Week 6 - Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - On the Downhill Stretch

(302 Posts)
BIWI Mon 05-Nov-12 06:48:40

Morning losers!

Here is the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness for your viewing pleasure

Four weeks to go!
Short but sweet OP today, as I have to go off to work early.
Hope everyone has a good week.

hurricanewyn Mon 05-Nov-12 06:57:24

Thanks BIWI - just marking my place.

1/2 lb off this week - a blinking miracle so I'm thrilled grin

Oh I tested the diet and excerscise v just diet and loss was 3lb instead of my normal 4 . But have to say I have felt more lethargic and stiff without it . But won't feel so bad now if miss the odd day

Well done hurricane.

I'm a lb up, but considering the fiasco that was m eating this week, I reckon that actually will v undoable this week!

Morning! Sts for me which is fine given the past couple of weeks. An extra well done to ilove that is a fantastic loss. grin

thanks for the new thread, hope everyone has a good week

i've stayed the same too, but that's the effect of the forced cheats earlier this week and G&Ts to warm up after the fireworks on saturday

i must must must get back to the exercising, which i stopped doing when i had tonsillitis and haven't got back into the swing of (my getting better coincided with the clocks changing which didn't help as i now come home in the dark!). i've decided to concentrate on the running for now as it's what i enjoy so that will keep me motivated, and after christmas i'll look at more resistance training, and would like to run five days a week if i can

tartiflette Mon 05-Nov-12 07:49:01

Morning.
Miraculous 1lb off today

cathyandclaire Mon 05-Nov-12 07:51:53

Just realised it's weigh in after 2 coffees and a litre of water...oops, hoping for sts after big weekend of eating and mostly drinking in london. Will be good today and weigh in tomorrow.
Well done to all the losers.

EwanHoozami Mon 05-Nov-12 08:13:13

STS here too.

Not cheated as such, but a sweetener here and there, too much dairy and 80% choc have done their work.

Also my hips are a bit dicky at the moment and the ibuprofen makes me retain water, I think.

Bloomin' baltic here today. Didn't want to stay nekkid on the scales for too long!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Mon 05-Nov-12 08:17:43

Morning all, can't believe we're past halfway!

3.5 lbs off for me this morning. My first reading actually made it 4 but I was so flabbergasted I moved the scales around the floor a few times and took an average.

I am so chuffed! Just one cake cheat, rest of time been bootcamp good. So that's 15 lbs in total, over a stone feckity feck for me!!

BIWI, willie, dosh, winegless and everyone else thanks for all the thread support thanks thanks thanks

GoldenOrangeWhippoorwhill Mon 05-Nov-12 08:38:22

Urgh, I'm a pound up. I've not cheated but due to the new puppy and numerous trips to Heathrow Airport, four times in a week sad , meals have been very irregular and I've relied on too many nuts, cold meats and cheeses and eaten too many Burger King Steakhouse Double Angus burgers without the bun. The BBQ sauce must have a ton of carbs and I keep forgetting to ask for it without.

Sleep has been very disturbed too. I'm sleeping in the Futility Room with the puppy and our old dog because I don't trust them alone together quite yet. Pup sleeps soundly most of the night but the other dog scratches, washes her paws and tummy loudly, moves around, rakes around her bedding to make a more comfortable heap, grumbles at the puppy if she gets too close, snores like a pig and yips and runs in her sleep. All bloody night! Then she wakes up at 6 o'clock and wants to go up the garden. She's an old girl and has got cancer so probably doesn't have too long left so I can't get mad at her but lord she's disturbing. Even the puppy gives her this look hmm when she wakes her up at the crack of dawn.

Jins Mon 05-Nov-12 08:55:29

Guess what?

Stayed the same again!

Shagmundfreud Mon 05-Nov-12 08:56:47

Same as last week but I'm at the tail end of a period - always drop a bit the week afterwards.

I seem to lose weight in bursts and then stagnate for a bit. I might do a few days of non dairy this week and see how that feels.

Really pleased with my weight loss overall . Getting to under 10 stone now seems realistic.

Themumsnot Mon 05-Nov-12 09:00:29

1lb off this week. The food thing is going well, the wine thing is not blush
Still 10lb total loss over five weeks is good.

Jacaqueen Mon 05-Nov-12 09:11:31

I have lost a pound but I was up in the night with a sore throat so had a hot drink around 4am. I have also just been to the toilet and now feel much lighter. So I am going to weigh in again in the morning and hope that another pound has gone. I will update the spreadsheet then. Will serve me right if I have gone up.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 05-Nov-12 10:10:56

Another pound gone overnight but still 1.5 pounds up on last week so not brilliant. Just popped into town after school run, bumped into friend and found myself drinking a chai latte in Neros. Never realised before how sweet they are, they were my favourite treat drink but must have a ton of sugar in them. All in all not a great start to the week but hopefully can only get better. Well done to everyone who's lost and commiserations to anyone in the same boat as me.

captainmummy Mon 05-Nov-12 10:12:56

I can't get on the spreadsheet - it just loads for ages then I get a blank page. Can someone put me on - i stayed the same (again)!

captain have sorted you (if you keep having problems try a different browser eg google chrome - i find i can only fiddle with the spreadsheet in chrome)

captainmummy Mon 05-Nov-12 10:23:50

Thanks willie - not tried chrome but the DC use it so will change over on my laptop.

Brasssection Mon 05-Nov-12 10:54:27

Well done losers and the not losers too as not many of you seemed to have out on too much despite cheats.

ABitWoozy Mon 05-Nov-12 11:02:54

Yay! Lost the 3lb weight I put on last week blush and another 1lb as well grin

I'm back on the exercise wagon as well now, hoping for a better result next week.

Viperidae Mon 05-Nov-12 11:11:28

I lost another 2lb and that is being conservative as I don't trust my psycho scales. I am seriously thinking of going back to the old-fashioned dial type ones.

This morning I appeared to have put on half a stone, after a sharp intake of breath I stepped off and on again and 5lb of it went. Repeated the process 3x and got a different number each time so have taken a sensible guess. I haven't been optimistic as we are away for the next 2 weekends and I don't want to depress myself further down the line.

I have now lost 15lb on this bootcamp and 23lb from when I first started. Although it has not made a huge difference as I have a lot to lose I think I am beginning to see and feel a bit of a change myself. thanks to all for your support!

GOOD NEWS! DS HAS MADE IT HOME!! Not spoken yet as he lives "darn sarf" but he has texted and will ring later. What a relief!

Boobz Mon 05-Nov-12 11:28:42

Well done Viperidae! 15lbs is amazing, and 23 is getting towards 2 stone! You must be well chuffed! I also like your strategy of putting a very low weight on the spreadsheet, meaning you are the biggest loser (% wise) every week - very clever wink

I am 2lbs down this week, so am now 118lb and can fit into my skinny jeans <preen>. Still a little way to go to get my legs looking the way I want them to though! 11.9lbs off since bootcamp began - woop!

Keep going everyone!

hurricanewyn Mon 05-Nov-12 11:49:14

That's great news Viper thanks - you must be so relieved.

Viperidae Mon 05-Nov-12 12:02:32

Haha Boobz, if only that were true! I almost confused myself with that last week too!

Instead of approaching this as dieting I am trying to think long term so I have set myself some aims which are to be healthier by eating healthily and sustainably and exercising more. Maybe I should add reaching a weight that I am not too embarrassed to write down to that!

MsRinky Mon 05-Nov-12 12:13:52

2lb off. Not bad, but not great, as I had stayed the same for the last couple of weeks. I know slow and steady is the best way, but it's pretty wearing when you have a lot to lose.

Anyway, I am at the Dr's tonight for my pill check and they will weigh me. Not sure how much I weighed last time (a year ago). I think I should be about 20kg (44lb) down, so I hope they are pleased with me.

WineGless Mon 05-Nov-12 12:21:11

Checking in as am at work, first day back after Hols and completely forgot this morning with rushing round.
Well done everyone!

Doshusallie Mon 05-Nov-12 12:35:09

[scrambles onto new thread!] Hi all! grin

Pound up to 9 3 today, but to be brutally honest with you after the amount of wine drunk in the last 7 days I am dead chuffed with that. Will aim for 9 1 by end of the week. Consider myself to be in maintenance now.

Am claiming my friend's weight loss as my own anyway as feel directly responsible for it. grin She is calling it the Doshdiet. (sorry BIWI but she would not know who you are)

Alpro yoghurt this morning. 2 decaf black coffees, a cuppa tea and 2 pints of water.

Not sure what to have for lunch, omelette I think.

All overslept this morning, still tired from the half term carnage and party on Saturday night. Working at home today, bliss.

dotty2 Mon 05-Nov-12 12:39:35

Plucked up courage to weigh and am down 1lb from previous disastrous regain so heading in the right direction at least. And that after a big cheating weekend of baking for visiting parents. Back on the straight and narrow and going for a run later. Well done everyone - especially those of you for whom the end is in sight.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 05-Nov-12 12:42:08

I'm 161.4 - can someone add my weight to the spreadsheet as I am on an ancient work computer that won't let me edit my details. Thank you!

Thanks for all the "well done's" on the previous thread. I hope that those of you who want to lose lots of weight will see that it can be done - but slowly and surely is the best way to do it. MsRinky - if you've lost 44lbs in a year you should be REALLY proud of yourself thanks

Viper - glad to hear that DS is safely back in Blighty smile

teddy have sorted spreadsheet

msrinky 44lb is over 3 stones and is brilliant. i know how frustrating it can be to feel that you still have a lot more to lose and weight loss seems slow, but you know you're doing the right thing

fab that your son is back safely viper, i bet he's relieved to see his own bed!

Piffle Mon 05-Nov-12 14:01:51

Awesome losses! I weigh on a Weds as am racing supporting DH and this is when he weighs.
Monday weigh ins are brutal LOL
I have had bad PMT and are some choc covered honeycomb
Bad bad bad
Back on track now

MsRinky Mon 05-Nov-12 14:33:03

Ilovemyteddy, you're my inspiration !

I know I'm being impatient. And although it's a year since I've been at the Dr, it's only 32 weeks since I started to lose weight. So I've really lost about 1.3lbs a week over the period, which I know is good, I really do.

I think I just have engrained in my head the idea that 2lb a week is a slow but steady rate of loss, and I therefore think that I should have lost 64lbs, not 44. But in reality, while you can lose 2lb a week for a few weeks quite easily, achieving that rate of loss week in week out for a prolonged and sustained period of time is, I think, very rare.

There's a thread on here called something like lose 2lb a week for 30-odd weeks which I'm resisting going in to because I don't want to discourage anyone who thinks they can lose that much (and good luck to them!) but I do think it's kind of setting up to fail. It's a hell of an ask.

I am back, hopefully with a vengeance. The back is still sore, mega tablets still being consumed but I have bit the bullet and asked the Dr to refer me back to my consultant for another MRI scan to see whats going on now. I know a piece of my spine has broken off, but I think it may have moved again. sad
I really dont want another op, but I cant lie around eating any more. Weight is creeping up along with carb intake which in turn doesnt help my back.

So although I am still poorly I am going to try to low carb as much as possible.

BIWI Mon 05-Nov-12 16:27:02

Ouch, Jax. Yes, low carb/weight loss can only be a good thing. thanks to cheer you up!

MsRinky - I have lost 25lbs now ignores the fact that I must have put a few back on over this last weekend and it's taken me since February to do that. So it's been very slow. But it's coming off, and it's much more likely to stay off. But I know how easy it is to get fixated on the weekly loss, rather than standing back and looking at your overall progress.

Do you chart your weight loss? Seeing the line gradually moving downwards can be a great motivator, as well as a constant reminder that things are very definitely going in the right direction.

I'm doing my '3 Day Experiment' (goodness only knows why it's called that), to undo the badness of the last few days. I hate doing it, but I really need to get back on track. It's three days of ultra low carb and it's also supposed to be low fat - so basically three days of lean protein/eggs. It's duller than dullsville, but it does work. So far today, I have had a boiled egg for breakfast, and then some sliced roast turkey and sliced roast beef with a bit of horseradish on it. Dinner tonight is roast pork, so I will just have the meat component, whereas DH and DS2 will have a full complement of veg.

captainmummy Mon 05-Nov-12 16:50:06

so is it for 3 days BIWI? I saw a 'hospital approved' diet sheet some years ago, whereby you could only eat eggs and tomatoes - I think it went - Breakfast 2boiled eggs, lunch 2 boiled eggs and a tomato, dinner 3 boiled eggs and 2 tomatoes. I did it for 2 days! It was designed to lose 1 stone in less than a month,for heart-surgery patients.

Can you imagine doing that for a month?

Rinky try looking at it monthly rather than weekly makes easier to work out and allows for bad weeks

Sorry BIWI

Rinky it can be substained over period of time at that loss but it's bloody hard work and miserable and involves low carb and low fat and no booze and not slipping up even in the once no room for that one glass of wine or that one biscuit . Only know as been on it since Mid end of June and even I'm aware that means that at some point my body will need learn to eat proper again and will take lot of will power to keep of !! But you are right very few keep at it more than 3/4 weeks .

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Mon 05-Nov-12 16:58:20

viper very glad to read your Ds is safe!!

mrsrinky in my mind, 2lbs a week is a great rate of loss! Esp long term, so anything close to that is doing fine. I hope you get some encouragement from your doctors, tho of course you are doing it for you, not them.

B oatbran with water and cream
L 1 slice roast beef, a few slices cucumber, 2 slices beet root, small coleslaw pot (at work canteen, not a great choice)
Snack about 30g nuts, couple of chilli olives

Off to check fridge for tea. Well done everyone!!

Btw your diet seems far nicer and more filling !! And better in a long term and at some point I'll move over to doing it but on the light side probably 3 days then eat on the other 4 or as a lifetime maintenance will never go back to high carbs

I put a reply on here and its vanished... poof! anyway, BIWI I have sent a PM to you.

And I said day one has gone well. weird.

BIWI Mon 05-Nov-12 18:48:08

captainmummy - yes, it's for three days only. Apparently you should be able to lose 3-5lbs doing it. However, given that it's about 'undoing' some very high carb eating on previous days, it's probably just about emptying the glycogen stores rather than losing actual fat. But it gets you back into ketosis quickly.

I couldn't bear doing it for longer than three days. And I certainly don't want to do eggs and tomatoes!

sybilfaulty Mon 05-Nov-12 19:27:23

Hello everyone, couldn't weigh today as MIL here and using my bathroom with the scales in, so I was confined to the bathroom without. I'll weigh tomorrow. Am feeling a bit low (about nothing in particular) so not in the mood for a good weigh but hoping that a nice LC supper and a good swim tomorrow will sort me out.

Well done to everyone who has lost, and to those who have pigged and not put on too much. Special jazz hands for Teddy on her amazing loss. Sorry we all thought you were up the duffer. Huge congratulations on the loss though. Bloody marvellous.

I love these threads and find them inspiring, even though I don't post as much as I'd like. Thanks to everyone for keeping them going and to BIWI for starting.

thanks for all.

halfthesize Mon 05-Nov-12 19:31:49

Eve all and well done on some great weight loss, I STS but considering the wine, my mums 60th and now totm I am quite happysmile

Viper really pleased your DS is home safegrin

I think I may join you BIWI with the 3 day experiment as have DH Birthday on Friday and off out in new slinky pink dress on Saturday evewink

MegTheCat Mon 05-Nov-12 20:07:24

Hello all
Well, I was a pound up this morning. Not too bad in the scheme of things. I had a stressful week last week - I was TUPE'd mid week and had 2 days induction with the new employer. It was exhausting - I spent most of Saturday in bed. I'm looking forward to being able to just get on with some work. Oh and lunch was provided both days. All sandwiches and cake of course - except for some kebabs which appeared to have been coated in sugar (prob barbecue sauce - I'm hoping its just that I'm not used to sweet tastes now), and strawberries. Couldn't avoid some carby things, and I've been craving chocolate (resisted apart from 1 square of 90%).
It looks like a few of us have put on the odd pound this week. I'm really glad to have the encouragement on this thread or the lack of loss might get me down. Thanks all thanks
Viper - glad your ds is back safe

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 20:48:46

Phew, than you for letting me off the guilt hook about "no gym" - I've accepted that it is just coming off slowly, but now and then I desperation gets me "when then????!!!!"
Saying that, I know I have not been entirely LC over these days with haloween and fireworks - nothing criminal, but some vino again. And I forgot to get myself on the scales this morning - not a good sign, probably subconsciously. S/s tomorrow then.

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 20:51:10

Phew, thank you for letting me off the guilt hook about "no gym" - I've accepted that it is just coming off slowly, but now and then I desperation gets me "when then????!!!!"
Saying that, I know I have not been entirely LC over these days with haloween and fireworks - nothing criminal, but some vino again. And I forgot to get myself on the scales this morning - not a good sign, probably subconsciously. S/s tomorrow then.

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 20:51:43

oops I did not mean twice

Doshusallie Mon 05-Nov-12 21:45:15

Pas de problem not again. grin

Trying to read while dh watches 999 emergency - but can't help watching as all the dickheads call in for no reason preventing real emergencies getting help. I blame Jeremy Kyle.

Lunch was 3 egg omelette with salad, tea was a pork belly strip, more ham and some cheese and celery.

No wine tonight, going to try and have a week off[clenches fist in determination ]

Sorry you are felling low sybs.

Glad son is home and safe viper.

Piffle Mon 05-Nov-12 21:52:04

God I've a fearful case of munchies...
Had bacon egg and mushrooms for Brekkie
Lunch was pumpkin soup with Parmesan and soured cream
Dinner was roast beef, cavalo Nero, swede chips....
But I am wanting sugar, damn hormones...
I just had a few nuts, and another slab of beef and horseradish...
Lots if water, scales are not happy...
Will try try to regather tomorrow, on the up side I did a lot of walking today...

WineGless Mon 05-Nov-12 22:08:31

Hey jax welcome back t the fold.

BIWI that sounds minging- how do you do it? Mind over matter I suppose. Oh and that gorgeous dress that you have bought!
Not again, on the scales with me in the morning? I am seriously worried about tomorrow.

Been to bonfire tonight which was mad rush to get out so had hot dog there without the bun which was disgusting and a mug of soup which tasted like Knorr packet stuff. Bleurgh!

Just had 2 boiled eggs and pint f water to fill me up.

Dosh - what are you reading? I have just reread the godfather which was our book club book.

Piffle-be strong

Toomuch month -well done on your Fab weight loss btw. You need to stay away from those gorgeous cakes at our meet up venue wink

vnmum Mon 05-Nov-12 22:13:10

Forgot to weigh this morning as it was my first day at work.

I can see a potential problem at work in that brews keep appearing every hour or so smile I have taken in some coconut milk but have a feeling it could get a bit carby too quickly.

The young girls at work couldn't grasp why i don't eat bread or potatoes etc. Mind you, they live off carbs and thought food would be boring without them but they did agree that added butter, cream, cheese and full fat mayo tasted nice so my food isn't tasteless.

It looks like i will be on my feet for nearly 8 hours a day at work so i am hoping that will act as low level exercise and will help with the weight loss although my legs are tireder than i expected considering i can beast myself in the gym for 2 hours smile

WineGless Mon 05-Nov-12 22:19:17

Vnmum- sorry I meant to post good luck this morning. How was the actual work then? Did you enjoy it and how are DC? Are they at childminder yet or is that in a couple of months?

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 05-Nov-12 23:06:55

Need to reduce my dairy for a few days, can't believe how much double cream and cheese I'm getting through. Any suggestions for the tastiest alternative for a cup of tea? I can't get through the day without several cups ( at least).

Viperidae Mon 05-Nov-12 23:26:37

Good luck with the job vnmum. My last job was an on your feet all day job and you do get used to it.

caramelwaffle Tue 06-Nov-12 00:12:43

Hello there.

I couldn't weigh in this morning as I had drank two litres of water and eaten breakfast and lunch before I remembered. I know I am the same, or up however.

Congratulations on all the losses.

I talked with a colleague who has followed this plan for the past few months and lost 3 stones in weight.

NewStartSameStory Tue 06-Nov-12 04:59:20

flying through. late. sts have a good one.

dotty2 Tue 06-Nov-12 06:23:20

Hope the new job is everything you hope for vnmum. Re. tea alternatives for you and Lavender boring, but I have convinced myself I like black coffee - surprised myself really, as I didn't drink that much coffee before, only really a latte as a treat when I was in a cafe or (my particular downfall) going on a train. I think it's partly having trained my tastebuds out of expecting quite so much sweet stuff - it's less sweet without the milk.

And herbal tea, obviously - not the fruity stuff, but peppermint and some of the flavours from the pukka company - they sell them in Sainsburys. (Fairly sure it's not the same Pukka as the Pies...)

Very tired last night and one square of dark choc led to half a bar. Total abstinence is the only way for me, I think.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Tue 06-Nov-12 07:37:44

Dotty - coffee gives me horrible headaches so even though I quite like one now and again I couldn't drink it regularly. Can't imagine drinking black tea as my cuppa though. I have tried it but it just doesn't have the same effect. I know what you mean about sweet stuff though, I had a chai latte yesterday and it was too sweet for me to finish and before this WOE I could have had 3 in a row. I'm sure I have read about oat or almond milk (or maybe it was soy) being ok. Suppose I will have to try a few and see which I prefer just need to make sure it's low carb too.
I have discovered pork belly strips are really yummy. I hadn't been cooking them long enough so just thought they were really fatty and chewy. Are they ok to eat regularly do you think or should they be an occasional thing? My DH says they are a heart attack on a plate (as he munches chocolate and biscuits). Still not sure if my diet has enough fat as mostly just eating what everyone else has minus the carby bit.
On bright side have lost another pound overnight so back on track. Maybe it was just water from TOM but now back where I was a week ago pretty much.
Apologies for epic post, you guys are my sounding board for all this stuff as all my RL friends think I'm mad (but slightly envy my weightloss and the food I can eat).

vnmum Tue 06-Nov-12 07:49:51

Morning all. Remembered to weigh this morning. 1lb up which is good considering the latter half of last week food wise.

WIne The job went well, the DC were fine. FUll of stories of their day as soon as I came in. They are hopefully starting with a local childminder after xmas, I am just waiting for her to get her ofsted inspection done and cleared. There were some bits of the job I felt rusty on but others that were fine. IT will all come flooding back to me soon smile

captainmummy Tue 06-Nov-12 08:30:19

Lavender - I drink Roiiboss tea, black no sugar and I love it! It took over form green tea with lemon, and before that it was jasmine or peppermint tea. If you buy proper chinese tea leaves (they come rolled up into little cigars or like tiny balls) you only need to steep them for a few minutes to get a delicate tasting brew. Totally different to our Brew-up!(and I hope it counts towards my 2.5Lts water)

My dp has been doing this WOE for a while now and lost about 6-7KG (over a stone) but last week put on 1 kg. It's becasue he's been having porridge for brek,(cos it's good for you!) mashed potatoes with dinner, fruit during the day (ditto)and chocolate (70%) at night (for a treat). The first thing he said when I told him about this WOE was 'well I'll adapt it to suit me' - i told him he can't do that, and his response was 'well I've given up sugar in tea'. He is now going to be a bit more strict, now that he can see the scales going back up!

sorry vnmum had forgotten your job started yesterday - hope it's all going well

captainmummy my mum has drunk rooibos for years (when you could only get it in obscure health food shops) because it's caffeine free and low tannin, but she does drink it with regular milk. i like it too, and the smell reminds me of her

i have the occasional decaf coffee with milk or cream and that's it. it think because i ration it now i tend to go for really good quality and it does make a difference. it's the same with cheats really - if i'm going to cheat i don't want it to be with something crappy it has to be extra-special

lavender i have my period too and i was picking badly at food last night - all low carb but still... the only thing that stopped me was cleaning my teeth and going to bed at 9pm. i don't think you should worry about pork belly - fat is good for you and you are not eating high carb. i have had pork belly about once every two weeks since the spring (the rotation is for variety purposes only, not because i don't think we should have it any more frequently) and had a check-up last week at the doctor's and all my tests were fine

Jacaqueen Tue 06-Nov-12 08:48:27

The scales were very kind this morning and I am 3lbs down from last week. But I have been mucking about for a few weeks, losing and regaining the same couple of pounds. Lets hope I continue on the downward trend.

By my reckoning I have now lost 30lbs since the original Bootcamp started back in April. Most of that was lost in the first couple of months and I maintained over the summer. This time round I have only lost 5 lbs since 1st October, but I am ok with that.

I probably have at least another 30lbs to go but I feel really confident that I will get there. I really don't consider myself on a diet anymore. I will just continue to eat lovely nutritious food, trust in the science and enjoy losing the rest.

Thanks to everyone who posts. I have no doubt that this thread has made all the difference to me this time round.

JessicaWakefield Tue 06-Nov-12 08:55:38

Vnmum congratulations on your first day back yesterday and it's lovely to hear that your DC were really excited about their new routine. I STS which I was expecting after a large bowl of apple crumble on Saturday which was a totally mindful off piste and I enjoyed every spoonful! That said I don't think it was worth it as I had stomach pains on Sunday and felt quite nauseated. That accompanied by a first thing in the morning carb coma painful anyway, worse when the toddler is being a mad ball of energy means no more off wagon for a while - carb hangover is just too painful! Have a good day everyone.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Tue 06-Nov-12 09:14:00

Captain and Willie thank you, I've never heard of Rooibos tea so will give it a try. Willie, was talking to DH about having cholesterol etc tested at some point more out of curiosity than anything else as feel good.
I was worried pork belly strips would be bad for you as so fatty and also remind be of pork scratchings do glad to hear you think they're ok, just need to not eat them every day I guess.

Jacaqueen Tue 06-Nov-12 09:16:46

Lavender I drink tea with lacto free milk. It has about half the carbs of regular milk and to me tastes just the same.

Are you working full time Vnmum? Good luck with it all.

I feel a bit rough today. Really sore throat and headache. I am having a day indoors to myself. going to catch up on some tv and treat myself to pork belly strips for lunch.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Tue 06-Nov-12 09:26:36

vnmum best wishes for the new job, hope you settle in fine and everyone plays nice! smile

winegless thanks, I am chuffed with this weeks loss, Ds is a bit poorly today so off school and activity so no temptation this week at least! wink

jacaqueen well done! I agree about thinking of this as just a regular way of eating and not stress too much - stress produces cortisol hormone which makes us store fat, so another good reason to chill.

lavendar I drink decaf coffee, peppermint tea during the day and usually have a chamomile tea after dinner/before bed. There are some nice blends out there, it's worth trying a few to mix in with usual tea or coffee.

I would also like to say how much support I get from just reading what everyone else is up to, life as well as food, I'm sure it's helped me a lot with finding my feet with this WOE. thanks all.

lavender you can have it every day if you like, though might get a bit boring! pork belly is good, clean, fresh meat with plenty of fat, and with this WOE you should be getting the majority of your calories from fat.

(and pork scratchings are fine too, but if bought in a packet they will likely have high salt and additive levels which you would want to avoid - the fatty aspect is not a problem).

BIWI and others are much better read than me on this, but you might want to read up on low carbing to allay your and your dh's fears, so they will be able to explain the theory better and point you in the direction of some literature

Doshusallie Tue 06-Nov-12 09:40:05

Morning all.,

Firstly, VNMUM so sorry not to have marked your day back at work! Glad to hear it went well. grin

Lavender I eat pork belly slices regularly, and pork scratchings alot, they are delish and totally fine to eat on this WOE. (although I expect BIWI will say that the latter are too processed really)

Went to a Cubs/Beavers fireworks and bonfire do last night - avoided the sausages and burgers as I knew they would be the cheapest possible types, did buy a coffee though at an extortionate price and poured it away as it was absolutely rank.

My friend has now lost half a stone in a week. She said she is (and I quote) "Ecstatic! Feel great, so much energy, and lighter somehow, not just because of weight loss, can't really explain it!" She is about to do her first exercise class since starting this WOE so we will see how she gets on with that (pretty hard core Step class).

Wine - I am re-reading "The Passage" by Justin Cronin. I read it a couple of years ago, but the sequel "The Twelve" has just come out and I wanted to read it again before starting that. It is absolutely brilliant, I am enjoying it all over again. I just finished "Loving Frank" by Nancy Horan, which I also enjoyed, and I have also started "Dear Fatty" by Dawn French.

Right Chrimble cake will be made today at some point.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Tue 06-Nov-12 10:47:48

Oh I loved "dear fatty" by dawn French, so honest and funny. Just like I imagined her to be. Enjoy!

day 2 going ok so far. haha famous last words. grin

halfthesize Tue 06-Nov-12 11:32:16

vnmum so pleased your 1st day went wellgrin

Just had brunch of gammon and egg it was yummy!

Doshusallie Tue 06-Nov-12 12:44:36

lunch was cheese slices stacked on celery, with some thickly sliced gammon ham. yum.

Cake made onlylickedspoononce

Got pilates tonight, looking forward to it.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Tue 06-Nov-12 13:38:34

B 2 boiled eggs with a little butter
L prawns, leek and a couple slices orange pepper all pan fried in garlic and chilli, on watercress salad.

Still have the pmt munchies tho, so am about to have some yoghurt in the vain hope it will fill up the cavernous hormonal hole in my insides!

BIWI Tue 06-Nov-12 14:20:57

Lavender - fat is your friend! You really do need to get your head around that, regardless of what your DH is telling you. Belly pork is a perfect low carb food, and you could eat it every day if you wanted to - although you would soon tire of it if you did smile

Here is a video about why fat is good for us and more importantly, gives you some of the background to explain why since the 1950s we have been (wrongly) told to stop eating it.

BIWI Tue 06-Nov-12 14:24:28

... and Willie is absolutely right - if you can do some reading about low carbing it will give you the reassurance that you need, as well as the ammunition to deal with people like your DH who will tell you that what you are doing is wrong.

The books that I would recommend are Dr John Briffa's "Escape the Diet Trap", and Gary Taubes' books "The Diet Delusion" and "Why We Get Fat (and What To Do About It)". Dr Briffa's book is probably the easiest to read. It's also worth signing up to his newsletter and reading his blog

NotAgainAndAgain Tue 06-Nov-12 16:00:40

I've updated s/s - to my pleasant surprise, there is a bit of loss. Not major, but at least no reverse.
I went off food (in terms of liking it), you know, sometimes getting excited about having something nice, normally when I am in a "good cook" mood, but now even that does not give me any thrills.
My friend was for lunch, I forgot she does not eat fish, so I had to improvise from what was in the fridge - Nigelissima-way Mozarells+tomato" salad. I usually like it - but realised I off it as well.
May be that's how the slogan "we eat to live to eat, not the other way round" tastes like?

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Tue 06-Nov-12 17:30:53

Thank you everyone for the reassurances re fat and pork belly strips. Was so pleased I had 4 for a late lunch smile.

caramelwaffle Tue 06-Nov-12 17:37:01

Breakfast - nothing
Lunch - Mixed grill: greasy spoon/Comstock Dibbler stylee' (burger, frankfurter, fried egg, salad (instead of chips - lettuce and cucumber) slice of bacon plus 2 tbsp brown sauce and fried onions)
Dinner - leeks and mushrooms sauteed in butter with double cream - absolutely delicious - topped with chedder and baked chorizo.
vodka

Glad your son is safe Viper

caramelwaffle Tue 06-Nov-12 17:39:58

The pork belly strips are really good Lavender.

I have one compartment in the freezer that only has pork belly strips and lamb chops in.

They are really tasty, and filling.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Tue 06-Nov-12 17:43:26

D bolognaise made with turkey mince, shallot, garlic, chilli, courgette, leek, tin toms and some passata, mushrooms. It's still cooking and smells good, tum is rumbling!

BIWI Tue 06-Nov-12 19:02:26

caramel - beware of the brown sauce - there will be a lot of carbs in that amount! A 15g serving, which I would assume is 1 tablespoon, is 4.2g

Im still here, still doped on my tablets, but low carbing like a good girl. grin the only slip up - although a conscious one - was when DS came home from school. He had made fruit cupcakes as one of his topics - he had to choose the recipe and got graded on result.

He was so proud and made me a cup of tea and gave me a cake. He knows I am low carbing but how can you say no? I weighed up the guilt trip from myself versus being a good, supportive mum. Mum card won. And the one I had was lovely.

But no more. Back to good girl again.
biwi I sent you a PM, did you get it?

NotAgainAndAgain Tue 06-Nov-12 19:57:09

Any suggestions for the tastiest alternative for a cup of tea?
Lavender, I was recommended white tea for the matter of no milk substitute, it is not so strong as black, if I do not look in the cup, I easy can forget it is not my normal tea. brew

I am trying to find what I missed about pork strips, still scrolling upwards, no luck is it a recipe, I tried pork belly from Waitrose, but I did not see any pork strips - where to get those? Thank you.

And my biggest joy today - I put on jeans which I already was about to forget about - and they felt loose!!!! Hurray!

caramelwaffle Tue 06-Nov-12 20:13:40

BIWI Yes.

Half way through eating, it hit me that brown sauce is essentially apples with added sugar.

Plus the sugars from the fried onions.

Well done on the jeans NotAgain

Doshusallie Tue 06-Nov-12 20:36:35

Not again, the debate re pork belly was how often to eat them and are they too fatty. Answer - loads, and no! grin. Lidl sell them.

Pilates was ace, loved it.

Tea is yet more bloody gammon ham (will be glad to see the back of it) and salad. Am also having half a glass of red wine. [guilt]

captainmummy Tue 06-Nov-12 20:47:17

How does everyone cook the pork belly slices? Slow-cooker? Roast?

Breakfast - coffee with cream, 2 coffees with milk at work.

LUNCH - lettuce with pate, cream cheese or mayo. Few nuts. packet radishes.

Dinner was cream cheese pancakes filled with mushrooms and ham, with cream and leeks on top. Greek yog.

Another coffee with cream.
Lots of dairy today.

On the good side, I was given chocolate cream cake today at the desk, (a birthday) - on the way to my desk (up 6 flights of stairs) I dumped the cake in the bin. Not even a sniff. Birthday girl thought I'd had some, I didn't jeopardise my diet, everyone's happy.

<<disclaimer - i don't actually like cream cake that much!grin>>

vnmum Tue 06-Nov-12 20:58:36

Came home from work today famished. I had a good lunch and didn't feel hungry until i had my tea and then just didn't feel satisfied so after the lettuce chicken fajitas i had some mini sausages, a babybel, couple of swigs of cream and some olives. Don't know if it's to do with lower fat today or just using more energy at work

caramelwaffle Tue 06-Nov-12 21:00:59

I coat the pork belly with roasted paprika powder and roast in the oven. Sometimes with a sprinkle of walnut oil but not always. Nothing else.

BIWI Tue 06-Nov-12 21:02:29

I did Jax. Wasn't quite sure what to make of it! grin

Viperidae Tue 06-Nov-12 21:07:49

I had a hectic day at work today and am amazed at how most provided lunches are totally inedible on this WOE. Today it was all sandwiches, wraps, crisps and made healthier by the addition of fruit! What made it worse was that we had a lunch provided for a meeting at 12noon then I whizzed over to the local hospital for another meeting at 1pm and they had an equally inedible one there!

Managed though with the aid of a good breakfast (sausage, bacon and scrambled egg) and taking a little bowl of salad and full fat prawn cocktail) with me. Tea was roast chicken, swede chips, creamed leeks and broccoli. Did succumb to some Diet Coke though, I must rein myself in again.

We are going to visit DS this weekend and are staying in a Premier Inn we've never been to before so I don't know how I'll do food wise so want to be good in the meantime.

Have a busy time looming as we are away with friends next weekend too.

Work lunches can be utterly hopeless can't they viper! I went on a course where they provided lunch packs containing a sandwich, packet of crisps, apple and kitkat! Fortunately I had a hard boiled egg and mini cheese in my handbag

BIWI Tue 06-Nov-12 21:27:02

Yep. Definitely a business opportunity in low carb lunches!

Piffle Tue 06-Nov-12 21:29:00

Well last nights fearful munchies ( which I had massive slices of roast beef with horseradish)
Was apparently the onset of epic hideous middle of night migraine.
So was up at 3am in massive pain. Sorted with codeine eventually but felt crap all today
But not one cheat...
Bacon ( nitrate free!) eggs and mushrooms.
L- salmon fishcakes Thai style with salad and lime juice.
D- keema mince and chunky cabbage salad.
Tons of water, lots of painkillers and 500 calories of walking which was done in foul weather to boot!
Have PMT so think I'm retaining water ....

Weigh in tomorrow <gulp>

HumphreyCobbler Tue 06-Nov-12 22:20:44

hello all. Still sticking with it. I must get up my courage to weigh as I could put myself on the spreadsheet. I am definitely thinner than when I started though. I don't regret not weighing really , as I have stayed pretty much on track for a good few months now and I think the plateaus I landed on would have put me off.--and I should have given up the cheese and the sweeteners a lot sooner--

Although I don't post too much I think that is partly because it has become a real habit with me now, rather than a new way of eating. Even DH has now read the book grin

BIWI Tue 06-Nov-12 22:35:20

Piffle - where did you find the nitrate-free bacon?

MegTheCat Wed 07-Nov-12 00:28:10

Hello all
I usually grill my pork belly strips - takes about half an hour till they're brown and crispy.
I love rooibos tea & it comes in different flavours too. Dragonfly Tea do a Cape Malay rooibos chai which has cinnamon, ginger, cardamom etc - delicious and spicy and doesn't need milk. Their earl grey one is nice too, also fine with no milk. If I have the plain rooibos I want milk with it so that defeats the object.
I have had a couple of days working in the city centre and being disorganised with lunches - I've found it is very hard to find low carb lunches to buy. Found some eventually but they're not cheap. I was a bit shock that Subway only offered low fat mayonnaise and no french dressing. It made me realise I've been very lucky with the sandwich shop I normally go to (£1.80 for salad made to order with cheese or meat). Also that I need to be more organised.

Morning all, flying visit.

Pork belly, I buy strips from the butcher then slam in the oven for hours and hours on low. Delicious.

Brown sauce is carby?! Why oh why had I never realised that. Doh and damn.

Vnmum, spotted you've started work this week, hope its going well.

Viper, good to see that DS is back safe and sound.

smile Hope everyone has a good day today.

BIWI, I thought (or assumed) that all organic bacon would be nitrate free. Will check my packet. I know that Laverstoke Park bacon is definitely nitrate free but haven't bought any from there for ages so can't remember how pricey it is.

WineGless Wed 07-Nov-12 08:08:55

Am really cross with myself. Weighed and am back to where I started before Bootcamp. Plus went out last night and made poor choices on the carb front.
Today is my wake up call
Carb creep is setting in and it stops NOW

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 08:49:53

<twitches stick>

BIWI I was just hopeful that this organic, non sugar choc would be a healthy choice and not too carby. thought you might check out carb content and report back that it was a fab thing... I am still on my wonky back tablets and lets just say it makes my thought process a lot little skewed. grin

WineGless Wed 07-Nov-12 09:19:36

BIWI I need Severely thrashing.
I'm really disappointed with myself and its down to two things too much alcohol And emotional Eating.

Found out I failed my exam and my job definitely going So will be redeployed have the usual nightmare to try and negotiate shifts and chikdcare.

It's absolutely no excuse though … Have dealt wour hardest thing over the last six months

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 10:39:52

Oh bugger sad Sorry to hear that, Wine.

Jax - I couldn't see any carb info, but I'll have a better look later.

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 10:40:23

For those who were asking about artificial sweeteners, over the last few weeks, this is an interesting - and scary - read

Doshusallie Wed 07-Nov-12 10:49:36

sorry to hear that Wine. sad

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 10:52:49
Doshusallie Wed 07-Nov-12 11:02:14

Greek yog (Lidl) for brekkie. Decaf tea, berocca and a pint of water.

Have had a decaf coffee at work so far.

Jacaqueen Wed 07-Nov-12 11:25:08

So sorry to hear about the job Wine.

I am proper poorly as DS would say.
Sore throat, ears, headache and just rubbish.

Last night I told DH I would not be turning up for work today and asked who I should phone in sick to. He just looked at me as though I was daft.

I am mainly a SAHM, but do little bits for DH's company. DH buggered off to work as usual so I had to haul myself out of bed and do the usual morning routine with the boys. Then I went to Sainsbugs to stock up because I am not off my food.

I bought some cloudy diet lemonade which I am going to have hot with some grated ginger. Trying to stay away from artificial sweetners but this is an emergency.
'

aw wine that's crappy. have a low carb hug, and one for you too jac

i deserve that artificial sweeteners article after succumbing to the diet coke due to bad night's sleep last night <no excuse>

Jacaqueen Wed 07-Nov-12 11:49:42

I am not reading that article because I have also bought some low cal ginger beer. Purely medicinal.

Brasssection Wed 07-Nov-12 11:57:56

Sorry wine sad

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Wed 07-Nov-12 12:09:43

Oh winegless so sorry to hear that, I can only hope the whole transition process goes as well as it can, and you can get things sorted. The stress must be hideous, though. Thinking of you. Have a hug, I'll leave the thrashing in the capable hands of Mistress Biwi. Try to remember that the fitter, healthier and more balanced you are, the more you are able to cope with life's crap, so don't self sabotage as comfort. It's hollow in the long run. (Here endeth the therapist woo).

jax love your story about Ds cake!! Bless. I would be the same.
notagain fab on the jeans!
piffle do you have a recipe for keema mince? Am intrigued.

Busy thread, it's great to see. I left the kitchen, and my turkey bolognaise, last night to go deal with the washing and came back to find DH stirring ... In a tin of butter beans!! He said he thought it would help!! [Hmm] So I think someone may find a copy of a low carb book under the tree this year ... Actually in one way it did help ... I certainly wasn't constipated this morning, quite the opposite ... blush

toomuch most of what I post at the moment will be long, piffle and far from the point. I will also have forgotten what I was waffling about by the end of a sentence. The meds are strong! grin

Wine - so sorry about your job. sad

I think keema mince is normal beef mince fried off with some cumin and a touch of curry powder, but dont add the peas.

Brasssection Wed 07-Nov-12 12:50:23

Thanks BIWI for all the links. Scary reading as my DH has 3 sweeteners in each of his 8-10 cupts of tea per day! His teeth are shot naturally.

Have managed to lose 2 pounds on Harcombe. Am basically eating like you lot, with the addition of a bit of brown rice or porridge on some days. Still shredding, but got a new Gillian which is harder than Shred. My bum ached this morning!

Made a really nice fake souffle the other day with low carb milk and no carb thickening stuff. The whole family liked it.

Doshusallie Wed 07-Nov-12 13:56:07

Lunch was a big plate of:

red cabbage and lamb salad
boiled egg
tuna
green salad leaves with olives
ham
pate
roasted courgette and green peppers

Piffle Wed 07-Nov-12 14:31:52

BIWI
Keema mince is in the IDP cookbook - Bee Rawlinson
was essentially indian spiced mince and onion smile
Kids loved it but then they had a garlic naan too!
Nitrate free bacon was from Devon RoseOrganic farm...
Well I lost 1/2lb this last week. thought I'd STS so pleasantly surprised.
Not cheated last few days so hopefully see benefits soon
Have walked and biked with the dogs today so feeling pleased!
Food
Bacon, scrambled egg ,mushroom, tomato
L - cold roast beef with horseradish cabbage salad with lime juice
D- not sure meant to be chilli bake but am feeling lazy...

Viperidae Wed 07-Nov-12 14:40:57

I should know better than to step on the scales midweek but I did and appear to have put on 2lb but I am not going to panic! Am going away for a few days tomorrow evening so am trying to be as good as is humanly possible to that point so, if it is hard to eat right while away, it will not be the end of the world.

viper i ALWAYS put on during the week - my theory (and i'm sticking to it) is that i get up later and therefore stand on the scales later at weekends so i have lost more water weight by the time i weigh!

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 14:49:34

Piffle - are you buying direct from the farm?

I never seem to see nitrate-free bacon anywhere!

Poppy1234 Wed 07-Nov-12 14:57:00

Haven't been on for ages as had a super busy weekend with friends over and despite not cheating (choosing to ignore the wine and chocolate pots I made for pudding) I ate absolutely loads and I really, really want to get back to my starting weight, still can't believe i have put weight on during bootcamp rather than loosing it. If the scales aren't good to me on Friday I might consider theBIWI 3 day experiment. Anyway onwards and upwards:

B: Greek yoghurt
L: Curried cauliflower soup
D; Blackened salmon, cauli rice, spinach

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 15:10:40

3DE is only useful if you've been massively overdoing the carbs, though, Poppy.

Why do you think you have put weight on? is there anything easily identifiable?

NotAgainAndAgain Wed 07-Nov-12 15:13:03

regarding those pork strips - thanks, I'll go to liddle to look for those. Waitrose is not so good - for one is too much, if to leave it till next morning it goes so hard - afraid for my teeth. Are they in frozen or fresh meats? Thanks.

Sorry to hear about dark patch, Wine.

Poppy1234 Wed 07-Nov-12 15:46:23

BIWI I have been thinking about why I put weight on and the only thing that springs to mind is that my pre bootcamp diet was pretty horrific in that I would starve during the week and binge at the weekend and repeat. I've weighed 8.5 stones since last December and after a holiday in September I put on around 4 pounds. I started bootcamp as I really wanted to get away from the feast and famine mentality I was in. Since bootcamp started I've put on another 2.5lbs, I haven't cheated massively (there has been wine, small amounts of dark chocolate and one cheat day for a Christening).

I'm not sure if it's my body adjusting to normal amounts of food and my natural weight isn't actually at 8.5 stone and I could live with that, my fear is that my weight will creep up.

Any ideas? Thank you so much for taking the time to read and help. x

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 15:49:44

How tall are you? And do you mean 8 1/2 stone, or 8 stone 5lbs?

halfthesize Wed 07-Nov-12 16:31:12

Eve all Sorry to hear about the job/exam wine

I have had v bust day with work, children and household stuff, so had soup for lunch.
Need some new inspiration for dinners!! But tonight will be belly of porkgrin

Poppy1234 Wed 07-Nov-12 16:37:04

BIWI 8 and a half stone and I'm 5ft 3.

Jins Wed 07-Nov-12 16:41:43

Poppy1234 I suspect you won't lose much more on this WOE. You're at the lower end of the BMI index right now and there's something about low carbing that doesn't let you get too low. Change your mindset and call yourself a maintainer

Piffle Wed 07-Nov-12 16:43:25

BIWI
I bought it direct in bulk :-)
Mail order... I might get a regular box from them as its free postage and they do paleo boxes which suit us low carbers

Am going to stay with friend Saturday, we will drink, it'll be dry white wine for me. Will stick to food as far as possible and do plenty of walking.

Piffle Wed 07-Nov-12 16:43:54

It's £££ BUT I'm saving so much from not drinking it's all relative!

captainmummy Wed 07-Nov-12 17:37:43

Sorry to hear about the exam/job, wine.

I have had a real 'fuck it' day - went out for coffee with friend, had a free toasted teacake with it. At home I then had 4 apples , a fig (I miss fruit so much!) and half a (big) bag of raisins/sunflower seeds. CHicken soup for tea, with carrot and leeks in.

Have a real headache now, am sure it's from the blood sugar.

Might try your 3day thing, BIWI, tomorrow.

<off to boil some eggs>

NewStartSameStory Wed 07-Nov-12 18:06:11

Sorry to hear you bad news Wine. I hope the situation can be resolved such that it isn't as much hassle as you fear it might be.

I have had a major wobble. In short the last few days have seen broken car, concussion (ds), partial dislocation knee (me), Fuckwit ex, bringing forward of a major report for work, various other politics with the inclusion of other odds and sods that have just added up to wanting to find a large padded cell stuffed with cotton wool to hide in. Instead today was sugar laiden and I now feel crap. Tea is back on track chicken and veg. Might see about gentle training for emotional purposes tonight. Need to be writing a report though. Can't face it atm. <sigh> and there is NO excuse I am just crap and lack will power. And tbh probably deserve BIWI wading in with her big stick to twat me one to knock some sense into me. blush

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Wed 07-Nov-12 18:45:11

Hope everyone feels better soon.

B oatbran with water and cream
L 2 eggs scrambled with butter and cream, smoked salmon
Snack 4 olives, yoghurt with blueberries
D leftover turkey bolognaise with roasted kale

Was my first attempt at roasting kale and it was not a great success. I had added far too much salt and chilli, not realising how much the kale shrinks, and I think the oven was too hot as I was also doing baked pots for DH. But I still have half a bag left, so hopefully next attempt will be an improvement!

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 18:50:18

captainmummy - if you move to Bootcamp Light then you can have fruit! No need to beat yourself up. And certainly no need to dive into the teacakes!

NewStart - you are having a time of it, aren't you? Just try and focus on how much better you feel without the carbs.

Hello. Am still here. Have been very rubbish and made bad choices, and they were all choices and not forced situations. Am feeling a bit sorry for myself for various boring reasons, but have today redeemed myself and despite going to the freezer about 8 times and almost cooking something I shouldn't have I have managed to resist.

Wine so sorry to hear about the exam and job - I think your job sounds horrendously stressful at all times, and I hope that the redeployment is smooth and you find yourself ending up in an even better team, with a changed but even better role and no hassles with childcare.

Brass glad to hear that the weight is coming off for you. It sound like Harcombe was for you maybe.

I made a duck stirfry for dinner tonight and it was delicious, but I am so hungry again now. sad

What can I have? I really am hungry, Ive drank 2 huge glasses of water and they are sloshing around.

Doesnt help that all my friends have baked today and are posting me pics. hmmf

vnmum Wed 07-Nov-12 20:24:39

Sorry to hear about job and exam wine, hope the work things gets sorted soon.

BIWI Wed 07-Nov-12 20:53:18

Jax - I can't see any info on that website about carb content, so I would be a bit hmm about how nutritious is actually is - especially as they talk about using sweeteners in it.

Poppy - I think Jins is absolutely right. At 5 ft 3, 8 and a half stones is probably a really good weight for you. Please don't consider doing anything extreme like the 3DE - you don't need it. But doing Bootcamp (probably better if you do Bootcamp Light) you will be eating much more healthily than you have been previously. I would honestly be more concerned about eating a normal diet than the one you were doing before which, frankly, has 'eating disorder' written all over it.

Jax - why not have some cheese? Or some nuts? Or both?!

My 3DE hasn't been too bad, although I have had some veg, which isn't quite the plan. Today was the third day, thank goodness - I had a boiled egg before the gym and then a small amount of yoghurt when I got home. Lunch was a piece of steak with some mushrooms fried in butter and garlic, and dinner was also steak (don't know why - just fancied it!) with salad in a shallot vinaigrette and boiled asparagus with butter.

I will be on the scales first thing tomorrow, which will be interesting! I had a real craving for a glass of wine this evening, but the thought of the scales made sure I've stuck with the water!

I've also been to the gym every day. Monday and Tuesday on my own, this morning with my trainer.

Viperidae Wed 07-Nov-12 23:56:05

I read an article in The Times Magazine this weekend about Intermittent Fasting which was interesting. They showed the 500/600 calorie day, which I've heard of before, but also said an alternative was to leave food off altogether from 2pm to 2pm. Apparently the benefits of fasting plateau from about 18hrs onward so fasting a whole day with the nights each side can be too long. Just thought it was interesting, don't know if anybody has any thoughts on that.

Who knows anything about macadamia nuts? I'm still wondering why the Tesco and Morrisons ones have 10g carbs per 100g while Sainsburys ones only have 6g although they're all just roasted, salted nuts,

Viper I read that to not quite as extreme but I eat my last meal around 3pm -4pm most days then wake up and work out before eating breakfast for me it works first few weeks was tired now most days in pretty full of energy

sybilfaulty Thu 08-Nov-12 06:55:56

Morning girls.

Bad day yesterday, with too much to do and lots of people not quite doing what they are supposed to. Ate a small bar of dark choc and a glass of beer, though not at the same time! Today will have to be really good to atone. Am very tired though and it's only Thursday.

cathyandclaire Thu 08-Nov-12 07:09:50

Poppy, I'm also 5ft 3 and was 8 and a half when I started bootcamp ( althought I'd already lost 9lb over the 8 weeks before that) I have lost weight and am now maintaining /hovering between 8 2 and 8 5.
I've found that I do have to keep an eye on the amount of the high calorie items I eat ( I know we're not counting but can't describe it easier) because being small we take less energy to run!

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 07:12:41

Woo hoo! Scales now reading 9 stone 7 3/4. Lowest weight for me so far grin

WineGless Thu 08-Nov-12 08:10:06

Woohoo BIWI well done,3 day obviously works!!

I had a disaster yesterday. I'd brilliantly for breakfast and lunch plus loads of water. Had book club last night and the friend who was hosting emailed to ask about low carbing and what I could eat. Unfortunately she completely ignored everything I said and made tomato soup, pumpkin lasagne and treacle sponge with pears!! I did ask in a joking way what happened and she just laughed.

Back to it....
Am going to meal plan tonight and shop tomorrow which I find is key for me.

Thanks for all the good wishes - you are all so lovely

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 08:16:50

Grr. I hate it when that happens. Why bother asking? If you had told her you were a vegetarian, would she have served you a bloody steak?

Trouble is, what then happens is that we eat the food, in order not to offend our hosts. Why? Why aren't our needs/wants and diets important?

What would she have done if you had said "I'm sorry but I can't eat any of this as it's not low carb"?

WineGless Thu 08-Nov-12 08:23:50

Exactly!
I have had stomach ache since I ate it and feel very uncomfortable.
If she didn't know I could understand bit to deliberately ignore my request is rude.
She is a really good cook so I was looking forward to some low carb food too. I had said in my email that I could just miss out pasta/ potato/rice part of the meal. Bit difficult with lasagne though

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 08:26:37

Hmm. Is she by any chance overweight herself? Jealous of the fact that you are losing weight/succeeding on a diet where she is failing?

I think people do it to sabotage us, sometimes.

I will forgive those who don't understand what low carb is, but not those who seem to do it deliberately.

captainmummy Thu 08-Nov-12 08:37:13

Well done BIWI - that's great ! BTW I didn't realise you could eat fruit on bootcamp light - i thought it was just berries and stuff, not apples or mangoes.

I had the same stomache ache yesterday wine after my carb-day, and headache too. Am going to try to be really strict for the next 2 days - although I have a dinner-date tomorrow night too,a nd I'm sure it will not be low-carb either.

WineGless Thu 08-Nov-12 08:37:42

She is overweight but not a close friend, just part of book club who I see every other month. If she hasn't asked I would have just sucked it up. It's the deliberate act- maybe it is sabotage. I haven't got anything else put of my control for a while so onwards and downwards

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 08:42:46

Well, berries are fruit, aren't they?! hmm You can't eat apples or mangoes at this stage - but it really depends where you are in your weight loss. If you've reached goal, then it's about working out your maintenance levels - so you can start to experiment with introducing things like more carby fruits.

Wine - probably someone who believes you should 'just' eat less and move more then - and that low carbing is a silly fad.

Next time, you need to be more assertive (whilst being polite and charming, of course!). "Oh - I'm really sorry - I can't eat any of that, although it looks lovely. It is far too high in carbohydrates - and like I told you, I'm following a low carb ^way of eating^". Then see what is said.

(I bet you're thinking "I couldn't possibly..."!)

morning. My friend who is a really good cook is hosting a dinner party and she text me to ask if I was still LC ing. I said yes - but I would eat around whatever she made. I know that she will not do pasta but she just doesnt 'get' low carbing. It is tricky - so I just say that I dont eat rice, pasta, bread or potato.

It seems I have lost a few pounds this week - probably water, but its still a step in the right direction again. smile

Wine shock can't believe she asked you what you eat then cooked that! I honestly wouldn't have eaten it. Hope today is kind to you, you've got it tough at the minute haven't you.

BIWI well done! Although that sounds a hard 3 days. I've reintroduced a proper breakfast this week as had got into the habit of missing it as not really hungry in the mornings. Just weighed and a pound off since Monday! 9lb 8. So I've eaten more and now lost again. This woe works in a strange but good way.

hurrah for biwi!

gosh wine how infuriating, i would have been speechless - it does sound like active sabotage. dp's mum is sort of aware of how i'm eating (I have discussed it a little, but she tends to talk over you so have never managed to completely explain!) and she can't quite get my strictness about it, why i won't just have a biscuit or a couple of bits of potato etc, and she definitely doesn't get the high fat aspect! i told her that i wasn't eating sugar at all and she still macerated the strawberries in icing sugar ("it's only a couple of spoonfuls!")

it's my birthday today and i am having a cup of decaf coffee with semi-skimmed milk as a treat (is this what it has come to??!!)

Jacaqueen Thu 08-Nov-12 09:35:45

The disparity in the macadamia nutritional info drives me mad.

Logically I know that they must all have the same carb values but I refuse to buy them if the packaging states more than 6g carbs per 100g. So I stock up when I go to sainsbury, as they have 4.7g. Unfortunately they have stopped doing the little 50g bags so I have to get 100g and show some restraint.

I hate when people try to sabotage like that. I mean it is bad enough that we sometimes do it to ourselves, but that is our choice. I really haven't told many people that I am doing low carb. I just try and eat around what I am given, so I will leave the potatoes, Yorkshires etc refuse pudding, and not comment. If anyone asks I just say that I am not very hungry. Or I play the 'upset stomach' card. When eating out I am getting better at asking for my food to be adapted. Obviously this is easier to do when you are actually paying for it, as opposed to eating at someone's house.

I find that if people know you are on a diet of any kind they watch what you eat and feel they can pass comment, which I find incredibly rude. I don't mind talking about low carb if people are genuinely interested but I hate being scrutinized.

Happy Birthday Willie. thanks. Have a great day.

Doshusallie Thu 08-Nov-12 09:41:03

Happy Birthday Willie!!!

Scales showed 9 3 this morning so having a strict day. Breakfast was 2 boiled eggs.

Cathy and Poppy - I am 5 3, and would look like a stick at 8 stone 3. I am sure you both look lovely, but I cannot imagine ever being that weight. I would never get to it, even with low carb.

jac i agree about people passing comment. my response these days (if appropriate / i'm feeling confident enough) is "it's very difficult to enjoy my food when my eating habits are being commented on" - said very nicely of course

Jacaqueen Thu 08-Nov-12 09:58:16

Do you know another thing I hate?

No, well I will tell you.

You have the perfect low carb day. Lets say full fried breakfast , pork belly for lunch with buttered cabbage and some macadamias. Negligible carbs but lots of calories. You are going out for dinner, but you have checked ahead and worked out what you will have. You then get there to discover that there is nothing you can eat. So you are faced with either eating nothing or totally blowing your whole day. You can feel all the fat you have consumed in the day attaching itself to you as you consume those carbs.

Now had you known in advance that the menu would be tricky you could have moderated your calories to compensate for your evening meal being higher carb. So boiled eggs for breakfast and soup for lunch perhaps.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying we should count calories. However I think it can be helpful now and again when we are not 100 per cent in control of what food is available.

Jacaqueen Thu 08-Nov-12 09:58:52

Oh and happy birthday Willie.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Thu 08-Nov-12 10:28:04

Happy Birthday Willie!! thanks enjoy your brew !

wineg def sounds like jealous sabotage!! If she is a very good cook, there is no way she will have "misunderstood" your email if she is that interested in food. Grrrr. [Angry] Hope you don't feel too sick today. At least it's only every other month? Is someone else hosting next time?

Well done biwi and jac on your losses.

I hit Lidl last night. Can't tell you how much I like that place! Bags and bags of yummy LC stuff at very good prices. I looked at the pork belly slices but I am honestly not a big fan of pork anyway, only rarely have bacon when in the mood and would never cook gammon etc, DH doesn't really like it either. They did look very very fatty and didn't appeal. Do they taste better than they look? <can anyone convince me as I hear so much on this thread about them>

Anyway I got some nice chicken and fish, salad, veggies, and a kilo shock tub of Greek yoghurt. And some lovely Scottish roast beef slices. I had 2 when I got home at 10pm as a late snack, Delish. Funny, that kind of late night raiding still induces the guilty feeling from years of ingrained beliefs about food/diets, but I just told myself, hey it's ok!! This is allowed! This is good protein!! I need a recording of biwi saying that to play in my kitchen grin

Sorry for mammoth post, have a good day everyone!!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Thu 08-Nov-12 11:03:40

Sorry jaX losses and angry for winegless!

JessicaWakefield Thu 08-Nov-12 12:57:04

Wine really sorry to hear about your job situation and about what can only be described as the sabotage! I think that you should just take it as an odd back handed compliment ie Wine is looking so great these days so I'll just knock her off the wagon a bit...!

BIWI well done on your weigh in, so motivating to get down to your lowest so far!

Jaca am so with you on the undoing the good work dilemma and my thought process in that situation is exactly the same as yours.

Willie Happy Birthday! Decaff coffee and semi-skimmed - you go girl!

Am one pound down this morning. Was up for almost all of last night with DS (7 mo) who's gone from almost sleeping through to up every twenty minutes and only a cuddle from Mummy will do. Both DCs are napping now and I think I might join them. Have a good day everyone.

Doshusallie Thu 08-Nov-12 13:52:22

Lunch: salad leaves, cucumber, tuna and mayo, 2 boiled eggs, roasted courgettes, 2 slices of ham, half a chunk of cheese.

captainmummy Thu 08-Nov-12 14:22:46

Happy Birthday WIllie!

Cath and Poppy - I am 5'4 and went down to about 8st 8 when DH and I broke up, about 4 years ago. I looked skeletal, gaunt, unhealthy. I'm now 9st3 (down from 9st10) and feel a lot better - as Doshu says, I'm sure you look lovely, but healthy is the key, not skinniness. I only need to lose about 2-3 lb, and this WOE is the best, tastiest way of doing it! (even tho I can't eat apples!)

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 14:33:35

Happy birthday Willie, O Lovely Spreadsheet Meister! thanks

Jacaqueen - you make a very good point. Exactly the same happened to me at the start of my disastrous (from the LC point of view) weekend. Twitter meet up was at a particular restaurant. Checked online, but they didn't have a menu there. Turned up and everything came in a wrap/taco/burrito/enchilada/quesadilla ... But I knew I had to eat. Sometimes, though, I think you just have to accept it, not stress about it, and let it happen.

Re the 3DE, having done it many times over the last few years - always to undo some spectacular bad behaviour blush, this is how I think it works:

If you have really overdone it on the carbs, you will have refuelled your glycogen stores. I think (from memory) that this will add around 3-5lbs to your weight. This is why when you get on the scales after a bad day you appear to have gained a huge amount. By doing the 3DE, which is low carb and low fat (and presumably also low calorie as a result), you are forcing your body back into ketosis and into using up those glycogen stores, hence you can quickly get shot of that extra weight gain.

Based on my own experience, I suspect that it doesn't actually mean that you lose any extra weight - it just gets you back on the low carb track pretty quickly. If you're ketogenically adapted, then it should do this pretty efficiently.

I have also read stuff (will see if I can find any of it) that says that if you are ketogenically adapted, and you are consistently low carbing - i.e. not dipping in and out - then you can deal with carb 'blow-outs' pretty efficiently. As long, of course, as that blow-out doesn't lead to several more days with your head in the biscuit tin or fruit bowl!

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 14:51:38

Here is a really interesting piece by Dr Michael Eades on being tempted by carbs

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 15:11:18

I haven't managed to find what I've been looking for, but here are a couple of really good blogs, also by Michael Eades, about low carbing, electrolytes and water - definitely worth a read.

part one

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/ part two ]]

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 15:11:55

Sorry

part two

have just read that first article, v interesting

now come here for a cuddle all my lovely insula-boosters

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 15:54:02

grin

From those pieces, it would appear that you can only store around 500g glycogen in your liver/muscles - but each gram has to be stored in around 4 times as much water - hence the large weight gain when you have a carb blow-out.

This makes much sense to me. I noticed when I was at the gym on Monday, the first day back on the wagon, that I had re-gained the flabby tyre around my waist. I was heartily depressed. However, it was obviously water retention - which makes absolute sense, seeing as this morning I was down in weight again. The last few days have been all about using up the glycogen and getting rid of the extra fluid.

ah the glycogen stores -and it goes straight back to where we least want it.

iirc that is the lovely 'spare tyre' area that we get when we go awol on the low carb WOE. blush

captainmummy Thu 08-Nov-12 16:13:34

Interesting articles - esp the 2nd one. I wonder how diets like the food-combining one worked - you know, 1 day carbs, 1 day protein?

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 16:16:14

I've never understood the thinking behind food combining, captainmummy

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Thu 08-Nov-12 19:36:04

B small bowl yoghurt before school run, 2 fried eggs and mushrooms after
L chicken/bacon mayo
Snack slice of roast beef, couple of teaspoons of egg mayo
D 2 venison burgers with sauce made of shallot, leek, mushrooms, mustard and creme fraiche, with watercress salad

Off to read * biwi* latest articles now. Read the one about aspartame earlier, very glad Coke is banned in this house!!!

Doshusallie Thu 08-Nov-12 19:57:46

Tea was same as last night, salmon, broccolli and leeks.

Feel a bit sick, salmon wasn't cooked properly - will that make me poorly or is that just like sushi?

captainmummy Thu 08-Nov-12 21:11:11

Haven't reaally eaten properlytoday, 3 boiled eggs, 1 slice bacon, few nuts. Few slices ham.
Dinner was salmon and french lettuce. Half sq dark choc.

Loads of water.

Doshu - not sure if it would act like salmon sushi - unless it was very very fresh? I did my salmon really well done, don't think i would like it not properly cooked either, but dunno if it would make you ill.

Doshusallie Thu 08-Nov-12 21:20:28

Time will tell captain sir!!! grin

Taking my book to bed, DH watching the inbetweeners movie, I can't bear it.....

caramelwaffle Thu 08-Nov-12 21:53:00

Happy birthday Willie

WineGless Thu 08-Nov-12 22:10:45

Happy birthday Wille, hope you have been spoiled rotten and enjoyed your day.

B: salami filled with cream cheese
L: tuna mayo with big green salad
D: meatballs with sauce and courgette ribbons

Just sitting down now...think I should be going to bed.

I haven't drunk enough water but been out and about and didn't fancy getting short ;)

hurricanewyn Thu 08-Nov-12 22:19:18

Happy birthday willie thanks - did you make the flourless cake?

Wine - I'm angry for you. Why bother asking? A bloody fried egg & sausage isn't exactly hard, is it?

Good day today, foodwise, but I'm in a bit of a grump. Off to bed now - hopefully I'll wake iup in better form.

caramelwaffle Thu 08-Nov-12 22:37:13

Sorry to hear about the job Wine.

Good luck with the redeployment.

Yesterday breakfast was pork belly and sauteed leeks with cheese and cream.
Lunch - nothing
Dinner - pork belly with mayonnaise and chillis.
Snacks - olives and mixed cheese. Also taramasalata with three small cheese twists.

Today breakfast was fried eggs with baked chorizo and parmesan cheese.
Lunch - nothing
Snack - curly kale crisps
Dinner - a blowout of Thai coconut soup, ribs and satay chicken (lots of palm sugar in the soup I think)
Water - 3ls plus diet cloudy lemonade
Bowl of frozen berries

Thanks for birthday wishes - I did make the cake and it was v nice with cream - much cakier than I expected!

Need to get back to some clean eating tomorrow though so might send the cake into work with dp. I've eaten a bit too much 90% chocolate this week as well as gone back to dairy, and I feel muh better without.

Happy birthday willie! Just got in there before midnight!!

I had good day yesterday and mostly today food wise...

BIWI Thu 08-Nov-12 23:57:02

Went to see Skyfall tonight (bloody brilliant) and went out for dinner afterwards, to Bill's in Wimbledon. Only one thing on the menu I can have - naked burger - but forgot to ask for it without fries. I ate about half a dozen of them, and resisted the rest. But the salad that came with it had a suspiciously sweet dressing <sighs> so I left most of that as well.

Why, oh bloody why, does everything have to have sugar in it?

caramelwaffle Fri 09-Nov-12 00:07:22

<buys shares in Tate n Lyle>

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 00:08:51

Inbloodydeed

caramelwaffle Fri 09-Nov-12 00:13:52

Skyfall is indeed very good.

I read the Feminism section review of it (here) and thought "yes well...I can see your points - and agree with many - but by god, it's so stylish!" grin

[Bond fan]

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 00:32:06

Me too!

Good morning!
Thanks to everyone who has weighed in - we still have 47 people weighing in weekly which i think is pretty impressive!

Biggest loser of the week: ABitWoozy
Biggest losers so far: Toomuchmonthatendofthemoney and Viperidae
Biggest %age loser so far: Boobz

Bravo to all!

re the sugar in things... i am considering taking out to restaurants a little bottle of homemade dressing but i wonder whther that would be a bit control freaky!

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 08:10:57

I'm pretty good, by now, at navigating restaurant menus, but salad dressings always fool me. I must remember to ask either for dressing 'on the side' or to insist that they only use wine vinegar rather than balsamic, and that there isn't any honey in it. <sighs>

sybilfaulty Fri 09-Nov-12 08:16:09

Morning everyone and belated happies to Willie.

OK day yesterday but was very hungry, which always goes with being tired. All LC stuff, just rather a lot of it! But lots of water, which I'll carry on with today. I seem to find it easier to drink water at work, when I am at a desk, rather than at home rushing around. Must try harder.

Willie, thanks for doing the spreadsheet. Fantastic job. I am impressed that there are still 47 of us weighing in after 6 weeks. We started with over a 1000 posts in first week, but seem to have settled to a few hundred from the hard core.

Have a good day everyone. Only one more til the weekend. Yippee!!

captainmummy Fri 09-Nov-12 08:34:08

Well done to the Biggest Losers!

I tried to get in to see Skyfall last week, but it seems everyone else had the same idea (get away from trick-or-treaters!) and we were suppsoed to try again yesterday but dp had a hospital app which took all day - they checked his cholesterol and liver and everything seems fine, although he did tell they he was 'on Atkins' (!) and was told 'That's very bad for your heart. Atkins died of a heart attack you know'....

Anyway - I cooked a ham hock yesterday and need ideas for the stock? Ordinarily I'd do soup - pea-and-ham, lentil, leek-and-potato. What else can i do?

I have managed not to snack on the wrong things for two days - hurrah! Feel so much better. I have got a cold/sore throat though which is a bit annoying. At least DH back tomorrow.

I always ask for dressing on the side and for my meals to replace chips/potatoes with salad or veg in restaurants. I got into the habit of doing it when I was pregnant and had to be so careful with eating and blood sugars and no-one minded I found so now I don't worry about asking...!

Doshusallie Fri 09-Nov-12 09:47:24

You can all relax, i did not food poison myself. grin

Breakfast was greek yog from Lidl. DH asked if he could have the pot when i'd finished with it to mix paint in at work!

that's a relief dosh (i like my salmon rare in the middle and have always been fine)

EwanHoozami Fri 09-Nov-12 09:58:02

Hello all. I've had a few days of being a bit negative so I've kept my grumpy ass away from the thread for a bit.

Despite that, I've managed not to cheat and today I am feeling rather slim for the first time in years. Hooray! I'm trying not to care that none of my jeans fit me and shall trawl ebay for some size 12's.

captainmummy you could use your ham stock to make the celeriac boulanger which (I think) is on the recipe thread? 'Tis delish as a side for pork chops etc.

Sorry I've been crap at posting what I've been eating but I have been keeping a record of all the successful low-carb-low-cost recipes I've come up with so I might post them in a blog if I feel inspired enough soon. It might help any other LC'ers who are a bit on the skint side at the moment.

NewStartSameStory Fri 09-Nov-12 10:37:41

Afternoon. Just grabbing a post training salad. I seem to be back on track but wanted to know this: is it better to have one coffee with one sugar in first thing then the 4 or 5 I have been having with the sweetner in. As a short term solution until I can get rid of the coffee altogether?
Also is it common to struggle with bootcamp lite when you first do this? Find easier to stick to bootcamp atm and wondering if that it is because I am building longer term ways of thinking that need time to re-enforce themselves before I can handle the slight increase of carbs of the bootcamp lite without slipping into bad habits again.

captainmummy Fri 09-Nov-12 10:59:53

THanks ewan for the idea but,much as i love veg, celeriac distinctly underwhelms me! I tried the celeriac chips; no wow. I tried celeriac soup (am a real soup person) and i actually disliked it, found it too sweet, weirdly. Celeriac mash is not nice, much better with cauliflower. Not tried celeriac dauphinois, but i really love that made with turnips, so might give that a go if i can be bothered to buy another celeriac.

No, my stock is now a red curry soup with ham bits and carrots (which i will pick out of my bowl! grin)

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 11:24:53

NewStart - the answer to that depends on your goals. If you are Bootcamping to lose weight, then ditch the sugar. One sweetener in 4/5 cups isn't really that much - although you would do better to try and cut them out altogether.

Ewan - welcome back! Look forward to reading your recipes.

captainmummy - celeriac mash with leeks is lovely, and might be more palatable for you? I also sometimes do a mix of celeriac and cauliflower, which works well.

NewStartSameStory Fri 09-Nov-12 11:41:20

I know what the answer to that question should be and I know what I would give. The answer is that I am doing this to stay out of hospital, to be having a woe that is healthy. But truthfully i would love to drop at least 2 stone. So I guess it is going to come down to will power. And I'd like to say that it is one sweetner in the coffee. It isn't but can't stomach it without. I was cheating less when I have to ration the coffee. Was sleeping better and found it less hard wrt cheating. So i think that I shall ditch the yoghurt, and allow one coffee first thing. Then stick to boot camp. Hopefully this will get me back on track. Need to make sure that I eat at every meal time and drink the water. <Focuses> I can and I will do this. Scales have gone missing though but that is probably a good thing as I am tempted to jump on them so I can give myself a hard time. This is going to work for me but I need to get a grip of the stress. So need to make that a focus this weekend.

NewStartSameStory Fri 09-Nov-12 12:07:46

On a plus note I am currently wearing a pair of trousers that I used to have for work pre ds. Slight muffin top but working on that. Want to get to pre-knee injury trousers don't ask why I still have them, I am not entirely sure

Hi all, haven't been posting for a while but am still sort of on track (managed to cook 4 dozen choc chip cookies for brownie camp this week and 2 birthday cakes for dd1 last week and managed to eat less than a teaspoon of cookie and cake mixture all in which is pretty good for me).

Boden trousers arrived after about an 8 week wait and they have to go back as my usual size is too big grin

Also ordered a bikini for my Xmas beach holiday .... Never worn one before but it's underwired and decent coverage and the very thought of it is keeping me away from carbs....

I can see in my face that I have lost weight and I can't believe how good that feels. Have a good weekend (df has promised the dds McDonald's tomorrow so will have a cheeseburger without the bun)!

WineGless Fri 09-Nov-12 12:20:47

Hi all, just checking in after my gym session - first one since we went away so two weeks and boy did I feel it today! However weighed in this morning and looks like have dropped 2lbs so will see what the scales of truth say on Monday
B cheese and mushroom omelette yummy!!
NSSS - are you enjoying food or anything on this woe? Do you feel healthier and more able to control food choices?
Do you mean you are skipping a meal in order to have coffee with sweetener in as that's not really the idea. Have you tried Truvia which is sweetener but.natural plant extract?

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 12:24:19

Why ditch the yoghurt, newstart? I don't understand!

NewStartSameStory Fri 09-Nov-12 12:39:17

The raw truth is that I eat to stay alive, because no one has invented a little pill that gives all the nutrients that you need, that makes you feel full and completely negates the need for food. That's why I eat, it is essential to life. On this woe it is easier to eat, to focus on the good quality nutrients and not empty calories. I am battling with coming out of a 2yr long return of an ED and my view on food has been twisted for more then 20yrs of my life. One month of a new WOE is never going to fix it.

However, I am healthier. I not longer have the regular shakes, migraines or mood swings I had before. There is a definite health benefit to this. I need my brain to catch up with my body. I think it is the way forward but I know that I need to work on the reasons behind my twisted view before it will be perfected.

BiWI Only yoghurt I can stomach is the berry flavour alpro ones. They are fairly high in carbs and are triggering a craving for sweet things. Like wise peanuts etc. I need to get my head around the basic eating veg thing which I am still struggling with tbh before I can add them back and not use them as an excuse for eating a proper meal. My twisted view is that why eat a meal when you can grab a yoghurt. And it is leaving me hungry, grumpy and more susceptiable to temptations. Nothing wrong with the yoghurt per-say, just my way of thinking.

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 12:47:27

Oh! I didn't realise you had been eating fruit-flavoured yoghurt before.

What are you eating/drinking now, on a daily basis?

WineGless Fri 09-Nov-12 12:48:54

Sounds like you have travelled a long distance to get to this point so well done you. You have got to work out which bits work for you which it sounds like you are trying to achieve

JessicaWakefield Fri 09-Nov-12 13:36:03

BIWI I think restaurants and food manufacturers now feel obliged to add sugar to everything as that's what most people's palates have come to expect. I remember on one of the Dr Robert Lustig videos on You Tube he said that he went to the grocery store to buy bread but of the 56 loaves he looked at he couldn't find a single one that didn't contain sugar!
Butterflies congrats on the loss, maddening to wait so long for the trousers but what a boost to find that they now don't fit and Ewan same to you re the jeans!
I stayed the same today although I think I look thinner for some reason. I've read on the BC threads that other people have also found that sometimes it takes the scales a bit of time to catch up so am hoping for a loss for the SS of marvellous-ness. Have a good day everyone, just a few hours until the weekend!

caramelwaffle Fri 09-Nov-12 13:37:47

The London Wall Restaurant and bar (next to the Museum of London - nearest station St Paul's) does the Most amazing celeriac soup: I asked the chef what is was made with? She said celeriac and cream: It is some of the best soup I have ever tasted. Had a drizzle of oil on top and two home made garlic croutons.

Breakfast - sausage patties and one egg from inside McDonalds McMuffins
Lunch - 1/2 pint cockles
<ahem>

Also...one mug of Hotel Chocolat caramel liquid hot chocolate blush

caramelwaffle Fri 09-Nov-12 13:38:27

Well done butterflies

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Fri 09-Nov-12 13:41:15

Keep going NSSS, your honesty is searing, and I hope this thread and woe helps you long term.

I am struggling a bit today with cravings, first day of period and really want something carby. Reread the article biwi posted about how the world is setup around carbs and temptation, and it's so true. I think I would find it easier if I lived alone and only had "my" food in the house, but there is bread for DH and Ds, soups, beans, and don't mention the Halloween stash!! Gah, walk away!

B oatbran with water, cream and cinnamon, then yoghurt with a dozen blueberries
L 2 poached eggs, slice of ham, side of mushrooms and leek fried in butter and creme fraiche.

Am away to make a packed tea as I am travelling over tea time to a night out with friends in the next town, I am going to try hard to resist the wine etc. and out again tomorrow, for curry!!! Give me strength, fellow LCers!!!

Doshusallie Fri 09-Nov-12 14:00:15

channelling will power Toomuch - ha ha look at me with wine will power, I can talk the talk......

Lunch - at work, so the usual - cucumber, salad leaves, ham, tuna, mayo, 2 boiled eggs, hunk of mozzarella, roasted courgettes, dollop of coleslaw.

NewStartSameStory Fri 09-Nov-12 14:12:37

Thing is Toomuch, there will always be temptation, there will always be that little voice that says go on it won't matter. You have to decide what matters most and listen to that voice that is reason. You can do this because you know it is for the best, that as much as you might think you want to give in you will only regret it, feel yucky and guilty if you do. You are doing well and it is not worth going backwards for because it takes longer to get to where you want to be. Head up, onwards and downwards!!!

Regularly? - scrambled eggs for breakfast, sometimes with bacon. I cook a packet of sausages on a fri night after training and pick at them over the weekend. lack of routine makes it harder to focus on remembering to eat and the sausages are a better snacking option ime. Erm the rest is a bit all over the place. try to eat salad for lunch but this meal is one that I struggle with remembering. Tea depends on what is happening, mostly try to have fish/meat and veg. Sometimes veg and cheese. But this too is a meal that has been picked around in the last couple of weeks so has been very hit and miss.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Fri 09-Nov-12 14:22:24

Thanks dosh glad to see the salmon wasn't fatal then ! wink

did anyone else here the black farmer (of sausages fame) on a good read on tues (r4)

ahem 'hear'

caramelwaffle Fri 09-Nov-12 14:58:03

No, Willie but I managed to track down some more of the sausages at last:
My local Sainsbury's seem to have stopped doing them (they are in Co-op)

halfthesize Fri 09-Nov-12 15:41:35

Willie belated Birthday wishes and well done BIWI re the weight loss grin

I dont seem to have much spare time at the moment to keep up with the thread but am still LC. Its DH Birthday today so its take away tonight and then out to paint the town red tomorrowsmile

I have decided that my fav breakfast is now sausage omelette, I use the LC frankfurter type, fried off first, its scrummygrin

sybilfaulty Fri 09-Nov-12 18:44:04

Half, that omelette sounds lovely.

WE have no wine in the house. I will get some when DH returns but at least I am not a glass in by now. I have a difficult weekend in prospect as I am hosting a big dinner tomorrow which might be hard as it's to remember a pal who died so I am hoping to stay on the straight and narrow as far as possible.

Happy Friday everyone smile

vnmum Fri 09-Nov-12 19:12:12

Belated birthday wishes willie

BUsy week at work, and everyone still doesn't get my woe so I just don't discuss it now. I did hear a few of them discussing fat in foods and how saturated fat is bad and that seed oil or veg oil is better. I chose to not get drawn in as I could have gone on about the omega 3:6 ratio of veg oils etc but they just don't get it. I am enjoying the job though and it is so good to have girly conversations smile

Piffle Fri 09-Nov-12 19:13:50

Well done everyone...
Such a good thread and so inspiring
I'm still losing smile
Today had bacon and eggs ( never get bored)
IDP kedgeree very filling and yummy with spinach
And Thai pork meatballs with peanut sauce and salad
And some nuts as snacks

Plus 1.5 hrs walking
Lots of water

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 19:18:53

I love those meatballs, Piffle! Must try the kedgeree at some point too.

I had a very odd bout of diarrhoea this morning - not sure if it was the meal last night, or the Pringles that I nicked from DH blush. Very peculiar - but I feel fine now. Haven't really been hungry all day, although have picked at some stuff this evening. Am hoping that the usual Friday night curry will be OK - but will definitely stick to tikka/tandoori rather than a vindaloo!

That doesn't sound very nice biwi, hope it's cleared up now

I made this for supper and it was delicious. I substituted shallots and only used one tin of tomatoes which was enough. I put it together last night and left it to marinate, then put on slow cooker this morning. I have come to really live shin beef

Oh I also left out the yoghurt - it didn't need it.

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 20:26:14

Shin of beef is a fabulous cut. And that recipe sounds lovely - might have to do that one next week, if I can get some shin when I go shopping!

WineGless Fri 09-Nov-12 20:31:23

That recipe looks yum-one for next week. I made a mistake getting IPD cookbook on kindle as I much prefer to browse a cookbook iykwim. Plus the fact I smashed my iPad screen once when a jar fell on it whilst I was cooking sort of puts me off.
Had pork chops for tea which weren't great tbh but had them with celeriac mash, cabbage and broccoli plus a creamy pepper sauce. Enjoyed the veg and sauce.

First Friday night off the booze in my no alcohol November.
Toomuchmonth - enjoy your nights out btw, you deserve them!

BIWI Fri 09-Nov-12 21:06:16

I've just bought shin! I signed up to Abel & Cole this week, and didn't realise that they do meat as well as their veg boxes. So I'm looking forward to making something with that!

Doshusallie Fri 09-Nov-12 21:22:33

Kedgeree sounds lusg am going to make that, and the buttered chicken from IPD, next week. Have been really lazy cooking this week, must try harder.

Bought tickets for the school bonfire night tonight and none of us could be arsed to go!! What lazies we are. Will write off money as a school donation.

Tea was chicken curry. Bless dh he made a version for himself with chickpeas and tomatoes, and one for me with veg.

wine enjoy Friday off the wine. <does not understand>. < Hic>

BIWI would just say that A&C do cut the fat off their meat. Don't expect too much by way of a 'yummy' moment ime.

DH wanted takeaway curry tonight. I didn't so had pizza. I am so going to pay the price aren't I but it was gooooood. grin

newstart. So glad that you are doing well. I am sending you a BIG HUG. smile

Oh BIWI, you should have said and I could have said that I introduced you to them - I use them to and love my veg box! DD thinks it is like getting a present every Thursday when we open it...

Piffle Fri 09-Nov-12 22:59:10

Abel and Cole here too smile
Lovely surprises every Monday smile
BIWI I had a funny turn yesterday, massive tummy ache, hot and cold and dizzy. Not the runs but just weird.
Hope you're better.

Am envious of the drinkers, I'm 28 days dry smile which for me is kind of epic.

The IPD butter chicken is lush. I prefer using thigh fillets as breast can dry out.
I also have a korma recipe although it uses yoghurt I use total Greek and just love it smile

Have a nice weekend everyone!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Sat 10-Nov-12 02:11:06

Back from the first of my nights out and can't sleep so thought I would update on the damage now... Since lunchtime I've had:

Cappuccino (full fat milk)
Smoked chicken salad - poncey gastropub so a few strips on a slate, water.
Snack of ham and cheese that I brought along
Second snack very late of sunflower and pumpkin seeds (only thing I could find on way back that remotely resembled passable option), water.
Just had some cucumber, a couple of strawberries, and chamomile tea

No wine though, in my defence. God I hate the pmt/period munchies. For 2/3 days I just never feel full, and just want to keep eating constantly. Bloody hormones.

butterflies well done you!!
2am, time for bed. Have a great weekend y'all.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Sat 10-Nov-12 08:35:28

Morning all. I managed to avoid all the popcorn and chocolate being munched at last nights family film night (every Friday night is treat night in this house), in fact I didn't just avoid it I didn't WANT any. What has happened to me, I've never gone without chocolate this long in my life.
Fireworks tonight and a takeaway curry (friends coming over) so might have some rice but that's it hopefully.
I seem to have lost my lifelong sweet tooth and it's great. Sausages (black farmer of course) and bacon for B.
I really think I will finish bootcamp and keep going afterwards too. Weight loss has slowed right down but even though I've still got 1/2 stone to lose, it's not just about weight anymore.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Sat 10-Nov-12 08:55:27

Just been reading another thread and wondering if anyone had any experience of this WOE combined with intermittent fasting for 1 or 2 days a week.
Obviously I'm the only person here who's been up since 5.30 with non sleeping DC and I clearly have too much time to ponder.

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 08:58:50

Morning Lavender, mine used to get up at that time too and was 6.30 this morning. When did it be acceptable to think 6.30 was a lie in!

Could you make your own cauliflower rice to have with the curry? That's what I'm doing tonight and will skip the naan bread. It's really easy to make and if you throw a bit of turmeric in its even tastier

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 09:00:24

I think vnmum and BIWI and few others tried the IF method. The trouble with that if I remember right is that you are supposed to have less than 500 calories per day on your fasting day. One of the great things about this WOE is that you don't have to count any calories. Once you are in ketosis you can go longer between meals and perhaps only eat when you are hungry?

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 09:01:36

Vnmum- meant to reply to your post last night.
Get your feet under the table for a few weeks then get on your soapbox and convert all your new colleagues wink
Glad to hear you are enjoying it-is it full time?

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Sat 10-Nov-12 09:40:01

Wine - haven't tried cauliflower rice yet as don't have a food processor. Might try and borrow one and have a go.
I'm not sure if I'm even in ketosis most of the time. Every now and again a try a ketostix but it rarely changes colour. Was hoping this was because I had adapted but maybe not. When I first started I was really thirsty first thing and rarely got hungry but now I drink water out of habit rather than because I need to and I do get peckish in the day. Have only intentionally eaten a high carb meal twice so it's not that but I think I probably have too much cream/cheese most days and do tend to eat a big plate of veggies (in a cheeses sauce) with my dinner most days. I would happily eat them with a nice gravy but haven't found one that doesn't have too many carbs.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Sat 10-Nov-12 09:43:29

When I've tried IF in the past I have found it easier not to eat at all for a whole day and just had a few cups of tea. This was ok for me but DH used to start worrying about eating disorders etc. He's still convinced I am not getting enough vitamins etc as not eating fruit even though I'm eating at least 6 portions of veg a day which I think is better.

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 09:58:09

Just use a cheese grater to grate your cauli. Bit messier but less washing up!

Doshusallie Sat 10-Nov-12 14:52:13

So this kedgeree - have bought the fish - it says for it to be poached....how do you do that then?

NotAgainAndAgain Sat 10-Nov-12 15:23:18

may I ask an unrelated question? When to expect the bridesmaid dress to turn up? On the night before the wedding or sometime before? The new DIL is not very forthcoming, every time i touch the subject, I feel i am treading on eggshells. We have seen the dress. My conundrum is what to wear over it. Am I free to choose?

NotAgainAndAgain Sat 10-Nov-12 15:25:34

my DD is the bridesmaid, she is 9.

Doshusallie Sat 10-Nov-12 15:37:43

Better check with bride re what to wear over it, colour wise etc. IME you get the dress a day or two before.

Lunch was bacon fried with onion and courgette and two fried eggs.

Dss had the same, but they had a home made knicker blocker glory for afters - layered banana, pineapple, yoghurt and the chocolate ganache leftover from last weekend's cup cake making. All in a tall glass, they love it when I do that. grin

NotAgainAndAgain Sat 10-Nov-12 15:46:12

thank you doshu!

Doshusallie Sat 10-Nov-12 15:47:15

De rien!! grin

vnmum Sat 10-Nov-12 17:23:30

Wine I already scared one of the girls by quoting the aspartame study and told her that her squash will give her cancer, lol. Yes work is full time. I was working set shifts this week but will go onto the normal shift pattern next week so hopefully will have time to get some workouts in. I have found it surprisingly tiring though.

Today I had a lie in then had to go food shopping (the joys of full time work, means I have to battle with everyone else on a saturday), then did the housework while DH did the garden with the DC help. IDeally I wanted to have weekends as quality family time but seen as I am not getting the chance to do things during the week it hasn't worked out that way, although everything except the uniform ironing is done so hopefully we can have a family day tomorrow.

LAvenders I did try the IF and found the actual fasting easy on this woe because you just don't get that hungry but I felt it didn't make a massive difference to my weight loss. I now skip breakfast once or twice a week so effectively do an 18 hour complete fast (except cups of tea) when I am going to work out so that I can workout fasted. I was skipping breakfast everyday but found my weight loss started to stall when I did. I did read an article on Marks Daily Apple about IF for women and how some women find it doesn't work as well for them.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Sat 10-Nov-12 17:25:02

Ladies, any advice on the best options to order at an Indian restaurant tonight? (Sorry for being last minute, my usual org skills)

Obv won't have the rice or naans, am thinking something tandoori is best? And I know I can have spinach as a side. But any other tips or advice gratefully received. Am going to feed DS, have a bath, then check back after that. TIA.

NotAgainAndAgain Sat 10-Nov-12 17:30:04

you have a will power Doshu - to make k-b glory and not to have it - my hat off!

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 17:41:51

Toomuchmonth - try having tandoori mixed grill or sag curry. Saag is spinach. Stay away from aloo which is potatoes. Some recommend onion bhaji as a side but here that is battered and fried I
Onio so not lc

Doshusallie Sat 10-Nov-12 18:08:54

I usually have a balti or tandoori something- cauliflower Bhaji/mushroom bhaji spinach and cheese (paneer)

dosh to poach fish - what fish is it? Usually you just put it in some milk bring to boil and simmer gently for a bit - sometimes with omion, cloves etc in the milk. Often when you strain it you then keep the milk (strained also so no onion or cloves etc) and use this for a sauce. Does that make sense?

Doshusallie Sat 10-Nov-12 19:18:47

Thanks HP. Did it in milk.

Good skills!

OMG finally got round to cooking that butter chicken it was the most delicious thing EVER!

Doshusallie Sat 10-Nov-12 19:54:18

That's next HP......grin

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 20:31:39

Evening, just got DC in bed after watching strictly.

Ladies, a first has occurred today.

I have been to a cocktail school for a friends 40ty birthday celebrations and NOT A DROP of alcohol has passed my lips.

Hurrah Wine! That's brilliant, your next name change will have to be WineLess wink

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 21:30:16

Don't panic... It's only for November wink

Doshusallie Sat 10-Nov-12 22:17:13

Winw - Show off square

grin

Kedgeree was lovely. Dh has decided not to have any and drink cider all night instead.hmm. His loss. Cauliflower rice - who knew!!!!!

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Sat 10-Nov-12 22:31:07

Took DC to fireworks tonight, was brilliant and even my youngest thought it was great.
Food has gone a bit haywire tonight as have had tikka masala, rice, onion bhaji's and meat samosas. All very yummy and topped off with a glass of wine. I even nicked a few of the kids chips. Will be much better tomorrow.

WineGless Sat 10-Nov-12 22:45:07

That's me, four sides!

However am in agony here and can only presume It was the fruit juice in the non alcoholic cocktails. Hmmm think I'm better on wine!

Viperidae Sat 10-Nov-12 23:23:38

I am back, after my few days away, and hanging my head in shame!

I could not find nice LC alternatives so decided to just forget it till I got home even the Krispy Kreme doughnuts but just need to get back on track now. What is this 3 day thingie?

On the plus side it was wonderful seeing DS again and catching up with friends we don't see often

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Sat 10-Nov-12 23:30:30

I think I did ok at the Indian Challenge. I had a prawn starter, then the tandoori grill. They brought a bhuna sauce with it so I had a few tastes but not much. Had spinach side dish, quite plain but nice colour contrast to all the red meat on my plate!
Sparkling water and a coffee with cream.
Feel very full (the grill was huge) but really didn't miss having rice. I think if I'd had a creamy sauce I would have wanted naan to mop it up but cos I had chosen tandoori, not an issue.

Waves to Wineglessless! Well done you!

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Sun 11-Nov-12 07:23:59

Woohoo 10 2lbs this morning so no big gain after last nights blowout. Its daft but that's cheered me up no end this morning.

captainmummy Sun 11-Nov-12 07:34:24

Have had a rotten few days - starting with a carby day on wednesday, felt rough after that! Then really good thursday and most of friday until went to dinner with friends - she did melon with sliced meats (had some melon) then chicken and butterbean pie with mash and veg - avoided the mash and tried not to eat the pastry. Then there was a lush raspberry cheesecake, and then cheese and biscuits. And lots of wine, cocktails, port ... felt awful yesterday. HAve had a raging headache for about 3 days now, and spent most of yesterday in bed.

Breakfast - nothing
lunch - nothing
dinner - 2 quorn burgers, 1 tomato, slice cheese.

Weighed this morning and i'm still up!
sad

And I've still got the headache.

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 08:04:36

Bleurgh. Woke up this morning with horrible sore throat and snotty nose. Wonder if that diarrhoea incident was in any way related to this? Am also running a temperature and generally feeling very sorry for myself sad

Went to the MN Blogfest yesterday, (so no doubt have been spreading my lurgy far and wide amongst the blogosphere grin), which was great - and they had specially ensured that there were low carb options at lunchtime! (Mind you, the canapes at the drinks party afterwards were absolutely gorgeous and one or two carby ones may have found their way into my gob).

Am going to have a 'take it easy' day today - have cancelled my session at the gym, and hopefully can knock this cold on the head quickly. I have a really busy week next week and can't afford to be poorly.

vnmum Sun 11-Nov-12 09:53:13

Good idea to rest BIWI. MAybe MNHQ knew how big bootcamp is and guessed there would be some LCers there and catered accordingly. IF only they could spread the message to the rest of the catering business smile

I am back on the exercise wagon today. Got up and did a kettlebell workout and boy can I feel it after 2.5 weeks of no exercise.

No breakfast for me, not sure what lunch is but tea is emmental lasagne and I will take leftovers for lunch at work tomorrow.

I have my parents coming to see us next weekend so am doing a belgian beef stew on friday and not sure what will happen saturday. They usually want to go out for something to eat but they are travelling home sat night so not sure if they will want to eat out at lunch. I will have to steer them away from pizza hut.

AuntieMaggie Sun 11-Nov-12 10:24:20

I'm still here but all over the country so trying as best I can... though I have slipped up a few times but what this WOE has done has reduced my appetite so when I have slipped up I've eaten a lot less. Am 2lbs up sad

BIWI hope you feel better soon. And I hope you have given your lurgy to that witch Liz Jones. She has written about the blogfest in the fail. y'know, how all we ever talk about is our kids and baking cakes! angry

Its in todays paper. I am so fed up with her.

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 11:59:27

Yes - she's a lovely person isn't she?

Think I am going to either be a little bit up this week or STS from last week. With DH being away for three out the last four weeks and the last two in a row, I've let myself slip into bad habits and frankly not really bootcamped at all lite or otherwise. Today is going to be a good day and DH and I are both ready to get back into the swing of things.

We were talking about getting a slow cooker - are they good? Do they take up a lot of room?

BIWI - sorry, hope you feel better soon!

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 12:33:31

I like my slow cooker, although I don't use it half as much as I could do. I have a very small one (have had it since my single, university days!), so it doesn't take up too much room. It just sits next to the toaster, keeping itself to itself.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Sun 11-Nov-12 13:09:50

Get well soon biwi and * captainmummy*

So glad you got to see your Ds viper

Viperidae Sun 11-Nov-12 14:01:41

Thanks toomuch, it was lovely.

I woke up this morning with that awful craving for crap food that you get after falling off the wagon, but managed to hold myself back from Rice Krispies with milk and sugar. I need to be strict this week as we are away next weekend and I know I will be bad and enjoy it

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 14:02:43

Oh yes, viper - you must be much relieved to have him back!

ignores references to Rice Krispies with milk and sugar

Just this once...

Doshusallie Sun 11-Nov-12 15:06:09

Breakfast was Greek yoghurt.

Lunch was loads of veg (red cabbage, swede, broccolli,) with roast beef. Avoided roast spuds, Yorkshire puds. Helped myself to some roast chicken too. Also avoided the enormous tiramisu that I had made for pudding, although did have to lick the spoon for a taste. I had a glass of red wine instead of pudding.

I feel very full, and expect the scales to be up again tomorrow, as there have been a few licks of spoons, lots of red wine, and rather a lot of onion in meals this weekend.

What I SHOULD do now is round the boys up and go for a long walk in the beautiful sunshine. However we have the papers, and the boys seem quite happy with the telly......and we did walk to shop this morning and ds1 has played football.........[lazy]

captainmummy Sun 11-Nov-12 16:52:13

Looked at the photos of the blog-day BIWI - are you in any of them? <maybe the one with pink hair?>

<actually ,no,I think you're the blonde one talking to the lady with the plate of (carby?) food. >

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 17:30:10

Oooh - will go and have a look! (I definitely don't have pink hair - that's MmeGuillotine)

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 17:32:40

Are you looking at the Facebook page? If you look two photos to the right of MmeGuillotine, that's the back of my head! (Me trying to get my iPad to connect to a very dodgy WiFi)

captainmummy Sun 11-Nov-12 18:20:35

The blonde? In the white? So is that also you talking to the lady with the plate of food?

Honestly - my weekend can't get any worse! I bought a large chicken at lidl on monday, kept it in the freezer, and defrosted overnight. I spent 2 hours cooking it (and potatoes and yorkshire for the boys, and swede roasted, and mashed, and cauli-cheese, and roast veg) and I cut into the chicken to find it green inside!

Poor boys (Half-starved, as per young teens)had to make do with potatoes and yorkshire and sweetcorn - and gravy. I dished up the gravy without thinking - do you think it'll be ok? It's made with the juices from the chicken...

Oh god.

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 18:25:36

No that's not me!

Bleurgh to green chicken. But if the gravy tasted OK I'm sure they will be fine!

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 18:26:51

This is the back of my head!

In brown/beige, with my ipad

Doshusallie Sun 11-Nov-12 19:03:02

Waves maniacally at the back of biwi's actual head!!!! grin

Had another glass of red whilst watching "Up" with ds2 - weekend a total right off when it comes to booze [as usual]. Tea will be several pit stops to the fridge while I nibble on leftover veg.

There was an article in one of the Sunday times magazines, with a list of symptoms to show when you should get a new job. I could tick off at least 5 of the 7ish, including "when Monday morning blues start on Saturday night".....sad

WineGless Sun 11-Nov-12 20:03:02

Hope u are feeling better BIWI - looks like a fab day yesterday.

Not much to report in the Gless household. Kids parties, gardening, homework and chores. TOTM for me and feeling very flat, explains my stomach ache last night though doh!

Hope you're feeling better BIWI. What a lovely slim head you have there. grin

Dosh, that feeling is awful isn't it. I knew I had to leave my last job when the Monday morning blues started on a Friday evening fgs. Are you looking for something else?

I made those chocolate raspberry liqueur pots today that BIWI posted on the recipe thread. God they were gooooooood. Feel porky now though.

BIWI Sun 11-Nov-12 21:13:24

LOL at slim head!

Piffle Sun 11-Nov-12 21:45:57

Hope the snottiness is easing BIWI?

I went to stay with a friend and it all went a bit umm err
Firstly travelling in the middle of the day meant I skipped lunch, friend did too, so somehow jellybabies were the only thing available and I was getting the shakes from low blood sugar so ate several.
Then chilli for dinner, little bit of brown rice and 3 glasses of wine. Plus some dark chocolate.
Lots of walking though
Today biscuits instead of breakfast ( up at 6 into London, food choices horrendous and £££ ) so we ate a pack of bikkies...
Meat and salads for lunch, tons of walking
Dinner ( finally home) to chicken korma and cauliflower rice made by my gorgeous DH.

Quick hop on the scales shows a little gain but I'm ok with that smile
Onwards and upwards ( or downwards as the scales go that is)

captainmummy Sun 11-Nov-12 22:11:59

And the weekend is not over yet ...sad have just gone upstairs to find a leak coming through my bedroom ceiling! Can only think the plumber loosened something on friday, fitting new radiator valves. Have now had to turn off stopcock and run hot water out, and TURN OFF THE HEATING! It's going to be -3 tonight. Sob.

Luckily the leaks have just missed my bed. Will have to sleep waiting for the drips.

Oh no captain that's the last thing you need! Fingers crossed it is easily and chea

...cheaply sorted

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Sun 11-Nov-12 23:42:44

Oh captainmummy def NOT needed on a sun night!! Aargh!

B oatbran with water/cream
L slice of ham, couple of spoonfuls of egg mayo, big slice of cheddar
D smallish steak, panfried, with salad and feta
Snack now after late one at work, cabbage leek and kale stir fried in nut oil and chilli flakes, with small bowl of Greek yoghurt after.

Not sure how tomw weigh in will go, I have TOTM and feel I've been eating a LOT tho still LC, quite a lot of dairy. Cheese is my new comfort food hmm

I do think my boobs are getting a bit smaller though! That's no bad thing, as I was easily a DD/E cup. Today I put on a winter jacket - that last year I couldn't do up the buttons across my boobs and wore it with a big scarf in the gap, - but today it buttoned up perfectly ok!! Maybe I just have thinner jumpers this year .....

Viperidae Mon 12-Nov-12 00:11:29

I really need to get back to being good, I have been far too lax lately and know I will have put on after this weekend.

Having said that I wore a top this weekend that I bought a while ago but never wore as it didn't lie right somehow, well it does now! That can only be down to losing a bit of weight smile

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 12-Nov-12 06:46:25

Aargh am hoping this is just a delayed result from Saturdays curry night as am up a couple of pounds again and was really good yesterday. Every time I get within a pound or two of 10 stone it all starts going the wrong way again. Am desparate to see a number starting with 9 before this bootcamp finishes.
Congrats to everyone who's lost.

caramelwaffle Mon 12-Nov-12 06:59:13

Good morning.

Pretty much the same. I'm going back on to Bootcamp hardcore. Water consumption has dropped off massively and this has to be reversed.

Congratulations on any losses. Good luck with weigh ins everyone.

BIWI Mon 12-Nov-12 07:53:33

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/1610105-Week-7-Little-Black-Dress-Low-Carb-Bootcamp-Only-4-weeks-left Week 7 chat thread here ]]

BIWI Mon 12-Nov-12 07:53:46

Whoops:

BIWI Mon 12-Nov-12 07:54:18

Oh dear. Why does that happen? I definitely put that link there, but it's invisible!

Try again:

sybilfaulty Mon 12-Nov-12 07:54:46

Morning

1lb on for me, which is easily explained by too much wine, not enough water and possibly a piece of bread on Sat night. I did wear my pretend missoni dress though which got lots of compliments, so it's encourages me to stick with it.

There are 4 weeks of Bootcamp left. I'll be going hard at it for the rest of the time.

BIWI Mon 12-Nov-12 07:55:18
NotAgainAndAgain Wed 14-Nov-12 08:42:27

Congrats to loosers.
I am still here, and even loosing (even if it is minuscular amount of 200 gr equivalent of a glass of water).
Will update s/s now, though weighed myself yesterday morning only, running mad as a loonie with those dresses. Oh who invented big weddings.

NotAgainAndAgain Wed 14-Nov-12 08:47:38

I thought I'd stall loss, as cheated with croissant at my MIL's breakfast. So expected stalling if not gaining. Phew, gods are nice to me, so I'l keep on being good!

BIWI Wed 14-Nov-12 08:54:41

NotAgain - we're on another chat thread now! Look for the week 7 one ...

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