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Low carb for those of us who aren't hardcore enough for Bootcamp/Atkins induction etc

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QueenStromba Fri 06-Jul-12 22:02:53

This is a thread for anyone who wants to eat fewer carbs but has either failed on plans than start out really low carb or just doesn't want to eat very low carb for whatever reason. I'm of the opinion that the high carb diet recommended by the government is the cause of obesity and related diseases and that any reduction in carbs will boost health.

While the Bootcamp threads are fantastic, I think a lot of people find it difficult to dive straight into eating very low levels of carbs which leads to giving up by day five. I did this myself when I first tried low carbing last April. I wasn't even trying to eat induction level carbs, just cut out the obviously high carb elements of my diet (rice, potatoes, pasta, bread etc) and I still nearly killed my housemates. It was about six months before I tried low carbing again and I went about it in a completely different way and have ended up eating induction level carbs through preference.

First I cut down my carb portions slightly in each meal, waited a week or two then cut down the portions even further so I was only eating about half the starch element that I had been in each meal. The next thing I did was completely remove the starch from one meal - I think it was breakfast I did first. I had been eating a poached egg on a slice of toast with a slice or two of lean bacon and some mushrooms or spinach - all I did was cut out the slice of toast and replace it with more veg or an extra egg depending on how hungry I was feeling. Once I was happy with that I started on dinner. Instead of rice I had cauliflower rice, instead of potato mash I had cauliflower, swede or celeriac mash and instead of noodles/pasta I had either shirataki noodles or thin ribbons of courgette. For the first while I still mixed in half a small portion of e.g. rice with my cauliflower rice. I normally made enough dinner to have leftovers for lunch the next day. I lost really well on that without worrying about how many carbs were in veg and I still had milk in my tea and berries with yoghurt. I also had a couple of beers a week and the odd slice of cake or whatever. I only went very low carb after doing a lot of reading and deciding that eating a diet very low in carbs and high in fat (including saturated fat) is the healthiest diet for us.

MissWooWoo Sat 07-Jul-12 00:01:22

hey I'll join!

Tortington Sat 07-Jul-12 00:02:20

am marking my place - i have been a slattern recently that is for sure.

hillyhilly Sat 07-Jul-12 00:03:56

I'm with you too, am currently of the mindset that I never want to see another egg or slice of meat but I just need to get the balance right.

QueenStromba Sat 07-Jul-12 00:13:35

I'm glad you've all joined smile

SpringGoddess Sat 07-Jul-12 09:31:16

I started low carbing gradually too. Reducing carb portions first and then I gave up wheat. In the reducing carbs phase, I was still calorie counting and I moved to true low carbing, high fat as a way of escaping the focus on counting calories - I realise I did this back to front but it has helped me maintain and the gradual move towards low carb allowed me to adjust mentally first, I don't miss starchy food. I would like to eat puddings 24/7 but regardless of what diet you choose that is never going to be the pathway to success and kicking my sugar addiction through low carbing has made resisting much easier.

annabegins24 Sat 07-Jul-12 17:56:22

Hiya, I've been low carbing for a couple of weeks now, and weight is coming of nice and steady. Thanks queenstromba for starting this thread!

tanfastic Sat 07-Jul-12 21:46:27

Can I join in? I've been low carbing for a week. Have one stone to lose before the beginning of September. I'm currently 11 stone and 5.5 (or I was last Sunday!). I've basically just been cutting out as much carbs as I can. My biggest weakness is bread and so i've only eaten two slices this week (and that was because I ended up eating beans on toast last night as it was past 8.30 by the time I managed to sit down). My typical day has been :

Cereal or porridge for breakfast with skimmed milk.

Chicken/Turkey or prawn salad for lunch with a boiled egg.

Steak/chicken/salmon for tea with vegetables or salad.

I had a little bit of rice one day but basically cutting down on all the shite I was eating has been the biggest thing for me, cupcakes, lashing of mayonnaise on everything, big fat sandwiches, huge portions, pies, crisps. chocolate etc.

I hope when I weigh myself tomorrow I have lost some weight.

Osmiornica Mon 09-Jul-12 17:45:17

Ooh, can i join in please?

I've been playing around with low carbing for a while but not really sticking with it strictly. I think I need to relax just a little bit and get used to it more. It's very odd not picking the low fat stuff all the time. All my recipes are low fat and I'm having to rethink what I cook as it was all very carb based. It's not going to be a quick transition.

I mostly over the cravings for sugary stuff but struggle with the missing carb element of my meals. I used to cook spag bol, lasagne, roast etc some of which work without carbs. I don't like the cauli mash but found the courgette strips to be nice.

QueenStromba Mon 09-Jul-12 21:28:14

Hi Osmiornica. Have you tried celeriac for mash and chips? And have you tried cauliflower mash with cheese on it? My DP doesn't like cauliflower but I managed to get cauliflower mash past him as part of a fish pie. If you don't like that either then swede makes a good mash but it has about twice as many carbs as celeriac and cauliflower.

QueenStromba Mon 09-Jul-12 21:46:22

Oh, I made the decision today to cook roasts 2-3 times a week. I work from home so the fact that they need to go in the oven 2-2.5 hours before eating isn't a problem for me and they don't need standing over - you just need to set alarms for when each component goes in. Tonight we had gammon with roast aubergine and chips (I had celeriac and my DP had potato). There's enough gammon left for another one or two meals and once that's gone I'm going to slow cook a brisket. We had a chicken last week that did three meals.

Creamtea1 Tue 10-Jul-12 09:15:34

Queen I work from home the majority of the time too, so am lucky in planning meals. I love my slow cooker and brisket is one of my faves. I should really swing between your thread and the bootcamp one as more often than not i am not 100% hardcore.
Second day of feeling a bit sick - and no not preg as only a week since period.
Been LC since jan

tanfastic Tue 10-Jul-12 13:43:40

Well I've lost 4lb grin very happy with that and I definitely feel better for it already.

Today I've had a salmon (tinned) salad fir lunch and I'm having prawn and mushroom stir fry for tea. Been snacking on strawberries nuts and yoghurt.

How are the rest of you doing?

ZimboMum Tue 10-Jul-12 19:33:00

Hi queen <waves from bootcamp thread> have been struggling with low carb for a little while as the weight doesn't seem to be flying off like it does with others. Decided this is the woe for life so it doesn't really matter how long it takes to shift the weight, I'll be healthier anyway. Not going to beat myself up about the odd cheat, will get there in the end. smile

Selky Tue 10-Jul-12 19:45:38

Can I join? I have been cutting out bread/rice/pasta and am ready to do more.

I have lost a couple of pounds so far, but I have several stone to lose.

ferfuxake Tue 10-Jul-12 19:47:47

I'd like to join too please. Just over 4 weeks until I go away and I am still a lard arse despite resolutions going back months. I need to lose about a stone and a half. Would be delighted with 10 pounds before holidays.

I tried Zoe Harcombe before and managed to lose about half a stone very quickly, but then never maintained it, which makes it a bit pointless really.

So I am convinced by the benefits of low carb but also know that I am useless at sticking to strict plans. I'l lhang out here for a bit if that's ok with you. Pizza tonight, diet starts tomorrow. blush

devilinside Wed 11-Jul-12 10:16:50

Hi, I'll join you. As much as I think Atkins is great for weight loss, it does bring you into a situation where you can't have any treats whatsoever (except ultra low-carb ones) I'm happy to eat lower carb (not low carb) and lose slowly.

Today: Greek Yog with strawberries
lunch: salad
Dinner: chille with a small helping of rice

ZimboMum Wed 11-Jul-12 13:05:23

Just had a delish pork steak smothered in mustard and then fied off in butter with asparagus for lunch. Yum. Now if I can just get 20mo DS to actually like something other than hummous for lunch i'll be well away!

QueenStromba Wed 11-Jul-12 15:16:08

What about cauliflower hummous? I keep meaning to try it but any time I've looked for tahini in a shop there hasn't been any.

ZimboMum Wed 11-Jul-12 19:39:17

That sounds amazing! Will add it to the list of things to try!

hillyhilly Wed 11-Jul-12 21:07:31

Woohoo! It seems to work, I have lost 3lb this week and one last week, I have been a lot more careful about carbs. I did however have two big nights and one afternoon with a lot of white wine consumed, and I still lost weight!!!!

ferfuxake Thu 12-Jul-12 10:03:35

Wayhay, I lost a pound and a half on my first day, despite cheating with a packet of maltesers and rather a lot of red wine.

I know this is meaningless really and could just be a fluctuation, but it still makes me feel better. Problem is it also makes me think I can have a Rich Tea or two with my cup of coffee...

I had scrambled eggs and half a piece of toast for breakfast, soup and cheese for lunch and veggie sausages and salad for tea. Would that all sound OK if it wasn't for my cheats?

I need to get a bit more imaginative though. Will be looking out for other people's meal ideas - ideally quick ones that can be put together when knackered from putting 2 small DCs to bed.

QueenStromba Thu 12-Jul-12 12:06:41

I'd ditch the toast in favour of some porridge or baked beans if you must have some carbs at breakfast - I personally find mushrooms fried in butter to be a satisfying breakfast accompaniment.

One thing I'm quite evangelical about is wheat. It's full of anti nutrients which stop you absorbing nutrients from other food. It's associated with every autoimmune, allergic and inflammatory disease - my asthma, allergies and psoriasis have all gotten a lot better since I stopped eating the stuff. Gluten also gets broken down into morphine like proteins which bind to the morphine receptors in your brain causing mild euphoria and the compulsion to eat more - it's estimated that eating wheat can make you consume 400 extra calories in a day. This is why the thing people normally miss most on a low carb diet is bread - the vast majority of people are actually physically addicted to it. If you really can't face giving up bread altogether then spelt or rye bread are better options because spelt and rye haven't been as intensively bred as "normal" wheat and so contain less gluten and any other nasties. If you want to know more about this then Wheat Belly is a fascinating read.

captainmummy Thu 12-Jul-12 15:57:00

I don't miss bread, queen - i miss potatoes! specially new potatoes in butter. I can eat them on their own, dipped in chilli sauce, for tea (not any more, obv sad).

Bit silly planting up a ton of potatoes in my veg patch, earlier this year! (and the onions, strawberries, broad beans, etc!)

QueenStromba Thu 12-Jul-12 16:11:54

Have you tried other veg in butter like broccoli, cauliflower or asparagus?

captainmummy Thu 12-Jul-12 18:08:30

Yeah love all those too, but nothing quite matches a nice new potato, hot from the pan, salted and dipped in chili.


Although the butter on everything is a bonus! Tonight i had aubergine, thinly sliced and fried in butter/oil and rolled round feta. Was yum but feel a bit sick now - too much oil i think!

Definitely won't be hungry for a while!

hillyhilly Fri 13-Jul-12 08:27:27

Last night I had sirloin steak, griddled asparagus, roasted leek, courgette and aubergine and a large field mushroom --- yum yum yum and I lost another lb this morning!!

QueenStromba Fri 13-Jul-12 14:50:10

Today I didn't eat until lunch time (quite common for me) and then went to a steakhouse for lunch. I had garlic prawns for starter and shared a platter of fillet, sirloin, rib eye and rump steak with my DP along with peppercorn sauce, mushroom sauce and salad. I'm absolutely stuffed now so dinner will probably be late and light.

Osmiornica Fri 13-Jul-12 15:03:45

So how bad is black pudding? I quite like it with bacon and eggs but I know it can contain oats but surely not that much?

QueenStromba Fri 13-Jul-12 15:22:01

16-21g per hundred which is very high - bread is only about 40g per hundred.

Osmiornica Fri 13-Jul-12 18:55:39

Really? Oh dear. I bought some for the weekend. Looks like it's bacon and eggs (yet again!) sad

Osmiornica Fri 13-Jul-12 19:07:35

Sorry, should have said thank you in there .. thanks smile

Selky Sat 14-Jul-12 07:58:55

I haven't lost anything yet. sad

QueenStromba Sat 14-Jul-12 12:25:54

How long have you been doing it and can you run me through a typical day's meals Selky?

shouldbedoingtheironing Sun 15-Jul-12 21:13:20

I'd like to join too smile

Very chuffed after losing more than anticipated low carbing but I want to maintain the weight I am now without cutting out carbs completely. It works well for me as a way of eating as wheat doesn't agree with me at all but I can eat some in moderation like a slice of toast and poached egg for breakfast.

Problem for me (like others no doubt) is cooking meals that suit lower carb for me but also for family. Spag bol without the pasta works ok but harder for other meals!!

ZZZenAgain Sun 15-Jul-12 21:19:07

I am having a go at low carbing and it is working out well for me but I think I will try your gradual reduction method with dd. She does have a lot of carbs in her food and this would be a good way of turning that around a bit.

nappyaddict Mon 16-Jul-12 11:40:17

I was told that 60-80% of what you eat should consist of high water content foods - fruit, vegetables, juices, smoothies and soups. Only the remainder should be made up of eggs, meat, fish, rice, bread, potatoes, nuts, seeds, pulses and dairy.

Does that fit in with low carbing or not?

Osmiornica Mon 16-Jul-12 13:35:37

Not really as juices and fruit are high in carbs - the juices in particular unless they're veg juices. The veg is ok and soups depend on what's in them ie no spuds/thickeners. Not sure about smoothies as I don't know what goes in them (don't like them that much).

I'm finding this easier now o am going to start going lower on the carbs again. I'm no longer craving bread and haven't had any for ages.

quirkychick Mon 16-Jul-12 13:45:16

Ooh hello!
Can I join? I have been doing the eat more to lose weight thread using mfp and slowly cutting down the carbs. Using mfp to track carb/fat/protein.

I am now just eating a little oats with a protein porridge: protein shake, oats, flaxseed, greek yoghurt & berries for breakfast. Otherwise mostly fish/egg salads for lunch and meat/fish with veg for dinner. Nuts and occasional cheese/dark choc for snacks.

I looked at the bootcamp but ran away <wimp>.

ValentineBombshell Mon 16-Jul-12 20:36:39

Is there a website where you can get meal suggestions and recipes for lo-carbing? I am a carboholic and particularly in the evening I can undo a day's good work. This week I have cut out bread.

cuggles Mon 16-Jul-12 20:43:09

ooh - sounds like the perfect gang for me here...I have started WW, the genesis fasting diet, my own mix and match, SW you name it since January and whilst I have lost a few inches here and there I am stuck with about a stone to lose and a flipping great muffin top for which I did blame the DCs but since DS is now 14 months I have to get real. Was hoping to diet for holiday about 6 months away but it is now 7 weeks! Have just had Pizza and Garlic bread which confirms for me that wheat and I dont get on and so here we go. I did cut out bread for 9 months a few years ago and felt much better but it has crept up and up. Starting with breakfast...what is best - porridge??

Sprogged Mon 16-Jul-12 21:01:14

Hello, can I join too please? Dh has been paleo for couple months now, that's the same as low carbing isn't is? The weight's dropping off him but he doesn't eat til tea time at the weekends. Is there a list of dos and don't anywhere? For example, I have eggs for breakfast, but usually with a slice of gluten free toast. Is gluten free okay or would no toast at all be better? Thanks in anticipation x

shouldbedoingtheironing Mon 16-Jul-12 21:17:28

The low carb diet I was following allows a slice of toast for breakfast and an open sandwich for lunch although preferably not both on the same day and no carbs in the evening. This worked really well for me. Poached egg on toast is great stuff for breakfast! No porridge was allowed in this diet though cuggles!!

Sprogged Mon 16-Jul-12 21:50:46

Thanks shouldbedoingtheironing, love a bit of toast to mop up the yolk, yum, roll on breakfast smile

QueenStromba Mon 16-Jul-12 22:22:50

shouldbedoingtheironing: Maybe it's the food I normally cook, but I don't normally have any problem low carbing something but still making it acceptable for everyone else with a different accompanyment. Have you tried mashed cauliflower or celeriac as a replacement for mash, grated cauliflower as a replacement for rice and courgette cut in ribbons with a veg peeler as noodles/spaghetti? Celeriac is also brilliant instead of potato in chips and roast potatoes - I do a lot of meals that are chips/roasties and roast meat of some sort. For things like fish pie and shepherds pie, I normally just do cauliflower or celeriac mash for everyone - because this isn't a low calorie plan then it's ok for everyone.

ZZZenAgain: Good plan - I think that everyone could benefit from eating less carbs and John Briffa does recommend low carb even for children. I'm all belly and have been since I was a child and was borderline prediabetic at the age of 29 which had a lot to do with my genetics but probably just as much with the fact that my diet as a child was almost entirely carbohydrate.

Hi QuirkyChick smile I don't blame you for running away. The bootcamp rules are basically impossible to stick to - I can eat less than 20g of carbs a day most days but I can't follow the Bootcamp rules for more than 2-3 days!

ValentineBombshell: Theres a Bootcamp Recipe Thread which has a load of low carb recipes (few of which actually conform to the Bootcamp rules. I've put some of my own low carb recipes on there. I can also recommend this site. I've found that whenever I fancy a particular food which is a bit on the carby side if I google the name of the food and low carb then someone has come up with a recipe for it.

cuggles: Welcome to the thread. The best breakfast on a low carb diet is something egg based. If you're worried about time then it's possible to scramble 6 eggs in some butter in a minute or so in a large frying pan - this is my "really can't be arsed" breakfast for me and my DP. Leftover dinner from the previous night is also a good option. If you don't want to cut out carby food in all of your meals then going for porridge at breakfast with skimmed milk is the best choice - have a google for the Harcome Diet if you're interested in that. She suggests that it's fine to eat high carb, low fat meals and high fat, low carb meals but you have to leave 3-4 hours between meals and you can't have lots of fat and carbs in the same meal.

Hi Sprogged, welcome to the thread smile Paleo is a low/lower carb plan depending on your food choices. The mad strict low carbers would be shocked by the fact that you can have fruit and the occasional potato but it fits in nicely with my personal ethos of finding your own level of carbs that you would be happy sticking with for the rest of your life. I don't have a list of dos and don'ts that I recommend - I really do think that everyone should have a play around until they find out what works for them. No toast is best but gluten free toast is better than normal - I normally have a load of fried mushrooms with my eggs which I find really filling and have practically no carbs. If your DH is doing Paleo then you should get him to show you the ropes - it would probably be a nice thing for the two of you to do as a couple. Maybe you can get him to join the thread too!

QueenStromba Mon 16-Jul-12 22:27:46

Cross posted there! shouldbedoingtheironing - of a small amount starchy things at just one meal if you really need to have carbs is probably the best way of doing things because it will allow you to go into fat burning mode for say 15 hours of the day. I personally think that porridge is better than bread though because wheat is the work of the devil as far as I'm concerned.

captainmummy Tue 17-Jul-12 08:18:07

Are you a dietician QueenStompa? Nutritionist?

quirkychick Tue 17-Jul-12 08:28:11

valentinebombshell this website: is a primal/paleo blog with loads of recipes. Also in the beginning bit he talks about slipping into this woe.

I will look at that website with recipes, thanks QueenStromba. And thanks for this thread, exactly what I am trying to do.

Creamtea1 Tue 17-Jul-12 08:57:35

I'm staying here, I get ignored on the other thread now anyway meh
So, talk to me about pork scratchings/crunch - I've been having real cravings for them and cannot find them anywhere. I don't know if it's specifically for them or whether it's something salty I am wanting?
Also, cannot get past my current weight - have been stuck for nearly 2 weeks now (yes have been good) - any ideas?

GibbsGirl Tue 17-Jul-12 09:42:01

Would like to join too. Just started reading up on this and am trying to cut down on carbs as it feels less harsh/dramatic than cutting out completely and we do love rice and pasta in this house. Had bacon and mushrooms for breakfast this morning, instead of toast or cereal though so will see when I feel hungry (usually at 10am!) Also love to bake - we always have cakes in the house, does the need for something sweet diappear and what about offering something to guests?

Sprogged Tue 17-Jul-12 10:00:47

Thanks QueenStromba, and thanks for all the great ideas and recipe links, it's going to make it so much easier. I spoke to hubby last night and he's in, we're visiting relatives this weekend (and our house is full of carbs) so we're starting in earnest on Monday and we'll be stocking up on mushrooms (for breakfast), cauliflower and celeriac. Yeah he really disagrees with the idea of no fruit, I think he might of said because of the way body digests it but I'm not certain. He's out today, I'll ask him to post when he's got a minute. We don't eat much in the way of rice or potatoes now, just been cutting out wheat, but it's going to be so much nicer now to have a replacement for them.

quirkychick I think dh said is the blog he goes by, he's looked into nutrition for ages now and he really likes that site.

I just checked coconut, 12g carbs per 80g, pah!

SharonGless Tue 17-Jul-12 10:07:44

creamtea you have a few replies on the other thread grin

QueenStromba Tue 17-Jul-12 10:57:52

Hi Creamtea. I looked up your post on the other thread. You can still be salt deficient even without drinking loads of water especially if you are eating mainly unprocessed food. Don't forget that sodium chloride isn't the only salty tasting thing so your salt craving might be driven by low potassium or one of the other electrolytes. Have you been putting normal salt or lo-salt on your food? Salt cravings plus lack of weight loss even though you've stuck to the diet makes me think that you are probably potassium deficient since low potassium will make you retain water.

Creamtea1 Tue 17-Jul-12 11:18:18

Queen - yes you could be right, I have been retaining water as drinking a reasonable amount but not that many wee's - it's just normal salt (sea salt) I have on my food.
Should I get some kind of supplements or is there a potassium rich food I could up?

QueenStromba Tue 17-Jul-12 12:01:24

Hi captainmummy, I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist, I'm doing a genetics/evolutionary biology PhD at the moment. I started low carbing to lose weight and found that I felt a lot better and that my fasting blood glucose went from borderline prediabetic to perfect and my blood pressure dropped by 30/20. This made me wonder why a diet that goes against everything that is claimed to be healthy drastically improved two things that were a worry on a normal diet. So I've done a lot of reading into the science behind it and into the politics of how we ended up with the dietary guidelines we have. Probably the last person you should listen to about nutrition is a nutritionist because they have to tell you to eat a low fat diet because that's what the government advocates.

QueenStromba Tue 17-Jul-12 12:09:54

Switch to lo-salt and eat some avocados is my advice Creamtea, spinach is good too. I drink a lot of water (4-5 liters a day) so I find that I need to supplement with electrolytes - I take a half teaspoon of this stuff whenever I notice the signs of low electrolytes which is 2-3 times a week at the moment but probably once a week over winter.

theQuibbler Tue 17-Jul-12 13:01:43

Hello all, I’d really like to join in or at least mark my place on this thread. I low carbed (pig to twig) diet 2 yrs ago and lost a lot of weight nice and quickly (nearly 70 lbs!).

Then I got pregnant again and put a lot of it back on. Breastfeeding helps lots of women but it just makes me so hungry and at 3 am in the morning, I’m not reaching for steamed broccoli florets, I’m sticking my hand in the biscuit jar...
...Which is a longwinded way of saying that I’ve put on another stone on top of my pregnancy weight shock

Anyway DS is now 11 months old and it’s time to tackle this. I’m fat and uncomfortable and still in my maternity clothes. I’m also still breastfeeding but obviously he’s on solids as well.

I don’t think it’s advisable to go full-on low carb because it might affect my milk supply and I don’t want to do that, but it won’t hurt to cut out the biscuits and the chocolate and the sweets and the white rice/pasta/potatoes and concentrate on fruit and veg and meat and pulses.

So, … time to get back on the wagon and dust off the Davina/Jillian Michael DVDs and see where I end up. I’d like to feel 'normal' again by Christmas smile.

pumkintits Tue 17-Jul-12 14:03:58

I am on board!! Have stradily gone up in weight since my boyfriend moved in, plus I think low carb is good for PCOS.
Think I need to gradually, so no more sugar, bread or white rice pasta.

quirkychick Tue 17-Jul-12 15:13:53

Well, I have been no grains (except a small amount of oats at breakfast) since the end of last month. I have been snacking on nuts etc. to stop me feeling hungry but today I have really not been very hungry.

Protein porridge (tiny bit porridge with protein shake, flaxseed & berries) for breakfast.
Omelette with cream cheese and spinach for lunch.

Maybe I have started fat burning?

I think I am ready to try swapping my protein porridge for no oats.

Low carb is supposed to be good for pcos, pumpkintits.

I started trying to eat more healthily after loads of recurrent tonsilitis/chest infections. Starting with low gi/wholegrains and slowly reducing. Feeling and looking better already smile.

QueenStromba Tue 17-Jul-12 19:35:12

Welcome to the thread pumkintits. Eating as few carbs as possible will definitely help with PCOS since PCOS is part of syndrome X which is a whole host of diseases which occur together and are linked to carbohydrates in the diet. The message that the medical establishment gives out is that diabetes and PCOS are caused by obesity but actually if you look at the evidence properly then it's obvious that PCOS, diabetes and obesity are all caused by eating more carbohydrates than your particular metabolism can handle.

QueenStromba Tue 17-Jul-12 19:37:29

Welcome theQuibbler, you don't necessarily have to make an effort to stay out of ketosis while you are breast feeding - this is a nice blog post on the matter. Do what you're happiest with though - the only rule of this thread is that you should eat a diet that you are comfortable with.

QueenStromba Tue 17-Jul-12 19:40:52

Sounds like you've gotten into ketosis quirkychick. If you want to stay there then getting rid of the oats is probably a good plan. I've not tried it myself but I've heard of people making a porridge with just flax meal.

LeB0F Tue 17-Jul-12 20:06:46

I'm reading this and the Bootcamp thread for some ideas- I have decided to drastically cut down on carbs because I need to lose weight, especially round my middle, and hopefully avoid the diabetes that my mum now has.

I haven't read much yet, but can you give me some feedback on whether I'm on the right track, please?

For breakfast/brunch, I had a two-egg omelette with a bit of ham (I'd already had a few swigs of strawberry&banana smoothie before my brain kicked in blush). Mid-afternoon, I scoffed a few salt and pepper cashews (a good handful), and for my dinner, I've just had roasted Mediterranean vegetables with some feta crumbled over. Then a few spoonfuls of natural yoghurt (but it was low fat, so maybe I need to change that?), and a few more nuts. I've stayed off the coffee and had herbal tea all day, and water.

How does that sound?

quirkychick Tue 17-Jul-12 21:12:08

Sounds yummy, LeB0F are you getting enough protein? <waits for someone with more expertise to come along...>

QueenStromba have already made fridge "porridge" with greek yoghurt, protein shake (plain) and flaxseed with frozen berries grin for tomorrow. Had eggy breakfasts over weekend, so I know I can manage without oats.

LeB0F Tue 17-Jul-12 21:55:20

I've downloaded John Briffa's book an hour ago and I'm rollicking through it. He has just said that nuts are fab and completely harmless when eaten in vast quantities (I may be exaggerating), so I'm going to polish off the packet grin.

I went to Aldi and stocked up on chicken, ham, salmon, cottage cheese, halloumi (yum) etc, so I should get a bit more protein tomorrow.

quirkychick Tue 17-Jul-12 23:01:22

I have just finished John Briffa's book yesterday. Really easy to read. I love nuts! Yy to Aldi salmon, greek yoghurt- will try the halloumi. Love their deli stuff.

hillyhilly Wed 18-Jul-12 08:36:25

Another lb off for me this week! That's 6lb in 4 weeks, they're the last 6 or so I needed to lose which usually makes them all the harder to get rid off.
Scrambled eggs for breakfast everyday, meat & salad at lunch, today we have ham & eggs salad, then tonight we have good food magazine's nutty chicken curry, last night it was Sirloin steak with Aubergine and ricotta rolls and griddled asparagus. This does not feel like a diet, I think I may be converted!

cuggles Wed 18-Jul-12 10:01:26

Thanks for the info Queenstromba - was planning on starting yesterday but had a nightmare day with the little ones and a packet of MandS cookies to finish off - all gone now though so I am good to go! Am going to go as low carb as possible and will get going on the egg breakfast! I have fat mostly round middle and a diabetic mother so better get cracking...also 37 and want to get it off before it all gets harder! ..will read in more detail and report back tonight!

Lorelilee Wed 18-Jul-12 11:52:14

LeBof, I'm relatively new to this, but can tell you that cashews are a paticularly carb-heavy member of the nut family. You're better off with Macademias or Brazils. Sorry!

Tunnocksteacakesrock Wed 18-Jul-12 12:14:26

This all sounds really interesting and I was thinking about trying. Are any of you veggie? Also is it safe for kids to low carb do you think?

quirkychick Wed 18-Jul-12 14:13:37

tunnockteacakesrock there were lots of veggie recipes on the link to the bootcamp recipe thread.

I think cashews are quite carby (for nuts). Delicious, though.

QueenStromba Wed 18-Jul-12 15:31:09

John Briffa's opinion on kids low carbing is that there's no reason not to feed them low carb food but that carbs are normally better tolerated in children than adults so they can have some carbs with their dinner and it won't do them a lot of damage. So you'll be setting them up with healthy eating patterns if most of their food is low carb but the odd desert or carb based dinner at a friend's house won't be the end of the world.

LeB0F Wed 18-Jul-12 15:35:33

Ah, thanks for the heads up on the nuts, I will avoid the delights of cashews for a while then!

QueenStromba Wed 18-Jul-12 16:25:08

Pistachios are another one to look out for - carb counts on the label vary from 8g per hundred which isn't too bad to 27g per hundred which is insanely carby depending which brand you buy. Babycorn is another one like that - some places have it listed as 2.7g and other have it as over 20g. If you're eating one of those you have to bear in mind that the carb count on the label could be really inaccurate so only eat them if you're happy with the possibility that you could be eating 27g per hundred in the case of pistachios and 20g per hundred in the case of babycorn. It's a shame because I bloody love pistachios and babycorn. I'm rather tempted to buy a blood glucose monitor to see what they do to my blood sugar - see if there is a difference between the ones labelled as really carby and the ones labelled as low carb.

LeB0F Wed 18-Jul-12 16:41:37

I do try to make sure that I only buy fags which slow foetal growth or cause impotence, as being neither pregnant nor male makes those ones ok for me. Same principle? grin

Gah to the pistachios- I bought a packet of those too angry

There's a health food shop round the corner; I will check in there for macadamias, and maybe some seedy snacks. Seedy in a good way.

QueenStromba Wed 18-Jul-12 16:49:56

Brazil nuts are very low carb too - I tried really hard to find someone that listed them as anything other than 2.1-3.1g per hundred and failed. Almonds seem to be a fairly consistent 7-8g per hundred which is fine because you won't normally eat loads in a sitting - I don't think you need to be as careful as you would have to be with a vegetable with the same carb count because most people would easily eat 200g of veg in a sitting but would be quite full after 50g of almonds.

QueenStromba Wed 18-Jul-12 17:05:44

Oh and when you're in the health food shop have a look for ground linseeds (also known as flax). It's really low carb and can be used to make things like low carb muffins, pizza bases, crackers etc. It also has lots of omega 3. Some people can't make use of the plant version of omega 3 but you may as well eat it because omega 3 has anti-inflammatory properties so if you can utilize the plant version then it will do you a load of good.

It's also a good plan to incorporate oily fish into the diet (but not too much of the mercury containing ones like tuna and swordfish) to up your omega 3 intake and make an effort to avoid vegetable oils because they are high in omega 6 which is pro-inflammatory. Ideally you want your omega 3 intake to equal your omega 6 intake to balance them out but you're doing well if you can just get the ratio down to 3:1. Just like "healthy wholegrains" being anything but when you actually look into the science, "healthy fats" like vegetable oils are actually bad for you. There are only three vegetable oils that are actually good for you - coconut oil which is mostly saturated fat, olive oil which is mostly mono-unsaturated fat and linseed/flax oil which has a lot of polyunsaturated fat (which is generally bad) but most of it is omega 3 which is good for you as opposed to omega 6 which isn't.

BonkeyMollocks Wed 18-Jul-12 17:09:14

<marking place for a read later> smile

QueenStromba Wed 18-Jul-12 17:18:02

Welcome to the thread BonkeyMollocks - I absolutely love your name!

LeB0F Wed 18-Jul-12 17:45:13

Isn't it the other way round on the three and six? I get the principle though, I think. I read half of the John Briffa book last night, and I may not have retained that correctly though.

QueenStromba Wed 18-Jul-12 18:06:25

You want more omega 3 than omega 6 but you'll be doing well if you end up with only 3 times as much omega 6 as omega 3.

BonkeyMollocks Wed 18-Jul-12 19:14:21

Ok, I have had a read through and I think I can do this smile

Another one here who looked at Bootcamp threads and then waddled my arse in the opposite direction!

Desperately need to get back on track. I lost a stone at the beginning of the year, then plied it all back on again blush

3st in total needs to go!

My biggest problem is carbs, bread to be exact! I could munch my way through a whole fresh loaf if I let myself. It needs to stop. I feel shit!

As of tomorrow I'm in!

Btw never ever thought about cauliflower rice, sounds really yummy!

LeB0F Wed 18-Jul-12 19:17:13

Dinner was: salmon fillet with veg, roasted tomatoes and plenty of butter&pepper. For pud, full fat Greek yoghurt, with a few blueberries and a kiwi. All very nice, and filling!

I've only been doing this since yesterday, and I don't feel deprived at all- and I don't feel bloated and as though I'm entering the room stomach-first. I reckon this might just work.

Sprogged Thu 19-Jul-12 22:24:15

Had a good 2 days, had 3 boiled eggs for breakfast yesterday, was quite hungry, felt really bloated and wasn't at all hungry at lunch time - but hubby made it so would have been rude not to dig in. Had lean diced steak with mushrooms, all fried in lovely butter and some green beans, it was well nice. Had half an avocado just before bed. Today had an egg scrambled with butter and smoked salmon for breakfast, and liver and green beans with mashed celeriac for lunch. I've never had celeriac before and was pleasantly surprised, cooks just like potato and tastes really nice. Hubby made a chocolate cake though, flour free but bit of sugar in it, had that with some greek yoghurt and a coffee. Not as low carb today but not at all peckish today or yesterday. Got a killer headache but I think that's lack of sleep (grumpy baby).

I'm nagging hubby to join and post grin

Selky Fri 20-Jul-12 07:31:11

I've lost 3 pounds this week, which I'm very pleased about.

I didn't lose anything in the first 10 days. So maybe I'm just a slow starter!

captainmummy Fri 20-Jul-12 08:22:07

I remember your plaintive posts Selky! Glad it's going the right way!

Sprogged Fri 20-Jul-12 08:52:44

Just wondering about tea and coffee. I have each with 2 sugars and milk and it's the only thing I've missed the last 2 days. I thought I'd have a bash before starting next week proper but it seems so easy - I've got boxes of free from crackerbreads that I thought I'd struggle with because I usually have 9 or 10 a day with pate (individually, not boxes), but not missed them at all.

Is it best to have tea/coffee on it's own between meals or are the carbs so low it doesn't matter?

Loving all the advice and knowing what other people are eating.

QueenStromba Fri 20-Jul-12 11:07:20

Two sugars are going to 8g by itself and the sugar in milk can add up really quickly. Also, table sugar is really bad for you - fructose, which makes up half of table sugar has been implemented in lots of metabolic diseases. Have a watch of this video when you have the time - he explains it far better than I do.

Could you limit yourself to one cup a day and gradually cut down on the amount of sugar you use? I used to take 2 sugars in coffee and managed to cut them out just by putting a quarter of a teaspoon less in each time. Not long after, someone bought be a latte and I was convinced that there was sugar in it but I was actually tasting the sweetness of the milk. Also, if you get down to no sugar in your coffee you can have it with cream which feels wonderfully decadent after years of worrying about fat smile

QueenStromba Fri 20-Jul-12 11:14:33

I'm so happy you stuck with it Selky and that you're finally seeing results. Did you do anything differently? This is a funny old way of eating - people quite often report staying the same for ages and then 3 or 4 pounds just disappear overnight. It's also quite common to lose inches but not scale weight, so taking measurements every few weeks is a good idea. The most important thing to remember when you aren't losing though is that this is a much healthier way of eating than the government recommended diet so even if the scales aren't moving, you're still reaping the health benefits.

nappyaddict Fri 20-Jul-12 11:30:33

Can you rank milk, cream, mascarpone, creme fraiche in order of what's best for low carbing?

QueenStromba Fri 20-Jul-12 12:18:12

It's really a balance of how carby something is versus how much of it you are likely to eat. Double cream has about a third of the carbs of milk plus it's not really something you can eat a lot of. I used to drink a good 12 liters of milk a week and now a 300ml tub of cream lasts the week unless I cook with it. I'm a bit of a sad bastard so I've weighed how much cream I put in a cup of tea and it's about 7ml of double cream to get the same "milkiness" as 15ml of single cream and probably 40ml of milk. The double cream has about 0.1g of carbs in that size serving, the single cream has about 0.5g and the milk about 2g. It might not sound like a lot but all of those 2g add up over the course of a day and if you have milk rather than double cream you are having 20 times as much carb in your tea.

Mascarpone and creme fraiche are both fine - about twice the carbs of double cream but (if you go for the full fat - the reduced fat stuff is about twice as carby again), unlike milk, you're unlikely to get through large amounts of them. Again though, if you think you can get the same results using double cream then use that - you'll probably find you need less of it.

All of this assumes that you're eating quite low carb. If you're still eating the odd carby thing throughout the day then you can't go too high with the fat.

Sprogged Fri 20-Jul-12 17:16:58

Thanks Queen, will hopefully have chance to watch tonight. Hmmm, cream smile.

nappyaddict Fri 20-Jul-12 17:38:56

I tried to compare them in the shop but yoghurt and creme fraiche's nutritional values were per 100g and milk and cream were per 100ml and I know ml and g aren't interchangable so thanks for your help.

I was thinking mainly for sauces, eating fruit salad with and putting in my coffee.

QueenStromba Fri 20-Jul-12 19:37:31

Actually for edible liquids a ml and a gram are normally so close to each other that you can treat them as being the same because a ml is the same weight as a gram of water and most edible liquids have a high water content. Oil weighs about 90g per hundred ml so if you assumed double cream was half oil and half water which is a decent approximation, then 100ml of double cream would weigh about 95g.

QueenStromba Fri 20-Jul-12 19:45:02

Oops, missed the last bit of your post there. Double cream is best for all of those things except maybe the fruit salad. If you are just having berries then cream is good but other fruit can be very high in carbs. If you are eating carby stuff then you have to be more careful about your fat content. I've not tried her diet myself but a lot of people have success with the Harcombe diet and she says you can have some carby stuff but don't have it within three hours of a fatty meal. I'd imagine she'd suggest something like 0% Total Greek yoghurt with fruit salad since she allows porridge but only with skimmed milk.

TheRedQueen Fri 20-Jul-12 20:03:24

I would like to do some reading about low carbing. Where should I start? Can anyone recommend any good sources of information? (books, websites, etc.). I'm not so interested in diet books as such, but texts which tell me a bit about the science and philosophy behind low carbing and, ideally, which provide lists/guidance on what (not) to eat.

Thanks. TRQ

nappyaddict Fri 20-Jul-12 20:04:25

It would be raspberries, blueberries or strawberries.

QueenStromba Fri 20-Jul-12 20:05:45

They're fine to have with cream smile Raspberries are the lowest carb so try to eat more of them if you can.

QueenStromba Fri 20-Jul-12 20:18:56

Escape the Diet Trap is really good and it goes into other aspects of what healthy eating actually is like how "heart healthy polyunsaturated fats" are anything but. He explains everything in a very clear, accessible way while still explaining the science behind things.

Wheat Belly is also fantastic. It's all about how carbs are bad for you and how wheat is the worst carb of all so it gives a good explanation about why carbs are bad and tells a shocking story about just how unhealthy wheat is. I'm pretty sure that most of the people who read that book will never purposefully eat wheat again.

Also, I've only had it for about a week and haven't had to time to read past the first chapter, but The art and science of low carbohydrate living gets great reviews from all the big players in the low carb world. It was originally intended for doctors but they realised while writing it that most doctors wouldn't have a particularly strong biochemistry background so the final book ended up being something that most people would be able to read and understand.

TheRedQueen Fri 20-Jul-12 20:41:36

Brilliant. Thanks so much, QueenStromba. Will get on Amazon.

FaintingGoat Sat 21-Jul-12 10:21:15

Thanks for the info about milk & cream, QueenStromba, that's really useful. I'm new to all this low carbing stuff - to be honest, I'm here on behalf of DP who has recently realised he needs to lose some weight (entirely his choice and decision, although I agree). He seems to want to do it without changing his eating habits or giving anything up though! As I do most of the cooking, I'm looking for ways to make his mealths better for him, without changing all our diets.

lowestpriority Sat 21-Jul-12 11:18:20

I am also low carbing. My main problem is terrible headaches. Is this normal?

QueenStromba Sat 21-Jul-12 14:17:23

Headaches on low carb are normally due to low electrolytes - get some lo-salt and put loads of it on your food to replace sodium and potassium.

quirkychick Sat 21-Jul-12 21:56:18

Another vote for Escape the Diet Trap. If you search there is a good webchat on mn with John Briffa with a link to a clip. Very easy to read.

I had read several books which had been much more complicated in explaining the low carb science. The others look interesting, though, QueenStromba.

Yummy food in this woe:
Breakfast: poached egg, fried mushrooms, roasted onions and tomatoes (with sausages for rest of family)
Lunch: green salad with cheddar and walnuts in pesto dressing, greek yoghurt with protein shake to make up protein
Dinner: meatballs with ratatouille (with brown rice for others).

quirkychick Sat 21-Jul-12 21:57:06

First bit was to TheRedQueen.

colette Sun 22-Jul-12 14:21:23

Can I join, please smile ?
Just back from hols and have not put on as much weight as I thought . Am off to do food shopping later and am really inspired by this thread as know I should cut carbs but am not ready to go hard core!
Would be really good to have some more examples of what you eat in a day like quirkychick's above as I can easily fall back into same old rut.. and wonder why I am not losing weight

quirkychick Sun 22-Jul-12 16:24:49

Hi colette! Glad you liked my food wink. There is a link further up the thread to some recipes on the bootcamp thread.

I have been experimenting with the baked cooked breakfast: sling it in the oven altogether with olive oil. Today we had it as a late brunch with: bacon, meatballs (left from yesterday), courgette, onion and tomatoes with herbs. Really delicious.

I had lost 6lb with eat more to lose weight and had been slowly reducing carbs. I had plateaued and now I have lost another 2lb this week. As well as inches from bust/waist/hips. And I had frozen berries with double cream for pudding!

colette Sun 22-Jul-12 17:37:17

thanks quirkychick and well done. I will look at the link.
Amazing pudding to eat and lose weight !

Olympicnmix Sun 22-Jul-12 18:31:13

I meant to say thank you for the links QueenStromba provided way upthread.

I tried making Cauli rice this evening following an American recipe and it was not good. Recipe said blitz cauliflower in food processor to rice consistency, cover and cook in microwave, no need to add water. Then return to food processor, "add cream cheese and pepper, blitz and voila!" Am sure the last word is a typo, it should say 'blitz and vomit' as that was what it looked and vaguely smelt like.

earthpixie Sun 22-Jul-12 18:35:51

I need to lose 2 stone and have been eating quite low-carb for a few days as a preamble to doing it properly. I suffer from bad water retention and when I don't eat wheat I find it's a million times better. I find breakfasts the hardest as I get up stupidly early and am not really functioning properly!

Could someone explain how to use protein shake/powder as 'porridge' please?

ZimboMum Sun 22-Jul-12 19:38:00

Olympicnmix I make cauli rice by putting it through food processor on grater attachment, putting in microwave with lid for eight mins and then voila! No messing with second blending or other additions. Think I actually prefer it to normal rice! ESP with curry.

Olympicnmix Sun 22-Jul-12 19:43:27

Thanks Zimbo, I shall try that when I next do a sauce-based recipe, as I think it must need some. Does taste good on it's own or does it need something adding to it?

topsi Sun 22-Jul-12 19:59:10

Hi I tried low carb a while back but had to give up as I felt strange the whole time and would wake up hungry and think I felt a bit depressed too.
I have just bought the John Briffa book hoping for a different take on things but I think if I try again I will feel just the same.
I am in trouble because I rely on weetabix and banana at bed to help me sleep.
Is brown rice allowed?
Maybe I need to try low GI diet instead?

nappyaddict Sun 22-Jul-12 20:14:04

quirkychick Have you got the recipe for the ratatouille?

QueenStromba Are blackberries or blackcurrants allowed?

The only other fruit I really enjoy are peaches, melon, pineapple, apple and bananas but I am guessing all those would be banned?

quirkychick Sun 22-Jul-12 21:29:26

Ratatouille was onions, peppers, courgettes, garlic and mushrooms with passata. I fried the veg in olive oil until very soft and added passata and cooked for ages. Blended and gave as tomato sauce to kids.

Fridge porridge is usually greek yoghurt, flaxseed, milk, oats and fruit. Care of

Low carb version: greek yoghurt,
flaxseed, impact protein powder mixed together; add flavourings and fruit. Leave in fridge over night. Lots of lovely flavours e.g. add strawberries and vanilla essence, frozen cherries and almond essence, blackberries and cinnamon... Flaxseed thickens the yoghurt and if you use frozen fruit/berries it melts into the "porridge". I think you can cook a porridge with flaxseed and protein powder but I haven't tried it.

Made this tonight but with frozen redcurrants/blackcurrants as well as raspberries & blackberries. Big hit, I will be doing that again!

QueenStromba Sun 22-Jul-12 22:12:41

earthpixie - Have you tried scrambled eggs for breakfast? Three eggs and a knob of butter will cook in a medium sized frying pan in less than a minute. And don't forget that you don't have to eat "breakfast food" at breakfast time. Most cultures don't actually eat anything different for breakfast - I think we may have been had by the cereal advertisers. The easiest breakfast of all is to just make extra at dinner time and heat it up the next morning - this also works well for lunches.

Olympicnmix - I do the same for cauli rice except I just stick it in the food processor with the normal blade in and pulse. I also normally just put it in a small tupperware box in the microwave for about 2 mins then let it sit for a couple of mins with the lid still on. I wouldn't eat it on its own - I just have it with curry really.

nappyadict - I don't recommend eating a lot of fruit, but 100g of lowish carb fruit a few times a week should be ok. Blackberries have a similar carb count to raspberries which makes them a good choice. I had a bit of trouble finding carb counts for blackcurrants but from what I can tell they have a carb count of about 10g per hundred which makes them a bit on the high side to have by themselves but a few mixed in with some other berries won't do you any harm. Out of the other fruit, bananas and pineapples are out because they are high carb and high GI and apples and melon will vary according to the variety to it's hard to say. Peaches are surprisingly low carb - I checked Asda, Tesco and Sainsbury's and they all said 7.6g per hundred so odd one probably won't do much damage.

QueenStromba Sun 22-Jul-12 22:27:49

topsi - I got really moody when I tried to cut my carbs down drastically all at once but I was fine when I cut them down gradually as I described in the opening post. Actually I was better than fine because within a short space of time I was able to cut my antidepressant dose in half. I also found that within a short space of time my insomnia completely disappeared - it used to take me an hour to get to sleep on a really good night and on low carb I turned into someone who was asleep as soon as my head hit the pillow and 20 mins to get to sleep was a bad night. I've been rather stressed the last week or two so I've been sleeping badly - that used to mean I'd get no sleep at all but now it means it takes me an hour to get to sleep.

One thing that can really help sleep rather than carbs is taking a magnesium supplement an hour or so before bedtime. I've not tried it myself yet but I'm about to order some from Amazon because unfortunately Boots only stock magnesium oxide which isn't very readily absorbed by the body.

watersign76 Sun 22-Jul-12 22:44:48

I'm in. What an inspirational thread, a big thanks to Queenstromba for all her LC knowledge!!

I had already started trying to do this, but hadn't got far. I am re-inspired.

To complicate matters I have emotional issues re food (who doesn't to some extent) but I am sure sugar/carbs play a part in my probs - ie it isn't just in my head, it is physiological too.

Added to which I have PCOS. My cycle has responded to metformin, so I am guessing that reducing carbs would be good for me in so many ways.

Interested to see the oat/yogurt breakfast things. Recently discovered Moma in Sainsburys - Too sugary for what we are looking for, but the idea is the similar.

Here is to a low carb week everyone.

QueenStromba Sun 22-Jul-12 23:06:14

Welcome watersign76 smile You should start feeling a lot better on a low carb diet. PCOS is just one of a number of problems that come under the banner of metabolic syndrome/syndrome x which is related to insulin resistance and carbohydrate sensitivity. There was a pilot study done by one of the authors of the most recent Atkins book (all of whom are well respected low carb researchers but I can't remember which one it was) where they put 5 women who had such sever PCOS that they couldn't conceive on a low carb diet. Over the course of the study they all had much improved symptoms and two of them actually got pregnant.

Really the NHS is failing in their duty of care for not recommending low carb to everyone with symptoms of syndrome X, particularly diabetes and PCOS. Similarly, wheat has been linked to basically every immunological disorder from allergies, asthma, eczema etc to autoimmune diseases like arthritis, MS etc. I've never had a doctor recommend a gluten free diet for my allergies, asthma or psoriasis but since I've stopped eating wheat they've all vastly improved.

quirkychick Mon 23-Jul-12 07:04:35

That's interesting QueenStromba I have asthma, as do dds. I had started the eat more to lose weight as I needed ro recover from bad chest infection.

I had a borderline high blood pressure reading at a healthcheck: 140/90. I have been tracking it at home. Initially, I was reading 135+/85+ pre diet changes. Then I was 125ish/80ish when on low gi and now I am 120ish/75+ on low carb. I was told by nurse to follow a mediterranean diet, drink no coffee and do yoga. I now do low carb, weights/pilates/yoga (I was already doing this but have upped my weights), and drink the odd coffee.

The berry pudding I linked to was for family "tea" as an alternative to cake as mil came round, not an everyday thing. Also had homemade smoked mackerel pate (cream cheese, lemon zest) with crudites instead of sandwiches. High carbers ate pudding and didn't want any biscuits afterwards.

There's a delicious chocolate mousse made with dark choc and whipped coconut cream on same site.

NCIS Mon 23-Jul-12 08:04:13

Hi All, I've just started low carbing after trying calorie counting and failing miserably.
I'm 12 stone and would like to get down to 9.5. Been cutting out carbs for three days now and am finding it quite easy (have probably spoken too soon) as we are quite a carnivorous family.
So far a typical day is raspberries and full fat natural yoghurt for breakfast, small handful of almonds for a snack, cheese salad with an avacado for lunch and something like sea bass fried in butter with a pile of green veg. So far haven't been hungry apart from the two days when our meal break at work was delayed until 3.00pm having had breakfast at 5.00am!

Day off today so going to have mushrooms, tomatoes and egg today for breakfast.
Don't want to tempt fate but my allergies seem better already, have had a sneaking suspicion for a while that they were connected to wheat.

nappyaddict Mon 23-Jul-12 08:59:20

Anyone made the sausage and egg breakfast bites

Whoever was asking about black pudding John Briffa says it's OK as an occasional breakfast.

quirkychick Mon 23-Jul-12 11:50:28

Oh nappyaddict those sausage and egg bites look delicious! <drool>

There are some really lovely recipes on that blog. I don't know that I'm quite ready to grind my own meat hmm . But good quality mince would be an easy option.

I had crispy bacon with galia melon slices. Yum, yum. Might try a version of a salad I had in Palma: thin pancetta, smoked salmon and garlic frizzled in olive oil with a little balsamic over lamb's lettuce. I could swap for thin bacon and add avocado too...

earthpixie Mon 23-Jul-12 11:58:01

Thanks Quirky and QueenS for your info/tips.

i don't feel at all hungry today - weird!

Want to weigh myself but loathe it - have to psyche myself up!

QueenStromba Mon 23-Jul-12 12:52:20

You're probably in ketosis earthpixie - one of the most obvious symptoms is not feeling very hungry because your body has just noticed that you aren't actually starving and that you're carrying around plenty of food. Chronically high levels of insulin caused by eating a "normal diet" actually creates a state in your body where even though you are eating enough food and have plenty of fat stores, the cells in your body are starving because as soon as you eat something lots of it gets immediately turned into fat and locked into your fat cells which means you have to eat again soon after because insulin not only causes fat to be made, but stops it being released from the fat cells. If you control your insulin by eating a low carb diet then the fat can be released from the cells and once it's in your bloodstream it doesn't matter if it came from your thighs or from the bacon you ate earlier - it's still food for your cells.

Creamtea1 Mon 23-Jul-12 18:02:12

Hello people I am officially at a major plateau or the end of weight loss and start of maintenance - how do I know if I've reached my 'point' to stop? I've not lost any weight for 3 weeks, and observed that the only days when I have lost anything is when I've eaten virtually nothing the day before. I want to lose 5 more lbs but I don't want to have to eat nothing. Am also finding it hard to deal with having to eat like this just to stay this weight - I see friends slimmer than me who have all the bad stuff and don't put on a pound.

QueenStromba Mon 23-Jul-12 18:32:03

I believe a stall under Atkins doesn't count as a plateau until it's been at least four weeks. Did you try my lo-salt suggestion? Could you be suffering from carb creep? Are you drinking alcohol? You may just have reached the point where your body doesn't want to give up any more of its fat. Have you been doing a ketosis diet? If so, are you still getting the appetite suppressing effect?

Sprogged Mon 23-Jul-12 22:53:28

Hello folks, how's the low carbing going? I've had an awful start, really bad cravings which ended with sweet and sour chicken balls with egg fried rice and creme eggs. I had such a sore head and felt really lethargic after a completely low carb morning/afternoon but think that was more due to early starts and not enough sleep/relaxation. Off to get lo-salt tomorrow, see if that helps.

I'll second watersign76s flowers QueenStromba, that's an amazing talk you linked to. Who would have known sugar was so toxic? Scary to think of all the stuff that's just pumped full of the stuff - yoghurts, sauces, fruit juice. I had black coffee all weekend so coffee with double cream today was just bliss smile Nice to read your troubles are better now, thanks for all the great advice and please, keep it coming thanks

QueenStromba Mon 23-Jul-12 23:54:45

Eek. I'm all embarrassed now - I was studiously ignoring the first lot of flowers! I'm glad you've managed to cut the sugar out of your coffee - it's far nicer with cream than with milk and sugar isn't it? It is a fantastic video isn't it? It's one of the things that cemented me in thinking that I'm going to eat like this forever. You should also have a read of Wheat Belly - you'll feel about the same way about wheat as you do about sugar now. It's pretty terrifying that it's almost impossible to buy any pre made food without wheat and sugar.

nappyaddict Tue 24-Jul-12 00:11:34

These packed lunch ideas are meant to be for kids but they could be useful for people who have to take lunch to work or are planning on taking a packed lunch on days out this summer.

Creamtea1 Tue 24-Jul-12 10:57:48

Hi queen - yes have been using the lo salt. Strange phenomenon the last 2 days - have been going to the loo (weeing) every 20 mins - quite the opposite of the pattern over the last couple of weeks. So that's great. I don't ever really know if in in ketosis as I always feel hungry psychologically, I am rubbish like that.
Last night had prawns, calamari, cos lettuce, lemon mayo and some cheese. I also need to try and eat dinner earlier - not 9pm like normal - as morning weigh ins then always include dinner.
Have discovered the global fat scale (on bbc website, google it) which tells you what % of women in your country are the same bmi.

I've started low carb today (i think) I have to do something as having lost a few stone calorie counting its creeping back on- but I can't face counting again as it took over my life tbh.
Hoping low carb will be less headwork and healthier. Really reluctant to increase fat but that's a mental barrier I need to overcome.
Is anyone else using mfp to log carb/protein/fat and is there a better tool that doesn't have the calories in red at the top?

Great to feel less alone in this.

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 11:41:07

The weeing every 20 mins means I was probably right about water retention due to low potassium - I'll be very surprised if that doesn't translate into a scale loss. I know what you mean about the psychological hunger - I've probably been in ketosis for the last six months and I've only just got to the point where I can take or leave food a lot of the time. Food can be enjoyable even if you aren't hungry but I've come to the realisation that it's a lot nicer if I leave it until I am hungry - I don't have to eat it just because it's there.

Creamtea1 Tue 24-Jul-12 14:31:10

Thanks queen, will report back with hopefully slightly lower weight later on grin

DiamondDoris Tue 24-Jul-12 16:43:56

I'll join as I'm low carbing again. First time with great success. Just need to lose a few lbs. Had celery, cheese triangles and egg for breakfast and sardines and mangetout for lunch. Tonight green bean salad and salmon. Trying to induce ketosis today smile Will eat the occasional carb like beans and basmati rice - not really intending to do extreme low carb unless I can't shift the weight.

Olympicnmix Tue 24-Jul-12 17:48:55

2 days in, 4lb down smile

Is there a lo-carb recipe site you would recommend or even a lo-carb recipe book?

I have autoimmune conditions and know I feel better when I cut wheat from my diet. But do you ruthlessly eliminate all carbs? What about oats and rice?

And if stir frying or roasting veg what oil, if any, are you using?

DiamondDoris Tue 24-Jul-12 18:07:09

They do say animal fats are best but for frying rapeseed oil, olive oil for roasting veg and lard :/ for roasting chicken. I'll try a link for low carb recipes (never done it before):

DiamondDoris Tue 24-Jul-12 18:09:15

Sorry - didn't come out... duh!

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 18:15:48

Well done smile

I like this site for low carb recipes.

All of my carbs come from dairy, nuts, seeds, veg and berries but if you want to incorporate some starch into your diet then rice and oats are good choices. According to the Harcombe diet you can have starchy food like porridge as long as you don't have it in the same meal as fat - so porridge with skimmed milk is ok but you can't have it with cream. Normal oats are contaminated with wheat so you'll have to get them from the free from section.

The fats I use are:
coconut oil - in Asian food, it's wonderful in a curry and is good for stir fries
butter - on veg and for low heat cooking
ghee - for pretty much any cooking, roast veg, frying etc
animal fats - duck and goose fat make nice celeriac chips, lard is really cheap and doesn't deserve its unhealthy reputation
olive oil - great as salad dressing but don't cook with it because it destroys the phenols which defeats the purpose of eating olive oil
fish oil - as a supplement

The only other plant oil that's healthy is cold pressed flaxseed/linseed oil due to its high omega 3 content - most seed/nut oils have lots of omega 6 which isn't good for you. Also, they use a lot of harsh industrial processes to extract the oil.

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 18:17:05

You need to check the box below the text box that says "convert links automatically".

Here's the link for you:

colette Tue 24-Jul-12 19:33:59

Olympicnmix grin

I'm not sure I've done this right (day 1 and I'm already stressing about this) if I count carbs I've had 54 but minus the dietary fiber of 15 and I'm below 40 which for me is brilliant. Or should I not be taking the fibre from the total confused?

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 20:59:02

It depends on the source of the carb count. If you've added something generic like raspberries then the nutritional info will probably be American and so the fiber will be included in the total carb count and you need to subtract it to get net carbs. If you added something specifically British like "Tesco raspberries" then the carb figure will be net carbs and you don't need to take the fiber off. I don't log on MFP anymore but I do sometimes use it to work out the carb count of a recipe and when I do that I'll search for the name of the thing I'm looking for plus the name of a British supermarket (sometimes I have to try a few) to get something with a British carb count.

quirkychick Tue 24-Jul-12 21:03:31

Hi pregnantpause I was already using mfp. I think if you go onto goals you can customise your carbs/fat/protein levels. I don't take fibre away from carbs, but currently my carbs are now quite low. Today they are 12%. Mfp has told me I haven't eaten enough today but I think I am in ketosis and it deducts any exercise. I am ignoring as it is above my bmr too.

Thanks nappyaddict we are going on a picnic today.

Dp is starting to get it as I apparently look much better smile and the low carb berry pudding was a big hit, so it can be delicious! He has actually got a copy of Waist Disposal, so now he needs to read it. He is a big carbaholic, though with such a sweet tooth. Mil is diabetic so it's important.

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 21:08:06

I came over all foodie today. I made a cucumber and avocado gazpacho to have for lunch tomorrow and made four different Indian dishes for dinner. One was slow cooker dahl for my DP so I didn't have to worry about it, but I decided to cook mushroom bhaji, saag paneer and creamy masala chicken all at the same time. Surprisingly it all turned out well. The saag paneer wasn't great but I think that's because I used 750g of frozen spinach and that is not the same as 750g of fresh - I'm going to resurrect it in a couple of days by whacking in a load more of the spices.

Olympicnmix Tue 24-Jul-12 21:10:08

More thanks to QueenStromba & DiamondDoris, hope the pollen isn't getting to you!

Colette, are you grin at the bow-shaped tan mark on the back of my neck or something else?

Sprogged Tue 24-Jul-12 22:14:51

Evening all, thanks QueenStromba, coffee is just gorgeous with cream and yes, amazing video. I liked all the science stuff but I must be honest, I did think yay, wine's better than cola (just). I'll enjoy showing off to the cola drinkers at the next do, slurring 'well acshually, my tocshins better than your tocshin' grin. I'll add Wheat Belly to my library reserve list. I'm reading Not On The Label at the moment, even dh doesn't realise how the supermarkets work, and he's pretty clued up, but sorry, off topic.

Funny you should say about wheat, dh dislikes liver but he'll eat it in lots of gravy to disguise the taste. He was talking about having it this week so I asked him what's actually in gravy, and it's the 2 main culprits - sugar and flour. I should have guessed they use wheat as a thickener but so disappointed all the same.

Looking forward to bacon and eggs for breakfast, well done for all the cooking. I can barely make one meal at a time smile

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 22:52:46

Will your DH eat pate? Chicken liver pate is really cheap and easy to make. I get frozen chicken livers from Sainsbury's - 50p for 400g. Then I just fry them up with some garlic or shallots and a load of butter, put it in the food processor and then put about a spoonful of brandy in the pan and then tip the residue in the food processor too. Needs an hour or two in the fridge and goes really well with slices of cucumber.

Before I started this way of eating I only ate meat once a week or so and was quite squeamish about meat - couldn't eat meat on the bone because it reminded me that I was eating a bit of an animal. I liked pate but rarely ate it because I found it hard to get the idea of what it was out my mind so making and eating my own pate is a big change for me. Rather than just buying chicken breasts I can now buy a whole chicken and make it last for 3-4 meals plus stock. I took some chicken stock out of the fridge today and was rather happy that it was practically solid because that meant I'd got all the goodness out of the bones - the idea of that would have made me feel ill a year ago.

Stock is really easy to make in the slow cooker. For chicken stock I'd put the carcass, a couple of bay leaves, some black peppercorns and a liter of water in, put it on high for an hour and then leave it on low for 7-12 hours. It's great because you can leave it on overnight and forget about it.

Creamtea1 Tue 24-Jul-12 22:55:21

0.9 kilo (2lb ish) off smile
Note to all to keep an eye on your salt and potassium levels!

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 23:43:23

Congrats! So really you have been losing 0.3 kilos a week for the last 3 weeks and that was being masked by water retention due to low potassium - I think I may have revealed the whoosh fairy's secret identity.

Seriously though, keeping an eye out for the symptoms of low electrolytes (particularly potassium) is very important on this way of eating. High carb eating makes the kidneys retain salt which artificially lowers our body's salt requirements - when you stop eating carbs you need to up your salt levels by putting lo-salt on your food. If you drink 4-5 liters of water a day like me then you might well need an electrolyte supplement too.

Symptoms of low electrolytes to look out for - There are quite a few but these are the ones I notice the most
- fatigue - if you feel fatigued on this way of eating then you probably are low on electrolytes
- sore/tired/aching muscles - if your legs hurt walking up stairs then you are probably low on potassium/electrolytes in general
- salt cravings - when you stop eating crap your body gets better at telling you what it wants, if you start craving salty food then you are low on electrolytes. Don't forget that sodium isn't the only salty tasting thing but is the main one you'll find in processed food - you could well be short on potassium too which is why lo-salt is important
- Feeling spacey - just general lack of being able to concentrate and feeling a little bit high
- headaches - low sodium can make it difficult for your body to retain enough water so you can actually get dehydrated despite drinking plenty of water which manifests as headaches
- feeling thirstier the more you drink - means that you're flushing out your sodium which means you can't hang on to the water

QueenStromba Tue 24-Jul-12 23:48:36

Oh - another one I've just remembered is that things that you know to be very salty don't taste overly salty and actually taste very nice. I reckon the electrolyte drink I just had was about as salty as the sea but tasted nice rather than really salty.

obrigada Wed 25-Jul-12 10:41:53

Had planned to do 2 week bootcamp but only got weighed last night - 12st 9½lb - so too late to do it now, think I would rather edge myself into this WOE gradually (if that makes sense?)

squoosh Wed 25-Jul-12 11:18:50

Can I ask a simpleton question about carbs please?

On the table of nutritional information on food packets, do you consider the total Carbohydrates amount or the 'of which sugars' amount?

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 11:24:35

Total carbohydrate. Starch is just a load of glucose molecules stuck together and depending on the type of starch it can actually raise your blood sugar more than the equivalent weight of table sugar.

pyjamalover Wed 25-Jul-12 11:29:36

Hi all, I've been following this thread and have been eating lower carb for 10 days, but only just dropped the porridge and bananas. I've lost 1kg and am eating nice food although my brain misses the junk!

Question, does anyone know if beans like borlotti, canneloni, kidney etc are ok? They're carby but unprocessed and have protein too.

From what other people have said I think I'm in ketosis now as not that hungry (but still getting hungry for meals).

Can't actually believe i'm sticking to this despite choc and biccies in the cupboard, have never successfully dieted before. I do realise it's early days.

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 11:55:21

Hi pyjamalover, the great thing about this way of eating is that it actually gets easier to stick to the longer you do it - I have no interest in bread, chips etc anymore and desserts are normally far too sweet for me.

Beans unfortunately are actually really bad for you, not so much because of the carbohydrate content but because of the lectins and phytates. Plant lectins can cause inflammation and even autoimmune disorders because antibodies we make against them can react to our own lectins. Phytates are antinutrients which bind to essential minerals and prevent their absorption. They're present in nuts too but the general consensus is that nuts have enough nutrients in them to balance out the phytates.

NCIS Wed 25-Jul-12 12:21:36

Should I still eat at meal times if I don't feel hungry?

Only been doing this for a week but already feel so much better and still no wheezing!!

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 13:13:45

Eat when you're hungry. If that means eating one meal some days and five meals on others that's fine. If you're having a particularly hungry day it's a good plan to try and eat as low carb as possible because the carbs can add up quickly if you're eating a lot of food. Also, if you find yourself craving a particular non carby food then you should eat it because it could be your body wanting a particular nutrient. I quite often crave avocados which I think is my body wanting more potassium.

Sprogged Wed 25-Jul-12 13:28:50

That's so cheap shock Will have a bash and let you know how we get on.

NCIS Wed 25-Jul-12 14:27:55

Thanks Queen. At the moment I feel great on it, don't know if I've lost anything but am not exhausted and that's even after the first one of nightshifts so 24 hours without sleep and only about five hours this morning.
Had raspberries and full fat natural yoghurt in the middle of the night and smoked haddock with poached eggs this morning.
So nice not to feel sluggish and drained.

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 16:30:44

Can I join?
Just ordered John briffas book.
I need to lose over 2 stone sad
I am planning to do a Pilates DVD and go swimming over the hols too.
I am on day 4 of low carb - or what I think is low carb!
Not doing too badly...feel I'll today though...headache and fluey feeling and ache from the Pilates earlier.
In 4 days I have only cheated twice...had half a glass of cola (at a party) and some of my homemade gluten free flapjack today as I felt a bit faint and horrid.
Was going to have gluten free pasta for tea but am sensing from th thread that that would be very bad?
It may be my imagination but I think my shorts are looser!
I am now 12 stone and would like to be 9 stone so 3 stone to go sad
One thing I have been doing is eating fruit which is also not good? I just had some blueberries and strawberries....better get reading the book!
How long will it take for that sort of weightloss do you think?

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 16:32:55

That's the thing with low carb - you feel so much better on it that the weight loss almost becomes secondary. I'm sure if Creamtea had been doing weight watchers and hadn't lost for three weeks she'd have packed it in.

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 16:40:05

Can I ask a question re: lacto free milk and gluten free pasta?
Can I have these on a low carb diet?
What about potatoes?
Amazingly I haven't missed bread that much (which is weird as its the staple of my diet) or rice. I could quite happily never eat ripple again tbh...

Im on day two and really struggling. I hadn't anticipated how bad my cravings would be. I'm obviously in a carb crash but I feel like um starving! Should I snackor not? I've already used my carbs so I suppose I could have ham cheese and egg as pick me up. Roll on the time when I don't want carbs anymore sad

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 16:42:19

Erm, rice I mean...

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 16:43:32

Pp I am shocked that I haven't given in and had bread. I used to eat some form of bread product at every meal.
Having breakfast each day is hard for me...I just don't always want to eat early in the am

colette Wed 25-Jul-12 16:44:49

Can I ask a simpleton question too - is wine off limits . Even if it is just a few glassses a few days a week ?hmm

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 16:47:48

Not to worried about booze either! smile
Just checked the website and the pasta I use us 76g of carbs for every 100 g of pasta...that's high isn't it? sad

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 16:49:10

Hi Badvoc. People generally think the achey, fluey feeling is just a symptom of switching over to fat as the primary source of energy but it's actually due to the fact that on a high carb diet your kidneys retain salt and when you switch to low carb they start flushing it out instead like they are supposed to. So when you are on a low carb diet you need to make a conscious effort to keep your electrolytes up. The easiest way to do this is to put a load of lo-salt on your food. It's also worth buying meat on the bone e.g. whole chickens and making stock with the bones - this is how aboriginal cultures keep their electrolytes up.

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 16:52:21

Ooh, interesting.
Feel totally spaced out today!

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 17:02:41

Pregnantpause - if you're hungry then eat. Feel free to stuff your face with as much cheese and ham as you like - your body will soon figure out that carbs aren't the only source of energy. Mushrooms are ridiculously low carb and really filling when fried in butter - 250g of mushrooms is 1g of carbs. A good way to get past the carb cravings is to make sure you have lots of wonderfully indulgent low carb food about. Smoked salmon filled with full fat philadelphia is one of my favourites. If you like steak buy yourself a nice one for dinner. Put cream and butter on everything.

Really though, if you're on day two and struggling with the level of carbs you've set yourself then maybe you've set your levels too low to begin with. It would be better to have a few more carbs than you planned now (like a bowl of berries and cream) than to fall massively off the wagon and gorge yourself on toast later.

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 17:04:44

That spacey feeling is normally my first sign that I need to up my salt. Go stick a stock cube in a mug of hot water and drink it - you should feel better within 30 mins. Then as soon as you can go out and get some lo-salt.

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 17:21:18

This thread has suddenly started moving a lot faster than I'm used to!

Gluten free pasta - extremely high carb but at least it's gluten free which makes it a lot better. If you're going to eat it then I suggest you follow the Harcombe diet rules where you eat it in a very low fat meal and keep the portion small. So you could have it with a tomato and vegetable sauce but you can't have any cheese with it. You'd also want some lean protein with it so maybe a chicken breast or some white fish.

Lactofree milk - half the carbs of normal milk but they've replaced the lactose (GI = 46) with glucose (GI = 100) so you only need half as much to get the same blood sugar response. You're better off watering down double cream.

Potatoes - pretty carby so I give the same advice as the gluten free pasta. Also, new potatoes will be better than normal potatoes because they are lower GI.

If you don't feel like eating at breakfast time then don't but have a low carb snack ready in case you do get hungry later on and there is nothing suitable to eat. Small packets of brazil nuts and biltong (watch out for added sugar etc) are great for having in your handbag. Cooked meats, cheese and hard boiled eggs are great to have to hand if you're at home.

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 17:37:41

Wine is reasonably low in carbs so the odd one won't kill your diet on that front - vodka and soda has no carbs though so it's worth thinking about drinking that instead. You need to watch out for alcohol though. It won't kick you out of ketosis like eating a cake would but it does get burned in preference to anything else so while you have alcohol in your system you aren't burning fat as fuel. I had 6 weeks of an insatiable appetite due to medication I was taking which meant I was eating 3,000 calories a day - I didn't gain or lose any weight in that time. Then my grandmother went into the final stages of terminal cancer which lead to all sorts of stress and family fall outs which still aren't resolved which has lead to me drinking a bit too much to try and cope. I'm still eating very low carb and am probably consuming less calories than I was when I was on the medication but I have put on weight.

So, a glass or two of wine 2-3 times a week will probably be ok but drinking a few glasses every day will probably not be. Everyone is different though so it's just trial and error to see what works for you. If you are drinking wine and not losing weight then that is the first thing you try cutting to get you losing again.

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 17:48:21

Bugger - thought I'd answered everyone there but I've just noticed I've missed a question. If I've missed anyone else's questions then please do ask me again.

Badvoc - you'll probably lose the first half a stone really quickly due to glycogen depletion and lack of water retention. After that you'll only lose 0.5-1 pounds a week. This is lower than some diets but the fantastic thing is that it will basically all be fat. On a normal calorie controlled diet about half of the weight you lose will be muscle mass. On a low carb diet you aren't losing the muscle mass so you are limited to losing the 1 pound a week of fat that it is possible to lose. It's possible that you will get the body you want sooner on low carb while being heavier than you were expecting to be at that body size.

Thank you qs- I have some lovely Parma ham and smoked salmon there that I will hit as soon as dc go to bed. I'm aiming for Under 50, but may increase that if I'm still feeling this way tomorrow.

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 18:12:01

Hmmm...I see.
Have just had salad and smallish jacket potato.
Then I ruined it by having some strawberries with vanilla ice cream! smile
Oh well.
MIght have to rethink the milk thing skimmed milk any better re carbs?
Glad I can have GF pasta albeit not that often, ditto jacket potatoes...I love new potatoes too.
Bro and sil and dn are coming for tea tomorrow so I need ideas...doing a salad and was going to roast a chicken too and perhaps do some potato wedges in the oven too....they will be happy with fruit and ice cream for desert.

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 18:12:27

Am also very glad you can have whipped cream...I love the stuff!

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 18:15:56

Ok have ordered some lo salt.
And some meatballs...yum yum.
I don't really like fish but will try.

colette Wed 25-Jul-12 18:17:24

Thanks QS - sorry to hear about your gmother. Will cut wine down , know I should cut it out- really crave carbs when I have had a drink.

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 18:37:06

Badvoc - according to Harcombe you should probably have the strawberries with cream rather than ice cream (I've not actually read the book so I'm not sure).

Instead of the salad and jacket potato you should have the salad with some protein and fat. My favourite is bacon, stilton, avocado, spinach and olive oil.

Skimmed milk is worse than full fat because you'll normally end up putting more in your tea/coffee than you would with full fat to give it the same consistency and so end up consuming far more milk sugar. Double cream is far better - I end up only putting about 7ml of the stuff in a cup of tea rather than 30ml of milk.

For tomorrow just have roast chicken and salad or green veg with berries and cream for dessert. Just give the potatoes and ice cream to your DB and DSIL.

CrunchyFrog Wed 25-Jul-12 18:39:54

Hi, joining if that's ok?

I've lost lots of weight (6 stone since Jan 2011) but am still a 31" waist (38-31-35) so I am working on the waist/ hip ratio reduction. I think low carb is the best way to do it. I found MFP caused weight gain because I was saving up calories to eat shit <rolls eyes at self> and was obsessing about food again, which I had successfully stopped doing. I'd like a stone off, to get to about 9.5 stone, but more importantly, the good waist/hip thing.

I'm on day 3 but fucked up yesterday with a peshwarj naan and poppadoms. Today I had a 3 egg omelette with ham, mushrooms, cheese and olives for breakfast. Then a latte at 3pm, and have just had grilled salmon with broccoli, cauliflower and the courgette thing talked about up thread, which I was surprised to enjoy! I have brazil nuts to snack on. Yesterday was the omelette in the morning, but then the curry night. Monday, same breakfast then massive chicken salad (loads of greenery, olives and capers, mushrooms etc - delish) and raspberries and cream!

How am I doing?

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 19:47:18

Will be reading the john briffa book with interest tonight!
Thanks for all the info queen

Pompano Wed 25-Jul-12 20:44:59

Can I join?

Trying to keep it brief.
I believe that certain carbs are 'addictive' - maybe not to everyone but certainly for me. I'm gaining weight quite quickly this last 6 months, and my cravings for sugar and cakes, biscuits, bread etc are getting out of control. I think the only way I can get my food intake under control is to reduce my carbs.
I'm not going hardcore at first. I've done that before and felt like I was going mad and even got a bit depressed. I'm going to get rid of wheat and sugar asap. I'll work on reducing rice and potatoes but only when I've dealt with the wheat/sugar. I cut wheat out for about two weeks just before Christmas and I looked better, felt better, and noticed certain physical symptoms cleared up. (IBS and heartburn disappeared). Then Christmas came around and the mince pies got me.
I'm scared of how strong these cravings are and how much I'm overeating, nearly every day.
I've got Briffa on Kindle, I've also got Gary Taubes. Going to watch Dr Lustig's videos about sugar tomorrow.

Anyway this is me now - 6st overweight. I'm obese. I've got high BP. I'm extremely unfit. I look and feel awful. I feel depressed every time I look in the mirror. I've got to do something about this.

Does anyone have any advice for dealing with the cravings in the early days?They seem to completely control me blush

Pompano Wed 25-Jul-12 20:46:18

CrunchyFrog Congratulations on your weight loss! Your food sounds good to me.

Badvoc Wed 25-Jul-12 20:47:28

A,awaiting delivery of my new weighing scale..lsoightly dreading it too as I will know exactly how bad it is sad
I haven't craved bread which has amazed me tbh, but have been looking longingly at biscuits etc and actually had a dream about sausage rolls last night smile

Pompano Wed 25-Jul-12 20:52:24

Further to my question about cravings, it's ok, I've just read back two pages and seen some great tips about how to deal with them in the early days. I'd already read the first two pages of the thread and jumped in and posted before I'd finished it all...catching up now.

Pompano Wed 25-Jul-12 21:28:14

Badvoc if I can ever come here and post about not craving bread I'll do a dance! Funny you dreaming about sausage rolls grin

FunnyLittleFrog Wed 25-Jul-12 22:05:10

Another frog here!

Inspired by other threads I have been doing my own (slightly soft) version of low-carbing for a couple of months.

I have lost half a stone since I started (from 10 stone to 9 and a half). I don't have much more weight to lose - ideally another half stone. But for me it's not just a weight thing anyway - one of the main motivations is that I just want to feel well! Bread and wheat make me ill - bloated, tired and hazy. It took me a long time to work out what was causing the problem. My 'wheat belly' (must read the book!) has really shrunk and have a ton more energy. Skin is better too - suffer with psoriasis and spots, both have cleared up.

Has to be said that I am not overly strict and do allow myself the odd lapse (usually wine or beer!) but I reckon if I stick to this way of eating 95% of the time I'll keep seeing results.

I used to love pizza and chips, lasagne and garlic bread, chip butties... bit of a carb addict. I now love eating meat, fish, nuts and vegetables. I honestly don't miss pasta and bread and even cake and biscuits have lost their appeal.

Last night I made 'pasta' ribbons by using the peeler to make ribbons of carrot, peppers and courgette. I fried these in butter and garlic and added squid rings and prawns and black pepper. Will keep experimenting. Got to try the cauli rice next.

Thanks to everyone here for sharing ideas and links to books and blogs - really inspirational. I'll keep looking in!

QueenStromba Wed 25-Jul-12 22:11:46

So one of the other problems with alcohol is that sometimes it can make you eat something carby even if you didn't particularly want to. I met my DP for a couple of drinks after work, the plan was for me to have steak and veg for dinner and him to have fish fingers and chips. When we got home I didn't think I was hungry and so couldn't be bothered to make food for me but when my DP's food was ready I ended up piggling some. I'm going to feel particularly awful in an hour or two due to the wheat in the fish fingers but I'm not going to beat myself up about it because there lies the path to ruin. The moral of the story is don't go to the pub unless you have a whack it in the microwave/oven meal planned.

Pompano- I am appalled at my cravings, I didn't even know how badly I'm addicted until today - passing my dc a cookie earlier and I licked it- that's right, licked it, I just couldn't control the urge. It's a reflection of how much carbs and sugar have played a part in my weight gain.
I'm proud that I didn't snaffle the cookie altogether though blush

Pompano Wed 25-Jul-12 22:42:00

ouch PP ! But yes well done that you didn't actually eat it.

How long do the cravings last? I think I should just make myself into a hermit for a few weeks because I was horrible shouty and snappy last time blush

colette Wed 25-Jul-12 22:47:30

pp grin at licking the cookie but also sad because I know exactly what you mean.

Pompano Thu 26-Jul-12 08:35:36

Just reporting in - Preparation Day.
Got weighed and shock 15st 3lbs. I'm not a tall person. That's heavy.
I've checked the kitchen contents and there's nothing sugary - I'm lucky in that way I now live alone so only have to stock up for me.
There's some pasta in the fridge that I will eat today and some crabcakes that also contain wheat. If anyone has a great salmon or crab fishcake recipe that is wheat free, please share it.
And then tomorrow I'll be starting properly. My intention today is to not gorge myself on anything and not eat any sugar.

Have a good day everyone.

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 09:25:34

I managed to read a few chapters of briffas book last night...what he says really makes sense to me re: wheat and dairy.
Not sure I can go without potatoes or GF pasta forever but will try to limit them and eat more meat and eggs...luckily I love eggs smile
Not sure what to do re: milk either...I only have a small amount in 2 cups of coffee per day but is that too much?
Can't drink black coffee...tried. Just can't.
My scales haven't arrived yet so not sure what I weight but last time (6 months ago) I was 11st 12oz so I am guessing I am now at least 12 st sad
Also....fruit...hmmm...I do enjoy an apple! I also love berries so that's good and nectarines...I guess I should limit those too?
Pom...could you use GF flour? I use it for cakes/pancakes etc and it's fine...not sure re: carbs though...will check...

Sprogged Thu 26-Jul-12 09:36:40

FunnyLittleFrog your pasta ribbons sound lovely. I'm gonna have to get a note book and start writing stuff down, there's some great recipes on here.

Would have got a chicken for the fab QS's recipe for pate and stock but lovely MIL keeps buying us stuff reduced in the Morrisons along from her. She got us a ton of double cream, eggs and a massive celeriac, so boiling the eggs and celeriac and some potato for dh, slicing them up and covering them with big slices of chorizo, pouring double cream all over it and sticking it in the oven for 1/2 an hour/45 minutes. Saying that, just had salmon and butter scrambled eggs with a creamy coffee so think it'll be a late lunch again today.

Before when I was hungry for lunch I would get panicky and irritated and have to have something right now. On this though not had lunch til 2 or 3 this week and not been bothered at all.

I'll be having a stock cube later though.

Sprogged Thu 26-Jul-12 09:42:36

Pompano for fish cakes what about mashing salmon up with boiled celeriac and some peas/veg if you fancy, an egg or two to bind it and frying it in butter?

QueenStromba Thu 26-Jul-12 10:02:11

These thai fishcakes are rather nice.

obrigada Thu 26-Jul-12 10:52:06

Morning, started low carbing today, 2 boiled eggs, grated cheese and a dollop of mayo for brekkie. Really need to shift some weight, feel very sluggish these days.

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 11:16:42

He'd 2 coffees so far and an apple.
Family coming for lunch so am doing...
Roast chicken
Crunchy bacon
Berries and cream/ice cream
I think they will like it and more importantly dh and I can eat it without having too many carbs...
Will have any leftover chicken for tea/ or meatballs and tomato sauce!
Does that sound ok queen?
I think I like briffas ideas as you can have butter/mayo/oil on things and on harcombe you can't.
I think I will limit myself to 1 portion of GF pasta per week and 1 lot of new potatoes with skins on per week. Also try to eat berries rather than other fruit.
I have always thought that low cal eating is not healthy...all the Marg and aspartame in things...really not good for you.
I also like what he says re: excercise...nice to know I don't have to go mad and that even if I did it wouldn't help!! (thinks back to all these hours wasted in high impact aerobics classes!)

FunnyLittleFrog Thu 26-Jul-12 13:14:32

It's an eye-opener, this way of eating, it really is. People on diets at work having WW crackers and WW biscuits and being all irritable and I'm tucking into salmon, chicken, avocado, cheese, olives, great salads with oily dressings... and actually losing weight and feeling well. I can even have cream ffs!

It's hard to get into because we were brought up to see butter, meat, eggs and cheese as 'bad' for us (the cause of my DG's heart problems apparently hmm) while carbs were 'healthy'.

I am coming to the conclusion that we have all been shafted royally by the big food corporations. They made us fat and now offer 'solutions' to the problem that are only making us fatter. Do WW want us to actually lose weight? No, because then their business would fail. 'Diet' drinks not only make us more hungry (and can make us ill) but they give us license to have more treats because we had a healthy drink.

They made their money by getting people addicted to fags in the 20th century. Now it's food. I have heard it argued that fags are actually less damaging than obesity to the population as a whole.

Low carb is a political statement as well as a healthy way to eat. It's saying NO to the manipulative food corps who are trying to make us look and feel crap so we end up buying more 'diet' crap.

Over and out with the rant! Off to have a boiled egg. grin

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 13:19:06

Agree completely!

My mil has used SW and WW and has spent a fortune on both...I have to be very careful at her house as most of her stuff is WW..sausages etc and they are VILE

squoosh Thu 26-Jul-12 13:19:23

I'm going to go through this thread and make a note of all the low carb snack ideas. I'm fine at mealtimes but I do need my snacks in between. That's the chink in my armour.

squoosh Thu 26-Jul-12 13:21:25

The sight of WW frozen meals make my stomach do a mini hurl. How can people look at those horrific looking purple boxes and think 'Mmmm, yummy, that's what I'm having for dinner'.

FunnyLittleFrog Thu 26-Jul-12 13:24:42

I know. I feel like grabbing them out of people's trolleys and replacing with a steak and some butter!

FunnyLittleFrog Thu 26-Jul-12 13:28:46


Really like this blog.

obrigada Thu 26-Jul-12 14:36:51

Gammon with salad for lunch, really want to get to grips with this WOEsmile

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 15:12:02

So, lunch is over.
I had roast chicken and salad and a hard boiled egg and mayo..was delicious.
Hen had some strawberries and blueberries and whipped cream.
For dinner am thinking meatballs in tom sauce.
Looking forward to reading the rest of the book!

squoosh Thu 26-Jul-12 15:45:17

Has anyone tried these roasted cauliflowery things? After making an amazing pizza base with cauliflower and now this it would seem I have in the past been unfairly dismissive of the humble cauliflower.

Sorry cauliflower!

CrunchyFrog Thu 26-Jul-12 16:25:00

Ok, is this usual? Day 4. I would actually kill for a donut right now. DS1 is eating a double decker NEXT TO ME. Mean.

Have had 3-egg, cream cheese and ham omelette, olives (in chilli oil, yum!) and a few nuts and seeds. I WANT SUGAR.

I'm not hungry, though. I just want something.


Doesn't help that I got AF today, normally an excuse to say fuck it and eat everything I can find.

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 18:11:17

Ugh...dont do looks like brains! <shudder>

Thats my thing atm crunchy I am not craving bread at all which amazes me! Would gnaw my own arm off at the wrist for some sugar though sad

Am dreading AF tbh...I feel that I am sort of ok atm but I know when AF comes its usually a carb and sugar blow out....will be very interesting/terrifying to see how I cope this time...

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 18:11:57

Can I ask?...what nuts can you have and how many?

captainmummy Thu 26-Jul-12 18:19:02

squoosh - I quite often roast cauli in the oven when i do roast veg, it's lovely. You do need to use fresh, tho not frozen. Broccoli too.

Bad - i eat brazil nuts and walnuts - walnuts on the basis that i don't actually like them,so don't eat the entire packet!

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 18:29:54

ew..i dont like walnuts either....I am guessing peanuts/hazelnuts etc are banned? Can you have nuts and raisins?

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 18:38:17

can you have peanuts?????.........and how many?

QueenStromba Thu 26-Jul-12 19:02:15

Nothing is banned! If you get into that sort of mindset early on then it will make it harder to stick to long term. If you really want a rule to follow though make it "Don't eat anything carby unless it's going to be really worth it". I had a dessert in a restaurant a couple of weeks ago, the rest of the meal had been lovely so I knew that the dessert would be really nice. I ate it slowly and enjoyed every mouthful and if I didn't like it I would have left it. I've also had sushi in a really nice restaurant a couple of times but wouldn't even consider cheap sushi.

Anyway, peanuts and raisins are both pretty high carb so would fall into the category of things to not eat often in any great quantity and to only eat if you think you're going to really enjoy it. 10-20g won't kill your diet if that's the only high carb thing you have in a day though - avoid if you're likely to trough the whole packet though. Hazlenuts aren't too bad I think, you could have about 50g of them without it getting too carby. I get snack sized packets of nuts from Tesco to help me avoid eating vast quantities in a sitting.

Badvoc Thu 26-Jul-12 19:30:47

Its hard to get into that mindset isn't it? That you can have anything? Today I have eaten ( by my standards ) a lot.
I am not exactly hungry but would like something to munch on iyswim?
Not had any wheat since Sunday!! Any cheating i have done has been with GF stuff so it's not too bad...
I told my brother today and he didn't believe I had had no bread since Sunday smile
I hope I can keep it up...
Had about 12 pcs of GF penne, Tom sauce and meatballs...was yum.

jollymary Thu 26-Jul-12 22:08:21

Hello, I have been doing the John Briffa thing for three days, sick of feeling run down, insomnia, etc. Was recently diagnosed with PCOS, also would love to lose a stone. So far, really impressed by how much better I feel, with much sharper concentration at work and more energy. Just find it so hard to believe I will ever lose my flabby tum eating cheese, eggs, bacon, cream...... Can it really be true?!! And if it is, can it be sustained in the long term? Also slightly concerned about the cost, seem to have been going to shops daily for more supplies.....

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 08:17:07

Jolly...yes I have spent a lot in the last few days!
However, I then remember that the big food corps have spent many years packing carb food with cheap stabilisers and fructose and corn syrup which are all really cheap as they have no nutritional value at all.
Then I feel better smile
I am doing briffa light...I still have lacto free milk 2 a day in my decaf coffee and will have GF pasta and potatoes 1 per week too.
Have had no wheat since Saturday!! Longest I have ever gone I think!
For me no wheat is what I am hoping will make me feel better.
I will also try and have 2 pcs of fruit per day, just not baanans!!

topsi Fri 27-Jul-12 09:12:30

Yesterday I had:
greek yogurt, strawbs and 1/2 teaspoon honey for breakfast
edam cheese and cucumber cubes as a snack,
Salad with feta cheese, avocado, seeds for lunch,
Tea steak, broccoli and sweet potato
banana and weetabix last thing.
had coffee with sugar first thing but then only water and mint tea.
How does this look?
I am going for low carb not no carb as feel I need some carb last thing or a wake up hungry.
I will have to work on the sugar in coffee but it was just the one, also know the banana ans weetabix is not great but had no sugar with it.
Have done low carb before and lost weight but felt funny.
This time I don't feel funny or hungry but don't feel like I am loosing.
Any advice please??

NCIS Fri 27-Jul-12 09:13:32

Weighed myself today and have lost 3lbs!!!! Can't quite believe it. I finished nights yesterday and normally just want to eat and sleep but this time I had loads of energy.
I love not having to look at labels to see how much fat things have.

CrunchyFrog Fri 27-Jul-12 09:35:33

I had celeriac wedges last night with chicken and goats cheese salad. The celeriac killed the carb craving, so glad I didn't have that donut!

Added salt, don't normally like it but was craving.

5lb off since Monday! shock

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 09:48:42

One Robles I have is that I am allergic to cheeses and yoghurt sad
Any ideas/ tips for breakfast and snacks that's aren't egg based??
I like eggs but it's getting a bit boring now.....

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 09:48:57

Only problem....sigh...bloody iapd

quirkychick Fri 27-Jul-12 10:29:31

Badvoc can you have a smoothie with almond or coconut milk, flaxseed/ground almonds and berries? You could also add protein shake, vanilla or almond essence to taste. Make it the night before, put in the fridge for a quick drinkable breakfast.

Or bacon and mushrooms/tomato, a little melon or avocado with ham/smoked salmon. Leftovers?

Whoever it was that talked about waist measurements - that's me too. I have waist of 31" and hips 36", so although I am not overweight my waist:hip ratio is not so good. Classic up and down figure, really.

QueenStromba Fri 27-Jul-12 11:07:45

topsi I'd be surprised if your carbs are low enough to lose weight to be honest - I just did a quick tot up on MFP and the banana, weetabix and sweet potato on their own probably came to at least 80g of carbs. The Primal Blueprint is generally regarded as being quite high carb for a low carb plan and under that you're supposed to stick to less than 100g of carbs plus avoid processed food, wheat and legumes and limit your dairy.

Also, by eating something really carby last thing at night you're losing a lot of time where your insulin is low enough for you to burn fat overnight. What's so bad about waking up hungry?

How did you feel funny when you low carbed before? I reckon 95% of the time when people don't feel fantastic on low carb then they are low on electrolytes and will feel better if they start putting loads of lo-salt on their food. Have a look back through the thread - I posted a list of the common symptoms of low electrolytes a couple of days ago. If this thread survives long enough to need a second thread that list is going in the first post because I think it's that important.

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 11:20:32

Thanks for the reply.
I dont ike coconut or mushrooms sad
I feel like I am pretty limited on things I can eat and now even more limited due to low carbing...
When I say I dont like them - they make me sick so not just being fussy
(although I am fussy!)

QueenStromba Fri 27-Jul-12 11:32:18

jollymary you'll lose weight and feel better than you have in years. As for the expense, there are ways to make it a bit cheaper. Whenever I'm planning to cook something with chicken in it, I buy a whole chicken for about £4 and roast it with some veg the first day. Next day I strip off whatever nice bits are left and put it in a salad and the day after I stip off the not as nice bits and put it in a soup or a curry, then the rest goes in the slow cooker for stock. Roasts in general seem to work out cheaper than packets of smaller bits.

Also, the cheaper cuts of meat tend to be the most nutritious and best for this way of eating because everyone is so fat phobic. If you can stomach the idea then offal is really cheap and good for you - I eased myself into the idea with shop bought pate and now I make my own really cheaply with chicken livers. If I ever stop raiding the reduced section for long enough to get short on meat in the freezer then I'm going to try heart next. I also do stews in the slow cooker with casserole beef.

QueenStromba Fri 27-Jul-12 11:36:04

Badvoc cold meats make good snacks, as do nuts (as long as you won't go mad with them). As for breakfast, the easiest thing to do is just make extra at dinner time and heat it up in the morning - I don't know why we all have this idea in our heads that we need to eat special food just because it's morning.

QueenStromba Fri 27-Jul-12 11:37:30

CrunchyFrog - make sure it's lo-salt you're putting on your food since you are likely to be low on potassium as well as sodium if you're craving salt.

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 11:49:35

hmm...pate? Never tried it!
Is it ok on low carb?
What could you have it with?
I roasted a chicken yesterday and had it with salad and it was lovely.
Had meatballs last night too which were very tasty.
Just a total 360 on my usual diet so its going to take some getting used to!!!
Can I ask? do you have a veg curry recipe?
Also soups?
Is there a good low carb cookbook you recommend? I have looked on amazon but the reviews are not great and many of them seem to be from the US and include ingredients that are hard to get over here?.........

squoosh Fri 27-Jul-12 12:10:56

I think blogs are the best way to go for low carb recipe inspiration

squoosh Fri 27-Jul-12 12:11:38

I'd forgotten about pate!

I'm going to make chicken liver pate this weekend. No crackers though sadly.

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 12:13:12

thank you!

colette Fri 27-Jul-12 12:14:17

I love a really good pate but am also wondering what to eat with it ?

squoosh Fri 27-Jul-12 12:37:59

I suppose it could be smeared on slices of cucumber.

QueenStromba Fri 27-Jul-12 13:41:13

It does work really nicely with cucumber slices - replicates the crunch of crackers nicely. These are quite good too.

colette Fri 27-Jul-12 14:45:24

Thanks QS

They look lovelyshock would feel I was having an indulgent treat !
If I am buying pate rather than making is there anything I should look out for eg. some sort of carby adiditives ?

QueenStromba Fri 27-Jul-12 15:11:32

Just look for pate that is about 3g of carbs per hundred grams or less I know Waitrose have a few that fit that description. Tesco have a pate with mushrooms and a chicken and chorizo pate which are below 3g.

jollymary Fri 27-Jul-12 15:24:43

Thanks for all advice and encouragement, have not had any grains or potato or banana for four days now, feeling well! Do find berries a bit tart, though, John Briffa suggests a drizzle of honey, just hope this doesn't stop the weight loss. Only thing am weaning off is milk. Also, how many nuts is too many nuts?! Reluctant to start weighing stuff, am currently munching a small handful of mixed walnuts, almonds and hazelnuts per day. Definitely have more energy and sleep has been transformed! Starting to think I can really stick to this...

Olympicnmix Fri 27-Jul-12 15:27:49

Squoosh, thanks for those links. Just looked at a recipe that uses soy flour - has anybody used it?

colette Fri 27-Jul-12 15:43:31

Thanks QS- am definately buying pate this weekend .

JollyMary - Sainsbury's do some 'snacking' blackberries which are really sweet. I'm not usually that fond of blackberries but these ones are different, ate the whole pack .

NoGoodNamesLeft Fri 27-Jul-12 16:00:37

I'm on my third day now of primal eating and wow - I've discovered that I've been living with a constant, low-level of hunger for years, because now it's gone!

It's such a weird feeling to actually be satiated with food. All I've had today has been a small, leftover portion of tuna in homemade tomato sauce with courgette 'pasta', coffee with a bit of single cream and homemade guacamole with about half a small sweet potato's worth of crisps, which I made by slicing thinly and frying in olive oil. It took me ages to be hungry for lunch, which I've just finished, and I can't imagine that I'll be hungry before 7ish tonight. Amazing!

Viperidae Fri 27-Jul-12 16:25:01

Please ladies, let me join in and HELP ME!

According to my BMI I am morbidly obese shock but I really struggle with eating. I have failed (as most women have!) at WW and SW and like a lowish carb way of eating but find on strict low carb I feel so empty somehow. It's not properly hungry, but is uncomfortably empty, which leads to me caving in and hoovering up whatever I can find.

It's not helped by DD (beautiful and size 10) who has body image issues and has decided she needs to lose weight for a holiday so is being very focussed and disciplined. I am cooking low carb for her so the food is all here but it just doesn't feel enough for me and, if I add anything to it, she thinks I am not supporting her. She has become the Stalin of the carb world, which is making me feel judged. Her strictness and criticalness is undermining me but she feels my lack of discipline and weakness (as she sees it) is undermining her. Nightmare!!!!

I'm going to order the John Briffa book but would appreciate any thoughts and suggestions. An example of a current planned diet day is:
B: Bacon and scrambled eggs or poached egg with smoked haddock
L: Chicken or tinned sardines, salad with mayo based dressing
T: Roast chicken with stir fried veg or slow-roast belly pork (from Sainsbury's but checked carbs were low) with roast asparagus and green beans
But last night I followed it with a handful of macadamia nuts followed by the rest of the pack, a bar of chocolate and too much rose wine blush


squoosh Fri 27-Jul-12 16:52:17

grin Stalin of the carb world.

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 17:32:47

If I have understood the book correctly the haddock word be better than the bacon with the egg for breakfast.
I had roast chicken and salad with mo yesterday and it was scrummy.
Stirmfrynis a very good way of low carb cooking.
Good luck!

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 17:33:18

Can someone let me in on the courgette pasta thing??

squoosh Fri 27-Jul-12 17:34:39

Courgette peeled into ribbons acts as a spaghetti substitute.

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 17:37:00

Hmmm...yes but - bear with me - how word one do that? With a knife? Peeler? Do you cook as you would pasta?

squoosh Fri 27-Jul-12 17:39:59

With a vegetable peeler you can cut it into pretty thin slices. Haven't tried it myself ye but I'd imagine it's best just give it a quick blanche or maybe a quick dip in a frying pan with some chilli and garlic.

Badvoc Fri 27-Jul-12 17:46:02

Hmmmm sounds lovely.
Have been munching on some cashews and I think thats helped with my salt intake smile

NoGoodNamesLeft Fri 27-Jul-12 17:56:55

Yep, sorry, I assumed it was a widely known thing. You half your courgette and then use a potato peeler to get thin strips off it. There's a knack to it so you don't end up with bits left over which I haven't yet mastered... I cook mine in salted boiling water for about 2 minutes, that's it.

NoGoodNamesLeft Fri 27-Jul-12 17:57:13

Half? HALVE.

jollymary Fri 27-Jul-12 19:29:17

AArrgghhh!!! Have just realised am going camping to a youth event in two weeks' time, going in a big group that will be centrally catering, no proper onsite shop and no fridge!! What can I eat???

captainmummy Fri 27-Jul-12 19:49:49

Viper - if you are hungry you are not doing it right! Eat lots of meat, fat, salad and you should not feel hungry. I've only been doing it for about 5 weeks, and can honestly say i'm not hungry - craving something sweet (fruit) yes, but not hungry. I even missed lunch today (never happens!) and only had bag salad with cheese and mayo for dinner and i can't face anything more today!.

That's the great thing about this WOE - you eat loads of stuff you never could before (cream, fat, mayo) and you really notice how not a diet it is.

NCIS Fri 27-Jul-12 19:53:36

Have fallen off the wagon today, been to a leaving to have a baby do at work and had cake plus a sausage roll, I am now paying for it , sneezing and wheezing.
If anything will make me stick to it the effect of three pieces of cake will do.

QueenStromba Fri 27-Jul-12 20:10:24

Things you can bring with you Jollymary:

Biltong (watch for added sugar - Lidl do a zero carb one)
Tinned fish and meat
Jars of olives will keep for a while after opening out of the fridge
I've seen things like salami out of the fridge in Morrisons
Protein shakes
If you're going for a while you could take some unripe avocados with you

Will you be eating at a refectory or something? If you're lucky it will turn out to be a buffet and you can just pick and choose which bits you want.

janx Fri 27-Jul-12 20:29:52

Can I join please - have been doing low carb for a bit but still find I'm hungry
Breakfast - poached egg and ham and cheese
Lunch - salad and cheese
Dinner salmon and stir fry
Snacks berries, nuts
I have lost weight but do feel hungry. Might have some creamgrin
Any advice - don't get this ketosis malarkey

jollymary Fri 27-Jul-12 22:46:02

Thankyou QueenStromba!! All advice so gratefully received! Never had biltong before, could be fun. Many thanks x

Viperidae Sat 28-Jul-12 01:57:24

I know I'm not really hungry but just don't feel full somehow if that makes sense. Will keep trying or Stalin will have me shot soon I think! smile

I broke yesterday, went on a carb bender sad
But as I still only toatalled 134 for the day trying not to be too hard on myselfy. I've lost four pounds in almost as many days. It's hard not to let yesterdays slip stick. Back on wagon today.

Badvoc Sat 28-Jul-12 10:25:02

Hi all
Weighed myself today in my new scale and.....I reckon I have lost half a stone smile
Today I am 11st 8oz.
A, pretty sure I was 12 st or poss more prior to last sunday!

pyjamalover Sat 28-Jul-12 11:19:29

Feeling vaguely despondent, fell off the wagon on thurs but ate low carb again yesterday. Not lost any more weight.

Have to say though I've noticed my skin looks quite nice, and haven't had a headache since starting this (am normally quite a headachy person espec in the heat).

Why aren't I losing weight? I used to eat carbs for dinner followed by a family size bar of chocolate, had expected to lose loads in 1st 2 weeks given crapness of previous diet.

Anyway, just had mushroom omlette with sprinkling of grated cheese for breakfast hich was nice but wish I could have something carby too!

janx Sat 28-Jul-12 11:35:54

Can anyone answer my question please smile

Janx, if you still feel hungry add some more fat to your diet. Also follow QueenStromba's advice about electrolites/lo-salt. Low levels of potassium can cause food cravings and thirst which can be mistaken for hunger.

If that doesn't work then possibly dump the berries and nuts. They are a bit carby and might be stopping you from being in ketosis and therefore not getting the hunger suppression.

captainmummy Sat 28-Jul-12 12:31:09

What was the question janxx? Ketosis? You will probably get a dry mouth even tho you should be drinking lots, some people get bad breath. You should feel good, not hungry, - my skin also cleared up and i stopped getting the bloated feeling after stopping carbs.

Your daily food looks ok, maybe a bit high in dairy (cheese) and berries and nuts can bump up the carb count. But if you'r not low-carb/bootcamping, loooks good.

Pyjama - are you drinking lots?

quirkychick Sat 28-Jul-12 12:32:59

janx are you eating enough fat and protein? For instance, enough eggs/ham at breakfast or oily dressing and nuts/avocado with cheese salad at lunch.

I had been gradually reducing my carbs and once I stopped even a little oats at breakfast I found I needed to keep up the snacks to feel ok. It took me about 17 days to get into ketosis (fat burning), then I felt less hungry because my body is using the fat/fuel stores as well as the food I'm eating.


quirkychick Sat 28-Jul-12 12:35:21

Oh crosspost.

janx Sat 28-Jul-12 13:10:59

Thanks - will try those suggestions smile

QueenStromba Sat 28-Jul-12 16:09:35

pyjamalover if you fell of the wagon in a big way on Thursday then you'll have rebuilt some of your glycogen stores which comes with 4-5 times the weight in water added on. I reckon if you've stuck with it yesterday and today then you'll be down a bit again tomorrow. There is also the possibility that you've reached the week three stall that people often report. It's actually only physically possible to lose about 0.5-1 pounds of fat a week unless you are severely overweight. You can lose more weight on a low calorie diet because you are also losing muscle mass. On a low carb diet you lose almost pure fat so after the original big losses you aren't going lose massive amounts of weight each week. Console yourself with the fact that every single gram you lose is probably fat from now on.

QueenStromba Sat 28-Jul-12 16:13:42

134 isn't too bad for a carb bender pregnantpause. I imagine you feel starving today though? If you do then try to stick to things like meat, cheese and eggs so that your body will start remembering that it wants to burn fat rather than carbs.

janx Sat 28-Jul-12 16:14:54

I am sure my boobs are shrinking sad ... That was one area I wanted to hang on togrin

QueenStromba Sat 28-Jul-12 16:21:07

Viperidae - if you keep going then your body will turn from being able to tell that you are full due to the sheer volume of food in your stomach to recognising when you've eaten enough protein and fat. On a high carb diet the full feeling comes from your stomach being physically full but on a low carb diet the full feeling comes from hormonal signals. It will take you a while to not need the physical signal to be able to recognise when you are full.

Qs- yes I've been ravenous, and stupidly went to work without breakfast. Resulted in a chocolate bar and bag of crisps as apparently today the canteen (who always serve coldmeats and cheese) is being refurbished. So todays carb count is 77. But
I had a lovely supper of meatballs in a cream mushroom and onion sauce. Reminded me why I've chosen this woe. It's a work in progress for me but it'll become easier I'm sure the longer I stick at it.

CrunchyFrog Sat 28-Jul-12 19:39:26

Slightly bad day today.

2am I was craving like mad, got up and had an apple and some cheese.

11am had an omelette (bacon, cheese, mushroom)

Then had steak, mashed broad beans (added a tsp of tahini, which was lovely) and mushrooms fried in butter.

Then 2 squares very dark chocolate, but then NEEDED sugar, so had 100ml of Ben and Jerrys, which was 24g of carb by itself.

I think I'm still under 100g, but the rest of the week I managed on less than 30 or so, so feeling rubbish. Oh well, back on wagon tomorrow.

jollymary Sat 28-Jul-12 20:46:14

Getting slightly confused with what should and shouldn't be doing for good weight loss... am following Dr John Briffa's recommendations in his book, am on day 6, feel more energy, sleeping better and clearer skin, but still feel very podgy! Don't own scales so can only weigh in at gym, but tuummy feels the same at the mo. I think I've been quite strict,have had no grains/pasta/potatoes, but 2 half glasses wine this week, also drizzle of manuka honey daily with berries. Dr J. doesn't seem to major on achieving ketosis, do I need to be even stricter and cut out all dairy, berries, nuts, to lose weight?
Today, had:
B Strawberries, greek yogurt, drizzle honey, pate with cucumber sticks, cream cheese
L Sardines with mixed salad, olives, balsamic and olive oil dressing
T Bolognese sauce (homemade) on steamed cabbage and french beans, grated cheddar
Snacks : handful mixed nuts, 1 in am, 1 pm. Lots of water.
Some people seem to lose alot, even in first few days! Really want to sustain this WOE, but have tendency to get despondant... Anyone have a similar start but go on to lose the weight?

topsi Sat 28-Jul-12 20:59:31

am doing the same as you JOLLY. Feel slightly more comfortable and maybe mood better but not a whole lot thinner at the moment. I am fine all day and eating similar to yourself. Have a need for banana and weetabix at night to help me sleep which ruins what I have done during the day. Have not been hungry all day and now I am thinking about bed I want my usual fix. If I don't have it I know I will wake up during the night hungry and then will be grumpy tomorrow and not want to do my run.
I guess you should avoid the wine but other than that you look like you are doing what JB recommends. Its difficult coe the book doesn't give you a whole load of iseas does it?

jollymary Sat 28-Jul-12 22:13:04

I am sold on the low carbs, is just the high fat content I am really struggling with and feeling guilty about! Can I possibly really lose my tummy eating cheese, butter, cream?!

quirkychick Sun 29-Jul-12 08:52:33

jollymary you could always start with "healthier" fats such as; omega 3 in oily fish, omega eggs, extra virgin olive oil, rapeseed oil, avocados rather than cream, butter etc. You could introduce gradually. I don't eat loads of cream etc. tbh but we do have loads of salads with olive oil etc. Nuts/seeds oily too though omega 6 and a little carby. hth

Another 1lb lost for me and I have had pimm's, berries with fruit, dark chocolate and milky coffees too.

I made a vegetable frittata which dp and I really liked: eggs whisked with spring onions, celery, sweetcorn <whoops-not much food in> and cheese; baked in the oven. Was even more delicious cold for breakfast. Will be doing that again! With different veg...

We also had beef koftas with mince, mushrooms (hidden veg for dd2- bit watery will use onion/pepper next time) garlic, coriander, parsley, cumin, paprika, egg, lo salt. Wrapped round skewers and grilled.

colette Sun 29-Jul-12 11:18:34

quirkychick still loving your food grin
Have you got the recipe for the koftas please - think kids would love those .

quirkychick Sun 29-Jul-12 12:04:07

Hi colette. Koftas were a bastardised version of a good food recipe iirc.

500g waitrose aberdeen angus mince 20% fat
100g (ish) mushrooms (made it quite watery so I would put in maybe onions/peppers next time)
1 garlic clove
1tsp cumin
1/2 tsp smoked paprika
1/2 tsp cardamom (change spices to suit yourself)
pinch lo salt
1 egg
fresh coriander and parsley

Turn on grill and soak skewers in water, if using wooden ones.
Blend egg, mushroom/veg, spices and herbs to make paste.
Mix thoroughly into mince with a fork.
Divide mixture into 8, oil your hands and take 1/8 make into ball and flatten. Place around skewer. Shape around onto foil on the grill pan, the kofta will harden onto the skewer as it cooks.
Grill until ready and cooked through.
Obviously you could make into meatballs, patties etc. Or barbecue. My kids like stuff on sticks. Be equally nice with lamb.

allpassionspent Sun 29-Jul-12 17:21:00

Hi Everyone
Can I join you?

Thanks for all the fantastic help on this thread - especially QueenStromba's potassium advice. Just had Zero electrolyte drink and feel much better!

3 weeks low carbing so far and 7 lbs down -am following Dr Clark(ish).

Can anyone help re carbiness of olives, please?

janx Sun 29-Jul-12 18:12:47

I am feeling a bit light headed today and a bit headachey. Also I have mouth ulcers - do you think I need buy some supplements? Is there a link with low carbing. Am craving cake today

Janx- re headachy a lot if us have felt that way and we needed to up our potassium (qs advice of course) a cup of hot stock worked for me.
I'm feeling much less hungry today, comparitively to how I usually am I'm living on air! I guess I must be in ketosis but that's hard to believe as the last few days have been higher in carb than I've previously aimed (50-70 unread of under 50)just checked and 5lb down. Yay!

colette Sun 29-Jul-12 19:52:27

quirkychick thanks for the recipe sounds good. Will replace mushrooms as they hate them.
well done pp!

Badvoc Sun 29-Jul-12 20:04:12

Mouth ulcers usually indicate a magnesium deficiency.

Badvoc Sun 29-Jul-12 20:06:53

Jolly...remember briffa says cheese and cream in moderation!!

janx Sun 29-Jul-12 20:51:41

Will up my magnesium - have always been prone to them when stressed and/or around my period. I too can't get used to using cream - had some last night and I felt really guilty. Managed to turn down a bar of chocolate last night but did have some wine

quirkychick Sun 29-Jul-12 21:30:31

colette the mushrooms were completely disguised as I am the only one who eats them! Lots of liquid came out as they cooked, so less water content veg better. Dd2 veg phobic but loves meat, trying to sneak it into her diet grin.

I have just survived tea at mil's. She usually serves white bread sandwiches, biscuits and cakes! Takes personal affront at not eating her food - she is diabetic but ignores all advice, so mentioning food/insulin not very diplomatic. I arrived with a plate of houmous <whoops-quite carby> and crudites. I palmed off pizza on dd2, and shared a raspberry, cream and ice-cream dessert with dd2 (who had most of icecream). I was starving quite hungry when I got in, I have eaten a plate of mushroom scrambled eggs cooked in butter. Yum. Absolutely stuffed now.

I tracking my food on mfp, I am definitely eating less and I am less hungry. Lots of fat and trying to keep to 30% protein.

Movingforward123 Sun 29-Jul-12 22:32:45

hi i'm thinking of joining in, I know if I eat less carbs my belly will be less bloated. I need to loose 1 stone. I tried low carb before and it was very hard, i caved after 2 days and was so upset.

So I think easing into it is a much better idea smile

So I'm struggling with meal ideas at the moment.

I alot of people on this thread is eating greek yogurt, is that low carb? I eat rachaels yogurt is that low carb?

I know for a fact i am not getting enough protein into my diet, is anyone taking protein shakes? If so what brand? As I might give it a go!

So breakfast will be egg and bacon. Are richmond thin sausages ok to eat?

lunch, soup or salad with meat or veg omelette

dinner same as above with veg. or curry with salad or bolanagise with salad.

what is everyone having for snacks?

also what happens if i cave and have a little chocolate? will it ruin all my effort?

NCIS Mon 30-Jul-12 05:04:00

Biffa says 2 squares of dark chocolate is fine. He also says that 2 small roast potatoes once a week is fine.

quirkychick Mon 30-Jul-12 07:05:43

Movingforward123 greek yoghurt has less carbs (and more fat) than other yoghurt. Check the carb g per 100g on the pot. Same with the sausages: they usually have starch in, though.

I use for protein shakes. You can buy samples for 99p to try different flavours. But you don't have to use them.

Lots of links and ideas for low carb recipes upthread.


Badvoc Mon 30-Jul-12 07:53:41

I have been away for the weekend and....amazingly...I didn't cheat!
I had soup for dinner on sat, salad at the restaurant yesterday lunchtime, and ham and egg salad for dinner.
I coped by snacking on nuts and dark choc so I have had my choc allowance for this week!
I didn't notice that bit in briffas book!! I will have potatoes once a week in that case! I miss them sad
Am doing courgette ribbons instead of pasta tonight and meatballs.

Movingforward123 Mon 30-Jul-12 09:30:39

quirky - I had a look on that website and now feel confused confused I have no idea which shake to go for, which one do you use? As the diet ones I looked at said they have low gi carbs in, but I'm looking for no carbs, or Sibi thought confused

Movingforward- re recipes, what I've been doing as suggested up thread is taking what ever I have and googling it with low carb.
For instance I picked up pork belly slices in the whoops isle yesterday , googled low carb pork belly and voila, behind me I have half a slow cooker full of Spanish pork belly and chorizo stew . THIs method has also led me to some good low carb blogs and such, and gives me loads of different ideas. Next time I do pork belly it will be marinated. In Chinese spices twice cooked and shredded in a stir fry.
Good luck its a great learning curve.

squoosh Mon 30-Jul-12 11:45:01

Last night I made chicken liver pate and roasted a chicken.

This morning I whipped up a prawn cocktail for my lunch whilst cooking an omelette for my breakfast.

I feel like Mrs Padmore in Downton Abbey.

pyjamalover Mon 30-Jul-12 14:37:36

Hope you're all doing well.

I'm managing ok here. DS broke my scales so can't get stressed about weight loss anymore!

I just want to say thanks so much queenstromba for your really good advice to us all.

Do any of you take supplements? I don't at the moment, but am going to get some vitamin d3 as advised by dr briffa (on his website), and am considering green tea extract. Is it all bollocks or worth a few quid? Any experience?

squoosh Mon 30-Jul-12 15:01:56

Just had my king prawn and avocado lunch. Bloody lovely!

Keeping in the 1970's theme I'm going to enquire as to whether any of my colleagues would like to partake in some post lunch swinging.

QueenStromba Mon 30-Jul-12 15:25:17

I take:
A multivitamin and mineral.
Vitamin B complex for tiredness and fatigue which used to be a problem before low carbing - I still have some of a 300 tablet pack left so I figured I may as well keep taking it.
Vitamin D3 because we can't make it for half of the year because the sun is too weak and for a lot of the rest of the year because there is no sun.
Fish oil for the omega 3 to help with my omega6grinmega3 ratio.
Magnesium an hour or so before bed to help me sleep - normally not a problem on low carb but I've been pretty stressed lately.
Milk thistle for when I've been overdoing it on the vodka and soda.

I blame Dr Briffa for most of that!

topsi Mon 30-Jul-12 15:34:02

I did really well yesterday but then woke up hungry at 2.30 and had banana and weetabix.
Been good today so far,
berries and G yogurt
feta salad
think am going to do chilli for tea (?brown rice) or I may wake up hungry today.
Think I am doing something wrong as I still feel FAT!!

QueenStromba Mon 30-Jul-12 16:18:11

Hi Movingforward123. Total full fat Greek yoghurt is about the lowest carb yoghurt you can buy and it has the benefit of being really filling which makes you less likely to eat lots of it. If you have a Lidl near you then they do one that is even lower in carbs. I'd avoid any flavoured yoghurt because they're normally full of sugar so it would be better to just add a few berries to some of the plain stuff.

Most sausages have wheat in them which is a worse carb than sugar in most respects. Have a look for gluten free sausages as they are normally very low carb. Even though you're cutting down slowly you may as well try and avoid carbs in things you won't even realise are normally quite carby and try to avoid wheat because it tends to drive a compulsion to eat more than you need to.

As NCIS said, a bit of very dark chocolate is fine. Since you're easing into in gently I'd say start on the 70% and gradually go for darker and darker. I eat 90% Lindt now which has only 14g of carbs per 100g bar so on the very odd occasion that I go a bit mad and eat most of a bar instead of the 2-4 squares I planned then it really isn't the end of the world carb wise. 14g per hundred would be pretty high for something you're likely to eat a lot of but 90% chocolate is not one of those things.

As for protein shakes, they tend to be full of artificial stuff particularly artificial sweeteners so you probably shouldn't make them a major part of your diet, particularly if you want to get rid of a sweet tooth which makes low carbing a lot easier because most cakes and desert type things just become too sweet so even if you do cave you just have a spoonful and realise that you don't particularly want it. It's actually very difficult to not get adequate protein while low carbing - you'd have to just be eating veg and butter all day. When you cut out the high carb stuff it means that the amount of protein and fat naturally increase to compensate. As long as you are eating eggs, cheese, meat, fish or veggie protein at most meals then I'd be very surprised if you weren't getting enough protein. Also, once you stop eating loads of carbs, your body gets much better at being able to tell you what it wants so if it wants more protein you'll find yourself craving steak.

As for snacks, I think the 40g packs of Brazil nuts they do in Tesco on 3 for £2 are brilliant. I'd easily eat my way though 120g of Brazil nuts in a sitting but if they are in three separate packets then I'll just have one packet and about ten minutes later I get the full signal from my stomach. I like the almonds in that range too. I'm an absolute bargain whore and hate to pay more than I need to for anything but I really do feel that buying nuts in small packets is worth the money.

QueenStromba Mon 30-Jul-12 16:26:58

topsi - waking up hungry meant that you are probably a bit too high carb and a bit too low fat. I know you're trying to do lower carb at the moment so how about having either kidney beans or brown rice with the chilli and making sure that you have a load of cheese, sour cream or guacamole to up the fat content?

Badvoc Mon 30-Jul-12 17:30:45

Today I have had:
omlette and bowl of berries for breakfast
ham salad for lunch
nuts and choc at the cinema (instead of my usual revels and popcorn and cola!)
courgette pasta, tom sauce and meatballs for dinner

Not sure about tomorrow yet but need to go shopping so will probably make something with veg tomorrow evening.

janx Mon 30-Jul-12 17:55:31

I am very excited to read about the roast potatoes - yum. Was feeling quite trim today and then a man on the tube offered me a seat... Kept thinking I looked pregnant after that.

colette Mon 30-Jul-12 18:03:04

janx - he probably offered you a seat in because you looked trim and he was being a bit suave and old fashioned !
Qs which nuts are best other than almond and brazil? I have brought Tesco mixed nuts - almond, hazelnut, brazil, cashew, walnut .


Badvoc Mon 30-Jul-12 18:11:34

Me too! I love potatoes...sigh

CrunchyFrog Mon 30-Jul-12 18:28:13

Today have had bacon/ mushroom omelette, then steak with masses of salad, avocado and chillies. Going to have raspberries and cream before bed with grated 85% choc on top grin

Got to kick the diet coke habit, also the cider/ whiskey one!

Badvoc Mon 30-Jul-12 18:30:16

Any tips te: constipation??
Sorry if tmi!

janx Mon 30-Jul-12 18:38:17

Oh yes that was it - he was just being a gent. Felt light headed on the way home and bought a big bag of brazil nuts. Fish pie for tea smile

jollymary Mon 30-Jul-12 18:57:28

Keep going topsi! Thanks for reminder re. cheese, cream, Badvoc, fortunately haven't had much. Feeling v optimistic today, only 2lb lost but feel bit slimmer!!! Could be all in my head. Today:
B berries, G yogurt
L mackerel and big salad
T lime and coriander chicken, steamed broccoli and cabbage
Snacks: handful nuts, LOTS of water!! Feel much less hungry, sure will lose weight soon but actually just pleased to be feeling better and more generally awake!
Keep going, everyone!

jollymary Mon 30-Jul-12 18:58:04

Are psyllium husks a low carb help for constipation?

topsi Mon 30-Jul-12 19:39:54

oops had the brown rice and DH had the bad idea of adding baked beans to the chili.
Going camping tomorrow for a few days so will just have to do my best when away, am going to do eggs and bacon for breakfast and try to low carb the rest of the day but I do feel a fish and chips blow out on the horizon.
Have cut out my sugar in coffee now.
I want to be skinny!!!

milewalker Mon 30-Jul-12 20:29:34

i'd really like to give this ago but not sure if i'm gonna be left feeling hungry/no energy. i run 5 miles everyother day and power walk 5 miles on the running day (5 miles run 1 way-5 miles power walk back, and am building upto running the whole 10 miles) on the days i don't do that i go to the gym and on the cardio machines cover a distance of between 15-20 miles as eell as using weights to tone and get stronger. i eat alot of carbs at the moment to fuel this. i've now lost 12 stone but lost nothing in the last 4 weeks (more or less since i did a marathon) i look different but am still overweight on the weight charts, will low carb help me loose the last bit and will it work for me with all the exercise i do?

quirkychick Mon 30-Jul-12 22:34:04

Moving I use the impact whey protein. I think they do loads of flavours, but I prefer the unflavoured, or vanilla. I have previously used Solgar Whey To Go vanilla too. You can buy samples of the different flavours to try. hth

We went to the Olympic Park today, so I am shattered. I took loads of nuts and managed by having a prawn noodle (left the noodles) salad on the train, some cheese/bacon from dds' sandwich and a delicious chicken, pumpkin and jalapeno soup at the station on the way back. Needed some dark chocolate and greek yoghurt with berries when I got home as I have not eaten very much!

Viperidae Mon 30-Jul-12 23:21:35

I've been good today for once. I had:
Bacon, sausage, egg, mushrooms for breakfast
No time for lunch but grabbed a bit of roast chicken (that is not normal but had a busy day)
Chilli con carne (without beans) served with cauliflower rice, Lemon mousse (from Atkins book) with a few berries
Small pack of macadamia nuts

I know I was low on veg but that's because of skipping lunch and although I have been tempted to eat tonight I haven't been hungry.

Badvoc- I just checked and lindseed is 6 g carb per 100g, so a table spoon to help, er, loosen things up a bot, would be aroung 1.5. With a pint of water it'll sort you out.

Had a great day yesterday

Breakfast- mushroom omlette
dinner-pork and chorizo stew. With side salad.
Tea- roast chicken wrapped in bacon with roasted carrots and Swede mash
Snack- 8 strawberries with a tablespoon of Cornish clotted cream. Yum.

quirkychick Tue 31-Jul-12 07:56:31

pregnantpause that sounds delicious!

badvoc I use lingwoods milled flaxseed (linseed). You can sprinkle it over yoghurt or salads. If you add it to yoghurt or protein shakes the night before it thickens them up. I think they do a linseed and nut mix too. I will have to source mine frim another shop as Julian Graves has just shut sad. I think if you use whole linseed you need to soak them first.

quirkychick Tue 31-Jul-12 08:01:04

milewalker I walk loads and if you change slowly you should be ok. I used protein shakes/ nuts as snacks to keep going, but once you are in ketosis and your body is burning fat as fuel you should be fine.

Hi all

I'd like to join in, I have been reading the thread and it seems full of helpful tips.I have just over 1 stone to loose, after having lost one with mfp over the last year. Stalled in January blush
I cycle 5 miles a day to and from work so I think a gentle ease into low carb would be useful. Started today with scrambled eggs(2) mushrooms and smoked salmon, coffee with cream
I went shopping for quorn (is this OK?) cauliflower etc last night. I eat fish but no meat

Movingforward123 Tue 31-Jul-12 10:32:20

Ok I think I will defiantly need a protein shake, I have serious sugar cravings!

I've got a herbalife shake but I think that contains carbs does anyone know confused

And if I am taking protein shakes but still having some carbs as easing into it (but not eating chocolate and cakes) am I still likely to loose weight?

quirkychick Tue 31-Jul-12 11:48:00

Movingforward the myprotein unflavoured impact whey protein is 1.8g carb per 100g according to mfp. The flavoured might be more. They do things like toffee, chocolate coconut, raspberry, latte. If you low carb for long enough you will lose your sugar cravings and berries and yoghurt will taste very sweet! You could have a protein shake after a hard workout. Don't just do cardio, though you need some resistance work to build muscle/lean body mass.

magicaltealistmum eggs and fish are excellent sources of protein. Oily fish are full of omega 3 too. Not sure about quorn, I think it's frowned upon on the primal blueprint diet but someone who knows more can probably help there.

squoosh Tue 31-Jul-12 12:15:01

I tried frozen grapes last night. They're delicious and much tastier than their non frozen counterparts.

Your brain is fooled into thinking they're sweets.

quirkychick Tue 31-Jul-12 18:42:51

squoosh frozen grapes are really delicious, especially with feta or goats' cheese...<carby?>

movingforward and queenstromba I use the unflavoured whey protein because I don't like the sweeteners/artificial flavours. I use it mostly mixed with greek yoghurt and flaxseed to eat with berries. A quick grab breakfast on school mornings.

I made feta, onion and pepper frittata today. Baked in the oven for lunch and cold for breakfast tomorrow.

quirkychick Tue 31-Jul-12 18:45:13

Wow that took 3 goes to post. Phone was not liking mumsnet!

jollymary Tue 31-Jul-12 20:50:48

Where can I get frozen grapes? Sound yummy!

Movingforward123 Tue 31-Jul-12 21:33:55

Well today has gone well smile i've had:

brunch - veg and cheese omelette + 2 slices of bacon
snack - 1 linseed toast with peanut butter
dinner - homemade sheek kabab with homemade veg curry and lettuce
snacks - yogurt

I thought i needed some carbs before going to the gym, so had the toast.

I did 20mins abs work at home, then went to the gym and did couch to 5k an burned 400cals shock feeling great smile

Breakfast - strawberries and 20ml cream
Dinner-leftover roast chicken salad with garlic butter
Tea- aubergine canneloni- mushroom onion and cream cheese wrapped in grilled aubergine, covered with tomato sauce.
Great day, oh- but then I had a bottle o wine.

Feel like I've ruined everything. sad

NCIS Wed 01-Aug-12 05:38:05

My DH has lost half a stone in just under two weeks and he certainly hasn't given up wine! He just doesn't eat potatoes. rice, pasta or bread apart from roast potatoes with Sunday lunch.
He thinks the diet is great as he loves meat.

obrigada Wed 01-Aug-12 10:17:00

Finished my first week of attempting low carb and lost 1.5lb body weight, 1.5lb body fat and my BMI is down 1 so am happy enough with that, had wine at weekend and a takeaway on Sunday night so half expected to stay the same grin
Read somewhere that you drink 1ltr of water for every 4 stone of weight, so that's what I have been doing consistently for the last week - 3 litres per day - so maybe that helped as well.
Saddo that I am, was in supermarket on way to work and felt the weight of 1.5lb in butter to give me an idea of what I had lost - was heavy enough smile

squoosh Wed 01-Aug-12 10:29:21

jollymary Just put some grapes in the freezer and a couple of hours later, frozen grapes!

Osmiornica Wed 01-Aug-12 20:09:45

I thought grapes were really high in carbs?

QueenStromba Wed 01-Aug-12 21:06:16

Grapes are actually one of the highest carb and highest GI fruits so I definitely don't recommend eating more than say half a dozen in a day. Blueberries are quite nice frozen but they're also quite high carb for a berry so be careful with them.

ILoveApples Wed 01-Aug-12 21:24:08

Just finished first week of low carb eating, after reading this thread and John Briffa's book, and lost just over 2lbs. I have a really sweet tooth so am hoping that this WOE will eventually help with that although atm I still have to have a small drizzle of honey over my Greek yog, seeds & berries which I love. I tried cauliflower rice this evening with a stir fry and I have to say, as someone who hates cauliflower, it was actually v yummy so will definitely have it again. Can anyone please tell me though if it can be frozen either before or after cooking to save a bit of time?

QueenStromba Wed 01-Aug-12 22:01:40

Hi ILoveApples - well done on the weight loss. The problem you probably have with cauliflower is its is absolutely vile when it's cooked to within an inch of its life. It has very little taste when it's not overcooked which makes it a perfect substitute for rice and potatoes. I've been wondering myself about freezing cauli rice. I reckon if you're going to do it then you should freeze it raw because it will cook while you're heating it up so would overcook and taste vile if it had previously been cooked. I'll give it a go the next time I buy a cauliflower - report back if you try it first please.

As for the sweet tooth, you'll probably need to phase out the honey in order to really stop craving sweet things. You don't have to do it all at once - just put slightly less on each day until you're not putting any on at all. Myself and Sprogged have both successfully used this technique for cutting out sugar in coffee and I'm pretty sure at this stage a latte would be too sweet for me.

ILoveApples Wed 01-Aug-12 22:42:26

Thanks QueenStromba, I'll have a go at that. Many years ago I cut sugar from tea & coffee with that method and it worked really well so will have go with the honey too. I do love fruit though, especially all the soft fruits around atm, but have cut back on them and have hardly had any apples either. One thing that I'm surprised about is that I'm not missing bread which is unheard of for me but it can be difficult at lunch time when I don't have time to cook so are there any "bready" substitutes that you can think of? One more thing - what if I eat a couple of nuts with an apple, will that help prevent an insulin spike do you think? Thank you for all you comments and help on this thread - much appreciated thanks

QueenStromba Wed 01-Aug-12 23:01:22

Have you got access to a microwave at lunch time? If so then just make extra at dinner time and reheat it the next day or the day after if you don't want to eat the same thing so soon. Another option is half cooking some veg the night before and microwaving them in a tupperware box with a bit of fish. You could also just bring a load of picky things. When it's a nice day me and my DP buy a load of things from the deli part of M&S like hot smoked salmon, mexican chicken pieces, olives, cheese, chorizo, salami etc and then we take it to the park. You could quite easily make a salad to bring or bring a load of low carb picky things in a box. Sticking to stuff like that will probably make it easier to stick to low carb in the long term but if you really want bread then you could try this recipe - I've not tried it myself but it does have good reviews and I've tried other recipes from that site and they've been good.

QueenStromba Wed 01-Aug-12 23:10:11

Oops - got carried away and forgot about the apple question. If you're having a small apple then it would probably be a good plan to eat it with some nuts because that will lower the overall GI of the meal. If you're going to have a big apple then it would probably be better to follow Zoe Harcombe's plan and not eat anything fatty within 3 hours of it.

Movingforward123 Wed 01-Aug-12 23:22:13

so today went mostly well

Breakfast - cheese omelette and 1 slice of bacon
lunch - sheek kabab and salad
dinner - pork loin and salad
snacks - vegtable soup at 11pm??? could that be a problem?
snacks - whole tub of yogurt blush I was loacking in carbs and had a headache.

I've ordered my protein shake so should d o better tomorrow, but i think so far so good smile

ILoveApples Thu 02-Aug-12 00:03:01

I forgot about salami - I grew up on that (I'm half Italian) but have avoided it for so many years so will look forward to that again. Will take a look at the deli counter too; I think I really need to broaden my palate as I've been so used to being indoctrinated all these years so a trip to M&S tomorrow is definitely on. Thanks also for the recipe, I will give it a try but will omit the artificial sweetener if it's not necessary - not sure where to get flax seed meal though (health food shop?)

ILoveApples Thu 02-Aug-12 00:07:15

...will check Zoe Harcombe plan too, thanks.

QueenStromba Thu 02-Aug-12 23:09:07

Evening everyone. Hope everyone is still doing well and enjoying this way of eating.

Today I've eaten:

Breakfast: 3 scrambled eggs with butter
Lunch: Mexican salad from this place
Dinner: Lamb and aubergine curry with cauliflower rice and saag paneer

The curry was nice but I made it with lamb breast which I hadn't tried before and it didn't have a great texture despite slow cooking it for more than 4 hours. I don't think I'll be buying that cut of meat again which is a shame because it's cheap. The saag paneer was leftover from the last time I cooked Indian, it was disappointing then but I added some more cream and spices to it and it was rather nice.

QueenStromba Thu 02-Aug-12 23:13:13

Oh and I bought 2kg of linseed in Holland and Barrett for £7.40. Their 500g packs are normally £3.69 and are in the penny sale (buy one get one for a penny) so I bought loads since it's so good in low carb versions of wheat products and is full of omega 3.

janx Fri 03-Aug-12 08:20:06

Weighed myself yesterday in Boots as I don't have scales at home. Have lost 10lb since April... Am v pleased as I don't feel I am really strict with my food... Even had a twix the other night.

quirkychick Fri 03-Aug-12 08:51:27

Well done janx that's excellent!

I am enjoying all the yummy food too. We had chicken breasts in tomato pesto (care of waitrose special offer- though easy enough to make yourself) with veg: I had stir fry courgettes and mushrooms - delicious!

Thanks for that queenstromba I have just had a look on h & b's website and they do my milled flaxseeds cheaper! They also do some with other nuts in, so I might try some of those too. Does anyone know anything about chia seeds? They are supposed to be like linseeds with omega 3 etc. I don't know how carby they are, though.

Someone asked about green tea extract further up the thread. We drink a lot of green tea: we really like Jackson's Green Tea with mint or if you like floral tea: Twinings with Jasmine or Lotus flowers are nice. Not so bitter as plain green tea. No milk, either.

I have started having coffee with crean- yum! We have a dolce gusto machine so I have bought some espresso to have with cream. I think I might still have my latte occasionally - but their cups are half the size of starbucks.

NCIS Fri 03-Aug-12 08:52:31

Lost 3 1/4 pounds this week. That's nearly half a stone in two weeks and have not felt deprived or really hungry. Loving being able to eat meat and cheese. Last night I had some melon and parma ham and a plate of various cheeses for supper.
I made a lovely comfort food dish which I would normally have made with mashed potatoes the other evening. I mashed cauliflower with spring onions and grated cheese with a little double cream and butter with lots of black pepper and browned it in the oven. Delicious!
Also still having wine. smile

nappyaddict Fri 03-Aug-12 09:21:52

What is considered to be low carb in g per 100g? My friend tells me it's 5-8g carb per 100g of food. Is that right?

nappyaddict Fri 03-Aug-12 09:24:41

BTW this website is good for low carbing and so are his books smile

QueenStromba Fri 03-Aug-12 12:12:37

It depends on the food really nappyaddict. I'd consider 8g per 100g low carb for nuts because most people wouldn't eat more than 50-100g in a sitting. Similarly, Lindt 90% is low carb at 14g per hundred because you're not going to eat a lot of it. Things that you're likely to eat in bulk like yoghurt or veg should ideally be under 3-4g per hundred so if you do eat some veg in the 5-8g range just be aware that the carbs can add up really quickly.

LookBehindYou Fri 03-Aug-12 13:24:36

Hi QueenStromba. Really interesting thread. Am slowly getting my head around it. I can't get out of the habit of counting calories.

squoosh Fri 03-Aug-12 13:27:28

I was watching the Fat Hairy Bikers Go On A Diet last night and the dietician was just talking about 'calories, calories, calories'. Advice seemed to be along the lines of trim all the fat off your meat, don't eat more that 2000 calories a day etc. etc.

I think it will be an age before mainstream thinking gets beyond calories.

LookBehindYou Fri 03-Aug-12 15:45:10

How many carbs is low carb? I log my food on mfp and average around 65.

nappyaddict Fri 03-Aug-12 16:57:50

What about pork ribs? They are 7.1g per 100g (of which sugars 6.6g)

QueenStromba Fri 03-Aug-12 17:02:35

Anything under 100g is low carb but most people need to get below 50g to get into ketosis which has the advantage of appetite suppression and a constant supply of food to the brain - the afternoon lull that most people experience is due low blood sugar leaving the brain short on energy if you are keto adapted then that's not a problem. Paleo, Briffa etc don't particularly encourage or discourage ketosis but if you want to go for the full on Atkins style covering everything in butter then you'll probably need to stay below 50g a day to lose weight. Out of interest, are you just logging fruit and veg generically or are you putting in say "Tesco broccoli"? If you are just logging these things generically then the nutritional information will most likely be American which means that fiber is included in the carb count so you would have to remove that to get the carb count that will actually affect your blood sugar which is what we care about. UK nutritional information counts fiber separately so we don't need to subtract it.