of people find that it impedes weight loss.

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 19:44:59

And Major, once you get into it you will find that are not hungry at all!

Welcome major! Would you like to be added to the spreadsheet?

Schnnnnnnnggggg at those gorgeous babies. And biwi as someone hefty of bottom and thighs I am very jealous of your legs too!

Hope your op goes well halfthesize

Hello! I stayed the same in the end, so not too bad. Not many plans this week or next weekend hopefully so can stay on track.

I cooked the butter chicken again tonight and had it with celeriac mash (first time for that) and broccoli.

I ended up not eating anything until dinner what with one thing and another, I doubt it did me much harm though based on my weekend's consumption.

Ilove - well done on your BMI, that is brilliant!

BIWI - congrats on becoming a great auntie twice over.

halfthesize - hope all goes well tomorrow.

Waves at everyone else, I am bound to have missed something...

sybilfaulty Mon 19-Nov-12 19:52:07

Lovely babies, BIWI> Congratulations.

I am not weighing this week as it's just before my period when I blow up like a balloon. I am trying to drink as much water and eat LC, so I hope this will make the bloat go eventually

Well done to all the losers this week.

MajorBumsore Mon 19-Nov-12 20:05:29

Thanks for that. Will read rules.

hurricanewyn Mon 19-Nov-12 20:41:23

Evening all - BIWI those babies are beautiful & I'm another one who's jealous of your legs.

I went to Ikea today to buy four specific things & nothing else at all. I was determined. Somehow managed to spend £100 & came out with none of my four things confused

Had lunch there - had a bowl of pumpkin soup & a bowl of salad. However, the soup tasted floury & the beetroot in my salad tasted sweet so I've no idea how carby they were.

Dinner was left over pork in a bolognaise sauce with marscapone stirred through it and some courgette ribbons.

Need to glug some more water now.

Brasssection Mon 19-Nov-12 21:00:48

Well down to all the losers. Harcombe seems to suit me though I still feel guilty eating porridge. I'm not eating any white carbs at all and don't really miss them any more, except pizza.

BIWI: the twins are gorgeous and so are your legs envy

Viperidae Mon 19-Nov-12 21:02:28

Congrats to all for weight loss, babies and everything!

I weighed on Friday and was 3lbs down! grin After my weekend I don't think weighing today would have been advisable so am claiming my Friday weight and it will keep me focussed this week.

It's not going to be an easy week as I am working all day tomorrow and have a meeting with lunch provided (we never know what we are getting till the rep arrives with it, it can range from gorgeous platters of cold meats, salads, etc to Value range sandwiches and doughnuts!) and I am out at a lunch event on Wed with a set menu 3 course meal.

coldcat Mon 19-Nov-12 21:11:14

Well done all you losers - especially those who have reached target. Really envious as I've weighed in the same now for several weeks in a row..... maybe need to cut back dairy and cut out the odd berries I'm having. Or maybe I need to fast a couple of days...has anyone tried this to get over a plateau? Have been really poor on the exercise front as well - just wondering how much exercise per week you gals are doing - and what exercise? Everyone I know seems to be running but its not for me -

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 21:20:32

Definitely try giving up the dairy and berries.

I go to the gym twice a week, for an hour each time with a personal trainer, and I also try and go at least once more on my own. Today I went on my own and did:

- 10 minutes on the treadmill to warm up; incline starting at 11 and rising to 13. Speed 5.5 rising to 5.8.
- 10 minutes on the crosstrainer, level 12, random setting
- 3 different weights machines - chest press (20kg), low row (35kg) and lat pull-down (20kg) (12 of each, repeated 3 times)
- 3 different stomach exercises (sit ups, leg raises, one I don't know how to describe!) and the plank
- 10 minutes on the exercise bike, manual setting, level 7

I am much kinder to myself than my personal trainer is! I do High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) with him, on the rower or the crosstrainer or the bike. Sometimes we do Vipr work, sometimes the TRX and various Swiss ball exercises.

vnmum Mon 19-Nov-12 21:25:13

Thanks for all the belated b'day wishes.

biwi congratulations and you are looking good in the pic.

Well done to all losers and welcome all newbies.

Hope the op goes well half

I have not weighed today after my horrendous week. Just hope my body thinks i'm starting a new diet and drops loads this week (well, i can live in hope)

boobz you sound like me. Ideally i want a six pack and no fat on my hips or thighs and want to look lean and toned but i'm not sure if i will achieve it now i seem to have less time to exercise. Also my boobs are beyond repair too grin

MajorBumsore Mon 19-Nov-12 21:57:21

Sorry guys another question (promise I will also give to the thread once I get going!!). Am presuming a very dry sparkling wine like prosecco is also lower in carbs (like champagne) than other alcohol? I have a dinner party on sat, which is going to be a bloody nightmare on this diet as it is (think she's cooking chicken Biryani) without not being able to have even a small amount of alcohol to boot.

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 22:03:23

You will be very pleased to know that it is!

Biryani will be hopeless though grin

Doshusallie Mon 19-Nov-12 22:08:33

Tea was that tescos fish ready meal I linked to before, with leeks, mushrooms and courgettes stir fried with cream cheese. Lush.

MajorBumsore Mon 19-Nov-12 22:18:57

I know, I'm going to have to pick out the little bits of chicken, throw the rice on the floor and drink the prosecco-thank god for the prosecco. Bet she does cheesecake for pud too!

BIWI Mon 19-Nov-12 22:19:50

Can you not tell her that you're low carbing, and see if you could have your curry just as chicken and sauce, before she mixes it with the rice?

And offer to take cheese round for a cheeseboard.

MegTheCat Mon 19-Nov-12 22:35:15

Just had a look at the spreadsheet - looks like some good solid losses this week - well done everyone! My scales have packed up altogether so can't weigh today. Will plan to get some new ones later in the week (or maybe dh can mend the old ones) so don't archive me, please!

Congrats on being a great-auntie BIWI. Lovely babies

I seem to be losing my sweet tooth on this woe. I did a party for ds2's birthday on Sat, tried a strawberry dipped in the chocolate fountain and it was far too sweet. I did myself some whipped cream and had that with the strawberries instead (to help me resist all the cake etc etc). I definitely felt tempted to eat the rubbish sugary stuff but not because I really wanted it - just so that it wouldn't be wasted.

MajorBumsore Mon 19-Nov-12 22:36:43

I think she's doing a proper one, where you cook the rice in layers along with the rice. It'll be ok, I'll just pick at it and make some excuse. She 's getting stressed about it and is a good mate, so I'd rather fall off the wagon than add to her angst

Viperidae Tue 20-Nov-12 00:15:12

Major I know it slows down my progress but I have decided that I want to enjoy my life so I do the WOE as well as I can whenever I can but when life gets in the way I just let myself enjoy it without guilt then go back to it. Interestingly I am finding my urge to cheat is far weaker than it has been on previous dietsand, when I do cheat, it is much less spectacular than previously too.

Meg My sweet tooth is fading too. I made carbfree ice cream for a special treat last week and it was way too sweet. Next time I will try yoghurt or add a few raspberries.

Out for Indian tonight, I think I will go for lamb shashlik

captainmummy Tue 20-Nov-12 08:24:16

Congrats on the babies BIWI - instant family!

Halfthesize - hope the op goes well.

Have updated the spreadsheet - in how-many-weeks I have lost a grand total of 0.5lb! Actually after the last few weekends, I'm amazed. Still, it's down, yay!

Well done to all the losers.

Morning all,

You know you're a true low carber when .......

You have last night's left over vegetables reheated for breakfast. Yum. DH's face was a picture though especially when I lobbed some mayo on them. grin

half hope the op goes well, get well soon.

BIWI I've just looked at the Briffa day and hovered on buying a ticket thinking oh sod it I want to go trains or not but you can't buy a ticket. Says 'Ended'. confused

Doshusallie Tue 20-Nov-12 09:32:41

Morning all.

You know you're a true low carber when.....

you see a thread saying "shall I eat a whole box of Toffifee for lunch?" and have to sit on your hands not to reply with "Why would you want to eat something so revolting when you can have bacon and eggs?"

Alpro yoghurt this morning for brekkie. Am, as predicted, 9 2. Very happy with that. (If you knew how much gin I am drinking you would be happy with that too grin)

DSes and I are counting christmas songs on the radio, have heard 4 so far! LOVE IT!!!

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 10:03:55

Oh no, Singing! Send PatrickMumsnet a PM and ask if you can go - I know he was chasing around for more people to sign up.

I'm still 9,7 1/2, which I'm pleased about as there was a lot of wine this weekend blush

I'd very much like to see 9.6 if I can by next week sometime, then I can enter '60kg' into all the gym machines!

Ok will email him although he never replied to my last one querying the venue. <huff>

Dosh, I heard Michael Buble on Chris Evans this morning. Made me feel so Christmassy. I love, love, love Christmas. [Grin]. So far made the vodka, cake and two puddings.

halfthesize Tue 20-Nov-12 10:30:59

Morning All, so I get to hospital this morning at 7am, wait for 2 hours and now am back home. Operation cancelled due to massive amount of serious emergencies taken through the night in A&E. No beds left!! angry not their fault but so annoying!

So just had a lovely coffee and now cooking bacon and egg. singing I love all the christmas songssmile

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 10:35:03

Singing - send him a PM rather than an e-mail - that should provoke a response!

half - sorry you've been stood down. When do you go back in?

halfthesize Tue 20-Nov-12 10:41:46

They are going to call me this afternoon to re-book, they wanted to do it in December, but I will prob re schedule for Januarysmile Up side I can get back to the gym for a little while longer.

Doshusallie Tue 20-Nov-12 10:55:15

I was listening too Singing, (radio 2 listener since Chris Moyles left Radio 1, can't bear Nick Grimshaw), I too adore Christmas, I don't start playing my own Christmas music in the car till December, but love hearing it on the radio!

I have made my cake. Am planning to make mince pies too at some point. Will not clove my oranges too early this year as they were all mouldy by Christmas Day last year!

cathyandclaire Tue 20-Nov-12 11:25:42

Fab photos Boobz and Biwi!
Boobz, in answer to your question (this thread moves so quickly it was a couple of pages back) I settled at 8 2, so lost a stone in total. This Bootcamp thing is addictive though and I'd LOVE to have no fat on my hips and thighs (and butt grin) but I'm loads older than you (45) and am worried I'll start to look haggard and my knees will be even saggier if I go lower.
I have been brave too and uploaded slightly cringey before and after low-carbing photos. I started a bit before bootcamp 3 months ago lurking on the previous threads and trying Dukan, it has made a difference and I feel way better. I just hope I can be sensible over Christmas and not blow it...I'm a bit all-or-nothing!

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 11:33:21

cathy - those photos of you 'before' are equally something I would happily settle at! At 9.7, I'm still carrying obvious weight around my middle, and also around my back/tops of my arms.

But I'm starting to see some definition on my abdomen now, when I suck everything in, you can definitely see the muscles developing underneath there!

SkaffenAmtiskaw Tue 20-Nov-12 11:34:42

Hi all, finally got my wii back so was able to weigh myself, a disappointing 1lb off (although I suppose it's better than 1lb on!).

I haven't been able to exercise as much as I'm used to because of an injury so that hasn't helped. Also find that the booze consumption has been slowly tricking up...

I definitely need to sign in to these threads more often as it helps keeping me on the straight and narrow!

Willie could you please put me back on the spreadsheet? Thanks

So breakfast was an omelette with bacon, swiss chard, a slug of cream and a bit of cheese. For lunch I'll have a bit of leftover sausage stew from last night. Dinner: don't know yet. Fish possibly.

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 11:39:17

Welcome back, Skaffen! A pound off is still a pound - two packs of lard, if that helps you visualise it?

SkaffenAmtiskaw Tue 20-Nov-12 12:25:37

Yes of course you're right BIWI! <perks up> You're a great motivator! smile

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 12:36:06


Boobz Tue 20-Nov-12 12:50:04

cathy - your after photos are brilliant - have you been exercising too? It looks like more than just dieting - there is real muscle and definition there too. I want your legs (I want everyone else's legs!)... I want to say I want my own legs by January!

caramelwaffle Tue 20-Nov-12 12:51:11

Great pictures cathy Definitely looks like excercise as well. Well done.

cathyandclaire Tue 20-Nov-12 13:13:23

Awww thanks folks {Blushes}

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Tue 20-Nov-12 13:18:35

Fab pics, cathy, very impressive.

<note to self, never ever put pic up on MN as will look like elephant next to these toned skinnies>

B poached egg, slice of turkey, salad
L tuna mayo with sesame seeds, salad
D fish pie with creamy leeks, salad

You may be able to tell I had a bag of salad needing used up.....

B oatbran with cream
Snack slice turkey, 2 slices cheese
L 2 scrambled eggs made with butter and cream

Hope everyone has a good day.

i can safely say i will not be putting up bikini shots at any rate!

it's funny because when i was bigger i thought i would just be happy to be the weight i am now, but i'm still spotting things i'd like to improve!

Doshusallie Tue 20-Nov-12 13:34:00

Lunch - tuna, boiled egg, mayo, slices of beef, coleslaw, cucumber, salad leaves, roasted aubergine slices.

NewStartSameStory Tue 20-Nov-12 13:50:17

So do i add the weight from half an hour ago to the spread or hope to remember to weight tomo?

Been good.
B: 3 eggs scramble with a splash alpro cream fried in butter
s: 2 alpro yoghurts
L: plate of boiled cauliflower, with 3 pieces of plastic cheese melted on top.

Couple of coffees.

Exercise - lots, not enough/too much. <vague>

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 14:03:14

I would put today's weight in, and then next Monday's.

All clear on the exercise front grin

NewStartSameStory Tue 20-Nov-12 14:09:19

Well there was lots of talking today so intensity was low, however from start to finish it was a 5hr session (incl. talking). Should have talked less and trained more but some would say 5hrs is too much. Intensity was just very low due to it being twiddly technique stuff rather then speed and power. vague was simpler to understand wink. Could happily have done another couple of hours though. Looking forward to next training session tbh. Got stuff to fix/practise and get right. mind you looking forward to power work at end of week too.

In that case sts weight wise.

NewStartSameStory Tue 20-Nov-12 14:15:55

Seems I am very good at sts hmm wk 1 -lost, wk 2 -gained , everything else - same.

EwanHoozami Tue 20-Nov-12 16:10:08

you chatty mob!

I have briefly fallen off the wagon with giant aplomb, but as yesterday was my 'honeymoon' (as DH and I didn't ever really have one) I care not grin

We stayed here and good heavens, it was fabulous.

I now need a week of seeeerious bootcamp to get back on it.

Well done all the losers, STS-ers and the sticking-at-it-despite-a-gain-ers

and BIWI congratulations, how wonderful. Twins are such joy.

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 16:21:44

That looks absolutely gorgeous, Ewan!

ignores reference to falling off the wagon just this once

halfthesize Tue 20-Nov-12 18:02:19

Ewan that looks lovelysmile

caramelwaffle Tue 20-Nov-12 18:48:04

Ewan envy

Sits next to toomuch on the 'never putting pics up' up bench. Bunch up love I have an arse here.

Newstart, you pick the lightest weight from all week and post that. grin

D: Bolognese and buttery leeks. And after a stressy day a large glass of red.

Hurrah hurrah! Back down to 15 stone 13!

Well done everyone, I am enjoying nosing through the pictures! You do realise though that I have a little giggle as I am nearly twice the weight of some of you and would be thrilled to be anything like some of your before pictures. You are all gorgeous IMO... Panic not there will be no pictures of me anytime soon!

Ewan, that looks lovely. No wonder you fell off the wagon don't blame you. smile

Doshusallie Tue 20-Nov-12 19:58:29

Well jel Ewan! Looks lovely.

Eeeek, have really scary meeting at 9am in London tomorrow!!!!!!! sad

Dh has made a curry, I am having it with broccolli.

Dosh - hope your meeting is OK. If really terrible, I am in south london for some low carb comfort!!!!

Viperidae Tue 20-Nov-12 20:24:56

I have been hungry today but it's my own fault as I am stressed in work atm so didn't get around to lunch as the rep brought trays of sandwiches, crisps, cakes, etc. I nibbled a couple of bits of tikka chicken but didn't really fancy it then had a few almonds when got home. I'd had a good breakfast though so that kept me going I guess.

Tea was chicken thighs, oven roast veg and a small scoop of strawberry frozen yoghurt (made with Alpro and a few berries in the ice cream maker)

caramelwaffle Tue 20-Nov-12 20:27:42

Well done MrsHP

Good luck Dosh

I'll put pictures up but from now...and again next June (that's my goal weight deadline)

captainmummy Tue 20-Nov-12 20:32:44

Good luck with the meeting tomorrow doshu; and hope your week gets better Viper.

Breakfast - 2 egg omellette, fried in butter, with a dash of cream
Lunch - half big packet of salted peanuts (I know, shouldn't have bought them, reduced in Lidl) celery and blue cheese, salad with mayo and salami
Dinner - salmon with salad, homemade coleslaw, greek yog, coffee with cream.

Incidentally Viper - did the alpro yog turn into ice cream ok? Cos alpro is soya, not yog, I just wondered if it worked same as yoghurt.

Doshusallie Tue 20-Nov-12 20:48:07

Had two teaspoons of peanut butter for my pudding. God I love that stuff.

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 20:49:12

I'm a bit worried that posting the photos may seem insensitive. Apologies if it is.

It's lovely that some are reaching their targets, but I'm also mindful that there are many who still have some way to go, and I would hate for you to feel disheartened by it.

NotAgainAndAgain Tue 20-Nov-12 20:59:48

Hi everybody
I am still here, not much loss though as got carried away after my dress shopping.
I was hoping to fit comfortably in size 10. The one I found and liked in 10 - a bit loose on me, now some cavities need to be filled up. Or to take it for fitting.
So I stopped counting how many squares of choc I have had - the result is the weight stalled (phew, I thought I will be back to square one).
Anyway, settled on the dress ( arelief, gosh I HATE dress shopping, am I "special")

Viperidae Tue 20-Nov-12 21:02:04

Alpro seemed to work ok captainmummy. It is not as smooth as the ice cream I made from double cream but both of them are either a bit mushy or rock hard! Mind you I am an absolute beginner so it may be me!

Most of the frozen yoghurt recipes seem to have either condensed milk or some whipped cream added so I might try it with Total and cream next time although I am trying not to get in the habit of puddings or I might undermine myself.

Thanks for the kind thoughts re work, we are just going through a lot of changes in the team and our working practice at the moment which is always stressful.

Oh no BIWI - I am not disheartened - quite the opposite! If I can look as good as that I'm in!!!!

It is just that really I'm blush about my weight. But I've decided to shout it out for all the world to see so that I can do something about it, rather than pretend it is fine when it isn't. I love having a nosey. I love thinking I'm eating the same way as all you skinny minnies grin

Anyway, I cling onto the fact that Briffa (I think) says that being slightly on the larger side is better later on in life... I do realise however he doesn't mean by 6 stone like me!!!!!

NotAgainAndAgain Tue 20-Nov-12 21:03:53

Now I will go reading what I missed - (is it incorrect to go into size details) anyway I am chaffed I lost a size.

caramelwaffle Tue 20-Nov-12 21:10:23

Heck. I'm not disheartened. I'm inspired. Well done everyone so far.

Piffle Tue 20-Nov-12 21:13:16

I think weightloss is personal, as is target weight etc.
So I think we can all identify with the desire and challenge it takes, despite how much we have to lose.
I know a lot of my friends say I'm slim, I guess I have skinny legs, narrow hips, decent boobs and hide my fat tummy in clever clothing choices.
However I knew there was 2 stone hanging on that I do not need.
My MIL who is very overweight thinks me and DH are mad doing this WOE but she is impressed at the results but gets miffed when we don't eat her roast spuds...

I think we are all doing brilliantly smile

Oh today
B - bacon and eggs
L - soup, deli meats and cheeses
D- beef casserole with cauli cheese and green beans

BIWI Tue 20-Nov-12 21:18:37


WineGless Tue 20-Nov-12 21:34:17

Evening all

Checking in whilst watching celeb masterchef

B: ham and cream cheese rolls
L: cauliflower cheese
S Brazil nuts
D carbonara with courgette ribbons

But dairy heavy but was a lb off this morning.

Loving the photos and great to see the results.

MRS HP well done for keeping I the 15's!
Ewan- am wells jel. Glad u had a fab time
Dosh - good luck for tomorrow
Piffle - I think we are all dong brilliantly too!
Toomuchmonth - have you a date for the funeral? Been thinking of you.

Waves to everyone I haven't mentioned

coldcat Tue 20-Nov-12 21:40:33

Thanks Biwi....not a gym member so I'd better get walking/cycling/moving in general.....have had a peek at all recent photos and congrats - you all look great....really toned and lean....were there some of you gals doing callanetics? I don't have a lot to lose - only about 10-12 lbs...so why is it so hard to shift!! Feeling despondent .......I can do this can't I ?!

caramelwaffle Tue 20-Nov-12 21:41:24

Yes you can.

WineGless Tue 20-Nov-12 21:44:58

Hell yes!
All shapes and sizes here with our goals but this woe has changed my life,swear to god (that was my Point Break impression)

NewStartSameStory Tue 20-Nov-12 22:02:23

And some of us are not doing the woe for the main purpose of weight loss. I have to be careful about goals. i get fixated on weights that are unhealthy so for now I have my target which is pre ds but post surgery weight which is 70kg. I need to get lower then that. I like the fact that people are hitting targets, as for the pictures they are not plastered over the thread so can be ignored or there as inspiration as needed. It's nice to be able to shout about success! congratulations to all the losers, target hitters and new bracket people!

NewStartSameStory Tue 20-Nov-12 22:11:56

Coldcat - look over a longer range perhaps you are losing weight like BIWI at a slower rate more visible over a month then a week? And yes you can do this!

MsRinky Tue 20-Nov-12 22:35:37

Weirdly, I went to Cowley Manor. Only back then it was owned by the council and was where school kids like me went for personal development weeks in the last year of secondary school. Team building, canoeing, that sort of thing. Looks like they've done it up a bit...

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Tue 20-Nov-12 23:25:24

<shuffles hefty arse along to make room for singing>

ewan yep add me to the envy list, I've heard of it many times but you are the first person I "know" to ever actually go! Looks lush. Def deserves a falling off the wagon day!

mrshp well done! I know the feeling! (Weighed in at x stone and 13.5 lbs here!!)

wine thanks, funeral is tomorrow. I should sleep but feel weirdly wired tonight.

Loving the fact that NSSS is now cheer leading the positivity for this woe after having told us of her difficulties, you go girlfriend (if wine can do PB I can do Beyonce)

Viperidae Tue 20-Nov-12 23:30:14

MrsHP I am still dreaming of reaching the weight you are!

NewStart I too have to be careful about goals as I have tried and failed to lose weight so many times. I get fixated on weighing and losing then get demoralised and sabotage myself. That's why I am approaching this as a WOE and allowing myself to "cheat" when I want to so I don't feel deprived.

I am just delighted with my loss so far and am feeling positive that I can continue it.

NotAgainAndAgain Wed 21-Nov-12 01:04:51

Got myself updated, back to "good girl" menu again.
Thanks for inspiration, keeps be in check.

BIWI Wed 21-Nov-12 08:05:55

The thing about goals, IME, is that you have to keep them realistic. When we start a diet, there is a tendency to focus on the end point - I have to lose x pounds or x stones. And, even worse, we usually put a time-frame on it. "I have to lose 20 stones by next Tuesday" kind of thing.

Thing is, your brain and your body just won't co-operate! If I knew back in February that I would still be plugging away trying to reach my 2 stone target, I would probably never have started! I had calculated that I would lose 2lbs a week, therefore it would only take me just over 3 months to lose the weight. Easy!

But life isn't like that. We will always have things that get in the way of those pesky 2lbs off a week.

And far better to embrace them rather than make ourselves feel even more guilty about it.

So my Wise Counsel this dreary morning is to reconsider whatever goals you have and ask yourself if, on the basis of how things have gone for you over the last few weeks/months, YABR!

We are very quickly swinging into the festive season, with the inevitable temptations that will come along. Be realistic about when you're going to go off piste - make sure that you enjoy it. There will be some occasions - like Ewan's - where there's nothing at all wrong with just eating and drinking whatever you want. Equally, though, be mindful about what you're doing, and get back on the wagon as soon as possible afterwards!

A healthy perspective is, I think, far more important than an obsession with (unachievable) targets - and will mean you are much more likely to achieve whatever goal you have set for yourself.

NewStartSameStory Wed 21-Nov-12 08:14:04

Targets here: eat three meals per day min, eat healthy food - ie not just sugar and carbs food with good quality nutrition, sleep. Those are my targets but but bonuses are: No migraines, feeling more human, not passing out randomly.

I either have carb flu this morning, the flu shot last night is making me feel crappy or training schedule/lack of sleep is catching up. urgh. 150mile round trip day today too. But it beats sorting the dreaded paperwork out hmmgrin

And BIWI you are full of wise words this morning when my brain doesn't work and eyes don't want to see. It is rather impressive.

Onwards and downwards!

BIWI Wed 21-Nov-12 08:16:04

Be careful if you're driving ...

BIWI Wed 21-Nov-12 08:16:52

Oh, and the whole point of coming on to the thread was to SHOUT THAT I AM 9 STONE 6.5LBS THIS MORNING grin

Only one more pesky pound until I finally reach my first target.

Morning all, what a depressingly dark and wet one as well. Don't think it's going to get light today.

Toomuch, hope today goes as well as it possibly can in the circumstances.

BIWI, very true. Somebody asked me the other day if I was still on 'that diet'. I said its a not a diet this is the way I eat now. Which is true. Bread, potatoes, etc., are no longer a daily part of my life nor will they ever be again. Amen. grin

NewStartSameStory Wed 21-Nov-12 08:37:04

Taking it easy driving wise. Don't feel tired just hurt all over. Mind you bet half the roads are flooded this morning.

congratulations BIWI

Morning Singing I fear it is a day of putting many changes of dry clothes on kinda day

It will be for me newstart. Just off to muck out. This is not going to be pretty. smile. Safe journey.

good point about goals biwi

i would like to lose another 2lb before the end of this boot camp to bring it to a nice round 2st loss since i first started boot camp in april, but at the rate i'm going this isn't going to happen. i'm very happy with where i am, but i always seem to want a nice round number!

it's easy to feel like a failure for not meeting your own (possibly arbitrary) goal, when you should look at the overall picture which is successful

vnmum Wed 21-Nov-12 10:12:00

Well done biwi

cathy fab photos. I would love to look like your before photo but even more so the after with the definition. How tall are you? I am wondering if you are a similar height to me and wether a lower target weight might be acheivable for me smile

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Wed 21-Nov-12 10:27:25

Here here to biwi s wise words this morning.

Thanks singing

Had Lidl Greek yoghurt and a few dried berries early when dog got me up.
Just now had 3 slices bacon and 2 fried eggs in the hope this will sustain me through today. Ate slowly, mindfully, tried to enjoy my food while brain is whirring.
I may have a little something at the "tea n scones n happy stories" part after the service though.

It is a clear blue sky day up here today, glad as I have a lot of driving to do today too, ferrying folk around. Baltic though! Have a good day y'all x

cathyandclaire Wed 21-Nov-12 10:34:12

Thanks Vnum I'm 5 ft 3 if standing VERY upright. I have literally never been this weight since my wedding day and before that maybe when I was 15...so not sure it's sustainable but have found this WOE fantastic, Bootcamping very light now (wine, dark chocolate, poppadums with my curry, a bad macademia habit) and staying stable, so we'll see...

Doshusallie Wed 21-Nov-12 10:59:33

Morning all.

Meeting went fine mainly because my boss did all of the talking. So much so that the client actually looked at me at the end and said 'well you had an easy ride didn't you? You just wound him up and let him go!' blush. Oh well, that's what bosses are for isn't it? Still had the 5.45am start..... On a train home now.

Early brekkie was Alpro yog, just had some pork scratchings.

Good luck to all of you seeking 6 packs and lifted buns....I am not too bothered about definition etc. no-one ever sees it anyway do they? As long as I have a flat tum and not too many wobbly bits I'm happy.


halfthesize Wed 21-Nov-12 11:01:05

Well done BIWIgrin

NotAgainAndAgain Wed 21-Nov-12 12:13:57

I love the fact that I have beaten my "sweet tooth-inness".
I had no idea how sugar dependent I was. Thinking that since I do not put sugar in my drinks and not big on cake - I was ok. I so was not. It was hard for starters, sometimes agrh-gh-gh how I craved my late night treats.
Nowadays no chocolate below 70% can pass my lips - it seems to be offensively sweet.

yy notagain - i find i'm much more receptive to different flavours now too, a bit like an ex-smoker!

JessicaWakefield Wed 21-Nov-12 12:55:06

Two pounds down and I think that's real and not because of the vomiting illness I had last week. Have now entered it on the spreadsheet of wonder which means that it definitely must be true! This is the lowest I've been since before DCs and then I could only get to this weight by eating hardly anything except stuff pretending to be food, Muller Light anyone? I can't believe I used to eat like that, my body was in semi-starvation mode and I'd wonder why I was hungry and not loosing weight!

I'm finding more and more that the thing which deters me from potential off wagon moments is the thought of how terrible I'll feel the next day. I'm sort of ok with a bit of sugar but anything with wheat in and the stomach pains and indigestion and headache and low mood are as much of a deterrent as the poundage.

TooMuch I'm thinking of you today.

BIWI well done on your weigh in!

Doshu glad your meeting went well.

Willie of course you like round numbers, you are the Goddess of the spreadsheet!

Have a good day everyone and hope you all manage to stay dry.

EwanHoozami Wed 21-Nov-12 13:45:55

Well said BIWI - going off-message had to be something really special to put up with the resulting 4lb I've gained in two days shock blush

the hotel was lovely, I'd recommend it to anyone. DH and I saved up for ages for a few days abroad and then thought 'sod it' and blew the lot on one amazing 24hr break grin

today I am parsimonious in comparison ...

B - 1.5l water (kick-starting Return To Bootcamp with a small fast)
L - chicken mayo salad
D - spinach omelette

BIWI Wed 21-Nov-12 14:13:57

Ewan - that will quickly go, especially I'd you're being strict. And I'm sure it was worth it grin

Doshusallie Wed 21-Nov-12 14:20:23

Toomuch - thinking of you today.

Lunch was a courgette, a leek, chopped and steamed, served with salt and with a layer of edam cheese. Weird, but lush and tasty.

Going to see the latest Twilight tonight - SQUEEEEEEE grin

captainmummy Wed 21-Nov-12 14:35:30

Went xmas shopping today - spent loads and had a toasted teacake blush but no breakfast (in anticipation) and jsut a bit of greek yog for lunch, with a few peanuts. Have a bit of a headache now, possibly from the sugar/flour/raisins.

Will do chicken/mushrooms in cream sauce with something for tea.

Well done on your lossBIWI - very exciting!

Doshu - you were into london and out again by 11am? Early start!

jan2013 Wed 21-Nov-12 14:38:57

hi guys

im quite upset at the minute as ive realised ive gained a good bit of weight in the last few months, and even the last week. i know its my TOM at the minute and wonder how much that can account for. but ive been even thinking should i go back to low fat. this is the heaviest ive been in like a good few years, and i didn't seem to struggle with putting on pounds on a low fat diet. maybe high fat is suited to some people but not others? before i didn't eat a lot of carbs, but i ate moderate carbs, low fat, and moderate protein. i really don't know what to do, putting on weight right now is the last thing i need for my confidence.

BIWI Wed 21-Nov-12 14:44:15

Jan - how tall are you and how much do you weigh now?

What are your objectives with low carbing? Were you aiming to lose weight or to eaters healthily?

And post what you've been eating/drinking over the last couple of days so that we can try and help

Chin up smile

jan2013 Wed 21-Nov-12 15:03:28

im 5 7.5 and am 8 st 4.5

that might not sound a lot but ive gained over a stone since dd was born

i wud be happy maintaining around 8 stone, i carry the fat round my belly

i don't have time to cook dd is always sick, i usually have tinned fish or if i have more time grilled salmon, with veg such as cauliflour, broccoli, green beans. sometimes a have mixed peppers and onions but i watch these

every day i have a couple of eggs and some cheese

i add mayonnaise and olive oil to my food

for breakfast i have lidl yoghurt with berries and flaxseed. and through the day i have coffee with cream or milk, the odd day i have dark chocolate.

i don't really want to be on a diet the rest of my life so i don't really want to cut more things out of my diet if you know what i mean - i don't know why i am gaining.

i know my sleep is horrendus at the minute with dd, and that can't be helping. i used to have major food issues (hence used to be underweight) and don't want to go back there, but i can't handle this gaining weight so i don't know where to go from here!


jan2013 Wed 21-Nov-12 15:07:59

oh Biwi i just saw your profile pics - beautiful you look great. sorry im posting and haven't even caught up on the thread. im all over the place at the minute dd has tonsilitis

Doshusallie Wed 21-Nov-12 15:18:37

I know Captain - I do not want to make catching the 6.58am train a regular thing!!!!

Jan - I will let others comment as you are clearly distressed about gaining weight, as I would be. It's very hard when you can't actually see someone, but from a generic perspective, weighing 8 stone 4 when you are over 5 foot 7 really does NOT sound like very much.....Weight is a very personal thing though, and what is fine for one is not for another, I do get that. Your food looks ok to me.......

halfthesize Wed 21-Nov-12 16:22:32

Afternoon all, its been raining here all day so have been having a cooking marathonsmile

jan sorry to hear you are feeling so low, weight is such a nightmare and personally I think it affects all aspects of my life if I am not happy with mine, which I rarely am! Your food looks fine to mewink

Jacaqueen Wed 21-Nov-12 16:28:53

jan you BMI is around 18.

As i understand it if you do low carb properly, where your fat content is high, you won't lose weight once you have used up your fat reserves. It is like your body has a built in survival mode and won't let your weight get too low.

I don't want to seem insensitive, but your post worries me a bit. I know we all carry weight differently. I am 5 7 and when I weighed 9st I was really ill.

I hope you are ok.

WineGless Wed 21-Nov-12 16:34:35

Jan your BMI is only 18.
What weight did you start at and what are your goals?
I know you've had a tough time but am concerned about uou

jan2013 Wed 21-Nov-12 17:50:25

hey.... oh flip im sorry ive worried you. please don't be... i shouldnt have posted bmi. i have struggled with weight for a long time and actually after having a baby have been a lot better, i went from about 7st to what i am now and it wasn't as much of an issue after dd was born... but the thing is, low carbing was helping me with cravings, helping me feel more stable without the blood sugar moodswings, and helping me eat better (fat etc).

i understand my bmi is quite low, but when you think about what my bmi was like before, you will understand that its quite enough weight gain for me right now and what i want to do now is maintain (at 8 st, not at what i am now). i wasn't actually worrying about my weight anymore until i stepped on the scales. now that im gaining weight im worried its likely to become a problem again. i may have a low bmi, but i struggle with food as much as the next person! and i am carrying it in the worst place. i started low carbing when i was just under 8 st. i wasn't looking to lose weight, just maintain and be healthy, but ive gained! i don't stick rigidley to the rules of bootcamp because i knew that i didn't need to lose...i was more on the maintenance plan. i really want to make this work, but if i keep gaining i don't know what to do.

Ignoring the weight though Jan, do you feel better on the WOE and do your clothes fit the same? If so then ditch the scales and keep on, perhaps your body is adjusting to what it thinks is a sensible/healthy weight and you will now stay the same. I am no way an expert though, and I think if your BMI is already low and you say you have issues with weight/food in the past that perhaps speaking to GP/other professional would be worthwhile?

BIWI Wed 21-Nov-12 18:32:09

jan - I know you have issues around your weight, and I think you need to stop focussing on it. You have a lot of stress going on in your life right now, and your weight does not deserve to be one of them. And I seriously, seriously think you need to listen to what people are telling you here. At your height and weight you can't be fat! You are putting down the kind of weight that your body needs.

I understand that putting on weight must be very worrying for you and difficult to deal with, but please understand that - for you - it's a healthy process.

The food you are eating is perfect as a low carb diet. As long as you promise me that you are eating like every day <stern look> then it is very nutritious and will be doing you a lot of good.

Please don't start trying to lose weight.

Jacaqueen is absolutely right - eating a low carb diet allows you to lose weight until you reach a weight that your body is happy with. It's your head that doesn't like what it's seeing on the scales.

And I'm sending you a big hug, because I think you probably need one, rather than me waving my big stick around any more!

NewStartSameStory Wed 21-Nov-12 18:33:35

I know some evil but easy and quick exercises for targeting tummy tonnage. Does require an extra person though. And a ball. sponge football thing is good. perhaps your body's natural preferred weight is around what you are now? Just consider that it might be slightly higher then you would like.

I am back from the round trip and pleased to say that actually it is under 100miles. however, I am about to go out to training again. hmm

NewStartSameStory Wed 21-Nov-12 18:35:11

Ah x-post with the very wise BIWI <nods> What BIWI said.

JessicaWakefield Wed 21-Nov-12 18:53:34

Sending you hugs Jan. With those stats you must look really willowy and lovely. As Doshu said weight is very personal and as Half said it can really make or break your mood, it certainly can mine. Listen to the sensible people here and our wise leader BIWI; you are eating real, nutritious and delicious food and are being kind to your body. Maybe just try to enjoy this woe and don't think about the numbers? Here are some thanks sent with a good luck smile

JessicaWakefield Wed 21-Nov-12 18:57:06

Having this for dinner. 0.1g carb/100g. In the oven at the moment. Looks and smells v good!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Wed 21-Nov-12 19:37:39

Thanks for the kind thoughts, guys. Today went well for the family, I think.

But I didn't so much fall off the wagon, as fling myself from it like a somersaulting kamikaze lemming, at the wake this afternoon.
I had about 3 triangle sandwiches, a couple of small sausage rolls, 2 scones with jam and a ginger biscuit blush. And that great Scottish delicacy, a white pudding (battered oatmeal and god knows what else) from the chipper at the tea later on. At least I was driving so no booze <clutches at tiny straw> why does this happen? If you had asked me before, I would have said that I wasn't really an emotional eater, that I just liked my scones etc. but this week has shown me that I definitely link some foods to emotional comfort. And it makes me worried that Ds will be the same, as DH and him share the same sweet tooth, and chocolate is used in DH family to cure all ills.
My lower intestine area is grumbling and I'm not bloody surprised. I suspect I will feel pretty yuck soon.

Sorry if ive brought the thread down, really dont want to discourage anyone, in fact this has shown me that i do feel a lot better on this WOE after all.

Back on it like a car bonnet tomorrow!!

jan2013 Wed 21-Nov-12 19:38:45

thank you so much for the hugs and support, and sympathies to everyone else who struggles with your weight food and mood.... its a battle no-one asked for! but yes everyone is right, and ill try my best just to keep what you's are saying in my head...i especially like 'weight does not have to be one of my stresses' that will help me and i hope it helps others too if they are having a bad day.
mrs my clothes are getting a bit tighter...
however i will keep on the plan, keep focusing on health, and try not to worry about the numbers smile thanks again

halfthesize Wed 21-Nov-12 20:22:52

JessicaWakefield your dinner looks lovely.grin

toomuch glad today went ok, I think its totally acceptable to fall off the wagon some times.

jan2013 big hugs coming your way x

Just had massive row with my DD1angry so am now sat here with a big glass of red, not ideal but it seems to help!
Dinner was LC shepherds pie, it was yummysmile

EwanHoozami Wed 21-Nov-12 20:52:17

jan I have a not-very-technical-at-all theory that this WOE gets us to the weight and shape that our bodies want us to be. It could be that your body is doing something for you that you weren't expecting, but that might not be so much of a bad thing. Be gentle with yourself and I hope your DD is better soon.

Viperidae Wed 21-Nov-12 21:30:21

Agree whole-heartedly with BIWIs words earlier and am glad the rest of you all seem to be coping.

Jan2013 Please don't let weight get you down, I am more than twice the woman you are (in weight terms) and have a DD who has her own issues with food and weight so know how awful it can make us feel. Try to focus on health and enjoying your lovely baby.

I had something of a hiccup today as I went to a set meal lunch but couldn't find what the menu was before going and my friend couldn't remember. Consequently I ate the bread roll with my soup, thinking there would be more worth cheating with but the rosti was too cheesey and the creme brulee too solid so, if I had been organised, I could have been good with minimal effort!

Some of you spoke of goals earlier mine is simply to keep going and to keep losing slowly but steadily. From my heaviest, I am 1st 10lb down so I would like to get more than 2st off by Christmas which sounds easy but there is all that fun and socialising to fit in too.

WineGless Wed 21-Nov-12 21:32:29

Jan- I can't add much to what others have said before. Only you can change your perception of your weight and body. You are eating a very healthy and satisfying range of food and will be showing your daughter good eating habits. Keep posting though, we're listening!

Jess - how was tea? Looks yummy

Toomuch- glad today went as well as can be expected although not sure how you stomach white pudding wink I totally identify with the emotional eating regarding DC. My parents use food as a reward/crutch/emotional blackmail and am trying very hard to to use these methods with my DC Fortunatley we only see them a few times a year so can distance myself from it.

Halfthesize- what's up with DD? .am very jealous of red wine- could really go a glass tonight

Doshusallie Wed 21-Nov-12 22:18:30

Jess that tea looks yum.

Just been to see breaking dawn part 2. A. M. A. Zing. The ultimate love story, it was ace. grin

Had some celery and cream cheese, and some cream cheese wrapped in ham before I went out - just scoffed 2 cold low carb sausages, and 2 teaspoons of peanut butter. No sweets or popcorn in cinema (halo).

Off to that ther London town again tomorrow (sigh) but at least at a reasonable hour this time.

Doshusallie Wed 21-Nov-12 22:19:29

Wine - I bow down before you with your alcohol abstention. I did 2 weeks once...... Except when pregnant .....

WineGless Wed 21-Nov-12 22:23:14

If you knew me in RL you would be in shock, which most of my friends are! It is a rare thing that's for sure ;) I couldn't bear the smell of alcohol when I was pregnant, fortunately.
Was slightly concerned last night when giving DD Calpol- she turned round and said "mummy that's disgusting it tastes just like alcohol"
Many questions ran through my mind it has to be said
When questioned she confirmed she hadn't been necking the gin it had smelt my wine! blush

JessicaWakefield Wed 21-Nov-12 22:41:01

Ladies, I'm sorry to report that the chicken, tomato, Parmesan thingy that I posted earlier was only ok, fine but uninteresting. If you got it on an aeroplane you'd be pleased. From Waitrose and a bit excited about it not so much.

Toomuch well done on today, it can't have been easy.

Wine in awe of you. Am not a big drinker as no tolerance now after two pregnancies in very quick succession but do need a few sips of red once the DCs are finally down for the night so hats off to you!

Half hope things get patched up with DD soon thanks

Viperidae Wed 21-Nov-12 23:53:20

I wish I liked red wine, it always looks and sounds so sophisticated but I really don't like it. I wish I was less fussy!

BIWI Thu 22-Nov-12 08:23:17

Morning all!

Hope it's not too rainy wherever you are.

Interesting link here about superfoods - especially green tea

coldcat Thu 22-Nov-12 09:48:44

Thanks for all the supportive comments Biwi,Caramel, Toomuch, winegless.....it really helps and yes from a health perspective I do feel better, sleep better, no tummy rumblings and cravings So I WILL just keep going...up the exercise...cut back(or out) the dairy/ 70% choc....and I will keep reading and posting here. Slow and steady will win the race and at my height....a few pounds makes a visible difference......

OMG, had a terrible day today food wise .... Lunch was reasonable, asparagus soup with brie ... but felt very cold and crampy (TOTM) this afternoon and somehow managed to make a dent in leftover halloween chocolate ... I'm going to have to get back on track tomorrow.

I'm surprised actually because I've been so comfortable on this WOE...

Off to browse your amazing before and after photos for inspiration grin

NotAgainAndAgain Thu 22-Nov-12 14:08:24

I subscribe with both hands under yesterday's BIWI's - very wise. jen, best wishes your way.

I got an unusual item in my shopping trolley today - a rack of pork ribs (not the ones which are in sauce and half prepared, 'cose too much carbs here), but the one is supposed to do from scratch.
But googling the recipe brings to the same sort of "add honey" or "add BBQ sauce" (high as well).
Any simple recipe for a good LC cause? I went though recipe tread - did not see. Thank you

The only recipes I have found require a 'low carb BBQ sauce' mostly ready made. The ones that you make yourself are full of diet cola basically and sweeteners so not sure they are particularly good for you either!

What about something more tomato based, or similar to this but adapted without the sugar maybe?

Piffle Thu 22-Nov-12 16:57:37

Starting this WOE was more about quitting booze than anything, I've been pretty much the epitome of a middle class lush/daily drinker for a decade. Hence the 2 stone added.

DH and I have both been 2 months now without alcohol (I had 2 glasses of wine one night with a friend that said)

To have cracked that drinking is the biggest thing for me.
To have lost 5.5 kgs on this WOE and give up beer is very very satisfying indeed.
I will assess how I look and feel once another 5 kgs are off which will put me at 9st 5 (5ft 6 I am very slim framed under all the blubber) and prob work at maintaining that... I was 3 kgs less than that before I had kids and I have had my breast reduced in 2009 (2 kgs off) so we shall see...

Oh food today - I am SO hungry!

B- Bacon eggs
L- 3 sausages, broccoli, green beans
D- Chicken and Salad
snack blueberries and double cream

Exercise - 480 cals of walking

NewStartSameStory Thu 22-Nov-12 17:02:35

What is the consensus on halzenut 'Milk' and almond 'milk'?

I have a migraine.

Piffle Thu 22-Nov-12 17:04:41

many are sweetened but check the carb count if under 3g per 100g generally considered ok

NewStartSameStory Thu 22-Nov-12 17:18:16

Thanks piffle.

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 17:18:42

Can I join in? I tried a previous Bootcamp before the summer, but only lasted 2 weeks before I slipped while on holiday, and never picked back up again blush I was under a different name then, but shared a few recipes from my blog on the recipe thread.

I have been Bootcamping for 1.5 weeks now, and have just read all your previous threads! I am doing well, only 1 slip up in McDonalds when I ate the bun as well as burger.

I dont weigh myself, but I know roughly what my start weight was, and tbh I have soooo much to lose that it doesnt matter that I dont know to the exact pound. I know I have lost though, I feel different already and my fat tummy has changed shape.

To the person who wants a low carb pork rib recipe - try soy sauce, crushed garlic, grated ginger & chinese 5 spice. Cook them in a slow cooker for the most meltingly soft meat!

Diner tonight for us is roast guinae fowl, celeriac fondant & braised cabbage - to whoever shared this cabbage recipe THANK YOU!

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 17:20:21

Oh, that pork rib recipe I just posted, forgot to say to add some passatta too!

halfthesize Thu 22-Nov-12 17:21:07

Eve All, sorry I did not respond last night needed time to calm down.

DD has always been highly strung(i am being polite) but she is now 20, got a new boyfriend, who whole life revolves around(I know normal) However last night spoke to me in the most awful manner, shouted at her younger brother(aged 3) and basically said she hated having to come home(which is rare these days!! So needless to say I gave her a few home truths, that have been coming for a while, I was more upset than angry, but it did end up being a 'red mist' moment. Sorry for going on... She has text today apologising, but I think at this point actions speak louder than words.

ps The wine helpedblush sorry BIWI

I have been super good today and am hoping for a loss on Mondaysmile

Its been raining here for 2 days and we are flooded all over the place and now the wind has arrived, the joys!
Hope you have all had good days and jan I hope you are feeling a little better today x

Oh half,that sounds horrible. I am glad she has apologised to you, and I hope that things get better for you.

captainmummy Thu 22-Nov-12 18:18:48

Half - 20yo's have the 'terrible twos' sometimes don't they! Hopefully she'll come out the other side soon!

Went to see Skyfall today, very fun. Bypassed the popcorn and choc and sweeties that cinemas seem to think we need to get through a 2 hour sit-down. The group of teenagers behind us indulged in the lot, rustly sweet papers, popping can tops, opening choc bars. In an empty cinema they all came and sat right behind us. (And spent a lot of time shusssshing each other and giggling angry)

Breakfast - 3 egg omelette/cream/butter
lunch - lettuce with pate/blue cheese, bowl of thai coconut red curry soup
dinner - creamcheese pancakes with creamed leeks and cheese on top.

Very dairy- and cheese-heavy. Will prob have a coffee with cream later too blush

Doshusallie Thu 22-Nov-12 18:33:59

Hi all. Half - well done for standing up to dd, and sorry that it was so upsetting. I have to say I am rather relieved to have boys.

Into London and out again today. Breakfast was Alpro yog, lunch was celery, pâté, cheese, 2 boiled eggs. Just had similar for an early tea, eaten at the fridge door with a torch as we have a blooming power cut!!! Isn't it funny how I can always locate the booze even in the dark..... grin

jan2013 Thu 22-Nov-12 18:57:49

hey half that sounds so hard.. it sounds like you are doing an amazing job. i remember giving my mum such a hard time at that age and now im frantically trying to make everything up to her! i hope this weekend is better for you and your dd.

im having a much better day today thanks. im just focusing on how much better i feel eating good food, and focusing on all the other good things in my life. and i went to an interview today and got accepted for a voluntary thing that i really wanted so am so chuffed smile smile smile

salmon and mixed green veg for dinner. ran out of decaf coffee so big crisis till tomorrow when i can have another coffee smile

Hurrah Jan - that's fab news on your interview - well done! Glad you are feeling better.

BIWI Thu 22-Nov-12 20:18:59

That's brilliant, jan!

captainmummy - when we went to see Skyfall, group of teenagers in front of us were texting all the way through the film. Fine - but every time they sent/received one, their phone screens lit up, which was incredibly distracting!

halfthesize Thu 22-Nov-12 20:23:07

Thank you thanks so much ladies, its feels so good to get it off my chest. jan Im really pleased your day was better and well done on the interview.

captainmummy nightmare re the teenagers in the cinema, how was the film? smile

caramelwaffle Thu 22-Nov-12 20:31:25

Well done jan

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 20:32:59

So, is it ok to join you guys? blush

BIWI Thu 22-Nov-12 20:33:55

Of course it is! You are more than welcome.

BIWI Thu 22-Nov-12 20:34:16

Do you want to go on the spreadsheet? The Wonderful Willie will sort you out if so.

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 20:39:50

Ah, thanks! Thought my post on the other page had gone un noticed smile

Im not weighing, too much weight to lose so just going by clothes sizes just now. Think I have about 6 or 7 dress sizes to lose shock

Just had celeriac fondant, definitely my favourite way to have celeriac now! Will add it to the recipe thread.

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 20:42:52

Can I ask though, did anyone get a weird texture on the back of their front bottom teeth when starting this WOE? I did both times I started, for the first week - only time I have ever had it! No amount of brushing gets rid of it. Its starting to go away by itself now though.

WineGless Thu 22-Nov-12 20:43:22

Evening losers and welcome Porky!

Half size - sometimes things have to be said. I don't envy you with grown up DD- no idea how I am going to deal with it when the time comes with my DD.

Jan - am glad you are feeling more positive today and well done on the interview.

Signing out for tonight as having sulk off with Dh

caramelwaffle Thu 22-Nov-12 20:48:33

"sulk off" grin

Welcome (back) Porky! Soz, didn't mean not to welcome you earlier btw, I think everyone here just assumes everyone is welcome if that makes sense!!! I don't have the teeth thing sorry... but if it goes away that is probably good!

Wine, hope you win your sulk off... wink

I am really hungry tonight, think it is because I had rubbish yesterday lunchtime. Have had celery and cream cheese as snack and AF is due today/tomorrow so think that is why I am carb craving too. Am trying hard to just through tonight and then I can worry about tomorrow when it arrives!

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 20:57:05

I can't find the recipe thread sad does it still exist?

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 21:01:56

Its ok, I found it! smile

halfthesize Thu 22-Nov-12 21:10:33

Welcome porky and thanks wine honestly I am winging most of the time, as she is the oldest. Loving *'sulk off'*grin

BIWI Thu 22-Nov-12 21:38:31

Lovely dinner tonight <blowing my own trumpet>

1 small cauliflower, cut into florets
2 leeks, sliced
2 shallots, sliced
packet lardons (Sainsbury's do the double packs - use one of the packs)
carton of double cream (300ml)
about 4 oz mature cheddar, grated - more if you like
juice of 1/2 lemon
sprinkling of chilli flakes
black pepper/dried oregano

Boil the cauliflower until tender
In a frying pan, fry the lardons until they start to release their fat, then add the shallots; add black pepper and a sprinkling of oregano and chilli flakes
When softened, add the leeks, and continue frying until the leeks are starting to brown; add the lemon juice
When the cauliflower is cooked, drain and put into a gratin dish
Add the shallots/lardons/leeks
Sprinkle over the cheese, then pour over the cream
Bake in a moderate oven for 30 mins until browned on top

Serve with a green salad

Makes two very generous portions - could run to three or four, depending what other veg you serve with it.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Thu 22-Nov-12 22:08:32

Biwi that sounds absolutely gorgeous and I'm so hungry tonight o could probably eat the whole thing.
Weighed in this morning and have finally got under 10 stone at 9 12.5lbs. Been really busy today so not eaten much, just some ham, cheese and coleslaw, hence I'm starving now and trying to avoid picking at anything I find in the fridge.

cathyandclaire Thu 22-Nov-12 22:19:32

Some lovely recipes, thanks smile Have been rather boring recently, think dh will kill me if he sees another frittata! So it's pork with porky's sauce and Biwi's cauliflower this weekend....anything with that much cream must be good grin

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Thu 22-Nov-12 22:28:31

Welcome Porky!
half hope things smooth over soon
Congrats jan well done!
wine I see your sulk off and raise you a manflu, sigh.

I sometimes think there should be a screen in each multiplex reserved for teenagers. Then they can text, talk, rustle, giggle, throw popcorn, fart and exude lynx/britney noxious odours all to themselves.

Have been hungry and thirsty all day, assuming due to my carb binge yesterday. Can def feel the difference and am learning my lesson!

BIWI Thu 22-Nov-12 22:42:57

No idea how many carbs in that lot, although I can't see it would be that many. The only issue would be if you're dairy sensitive.

Viperidae Thu 22-Nov-12 23:35:20

Half Many sympathies, I have a "highly strung" 22yr-old so know how difficuly they can be. I'm glad things are settling down for you.

Jan Glad today is a better day and well done on the interview

BIWI That tea sounds amazing! I have been out all day, starting the Christmas shopping. We have shops nearby but I have to travel about an hour to get to a city with really good shops so make the most of it when I can get there. Consequently I have had a ham omelette for breakfast, 2 sausages and some onions (but no bread roll) for lunch, 2 diet cokes and 3 cups of tea. Oddly enough, I am not hungry so have decided not to eat for the sake of it and regard it as my own mini-intermittent-fast!

Boobz Fri 23-Nov-12 04:08:16

Had a friend over for dinner yesterday and it was carb-central. White wine followed by bread dipped in olive oil, followed by Leek and cheese (with mash potato in it) sausages deep fried in bread crumbs! And then 2 little chocolates which she brought.

Feel shit today as a result. But I have been so good for the past 53 days, that I figured I can have a couple of glasses of wine and some bread and it won't undo all my good work. Don't feel great about it today though.

On the plus side she didn't recognise me (haven't seen her since I started on The Zone and as she pulled up in the dark and I was standing outside in the half light to welcome her, she thought I was my much thinner friend that she assumed I had invited over to dinner too! A huge compliment as this mutual friend is what I would describe as willowy!) So that made my night!

Welcome porky

am at work, just back from another trip (cannot wait for christmas holiday)

hurricanewyn sweeps the board as biggest loser of the week and biggest loser so far

boobz has the biggest % loss

bravo both

oh AND those of us still on the spreadsheet have a combined loss (since 1st October) of 254.4 lb / 18st 2.4 lb / 115.4 kg

aren't we marvellous

NewStartSameStory Fri 23-Nov-12 08:38:42

I am having a trouser issue this morning. I have had to fish out some smaller trousers, the ones I was going to wear fell off. grin

Jacaqueen Fri 23-Nov-12 08:47:47

Yes we are all marvellous.

I was out to dinner on Wednesday night and my black velvet trousers were far too big. I still wore them but felt a bit scruffy though rather thin. The last time I wore them I had to shoehorn myself into them (shudders at what that must have looked like).

BIWI Fri 23-Nov-12 08:54:54

Marvellous, indeed! Brilliantly well done to all of us, and long may we lose our trousers grin

I wore a pair of trousers the other day that I had never worn. I'd bought them on the basis that 'when I lose a bit of weight they will be fine'. Always a daft thing to do! And they have been languishing in the wardrobe ever since.

Now, though <sigh> they are actually a bit too big!

I can really see my abs shaping up now, as I lose the last bits. I wouldn't go as far as saying I have anything like a 6 pack, but there's definitely some muscular definition going on there.

About bloody time, mind you!


I did same thing ok in lot bigger size than you but I can't keep the bloody thing on ( mind is a pita as had buy some more but good feeling to now I can buy trousers from anywhere grin ok size 16 still bigger than my final goal of a 12 but smaller than size 24

yes i know the 'elephant bum' problem with trousers that are too big!

caramelwaffle Fri 23-Nov-12 09:31:56

TheHc 24 down to 16 - excellent.

18st loss combined is really good.

EwanHoozami Fri 23-Nov-12 09:43:22

18 stone lost between us! Where is it now, I wonder? <ponders>

I made this Spanish Chicken recipe last night with a few adaptions (shallots for onions, less lemon and I also bunged in some lurking saffron and smoked paprika) it was GORGEOUS. I do love a chicken thigh.

All this protein seems to be helping my hair grow really quickly - hurrah as I'm growing out a highly unsuitable crop. So many plus sides to this WOE!

NewStartSameStory Fri 23-Nov-12 11:43:25

Well done catapult!

I am torturing myself by baking all sorts of stuff I can't eat. There is a birthday party here tonight. Thankfully I am excused from the festivities due to comp prep. Although I will be indulging in a very rarely made cake - It is made from almonds and no flour but there is some sugar. However, I figure a small piece for training would be countered by the training. And it is something that is made only once every couple of years so is a proper treat and a favourite!

Doshusallie Fri 23-Nov-12 12:54:36

NSSS - Tell me about it. DH has just made a batch of gingerbread men with DS2 (Inset day) they smell divine. I have been wrapping xmas presents so it is very Christmassy chez us right now!!

Doshusallie Fri 23-Nov-12 12:55:07

Lunch was 2 boiled eggs, a cold sausage and left over swede and green beans.

PorkyScratching Fri 23-Nov-12 13:06:12

Early breakfast was a chicken thigh
Late breakfast was egg, bacon & sausage at Wetherspoons when I met my friend for a cuppy - does anyone have any idea the carb count of their sausages? Im really worried they were carby!

Lunch will be crayfish tail with marie rose sauce & salad

Dinner will be tuna steak, cucumber relish & salad leaves

NewStartSameStory Fri 23-Nov-12 13:11:16

We haven't even started the christmas baking. that is next week's job, mind you we are having our christmas family get together with ALL the trimmings and presents next weekend so I shall firmly fall off the wagon that weekend grin otoh I am on my own for christmas so I can be firmly back on the wagon and have a head start on everyone else in terms of getting ready for the new year

captainmummy Fri 23-Nov-12 13:14:52

Lol at 'sulk off' and 'manflu, sigh'. Got to add the 'sigh'....

Am also baking today, using up old bananas in muffins for the dc, but will take the opp to cook some flaxseed crackers for the weekend. Am alone tomo night so need less no tempations.

Breakfast - 2 scrambled eggs
Lunch - nuts. Greek yog.
Dinner- will be turkey burgers wrapped in lettuce, i think.

i like seeing how people are planning to eat for the rest of the day

before this WOE i would have said to myself 'today i'm going to eat A, B and C and NOTHING ELSE' and ended up having a biscuit mid-morning and writing off the rest of the day

these days, i know what i'm going to be eating for all meals most days, and i'm not too worried if i deviate from that (in a low carb way obv), but i actually tend to stick to my plan most of the time because i don't really need or want anything else

this WOE really can change your eating behaviour

jan2013 Fri 23-Nov-12 17:37:44

is anyone going to bother cooking any lowcarb christmas treats this year? ive arranged to bake tomorrow for christmas with mum, i don't think much will be low carb, but i was thinking of doing something with the almond flour i have in the cupboard! it has to taste good though otherwise theres no point as i want to be able to offer it to people if they come to the house, and sometimes treats with no sugar taste a bit naff!!

WineGless Fri 23-Nov-12 17:47:19

Jan have a look on this blog yourlighterside.com/ she is trying out low carb goodies

WineGless Fri 23-Nov-12 17:48:25

Some twat has just run into the back of my car with DC in it. Sitting down with a cuppa to recover. We are all ok just bit shaken up

halfthesize Fri 23-Nov-12 17:50:53

Sorry to hear about your accident wine hope you are all ok x

BIWI Fri 23-Nov-12 17:55:46

Oh my goodness - sorry to hear that, WineGless. Glad you are all OK.

WineGless Fri 23-Nov-12 18:00:48

Thank you. Yes fine just cross as we were stationery and he misjudged his turn and crashed into back of my car. Didn't say sorry or ask how DC were angry

jan2013 Fri 23-Nov-12 18:01:10

oh no wineglass... that really does shake you up, i am so thankful you are ok too sending hugs
will check link

NewStartSameStory Fri 23-Nov-12 18:07:12

angry oh no Wine that is crap! Glad you are ok. Hope it stays that way and you get over the shake up.

What a horrible end to the week winegless. Hope you feel ok

Oh no, hope you are OK. It is horrible, especially with DC. Hope they and you are all OK.

Piffle Fri 23-Nov-12 18:29:40

Wine thank goodness you are ok...
Must be very shaken though, have a peaceful evening x x

I'm having a bloody blah day.
As I'm 5 kg from my goal and following IPD on phase 2... I tried porridge again as they said it was ok twice a week. Had with Splenda and double cream, very small bowl. Couldn't finish it and have felt tired and foul all day.
Had some left over spiced chicken breast for late am snack and smoked haddock and salad for lunch.

Having takeaway for tea but Indian so having chicken tikka, I really also might have some wine. I did 600 cals of walking too.

Am out dog showing tomorrow. Will take nuts and cold meats and cheese with me...
Have a nice
Friday everyone

Doshusallie Fri 23-Nov-12 18:37:12

How horrible wine, glad you are all ok!!!!

Boys "decorated" the ginger bread people (jezuz wept, never seen such a mess, managed to keep all my ocds in check), and I made these to take to the school Xmas Faye tomorrow.

Tea is salmon fillets and veg. And red wine because, Viper, I am extremely sophisticated. HA HA HA HA HA !!! grin

Ilovemyteddy Fri 23-Nov-12 19:07:07

Hope you are all okay winegless

PorkyScratching Fri 23-Nov-12 19:24:23

Glad you & DC are ok Winegless, what a shake up sad

MsRinky Fri 23-Nov-12 19:39:48

Eek, WineGless, how scary.

Long day at a conference for me today. I ignored the bacon sandwiches on arrival, carbfest lunch, chocolate cake, constant stream of biscuits, sweets on the tables and instead virtuously ate my frittatas and my cheese and roasted veg salad for lunch...but then I nipped into Selfridges before getting a train home and was suddenly rendered powerless to resist a single salted caramel macaron blush

I'm blaming caramelwaffle for subconsciously putting it in my brain wink

Have googled and reckon it was only about 12g of carb though, so not too bad a lapse. And god, it was good. Avocado and brown shrimps for dinner.

Viperidae Fri 23-Nov-12 19:59:55

You're sophisticated in my book Dosh, bet you even eat other posh, grown-up stuff like olives and blue cheese (bleeurgh!)

WineGless Fri 23-Nov-12 20:11:06

DH came in from gym an didn't even ask how I was sad

Trying desperately not to sink in bottle of wine

BIWI Fri 23-Nov-12 20:13:05

Oh WineGless <hugs>
What a twat he is sad

WineGless Fri 23-Nov-12 20:15:09

Thanks BIWI - need hugs from someone.

Honestly - he just brushed it off. I have NEVER been in an accident as a driver and having DC in car shook me up.
Anyway enough wallowing - onwards and downwards and all that

Doshusallie Fri 23-Nov-12 20:56:18

IME men are SHIT when expected to behave in a certain way - but then redeem themselves in completely unexpected ways at unpredictable moments. My DH never, ever says the right thing at the right, expected moment. Which can make me feel frustrated, and hard done by, but then he comes good in the nick of time. Not sure why I am defending your DH, as it was clearly thoughtless and mean if him not to ask how you were, but men are from Mars and all that?

Having said all that......we are having our usual discussion about stockings. I do him one, the boys', and his mother. My sisters and I even still do my dad one now that mum is ill. I would like him to do me one. Nothing fancy or expensive, a bar of choc, (Lo carb obv grin), some smellies. His reply? "oh for gods sake, it's so childish, why do we have to bother, it's such a pressure on me, to go out and think of things to buy you and I don't know what you like!! Huff puff etc"

I mean FFS. pressure on him? You mean unlike the pressure on me to buy every single member of our family a Christmas present? How hard for him can it be to think of me for a change, what i might like, things I enjoy (swimming, reading, clothes shopping, smellies, baking blah blah), take some time to think about treating me for a change. It's our wedding anniversary on Sunday. I might get a card, because I have reminded him. It's his birthday on Tuesday - I have bought him some Starbucks coffee, and taking him to London next weekend to stay in a hotel and see wicked. It definitely feels like a bit of a one way street.

There you go wine, you unleashed a bit of a flood gate!! should take my own advice shouldn't I? grin

jan2013 Fri 23-Nov-12 20:58:08

oh wineglass yes Biwi is right he is a twat. and it is nerveracking when theres a dc in the back of the car....you can't even think straight for awhile its like a trauma. i hope you can do something relaxing this weekend to get over it and that your dh is more supportive. xx

Viperidae Fri 23-Nov-12 22:31:33

Sorry you're having such a shit run Wine. It does shake you up having any kind of bump but I don't think men understand at all how anything that might harm our DCs affects us. I'm not defending your DH, he might well be a pillock, but I know that when my DH is at his most twattish, it is usually that he is genuinely oblivious. I worry myself sick about "what ifs" (like when DS was in NY) but they do not even cross his mind.

JessicaWakefield Fri 23-Nov-12 23:11:34

Wine you poor thing. Such a shock and especially nerve racking because you were with your DCs. Hope you have a restful weekend and that you feel a bit brighter after a nights sleep. My DM always used to say to us - it will all seem better in the morning thanks

Heartstart Sat 24-Nov-12 03:07:18

Hi all. Used to be on Bootcamp threads some time ago but life interfered in abig way. I had lost 3 stone but have put a lot back on - not weighed but clothes tell me, the few I can still get in.

Life is still and will continue to be stressful so I have a choice, comfort eat my way through it and get fatter and fatter and then add to my stress or do something about it and feel more in control and healthier. It's a no brainer as they say... But why can't I get going

Morning all! Frosty and foggy here.

Heartstart good to see you back. Sorry that things are still tough I remember that you were having a hard time of it. Come on you did it before you can do it again you know the ropes. <shakes pom poms>. smile

wine hope you and the DCs are ok this morning and DH is being more supportive. Grrrr.

Went to see Skyfall last night (think I must be one of the last people in the country to see it). Great film but I didn't really enjoy it confused. Anyway, went for dinner afterwards and had mushroom fricassee, duck confit, red cabbage and a to die for rosti. God it was good. So if I ignore the rosti bucket of popcorn vat of red wine all was good.

BIWI Sat 24-Nov-12 09:30:48

Heartstart - welcome back! Sorry you've been having a tough time. But, you know, ultimately our own health is our own responsibility, isn't it? It seems so rewarding to comfort eat (or drink grin) at the time, but in the longer term, there is little real reward for us.

However - it's all very well for me to say that - and it's very easy to say it to someone else. I know from my own experience that until I got myself 'into the zone', so to speak, I just couldn't get going. For me, there has always been one key, defining moment that propels me into serious, sustained dieting. This time around it was a day last year - around this time of the year. I was looking for a dress to wear for the MN Christmas meet up. I tried on a lovely dress. It fitted me (just), but it was a size 14 and already straining at the seams. (I'm 5 ft 2 in, so a size 14 going on 16 is going on 'outsize' for me).

I looked at myself in the mirror. The dress clung to the rolls of fat above and below my navel. It was a sleeveless dress, and my upper arms were all flabby and dimpled - that kind of dimpling that is about fatty deposits.

I was disgusted with myself and how I had allowed myself to get that far. I had studiously avoided weighing myself, even though I knew from my clothes - the few I had left in my wardrobe that fitted me any more - that I was piling the weight on.

It was way too late at that point to do much before Christmas, but I vowed that once Christmas/New Year had passed, I was going to get myself sorted out and that I would never, ever let myself do that to myself ever, ever again.

I set myself a date I was going to start and, most importantly, a plan for what I was going to do. In my case, that meant re-embracing low carb eating as well as signing up at the gym with my trainer. I pledged to myself that I was going to commit the time and the money to do it. For me

I think it's also a 'mummy' thing - we are so used/conditioned to doing things for others in our family that we sometimes forget to look after ourselves. In my case, I run my own business, and we had recently been able to pay ourselves a fairly decent dividend, so I ringfenced a proportion of that for my personal training costs. And I felt so guilty about doing it. How stupid is that?! To feel guilty about spending my money, that I had earned, on me?!

BIWI Sat 24-Nov-12 09:32:28

Oh, and here is an inspirational piece about why a calorie is not a calorie

This piece of video is about 9 minutes long, but it's really worth watching.

Welcome back head start! I too found it hard to get going again this time around, and then I get more frustrated with myself and then sabotage myself and don't do it properly. I am a bit better now, and can almost get back into some smaller clothes. I find that in the first few days in particular I have to snack like It is going out of fashion - no idea why, not hunger mainly, but my body rebelling against years of yoyo dieting maybe, so I stock up on pork scratchings, cucumber, celery pate and cream cheese and after that first few days/week I find it easier to stay on track.

NewStartSameStory Sat 24-Nov-12 10:17:53

Morning. Wish things looked better this morning. Instead it looks like a long stressful day. Anyone want to borrow an aspie child in complete meltdown? In the hour and half he has been up we have had two red mist incidents. I expect more to come today. Don't want anything sweet though. Last night's cheats were enough and I want back onto 'normal' food. and to go back to sleep and wake up to a calm day

singing your evening sounds lovely. I can't even remember when I last went to the cinema.

heartstart You can do this you want to do this but it is easy to let stress justify stuff because it is easier in the moment. Once you get started it does get better. And easier. It's just that first step that is hardest. Like learning to walk. expect a few falls to start off with but the more you practise the fast you are up and running. And then you will be wondering what the fuss about learning was. Deep breathe and just do this. You know you want to... and you can do it!

newstart hang in there...

captainmummy Sat 24-Nov-12 11:07:31

Wine - hope you are all ok today, i know the stress can sometimes bring on back- and neck-ache, even if you are not whiplashed, IYSWIM.

Heart - well done for taking a stand.

I have a rare quiet weekend this weekend, but am off to Nuremberg with the boys on friday for the Xmas markets! I am so excited, i go somewhere different every year, not done nuremberg yet! I know it'll be magical, but also from a bit carb-mental, what with beer, gluhwein, nuremberger sausages, gingerbread. I will try to be super-good this weekend, to compensate!

Busy time of year, what with baking, xmas parties,

NewStartSameStory Sat 24-Nov-12 11:17:22

MrsHP - child in bath. I can cope with flooded upstairs better then the aggression and frustration. Just be glad when christmas is over and normal school routine is back as of Jan. I hate this time of year it is always horrific for ds meltdowns. This year has been worse then normal. Poor kid can't cope. I feel sorry that he won't experience the happiness and joy most feel at this time of the year. sad

NewStart, don't be sad, how old is your DS? I think you cope amazingly well with a really, really tough situation. As you say, water is just water and everything dries out! I think Christmas can be amazingly stressful for lots of people and that it isn't all happiness and joy - they are moments within a bigger picture. There will be moments within your bigger picture too when DS is content, they just will look different to what you see on christmas cards. Do you have anyone nearby you that you can have a cup of tea with when necessary?

NewStartSameStory Sat 24-Nov-12 12:33:52

yeah, i do. I have some amazing training partners who know the situation and are very good at helping me see the bigger picture. It really helps. Just some days are better then others. And being woken up by a red mist is a guarenteed hard day. Some days are like walking through a mine field, if you look carefully you can find a path through with least explosions, others a like having to walk through that mine field blindfolded and you only know about the explosions when you are right in the middle of them and you seem to find 101 of the damn things.

He is 7. Christmas day is fine it is this term at school. He'll get there but this year has been really bad. re-assessments, bullying, unrecognition of needs by school. We are off out in a mo. Stuff to do. Hopefully it will distract him a bit.

School sounds rubbish, hope they sort it out soon for him (and you). Have a nice time off out.

Newstart have a hug xx

Welcome back heartstart and sorry things have been so tough for you - I agree with mrshp about making sure you have lots of low carb snacks available when you get back on the wagon

Singing we went to see skyfall last night too. I found it an entertaining film but I was very annoyed by the outcomes for the three female characters (don't want to say more for fear of spoilers!)

PorkyScratching Sat 24-Nov-12 12:46:58

Newstart - hope today with your DS is less of a struggle. It's such a shame that Christmas isnt magical for him, it must be frightening for the poor lad sad

Heartstart - the 1st step is always the hardest, welcome back.

Winegless - hope you are feeling less shaky and a bit calmer.

Today going fine, I did drink some Diet coke though sad wish I hadnt though, as about half an hour later I had the worst stomach pain ever sad It was almost like a contraction, I was bent double with it. Quite scary! Still dont know why, im guessing the gas or something? It passed after a few minutes and Ive been fine since.

Having "cheeseburger pie" for lunch, tastes awesome grin

Viperidae Sat 24-Nov-12 15:32:22

Hello all, hope the day is improving for all of you.

Can anyone suggest best options for a chinese restaurant meal please?

I was planning to go and watch the Xmas lights switch on in our little town centre but it is so blimmin' cold I can't be bothered!

Heartstart Sat 24-Nov-12 16:15:00

Thanks all today's day one and so far so good. More family drama today but think I am overloaded with it all which is a good thing for diet etc as I can't think about anything more for anyone else!

Ladies I am back in the game....

halfthesize Sat 24-Nov-12 17:12:58

Welcome back Heartstart and I hope things improve for you NewStart

wine what can I say Men!!!!

I have had a fantastic day, DS1 took part in the Strictly Junior competition at our local theatre. 19 schools and they came 2nd, it was so close, 5 points difference between 1st and 2nd, so proud, nearly cried grin

DD1 also much better now and apologised for bad behavioursmile

Food wise, have not eaten yet as been so busy, but its 12th wedding anniversary so have bubbly and steak lined upwink

Doshusallie Sat 24-Nov-12 17:41:52

Hey half, you got married the day before me!!!! Did it piss with rain for you too? I got married in red it was so Christmassy.

Brekkie : lidl yoghurt
Lunch : celery with pâté, chunk of cheese, 2 boiled eggs
Tea : will be a seafood stew a la dh.

Have just had 2 babybels and a bit of chorizo for snack.

Looking forward to doing some exercise next week, haven't been for a week.

Weather filthy here - took ds1 to his school chrismptmas fayre, won a bottle of baileys (drool) and wandered round town inr the rain to get ds1 a new coat.

Home now, pj'amaed and ready for slobbing.

BIWI Sat 24-Nov-12 17:51:10

Viper - obviously you will avoid anything with rice/noodles! See if they have lettuce wraps on the menu. This will be a minced pork/mushroom combination, and they will serve it will individual iceberg lettuce leaves that you wrap it in. They will also bring you some hoisin sauce to use, but try and avoid that if you can I never can.

Avoid sweet and sour; also kung po chicken can often be very sweet.

And avoid anything with cashew nuts in.

Go for straight protein as much as you can. A sizzling dish is probably a good idea as they tend not to come swimming in sauces thickened with anything.

Instead of rice/noodles I have either stir-fried mixed vegetables (although you take pot luck sometimes as to what vegetables you get!), or stir-fried waterchestnuts and celery.

Have just been to the gym and am going out to dinner at friends. They have promised to cater for me, so we'll have to see what their understanding of low carb is!

Happy anniversary, halfthesize! thanks

NotMostPeople Sat 24-Nov-12 19:53:16

Hello everyone

Like Heartstart I was on the original bootcamp thread, I went from 12 stone to 10.5 and was enjoying the low carb way of life. When we went on holiday at the beginning of the school holidays and I told myself I'd have the week off. Ever since then Ive tried from time to time to get back in the zone but have actually got worse and worse.

Obviously I've seen my weight creep back up and today I weighed myself and found that I'm now 10.12. That's only part of the story though, my terrible terrible pmt is now back while it had completely gone while I was low curbing. Not only am I grumpy and irritable but very very low for three to four days a month. Also I feel heavy, bloated and tired all the time so I know that I must get back to low carb living.

So today I'm back on track. I'm not sure how much longer you're going for so won't add myself to the spreadsheet.

In the meantime well done all of you who've lost weight and to the fab BIWI for hitting target.

Welcome back NMP! Add yourself on if you want to, there is still two whole weeks to go after this one, you never know you might get back to your 10.5 in that time!

captainmummy Sat 24-Nov-12 20:09:56

Welcome back NMP - nott too much to lose?

captainmummy Sat 24-Nov-12 20:12:50

Sorry = pressed send too soon! Welcome back NMP -I've only got 3lb to lose and am loving this WOE! Have spent weeks months yo-yoing the same lb.

Anyway,DP has gone to his xmas party so am hitting the bath and early bed!

halfthesize Sat 24-Nov-12 20:53:06

Doshusallie hi technically anniversary tomorrow 25th and yes it rained loads but so christmassy, we had christmas decs and allgrin congrats for tomorrow, how many years? x

Heartstart Sat 24-Nov-12 21:11:13

NMP I remember you..we can do it.

EwanHoozami Sat 24-Nov-12 21:24:24

Hello NotMostPeople. I love that this WOE has so many fringe benefits - it's really helping with my PMT so I hope it gives yours a kicking too.

B: Lidl 10% yog
L: tuna and boiled egg salad
D: celeriac and wensleydale soup
S: couple of chunks of 70% choc and a handful of pistachios

I need my ass kicking on the water-drinking front. Am finding it so hard now it's cold confused

Doshusallie Sat 24-Nov-12 21:34:06

Half we are 12 too!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Sun 25-Nov-12 00:15:21

winegless yikes, that's a horrible, horrible scare for you and the munchkins, glad you are ok and hope you have had a better day today (hiding DHs body under the patio should burn some calories)

Happy anniversary to dosh and half (and their DHs, obv)

Hello new peeps, come on in!

Confession time, since the funeral on wed, I haven't yet managed to climb back on the LC wagon, I've made lots of silly, bad choices in a "fuck it, I'm screwed anyway" mad dieter way with old style comfort foods (toast, ice cream). Bah. I think I will just have to write this week off, endure the shame of weigh in, and get back to it. I KNOW I will feel better if I do!!

porky I am intrigued, what is cheeseburger pie exactly?

PorkyScratching Sun 25-Nov-12 07:32:10

blush its beef mince with spring onions & mushrooms mixed in & fried. Then put it in a baking dish (I use several large ramekins) and then make a topping of cream, eggs, mayo & cheese. grin

PorkyScratching Sun 25-Nov-12 07:32:37

Oh, then you oven bake for 25 mins so the toppping goes all melty & cheesey.

jan2013 Sun 25-Nov-12 08:50:56

ended up eating carbs last night... a few of dds biscuits and some toast. just caved in, as there was literally no food in the house as i hadn't been shopping for ages and its entirely my own fault for not doing it, as i know if there had of been a suitable low carb snack i would have been ok. also was running about all day yesterday and tired myself out then had no energy to fight the cravings.

needless to say, feel rubbish today especially after a night of interrupted sleep. have to say though, dd is so cuddly in my bed in her lovely pink bunny night suit that its hard to resist her, but she is coming in every night now.

today, have to go shopping. have to not let last nights failure upset me too much.

hope you all have a lovely sunday, porkscratching that dinner recipie sounds quite simple to do and very yum smile

halfthesize Sun 25-Nov-12 09:46:45

Doshusallie thats so funny, both millennium brides wink Happy Anniversary x

Doshusallie Sun 25-Nov-12 09:47:07

Thanks for anniversary wishes.

Dh is making a lamb tagine thing later with butter nut squash. He is taking out the apricot (boak) in deference to low carb, so I can't moan about the butternut squash - how bad is it exactly? hmm

halfthesize Sun 25-Nov-12 09:58:03

Thanks for anniversary wishes here too,

dosh found this: Carbohydrate and Fiber Counts for Butternut Squash

½ cup raw butternut squash, cubed: 7 grams effective (net) carbohydrate plus 1.5 grams fiber and 32 calories
1 oz. raw butternut squash: 3 grams effective (net) carbohydrate plus .5 gram fiber and 13 calories
4 oz raw butternut squash (¼ lb): 11 grams effective (net) carbohydrate plus 2.5 grams fiber and 50 calories

halfthesize Sun 25-Nov-12 10:00:20

Jan sorry to hear you had a bad day food wise, just put it behind you and start a fresh. I have to say your DD with her lovely pink bunny night suit, sounds impossible to resistsmile
I had my DS2 in with us last night, I just love the cuddles x

Happy anniversaries all round. It's our anniversary (of when we got together - we aren't married) on Saturday and we are going to a boutique (snarf) hotel for the night on Friday

It happen to us all, jan, but you know he only way to feel better is to get straight back on it. And do look after yourself too

Today is lovely and sunny in a bracing sort of a way and I went for a nice run (dodging churchgoers most of the way!)

BIWI Sun 25-Nov-12 10:19:48

So, my dinner:

Baked Camembert, with breadsticks (no other implement to eat molten cheese with)
Leek and potato soup with melba toast
Roast lamb (marinated and glazed with honey), with broccoli, red cabbage with cranberries, carrots, mashed potato and swede
Pear and apple crumble with vanilla ice-cream
Box of chocolates

The only saving grace was that as I was driving, wine consumption was one glass of Champagne on arrival and half a glass of white with the meal.

It was a lovely meal, (and a really great evening with much loved friends), but it's so frustrating when you have specifically explained about low carbing to be served with this. It indicates just how people really don't understand where carbohydrates are!

After the soup I just went with it and decided to enjoy the food. Which I did - it was very lovely - although I really noticed just how sweet everything was.

Back on the wagon today - and off for a killer session at the gym with my trainer this morning, so hopefully the damage is minimal. But I doubt the scales will still be showing 9.6 tomorrow sad

MsRinky Sun 25-Nov-12 10:23:10

I know butternut is higher than other veg, but I have it quite often and it isn't a problem for me.

jan2013 Sun 25-Nov-12 10:29:30

Biwi i don't understand it really, i mean to everyone without any knowledge of carbs surely they still know carbs mean bread and potatoes? what else would it mean lol oh i suppose they might just think pasta. i guess to me before i knew anything about carbs (and even my family knew this and they knew nothing until i explained) the main carbs are bread pasta and potatoes. i thought at least that was common knowledge! but at least your main course was a meat based dish smile and it sounds a lovely dinner out.

BIWI Sun 25-Nov-12 10:32:39

Ah well. It was a lovely evening, and just one of those things.

NotMostPeople Sun 25-Nov-12 10:44:27

Thanks for the welcome, one pound down already don't tell me it's water which I'm taking as encouragement to keep going. Heartstart we WILL do it again.

Off for a brisk dog walk and a swim later.

Exactly jan. I wouldn't necessarily expect non-low-carbers to know the ins and outs of dairy products and the carb values of carrots and peas but bread/potatoes/pasta/rice is pretty basic!

Your dinner does sound lovely though biwi.

captainmummy Sun 25-Nov-12 11:01:25

Wow BIWI - so carbs with every course! How do you feel today? I'd be bloated up like a balloon after that.

I missed out on dinner last night - we went to the pub to watch the rugby and kind of fell into vodka instead. 1 bowl of veg soup, then bath and bed.

Breakfast today - greek yog with a few berries.

I find butternut squash is fine for me too on the occaision that I have it. In the grand scheme of things I think it is a better carb, and there probably won't be too much of it within the dish so I reckon it sounds lovely!

Yesterday was another write off for me, I just cannot stay on track for a whole week it would seem at the moment. Luckily where I had carby things I didn't eat very much across the whole day so the damage didn't seem too bad this morning on the scales. Today will be a better day - bacon, eggs and mushroom for breakfast/brunch and we are having roast chicken with veg for dinner.

Ilovemyteddy Sun 25-Nov-12 12:11:54

Welcome back Heartstart and NMP I think the good thing for you both is that you know that this WOE works for you when you stick to it, so you can climb back on the wagon and watch those pounds disappear.

I think it's really much harder to stick to any diet at this time of year. It's cold and wet (although it's beautifully sunny here today), there are a million things to do before Christmas, and it's harder to be as organised as you need to be with this WOE when you are trying to organise all of the Christmas stuff (that's what I keep telling myself!) The shops are full of gorgeous foodie goodies and I'm sure we are all putting pressure on ourselves to get into that LBD before the big day.

I'm finding that, having done this WOE for nearly a year now, that I am in danger of backsliding because I still haven't got my head around this as a Way of Eating for life - it still feels like a diet to me sometimes. I'm sure that comes with the emotional side of eating that many of us suffer from. I'm still losing weight, but it feels like a bit of a slog at the moment.

BUT we all know that if we do fall off the wagon a week of being good can get us back on track again, and at least with this WOE you can eat well, rather than on any other 'diet' where your mindset is to starve yourself if you put weight on.

I promised myself that when I got close to my target (11lbs to go) I would go and get measured properly for a bra as I have never done that before, and the posters on the S&B thread are always raving about how a good fitting bra can take lbs off you. So I trotted off to Rigby and Peller yesterday. I have been wearing 42C bras for every. She measured me - by eye - no tape measures involved. I am now the proud owner of 2 34E bras. I am also a considerable amount lighter in the wallet department grin But the difference in how my clothes look on me is staggering. I didn't measure myself when I started this WOE but 8 inches off my bust is amazing! And my norks are the same size - but are heading ever southwards grin

Off to the gym this afternoon for an hour's personal training. I desperately need to tone up - so that's going to be the next target after I've got rid of this 11lbs.

BIWI Sun 25-Nov-12 12:57:19

Well a very gruelling session with the PT this morning. If that hasn't burnt off some of those carbs, nothing will!

I don't feel great, tbh. Stomach is rumbling a la IBS, which is a bit concerning. I slept really badly too - no idea if that's just a coincidence.

I have to go out after my shower/lunch, to buy some killer shoes for a posh lunch I'm going to on Friday - and then I think I might take to my bed for an afternoon kip.

Doshusallie Sun 25-Nov-12 13:21:17

biwi. Your meal sounds amazing. I think you did the right thing just going with it, no point ruining a whole night out when it's clearly a write off food wise, by agonising over what is put in front of you.

Thanks all for carb content of butternut squash, hopefully will be ok.

teddy agree wholeheartedly about how hard it is at this time of year - Christmas baking, chocolate EVERYWHERE, mince bloody pies at every turn, never mind the alcohol, my personal nemesis as you all know. I too must tone up a bit, really looking forward to going to the gym and swimming this week after a week of no exercise.

Just been out for an extremely muddy family walk - had to strip both boys at the car, unreal. What is it about boys and mud?

Lidl yog for brekkie, celery, pâté, cheese, corned beef, cucumber, lettuce and mayo for lunch. 2 teaspoons PB for snack.

PorkyScratching Sun 25-Nov-12 14:44:52

My DH is baking a chocolate cake ... sad how much damage would 1 teeny slice do .......

Viperidae Sun 25-Nov-12 16:27:14

Happy anniversaries to all involved!

Dosh I know bitternut squash is not perfect but it is in quite a few IPD recipes so I always count it as not too terrible.

Well I not only fell off the wagon yesterday, I tumbled under the wheels, eating stupid amounts of totally wrong chinese food. Consequently had stomach ache and felt horrid.

I am finding a very strange side-effect of this diet, any psychology buffs out there? I am losing my sweet tooth (yaaay!) and so am not craving foods I would on other diets but I still get that "I want to eat something" feeling. The problem is that I don't know what I want to eat when I get that and am finding it quite agitating and unsettling. Does that sound totally weird? I have lots of suitable low carb snacks and know I don't want those but I'm finding it quite upsetting to not know what I want. confused

BIWI Sun 25-Nov-12 16:59:17

Do you really want to eat though, Viper, when you get those feelings? Is it just that you would have eaten, before?

I'm off out on Friday for a Christmas lunch, that is always a very boozy affair. It's a private dining club that DH belongs to, and is usually around a 5-6 course meal, with a different wine with each course. The menu this year is pretty good from a low carb point of view, thankfully, although the amount of wine will put paid to me being good, and I will be eating dessert.

I am going to wear my new dress, and I found these shoes which are exactly the same fabric to go with it

Doshusallie Sun 25-Nov-12 17:10:28

Viper I get that - I rely in peanut butter for exactly those moments.

Doshusallie Sun 25-Nov-12 17:11:08


BIWI Sun 25-Nov-12 17:12:49

I know! I tried them on with the dress, to make sure that they really went together. I optimistically took the size 10 into the changing room (I have bought a size 12), but sadly it still didn't fit.

WineGless Sun 25-Nov-12 17:26:23

Hi all and welcome back NMP and heartstart - good to "see" up you both back here. You know you can do it as you did it before , it's the emotional eating that gets me. If that's what you are struggling with I can recommend a chapter in IPD (although I see that India has fallen off the wagon recently by all accounts)

Happy anniversary Dosh and half! Hope you have both had a lovely day with yr Oh.

We have been out for lunch with good friends.
I had roast beef and turkey, Brussels sprouts, cauli, broccoli and braised red cabbage with gravy which was possibly carby. I then had cheeseboard but left the oatcakes that came with it. Feeling chuffed with myself and planning an omlette and salad for tea but completely stuffed.

Viper - Yes!!!!! I know exactly what you mean, I have that as well. I think it is to do with the texture of foods. I like the texture and crunchiness of carby snacks and the only thing that vaguely replicates that I find is pork scratchings. Sometimes those atkins bars do the trick though and although processed and not ideal and everything I think probably better than a whole tube of pringles or toast anyway... maybe buy one of those for next time and see if that does the trick? Other than that I try to have cream cheese and celery or try to drink something like a peppermint tea as nothing in my mind goes well with a peppermint tea!!!

Happy anniversary Dosh

Good job on the lunch fron Wine. I love that virtuous (although don't think I can spell it!) feeling after a 'good' meal out with lots of temptation!

WineGless Sun 25-Nov-12 17:50:34

Halo is shining and still no wine not gagging for a glass, oh no not me

BIWI Sun 25-Nov-12 17:56:10

November is nearly over, WineGless!

WineGless Sun 25-Nov-12 17:58:11

Thank The Lord! Although November is finishing on 29th this year as am out on a hen night on 30th! Already booked my low carb menu and bottle of red wink

NotMostPeople Sun 25-Nov-12 18:30:57

Is peanut butter allowed? I used to buy thoses little packs of macadamia nuts for those moments when you crave something bad.

BIWI Sun 25-Nov-12 18:33:18

Check the carb count first, NMP - some have a lot of sugar in them!

Doshusallie Sun 25-Nov-12 18:36:25

I have a whole foods sugar free one from tescos.....7 something carbs per 100g so. It great but bettter than chocolate.....

Doshusallie Sun 25-Nov-12 18:49:20

So not great

EwanHoozami Sun 25-Nov-12 19:18:41

I have a jar of Sainsbo's Basics peanut butter and assumed it was no-go but it's only 3.9g/100g - not bad!

Viper I get those 'I could eat but I don't know what to eat' moments too. I think it's because the high-carb snacks are easier to pile into so the evaluation process doesn't get a chance to kick in.

Right have been discussing Christmas menu with my mother and have managed to get her to let me do some of the meals over the days we're spending with them so I'll have control over some of the carb intake at least!

I won't be too strict, but I would like to spend Christmas with as little bloating etc as possible, so (fingers crossed) I won't go mad.

I agree that shopping is getting ever harder with all the Christmas goodies! I just adore mince pies (I may have mentioned this before grin) and they are bloody everywhere! I just have to keep reminding myself how lovely my mum's homemade ones are and hold out for them.

Doshusallie Sun 25-Nov-12 19:28:57

Ewan really ?? Must get some of that sainsburys PB then!!!!

Tea was 2 big pork chops fried in butter, with mushrooms and leeks fried in butter and cream. Utterly divine. Huge meal, am stuffed.

EwanHoozami Sun 25-Nov-12 19:56:37

Yep just double checked and is 3.9g of which sugars 1.9g. It pays to be cheap, clearly they've scrimped on the sugar!

NotAgainAndAgain Sun 25-Nov-12 22:57:08

Thank you MrsPoirot very much for the recipe, I will try it out and report smile

JessicaWakefield Sun 25-Nov-12 23:24:05

Have had stomach pains since Sunday lunch at PILs - avoided the obvious usual suspects, potatoes, Yorkshire puddings etc but I think MIL was very liberal with the flour in the gravy. What's strange is that back in the day when I had porridge for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch and pasta for dinner I didn't have these violent reactions to wheat based foods. I guess in hindsight I wasn't feeling great and I wasn't the weight I wanted to be but it seems as though when your body is very rarely exposed to gluten (if that's the trigger) then when it is, it just literally finds it indigestible.

Won't be able to weigh in tomorrow as scales fell out of wardrobe a few days ago. The base has ruptured off and wires are hanging out of the bottom. Given the amount of emotion I invest in the numbers they come up with they definitely don't look very trustworthy!

Viperidae Sun 25-Nov-12 23:58:05

Saw the cheeseburger pie recipe and it reminded me that, many years ago when we lived in South Africa there used to be a traditional dish called Bobotie that was a mild, curried mince with a baked egg topping. I'll look out the recipe and let you know if it is any good.

I'm glad it's not just me that has this weird craving/non-craving feeling. I have been really bad this weekend as I got myself a bit weirded out but am back on the wagon tomorrow.

NewStartSameStory Mon 26-Nov-12 04:58:47

Morning. hideously earning start this morning. But 1kg down.

Hope you all have a good week. Onwards and downwards.

hurricanewyn Mon 26-Nov-12 07:43:43

Ugh New - that is early.

Well I've weighed and logged. Bad week for me, lots of cheating that translated to a 5lb gain. Set me back 2 weeks. I'm so cross with myself.

Morning! Grey, miserable and generally dreary but at least the rain seems to have stopped and we now have power back again thankfully.

Newstart - yay! Good news. Hope you have a good day. smile

Viper, that feeling of wanting something but not knowing what, I get that as well. It's a weird feeling as its quite strong I find. Usually try water with lime and ice in case it's thirst and the lime makes it a bit different.

Weight wise I am sts - 9.7 on Friday. That's the one I'm claiming for this week especially after the weekend ....... blush

Waves to everyone. Welcome to any newcomers - Porky I spotted you. smile

captainmummy Mon 26-Nov-12 07:59:34

Newstart - I was up at 3am with ds3 who was feeling sick. Got him back to bed with a bucket, to hear him being sick at 4am. Have spent the rest of the night half-awake, waiting.

Didn't wiegh today, bit dazy...forgot.

Viper - if you still need something crunchy/biscuity, try those flaxseed rosemary-and-seasalt crackers on 'i breathe...I'm hungry' website. They are easy to make, low-carb and just the job for spreading with peanut butter, marmite, cheese etc.

BIWI Mon 26-Nov-12 08:10:26

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