Week 2 - Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - check in here for tomorrow!

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BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 08:12:46

We managed to fill the thread before the end of the week, so I'm starting the next one.

Here is the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness for you to record your weight tomorrow

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 08:17:54

Those of you who are coming towards the end of your first week of low carbing, I hope you haven't suffered too much from carb withdrawal. It's a bit of an eye-opener, though, isn't it, how much of a grip carbs have on us, that they should make us feel so bad once we stop eating them?

Now we're through the first week you should start to feel much better and more energetic. By now you should be getting to grips with low carbing and - hopefully - have a better understanding of what to do and (most importantly!) what not to do.

I know that the weekend isn't quite over, and I know that there has been a fair bit of cheating going on for some of us (and I include myself here). Let's get back on that wagon and make sure we're strict for the rest of the week, before we move on to Bootcamp Light!

Here endeth the lesson ... grin

Ilovemyteddy Sun 07-Oct-12 09:20:19

Marking my place. Still no weight loss for me this week. Am going to eat more and see what happens. Just had a long swim which has set me up for the day. Am now going to start making Christmas cakes. Of course I won't be eating them grin

MmeLindor Sun 07-Oct-12 09:28:32

Marking place.

Didn't lose any more, but that was to be expected since I had wine yesterday.

Not sure what to do today as we are flying to Germany. Have no more fresh food in the house and would normally grab a sandwich at the airport. Will see what I can find, but may have to cheat today.

Will be back to bootcamp tonight though.

MmeLindor Sun 07-Oct-12 09:31:01

Just read BIWI's shouty rant from last night. <chastened>

You know what is strange - I don't crave sweet stuff at all. I really enjoyed my glass of wine last night, but I don't miss desserts and chocolate. Weird.

tartiflette Sun 07-Oct-12 09:31:18

Marking my place. I definitely need to be stricter this week. Having low carbed for a long time, it was much harder than I'd anticipated to go back to bootcamp... Maybe harder than the first time when i was starting from scratch, if that makes any sense. think i had reached a kind of comfort zone where I knew what I could get away with without gaining. But the thing is I've hit a plateau and would like to shift another 10-14lb so really must toughen up.

Will do better this week!

sybilfaulty Sun 07-Oct-12 09:36:45

Thanks for new thread.

I did OK til Thursday when my cold started, snuck in some wine, not enough water, but weirdly no bits of toast etc. I will see how the scales are tomorrow but I think I am firmly entrenched not to want to go too far off piste. I have no social things this week til Sat and hopefully cold on the wane so should be able to bootcamp properly. Hurray!

EwanHoozami Sun 07-Oct-12 09:41:40

Morning all.

seeing as I've not been able to get my hands on kale yet I made crisps last night out of grilled pepperoni. Was yum. The Waitrose own brand pepperoni is super-low carb (I think some others have norty fillers in them)

NewStartSameStory Sun 07-Oct-12 09:43:37

Sat food report:
b:fancy scrambled eggs
L: nothing

however, before BIWI gets all shouty and waves that big stick about. I took a nap sat lunchtime and didn't wake up until sunday morning. A whole 19hrs of sleep. I'd like to say i feel better for it but i have a killer dehydration headache and every single muscle in my body hates me and has gone stiff.

Food plan for today:
B: bacon and eggs
L: tea from last night (fish and veg)
T: lamb and veg.
Snacks: yoghurt, salad, cheese (perhaps but possibly not)

Exercise plan: gentle stretching. Plus 1 hour intensive physio work if I remember and there is time.

Morning all

Week 2 already (nearly) its gone so quick :/ i really have that funny taste in my mouth today!
Not sure about breakfast yet but...
L- chicken breast and salad.
D- broccoli cheese with some sort of meat :/ i have yet to go and stick my head in the freezer to see!

Doshusallie Sun 07-Oct-12 10:03:35

Marking place. Mme Lindor safe trip! Airports are a nightmare for food on the go, unless you can get yourself a fry up?

Green eyes don't leave!

Dinner party was a success, my intake was as follows:

Roasted red pepper and tomato soup - did not have the homemade rosemary scones
Lamb and chorizo stew with buttered cabbage and bacon bits - did not have the buttery mashed potato, and picked out the butter beans
Pudding went down a treat, guests had seconds and didn't believe that I had made it myself grin. Will deffo make that again it was a total winner. I did not have any.
Rather a lot of cheese - and I do hold my hand up to 3 small crackers eaten with it
1 g&t, 2 glasses of prosecco and 2 glasses of red.

So terrible on the alcohol front, but could have been a lot worse on the food side. Will be super good today and just hope that I maintain on the scales tomorrow.

BIWI a planned cheat of alcohol on the weekend is a good idea I think - I expect you are completely stunned that that is my position on the matter grin. It would deffo help me stay away from wine during the week.

B: a cup of decaf tea, with lactose free milk, a berocca, and a pint of water so far. Waiting for dh and ds1 to get home from footie and will do a fry up.

TMI ALERT - anyone else got green poo when strictly low carbing? Maybe it's all the veg....

foosty Sun 07-Oct-12 10:05:22


I am NOT WELL. I need help. I feel sick, yet am starving. I have a head cold. I am craving porridge, it's all I can think about. What should I eat? I'm not going to cheat, but I need to feel better. I can make soup for later but I have no idea what to eat just now.

God I feel awful. and I weighed myself. Nothing lost. Fuck.

Oh no foosty sorry to hear your not feeling too good... Perhaps youve caught the lergie thats going around.. A fry up would fill you up, maybe with some water? X

WineGless Sun 07-Oct-12 10:19:27

Morning all. On the way to the zoo,zoo,zoo!! Had big fry up this morning so going I won't need much today.

Well done Bloss on the dinner party

New start- sounds like your body is telling you something! Be kind to yourself x

Mmelindor- safe trip. Airports are a nightmare. I found one salad in boots which was pretty low carb tuna Nicosia in Boots. Other than that pepperami and nuts see me through.

havent weight myself, but I know I have lost inches! I can see it, feel it and have peed it.

Back is a little better today. Still horizontal mostly and lots of meds.

NewStartSameStory Sun 07-Oct-12 10:56:16

I am doing this to be kind to myself. I haven't slept properly in months, and previously it has had to be med induced. Physio reduces pain, pain causes comfort eating. Am stiff today because I did 2 intensive training sessions and didn't stretch out yesterday. It is impossible to do that level of exercise and not be stiff if you don't stretch. And having had 1 1.2 ltr water now the headache is receeding. Caffine headache has kicked in BUT there will be at most 2 cups today rather the pre last week 6 or 7. There is no way to get this put back together without being a bit harsh. But the long term benefits are huge. I am not craving sugar this morning. I am eating veg (which is a huge thing for me) and i have energy and less snipey.

last week exercise: 3 intensive stamina sessions, 2 flexibility and core work, and 1 physio session. This is a gentle full training week, not a recovery week. Next week in theory should be stepped up but will see how I feel.

NewStartSameStory Sun 07-Oct-12 11:18:49

footsy:- big fry up, cauliflour cheese, broccoli cheese works well. Hot stuff is better comfort food then cold so I would avoid salads today personally.

Incidentally what i am I doing wrong with my salads that leave me starving hungry a hour later? Is it a state of mind thing?

Salad: lettice, celery, raddishes, coleslaw, cheese.

I don't like oil or dressings on my salad gives it a funny texture and I have food texture issues. Is there anything I can do to make it fill me up for longer?

newstart I think more protein and fat in your salad might help. I would go for a mega salad with any combination of hardboiled egg, fried mushrooms, avocado, smoked salmon, prawns, bacon, fried chorizo, fried halloumi or even a blue cheese dressing (olive oil, lemon juice, strong soft blue cheese). Might help to keep hunger levels down.... I realise that if you have food texture issues stuff like avocados and smoked salmon might not be great but I'm sure there's some more food you can add?

WineGless Sun 07-Oct-12 12:35:15

New start you need fat with your salad up release the vitamins anyway. Is there any sort of dipping sauce you could try do that it's not drizzled over all the salad? Defo up your fat intake as that what keeps you full plus that's what your body will be using for fuel. As you are training did you look at the mark Sissonz site for more specific recommendations?

NewStartSameStory Sun 07-Oct-12 12:45:25

Looked but struggled to find specific recommendations. Suffering carb flu today. I also think my body has gone into shock over the sleep thing.

I think i will really struggle with oil drizzled or dipped tbh. I will include mushrooms and eggs and bits and bobs to up the protein and then when I have adjusted to all the changes that challenge all my food issues many many issues Then perhaps I will be in the right place to try the dipping thing. I am wary of pushing myself over an edge into the fuck it just won't eat anything state of mind. It is a risk I have to be very careful about managing as I am a pro at it.

vnmum Sun 07-Oct-12 13:22:54

B - nothing, doing housework
L (just now) - tuna mayo, avocado, olives
T - fry up

need to drink more water today, not drunk much so far as been busy

Glad to see im not the only one suffering with housework today!
Im feeling alot better tummy and headwise grin woos!
Im also feelin very full up after my chicken salad.. Just hope i stay that way til dinner!

Ps. The scales went up in a day from 86.2 to 87.0 and now they are back to what they were sobunless they go down again in the morning (eerything crossed) i will only have lost not even a pound BUT im keeping at it!

pixiestix Sun 07-Oct-12 13:54:22

Marking place. Don't think I've lost anything but I've been ill all week so ended up a bit off piste blush Onwards and downwards.

Doshusallie Sun 07-Oct-12 14:04:40

B: 2 boiled eggs
L: 4 frankfurter sausages, cucumber and some cheese

1.5 litres so far

Coffee with cream

Just had a very upsetting visit to my mum, and feel like mainlining something norty but won't.

frumpet Sun 07-Oct-12 14:25:18

Also marking place . Other than the wine on saturday , i have been fairly good . I think i am getting a better understanding of the WOE now . Am slow roasting pork for tonight . Will be going to be weighed tonight

frumpet Sun 07-Oct-12 14:26:06

oopd pressed too soon , not sure if i have lost any weight but i dont look quite so pregnant grin

Im watching. Nigella express, i realllly love her cooking!
I wish we could eat half the stuff she makes... I suppose tho i could adapt things somehow! wink

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 14:42:22

I felt very strange this morning - almost didn't go to the gym. Had to go to the loo 4 times before I left the house! So had a more gentle than normal workout. Feeling OK now, but tired. I know I was fighting off a cold at the beginning of the week, so don't know if this is part of that, or some other bug.

Anyway. Today:

B - yoghurt + vanilla, pre-gym
L - 'bubble and squeak' made from leftover celeriac and leek mash, with a fried egg on top, with mixed salad and avocado with shallot vinaigrette

We go out to dinner on Sunday, so not sure what I will be having.

BIWI i hope youre feeling on the mend soon... There seems to be alot going around atm, take it easy smile

marking place

a couple of times on this woe i've felt like i'm coming down with something but it hasn't quite turned into a full-blown bug, this might just be a coincidence though

Jacaqueen Sun 07-Oct-12 14:51:36

A new thread already.

I am still at our holiday home. Will be heading back home shortly. I have been a bit picky this weekend. More carbs consumed than strictly necessary but not too bad. Will just have to wait and see what the scales say in the morning.

On the plus sides lots of lovely coastal walks in the autumn sunshine.

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 14:58:59

That sounds lovely, Jac

foosty Sun 07-Oct-12 15:22:34

BIWI - that's how I started feeling on Friday morning, and now I have a full-on head-y cold, all stuffed up. Plus my tummy feels a bit delicate - feel sick but am starving at the same time. Have slept today and had some spicy soup, feeling a bit better. Have a lemsip and see if that helps.

Waiting for my shopping to come...need to make some kind of LC comfort food. Mashed something probably..bubble and squeak sounds like a plan! Is the recipe on the other thread?

hurricanewyn Sun 07-Oct-12 15:27:50

Hi all

Just checking in. Hope everyone is ok and thanks to those that aren't feeling too great. I've been good today, woke up starving hungry and craving stodge, but have managed ok

B - Boiled egg, mashed with butter & salt
L - Corned beef hash, made with tin tomatoes, celeriac mash & a little bit of chorizo with grated cheese on top (not strictly bootcamp, but better than what I wanted blush)
D - Lamb breast in the slowcooker & veg. Prob celeriac & cauliflower as that's what's in and I'm too lazy to go out for anything else.

Just to let you know - I've put a couple of recipes on the recipe thread for kebabs. They're just like from the take away, lowcarb & great for junky food so you don't feel like you're missing out.

Marking place - today has been a good day so far!

Viperidae Sun 07-Oct-12 15:57:25

Also marking place.

BIWI I was just like that on Friday, went to loo loads before I got to gym.

DH and DD taken in-laws out for a walk and they'll be back any minute.

ForSaletotheHighestBidder Sun 07-Oct-12 16:01:07

Hi all, had school reunion and was very good food wise. Smoked salmon to start, chicken, cabbage, broccoli and creamy mushroom sauce. No dessert, black coffee. And a lot of white wine. blush

Fry up for breakfast.

Craving chips, might have chicken breast from the chippy to satisfy craving for fried crap.

Is it weird that i'm looking forward to the weigh in?!

AngieAir Sun 07-Oct-12 16:06:12

Not expecting much from the scales tomorrow. Didn't drink enough water on long shifts at work last wek as crazy busy and now have a stinking cold. So although not eating much as no appetite, I'm drinking too much tea as need hot drinks for my throat. Usually I'd have half fruit juice half hot water so suppose tea is better.

EwanHoozami Sun 07-Oct-12 16:23:19

I can't stop picking today. Not on terrible stuff (slice of turkey here, chunk of brie there..) but it's making me feel crap for some reason.

Exhaustion from the pre-schooler sleep training maybe.

Need to do online shop. Because that'll stop me thinking about food <sigh>

Sending a virtual hot toddy to those feeling poorly brew

caramelwaffle Sun 07-Oct-12 16:24:46

Hello everyone.

Hope everyone who is unwell feels better soon.

Breakfast - nothing I preferred the lay in

Lunch - Leftover spiced spinach (large bowl)

Just now - two curried lamb chops (threw sauce in bin as it is onion puree heavy)

Tonight - nothing

1l of water so far with three to go

Does anyone else have a digital scale that gives widely varying readings every time it is stepped on? Differences of up to three pounds within seconds/minutes? So, so annoying! I'll take the lowest readings from now on.

Good luck with weigh in tomorrow.

caramelwaffle Sun 07-Oct-12 16:26:31

Have you tried hot drinks Ewan? Herbal teas or normal tea?

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 16:27:49

If ever my scales do that, I weigh myself 3 times and then take the lowest reading!

caramelwaffle Sun 07-Oct-12 16:29:27

Yes. Good idea.

Like the Halloween name by the way smile

HumphreyCobbler Sun 07-Oct-12 16:30:31

hope everyone feels better soon

I am pleased I have now managed nine days without cheese. I think I will start to shred daily when my finger gets better. Bloody finger is taking a long time to heal though. I suppose I could go for a run tomorrow (I bloody hate running).

Yes my scales randomly add 4lb from time to time I have NO idea why. I know it can't possibly be a gain as I weigh daily these days and it can happen after I know I've been good. I just reset them and get back on again

I am v suspicious of the body fat % thingy though - overnight it took me down by 10%, then a couple of weeks later put me back up again by 10%! I no longer trust it one bit

I wonder whether some water got in the works or something

Livelongandprosper Sun 07-Oct-12 16:48:56

Marking my place for tomorrow. I am really pleased with my weight loss this week, I am off on holiday on Saturday and have tried on my bikini - didn't look too bad at all!

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 16:51:47


Boobz Sun 07-Oct-12 17:39:53

Is it too late to join this thread? - I have only just seen it (or even wandered into this part of the forum for the first time this evening) as am myself on a big diet / phys obsession for the next 3 months+.

I am on the Zone diet (are any of you?) which is low carb and quite restrictive but working wonders already. I was 58.8kg on Oct 1st (just happened to start the same day as all of you ladies) and I just weighed myself tonight and I am 57.5kg, so it's working! I am following it to the letter, so far.

I also run about 50-60km a week (I love running!) at elevation, and am about to start P90X (am waiting for it to arrive in the post). I want to get ripped like the before and after photos for P90X on the web! My husband is doing all of this too (Zone diet, running, and P90X when it arrives), so that helps a lot.

Can I join? Can someone link to the original thread so I can catch up?

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 17:43:50

Of course you can!

Here's the first thread

Here is the week 1 thread

Here's the recipe thread

You can add yourself to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness, or Willie will do that for you.

Just caught up - hope you are all feeling better soon those who are under the weather. I have made a soup for tomorrow - using up veg that needed using or chucking and didn't use a recipe or anything - made a guess at spices and it i delish, very proud (I am not so good without recipes generally!).

B - bacon and scrambled eggs, black tea flavoured with mango
L - two packs of pork scratchings as on road and only thing at petrol station!
D - roast chicken, savoy cabbage and bacon, carrots for others (might have a couple!)

Have had a busy day sorting out stuff in the house, putting up ikea furniture and sorting out toys and cupboards! I haven't yet had enough water, but am determined to fix that before bedtime!!!

MegTheCat Sun 07-Oct-12 18:47:52

Hi all. We were at a wedding yesterday. Wore my lbd (colours may vary) but had to wear big scary pants to hold tummy in. Hope not to need those by xmas. Did well on the low carbing considering. Big fried breakfast in the hotel, reception was a buffet so just had chicken legs, quiche (left the crust) and lots of crudites and salad garnish bits. Discovered radishes are nice - i think they're on the allowed list so may add to my own salads now. Bit low on water tho. Didnt want to be dying for the loo during wedding or 3-hour trip home. And reception was in a marquee with a bar and there was No Water! shock I had to drink diet coke. I just managed 2ltrs water but usually aim for 3. Also snacked on pepperami & pork scratchings on way home so a bit too processed. Pleased i didnt succumb to the carbs

MegTheCat Sun 07-Oct-12 19:00:11

Just caught up on the thread. My scales, too, vary wildly. I keep stepping back on until it gives me the same reading twice and go with that. I like weighing daily but am trying to give it up as its quite time consuming.

Viperidae Sun 07-Oct-12 19:44:45

My scales are mad, they can vary up to 5lb within minutes. If it wasn't for the fact that I've eaten breakfast and had a drink, vitamins, etc I'd weigh myself at work.

Well tea with the in-laws went off well. I made the Delia recipe (chicken breast stuffed with mushrooms with marsala gravy) but made the gravy with chicken stock and just a slosh of sherry instead to cut carbs. Creamed leeks were lush as always but I forgot to cook the broccoli (we'll be eating it all flipping week now!) so ate just a few bits of carrot. Even the sugar-free jelly with berries in and cream went down well (it's amazing what making ordinary stuff in pretty little glass dishes can do!)

Other than that I have had greek yoghurt with a spoonful of rhubarb with cinnamon for breakfast then sausage, bacon and eggs for lunch so not too bad considering normal life is going on (unlike my poor friend on WW)

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 19:57:52

Brilliant - and great to see some good behaviour wink

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 19:58:47

We went out for dinner to Bill's, a new restaurant in Wimbledon. Very little that was easily OK for me to eat, surprisingly, or at least not without asking for them to serve without this and that. I had a naked burger with cheese, no fries and extra salad. And drank fizzy water.

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 20:07:54

<shines halo>

Doshusallie Sun 07-Oct-12 20:14:20

Tea started about 5.30 as I ate all the leftover cabbage and bacon that the kids didn't eat for their tea, then continued as I polished off what chorizo and bits of lamb left on their plates, I swerved THE PUDDING again while I served it for their afters. Then shared a piece of pork belly with DH. Am drinking decaf tea with lactose free milk (hereafter to be known as DTWLFM), and have eaten 2 brazil nuts. Think I am done now. Am very very tired after a late night last night and a 2 hour walk/bike ride with DS2 this afternoon.

Another Daily weigher here. I only weigh though if it's straight out of bed after a wee and stripped naked. I don't even have a sip of water. ROFL at whoever said they don't even put deodorant on... grin

Poppy1234 Sun 07-Oct-12 20:19:34

BIWI, is that Bill Granger's restaurant? Super envious and very surprised there weren't many options, so disappointing as a lot of his recipes (I may have all his books) are perfect for low carb.

I now look about 6 months pregnant after a massive dinner, feel slightly annoyed with myself as there was no need to be such a glutton.

Didn't have wine all weekend, realised a 14 month toddler age gap needs wine so won't be making that mistake again. I'm pleased I did it, not just for diet reasons but I did miss it with meals, especially as I make an effort to cook more extravagantly at the weekend. I only really drink at the weekend anyway so think I will include it as a cheat.

B: Greek yoghurt
L: Scrambled egg, bacon, 97% sausage, avocado and cherry toms
D: Lemon and thyme butter roasted chicken, roast celeriac and slow braised cabbage (the nicest vegetable dish I have eaten in a long time, just gorgeous) morethantoast.org/2012/05/mtt-slow-braised-creamy-cabbage/

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 20:27:53

No - sadly it's not! It's a chain, apparently. Nice food, good ambiance - just nothing without bread/rice/cous cous/pitta bread ...

Doshusallie Sun 07-Oct-12 20:31:10

Poppy that cabbage looks divine have bookmarked link

butterflyexperience Sun 07-Oct-12 20:46:42

Boo Hoo, I caved in and had milk hot chocolate!
I was out working all day and did perfect all day. Came home had a salmon dinner and still felt cold.

Craved hot chocolate.
Made it.
Had it
Hated it!

Find it so hard to get over the mental craving...
Miss the emotional comfort from eating stodge...

It's like everything in my life wants a piece of me, to do something.
Comfort food just gives me love...

I also now feel fat bloated...

BigBroomstickBIWI Sun 07-Oct-12 20:52:21

Oh my goodness - I have to make that!

Viperidae Sun 07-Oct-12 20:55:17

I'm envious of anywhere civilised that has restaurants that don't have golden arches or serve everything deep fried in batter! (Can you tell I live at the seaside?)

Seeing as the idea of building in a cheat at weekends has been raised. Has anybody read this carbnite.com/ns-thesolution.php and, if so, what do you think? There is a science page explaining about the hormones, etc which I know some of you will understand better than I do.
I know some people might be a bit tetchy about cheating but this suggests that it might be a good thing if done in a controlled way.

It struck me that a couple of you who had low-carbed for a while said at the start of bootcamp that you had hit plateaus that shifted after carb-laden holidays. So might this work or is it too good to be true?

bucksmum Sun 07-Oct-12 21:20:01

BiWi I went to Bills on Thursday! and had exactly the same as you! I thought it was lovely. DP had the chicken skewers which looked yummy as well, bt bv without all the cous cous

EwanHoozami Sun 07-Oct-12 21:48:35

Poppy that looks lurvely.

Anyone who is a fan of cauli rice - I found this way of preparing it. File under "why didn't I think of this before" no more grated fingers

It worked a treat with my lime, tamari soy & five spice marinaded salmon and beansprouts.

MmeLindor Sun 07-Oct-12 21:56:02

Arrived in Germany.

Sadly I had to go for a sandwich that was eaten on the run. We got held up in traffic on our way to the airport and only got there an hour before boarding. Was bit of a mad rush to get through security and to the gate in time.

Arrived to find that DH has a well stocked fridge, with those little sausages, eggs and salmon so will be back on track tomorrow.

My scale gives v different readings. I weigh 3x and take the lowest too.

DIYapprentice Sun 07-Oct-12 22:17:44

Well I've been good today.

B: 2 egg, ham and mushroom omelette
L: chicken breast pieces, some cheese and some coleslaw (M&S really has a dire low carb on the run snack selection!!)
D: mince with taco seasoning, with cheese wrapped in lettuce leaves and some leftover celeriac and cauliflower mash

Somewhere between 2 and 3 litres of water, have lost count with this stupid cold, sooooo fuzzy headed.

Will see what the scales say tomorrow.....

Themumsnot Sun 07-Oct-12 22:38:18

Hmm. Have been really, really good all week but blown it tonight with two glasses of wine.

WineGless Sun 07-Oct-12 22:41:32

Evening my loser friends

I have had such a lovely Sunday. We went to the zoo and met my friend with her two children. Went for linch and had burger and cheese withextra salad for lunch.
DSil invited us of Sunday roast and as ex lighter life she knows how to plate up a low carb dinner. The only thing slight,y off piste was butternut squash but in the grand scheme of things it was fine.skipped dessert and had cheese and resisted crackers.

<polishes halo >

I think I am on track for 2lbs loss this week which am really happy about considering the alcohol I am have consumed

caramelwaffle Sun 07-Oct-12 23:02:05

Good luck for weigh ins tomorrow.

Am retaining water and feel like the stay puff marshmallow man hmm

Had parma ham and crabmeat with chillis for evening meal.

It's Monday morning here already, 6.5lbs down in first week of bootcamp, no cheating. It's been easier than I thought it would be but needed willpower at times - roll on week 2.

Best of luck with your weigh-ins grin

Hello ... may I sneak in late? I've had the previous thread sitting in a tab on my computer for two days while I ploughed through it and I think I more or less get what you're doing now (ish).

I weigh 143 lb. I'd put myself on the spreadsheet but am a Luddite and it's beyond me.

I am already doing about 6 of the rules, but need to keep myself on the straight and narrow, and probably need to cut out the cheese, too, as I think it's stalling me. How do you know?

Also - stupid question, but what's the logic behind the vanilla extract? I love a teaspoon of that in my yoghurt - do you mean more like a sparing tasteless drop or two? I mean, it's basically sugary alcohol isn't it? Or is there a special one I can buy?

I would really like to know as I've been having my yoghurt with berries and will have to give them up now.

WineGless Mon 08-Oct-12 06:19:30

Weighed in and lost 3lbs yippee!

Willie can you check spreadsheet as it doesn't look quite right plus I put my start weight for last week as 179 which has disappeared?

Good luck to those weighing in this morning

LRD vanilla extract is for those who can't manage Greek yoghurt on its own just to give it a bitof flavour. However the advice is to find an unsweetened version. Bootcamp is usually for two weeks just to kick start you and ditch the addiction to sugary stuff

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 06:25:08

Good morning losers.

Well done butterflies and WineGless!

Welcome LRD I'll try and add you to the spreadsheet.

Weighed in: 163.4 - down over 4lbs this week smile

Was back up to a shocking - for me - 12st 5 two weeks ago so downwards and onwards.

Thank you BIWI

wine - thank you. I thought it sounded too good to be true! grin

I was hoping but I have got my yoghurt with cinnamon instead.

caramel - thanks very much.

Congratulations both of you, you must feel amazing! smile

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 06:31:42

LRD I've added your name and weight however it is not in alphabetical order; you are just under ZZzenAgain.

Thank you!

sybilfaulty Mon 08-Oct-12 06:44:32

Hi folks

Well done to all the losers. I haven't weighed as I woke up and dranki a pint of water without thinking before I got out of bed, so that might skew things. I'll weigh tomorrow.

Have a good day everyone.

MmeLindor Mon 08-Oct-12 06:45:02

Well done on the weight loss, everyone. <shakes pompoms>

I am using DH's scales, which I suspect may be slightly different to mine, but have recorded my weight - 3lbs down. It would have been more without the airport misstep yesterday, but I am happy with that to start with.

Had omelette with salmon this morning, but need to go shopping cause we have no veg.

Lunch will be Nürnberger Sausages, with some kind of veg. Will have a rake in the freezer to see what we will have for dinner.

Hurrah 3lbs down - and a relief after the late start for me getting going properly. Meals planned for this week so feeling confident for a land slide loss (hmmmm!)

AngieAir Mon 08-Oct-12 06:56:14

Only half a pound down but better than a gain. Have been awake half the night with filthy cold. Might try fasting til dinner (soup) to make up for all the tea+milk I'll be drinking. I can only manage max 2 coffee+creamer day sadly.

hurricanewyn Mon 08-Oct-12 06:57:26

I've weighed this morning & I'm 191!! I can't update the spreadsheet on my phone - would someone mind doing it for me? thanks

I am so pleased though - good luck to everyone else & well done those who have weighed already! smile

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 06:59:46

Im up by 2lb's sad
So last week I lost 3lbs altogether..

However my face seems slimer

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 07:02:57

hurrican I added your 191. Well done.

butterfly you have lost 3lbs. Well done.

Also MMeL, Angie and MrsHP smile

DIYapprentice Mon 08-Oct-12 07:04:44

I'm a LO-SER!!!! <waves pom poms>

4 pounds down. Not too bad given that I've felt really ill, and haven't done much of anything. (have updated.)

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 07:07:09

Well done DIY

Does it feel strange to anyway else, losing weight whilst eating so much? hmmsmile

Ilovemyteddy Mon 08-Oct-12 07:10:28

Well done to all the losers.

I'm a pound up. Will eat more and exercise less

Pufflemum Mon 08-Oct-12 07:15:03

Morning all, I have lost 4lb. Am happy with this as I did fail and have wine this weekend ( had to celebrate a birthday). However I no longer crave sweet things and had no desire to eat the fries and crisps friends ordered whilst we were out together. So all in all a good week. Now if I can loose another 4 lb this week I'll be v v happy.

What is classed as low carb I'm at 14gramsof carbs a day ? Or most of you going for no carbs

DIYapprentice Mon 08-Oct-12 07:25:34

Caramel Even odder when you look for happen to see the calories, and it would be a rather naughty number if you were counting calories!

I've been craving something crunchy, like crisps. I've asked a friend who runs a shop to pick me up some pork scratchings from the cash and carry next time she goes as none of the shops here stock them. Then when the DSs have some crisps I can have some of them and not feel completely left out.

I've wanted other sweet things, but more our of habit than any real cravings. How long does it take to break a habit???!!!

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 07:27:58

Ok, just reweighed myself after having gone to the loo ahem
And I'm 9'10, have lost 6lbs last week!!

Whoo hoo!


CakeMeIAmYours Mon 08-Oct-12 07:34:45

<<slinks sheepishly back into thread with tail between legs>>

Point taken re posting about cheating BIWI, if it makes matters any better, in really didn't enjoy it...I had a massive sugar rush and felt horrible for a couple of hours afterwards.

Oh, and no sooner had I put my fork down, the postman delivered me my box of ketostix, just to rub it in, eh?

Anyway, have weighed in this morning and am still 7lbs down on last Monday (have put 2 on since Friday though).

I'm really chuffed, but feel that I somehow don't deserve it IYSWIM?

Feeling really positive for this week, have found lots of lovely lo carb recipes and have fridge full of goodies so onwards and downwards.

Well done to all the losers and maintainers, and I'm sorry I thoughtlessly posted about cheating.

ABitWoozy Mon 08-Oct-12 07:55:27

Have cheated horrifically last week, I'm blaming the hormones blush so I'm actually up 1lb.

Fresh start today though, onwards and downwards!

Jacaqueen Mon 08-Oct-12 08:09:36

Just quickly updating.

I lost 2lbs which I will gladly take.

Bit disappointed in myself because I was more Bootcamp light and I really wanted to stick to it properly.

ForSaletotheHighestBidder Mon 08-Oct-12 08:12:53

3lb down. smile
I'd say its actually more but had a lot of wine on Sat night and am also due my period any moment so that usually pushes my weight up a little bit. So really I lost about 7lb wink!

Well done everyone who has had a successful first week!

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 08:14:40

Morning losers!

3.25lbs down for me. Hurrah! <shakes pom poms as well>

Cake - It's a pretty steep learning curve, this WOE. But that is a fantastic loss, especially given the cheat grin

TheHumancatapult - I thought I'd already answered this question for you? This is * definitely not* a no carb WOE but a low carb way of eating - and I would say that 14g carbs per day is WAY TOO LOW. If you were doing Atkins induction, generally regarded as the strictest phase of low carbing, then you would be eating 20g carbs per day. Please can you tell me what you're eating on a daily basis, as it sounds like you're not eating too much or, at the very least, not eating a sufficiently healthy diet.

Mme - always best to use the same scales - just be prepared (especially if you're not sticking to the plan) for your own scales to give you bad news when you get home. (Hopefully they won't, but ....!)

butterfly - you have lost 3lbs! That is fantastic! Imagine looking at 6 packs of lard. That's the amount you have lost!

Angie hope you're feeling better soon. There's a lot of something around at the moment

LRD Welcome! Glad to see you're doing 6 of the rules - which of the others aren't you doing though? It is important that you follow all of them. Low carbing isn't an especially forgiving WOE (way of eating).

WineGless I'm especially pleased for you, given the awful week you have had [thanks)

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 08:17:27

Oh, and LRD, Waitrose sell a Vanilla Extract which is sugar-free

halfthesize Mon 08-Oct-12 08:17:34

Good morning fellow loosers and well done everyone.

I am down 4lbs grin

Just caught up on thread from yesterday and sorry to hear people are still feeling roughsad BIWI I think it is part of the bug as I seemed to have had same toilet issues even though feeling alot better.

Good luck everyone with your weigh inssmile

EwanHoozami Mon 08-Oct-12 08:18:55

3lb down smile

That's OK for week 7 I think. I might try a low-dairy week this week.

I now have a drawer full of size 16 jeans that keep falling down.

Cake what lovely recipes have you found? I need inspiration!

Humancatapult I can't speak for everyone but I'm aiming for 20g or less of carbs with the majority coming from leafy veg.

Ty Ewan

So at 14grams within ok limits not joined as not doing it same as you ladies as I'm low carbing and counting calories but as of today I have lost 66lbs in 3 monthd and don't miss the carbs any more

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 08:31:04

THC - please can you tell us what you're eating? And why are you counting calories?!

Hi BIWI. smile

I meant I was doing 6 (ish) of the rules up to now - I am planning to follow all of them from now on. Previously I've been eating berries, a bit of sugar, a bit of milk in coffee and cheese, and not drinking enough water. However, I have had black coffee this morning (yuck! Hope I get used this this - it's like drinking engine oil!), and I am sitting with a big bottle of water beside me.

Thank you so much for the tip on vanilla extract - I will go look it out, I could really use something to put in the yoghurt.

It's really good reading everyone's achievements. smile

Broomstick I'm aiming for 1000-1200 calories a day but not doing same as you ladies so not joined the thread officially but was curious on the carbs and sorry if you answered as I missed it blush. Mines differ t to others as in full time wheelchair user who uses a power chair outside the house si not very active once out the door . Am doing it under dietcisn at spinal hospital

I'm eating lot of protein chicken /turkey as I need to allow for the fact that I'm prone to skin breakdown and can not risk a pressure sore and protein is best defence

But admit mine is specific to me is not recconemded for others

SkaffenAmtiskaw Mon 08-Oct-12 08:32:40

Good morning everyone!

I am very pleased to report that I've lost 5lbs smile

But low carbs defintley makes me feel better and less bloated

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 08:34:58

Ah. Understood, THC. Bloody well done on your progress to date smile

Brilliant, Skaffen!

LRD - can you drink coffee with cream? I don't especially like it, but it's infinitely preferable to black coffee which is like engine oil! Please knock the sugar on the head. That's the worst thing you could be eating.

Pippa1964 Mon 08-Oct-12 08:37:13

morning everyone, after a slow start ( didn't really get my head round it all until about Friday) I am down 2.5 lbs so really pleased about that. Do people tend to weigh themselves daily? just wondering. Bacon and egg this morning - must make sure to have enough fibre - any suggestions welcome. Also anyone have a recipie for almond based pancakes?

Netguru Mon 08-Oct-12 08:42:47

2.5 lbs down here. Good start to the week but bad weekend.

I can't stand coffee and cream, unfortunately. I'll see how I go with that, may have to introduce a splash of milk. The sugar so far has been in stuff like the vanilla, bit of ketchup, but I am working out how to knock it on the head.

MmeLindor Mon 08-Oct-12 08:48:39

I am on plan again, BIWI. Yesterday was merely an airport induced blip.

Trying to persuade DH to low carb with me the next two weeks while I am here, but he is so stuck on his bread roll in the morning. Might try him with yoghurt in the morning. Would be a lot easier if he were doing it with me.

Still got the visit to his parents to navigate, and a whole day at a trade fair on Friday. Not sure what I will do there.

btw, I was laughing at the 'customers who viewed this item' on my book being this product. Seems they are not lying when they say that. smile

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 08:49:42

LRD - it it's any consolation, I'm exactly the same. I haven't stopped drinking coffee with milk, but I limit myself to three cups a day.

Pippa - whether or not you weigh daily is up to you - I posted about it somewhere earlier - if you do weigh daily you need to be prepared for the fact that your weight fluctuates naturally, so even when you know you've stuck to the diet it's possible to see the scales show an increase. If you can cope with that, psychologically, then go for it. Otherwise, if an increase is likely to see you going 'fuck it' and diving into the biscuit tin, stick to once a week weighing.

You will be getting enough fibre if you make sure that you are getting your carbs from vegetables and salad. If your concern is constipation, you need not worry. If you eat enough fat and drink enough water, it shouldn't be a problem. Somewhere on these threads is a recipe for almond pancakes - have you checked out the recipe thread?

cathyandclaire Mon 08-Oct-12 08:53:48

2lb down here! Really pleased as am getting nearer target and had got a bit stuck before boot camp --eating loads of dark chocolate washed down with red wine--great to see the scales moving in the right direction again...well done all you losers! Bacon and mushrooms, coffee with lacto free milk for me ( I can't hack it black, I'd rather drink engine oil!!)

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 08:54:18

grin @ Mme!

hurricanewyn Mon 08-Oct-12 08:56:47

Mme - that's hilarious grin

catstail Mon 08-Oct-12 08:57:12

well considering i am a slacker (oh dear, a magnum was calling me yesterday evening blushblush) I am very pleased with my 2lb down. I am pretty good in the day, its just the evenings where I struggle to stay on the straight and narrow.

Themumsnot Mon 08-Oct-12 08:58:38

Morning all! I've lost 4lbs, very pleased, in spite of the two glasses of wine last night. This week I'm going to focus on increasing the water and veg even more - I was drinking a lot more water than I usually do this week but still not the full 3l. And I am great on veg at dinner time but not so much at lunch. I miss apples and berries. But I don't miss grain-based carbs nearly as much as I thought I would and it feels like I could sustain this way of eating for a very long time once I can add in a bit of fruit and some wine at weekends.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:00:23

catstail - if you Google 'how many carbs in a Magnum' this is what you get:

Food Item: Magnum
Food Quantity: 1 Magnum
Carbs: 25g
Dietary Fiber: 0g
Net Carbs: 25g

Magnum Ice Cream and Diet

Not permitted on low carb diets, ice creams (like Magnum Ice Cream) are typically high calorie foods with no dietary fiber and not much nutrition. Very roughly, water accounts for about 60 percent of ice cream weight, protein about 4 percent, fat about 10 percent and carbohydrate (mostly sugar) about 25 percent. Because sugar is one of the major ingredients, ice cream can be high on the Glycemic Index, which means it can cause a rapid rise in blood-glucose levels, leading to excessive insulin production and a sudden drop in blood sugar. Other ice creams can be high in fats, including saturated fat. Bottom line: whether or not you are into low carb dieting, if you want to lose weight, manage your blood sugar levels and stay healthy, keep your intake of ice-cream and other sugary-carb foods to a minimum.

Honestly - don't do it to yourself! You may have got away with it this week, but you certainly won't lose weight if you carry on with the self-sabotage.

Ultimately it's up to you. If you want to lose weight ... grin

StrangeGlue Mon 08-Oct-12 09:02:15

4lbs 2oz lost but I was starting from an over eating week so I think its probably really 2-3lbs actual weight loss.

My belt is a notch tighter though smile

JessicaWakefield Mon 08-Oct-12 09:03:48

Good morning. I'm 2.5 pounds down which I'm so pleased about as pre-bootcamp I had stalled for weeks and weeks. Good result and to celebrate I put on my "too small" skinny jeans which in reality are fine even at a higher weight but today's weigh in has given me the confidence to wear them. Have a good day everyone and congratulations on the fantastic losses posted this morning.

Thanks BIWI, good to know.

Btw, my account of what I have been doing is, erm, ideal, rather than what I've been living up to, so I am hoping posting on here will increase my motivation both to set slightly stricter goals and to live up to them! grin

I think I know the answer to this, but you know that Natureo de-alcoholized wine from Waitrose? It says it is 4g of carbs per 100ml, but is it sugar, basically? Or could I have the occasional weekend glass?

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:07:48

Well, it's better than alcohol-filled wine (Oh my God - did I actually just type that?! hmm), but it's still a lot of carbs, given that you will probably drink considerably more than 100ml! Better to drink water and wait until Bootcamp is finished - and then drink the real stuff!

Jessica well done! It's a great feeling, isn't it, when you fit into your skinny clothes grin

Ok, thank you. smile

JessicaWakefield Mon 08-Oct-12 09:11:14

Thank you BIWI!

Livelongandprosper Mon 08-Oct-12 09:11:31

Yay, 4lbs down! smile

Livelongandprosper Mon 08-Oct-12 09:14:14

BIWI thanks

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:16:09

Bloody hell, Livelong - you'll be disappearing soon!

dotty2 Mon 08-Oct-12 09:24:19

No weight loss over the weekend in spite of offending MIL by refusing cake yesterday. But 5lbs altogether so am pretty chuffed. And I am constipated, maybe there will be more weight loss once that passes (ahem). Thanks to BIWI and everyone else for the great support. Having the loo decorated today (and only have one) so think my water consumption may go down!

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:25:30

5lbs is brilliant, dotty! Very well done.

Collywibbles Mon 08-Oct-12 09:32:35

Morning all!

Some fantastic weight losses here - well done peeps.

I have lost 2lbs - have I finally started moving again after my 5 week plateau?! Also lost inches which is good. 9 various exercise sessions last week plus walk / runs with the dogs. I feel so much healthier which is is great - love this WOE. Huge thanks to BIWI and everyone else who posts such motivational information / recipes.

Right off to Ab Attack - new week - more great classes!

Just added a GAIN to the s/s.

Had a terrible week last week - was working away everyday & then had a weekend away with DH. I think maybe the 10k walk we did on Saturday helped to limit the gain blush. I didn't really overeat, just ate the wrong things.

Oh well, onwards & downwards. I'll count this as my week 1 of bootcamp.

Well done to all the losers!

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:38:56

Fab, Colly! Sometimes all we need <voice of bitter experience> is a harsh, swift kick up the arse grin

I'm very hopeful that soon I will reach my very first target of 9 stone 5 and a half, and then I will have lost 2 stones.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:39:41

Never mind, HavingAnOffDay - back on the wagon today. Next week you'll be a loser.

Morning [grin

Added my weight to the spreadsheet... I think ive figured it out at aroun 3 lb down.. I had hope for more, must drink more!

B- leftover broccoli cheese :/
Lunch and dinner undecided but will fill you in later! Ill also catch up a bit more later! X

dotty2 Mon 08-Oct-12 09:42:01

havinganoffday - what goes up can always come down. The 5lb I have lost is the weight I had put on due to silly eating over the last few weeks so am back where I started. Good luck for this week.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:43:38

Princess - 3lbs is brilliant! Especially as you've been doing this for a while - any more than 1-2lbs a week is fabulous.

cartblanche Mon 08-Oct-12 09:47:36

6.5 pounds off, well pleased! I gained 6 pounds the previous week as I'd been away for the weekend and hoped that I'd lose most of that in a week. I have lapsed quite a bit so am hoping to be stricter this week. Goal for this week is 2.5 pounds off. I tend to lose quite impressively in the first 2 weeks and then lose my momentum when the weight loss slows down. Not this time! Thanks BIWI for this perfectly-timed bootcamp smile

frumpet Mon 08-Oct-12 09:47:40

3llbs off , really quite pleased , especially given the cheating (alcohol) that occured at the weekend !

Can i just ask , if like me you have a lot of weight to lose , is it ok to continue on bootcamp for longer or should you go to bootcamp light ?

Liveinthepresent Mon 08-Oct-12 09:52:01

Well I am surprised and pleased to report am down 5lbs today.

I stood on the scales 3 times before accepting this weight - as have definitely not been perfect and Spent yesterday convinced my jeans were tighter than last week.
I do think this loss is probably exaggerated by having over eaten the week before but nonetheless it's definitely a loss and has motivated me to give week 2 of Bootcamp my all.
Thanks to BIWI and well done to all the losers!

MsRinky Mon 08-Oct-12 09:53:39

Only 1.5lbs off for me, but knew I had not been as hardcore as intended.

Have planned all meals for this week and will shop tonight. Thursday will be a challenge - friend's is hosting her birthday dinner. She is veggie and a carb fiend, so will be dishing up bread followed by either pasta or risotto, pudding and gallons of wine. She is also incredibly sensitive about food issues, so I will just have a nice filling lunch and then eat as little as possible without drawing attention to it. And I have made my meals for the rest of the week very clean and light and will be avoiding my beloved cheese.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:56:10

frumpet - it's entirely up to you. If you are happy on Bootcamp, and it's easy for you, then you can carry on with it - just, please, make sure that the majority of your carbs are coming from veg/salad.

You could do a sort of hybrid, if it fits with your lifestyle better, i.e. Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

Liveinthepresent - brilliant grin

Thank you BIWI smile

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 09:57:34

MsRinky - I know it's difficult in social situations like this, but if your friend is sensitive to her food issues, do you not think she might be open to sensitivity to yours? Can you have a quiet word with her in advance and ask for, at least, a salad for you or something? Doesn't have to be a massive, bloody steak, which I could see might offend her!

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 10:00:35

Stayed the same. No problem. Diet is good but health not so great at the moment and I haven't got a lot to lose anyway.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 10:07:33

Sorry to hear that, Jins

MsRinky Mon 08-Oct-12 10:16:46

I can see where you're coming from BIWI, and if it was anyone else I would do what you're suggesting, but I know from past experience that this particular friend will not respond well and it will then spoil her night and everyone else's by extension. And despite her being a bit of a nightmare on the food issues front, she's a lovely woman who has had a rough time recently and I want her to have a fun evening.

I'm in this for the long haul, and for me, having one meal off piste out of the 21 meals I'll be having this week and accepting that it will have consequences is okay. And afterThursday I have a clear run until November 30th in terms of social stuff.

havent weighted yet - but when I next crawl upstairs I will do. I have been very good apart from the weekend, flat on back and had to eat what was provided for me! DH was very good but bought cake and so did my best friend, of course I ate it as I was doped on pain meds and would have eaten anything provided.

Ive had a banana for breakfast this morning - which isnt on bootcamp, but I cant stand long enough to cook eggs and cant really bend to raid the fridge for cheese/meat. sad

weighed...ffs, may have to remove laptop from myself...

Viperidae Mon 08-Oct-12 10:25:36

Lost 6lb. Will stick to bootcamp until Fri night but have an event then that will not be low carb so will go "off-piste" for that then back on Sat am and just have to see how it affects weight loss.

I don't know what Bootcamp Light entails when people are asking about it. Can someone explain please?

bucksmum Mon 08-Oct-12 10:33:45

Lost 11lbsgrin. So that's all good. Now off to stock up on rations for the week. Going to introduce some exercise this week for the first time in a decade!

NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 10:34:50

I had a shock when i stood on the scales. I have lost 8kg! shock I had to weigh 3 times to be sure. I have nearly lost the entirity of my first target in the first week and I have been naughty blush Not translated into change of size much yet but hoping that will come. Will now hop over to the spreadsheet of wonder and work out the loss in poundage. I can't believe I am down to 72kg <does a little happy dance>

vnmum Mon 08-Oct-12 10:43:07

4.5 lb off for me this week. Now 9st 9.5lb. [Grin] thats the best loss i've had in a long time.

viperidae i have tried that carbnite on reccomendation from my trainer. I did it for a few weeks and it did break my plateau but in my opinion, still wasn't worth it. You have to eat alot of grams of carbs on the night and it invariably means you binge on all the stuff you have missed like cake, ice cream, cookies, pasta etc. I felt awful afterwards, hot sweats etc, then ideally you need to do some HIIT work fasted the next day to empty the glycogen. The first night was a good novelty but after about 3 times it got harder to eat enough carbs and i just felt crap from it. Plus it set off cravings for all the sweet stuff that had previously gone away and you need a strong mind to not give in to the cravings during the rest of the week, plus i didn't see any difference in weightloss Or body fat from doing normal low carb.

I have entered my weight on the spreadsheet but nothing in the blue columns has changed. Have i done it wrong?

Well done to all the losers this week, onwards and downwards

vnmum Mon 08-Oct-12 10:44:33

Just rechecked spreadsheet and it has changed, so i'll shut up smile

cathyandclaire Mon 08-Oct-12 10:48:48

Wow NewStart that is amazing! More than a stone shock that must be surely be a record?!

Willowisp Mon 08-Oct-12 10:52:00

Morning all, been keeping a low profile, but still around.

Have made the decision earlier on the week to get some carbs in me as I have bowel issues, however, other than this, I've been having low carb lunches & dinner & feeling so much better for it - not actually craving or slumping like previously.

For me, having eased myself in the week before this started, I've realised what I need to do & have a fridge full of green veg (which I avoided mostly before, in favour of red/yellow/white veg)

So, no weight loss this week (also had my period) but no weight gain either.

Well done to all that have soldiered through & lost lb's smile

NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 10:54:29

tbf my pre boot camp diet was horrific and would leave poor BIWI twitching in the corner if she heard it. In short it was nutritionally devoid, and composed almost entirely of sugar or carbs. Veg and fruit were alien as was proper meals. And the ability to function came from caffine. I really really really do not recommend this unless you are intending an early grave...

I still have a lot of work to do to completely get my head around this woe but the benefits of the changes are being felt even if I overslept this morning. I feel rested when I wake up. I have energy that isn't caffine fueled. I am hoping that in another week or so I can ditch the caffine entirely!

MsRinky Mon 08-Oct-12 11:02:11

Um, NSSS, 8kg is 17.6 lbs. I don't want to spoil your happy dance, but a loss of 1 stone 3.6 pounds in a week you've been naughty and you can see no change in size is an awful lot more likely to be a reflection that your scales are knackered or you read your last week's weight wrong than actual weight loss. Sorry.

NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 11:12:49

Perhaps but they have done fat scans and they know that I don't store fat externally, i tend to store it more dangerously around my internal organs. I don't change in clothes size from 11 stone to 12 stone - only that they get a bit tighter. Got someone else to stand on the scales and they are measuring them the same as they did last week. What I hoping is happening is that
1. the half stone that I fluctuate every month normally has done its normal fluctuation.
2. I am losing fat from around my internal organs
3. I have been lucky with the small level cheating due to the high level training. A 2hour intensive training session has been calculated to burning about 1,000 cals. on average and I have done 6 plus hours of intensive this week. And that is not including all of the other training.
4. I have history of massive weight losses in the first week of this kind of diet. I did something similar last time I tried south beach nearly 10 years ago.

Also, I was very surprised at the loss tbh and suspect that any loss next week will be fairly insignificant in comparison. However, weight loss was not the main motivator for my choosing this diet. I needed off the sugar swing train. I needed to be force to see veg as food and I needed to get into the habit of eating properly. I also wanted more energy and better sleep. And this is where I am measuring my success. I don't feel like I have succeed this week because I have cheated, my will power is weak and I still crave sugar. Success will be when I can look at food normally. Plus the promise of nork shrinkage might have swung it for me. blush

LaVitaBellissima Mon 08-Oct-12 11:16:58

I am now 140.7lbs which is a 6.3lb loss shock could someone please update on the spreadsheet for me as I can't do it on my iPad?

This is my plateau weight though, I seem to gain and lose this same half a stone so am really geared up this week.

Yesterday I did slow roasted lamb shoulder with broccoli & cauliflower in a creamy cheesy sauce, it was delish!

I've been eating a lot of eggs and am not missing sugar in my tea at all, brilliant!

small alcohol & mini pack of choc button cheat on the weekend but we won't mention that

Bills has just opened in Richmond too, I thought the chain is linked to Bill Granger?

LaVitaBellissima Mon 08-Oct-12 11:18:54

Newstart & Bucksmum brilliant work! smile

Jacaqueen Mon 08-Oct-12 11:24:36

Wow some of the losses on here are amazing.

Newstart and Bucksmum that is incredible.

Viperidae Mon 08-Oct-12 11:25:37

Thanks vnmum, appreciate the reply.

I think I was wondering about if this justified a planned night off here and there, which could be used around social life, and hadn't appreciated just how many carbs they were expecting you to eat. HIIT is certainly still beyond my level of fitness (or should I say unfitness!)

NigellasGuest Mon 08-Oct-12 11:39:32

just recorded my weight - i'm down 1lb.

vnmum Mon 08-Oct-12 11:41:14

Update on the job front for those who advised me. I have an interview tomorrow afternoon smile (shame there isn't a nervous emoticon)

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 12:02:32

Do not open the following link if you are eating (it is very illustrative) however this is how slimmer we are getting - 5lbs fat

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 12:02:52

Good luck vnmum

Good luck * vnmum* will be thinking of you smile

Lunch will be scrambled eggs!
Dinner will be a shepherds pie (without the mash) and savoy cabbage, mange tout and some spinach and mushroom!

What a miserable day it is here today sad

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 12:08:21

Breakfast was boiled egg (followed by pork scratchings) Oh blush Am on the run today that's my excuse and now to the gym.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 12:09:15

Wow, NewStart! But more importantly, I'm so glad that this WOE is helping you to re-evaluate your relationship with food. It makes me very angry when people talk about low carb being a fad diet. I would be prepared to lay money on the fact that most people eating the low carb way are eating a better diet than those whose diet is full of carbs.

Jax - don't stress about things at the moment. Just concentrate on getting well thanks

Viperidae - Bootcamp Light is a little more relaxed, and allows you to introduce nuts/seeds and some fruit if you wish (berries).

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 12:10:11

Good news, vnmum!

JessicaWakefield Mon 08-Oct-12 12:10:17

Very best of luck Vnmum!

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 12:12:08

"I would be prepared to lay money on the fact that most people eating the low carb way are eating a better diet than those whose diet is full of carbs."

Ahem - just ignore what I wrote about pork scratchings BIWI grin

Fruit and nuts? YES! Holland and Barrett here I come.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 12:13:38

Well, caramel, what's wrong with pork scratchings? I'm assuming you made your own, of course ..... grin

CackleMeIAmYours Mon 08-Oct-12 12:14:03

Good Luck Vnmum

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 12:14:42

Yes no blush

NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 12:18:53

Biwi - I'd be inclined to agree. I used carbs as an excuse not to eat fruit and veg.

I think was what has been noticable is that people have commented on the fact that I am starting to look healthier.

Feeling really sluggish today. I fear the years of abusing caffine to overcome lack of sleep is beginning to catch up with me. All I want to do is curl up in the corner and sleep.

Am I being stupid? How can you lose over a stone?!

You can't, surely?

I'm amazed enough at the weight losses mentioned throughout this thread, but a stone?! confused


JessicaWakefield Mon 08-Oct-12 12:20:42

I've just finished reading this book - Trick and Treat by Barry Groves. I think that the byline of the title says it all "How healthy eating is making us ill". It really implodes the high carb, low fat dogma (as though anyone on this thread needed telling!) and also goes into the biochemistry and scientific rationale of why low carb, high fat is the best way to eat to stay healthy and to keep weight under control. Definitely worth a look if anyone's looking to do more reading around the subject.


NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 12:23:53

LRD just been speaking to my coach.
Last week I burnt best part of 4000 calories due to various training, possible more.
I consumed about half of the calories I would have done pre bootcamp yes i used to use training as an excuse to eat half my own body weight in sugary rubbish afterwards
AND the food I ate had nutritional value. A lot of nutritional value.

They are not surprised and think this is the way to continue for me. Doesn't suit all but it suits me. And will hopefully improve my performance and reduce injury long term.


Does it feel odd?

I think I would feel really strange if I lost that much at once - I never seem to lose more than a pound or two. And it's quite easy for me to do 4000 cals of exercise in a week, if my fitness pal makes sense. I assume it must be all the different things working together.

I'd feel like I'd lopped off a limp! (Or my arse! grin)

*limb, not limp. blush

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 12:28:20

Back in the day when I ran something similar to bootcamp I recorded initial weightlosses of 1st+ each time from one or two people. They were in the main in the 30+ BMI bracket and were going from an extremely carb heavy diet to strict Atkins induction.

I would say that a lot of it was likely to be water weight because all of the people concerned reported having to get up in the night more than once. Not all of it will be though.

It's definitely possible - I've seen it happen before and what a wonderful start to a weight loss plan! grin

NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 12:37:24

I think Jins has hit the nail on the head. I think that my extremely bad pre-bootcamp diet is what has enabled this. I can pm you a typical good and a typical bad day. Won't post here as it wouldn't be fair to those who are trying to not cheat. It was truely truely horrific. And literally virtually 100% carbs.

I don't feel different other then other changes. No loss of limb etc. But all my muscles are achy. Today is a rest day. I am going to end up having done an hour of physio rehab stuff plus 1-2hrs stretching. I need to up my salt/mineral intake as i have cramp in some of my muscles.

NigellasGuest Mon 08-Oct-12 12:41:29

vnmum congrats on getting the interview. And good luck!

MmeLindor Mon 08-Oct-12 12:45:44

I will admit that I thought you had meant 8lbs rather than 8kgs, but if your trainer says that it is not unusual, then I will bow to his (her?) knowledge.

Good luck with the interview.

I have just been to local farmer's market and bought loads of delicious veg and salads. And a yummy salami - I know we shouldn't be eating processed food, but it doesn't have a lot of additives, and will be great for snacking. Do you think it will be ok, BIWI?

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 12:52:26

Oh dear. I've been living on salami/parma ham the first week. Lamb steaks week two instead I think.

tartiflette Mon 08-Oct-12 12:57:34

Well done all you losers smile

I've stayed the same this week, which is fine, for similar reasons to Jins.

This week is clear in terms of socialising so I am hoping for a modest whoosh next week... Have made the emmenthal lasagne for tonight and stuck one in the freezer, it looks absolutely delicious.
Well done to those avoiding cheese. I would fine that very tough but might have to resort to it for the last few pounds. Hope not!

wow newstart!

while some of it may well be fluid/depleting glycogen stores that's still fab and very encouraging for you!

WineGless Mon 08-Oct-12 13:18:45

Well done everyone for the losses however big or small. Those of us who have been low carbing for a while the 1 or 2lb losses might not seem much compared to the whooshes of those starting out. However slow and steady wins the race!

Newstart - I have food issues too although mine is more about emotional eating. Well done for tackling yours and hopefully this is the first step on a better journey for you.

Jins Jax and tartiflette - hope you all feel better soon.

Vnmum - good luck for the interview tomorrow. You'll wow them, I'm sure.
Do you need to sort out clothes to wear for it? Get them ready now whilst DC at school.

Am thinking of what to eat for tea - off to recipe thread for some ideas.
I made spinach and paneer curry the other night - was yum. I must finish off the LC recipe transfer later too

Collywibbles Mon 08-Oct-12 13:19:23

Sigh. We had a lovely roast beef last night (with buttery cauli mash & broccoli) and there was loads of lovely rare beef left over - which I planned to have for my lunch with a salad. But no, my husband has obviously taken it upon himself to take it in to work for his lunch! Now obviously I applaud his money-saving thriftiness but it was MINE! Had tuna and mayo salad instead ....

Fab Ab Attack class this morning and then took the hounds for a walk / run for 50 mins - and I ran more than I walked. This exercise lark is addictive smile

re low carb being a fad diet (brace yourselves for self-indulgence of the worst kind)

i had seriously disordered eating for about ten years, and it is only since i starting low carbing that i have actually managed to change my eating behaviour properly. i am still working on the psychological side, but on a behavioural basis i have been 'normal' for nearly 8 months

i haven't admitted this on here before, but actually started 'low-carbing' (with a bmi of over 40, up from a bmi of about 15 nearly 8 years ago) in early 2011, and within a year had almost got myself to an 'overweight' bmi. but i had been doing my own sort of plan which involved low fat and low cal, as well as low carb (and included things like milk, oat bran, carrots, occasional sweet treats, A LOT of coffee etc), so i was pretty miserable and i did still relapse into bingeing and/or starving and i could see myself at risk of undoing my good work.

it was only when i discovered and lurked on the pre-bootcamp low carbing threads on here in early 2012 that i realised what i had been doing wrong with respect to fats and low carb foods. since 16th feb 2012 i haven't looked back and it has literally changed my life.

anyway, all that blethering on was to make the point that, while i am aware that some might argue that i have transferred from one disordered eating regime to another (i.e. 'demonising' carbs), i don't know how anyone could suggest that my diet now could possibly be considered 'faddy' when it contains such a wide variety of fresh foods, eaten regularly and in normal quantities, and makes me feel so bloody good and positive about life. i have managed to, for the most part, separate emotions from food which is nothing short of miraculous

and anyone who says 'just eat less and do more' when you're dealing with that level of disordered eating is an idiot. we are talking about something that would have killed me, either through overeating or starvation.

i'm not saying that low-carbing is the one and only cure (I definitely still need help with the mental health side, and that is ongoing), nor is it the best thing for everyone, i'm sure, but it really is one of the best things that has happened to me and i have all you chaps and the low carbers on previous threads (especially biwi) to thank for the support and advice (even when you didn't know you were giving it... i lurked for AGES on those threads). it has given me the hope that i can have a normal relationship with food in the future, and i honestly never thought i would

halfthesize Mon 08-Oct-12 13:38:43

Afternnon all and well done on some great losses.grin

Congrats and good luck vnmum re the interview.

Just had lunch of bacon and eggs, no breakfast as was up early to do the school runs and straight to the gym. Whilst DH slept off his hangover!!! Good job he is not starting work till late today!

Pippa1964 Mon 08-Oct-12 13:45:31

Waggledagger - same here - so good to hear someone say what i have been feeling. Sounds like you have done so well and totally agree about it being easier to cope with disordered eating while low carbing as it cuts out all those blood sugar swings. Am in the process of getting some help but feel so much more stable when I cut the carbs right down.

JessicaWakefield Mon 08-Oct-12 13:46:42

Willie what a powerful post. Well done on your journey, it must have taken great courage, your story is inspirational thanks

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 13:49:25

Fabulous post WilliwWaggledagger. I'm so far along my low carb journey that sometimes I need reminding that my previous relationship with food was miserable.

I would say though that anyone who says 'just eat less and do more' is an idiot whether they are talking about disordered eating or not. We are NOT bomb calorimeters and we do not work like one. The calories in/calories out equation is definitely flawed and I hope that one day it will be proven to be flawed.

Eat less move more is lazy, thoughtless, stupid advice and a little part of me hopes that the smug people who come out with it end up with complex obesity issues one day.

And relax grin

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 13:49:55

<wells up>

Brilliant post, Willie thanks

Everywhere i look is adverts for chocolate! On the tv, the pc... In the shops its allll on the end of the aisles! Grrr its not fair!

Also up until today i have still been drinking the odd pepsi :/ i think thats what was guving me a dodgy tum and hampering the weight loss too! Also i have been wide awake most of the night blush

wille.. Excellent post there!

wine you do speak words of wisdom smile

god i was so worried about posting that, thought you might all <vom>!

you're absolutely right of course jins re 'eat less, move more'

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 13:57:07

My new reply to that is to ask them if their car goes further with less fuel

WineGless Mon 08-Oct-12 13:59:47

Willie, am welling up here too.
Thank you for sharing your story and hope that someone else who reads it will be inspired to join us on our journey

frumpet Mon 08-Oct-12 14:02:47

I can't see how low carbing can be bad , given that pre low carbing most of my carbs were things like bread , potatoes and rice /pasta , none of which was wholemeal . Or those evil sugary carbs wink

Can i ask is anyone taking any supplements ? i went out and bought all the ones suggested in the IPD , which cost me a small fortune and then didnt start the diet . They are still hiding in the wardrobe , must go and peel all the price tags off before getting them out !

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 14:05:11

I take Berocca - just as a general multivitamin really. Also a good way to get my first half litre of water down! And a calcium/vitamin D/magnesium supplement (a Boots one) - mainly for menopause but also as there's an increasing amount of stuff about the importance of vitamin D for lng term health.

halfthesize Mon 08-Oct-12 14:05:17

Willie what a fantastic post thanks thanks for sharing it with us x

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 14:12:15

Vitamin B and Calcium/Magnesium here too. Pesky menopause

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 14:13:38

<crosses fingers>

I seem to be through the menopause without too much trouble. Hot flushes have all but disappeared, skin is much better. Low carbing definitely helps, hopefully the supplements have as well. I was taking Boots Menolieve but gave that up a month or so ago.

hurricanewyn Mon 08-Oct-12 14:15:24

Thank you for sharing your story willie thanks

tbh i've been feeling a bad that i haven't been entirely honest until now, especially when others have said that they feel they weigh a lot more than others on here and have felt a bit demoralised.

IME, whatever your weight, if you can get over the initial big hurdle of the first few days and into the swing of it and follow the rules, low carbing is your best bet for getting yourself to the weight you want and staying there (ignoring the positive health aspects low-carbing)

frumpet i hadn't been taking anything but am now taking a multi-vitamin, but i'm not sure whether it will make much difference to me

princess it's awful isn't it, you really notice the volume of marketing of crap on this woe

NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 14:17:40

Calcium (with D and K), Multi vitamin, and B vitamins suppliments. But I have nutritional deficiency issues.

frumpet Mon 08-Oct-12 14:17:48

Right will have a good rummage and see whats in the bag , think will take the vit b and the herbal one that helps your liver , given that i have now given up the demon drink ! If there is anything else i am not taking , will list on here and anyone who wants it can have it .

frumpet Mon 08-Oct-12 14:29:29

ok i have :

whole psyllium husks - for helping with the old bowel movements

time release low acid vitamin c 1000

bio fish oil capsules 1000mg

chromium 200

am keeping the other stuff . They are all in date and sealed containers . If anyone wants any of them , just pm me your address and i will send them.

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 14:31:39

Keep the psyllium and vitamin C in case you run into constipation issues.

Vit C in big doses is a very effective laxative

frumpet Mon 08-Oct-12 14:33:35

Jins i am blessed where my bowels are concerned , i only bought them because they were on the list !

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 14:36:05

You lucky thing. My bowels are a nightmare. Recently more so than usual but rest assured it's not dietary in case anyone is concerned about the long term effects of low carbing

(it's gravity, menopause and age sad )

frumpet Mon 08-Oct-12 14:38:53

Do you want the pysillium Jins ? i dont want any money for them ? The man in the shop said they were excellent .

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 14:41:10

Thanks frumpet but I'm on a low fibre diet and a cocktail of drugs at the moment while I await surgery

frumpet Mon 08-Oct-12 14:42:44

Fairy snuff smile , hope all goes well for you Jins .

Jins Mon 08-Oct-12 14:43:55

Thanks. I've got my fingers crossed too

CackleMeIAmYours Mon 08-Oct-12 15:00:17

Oh Willie Here, have a very big and unmumsnetty hug from me smile

Doshusallie Mon 08-Oct-12 15:12:06

Wow to all the big losses, well bloody done everybody!!

Good luck VNMum for tomorrow!

Willie - thanks for sharing all that, very brave of you, big hugs.

Like Sybil, I had necked a pint of water when I woke up having overslept, so will weigh tomorrow, am expecting to be a pound up, back to the damn 9 3.

B: Greek yoghurt, DTWLFM, Berocca
L: salad, olives, tuna, 2 boiled eggs, roasted veg, slices of ham, mayo

2 litres of water so far, 2 decaf coffees.

Ran 3 miles at the gym this morning.

Anyone else do Pilates? Am going to try a class tomorrow night.

queribus Mon 08-Oct-12 15:26:50

Oh bloody hell. Had a rubbish week and I've put on weight. Only myself to blame but feel very down now.

Prawn stir fry for dinner and an early night.

hi all, just woke up from my drug induced nap. Weighed earlier and it says I have lost 1lb. oh well, better off than on.

Cant complain had carbs at weekend and people insist I eat carbs with these meds as they are strong and kill my tummy.

I know once I am fit and well and properly low carbing all will be well again.

tartiflette Mon 08-Oct-12 15:33:43

Yes Willie thank you smile

captainmummy Mon 08-Oct-12 15:40:59

I got on the scales this mornng and was only 0.7lb down sad - then had to run to the loo before work, to, errrrm, get rid of the rest of that lb! So all good really.

Last night I had shepherds pie with celeriac mash - the mash i find really sweet, and almost metallic in taste, even with butter and cream in. Not a fan. Finished off with lidl greek yog, which i find really filling, felt stuffed all evening.

EwanHoozami Mon 08-Oct-12 16:11:49

queribus don't feel down, what's done is done. New week, new start and all that. Enjoy your prawns & snooze.

Doshu I love pilates, despite being a malcoordinated oaf. It's sorted out my postnatal SPD and makes me feel so much stronger and more limber. When I can't get to a class (which is most of the time) I have Darcey Bussell's DVD. She's not as annoying as you'd imagine!

EwanHoozami Mon 08-Oct-12 16:17:04

I've just been swimming and for the first time ever I didn't have the urge to inhale half the vending machine on my way out. Am at home eating raw cauli dipped in bovril <weirdo>

B: squished eggs in mayo
L: weirdo cauliflower, as above. Also some leftover roast turkey.
D: Bresaola salad w/ roast broccoli and grilled aubergine.

People - if you've not tried BIWI's roast chilli broccoli yet (on the recipe thread I think), do yourselves a favour and get some down you. Wonderful stuff.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Mon 08-Oct-12 16:28:15

Really pleased, am 2.25lbs down which is great. Tonight though have to eat chilli made with a Schwartz mix as dc are making tea, never realised what crap is in those mixes. Need to find a good recipe to try next week. Oh well, will have mine in lettuce leaves rather than tacos and hope it doesn't hit me too hard.

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 16:32:46

I think there's a chilli recipe on the recipe thread, Lavender

vnmum Mon 08-Oct-12 16:49:36

willie i can completely see where you are coming from. I'm not sure if i had disordered eating but my eating habits were not good when i tried either SW or WW. On SW i would binge with huge portions of 'allowed' foods just because the plan said i could and even though DH would question my portion sizes. On WW i would save points to use on junk and rather have a chocolate bar than a peice of fruit and if i cheated and went over, the next day i would just starve. When the new plan came in i would just use my extra weekly points for a cream cake and donut binge. That was not a healthy way to eat.
With low carb, food is just not an issue. I eat when i'm hungry and have no desire to binge on crap. I am eating healthier food than before (no bloody WW meals, uurgh)

So i am in total agreement that this is not a fad diet it is a healthy diet than can help people have a better relationship with food through hormone regulation.

vnmum Mon 08-Oct-12 16:59:10

frumpet i take a multivit, fish oil, l carnitine and Dlux vit d spray. It gives you 1000iu per spray. The Dc have that too. I read Robb Wolf's paleo solution book and he suggests supplements in the following doses.

Vit D3 2000 -5000iu per day
Omega 3, 3.5g of active DHA per day based on a 140lb person
Iodine 150mcg
Magnesium 1200mg

He does suggest some others but i wasn't too bothered with those as he said they weren't as important.

The only one i haven't found is magnesium. Apparently an effervescent magnesium tablet of 1200mg before bed can help you sleep

CackleMeIAmYours Mon 08-Oct-12 17:02:50

So today:

B - 2 x sausage, 2 rashers bacon, 2 fried eggs (after my carb-filled weekend I was starving sad
L - Shredded smoked salmon and Crayfish tails in mayo wrapped in iceberg lettuce leaves
D - Homemade cheeseburger with a teeny scraping of mustard.

Tomorrow, I'm going to attempt an Eggplant Parmigiana - wish me luck!

dotty2 Mon 08-Oct-12 17:09:36

Yes, thank you Willie - overcoming disordered eating is my ultimate aim. I have a big comfort food issue and when the DCs were tiny and I wasn't coping very well I sometimes used to hide in the utility room to eat chocolate without them seeing. I still tend to eat rubbish when tired/bored/stressed. I'm not sure whether this woe takes away the urge to do it, or if it's just the idea of sticking to a plan and biscuits/choc being completely off limit that makes it easier.

Have just swum 1k and found it absolutely fine. Ran on Saturday and that was OK too. When I first started last week I was finding exercising hard but my body seems to have got used to it, which is great.

Have been avoiding drinking much today as 'working' at home (being distracted at home, more like) and had a decorator wallpapering our only loo. I must say that I have felt hungrier as a result and eaten too much cheese - so there's a lesson for us all. Loo looks good, though - just as well the amount of time I'm spending in there normally.

Boobz Mon 08-Oct-12 17:43:54

Weighed in at 126lbs exactly today, so that is 3.6lbs off since Oct 1st start date. Fabby.

Today I have had:

B: 2 x eggs, 1 piece toast spread with 2/3 teaspoon butter
Snack1: 1 small plain yoghurt sprinkled with pecans
L: 3oz turkey, lettuce and 1/2 cup green peppers with dressing
Snack2: 3oz feta cheese, 1 cup broccoli, 6 peanuts
D: 3oz red snapper, 1 cup courgettes, 1 cup spinach

c. 2l water.

(This Zone Diet is all ounces and cups!)

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 17:45:32

Toast?! <faints>

That's not Bootcamp!

Nor are the pecans or peanuts!

DIYapprentice Mon 08-Oct-12 17:54:38

Erm, BIWI, are you ok? <nudge, nudge> <looks around for help frantically> BIWI? BIWI????!!!! BIWI wake up! I am NOT going to give mouth to mouth!!!!!

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 17:57:42

<puckers up>

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 17:57:53


BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 17:58:12

that's me, puckering up...

halfthesize Mon 08-Oct-12 17:58:17

grin @ DIY poor BIWI think she may have gone into shockwink

halfthesize Mon 08-Oct-12 17:58:49

xposts smile

DIYapprentice Mon 08-Oct-12 17:59:58

<backs away slowly> Erm....no. You're probably too carby! grin

Thanks all you're so lovely and su


...supportive thanks

I am hard as nails - just had cold shower as boiler has broken down and I'm too chicken to ask the neighbours if I can borrow theirs. It's ok though as we rent and agents are v v good at getting things fixed quickly

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 18:38:46

Hi Losers, need some advice.

I'm struggling with the dinner meal, I'm just not getting satisfied with it in the same way i do with breakfast and lunch.
I feel full but just not satisfied and I want something carby like chips, bread or mash potato.

My meals are:
B: fried in butter - 2 eggs, 3 bacon, 1 tomato, mushrooms
L: 1 tuna tin, cucumber, 6 cherry tomatos, 1 bell pepper and about 3oz cheese mixed together with helmans mayo
D: Salmon pan fried in butter with broccoli + cauliflower

Also had a boiled egg after dinner.

Any advice?

butterfly perhaps try some more veg with dinner...or a cheese sauce with the cauli and broccoli??

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 18:44:09

Cheese sauce sounds interesting, how does one make cheese sauce?

I've just posted a recipe on the recipe thread for you butterly

ForSaletotheHighestBidder Mon 08-Oct-12 18:56:34

Celeriac mash is delicious, you could have that with your evening meal.

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 08-Oct-12 18:58:51

fatty kind of chicken - I should have probably explained better. My holistic doctor brainwashed me successfully "no animal fat after 40", I got used to buy skinless fillets only. I attributed the lack of any weight loss to "not enough fat". So my idea of fatty chicken was not a good one my DH refused to read lables and brought me BBQ drumsticks from M&S garage. Now I hang my head in shame for not knowing that 5.4 carbs in chicken is high and no way acceptable. I won't! Ever!
Now I will record the food I eat may be there will be some answers why I am not loosing. Can it be that once you've reached some plateau, it stalls? Because I lost 8 lb earlierthis year (I was surprised myself when entered the spreadsheet as I did not work o it - may be it is a dream to get to my preferred weight?
Anyway, I forgot to enter my weight and since I have not lost anything, I will update s/s tomorrow morning - who knows may be last 48 h without scale did magic.

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 08-Oct-12 19:00:24

butterfly funny you said that - I feel not satisfied with my breakfast, whatever I try, I miss my croissant terribly.

hurricanewyn Mon 08-Oct-12 19:05:23

I don't know how others do it, butterflies but I heat cream & mix in philly & grated cheddar.

Good luck tomorrow vnmum - I'm sure you'll be fine though.

I've just finished dinner & am stuffed. Quite an eaty day today. DH is poorly & off work - think he's a bad influence.

B - cucumber slices & cream cheese
L - Roast chicken
D - Steak (I made like the way Nigella did, with the steak resting in olive oil, vinegar, chilli & oregano after cooking) - it was ok, nothing special though. Had it with celeriac, garlic mushrooms & the braised cabbage someone posted earlier. I wasn't too keen on the cabbage but DH loved it, said he'd like it again but perhaps with caraway seeds next time.

I didn't weigh anything, so that lot was probably quite carby (in a low carb way grin)

Boobz Mon 08-Oct-12 19:18:26

Sorry - I did say I was doing the Zone diet when I asked if I could join... On the Zone you are allowed a certain amount of blocks of protein, fat and carbs. I am a small woman so I get the smallest amount possible: 2 blocks of each, 5 times a day (so as to keep blood sugar level stable). The Zone doesn't ban any carb but there are "favourable" ones and "unfavourable" ones. And obviously I'm not allowed much of them (almost nothing).

I have lost 3.6lbs so I definitely think it's working!

But shall not mention toast like ingredients again - I don't want anyone fainting on my watch.

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 19:24:15

Thank you princess!
I am now thinking that I need somthing creamy with my dinners, as when I think about it I go all "hmmmm" in my head.
Have some chicken for tomorrow nights dinner will try making chicken alfrado...

Dont think I need more vegies, I need more fat!

No problem butterfly enjoy wink
Another idea for you...how about creamy mushrooms? or you could try your own peppercorn sauce with a steak?!

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 19:28:50

Peppercorn steak sounds lush...yum...

I think this is what I was missing, just couldnt get excited or satisfied with dinners, hopefully this will make all the difference.
I'm also planning on making homemade burgers later this week

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Mon 08-Oct-12 19:32:28

Hi all,

Am 7lbs down.

Very chuffed. thanks to BIWI for correcting my rather too many tomatoes diet after 3 days and helping me. Also thanks to all who have posted on the recipe thread, have been very "basic" this week but am looking forward to trying some this week.

Good luck VNMum!!

Bless you willie that was brave, real, and truthful. Not just a spreadsheet genius .....

Well done to all. Looking forward to week 2.

Viperidae Mon 08-Oct-12 19:35:25

Willie Great post, it is good for those of us in the monster BMI ranges to know that someone has been there and is succeeding. As you said it is daunting when you have many stones to lose and your perception is that everybody else is stressing about small amounts.

vnmum Your post about WW and SW is so true. I was just the same and was constantly hungry. Good luck tomorrow.

The disordered eating perpetuated by dieting is exactly what we all need to get away from with this WOE. I am surrounded at work by people doing WW and SW who are not enjoying their lives which is why I am determined to find a WOE that I can adopt longterm and that lets me lead a normal life, socialise and have fun while becoming healthier and, hopefully a bit smaller.

Ilovemyteddy Mon 08-Oct-12 19:41:09

willie thanks

Great post xx

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Mon 08-Oct-12 19:42:28

Oh and forgot to say, that 7lbs loss is without any major bowel movement still.

Tmi alert. A little for the last few days but really not much passing thru chez toomuch loo.

biwi my friend who does Dukan suggests trying oat bran in water (or milk if allowed) to help. Is this allowed? Am taking a strong black coffee each day and have had vit c tablet last 3 days.

Viperidae Mon 08-Oct-12 19:43:29

Forgot to say food today has been
B: None as was busy
Cup of tea with splash of milk mid-morning
L: Chicken breast with mushrooms, creamed leeks and courgettes (leftovers from yesterday
T: Salmon patties, mashed cauliflower and buttered samphire ('twas delicious!) and another cup of tea

I can sympathise with butterfly. I am not hungry in the evenings but am conscious that I am not stuffed and sedated by my tea. I'm hoping that will just pass with time.

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 19:58:10

Notagain - What are you having for you breakfast?

viper - Your lunch sounds lush...

Maybe Im expecting to feel stuffed and sedated...Not sure...it's like I still want something to eat even thought I'm full, and don't get that with my other meals.

OliviaLMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 08-Oct-12 20:02:30

oh no
I have fallen victim to the eating without thinking curse and polished off a packet of peanuts while waiting for DH to come home.
But otherwise going well I think.

WineGless Mon 08-Oct-12 20:15:51

Wow what a lot of posts I can hardly keep up.

All welcome Boobz but you may need to keep reminding us you are on a slightly different diet!

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 08-Oct-12 20:17:30

Got fed up with eggs and bacon before Weeks 1.
Cottage cheese seemed to be not offensive, but so boring now.
I am seriously thinking about raw eggs -isn't it quicker to get them down in one gulp and forget about?
Domestic Goddess confessed that Saatchi's staple breakfast is 6 raw eggs.

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 08-Oct-12 20:18:53

butterfly breakfast used to be my favourite meal. Now it is the least sad

Good luck for tomorrow vnmum!

Toomuch are you managing any exercise? It always gets things moving for me

Omg buttered samphire viper... I am practically drooling

Ewww, I would not fancy raw eggs!

There's that vile drink made from them, isn't there? Avocaat (sp). It is literally the only alcohol I will never touch. Vile.

I have had today:

B - black coffee, bowl of yoghurt with cinnamon.
L - scrambled eggs with green pepper and spring onions, and salad leaves.
Snack - couple of slices of cheddar and fennel
D - steak with buttery spinach and green beans.

I've definitely had my 2.5 litres of water.

I'm absolutely shattered, and didn't drink as much coffee as usual, but it's possible the two aren't related.

WineGless Mon 08-Oct-12 20:23:35

Olivia - you are still with us. Are you weighing in? And have you moved the banoffee pie recipe off the low carb section? We don't want anyone getting tempted now do we?

HumphreyCobbler Mon 08-Oct-12 20:24:50

Toomuch, you need psyllium husks! I use the capsules as I can't bear drinking them neat.

WineGless Mon 08-Oct-12 20:27:15

Notagain, what did you used to have for breakfast?
The whole idea is that we enjoy the food we eat! I don't think throwing raw eggs down your throat whilst holding your nose fits the ethos! wink

Have you tried mims (muffins in a minute) for breakfast or having leftovers from night before?
Depending on my organisation the night before I have done ham rolled up filled with cream cheese, boiled eggs mashed with Boursin, Greek yogurt

bucksmum Mon 08-Oct-12 20:32:56

Boosted by 11lb loss, today I've been to gym for first time in months - ouch!

Food today

B- chicken and coffee! (leftover from Sunday lunch)
L - ham, cheese & coleslaw
D - chicken curry and cauliflower rice

Gallons of fizzy water pretending it's gin smile

tartiflette Mon 08-Oct-12 20:40:29

Agree with Humph that psyllium husks are best for getting things moving - x2 twice a day washed down with a big glass of water, bob's your uncle wink

Poppy1234 Mon 08-Oct-12 20:52:03

Congratulations to all on the weight loss, my focus this week is definitely portion control, breakfast and lunch aren't an issue but I think my dinners are definitely on the too large side.

B: Greek yoghurt
L: Carbless burger from the new David Lloyd paleo menu.
D: Beef rendang with cauliflower rice and buttered green beans

DH has downloaded episode 2 of homeland so off to watch that and then bed. I have to say I sleep so well when I'm eating low carb.

EwanHoozami Mon 08-Oct-12 20:57:11

OOH Nigella is cooking Italian pork scratchings.

NewStartSameStory Mon 08-Oct-12 20:59:42

B: fancy scrambled eggs
L: salmon with prawn sauce and broccoli
T: salad
snack - alpro yoghurt
water 3 ltrs ish (might have been close to 4tbh)

Exercise: fuck all not even physio.

I am about ready to fall asleep in the corner. Absolutely shattered. I am setting double alarms for tomo and hoping, just hoping to not over sleep.

Doshusallie Mon 08-Oct-12 21:03:13

Tea was 2 chicken breasts wrapped in cheese and bacon, with leeks, courgettes and mushrooms cooked in butter. Massive meal (who was talking about portion control? blush)

Snacks have been 2 chunks of cheese and a slice of salami. anda----gin----and----tonic

butterflyexperience Mon 08-Oct-12 21:12:36

Notagain I was going to suggest a fry up done in butter, but if your sick of it...

I dont think your getting enough fat into your breakfast hence the unsatisfied feeling. Thats the same with my dinner. I need more fat in it!

OrangeKat Mon 08-Oct-12 21:13:59

Evening, I think you'd better take me off the spreadsheet Biwi. My kidneys have gone horridly wrong again, so no bootcamp for me- just moonfaced and fluid retention.
Keep it up bootcampers, I'll see you on the other side.....

That sounds painful, kat, hope you are coping.

Get well soon.

Doshusallie Mon 08-Oct-12 21:20:53

Get well soon orangekat

WineGless Mon 08-Oct-12 21:24:42

Orangekat, hope kidneys better soon. Always welcome to pop in for a chat you know...

Tea: lamb chops, Green beans Provençal and braised baby leeks. Bloody gorgeous though I say so myself. Will post recipe tomorrow. Can't keep eyes open, not like me. Night all

Well done losers!

Thanks for sharing willie.

Long and complicated day - but managed oK except for one small biscuit.

ewan i too was watching Nigella... Loved the look of that roast pork smile, substitute the peas and artichokes(bleurgh) for some salad or other green veg and it'd be LC friendly grin

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 21:53:03

Get well soon orangecat

Well done losers.

No lunch today. Dinner was lamb steaks with chopped chillis and mayonnaise.

2l water, another one to go.

First day back at gym today lifting/pushing weights <hysterical laughter>

NigellasGhost Mon 08-Oct-12 21:53:13

bacon and egg for dinner!
pudding will involve cream and coconut oil <weirdo>

MmeLindor Mon 08-Oct-12 21:54:01

Great post willie.

I has schweinegeschnetzeltes tonight - strips of pork escalopes fried in butter with mushrooms and cream. Added some courgettes. Was delish.

Didn't drink enough though, I have just realised. Need to get still water tomorrow. We only have sparking.

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 21:54:48

Hmmmmm I have cream and coconut oil.

Maybe not <not a weirdo> grin

Are you adding something else?

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 21:55:03

Orangekat - sorry to hear you're ill. Hope you get better soon.

butterfly - why not try making a mash with butter and cream for your evening meal? There's a recipe for celeriac and leek mash on the recipe thread, or you could make mashed swede, or mashed cauliflower.

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 21:56:36

It only took me 8 2 attempts to pronounce that correctly MmeL <proud>

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 21:59:48

My day:

B - cheese and shallot omelette (at 11.30)
L - roast breast of lamb, mixed green leaf salad with avocado and vinaigrette (at 4.30)
D - (after my evening class) large bowl yoghurt + vanilla

3 litres water and 3 cups coffee

MmeLindor Mon 08-Oct-12 22:04:24

Its a tricky one. grin

OliviaLMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 08-Oct-12 22:18:46

I am a LOSER
3.5lbs baby

BigBroomstickBIWI Mon 08-Oct-12 22:25:33


Well done!

NigellasGhost Mon 08-Oct-12 22:27:51

caramel I added some vanilla essence

if you weren't on bootcamp you could also add a sprinkling of bournville cocoa powder

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 22:30:14

Well done Olivia

Did you warm it all up Nigella? That might be quite nice.

NigellasGhost Mon 08-Oct-12 22:33:59

I only warmed the coconut oil, so that it could be poured into the cream.

if you weren't on bootcamp you could also add flaked almonds as well as the cocoa powder

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 22:43:52

I am craving cocopops so much right now! - something I never normally eat.

Righteo: cream and almond oil and coconut oil.

NigellasGhost Mon 08-Oct-12 22:47:02

oh God what have I done! grin

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 22:53:43

Ok. So.

Double cream (small amount) gently warmed in saucepan with oils.

Ruddy well Delicious. Found a dessert. Hooray

Thanks, Nigella grin

Themumsnot Mon 08-Oct-12 23:22:59

Morale booster of the day: I did an online BMI calculator thingy and my 4lb loss has moved me from the obese category into the merely overweight category! Next stop normal!

caramelwaffle Mon 08-Oct-12 23:44:09

Well done, mumsnot.

NewStartSameStory Tue 09-Oct-12 04:53:40

Lack of sleep is a killer of motivation. Morning.

cartblanche Tue 09-Oct-12 05:20:31

Morning NewStartSameStory. I crashed out last night with my youngest at about 8pm. Woke at some ungodly hour, went back into my own bed and tossed and turned for an hour or so. Gave up and came down and made the kids packed lunches, came on here and am drinking a cup of decaf coffee and 1 square of 85% choc! Finding the evenings hard going but hoping normal service will resume soon. Hope you have a good day. (will try and get back to bed for an hour or so now)

Morning everyone. smile

themumsnot - congratulations!

Mme - that pork/courgette thingy sounds delicious.

I do love a diet that lets me eat pig. grin

I am sitting here sipping black engine oil coffee. hmm

sybilfaulty Tue 09-Oct-12 06:42:48

Wow! 306 posts already and it's the start of day2, week 2!

2lbs off for me. Slow and steady. I can feel my hip bones, not exactly jutting, thank god, but not surrounded in layers of lard as previously.

Have a good day losers.I am tossing up a swim whilst my son is at nursery, or a coffee and mooch round the shops. I wonder which will win?

butterflyexperience Tue 09-Oct-12 06:51:36

BIWI I made cauliflower mash the other day with lots of butter, and it was rank sad
Shall try celric and leek mash at the weekend.
Bought cream last night so going to make cheese sauce with my chicken tonight, yum yum!

butterflyexperience Tue 09-Oct-12 06:54:10

Also, anyone know what adding exercise does on a diet like this?
I'm a bit confused....

So lowcarb means eating lots of calories but if you exercise than you burn calories...

Will it stop me losing weight?
Anyone know the science behind it all?


WineGless Tue 09-Oct-12 07:36:06

Your body is changing from using carbs to burn fuel for exercise to fat burning. If you want to read round the subject I can highly recommend dr John Briffa book escape the diet trap. You might be able to borrow from library if no other boot campers have got there first!!

BigBroomstickBIWI Tue 09-Oct-12 07:59:39

butterfly - low carb doesn't mean you have to eat loads of calories! It just means that you don't have to count calories - and there is the added advantage that you can eat more calories than if you were following a low calorie diet yet still lose weight.

Exercise, as with any diet, will make only a small contribution to weight loss. Figures I have seen bandied about on various sites say that food = 80-85% of losing weight, with exercise at 15-20%.

Obviously, though, exercise is good for you anyway, and can also help you to tone up, which will enhance weight loss. If you are used to high levels of exercise, you may find it a little difficult in the short term (initial 2-3 weeks) as your body gets used to burning fat rather than carbs. Once you're ketogenically adapted, however, you should be able to exercise just as intensively as you were doing before going low carb.

Butterfly trick is to work out what is your fat burning zone , to far over start burning muscle to low and no fat going

So for example in in the 40 group my best FBZ is 140-160 heart rate . 180 minus your age plus 20 to give the zone

To be most effective you need do at least 3 times a week

BiWI is right first few weeks are tough but once I adjusted to it I actually now work out far more and harder and longer than did before. . Mind that would not been hard grin

morning, well done on losses this last week

sorry you're not well orangekat, i have removed you from the spreadsheet

yes i found working out during the first couple of weeks of proper low carb almost impossible (others haven't found that to be the case though) so i eased off until about three weeks in

weirdly i had to change the time of day i was working out (previously morning, now evening)

ItsNotUnusualToBe Tue 09-Oct-12 08:49:11

Hi there. 3lbs off for me. Would have been more but my beef stew on Sunday was way too full of carby veg. Lesson learnt and I'm happy with 3lb. I love love love this WOE.

I exercise 2-3 times a week, which is new for me. I love the way it feels.

Some inspiring stuff here. Thanks all.

shagmund what was your original starting weight and what was your weight on 1st oct?

Morning ladies smile

Breakfast today was leftovers from last night smile
Lunch and dinner undecided as yet!

Im off wedding dress shopping today with the BFF... So excited!

NigellasGhost Tue 09-Oct-12 09:36:38

caramel that is good news!

Boobz Tue 09-Oct-12 09:42:09

Is that really true, that exercise is only accountable for 15% of weight loss vs the food part? That's amazing if it's true. Link?

My work out today:

-- 5km warm up run (paced by my hound, Jackson)
-- 10 x press ups x 3 sets
-- 10 x kettle bell swings x 3 sets
-- walking lunges holding 3kg weights x 2 sets (killer!)
-- 20 x sits ups x 3 sets
-- 10 x box jumps x 2 sets
(20 seconds rest between each set)
Repeat above x 2 (but only doing the run once), for a total work out time of 56:38.
5 mins yoga warm down.

B: 1oz grilled steak, 1 egg, 1 slice toast, 2/3 tsp butter
Snack1: Glass of milk and 6 cashew nuts
L: 2oz tuna on lettuce with dressing
Snack2: Protein smoothie
D: Beef stew (3oz beef, 1/4 cup onion, 1/2 cup green pepper, 1 cup mushrooms, 1/2 cup courgette, stock).

(P.S. I am on the Zone diet - very low carb but I do get some, in case you spot banned foods on there and shout at me!).

Is anyone taking before and after photos?

dotty2 Tue 09-Oct-12 09:49:37

I don't know why but am absolutely starving this morning, after an utterly virtuous - delicious but impeccably low carb - day yesterday. So far today I have eaten two boiled eggs with butter. Still hungry. Small bowl of soya yoghurt (experimenting - low carb but not v. nice) with cinnamon. Still hungry. Back from school run, and ate a whole avocado, 3 slices of ham and some cream cheese and think I am finally not hungry any more. Am running this lunchtime and giving blood tonight so keen not to keel over at any point...

captainmummy Tue 09-Oct-12 09:56:32

Butterfly - I decided I don't like celeriac mash either, I prefer it chipped or in a soup. Mashed swede with butter is better!

Princess - your wedding dress? Oooo!

Breakfast - not hungry,so a coffee with cream.
lunch will be leftovefr cauliflower cheese and DS2-made bolognaise sauce
Dinner - DS2 is doing prawns in thai spices, will have with those carb-free, cal-free, taste-free noodles.

Doshusallie Tue 09-Oct-12 10:02:27

that braised cabbage dish - do you think you can make it early in the day and keep it in fridge for evening meal?

Collywibbles Tue 09-Oct-12 10:03:42

Boobz - I have done pictures monthly (I have been LCing for over a year) - but won't be sharing them as I am in bra and knicks smile

Your workout sounds great - I have got tabata and body pump tonight so will be sweaty after that!

B - scrambled egg with loads of butter & a proper sausage.

Drinking loads of water today - I am ridiculously thirsty for some reason ...

GoldenOrangeWhippoorwhill Tue 09-Oct-12 10:25:24

I tried so hard to be good during our time away. I had red wine, some dark chocolate, some macadamia nuts and a few chips. Other than that I was strict low carb but huge portions. Didn't expect to lose anything but I'm another pound down making me 11 stone exactly. That's 3 stone since the end of February. Slow and steady but I'm getting there. smile I really want the scales to say 10 something now though.

I'm getting cross with myself about my lack of exercise. My neck/shoulder is still bad. If I reach up or forward I get a tingling or buzzing sensation in my arm and hand and my thumb and first finger go numb. The doctor says rest and anti-inflamatories and we don't have the money for an osteopath. MIL had offered to pay but sadly the money had to be spent on vet treatment and euthanasia for our dog instead. Since then I've rather been moping. I would normally be forced to leave the house to walk the dogs but the old dog can't walk very far and with this rain her arthritis would rather she slept by the radiator instead, so I've just been vegging. We got back Thursday and since then I have been mostly lying on the bed as that's the most comfortable position for my arm. I'm feeling weirdly unmotivated but restless. Cabin fever without any urge to solve it. sad I think I need a swift kick up the arse!

On the bright side the new puppy should be being picked up on 28th October. It's been a long time since there was a baby in the house so that will take a bit of adjusting to. Night wakings, early mornings and constant vigilance. I seem to remember the hooligan stage lasting about 3 years... I must be crazy!

Good luck with your interview vnmum. I've got my fingers crossed for you. Don't worry too much about the future though, if you get it the kids will be fine and you've got a year to work out overnights. smile

Boobz Tue 09-Oct-12 10:26:55

Collywibbles - I want to see your photos! I have got my before photos (taken on 1 Oct) and will post my after photos in January when I have completed P90X and Zone diet.

LCing for over a year?! And you're quite strict? You must weigh nothing!

I loved bodypump, but don't have it here (Kenya).

ScarletPoppy Tue 09-Oct-12 10:29:04

I think I am probably an imposter at this late stage. I just wanted to add that I did the Idiot Proof Diet (still am!) and went from 11.9 in April to 9.4 today. The only exercise I did was walking half an hour when I felt like I had time (not that often!) I am now a small size 12 and love this way of eating. It is never difficult to eat out either! I do eat a bit of v dark choc now and then but have managed to lose my sweet tooth overall. Sugar free jelly does the job when I have an urge. Or a dollop of cream cheese, splosh of cream, vanilla extract and a sprinkle splenda. Mix it up and it has a cheesecake texture and taste. Yum smile good luck everyone and I still want to get to the magic number 9 so will be pinching your tips and ideas too smile

Boobz Tue 09-Oct-12 10:29:14

How much did you weigh when you started Collywibbles?

DIYapprentice Tue 09-Oct-12 10:39:39

A relatively good day yesterday, tried some soya yoghurt for breakfast - realised I didn't like the flavour so added a scoop of chocolate protein shake. Felt like I was having a pudding for breakfast!!! blush (Twas very nice though.) But at least I had something in my stomach before a workout as I had no time to cook anything up for myself.

I can see and feel a small difference while wearing some of my tops now, which is really positive, and a great incentive to stay on track.

JessicaWakefield Tue 09-Oct-12 11:30:06

Doshusallie I made the braised cabbage yesterday early in the day and then reheated it in the evening and it was fine - in fact more than fine, absolutely delicious!

NewStartSameStory Tue 09-Oct-12 11:47:54

There has been a training partner induced slip up but we were talking about what I was doing and why and I suspect I shall not be allowed to slip up again. Twas v nice though blush

Breakfast 1 4:30am: scrambled eggs
breakfast 2 10:30am: sausage and egg buttie
Snack: Yoghurt.

I don't know if the others who have been training have found this BUT I am find long sustained training sessions far easier. Longer recovery but no shakes after training, ability to focus for longer etc. I haven't dropped training but it isn't at my most intensive normal either. I am finding coping with training fine. Not sure if the longer recovery is due to carb flu or changes in composition. Time will tell. Also face planting in training is not going to help that blush Also I seem to feel better if I do something exercise wise every day atm. Rest days I suffer a lot more. Perhaps it's just cos I think about it more?

Exercise done: 4 hrs stamina, speed, strength and technique work.

The day is lovely so I am going to take some work and head out into the hills. Might even see if I can get a half hour hill walk in too.

TellMeLater Tue 09-Oct-12 12:05:12

Hi fellow boot campers, yesterday was a fast day so I stayed away from this thread - too many tempting foods.

Started day off with a slice of uneaten bacon off dd's plate, v tempted by the black pudding but roped in my self control. Then off to bootcamp in the park and despite not have much food fuelling my body after fasting yesterday I felt strong and energetic and had a good session.

Just had Sundays pork shoulder for lunch served with home made coleslaw - even the mayo! The horseradish dressing had a bit of sugar but not more that 1 or 2 carbs, will work on making it lower now I know what it should taste like.....might get into coleslaws, they go so well with fatty foods - but not the supermarket stuff, most of it is horrible.

Dinner is looking like stir fried brown rice for dcs and stir fried Cauli rice for dh and I.

Its all gone a bit wrong for me sad

I need my back sorted and then I can bootcamp again, until then I am going to take it easy and do bootcamp lightish. If I am not on soon, come find me and give me a kick up the bum with BIWI big stick.

BigBroomstickBIWI Tue 09-Oct-12 13:12:32

Sorry to hear that Jax. I won't run after you with my stick while you're not feeling so good!

Princess - congratulations! thanks What an incentive you will have to stick to low carbing! When is the wedding?

Lots of impressive exercise going on here as well.

Re link to amounts of exercise, I have none - but I've seen on several different forums/threads that statistic. Mind you, it must be an average. I can't believe that very intensive exercise can't have more of an effect.

Anyhoo - shouldn't be hear - am supposed to be interviewing at the moment - will be finished at 3.15 and then off to the gym.

Doshusallie Tue 09-Oct-12 13:14:40

NewStart - are you in the army or something?

L: 3 fried eggs, bacon bits and mushrooms all fried in butter. Huge plateful.
coffee with a splash of cream

Thanks Jessica - will make that now then. grin

Did my shop in Lidl this morning and it cost approx, £50 less than a standard shop in Tesco. shock loads of fresh veg and fridge stuff (ham, yoghurt etc), and freezer meat.

tartiflette Tue 09-Oct-12 13:32:51

Am also very impressed with the amount of exercise going on here. I personally hate it and have lost over 3 1/2 stone without doing anything other than a bit of toning/strength work (callanetics) so I can vouch for the fact that diet is the main factor. But obviously I can see there are other benefits, I just am extremely lazy loathe being out of breath and sweaty...

B - sausage, bacon and egg
L - picked at the chilli from a friend's bowl of chilli nachos at soft play - I might have some tuna mayo and salad in a bit
D - IPD moussaka with roasted green beans and courgettes

3 coffees so far. Feeling guilty about coffee intake although in fairness I've never found it a problem weight loss-wise. Should prob cut down though.

Welcome scarletpoppy, impressive loss - well done!

caramelwaffle Tue 09-Oct-12 13:45:50

Good afternoon everyone.

Breakfast was Goats milk yoghurt before the gym
Two cups of herbal tea.
1l water

Lunch - fresh crabmeat, olives and chopped chillis with walnut oil.

Good luck wedding dress shopping princess
Hope you feel better soon Jax
Good news on your clothes now fitting DIY

caramelwaffle Tue 09-Oct-12 13:47:12

Doshusallie Lidl is really good for cold meats like Parma ham I discovered a week or two ago.

Collywibbles Tue 09-Oct-12 14:18:39

Tartiflette - I was the same about exercise but now I love it! There is something strangely satisfying about dripping sweat on the floor during exercise lol!

Boobz - I was 11.2 (I am 5'4") when I started Dukan (wash my mouth out with soap) in May last year - and very quickly lost 2 stone, but I hated Dukan so read lots of books, lurked on threads here and changed things around again. I then ended up on steroids (I have bowel disease) and went back up to 10.3 for a while before getting back to 9.12 about 2 months ago. I lost 2lb last week by going back to basics. Too many nuts / chunks of cheese and not enough proper meals had crept in, so it has been good for me to be disciplined. I have been exercising properly (& daily) since the beginning of September - a real mixture of stuff and have really noticed a change in my body shape. I just need to get rid of the flabby bits (and I can't even blame having children). I know I am not going to lose loads of weight but just want to be toned and firm. My insides also behave far better when I LC ......

Ooops - sorry for the essay .....

dotty2 Tue 09-Oct-12 14:26:40

Been for a run - found it a bit hard, but on reflection that might be because of swimming yesterday (am not very fit and pushed myself yesterday). Have eaten too much and not really the right things (pate, cheese, etc) but at least it's all been lowish carb. Oh well - onwards.

caramelwaffle Tue 09-Oct-12 14:33:20

It'll be worth it dotty2 In six months time you'll be completely changed.

TellMeLater Tue 09-Oct-12 14:43:03

I have also been completely slobbish in the past - I only started running relatively recently using the c25k programme, the fitter you get the better exercising feels. Mind you dh loathes exercise, he got his fitness up using the same programme and goes for one run a week to keep his heart fit.

Poppy1234 Tue 09-Oct-12 14:43:40

Just had fabulous lunch which was a huge hit all round including my mum and two toddlers. I made the creamy mushroom soup from HFW's Veg (excluding flour and sherry) along with these muffins divaliciousrecipesinthecity.com/2012/07/03/cheese-chive-and-onion-muffin-coconut-flour/ I'm hoping they aren't too offensive carb wise, absolutely gorgeous split, toasted and buttered.

BIBW, I hope I haven't gone completely off piste with these.

Delighted the cabbage recipe is a hit, I'm considering replicating with fennel.

B: Greek yoghurt
L: Mushroom soup with coconut flour muffins
D: Mint and chilli lamb cutlets with golden swede (from Nigelissima), green beans and fennel prepared in some way

dotty2 Tue 09-Oct-12 14:44:03

We live in hope...

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Tue 09-Oct-12 14:44:37

I woke up this morning craving ..... Water and scrambled eggs confused I think I can safely say, at the age of forty-harrumph, that is a first!! grin

I too am very intrigued by what newstartsamestory does that involves SO much training, and early starts. Am imagining her as Victoria Pendleton in disguise, training for Strictly??? wink

Am def feeling the Lidl love, my fridge is packed for under twenty quid!!

Feel a bit silly saying this, but I also feel better on this bootcamp for a more "woo" reason than just eating well. I am actually taking time, and making an effort, with food for ME. I'm not shovelling down some cereal in a rush in the morning, or standing feeling uninspired in front of the fridge then reaching for the bread for toast as the easiest thing. I am planning, preparing, chopping, cooking and plating up nice food that will do me good.

Like this morning, was rushing for school run so just had some yoghurt, but when I got back after walking the dog, I made a 2 egg omelette with mushrooms and grated cheese, put it on a pretty plate, made good coffee and went and sat down AT THE TABLE not sofa, and savoured it while looking over the papers from Sunday. That can only be good for self esteem, relaxation, good digestion from eating slowly and calmly, enjoying the flavours of my food yes? I think it helps my mood, anyway, sorry for being "woo".

caramelwaffle Tue 09-Oct-12 14:59:43

An excellent post toomuch - you make a very good point about eating consciously.

EwanHoozami Tue 09-Oct-12 15:25:09

am chuckling about having Ms. Pendleton among our number. I can imagine her gushing to Tess "I owe it all to BIWI and her big stick" grin

you are so right toomuch, especially with your point about you being important enough to cook nice food for on your own

i love reading people's daily food diary on here, because they often include 3 or even 4 gourmet-style veg side dishes!

Doshusallie Tue 09-Oct-12 15:50:02

TooMuch - you make an excellent point that resonates massively with me. DH can't believe it. If he didn't cook before I would either have wine and crisps, or toast or cereal. I was the lasziest eater on the planet. Last week, I made myself salmon patties just for me - I cook veg just for myself where necessary, actual real meals. This NEVER happened before.

NewStartSameStory Tue 09-Oct-12 16:13:56


Toomuch: Hahaha! Me dance? Err No.
Doshu - have sustained too many injuries in the past, the army wouldn't take me.

I have in the past sustained various injuries which require regular undertaking of physio to ensure the reduction of pain. Don't do the physio then will suffer constant and sometimes activity limiting pain. It's not worth it, especially for not 4hrs ish of my week (1 long session and little bits every day that you don't really notice).

I also participate in a sport at at recreationally competitive level. That requires training. We have silly hours because it is not feasible for us to train at the same time as Joe Bloggs average person. It would be too problematic. So we have to work around that.

Ideally I should do some cross training to assist with the specific sport stuff actually I am really really crap at this and there is stretching out of muscles to prevent stiffness.

Plus it is coming up to competition season so everything is being ramped up. Extra specific training session/wk.

You quickly add up the hours BUT a lot of what I do is no where near as hard as some of the short more intensive sessions that others are doing. Most of them can't do a 4hr training session because the activity intensity is too high. And tbh I wouldn't want to do most of the activities others are doing. Too much like work. winkgrin

Does that help explain a bit without me outing myself?

Struggling today with old eating habits. Skipped lunch. BIG mistake. Eating a salad now as it won't be tea until 9pm ish. BUT must remember not to leave lunch so late as I will feel incredibly rough, and spaced out.

vnmum Tue 09-Oct-12 16:21:17

INterview went well. They seemed very positive and not phased by my time out of work etc, if anything they saw it as positive because I am mature but with the experience they are looking for. They have one more person to see so will let me know in a few days. I have my fingers crossed so tight, I really want it.

boobz I have some photos on my profile. I would be interested to see yours after P90X. The before and after pics tey show as part of their advert and the ones you can find on youtube seem very impressive. I would be tempted to try it myself but I may not have the time if I get this job and it does look very hardcore.

No breakfast for me
Lunch was 3 boiled eggs mashed in a cup with butter, cocnut oil and philly.
Snack of olives
Tea is salmon and salad

Got a bargain on the salmon in tesco reduced bit. A whole salmon for under £10. There were 2 so I snaffled them both. Well I couldn't leave themm on the shelf at that price smile

Whip Glad you enjoyed your break and good news that you lost aswell. Don't be afraid to grieve fro your dog. They become members of your family and it is normal to feel their loss, just take care of yourself and the Blue Cross have counsellors if you ever felt like you needed to speak to someone.

NewStartSameStory Tue 09-Oct-12 16:28:37

That's good news VNmun - well done.

Doshusallie Tue 09-Oct-12 16:32:58

Excited for you VNMum! Fingers crossed for you. Well done.

Boobz Tue 09-Oct-12 17:11:42

Well done on interview vnmum - fingers crossed indeed. Just looked at your pics - I have taken almost the exact same poses! You can really see the difference - well done! I think the last shot really shows how your bum has lifted! My bum needs a good lift.

I will post my before and after shots after have done P90X. Hoping to start Monday (will have been Zoning for 2 weeks by then, so hopefully my body will be used to working out on low carbs before I start).

SpeckleDust Tue 09-Oct-12 17:52:20

I've changed my start date to yesterday as last week and weekend were terrible carb-wise. I knew I was going to be tempted by some carbs last weekend (went away for the weekend with a group of friends) but hadn't envisaged quite how bad it would be.

Had a reasonably good day today but just getting through my 'danger' time - cooking kids dinner, always tempted to snack on all the wrong things.

B: a bit of coleslaw wrapped in 2 slices of thin ham (surprisingly nice!)
L: massive salad with avocado and gammon, white wine/olive oil dressing, coleslaw
D: will be pork stroganoff with cauli rice
Snack: bit of gammon and coleslaw, 3 slices of fried salami (salami crisps?), can of diet coke blush
Quite a lot of water

Exercise: Walking to school and back (2.5 miles) followed by 45min step class.

MmeLindor Tue 09-Oct-12 18:26:48

At our favourite Italian restaurant eating cesar salad instead of my normal pasta or pizza. Not sure of dressing carb count but reckoned it would be lower than pasta.

Only had a sip of DH's wine <virtuous>

Ooh, that sounds very positive vnmum, fingers crossed for you!

I have a question: when we say 'three meals a day' ... I, ah, may be edging towards four today. blush

I have had:

B - yoghurt and black coffee
Snack - coffee with milk blush
L - omlette with ham, mozarella and peppers
Snack - Pret crayfish and avocado salad (no dressing)
Snack - tea with milk blush

And I was planning to eat dinner and have chicken thighs in yoghurt spice marinade.

At what point does it become too much?

I am cross with myself about the milk, but DH was off work today, and I lose resolution when he's around bringing me cups of stuff!

NotAgainAndAgain Tue 09-Oct-12 18:32:55

butterfly and WineGlass* thank you for support, I am deflated by no loss.
My pre-BC breakfast was pain au chololat and coffee.
In Week 1 I had cottage cheese, eggs, scramble eggs with mushrooms, poached eggs with salmon, omelette with tomatoes.

Doshusallie Tue 09-Oct-12 18:37:56

Notagain - chin up, you will get there! (and what's that accent....?)

NotAgainAndAgain Tue 09-Oct-12 18:39:32

B: cottage cheese and cup of coffee
L: Pork belly leftover and 4 gherkins
D: Melanzane parmegiana (half way oven time, just was not hungry, so as soon as cheese melted - had it. No fun).
Snack - celery+ sour cream dip.
B: cottage cheese 150 g, coffee
L: Chicken breast, mushroom sauce, 5 radishes with sour cream-chilves dip.
D: LC Sausages with green Caesar Vegetables with butter (some sort of meddly)
Snack: radishes with guacamole

vnmum Tue 09-Oct-12 18:39:57

Thanks boobz, I am planning on putting more up after bootcamp when I reach my goal weight. If I get the job I will have to try and plan how to fit enough exercise in to make sure I stay toned.

NotAgainAndAgain Tue 09-Oct-12 18:44:10

doshu what would you say it sounds like?wink it's pretty obvious, I know, so no one can ever get it wrong grin which is good.

Evening all

Very busy day today grin

It was not me trying on weddingdresses yet.. Im chief bridesmaid for my BFF so i was supervising wink and i did try on a bridesmaids dress ( was so pretty!)

I am however also getting hitched end of next year ... Date should be set soon grin

We ate lunch out today i had honey and mustard glazed chicken breast :-/, followed by a nice big steak and some rocket! And a coke blush

Shall not be eating tonight as lunch was late and im still full up!!

WineGless Tue 09-Oct-12 18:53:05

Notagain, I haven't tried them but have you thought about those mim? Rushing out to PTA thing now but will link later if you can't find.

AuntieMaggie Tue 09-Oct-12 18:53:18


Yesterday was ok until I got to the hotel and there were no low carb options...

Bfast: protein shake
Lunch: cheese and bacon
Dinner: veg stirfry

Today again was ok or would've been if not for hotels/trains...

Bfast: yogurt and berries (I tried bacon eggs and mushrooms but they were gross)

Lunch: haddock in cheese sauce with broccoli and coleslaw

Dinner: 3 babybel and 3 port salut cheese and half a bag of quavers as I needed something else to go with the cheese I nicked as I am stuck on a train and won't be home til at least 9 cos I missed the train I.was supposed to get and I need to take my metformin with food!

Tomorrow will be better as I'm back in the office!

Doshusallie Tue 09-Oct-12 19:17:12

Notagain I'm going to say French.....

DIYapprentice Tue 09-Oct-12 19:23:03

Today I suddenly feel as though I've lost weight. Weird feeling....

B: soya yoghurt with a scoop of protein shake powder
L: homemade tuna cakes
D: cauliflower soup (I think, might add something else to it)

BigBroomstickBIWI Tue 09-Oct-12 19:25:58

Notagain - a couple of things - you're eating a fair bit of dairy. Try cutting that back/out. For many people dairy can impede weight loss.

And also, it looks like you're just not eating enough! You're not eating many vegetables, and it sounds like your portions might be quite small as well.

This WOE is not about deprivation. You need to eat properly here.