Thread 10 already for the Paul McKenna's Paulettes, losing lbs with No Pain! No Pain!! and Definitely No Calories, No Syns, No Humiliation. Come and Join In To Lose Weight With Supportive Friends!

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Solo Sat 30-Jun-12 16:03:34

Welcome to thread 10 of the Paul McKenna's I Can Make You Thin weight loss system.

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system are:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system really works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

You don't have to buy the book and CD, but we have found that they do help and somehow they keep you on track, so it would probably be a good investment and will cost you far less than a couple of trips to WW or SW meetings, so do consider having them in your life.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

HaveALittleFaith Sat 30-Jun-12 16:11:15

<jumps in>
<marks place>

Solo Sat 30-Jun-12 16:13:16

<waves>

KinkyDorito Sat 30-Jun-12 16:36:28

Solo Maker of new threads. grin

JustFabulous Sat 30-Jun-12 16:46:47

I'm here grin.

I will check the pasta, ppeat, and see what it is. DH has just said we are having a takeaway for dinner, probably chinese, any suggestions for best thing for me to have?

FartBlossom Sat 30-Jun-12 17:18:50

hi, just marking place in new thread.

I dont have a lot to say ATM apart from Im still Pauling (or rather I dont really think about it much apart from I still make sure I listen to the CD)

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 30-Jun-12 20:52:59

Fab - eat whatever you like but drink about 4 pints of water, chinese is v.salty but delicious!

HaveALittleFaith Sat 30-Jun-12 21:01:34

Yes and chew it well! Really enjoy it and stop when you're full smile
Good work listening to the CD FB.

JustFabulous Sat 30-Jun-12 21:05:25

I had prawn something with white mushrooms and that was all. Nothing else with it as normally we get too much. It was very nice. Just had a slimfast choc bar I bought before I started Pauling again as I really felt like some chocolate having not had any for a while.

Just marking my place.smile

Fish and chips for tea. It was gorgeous. I wasn't full although I might have had a few cherries too many for pud. Verging on full up.

Solo Sun 01-Jul-12 02:45:30

grin @ Kinky I like it!!

ppeatfruit Sun 01-Jul-12 13:15:06

CONGRATULATIONS TO US ALL ,ESP. THE THREAD CREATOR SOLS, ON OUR 10th thread and the 1st of July and I'm blowing kisses to you all smile wine brew thanks smile

Ali justfab is having health trouble eating exactly what she wants so I suggested she cuts wheat as she has an intolerance to it (like a lot of us). As I have said before I am successful with P.M. and following my Blood Type. Iam very healthy BTW grin

ppeatfruit Sun 01-Jul-12 13:21:32

I'm also an old gimmer grin so it's unusual to be running about without any pain or problems!!

JustFabulous Sun 01-Jul-12 15:03:47

I am having a day from hell with emotional meltdown. Must have PMT. DH took the kids out - planned - but went without saying bye as he was annoyed at me yelling at him in public. Then the hoover broke. My iron is dead after 2 months. I found tiny bits of lego in the guinea pigs hay and have been cleaning for hours. Had yummy lunch - salad leaves, mayo, steak and cottage cheese. Went out to buy a new iron. Staff were on a lets all chat to every customer even though it is obvious the customer doesn't want to talk, the public were all on a lets walk as slow as possible. The staff in the changing room felt it was fine to yell out the size I wanted and didn't have but said they did have all the smaller sizes. Went to Thortons to get medicinal chocolate. Banged my toe on the trolley wheel. Lost my trolley of shopping. Home now and have 4 beds to make. Oh and my car key doesn't want to work and I can't walk the kids to school.

JustFabulous Sun 01-Jul-12 15:05:10

I did buy cornflakes though.

ppeatfruit Sun 01-Jul-12 15:24:42

Didn't the shop where you bought the iron change it? Have you noticed that they seem to have been instructed to 'chat' to customers now? I mentioned this in M&S and the sales girls started giggling when I said some people won't want to talk!!

My blxxdy hoover only picks up through the nozzle (it's an upright Dyson but won't work on carpets which we bought it for). Are you feeling less hungry now? Try camomile tea or capsules for PMT. Also starflower or evening primrose oil. It calms. BTW breathing ONLY through yr nose is also very calming esp. on a Sunday if you're impatient grin.

JustFabulous Sun 01-Jul-12 15:53:21

I couldn't find the receipt as dh bought it and doesn't put receipts where they are supposed to go. Turns out he bought it from a different shop from where he initially said. He will take it back and ask for a refund.

DH has sorted out the hoover and hoovered up.

I take Agnus Castus for PMT and find that works when EPO didn't.

I know in the great scheme of things it is a very small thing to pick up on but isn't it a bugger in the summer when you are wandering around the supermarket in your lovely summery sandles and you bang your toe on the trolley wheel? I have been known to draw blood doing that! Doesn't happen any other time, only when you have sandles and can do maximum damage. Or maybe it does happen and you don't feel it with shoes on. smile

Anyway, sorry you are having a bad day Fab.

Sounds like your car key needs new batteries too Fab. Best to get it done sooner rather than later. If you leave it too long it needs to be reprogrammed if the batteries have died and that is a lot of money (£40)

<speaks from bitter experienceangry>

JustFabulous Sun 01-Jul-12 17:54:29

Yep, I drew blood too.

DH has checked the battery and it is full of charge.

The car is on its way out on the key/dashboard issue angry.

KinkyDorito Sun 01-Jul-12 18:16:31

Sorry to hear you are having a rotten day Just.

Eating not going too badly. I am really having to fight the compulsion to shovel loads of carbs in though. Bit stressy. I've started crunching through ice pops on an evening rather than eating loads of biscuits. I have been listening to the CD for 3 days now and feel like I'm back!! Woo! grin

I haven't got up the motivation to start with the exercise yet though. But, usually, I do it all, full-on, from the minute I start, then I lose momentum really quickly. I'm trying to get my eating a bit more sorted first.

So, today:
toast, half a slice of bakewell tart, soup and a couple of slices of tiger loaf, melon, and stir fry with tofu and noodles. All very nice and eaten mindfully. smile

Solo Mon 02-Jul-12 00:14:19

Must sort cd player!!

Chocobo Mon 02-Jul-12 09:03:02

Just wanted to say Hi. smile

Have just started doing this (just over a week now) and must say it is the least stressed that I have ever been about trying to lose weight. Have no idea if it is working yet though as not allowed to weigh myself until the weekend but fingers crossed.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 02-Jul-12 09:21:27

Morning all smile

I really hadn't realised how much easier it is to be rational about food when your hormones aren't speaking to you. Last ten days I have really struggled because AF was imminent and then here. This morning I finally feel calm about food again.
I wonder is there anything that helps?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 02-Jul-12 09:22:21

Morning Chocobo - PMK is brilliant for that, because you don't have to obsess about the 'what'. Hope your week goes well smile

ppeatfruit Mon 02-Jul-12 09:42:32

Morning All smile a big welcome to choc this is the best long term permanent eating plan there is it's how we ALL should eat smile

Hi Choco - nice to meet you. Do feel free to join in any time.

Kinky - Ice pops are good but just be careful of your teeth. They can be quite hard on teeth although a broken tooth does have a tendency to distract you from eating for a bit as I know to my cost so not all bad! smile

Chocobo Mon 02-Jul-12 10:09:12

Thank you all for the lovely warm welcome. Am feeling quite excited about this. Never found it so easy not to snack in the evenings - I even ended up leaving half a steak last week which I never thought possible (I LOVE steak) so my DH is also pleased as he got to finish it off smile

Bought the book on a spur of the moment the other week. Had got round to weighing myself and was shocked to find I'd got to 17st1 shock blush which is my heaviest ever. Have been overweight pretty much all my life and have spent years losing a bit then putting it back on with more so am really hoping this is going to work!

So far today have had a slice of toast with peanut butter and as I have breakfast really early just had a mini flapjack to keep me going until lunch as was feeling peckish. Am going to treat myself to a nice salad from Pret for lunch I think.

JustFabulous Mon 02-Jul-12 10:21:17

Morning all!

Just been shopping and bought a new dress and two new tops. Going to paint my nails soon.

DH won't let me weigh myself.

I am still trying to do PM but I am also using my Pig To Twig book for food ideas as I think I am getting my calories food intake from the wrong things.

Had cornflakes for breakfast.
Carrots and houmous for a mid morning snack.
Got salad, cheese and steak pieces for lunch.
Got satsuma and pear for mid afternoon snack.
M & S fish something for dinner.
Bought emergency caterpillar sweets and bar of choc from M&S as AF must be due soon.

Solo Mon 02-Jul-12 10:32:19

Welcome choco smile you will be great on here! it's a brilliant system and we are a brilliant bunch and very supportive!
Small tip. Try not to eat if you are peckish, but only when you are really hungry. It's a task to get into sometimes, but that does help with the ststem smile

Solo Mon 02-Jul-12 10:32:45

*system.

Chocobo Mon 02-Jul-12 10:58:14

Thanks for the tip solo smile

friendly7 Mon 02-Jul-12 11:49:48

Hi, I'd like to join you please. I have to say that I'm not good (yet) and stopping as I don't always realize that I had enough food. Can I still join you please?

Solo Mon 02-Jul-12 12:01:57

Of course you can friendly welcome!!! smile you will get used to it, don't worry!

ppeatfruit Mon 02-Jul-12 12:11:45

friendly it's lovely that you're on here now! The trick that really got me into it (it does take some time anyway) Is the 'chew each mouthful for between 15 and 20 seconds' and listening to your body (if you don't usually!) takes a while.

As Solo mentions at the top of the thread both the book, CD and DVDs are extremely helpful but it depends on how much support you need and money you've got though grin you can get them cheaply.

arfur Mon 02-Jul-12 13:22:22

Hello all and welcome choco & friendly smile

The am I full thing is one thing I still find tricky but something I recently picked from a similar WOE (way of eating) is don't ask yourself if you are full ask yourself am i still hungry? Sounds a big odd but is much better for me. Maybe give that a try friendly ?

Solo Mon 02-Jul-12 13:31:29

I find that when I'm full, I give out a natural sigh. I just need to listen to myself sighing!

FartBlossom Mon 02-Jul-12 14:51:57

hi everyone.

Seems Ive not been doing a couple of things right. I need to stop picking at food, just because this WOE says I can eat what I want when I want should not give me the excuse to pick at food when Im a little bit peckish.

Good idea about the question arfur I will try thinking about if Im still hungry during meal times rather than am I full yet.

Also how do people not weigh themselves? I really tried to hold off for two weeks when I first started, but could only manage a week and now I do it most mornings. I know I shouldn't, but I like to keep an eye on it. I do have to say though that Ive not gone above 12st 2 for a while and one day last week I was even less than 12 stone grin I did tell DH to hide the scales, but he refused saying I'll be fine and wont weigh myself, but Im finding Im waiting until he's taken the dog for his morning walk then Im sneaking a weigh in. I know I need to stop, but I just cant.

I do feel thinner though and more confident so its not all bad grin

KinkyDorito Mon 02-Jul-12 15:20:27

Hello all smile.

Am super stressy today and having to fight the urge not to eat the biscuits in the cupboard. I am not hungry, so can't even use the excuse of PMK, hungry and chewing, because I'm not. I am greedy and panicky.

Anyway, hello friendly and Chocobo. It does work, just listen to the CD. And I say this as someone who stopped listening to the CD, stopped following the rules and put weight back on again blush. So, I'm starting again: I am also back on my first week.

BBB I crunch em with my back teeth, like a dog with a bone. Attractive. DH is a lucky, lucky man. I'm sure he often stares at me across the sofa, crunching my icepop, thinking, 'lord, I am blessed to be married to such an enticing creature'. grin

I'm dumping my scales, only because I'm still wavering a bit and feeling like I'm eating a lot, *Fart, so I don't want to know at the moment! Usually, am a 3 times a day girl when I'm on a strict diet. But, I need to try and break the habit because it really hasn't worked for me. Now I just clamber on and sigh. It doesn't motivate me, more depresses me and makes me want biscuits!

Hello to ppeat, Solo and Just too.

Solo Mon 02-Jul-12 16:05:15

Yes FB that's what the rules say...*'Eat when you are hungry'* so, when you are hungry, Eat what you want and then Eat consciously really chewing for longer than you probably are already doing, really tasting the food, the flavour and textures, but finally STOP!! when you are full because you don't actually need more food once you are full. This is why we need to listen to our bodies, our stomachs and in the end, we wont need to think about doing it, we'll just do it because that's just what we do.
When I was almost 17, I was waiting for my birthday so that I could legally ride my motorbike, but I was worried about how I'd know when to change gear! my friends boyfriend said to me...'listen to that bike passing by; you can hear when he changes gear, it (the sound) stops momentarily and then the sound starts again, but sounds different.' He said to me 'soon, you'll be changing gear and wolf whistling at the boys all at once without even thinking about it!' and he was right of course ~ 'cept the wolf whistling the helmet got in the way 'cos I'm not that kind of gal wink...that's how it will be for us doing our Pauling; we just wont need to think about it anymore, we'll just do it because it's natural.

Kinky keep going lovely. I'm starting again too really...we'll get there smile

I'm just back from the JC+ ugh, ugh, ugh!!!

friendly7 Mon 02-Jul-12 16:25:16

Thank you so much for your warm welcome! Well, I have to say that I find it difficult to chew food for long as I' so behind everyone to finish and this can irritate a lot so I suppose I need to find a reasonable compromise and chew for longer then I normally do. Sometimes also it's not possible for me to eat when hungry as we stick to family meals whenever possible and I'm not always hungry then so again, I might have to adjust. Does this all sound awfully wrong to you? I might be not the right person for the group... Please let me know, I wouldn't be upset. Wishing you good luck. You have so much will power! I admire your work!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 02-Jul-12 16:33:06

friendly I think we all juggle this around trying to feed our families in some kind of consistent way. I know that I am very aware of not wanting to behave in any kind of 'strange' manner around food and therefore create food issues for my boys!
I eat as slowly as I can, as consciously as I can. Some days it happens more than others smile

Solo - do you need a moan?

FartBlossom Mon 02-Jul-12 17:00:33

good comparison solo regarding the changing gear. When I drive I dont think about changing gear I just do it. Although when I was learning back in 96 I did have to think more. Dont get me wrong I have definately adopted a couple of good things, ie I dont really think about what I am eating anymore and certainly dont feel bad that my meal may full of fat and badness (like lasagne or curry), but instead of carrying on eating it because it tastes too good to stop I do stop, but I still probably go a little over the hungry stage because Im still thinking Im not full yet although Ive certainly not got to the stage I used to where Id be too full and bloated and really feel ugh. I am now going to think am I still hungry and if the answer is no then I will stop. Ive also managed to not feel guilty if I leave food on my plate. I was a member of the clean plate club and didn't like to leave food, but now I feel chuffed if there is food left as it means I have stopped before it got way too much. There will always be another day to have that meal again.

friendly we have family meal times too and that is not something I am willing to change or miss due to my WOE. If I feel hungry before I know I should just have a drink to put me on a bit, but in all reality I do nibble and I know I shouldn't (hence my earlier post about not eating when I am peckish)

I might have to go to a job centre soon too. I am looking for work mainly over the internet and not really getting anywhere. Went to a couple of agencies today (there are only 3 I can find in my town - Ive not lived here long), but Im not holding much hope, none of them seemed great. Also the job centre online is rubbish to look for work. I much prefer the system that they use in the actual centres. Looking forward to getting a job not only because I need to work, but I will be busier with my days.

ppeatfruit Mon 02-Jul-12 18:01:34

Ref. knowing when you're full; sometimes it takes a little while AFTER I stop eating to get the full signal esp. if I've eaten a bit too fastblush we're not superwomen friendly believe me!! Just been at it a bit lot longer than you and if anyone's like me there are times when i'm really motivated and times when i'm tired or fed up and it goes out of the window. One of the BEST things is you can just start again and know it costs nothing!!!grin

Oh and you know it works. Kinks are you working at being positive about your image are you? c'mon now; he's lucky to have you remember you're lovelygrin WE ALL AREsmile

MardyBra Mon 02-Jul-12 18:08:16

Marking place. And hello to friendly and choc.

Been off the rails - busy week - not had time to listen to trance on iPod and also lots of social stuff and wine. Anyway getting back on track today.

Love to all.

HaveALittleFaith Mon 02-Jul-12 18:40:36

Hello friendly and choco! <waves>

I'm definitely not super woman! Actually I think Pauling is not about will power at all! That's the principle of diet clubs and where I have failed in the past. It's about trying to listen to your body. It's recginsign you're going to fail at times but getting back on it when you do!

I find it easier not to weigh myself when the scales aren't easily accessible. Just seeing them there on the bathroom floor lures me in. I might weigh myself in the Boots scales each fortnight with the fat % indicator instead so I can see both. I used to get weighed and measured at the gym which was a great indicator and something I will miss. Still upset that I had to quit after 3 years there (to the day weirdly!) but it was the right choice for now.

Chin up kinky. Have you tried doing the visualising?

friendly7 Mon 02-Jul-12 20:01:39

Thank you all for your support, all I can say is that I'll try my best smile
Good luck to everyone!!!

HaveALittleFaith Mon 02-Jul-12 20:44:15

friendly that's all we can ask of ourselves!

Currently battling with DH about the concept of not having the tv on during dinner hmm honestly? It's easier without him! I'm pleased though because I only had a tiddly bit of spaghetti and thought that won't be enough but actually I'm comfortably full! smile

friendly7 Mon 02-Jul-12 22:52:51

Hi, HaveALittleFaith, thank you, I know, all we can do is try our best. Good luck!

Chocobo Tue 03-Jul-12 08:24:05

Hi HaveALittleFaith - funnily have just had same conversation with my DH about not having TV on during dinner and he is willing to give it a go. Think it is because we usually have dinner during Hollyoaks so in missing that will be good for our brains as well as our bodies. smile

I too am still finding it a little bit difficult to know when to stop eating. As FartBlossom says it is hard to know if I want to continue eating because I need more food or because it tastes so good. I suppose will get there with practice but I am no longer getting that bloated too-full feeling either so hopefully doing something right.

I was proud of myself last night as managed to recognise an emotional craving for food and stop myself from eating. Usually I would just make some toast or reach for a packet of crisps without thinking but I actually stopped and listened to my body and realised I was still full from dinner and the craving disappeared within minutes.

Good Luck to everyone too!

HaveALittleFaith Tue 03-Jul-12 08:27:32

Don't forget choco that Paul says when you hit that full point the food stops tasting as good. I was a bit skeptical but it really is true! Yes avoiding Hollyoaks is definitely good for you! smile

Great work recognising a craving! I still struggle with that after 6 months...

ppeatfruit Tue 03-Jul-12 08:42:03

Morning all smile ref' cravings; P.M.'s tapping technique actually works!!grinchoc well done for listening to your body it does get easier BTW.

Oy you HollyO.ks knockers our DD1 is the editor of that show for channel 4!!! IKWYM though grin I try to watch it for reasons of loyalty and fail miserably each timegrin!!! She does understand bless her!!

Chocobo Tue 03-Jul-12 08:55:29

HaveaLittleFaith I know it is really hard with cravings as sometimes they are so strong they can feel like real hunger.

Hi ppeatfruit - must admit have not tried the tapping technique yet so will give that a go. OK to be fair to your DD Hollyoaks is the least depressing soap and Brendan is by far the best soap villian ever (his moustache should have its own credit) smile

JustFabulous Tue 03-Jul-12 09:04:05

more weight on

ds1 being vile

think i might have been short with a school mum

just want some peace

Solo Tue 03-Jul-12 09:24:19

Morning! I'm trying to start over today.

I have found that if I eat from a bowl ( not a mixing bowl wink), I tend to feel full after I've eaten and it's a much smaller portion too! my brother has lost 2 stones by doing that, plus not eating so late. We were brought up with massive meals and a must clear your plate mother, so it's a big step ~ especially for him smile

Solo Tue 03-Jul-12 09:25:13

Sounds like you need the other thread Fab smile

Oh yes, smaller plates are the way. I know when I use the big plates and I put on what is a decent enough portion for me that leaves a bit of space that just looks all wrong and the temptation is to fill it up. I am quite good at resisting that but you can see why, if you aren't thinking about it, you can easily go a bit mad. I use a plate for pasta and definitely eat a lot less than when it was on a plate.

On the downside, I always have a bit of an issue with leaving something on the side of the plate, knowing that I have actually had a small portion anyway and didn't succomb to filling the plate for the sake of it. I hope for an unwanted bit of stalk or something just to make a point to myself that I did leave something! At other times, I say sod it, knowing full well that I have not overeaten and I clear the plate.grin

FartBlossom Tue 03-Jul-12 11:36:14

OMG Ive not seen Hollyoaks for years. Decided i was getting a bit too old for it. did used to like it though. Once someone told me I had a hollyoaks face and should be on it, I wasn't tempted though was slighty chuffed.

Sorry to hear that fab

Im feeling a bit poo today too. Yesterday I went to a few agencies and they basically said my experience is not recent enough for anyone to give me work so Im feeling a little deflated. I suppose one thing I wont have to think about what job works better for me if I can't get an office job (Im tossing between the idea of office or shop work) so might end up in a shop after all. That just means I will be relying on benefits to top up my wages for longer as its not exactly great money in a shop (though I have nothing against the shop work, I just feel bad relying on the tax payer to provide for me and I would like to pay something back) Im not going to let it get to me too much or I will be reaching for the cake, instead Im going to clear my head later and go for a 30 min run.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 03-Jul-12 12:16:36

Good for you FB. Is there anything you can do for yourself, freelance, or maybe volunteering so that you have got something a bit more current for your CV?

Going well today, although things could get awkward from here because I'm off in a minute for parent's 'evening' at DS1's preschool, then an hour after that I've got to pick him up early to take him to story time at his new school - it is only half an hour so the parents hang about in the staff room and there are biscuits...

FartBlossom Tue 03-Jul-12 12:40:39

Ali Ive thought about working for myself, but that means setting up a business usually selling something like Avon or Usbourne books which I am rubbish at (esp since I dont really know many people or have that persuasive type of personality). Freelancing is not something I know anything about and wouldn't know where to start. Volunteering is a good idea, but thats all customer faced (ie in a shop) which I have got a bit more recent experience of that on my CV. I just need some work experience, but at 33 Im not sure if Im a bit old for that sort of thing. I have thought about asking at the job centre if there's any help, but I dont think there is. Ive also thought of going back to college and doing some sort of course (I know what I would do), but how do I pay for that? Anyway this is the wrong board for all this so I am going to look at the employment and back to work boards to think of ways I can kick-start a career.

ppeatfruit Tue 03-Jul-12 12:49:34

I'm joining you in Blighty tomorrow but won't be close to a working computer so probably won't be on here for a good 2 weeks ( I will loose weight 'cos no car!) so bye for now grin

ppeatfruit Tue 03-Jul-12 12:53:31

And good luck everyone smile

HaveALittleFaith Tue 03-Jul-12 13:46:55

FB have you considered volunteering? I'm involved with the volunteers at the hospital and a lot of them find it a good way to get experience to get a paid job, especially healthcare assistants. Not necessarily NHS but general volunteering looks good on a CV if you've not worked for a while.
There's lots of funding options for doing college courses - I'd contact them and ask for advice!

I've just resisted a packet of crisps because I realised I want to eat rather than needing to eat because I'm hungry (I've had other bits of lunch already). Think I'll get a cuppa instead smile

HaveALittleFaith Tue 03-Jul-12 13:47:23

Have fun ppeat!

FartBlossom Tue 03-Jul-12 14:47:15

Thanks for the idea faith I hadn't thought of hospital. Also contact who? how do you find out. On the positive Ive just had a phone call from an agency asking me to go in Friday for a proper registration and a chat about what I want so that might come up with something.

FartBlossom Tue 03-Jul-12 14:47:59

ooh yes ppeat have fun over here in Brittain. Its good to have you smile

HaveALittleFaith Tue 03-Jul-12 15:22:33

Have a look to see if there's an admissions guidance person? At hospitals they usually have a Voluntary Services Manager - could phone switchboard or google them.

ppeatfruit Tue 03-Jul-12 17:50:34

Thanks fblossom and*havea*BTW FB I accidentally got yr pic up and you do have a look of the Hollyoaks cast about you grin the pretty ones i mean!! It would mean living oop North though. maybe you do I didn't think grin BYEEEE

FartBlossom Tue 03-Jul-12 19:08:59

Thanks pp I do live up north, but not that side of the country.

Will look into it faith after Friday, will see what happens at the agency first.

HaveALittleFaith Tue 03-Jul-12 20:53:16

My SIL auditioned and was told she didn't have the right face for Hollyoaks - she cried all the way home to Macclesfield! sad I stopped watching soaps when I started working shifts - couldn't keep up! - and never picked them back up. I luffed Hollyoaks in my 20s though smile

friendly7 Tue 03-Jul-12 21:14:39

I definitely don't know when to stop, had too much food and feel heavy now sad

Solo Tue 03-Jul-12 22:10:26

You will learn in time friendly. I mean, would you have recognised that heavy feeling before? I'll bet not! so you are already on your journey smile

HaveALittleFaith Tue 03-Jul-12 22:21:24

And it's not an easy thing to learn, it's continual process. Tonight the voice in my head Paul?! suddenly said why are you still eating? you're full but I had two more bites - tasted revolting sad before I realised it was true! Honestly realising you're doing it is the first step.

I am shattered and uncomfy, time for pain killers and Pauling. Secretly pleased DH has a lie in tomorrow and is watching a film so Paul doesn't have to compete with his snoring!

KinkyDorito Wed 04-Jul-12 07:07:38

FartBlossom I don't think you're too old for work experience; you're the same age as me and I would go and do it! What sort of work are you interested in? I think I'd look at it as a chance to go into companies and prove yourself. In terms of funding college courses, are you on any benefit - could you get discounts? Also, they often let you spread the cost. Some evening courses aren't that expensive. I hope agency on Friday goes well for you smile.

*Didn't have the right face for Hollyoaks" grin grin grin I hope you are feeling a bit more comfortable this morning. You've made me laugh. It's such a shame that we have programmes that actually judge 'acting' talent based purely on appearance. I made some kids analyse it in Media a few years ago. They thought it was hilarious how all the female characters would be teetering around in heels, bare legs and miniskirts when it was so cold you could see their breath. They decided Hollyoaks was "style over substance" and they were 14! There is hope. (Kinky denies also loving it too all through her teens and twenties... grin)

friendly You will learn the feeling the more you try, as Solo says. Says she who has just hoovered her toast in a very unmindful fashion!! wink

I am a super picker at the moment. It is a hard habit to break. But then, when I think about it, the overeating/grazing is what has endured. Diets have come and gone, but these habits have continued and continued. This isn't a diet, it is trying to get me to tackle the most problematic areas of my eating. If I master it, then I have beaten my issues with food. It will not be easy, and I will make many, many mistakes. But I have overeaten/eaten big portions/grazed all day/comfort eaten for 30 of my 33 years. It will take time. smile

I hope everyone else is well and has a good day today. Have some flowers thanks.

friendly7 Wed 04-Jul-12 08:20:17

Thank you very much for your so warm support. I'm so hungry now. Now, what can I polish off? Haha, only kidding, starting with a mug of warm water, see how I feel after that smile
Happy Tuesday everyone smile

Solo Wed 04-Jul-12 11:02:36

Friendly! It's Wednesday grin

friendly7 Wed 04-Jul-12 11:55:11

Haha, so it is!!! Happy Wednesday!!!

Solo Wed 04-Jul-12 12:20:52

smile

HaveALittleFaith Wed 04-Jul-12 18:59:04

Hurray half way through the week! smile

KinkyDorito Wed 04-Jul-12 19:21:04

I'm starting to think I need to step away from the carbs. I have a real problem controlling my intake of them. I don't want to diet, but I am wondering if I shouldn't be eating them. I think ppeat said O blood types are better without wheat? Not helped by the fact I don't eat red meat or chicken...

Anyway, big chemo tomorrow. Off to hospital for us.

arfur Wed 04-Jul-12 22:15:19

Good luck kinky and family, sending positive vibes for dd xxx

Solo Wed 04-Jul-12 23:29:17

Hope all goes well Kinky and take care.x

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 05-Jul-12 00:17:23

Kinky I'll be thinking of you tomorrow, hope all goes well. X

Bad day today. Could really do with listening to the CD but I am still feeding DS2. Who got woken up when we had to strip DS1's bed just now. Because DH had put him to bed without a pull-up on, and not told me either. angryangry

HaveALittleFaith Thu 05-Jul-12 06:54:13

Kinky going GF was the best thing I ever did. I've got more energy, my skin is better, my bowels are radically better! It's hard work but worth the effort. Hoping and praying everything goes ok today.

Not an easy day then Ali! Start again today.

Hello, I wondered whether you'll accept newbies on your thread?

I've just ordered the Paul McKenna book / CD off of Amazon so haven't actually done anything yet, but desperately need some watchful eyes to keep me on the straight and narrow.

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 07:23:28

Of course Biscuits smile

I don't deserve to be on here any more as I have just lost all will power and are so down about the fact I can't even lose a pound. I think I have so much going on, and have tried so many different things, that my body is just holding onto every crumb I eat.

HaveALittleFaith Thu 05-Jul-12 07:32:17

Welcome to biscuits! How lovely to see you! It's a great support network here smile

Now, now Fab! It's not about 'deserving' it's about need. You need to be here, you're just finding things tough. We're not going to boot you put for having a bad patch! What are the specific problems?

Thank you smile

No brilliant ideas as to how to remotivate yourself Justfabulous (I'm struggling to motivate myself!) but you could always pretend you're just starting again and hold my hand smile

Ok, I'm going to introduce myself (and confess my weight!). I'm 5'7'' (on a good day!) and 14 stone! sad. I have 2 DSs, the youngest of which is 17 weeks today. Apparently the magic bf diet doesn't work for me probably because I've been eating at least 3 chocolate bars a day! I was 13st 8 when I gave birth and got up to 14st 2 so I've actually been putting on weight sad.

About 3 weeks ago I decided to try and break my sugar cycle and cut out the enormous amount of snacks. I've been better, and over almost 3 weeks I've lost 3lb but I've not been good enough and I just can't seem to stay motivated. Don't know why, I should just look in the mirror! Anyway, I've been recommended the PM book so am eagerly awaiting it's arrival from Amazon....

Any tips or hints from you experienced folks?

Hi Faith smile. Lovely to see you again smile. Hope you're doing ok? xx

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 08:01:06

I switched to cornflakes from weetabix as I seemed to have a problem with wheat but I am having the same response from cornflakes confused.

I have been exercising and eating properly and still haven't lost a single pound.

emotionally I am desperate for a break and feel I am running on empty. When I told someone dh was taking the kids for a break while I looked after my sick cat and had a break as I needed a break from the kids, she said you get one while they are at school. I cried as I knew she didn't understand.

Fab (if I may be so familiar?) I totally get what you mean about a break! My boys aren't at school yet, but I get (I think) the thing about not having a break and always having to be 'on duty'? When my eldest is at pre-school it's not like a break - it just means I can do some of all the jobs I don't get done when he's at home confused

Chocobo Thu 05-Jul-12 08:20:43

Morning All

Hi Biscuitsandtea - I have not long started doing this and I hope you enjoy the book. I found it a fascinating read and really agree with what it says about diets not working. The other thing I read about diets is that when you are consciously counting points/calories etc all it does is keep you focussed on and thinking about food constantly thereby making it harder not to want to eat. The PMK book is good because no food is forbidden so it makes you much more relaxed about food.

Although saying that I am still having guilt feelings about certain things - like last night got a take-away because was too knackered to cook and even though I did stop eating when full could not help feeling bad about it.

JustFabulous am sorry things are not going so well for you at the moment. I went through a bad time myself earlier this year (job I loved going down the pan which I was devastated about) and it makes it so much harder to stay positive and look after yourself. I just ended up getting take-aways constantly because I was too depressed to cook. And if you have been eating healthily and exercising and don't lose any weight it just makes you feel worse and you just end up wondering what is the point.

No real advice about staying motivated either - just hope things get better for you soon. Oh and sorry if you have tried this but have you tried having eggs for breakfast rather than cereal? I find if I have an egg in the morning it keeps me filled up until lunch and I am usually not as hungry at lunch either so eat less.

Kinky - hope everything goes smoothly today and your DD handles it as well as possible. smile

Fab - I can't remember, have you ever done a food diary? IMO you could do with seeing a dietician. You really need to know what you are and aren't eating first so that they have something to analyse. They should be able to tell you what is going on and why you aren't losing weight or at least give a doctor something to consider if you need to go back there.

And sleep for the right amount. For me the single biggest risk factor in gaining/not losing weight is lack of sleep. I think you can sleep too much though (although I think there is less research on that) but certainly get the sleep bit right and it should help.

Biscuitsandtea - Welcome. You've come to the right place! Don't be surprised that looking in the mirror doesn't work as a motivator. It doesn't for me. I either forget what I look like or I have a distorted image of myself. Or both! In my head my image of myself if I don't pause for thought is a size 16 but I looked like that in my head even when I was a 12 and now when I am 18/20. I get a shock every time I stop and have a proper look like last week when I was shopping for a top for a birthday party. blushsad

The visualisations of a thin you that you hear on the CD or do for the exercises in the book works for a bit and help spur you on and gives you a positive image not to beat yourself up with. It is worth a go as it gives you a bit of strength in the face of a tempting but unnecessary piece of cake or whatever your poison is.

Good luck.

HaveALittleFaith Thu 05-Jul-12 09:27:56

biscuits as if your baby is 17 weeks! I remember you getting your BFP! Still TTC here but having some health issues so waiting til after a minor op to get back on it proper.

I'd say my tips are - post here regularly, even if you're struggling because it's the support that keeps me going and re-motivates me. I'm constantly shock when I look in the mirror or reflection of bathroom window so looking at myself doesn't help. Listening to the CD daily definitely does. Turning off the tv to eat, chewing my food. I'm careful when I go shopping not to buy food I'd inhale - like crisps and dip. They're always supplementary to a meal and as much as I like them, I can't control myself and eat them all in one go. So I just don't buy them and rarely miss them.

Fab all standard cereals have barley in them and you could be reacting to that? I agree try eggs or yoghurt and fruit for breakfast and see how you go?

choco the guilt passes with time although I find myself wanting to chose healthier stuff the more I listen to the CD!

Nice to see you BBB!

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 09:33:36

Thank you for being so nice to me <cries a bit>.

I will keep a food diary. One GP asked me to do that but I just didn't keep it up and didn't go back as I didn't want to admit I had eaten chocolate twice that week. He had made it plain even that small amount could make a difference.

Making chocolate battenburg for the kids, no issue with will power there confused. Will happily watch them eat it and not want any. Don't like marzipan though hmm.

Great tips - I ALWAYS eat with the tv on blushconfused (apart from breakfast)

Faith - hope they can sort whatever it is and you and your other half can have a proper crack at it. I trust he is all better now? Wrong thread, but I'm gonna do a bit of brooking for ya grin

Chocobo Thu 05-Jul-12 09:59:27

HaveALittleFaith - yes have noticed I am generally making healthier choices. Went out for a Thai at weekend and instead of choosing a deep fried starter and a creamy curry I went for steamed Dim Sum followed by grilled seafood. Also had Pad Thai which I love but only ate about two mouthfuls before I was full so do think this starting to work as usually I would stuff myself silly.

The other weird thing is that I am usually a complete mayonnaise addict (am starting to see why I am 17st smile ) but I have been needing less and less and I even had dinner the other day without any mayo at all which is shock for me.

JustFab a food diary is a really good idea even if just for your own info - it does help you to see if you are eating more than you think you are.

I would also agree with the tip about trying to listen to the CD every day if you can. It does really help you stay focussed.

Am starting to get scared about Saturday now as that is when I can weigh myself - am hoping to have lost a couple of pounds at least but I did have a fair amount of wine at weekend so am scared now.

Oh Fab, what a silly GP. That is totally counterproductive to have a go at somebody for eating a couple of bars of chocolate in a week (unless they are those lovely 400g Cadbury's bars. grin) There is nothing wrong with a bit of chocolate as PMcK will tell you. It is the whole diet that counts and everything in moderation surely? Anyway, as a result of his misguided comments you then didn't go back to get the help you need. How was that helpful of him?

I suggested a dietician because hopefully they wouldn't say such silly things. They would look at the whole diet and not just zone in on the obvious. I don't know what you should do really but I refuse to believe that there isn't some way for you to lose weight, you've just go to find it. Don't give up. smile

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 10:22:57

I just can't cope with life at the moment. I think I will have to go back on the high dose of anti depressants. I have chest pains and anxiety attacks most days. I keep dropping things. My memory is non existant. I just can't function at the moment and fight every day to stay alive. I want to run away. I am so sick of hearing myself moaning. I am sick of not coping. I am sick of being fat. I have lost myself and it feels impossible to get back.

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 10:31:18

<checks calendar>

No wonder I am being a wet dishrag. I am due on in 2 days.

Chocobo Thu 05-Jul-12 10:33:40

Oh JustFabulous you poor thing sad I used to suffer quite badly from anxiety and panic attacks and it is horrible. I know exactly how you are feeling - you get into this horrible cycle of hating yourself for being so miserable which just makes you more miserable and so on.

I know things seem bad at the moment but they can and will get better. Are your family and friends supportive and understanding?

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 10:46:31

I only have DH and the kids. I think he has had enough tbh. Work is really stressful for him at the moment and he doesn't have time to listen to me moan. Not a criticism of him, he is amazing.

Chocobo Thu 05-Jul-12 10:54:42

I think sometimes with DHs it is more that they get frustrated that there is nothing practical they can do to "fix" the problem.

My DH is the same as yours - fabulous, works hard, but when I would be crying my eyes out for no reason or keeping him up with yet another panic attack he would get angry. I thought at first he was angry at me but gradually got to realise that he was angry that he was helpless to help IYSWIM. He just didn't seem to understand that a hug and some gentle words or a shoulder to cry on DID help although it did not fix the problem.

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 11:18:24

I think DH gets fed up that he can't fix me too.

HaveALittleFaith Thu 05-Jul-12 11:31:34

Have you tried taking magnesium supplements Fab? I found I had awful anxiety symptoms with PMS and a combo of counselling - to look at anxiety management - and magnesium have helped massively. Could you ask your GP for counselling?

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 12:16:29

I haven't but I will! I have had counselling but find the counsellors haven't ever been able to get to the route of my problems.

JustFabulous Thu 05-Jul-12 12:17:17

Just seen a trailer for Loose Women and they are asking if it is ever okay to blame your bad moods on your hormones.

Hello everyone!

I've just ordered the book - I have tried WW and SW in the past, WW worked short term (8 years ago for my wedding), SW didn't but that was because I didn't stick to it really.

I like the idea of having 4 "golden rules" instead of a diet plan and recording points/ making choices from specific lists and having to look things up.

Erm - I don't know what I weigh though as my toddler broke our scales a few months ago (not due to giant weight grin due to industriously pulling the top surface off while I was in the shower...). I am even kidding myself when I claim to be a UK size 18 now though - probably more a 20. I am 5 ft 6.

I am mostly a SAHM to 3 young children (work a couple of short evenings), and the youngest is a terrible sleeper, up 3 or 4 times most days and starts the day at 5am, after which he can't be re-settle even in my bed with me. I do all the night waking and 6 of the early mornings each week. I already know that I eat to cope with sleep deprivation (as well as when I'm fed up - people say "oh you eat when you're bored" but I know that is not accurate - it's when I'm sleep deprived and low level stressed, not big intense stress just the low level stuff everyone has from time to time. I kind of resent the "you eat when you're bored, get a hobby" type comments as I'm not bored IMO! I lost a bit of weight with the early BFing, but kept it up for 13 months and ended up putting most of it back on again, due to allowing myself to replace sleep with food// use food as my pick-me-up.

The check out lady in our local small supermarket (who I sort of "know" from 5 years shopping there) confidently congratulated me on expecting another baby today - I'm not pregnant, just a fat apple shape! I am quite thick skinned and laughed it off but it's a bit of a reality check!

Joined a gym with child care today, as having a 14 month old who doesn't like to be in the buggy unless he is ready to fall asleep, and only cat-naps is too much of an excuse to sit on my bum and eat chocolate grin

Is this going to work? I feel like I'm ready to turn a corner and make some changes but despite the reviews I can't help a bit of scepticism about the book, given PM claims he can make us not only thin but rich etc (in other books)... I hope it all becomes clear when I get the book!

Looking forward to getting to know you all - have only read the first post of the thread and the last couple of pages - Fab hope things improve for you, could you try a different GP? My parents used to be doctors and I have heard them talk very unsympathetically about patients who came to them with anything other than a "proper illness" to each other - they are not all good nor do they all have the right line on every problem, but if you ask for a different GP at the same practice next time you might find somebody more useful!

Hello EnglishWoman smile

I can relate to an awful lot of what you say smile. I probably do eat when I'm bored sometimes but more often it's that low level stress as you say. For example if I'm having a tiring / stressful day with ds1 I reach straight for the chocolate for a pick me up. And with a 4 mth old I've had a lot of broken nights recently grin so again the tiredness thing applies - sugar = quick pick me up. You have my sympathy if you've one who is still up a lot in the night - I take my hat off to you for that.

Anyway, I don't have any success or tips to share but just wanted to say hi smile.

Oh, who was it who said about the wrong image when you look in the mirror - yes yes yes! I thought I was big when I was a size 12 - I'm sure I still see the same reflection. It's when I see a picture (and there's a lot of them about with a new baby) that I get a (nasty) reality check sad.

I don't want to be fat in all the pictures we get of our gorgeous boys sad

KinkyDorito Thu 05-Jul-12 16:33:49

Will read through this properly in a moment.

One of the mums at clinic has had a hypno gastric band done. She's lost 2.5st and still going strong, even though her last session was a few months ago.

I am now very, very tempted to try this. Just, costs £250. Anyone had any experience? The support bits sound very similar to PMK, but they actually make your brain believe you have a band. My friend can't touch any of the foods that she used to like either. I know that you can train yourself with aversion therapy through PMK (human hair chips, anyone?!) but I wonder if it would work better to actually be hypnotised by another person, iyswim?

On a shittier note, DDs counts still very low but with no reason. They have agreed to check her bone marrow next week if they are still low. They don't normally do this until the end. They will be checking for relapse. Don't want to dwell on that for now though. We'll see what her bloods are doing next week.

HaveALittleFaith Thu 05-Jul-12 17:58:54

Oh kinky I hope and pray its better news tomorrow. I know done one who has benefitted from hypnotherapy - she has a lot of issues - but here it's £40 per session shock She is very overweight - she needs to lose me so 13 stone to be in a healthy weight range. She's not really started to tackle her weight as yet. I don't know - I guess too skeptical for hypontherapy but lots of people report it working. I think it's a lot of money but it's probably less than I spent at WW and I'm still fat!

Welcome to theenglishwoman...what should we call you? I think yes - if you want this to work, it will. It's a journey, it's not slim fast a quick fix but it will gradually change your attitude. I've been Pauling six months and although I haven't lost much weight - I lost a stone but gained it back when I was really ill so am about 4lb lighter - I feel so much better about myself and about food. I luff the book actually. It's really no nonsense but quite eye opening. I'd been brain washed afte years of dieting and now I see sense!

Kinky, I know we've not 'met' but will be keeping everything crossed for better news next week x

MardyBra Thu 05-Jul-12 18:34:00

Keeping fingers crossed for you kinky.

Hello newbies - so many foodie names - has anyone noticed? Doritos, biscuits, choc. At least pp's fruit name is reasonable healthy.

In response to English's question about whether this is going to work, PMK doesn't claim 100% success - I can remember the actual figure but it was around 80%. Some of us went to a seminar run by him following a webchat on MN, and I also remember him saying that he didn't really want to call the programme "I Can Make You Thin" but that was more of a decision from the marketing people. "I can improve your relationship with food and hopefully you'll lose a bit of weight and actually keep it of" isn't quite as snappy.

Chocobo Thu 05-Jul-12 20:41:56

kinkydorito another one here who has not met you but wishing you all the best.

Ha ha mardy my name not actually chocolate related. A chocobo is a large yellow bird from a computer game series. Although now I am wondering what a chocobo would taste like. Probably chicken smile

Solo Fri 06-Jul-12 00:41:35

Hi ladies and welcome newbies smile You are indeed in the right place to retrain your body (and mind) and eat to suit your stomach, not your head! your new way of eating and life starts here and I can't see why or how you'd regret it smile

I am sorry that you feel down again fab come and have a grumble on the other thread smile

Kinky try to stay positive.x

Going to try to sleep now, will attempt a longer post tomorrow (today!!!). Night all.x

friendly7 Fri 06-Jul-12 07:49:18

Hello girls. I like the idea of staying positive. Thank you for your great support smile

HaveALittleFaith Fri 06-Jul-12 08:21:21

I said a while back - we all have issues outside of food but it's like Pauling is the one thing we have in common. This is such a great support network. We try to focus on food issues here but have a 'moan and groan' thread here

I'm doing ok with food. Bringing fruit to snack on at work which hits the sweet spot but makes me feel positive too! Not weighed myself in a while. Will leave it til next week I think. Found GF instant porridge oats in Waitrose I'm not posh, I was returning the carpet cleaner to the dry cleaners in store and bought a bit of shopping had some this morning. It's really nice!

Pah! I wrote a post yesterday evening to Kinky and it isn't here. hmm

<blames computer even though it was probably my own fault for having too many windows open again>

Kinky - I hope your DD had a good night and the blood counts start improving.

Who was it who said yesterday about low level stress being a trigger to emotional eating - Biscuitsandtea I think. Yes that is exactly it! In a high stress situation I don't/can't eat. I wouldn't be here if I was properly stressed out because my appetite goes and I can't eat at all. If I were Kinky, I would probably be very skinny. The problem for me is the low level day to day stuff that we deal with relatively easily as part of life and which is probably never going to go away. Probably it shouldn't because we need a bit of stress to perform but I need to handle it in a way that doesn't involve eating!

I am glad somebody articulated that because I often think, when I or somebody is going through something traumatic, 'how can anybody eat at a time like this?' but we are all different and of course there are different types of stress. Seems obvious now somebody mentions it!

Sorry, that didn't sound right. blush

Just to be clear, I don't think it is wrong/bad/weak to eat when under severe stress, just that I don't and I was really commenting that it has taken me a while to realise that you can have 2 types of stress rather than just saying some people have a lot of stress and others don't. Kinky, if the worst thing you do when under the sort of pressure you are under is eat badly you are doing really well. I would be a gibbering useless mess who was no good to anybody including my child. You seem so strong and supportive and I admire you for your ability to cope with a horrible situation. smile

Still not explained very well.

<keeps digging hole, climbs in and pulls large rock over head>

Solo Fri 06-Jul-12 11:36:26

grin BBB

HaveALittleFaith Fri 06-Jul-12 12:47:30

I get what you mean BBB. I'm the same. Possibly because unhealthy food was a 'treat' when I was younger. In times of severe stress your appetite often disappears but if you comfort eat, it gets worse. Especially if it's low level. I find the only way to curb low level stress is to go running. I miss running sad grr I want my op already! But anyway, yes, running helps me clear my head and stops me comfort eating. Cleaning has bedn my cardio the last two weeks, doing a room a night. My house looks beautiful! aside from the two rooms that still need unpacking!

HaveALittleFaith Fri 06-Jul-12 12:48:55

Oh also when severely stressed its harder to make the effort to cook from scratch - junk food is more accessible and it's often easier to snack rather than sit down for a proper meal which is also challenging to weight loss.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 06-Jul-12 13:10:55

Hello everyone smile Welcome to everyone who has just started out Pauling. It really is a brilliant way of eating, it has completely transformed my relationship with food - and therefore my life. I've still got more weight to lose, but for the first time I feel like that is possible rather than a hopeless dream that can only be achieved through misery and privation! grin

I am the same - sudden shock = don't eat. Low level, or background stress = comfort eating. When I had PND after DS1, I ate and ate and ate and ate and ate.

I have really got into the exercise the last couple of weeks, and it is really paying off. No movement on the scales whatsoever, but clothes are fitting better and I feel amazing.
Hope everyone is having a good Pauling day - I am off out in a few minutes to meet BBB for coffee, and I am planning to have cake so I've had a very small lunch and am still quite hungry!! grin

Mardy that is an interesting insight - makes me less sceptical to think the book title wasn't PM's choice and that it is all about making your re-evaluate your relationship with food.

Kinky hope you get some good news about your daughter sad

I cycled to Kindergarten with my middle one this morning, with the youngest in the trailer - 5km (3 miles) each way as we take the longer but flatter route! Then when I got home (sweaty as it is 30 degrees plus where we live atm) and got the little one out of the trailer went and climbed into the buggy and shouted "Muma! go! Go!" pointing back out to the road, so I thought why not and took him straight out for a walk hoping he'd fall asleep, but he didn't then just had time to quickly tidy the kitchen from breakfast before I went to the gym I joined yesterday for a tummy-leg-bum class I had made the mistake of telling DH ahead of time I was going to go to, so knew he would laugh and say I was giving up on the gym before even starting if I didn't go! I feel like I have done the fat-lady's triathlon this morning grin Won't be doing all 3 in a row again for a while.

Not really sure how to work the food side of the equation as haven't got the book yet - unfortunately the exercise made me ravenous! but have not tucked into anything particularly unhealthy yet today so hopefully done no harm... Friday nights are dangerous though, DH likes to settle down on the sofa and watch a film or something together with some beers and snacks, not joining in takes a huge amount of willpower, which I often don't have especially if bedtime has taken ages! We'll see how it goes!

arfur Fri 06-Jul-12 20:57:12

kinky if you really are considering the hypno gastric band check out this thread first http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/1462504-Virtual-Gastric-Band-Hypnosis-App
Its a lot cheaper than £250! I will confess to defecting to this hypno system (please dont flog me). I have been doing it for the last 3 weeks and have lost about 5lbs already. (Have also been taking food supplement a la pp's blood type diet so it could be helping too) It is very similar to pauling with a couple of differences the biggest one being you are 'told' to choose healthy foods and to reject unhealthy stuff which does work better for me than pm (so far) (within reason nothing is banned still). I find the ladys voice easier to listen to than Pauls for some reason. I obviously cant comment yet on the 'actual surgery' part yet as I havent got to that stage and tbh Im not sold on the idea but time will tell. I still want to stay here with you all as I still consider myself a Paulette! Oh and the other thing this system promotes is a massive increase in your water intake which can only be a good thing - right? <scurries away blush>

Right. I've weighed in this morning. I have lost half a frigging lb sad. Again (second week in a row). So I've lost 1lb in 2 weeks and 3lbs in total.

I'd tried quite hard too so feel a bit meh about it all. DH has lost 6lbs this week shock. I'm pleased for him but envy too so that makes me a bad person blush.

Still waiting for my PMK book to arrive.

Hope everyone else is ok today

Chocobo Sat 07-Jul-12 07:58:49

first weigh in today and I have lost 6 pounds! smile only another 6 stone to go but its a start!

biscuits dont be disheartened. It is still going in right direction and if you think about it 3 pounds is quite a bit. If you imagine what 3 pounds of sausages looks like that is quite a bit of flesh smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 07-Jul-12 08:01:05

Aww biscuits stick with it, slow and steady wins the race!

Had a lovely coffee with BBB yesterday, and my DS2 took a proper shine to her! grin

Biscuits how demoralising when you've tried hard - but as the others say at least you are going the right way, if you lose 1/2 lb every week that would be 26lb in a year... don't know how much you have to lose but also I found in the past (only just starting this time) that sometimes the loss seems to kick in the following week. Could you be retaining water due to totm or anything? If so you may see a bigger loss next week!

Can anyone tell me what PM's take on alcohol is? I hope its not "banned" ordered my book and it is being shipped today apparently so only know the golden rules at the top of the thread! Am wondering where 3 beers fits in between "eat what you want" (drink in this case) and "stop when you are hungry" as obviously I wasn't satisfying hunger! I am quite pleased I didn't snack after dinner despite having beers with DH once the kids were in bed, so I guess that fits with "eat consciously"...

Of course my toddler was up twice in the night and for the day at 4.30am, so I should just have had a cup of tea and gone to bed by 10pm, but that's what I do 5 or 6 nights a week, sometimes I want to live like somebody who can expect 6 solid hours sleep!

Chocobo Sat 07-Jul-12 08:32:17

Hi englishwoman pmk does not say that much about alcohol other than you are not fat because of what you drink but he does point out that drink can be a way of avoiding dealing what is going on in your life.

The pmk system is designed to give you a process of continual change so you do start making healthier choices because you feel you want to not because you are told to. He does suggest that at first you just dont eat when you drink and vice versa as long as you do still follow the other rules.

HaveALittleFaith Sat 07-Jul-12 08:34:29

Morning all!

biscuits just remember how long it took to gain that weight and remember you haven't really started Pauling yet!

English His take on alcohol is that it's ok but you shouldn't drink while eating because you're less conscious about what you're consuming.

English I'm still fully bf ds2 so don't have totm yet.

<wonders if maybe I would still retain water in some sort of pseudo cycle>

<realises this Clutching. At. Straws. grin>

I suspect I could put on at least half a lb a week if I tried Faith smile. But you're right, my weight has gradually gone up from just 'overweight' to where I am now over about 5 years (with various ups and downs in between). And I do want it to be slow and steady weight loss that stays off I'd just rather it was a LITTLE less slow confused.

Overall I would like to lose 3 stone - that would put me in a healthy place. My first goal though is to lose the 1.5 st I've put on in those 5 years since we started trying for ds1.

Choco the sausage thing made me smile

HaveALittleFaith Sat 07-Jul-12 09:14:54

When I went to WW they told us to look at butter in the supermarket. 3lb butter is a lot! At my old sad gym they had a Squidgy bag that was heavy represent a pound of body fat (they measured body fat % on a clever machine) and would hand it to you. That had an impact!

If you want a quick fix, Pauling isn't it I'm afraid. But how many diets fail?! Wouldn't you rather do it slowly and permanently than have a rapid weight loss (saggy skin!) and end up putting it back on and more?

I'm rather chuffed. I've got round to weighing myself - been putting it off - and I've lost 2lb smile -that's in about 2 weeks- just by applying to rules and making cleaning my cardio! Motivated to keep going now!

That's great stuff Faith well done smile.

I do indeed want steady weight loss - that's exactly why I'm here. I don't do (or agree with most) diets that restrict one particular food group. Not for long term weight loss. I guess cutting out carbs of you want to lose a few lbs to squeeze into a particular dress or whatever is ok, but I don't think it's right when you want more of a long term / bigger weight loss. Sustainability is what it's all about. smile

But DH did the same and lost 6 lbs!!! I would love quick results from a sustainable methodology in my fantasy weightloss world. So I'll have to settle for slow and steady smile.

At least it's going in the right direction.

Thank you so much though for all your support. What a lovely lot you are smilethanks

HaveALittleFaith Sat 07-Jul-12 09:26:24

Yes when DH tried he sheds lbs so easily envy not fair is it?!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 07-Jul-12 09:40:10

Choco - congratulations on that loss, that is amazing! grin

Oh gosh yes - I meant to say well done to Choco smilethanks.

That's awesome!!!

(I didn't meant to totally derail the thread with my whinging blush)

So true Faith. It's not even like he is comparatively fatter than me. If I lose my 1.5 st I'll be where he is on the BMI scale (ie middle of overweight instead of obese blush). In fact we probably have the same amount of weight (3st) to lose its just he's 6'6 and I'm 5'7!

Chocobo Sat 07-Jul-12 10:06:50

Ah thanks. I suspect weight loss will slow down a bit once body is used to new eating habits but as havealittlefaith said slow and sustainable is the way to go.

biscuits hope you get your book soon. It really is eye opening. I cant believe how positive it makes you feel about food. You dont feel like you are depriving yourself at all. I hope it really works for you.

And my dh is just the same grrrr. He eats probably twice as much as I do but NEVER puts on weight. He does have an active job though so it just goes to show exercise is key.

I'm really looking forward to the book actually. I know I'm overweight because I comfort eat etc so I'm hoping this will help me to change my habits to avoid the problem in the first place rather than deal with it after the fact iyswim?

FartBlossom Sat 07-Jul-12 10:52:42

just checking in as its been a while.

How did the tests go kinky Hope there was some positive news.

biscuits Im only losing a little bit at a time. It was 4 weeks ago I think when I got my book and Ive lost 3lbs in that time, but Im feeling a lot more confident in myself and that the weight will keep coming off. The slower it comes off the more likely it will stay off. You hear about people losing weight rapidly then they put it back on again and more.

I liked the sausage idea. Or imagine a load of lard. Thanks for that idea.

Well done on the wieght losses and hello to the newbies.

TubbyDuffs Sat 07-Jul-12 11:15:27

Read the book last night and it all seemed to make sense. Am Pauling from this am and although I only need to lose about 12 pounds I can't seem to lose that last half stone ever so am hoping this will work. Positive thinking!!!

KinkyDorito Sat 07-Jul-12 11:56:29

Well done on weight losses! They are all fantastic! smile

fart tests are all next week: waiting for Thursday sad. Am very stressed. Ate loads yesterday in an unmindful, stressy panic. Apparently, though, I am now intolerant of MSG (it's taken 3 times of being very ill after pizza to convince me). No more takeaways for me. This is probably a very good thing.

Anyway, in the shower this morning I decided to try and lose a pound a week. That's nothing, and should be acheiveable. I'm always wanting to lose 7lbs a week! But now, I will repeat the mantra, 1 pound a week, listen to my CD and consider getting a hypnoband. Although, hypnoband may have to wait as oven is now officially broken and will need to pay £250 to get new one fitted. FFS. It's those bloody stars again.

Hello Tubby and good luck with it. smile

HaveALittleFaith Sat 07-Jul-12 12:53:19

kinky I'm the same with Chinese take away. Just had to give up!

Sorry to hear about the oven! sad but why not try the app rather than paying out for the band?

Ok I'm feeling way more positive now (thank you all). The important thing is that it's half a pound that I haven't got to lose again because I'm only going to lose this once and it will stay off. I know once I get to a sensible weight it may go up and down a bit but definitely this first 1.5 st is going and staying gone. Fact.

So it doesn't matter if the weight is going slowly - important thing is that it's going. smile

suzi2 Sat 07-Jul-12 13:42:11

My loss slowed to about a pound a week, though I wasn't concentrating on the rules. Still about 12lbs down in total now since mid May. BUT... was on holiday this week at centerparcs and despite loads of exercise, I ate loads and have put on a couple of pounds. Still, at least it isn't a couple of pounds on top of my starting weight I suppose.

Back onto it today and struggling a bit. So hard to change the habits of a lifetime! I'm trying hard to teach DD to stop eating when she's full and enjoy her food. She's 5 and shovels it in before it hits a taste bud! She never gains weight and is skinny, but I was the same as a child and I think those habits started then. DS on the other hand really eats to his hunger very well.

Solo Sat 07-Jul-12 15:01:48

Well done ladies!!! keep going! smile

Solo Sat 07-Jul-12 15:03:14

It's funny suzi my Dd is 5 and rarely eats her entire meal. I hink she's a natural Paulette!

Solo Sat 07-Jul-12 15:04:03

And Ds is 13 and shovels it in, doesn't chew and eats far too much!

It's interesting what you say about the children. DS1 naturally stops when he's full and I've learned to respect that rather than trying to get him to clear his plate. It was sooooooooo ingrained in to me by my parents that you had to clear your plate. I think it's one of the aspects of parenting that my mum is most proud of that we would clear our plates? And I still do it now. But I've realised with ds1 that there is no point trying to get him to eat more of he's full up. It just encourages the same bad habits I have now. And both grannies are terrible for trying to coax him to eat more when he's full. 'go on, have 5 more spoonfuls' etc.

I always think he either really is full when he says so, or he isn't in which case he'll soon learn not to do it if I take his dinner away. BF babies eat just what they need so I will be trying to make sure I keep this good habit with DS2 when we get to weaning and try to learn his cues.

Sorry, I wandered way off track there with my ramblings grin

HaveALittleFaith Sat 07-Jul-12 16:45:41

biscuits that's exactly what Paul describes - oh you're going to love the book! - and get suggests getting into the habit initially of just leaving one mouthful on the plate! Then as you get used to Pauling you find it easier to stop. On Thursday I literally left half my dinner and had the other half for lunch yesterday. Never would have done that in the past!

suzi2 Sat 07-Jul-12 19:24:38

We realised too that there was no point in forcing DS. If he's hungry and needs the calories, he eats loads. If he's not, he doesn't eat much. He will happily ditch chocolate cake halfway through because he's 'full'. He's verging on underweight for his height but the last thing I want to do is force feed him. He's healthy and it'll all work out I'm sure.

DD got my habits. Not sure how, but she's been a pig from the word go! DS o was baby led weaned 100% as he refused to be spoon fed. Maybe it's true that being in control never 'broke' his hunger mechanisms?

Anyhow, I do think it's important that we teach our kids good habits. I'm very concious not to obsess about my food and weight to them too.

HaveALittleFaith Sat 07-Jul-12 20:08:50

That's why I'm trying to get my eating issues under control. As much as I loved my DMum, I definitely got bad habits from her. I remember her weight yo-yoing all her life even though she never got much above 12 stone. She was also paranoid about me getting fat ha and put me on diets from the age of 9. No wonder my metabolism was out of whack! I know she meant well but I don't want my hopefully future kids to be the same!

Absolutely agree with what everyone's sayingabout kids and food - I think with most kids we don't need to "teach" them anything, just try not to plant our issues on them and over-ride their natural instincts, which for most children are to eat to appetite.

My mother was just like yours Havealittlefaith - always very publicly "watching her weight" or "being good" (meaning denying herself things) and being very martyred about it, praising "good eaters", bribing and punishing to achieve cleared plates, coming out with things like "There now I knew you could finish it, now you can have some custard and chocolate drops, it'll slide nicely around the edges" hmm My younger sister was a "fussy eater" and so meal times revolved around persuading her to eat as much as possible, whilst I was praised for being a "Good eater" - till I hit puberty and suddenly a smaller plate was put in front of me and my mother was always trying to make me "Go halves" with her in order to "be good" on things she had previously encouraged me to gobble down whole and have another of! When my previously skinny sister got a little chubby at about 15 she started the same treatment on her and my sister started refusing to go out anywhere but school, not wanting to meet people "until I am thin"... I do blame her for the fact she has an overweight daughter (me) and a recovering anorexic daughter (the previously fussy sister) and our youngest sister was boarderline bulimic in her teens and early 20s... I know she didn't mean harm, but I think her self absorbed relationship with food rubbed off in an incredibly unhealthy way - I tried to discuss it with her once and she said "Oh I know, we didn't know we were doing wrong back then" - which I am sure is true BUT I could seriously thump her now when she still jumps in to praise my kids for being "good eaters" or to try to tempt them to eat more when I have already said they can leave the table, or discusses which of my kids are "like you" and "will have to watch what they eat" and which "will never be fat" - in her opinion, and why on earth does she think the children have to be burdened with even thinking about such things at 6, 4 and 1?!!

Oh rant there, sorry - they have a lot to answer for, the mothers of the 60s, 70s and 80s, in terms of the attitude of today's adults to food! Perhaps it is because they raised the first generation of children for whom there was always too much, rather than too little, food available (in all but the poorest of families) and because it was a new situation they had no other approach than to encourage to stuff it all in, then tell us to diet if we put on a few pounds of puppy fat ?? All we can try and do is set a better example by not obsessing in front of our children about our food issues, and not implant our bad habits on them!

Hear hear Englishwoman smile

Solo Sun 08-Jul-12 00:34:32

My own Mum was a 'you'll sit at the table until it's all gone' Mum too sad and we were very over fed children my Brother and I...We had school dinners and afters and nearly always had seconds and thirds blush and when we went home, we had a fully cooked huge meal too. We weren't fat kids, but Mum was up and down after giving up smoking and my Dad was a very skinny man his entire life, but ate very well.

When I returned to work, Ds was still a tiny baby and from the off my Mum and Dad 'encouraged' him to eat by racing him and the 'just 4 more mouthful's' too and now of course, Ds eats ridiculously large amounts, though he is very slim and extremely tall; I have never forced him to eat everything personally, but he was in Mum and Dads care whilst I was working, so...hmm. With Dd, I have been at home with her and I let her eat as she wants to really. I do notice the difference when she's about to have a growth spurt as she doesn't stop eating and asking for something to eat, but she's very tall and slim too.

Kinky, I don't know anything about these gastric band hypno thingamies, but is it anything like this one that's on Groupon today?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 08-Jul-12 07:34:34

My mum is a 'clean your plate' devotee too. I can remember her sitting with me at the dining table for what seemed like hours while I cried and forced down food I didn't want. Horrid when I think about it sad
DS1 is a natural Pauler, DS2 possibly less so.

KinkyDorito Sun 08-Jul-12 09:51:11

Thanks for link Biscuits. I will have a read. thanks

Another clean plate mother here! I am with parents this weekend, and my Mum still is a total feeder. I have the theory that they showed love with food, as toys were more expensive. She still has (I kid you not) a fridge full of chocolate and cupboards of biscuits and crisps. She offers me things every couple of hours (as I'm typing this, she just has again grin). My Mum has never been particularly overweight and has never dieted. It's my Dad who has struggled with his. I think I've picked up his yo-yo habits.

I am lucky that DD is apserger's, so couldn't give a toss about what other people do, so she hasn't picked up my horrible, messed-up relationship with food. And I let DS eat what he likes at meals. Neither of them ever have to eat it all up, and I let them have treat foods too as DH wasn't allowed things like chocolate as a child, so as soon as he left home he would binge on it (although, he is tall and skinny with a fabulous metabolism, so always got away with it). I would like them not to think about food. If I acheive this, I will be delighted!! smile

arfur Sun 08-Jul-12 10:37:20

kinky the hypno band app I mentioned up thread is on special offer at the moment at £4.99! And no I don't work for them! smile

Solo Sun 08-Jul-12 11:04:50

Thnk I fancy the hypnoband app myself! someone tell me about it! arfur where can I get it for 4.99 please?

arfur Sun 08-Jul-12 12:29:25

It's an apple app but you can also get the cd/mp3 download from eBay if you don't have apple. It's called (easyloss) virtual gastric band hypnosis, by james holmes from Hampshire hypnotherapy. They have a Facebook support group which is great and the hypnotherapists answer any questions on there that you may have. I am finding it very good ATM, it's not dissimilar to pm just IMO slightly better but as I said earlier I haven't got to the surgery bit yet smile

KinkyDorito Sun 08-Jul-12 12:38:11

I don't have any iphone/ipads, but could download elsewhere. I can't find it on amazon or ebay - do you have a link? Thanks for this arfur smile.

arfur Sun 08-Jul-12 13:07:52

Am rubbish at links esp on phone, have to drop dd at school but when I get back will fire up proper pooter and have a go or you can look at virtual gastric hypno band thread in big/slim etc thread on here smile

HaveALittleFaith Sun 08-Jul-12 13:17:23

Try these: link to eBay search
amazon mp3 downloads

I'm in a bit of a tail spin. I've just heard my friend's baby was still born. My heart breaks for her sad

FartBlossom Sun 08-Jul-12 13:19:56

another attempt at posting just hope that MN doesn't go down this time.

Interesting to see what people are saying about mums making children eat their food it has made me look at the way I encourage eating with my children. Though Ive never said they have to eat it all, but when my DD1 only has 1 fork and says she is full is frustrating. I would never force anyone to diet though, if any of my children become overweight (so far none of them are) I wouldn't do anything different, but would support them if they decided they wanted to do anything about it.

Interested in that app too, will have a quick look for it now, thanks arfur

Im still weighing myself too much, but I am under 12 stone now (I was 12 stone 3 I think, might have been 4 though) not by much (11st 12), but still under. Just hope it stays or even gets lower and gets to 11st 7 or even dare I dream under 11st shock

<copies text just incase MN goes down for the thousanth time Ive tried to post something>

KinkyDorito Sun 08-Jul-12 13:26:56

Oh no! Have, that is terrible for her. How sad sad sad sad.

FartBlossom Sun 08-Jul-12 13:47:07

crossed posts there faith so sad. Ive done nothing but cherrish my children all weekend with the Aillidh updates and hearing this just makes me want to snuggle them even more. So sorry to hear that. Certainly puts a lot of other things into perspective.

Just been googling the hynogastric thing and reading reviews. Paul works for me slowly, but I am wondering if its worth giving this one a go instead, though feel a bit disloyal to Paul if I did, though its only a fiver so how can it hurt. I listen to Paul 2/3 times a week will the other one work if I listen to it the same? I dont have the time to find for 40 mins everyday. (3 children happens to do that to you)

arfur Sun 08-Jul-12 13:56:00

www.easyloss.co.uk is the company's website I cannot do links angry (have tried) but there are lots of links on the other thread. You do have to commit to listening to this everyday for 6 weeks (ish) but its 20 mins (first session) 25 mins (second session) and I think 30 ish for the last one. I listen at bedtime and cant help wondering if I did PM religiously everyday it would be more effective hmm but as I have said I do find her easier to listen to and I feel better about the encouragement to pick the right foods than PMs eat whatever you like altho nothing is banned still. Think I might sound like a stuck record so will clear off!

HaveALittleFaith Sun 08-Jul-12 13:56:36

Yes we have been fussing over DNephew this afternoon - come round to watch the tennis. She was near her due date too so all ready at home sad I just can't believe it.

arfur Sun 08-Jul-12 13:57:27

Also Im with you FB - I think mumsnet is definitely wearing a virtual black armband today and the flag is flying at half-mast sad

arfur Sun 08-Jul-12 13:58:47

And even tho Ive 'defected' to this new hypno thing - Im still here as I like the people grin

arfur Sun 08-Jul-12 14:00:27

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/1462504-Virtual-Gastric-Band-Hypnosis-App (link to 'other' thread)

friendly7 Sun 08-Jul-12 14:04:43

Good luck to everyone. Happy Sunday!

Hello all, had a busy weekend so far so not been on here much.

As she said further back, Alibaba and I met for coffee on Friday. She is lovely and her DS2 is just gorgeous. Barely a grumble out of him despite being stuck with us chatting for an hour. The amazing thing was that we hardly talked about you lot at all! We clearly need to meet up again. grin

On the subject of other hypnosis methods, the other big hypno thing that came out just after PMcK was the Marisa Peer book which also had a CD. I quite liked her because she had been overweight herself and knew what it was like whereas I don't think PMcK ever has..

The interesting things that sticks in my mind from her approach is that she 'bans' the words 'lost' or 'losing' because they only have negative connotations in other situations - there is an awful lot of loss around here today and none of it good - sorry to hear about your friend Faithsad Nobody really wants to lose anything which can have a subconscious effect on attempts to reduce weight apparently. Makes sense to me. Unfortunately, her voice was a bit 'hypnotisty' too and I didn't like her CD either.blush

I think I don't like knowing I am being manipulated and having my mind messed with even if it is really a good thing!

However, I shall have a look at arfur's links since it is Hampshire Hypnotists and I'm in Hampshire (obviously that is totally irrelevant if it is all on-line but still smile).

Faith - hope you are OK. It is a very difficult and very sad situation. Same thing happened to a friend of mine a few years ago, and, just as I was about to announce my pregnancy with DS2 my cousin and his wife. That was 9 years ago and they don't seem to have tried again and have no children. sad

HaveALittleFaith Sun 08-Jul-12 16:53:14

Glad you had fun BBB! I'm considering the iPhone app myself.

I'm really sad for my friend - she was far along - due next week I think - and afaik totally unexpected. We trained to be nurses together and although we don't see that much of each other but we always got along well. She's such a sweet girl. She lost her Mum to breast cancer a couple of years before mine so we had that kind of bond from that. It just seems very cruel.

I did recognise that I was eating when full due to comfort and resisted an ice cream!

FartBlossom Sun 08-Jul-12 17:54:02

Ive just said hello on the other thread.

Apparently a lot of them have not had any cravings for sweet things at all. I like the sound of that.

Oh Faith so sad to hear about your friend xx

HaveALittleFaith Sun 08-Jul-12 21:57:04

It's so sad. I'm not sure what, if anything, I can do. I'll just make it clear I'm here if she needs me.

Weird food day today - didn't have a lot early on - slice of pizza for breakfast and then two slices of toast with poached eggs for lunch. I had a massive slump. Really tired, crying a lot and had an awful headache. Came to bed to watch the last set of the tennis. DH brought me a bowl of strawberries and cream (yum!) and I suddenly perked up. Didn't think I felt hungry all day (tmi? But maybe because I've been constipated). Must be aware of that in future!

You poor thing Faith - not surprised today was a bit weird / emotional though with sad news like that. Your idea to just text your friend sounds lovely. I'm sure she would find it a comfort to know you're there for her if she needs you. I can't begin to imagine what it must be like for them sad. Do you live nearby to her?

KinkyDorito Mon 09-Jul-12 06:49:54

I hope everything is okay today faith. thanks

I have got the app (although in ebay CD form) to try, just for a change. The principles are the same, so I'm staying here and will probably do the programme of that then carry on with PMK.

Work today. Am so shattered. I was hoping to do some exercise today, but I feel really grotty from lack of sleep and sore throat (run down). My Mum thinks I should get signed off for the last two weeks of term as I'm so worried about DD and we don't know what will happen, but I'm equally worried if I do that, I will get a formal warning and start a process at work that I really can't cope with at the moment. sad

Anyway, my task today is not to start mindlessly shovelling food into my mouth because I feel so crappy.

2 weeks to go... 2 weeks to go... grin

HaveALittleFaith Mon 09-Jul-12 08:24:07

I'm ok thanks kinky. Better for an early night. I've decided I am going to ring occ health for an initial appt re counselling. I'm personalising my friend's grief - applying what I remember from when my Mum died - and I know that not helpful/healthy. I think counselling might help to balance my thoughts.

With your sickness - I would think most of the time off you had would be carers/compassionate leave so it should be classed as different to sick leave because you're stressed? Not sure how your work classes it. But if you feel you can get to the holidays maybe it'll be easier, knowing there's only 2 weeks left! smile

Good start to food for me today - porridge with a banana - I found GF instant porridge and it's really nice!

KinkyDorito Mon 09-Jul-12 08:39:04

Having a chat with a counsellor will be good. I eat my pain; if I'd have spent more time talking about the past year to people, I suspect I would be quite a lot lighter at this point!

friendly7 Mon 09-Jul-12 10:37:26

Good luck Kinky, good luck everyone smile

Faith sorry to hear about your friend, that must be devastating sad

Kinky are you a teacher then? I used to teach - hugely stressful job especially when management have decided not to be supportive, which is how it sounds, I don't think they can use sick leave signed off by a doctor against you to start formal proceedings, only an excess of self reported sick days. In fact if you are off with doctor certified stress they may have to take a step back and offer you reduced hours/ gradual return after the summer - do you have a union rep who is any use and you could perhaps discuss this with?

Got the book in the post yesterday but haven't opened it yet as didn't want DH to laugh at me blush , but he kept asking what was in the parcel so has laughed at me anyway, I wish he wouldn't do that, what hope do I have when he just laughs and teases and assumes I won't stick to it - then he says he is doing it so I won't give it up to prove him wrong, but that kind of chiched and childish reverse psychology is just patronising and makes me want to eat Nuttella out of the jar, not come over all Nemo about it ... (and anyway I don't think he was doing that) angry

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 10-Jul-12 09:52:31

Hello everyone smile Much better day yesterday.

Faith I am so sorry about your friend sad A friend of mine had a late miscarriage a couple of years ago, she was 18 weeks. I didn't tell her I was expecting DS2 for ages, because I just didn't know how to tell her. sad

Kinky I can see why you want to try and push through to the holidays - the stress of possible procedures and what used to be called 'management focus' at my last job negates a lot of the benefit of being off work!

Morning ladies!

EnglishWoman - sorry about your DH. I can imagine how you feel - my DH might well have tried the same if he were ever really aware of what I was doing. Or he would have monitored my progress which is equally gauling. Thankfully DH is also overweight so he could try having a go at me but at least I am doing something rather than blaming a lack of dog/a sore toe/arthritic knees/Uncle Tom Cobley for not losing weight. I hope your DH could stand to lose a few pounds so you can challenge him to follow your lead!smile

But most importantly whether you feel you are being manipulated by reverse psychology or just have a sneery husband, don't let it stop you. You aren't doing this to prove anything to anybody except yourself and for your own benefit. Don't let him put you off before you have started even if this means hiding the book and only reading it when he isn't around and never discussing it with him. It is possible to do this without affecting anyboby else so if you don't want to discuss it or to be put off by unthinking comments then simply keep quiet and let your new svelte and trim figure do the talking for you.

Good luck!

KinkyDorito Tue 10-Jul-12 11:36:29

I think my DH inwardly rolls his eyes every time I start a new thing, but he does hide it.

The Englishwoman I've had A LOT of time off. For example, in the last 4 weeks I've missed 2 days each week with DD (all unpaid). Financially, it is a struggle. Emotionally, it is a struggle. I can understand why things are going the way they are at work, but it's so horrible as I can't do anything about it. Meanwhile, DD is just ill. She is again today sad. If I get signed off sick, I'm already on absence monitoring which builds up to termination. It's been 19 months, but we still have 9 months to go. sad sad sad I'm a bit of a wreck with it all. We need me to work FT to pay the bills; DH doesn't earn the same as me. If I lost my job now, I would have to go to charity (we already get some DLA, but will not be enough to cover overheads). But, even if we scraped by, I would have to get a job later, having been out for a couple of years and on UPS2, so more expensive than younger teachers. It's all about money in many schools now. So fed up with it all.

FartBlossom Tue 10-Jul-12 14:04:05

I can relate to the DH part, thats the reason why I dont want that other CD to be delivered. I don't want to tell him Im trying another hypno one. He doesn't outwardly laugh at me or roll his eyes, but I can tell he's thinking "here she goes again" and I know he'd rather I just didnt bother at all, but I know if I didnt the weight would just creep on. I can get away with my weight and size now (12 stone, size 16), but I dont want to get any bigger and ideally know I should be smaller (ideally 10 stone, size 12) so I have to do something about it.

Ive not had a good day today and know I have over-eaten and feel sluggish again. I will get there though, its just one of those days.

GretaGarbage Tue 10-Jul-12 14:50:04

Hello all. I am feelng fat and fed up. I am not naturally fat, I ovr indulge too much and can conquer this. So it is time, i thnk, to dust of my PMK book and lose some weight by eating less.

Top tips anyone.

HaveALittleFaith Tue 10-Jul-12 17:35:44

Welcome! I would recommend:
- reading the book from cover to cover
- posting regularly here
- turning the tv off/leaving your desk when eating
- listening to the CD each day
- binning 'low fat' foods
- putting your scales away from easy access so you don't just keep jumping on them (mine are simply propped against the wall but I have to move them to use them)

How's that for a start?

I sent a card to my friend offering to do any jobs like washing/shopping - will wait to see if she wants any help.

GretaGarbage Tue 10-Jul-12 20:40:50

Thank you!

And you can do my washing i f you want lol.

HaveALittleFaith Tue 10-Jul-12 20:45:21

smile I don't offer all the time! Sadly my friend lost her baby when she was full term - I'm local so I thought I'd offer as I expect it's the last thing she's capable of doing....

Chocobo Wed 11-Jul-12 08:57:32

Morning All - Just checking in.

HaveaLittleFaith sorry to hear about your friend. sad Hope she is going to be ok.

So far week going well. Was worried on Sunday as had a bit of a hangover and that is usually an excuse to eat junk all day and order a massive Chinese in the evening but found I didn't really want to as had been out to dinner night before so ended up cooking a nice healthy dinner instead.

I also appear to have become addicted to roasted crispy kale which turns out a little like crispy seaweed but much healthier. Cannot get enough off the stuff at the moment.

Hope everyone's week is going well. smile

GretaGarbage Wed 11-Jul-12 10:02:43

Faith, so sorry about your friend.

Well, today is day one. I have read the book, tried thetapping and finger techniques (not sure Inhave mastered them yet) and have listened to the CD.

Amnow going to shower, drop DD at the cinema and go shopping.

I really, really fancy mince and tatties for tea, so that is what I shall have.

Oh, and I visualized never craving crisps again lol.

I like the middle finger squeeze thing for a sense of wellbeing and fulfilment, it is amazing how quickly that works.

GretaGarbage Wed 11-Jul-12 10:03:24

Oh please tell me how you roast crispy kale, it sounds lovely.

Chocobo Wed 11-Jul-12 10:42:31

Morning Greta

Recipe here: crispy kale

It is marvellous stuff.

On another note cannot believe that PMK has managed to get rid of my mayo addiction. I know I have already mentioned it upthread but I am astounded at how easy it is. I am NEVER going to buy lowfat mayo again. It is now going to be small amounts of full fat occasionally smile

Hi everyone, quick question - when on earth do those of you with small, home in the day, children get an uninterrupted half hour to listen to the CD? I joined a gym with a babysitting room and hoped to listen to the CD on the treadmill, as it is the quietest time of the day, but I think from skim reading the beginning of the book that wouldn't "work" / be effective? Is it OK to listen while exercising? Can't think when else short of in bed, and 1) that is not guaranteed uninterrupted as my toddler is a very bad sleeper who is up multiple times a night, including sometimes soon after I get into bed, and 2) DH will either see it as a rejection/ ignoring of him and/or laugh his head of at my craziness...

HaveALittleFaith Wed 11-Jul-12 11:58:50

I don't have kids yet but I do it at bedtime. Say goodnight to DH, roll over and listen to Paul. Definitely should be lying down and close your eyes so treadmill probably not appropriate!

KinkyDorito Thu 12-Jul-12 06:52:03

Hospital today to find out if she needs a bone marrow (if leukaemia is back). I don't think it is. She's definitely having her quarterly spinal chemotherapy, then we have to have an Xray too, and we should finally get MRI results. I fear I shall be at hospital for some time, trying not to go in and eat lots of cake at Costa (they get everywhere nowadays).

I have been eating a lot on evenings this week, but it has been healthier stuff, so I am hoping I still lose some weight in spite of all the stress.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 12-Jul-12 07:43:23

Englishwoman - I listen at bedtime too, it is the only chance I get with two under four grin

Kinky - I hope today goes well x

I had another good day yesterday, tried a new exercise DVD last night and I ache this morning! Haven't actually tried to get out of bed yet...

HaveALittleFaith Thu 12-Jul-12 07:55:53

kinky I guess after this amount of time you know how DD is before the test results come back? I hope your instinct is right and it's a good day test results wise.

I actually put the CD on my phone. I usually just listen to it through my phone speaker but tried headphones last night which really seemed to impact. Maybe that's a way of doing it without your DH taking the mick EnglishWoman?

Well done on the exercise Ali! Hope you can walk...

Good luck Kinky - thinking of you today thanks

GretaGarbage Thu 12-Jul-12 09:40:29

Good luck for today Kinky.

Yesterday was mixed for me, PMK wise.

Brunch and dinner okay, a wee bit of snacking but not ad much ad I usually do, then major hunger pangs at night, cos that's when I normally graze through junk. So I snarfed a quarter of my son's late night fish supper [shame]

HaveALittleFaith Thu 12-Jul-12 11:36:17

Well I need to get on it more. Just been told we will likely warrant ivf to get a baby but they won't refer me at the moment because I'm too fat (my words) or more delicately put 'get your BMI under 30'. Referred to dietitian which is crap because I know why I'm overweight! I guess I need to move more and cook more from scratch. Need to lose about a stone sad

Faith, I know you are finding it tough going at the moment because you are not well, but look on the bright side, a stone isn't a lot. When you are well you will be able to do it easily, I don't doubt it for a minute. Any news on the appointment yet?

Kinky - thinking of you today and keeping everything crossed for the right news.

friendly7 Thu 12-Jul-12 12:50:46

Wishing everyone good luck. Wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone for your support. I don't know, still don't know if I could stay here because I'm not able to follow the rules. I know it is not possible for me to eat when I'm hungry and not on other occasions because we have family meals and I don't want to upset my family saying mummy is not hungry, carry on and I'll just sit here. So I do eat with my family even if I don't feel like it. I try to eat smaller portions and healthy food but I don't think this tread is about that, the idea is that everything is possible to eat if you eat when your body tells you to. So I'll probably come to support you without making boring posts about me not being able to follow.
Enjoy a nice day and good luck with everything.
Friendly smile

Hi Friendly

Don't be down hearted about it. It is possible to fit this WOE around a family but it takes time to get to that point. You can naturally space your eating to fit in with mealtimes. For example, if your dinner is 2 hours away but you feel yourself getting hungry, have something small to nip the hunger in the bud and then, 2 hours later, you will feel like eating again. You do have to think ahead a bit but with time it becomes a routine and your body gets used to only eating at certain points but being ready for it too.

I also reckon that eating smaller portions is exactly what this thread is about. If you can sit and listen to your body when you are eating (not easy with a family but it isn't something you have to do with great concentration after a while ime) you will stop eating as much as you did before and your portions will get smaller. As for healthy eating, evidence suggests that because you are eating less you will, eventually gravitate towards the healthier food. Not every time, Pauling isn't about that particularly, but enough of the time to make a difference.

Don't give up Friendly, keep posting even if you don't feel like you are getting anywhere (like me at the moment if truth be told but we aren't talking about me grin). It will all fall into place if you let it. It is an easy WOE in that the rules aren't difficult to understand or to follow in theory but, like most things worth doing, it does require effort in the beginning because what you are trying to do is changes long standing habits.

You can do it!!! <waggles cheerleading pompoms in Friendly's face>

BTW, has anybody seen Fab about recently?

I thought of her this week when reading an article in Good Housekeeping which was about a woman who couldn't lose weight despite not over eating and actively trying to lose weight by eating less which sounds a lot like Fab.

Turns out she had peri-diabetes (or was it pre-diabetes although probably the same thing). She was basically not yet diabetic but her pancreas was showing signs of giving up. The dietician suggested high protien low carbs for her and she lost a lot of weight and wasn't pre-diabetic any more.

Just wondered if it was an avenue Fab might consider getting checked. It could explain why some people genuinely don't seem to be eating much but can't lose weight but I suppose we can't all make an appointment with an endocrinologist.

Fab if you are lurking, hope you are OK. smile

HaveALittleFaith Thu 12-Jul-12 13:47:17

I know BBB, I know really. When I started Pauling I lost that in two months! Also I'm not massively keen on rushing into IVF. I know enough of the process to know its not to be done light-heartedly. It was a Locum consultant and I felt like he just wanted to offer us something because it's been 2 1/2 years. However, DH only started being treated in December for the issue affecting his fertility. Since it takes about 70 days for swimmers to mature he's probably only been in normal ranges a few months. Add in that I've been ill since then, I'm not surprised we haven't conceived since! I am still waiting for my op but will start walking in the village each evening while I can't run. Maybe this is the kick up the arse I need!

friendly you can certainly still eat consciously, chew your food, think about when you're eating even if you can't fully apply the rules. Hope you get on well smile

TubbyDuffs Thu 12-Jul-12 14:46:22

I'm just checking in, as started this on Saturday. So far I have only managed to listen to the CD once! Is it really important to success to listen to it daily? I will make more of an effort.

I haven't really tried all the exercises, although I am finding visualising being slim helping a lot to combat any habit of snacking!

I am managing to stick to the 4 golden rules though, so am pretty sure I will see a result in 2 weeks time when I weigh myself.

I am going to keep lurking/posting in this thread though, as it is great not to do this alone!

friendly7 Thu 12-Jul-12 16:09:10

Thank you so much for your support. I love this tread!!! I'll try my best, I promise. And I'll keep posting smile Wishing you all good luck. You are all fantastic! Kindness is priceless!!!

KinkyDorito Thu 12-Jul-12 18:16:07

She didn't need bone marrow, so that was great news, and a huge relief smile. However, she does have some iron in her liver and may need treating for that. We had to have more tests and we will wait and see.

The day started not so well with her being very sick in the Xray waiting room, much to the horror of other parents in there. She's 13, and adult sized. Plus she has hair now. I could do with a badge for her saying 'I have cancer', so people might be a bit more sympathetic.

Then, they forgot to take blood from vein when she was under. She usually has it from her portacath, which is a permanent port under her skin into a vein, but it isn't always reliable for certain tests. So, we ended up there for a couple of extra hours whilst they had to take blood from her arm. This is difficult as she is scared of needles, and the steroids she takes have given her 'toddler arms' (consultant's words) so she is very chunky there. 7 lots of numbing cream, 3 attempts, 1 nurse and 1 doctor, and hopefully they have enough for the tests otherwise we will have to go back again.

Fun all round.

Anyway, I managed all of this with a little wholemeal sub with hummous and salad in it (the hospital actually had a healthy option for a change, as it is also generally just cake and chips) and a skinny latte. I am feeling very virtuous!

arfur Thu 12-Jul-12 19:33:28

Great news Kinky sorry you day was stressful but well done for not eating your way thru it! Hope dd is feeling better tonight grin

And friendly bertha is right! Keep at it and it will eventually 'click' smile

HaveALittleFaith Thu 12-Jul-12 19:55:23

Well I'm glad the big picture is good news kinky. Especially well done for the good food choices while you were there. I hope they can get the iron in her liver sorted. My Mum was a bit like that with her cancer - I think people only really 'get' hair loss as a sign. They only understand what they can see. Fwiw I vomited copious amounts into a washing up bowl in A&E one time while waiting to be triaged smile I was mostly sitting with football-related injuries. Their parents were horrified!

I've had a bit of a cry and talked to one of my closest friends who just happens to be a dietitian. I am focusing on applying Paul rules but I need to stop pretending cravings are 'what I really want to eat'. It's not doing me any favours!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 12-Jul-12 21:23:23

Kinky that is rubbish about the blood-taking, but very good news on the bone marrow test smile

friendly I agree with everything Bertha said. The trick initially is to keep your portions small and eat frequently, and gradually you will get into the groove with it.
It took me a while to realise that just because I feel a little hungry, it doesn't mean that I have to eat. If I feel hungry but I know that dinner is an hour away, then I have a cup of tea and a very few nuts, or a square of dark chocolate and some dried apricots to tide me over and so that I am not sooooo starving when my meal comes that I eat past my hunger.
This is all about learning to listen to your body again, to allow yourself to enjoy food rather than seeing it as an enemy to be beaten into submission.
I have been Pauling for over a year, and I am still learning. I am so much happier with my weight, my body, myself, my life than I was a year ago - and I'm a lot thinner too! grin

Faith - IVF would be a massive step, but at least they are prepared to offer it to you if that is what you want. Hopefully once you have your health issues sorted then it won't be needed smile

HaveALittleFaith Thu 12-Jul-12 21:35:05

That's exactly how I see it. Good start, I have not had chips with my dinner and been for a walk with my sister for about 50 minutes. Good in terms of exercise and mental health smile

friendly7 Thu 12-Jul-12 22:27:49

Thank you very much girls for your support. I've managed to avoid chips and I had fish with canned mashy peas, grapes for pudding, coffee with 1 spoon of honey, feeling hungry now so I've just cooked some frozen peas LOL. It has been a good day smile Good luck to you all!!! And thank you!!!

Solo Thu 12-Jul-12 22:44:41

That is good news Kinky smile I'm so pleased.

Well, the weight is going on and I don't know why really. I've been working like a trojun for about 6 weeks. I'm exhausted. And guess what?! we are going camping tomorrow night until Sunday lunchtime. This is with my brother and a few of (mostly his) friends up near (in?) Northampton. They do this car thing there every year and they've roped me in this year to drive one of the friends tanks cars up there. Not costing me very much which is a blessing, I just hope that Dd likes it under canvass!

Kinky - I'm really pleased for you and your DD. What a relief about the bone marrow! I am sure people realised your DD was ill and couldn't help herself, vomiting in the x-ray waiting room. It is a bit shocking if you aren't expecting it but she is in a hospital and they would be a bit daft not to realise there were sick people there. And besides, who cares what they thing?! Have a good laugh at their expense and their horror if they don't get it! <mean cackle>

The blood test thing sounds like a nightmare though. I dread DS1 having to have a blood test. He has AS too and I still remember how he was last time he had an injection - I had to hold him down. 1000x worse for your DD after all the needles she must have had to deal with. No wonder if is an ordeal. sad

And well done to you too for not over eating. I hope you feel really good about that smile

Faith - I'm glad your day improved. Shall we go and stand outside the hospital with placards demanding a date for your op. So much depends on you getting sorted doesn't it? Life would be so much easier without it hanging around and holding up your life. smile

Solo - rather you than me with the camping. I'm afraid you wouldn't catch me under canvas unless I was being paid copious amounts of money and probably it was indoor camping. grin

<remembers nearly being nearly blown off a hill in a tent in Cornwall once and other 'pleasant' camping memories......shudders>

Friendly - You go girl! Glad this evening was a success.smile

<waves to Ali, Tubby and arfur>

friendly7 Fri 13-Jul-12 08:20:26

Wishing everyone success. Weekend is here but we'll carry on and smile smile

KinkyDorito Sun 15-Jul-12 12:30:45

3lb off this week. 6lbs so far. Steady does it. I am now getting excited about supreme holiday next year, so action must be taken to tone up as much as I can without surgery. (I'm not joking, need full body lift.) I want to be able to wear sleeveless tops and sun dresses. I WILL wear them!!! grin

Is it just me and the tumbleweed? It's very quiet in here!

Well done Kinky! That is brilliant. I hope you achieve your target - you can do it. It is good to have such a happy thing to aim for.

Hope your DD isn't too bad at the moment too.smile

I reckon though, even if I ever achieve my target I will still want to cover up my bingo wings. They are heritary apparently. My mum lost 4st with WW and mentioned to the doc when she saw him that she didn't know why her arms hadn't strunk too. He said it genetic where you carry your fat and short of surgery she wouldn't get rid of them - a bit drastic when you are 72!

Sadly I have those genes. You can see it - I have big floppy arms and yet I see women even fatter than me with arms half the size wearing sleeveless tops - makes me very envy

KinkyDorito Sun 15-Jul-12 13:29:54

I'm like that BBB, and possible kidding myself that I can change them! I'm always looking for sleeves and always get narky in summer when everything goes to short sleeves/sleeveless. Unfortunately, DD's arms are getting bad too. Steroids have laid fat down lots on her them - consultant says she has 'toddler arms' now, and they have lots of angry stretch marks because it has gone on so quickly. However, in the scheme of things, this is probably the least of her worries. But, it's still not nice.

HaveALittleFaith Sun 15-Jul-12 13:41:40

What a fantastic achievement kinky! That must have boosted your confidence smile hereditary bingo wings eh? I got mine from my Mum. Not til bad currently (I'm 30) but I do reckon they'll get worse.

I went to a wedding yesterday - friend from 6th form college so it's like a reunion when we get together. I couldn't drink which probably saved us a fortune! Still spent quite a bit - hotel, drinks, gift. There was no hen do which I was a bit disappointed about but she had no bridesmaids (I thought it a bit weird but I think since she's got an 8 week old baby she didn't want to and the bride maybe felt weird about having anyone else?) Sad not to have the knees up but guess that's one less expense? Anyway it was a fab day. Sun shone when it needed to, she was a stunning bride but most importantly they're a fantastic couple who are really well suited smile I'm a bit sniffly so I'm having a lie down now we're home!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 15-Jul-12 18:13:06

Evening ladies smile

We've been down seeing MIL and step-FIL this weekend and had a lovely time. I managed to Paul in parts, although the vat of wine I consumed last night possibly wasn't the wisest idea...
They were shock when we arrived at how much slimmer I am, which was lovely grin

My arms aren't too bad, although I think they will go unless I do something - Shred is definitely helping, they are less wobbly and more defined in just 3 weeks. Must persevere!

Kinky that is great progress, well done! grin

Faith that sounds a lovely day, I love weddings smile

<waves> to everyone else!

friendly7 Sun 15-Jul-12 18:51:39

Hi girls. Happy Sunday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful time.
Wishing you all happiness and success!

neverputasockinatoaster Sun 15-Jul-12 18:58:04

Evening all. I've not been on here for a while as I have been rubbish.

I keep looking at myself and feeling so ashamed of myself. I know what I need to do and I know why I need to do it so WTF can I not do it?

Right - tonight I listen to PMK again and tomorrow I follow the rules......

Am currently 15 stone 12 lbs and 8 ozs.

KinkyDorito Sun 15-Jul-12 19:42:01

Hi all smile. Thanks for all the kind words thanks.

never I know exactly how you feel: it so hard when food is your addiction of choice. Even though we know what we are supposed to do, we don't. I started again at officially 15st 3lbs on the scales, although some days it was creeping towards 15st 7lbs. I am just trying to take each day as it comes. I am now 14st 11lbs. A long way to go yet, and I just want to wake up at 10st 7lbs, but I have to take deep breaths and plod on. If I lose 1lb a week, by next year I will be 3.5st lighter... Good luck smile.

HaveALittleFaith Sun 15-Jul-12 20:08:56

never I know what you mean. I've been hiding behind being I'll and using Pauling as an excuse for eating crap. I almost felt like with TTC issues my life was put of my control. In the last few weeks I've stopped complaining about finding it too difficult to clean the house and started to do a room a night (this works for me, I realise it will not be that simple when we do have kids). I've also realised no-one else is going to get my BMI under 30, I have to do it. So I'm planning my meals more carefully - aiming to eat a more protein rich diet, eat less junk food. I'm using the food suggestions from the Curves diet but not the calorie restrictions. I think the Paul principle of making healthy choices/choosing fresh food (I'm sure I've heard him say that in his CD) has kind of passed me by?! I've done a protein rich pack up for work tomorrow and walked a 4k route round the village despite being tired and having the sniffles. I can't keep making excuses!

I will try to put a pic of my outfit for the wedding on my profile if you guys would like to see? I'm in the lilac dress smile

KinkyDorito Sun 15-Jul-12 21:28:07

Ooo yes Have. I am nosey. grin

HaveALittleFaith Sun 15-Jul-12 22:04:55

Am having iPhone issues. I will wrestle with DH try to get the laptop we bought on Friday (which I haven't used yet!) tomorrow night and put some on smile

HaveALittleFaith Mon 16-Jul-12 21:26:08

Ok I have control of the laptop shock so the photo is up!

Today I have eaten well and done a 6k walk! I am rather proud of myself... grin

KinkyDorito Mon 16-Jul-12 22:07:45

Dress is very pretty! You look lovely. Weren't you cold? I'm still in big cardigans grin.

I've stuffed my face tonight. I can't wait to finish work for summer. It will take some pressure off and hopefully I will get a better grip over the next 6 weeks. 4 days to go, with some serious work to do in the meantime.

You look lovely Faith. I wish I could wear a dress like that but I wouldn't look as good as you in it.

Doing OK today but I am very tempted to eat something at the moment so I am in hiding in the loft. (Don't worry it converted - I'm not sat in the dark with the spiders, trying not to fall through the ceilinggrin). Will have to venture down at some point or DH will think I have left him!

Solo Mon 16-Jul-12 22:37:55

HALF you look lovely!! smile am a little bit envy.

I have a wedding to go to on the last weekend of this month; I have no idea what to wear and I have definitely gained some of the weight I lost sad I will also be seeing an old school friend that I haven't seen in 30 years! and she was always the lovely sweet one y'know?! so I'm cacking it here wondering what the hell to wear and how to wear it without looking like crap... <sigh> I'm sooo stoooooooopid!

Kinky (((hugs))) to you honey.x

Hi everyone I've missed...come and hold my hand and get me back on track please...

<Goes to moany thread to moan>

HaveALittleFaith Mon 16-Jul-12 22:46:05

Thanks for the compliments! blush kinky I had a pashmina too but that was the end of the night after lots of dancing so I warmed up! I was a bit self-conscious but with suck-you-in tights I felt nice smile DH insisted I didn't need my magic knickers but I had them on stand by!

kinky I admire you for sticking with it. Just think, you'll have time to get on top of your life in 4 days!

Ali is there anything in your wardrobe you could update? Do you have the budget to go shopping? Mine was only £24 in the Debenhams sale (bargain!).

BBB you need nice/healthy snacks in the house! Hope you've escaped the attic! Thinking of that, <waves> to EnglishWoman, friendly, everyone lurking smile

Solo Mon 16-Jul-12 22:58:34

I'm assuming you mean Solo and not Ali HALF! smile
I'm looking at old stuff in the wardrobe most of which wont fit...and it's a pain isn't it? you find a dress but it wont go with your hat and if you wear the sandals that'll go with the dress that wont go with the hat then you can't wear tights even though you badly need to wear those suck in tights, so you'll then have to find another hat and wear winter shoes...

HaveALittleFaith Mon 16-Jul-12 23:04:11

Yes I did blush yes in the end I realised only a dress I bought at my very heaviest would fit/be appropriate/ not have been seen before so I bought a new dress but wore old accessories. Frantic purchase of tights in co-op as we left the village since I put my fingers through the only pair I had left! Oops!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 16-Jul-12 23:42:18

Faith you look fab, really lovely and happy smile

Solo - it is a pain isn't it? I am in a dilemma about what to wear to a wedding at the beginning of September. I have nothing smart and summery, it is in Italy so it will be hot.

I will hold your hand, having a bit of a wobble myself atm. Exercise is going well but my eating is somewhat hit and miss hmm

There is a conspiracy amongst the tight manufacturers - all tights are designed to self destruct when you try to put them on if any of the following conditions prevail.
1. you are in a hurry
2. you only have one pair
3. you are going to a 'do'
4. all or any combination of the above.

They know. I am not sure how, maybe the tights are bugged, maybe we are all being watched, maybe it is one of the spy satellites watching our every move but they know. <taps side of nose>

Solo Mon 16-Jul-12 23:53:14

<faints>

KinkyDorito Tue 17-Jul-12 07:03:04

BBB Yep, tights work evil. They guarantee that if I wear them to work, someone will jack the heating up and I will spend the day mafting. They also always fall down on me, which means I have to do the highly alluring trick of big knickers over the top to hold them up. I don't tend to bother for these reasons along with yours grin. I will wear my pasty, veined legs with pride.

Solo Monsoon? Next have some beautiful dresses at the moment. And, depending on size, my current shop of choice is Evans and they had some lovely dresses in there. Either that, or nice top and trousers usually smart and comfortable combo. I speak like I have a clue about style. confused And like how I assume you'll go for something new! This is why I am skint.

This was gorgeous, but I'm not sure if black is nice at weddings? It's something I would wear to one (in my head):

www.evans.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?beginIndex=0&viewAllFlag=&catalogId=33054&storeId=12553&productId=5955142&langId=-1&sort_field=Relevance&categoryId

Must stop looking at models. Makes me all narky.

www.next.co.uk/x502100s2

I like another pale one in there, but can't find a picture. I would wear the one above in a size 20, or 18 if I'm lucky. The empire line would give me a flattering 6 months PG appearance, and I would have a big cardi over it so I could hide my arms and pull it round my belly when I sit down. Even with control pants. Minxy. grin

ALL I think a few of us are wobbling this week - it was very quiet over the weekend. I need to get past tomorrow then really try. If I'm honest, I'm not really following any of the rules. Tut. PMK would be shaking his head in silent despair.

I think there's a psychological thing with me that I'm still going to look shocking 4st lighter because of skin (think awful chat-mag photo of incredibly sagging woman pleading for body lift on NHS). I suppose I know the damage is done. If I had it in my head I would look lovely, then I'd be much more motivated. Anyway, at least if I get thinner, I can start saving for aforementioned surgery. It would be nice to have a period in my life where I feel normal.

Right, 4 days.

KinkyDorito Tue 17-Jul-12 07:03:52

should say work of evil.

Solo Tue 17-Jul-12 22:58:20

Hmmmm...nope! can't purchase anything at all sadly, but thanks Kinky smile I loved the pink one.
I did have some Matalan vouchers; £53 worth in fact. Some were refunds I'd saved up over a long period and £20 was a birthday gift from March this year. Ds needed new trousers and pants and wanted a Polo shirt (own clothes week this week), so I ended up spending £30's worth of vouchers on him last Friday evening. Then this evening, we went into Matalan (me thinking that I'd see if there was anything for me for said wedding in the sale) and Ds goes and picks up another pair of trousers and hunts around for another tee shirt hmm with me protesting that it's actually my birthday money!!! but he was undeterred and I spent it on him sad
Actually, I wonder if Sainsbury's have anything...a lovely friend sent me a gift card at Christmas which I was saving for larder emergencies...hmmm...

Hi everyone, thanks for the wave Faith smile Glad you got to look lovely at the wedding smile Haven't been on the thread as I feel a little bit of a fraud, having still not properly started Pauling! I have tried to listen to the CD but the toddler (who is a terrible sleeper) has woken every time, whether I try to listen during his nap or when I go to bed, he knows!! So I haven't listened all the way through yet! I have a new plan though... the gym I joined a couple of weeks ago has a "quiet room" - I am thinking that after my workout I can listen to it there, now that DC3 is used to the kids club there... worth a go, though likely to be scuppered by the summer holidays as I am not sure whether my older 2 will be very co-operative about going to the gym kids club, which they are allowed to go to in school holidays but really the toys etc. are geared to under 4s... Exercise is going well at least (I am motivated by being able to shower uninterupted after smile ) and I am trying to "eat consciously" and listen to my body with regard to hunger signals, though I am not very good at recognising I am full and hate leaving food on my plate partly because it means I have to compost it rather than stick the plate straight in the dishwasher

Kinky I am a bit late saying but so glad your dd's news was good, about not needing the bone marrow. You are amazing still losing weight through all the stress and waiting about at hosp apt etc. !

Ooops time to get DS1 to Kindergarten, DS2 gets up so early I have hours in the morning, but suddenly the last half hour slips away if I open MN when the kids are dressed and fed but just playing til its time to go!

Oh and Solo sympathy on the wedding outfit dilemma - BIL got married in May and I made sure I held the toddler in front of me in all the pictures!

KinkyDorito Wed 18-Jul-12 06:52:46

Solo blummin kids! Mine do that to me all of the time. It's a bugger as Matalan have some nice things in. I like their plus-size stuff too. (And dream of the day I won't need it...)

Thanks English. It sounds like you have a good plan! I love your reason for finishing it all too!! grin grin grin I am waiting for "summer" to start. I know that DS will try to thwart me at every move, but I've let it slide this week because of work related stress. I am rubbish under pressure. Carbs are my nemesis. I ate chocolate, sweets and chinese food last night. I don't even like sweets that much. All because I have a lesson observation today, and I'm worried about it. Sigh.

3 days. Clawing my way to the finish line, and looking forward to a nice long lie down.

Morning smile

Sorry I've not been on - was waiting for my book to arrive and then trying to find the time to read it.

Omg, as an aside, ds1 wanted a bit of help with something he was doing on the iPad and has just shouted 'Mum, here, now' shock. Errr, that's not really how we speak to people now is it! hmm

<short break for disciplining / teaching manners / removal of iPad>

Anyway, where was I?

Ah yes, reading the book. So I started reading it yesterday. I've read 3 chapters so far and I think it makes a lot of sense. I do struggle a little with the idea of eating when you're hungry - not in terms of principle but in terms of practicalities when I've a house full of people to feed. How do you lovely ladies do that bit?

I've just read the mind programming chapter this morning and i'm struggling with that a lot bit. I read the exercise about seeing a movie with slim-me in it, but I literally can't actually imagine it hmmconfused. I can hear my voice (same as now) but I can't actually picture myself thin. I can't even insert a picture from when I was thin hmm. So I tried to picture myself now as a starting point and I can't even do that hmm. Has anyone else struggled with this bit? I am fairly sure I have a strong 'self-destruction' element when it comes to food which is part of the reason I over-eat and I have trouble with thinking I'll always be fat so no point trying. This is a big part of what I need to fix. So knowing the problem is step one but any tips as to how to improve this bit?

I'm going to put the CD onto iTunes today so that I can try to listen before I go to bed. Wonder if it will impact ds2 who is still sleeping in our room..... hmm

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 18-Jul-12 09:48:15

Oh I have just dropped DS1 at preschool for the last time sadsadsadsad The staff are all in tears, I was in tears!

Solo Sainsbury's might be worth a visit, they have lovely clothes I think, I buy stuff in there for all of us.
sad at your DS, he is just at that thoughtless age but still sad

Much better day here yesterday. I just need a couple of weekends where there isn't anything sociable going on and I can still exercise. I do well Tuesday-Friday and then Saturday/Sunday I lose focus and Monday I eat because I'm cross with myself about the weekend!! <idiot>

ppeatfruit Wed 18-Jul-12 09:49:10

HELLO EVERYONE!!! smile and grin it's good to be back I've missed you all!! a great big welcome and a YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE NOW to all the newbies smile I can't believe I've got 5 more pages of this to read to catch up properly!!!! so i'm marking my place

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 18-Jul-12 09:56:29

biscuits x-posts.

I really struggled with feeling that there is no point because I will always be fat. I have been overweight since my teens, so I don't have a 'thin point' to get back to as an adult.
I have always been the same about exercise 'oh I can't do that, that is for strong/fit people'.
Finally, I am making some progress. I'm thinner than I have been since I was 23 (am 35 now), and I am stronger than I have ever been I think. Once you make some headway and break new ground it gets easier to believe in yourself. But it is hard work and a long road.

In terms of fitting this around family - we have ALL struggled to get our heads around that to start with, almost every person who comes onto this thread asks that question and I remember asking it when I started and being really worried about it.
What I found, is that if I genuinely only ate when I was hungry rather than just a bit peckish, my appetite fell naturally into mealtimes. If I am hungry at 12pm, I just have an apple or something small to keep me going until lunchtime (1pm here roughly), and the same later in the day. Make it work for you, learn to regulate your appetite. A lot of it is to do with portion control I have found.

Hello pp! grin

Hi Biscuit, yes, I struggle with the visualisation. I either can't help making myself 15 yrs younger (when I was last at the real target) which with the best will in the world ain't going to happen. I may one day get thinner. I sadly won't ever get younger. Even then I only see a back view of myself from a distance! hmm

Or, I manage to maintain a realistic visualisation of all of - oh I don't know - 5 seconds. Can you see how well this works for me? grin

Tbh, I don't try very hard any more. I already have an unrealistic view of what I look like, in that I forget how hefty I am and therefore conveniently forget that it is important to lose weight. I don't really need to be deluding myself any more about how fabulous I look! I do see what it is trying to achieve but I am not sure it is working for me. As with so many things though, I am probably looking at it all wrong!

Kinky - hope the week passes in a flash and the observation goes well. Who is doing it? The head or the LEA or heaven forbid, Ofsted? The big thing at our school (I am a governor) is apparently that the teachers stick to their lesson plans too rigidlyconfused. They tell us they have to have a plan but know when not to stick to it. All this differentiation and planning and behaviour management and all the other stuff you have to juggle as teachers leaves me a bit shock. Rather you than me and a big thanks to teachers in general. Good luck!

Solo, I hope the wardrobe dilemma sorts itself. Can you get the sewing machine out and do a bit of improvising and adapting? Or maybe fashion a shawl or something? Not that I could. I am rubbish at dressmaking. I am very grateful that DS1 isn't in the least bit interested in clothes and DS2 could just about make do with hand me downs. I don't think I would have been a nice mum and given up my brithday vouchers but on the other hand the little darlings can't help growing, can they? With the summer holidays looming, they need more than one set of clothes. Rock and a hard place I would say. Shame they can't go naked really. smile

Sainsburys were having a massive clear out of the clothes section last time I was in there - half the rakes were empty. I am not sure if it is to make way for the sales stuff or the new season stuff but something was going on. Maybe you could pick up a nice top or a skirt in there very cheaply? I bet you could get something pretty for less than £10 and hopefully that might leave you with something as a stand by for the food. It is worth a look.

Oops x post with Ali and ppeat whilst I was burbling on.

Hello ppeat. Nice to see you

Ali sad It is one of those bittersweet things, finishing nursery or any stage of schooling. I blub too. Shame this morning's early sun has gone and you can't leave your sunglasses on! Very useful in the summer term (allegedly hmm) but not so great when you want have a quiet sob over the Christmas nativity play. smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 18-Jul-12 13:54:30

BBB I know sad I have got to go and pick him up in an hour, I am welling up already at the thought of it. What a wuss! grin

I am like BB I tried that visualisation and I cannot help but visualise myself the day I met DH - 12 years ago! I was a size 10 then and the weight has gone on since then (though most of it in the last 7 years since having kids) - I was certainly happy with how I looked then but equally certainly I am never going to look like that again even if I weighed the same! Biscuits I also struggle with "think of a time you were totally calm and in control" - it's not that I am a stress head at all nor do I feel out of control especially (obviously I am with food, but I am not in a constant state of panic or anything) its just that I don't think I've thought "Oh I feel all calm now"... happy yes, but calm is not something I have a concious memory of, I think because feeling calm and in control is an absence thing - absence of anxiety, and you don't notice it? Or is that just me?

Ali good luck with the tears! Your DS must be the same age as mine, if he were in the UK he'd be due to start school in September, but as we are in Germany he still has 2 more years at Kindergarten! DD got "thrown out" of Kindergarten last year (it's a ritual, not being excluded ;) They throw the leavers into the arms of their parents on the last day) and there were loads of crying parents!

What is wrong with me? I've just practically forced myself to eat biscuits until I feel sick? hmmconfused

Why am I so intent on ruining myself? I'm actually getting quite worried about my insistence on derailing myself sad

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 18-Jul-12 15:31:05

Biscuits sad hang in there, it does get easier smile

I managed not to sob too much grin EnglishWoman - DS1 is not quite 4, his birthday is on Monday, so he will be very young in his year when he starts school!

Blimimi Ali not quite 4! No wonder you felt emotional! My DS1 will be 5 in Sept so would be one of the eldest if he were in the UK. Not quite 4 is too little!! DD was (still is) the youngest child in her school year - she started school 6 days before her 6th birthday! DS1 could start 5 days before his 6th birthday (30th Sept is the euivalent of 31st August as a cut off date here, but there is flexibility for children born between June and Sept to start school or not to) we are keeping DS1 back a year - almost all parents keep their summer born boys back, they are considered too young to start school at not quite or only just 6!! (School is quite different here though!)

Blimimi = blimey confused

biscuits I have had to stop myself getting the nutella jar down and eating a spoon of it, honestly I think I do it 2 or 3 times every day, for no reason, and more when I'm low level stressed! I realised I was hiding empty jars in the recycling, it was one of the things that made me realise I had to do something. Don't dwell on it, just start again as of now!

Oh I've been in the nutella jar too blush. I seem to be constantly 'starting again'.

Still, at least I'm conscious that I'm binging - before I wouldn't have even blinked an eye at it.

What would Paul say if he were here?

I suspect he'd say something along the lines of 'draw a line and start over, no point being yourself up'

Although I suspect this is partly my problem - that I can always repent and start again so there's 'always tomorrow' blushsad

So how do I get past this? No one else can do it for me. Only I make myself eat it and only I can stop it. So it stops. I will follow the rules. I will.

I still suck from gorging biscuits - must remember this v unpleasant feeling and use it to discourage myself tomorrow. I suppose it's proof that the rules work - I feel sick when I don't follow them!

Sorry for being so mememe blush. An reading about you all but struggling to find time to post. Will try to use my biscuit binging time to post in the future grin

Biscuits could it be worth trying to work out what triggers the eating when you aren't hungry? I know my triggers are often related to procrastinating over something I don't want to do (whether its making a phone call in German or just cleaning the kitchen) or "hiding" if the kids are being demanding - the thing about stuffing something in your mouth is it only takes 30 seconds (or however long you can get away with carrying on) and you can do it almost whatever else is going on - you can't go for a bath when you're looking after your young children but can nip in the kitchen and scoff 4 biscuits you aren't even slightly hungry for, and even if you have the house to yourself it feels self indulgent to have a nap or go out for a walk when you should be cleaning, so I put it off by eating instead... I am trying to get my head around this and actively choose the other options, but I am only just starting and it is hard to break the automated response and twisted subconscious logic! I also eat when I am tired even though I know I am hungry not tired - harder to sort out as sleeping isn't always an option!

Just a ramble there, I know I will self sabotage like you - I bet most people do every so often, I guess it is a cycle to be broken and progress to find we are doing it less often, rather than expecting to suddenly be able to stop.

I have the latest Paul book and it has an apparently (according to the forward) new chapter on self sabotage, do you have that edition?

ppeatfruit Wed 18-Jul-12 17:58:14

Yes you really will biscuits smile welcome BTW you seem to be getting on well but you must also think of yr. self image and be positive (there's no room for self hatred on this thread!!)

We're all lovely only we've made some bad food choices and (from reading yr. childhood experiences) have to change ingrained habits instilled by well intentioned but misguided parents which, as P.M. says, are stronger than steel, so will take time and patience to beat.

englishlady welcome to you as well it's nice there's another expat on this thread (well i'm not a proper expat we live between fr. and Blighty). the german ed.system I've heard is not as flexible as ours for the older D.C.s but seems more sensible for the L.O.s.

Yes - I can relate to that entirely. Especially the looking-after-children-sneaking-into-the-kitchen-to-stuff-biscuits-in! And yes, it's all about breaking the habits. In my clear thinking moments I am trying to think that when I get these urges I should do something proactive and go and perhaps start a new activity with one of the DSs. Sounds virtuous and will be a great win win if I can pull it off grin.

And yes, I'm literally just about to read the self sabotage chapter now while bf DS2 smile

Clever clever!

I love the idea that the self sabotage thing is really just trying to keep me safe! For me the self sabotage is based around 'if I don't try, I can't fail (and thus feel bad)'. It throws a whole different light on it if I think this is just my inner self trying to stop me from feeling sad of it doesn't work out!

I think it will help me to be a bit braver and tell my inner self it's ok because I won't fail smile. I might mention that I'm gorgeous while I'm chatting with my inner self winksmile

We've had several conversations on self sabotage over various the various Pauling threads, Biscuits - it does seem a bit of a revelation for many of us even though that doesn't necessarily make it any easier to deal with.

I know I have been doing it since I was a teenager only with me it was school and exams. I screwed up my A levels the first time round because I just didn't put the work in. I wasn't off misbehaving or anything like that, I just simply messed around at my desk and didn't put in the time. Even back then I remember thinking, well, at least if I fail I know why and of course I did do badly but part of me felt better that it wasn't because I was stupid, it was because I didn't work. In that sense it is self protection. Better to be lazy, which you can sort out, than to be thick, which you can't. Anyway, it messed with my head for a good many years and just when I thought it wasn't an issue, it rears its ugly head when I realise I am probably only fat because I don't actually let myself be thin. <sigh>

Knowing that doesn't make it alright though does it? Probably the visualisations are way of letting yourself be thin and realising that isn't bad, I don't know. All very confusing if you think about too much.confused smile

HaveALittleFaith Wed 18-Jul-12 21:28:45

I agree recognising it is one thing and challenging it is another. Sometimes I find food wise it helps not to have 'my' triggers in the house - like if you have my husband kids they may want biscuits but try not to have your absolute, can't put them down favourites. Might be worth trying the tapping technique biscuits. I'm certainly terrible for 'sneaking' food - probably from a childhood of being on diets. Since the Paul rules have become firmer in my mind the instinct to do that has lessened.

Another 5k walk tonight with my sister - she was jogging and I was trotting along trying to keep up! grin

ppeatfruit Thu 19-Jul-12 08:59:17

Also when you get those urges biscuits the 'tapping technique' when done properly really does work smile Morning everyone smile!

I haven't got to the self sabotage chapter yet, that sounds interesting!

I listened to the CD all the way through for the first time today, it is impossible at home but I managed it in the gym quiet room after my workout... I say I listened, but I only remember the warning at the beginning not to listen while driving or operating heavy machinery - I guess I fell asleep right at the start grin I did wake up to the sound of him counting to 3 at the very end though! Good job or I'd never have been home for the end of DD's school day at lunch time! I know it says in the book it will still work if you fall asleep, but I am dubious esp as I must have fallen asleep right at the start - I remember nothing! I am very long term sleep deprived due to my 15 month old who has only ever slept through a handful of nights in his life (I do all the night duties) and if I lie down or even sit back knowing the kids are all being looked after, I fall asleep - can't even remember or imagine what it's like to "not be able to get to sleep" - my body automatically grabs any sleep it can if I lie down! Wonder if I will manage to stay awake next time, as I have still no idea what the CD is about!

ppeatfruit Thu 19-Jul-12 14:26:15

They do say that sleep learning is possible smile .One of the worst things is trying to control your eating when you're sleep deprived and there is a phsiological reason for it; because when tired your body doesn't secrete the 'stop when you're full' hormone so you're trying to P.M. with one hand tied behind yr. back.It CAN be done but it is more difficult smile

pp I have heard a few times that "you can't lose weight unless you're getting enough sleep" but never heard an actual concrete reason for it, was hoping it was an old wives tale. It is true I can't tell when I am full (though I am not sure I ever could - when I have been slim in my life it has not been due to eating to appetite, but to eating very little). At least if the "fullness" hormone is not secreted when sleep deprived it is more likely that weight loss is possible than if your metabolism slowing right down when very tired or something!

ppeatfruit Thu 19-Jul-12 16:32:51

Just a few thoughts on sleeping; have you tried running yr L.O. to sleep? you know getting him to have so much exercise that he literally drops with exhaustion tiredness and then you can do the same and the 2 of you get some sleep. And or giving him a large supper at bedtime I found that used to keep my L.Os asleep all night. But not fruit AFtER the meal 'cos it doesn't digest well and maybe give him tummy ache.

"eating very little" If you do that too much you put ON weight according to P.M. because your body goes into starvation mode and hangs on to every bit of carb and fat you eat when you DO eat! Hence the problems with low calorie diets when they finish and people return to 'normal' eating!!

Grrrrr. MN went off line and I lost a post........again!!!! angry

Try again!

Englishwoman - it is most likely you weren't asleep at all. Listening to the CD is a bit like being sedated. You can respond to others and cooperate with requests up to a point but you aren't aware of it. I have had sedation when I have had dental work done and the dentists tell me that I can open my mouth when told to etc, and listening to the CD is the same thing. If you were asleep you probably wouldn't have responded to being told to come round. I know if I listen at night sometimes I don't hear it and then I don't wake up until morning. I bet you weren't as woozy as if you were asleep either. It is very weird how it messes with your head but that is hypnotism for you.smile

As for the research on sleep this sums it up pretty well. There is enough evidence to suggest causation but not enough, yet, to prove it. It is a difficult experiement to construct because of all the variables but I if I were a gambler, I would bet that there is a real link. I also reckon that the reason a lot of women put on weight in pregnancy and after the baby is born is because of lack of sleep, not just eating too much. I also don't think that my sleep has ever recovered from having babies and even now that the boys are 12(tomorrowshock) and 8 I still hear them if they move about in the night or go to the loo. I don't ever sleep 7 hours solid any more, not that I am even in bed that long but when I am, I wake up all the time. It isn't good.

pp thanks for the ideas smile I know that about eating very little not working long term - I lost weight at 18 when I spend 9 months backpacking around Asia - I never got food poisoning or anything (though for some twisted reason my mother told people that was how I'd got slim hmm ) but I ate a lot less - usually 1 or 2 meals a day and not a lot between - I was busy and happy and also saving money to stay away as long as possible, which were the reasons for not eating much rather that any deliberate attempt to diet. I kept it off at uni by swimming a lot and living almost exclusively on jacket potatoes with beans and pasta with tinned tomatoes (and a lot of wine...) although I put about a stone back on due to exams and essay deadlines causing me to eat chocolate grin After uni I lived in Japan, found it easy not to over eat, when I moved back to the UK and lived alone in London I found everyone was REALLY thin, so I joined a gym and lived on soup, frozen peas and white wine - interspersed with a few full restaurant meals a week! In my lunch hour I used to window stop and try things on to stop myself eating...

I piled weight on again when I had some insane notion that I wanted to career change and became a secondary school teacher - dumb idea, not just because I started piling on weight due to stress. I had also moved in with now DH which was also a factor.

Weight issues weren't new though - my mother had always convinced me I was "the chunky one, like me, you'll have to watch what you eat" and my next sister "the slim one, like your dad" - only recently I saw childhood photos of me and realised I was nothing of the sort - broader in the shoulder than my sister but slim until I reached my teens.

I know the not eating much was in no way sustainable, and it was unique to a few years in my late teens and 20s! The weight has been going back on ever since, but I feel like it was always there waiting to come back!

DC3 is ridiculously active already - he is a climber and climbs everything, all the time (dancing on the dining table, climbing onto DD's top bunk) he has just spent an hour and a half at DC2's football training session running about and kicking a ball (he can dribble very well for not quite 15 months ;) ) When he gets a little bit bigger I'll be able to take him for walks with him walking, which helped a lot when the others were this age, but atm he is too all over the place and intent on going down people's drives or into the road, and it's too frustrating for him being stopped - he doesn't get just walking down the pavement/ cycle path yet, but it will come in a few months I expect! He goes down fine at bedtime (is asleep now) it's just that he starts waking any-time from about 9pm, and then wakes anything from twice a night to every hour, til he's up for the day at 5am.

Oops got to get the big 2 to bed, lost track of time, 7.15 here, shocking!

BB you could be onto something - I hope not sleeping doesn't utterly sabotage weight loss as there is not a lot I can do about it, esp if, as in your experience, the sleep is never going to get back to normal!

HaveALittleFaith Thu 19-Jul-12 20:43:31

I never know if I'm asleep or not! I never think I am. But I wake up when he starts saying wake up and counts down from 10 even when I do it as I go to bed. I figure if my brain is sensitive enough to respond to him saying wake up it must have taken in some other stuff too!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 19-Jul-12 21:17:43

EnglishWoman - sympathies on the non-sleeping child. My 16 month old has slept through the night maybe 2 or 3 times in his life. He will sleep for about 7-8 hours once settled, but he has had to be fed or rocked to sleep every night for his whole life which really eats into our evening! He sounds very like your boy, totally full on, climbs on everything and everyone and is totally fearless.
DS1 was the one who woke every 2 hours until he suddenly started sleeping through at 20 months old. Thank god he did else I might have cracked!

Better day again today. I've been listening to the CD before bed again the last few nights, and even though I fall asleep almost straight away I am sure it is going in.

Morning everyone (well according to DC3 it has been for a while) smile

Faith I definitely felt that I was asleep, I worried that I had been snoring or something, as there was somebody else in the room when I "woke" who hadn't been there when I shut my eyes... We'll see what happens next time I guess!

Ali your 16 month old does sound similar to my youngest, though I wish mine would sleep a 7 hour stretch! The daytime climbing etc. sounds the same though! Hope your littlest gets to grip with falling asleep on his own soon - does it take ages? (I cuddle mine to sleep too but it only usually takes 15 minutes max, so not a problem, it's the waking once down for the night that's our problem... I tell myself that once he can talk properly we'll sort it out if it's still bad by then´- my older 2 don't get up in the night unless they are ill or have the occassional bad dream phase).

Hope Friday goes well for everyone - I have to have a housework morning this morning as I've been neglecting it for the gym in the mornings, and afternoons are trickier to "get stuff done" with all 3 kids home! Can't do everything and it shows!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 20-Jul-12 07:31:24

Englishwoman I know that feeling, not enough time for it all! I had to make DS1's birthday cake last night so there was no time for exercise. Rather ambitiously I decided to make an Octopod cake hmm The cake is made, just need to ice the thing now which is not going to be easy!

It can take up to an hour to settle DS2 at night, and he weighs a ton!

Oooh like the sound of your cake Ali - will you treat us to some pics?

I'm considering attempting a fireman Sam / fire engine one for ds1. I just briefly considered octonauts when you mentioned that but having googled, it looks too hard! blush

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 20-Jul-12 08:05:25

Yes I will upload a pic, if it is successful! I have done a normal round cake, and then made mini-sponges in my muffin tin to be the pods. Icing is going to be a nightmare...

ppeatfruit Fri 20-Jul-12 09:29:33

Morning all non sleepers and cake makers!smile has anyone heard of oil pulling? cos' i sleep REALLY well since doing it in the morning (google it, I'm no good with links!) It's just swishing an oil of your choice (I use almond oil) round yr mouth for 10 mins while showering or whatever just after getting up. Then you spit out out down the loo and clean yr teeth it makes your teeth soo clean and white as well!!Then drink 2 glasses of filtered water.

Solo Fri 20-Jul-12 10:21:12

I am still here! just very busy. Catch you all soon I hope smile

ppeatfruit Fri 20-Jul-12 10:23:43

Are you off on yr. holyers Sols? how are you keeping?

Solo Fri 20-Jul-12 10:38:44

No, not yet a while pp but I'm trying my best to sort my house out and I have to source some roses to make pew decorations for my friends son's wedding next week and make them. And I'm knackered!

Ali that cake sounds brilliant - I stick to round or tray cakes with decoration since I made a right pigs ear of a Thomas the tank engine for DS1's 2nd - not only was the cake a bit of a mess (despite my home made swiss roll turning out surprisingly well - you can't buy them ready made here) but not only that kids here won't eat blue icing... I made DD a mermaid on a rock in a blue sea the same year, for her 4th, and her friends asked if the blue icing was poison and would only eat the choc icing on the rock! I have to make a cake this afternoon for DD's end of season football training party (like you do...) but I have decided to do fairly cakes in football illustrated muffin cases instead - easier to get right I think, especially given culturally different expectations of cake!

pp I don't think I can get DS3 to swish oil around his mouth - don't think he'll get the concept at 15 months - I sleep fine given a chance, fall asleep in seconds, sleep through anything, any light, noise etc. except the sound of a crying/ shouting toddler!

Good luck with the pew decorations sol - how did you get roped into that? I guess it must be a talent you are known for among your friends, or are/ were you a florist?

Time to get DS1 from Kindergarten now, have had DD home today as well as she successfully convinced me she was ill, but it became clear she was faking so I made her help with the housework and attempt a bit of babysitting of her little brother once he woke from his brief nap shock (actually she rather enjoyed it and kept making me admire every teeny thing she did), still I didn't get the mountain of clean washing put away, but at least got downstairs clean and tidy, for as long as that lasts - DD and DS2 have already somewhat trashed it...

Solo Fri 20-Jul-12 15:07:26

My friend just asked me...I may have mentioned some years ago that I make silk bridal stuff ~ y'know, bouquets, head dresses, posies and the like, but I can't think why I would've done as the last wedding I did was in 2004 and the woman I did them for took the right royal p out of me angry and it put me off.
I taught myself and charge(d) little money. People just took the mick though and I didn't have the energy for them anymore.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 20-Jul-12 18:57:23

Cake done! It has taken me all day, actually all day. I haven't sat down and I've hardly eaten!
However I am pretty pleased with it, and glad not to be up messing about with it at 11pm grin

Good effort Ali - pictures.... grin

~waves to everyone else>

Not much to post about - not much going on here. DH going to start reading PMK tonight - should be interesting.... He's dubious to say the least hmm

ppeatfruit Sat 21-Jul-12 14:20:12

Congrats on the cake Alismile. Solo yr. silk flowers sound nice there's a lot of ignorant people around just ignore them! I hope your pew dex go well.

Biscuits If yr.dh is anything like mine he's a cynic and HE'S the one with a lot more weight to loose than me plus health issues which would be better if he lost his belly! Even after I lost the 3 stone he doesn't take much notice, no that's not completely fair, he does sometimes it just depends on his mood! I have a feeling looking at a lot of men; English and french that they would like to have the babies they look 6 months or more preg. all the time anyway!!

Solo Sat 21-Jul-12 17:10:23

I will post some pics some time pp. They were gorgeous if I do say so myself!

friendly7 Sat 21-Jul-12 18:06:58

Happy weekend girls. Good luck to us all with all the temptations!!!

Hello ladies.

I surprised myself this morning by having lost a tiny bit more weight this last week or two. Not sure exactly how much but I was surprised as I shouldn't really have weighed this morning. It was DS1's birthday yesterday and we went out to dinner. I had lots of lovely things but it doesn't seem to have done any damage.

Mind you I was up half the night with DS2 who couldn't sleep, going up and down the stairs, as he spent the whole night pestering me about it. He ended up with me in the spare room windows open/shut, duvet pull up/pushed down, various stages of undress until about 3am when after the second attempt, DS1's relaxation CD finally did the trick. The little bugger darling was awake again at 7.45am <<sigh>> I suppose I should feel a bit sorry for him as he banged his ankle at school yesterday and it is quite swollen. It looks sprained so I strapped it up. The way he was rolling around the bed, like an incapacitated old man, perhaps it hurt more than I gave him credit for. On the other hand he is a drama queen so if it was hurting I would know about it. He is still hobbling today.

Hope it improves for the rest of the summer hols!

Alibaba - your cake sounds impressive. I hope your DS has a lovely time on his birthday. And you too after all that effort!

I made DS1 a couple of birthday cakes. The first one was a pirate ship. It looks like the Marie Celeste and was keeling to the left rather alarmingly. Tasted great though and DS liked it. The next year I made a castle. However, it had shop bought towers (swiss rolls) and I think, some of the icing. It looked OKish (alright, it looked like it had been subject to a long siege or had Sleeping Beauty locked up in it for 100 years and was very neglected) but it didn't taste as nice as the ship. Needless to say we are all happier if my friends Mr Marks and Mr Spencer make them these days. Much less hassle. smile

Solo - that is horrible about the woman taking the p out of you over the flowers. Do you think she was trying to get out of paying? Why would you be so rude about something you were using in your wedding? If she didn't like them, fair enough, don't use them. But for them to be good enough to use and then to be rude. I don't get it. I bet you did a lovely job. smile

HaveALittleFaith Sat 21-Jul-12 20:14:01

solo I had silk flowers for my wedding bouquet and bridesmaids. I have awful hay fever and didn't want to suffer at the wedding. It also meant I could get the exact colour purple for the roses that I wanted! And we could all keep them afterwards smile

Good effort BBB! My weight is unclear since AF came this morning. Didn't expect to be diffed this month but still not a pleasant experience! So I'm water retaining. I think I'll wait til next Saturday to weigh myself. I'm really pleased to say I totted up all my walks in the last week and it adds up to nearly 30k!

ppeatfruit Sun 22-Jul-12 09:39:39

Well done BBB! IKWYM about yr friends Mr. M&S we liked their dark chocolate fudge cake (when I used to eat shop bought cakes!). Morning all BTW smile anyone going away soon?

Solo Sun 22-Jul-12 14:47:43

Hi all! I listened to one disc today! I was very surprised to hear 2 little tales he tells on it as I guess I've always been asleep by the time it reached that point before! grin.

Well, she was really happy with the bouquets and head dresses, she used them and then told me she'd send a cheque after return from honeymoon in The Maldives angry, she had a gorgeous car, posh golf club reception and all made to measure dresses for 4 adult bm's one child and a paige, plus her own. It was a no expense spared occasion except for the flowers. Anyway, I had to keep emailing her for the balance of £250 and the entire and total cost including postage of the head dresses before hand was £400. I delivered her bouquets myself to Wales and stayed 2 nights in b&b so actually, I made about £60 after all expenses...she eventually paid me telling me that she had to borrow the money from her mum. I still wonder if the other services allowed to to pay afterwards!
So you can see why I was put off sad

ppeatfruit Sun 22-Jul-12 15:02:45

hmm solo Money and friendship can be difficult things. I fell out with one of my oldest friends 'cos she assumed dd2 was working for her for nothing (it was in town and DD worked hard without even expenses so I had to ask my fr. for money for her which was paid 6 months later after me asking 3 times it's horrible having to ask isn't it?We don't speak now sadly. sad

HaveALittleFaith Sun 22-Jul-12 15:04:47

solo that's awful! I'd expect to pay before receiving them to be honest - I did with mine!

I'm going away next Saturday to Weymouth - got tickets for Olympic tickets smile I'm hoping the weather with stay like this!

Solo Sun 22-Jul-12 15:07:10

It isn't a good mix is it?
I hadn't ever met her in person before, so I suppose I was taking a chance anyway, but both she and her man were in extremely well paid jobs as she kept telling me. She knew my financial situation because of the 'place' we met...she was very good at telling me how much she and he earned! I stopped communicating with her too; I'm just not interested in users!

Solo Sun 22-Jul-12 15:09:45

HALF so would I! I am never one to owe people money; I hate it!

Weymouth is lovely! smile

HaveALittleFaith Sun 22-Jul-12 15:15:34

My mum would describe people like that as 'kippers and curtains'. Brag about how minted they are - show off in some ways, really tight in others!

Yes we went to Weymouth when we were tiny (I have some memories), last time I was 5! And we're going back to the same Haven we went to then smile going with my sister, BIL and DNephew so it should be fun!

I'm quite pleased with my activity today - persuaded DH to come for a 5.6k walk and I've done an hour's gardening! No inactivity here!

ppeatfruit Sun 22-Jul-12 15:30:34

My ex friend is rolling in it; it was her own fashion P.R. company; it's always the ones with money who are the worst isn't it? as yr. mum says havea Or as my MIL used to say " All fur coat and no knickers"!!!

have a a lovely time smile

Solo Sun 22-Jul-12 16:01:05

grin loving those sayings!! they give me some wonderful in head scenes!!

HaveALittleFaith Sun 22-Jul-12 18:09:01

Mmm we have bought a new BBQ, it's currently warming up for steak skewers (sp?!) and jackets. I chopped it all up though and DH turned round and asked if I could stick his steak back together confused He only wanted the veg on the skewer! I've done a steak only one for him instead! grin

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Jul-12 08:46:31

Morning all! smile

friendly7 Mon 23-Jul-12 20:44:20

Evening all smile

HaveALittleFaith Mon 23-Jul-12 21:44:31

Hiya!

I could only eat half my tea tonight, darn Paul! I felt starving when I got home, but I drank two glasses of water and couldn't eat my tea! I've done a 6k walk tonight so I'm quite pleased.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 23-Jul-12 22:59:50

DS1's birthday today, so after 2 parties at the weekend we all went to Peppa Pig world. It was boiling and I am exhausted but the boys had a brilliant time grin
I have pauled dreadfully and eaten far too much cake and other assorted crap. Back to it tomorrow, I am about to listen to the CD now.

ppeatfruit Tue 24-Jul-12 07:31:07

I thought this thread might be quieter in the holidays but it seems that havea is doing REALLY well and has cracked it! Ali it's so easy to just go back on it isn't it? sounds like you had a great time grin

I had put on 2 kilos before going to England but power walking in the rain !! lost me 1 and a half and am carrying on with Paul back here ooer missus grin gardening, painting \decorating etc.

I've been a bit rubbish with my Pauling and still haven't listened to the cd blush. I'd been doing well and rarely eating all my dinner because I would feel full but I totally forgot last night and just wasn't concentrating. Before I knew it it was all gone and then when I went to bed my tummy was all hurty full (although it wasn't really that big a portion compared to some of my dinners!)

Sounds like lots of you are doing really well though.

Peppa Pig world sounds great - shames it's so far down south confused

ppeatfruit Tue 24-Jul-12 12:38:56

Biscuits I remember my mum saying that our gut is the actual size of a large grapefruit! So if you think about it it can't take a lot of food without stretching too far!!shock.

HaveALittleFaith Tue 24-Jul-12 17:14:28

Sounds like you had fun Ali! Like you say, back on it today smile

Thanks for the support ppeat! I'm feeling very positive about it all although a bit worried about how I'll do on holiday. At least it's not a 'diet' though so I can still eat what I like, will just try to avoid mindless snacking and overeating.

Have could you try listening to the cd a few times before you go to make you as good as possible at it before you go? And then as you say have what you want but remember to eat slowly and stop web you're full. At least on hols you probably eat out more (?) so no losing concentration while watching tv like I did last night blush

And most importantly have a fab holiday! Are you off to somewhere exotic?

HaveALittleFaith Tue 24-Jul-12 17:22:57

Yes very exotic hmm ....Weymouth! grin we're taking the campervan and will mostly be self catering so actually it shouldn't be too difficult.
We are considering an AI holiday around October but it'll depend when my op is and how soon after I can fly. I'll have the CD on my phone so I'll probably try to have half an hour to myself to listen to it.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 24-Jul-12 18:58:15

Faith - wave as you pass us on the M3! grin And, please can I have a little of your mojo? I haven't done that well today, although I did go for a longish walk with the boys - pushing a 26lb child up a hill in a buggy is hard work! We have too many treats and snacks still left around from the weekend. Ho hum.

Biscuits we are lucky it is so close, it only took us half an hour to get there yesterday morning. They do deals of a two-day ticket for the whole park and there are lots of good value local hotels so maybe for a weekend sometime?

buzzgirly Tue 24-Jul-12 20:20:18

Hello everyone

I have just started the Paul McKenna book after lots of attempts at weight watchers, slimming world etc. I never manage to keep it up. I do feel that I have an unhealthy relationship with food, eat for boredom, being upset etc.

I want to lose 2 stone and change my lifestyle, really want to improve my health too. How is everyone finding it? Does it take a while to get into it?. I will try to catch up with the thread.

ppeatfruit Tue 24-Jul-12 22:17:21

You're in the right place now buzzgirl A great big welcome from all us paulettes!!! smile grin i've lost nearly 3 stone put a bit back on but it's coming off again! I'm off to bed now speak in the morning.

HaveALittleFaith Tue 24-Jul-12 22:47:26

Welcome buzzgirly! I've done WW, 'eating gealthily' aka starving myself amongst other things and finally found Pauling at New Year. I had lost a stone but gained quite a bit when ill. Currently on the way back down! I find it simple in concept, challenging to apply at times. Old habits die hard. I feel like its been clicking for me lately. For me, exercising is key, even if it's just a stroll round my local area. Also I try to have snacks that are 'heslthy' like nuts, carrot sticks etc so I don't automatically reach for the chocolate. Listening to the CD really reinforces it. You hear that biscuits? Whack it on next oppportunity you get.

Didn't manage a walk tonight because the pain has been quite bad confused and I've felt really hungry! So I ate! I'll see how it goes. Well done for the walk pushing the 2 stone little 'un Ali!

Hi Buzzgirly - welcome indeed. I'm new to this too but liking the concept. It seems sensible and logical to me, although as Have says a bit challenging to apply - mainly the 'old habits die hard' thing!

I really must put this cd on, but I struggle to find a time I can relax into it. I think bedtime would be best but ds2 still sleeps in our room so don't want to disturb him. Still, in about 6 weeks he'll be six months so I can evict put him into his own room smile

ppeatfruit can I ask how Longmont has taken to lose the 3 stone? I think that is an inspiring tale to tell (as I have 3 stone to lose overall and it seems an insurmountable task at times!) smile

Hope everyone else is good smile

Oh, and Have the holiday sounds ace. We mostly have uk holidays too scared / tight to fly with children and I love it. I just love holidays though so don't really care where it is. So rare to get time with busy busy DH that I wouldn't care if we we're at home tbh except he'd end up working grin. We're going to center parcs this year and I literally can't wait to get away. Not for another 8 weeks though zzzzzzzzzz

Sorry for drip feeding my posts this morning blush. I'm blaming it on the early start smile

Have hope your op date comes through soon. Can I ask what op it is? Tell me to butt out if I'm being too nosey or you'd rather not say smile

In any event I hope you get the date soon and it goes well - and naturally that you get yourself up the duff immediately afterwards smile

DS2 woke 90 mins earlier than usual - think its the hot weather, but now I've fed him I think I'm going to get dressed and have a cup of tea do some cleaning before ds1 rolls out of bed.....

HaveALittleFaith Wed 25-Jul-12 07:03:18

Morning biscuits! My op is no secret - I had abdo pain in March, originally treated as a UTI but after a long time I've been diagnosed with a urinary tract blockage so I need a cystoscopy (stick a camera up there to have a look and hopefully clear the blockage). Op date is likely to be 20th September.

The CD is quiet, gentle and soothing so I doubt it would disturb your DS!

Oooh hope that sorts it all out for you Have - all that abdo pain must have been horrid. Ds2 had one of those cysto-whatsits the other week (to look for bladder reflux as he has one kidney bigger than the other). I don't pity the person trying to get the catheter up the willy of a 3 month old confused. I did pity ds2 though sad. Overall though it wasn't a bad procedure other than them struggling to get the catheter in so he got a bit flustered with them keep tugging about down there. Then they got someone else along and he did it straight away - I don't think it hurt him (because he didn't cry) but his little face when it went in shock.

Fingers crossed it works for you though and sorts out any blockages. Would it clear a blockage out if the liquid is going bladder-bound? Or do the think if there is a blockage they could just dislodge it so it could make its own way out? <clueless emoticon>

Actually, just reread your post, DS didn't have a camera up there so it wasn't a cystoscopy, it was a cystogram I think - like a HSG for the bladder smile

ppeatfruit Wed 25-Jul-12 09:00:39

Morning smile biscuits it took roughly (I don't weigh that much) a year I spose. I go more by my clothes so went from a vanity sized 14 to vanity sized 10 and am trying to maintain. I agree with havea about the importance of exercise (any type just one you enjoy P.M. says no pain, no pain and IMO that is SOOO sensible 'cos you want to continue doing what you like!)

NappyShedSal Wed 25-Jul-12 13:02:56

Hello Ladies, I am going to join you. I bought the book about 2 years ago and read it but that's all. I really don't think I will be able to listen the CD every day - is that essential?

What is essential is that I lose weight. Three years ago I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and for a year I was doing a little bit of exercise and taking the tablets. Then my mum got a brain tumour and I spent her last month with her constantly and stopped my tablets and basically have been in denial ever since. Two weeks ago I had an ingrowing toenail that got infected and this spurred me to go and see the diabetic nurse again. Basically my blood sugar levels are very high and too high for them to contemplate sorting out my toe. So I need to start taking the tablets (started today), get my blood sugar levels down and lose weight.

So I shall aim to check in regularly. I did resist anything between breakfast and lunch today so that's a good start.

ppeatfruit Wed 25-Jul-12 13:21:02

Welcome Nappyshed i don't want to start by getting bossy but the WORST THING you can do is to 'resist' food IF YOU"RE HUNGRY (you'll get it eventually!) Listening to the CD is essential if you need the help and to start you off IIMO it's a good idea. There's a book and DVDs as well of course see the O.P.

NappyShedSal Wed 25-Jul-12 13:38:16

I did resist it as I wasn't actually hungry!

ppeatfruit Wed 25-Jul-12 14:42:55

A lot of people on here start not knowing what real hunger is so you're starting with an advantage! Do you have much to loose? DH was ALMOST type 2 diab. but he's managed to fight it with giving up wheat and pork products interestingly; the medics are very pleased with him.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 25-Jul-12 23:33:43

Biscuits your poor little boy! I always listen on headphones so as not to disturb anyone else - DS2 was in with us until he was 14 months grin

Welcome Sal smile You are in the right place here. I had gestational diabetes in my last pregnancy, and while it has gone it was the most almighty wakeup call.

Much better day today. Exercised and invented a new recipe for dinner. I do think part of my problem recently is that I have got into a food rut and I am soooo bored of eating the same things all the time!

ppeatfruit Thu 26-Jul-12 08:12:13

Although the problem with inventing new recipes is the having to taste them; I sometimes find I've 'tasted' them to oblivion IYSWIM!! Good morning all BTW smile

HaveALittleFaith Thu 26-Jul-12 08:23:51

Morning all!

biscuits mine is slightly different. They suspect I had a kidney stone which tried to move down and got stuck. They will give me a general anaesthetic, have a look with a camera and clear the blockage (the potential clearing is the reason for the general). Obviously I can wee with it but it's constantly uncomfortable, I'm on pain killers all the time. Occasionally it puts added pressure on my kidney so that hurts too (can't drink alcohol or fizzy pop!). Can't wait to get it fixed!

Welcome to Sal, you're definitely in the right place. In total I'd like to lose 3 stone but am focusing on the first stone to help with fertility issues in the first instance. I've found Pauling has really helped with my attitude towards food (been doing it 7 months now). On diets I was always 'cheating' but with Pauling I think I am finally finding a healthy balance smile for example, last night I was hungry when I got in and fancied a choc ice, so I had one! But I had a healthy dinner (lamb steaks with new potatoes) and went for a 6.5k walk later. I actually ran a bit! grin feeling good ladies, keep up the good work!

You poor thing Have - that sounds painful sad. Hope they get it sorted ASAP for you thanks

Do you think you've got better at Pauling over your 7 months or did you just 'get it' straight away?

Good job on the 6.5k walk/run - well done indeed smile

HaveALittleFaith Thu 26-Jul-12 09:24:26

Oh no I got better! It still peaks and flows. I did ok to start, total disaster after being in hospital (think eating my way through giant bags of popcorn with thinking about it). It's been about making it routine - listening to the CD, carefully shopping to buy yummy, healthy snacks - cant get enough strawberries ATM for example. I think it's only really clicked in the last two weeks since the gynae appointment being told I have to lose weight for my fertility. Last night I got half way and really wanted to stop so I asked myself do you want a baby? course the answers yes so I said to myself Keep going then! best motivator ever!
I'm telling myself 80/20 healthy food vs cheeky treats.
I also realised 'eat what you want' needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Like if I have chocolate in the house all the time I want it. If its not there and I'm hungry, I'll think of something else to have iyswim? I'm also planning my meals carefully - not obsessing with food but choosing stuff that'll fill me up. Before I'd have had 2 slices of toast for breakfast, now I have porridge with a banana or two poached eggs on one slice of toast. Keeps me fuller longer!

ppeatfruit Thu 26-Jul-12 12:39:41

Yes exactly havea litle It's the one rule that is a bit weird 'cos there certainly are some foods that are BAD for me and i haven't eaten them for many years it's 2nd nature.P.M. says that people eat healthily if they can have exactly what they want but there's soo much shxx everywhere that people get addicted to it. E.G. Wheat IS actually addictive see Wheat belly by William Davis M.D.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 26-Jul-12 15:56:53

Hello all smile

ppeat - it was a 'this should be nice together shove it in the oven for an hour' one. So tasting impossible until the moment of truth grin

I am feeling happier today because my new trousers that I got in Sainsbury's a couple of days ago now fit beautifully when I couldn't do them up 48 hours ago! Some kind of strange bloating, AF is due any time...

I took the boys fruit picking this morning, ideas of what to do with a raspberry glut most appreciated grin

biscuits - it is definitely something that you learn, Pauling. I think that as with all renewed enthusiasm for weight loss/lifestyle change, there is an initial phase where some people find it very easy to focus and get really good results. Then it is a question of it becoming part of everyday life, which isn't so easy IME and comes easier at some times than others.
I struggle in the afternoons. The children (just 4 and 16 months) are getting fractious, hungry, tired, fighty and all the rest of it.
I have just this minute put DS2 in his cot with a book despite his protests because I desperately need 10 minutes just to sit down with a cup of tea without being clambered on, having my knee chewed, toes bitten, tea swiped, laptop attacked - you get the picture grin

Anyone else find that the heat means that you can't tell whether you are hungry or not?

HaveALittleFaith Thu 26-Jul-12 18:07:24

Yes Ali. I have exactly the same. Sometimes I go for ages without food when it's hot and then feel wobbly for having low blood sugar. I try to drink when I think I'm hungry. Monday night I thought I was starving, drank a couple of glasses of water and hardly ate any dinner.

buzzgirly Thu 26-Jul-12 21:38:18

Hi everyone, thanks for the welcome. This is the first chance ive had to get back to the thread.

ppeafruit wow 3 stones that is fantastic!

havealittlefaithand biscuits thanks also for the welcome. I know what you mean about breaking old habits, I ate 3 slices of pizza without even thinking about it earlier. It just went out the window.

And this will probably sound stupid but I don't seem to feel full! Yesterday I was eating dinner, putting forks down etc. and I still managed to clear my plate. Don't think I've quite got the hang of it yet.

Also I haven't listened to cd after realising that we don't actually have a cd player in the house!

buzz - I've imported it into iTunes and synced (sunk? hmm) it onto my phone. Haven't actually listened to it yet of course..... blush

HaveALittleFaith Thu 26-Jul-12 22:23:35

Yea it's on my phone too, the only way I can listen to it! biscuits do it tonight! It's very relaxing. Dare you not to giggle when he says That's riiiiiight near the start wink

Go on then - I'm off to bed now, DH is out. I'll report back in the morning.

Ds2 and I will be committed Paulettes by the morning smile

Solo Thu 26-Jul-12 23:05:29

Just wanted to tell you all that even though I could very happily comfort eaten my way through the left over apple crumble pie and creamy custard after what happened to me today; I didn't smile in fact, I have eaten very little today...<wonders what's wrong hmm>

Solo Thu 26-Jul-12 23:08:22

Oh yes; meant to say see the moany groany thread to find out what did occur today angry

ppeatfruit Fri 27-Jul-12 08:48:11

Sorry Sols where's the link to the moany thread? I hope it's nothing too awful hope you're okay? Morning all BTW smile

Oooh my friend just arrived and commented on me losing weight grin

ppeatfruit Fri 27-Jul-12 11:13:08

Biscuits It's great when that happens!!

Totally unexpected too as I don't feel as though I look much smaller smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 27-Jul-12 14:46:53

Oh biscuits that is great!

I have just discovered that the wedding I am going to in September is cocktail/black tie in the evening! <squueeeeeeee> but also 'WTF shall I wear??'. I got a lovely vintage dress very cheaply which will be perfect for the day, but I really want to get something glam to wear for the evening because DH will wear his tux (yum) grin

ppeatfruit Fri 27-Jul-12 15:38:53

OOOh lucky you ali envy I love dressing up.

<staggers onto the thread bleary eyed, bedraggled and wilting>

Hello Oldies and Newbies.

Just spent a week helping with holiday club at church. 10am to 1pm only thank goodness but I am shattered!! The weather of course doesn't help but nor does all the dancing around and running around after the little monsters children. We had 2 boys in our group (yr 4) who have been an absolute pain in the arse. I knew one of the had some learning diffculties but the other one was a pain even though his mother was in the room running yr R. I only found out today that in fact he has ADHD. It would have been helpful to know that at the beginning of the week. <sigh>

Anyway it was a good week, it has flown passed but I completely get about the hot weather throwing your eating out the window. Heat kills my appetite and I just don't fancy eating at all. I end up realising that I haven't eaten for hours and having to force myself to eat because I still don't feel like it. You'd think the weight would drop off but no (couldn't resist a sneaky peek this morning). It is the same as last week.hmm

Will catch up with the thread properly soon but happy weekend to everybody.

Solo Sat 28-Jul-12 01:04:15

I have listened to part of the cd again today.

Odd thing and it shouldn't be a surprise to me after going through it before after the seminar, but my appetite has lessened again. I've eaten so little and realised that I'm just not hungry smile
Shame I didn't get back into it 6 months ago; I could've been at target by now. Ah well...I must keep on keeping on now grin.

HERE PP is the moany thread.

HaveALittleFaith Sat 28-Jul-12 07:41:57

Shoulda woulda coulda solo! I'm always like that! At least you're doing it now and you recognise that if you focus you can do it smile
Nice to see you BBB! Sounds like you were pretty busy at the holiday club.
Ali I'd keep trawling vintage shops/eBay etc for dresses, I'm sure you can find something good. If its September you've got a bit of time.

Well, moment of truth this morning. I hopped on the scales (may have looked a couple of times but this is official weigh in) I'm 13stone dead! That's 6lb in 2 weeks grin I'm so chuffed and I'm halfway to getting my BMI under 30 now! I'm just determined to keep focused on holiday.

<waves to everyone else> Happy weekend everyone!

Well done Have grin

No loss for me this week (in fact a 1lb gain) but I've been 'bad' the last few days (I had an Olympic eating effort last night in honour of the opening ceremony blush). So I know what I've got to do - I just need to focus a bit more do I feel ok about it.

ppeatfruit Sat 28-Jul-12 09:17:16

Morning All smile Congratulations Havea!! When i don't feel much like eating when it's hot i make a gorgeous summer salad soup (you just use the salad ingredients you like ; mine tend to be half an avoe, half cucumber, lettuce leaves, herbs etc. all chopped of course, spring onions and garlic to taste, the juice of a lemon, I also add the whole of a half of a lemon or lime, olive oil and or water or stock how much you use depends on how thick or thin you like it. Then using a hand held blender whoosh it all up in a bowl. I eat it with crunched up ryvitas or toast.

ppeatfruit Sat 28-Jul-12 09:18:36

You can put in plain yoghurt if you like it creamier!

friendly7 Sat 28-Jul-12 20:27:29

Sounds fantastic ppeatfruit smile

FartBlossom Sun 29-Jul-12 19:11:46

Just popping in to say hi. I'm still listening to the cd and still Pauling. Don't know why I've not kept up with this thread. I'm not following all the rules religiously but I have lost weight this morning I was 11st 9 and to think I was over 12 when I started. I will catch up in a bit when I get on the pc

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 29-Jul-12 19:44:49

Hello!

FB and Faith well done on the weight loss! grin

I have been a bit hit and miss, too much booze and munching on Friday night watching the opening ceremony!

Just getting the boys into bed and then I am going to listen to the CD and not fall fast asleep in 30 seconds I hope!!

friendly7 Mon 30-Jul-12 11:45:13

Well done FB! I had my ups and downs, loosing and gaining but I'm trying my best and hope it will be a good experience. Good luck girls!

SolosGreatBritishOlympicGold Mon 30-Jul-12 12:32:05

Ladies HERE is our second moany/chatty thread for non Paul McKenna related stuff smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 30-Jul-12 13:08:08

Solo what happened to the other one??

SolosGreatBritishOlympicGold Mon 30-Jul-12 13:28:16

The OTBT threads only last 30 days Ali so I shall have to make a new one each month to moan on wink !

HaveALittleFaith Mon 30-Jul-12 13:30:21

Thanks Ali! The OTBT threads go poof after 30 days.

Well I'm currently basking in the glorious sunshine watching the sailing at the olympics! No idea what's going on but it's fun smile torch

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 30-Jul-12 14:45:06

Ah I see, I wondered if we had been naughty! grin

Faith - I am envy Love watching the sailing. I have got it on now, Ainslie has got a fight on his hands here. Enjoy! torch

SolosGreatBritishOlympicGold Mon 30-Jul-12 16:39:00

By the way...I've gone from 13. 11 3/4 to 13. 7 1/2. Just saying.

I went to the Olympic fencing yesterday and if I wasn't a hair's breadth away from being 46 and several stone overweight, I might just take it up myself. (We'll forget about the dodgy knees I've had since childhood). It was really good and very well organised and very entertaining. I have always liked the look of it as a sport. Very elegant in its own way.

I envy you being in Weymouth Faith. I really like it down there. We've have had a few holidays down there over the years and keep meaning to go back but there is always somewhere else to go. About 5 years ago we had some wacky plan to buy a holiday home there because you can get there for a weekend from our house and then we'd let it out at extortionate rates for the Olympics. Sadly we haven't had the required lottery win so that was the end of that plan! grin

Can you tell which boat is which from where you are?

Doing OK here with food and wotnot but it is that time of the month coming up again so I don't expect to lose anything this week. Had far too much cake yesterday but did a lot of walking around London so hopefully it won't be too much of a problem.

Congratulations to all the losers too. smile

For a completely non-sporty person I always enjoy the Olympics so Happy Olympics everybody. torch

(Just an excuse to use the new smiley really but enjoy all the same)

Cross post Solo. Well done!

SolosGreatBritishOlympicGold Mon 30-Jul-12 17:05:50

Thank you smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 30-Jul-12 17:11:18

Solo well done, that is fabulous.

I am feeling a bit glum. Haven't managed to lose anything for about a month. I am sure that it is down to the return of AF, she is due any day - I think - but it is hard to know when I am still BFing.

School holidays aren't helping, I am spending too much time hiding from the DCs in the kitchen grin

HaveALittleFaith Mon 30-Jul-12 17:46:19

Well done solo! Great work.

BBB you couldn't tell from one side (small flags) but when they turned the whole flag was across the sail. There was a big screen too. We cycled there are back (2.5 miles each way). I'd forgotten how hilly it is round here. I found it very stressful on my body. Not pleasant. Started to get easier though and I managed to cycle up the last hill to the camper. We're off into Weymouth tomorrow - DNephew wants to go to the 'seaside' smile

SolosGreatBritishOlympicGold Tue 31-Jul-12 01:27:41

smile Let's hope it stays off and continues to come off. Must listen to a cd again tomorrow.

SolosGreatBritishOlympicGold Tue 31-Jul-12 01:28:07

Wish I still had a camper van...

HaveALittleFaith Tue 31-Jul-12 08:56:12

Sadly this is the last holiday we'll have in this camper as my Dad is determined to sell it. He's seriously tight very careful with his money. He sees this as a drain on his resources (even though we al contribute) so he's selling it in September. To be honest, we're sleeping in the awning and I don't think I'm willing to do it again. DH is whining complaining about how he doesn't sleep well. Fun as it is to be away as a family emotions are getting frayed! confused

ppeatfruit Tue 31-Jul-12 10:35:33

Morning Allsmile I'm busy ATM 'cos DM is staying with us but congrats on the loss Sols happy holyers and Olympics to all; TBH I'm pleased to be a way from the whole thing (we enjoyed the opening ceremony[smile torch]

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 31-Jul-12 11:03:19

AF has arrived, hurrah! Awful pains, but I feel less bloated already.

Faith I think the key to a successful extended family holiday is having a bit of space from each other!

HaveALittleFaith Tue 31-Jul-12 12:08:41

Well that's good news Ali! Aside from the pains, at least you'll get a clear weigh in when she's gone.

Yes we have had the morning apart, DH and i I lazing in the camper and had a bit of a heart to heart admitting the last few months have been very tough on both of us and our marriage confused I feel a lot better for admitting that to be honest. Particularly since being unhappy triggers off my stress eating.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 31-Jul-12 13:50:45

Aww Faith it is good to have that conversation. We had an awful few months after DS2 was born, a lot of it down to tiredness because the little darling didn't sleep and still doesn't. Loads of arguments, which really upset all of us including DS1 and it was horrid. We had a chat one day, basically said 'WTF has been happening, this is shit' and it really helped.

I was getting a bit twitched about the absence of AF. We were, very stupidly, less than 100% careful a couple of weeks ago <idiots> As much as part of me would love another baby, a bigger part is very happy as we are.

smile My AF is just diminishing now...It's day 11 and the second visit inside a month.

Glad things are looking up for you Ali and HALF and thanks smile pp ~ Back atchya! Sorry HALF that your campervan hols aren't as good as they should be sad and that Dad is selling up <wishes I was able to put a bid in>

ppeatfruit Wed 01-Aug-12 10:23:35

Happy 1st of August everyone!!smile

RunningUpThatHill Wed 01-Aug-12 17:33:56

It's FartBlossom here under a new name.

Well done solo

Do you always lie down to listen to the CD? I do but it means I only get chance 3 times a week or so, I'm wondering if I should put it on while doing something else like reading or MNing obviously I would't be hearing it all properly, but surely some of it would go in wouldn't it?

Also what is OTBT and why is the moany thread there?

We're thinking of getting a camper van in the future when we have money to actually go somewhere

Going swimming tonight tried to go this morning but I got there 20 mins before it was shutting. I was rather annoyed with myself as I didn't check first. It's an half hour round trip in the car. Also I'm tempted to join a gym next week there is a good offer £20 a month till the end of the year then come jan there is no contract so when it goes to full price (£40) I can decide if it will be worth it. Just waiting till after the MOT to pay for the joining fee

Oooh! like the nc RUTH smile good abbreviation too!! I usually lie down to listen and often fall asleep...not sure that doing other things would be helpful though, unless it's something mundane like washing up, vacuuming or similar; maybe that'd be ok.

I need to listen again and do some more visualisation. Wish I could exercise.

HaveALittleFaith Wed 01-Aug-12 21:44:50

Hi all! Yes I like that RUTH! My Dad has a lurvely camper, 8 years old, big Fiat Suntor. He is selling because he's obsessed with money worried about depreciation. We plan to buy an old one between us. Not a cool old vw one (they cost over £10k), an uncool 80s one! For about £4-6k. Won't be as big but should be fun and we won't have to worry about my Dad threatening to sell all the time!

I've only ever listened to the CD in/on the bed. Sometimes I do it in the end if I have time and need to relax but usually I do it at bedtime. I tend to wake as he says 'wake up' (and go for a wee!)

OTBT is Off the beaten track. A quiet part of MN that doesn't show in searches. We have a moany thread in there to stop us clogging up this thread with non-food related moans!

I think I'm doing ok in holiday. Cycled a fair but the first few days and swam a bit today. Been lured in by sweet snacks a few times but not as much as I would have in previous years.

RunningUpThatHill Wed 01-Aug-12 21:59:17

Thanks for the liking my new name. I did have a couple of others I was thinking of (BananasOnBranflakes and CompingAddict), but I like the fact that it does make me Ruth (even though that is not my name in RL)

Thanks for the explanation of OTBT. Will check that thread out at some point. I like to have a good moan me grin

Of to bed to listen to Paul then to swoon over Dean Winchester watch Supernatural.

Bad day today and I'm now sitting up in bed drinking a Whiskey Mac...

ppeatfruit Fri 03-Aug-12 08:59:10

Morning all!! smile Put down that whiskey sols it won't do you any good believe me grin

MardySkimpyBeachVolleyballBra Fri 03-Aug-12 12:44:03

Hello all.
Sorry not been on thread much. I think I accidentally hid it.
Just to say, still here. Pauling on and off, as very busy and not had time to listen to CD enough. Will post more later.

Hi Mardy love the Olympic nc smile

I need to listen again too...a week to go until my week in Norfolk! and really wanted to be back at 13st...however, if I could be 13st 4lbs, I'd be happier.

Found out today that Mum has been buying slimming pills despite the fact that I gave her a copy of all the discs to listen to have encouraged her to listen to PMK. Really angry at her because she seems to have wasted so much money this past year and she wont listen to me or learn from her own mistakes. I've had to bail her out with my new flat roof money. Grrr!!!

MardySkimpyBeachVolleyballBra Sat 04-Aug-12 10:06:27

Likewise with your name Solo. Right. I have 25 mins spare. Am going to listen to trance.

ppeatfruit Sat 04-Aug-12 13:49:29

How annoying about yr. mum sols it sounds like my DH he buys every slimming book under the sun and never bothers to actually listen to the P.M. C.D.s or read the book . worse for you to have to bail her out shock

Hi everyone! BTW

Hello. It is my birthday so I have eaten cake, been out to lunch and plan to eat some chocolates later and for one day I don't care. <<rebelliious>>

It's only one day a year (thank goodness - don't want to get older any faster) so I am having the day off from even thinking about food.

I listened the CD yesterday for the first time in ages so I am not all bad.grin

HaveALittleFaith Sat 04-Aug-12 20:39:23

Happy birthday BBB! grin I'm glad you enjoyed it!

I'm back from holiday a few lb heavier if the scales are anything to go by (though need to check first thing tomorrow). DH is over tired and feeling rough so I'm just watching some Olympic coverage.

ppeatfruit Sun 05-Aug-12 09:20:37

It sounds like you had a fun birthday BBsmile remember we're none of us all bad EVER!!!!
Hope yr hols were okay havea i can always tell by my clothes and the mirror if I've put on a couple of lbs so I restart P.M. more carefully and THEN look at the scales it's less of a shock IYSWIM! grin

RunningUpThatHill Sun 05-Aug-12 17:51:35

If you can't have a day off on your birthday when can you? Happy belated birthday though.

Sorry to hear about your mum solo I would say leave her to it, but if you are having to bail her out you can't really sorry I'm not much help there.

Just listened to Paul and for the first time in weeks I actually fell asleep I usually hear it all although my mind does wander a lot. Does anybody else find themselves thinking of completely random things? Mind you I never have a clear mind and I am always thinking is this normal?

Need some luck dust this way please as my car is in for it's MOT on wed and I've applied for a few jobs today. I hate MOT time we have £500 put aside but we would like to be able to afford to do more with the DCs over the hols

I will go to the moany thread and tell more about my Mum if anyone wants to know...

Hope you had a lovely birthday BBB smile and HALF I hope your trip away was great!

RUTH I'm often unable to clear my mind, but usually I have fallen asleep whilst listening to Paul...I'm afraid I'm not much help atm.

pp hows it going with your Mum?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 06-Aug-12 06:53:07

Morning everyone smile Weekend away here so more food and booze than a normal day.

BBB Happy Birthday, hope you had fun smile

Ruth I struggle to clear my mind too, although I find that if I really concentrate on the counting backwards then that stills my thoughts. <sends good luck vibes for MOT and jobs>

Solo oh that is rubbish about your Mum sad Is your brother in a position to help you help her - IYSWIM? Seems hard that you have to worry about her when things are tough for you too (((hugs)))

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 06-Aug-12 06:55:41

Oh - DS1 is staying with my parents. He went home with them from my brother's house yesterday (we were all there for the weekend) and Mum is bringing him back up on Wednesday. I miss him sad He normally climbs into my bed in the morning and gives me a big cuddle and snuggles down for a little snooze sadsad

<gets grip>

ppeatfruit Mon 06-Aug-12 12:58:59

AAh yr. DS1 sounds lovely Ali. Well I'll see you on the moany thread about my mum Sols grin Nah she's not THAT bad!

MardySkimpyBeachVolleyballBra Mon 06-Aug-12 13:04:33

I am 3 on the hunger scale and waiting for DS to get back from Tescos with some lunch. It's going to taste so good. Must remember to eat slowly.

<waves to all>
<gazes out at the road for signs of ds>

Ali sad it's weird, but I never miss the Dc's when they aren't about blush. I think it's because I returned to work when Ds was just 4 months old and at 18 months when I'd stopped bfing him, he often stayed for up to three days and nights with Mum and Dad whilst I just dealt with work. Not sure how I'll be when I go back to work in January though...Dd will be 6yo and I've always been at home with her...she has only had a couple of nights away from me since birth. Not sure how she'll cope either. Atm, she is sleeping in with me whilst I try to sort out changing the bedrooms over and every morning she wakes up with a 'Good morning Mummy!' and it's lovely smile
Db, won't help Mum financially, despite the fact that he is in debt to her! I doubt she'll get it back now! the debts are over 20 years old. He doesn't have a conscience in the same way I do angry. He doesn't even visit her much.

Pp grin

Mardy how was lunch?

ppeatfruit Tue 07-Aug-12 14:03:28

Hello people smile how's everyone's Pauling going? grin

RunningUpThatHill Tue 07-Aug-12 18:37:40

not going well today, but Ive been out most of the day which included lunch. Im not having a huge tea though, just nibbling. Im too tired and feel bloated to eat anything properly. I find it a lot easier if Im just doing the normal daily routine. So tomorrow and onwards will be better.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 07-Aug-12 22:25:15

I've been hit and miss. I have really missed DS1, really missed him. This is the longest I've been away from him since he was born!

Solo that is sad about your DB, families can be such a pain at times.

Might listen to the CD in bed tonight, depends what time I get there!

HaveALittleFaith Tue 07-Aug-12 22:32:14

I'm trying but want to emotional eat (see other thread). I did manage a 6k walk last night but have caved to chocolate today. Must stop weighing myself - I've started daily weighing since I got home. Good news is scales are going back in the right direction.

RunningUpThatHill Tue 07-Aug-12 22:37:01

Have I daily weigh myself too, although for me I think the batteries are going which is good. Im going the right direction too.

I really should get onto that thread.

Hello ladies.

Hope you are all OK

Ali - you get your DS back today don't you? Enjoy! smile

Solo - I think brothers who have sisters rely on them to take care of their parents. It's women's work or something old fashioned like that. I am hoping that having 2 boys at least one of them with take on the 'girl' role and look after me in my dotage but I don't think I can count on it!

Eating was a bit weird for me yesterday. We went up to London, the boys and DH to watch the Olympic footie at Wembley and me to visit a friend who lives 15 minutes further on from there (45mins if you got lost like I did although I did see Giles Coren walking down the road so not all bad - a bit of celeb spotting is always good). We were going to have lunch together at Brent Cross but when we got there there wasn't actuall much choice so we ended up in Burger King. (Managed to keep the boys out of BK and McD's for the first 11 yrs of DS1's life and now we've been 3 times in 6 mthshmm). Had a slice of malt loaf and a cup of tea with friend and then went to collect the boys at what would normally be tea time. Got home at 10pm and wasn't really very hungry but thought I ought to eat given how little I had had so I had some toast with lemon curd and a bit of cake. So, not at all nurtrious but also not very much all in all. Not sure what sort of day to call it really!

Back to normal today although we are going away for a week on Friday so heavens knows what kind of cake eating frenzy that will induce. Going to stay near the in-laws - FIL can't walk far so all trips revolve around coffee shops and toilets. Cake is a constant temptation.

Re the frequent weighing I have said before on these threads I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. I think it depends on whether seeing your progress or lack of it is demotivating or not. For me it is and I actively avoid the scales when things are going badly so avoiding them in not a good thing. It also takes a lot of weight change for me to notice a difference so I can't rely on that. Besides, for me, if my clothes start feeling tight it is already too late. I have made a big gain. Far better to see the weight creeping up and nip it in the bud than allow it to get to the point where it shows. Some nutritionists would agree that frequent weighing is good too.

But I know that not everybody agrees with that, PMcK included and ppeat on here. <Waves to ppeat>

You have to do what works for you so long as it is for the right reasons. Obsessing about it would be the wrong reason but just to know where you are at, that seems OK to me. You have to be honest with yourself about your movtivation though, don't you? Not always easy.

ppeatfruit Wed 08-Aug-12 13:55:45

It seems that you're all doing well, me as well I'm trying to influence DM so can't start picking when I'm not hungry can I? It looks like she's loosing as well so it's working! ref. the weighing I do my own thing with the eating; others with the weighing all to their own eh! grin

MardySkimpyBeachVolleyballBra Wed 08-Aug-12 15:54:42

Hi all. just to let you know i'm off on holiday for a couple of weeks. I'm not sure if I'll have a wifi connection where I'm going so if you don't hear from me, I haven't fallen off the planet/wagon. Hope to stick to a nice mediterranean diet and not hit the booze too much! grin

ppeatfruit Wed 08-Aug-12 16:10:48

Have a lovely holyer mardy smile

MardySkimpyBeachVolleyballBra Wed 08-Aug-12 19:54:21

Thanks pp. Paul will be coming with me on my phone. I might even get time to listen to him for once.

Enjoy your holiday Mardy. If you are anything like me you are possibly more active on holiday than at home, simply because you aren't stuck at a desk so that helps with the temptation to eat.

You sound like you are going somewhere infinity more exciting than N Wales (and Anfield football ground - what have I let myself in for there) so bring us back some sunshine as I shall probably be needing it by then. smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 08-Aug-12 23:28:18

Mardy have a lovely time!

I've done ok today.

DS1 is home grin I so missed his little smiling face, I had to go and have a sneaky sob in the kitchen once he was back!

<soppy fool >

Don't worry about sobbing Ali, blame it on the Olympics if it helps - I have spent too much of the last 10 days welling up about people I don't even know! Compared to that you are totally normal and not in the least soppy! grin

Besides, give it another few years and you'll be glad to see the back of them! Briefly of course but glad all the same. <<there speaks a woman not yet half way through the school holidays and longing for a little break>>

I don't know if it is a good thing or not but I never had anybody to give my two away to nobody would have them. PIL live too far away for a sleep over and the boys won't/can't stay with my mum because of my dad (see other thread). DS2 has never spent a night away from me. DS1 has done 2 school trips and I had the teachers phoning me the second time saying how upset he was (very useful when we were both snowed in - Jan is such a stupid month for a residential trip - just as well I didn't really fret). I must admit I felt more sorry for the teachers than DS once I found out he was eating and sleeping and having fun when he was busy. blush

Enjoy your DS being home. smile

wheelycote Thu 09-Aug-12 00:05:12

Room for another?

Of course Wheelycote. Get stuck in. Always room for more.smile

Where are you at with this? Do you have the book and CD or are you just thinking about?

<budges up on the bench for wheely smile > welcome aboard.

ppeatfruit Thu 09-Aug-12 08:55:05

Yup always room for another a big welcome wheelyI hope we're not too off putting in our cliqueyness grin Oh morningall BTW!

friendly7 Thu 09-Aug-12 21:43:01

Hello, wishing everyone a very happy week. Good luck to everyone!!!

We are very quiet on here gals! I'm off to do some ironing and packing...probably wont be back until after Norfolk...may try to access the thread on my phone, but no promises there!!!

friendly7 Fri 10-Aug-12 15:05:57

Have fun and good luck with everything smile

ppeatfruit Fri 10-Aug-12 15:44:56

Thanks friendly and hope the weather 's okay in Norfolk solo. Hello everyone BTW smile

friendly7 Fri 10-Aug-12 22:26:11

Thank you ppeatfruit. Nice to hear from you smile Hello everyone smile

HaveALittleFaith Fri 10-Aug-12 22:34:39

Hi all. I'm lurking. Struggling but still trying to Paul. I can't wait to get a proper table to eat at!

ppeatfruit Mon 13-Aug-12 10:53:50

Blimey has this thread gone quiet ! Helloooo anybody theregrin morning to anyone who isgrin

friendly7 Mon 13-Aug-12 15:40:20

Good afternoon ppeatfruit and everyone smile

ppeatfruit Mon 13-Aug-12 15:51:37

hello friendly smile we must be the only ones by a compooter!

HaveALittleFaith Mon 13-Aug-12 17:28:46

Hello, I have just returned from work. Epic high sugar eating day confused but DSis is dragging me out for a run later!

ppeatfruit Mon 13-Aug-12 17:49:35

Have a good run Have I power walked this morning but it exhausted me for the rest of the day hmm so been on here too much !!

HaveALittleFaith Wed 15-Aug-12 22:16:09

Hello all. But quiet on here lately. I was too tired to walk on Monday night, probably because it's turns out I'm up the duff grin

I've said it on t'other thread Faith but WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW gringringringringrin

I am so SUPER-mega-uber excited for you. gringrinthanksthanks

Sorry for absence - been mega busy with, well, I don't know what really. Just seem busy! Pauling has been, erm, intermittent blush (I always find stressful days with the minibiscuits = emergency biscuit scoffing whilst hiding in the kitchen blushblushblush). But v v slowly the weight is creeping down. V v slowly though. Think it would go a bit quicker if I could apply myself (said in my best school report voice smile). Lots of fluctuation (to be expected) but it's like the average is down to 13st 9 rather than that being the lowest iyswim. Lowest now is 13.8 so a gradual downward trend. Must try harder to make it a definite downward trend though. Had to give up listening to the CD in bed though as DS2 not sleeping well (teeth) and it disturbs him. Not long until he can be shuffled off to his own room though and then I can have Paul back smile

Oooh Faith what do you think will happen about your op for Sept?

HaveALittleFaith Thu 16-Aug-12 07:09:14

I really don't know! Depends if they view it as 'essential'. I'm going to go to GP to discuss it all.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 16-Aug-12 07:18:13

OMG Faith that is amazing news! gringringringringringrin

Pauling on and off here, not managing to exercise. I am struggling with the lack of routine because it is the holidays I think.

Ali the holidays have knocked my routine off.

Aside from no exercise (but there has been no exercise since ds2 was here) I also can't seem to get any cleaning done blush

Still gringringringrin at Faith's news

gringringringrin

RunningUpThatHill Thu 16-Aug-12 07:59:17

Wow congratulations faith and there was me waving to you on another thread and I had no idea. Really pleased for you grin

My Pauling has completely gone out the window but I've fished the book out and going to have a read in a bit once I've fed the DCs. Also I need to listen to the cd more. I usually listen to it after I get out the bath while I dry off but I'm having more showers as I've joined the gym so getting washed there. So need to find another time to listen to it.

On a positive note I've not put any weight on so I'm still able to say I've lost half a stone with the PmK WOE so it's not all bad.

HaveALittleFaith Thu 16-Aug-12 08:11:53

Thanks all smile I realised its difficult to visualise yourself at your ideal weight when you know you're going to grow a baby bump in the next few months! The nausea is certainly helping me go off food rapidly though! I'm planning to keep walking - I'm 13st 2lb so I've lost most of my holiday weight. I know I can't 'diet' while diffed but I figure I can try to Paul and eat healthily.

I think that's pretty good overall RUTH, to lose half a stone and maintain. How many diets would help you achieve that? None! So you know the PMK WOE works, just time to refocus.

ppeatfruit Thu 16-Aug-12 08:24:59

OOOOOh Have smile we're going to have a little P.M.er Hooray !!!!! many Congrats have You're name has worked hasn't it ? grin grin

Also Well Done to you all for KEEPIN' TRUCKIN' smile smile this thread has really cheered me up I'm on my own and not doing enough housework 'cos i'm on here too much (still Pauling though). Going to the market in minute. While it's cool.

HaveALittleFaith Thu 16-Aug-12 13:37:29

And I was tempted to change my name recently! I do think losing done weight probably helped with things. Hope the market was fun! smile

ppeatfruit Thu 16-Aug-12 14:00:27

Yes it will've helped and the healthier eating! The market was brill thanks I've got a selection of fresh fruit that needs to be eaten quite quickly - mirabelles (which are the sweetest little yellow plums) that only seem to be sold here in Fr. peaches, reine claude plums that are like greengages but sweeter (they're all picked ripe which makes them taste 100% better than Brit supermkt stuff)grin Oh and the first of the new season black grapes smile All unsprayed! The market always reminds us why we're here smile

Hello. Hope you are all OK.

Haven't read the whole thread since I last posted (been on hols, not ignoring you) but had to find the source of all the grins and I can see why.

Congratulations Faith! That is absolutely bloody marvellous. I shall add my own gringringringrin.

Hope you are OK and feeling well.

ppeatfruit Sat 18-Aug-12 14:20:59

Hello BBB nice to hear from you! Yes it's good news about Havea's little P.M.er grin

Solo Sun 19-Aug-12 10:52:21

Hello ladies!!! back from sunny/windy Norfolk. Only gained a 1/4 of a lb, so not unhappy with that given what I've eaten!! got extremely drunk on Sunday night which I never do!! not a drinker at all, so extremely embarrassed!!!

HALF!!! Wooo HoooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!! grin Congratulations! what has Mr HALF's reaction been?! so, so pleased for you smile

Catch up with everyone soon.

HaveALittleFaith Sun 19-Aug-12 11:01:09

solo 1/4 lb is nothing! That could just be a glass of water! Brilliantly well done! Did you just keep applying the Paul rules while your were away?

Mr HALF was very cautious initially, it's just been so long we scarcely believed it. But now I'm 2 days past when AF was due, pretty strong symptoms of nausea and fatigue so we're starting to adjust to the idea. He is very happy! We know it doesn't solve all our problems and we're still going for the counselling because we've made mistakes and said things that we can't take back that we need to discuss and forgive each other for. But me being pregnant gives us something positive to focus on. I had underestimated how much the infertility had affected us. Even yesterday we were in a shop and saw a Mum and daughter (I'd say about one - just about walking, not quite talking) who was so gorgeous and instead of feeling despondent we were getting excited saying that's what we're going to get! smile

Hi Solo - nothing less than a 0.5lb counts you know. I don't reckon you have put anything on. smile

So did you do anything you regretted whilst drunk? grin

I had a post holiday weigh in and seem to have lost about 1.5lbs. shock

I reckon it is the activity as I have broken my rule of not snacking in the weekday evenings quite badly. Too much birthday chocolate left! I really ought to move more, not just eat less. It seems to be the key.

Having said that, I don't remember being stuffed at all. We ate out quite a bit but I have been having the 'light bites' options just because I didn't fancy any more and so I could have desert. Maybe that is the way to go when eating out although not all restaurants have the option do they?

HaveALittleFaith Sun 19-Aug-12 20:22:30

Nice work BBB! You could have your cake and eat it! The other option is to order a starter to come with the other main meals or a child's portion.

So I have completely lost my appetite, is that normal? Not just because of the nausea, I just have to push myself to eat. Maybe partly due to the heat too?

Faith, ime, it is perfectly normal to lose you appetite. With DS1 I had nausea for a few weeks but even when that had gone at about 10 weeks, I would be hungry, manage about 5 mouthfuls and I had had enough. DS2 was a bit different but still had no appetite. Ultimate Pauling. The second trimester my appetite was back to normal. You have to make what you do eat count, I suppose, for your body's sake rather than the baby who won't need much just yet. I was in early pregnancy in autumn/winter but the heat knocks my appetite even if I am not pregnant.

All the weirdness is worth it though. Sometimes. When they are asleep. grin

ppeatfruit Mon 20-Aug-12 08:48:34

Morning All!!!! grin BB yes the key is move more along with P.M. deffo. IMO

HaveALittleFaith Mon 20-Aug-12 08:55:49

I agree - you can see weight loss just following the rules but if you want significant results, moving more will make that difference.

<<wails>> I was afraid you'd say that.

ppeatfruit Mon 20-Aug-12 11:48:54

Hang on YOU said that originally BBB grin!!!

I know but you weren't supposed to agree with me! grin

You were supposed to say, 'nah eating less is all that it needs'.

HaveALittleFaith Mon 20-Aug-12 12:54:11

How about this - yes, eating following Paul's rules will help you lose weight. Exercising will help. A combination of the two give the best and quickest results.

Think about it - exercise builds muscle, muscle burns calories - even at rest! So adding in exercise results in better outcomes. Before I went on holiday I walked 3-6k each evening and Pauled, I lost half a stone.

I made the epic mistake of getting rid of gone off milk this morning. Not good at the best of times but today I puked afterwards! envy not jealous!

ppeatfruit Mon 20-Aug-12 13:04:11

Oh oh! shades of things to come have ! grin BBB I don't know if I've said this before on this thread but when i was in my early 40s rushing about with 3 DCs I gave up my ONE cup of freshly ground coffee a day and guess what I lost about 5 kilos with NO extra exercise at all!! shock What's even more interesting is when i have one every other week or so now it speeds up my metabolic rate. IMO and E its having something every day that isn't helpful for weight loss.

Drat, I don't drink coffee. Can't give that up. smile

Oh Faith, that isn't nice. Any job previously considered stinky and not nice has to be redelegated to the one who isn't growing an actual human who is apparently very sensitive to smells, i.e. DH. I think you might have to get him to do these things for a while. Let him earn his stripes as a Dad to be - it is a small price for him to pay.

Hope you are OK now. I know being pregnant isn't an illness but for a few weeks it certainly feels like it!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 20-Aug-12 13:47:31

Oh Faith you have supernose! It is one of the very few things I miss about being pregnant, although obviously not for smelling yucky smells!

Struggling atm. It is too humid and the boys aren't sleeping well, so I am exhausted and shovelling in random food. Plus, I am not getting a chance to listen to the CD in the evenings - last night it was gone 11pm before we got DS1 settled to sleep <yawn>

ppeatfruit Mon 20-Aug-12 13:57:24

Do you do anything like tea drinking or wine\alc. drinking every day? that you could give up for a bit grin

ppeat - I am going to sound really boring but I don't drink alcohol at all, I don't like the taste and I have about 2 or 3 cups of tea a week. Mostly I drink water.

Ali I know about non-sleeping children and mine are 12 and 8 - they should know better than to bother their poor weary mother.. Little buggers darlings didn't go to sleep until after 2am the other night and kept wanting to share (not that I can sleep if I know they are awake). You'd think it got easier. At least they don't wake up in the winter and at least the summer is very short!!

I do wish DS1 would just take his socks off at night though!hmm

HaveALittleFaith Mon 20-Aug-12 14:02:57

Yes I do have supernose! So sensitive to smells. I had banana custard last night and I could smell the vanilla in it. Kept down breakfast (after milk debacle), lost half my lunch. I find it reassuring to remind me I am definitely diffed but I will be losing weight if this keeps up for a while.

I hear you with the poor sleep Ali, it's awful isn't it?

Faith - I lost weight in the 1st trimester with both of mine. Took until about 20-22wks to become heavier than I started out. I don't know if it was bothering you to lose weight but don't worry about it.

I wasn't even puking but on the other hand I am rubbish at forcing myself to eat if I am feeling ill. I was never one of those women who could shovel food in on the basis that they had to have something to come out again by the same route later.

So just being nosey now, what do you reckon your due is?

Have you seen the doctor yet?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 20-Aug-12 15:37:51

It is, there is rather a lot of TV going on here today! blush

I found little and often to be a good way to avoid the puking. I used to feel hungry, think 'surely I can't be hungry again already', and then an hour later be starving, eat and vomit. Lovely grin

BBB don't say that <rocks> I am hoping it is just the heat.

HaveALittleFaith Mon 20-Aug-12 17:09:25

Ah ginger cookies are frigging awesome! I had managed two and an ice lolly. I'm not too worried about weight - I could obviously stand to lose a bit and I just read a thread where women lost weight during pregnancy.

I am due end of April. I cannot quite get my head round that part. I'm still getting from BFPs to pregnant state. Actually having a baby is another step of acceptance! Off to the doctor Thursday, I want to check all my medication is ok and get advice about my operation.

I luff my sleep. The sleep deprivation thing really worries me! smile

ppeatfruit Tue 21-Aug-12 13:13:40

Little and often is the P.M. way isn't it? The sleep deprivation is something you get used to but TBH I just used to bf in bed and have L.O's cot\ cradle right by it so making as little interruption of sleep as poss.smile

Hello! Thought I'd join now ds is 9 weeks old.

Where to start? Please don't tell me I have to be organised......

HaveALittleFaith Tue 21-Aug-12 18:27:20

Well you need to be organised enough to get the book and CD - can you do that?!

Hi - I'm Faith. Been Pauling since January and have lost some weight (few ups and downs) but am now 4 week pregnant squeeee so trying to apply the rules and not gain lots of weight! smile

Yes, it's on order grin

HaveALittleFaith Tue 21-Aug-12 21:24:22

Excellent start!

Honestly, Pauling is the easiest way to lose weight ever. The book is helpful in enlightening issues and the CD is great for reinforcement.

Hi Starlight. No organisation necessary. If there was I wouldn't be here. grin

You probably don't even need to read the book as it really it is as simple as the 4 rules at the beginning of the thread. Having said that, I found the book focussed my thoughts and answered some of the questions that everybody starts out with. It is motivating. You probably can't do without the CD (even though I am rubbish at listening to it). It is important at the beginning, less so as the changes you make become more engrained.

I will be interested in whether you love or hate Paul McKenna's voice and delivery on the CD. It seems to be a bit of a marmite issue round here but, if like me, you don't like it, just hope that you don't actually hear any of it until he tells you to wake up at the end. grin

Sorry that was a bit of a negative paragraph about the CD.blush

It is very helpful and even though I don't like the idea of my head being messed with by a bloke with a stereotypical hypnotists voice, there is no doubt it works, even on a sceptic like I was.smile

Of course you might be one of the odd people who find his voice sexy. wink

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 21-Aug-12 23:06:18

Hello starlight smile No organisation required, mercifully grin

The CD really does work, even if you are a bit hmm like I was at the start!

Solo Tue 21-Aug-12 23:34:16

Oi!! BBB hmm Paul McKenna is a sexy mayan!! grin

Solo - Ha! Thought an attack on Mr M's sexiness would get you back on the thread.

That other weirdy woman ppeat will be along in the morning to back you up I am sure! grin

How are you anyway? Have you recovered from your hols? Was it OK in the end? As I remember it, you were about as keen as me to go. Staying home alone seemed a lot more appealing.smile

Solo Wed 22-Aug-12 00:06:15

Don't know what you mean B <sticks nose in the air!>

Hols were Ok, very tiring, but quite good really. Thanks for asking. Am fairly exhausted now, but have brown arms and face.

Sometimes wish I could run away.

ppeatfruit Wed 22-Aug-12 08:40:10

OI BBB other weirdy woman here grin smile morning !!!!!! yeah Solo (glad yr holyers were okay!) He IS a sexy maaaan and his voice is loverleee !!!!

When I put on the C.D. I lie back and go to sleep -trance- in a second and wake refreshed at the end, it's great IMO.

Welcome Starlight Don't be put off by us we may sound odd but we're smashing this is actually the nicest thread on MN. and we're proud of it aren't we?

Hi ppeat, yes we are lovely (are we allowed to say that - it seems a bit showysmile) and I feel slightly ashamed of having rekindled the debate about the alleged sexiness or not of Mr McK's voice.

<<gives self a good talking to - don't put people off people listening to the CD before they have even started>>blush

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 22-Aug-12 10:17:42

BBB grin

Yes we are allowed to say we are wonderful.

I've had a bit of a word with myself the last couple of days and I'm in a more positive frame of mind. Have managed to listen to the CD a couple of nights in a row as well which has helped I can tell.
Glam wedding is two weeks this coming weekend, I really would like to lose just a couple of pounds and I would feel a lot less heffalumpish grin

ppeatfruit Wed 22-Aug-12 10:34:21

OOh what are you going to wear Ali? grin

Never be ashamed BBB especially of rekindling the TRUTH (there's no debate as far as I'm concerned) grin!!!

Solo Wed 22-Aug-12 15:14:44

grin <swooooons!!>

betterthannext Wed 22-Aug-12 17:48:15

can I join please? I lost 5 stones with this about 2 and a half years ago but after hysterectomy last year the weight has crept back on and I am now pushing a size 14/16 which I hate after being an 8/10

HaveALittleFaith Wed 22-Aug-12 17:57:34

Hello and welcome better!! Welcome to the best Way Of Eating ever. Tis brilliant. It really works. Do you have the book and CD?

HaveALittleFaith Wed 22-Aug-12 17:58:18

Opps sorry - welcome back!

betterthannext Wed 22-Aug-12 18:02:20

No it`s ok not welcome back .I did it by myself last time. After reading the book I just did the 4 step thingy and listened to my cd night and morning

HaveALittleFaith Wed 22-Aug-12 18:05:00

Being on this thread is te junky thing that's kept me on it. Like applying the advantages of the social side of a slimming club but with the brilliant workable rules of Pauling smile

ppeatfruit Thu 23-Aug-12 08:34:41

Welcome betterthannext i've gone from exactly the same vanity sizing 14\16 to 8\10 and am maintaining (justgrin) it does work on the all the rules but i've always eaten by my blood type for health so don't eat what i want exactly.

have I love the 'junky' thing we're not that bad are we? grin morning all BTWgrin our DD is coming over on sat. and I'm off your side of the channel next Wed. for a while so won't be on here much; keep trucking everyone smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 24-Aug-12 12:25:16

Hi everyone smile How are we all getting on.

I read some of the book last night in bed, and tried doing the tap-tap cravings away on biscuits because they've become a problem item recently! Wasn't sure if I could notice anything at the time, but this morning I cannot bring myself to go near the biscuit barrel even though I am actually hungry!
I am going to do the same for cheap chocolate and also crisps.

HaveALittleFaith Fri 24-Aug-12 12:51:21

Interesting about the tapping impact. I find regurgitating an excellent way to avoid certain food stuffs (but I wouldn't recommend it). I saw my GP last night and have my first ante-natal appointment booked for next Thursday. He did say something about 'a little bit of a weight problem' hmm obviously that puts me at higher risk, especially of GD so I've had bloods done today for fasting blood sugar, thyroid and FBC. Immediately on getting home I was motivated to go for a 3.7k walk! I'm determined not to let myself go whilst diffed. Scales today say 13 stone (yay) so that's what I was before I went on holiday and is over 8lb lighter than when j was weighed at the gynae clinic 6 weeks ago so I'm rather proud of myself. I've decided to plough on with the cd regardless imagining a healthy pregnant me smile last night I only got as far as make the image bright before I konked though!

Well done Faith! Are you very short or something? 13 stone doesn't sound wildly over weight to me and I think I was that when I got pregnant with DS2 (heavier than when I gave birth to DS1 though) and nobody batted an eyelid. However, you were talking to a doctor not the midwife so I suppose they go by the book, not being experts maybe? It helps to lose a lot in the beginning I think. I only put on 16 and 18lbs with my two pregnancies, lost it all within 2 weeks of giving birth. It was the end of bf that saw me piling on the weight. Sadly, post DS2 and no more babies, there was nothing to stop it keep on piling! blush

I have never done the tapping. Don't know why. It sounds like I should!

HaveALittleFaith Fri 24-Aug-12 14:42:17

I'm 5'4 1/2 so not very tall but not tiny. Look slimmer than I weigh I think!

ppeatfruit Fri 24-Aug-12 15:27:59

I think the BMI that the medics use now is very low (before instigating it medics went by a different yardstick) I remember reading that it made average weight people become overweight!

I agree. I'm 5'6-7 ish and I would like to get down to a weight of 11st. And I mean that is my ideal target that I'm not sure I could ever actually achieve. According to the BMI charts this would put me at the bottom of the overweight category hmm. I would so not be overweight. The BMI things say I could be as low as 8.5st and still be ok, but I was 10 stone when I came back from travelling for 4 months and I was perfect (weight wise, well, alright, in every sense wink) so no way I could be 1.5 st lower than that without removing some bones.

Sadly it's all academic at the mo as I'm still in the obese category confused - mind you a couple more lbs and I'll graduate to 'only' being overweight grin

HaveALittleFaith Fri 24-Aug-12 16:47:58

Yes I have to be under 10st 10lb to be 'normal'. I would be very, very slender. I believe I am designed to have curves!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 24-Aug-12 17:36:38

BBB - I am just a shade under 13 stone and my BMI is horrible because I'm so short - you are quite tall aren't you?

I have to be 10st 3lbs to have a normal BMI. Which is realistically not going to happen. I would be so happy with 10st 10lbs, because I would be a nice 12/14 and still have my boobs grin

I'm 5ft 7" so 11st 4lb is the gateway to 'normal' for me.

If I was 8st 5lb I would look just awful. My lowest weight was 9st 7lb and I was told I looked gaunt. Like Faith though, I think I look slightly less than I am. I read about people the same height and weight as me who are 2 or even 3 dress bigger than me so I am obviously a bit dense.grin

Sadly, I am a long way from being overweight. I am still firmly in obese but I am working on it. I am just short of a stone lighter than I was in February. I wish I was making quicker progress but I am glad to see that for the last 6 months I have at least been going in the right direction consistently rather than being up and down as I was before.

It is a shame that midwives are using BMI now. I don't think it is a very good measure really (too big bands and unrealistic for several body types) and I prefer hip to waist ratio and waist measurement. I have read several things recently that suggest the HCP are having doubts too.

Meant to say that my DS1 was recorded as being overweight at some school measuring thing, I think when he was in yr 6. His BMI was too high for his age. What it didn't take into account was that he is as tall and well built as somebody 3 years older than he is who with the same weight and height would be deemed to have a normal BMI. He is slim but muscular (hitting puberty quite early I think) and yet he is supposed to be verging on obese. He couldn't care less and I don't think he even read the letter but it could be quite damaging if the child found out. I don't know whose stupid idea it was to give children a BMI!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 24-Aug-12 18:58:15

BBB - my parents are HCPs and consider BMI to be a load of shite, as do many of their colleagues.
I think that as people become more aware of the benefits of a larger lean muscle mass in terms of helping the body deal with sugars etc, the more BMI looks outdated because it takes no consideration of what the weight is made up of.

HaveALittleFaith Fri 24-Aug-12 19:12:38

Sadly I carry all my weight round my stomach so my hip to waist ratio isn't much better!

Thank goodness for that Ali!! I have had several run-ins on MN over the years about BMI because it just seems so random to me but some people seem to swear by it. I even got told that there is no such thing as different frame sizes - that big boned was a myth put about by the overweight to make themselves feel better. And yet if differing frame size is such a myth, why would one person at 5" 7' look slim and healthy at 8st 5lb or whatever it was and another look gaunt and ill. Surely it depends what sort of frame it is all resting on?

And, whilst I am on my soap box, if we are all identical under our various layers of blubber at 5ft 7" and the differences are only fat, how is that one person can have size 4 feet and others size 7 or 8 or that one person can weight more than another and still be the same dress size?

Buy, stepping off my soapbox, no matter what way I look at it, I can't kid myself that I am anything but obese. Sad but true! smile

Well put BBB - DH and I were having just this conversation the other day about how people we each know that are the same height as each of us are much smaller / bigger boned (mostly they were smaller!) but I have a friend who is the same height who has been 8st ish - she was pretty thin but I swear she has a more 'petite' frame. I mean for starters I have massive boobs. Even when I was 10st and a size 10 they were still an E/F cup. I'm not saying they weigh a lot exactly but it all makes for a different build. I have a fairly muscular build (under the current layers of fat!).

Also we were talking about it while watching the Olympics about how some people just have a different build, or different attributes that make them better at a sport.

And like Faith I carry my weight around the lower stomach so my hip: waist ratio is probably about 1:1!

How are you doing btw Faith - I'm still grin about your news!

HaveALittleFaith Fri 24-Aug-12 20:38:41

Easy to Paul when pregnant! Feeling tired and pukey and hardly eating anything!

Looking after DNephew tonight. He hardly ate any tea, been quite cheeky, got hysterical when the shower was a bit too warm and then he pooed in the bath! Baptism of fire! DH called me in because apparently he doesn't know how to deal with it hmm because I do?! He is in bed now! Phew! smile

Oh yuck Faith, I hope DH retrieved the poo from the bath with you in your delicate state. How old is Dnephew?

<<hopes for Faith's sake that he isn't 14>>grin

I remember when I was expecting DS2, about 7 weeks gone. DS1 had a tummy bug, was sick in a bucket in the lounge but managed to kick over the bucket on the way to the bathroom with DH to get cleaned up. Brand new carpet, only down about 6 weeks and I still remember sobbing that I shouldn't have to be scrubbing a brand new carpet in my condition, whilst on my hands and knees feeling rough and hormonal and scrapping vomit off the carpet. Happy days. smile

Whilst I am very pleased for you Faith, I find myself very happy it isn't me! I think I have well and trully come to terms with the fact that I won't be having any more babies!

Faith we used to have a sieve that we kept for just that purpose! Yet to have that particular fun task with ds2 but I'm sure it will come smile

HaveALittleFaith Fri 24-Aug-12 21:33:04

Nope he stood there panicking! I retrieved a rubber love thank God they were to hand used a washing up bowl to sieve most of it. DNephew is 3 in September, only recently potty trained. DH should probably have put him on the loo before he put him in the bath but hey ho. DH is not good with things gross or medical. He still hasn't ever changed a pooey nappy - that'll be changing!

Someone at work guessed today - she knows we've been TTC, she has PCOS and DD was a clomid win after 3 years TTC and last dose of clomid! So she has supported me on our journey. She came into the office (about something else) and said I'd seemed much happier the last week or so and was there any particular reason for it?! I knew she'd guess! To be honest BBB, I don't know if we'll have more than one. I don't know if I could TTC again!

DS1 only poo'd in the bath once, DS2 more than that but not often but I remember at the time reading that putting them on the toilet before the bath won't necessarily help. The warm water can encourage them to open their bowels even if they didn't have the urge before they got in.

HaveALittleFaith Fri 24-Aug-12 21:46:10

He's got pretty good but only in the last 3 weeks. I think it's more he was having so much fun with DH by the time he realised he needed to poo - he did say he needed a poo - it was out! Oh well. Worse things happen at sea!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 25-Aug-12 22:28:44

Faith - sympathies. Bath poos are grim at the best of times grin

We went out for lunch today, and I didn't eat my whole meal. No room for dessert either.
Plodded round town then for hours trying to get various things done/bought/organised - DH is off work this week so we have a massive task list as well as trying to have some fun time with the boys. We picked up DS1's glasses - bless him he looks so cute but I miss seeing his face without them if that makes any sense?

ppeatfruit Mon 27-Aug-12 09:23:07

morning all!! REf. BMI index I think we should start a campaign to have it stamped out grin it's total nonsense.

I must admit to be being very hmm about most medics IM long E I've met one really good doc. I good consultant (including complementary and private) and 2 really good Midwives the rest are divided into hmm or averageish.

MardyBra Mon 27-Aug-12 11:14:58

Back from holidays. Haven't been consciously Pauling, but swam loads and only put on one pound despite copious wine. need to read back and catch up.

MardyBra Mon 27-Aug-12 11:15:57

<waves to everyone>.

ppeatfruit Tue 28-Aug-12 08:32:48

Hi Mardy and all!!! smile BBB How was the carfest?

Morning all. Hope you had a good bank holiday.

ppeat - very wet on Saturday which made it a bit of a drag. DH and DS1 saw plenty of cars but I had to sit through some thing about dangerous bugs with DS2. We couldn't even see and he refused to go to the front to have a look properly. Thankfully it was indoors! He liked the buffalo too but was a bit bored by the cars like me. I do like the sound of a good throaty roar on the car but you can only have so much before the novelty wears off. Saw the preliminary judging of cakes v pies. They all looked extremely edible to me!

The sun shone on Sunday. Saw Mary and Salty Dog but they were on the main stage judging cakes v pies final and nobody thought to film them and show them on the big screen which was a shame. Salty was on the side of pies and chose a chicken, leek and cream affair. Others were booted off for having a soggy bottom (you know what he's like - it was very GBB!) and Mary judged the cakes and chose a boozy fruit cake. In the end they couldn't chose a winner and Chris Evans decided it would be a draw. It was v. funny how all the blokes wanted the pies to win and all the women and children wanted cakes. Certainly our household comformed to type!

More cars, more music and loads of posh food to look at. It was a good weekend and we'd probably go again. We got in no problem as we went in the way local traffic was directed and it was a breeze. I was dreading another Goodwood style queue.

Erratic eating though. We bought fish and chips Saturday night as we couldn't face cooking after being out all day and I went a bit OTT in the evening probably because I hadn't had much all day. Definite Pauling slip up! Sunday I did a roast before we went. We managed to resist the temptation of all the different types of food on offer except ice cream. There was a lot of walking so hopefully an excess was worked off.

Next dose of baking porn tonight ppeat. Looking forward to it! smile

HaveALittleFaith Tue 28-Aug-12 11:06:49

Sounds like fun BBB! if a little damp! I saw two tickets advertised for Saturday in our local co-op and was tempted but I didn't have the energy to travel.

I am rather proud of myself. I had a bit of oomph last night so I pre-cooked healthy (ish) meals from scratch - cheese & potato pie, bolognese and chilli so I have healthy, easy to heat meals in the freezer for the nights we are too tired to cook proper meals rather than relying on junk food. Good eh?!

Morning all - how are you all. Sorry for absence I just seem to be soooo busy at the mo!

Good effort on your healthy cooking Faith - how are you feeling now? Cheese and potato pie sounds yum - will you share your recipe? Well, the bolognese and Chilli sound nice too but I already know how to make them grin

Hi Faith - it was a bit of a test of endurance. There was a lot of walking. It was probably best you didn't go this year. You would have been flaked out in the corner before it even got started, if you are anything I was in your condition. It sounds like they will do it again next year if they can so the *3* of you can go and you'll be less tired maybe smile

Cheese and potato pie sounds like excellent morning sickness medicine. I lived off baked potatoes but only with butter and also tomatoes and pickled onions, which with hindsight sounds a bit weird. Potatoes are great if you feel ropey though.

Actually it wasn't the walking as such (before I sound a total wimp), more the standing around because you couldn't sit on the wet ground that wore me out. That and the big hill to go up on the way home.

HaveALittleFaith Tue 28-Aug-12 11:45:37

Yup definitely wouldn't have hacked it then!

Ok cheese pie - my DMum's recipe - I don't really do measurements with this but basically:
-Boil enough potatoes for the people you're feeding - I usually do about 4 large which does 4 portions - and boil with a chopped onion in the water.
-mash when very soft - use little butter/no milk
-add a teaspoon of mustard (secret ingredient)
-add cheese to taste. At least half a block. I like to use two different types like cheddar and red leicester for colour and flavour.
-stir/mash in.
-bake until getting crispy, add a little more grated cheese on top and melt.
-serve with salad smile

ooooh, wow so it's really like (delicious sounding) baked mashed potato? I love love love mashed potato - that sounds awesome! And you keep the onion in when you mash it?

Sounds delish smile

I really have to get on and do some tidtying!. DS2 is asleep in his bouncy chair and DS1 is being babysat by cBeebies (awesome parent me hmm) and I am supposed to be tidying the office and filing a load of stuff but here I am MNing.....

Actually your resipe reminds me vaguely of a sausage, bean and cheese delicacy we used to cook at university, Invented by DH on our student budget we affectionately called it Slop hmm. Cook sausages, boil potatoes, mash potatoes and stir in with the sausages and a tin of baked beans, then put cheese on top and cook in the oven. It was lush smile

resipe?

You'd think with about a billion cookery books I'd be able to spell recipe confused

ppeatfruit Tue 28-Aug-12 15:50:45

Thanks BB shame about the rain at carfest (i agree that you can def. have enough of brmm brmm brmm grin). I'm sad 'cos i'm off to Blighty for 3 Tuesdays and GBBO is on at the same time as GD.s bedtime and DIL has no telly; is it repeated on saturday do you know? I just googled it but can't find the info.

ppeatfruit Tue 28-Aug-12 16:29:04

It's ok i found out it's repeated on Sunday 11.30 hooray!

Yes and on Saturday if you have access to the HD channel.

Do they not have a computer ppeat? You can always watch it on iplayer but it isn't the same unless you have a decent broadband connection, I know.

How people do without a telly I don't know! I am a weak and feeble woman though. I know I shouldn't be glued to it or the computer as much as I am!!

Solo Tue 28-Aug-12 22:21:19

I'm still here!!! <waves> smile

Hello Solo - hope you are OK.smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 30-Aug-12 01:03:49

Hi everyone - I'm here too! Been feeling weird for a couple of days and not Pauling very well, and AF has turned up this evening which explains it all!

DH is off work this week so we have been having some family time and trying to get a few things sorted around the house. Went to a lovely national trust place yesterday, and this morning we braved town for the haircut/shoes/glasses/final uniform trip. I cannot believe my baby is starting school!
I also cannot believe that his feet have grown another size in the 2 weeks since I last had him measured! angry

Hope you are all doing ok smile

Hi Ali, I have a boy (DS2) with very fast growing feet which grow in spurts so growing a size in a short space of time isn't unknown but I think sometimes the 'growth' is down to the measuring. DS2 had his feet measured at size 4.5 about a month ago which is what they were about 6 months previously. He still ended up being fitted with size 6.5 trainers.hmm Something isn't right there, so if it was Clarks I think there might be a rogue/rookie shoe fitter in there. Not that it helps much if you have shelled out for shoes and if you aren't sure which measurement is right.

I wish I had said something about DS's trainers actually because they look too big to me but I am never sure exactly how to get the right fit and he needed something as his old ones were falling apart. DS should have been a girl the way he loves shoes so tends to say what will get him a new pair and isn't always honest about whether things fit ime. He'd have a different pair of trainers every week if he had his way, and a new pair of converse every time his laces were anything less than bright white!

I remember the feeling of sending my PFB off to school on his first day. It is very bitter sweet so I wish you luck when your turn comes - you just don't know how it will be really. Thankfully DS1 took to it like a duck to water and didn't want to come home the first day. DS2 was a lot harder despite being nearly a whole year older as a Sept born than July born DS1 was. However, I was a hardened veteran of being a parent of a school age child so wasn't quite so emotional about it all. I am grateful I didn't get the hard to settle one first. I'll keep everything crossed that it goes well for you. smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 30-Aug-12 01:33:55

Thanks BBB smile I loathe Clarks, so we go to the Jones in town. DS2 is going to cost me a fortune in shoes - very high instep and an H width fitting. hmm

Must sleep, the boys will be up at 7 as normal no doubt!

HaveALittleFaith Thu 30-Aug-12 21:10:28

Hello my beautiful Paulettes!

Bonne chance with the little uns starting/returning to school!

I am ruddy grin. I had my first midwife appointment. She weighed me and put my BMI at....29! woo hoo! So I'm not 'at high risk'. Ace! I'm still listening to the CD at night although I fall asleep so quickly these days I barely get to imaging myself skinny smile can't wait to get a dining table (hopefully next week) to eat off properly.

Hope you're all well!

Solo Fri 31-Aug-12 02:35:04
Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 01-Sep-12 22:51:38

Faith well done on the BMI! grin

I am having a bad few days, self-sabotage a go-go here. Going to take myself off to bed and read some of the book and then listen to the CD.

Very quiet round here, isn't it? Shall we all start again next week when we have sent got rid of the children back to school?

Actually mine don't go back until Tuesday and we are having a pub lunch tomorrow as we thought it would be a nice way to finish off the hols - we are taking my mum and brother too as my brother has the day off and my mum is free to go out whilst my dad is in hospital. Probably I shall have to start again really proper properly on Tuesday.

Scales looked a little too high yesterday but it is that time of the month when it all goes to pot so hopefully next weekend I shall have lost it all again. Fingers crossed anyway. I don't seem to have done too badly this year since school hols are usually a bad time for me when I put some on so I hope it hasn't all gone pear shaped in the last couple of weeks. I'm keeping the faith that I have done OK. It would be nice to reach a stone in weight loss since I got serious again in February for Lent. I was only lb off losing a stone but now I am 2.5lbs off target. <<sigh>> Damn those periods.

Ali - when does your DS start school? I am guessing not this week but I have heard they have cut back on the amount of part time and staggered starts they do since DS2 started school 4 years ago so maybe he does start this week too. I know you are a bit wobbly but how is he? Is he looking forward to it?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 03-Sep-12 13:31:47

BBB - he starts next Tuesday - very pleased it isn't Monday as our flight back from the wedding lands 5pm Sunday night!
He is doing mornings for 2 weeks, then morning+lunch for 2 weeks and then full-time.

We had 3 options, with this being the middle road. The very staggered option was messy we felt, and DS1 doesn't do change very well - he likes to know what is going on!

He got very wobbly last week, said he was so excited but felt sad because everything is changing (this is as much to do with his new glasses as anything I feel). He had a big sob, and we talked about things and he seems much better. He is really looking forward to going and his teacher and TA are coming to visit tomorrow morning which he is very excited about! <must clean the house> grin

Solo Mon 03-Sep-12 15:50:46

Hi all smile Ds is back tomorrow...I almost sent him in today, but luckily he was talking to his friend on fb and was told it isn't until Tuesday!!! blush
Dd goes back on Weds to year 1. How time has flown sad

I start back at work on January 3rd and I need and want to lose at least 14lbs before then. Please help me girls. I don't want to have to order bigger uniform, I want to go back in what I have in the wardrobe because I washed ironed the blooming lot nearly 6 years ago!! so I have to knuckle down and seriously lose some more flab!! If I can lose another stone, that'll take me to about 12.7. I'd be ok with that, though 12st would be better.
Pp would you mind sending me by PM your belly buster and the neck exercises too please.

Good luck with all the back to schools.

I did actually take DS2 back to playgroup a week early once. blush He went to a nursery in the middle of nowhere and you could virtually see the tumbleweed blowing through the car park. I am thankful that because it was a small village there was nobody there to see us! I think we all do it at least once or nearly do it enough.

Ali - poor DS1. It sounds like an emotional rollercoaster which of course it is, for him and for you. It will be fine though. It is good that he is happy enough to go but he is right and very mature to notice, it is a big change and nothing will be the same again. Doesn't mean it won't be great but it certainly won't be the same. Looking back on the freedom of pre school days to now, I miss going on holiday when I chose the most. We used to like going in June although thankfully that would have been a big mistake this year with all the rain. The summer hols have been half decent weatherwise, haven't they? Not wall to wall sunshine and heat but enough nice days to feel OK about it.

Solo, I reckon losing 14lbs by Jan will be a piece of cake for you. It is probably a lb a week - haven't counted the number of weeks but it must be about that. it doesn't sound so bad when you say it like that. I would like to be able to match you. Perhaps we should egg each other on. smile

How are you feeling about going back? Resigned to it or looking forward to it?

The other thing I am working towards is our holiday next year which we are hoping will be a week abroad (France or Germany) so I don't want to be the size I am now for that. There aren't so many large people over there as here and it shows if you start looking too closely. Not a good idea for your self esteem but necessary for motivation I find.

I also need to sort DS2 out who seems to have put on a lot of weight recently. DS1 did the same thing at 8 and is now pretty slim without any effort. DS2 hasn't grown upwards for ages so I am hoping that will help when he finally has a growth spurt but in the meantime we need to think more about diet. I need to set a good example for his sake as much as anything.

<<ponders whether saying losing weight will be 'a piece of cake for you' is really in the spirit of the thread>> blush

Solo Mon 03-Sep-12 18:52:28

grin BB I guess it does sound better at a lb a week... I am sadly resigned to returning. I'm dreading it, really dreading it if I'm honest. I don't know how I'll do it at all...I'll go to moany and go into more detail for this later on.

Oh and you reminded me of the time I drove Ds to school (before Dd, so he was under 8) before he was due back. I got him to scoot down in the seat so that anyone seeing me wouldn't know what I'd done! grin

Not having a great week so far.

Where is everybody?!

Hope you are all OK and doing a bit better than me.smile

And Solo come and moan on the moany thread. Nobody has had this month's big moan yet. smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 05-Sep-12 09:46:19

Hello hello.

Solo - we will do it together. I am feeling a bit cross with myself because I have lost no weight between the last wedding and this one this weekend. I am fitter, no doubt and possibly slimmer in some areas but nothing very dramatic.

BBB DS seems a lot calmer about everything, I think it is actually his glasses which are upsetting him the most. His TA wears them, and he has really warmed to her so I am hoping that will be a help.

HaveALittleFaith Wed 05-Sep-12 09:54:14

I'm rather pleased because I weighed myself this morning and I've stayed the same since getting diffed smile still going outfit walks, although not as frequently because I'm so tired.

Luckyluckyme Wed 05-Sep-12 10:30:00

Hi, can I join you ladies please?
I'm on day 7. I have the cd and the 90 day journal. I don't have the book so I might get it. 

I'm the heaviest I've ever been at 12st 1oz and only 5' 2". (that was on day 1 so hopefully I'm less than that now) I'm a size 16/18.

I just picked all day really during the school holidays (which were one day short of 11 weeks for us). I don't think I ever felt hungry as I was usually always full. 

It took 3 days for not eating til I'm hungry to click with me. I was so used to eating whenever I got the urge.

I'm amazed at how long between eating it takes for me to feel hungry now and at how little I'm eating without feeling deprived. 

I've never had a problem with eating whatever I want smile

I'm still working on the eating consciously and knowing when I'm full but hopefully I'll get there. 

Wow sorry for the long opening post.  

Hi Lucky - sounds like you're doing really well already! I'm hoping to redouble my efforts now ds1 is back at pre school and things are back to 'normal'. Ds2 turns 6 months at the weekend so will start sleeping in his own room so I'll be listening to the cd before bed (it used to disturb him so I had to stop confused) and hopefully can make some progress again. I've tried to do all the rules over the hols but have eaten before I'm hungry so haven't lost anything (but haven't gained much either so could have been worse!)

Luckyluckyme Wed 05-Sep-12 17:19:05

Thanks Biscuitsandtea I'm doing well with waiting til I'm hungry to eat now but eating consciously and stopping when I'm full hasn't come yet. Hopefully, they'll click at some stage. I'll keep trying.

I think those two really go together lucky so eating consciously allows you to notice you're full and you'll get used to listening to your body and reading the full signal more easily. I think I could do with rereading the book.

HaveALittleFaith Wed 05-Sep-12 17:42:57

Ooh fresh meat! Hello lucky! Sounds like you're off to great start and joining this thread will keep you going smile I've been Pauling for 9 months. Recognising true hunger and waiting to eat are the trickiest things. I would try and get the book if I were you, there's more in it than the CD covers and really opened my eyes.

I am hungry now (I seem to be hungrier since I started growing a baby!) but I am snacking on watermelon. Yum smile how times have changed. I bought plenty of fresh fruit to snack to be healthy and also to help things <ahem> move along in the bowel!

<flash back to having to have bran flakes and prune juice for breakfast> blush

HaveALittleFaith Wed 05-Sep-12 17:56:52

Then factor in that I'm on regular codiene too! Nightmare! Going to GP to get advice on painkillers and whether I should have something to keep me going!

Luckyluckyme Wed 05-Sep-12 18:11:15

Congratulations Havea. Tinned pears used to work for me grin

Does the book have more information than the 90 day journal? I should probably get it. I find sitting down, eating slowly and putting the knife and fork down really hard. I'm used to eating and running or eating while running!

Gosh tinned pears would have been so much nicer than prunes - Bleh!

HaveALittleFaith Wed 05-Sep-12 20:12:31

Sadly I don't like pears or prunes! I bought some not from concentrate juice to help in the mean time.

tb Wed 05-Sep-12 22:04:18

Hi everyone, I haven't been around for a couple of months, and haven't been listening to the tape much at all.

Life went a bit pear-shaped after my uncle came to stay with us in May/June - needed about 2 months of brain bleach to forget the things he said while he was with us.

Have just been referred to an obesity clinic which is opening its doors about 60 miles away next month, and am having blood tests done for it tomorrow. They have a list of 13 things to be analysed - including vitD which is rather interesting. I seem to remember hearing recently about vit D deficiency being implicated in weight gain. ppeat it's the one at St Yrieix that's being built at the moment.

Am also thinking of getting a rowing machine. There's a very inspiring story on the contact2 site about someone who is aiming to get from 600lbs to 250lbs using a rowing machine and going to the gym. I can't get a cheapie one, as I weigh too much - it needs to be an industrial strength one blush Fab how are you doing with doing your dh's?

I also need to start taking my tablets regularly again. I sort went on strike a bit after the endo told me that there isn't anything else they can do with medication. I hate taking tablets that I don't feel do anything for me, nor make me feel any better. Bugger.

Itfinallyhappened Sat 08-Sep-12 12:29:10

Hi all, I'm an oldie who has name changed, i was deafworm back in the dim distant past!

I havent been actively following pm the last few months as ive been pregnant and focussing on that but certainly some of those techniques had become very ingrained, I suspect the seminar made a difference for me on that score, it's certainly helped how I see myself. I've just weighed in for the first time since my bfp and at 1 week postnatal weigh exactly the same as the day I got my bfp. I'm pretty pleased with that! I've set a target of a stone in 3 months (I weigh in on the wii) which would have me at the lowest weight I've been in over 7 years in time for Christmas. I don't intend to worry too much about losing weight any time soon but I know my choices are better than they've ever been so I'm hoping with a bit of a pm refresher it will come away. mainly though I'm aiming to spend lots of time cuddling my lovely new ds! Losing weight and getting fit to be a really active mum for him and his sisters is a pretty strong motivator.

Solo Sun 09-Sep-12 01:08:32

Tb welcome back. Just get right on back in. Rowing machine sounds good; I'm going to try the exercise bike.

Aw! Congratulations IFH!!! you'll always be deafworm to me! grin

So! are we allowed to know any baby details?! <nosey> name, weight etc.

Good for you on the weight front. I weighed less post natally than I did before pregnancy with Dd, but that was due to an over active thyroid...it was events after that that got me fat...so, if you are happy and it certainly sounds that way! grin then you shouldn't have any trouble at all!!
The thread is very quiet right now, but don't let that put you off...it'll pep up again soon I'm sure.

Solo Tue 11-Sep-12 00:10:03

Oh! we are on a go slow aren't we?!!
Well, I've had a truly crap day today. I am however in need of getting into the zone, so must insist on everyone returning forthwith!!!

I have been bitten on my shin ~ not entirely sure by what, but it happened on Saturday night and is almost certainly not a mosquito bite. It hurts as in it's painful, but not itchy. Getting worse. Slightly worried actually.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 11-Sep-12 00:36:24

I'm here! We've been away at a wedding and then DS1 starts school tomorrow so all chaos getting that organised.
DH still jangling my nerves by not just taking the first contract that comes along, argh.

Hope you are all doing ok.

HaveALittleFaith Tue 11-Sep-12 07:04:19

Welcome back tb and IFH!

I'm still lurking, just too tired to do much! Weight remains pretty stable so far which I continue to be pleased about. Sickness got a lot worse yesterday though envy

solo I'd get that checked out, I know a couple of people who have got infected bites this summer. Antibiotics tend to knock them on the head.

Intense times Ali! Does he think he'll get a better offer then?

How is everyone else? Has anyone seen Fab lately?

Itfinallyhappened Tue 11-Sep-12 07:34:28

Thanks solo, yes of course grin Alex, weighed 8lb6oz labour was 2 1/2 hours from start to finish! Unfortunately they needed to start me off due to pre eclampsia, didnt get as far as breaking my waters or the drip though so managed the active labour i wanted. Hope your bite is feeling better?

Thanks faith, hope the sickness improves a bit soon

I've realised this period is the time when I've gained my weight with the other dc, feeling low on energy/tired so eating but not actually hungry, he's feeding like there's no tomorrow so I don't want to scrimp I'm just hoping the hunger signals are adequate for the energy we need if that makes sense? Going to pay more attention today and see how I feel, very definitely still recovering though so not pushing myself to much.

EggInABap Tue 11-Sep-12 13:54:26

Hi everyone

I need your help! I was flying with this about 6 months ago as I had to fit into my wedding dress, well since the wedding I am really struggling to get back in to Paul Mckenna. I have seriously tried about 15 times.

I've always been the same, I need to get into a 'zone' and once I'm in it, it's fantastic. But getting into that zone is what I am struggling with.

I think what doesn't help is the many nights out I've had- the day after I am so ravenously hungry I just binge. It's like my senses don't work when I'm hungover. How does everyone else combat this? (please don't tell me you are all teetotal!)

I know for certain that I DO NOT want to go back on a traditional diet, ever again! I know PM is fantastic because it's for life. I know all these things but my mind is playing tricks on me now telling me to go back to Weight Watchers. HELP!

Solo Wed 12-Sep-12 00:00:44

Yay!! people!! smile

Ali good luck tomorrow for 'littleAli' and his first day smile awww!
Hope your Dh settles on something/someone soon.

HALF I went to docs today; she's given me an antibiotic and steroid cream to try and if that doesn't help/work, she's given me an oral ab and told me to go back if neither work. Bloody hurts I can tell you! kept me awake last night and I think it might do the same tonight too. It is a deep maroon near the bite site and the infection has spread around my shin and the pain further still. Think it was a spider! and to think I let them camp out in my house!! ungrateful beggers!

Deaf he sounds adorable! smile big boy too compared to my two well done!!

Egg welcoime back! I feel the same as you right now. I need to get back into the zone. We'll help each other ~ and everyone else!
I must admit, I drink little and rarely!
I know that diets don't work and will never 'diet' again. Paul McKenna is the dogs doodahs as far as I'm concerned.
WW will not do you any favours; you'll re gain your weight and then some! you know this <pats Egg on the back for being back on the PMK thread. Ties her to the chair so WW's can't kidnap her>
You can do it. I can do it too! Hell! we can allllllll do it smile

Hello! Hope you are all OK.

Solo - that bite sounds nasty. Glad you got it checked out - it doesn't sound normal!

Ali - how did DS1 do yesterday? I hope he was OK for both your sakes. smile

Faith, glad to hear your weight is stable but sorry you are suffering from the MS. How many weeks are you? It doesn't really help when you have your head down the toilet pan but just think that every day you are suffering is one day closer to it being all over. smile

Hello to tb and itfinallyhappened. Welcome back

Congratulations on your new DS Itfinallyhappened! Same thing happened to me. Lost the weight within a week or 2 of giving birth both times and then put it on due to throwing caution to the wind and eating what I liked when I was bf which wasn't too bad but the minute I stopped bf, that was it - the weight started to go on much too easily because I didn't change my eating habits. I would do it differently if I had my time again!

Hello Egg. Welcome. You know it works but finding that zone for whatever reason if hard isn't it? I can't really help you with the drinking, because, yes, I am teetotal - can't stand the taste of alcohol - Sorry! blush. Probably just as well. If I can get to the state I am in with just cake and chocolate and the rest then I dread to think what I would be like if I drank too! We all have our own road to ruin though, don't we? The only thing I can suggest is not drinking as much if you know that overeating is a danger but I know that isn't very helpful! Hopefully somebody who knows what they are talking about will come along soon.smile

HaveALittleFaith Wed 12-Sep-12 12:40:15

Thanks all. The MS is reassuring in some ways to convince me the bean is sticky. Am 7+5 today. Belly is starting to firm up now too!

Hello egg and welcome. I find this thread and listening to the CD each night helps me (I'm still listening despite this baby growing inside of me!) because I find I snack on junk food if I don't. Trying to be healthy for the baby....can't face lunch yet though! I dip in and out of the book too because I get something new from it each time. Don't do WW! I did and ended up feeling like a failure with a BMI of 26! shock Quit and gained it all back! Now I can't drink - not just cos of baby but because of other health problems but I did like a tipple. I used to find drinking plenty of water between alcoholic drinks minimised the hangover and so the bad munchies the next day!

Ouch about the foot solo. Glad you've started treatment but I hope it settles soon.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 12-Sep-12 12:40:54

Hello everyone!

Egg - I know just what you mean, I need to be in the zone and sometimes it is easier than others. With drinking I tend to just think 'oh well' and eat whatever is necessary to feel better/awake the following day - but I don't go out drinking that often so it doesn't really impact me that much.

Solo - ouch! And <shudder> at spider. None are allowed to live here, we have repellant methods aplenty and they get squished on sight grin

Itfinally - congratulations! I know exactly where you are with food and BFing. BUT, I think Paul works really well with it, because if you are hungry then you need to eat. For me, the trick was to eat good food, rather than reach for the biscuits, and try to keep the amount of sugar I was eating under some kind of control. Cheese sandwiches, cold chicken, toast and peanut butter, fruit, bowls of leftover bolognese/casserole/lasagne.

Faith - sympathies. I was really sick with both boys and it is so so horrible. Just sleep whenever you can is my advice, the tiredness just makes it worse.

Thanks for all the good wishes for DS1 smile He had a really good first day, and was equally keen today. He is doing a slightly staggered start, mornings this week and next, and then adding lunch for a week and then full time. When I picked him up today he stopped in the door of the classroom and whispered 'I love school' to himself grin
Feeling really happy about him being there and that we have made the right choice smile

HaveALittleFaith Wed 12-Sep-12 13:07:14

Ali yesterday I got home at 5.30, slept for 2 hours, had tea and went back to bed!! smile my boss knows now and my job is fairly flexible so I'm fortunate in that respect. Gingerly trying some toast now...

I'm so glad your DS is happy!

egg one more -slightly more scientific- thought. Alcohol being full of sugar means you go into overdrive to get rid of it and it can mean a lie blood sugar in the morning. Try having a light snack before bed to settle that down a bit.

Solo Wed 12-Sep-12 13:46:24

Thanks all. The