The Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - starting in 2 week's time!

(442 Posts)
BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 21:43:24

Following on from the success of Bootcamp v1, where we lost in the region of 70 stone between us, we will be running a 10 week v2 Bootcamp, starting on Monday 1 October.

This is designed to take us up to the end of the first week in December, by which time you should have lost at least half a stone - and that's being pessimistic. There's every chance you could lose more than a stone over that period of time! Plenty of time to make sure that you can get into that Little Black Dress without the lumps and bumps showing too much.

This is how it will work:

The first two weeks will be very strict. I will shout at you a lot and will wave my big stick around with gay abandon. After this period, you can then relax into Bootcamp Light or, if it suits you, stick with Bootcamp for the remaining 8 weeks.

We have a Spreadsheet of Marvellousness, which will be upated each week, so that you can plot your progress.

There are 10 simple rules here , and it's really easy to do. No weighing or counting (unless you really want to). And above all, lots of support from all those who are doing it alongside you.

Who is up for it?

SharonGless Sun 16-Sep-12 21:54:53

Me me me!
After the summer holiday/new scales debacle I am up for the challenge.
Also doing no alcohol November as a detox in preparation for the party season

BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 21:57:01

SIOB - way to go, Sharon! You're a better woman than me.

SharonGless Sun 16-Sep-12 21:59:06

It's our 4th year and can only do it as Dh does it too. Have little willpower really wink

BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 21:59:37

I can do it during the week, but fall apart at the weekend!

sybilfaulty Sun 16-Sep-12 22:28:59

I'm in! Thanks BIWI.

Ps what is SIOB?????

Deffo up for it, thanks biwi

I'm sort of maintaining now but boot camp will keep me on the straight and narrow in the run up to christmas

BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 22:36:18

Sharp Intake Of Breath!

Thegoddessblossom Mon 17-Sep-12 08:01:15

Marking place. And fully intend to buy a new LBD at the end of it. grin

BIWI Mon 17-Sep-12 08:27:02

I've already been Googling ...

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Mon 17-Sep-12 10:58:13

Marking place too

ThinThinker Mon 17-Sep-12 11:31:59

im up for a little motivational guidance,
im 1 week into low carb and its going well,
one thing im still unsure of, what % of carb/protien/fat should we be looking at, roughly?

BIWI Mon 17-Sep-12 13:33:14

I did find a set of proportions a while ago, but have no idea where! Will see if I can find it and come back to you.

However, as long as you are eating fat:protein:carbohydrate, you should be fine.

BIWI Mon 17-Sep-12 13:35:49

This is one figure that I've found, but it doesn't come from an 'official' source, so don't know how scientific/accurate it is:

fat 60 - 70% range (give or take) protein 20 to 30% and carbs generally 10% or less

fufulina Mon 17-Sep-12 14:05:02

Am in. When back from hols. I want to be 70kg by Christmas, which is 4.9kg off. Sould be eminently doable! (and doesn't include an holiday gain which may, or may not appear!)

Jacaqueen Mon 17-Sep-12 14:35:39

I am in. I have started today with my own super strict 2 week plan and will start LBD boot camp along with the rest of you from 1st oct.

Levantine Mon 17-Sep-12 16:11:49

I'm in - but I am a bit nervous

I have been shocked into trying to lose some weight over the past week - I am a stone more than my heaviest in the past. I have lost 3 pounds in ten days or so by cutting out refined sugar and carbs and by not drinking alcohol during the week.

I really really want to get back into some of my favourite clothes.

vnmum Mon 17-Sep-12 16:36:17

I'm in. Need to focus on trying to kick the dairy habit plus I am going to my parents for xmas which is never a good mix with low carbing so I will aim to get as low as I can before I go to allow for the inevitable gain smile

Levantine Mon 17-Sep-12 16:38:20

What should I be doing between now and then <impatient>

Kahlua4me Mon 17-Sep-12 16:41:03

Can I join too, please?

I did the Dukan diet before the summer holidays and lost over a stone but completely off track and need support and assistance to get back on track.

I need to lose about 2 stone ideally, 1.5 at least!

HumphreyCobbler Mon 17-Sep-12 16:47:39

Me too please. Am planning to up my exercise, reduce the salami and cut out the coffee with sweetener I still have in the morning <confesses>.

bucksmum Mon 17-Sep-12 16:52:59

I'm in desarately need to lose some weight and have printed off rules to get ready! Is there a list of allowed vegetables anywhere?

I need to lose 6 stone shock

halfthesize Mon 17-Sep-12 17:39:00

Hi All, marking place, cant wait to get started thanks BIWI

hurricanewyn Mon 17-Sep-12 18:11:31

I'm in too - can't wait!

BIWI Mon 17-Sep-12 22:02:44

Here is the list of allowed veg:

If you focus on eating stuff that's 3gs carbs per 100g you should be fine. Just remember that some veg is more dense than others, so you get less 'for your money' - e.g. onion - one onion can be around 200g in weight, so around 16g carbs just in that one veg.

Although the aim in bootcamp is not to have to count carbs, you do need to be aware of how many carbs the veg you're eating contains.

Don’t eat any veg unless it’s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Asparagus 1.4
Avocado flesh1.9
Runner beans2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Yellow pepper5.3
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5

By the way, you will find that different sites often give different carb counts for veg. I have no idea why they vary! Baby sweetcorn is a particularly troublesome one, and it seems that different varieties can have very different carb counts.

Also, be aware that American sites include fibre in their carb counts, so remember to subtract that.

Welcome to everyone - old or new! I'm glad so many are already chomping at the bit! Nothing to stop you starting now, if you want to!

LaVitaBellissima Mon 17-Sep-12 22:10:13

I am in, really pleased I've found this thread at the start. I bought the most gorgeous pair of Paul & Joe Trousers on sale but they are a size too small, they are my goal smile

I am really going to struggle with no fruit and cutting down on my alcoholism

Good luck everyone grin

ihatethecold Mon 17-Sep-12 22:12:02

Can you do a link to boot camp light please. smile

BornToShopForcedToWork Mon 17-Sep-12 22:15:15

I want to join!
Trying to lose 2 stone by Christmas to look fabulous when I go to NYC and I want to buy lots of new clothes there. I booked Premium Economy flights so I can take 46kg of luggage with me. My current weight is 13 st 3 lbs.

I'm in. Last christmas I put on a stone and I've not shifted it since. I cannot be another stone heavier this time next year.

I'm 5'9 and last time I checked I was 12 stone 10. I am a size 14 and feel really uncomfortable. By Christmas I want to lose 2 stone.

BIWI Mon 17-Sep-12 22:29:40
ihatethecold Mon 17-Sep-12 22:36:07


Me me me need to lose at least a stone!!

Marking place - I'm in!

right having looked at the rules, its gonna be breakfast i struggle with. What are you all having in the morning?

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 08:48:18

You'll only have to struggle with it for a couple of weeks, dietstartsmonday - when we move to Bootcamp Light you can choose when you're going to eat, as long as you continue to make good, low carb choices.

For me, my breakfasts are either eggs of some kind (boiled, poached, scrambled, hard boiled mashed with mayo, usually - occasionally a cheese omelette or bacon and eggs). On days when I go to the gym, at stupid o'clock, I have a bowl of full fat Total yoghurt, with some vanilla extract - gives me protein and fat, and is easy and doesn't involve any cooking.

Ilovemyteddy Tue 18-Sep-12 08:55:51

I'm in! Have lost my 5lb holiday weight gain and am 170lb but want to be 147 by Christmas.

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 08:56:50


<slinks in> me, Im in.

going on holiday with my 3 friends (super slinky) and I am not.

I am trying, but not hard enough.

I have lost a couple of the pounds gained during summer holidays in Scotland so that is a good thing, but we have been socialising a LOT lately and I think I might become a recluse for a while.

Im in. I need shouting at. I did lose a bit of weight but a bloody family crisis has made me put it all back on.

This is the first time ive tried dieting alongside MN though so hopefully it will work hmm

toysoldiers Tue 18-Sep-12 09:08:36

I'm in! Joined boot camp before the summer hols but then it all went wrong. - so I may still be on the spreadsheet. wink

Have been Briffaring for 10 days now and lost 6lbs. DH has also joined me and lost 10.

Think by 1st October I will need a jolt in my motivation so this could be the very thing.

Pretty sure I need to tackle the dairy thing

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 09:12:22

Don't worry, Magic, I will be doing lots of shouting grin

Welcome back Jax and toysoldiers! We can do this.

NigellasGuest Tue 18-Sep-12 10:01:34

is this do-able without exercising particularly? (my target - to lose a stone)

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 10:04:58

Yes. Absolutely.

From everything I've read, exercise can help, but only minimally. Around 85% is diet, 15% is exercise.

You have to work really, really hard to burn off lots of calories. So far better, if you can't devote the time to that amount of exercise, to focus on your diet.

The other thing is, you don't have to wait until 1 October. You could start Bootcamp now. Including this week, there are 14 weeks until Christmas - a pound a week would be your stone!

Levantine Tue 18-Sep-12 10:41:22

Do i need to buy the briffa book?

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 10:43:00

No - but if you can borrow it, it's a very good read. It's a really good idea, if you're low carbing for the first time, to have some idea of the theory behind it. As well as Briffa's book, I would also suggest getting hold of any/all of the following:

Dr Atkins "The New Diet Revolution"
Dr Charles Clark "The New High Protein Diet"
India Knight/Neris Thomas "The Idiot Proof Diet"

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 10:43:47

Oh, if you have a Kindle, Escape the Diet Trap is currently selling for £3.99

Creamtea1 Tue 18-Sep-12 11:21:25

Back in, half a stone by end November would be great

NigellasGuest Tue 18-Sep-12 11:48:02

That's great news for me, BIWI. I had no idea the percentages were that weighted towards diet. Why do you exercise so much, just outof interest? Is it because it makes you feel so much better? For general health, presumably?

Right - I think I am going to start my LBD Bootcamp now as you suggest. Exactly 14 weeks with a week = a lb. Even I can do the maths here!

topsi Tue 18-Sep-12 12:25:58

eeek, marking my place. Have been low carbing for a couple of months now with good effect but will try and boot camp for a couple of weeks.
I need to cut out my berries and nuts and cut down on lovely cheese for a while.

ihatethecold Tue 18-Sep-12 13:27:52

im going to struggle to not eat any fruit!
whats the rule with dairy. milk-skimmed? semi skimmed? whole?
low fat cottage cheese?

can i really live on eggs for 2 weeks grin

LegArmpits Tue 18-Sep-12 13:48:40

Biwi, I've lurked on your threads for about three months. The upshot is I've lost over a stone since June. I'm the lightest I've been since I had kids, and am now a size 12 as opposed to tight 16 in May!! I feel bloody brilliant and I can't thank you enough!
I've only ever really done boot camp light, cut down on alcohol (mostly just swapped beer for whiskey!) but it clearly works. Am now maintaining at 10st (from 11st 4) BUT want to lose another half stone. That's it then, I'm my target weight. So will kick start again on Oct 1st.

Every time I try new clothes on I think of you!! (have some of these xxxx)

poorbuthappy Tue 18-Sep-12 13:57:16

Marking my place for a proper read later
1 question, do you managed to eat with your family doing this???

NigellasGuest Tue 18-Sep-12 14:07:31

full fat milk
No low fat anything! Must be full fat. Low fat is full of carbs. Full fat is full of - erm - fat. Which is good.

NigellasGuest Tue 18-Sep-12 14:12:02

poorbuthappy - I find it easy to eat with my family doing this.

For example, a roast dinner at the weekend: we had roast pork. I had everything except the potatoes and yorkshire puddings (yes we are weird we have yorkshire puds with any kind of roast, not just beef)! I just make sure the gravy doesn't have flour, or if it does, I don't have gravy. I also don't eat the peas. But loads of meat and veg - really filling. And sliced celariac roasted with the potatoes around the joint is delicious - tastier than potatoes. It seems to taste kind of starchy but in a good way - not how you'd imagine celeriac. I'm rambling now.

Ilovemyteddy Tue 18-Sep-12 14:43:12

Celeriac is absolutely yummy! The celeriac dauphinoise recipe in the IPD book is to die for, and makes a lovely accompaniment to a roast dinner, particularly if you have guests cos it looks like you've made an effort grin

I went for a health check today and I am almost in the normal zone for body fat - woohoo!!! Cholesterol still at 4.5 - double woohoo!
It's hard to believe that by eating fat you can reduce your body fat, but I'm hear to tell you, as if you didn't already know, that's exactly what happens on this WOE. The health professional I saw was a bit hmm about the high-fat content of my diet, but the measurements she took didn't lie. I was dead chuffed.

I would also recommend the Briffa book to those newbies who are LC-ing, and also the Idiot-Proof Diet book, as it deals with the emotional side to eating/over-eating, and really touched a nerve with me.

EwanHoozami Tue 18-Sep-12 14:44:19

Hello - I'm in

Not having sugar cravings is a superb feeling.

tartiflette Tue 18-Sep-12 14:48:36

Hi, right yes am in.
3 or 4 lb have crept on since my holiday in mid August and I would like to get down to 9st once and for all. So about 12lb to lose.
I might start early.

AngieAir Tue 18-Sep-12 15:04:52

I've maintained over the summer despite weekly cake & rice blush. Would like to lose another 5-7kg to get into middle of normal BMI and my lovely jeans.

Need some breakfast ideas as rush to get out of house for train but then have leisurely half hour in canteen before starting work. Will take cream for coffee but what to eat?

teaandthorazine Tue 18-Sep-12 15:27:55

Yep, I'm in, of course! Having lost the greater part of 2 stone with a low-carb WOE and Bootcamp specifically, I know this works like a dream. Things have gone a bit pear-shaped in the last week or so but nothing too serious. (I am typing this whilst eating Dairy Milk though blush)

AngelAir - does your work canteen do a cooked breakfast? Scrambled eggs and some bacon would work!

teaandthorazine Tue 18-Sep-12 15:28:25

God, sorry AngieAir... blush I've not had a lot of sleep, sorry!

AngieAir Tue 18-Sep-12 17:28:04

Hi Tea yes it does. Will look at cost. As long as I avoid the hash browns that could work. Fortunately I'm completely cured of bread/toast desire. Was also thinking along lines of some sort of egg muffin or breakfast tortilla.

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 17:33:16

LegArmpit - thanks

Nigella - I exercise so much because of my age. I realised I was starting to do that little 'ouf' and groan when getting out of a chair blush, and that was generally stiffening up and massively unfit. Obviously I hope it will help with the weight loss, but I have always known that exercise alone wouldn't do the job.

BIWI Tue 18-Sep-12 20:26:09

poorbuthappy all our meals are eaten together. I just don't have the carb component of the meal - last night, for example, we had marinated, baked salmon (marinated in sesame oil, garlic, ginger, lime juice, soy sauce and five spice powder), with stir fried veg (onion, mange tout, baby sweetcorn, chilli, mushrooms, beansprouts) and noodles. I had it without the noodles. There were plenty of beansprouts, so it was no hardship! Tonight we have had salads - roasted vegetables (peppers, leeks, courgettes, cauliflower), tomato and mozzarella with basil, green salad with vinaigrette, stuffed hard boiled eggs and garlic bread. I had some of everything except the garlic bread.

If I make a meal which is based around carbs, e.g. a risotto or a lasagne, I have something completely different - which tends to mean that I avoid cooking these kinds of dishes, as I'm not really interested in doubling my work in the kitchen!

Lorelilee Tue 18-Sep-12 21:16:45

Hi all - I need a bit of a kickstart (STS for 3 wks), so I'm in!

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Tue 18-Sep-12 21:45:36

Am looking forward to this but I might have to cheat on my birthday (7th October). Will drink gallons of water, though - it's lucky I'm bf and off the booze.

AuntieMaggie Tue 18-Sep-12 22:06:16

I'm in toooooo grin

SpeckleDust Tue 18-Sep-12 22:11:03

Same here as LegArmpit - never really did the Bootcamp Low Carbing but dabbled over the school summer hols as a way of maintaining my weight when not exercising. I was totally surprised to drop nearly half a stone in 2 weeks and stay there for the last 5 weeks or so with hardly any effort.

I think removing the bread, pasta, spuds and (most) sweet treat-type things have made a huge difference for me. Well, that and the fact that I LOVE this WOE. I had pork steak stroganoff with celeriac & swede mash and steamed savoy cabbage for dinner tonight. It was totally delicious and I am stuffed grin <trying to keep quiet about the glass of red wine, but meh, I'm maintaining now>

Thinking about doing Boitcamp to see if I could drop below 9 stone before Christmas - now that would be a great present to myself smile

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Wed 19-Sep-12 08:18:05

Tartiflette, I want to be 9 stone or less and I also have about 12lbs to lose - snap! Weighed in at 9 stone 11.75 this morning. SpeckleDust, being below 9 stone would be brilliant!

I have been reading IPD and although I walk, I don't do any other exercise. Walking the dog on very hilly terrain carrying 19lbs or so of baby in the sling has been fine so far, but I've now lost about 20lbs and am worried about my saggy tummy. sad So I am making a resolution to Shred for the month of October. That lets me off the hook for the next 2 weeks instead of always having this nagging feeling that I should be getting on with it! grin

GoldenOrangeWhippoorwhill Wed 19-Sep-12 09:13:28

I'm in!

Is it ok if my dress isn't black? grin I picked up the most beautiful wine coloured dress from the sale rail at TK Maxx. It had clearly been there for a number of years and having peeled off all the price stickers it appears to have been reduced from their original price of £130 to... wait for it... £6!!!!! It needs a few beads resewing but apart from that it is perfect. I'm crazy short with big boobs and always have trouble with dresses but this one hits on the knee where it's meant to and the arm holes and neckline are just right. It could have been made for me, or rather made for me about half a stone or so lighter.

I am determined to wear it this Christmas. It will be the first one in years where I've not been wearing a tent.

BIWI Wed 19-Sep-12 10:10:15

That sounds lovely, Whipporwhill!

Another one joining the 'almost there but would love to weigh 9 stone or less'!

TooImmature - I think we will let you off on your birthday grin

queribus Wed 19-Sep-12 12:37:37

I'm in as well, although half term will be tricky.

obrigada Wed 19-Sep-12 12:39:48

Count me in, have started low carbing today, current weight 12st 7.5lbs ..

captainmummy Wed 19-Sep-12 12:50:52

Wasn't going to join ( just lurk) as I'm now 9.3 and only want to lose that 3lb - but if you lot are going for under 9st then I will too! I didn;t want to derail anyone by hitting target only 2 weeks in <deluded...>

Thegoddessblossom Wed 19-Sep-12 13:33:38

same here Captain Mummy. i only want to lose 3-4 pounds. So will join for that.

SkaffenAmtiskaw Wed 19-Sep-12 13:34:23

Hi all, I will join you if I may. I did bootcamp last year (with a different nickname) and then carried on low-carbing in a very relaxed way. I still managed to lose 8kg in about 4 months, which is not very fast but a rate I'm happy with.

I'm still low-carbing to an extent but have become more and more relaxed, so bootcamp will help me get back on the straight and narrow!


BIWI Thu 20-Sep-12 08:19:50

I'm gathering various bits and pieces of info to post at the start of the LBC Bootcamp, for anyone who might be a newbie to low carbing. If anyone has any interesting stuff - links especially - can you post them here for me, please?

Oh, and if anyone sees FiddleDeFat on your way round the boards, could you point her in this direction? We need our Spreadsheet Meister to help with the SOM!

dear lord, my eating is just awful at the moment. I need to get a serious grip otherwise instead of tubby I am going to be lardy ass, better call greenpeace when I am away with the slinky girls. Doesnt help that my back is awful at the moment and I want 'comfort' food. sad

BIWI give me a gentle kick up the 'arris.

tartiflette Thu 20-Sep-12 12:26:25

jax I am the same sad

tartiflette Thu 20-Sep-12 12:28:53

TooImmature, like the month of Oct exercise blast idea, think I will do same (but with my nice tame Callanetics vid- too chicken for Shred). 9st here we come!

TellMeLater Thu 20-Sep-12 14:24:33

I will join you ladies, I did the original bootcamp too, but I am a serial name changer. blush
I'll be fasting twice a week and skipping breakfast some days. But will try to stick to the other rules. I only have 2-3kg to lose but they are very resistant. Will be exercising frequently too...I feel fitter at 40 than I ever have, wish I'd had time for doing this before now, eating well and exercising feels great.

NigellasGuest Thu 20-Sep-12 14:37:57

We should have a pre-Christmas meet-up all wearing our amazing LBDs!! grin

topsi Thu 20-Sep-12 17:59:52

OMG did not realise how carby salted roasted cashews were! Roasted peanuts were half the value. Plain almonds were much less also. I thought peanuts were to be avoided. Any one got advice as to which nuts are the lowest in carbs please? (I hate macadmia by the way)
Obviously will be avoiding all nuts during boot camp! (stands to attention and salutes emoticon)

Thegoddessblossom Thu 20-Sep-12 18:13:04


Im thinking its breakfast im going to struggle with as currently I either have:
cornflakes, toast, crumpets, or a bacon and egg sandwich.

I can only eat the egg cant I sad

needs more willpower

halfthesize Thu 20-Sep-12 21:16:15

Fantastic idea Nigella

NotMostPeople Thu 20-Sep-12 21:27:07

Hi, a Bootcamp original here. I've been floating around 10 and a half stone ever since the children broke up for the summer. Whilst I still see myself as a low carber I regularly eat things that I shouldn't. I'd like to loose a bit more so a fresh start and a bit of BIWI will do me the world of good.

Thegoddessblossom Thu 20-Sep-12 22:03:28

Waves at nmp!!

BIWI Fri 21-Sep-12 08:53:19

Which bit of me would you like? grin

rubyrubyruby Fri 21-Sep-12 08:58:07

All of you aiming for under 9 stone. How thin will you be then? What size?

I would look really ill at that weight. Is it a height/age thing I wonder.

halfthesize Fri 21-Sep-12 09:16:40

ruby I am 8st 11lb today but when I started this woe back in April, with the help of BIWI I was 10st 1lb and I am only 5ft 3inch. (I'm 38)

My goal weight is 8st 5lbssmile My goal has changed as I've lost weight. I think its very dependant on your height, build and what you want to be. Its more about how you lookgrin

LaVitaBellissima Fri 21-Sep-12 09:22:03

I would ideally like to be 9stone, I am 10st 4 at the moment, I am really flat chested though so no boob weight.
At 9st I'd be an 8 on top and a 10 on the bottom. It's my bottom, thighs that bother me to be honest and I need to be slim to look in proportion I think.

LaVitaBellissima Fri 21-Sep-12 09:22:45

I'm 5ft 6 and 32 smile

newplan Fri 21-Sep-12 09:34:04

I haven't lost any weight this week but according to my scales my body fat composition has gone down.

So I'm taking that as a good thing smile.

At the moment, my breakfast is yoghurt and berries and I do eat nuts as a snack.

May change these on boot camp. I definitely find breakfast the hardest and eggs for breakfast makes me miserable sad.

newplan Fri 21-Sep-12 09:34:25

Just realised I've name changed. Will change back blush

BIWI Fri 21-Sep-12 10:48:37

May change?! Will HAVE TO change on Bootcamp! grin

Ruby - I'm 5ft 2in. I was 8 stone 11lbs when I got married and that was half a stone heavier than I wanted to be. However, I am a different shape since having children and seem to be able to carry a bit more weight. So 9 stones is probably as low as I need to go. Assuming I can ever wrestle my inner fatty into sufficient submission!!

rubyrubyruby Fri 21-Sep-12 11:12:16

Thanks for replies.

I'm 5ft 5" - 10 stone is my upper limit and 9st 7 is my lower limit. I'm a size 10 - sometimes need a 12 for boobage. I'm almost 50 though and would look quite gaunt if I weighed less. I have always exercised and am quite muscular so I suppose this makes a difference.

i'm 5'7" and my fighting weight is 9st - 9st 7lb, but i'm trying to build up muscle at the moment, so weight will likely increase a bit but in a positive way

i also tend to carry weight on hips and thighs, which i hate, so i'm happy to look a little scrawnier on top if it means my thighs are in better proportion (this may change as i get older...!)

You know i'm up for it! Bring on the big stick BIWI lols (well hopefully u wont need to!) grin

My weight today is 86.7 kilos i've still only lost a stone since i started, which i know is still got but i've still got another 2 stone to lose to be at my ideal smile

i've been doing alot more walking and im going to have to start getting very strict now to prepare for this bootcamp!!

tartiflette Sat 22-Sep-12 07:21:56

Ruby, I would be an 8-10 at 9st. Am smaller on top so there is a risk of scrawniness if I were to go lower, although frankly it's a price I'm willing to pay in order to slim my legs into submission... Am 5ft 5 and 35.

Ilovemyteddy Sat 22-Sep-12 07:47:44

Woohoo! Just got on the scales and I'm 167.6lb. So that's 56.8lb lost now. 4 stones! Woohoo! Only 20.6lb to go. I can do this!

EyesDoMoreThanSee Sat 22-Sep-12 08:05:33

Good morning good morning

I am here for bootcamp! I did do it before the summer but two tummy bugs did send me back to carbs.

Aiming to lose just under a stone, I'm 5'8 and currently 11.7, would like to be 10.10 by December . Haven't owned a party LBD for several years but may have to keep my eyes peeled in the shops.

I'm definitely not meant to be under 10stone, 10.4 makes me look ill and washed out. 10.7 would be my absolute lowest.

I will for the October meal plan today as I find that's the only way I can LC, usually eggs for breakfast and some sort of LC soup for lunch

rubyrubyruby Sat 22-Sep-12 09:06:37

Wow ilovemyteddy

Week Done !!!!

TellMeLater Sat 22-Sep-12 09:20:55

I bought a little black dress in Primark and it is very little indeed - size 10, so I better be committed or that'll be be a waste of £12!

rubyrubyruby Sat 22-Sep-12 11:02:48


That should be well done (predictive txt)

Ilovemyteddy Sat 22-Sep-12 11:20:43

Thanks Ruby smile

Thegoddessblossom Sat 22-Sep-12 12:11:38

My ideal weight would be 8.5. I would be an 8 below and a 10 on top at this weight although am quite booby with no bum and slim legs. I would be very slim at this weight however, so I don't know if friends and family would agree that is a good weight for me.

I would be very happy to stay at 9 stone bang on, so that's a pound off what I am now, and the lowest I have been for years. Usually hover between 9 3 and 9 6. I am 5 foot 4 and 37.

Wow love it when people say how many stones they have lost, this woe is really changing people's lives isn't?

DameEnidsOrange Sat 22-Sep-12 12:25:50

Thank you for this thread BIWI - I'm in.

I followed a couple early on this year, fell off the wagon several times, but caught myself in the mirror this morning unprepared, and got a shock as to how much I have enjoyed the summer

sybilfaulty Sat 22-Sep-12 13:01:03

Eyes, I think I am very similar to you, in that I am also 5' 8 and weigh about 11st 11 ish now I think. I am amazed by how little some of you weigh. I am aiming for 10st 13 but I've never been that low for my adult life. I am currently wearing a 12 all over (similar to you Bloss with slim legs, no bum but big boobs) and would be amazed if I could wear a 10. Still all things are possible, eh? Bring it on.

HumphreyCobbler Sat 22-Sep-12 14:37:02

I am five two and would like to weigh 8.5 too Thegoddessblossom. I stopped weighing myself as it never seems to change (I was about 9.3 last time I weighed) and I guess from my clothes I am about 9 now.

It is great that I seem to be maintaining, although it is all guesswork on my part! I simply don't dare weigh myself in case I am heavier than I think I am as I suspect I would then spiral down into self hatred sad. At least by not weighing I am just sticking to the diet as best I can. Although I do get a little disheartened that I am not thinner as I really do stick to it most of the time. No nuts, no fruit, and about 20g of carbs a day. I am working up to cutting out cheese totally on bootcamp as I think this may make a difference. <hopes> I will find it hard to live without the cheese.

LaVitaBellissima Sat 22-Sep-12 15:14:22

ruby do you have twins?

pixiestix Sat 22-Sep-12 15:30:07

I'm in. I'm slightly panicked as this woe goes against everything I have ever told myself blush but I know it makes sense and I need to do this. I lost three stone with SW two years ago and slowly but surely its all creeping back on. sad

wordfactory Sat 22-Sep-12 15:47:43

Can I join.

I'm not hugely more than I'd ike to be, but have a lifestyle that means I'm often putting on a few pounds (several holidays a year, lots of meals out, parties etc) and have made no effort to lose my recent gains.

I need to get ahead for xmas season which is bound to involve weight gain.

My troubke is I love food. I love cooking. We all do in casa wordfactory.

I'm goinbg to need inspiration for meals!!! If everyone could post ideas that would be fabulous.

BIWI Sat 22-Sep-12 16:19:55

Wordfactory - there is a Bootcamp recipe thread with some great ideas on it - I'm on my phone so can't link but if someone else could, that would be very helpful!

I am with my family this weekend and my food has not been great hmm. We went for a curry last and I did avoid the rice, but that's all blush

Today involved sandwiches and chips ...

Ilovemyteddy Sat 22-Sep-12 18:40:21
Ilovemyteddy Sat 22-Sep-12 18:43:24

Yes! Recipe thread ^^ Wordfactory

Sorry to hear about the food, BIWI mmm crisps

I was on a training course yesterday where we traditionally get sandwiches and crisps and I usually end up eating the insides of a couple of sandwiches. I asked if there was any way they could get me something low-carb and a lovely person came back with a GORGEOUS plateful of salad and cold cuts. My colleagues were envy

Liveinthepresent Sat 22-Sep-12 19:31:57

Can I join too please - I have lurked a lot, read Briffa and had a couple of attempts that have just petered out despite seeing early results have caved in when tired or when scales not moved for a week or more....
Nothing in my wardrobe makes me feel good. - need to lose 10lbs by Christmas - half a stone by my birthday mid November would be wonderful.
Can't wait - I definitely need to be shouted at!

EyesDoMoreThanSee Sat 22-Sep-12 20:01:55

liveinthepresent re the shouting BIWI has a great big stick


BIWI Sat 22-Sep-12 20:04:52


Heartstart Sat 22-Sep-12 20:18:43

I'm in and booked for Briffa

Liveinthepresent Sat 22-Sep-12 20:54:11

Eyes I know - and I already know exactly what she will be getting the stick out for with me - wine and nuts - but if it gets rid of some lbs I can handle it!

Shagmundfreud Sat 22-Sep-12 20:57:04

Hi all
I'm joining. I've been low carving for a fortnight already and have lost........ Half a stone smile.

This week I aim to cut down on caffeine, which I understand is linked to higher levels of insulin release.

I'm now 11st 5 and intend to get down to 10 stone. I'm 5.6 tall. Need to start exercising this week.

Shagmundfreud Sat 22-Sep-12 20:57:41

Low carbing that is.....

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 10:26:37

Oooh Heartstart - look forward to meeting you!

halfthesize Sun 23-Sep-12 16:42:50

Well done ilovemyteddy thats fantasticgrin

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 17:24:34

Absolutely brilliant, ilovemyteddy!

Ilovemyteddy Sun 23-Sep-12 17:39:53

Thank you!

I've only lost the weight because I'm afraid of *BIWI* and her big stick


AitchTwoOhOneTwo Sun 23-Sep-12 17:41:12

okay, BIWI, i'm in. am keen to feel better this christmas than i did last...

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Sun 23-Sep-12 17:44:45

although i think i am to have ankle op in oct and will be immobile... perhaps shredding in bed?

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 17:45:40

Yay! Welcome, Aitch. Sorry to hear about the op, though.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Sun 23-Sep-12 17:46:48

och, it should be fine. remember when i jiggered it last oct? it's still that. ligament repair.

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 17:48:21

Was that in your bike accident?

ohforfoxsake Sun 23-Sep-12 17:48:44

ilovemyteddy - that is amazing! Well done!!

I am in for the boot camp, but have started as going on hols in 4 weeks. grin

Ilovemyteddy Sun 23-Sep-12 17:59:52

I've posted a couple of 'before' and 'during' photos on my profile. The 'after' one will hopefully be posted by 31st December grin

Sorry I've cut my head off (scaredy cat who's paranoid about being recognised!)

Doshusallie Sun 23-Sep-12 18:02:42

I love my teddy I can't see your profile..... (name changer here)

Ilovemyteddy Sun 23-Sep-12 18:04:37

Sorry - I've just changed the settings - try again.

Doshusallie Sun 23-Sep-12 18:08:11

Looking good ilove!!! grin

sybilfaulty Sun 23-Sep-12 18:10:01

Wow, Teddy, looking good, Lady! Inspirational!

Ilovemyteddy Sun 23-Sep-12 18:40:26

Thank you.

Doshusallie who were you before the namechange? Don't answer if you don't want to.

That before pic of me isn't the most shocking one that I have, but the worst one isn't on my pc. A colleague saw the HUGE one recently and was just shock shock shock She works with me every day and yet can't remember me ever looking like that. Strange, isn't it?

TellMeLater Sun 23-Sep-12 18:52:31

Well done teddy!

captainmummy Sun 23-Sep-12 19:01:32

Bad bad day today - had Far too much wine last night, and really only a slice of toasted seedy bread and Jam would work this morning. Then made a lovely lentil soup for lunch so have had the weeks carbs already!

Chicken and lettuce for dinner. Back on it now, andstill feel crap/hungover at 7pm!

topsi Sun 23-Sep-12 19:34:02

How would I go about making a low carb water cress soup? I was thinking stock, garlic etc then watercress then blitz then add cream?

Doshusallie Sun 23-Sep-12 19:39:24

Same here captain mummy. You just have to keep eating and eating, you never feel satisfied.

Today I have put away:

Greek yog
4 egg omelette cucumber and celery with mayo
Pork scratchings
Chicken leg
Suede mashed with butter and cream that I made for the dc's tea

Am now in bed to stop myself eating anything else.

Ilove my teddy have pmed you.

BornToShopForcedToWork Sun 23-Sep-12 19:41:39

I can't wait for the LCB to start. I tried to avoid carbs last week and was really strict apart from Friday night where I ate half a pizza and drank wine with my neighbour. However I have lost two lbs since Monday morning.

aroomofherown Sun 23-Sep-12 19:53:19

I'm a lurker. I'd like to join but have a question. I've been eating paleo and VLC for about a month now, with low level cardio (cycling to work) and a few resistance workouts (about twice a week). I was thinner but lost in total only about half a pound. Bastard scales.

Can I join even if I have a few servings of sweet potato or rice a week (because I've decided I feel better with a few carbs)? Please???

And advice if you don't mind...why didn't the weight drop off, even if the size did? I'm still 20 pounds over the upper limit of my healthy weight range so I've got a fair bit to lose. I'm scared of coming on here and following all the rules and being the only one who's not a loser blush

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 20:51:29

Weeeeeeeeeeeell ....

Why would you want to eat sweet potato and rice? You won't feel better with those carbs - and, in any case, you should be getting your carbs from vegetables and salad.

This is why the weight won't be dropping off!

If you don't follow the rules, then you won't lose.

Honestly. If you're still eating sweet potato and rice, then you will not be low carbing.

aroomofherown Sun 23-Sep-12 21:08:27

Ah. I wasn't eating rice, but I was lacking energy despite eating fat etc. I was having a sweet potato a week. And perhaps a few little cheats (like two small celebrations chocolates) about twice a week. And a couple of glasses of wine per week. But no cheating AT ALL for the first two weeks. I don't think I hit ketosis at all during the whole month.

OK I can give up the rice. Can I keep the sweet potato and stack it up as carbs from vegetables? Or is it too starchy?

Is exercise ok?

aroomofherown Sun 23-Sep-12 21:09:29

Ah. I wasn't really eating many veges at all, mostly protein.

aroomofherown Sun 23-Sep-12 21:09:44


BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 21:10:20

No sweet potato! No chocolates and, in Bootcamp, no wine!

If you do that, and follow the Bootcamp rules, you will be in ketosis. Make sure that you c+p the list of allowed veg, and focus on eating those that are 3g carbs per 100g.

Exercise is definitely OK.

catgirl1976 Sun 23-Sep-12 21:11:08

Please may I join? I must lose my baby weight

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 21:15:24

You are more than welcome!

catgirl1976 Sun 23-Sep-12 21:25:23

Yaay smile Thank you x

aroomofherown Sun 23-Sep-12 21:32:50

OK I can do without sweet potato must give away that packet I bought today

What about kale? Am currently scoffing an entire bowl of kale crisps.

SharonGless Sun 23-Sep-12 21:34:02

It sounds really strict but it honestly works and gets your body changed over from using carbs for energy to using fat.
If you cheat at all or stray off the path it won't work as quickly. If you are eating fat too, it just wont work at all as you will be on high fat with carbs.

I am on the downward spiral this week into carb creep. I will not confess all on this thread. However am waiting to get my arse kicked into shape come the 1st October

SharonGless Sun 23-Sep-12 21:34:35

Kale = good

aroomofherown Sun 23-Sep-12 21:39:17

Hurrah! OK I can do this. I must remember to cut back on the onions, the goats milk, the cheese, check the carbs in the mayonnaise. I think that's where I was going wrong. And the chocolate, obviously

Gah I was really cheating a lot! shock

Thanks for the advice thanks

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 21:42:18

Just print out the Bootcamp rules, and the list of allowed veg, and you will be fine - honestly!

also really glad that I'm back at home and can stop cheating

Viperidae Sun 23-Sep-12 21:51:19

I'm back from my hols now and in for the Bootcamp. I also promise to give up the Diet Coke (sob!) although you might need the big stick BIWI!

I decided not to worry about dieting on holiday but felt ENORMOUS the whole time, I think bringing carbs back in made me bloated and sluggish on top of being fat, which was clearly not a good thing.

Willowisp Sun 23-Sep-12 22:00:59

Can I join please ?

Although I've just skim read the Primal diet & devised a week (or maybe 5 days!) of high fat/medium protein/low carb food starting tomorrow.

I'm 5ft 3 & 8st 5, but fatty legs & slim top half. I'm looking to fit into a couple of skirts & skinny jeans. I'm also fed up to the back teeth of being a slave to sugar - I realised that I eat it to sedate myself & I'm fed up with being tired all the time.

Aroomofherown, the advice here is great, but swap the sweet potato to butternut squash & find out the recipe for the celeriac dish mentioned.

I'd actually like to lose 7lbs....

Willowisp Sun 23-Sep-12 22:03:50

Oh yes, aroomofmyown i have ketone strips to test my ketosis (to see if I get there) & will be taking 2 tsp of linseeds because I hate not being able to poo !

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 22:06:26

Don't bother with the ketostix. If you're drinking enough water, then you won't show anything on those sticks. And also, if you're drinking enough water, and eating enough veg/salad, you won't be constipated!

Shagmundfreud Sun 23-Sep-12 22:17:17

Oh dear, the carbs have crept in today.

Breakfast: coffee made with lactose free milk (fewer carbs than ordinary milk and creamier tasting in a latte). One tablespoon of sugar.

4 cherry tomatoes and a chunk of cheese.

Lunch: 2 boiled eggs. Goats cheese and peppers.

Dinner: lamb, peppers, tablespoon hummous, 4 pepperdew peppers.

The peppers have got to go haven't they? And the milk? sad

Tomorrow I'm going to go for cream in my coffee, something green and something fishy. No tomatoes?

Shagmundfreud Sun 23-Sep-12 22:17:59

Whoops - that should read one teaspoon of sugar. Even I don't have enough of a sweet tooth to need a tablespoon of sugar in my coffee!

Willowisp Sun 23-Sep-12 22:18:51

I'll let my body get used to the "new way of eating" first. I started the Nerys Idiotproof diet & was constipated by the fact it i was beyond constipated, I had a week of piles to recover from blush sad

Also keen to reduce my body fact, which is at 27% & cholesterol 4.9

Shagmundfreud Sun 23-Sep-12 22:19:13

Kale crisps. Where can I get them from?

HumphreyCobbler Sun 23-Sep-12 22:23:45

I am going to go back to Bootcamp tomorrow and am writing this as a pledge to myself grin It has all been a bit stressful today and I reverted to emotional eating of cake and toast. It didn't even taste very nice. What a waste.

I will be cutting out cheese and cream as i feel dairy may be stopping my weight loss.

I have a day of teaching this week, there is no way I will be able to drink enough water. I am weeing every twenty minutes at the moment, this is not sustainable in a classroom situation!

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 22:24:19

Yep - the peppers could be a problem. But - the sugar is more of a problem, even if it is only a teaspoon! Also the tomatoes and the hummous.

Willowisp. You can't possibly get constipated on the same evening that you start low carbing! Eat plenty of fat, drink lots of water and make sure you are getting your carbs from veg and salad and not from processed foods.

Willowisp Sun 23-Sep-12 23:06:40

Er, yes I can & did. And with the utmost respect, I know my bowels better than you.

So, linseeds it is smile

Liveinthepresent Sun 23-Sep-12 23:15:50

I am starting to get nervous... No milk? No caffeine?

Oh, I had no idea that haemorrhoids could appear within 8 ours of a change in diet...

* hours not ours

cartblanche Sun 23-Sep-12 23:19:38

OK I'm in (again) I was on a previous bootcamp thread under a different name. Have just lost a stone and need to lose another 3. Been experimenting with Intermittent Fasting (5:2) but feel it's making me lose the discipline for longterm weightloss (may revisit it when I am down to a healthy BMI).

honeytoast Sun 23-Sep-12 23:21:56

I am in

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 23:25:18

Sorry, Willowisp, but that's daft. You may not have been to the loo, but that doesn't mean you are constipated.

Jacaqueen Mon 24-Sep-12 08:31:25

Those still having milk try Lactofree. It has half the carbs of normal milk and I can't tell the difference in my morning cuppa. It does still have carbs so you have to monitor who much you use.

You have to make kale crisps yourself. Get a bag of kale coat in olive oil roast in oven till it starts to go brown, remove and sprinkle with sea salt. Really healthy, low carb and guaranteed to get things moving if you are constipated.

wordfactory Mon 24-Sep-12 09:50:53

I'm going to ease myself into this week.
Have had two eggs scrammbled for breakfast and walked the dog (pouring here).

I've also bioled tow eggs to make a (potato free) nicoise at lunch time.

Is eating all these eggs really healthy? I fear not but hey ho.

ZZZenAgain Mon 24-Sep-12 09:54:52

I've been low carbing as a lifestyle thing since I started in summer but had to take a break yesterday to eat some of dd's birthday cake. It was delicious (if I say so myself) but wow I felt weird afterwards, all shakey and bloated and really felt like vomitting it up. I suppose I am not used to the sugar anymore. There was no weird crap in it or bad eggs, just my body freaking out at the sugar overdose I think.

So now I've had something with a lot of sugar and flour in it, how long would it take my body to readjust and get back into low carb mode? Is it like starting from scratch again or do you swing back into it in a day or so, anyone know?

cathyandclaire Mon 24-Sep-12 09:56:09

Hi! Can I join please? Don't have a huge amount of weight to lose (I'm 5'3, 8st 7 after cutting back and sort of low carb for the last month) but my body fat was just measured at 32%, aaaghhhh! I am nearly a third flab! So I"m trying to lose a bit of weight (5lb or so) but mostly i want to get rid of fat.

Really hoping this with weights at the gym will help. Has anyone checked their body fat and had success?

BIWI Mon 24-Sep-12 10:05:59

wordfactory - no problem with eating eggs at all. Although it might get a bit boring after a while!

ZZZenAgain - if you've been low carbing for a while, you will be ketogenically adapted, i.e. your body has shifted to burning fat rather than carbs. One lapse like yesterday will not suddenly stop this - you will be able to shift back to fat burning pretty quickly.

Welcome, cathyandclaire - great name! I haven't checked my body fat. I didn't want to know blush!

After much messing about on my behalf... I am restarting bootcamp here, today!

I must say im nervous as ive noticed this past week how much of an emotional eater i actually am... So i need to keep it in check!! Any tips???

BIWI Mon 24-Sep-12 10:20:52

Make sure you don't get hungry - this should help. And if you're low carbing properly, then you should keep your appetite in check. Emotional eating is, I know, a different matter - but if you know what your triggers are, that helps - and just make sure that if you do eat anything, that it's low carb. So get rid of anything that you're likely to go for if it's too high in carbs. Make sure you don't have any biscuits/chocolate/sweets, or whatever, in the house!

captainmummy Mon 24-Sep-12 12:40:36

Well I paid for my carb n wine blow-out this weekend by being 1.5 lb up this week dammit.

Actually fasting today so no breakfast, lettuce and chicken for lunch.

OrangeKat Mon 24-Sep-12 12:47:56

Yes please, I think I'd like to join and I'll bring dh with me too.
We're doing well with the lifestyle change but we're starting to suffer the carb-creep so a couple of hardcore weeks should help to put it back .
I think I've lost between 1 1/2 and 2 stone over the summer ( not weighing myself otherwise I obsess too much) and I'd like to get another 1/2 stone off.

Themumsnot Mon 24-Sep-12 13:56:06

Can I join? I have four stone to lose - I cut out wheat and sugar two weeks ago and have lost six pounds already, but bootcamp seems like the way to go.

BIWI Mon 24-Sep-12 14:04:30

Welcome, OrangeKat and Themumsnot!

CaptainMugwash Mon 24-Sep-12 14:39:13


Can I please join? I lost 7lb low carbing in January but put it all back on, and I know I feel so ill when I eat wheat. The trouble I find is I don't plan ahead and have suitable meals / snacks ready, so I end up getting over hungry and scoffing a sandwich or giving in when my 'carott cake & cappuccino klaxon' goes off at 4pm! I have just started working again and need a proper plan for my food, I feel so cold all the time though and salads at lunch aren't appealing atm. Is there any low carb soups we can have? Ready made if possible as cooking time is limited while I build my business up. I also need to stop it with the wine. Seriously, it is just silly and the cause of my pot belly, but it tastes sooo goood!

Welcome to the newbies grin

BIWI thanks for the advice!! Ill have to stick up on low carb snacks- must get some more pork scratchings!!
I do stock the crisps and choc biccies because DP and the boys all eat it.. So i just need to teach myself to stay off it :/

BornToShopForcedToWork Mon 24-Sep-12 15:57:22

Does anybody of you have a weight loss blog? I've just started mine but would like to know if others write one too. NJ

BIWI Mon 24-Sep-12 16:10:12

I have thought about it - but don't know when I'd find the time, in between MN, facebook, Twitter ... grin

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 24-Sep-12 16:10:54

I'm in wine

noddyholder Mon 24-Sep-12 16:56:40

I'm in need to lose some have had a greedy summer and can't seem to get back on track. Have started several times this month and then gave up so this will motivate me!

Willowisp Mon 24-Sep-12 17:34:55

Biwi, your gonna love this - but seeing as you are interested, the poo won't come out. I've actually been in hospital with it. (now you know me intimately blush )

Anyway, back to today...bought macadamiese (sp?) babybel (instead of satsuma) & about to throw together low carb tea. (Apparently I look dreadful, but maybe because I have no make-up on). Feel fine though, just had a brisk walk, as was feeling chilly BUT no energy slump - thank goodness !

BIWI Mon 24-Sep-12 18:27:31

Thank you for sharing, Willowisp grin

Keep the fat levels up, and also the water - both should help.

WineGless Mon 24-Sep-12 18:28:49

What veg are you having willowisp?

Twirls round with her new name-anyone recognize me?!

Doshusallie Mon 24-Sep-12 18:35:23

Loving that WineGless! I see what you did there! Inspired. grin

I am now the proud owner of 2 enormous buckets of Lidl greek style yoghurt.

aroomofherown Mon 24-Sep-12 18:39:28

CaptainMugwash I get ill on wheat too. And weirdly my back aches when I eat wheat, but doesn't when I don't. And I get sluggish. Ugh.

Kale crisps (my new treat instead of buttery popcorn): Buy a packet of kale, put in plastic bag with olive oil and cover it all, spread on a baking tray, add salt and bake for 10 mins. Incredibly delicious.

Willowisp thanks for the tips! Will check out the celeriac mash and squash.

Doshusallie Mon 24-Sep-12 19:22:23

A room - for the stupid among us (me) - I assume you take the kale out of the plastic bag before putting in oven? This is a genuine question....

BIWI Mon 24-Sep-12 19:35:27

grin Unless you're a fan of melted plastic, I would say you should remove it from said bag!

Just made a fabulous (if I say so myself) mash - half a small cauliflower, (broken into florets), half a small celeriac (chopped into inch-square cubes), a couple of leeks (sliced), all boiled until tender, then mashed with a hand blender. Add large lump of butter and a bit of cream - season well with sea salt and black pepper.

aroomofherown Mon 24-Sep-12 19:35:51

Yes, it's quite a good idea wink. Just put them in the bag to coat the kale leaves then take them out and spread them on the baking tray. Try them, they are so incredibly moreish, the first time I tried them I couldn't put the bowl down and ate the whole thing before breakfast!

noddyholder Mon 24-Sep-12 19:44:38

I need to get supplies in! I have fallen off the wagon quite spectacularly the last few days I feel quite ill with all the rubbish!

Doshusallie Mon 24-Sep-12 19:55:48

Thanks will try those. You may jest but made a nigella cake once and she clearly says in her recipe to keep it in the clingfilm "don't worry it won't melt!" says she. It did. Later editions of the recipe book say take it out of the clingfilm.....

TellMeLater Mon 24-Sep-12 20:02:48

Kale crisps - how did that one pass me by?

aroomofherown Mon 24-Sep-12 20:04:43

grin Dosh

I must say the wine is going down particularly well this evening. Quite glad that we are starting in October.

halfthesize Mon 24-Sep-12 20:31:48

BIWI that mash sounds scrummygrin

Also loving the idea of kale crisps.....

MessyMoo Mon 24-Sep-12 20:38:07

Boot Camp is what I need - I'm in!

I'm in so am marking my place. I lost half a stone doing this before my hols in August but lost my motivation sad. I really need to lose 2 stone and would love to do this by Christmas

aroomofherown Mon 24-Sep-12 20:43:23

HavingAnOffDay that's my aim too! 2 stone by Christmas. Slightly terrified that it won't work for me for some reason.

Doshusallie Mon 24-Sep-12 22:46:49

No wine here. 2 day hangovers are a good deterrent.

MessyMoo Mon 24-Sep-12 23:07:41

What is the average weightloss being aimed for? I need to lose a lot but every little helps

Shagmundfreud Mon 24-Sep-12 23:17:17

Not sure I'm going to be able to ditch my morning coffee.

If I have it with cream it won't sabotage the diet too much surely?

Themumsnot Mon 24-Sep-12 23:41:36

So have I got this right:
No coffee/Diet Coke
No fruit
No alcohol
No rice
Already given up wheat and sugar.
What else can't I have?

sybilfaulty Tue 25-Sep-12 06:13:19

Mumsnot, you can't have potatoes, pasta, couscous or bread either. However, the wealth of stuff you CAN have will compensate for this and you won't miss any of them in a very short space of time smile

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 06:19:20

You don't have to exclude coffee, Shagmund - I never have. However, some books will tell you that caffeine has an impact on insulin levels, some say it doesn't - so you'll have to see how it affects you. Better to drink it with cream as there are fewer carbs - but again, I've not stopped drinking coffee with milk. I try to restrict it to two cups a day.

TellMeLater Tue 25-Sep-12 06:33:54

Sadly I won't be joining you all in lbdbc because amazingly I have hit target - after 7 weeks of trying to cloy back the weight I gained through too many holidays and meals out and bloody kids being off school - I'll blame anyone or anything!
I have lost all the weight in a week - was 64.6kg last Monday after a massive carb blow out at the weekend - am 60.3kg today. I have stalled for ages around 63kg and then it all comes off in a week?!!! It's not just water either my measurements are back down again.
I will still be hanging around lurking, sharing recipes, cheering you all on from the sidelines especially the newbies who may all be a little nervous of giving up their comfort food and a bit scared of BIWI. There will be times when you stall and you think it's not working but the big loss will be just around the corner - sometimes 7 weeks around the corner.

sybilfaulty Tue 25-Sep-12 07:43:15

Wow, Tellme, that's brilliant. Well done to you .

halfthesize Tue 25-Sep-12 08:20:48

Congrats TellMe thats fab x

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 08:57:43

TellMeLater - that's fantastic! And also very interesting. I had stuck around the same weight for ages - went on holiday, had a two week carb fest, and then on return dropped 2lbs within the next two weeks.

Stick around, though, and give the rest of us help and support, won't you?

Levantine Tue 25-Sep-12 09:04:30

My copy of the Idiot Proof Diet arrived yesterday - it's quite exciting - I like the way they talk about that mental shift you have to make before you get going on a diet.

Do I really need to buy all the supplements they recommend? I've got a good multivitamin. I have wondered about chromium before as it is supposed to control sugar cravings isn't it.

Jacaqueen Tue 25-Sep-12 09:29:46

Don't give up coffee unless you want to.

I am another one looking for a 2 stone loss. I managed to lose 26 lbs in 11 weeks when I joined the first Bootcamp back in April. No reason I can't do the same again.

Carb loading is a well used method of trying to trick the body out of a plateau. You eat carbs for a set period of time. Could be a few hours or a few weeks. You gain weight which will mostly be water. Then you cut the carbs severely, lose the water weight and hopefully jolt your body into fat burning mode again. You need to be disciplined though.

Pippa1964 Tue 25-Sep-12 09:38:45

Hello bootcampers - I'm in. Need to lose at least a stone and by Christmas would be fab. See you on the 1st....x

cathyandclaire Tue 25-Sep-12 10:07:10

Well done Tellme, we can think of you when the scales are refusing to budge and be inspired!
Do you mind me asking, what are you going to eat now? Still low carb (but with wine and choc wink) or back to a bit of everything?

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Sep-12 10:08:57

Hello. I have started early - no cheese or cream or dark chocolate yesterday. Feel thinner already wink

Am gutted though, I thought runner beans were really carby and have been avoiding our ENORMOUS glut of them, annoying my DH in the extreme due to the efforts he went to grow them in this dismal summer, only to find that I could have been eating them all the time....

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Sep-12 10:11:01

Yes Tellme, that is very inspiring. It is SO worth sticking with this diet. I don't think I am losing weight that fast, but when I think what happens re GAINING weight when I am eating bread and sugar it keeps me on the straight and narrow.

Doshusallie Tue 25-Sep-12 10:24:00

well done Tell me. I wish I would have a whoosh - I have been stuck between the same 3 pounds for months and months and months...

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Sep-12 10:26:34

me too Doshusallie.

TellMeLater Tue 25-Sep-12 10:30:05

Thanks for the congrats! smile

Cathy I'll continue to low carb, I love the food and I sleep better without carbs, will also continue to fast twice a week, potentially going to once a week if I lose too much weight. Will continue to train as well - I feel more fit and toned than any other time in my life and I'm over 40!

I will still be hanging around BIWI cheering you guys on and reminding you that this works, sometimes you just need to be patient.

Off to post an amazing pancake recipe...feel like I've died and gone to heaven it tasted so bloody good!

TellMeLater Tue 25-Sep-12 10:33:18

humphrey and dosh if you've been low carbing for a while, maybe you should kick start your boot camp by having a carb fest before hand...might work - who knows, weight loss is all bloody just makes no sense.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Sep-12 10:35:07

ooh, I tried that on Sunday!! unintentionally

I find stories like yours terribly inspiring, well done smile

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Sep-12 10:35:50

oh god, perhaps I should try fasting

I really don't fancy that much tbh

Spamspamspam Tue 25-Sep-12 10:40:14

Hello all I am in AGAIN! Lost 2 stone last year and went from 13.3 to 11.3 - I felt fantastic but really wanted to lose another half a stone taking me to 10.10 which should be a size 12 (am 5'7") however I have messed around all this year and find myself up again to 12stone and all the lovely clothes I bought last year are starting to feel tight - grrrr

I am amazed at how light some of you are!! But I shouldn't worry about that - just focus on my own goals grin.

Scrambled eggs and smoke salmon for breakfast.
Curried Cauliflower soup for lunch
Definately getting some kale to make kale crisps for snacks
Slow Roasted lamb with veggies for dinner

NO WINE, NO CHOCOLATE, NO NUTS (for me cos I eat far too many!)

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 10:42:19

I'm doing intermittent fasting - which really only means skipping breakfast. You have 16 hours of fasting from your evening meal. So if you eat at 7.00 pm, your next food isn't until 11.00 am (at the earliest) the next day.

Given that many of us aren't always hungry at breakfast, I thought I'd give it a whirl. Not sure if I'll do it every day, because I also don't believe you should really go hungry - but will be interested to see how it goes.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Sep-12 10:42:48

some of us are really short grin
I am 5'2". I am overweight at about 9 stone sad

HumphreyCobbler Tue 25-Sep-12 10:43:21

I could skip breakfast, do you have a drink?

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 10:47:24

This morning was my first day - I had about half a cup of coffee before the gym. On gym days, I won't fast till lunchtime, but I won't eat beforehand, like I used to.

I think you're allowed hot drinks, but I suppose they should be milk-free really, otherwise it's not a fast, is it? <wonders if I've really thought this throughgrin>

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 25-Sep-12 10:48:30

hang on hang on hang on... intermittent fasting? i do that all the time. why am i not healthy and skinny?

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 10:49:21

I'm also 5ft 2in. At 9 stone 9.5, I'm definitely still too heavy. You can see the rolls of fat around my middle, still. One above my naval, one below. They are a lot less prominent, and I'm wearing tighter-fitting stuff these days, but they are definitely still there. I also have a bit of 'back fat' which hangs over my bra. So I know that there is still weight to go (and I'm only just into the desirable/healthy BMI zone too). I was hoping that I could get away with 9 stone 7 as a target, but it's looking like I'm going to have to aim for 9 stones.

bucksmum Tue 25-Sep-12 10:49:28

Weighed in today lost 5.5 llbs very pleased only another 94.5 to go blush

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 25-Sep-12 10:50:51


BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 10:54:43


Aitch we are - IT IS OCTOBER ON MONDAY!!!!!!

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 10:55:10

I will put up an official 'signing in' thread a bit later today. Rather irritatingly I have to go and do some work now.

Icanonlytry Tue 25-Sep-12 11:04:40

I NEED to join in too. Started the first bootcamp mid April and lost 24lb by the end of May but then it started falling apart and now I have put all the weight I lost back on again sad keep trying to get back on track and do really well then it all goes wrong, just cant seem to get back in the 'zone'.
BIWI feel free to shout at me to keep me in time, going away at the end of October and dont want to go feeling like a huge blob like I do now.

StrangeGlue Tue 25-Sep-12 11:10:19

Can I join?

I was just into a not healthy bmi before I got pregnant and ate my way through pregnancy. I've lost 20lbs so far which takes me back to pre-preg weight but have another 14-21 lbs to go to pre-chunky weight. So I'm aiming for 133-140lbs. I always used to vary from 134-144 so confident its doable and healthy.

Will need lots of breakfast and lunch suggestions!

StrangeGlue Tue 25-Sep-12 11:10:41

Oh I'm 28 and 5'5"

can't put up google doc at work, so will do it once i get home, sorry!

i am 5'7" but quite narrow-framed, so fat shows easily and clings to my thighs and hips especially, and although at 9st7lb i have a BMI of 21, i'm still pretty wobbly. i've lost about 2 stone on this woe since april, but although my weight looks good i'm not svelte by any means

i am trying to do resistance training now for toning and health purposes (strong history of osteoporosis in my family), so my weight might go up but body fat down

i'm going to do bootcamp to keep myself on the straight and narrow really - i'm not looking to lose weight but i easily slip into bad habits with cream/sweeteners/nuts/wine, so a few strict weeks will do me good, and it's so inspiring doing it alongside everyone here

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 25-Sep-12 11:50:52

well thank god for that. <eats after eights for lunch> [not even kidding]

LittleFrieda Tue 25-Sep-12 11:58:10

Count me in, please.

Kickboxer Tue 25-Sep-12 12:04:46

Oooh, count me in please! I've taken up kickboxing, which is motivating me to get my diet under control. I've been eating soooo much junk lately blush

mumtoblaire Tue 25-Sep-12 19:00:26

I am in. I have spent £160 from Jan - August at Weight Watchers and lost a grand total of..................3lbs!!!

I know my portions of carbs are totally to blame so this should be perfect.

I am 5'4" and 10st 2lbs shock

Willowisp Tue 25-Sep-12 19:05:03

well I'm on day 2 & suffering (no poo namely).

I've been eating butternut squash, broccoli.

I've had 1/2 avocado for brekkie, babybel as snack (instead of my normal satsuma). Lunch was 70g onion (yes really!), 1/2 red pepper, 1 courgette, fried & turned into an omelette with 1 tbsp of sesame oil + green salad. All put into myfitnesspal (I bloody love that app!). Had my 2 tsp linseeds, quarts of water. My lunch came to over 600 cals, so only managed 1/2 a (good quality) burger for tea. Was going to have butternut squash & broccoli for tea too, but am saving it for later.

Have to confess to 150ml apple juice in 3/4 pt of water as can feel myself shrivelling up...also fed up with mouth-full-of-blotting paper syndrome.

Via fitnesspal can see I've cut back about 100g a carbs a day.

Just read day 3 the worst. Bought a celeriac today, so will make the celeriac bake. Got a massive tub of creme fraiche, so that is my go-to easy snack.

I know calories aren't supposed to be counted, but I'm averaging (on my 2 days !) about 1200cals & 52 g carbs.

Feel free to advise me on suitable veg choices (normally a carrots & sweet potato girl)

WineGless Tue 25-Sep-12 19:20:58

Welcome all even though Bootcamp official guest start till Monday.
Willowisp, how much water are you having? When you say quarts? Litres? Should be 2-3 litres a day

Squash is very sweet and I would imagine high in carbs compared to other veg.

You can't go wrong with any green veg really. I fried leeks and mushrooms together last night with a good splash of sour cream- yummy!
Whatever veg you have try and have some fat with it as the vitamins in veg release only if you eat with fat. There are official science explanation for this but can't link on this phone

Willowisp Tue 25-Sep-12 19:40:12

yes, sorry, I decided over the weekend to get going, but i think another couple of days & I'll be bootcamp lighting.

125g has 10g of carbs...a bit of a large portion yesterday blush. will limit it to 50g next time.

will try onions(no leeks)/mushrooms/sour cream tomorrow.

just going to print off my 'can have' list.

ref water, constantly peeing but haven't been measuring...will take note from now on.

WineGless Tue 25-Sep-12 19:50:09

Also shallots are less carby than onions so try replacing to reduce carbs further.

Keep posting everything you are eating and we can give you tips.

I buy a 750ml water bottle and refill it 4 times then I know i have had 3 litres- may help? I get lost on glasses of water. Also it's easier to drink more out of bottles- read that somewhere

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 19:52:12

Willowisp - have you got the list of allowed veg to hand? You should be focussing on those veg which are 3g per 100g or less for the first couple of weeks.

Instead of onions, use shallots - they are less than half the amount of carbs.

And don't count calories! Honestly, you don't need to if you're low carbing.

I would say you need to shave about another 20g carbs off your daily total for Bootcamp. You will probably do that easily by getting rid of the fruit juice! (Fruit juice is a real no no if you're low carbing - even if you have diluted it)

OliviaPeaceAndLoveMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 25-Sep-12 19:52:25

<lurking as per>

captainmummy Tue 25-Sep-12 20:14:10

Had turnip dauphinoise for tea - dp and dses had sausages too but noticed they are 10% carbs! So had more broc instead. Turnip in cream - what's not to like? Doesn't even taste remotely turnip-y.

Half-bottle of red wine calling from fridge - fancy some with my bath, but know I shouldn't.

Willowisp Tue 25-Sep-12 20:15:14

damn it ! I've done my shopping & have a big bag on onions..

I'm just trying to print out the list, so will carry with me next week...& put this week down to experience...

yes, great idea about water bottle...I'm on it !

Not especially counting calories (interested in how much to fill me up) & actually couldn't eat another thing...mind you...stick a choc brownie under my nose & I may rethink this grin

WineGless Tue 25-Sep-12 20:36:43

We are doing Bootcamp proper from Monday so maybe just use this week as a trial run!
Honestly when you get into it you are so full between meals that you wouldn't even haves a brownie.
Also have you read the idiot proof diet? If not can highly recommend - worth try g to get one out of the library.

BIWI - i am going. To start transferring recipes from the thread onto the low carb section this week ignoring the fact I should be studying

gosh winegless that's noble of you!

right here is the link to the spreadsheet (fingers crossed) it should be editable, but please don't touch the blue columns. just shout if there are any problems accessing

i think i've added anyone who to date has posted on this thread - please let me know if i've missed anyone or made any errors. i will update with any later joiners in one go on sunday night

i've also linked up the previous data where i can. if there are any namechangers who were on previous spreadsheets and are happy to make themselves known then just let me know and i'll link that up too. likewise if anyone would like me to remove their previous data just shout (e.g. those who previously started using the 100 figure might feel it's a bit meaningless)

monday's weigh-in will go in the column 'starting weight (lbs)'

does this make sense? let me know if i've made any daft errors

oh, and there are tabs at the bottom, with fiddle's fabulous lb/st/kg conversion widget, allowed veg list and the rules (but these are the old rules, so BIWI just let me know if you'd like me to remove/update this)

SkaffenAmtiskaw Tue 25-Sep-12 21:25:36

Thanks Willie, that's great! smile
I can't see the tabs at the bottom though...

SkaffenAmtiskaw Tue 25-Sep-12 21:26:39

Ignore me blush, have just found the tabs blushblush

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 21:46:09

Willie you are an absolute star! Thank you thanks

If you could copy over the new rules that would be brilliant.

here is the link to the rules

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 21:46:58

And WineGless (love the new name!) thanks

I get the distinct feeling that people are looking forward to Monday!!!

Willowisp Tue 25-Sep-12 21:47:40

that's great, thanks !

(where do we stand on herbal tea, btw ? can't find carb info anywhere..)

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 21:56:03

I think most herbal teas are zero or very low carb - but you will need to check the individual packets

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 21:56:24

I think herbal teas are, like ordinary tea, zero carbs - but I don't that for a fact (and it's possible that fruit teas/flavoured teas may have carbs in them). You'll have to check the individual packets.

BIWI Tue 25-Sep-12 21:56:54

<sighs> My first post disappeared, so I wrote another one. Why the first one has now reappeared I have no idea!

MsRinky Tue 25-Sep-12 22:06:27

Ooh, add me please. I will be reporting on my six month weigh-in tomorrow.

CaptainMugwash Tue 25-Sep-12 22:14:23

Hi, thanks for the crispy kale tip! Am a total crisp head so will look forward to it. I'm using this as a trial week too, trying to get my head around it all.

So yesterday I had 4 (!) chipolatas for brekkie / lunch, then made the beef bourgignon from Dukan recipe book, except it looked a bit sorry when it was just the beef and stock in the casserole dish so I stuck a bit of bacon in, & slung the mushrooms & onion in for the full cooking time instead of 1/2 hr before the end. It was completely yummy, ate with broccoli and a little courgette, and took leftovers for lunch! Tea was chicken breast stuffed with goats cheese and sun dried tomato, sugar snaps and garlic mushrooms.

Feel more satisfied with my food than I have in ages, didn't even think about cake today! Will see how much the wine bottle is calling to me by thursday...

Liveinthepresent Wed 26-Sep-12 07:36:15

Am planning an online shop today in readiness for official start on Monday - can anyone give me a quick list of Bootcamp store cupboard essentials - I have the veg list - its more stuff that is good to have handy for throwing meals together - I am thinking -
Total yoghurt

halfthesize Wed 26-Sep-12 08:17:38

Hi everyone really looking forward to Monday to get started/motivatedgrin

Thanks for the spreadsheet and rules willie and BIWI

I have just discovered a new tea by Tetley, its a mix of black and green tea, really really nice.


cathyandclaire Wed 26-Sep-12 08:36:20

Just looked at the spreadsheet and all the info....I am sooooooo impressed shock thanks thanks with such levels of organisation the weight is sure to tumble off! (although NOT if I continue troughing the dark chocolate and red wine like I did last night blush)
Monday can't come too soon, I need the discipline!

msrinky, have added you...

have added the new bootcamp rules too

Willowisp Wed 26-Sep-12 10:22:14

Have checked my herb tea packets & no info there, none on google &. I even scanned them on info. So gonna assume ok.

Biwi - you'll be pleased to know had a good number 2 today grin

Had 'light boot camp' fruit for brekkie (6g carb) & splodge of creme fraiche.

Cajun salmon salad for lunch.

Water bottle at the ready.

Am loving the support group here.. <<heart emoticon>>

Doshusallie Wed 26-Sep-12 10:54:13

Captain - you keep your red wine in the fridge? My MIL does that.....are you my MIL? [scared]

tartiflette Wed 26-Sep-12 11:57:39

Quite surprised at how much I'm looking forward to Monday...
We're away at a big family wedding over the weekend which basically involves non stop eating and drinking from Friday night onwards.. Ideal boost for the metabolism ready for bootcamp? wink

Sadly I've been trying to be quite strict with myself over the last four days in preparation for the teeny tiny dress (narrow rather than short I hasten to add) I appear to have bought for Saturday - but have not lost anything at all so far confused

BIWI Wed 26-Sep-12 12:29:28

A list of what you can have in Bootcamp:

Any fresh/unprocessed meat and fish. (Anything processed, like crab sticks or pre-prepared burgers are likely to have carbs - *always check the back of the packet*)

Processed meats/fish - bacon, ham, smoked salmon, etc - in moderation (not just because they have carbs but also because they often contain artificial ingredients, which we are also trying to avoid)

Eggs - no limit on these

Veg/salad from the allowed veg list (and focusing on those that are 3g carbs per 100g or less)

Lemon/limes - you can use a little juice in marinades/dressings - just don't go mad and use a bucket load.

Frozen veg can be brilliant and is often surprisingly good - whole leaf spinach is especially good; cauliflower and broccoli are good standbys.

Tinned fish like tuna (if you're buying things like sardines/pilchards/mackerel in sauces, check the carb count first)

Tinned tomatoes - for soups/sauces; although they are quite carby, a little can go a long way. Sainsbury's Basics chopped tomatoes in a carton are lower in carbs

Olive oil for salad dressings (ideally you shouldn't cook with olive oil but should use something like coconut oil instead - but coconut oil is very expensive, so this one is up to you)

Sesame oil for stir fries and marinades

Vinegar for salad dressings - not balsamic vinegar, which is very high in carbs, compared with ordinary vinegar which is zero carbs

Soy sauce - for marinades or adding to stir fries, but beware it does contain carbs - check the labels first

Mayonnaise - again, check the labels as the carb counts vary tremendously (and always full fat)

Butter - as much as you like for either cooking or putting on veg

Cheese/cream - in moderation; dairy can stall some people so go easy on this until you know if it affects you or not

Yoghurt tends to be better tolerated - always, always, always full fat though and always plain! (Vanilla extract in yoghurt is lovely - Waitrose make one which is sugar-free)

Olives - these are very low in carbs and make a useful snack as well as an addition to salads/sauces

Water. If you find still/tap water boring, then sparkling water is fine. You should be aiming to drink at least two litres of water a day.

That's a starter for ten - no doubt others will add to this!

captainmummy Wed 26-Sep-12 12:36:34

Re the spreadsheet BIWI - do we fill it in, or do we tell you the weigh-in results and you do it?

Shagmundfreud Wed 26-Sep-12 12:42:28

Coconut oil is cheap if you can find an Indian grocers!

Shagmundfreud Wed 26-Sep-12 12:46:04

The spreadsheet column 'total loss to 01.Oct' - is that our starting weight on that date? Or our starting weight when diet began (in my case I'ce been low carbing since 1st week of September and have lost 10lbs - I know weigh 158 lbs).

NigellasGuest Wed 26-Sep-12 12:46:22

shagmund, can you get the cold pressed coconut oil in an indian grocers?

Themumsnot Wed 26-Sep-12 12:48:56

Thanks BIWI - I've just printed that list out, really helpful.
And thanks for the spreadsheet Willie, that is amazing.
I have four stone to lose - have been putting on and losing the same two stone over and over again for the past 3/4 years - and I am really going to crack it this time. smile

Shagmundfreud Wed 26-Sep-12 12:51:35

Today so far:
smoked mackerel - small bit
Coffee with lactose free milk (3g carbs per 100 mls)
Coleslaw made with cabbage and a small bit of cheddar.

Dinner is sliced chicken breast stir fried with mushrooms, stock cube, fresh oregano, lots of black pepper and 3 tablespoons of cream. Tiny squirt of lemon juice.

NigellasGuest Wed 26-Sep-12 12:52:49

Hello, welcome to all new LC-ers / Bootcampers!

willie thanks for spreadsheet.
Who else simply cannot believe that it is October on Monday??!!

Shagmundfreud Wed 26-Sep-12 12:52:53

Will check when I next go to the Asian cash and carry.

NigellasGuest Wed 26-Sep-12 12:57:01

shagmund basically the cold pressed kind is solid, hard until it igets warm and then it goes liquid. That's the good kind wink

BIWI Wed 26-Sep-12 12:57:36

Willowisp grin thanks for sharing!

captainmummy - each Monday you go into the spreadsheet and enter your own weight

Shagmundfreud Wed 26-Sep-12 13:05:50

Ok - well that's the type I use.

For some reason it's sold in narrow necked bottles, so you have to warm it up before you can pour it out. I suppose in Mumbai it rarely gets cold enough to solidify completely!

LaVitaBellissima Wed 26-Sep-12 13:07:00

So weigh in on Monday grin BIWI Please wave your stick this way!

God how am I going to cope without fruit, wine more wine and biscuits confused

Has anyone done a menu plan for Monday that I can copy?

NigellasGuest Wed 26-Sep-12 13:32:15

shagmund i think you're on to something there!

my lunch: prawns and mushrooms sauteed in butter and cream with courgettes

MsRinky Wed 26-Sep-12 13:48:28

Thank you for adding me ! I have updated it today, and will amend on 1st October and update from there.

As promised, here's my six month update:

I started low carbing on 26th March, just before the original bootcamp. I have not been perfect during those 6 months. I have been on three holidays, gone to two weddings, had various sneaky glasses of wine and reckon all in all that on about 50 of the approximately 180 days I have eaten or drunk something which was not strictly permitted. But by my reckoning I've been very good about 73% if the time. Not quite 80/20, but not far off.

As of today, I have lost 15.02% of my bodyweight: 36.6 lbs (2 stone, 8.6) or 16.6kg to be precise. So I didn't quite make the target I set myself of 3kg a month. But I was bursting out of a 22, now I'm a very comfortable 18 nudging towards an 16.

I still have a long way to go. If I want a BMI of 24, I've got to lose the same again, twice over. But you know what, I reckon I can do it, even if I'm still slogging away when all of you ladies who are starting out where I'm hoping to finish are done.

BIWI Wed 26-Sep-12 14:13:19

That's really brilliant, MsRinky! And I think it demonstrates perfectly that this WOE is truly sustainable over the longterm - i.e. you can fit real life in and around what you're trying to achieve.

BIWI Wed 26-Sep-12 14:13:35

Have some thanks

Netguru Wed 26-Sep-12 14:55:59

Can I join in?

Hoping to get to 147

PortiaPony Wed 26-Sep-12 15:03:09

Hello all! I'd like to join in please. Lost 2stone through Atkins a few years back and kept it off through adopting low carb as normal eating without too much trouble. Then got pregnant and had a really tough Year1 with baby, so i now need to loose 2stone again smile Bracing myself for that tough first month on low carb so will be great to have the support on this thread. Can't access google docs at work, so will pop myself on the spreadsheet later xx

shagmund, the loss to 1st October column is for if you want to include your overall loss (not just that for the 10 weeks from monday). was your starting weight 168 on 3rd September? if you'd like me to add that then no problem.

I'll update the formulae in that column on a weekly basis to make sure it reflects the loss to date

nigella i can't believe it's october next week either. i feel like summer never really came, and while you can pretend that it could still be summer in september, you really can't do that in october!

we had a hot water bottle last night

Ilovemyteddy Wed 26-Sep-12 16:10:37

Well done, MsRinky on a brilliant weight-loss thanks

I've still got a way to go, so I'm sure I'll be here with you, particularly, as BIWI says, this is a WOE which is sustainable over the longterm.

Onwards and downwards!

Shagmundfreud Wed 26-Sep-12 17:23:07

Yes please - 168lbs on 3rd September.

Jacaqueen Wed 26-Sep-12 17:49:29

I am so looking forward to this.

MsRinky that is very impressive. I have a good few lbs still to lose so will be here for a long time.

EwanHoozami Wed 26-Sep-12 18:58:13

Bloody hell, it starts on MONDAY! shock

I'm a bit excited / terrified, even though I've been pretty much doing it already for a month. The norty carbs have been creeping in (a square or two of plain choc here, a slosh of gravy there..) so I need a bit of discipline back.

I may not be a font of knowledge on the nutrition front but I do know a good LBD when I see one and THIS is amazing is beautifully cut and has a super-secret smoothing lining.. I can't believe I'm singing the praises of M&S clothes but it's been a long time since I felt so fab in a dress.

Although obviously the size 14 I bought will be hanging off me by Christmas wink

mumtoblaire Wed 26-Sep-12 19:12:01

This is just what I need! I have Coeliac disease so this is ideal for me. At the moment I just fill up with Gluten free pasta and rice. I still am not eating the correct amount of protein or getting anywhere near the recommended calcium intake.

Am I allowed milk?

I need to be organised or else I will just eat anything when I am hungry. A few years ago I followed the Atkins diet and lost 1st in 2 weeks and it stayed off for ages as I was active and didn't go mad with my eating. I got fed up with eggs and tuna though so must be more pro-active and not feel sorry for myself.

Will miss the alcohol though!

FatOnTheInside Wed 26-Sep-12 20:53:33

BIWI I am interested to find out why we shouldn't cook with olive oil??
Also, do we need to be worried about lack of fibre? <wibble>

Liveinthepresent Wed 26-Sep-12 21:09:11

BIWI thanks so much for the extra info about what's allowed - am disproportionately pleased olives arent banned in Bootcamp !
MsRinky you have done so well - makes me more determined.
EwanHoozami love your name and your LBD !

Am full of trepidation ...

Just checked out the spreadsheet and am strangely excited about Monday grin

Been trying hard to follow the rules this week so will hopefully see a loss by Monday

Viperidae Wed 26-Sep-12 23:29:49

Don't know if this has been mentioned already but can we do the speadsheet weight thing like last time and count down from 100, if wanted, rather than put our actual weight on?

I have a huge amount to lose and, while I don't mind admitting that, I don't think I can bring myself to put my weight on anything just in case anybody IRL ever recognises me on here blush

Collywibbles Wed 26-Sep-12 23:59:08

Please can I join you? I have been a long time lurker on BIWI's threads as she and others talk lots of sense!

I have been LCing for over a year now - lost 1 1/2 stone relatively quickly and have pretty much maintained since then which is good, but I have probably another 1/2 - 1 stone which I need to lose so I think bootcamp is in order to get me back on track. It also helps that my husband is away for the next 3 weeks so I can eat what I like with no moaning! I also need to tackle my nut and cheese addiction - I am often guilty of having just a lump of cheese or handful of nuts for a "meal" ...

of course viper, just put 100 in column C on monday

BIWI Thu 27-Sep-12 09:21:44

Why it's best not to cook with olive oil

And this, from Dr Mercola:

"While olive oil can and should be a healthy part of your diet, what most people do not appreciate is that olive oil should not be used to cook with.

Olive oil is primarily a monounsaturated fat. This means that it has one double bond in its fatty acid structure. The problem with olive oil is its overabundance of oleic acid, which creates an imbalance on the cellular level that can inhibit prostaglandin production, which can increase the risk of breast cancer and heart disease.

So if you plan on using a fat to cook with, your clear choice is coconut oil. Coconut oil is rich in lauric acid which is a proven antiviral and immune system builder."

BIWI Thu 27-Sep-12 09:25:08

Fatontheinside - if you make sure you are getting as many of your carbs as possible from veg/salad, then you shouldn't lack dietary fibre.

EyesDoMoreThanSee Thu 27-Sep-12 09:29:44

Are we (and I hope that this doesn't sound like a rude question) going to be doing just low carbing? The other LC thread seems to have got very confusing with fasting and dropping meals like breakfast before exercising etc - the reason I so liked the bootcamp and the 15 weeks or so which followed was because it seemed very sensible to eat three meals a day and increase the water we drank and just become overall more healthy.

Introducing the fasting didn't seem to fit with the original ethos?

BIWI Thu 27-Sep-12 09:35:04

No - we aren't going to be fasting on Bootcamp!

I'm experimenting with it a bit at the moment, but I'm not doing the whole low calorie/calorie restriction thing as (personally) I think that way madness lies. I never, ever, ever again want to be obsessed with how many calories I've had/have left. It makes eating (and life) so dull. Food should be a pleasure and, IME, low carbing allows us to eat much better and more satisfying meals.

The reason I'm experimenting with it is that my weight loss has slowed down, and I'm seeing if this gets it going again. And I know that as I am now ketogenically adapted (i.e. my body is burning fat for fuel rather than carbs), and that my blood sugar levels are stable often I'm not hungry first thing, so rather than forcing myself to eat breakfast, I'm skipping it if I can.

Bootcamp is just going to be about low carbing, and the advice for the first two weeks remains the same - you must eat three meals a day. The reason for this is to ensure that people get into ketosis and get their blood sugar levels stable, and therefore to ensure that they are not hungry - which is a key benefit of low carbing.

BIWI Thu 27-Sep-12 10:47:46
cathyandclaire Thu 27-Sep-12 11:20:47

Oh forgive me bootcampers for I have sinned! Was feeling horribly sluggish yesterday and didn't eat proper meals at all, then after a bad work day I ate a Twirl, some Minstrels and some Hula Hoops FFS while waiting for dd at dance... I'm so annoyed with myself...I DIDN"T EVEN ENJOY THEM!!!
Bizarrely I feel great today, DH said I smell of ketones and I lost 1.5lb, my body is weird confused
I really need to eat regularly and well to keep on track so curly kale is in crisping and have asparagus frittata in fridge ready for lunch.
Maybe it was the blowout I needed to get me in the right frame of mind for Monday?!

All signed up grin will be good when were all doing the same thing smile support of the last bootcamp was fantastic!! X

cathy dont worry its just a slip up... Ive had plenty of those! Tomorrows another day... Just eat right and drink plenty and things will even out :/

cathy it ain't bootcamp yet, and the fact that you've slipped up but found out you didn't really enjoy it before bootcamp starts means you have an advantage!

cathyandclaire Thu 27-Sep-12 12:09:26

Thanks Princess and WWd thanks
Can I just say how yummy and filling the Kale crisps are, I may try them with ginger next time, it's like the deep fried seaweed you get in Chinese restaurants.

halfthesize Thu 27-Sep-12 13:05:11

Afternoon all, I'm all signed up and ready to gowink

Cathy dont worry, it was just one day, drink plenty of water today x

I need ideas for cabbage...

I have a red pointed one and a pak choi - what would be yummy?

chop cabbage and fry up with bacon and butter? <lazy>

pak choi could be roasted or fried with sesame oil, soy sauce, chilli and fresh ginger?

NotAgainAndAgain Thu 27-Sep-12 14:39:36

I am ready, in low start now.
I have lost a stone while doing it non-commitedly, but need to loose two more to avoid buying another dress for a family wedding. Shall I put my DH to bets?

NotAgainAndAgain Thu 27-Sep-12 14:41:48

Just back from Germany, chose low carb side - cabbage fried up, with crispy bacon bits on top.

NotAgainAndAgain Thu 27-Sep-12 14:44:59

in my pre-bootcamping trials it proved I am low resistant to "no puddings at all". ANd a piece of dark chocolate does not elevate the need - I need at least two rows. How to stop myself??? DH suggest going to bed straight after supper.

BIWI Thu 27-Sep-12 15:11:17

Don't buy it in the first place grin

Agree, don't buy it, or clean teeth straight after supper

MsRinky Thu 27-Sep-12 20:31:37

I have been having the odd sugar free jelly with a few raspberries and cream. Will be knocking it on the head for bootcamp though.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Thu 27-Sep-12 23:31:06

I think I need to do this, am 5'8" and I think I currently weigh around 12 stone, I've put on a stone in a year and being now 43, I really want to stop this before it gets any worse. Would love to be around 10 and a half stone again as I was Pre DC but realistically anything under 11 would be great.

Have never low carbed before (never really strictly dieted before tbh, have done a few months of being "healthy" and cutting out obvious junk several times when clothes getting tight but never followed a strict plan as such) so all support gratefully received. Is the stick bashing optional biwi ?! wink

BIWI Thu 27-Sep-12 23:32:55

Oh no, toomuch. The big stick bashes all and everyone, on a regular basis!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Thu 27-Sep-12 23:49:17


<hides cushion down back of jeans>

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 08:30:24

morning...I've deviated slightly, although I know we haven't started officially yet. It's not sweet craving, or any cravings, but a sort of need for wet, succulent food...

Had guava (tin suggests low carb) & 14 raspberries for brekkie. Think my bowel 'situation' might be linked with magnesium, so taking that as a supplement.

Juicy low carb food suggestion gratefully received !

BIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 08:37:01

What does the tin say, Willow? I can't believe guava would be low carb - and was it in syrup or juice?

If you want juicy low carb food, how about salad stuff in dressing? Lettuce and cucumber are perfect.

<starts flexing big stick>

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 28-Sep-12 08:37:58

<ducks to avoid the big stick>

Can I go on The List please

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 09:31:38

Please Miss...I got it wrong....16.3g per 100...I read it as 0.4 (the protein) Still, just had a brisk walk...

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 09:32:47

yeah...lettuce/cucumber not cutting it....although I am eating them..

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 09:40:07

All part of the learning curve! What is it that you're craving? It's most likely the sweetness, which is all part of low carbing - we're aiming to break the strangle-hold that sugar has over us.

Pufflemum Fri 28-Sep-12 09:46:47

Hello, can I join please? I turn 40 just after Christmas and have a break to NY planned with DH, our first time away without the DC. I would love to loose a stone beforehand. I've just started at the gym and have been doing body attack and body pump weekly as well as running at least once a week, but I just can't ditch the sweet stuff. Hopefully your stick will beat it out of me!

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 10:45:38

Oh yes! grin

And welcome.

Wow theres so many newbies now... Weve got a nice little network going on here grin

frumpet Fri 28-Sep-12 12:30:30

Count me in , i am the heaviest i have ever been , including when pregnant . I get out of breath just walking up the stairs and my knees have started to complain , plus i am too fat to ride the horse that costs me a small fortune to keep !
Ideally i would like to lose 5 stone smile

Whats the IPD cook book ?

halfthesize Fri 28-Sep-12 13:46:40

Loving the name change BIWI

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Fri 28-Sep-12 13:50:35

I'm in please, have been doing this for a week now and lost 7lbs already which is great.
Am supposed to be going out for an Indian tonight but no idea what's ok to eat (rice and naan obviously not).
Would a chicken tikka masala be ok or a korma? And what on earth would I have with it. Normally have rice, naan, onion bhajees and meat samosa so am really stuck (no wonder I'm overweight though looking at that).
Any help appreciated.

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 13:52:37

Best thing is something tikka or tandoori - with low carb veg side dishes such as cauliflower bhaji, spinach bhaji or mushroom bhaji

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:18:09

Thanks, was afraid you'd say that. It's a shame, I do love the cream sauces but I suppose without knowing if they use flour etc in them it's safer not to.
Never tried any of the other bhajees so maybe will try the mushroom one. Oh well, my thighs will thank me I guess even though my stomach won't!

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:19:32

Sorry bhaji not bhajee.

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 14:54:54

Korma is often sweetened as well so not a safe option

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 16:50:13

Sorry for late reply, been out all day.

Surprisingly not craving sweet stuff, only wet food, so satsumas, nectarines, cherry toms. I may even fancy a grapefruit !

Have a bag of berries in the freezer, but they're not hitting the stop.

Treated myself to pt of Robinsins select squash today.....

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 16:51:11

But those things are all sweet!

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 17:01:13

ok blush

I fear for next week !

Sweet to me is chocolate..dark choc.choc pudding...choc cake..brownies...rocky road..

Good job I have willpower..

teaandthorazine Fri 28-Sep-12 17:23:28

Lavender - the thing I found most amazing about low-carb (well, one of the many things tbh!) was how much nicer stuff like Indian food is when you ditch the carby fillers. Honest!

wordfactory Fri 28-Sep-12 17:32:37

Having had a good weekn today was a carbo-fiasco. Am going to need better strategies for work days!!!!

Well ladies ive eaten so much today!

Breakfast was a sausage :/ streaky bacon, mushrooms and scrambled egg!

Lunch was 2 slices of chargrilled chiken breast.

Dinner is roast chicken, butternut mash, savoy cabbage, fine green beans and some carrot! O and some red cabbage!!

Omg i sound like a right pig... Im feeling like one too after DPs lecture on my weight loss earlier, feel like poo sad

teaandthorazine Fri 28-Sep-12 19:14:57

Princess that all sounds great (just watch the carrot and red cabbage, I think). What has your dp said to make you feel bad?

Dinner tonight is low carb sausages with celeriac dauphinwotsit, green beans and shredded cabbage. Yum! Have made the celeriac with blue cheese, can't wait to eat it grin Am on call tonight so hoping the phone doesn't ring before I've had the chance...

Princess is your dp being less than supportive?

I had pan-fried duck breast with my mum's homegrown broccoli and courgette.

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 19:23:08

Why on earth is he lecturing you, Princess?

Willow - one thing you really won't need too much of is willpower if you are low carbing properly. You won't be hungry and you can eat delicious food. But you do have to know what you're doing, and get your head around the fact that you can't eat fruit (for the first two weeks).

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 Fri 28-Sep-12 19:31:57

Early meal and unfortunately I've blown out and just eaten tikka masala, mushroom rice, samosas and onion bhajis. Back on track tomorrow just hope it hasn't messed things up too much. I've done so well this last week, very disappointed in my lack of willpower.

Please add me to the list, managed to lose 1 1/2 stone last year doing it and felt sooo good, but have now put it all back on sad

Frumpet the IPD cookbook is the Idiot Proof Diet diet by India Knight and Nerris Hughes, they also did the Pig too Twig book both worth getting.

Princess what's happening with DH?

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 20:18:02

I've got a recipe in this months Good Food mag for aubergine something or other, which is low carb (yippee!) so may have that tomorrow.

Sunday dinner will be roast chicken, with the celeriac thing& broccoli (I have the LPD cook book).

Just out of interest, I have a The New High Protein Diet book, which is pretty good. It was free years ago with a magazine, but it often appears in charity shops (saw it today).

Despite me craving the wet (aka sweet fruits) I don't actually have my of an's almost like I can't be bothered.

Sorry about your DH Princess, he possibly feels like he'll have to smarten himself up if you lost weight ? My DH is intrigued by the volume of my lunches ! (hope it works, I am desperately wanting to wear skinny jeans...)

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 20:20:01

PS would it be too much for people to post about there...erm...toilet habits ? I was an every morning girl, but now every other day (& bricks they are grin)

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 20:20:34

That book is really good, Willow. It's what first got me interested/involved in low carbing. It explains the theory behind it really simply and clearly. I seem to remember that there are some good recipes in there as well?

And not having an appetite is a good sign - it signals that you're in ketosis, so you are moving into fat-burning rather than carb-burning.

Willowisp Fri 28-Sep-12 20:32:59

yes there are good recipes, I hadn't really looked at them as I'm basicially eating fish + salad/fried veg/veg....There's a good curry recipe & each recipe has the amount of carbs per portion.

The author's Dr Charles Clark

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 21:24:09

Make sure you're eating plenty of fat as well - so fry in butter/put butter on your veg, use an oily dressing on your salad, add (full fat) mayo, etc

He said how can i be losing weight by eating bacon and eggs all the time, jokingly calls me a beast which isnt funny! Said how much weight had i lost this month... I said probably a kilo because ive been up down and was eating the wring things.. Then he said well thats nothing i could easily lose 2lb in a day. When i said why is he akways pushing and lecturing me he just bit back saying i needed encouragement.
I suggested all the naughty snacks be removed and everyone else eats healthier and he point blank refused!!

Viperidae Fri 28-Sep-12 22:06:35

I am having guests this weekend (arriving tomorrow) so decided I would have a carbfest to clear out the cupboards before Monday and am surprising myself by not really wanting stuff as much as I thought I would confused.
I will be counting down from 100 on the spreadsheet as there is no way I'm admitting my weight publicly (if I told you I'd have to kill you!)

I usually have eggs with bacon, ham or sausage for breakfast. Any suggestions for alternatives if we're avoiding processed meats? Btw I HATE cheese, it's vile, so that's no good for me.

Keep the big stick handy BIWI as I plan to go cold turkey on Diet Coke which will be hard.

Sorry for the spelling mistakes, was writing quick and infuriated angry

WineGless Fri 28-Sep-12 22:08:41

Princess, it's hard living with a doubter. My DH is just coming to terms with the fact that this is not a diet, it's a way of eating and it's permanent!
You have done so well and most people have a stall about now as I think it is your body getting used to fat burning instead if carb burning

What does he eat? Who does the cooking

Just remember nothing tastes as good as being slim feels

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 22:08:46

Well he couldn't lose 2lbs in a day, Princess, that's stupid.

Ignore, ignore, ignore. Just imagine him as your toddler.

Let him eat what he wants. He/his weight is not your responsibility. Your weight is your responsibility.

And make sure that you are up on your reading, so that you have the arguments to counter his.

WineGless Fri 28-Sep-12 22:12:15


Boiled eggs mashed with butter or mayo
Left over meals - no reason why you have to eat certain food at breakfast time- just a cultural norm
Greek yoghurt with little vanilla essence if you want flavour
Celery filled with cream cheese

We all started off with a weight we didn't want to be and the point of the threads is to support each other to get to where we DO want to be

Thanks guys... Hes very slim and can et whatever he likes and doesnt put on weight! He takes crap to work.. Says i he disnt eat all the crisps and chocolate then hed lose weight and he dont want to and apparently thats what my children need ( biscuits etc) to keep them going.. Not fruit!!

Levantine Fri 28-Sep-12 22:19:32

So, snacks in phase one .....

hard boiled eggs
cold meat

what else can I have?

and what are people taking to work for lunch?

WineGless Fri 28-Sep-12 22:24:58

If you are prepared and make soup before you could take in a thermos for lunch, otherwise I normally take a salad to work or leftovers from tea.

Celery filled with cream cheese (full fat)
Pâté with cucumber slices
Salami/ ham rolled up filled with cream cheese
Boiled eggs

To be honest when I am
Boot camping I don't want or need to snack as am full up

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 22:25:45


cheese (in moderation)
celery - to which you can add cream cheese, peanut butter, pate

However - once you are into low carbing/ketosis, you will find that you are much less hungry, and the need to snack will abate considerably. And in many ways, snacking is a habit - something we do, and not because we're hungry.


I'm lucky in that I work from home, which makes it considerably easier. Do you have a microwave at work? I often have leftovers from the previous night's dinner.

Tin of tuna with mayo and salad
Cold meats/fish, as above

If you have a big supermarket near you, often they have a rotisserie section, and you can buy cooked chicken there. (Avoid the flavoured ones, as they have a lot of sugar on them)

WineGless Fri 28-Sep-12 22:40:31

X posts BIWI I am channelling you! Either that or you taught me well...

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 22:49:19

Ah. Glesshopper ...


frumpet Fri 28-Sep-12 22:55:03

Are olives stuffed with anchovies ok ? and mozzarella , please say that is ok as it is my favorite food , one ball of that , one tomatoe , avocado and tons of spinach ! I dont have a sweet tooth , carbs are my downfall , especially in when dressed up as wine blush . If i do bootcamp , i will probably lose 7llbs just by not drinking th stuff .

WineGless Fri 28-Sep-12 22:58:05

Yep frumpet they are all fine I think

BIWI wax on,wax off

frumpet Fri 28-Sep-12 22:58:21

Got weighed at a friends , as don't own any scales, i am 230 llbs sad so should i drink 3.5 or 4 litres of water ? i thought i might drink 4 for the first week and then 3.5 for the second .

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 23:03:38

Yep - no wine in Bootcamp!

Viperidae Fri 28-Sep-12 23:56:09

BTW did you see Nigella last week made what she called a "meatza". Make mince with egg, etc as you would for meatballs then press into a tin and top with tomato and mozzarella. If you left out the braedcrumbs she used it would be a good low carb meal with salad.

BigStickBIWI Sat 29-Sep-12 00:07:51

That sounds nice - a bit like a meatloaf, I suppose?

Willowisp Sat 29-Sep-12 09:55:09

I don't want to be negative, but all that food (pâté/ salami/ham - aren't theses processed?) make me want to heave sad

I like food that makes my mouth water...but because I've lost a bit of my appetite, I think I'll be skipping breakfast. This week I tried 1/2 avocado with creme fraiche & won't be eating that again...ever...

Dh cooked me fried mushrooms & boiled egg this am....& that's in a container waiting for me to 'indulge' !

cathyandclaire Sat 29-Sep-12 10:03:02

When I've had a juicy craving I've found roasting tomatoes or eating raw crunchy celery (I know....I can't believe I actually like it now [shocked]) helps (even better dipped in boursin or sour cream grin)

BigStickBIWI Sat 29-Sep-12 10:05:49

Willow - what do you like? (Apart from fruit!) Let's see if we can help you out!

And yes, pate etc are all processed foods - but not necessarily always full of artificial ingredients which is what we're trying to avoid. If you buy good quality stuff anyway.

Willowisp Sat 29-Sep-12 10:28:15

I think that's the problem challenge. I'm not a big foodie, I'm not especially greedy (apart from choc puddings). I'd possible be happy with a pill.

But I'll make my way...protein salad for lunch, protein veg for tea. I like the nuts. I'm obsessed with my bowels functioning daily. For that will try linseeds soaked with a tsp oil.

I completely buy into the low carb & probably like others, it's a world away from what I normally eat.

Skinny jeans are calling !

halfthesize Sat 29-Sep-12 10:30:09

princess sorry to hear about DH not being so supportive, hope you are feeling happier today, just ignore himsmile

BigStickBIWI Sat 29-Sep-12 10:31:35

Don't forget the fat - butter on veg/oily dressing on salad. It's the thing that most people find hard when they switch to low carbing, because it runs counter to everything we have been told over the last 30 or so years.

And you need to stop worrying about daily going!

princess sorry to hear about your less than supportive DH - lets PROVE HIM WRONG. Just smile knowingly and watch as the weigh falls off you I say...

I am soooooooo looking forward to Monday. Hope my new scales arrive soon...

HumphreyCobbler Sat 29-Sep-12 11:21:53

ooh, I started early and am already seeing some results due to cutting out cheese.

I am STARVING today though, which is strange as I should be in ketosis by now. Although my period is due so maybe this is why.

Just watching that Nigella thing now with the Meatza - it is sort of like a meatloaf, but it is round and much flatter (maybe a couple of cm thick). Basically mince, eggs, parmesan, herbs all worked together and then pushed down into tin. Covered in drained tinned tomatoes, covered in slices of mozzarella then in oven for about 20 minutes. Looks yum it has to be said!

HumphreyCobbler Sat 29-Sep-12 11:51:16

Anyone else noticed a distinct improvement in their cooking skills? I feel I have really got to grips with vegetables for the first time. The other day, when I cooked a load of runner beans, mixed with smoked haddock and added a garlic vinagrette, DH asked me where the recipe had come from. I was just seeing what was in the fridge.

BigStickBIWI Sat 29-Sep-12 11:53:19

Go you! grin

I think one of the best things about eating this way is that it becomes about good food. So much of what people tend to eat these days is processed and pre-prepared.

HumphreyCobbler Sat 29-Sep-12 11:55:38

We are about to butcher the pigs.
Will be making low carb sausages this year.grin

BigStickBIWI Sat 29-Sep-12 11:56:18

I hope they have big bellies, for all that lovely roast belly pork and crackling!

HumphreyCobbler Sat 29-Sep-12 12:00:04

They do actually - the are half wild boar and half Kune Kune. One of them has a belly that drags along the floor. Own reared pigs have a MUCH bigger layer of fat than commercial pork.

Unfortunately DS has named them shock This could prove problematic...

BigStickBIWI Sat 29-Sep-12 12:00:50

Yes, I'm not really sure I envy you the slaughtering bit!

aroomofherown Sat 29-Sep-12 13:11:21

Right I'm starting today. Have planned and shopped and frankly, can't wait to eat delicious food that makes me feel great smile

Will be trying celeriac mash tonight for the first time with a steak and creamy mushroom sauce. Roast pork belly tomorrow with creamy cauliflower. Roasted tomato soup will be made this afternoon.

Going to try for a variety of colours of veges every day.

If I'm checking carb count on things what should I be aiming for? Around less than 3g per 100g?

sybilfaulty Sat 29-Sep-12 13:21:42

Very excited about Monday. Love the fact that there is so much talk about delicious food on the thread and so many of us are feeling excited and eager to get going.

I might make the meatza tomorrow to see what it's like. Will report back.

BigStickBIWI Sat 29-Sep-12 13:22:04

Depends what it is/how much of you'll be eating, to be honest. Anything around 3-4g should be fine.

NigellasGuest Sat 29-Sep-12 13:31:06

Looking forward to monday as well!
I have been very good recently and I'm looking forward to weighing in on Monday because I am hoping to start the LBD bootcamp having already been trying hard for a week. Hit the ground running as they say!

I also saw her making the Meatsa and thought it looked great from a LC pov - may even try making it today.

Aroomofherown - I tend to think if you are having to check the label, it probably isn't something you want to have a lot of!

aroomofherown Sat 29-Sep-12 16:36:45

Yes MrsHerculePoirot I agree - just thinking worcestershire sauce (for my creamy mushroom sauce), but more importantly, I'm hoping I can have a glass of almond's only 3g carbs?! Is that ok BIWI? or should I have just a small glass?

Evening all

I also like the sound of nigellas meatza... Im obsessed with nigella actually lol! Shame really because all her foods are so lush but all her cakes etc are packed with everything naughty!

Thanks for the support on DP he hasnt said much today other than telling me to put the small bottle of coke down which i picked up today blush
I do feel rubbish anyway but i thinknits because my weight has been fluctuting the same 2lbs forever now but i know thats because i havent been sticking to the diet properly! But as of monday i have extra motivation cos bootcamp starts and ill be longging EVERY single thing i eat!!

B was fried egg and mushroom with 2 steeaky bacon and 1 sausage
L was out with family and sandwiches were made... So i had 2 slices of brown seeded loaf with ham and salad cream sad
D will be 2 chicken thighs with shredded salami and a salad of little gem, pickled red cabbage, cucumber, parmesan, an some grated carrot!

aroomofherown - I use a little splash of worcestshire sauce here and there in sauces as I love it! Almond milk I am not so sure about - is it 3g of carbs per glass or per 100g? I think ideally it would be a no, but am sure BIWI will be along to clarify shortly!!!

princess - how much do you need/want to lose in the lbd bootcamp? your dinner sounds yummy!

Mrs HP id like to lose say 3 kilos and anything extras a bonus... Id like to lose 2?stone!!

Jacaqueen Sat 29-Sep-12 19:27:03

Just had a lovely dinner.

It was smoked haddock with a Davistow cheddar and chive sauce from the Saucy Fish Co. Just pop the foil pouch in the oven for 15 mins. Around 3g of carbs due to some cornflour in the sauce. Had it with asparagus and leeks to soak up the lovely sauce.

Having a glass of wine with some Parmesan and chilli nibbles whilst sitting round the chimnea. Great Saturday night so far. I will not be having toasted marshmallow. Definitely not.

aroomofherown Sat 29-Sep-12 20:42:30

Its 3g per 100ml.

I really hope it's ok because I just bought 3 litres as Sainsbury's had a sale

EwanHoozami Sun 30-Sep-12 09:32:29

<hhrnk> Bootcamp starts tomorrow grin

Am looking forward to my weigh-in as I've been pretty good. I expected to have an urge to have a pre-BC carbfest blow-out but aside from a bit of dark choc I didn't fancy it in the end.

Does everyone have a target weight? I've got a really solid frame (imagine an out-of condition Serena Williams..) and the lightest I've been in my adult life was 9st 8. And I looked like a malnourished carthorse with bones sticking out all over the place. So maybe I'll eye up the low 10's?

I'm going to try Nigel Slater's mildly spiced beef from last week's Observer today. Looks perfect LC fodder so if it's any good I'll stick up the recipe.

BigStickBIWI Sun 30-Sep-12 10:05:16

Morning all! Just as well it's Bootcamp tomorrow blush as last night (at the meet up) not only did I have frites with my dinner, there was also cake ...

WineGless Sun 30-Sep-12 10:10:19

BIWI we will be hitting you with your own stick!!!

Did you have a good night? Any other LCers there?

We are out for breakfast with DC then taking them swimming later after I revise.

Bootcamp couldn't come at a better time for me - need kick up the arse

BigStickBIWI Sun 30-Sep-12 10:13:48

<bends over>

Yes, Cointreau was there. Looking very svelte!

Hi everyone
I'm menu planning for next week before doing our weekly shop and was thinking of making the meatzza from nigellissima this week. Has anyone made this yet? If so did you replace the breadcrumbs/oats from the recipe with anything or just leave it out?

Thanks, Clare

becstargazeypie Sun 30-Sep-12 10:26:29

Latecomer, can I join? I'll start following bootcamp rules today but I wont be around much for the first two weeks as visiting in laws (no Internet) from tomorrow and then going on a business trip soon after. So I'll be checking in with you when I get back. I have 1 and a half stone to lose after a summer of not sticking to diet and then lots of stress eating recently... Yesterday I had to utter the dread words in zara changing room 'sorry but could you possibly find me this dress in an extra large?' blush

Clare I'm thinking if doing it later this week, and will just leave them out. Tbh I'm not sure how necessary the eggs are because with enough seasoning the mince may well hold together on its own, but will likely use them anyway

NigellasGuest Sun 30-Sep-12 12:21:10

Nigellissima Meatzza update!

Made it last night - BIG success. Everyone loved it and wanted second helpings. (except ultra-fussy eldest DC, but that's another thread).

dont have her book yet and couldnt remember exact way of making it so did my own version - i think it's pretty easy though. Very good indeed.

I then had a hobnob. But is that really so bad?? blush

NigellasGuest Sun 30-Sep-12 12:25:03

ps - Clare8 - i just left out the breadcrumbs altogether as couldn't think of a LC substitute. didn't seem to make any difference.
I made 2 meatzzas in 2 sandwich tins (the kind you use used for victoria sponge) - they shrunk away from the sides of the tins but that didn't matter. They still stayed a nice round shape.
The other thing was that a lot of liquid developed around the edges - possibly because I hadn't strained the plum tomato properly - but it didn't matter, I just poured it out before serving. HTH

Thanks! Going to make it for tomorrow nights dinner!

Jacaqueen Sun 30-Sep-12 12:40:33

I wish I did have toasted marshmallows last night, it might have helped to soak up some of the alcohol. I feel really rough today. I didn't even have that much to drink. Oh well at least giving up alcohol won't be so hard now. I will just remember how bad I feel right now.

I fancy some toast and butter but I will try and resist. Roll on tomorrow.

Afternoon ladies

nigellasguest glad to hear ur meatzza was a success... Im going to have to get the recipe and try it ( lowcarbed) next week!!

I dont know about everyone else but im hving a carb blowout today before bootcamp... This will be the grand finale of mess ups lol! Daresay ill regret it tomorrow wink

B was missed
L is a white bread sandwich with salami and cheddar!
D will be a lasagne with salad ( made with actual pasta) ... I said itd be a blowout lol

Still least theres no chocolate and cake on that list! Lookibg forward to seeing u all on the new thread tomorrow grin

halfthesize Sun 30-Sep-12 14:02:18

Afternoon all,

went to the gym yesterday afternoon and this morning so thats 5 times this week. Though after last night think I should have stayed there all day!!

We had last BBQ of the year with friends, a little huge amounts of wine and I also had crisps and dipblush My head and tummy are killing today, cant wait for bootcamp to start.

Brunch - bacon and eggs and I am on my 8th pint of watersmile

HumphreyCobbler Sun 30-Sep-12 19:03:45

Arghh I chopped my little finger really badly when peeling some swede and ended up in A&E. I then ate a coconut biscuit and a ham sandwich shock <guilt>

I am glad bootcamp starts tomorrow and not today.
at least i won't have stinky breath when I help on the school trip tomorrow

humphrey oh no! Hope your fingers feeling better soon!

See you all in bootcamp! Wohooos im actually excited grin is that weird??!

NigellasGuest Sun 30-Sep-12 20:02:20

OUch Humphrey! Hope you're ok. And that you didn't have to spend too long waiting around in A&E, I know what it can be like.

WineGless Sun 30-Sep-12 20:04:47

Humph- sending healing vibes your way. Make sure you take painkillers with you tomorrow. Throbbing finger + school trip= disaster

BigStickBIWI Sun 30-Sep-12 20:10:24

Oh my word! Hope it's alright now

NotMostPeople Sun 30-Sep-12 20:11:14

I'm so ready for this. I was already going a little off piste and therefore looking forward to Bootcamp and then I got a cold last weekend. I felt so ill, DH was abroad so I dragged yself to M&S to buy food for the dcs that would be easy to cook. That's when it went very very bad. I have spent the whole week stuffing al manner of badness into myself. I weighed myself this afternoon at PIL's and it was very bad.

So (hopeful voice) I will start this Bootcamp with zeal and aim to get back in shape. My plan is to be super strict until Christmas.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 30-Sep-12 20:27:46

thanks smile it is not too bad at all, but I nearly fainted as I don't like the sight of blood blush. I also have the most enormous comedy bandage on my finger.

I am looking forward to bootcamp. I am visualizing how thin we are going to be ten weeks from now.

mumtoblaire Sun 30-Sep-12 22:22:43

I am all set for tomorrow.

I have been having a carb blow out all weekend. I had my last alcohol for at least two weeks. I have been shopping and stocked up on supplies for the next few days.

I am really quite excited as I couldn't fasten my work trousers this morning and had to wear a jumper to cover the fact.

I am only managing 1.5 litres of water a day though, not sure if I could get through 2.5.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 30-Sep-12 22:23:47

I find getting through the water v difficult. I am SO going to make sure i do it properly on bootcamp

BornToShopForcedToWork Mon 01-Oct-12 01:01:15


I am ready to start tomorrow. I drank a lot of wine and ate a many carbs this weekend, but my lady three days weren't the easiest. I found out that my fiancé is 280k in debt and we broke up. Long story... I now have to focus on the bootcamp though.

mumtoblaire Mon 01-Oct-12 06:39:44

I have filled in weight on spreadsheet - 140 lbs

For breakfast

2 boiled eggs
cup of decaf tea with 50ml soya milk - 0.1 gram carb

snack at 10am

2 x slice of cheese and some ham
try to get through 1.5ml water before twelve

sybilfaulty Mon 01-Oct-12 06:47:54

SOrry to hear that borntoshop, hope you are OK.

I have weighed - eeek! 167lbs. I know I am tall but honestly! Means that I have lost a stone and kept it off since I started LC nearly 4 months ago. In that time, I have eaten so well and so deliciously (and had a fair amount of booze) that it is a miracle in some ways.

I would like to lose 7obs in the next 10 weeks. I would also like to fit into my Stella McCartney charity shop jeans. They are lovely, but very small. Small 10 I reckon. Am the moment I am a medium 12. Let#s see.

Right, dry hair, grout face, sort kids and off to work. Have caponata with feta for lunch in wee box. Get me.

Have a great day y'all.

BornToShopForcedToWork Mon 01-Oct-12 08:05:05


I am 183lbs. I want to lose at least 4lbs in the next two weeks and even more in the future. I just ordered a lot on Ocado for the next fortnight.

BigStickBIWI Mon 01-Oct-12 08:47:09

Morning, BorntoShop - I was sorry to read the outcome of your thread, but I do think it's the right decision for you, even if it's making you miserable at the moment.

And welcome to Bootcamp!

LaVitaBellissima Mon 01-Oct-12 10:52:35

I am 147lb just had a cheese omelette for breakfast!

NotAgainAndAgain Mon 01-Oct-12 11:17:22

I am in too! Where should I register my failing results of last week? I did not too bad, but slipped twice - on a box of raspberries and dark choc. They all seemed so innocent and so I was so desperate! But as a result - no loss whatsoever - I was 9st and stayed 9st - and that after all my "good girls" meals!

NotMostPeople Mon 01-Oct-12 15:09:09

So I weighed in this morning sans glasses etc and I'm now 149 pounds ie. 10st7 which I'm thrilled about as on PILs scales yesterday afternoon I was 10.13. Two weeks of eating badly has given a a one pound gain and not 6 phew!

Anyhow, Bootcamp is still needed to get that last little bit off.

Breakfast was two rashers of bacon and an egg. I haven't eaten since because I'm simply not hungry but will probably have something wheni get back from the school run.

BigStickBIWI Mon 01-Oct-12 15:12:42


fufulina Fri 05-Oct-12 19:58:30

Hello, back from holiday, and need to read through this thread from the start. Weighed in today at 75.5, so I put on 1kg exactly on holiday. Was a) amazed and b) delighted. I reckon that will be off in a couple of weeks, as I was not good on the alcohol/ice cream front, and on the way home, totally capitulated with a whopper with cheese, pretzels, and a boat load of 70% chocolate. Not my finest hour.

So, back on it. Really excited to be back on it, and looking forward to catching up now.

fufulina Fri 05-Oct-12 19:59:37

Bollocks, sorry, should I have posted that on chat thread? What are the rules for chat vs bootcamp discussions? Is it just weight and food on here?

BigBroomstickBIWI Fri 05-Oct-12 20:14:40

Post everything on the new thread - there will be a new one on Monday!

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