We always eat above our BMR with MFP, We SAFTFBS and we are EMTWL.

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ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 11:52:15

If you've poked your head around the door of this thread then please read ourOld Thread, read all the posts, all the links and the links within links and then jump in with both feet to a new, better Way Of Eating (WOE)

Roll Up, Roll Up for the all new, amazing thread for those of us who are trying to eat good, healthy, natural foods while counting our calories and eating LOADS!

We had some brilliant successes on the last thread - inches AND pounds lost and lots of people feeling happier, calmer and more focussed on their goals.

Remember that this is NOT a DIET, it is a healthy way of eating. You will NOT lose 5lbs a week - you might even GAIN weight in the first weeks!

TobyLerone Mon 11-Jun-12 11:58:46

<runs in>

<flops down, exhausted>

<eyes fudge>

bunjies Mon 11-Jun-12 12:17:33

Thanks Shirley & great title.

Right, kids back at school and so went swimming this morning for the first time in ages. Did 40 mins of breaststroke but forgot my goggles so wasn't my usual sleek style <collapses laughing hysterically>. MFP says I used about 400 cals so am happy with that. Also, walked back which took 30 mins so pleased with that too although was in the pissing rain and got soaked.

Back to work tomorrow and as I have early starts (up at 6 and at work for 8) usually take breakfast in. So will be doing the fridge oatmeal which I make with 30g oats, 150g greek yoghurt, tbsp of honey/maple syrup and a couple of handfuls of frozen fruit. Overnight the fruit melts and is delish. Had mango this morning and will probably have strawbs/blueberries tomorrow. I do have to add a splash of milk though to loosen it up though.

Lunch today will be a M&S simply fuller longer meal as I'm doing the Mumsnet product test thingy so am having keralan chicken. Looks interesting and about 370 cals so not bad.

On the subject of what to eat for breakfast if you don't like eggs etc I'm a believer that breakfast food doesn't have to be breakfasty IYSWIM. So you could have a wholemeal tortilla wrap with ham, avocado and salad or smoked mackerel. Or how about making a dip by mixing smoked mackerel or some tuna with cream cheese or getting some hummus and having it with oak cakes or veg crudites.

Hope everyone has a great start to the week grin.

addictediam Mon 11-Jun-12 12:25:37

Oooo nice new home, not doing well today, all I've eaten is a slice of homemade banana bread and I've been pinned down ever since by a sleeping baby. I'm hoping to slip away leaving her on the bed and I think for lunch its going to be a cheese sandwich, dried fruit, mixed nuts and carrot sticks.

I was planning on going on a run this evening but with the rain I think I may just do some wii zumba instead grin

Maryz Mon 11-Jun-12 12:28:17

Hello, I fell off last week - I was away, then the kids were on holidays and the house was full of crap.

I am starting again tomorrow, as I'm going out tonight

Oh dear. I haven't put any weight on though [hopeful]

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 12:43:10

I've been rubbish as well Mary! I've gone up a belt notch - but, but, BUT! I think this is probably a bit of water retention. grin

<sucks in stomach>

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 12:55:52

Just checking into this thread smile

Am feeling so motivated by the losses people have had and the fact that I rarely feel hungry anymore, and if I do, I just have a handful of nuts which I adore but have always been forbidden food before grin

I am going on holiday in 6 weeks so am hoping I lose some before then - not that it is likely that I will need a swimming costume as we are only going to the south coast grin

AllMuddledUp Mon 11-Jun-12 13:06:20

Just quickly marking place, having a mega busy day. Be back later!

foosty Mon 11-Jun-12 13:19:19

ooh, shiny new thread!

feeling knackered right now...trying to motivate myself to go and do some kind of exercise when really I just want a nap...

been good with food though. might skip the gym. Have walked about 1 mile anyway..at a toddler's pace. does that count?

how do you get yourself moving when you're dead beat?

<stamps foot> onto new thread.
I am not logging exercise, so not worried about amounts above TDEE-15%, as know I've been doing more exercise than usual.
Major flooding here.
This morning's exercise has been moving all vulnerable rugs, cushions, food, CDs, books, toys etc upstairs. Go away rain. Come on drain-unblocker-people.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 11-Jun-12 13:57:00

That's awful Seventh - I was just remembering this morning when we had the floods in Glos a few years ago. Not that we were flooded, but we had no water for a good week/10 days, and restricted travel. I've never been thrilled to arrive at a campsite before but I was that year!

Hope the worst doesn't happen.

amalur Mon 11-Jun-12 14:04:04

Checking in. I have eaten the nuts I was saving for snacking already...

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 14:09:06

foosty - I think just knowing that I'll get a big old energy boost AFTER exercise helps to motivate me.

seventh - ARGH! I'm crossing my legs, fingers, toes <cramp!> and eyes that all will be well.

I work next to a river and it's running at the highest level I've ever seen it ( in 5 years!!), this is after it being at the very lowest just a month or two ago (the rocks in the river bed were drying out shock).

Fucking. Rain.

bunjies Mon 11-Jun-12 15:09:30

Oh shit Seventh - fingers crossed for you. All that lugging stuff upstairs must surely be worth a few hundred cals on MFP wink <grasps at silver lining straw>.

I hate this rain too. It's the middle of fucking June for fucks sake angry.

Quite impressed with the M&S ready lunch thing. Not bad tasting and quite filling although I wouldn't think it would be enough for me for dinner. Would probably bulk it out with more veg.

Have spent most of the afternoon shifting furniture around in ds' pit room. He has way too much stuff in there but have managed to sort it so his drawers can be accessed without contorting oneself although the clearance between said drawers and door is now only an inch but hey ho.

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 15:25:53

Right, I am not sure I am calculating this calorie thing correctly when I have done exercise.

My TDEE-15% = 2100 calories a day which, if I don't do any exercise that day, is fine.

However, I am getting confused when I do exercise. So, for example, today, I have burnt 839 calories according to MFP with exercise. So, if i eat 2100 calories, my net calorie intake is 2100-839 = 1261 calorie intake today. So, I need to get this up to my BMR figure of 1600 so I need to eat an extra 339 calories on top of my daily 2100 calorie intake - is that correct? That is what I have been doing but am wobbling a bit today that I have been doing it wrong and have been eating far too much confused

I have over 600 calories left over today (and I have already counted my tea and had a double decker blush) and I don't know what else to eat!!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 11-Jun-12 15:42:10

Hello hello! Good to see everyone is still doing well grin

We are just back from holiday, and I have eaten loads and loads, and also drunk vast amounts of wine. Had a lovely time grin

I will be logging again from tomorrow, might hold off the weighing and measuring for a few days to let any water retention disappear hmm

I've been following this since it started on chat and really like the sound of it. I'm the type that can be really strict all week but then 'treat' myself at the weekend and end up binging badly.

The trouble is I'm such a lard arse that my bmr is really high, let alone my tdee-15%, so I don't think I can physically eat as much as them while eating healthy and not being sick!

My main aim is to eat much less processed food and make everything I can from scratch, is it ok if I just consistently eat as much as I can without going over.

My other issue is that I prefer eating a vegan diet so while I get enough protein to be healthy I don't think I can ever hit 30%. I've done a couple of test diaries using my homemade recipes and I keep just hitting 18% protein, around 55% carbs and the rest fat (can't even work it out without looking, my maths is poor!)

Anyway sorry for that epic write up, I just need to get out ofthis starve binge cycle. Thanks for all the info so far as well

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 15:52:25

ceebee - Is 1600 your BMR? The only thing you need to remember is that your NET CALORIES must also add up to 1600.

So yes, If you've done 800 calories worth of exercise then you will need to "eat back" enough to bring your net to 1600.

This is why, I think, over on the MFP group there is a...dislike...of cardio exercise, because it can make it difficult to get your net up to your BMR.

What sort of exercise are you doing and how are you calculating your burn?

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:00:28

Hi spicy.

Consistency is the key really, and to make sure that you are NEVER under your BMR.

Let's say your BMR is 2,000 per day, then I would advocate starting out eating a good 2,200 per day, EVERY DAY for a few weeks and then slowly increase up to your TDEE less 15%.

This is quite interesting

You will be surprised at how much you will be able - AND WANT -to eat once you are a few weeks into this WOE. The crap, the binging, the starving fucks up our metabolism and our bodies are so clever and built for survival that it just adjusts our hunger levels to compensate for the perceived famine.

Once you start feeding the fire of your metabolism, I promise you, that you will suddenly think "Oh shit, I've only got 100 cals left, and I could definitely eat something!" grin

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 16:13:14

Shirley thanks for the info - sorry to bang on about this but can I just clarify that I need to eat my 2100 calories plus any extra to get to my BMR of 1600?

I do Combat/Attack/Spinning classes 4 or 5 times a week plus weight training twice a week. So today, I have done combat plus walked for 30 minutes (albeit at the pace of a 3 year old wink). I am using the calorie burn figures from MFP but they are similar to those used on Weight Loss Resources which i have used in the past plus I did use a heart rate monitor once in a Combat class and the MFP is nearly the same as that.

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:20:42

What do you have your activity logged as? If you're in at MODERATE exercise while doing massive burns 5 x times a week then it's wrong!

You'll need to recalculate I think, choosing (erm heavy?! wink) the next level up from moderate - this way I think it will increase your TDEE (less cut) and you will balance out a little more easily.

Why not post on the MFP EMTWL discussion board? They are SO helpful over there, and they'll be able to steer you in the right direction I'm sure...

be prepared though to be told to cut your cardio and incorporate some heavy weight lifting. They're mad for it!

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:23:36

Oh and yes...here's an example:

My BMR is 1,500.

My TDEE (with 15% cut) is 2,000.

Today I will eat 2,000 calories. If I burn 800 calories in a class my NET calories will be = 1,200 calories. I will need to eat an additional 300 calories to bring my NET cals up to my BMR of 1,500.

<maths>

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Mon 11-Jun-12 16:26:44

Hello everyone

I really need to lose weight (am 15st at 5 foot 2, dress size 18/20), improve my diet and increase my energy levels.

I'm going to spend some time later trying to work out what I need to eat... I'll be back.

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 16:33:47

Shirley thank you - your example matches what I have been doing so I am doing it right grin

I did ponder about whether to choose moderate or vigorous exercise when I was doing the Scooby calculator so I went for the cautious approach (see, still can't get out of the 'lower calorie = better' way of thinking blush). Maybe I should change it? Tbh, although I love the classes and would do them anyway, one of the reasons I do them so much is just so I can eat more so there is no way I am cutting them out wink

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:39:24

Me too ceebee. I'm on moderate because even though MOST weeks I will do 5 x classes/runs/gym sessions/swims, SOME weeks I will only rack up 3 or like last week 2...there's still that old voice in the back of my head saying "eat less = weigh less" even though it's patently not the case!

I've been reading through some other diety threads today and the most startling thing about the low cal/low fat ones is the amount of people saying "I've done this before and lost 3 stone, but I've put it all back, and a bit more! Just got to be stricter!!" and I just think sad.

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 16:42:03

I have just been back on the Scooby calculator and the next option up from the moderate one is '5-6 hours of strenuous activity' which I really don't fall into - as you say, 5 classes a week is a good week (it all depends on DH being at home and not working away) - I probably average 4 classes a week so I think I will stick with moderate smile

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:55:59

The EMTWL group over at MFP now have a Facebook page.Link

AllMuddledUp Mon 11-Jun-12 17:01:53

Argh, my food has been shite lately!

Just had pizza and wedges for tea blush we are out of healthy foods again and DH decided to injure his back so we haven't been able to get to shops today. I'm not enjoying these foods much any more anyway. Tonight I'm going to do a mega shopping list to cover all meals and hope we can get to the supermarket tomorrow.

I need to eat a lot cleaner, with fresh ingredients. I want to enjoy preparing and eating food again. Does anyone have any favourite recipes I could try?

DD2 age 4 has just made a new version of the national anthem, replacing the word Queen with bottom grin hope she doesn't sing it at school tomorrow!

Hi all,
Water staying away from my door for the moment. Bedrooms full of stuff though, and water over the top of DS's wellies, so we are staying in and going a bit stir crazy! Rain seems to have eased a little bit.

Seriously, I am astounded at all you people struggling to eat enough calories - even taking out all the treats from my food diary, I always eat 2000 with no trouble at all.

I think the thing is, the 4 classes are not the only activity you do - It's not like you are lying in bed unless you are in an aerobics class grin. So if you do 3 hours of cardio, and also do a few long walks a week, cycle around etc, that possibly does push you into the next one up.

Some people really do very little activity. My mother (nurse) was recruiting for a study recently, to show effects of exercise on diabetes. The people entering the study had to be doing less than 90 minutes of activity a week. And there were plenty of people who fitted into that category, who were perfectly able to join the study and start exercising.

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 17:13:00

Seventh no, I normally have no problem ever eating my calories (I am gluttony personified wink) but I am just not particularly hungry today which is unusual for me!

Have just had a small bowl of Shreddies as a snack - am missing my DS1 who has gone to a friends to play this afternoon - he is my football-watching buddy and it is not the same without him!

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 11-Jun-12 17:14:20

Muddled, could you place an online order for delivery tomorrow? I know it's short notice, but if you try the different supermarkets you can sometimes find a next-day delivery slot.
We're having roast beef tonight with potatoes boulangere (can't find the accent key) - easypeasy, low fat and scrummy potatoes. Just scrub, slice and layer them alternatively in a greased dish with chopped onions and seasoning. Pour over 1/4pt of milk and some beef stock to cover, then cook for about 45 mins at 180.
We don't often have a 'meat and two veg' meal but DH went shopping yesterday

AllMuddledUp Mon 11-Jun-12 17:35:31

Sorry seventh, meant to ask if everything is okay? Fingers crossed the rain stops soon and the water goes down.

Shotgun, those potatoes sound gorgeous! Will give those a try thank you. I reckon DH will be okay to drive tomorrow, I'll just have to do all the trolley pushing and lifting of bags- it'll be as good as a workout! I'm just so fed up of eating the same food all the time.

I'm redecorating the girls' room, so today I have been up and down the ladder, shifting furniture, stretching to paint the ceiling- who needs a gym?! grin

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 17:42:15

I'm going to do a meal plan for the rest of the week tomorrow - I can post it here if it will help?

MinnieBar Mon 11-Jun-12 17:47:36

<checks in>

How many pages on the last thread and I've only just realised that 'WOE' stands for Way Of Eating and not, in fact, woe-as-in-sadness <facepalm>

We're on holiday this week (although it hasn't stopped bloody raining, grrr) so I'm trying to strike the balance between enjoying holiday treats and not falling off the wagon completely. Fortunately there aren't any scales here grin

Ideally I need to break the association of food as being my main treat in life, but I can't afford the therapy… wink

Umami Mon 11-Jun-12 18:04:55

Checking in

<salute>

Have nearly 1000 calls left today shockconfusedhmm

Thank you! I will start to log tomorrow and then when I get paid on Friday I'll order stuff to start making all my nice things!

I must admit I can't quite get my head around eating lots but I will try!

Hopefully Mon 11-Jun-12 18:43:25

I'm with SE, how on earth do you all manage to struggle to fill your calories? I can understand those that are totally sugar free, but today I have made healthy-wholefood-good-for-you cookies and muffins (made with honey, full of pumpkin, seeds, pure cocoa nibs etc), and one of those is about 350 calories! I can easily have 500 cals per meal, so 1500 plus one snack is already 1800, and I can easily manage two snacks a day and one more for pudding after dinner too, so if I do exercise I always have plenty of opportunities to eat! I am clearly very very greedy grin.

We are running really low on food, and planned food shop for this evening has been postponed due to DH needing to be brought home from work in a friends 4x4 after the road flooded badly. I live very near SE, it is a nightmare round here today, lots of closed roads, slow traffic and drains pouring water all over the road. It has been raining for all of 18 hours hmm. I'm hoping that I can limp through with fridge oatmeal for breakfast and mackerel on toast for lunch (and aforementioned healthy snacks) and get out for a food shop in the evening tomorrow.

Shirley I always want to run screaming onto those 'strict' diet threads and scream "no no no no, if you put it all on again doing this, why do you think doing exactly the same thing again will be different?" Also no need to suffer so much - it is perfectly possible to totally change your body size and shape without any major deprivation beyond turning down the occasional slice of cake or second portion of pudding.

quirkychick Mon 11-Jun-12 19:00:42

I have nearly 700 cals left, Hopefully. I followed your earlier advice and put in my meals first to get my macros. The main thing is I have done loads of walking so my net has come down massively. I could eat some of the ice-cream in the freezer but think that would up my fats and sugar!

Dp had a healthcheck today and thinks oir scales are out by half a stone. So we will probably get new ones and all miraculously lose weight!

Fingers crossed for everyone with rising water.

quirkychick Mon 11-Jun-12 19:01:43

*our, obviously

knitknack Mon 11-Jun-12 19:27:58

Hello! waves

mumat39 Mon 11-Jun-12 19:42:49

Wow everyone! A new thread and already page 2. I can't keep up.

Can I just say, some of you sound so amazing. I mean Shirley you do so so much exercise a week, wow!
Shotgun, I would love to be your weight at my height 5'6". I am about 166ish lbs and would like to lose a couple of dress sizes. I don't know what weight I should be aiming for - can anyone help me with that?

Shotgun, thanks for your offer of help re PnotP. That would be great. I will pm you but at the moment I'm just generally confused about where to start if you know what I mean.
I also can't have nuts and eggs and various lots of other things in the house due to DD's severe allergies so am still a bit stuck for breakfast suggestions. I think the idea for the yogurt and fruits is a good one, but I think I'd be like you and be hungry an hour or so later.

Toby, the Covent Garden store has some of the fuel bands so I'm going to ask my sister to get me one so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they still have some left when she can get there.

For what it's worth, I am eating more now than I have done in about 3 years and even though I do feel a little bit bigger(my jeans are a little more snug), but I feel SO MUCH BETTER. And, I'm not sure if I've developed biscuit glasses, but my twice c-section pouch is looking a wee bit smaller. I wake up with more oomph tooo which for me is truly amazing.

I am still eating far too many bad carbs mainly in the form of biscuits chocolate and sugar in coffee so will try and work on that as well as upping my protein.

Well Done to everyone who's lost weight or inches and Seventh, fingers crossed your area is ok and that the amount of rain and water levels go down.

Take care all xxx

mumat39 Mon 11-Jun-12 19:44:13

Toby I forgot to bold your name. sorry.

What does the fuel band say today? Any pleasant surprises?

AllMuddledUp Mon 11-Jun-12 19:51:38

Shirley, yes please post your meal plan for me I'm in desperate need of inspiration!

We are saved though as there are chicken breasts lurking in the freezer so can use those for tea tomorrow. Will probably end up doing an online shop now.

I need some healthy snack ideas too as my snacks largely consist of green and black's and French set yoghurt which isn't ideal!

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 11-Jun-12 19:56:52

I agree with everyone who thinks it's easy to get to the maximum cals - although mine are a bit lower than some.

Even so, on holiday last week I didn't by any means feel as if I was stuffing myself but I easily went over 2000 most days.

I think it's because I've learnt that I really struggle on a light breakfast, so I've already clocked up a few hundred straight away.

Then the bedtime spud habit takes up quite a few more!

Hopefully Do you fancy setting up a sideline in flogging healthy snacks? Those muffins sound even more delicious than 9 Bars (drool). Incidentally, you have all heard of 9 Bars right? Maybe not if you have been on a calorie-deprivation mission, as they are 277 cals each. Totally delicious.

I think the water is subsiding and it has actually shock stopped raining! Bit hmm that noone has come around to unblock the drain though. I cannot drain any water out of my house at the moment, so would rather not do another day of using wipes and no washing up /washing!

Protein shake has saved me today from eating 3 slices of toast and nutella, so that's a win! I bought a GNC gold card, and then they have good offers on their own brand ones.

Yes shotgun My breakfast is usually 600 cals, and then 300 cals of snacks doesn't actually leave much for lunch and supper!

addictediam Mon 11-Jun-12 21:12:13

Arggh. This is going to be a loooong night sad
dd1 won't sleep she's hysterical if I put her on her cot (shes 19 months) dd2 can't sleep with the screaming (4 months) I'm craving sugar, chocolate or cake. just something sweet really, I have homemade banana and peanut butter cake but I have no callories left for today. sad

CJCregg Mon 11-Jun-12 21:18:38

Evening all,

Just checking in. A bit concerned about the discussion earlier re exercise and getting back to net weight. I think I've been doing it wrong.

Went totally off book this weekend and ate roast lamb, potatoes, chinese takeaway and a fry up and it was bloody lovely grin. I have stayed off the sugar and white carbs, though.

Today I have been out most of the day and unable to eat a proper meal so have totally overdone the dried apricots and macadamias. My diary is too shameful to record, and I can't be too far away from the loo I KNOW, I KNOW, TMI.

blush

addicted Maybe have a cup of fruit tea or something? Or just a glass of water. Then wait 10 minutes and see if you are still hungry.
To be honest though, if you can have something you really want, and it doesn't take you over TDEE I would just eat it. But then I am generally aiming to just be below TDEE, rather than getting serious about the 15% cut.

AllMuddledUp Mon 11-Jun-12 21:32:56

Addicted, just have a warm drink and a small bit of cake. It won't do any harm to go a teensy bit over for one day.

I'm sorry DD1 is not sleeping, is she poorly or just going through that rough bedtime phase? I sympathise (unMN hug) I have 2 Daughters as well, with a 12 month age gap so know it can be tough at times. It gets easier as they get older, honest!

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 21:41:13

Nightmare. I've just got in from the gym, I did a step class and body pump and burned 1300 sodding calories, which brings my net to BLOODY 96!

ARGH! So, I'm going to eat a bag of cashews and an innocent smoothie and a yoghurt and some cottage chees. <wails>

I don't wanna!!!

Will catch up with thread now, needed that moan first! wink

TobyLerone Mon 11-Jun-12 21:46:49

Oh, I don't miss having small children! It's hard, and I sympathise.

Tonight I have done some hardcore junk-clearing in the DCs' bedrooms. We've been ruthless and have thrown out 10 binbags full of stuff! That's got to be worth a few calories grin

The Fuelband stats shot up while I was doing the housework. I've got my target set at 3000 Fuelpoints per day, which they class as an active day. I've done 3874 points today, 1085 calories and 10398 steps. So that's better than I thought, considering that when I checked before I left work I was way off my target. Sitting at a desk all day does not constitute 'active'!

quirkychick Mon 11-Jun-12 21:48:44

Oh addicted I hope your dds get to sleep soon. My 2 are asleep now but bedtime was a nightmare. Dd2 is nearly 2.5 & we thought the teething had stopped... but no, she has been unbelievably grumpy! Dd1 (6) is overtired and we had full on drama and hysteria because a) she had been rude, b) she was asked to move and didn't and c) she discovered a wobbly tooth hmm.

I have eaten a delicious concoction of leftover tuna, chickpeas, chilli sauce & coriander followed by yoghurt with strawbs. I am still not up to bmr on net cals as I've done lots of walking but I have eaten over 2000.

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 21:56:54

Addicted - eat something, just not necessarily cake!

It's so hard when you're struggling on little sleep - I remember it well.

This too shall pass. <mantra>

addictediam Mon 11-Jun-12 22:24:15

Dh pointed out my water bottle (I try and drink 2l a day and to measure use bottled water) it had a tiny bit gone and said is that all you've drunk today? I think you're thirsty not hungry.

Ive drank 1l (I am so going to need the toilet in an hour) and am no longer hungry or just craving sugar :D

1 dd sleeping soundly next to me 1 just about giving up the fight in the next room. I am so ready for bed, I was ment to do some Zumba tonight but with both dds awake didn't manage to. Hopefuly tomorrow night I might get out For a run/zumba if the girls are good. its nights like these I miss the gym, i could have left and not known there was a problem until I got home, whereas being at home both girls just want mummy, not this strange man that leaves before they wake in the morning and gets home after bedtime but apears in mummys bed on a Saturday morning. ;)

quirkychick Mon 11-Jun-12 22:27:52

Glad it all sounds calmer, addicted. Water is definitely important especially when you are rushing around. Thirst can make you tired. Try to get some sleep and restn

quirkychick Mon 11-Jun-12 22:28:19

Ahh *rest!

mumat39 Mon 11-Jun-12 23:12:28

By the way, what does SAFTFBS mean?

Sorry if I'm being a bit dim confused

Maryz Mon 11-Jun-12 23:54:44

Stay Away From The FUCKING BASTARDLY Scales (or something like that) grin

mumat39 Tue 12-Jun-12 00:25:48

Ohhhhhhhhh I see - tee hee hee. Just off to bed and that's made my day grin Thanks Maryz

Shirley - brilliant title!!!

bibbetybobbityboo Tue 12-Jun-12 08:35:33

So i'm sure it can't have an effect that quickly but it amused me anyway that after one day of this new eating plan i weighted myself as usual this morning and i weigh almost a kilo less than the weight i have been stuck at for weeks! On with day 2 starting with a run this morning...

Hopefully Tue 12-Jun-12 08:48:36

Bleurgh, not loving cocoa banana fridge oatmeal. Loved yesterday's blueberry one, going to try mango one tomorrow.

I find I only lose weight at all (not that I have lost any actual scale weight, but I have lost fat) when I drink tons of water, a good 2l+. I think I dehydrate quite a lot when I do Insanity - onto week 3 now, really proud of myself!

Bibbety enjoy your run! Hoping to get back into in the next couple of weeks - had shin splints when I was only a week from finishing couch to 5k sad

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 08:49:43

Just saying hi - I'm not properly participating but I like to keep up.

Morning all. We too are in the SE, feeling pretty glad we live at the top of a steep hill. Doing fairly well but I am running out of meal ideas. 2.5yo DD has starting getting a bit fussy, and seems to want meat and two veg type meals. DH will eat almost anything except fish. I'm trying to avoid having to cook separate meals, and trying to avoid bad fats and too many white carbs.
<head bursts from effort of trying to balance fussy family meals!>

We seem to be a bit stuck with new potatoes, sausages/steak/chops for them, fish for me and steamed veg, or roast dinner! Although we did have lasagne last night which went down a treat. Any suggestions for healthy meals that don't have things mixed up in sauce? confused

addictediam Tue 12-Jun-12 09:11:59

Hmm...lasagne is mixed in sauce would she try something that tasted similar? Like a tomato pasta and cheese? You could gradually add other things over time like bacon, peporoni or pepper and tuna. She may not even notice! (it worked for my fussy eater brother)

Sometimes she will, but more often than not she'll pick out all the "clean" pasta, eat that and tell me the rest is "Agusting!" She used to love curries, risottos and caseroles. Now she won't touch them (unless she's in the right mood hmm) Last night was the first in at least 2 months that she's decided lasagne is nice.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 12-Jun-12 09:26:45

We are in the SE too - one of the very waterlogged towns that keeps being on the news. We are also up a hill, thank goodness.

I put my jeans on this morning, and they were a bit snug hmm I have obviously put on a bit while I've been away, BUT I did eat loads of nuts, protein and remain active so hopefully it is temporary weight.

MrsMango - will your DD go for meatballs? I do mine just in a basic tomato sauce with pasta, and reduce the amount of sauce for the DSs. Shepherd's pie?

Hopefully - I think I have got very dehydrated while I've been away. Too much wine, salty food, not enough water and then 2 days sat in the car coming home.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 09:36:21

It must be awful to have a fussy family. I sympathise.

Luckily for them my lot eat what they're given or they starve grin

I had a smoothie for breakfast, and managed to bring myself to make it with hazelnut milk, rather than fruit juice! Yay! It was quite delicious, although I'm not sure how long it'll fill me up for.

Gym tonight. Boo hiss for those with flooding. I'm in the SE and it's raining a fuckload but I don't think we'll flood, thank goodness.

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 09:37:17

Shotgun I will join you in the "it's easy to eat 2000+ calories" gang.

I haven't been on super low diets though. I want to lose a bit of weight but I want to do it slowly and sensibly without fucking up my metabolism.

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 09:39:48

Nut milk sounds nice actually. I am on the train with a yoghurt and fruit smoothie from M&S. Does that count?

Maryz Tue 12-Jun-12 09:43:42

I find it very easy to eat over 2000 calories, but not if I keep to under 40% carbs. Because when I reach my carb limit I can never find anything else to eat, so just stop.

If I don't watch my macro balance I could eat thousands per day - and have been. Mostly white bread and crisps and cakes and biscuits and ...

I managed to get out the house today. Phew! Stress of hefting everything upstairs, entertaining non-napping toddler and being housebound and unable to drain (and hence use) any water was getting a bit much.

Alibaba maybe you are near me then? Roman City with a medieval middle?

bibbetybobbityboo Tue 12-Jun-12 10:00:59

Hmm any suggestions for a supper meal of about 400 cals but carb and protein only. Planning my meals for the day and thats where i'm short.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 10:03:37

Poached chicken breast with loads of veg.

Baked salmon fillet with pesto spread on top, served with couscous and roasted veg.

bibbetybobbityboo Tue 12-Jun-12 10:06:44

Thank-you, think i had been looking at my meal plan too long! Chicken and veg for me i think smile

Toby they never used to be, I swear! I think DD is just going through a phase. DH will eat whatever is put in front of him, but not always without protest.

Right, sauce for meatballs is on the go. DD turned her nose up at them last couple of times, but we haven't had them for a while <crosses fingers> I've got wholemeal pasta for me to have with them too. Think I might have to try poached chicken too, sounds like that might keep everyone happy. I just wish the little buggers darlings would eat things like tuna pasta bake! I think I might just make a big batch for myself and freeze it. Then I can have a healthy meal and still cook crap carb heavy meals for them.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Tue 12-Jun-12 10:39:56

Prawns are pretty high-protein/low cal I find. You can knock up a quick curry with spinach or make a stir-fry, or just have them on pasta with butter.
Can't have them too often, though - DH bursts a blood vessel when he realises how much it costs to feed five of us with them.

bibbetybobbityboo Tue 12-Jun-12 10:43:27

Gah don't like prawns, not really a big seafood fan unfortunately, wish i was. I've bought some tuna steaks to try for dinner one evening, never had them before. I hate tinned tuna so much that i've never been able to bring myself to eat them although i realise they taste and more important smell very different! Nuts, peppers and onions are the other things i really hate and wish i didn't. Perhaps i could train myself to like them!

Maryz Tue 12-Jun-12 10:47:16

I thought prawns were a wonderfood until I realised that for some unknown reason they have astronomically high cholesterol confused.

Lidl do lovely prawns.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 10:51:47

It's only since I joined MN that I've been grateful for the non-pickiness of my children and DP. I think I took it for granted before.

Honestly, poached chicken is a revelation! It's so moist. I'm not a fan of chicken breasts because they are so often dry. But poaching them is easy and far tastier.

Maryz Tue 12-Jun-12 10:56:19

How exactly do you poach them Toby? I find they go a bit watery.

addictediam Tue 12-Jun-12 10:57:55

I've found the recipe section on here is great, healthy easy to cook meals that most children will eat.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 11:00:38

Put them in cold liquid (I often use stock, either fresh or from a cube, but you can use wine, or plain water with or without garlic, herbs, veg etc -- whatever you want, really!), bring it to the boil, reduce it to a simmer (lid on) for 15 minutes, then remove from the heat and let them sit in the hot liquid for a further 10 - 15 minutes to finish cooking.

knitknack Tue 12-Jun-12 11:10:07

Maryz everything I've been reading recently (and boy have I been reading recently - now reading a book about paleo eating!) about new research into cholesterol and fats etc says that there's nothing to link eating it to suffering from high levels of it - which is why eggs are no longer considered a problem. In fact the new idea seems to be that it's low-fat high-carb diets (such as we've been told to each since the 70s) that are making us fat!

I know that I've been eating mainly fat now for two weeks and have lost over 7lbs, mainly from around my middle - do some research, it really is so wrong of the goverment to still be supporting the 'low fat' approach when all the new research seems to point to that being completely wrong.

NB: I am NOT a scientist/clever however!

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 11:34:53

I’ve done my meal plan for this working week. I like to work out what I’m having, but it’s not set in stone – I do tend to swap things out if I don’t “fancy” whatever I have planned.
Here we go for those of you who are interested or after ideas.

Tuesday
Breakfast – Chocolate/Banana Protein Shake. Coffee. (420 cals)
Mid Morning - Mango and Almond Oatmeal (400 cals)
Lunch - Cottage Cheese and Ryvita (600 cals)
Dinner - Salmon and Pak Choi (454 cals)
Total – 1,874..

Wednesday
Breakfast - Peanut Butter Protein Shake. Coffee. (216 cals)
Mid Morning - 2 x boiled eggs with celery salt. (140 cals). Yoghurt (120 cals)
Lunch - Roasted vegetables and chorizo with wholemeal pasta. (600 cals)
Dinner Chicken Tikka and brown rice (381 cals)
Total – 1,757.

Thursday
Breakfast - Banana and strawberry protein shake. Coffee. (350 cals)
Mid Morning - Wholemeal bagel with cream cheese and naice ham (400 cals)
Lunch - Chicken tikka and brown rice leftovers (381 cals).
Mid Afternoon - Oatcakes, banana and peanut butter (450 cals)
Dinner - Soup (250 cals)
Total – 1,832

Friday
Breakfast - Blueberry Protein shake. Coffee. (350 cals)
Mid Morning - 2 x egg omelette with spinach. (300 cals)
Lunch - Baked Potato with tuna and cottage cheese (649 cals)
Dinner - Pork Steak with sage butter, celeriac mash and green beans (500 cals)
Total – 1,799.

I’m on 2,000 cals per day and I have planned out to reach 1,800. This leaves me a couple of hundred for snacks and swaps (not including any exercise calories I have to eat back)
Thursday is a bit weird because I have YET ANOTHER dental appointment so will be just having some soup in the evening.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 11:37:28

Nice plan, Shirl. All sounds very healthy grin

I am very impressed by the smoothie this morning, btw. I'm only just getting hungry now, and I had it at 8am.

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 11:47:10

Hmm. I think I've cocked up some of my copying over from my spreadsheet planner...

never mind you get the idea!

What smoothie did you have Tobes? I think the nutmilk <snurk> keeps you fuller for longer!

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 11:52:09

It was strawberries (5), half a banana (I ate the other half while I was waiting!), some hazelnut milk, a big tbsp of Greek yogurt, some flaxseeds, a squidge of honey and a tiny bit of vanilla bean paste. It was right delish. I'd already made fridge porridge, so I'm going to have that for lunch in a minute instead.

I'm really impressed with how it's stopped me from feeling hungry. Or maybe I've just been less bored this morning at work...

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Tue 12-Jun-12 12:18:55

I've got some fridge porridge for lunch today <joins in> just made it with frozen forest fruits. It's sitting on the Aga to defrost. I added some roast chopped hazelnuts as well as the yoghurt, and will be toasting almond flakes to add. Those things smell just like cake when you toast them <salivates>.

I'm with KnitKnack on the cholesterol front - again I can only say 'I read somewhere,' but I really have read in so many different sources that cholesterol remains a mystery; like gallstones, there are people with quite high readings who are perfectly healthy, and it's not necessarily the foods we understand as being 'high' level that are causing the problems where they do exist.

I keep meaning to look into the Paleo thing; I've come across the odd forum where they really take it as far as they possibly can - to the extent of wearing bizarre shoes with individual toes <ew>. But it does make sense to me that eating (within reason) what the earth provides must be better than stuff which has been basically formed from a chemical reaction in a factory.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Tue 12-Jun-12 12:35:37

Hi people, love the new thread title! I too have been off-plan all weekend as I was away visiting people and therefore eating what I was given, like sausage casserole with cream in, a fry up, potato salad, cake, key lime pie, cupcakes etc. (Mmm) I weighed myself this morning and haven't gained any weight, hurray! And I have a freezer full of home-grown free-range chicken (Dad is a chicken farmer) ready to start off properly. Today's dinner is going to feature chicken legs that wouldn't fit in the freezer.

I read that about high cholesterol foods too, Shotgun and KnitKnack. I'm going to read more about paleo diets, but I don't think I could cut out carbs completely! Like Maryz if I don't eat white carbs I struggle to hit my target, but as mine is 2500 to allow for bf. I keep eating lots of bread, but at least it's wholemeal.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 12:38:40

I added pecans in my fridge porridge, too.

There is a thread in Chat at the moment discussing weight loss/dieting. I am totally judging everyone who is saying "ooooh I'm eating 1200 cals a day because I need to lose weight", while feeling smug about them moaning about being hungry amazed at how quickly I've come around to this WOE. Previously, I'd have been in the 1200 calories camp and been miserable and horrible to everyone. Now, when I see people talking about that I want to grab them and tell them it doesn't have to be like that!

CJCregg Tue 12-Jun-12 12:44:37

OK, I'm going to sound really thick here, but could someone please explain what fridge porridge is? confused

I have oats, I have yoghurt, I have fruit - is the idea that you just bung them all together in the fridge for a bit? Does it get heated up?

So far today I have eaten mainly nuts and fruit. I feel like a big squirrel grin

Can't say I feel any thinner or lighter, but I don't feel bigger/heavier, so I guess that's the main thing. Still off the sugar shock

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 12:48:26

Like this, CJ.

The one I'm having at the moment is made with 1/4 cup each of oats, hazelnut milk and yogurt, 1tsp flaxseeds, about 8 pecan halves (broken into pieces), 1tbsp maple syrup and 10 fresh raspberries. It's bloody delicious.

Maryz Tue 12-Jun-12 12:48:32

www.theyummylife.com/recipes/browse fridge porridge is on this site.

knitknack Tue 12-Jun-12 13:16:58

Ooooh look:

why sugar is making us fat

In the Guardian. Do stop me if I'm getting boring! smile

shirl I just bought some hazelnut milk. if i wanted it in my porridge - is it ok to heat it up or will it do funny things?!

CJCregg Tue 12-Jun-12 14:20:59

Thanks for those recipes - I'm going to make me some fridge porridge tonight grin

I am still overdoing the dried apricots. They're so yummy blush

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 14:25:12

I'm not sure shy - I've not tried it hot - well, other than in coffee. It doesn't go peculiar in that, so I would imagine it would be fine!

CJ - We are about 50/50 split on the fridge porridge. I am on the normal side and LOVE IT. grin. I had the mango and almond one this morning, I went a bit heavy on the almond essence though, it tasted a bit like amaretto. FOR BREAKFAST! How decadent.

CJCregg Tue 12-Jun-12 14:41:01

I am going to chuck some apricots (natch), yoghurt, almonds, oats and milk into a jar. That is pretty much the contents of my fridge, WTF is going on?

I am finding this WOE delicious but quite pricey. Found myself buying nuts and goji berries this morning, and it seriously bumped up my bill. I know, it's good for me, but the problem is, when I'm broke I tend to fall back on toast and marmite. Or pasta. Can't do that so much, these days. Even if it is 'Ma'aamite'. <classy>

I haven't written in my MFP diary for days. Need to get some discipline back. This is why I am wittering endlessly on this thread grin

Out of interest what are you lot all making your fridge porridge in? That is the one thing that is confusing me - what do i put it in?!

CJCregg Tue 12-Jun-12 14:56:09

An old jamjar, I'm thinking. Though I've probably thrown them all out. Nutella jars are good because they have those rubber lids. Though, of course, I never have Nutella in the house. [theveryidea]

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 14:59:29

I know what you mean CJ - but I really think it's down to planning - It's a PITA, but I think it helps to take advantage of 3 for ten offers and BOGOFs and then bulk cooking and freezing and eating leftovers for lunch and such.

Shy - I make mine in a tupperware bowl!

<dances about> half a stone! I've lost half a stone! My belt is two holes tighter than it used to be, and I can fit comfortably into the dress-I-made-too-small-by-mistake dress that's been gloating at me for months!

thanks for Shirley, I luffs you! grin

Shy, I've been using an old jam jar, but only because my plastic pots that are the right size are all in use. I really must have a freezer clear out. blush

<dances away>

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Tue 12-Jun-12 15:13:55

Half a stone? And 2 belt notches? Wow! That's amazing! envy grin Well done you!

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Tue 12-Jun-12 15:36:18

That's fantastic Mango! Meanwhile, I've put on 2kilos and just discovered my waist's expanded by 2 inches shock.

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 15:38:44

Well done MrsMango!

quirkychick Tue 12-Jun-12 15:44:10

Wow MrsMango!

Knitknack that was the program I saw advertised, I couldn't remember the name or time... which paleo book are you reading? I've got the New Evolution Diet which was featured in the ST mag a year or so ago. He started by investigating blood sugar because his son is diabetic.

We have a food doctor book too, the maintenance one, which has some nice recipes in. Shirl, I tried Nigella's chilli lime basa fillets the other day, really yummy. Great with salmon too.

We are having "ketchup" chicken (branded for the kids) a version of a Madhur Jaffrey recipe like chicken tikka but with ketchup (reduced salt/sugar) not yoghurt.

Succumbed to some dairy milk as no dark choc. It tasted too sickly and sweet now.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 15:47:06

shock MrsMango! That's brilliant grin

I make my fridge porridge in a round tupperware pot with a clippy lid. It's the perfect size.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 12-Jun-12 16:10:16

MrsMango that is amazing! grin

I am off to have a look at your MFP food diary!

I am so tired. I have eaten too many carbs today and not enough protein. Yuck yuck.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Tue 12-Jun-12 16:17:59

Just marking my place. I was doing mfp at 1200 kcals and it was just not enough and i plataued, I had also stalled at slimming world aftre having lost about 2 stone since birth of dd. Keep yoyoing back and forth, so recently read an e book by tom venuto. Lost a few pounds but have stalled again a bit as I have been unable to exercise due to illness. This book advocates eating 5 meals a day which I just found too difficult so may just stick to the calorie allowance, clean up my diet and get exercising again while I can. Thing is i have a holiday in 2 weeks and a wedding in august so am tempted to try and blast it off by going abck to 1200 while i can't exercise... WWYD?

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Tue 12-Jun-12 16:18:16

Good thinking - what's your MFP name again, MrsMango?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 12-Jun-12 16:27:16

Too - it is MrsMango, but I can't work out how to view a profile. <idiot>

Right I have just eaten some apple and some nuts and made myself a cuppa.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Tue 12-Jun-12 16:35:28

I can't find MrsMango! I thought I'd added all of you, but clearly not, sorry! But I tried to find MrsMango to send a friend request and couldn't. What am I doing wrong?

Ali - you click on their name and it will say View Diary.

Hopefully Tue 12-Jun-12 16:46:11

MrsMango that's amazing! Well done!

I still weigh the same as I did a month ago (and two months ago and three months ago) but have achieved some shrinkage in size, so I'm not too concerned.

Feeling really low on energy today, have PMT. humph. Need to work up to Insanity in a bit.

quirkychick Tue 12-Jun-12 17:25:14

Hopefully, muscle weighs more than fat wink.

AllMuddledUp Tue 12-Jun-12 17:41:51

Brilliant MrsMango well done!

Quick Q about logging exercise- I chose moderate on the calculator but I don't do an awful lot, just school runs and normal cleaning etc. I do sit about a bit in the evenings. Anyway, today as well as school runs I did about 25 mins extra walking with a baby in the buggy, so I have logged it, but it has given me extra calories to eat! So, should I eat them? Sorry if not making sense, am exhausted! What I mean is, am I doing the right thing by logging this as extra and eating the extra cals, or should this walk just be counted in the moderate activity level?

I am SAFTFBS now, the bugger told me I was heavier this morning. I am pretending I didn't see it grin.

Toby how is the fuelband going? What else does it do apart from be a pedometer?

Just did poached chicken in a made up tomato sauce with pasta and veg, the kids and DH loved it! Much better than oven chips wink

MinnieBar Tue 12-Jun-12 17:56:26

Bloody rain here (IoW) meant not only was today's overpriced day out bloomin well shut, but lots of the roads were too, which meant ultimately 90 mins in the car to get to Blackgang Chine. Anyway we had a fab day in the end, and although I keep not MFP-ing, I'm going to assume that pushing the buggy up hill and down dale more than compensated for the mini-donuts and ice-cream grin

Non-scale victory here - belt a notch tighter! Nothing to do with my jeans getting looser with age of course…

Thank you all smile Sorry for the delay in replying, been out walking with DD. I've got the same name on MFP as I have on here. I've just made my diary viewable (including the kfc!blush) I haven't been tracking my exercise, I do do some, it's just not on there, honest guv! grin

We're about to have poached chicken too AllMuddledUp

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Tue 12-Jun-12 18:18:20

Gosh, even after I've put dinner in (chicken curry and white rice (had just bought big bag of rice before starting this WOE and am using it up. Will buy brown next time)) I've still got 730 cals today! confused Am already over on fat, though.

Have sent you a friend request, MrsMango. I didn't realise I had to put your entire name in to find you. I don't track my exercise either - I selected 'moderate' which is about right for walking the dog and doing bits of housework. If I ever start Shredding I'll put that in as extra.

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 18:25:02

AMU - no. You will not need to eat the extra calories!

AllMuddledUp Tue 12-Jun-12 18:32:23

Right thanks Shirley. So for me then it's better to not bother entering exercise on MFP cos it just confuses me! And I never do mega burns like some of you.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Tue 12-Jun-12 18:42:38

Ha, have just reached a bit in Dr Briffa's Escape The Diet Trap saying that high fat diets actually make you lose weight fastest! So I needn't think of fat-free snacks at all.

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 19:14:55

I had a persian chicken and avocado salad for lunch, definitely low carb. Thinking of chicken and noodles in soup with lots of veg for dinner. It's difficult when I'm commuting, much easier if I'm at home and can cook eggs.

Thanks for posting your menu Shirley, I love looking at menus. smile

realhousewife Unless 1200 is your TDEE-15%, this thread would say eat a bit more! You need to work out your basal metabolic rate (BMR) and make sure you eat at least that every day.

MinnieBar Tue 12-Jun-12 20:05:07

Trills are you on MFP? Then you can nose browse away at other people's diets to your heart's content!

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 20:43:08

It's not the same, I want to hear people's descriptions and see their links to recipes. Posting it here has more personality.

Remind me why we are having nut milk. I just popped into the corner shop on the way back from the station on a whim and got some soya milk. Is that any better than normal milk?

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 20:50:31

I'm having nut milk cos I LIKES it, also it has marginally less calories than cows milk AND it's less dodgy ethically (wink) AND its better for my asthma..

Tobes has it because she has a hatred of normal milk...

I've never tried soy I don't think, it makes me gip to think of it - which is weird, I'm not usually so sensitive. grin

ceebeegeebies Tue 12-Jun-12 20:53:23

Evening all

Mrsmango 7lbs shock Wow, that is amazing. Is that in 1 week??

As I am SAFTFBS, I have no idea how things are going plus I am due my period any day which always makes me blow up like a balloon so don't think I will get a feel for whether I am moving in the right direction until after then.

To those of you querying why it is hard to eat 2000+ calories, trust me, I would have no problem in doing that if it involved cakes, chocolate, sweets, McD's, takeaways, vast amounts of alcohol etc - it is eating 2000 healthy calories that I am struggling with.

However, I have just finished off my diary for today and I have managed to only be minus 1 on my carbs (which for me is a massive achievement!), minus 5 on the fats - still under on my protein but I am trying. I used to have 2 weetabix when I come in from work to tide me over until we have tea when the DC are in bed but today, I just didn't want it so had 2 babybels and a packet of Walkers squares as I have run out of nuts instead - am such a carb-addict that this was quite an achievement that I actually fancied protein snacks instead.

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 20:58:32

My carbs are far higher than they should be, and protein is way low. I shudder to think how many carbs I was eating before starting this WOE, when I wasn't trying to eat healthily.

I think a lot of my carbs are coming from fruit, though, so I'm not too worried. Do need to get my protein higher though, so have bought some small packs of ham/chicken to take to work to eat by themselves as a snack.

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 21:23:28

I've got some chicken too Toby.

I've approximated a fridge oatmeal with soya milk and oats and Green and Blacks cocoa and some flaked almonds. We'll see tomorrow if it's any good...

bucketbetty Tue 12-Jun-12 21:28:57

I've lost it. I've gone way over my allowance for the past week and I've been eating crap almost none stop. I'm haven't seen any weight loss at all and have given up somewhat. Any ideas for getting back on track?

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 21:42:41

Ideas for getting back on track : start now.

Plan the tasty and healthy and feel-goody things that you are going to eat tomorrow. Look at your schedule and see if you can fit in some exercise. Think to yourself "I will feel better if I do that"

Does that work?

ShirleyKnot Tue 12-Jun-12 22:03:58

Might need something sweet in there Trills - a spoonful of honey or something similar.

Bucket - just do it! This is not a difficult, restrictive way to live - but you do need to commit to the process and decide that you are going to eat well, exercise a bit and get healthy. Go back, re-read the old thread, read some links, especially this and get your motivation going again!

You can do this!

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 22:04:16

What Trills said. Start tomorrow, forget how you've been eating up to now and just start again like it's the first day.

DP was stirring my fridge oatmeal this evening and got a bit on his hand, so he licked it off. He said it was so delicious that he had to make himself some smile

Trills, you might want to put some honey in your oatmeal or something else to sweeten it or it'll be horrid!

TobyLerone Tue 12-Jun-12 22:05:03

X-post with our leader grin

Trills Tue 12-Jun-12 22:12:39

I'll add honey as necessary tomorrow then. If I do it now I'll probably add too much or something. Thanks smile

Chicken and noodles and veg in broth was lovely by the way.

quirkychick Tue 12-Jun-12 22:13:40

Bucketbetty just start again tomorrow. Plan some yummy, healthy food. Meal planning really stops that grab the nearest crap thing.

I have made some cherry almond fridge oatmeal which sounds yummy. I liked the strawberry vanilla one but not the chocolate one so much. Though chocolate and almond sounds delish!

mumat39 Wed 13-Jun-12 00:20:39

MrsMango. WOW!! Well Done that's brilliant!

Toby, I got my fuel band and so far LOVE it. I've only set it up and charged it so far but it'll be interesting what it records tomorrow. By the way, how does yours fit? I went for the small size but its a bit snug as it comes. I can't fit the 16mm link on it's own (even though I think that would fit better) so have both links on. But it feels a bit loose, like a bracelet. How sung is yours and do you know if the 16mm link should work by itself? I'm wondering if there's a problem with it.

mumat39 Wed 13-Jun-12 00:21:23

that should say interesting to see what it records tomorrow.

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 07:08:45

Congrats on the Fuelband, mumat smile

Mine is a small with no extra links and it's snug enough not to annoy me. I have the wrists and hands of a child grin
I know it would have got on my nerves had it been any bigger, as I don't ever wear jewellery of any kind normally, so am unused to things flapping about on my wrists.

So I don't know about the extra links. Google might be able to help. Or the Nike people are quite helpful on twitter.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 13-Jun-12 07:13:11

I've had a nosy through some of your food diaries, and I think I'm not eating enough breakfast. I need to get some protein shakes.

Toby what is a fuelband?

bibbetybobbityboo Wed 13-Jun-12 08:05:18

Well i had a naughty trip to pizza hut last night and consumed a vast quantitiy of calories so didn't end up being the best day yesterday but never mind. If we can't have pizza hut pizza once in a while whats the point eh!! Scales showing a whisker under 80kg today but already i have noticably more energy and for the first time in..well i cant remember how long, i didn't fall asleep on the sofa early. I went to bed when i chose to instead of not being able to keep my eyes open any longer. I guess my body isnt running out of go because its got no calories left to use! Right off to plan todays meals now...

Ali, I can thoroughly recommend the myprotein shakes that Shirley, er, recommended. grin

I just ordered a big bag of the toffee flavour one as it's very nice in both shakes with just water, or with milk, or in smoothies. Oats, banana, hazelnut milk, flax and toffee shake tastes like banoffee pie. Anyone ordering more than samples, I think you can get 5% off with a referer code, and points for the referer. <looks a bit shifty> Can I post your code Shirley? grin

addictediam Wed 13-Jun-12 09:08:29

I went to the my protine website but i got all confused by all the diffrent catogories and got out of there. Can any very kind person link some nice tasting samples? I also need to eat more for breakfast.

ShirleyKnot Wed 13-Jun-12 09:24:03

Yes Mango! I'll post it!

Referrers Code - MP633252

You don't have to enter this but if you are ordering for the first time then I think I get a few points if you do.

Addicted Here is the page for the 99p samples. In the box marked "Flavour" you can click for a drop down list of all available flavours. I like all of them, but I bought a 1kg bag of the banoffee. When I've finished that one I'm going to go for the vanilla.

I had a small victory last night in managing not to eat the other half pack of the noodles I cooked for DS, even though they would have gone very nicely with my steak in miso soup with spring onions and mushrooms (yum).

The reports on MFP are interesting, not so much the calories, but looking at the sugar and protein amounts over the week.

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 09:48:57

Right, stupid question, but how much difference does a protein shake make to your protein intake?

Today, for example, my food diary includes a fair bit of protein, IMO, but I'm still only at 22%. I'm determined to get it up to nearer 30%! Over 20% is a rarity for me at the moment.

1 shake is 10% of my daily protein. Making it into a smoothie for a snack also stamps out any urge to nibble on carby things as I'm too full.

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 10:05:48

Really? That high? Perhaps I will order some, then, seeing as I'm braving the nut milk (fnar) smoothies anyway.

bunjies Wed 13-Jun-12 10:08:55

Fantastic achievement MrsMango.

I bought a weight training book ages ago as I'd been thinking about giving it a go for a while. But then life got in the way and we moved town etc and I didn't make a start. Dusted the book off last night and am ready to give it a go. I want to get some of my own weights so I can do them at home but not sure was weight of dumb bells to get. The book doesn't specifically mention what weight to get as I suppose it's different for each person.

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 10:14:43

Right, I have ordered a few samples. Entered Shirley's code and got a whacking 15p discount! Win-win grin

addictediam Wed 13-Jun-12 10:16:46

tobyu how can you see what % of protine you're eating? i can see the macros (mine are 144 protine, 192 carbs and 64 carbs) but how does that relate in to %?

actually can we talk about the macros alittle bit? i'm so confused with them and some people have got sodium, sugar and fibre on theirs how do you work out how much of thoes you should be eating or is it just a made up figure confused

addictediam Wed 13-Jun-12 10:17:32

oh and thanks shirley, i've bookmarked that page and when i get paid i'll order some (ive already gone way over budget for shopping this week blush)

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 10:19:56

Right. To add other things to your macros, go to the My Home tab, then Settings. You can add other things in there if you want. I can't be arsed, personally grin

As for the %ages, I'm still looking. It's easy on the Android app, but if you're looking on a computer it's harder to find. I'll let you know when I find out!

ShirleyKnot Wed 13-Jun-12 10:48:41

bunj - HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY! Lift heavy, low reps. Lots of info on the old thread about heavy weight lifting.

addicted - in addition to my carbs/protein and fat I also count my fibre (set at 30) and sodium (set at 2500). The fibre is, in part, a holdover from my low carbing days. Some dietry fibre can be "offset" against carbs. I think I got these figures from the MFP EMTWL group.

I can click on my iphone app to see my percentages in a neat little pie chart. I haven't QUITE worked out how to see it when on the computer though (which is a bit of a PITA)

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 10:50:07

Nope, I can't find it online either. Have you got an iPhone/Android, addicted? I can tell you where to find it there!

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Wed 13-Jun-12 13:57:49

Has anyone read Dr John Briffa, Escape The Diet Trap? I'm sure someone linked to it on the previous thread. I've just finished it and it's amazing! He says that humans have no need to eat carbs at all, and that studies show eating a high-(good) fat diet results in incredible weight loss.

ShirleyKnot Wed 13-Jun-12 14:04:32

There's no such thing as an essential carb apparently - BUT what about vegetables?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 13-Jun-12 14:15:54

Vegetables - or fruit? I can't see how we could get all the various vitamins etc without eating fruit and veg. Or how we could get enough fibre?

The book sounds interesting, but I think I might get annoyed with it if it is too extreme! grin

I have ordered some sample protein powder. DH is going to think I'm taking up bodybuilding or something grin

I really wish he would get into this WOE. His TDEE-15% is something like 2700, and that is with him sitting on his arse in his office all day, so it isn't like he would struggle to stick to it and I know he would feel better and be less of a grumpy sod.

<disclaimer> He is very lovely really, just exhausted.

ShirleyKnot Wed 13-Jun-12 14:20:11

See, fruit is just sugar, so I can understand not "needing" fruit at all. The vits and stuff found in fruit can be found in most veg (and other natural foods) but without all that pesky sugar.

I really like a low carb diet, but it really did affect my stamina and strength during exercise - now this might well have been psychological, but even if it were the results were the same!

bunjies Wed 13-Jun-12 15:50:25

Bloody hell 160 posts already. I can't keep up with this thread.

Whoever recommended the 9bars I think I love you. Bought some today and they are lovely. So thank you very much indeed. Got them in Holland and Barrett where they're having a buy 1 get 1 half price deal on anything. So I bought 4 for under £3 (they're 99p each).

ceebeegeebies Wed 13-Jun-12 16:10:41

Shirley yes yes yes re the carbs and exercise. If I am going to the gym, I need some carbs inside me (again, probably psychological but I am not prepared to test it by not doin git wink) so I have to have a bowl of cereal before I go blush

I really hope this is going to work! I share an office with 3 other women who starve/binge constantly (one of them lives on tinned fruit cocktail when she is in 'starvation' mode, another one will often bring in a tupperware box full of fruit for lunch hmm). I know they both weigh similar/more than me but are much less active so probably need about 1800 calories to TDEE-15% and they aren't going to get that from fruit. I am dying to spread the news about this WOE but feel that I need to show some results before they will take me seriously and not look at me like this hmm hmm - in the meantime, I am having fun eating lots and I suspect they think I have spectactularly fallen off the 'diet' bandwagon grin

AllMuddledUp Wed 13-Jun-12 16:55:59

Am just marking place, beyond exhausted today so off for a soak and a rest while DH sorts the kids out.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Wed 13-Jun-12 16:58:20

Non-starchy veg are fine. It sounds extreme when you tell someone the conclusions without all the explanation and science behind it, but it really makes sense by the time you've read about all the studies carried out. I'm going to go a bit lower-carb once I've been shopping. You only need soluble fibre (ie, the type in veg and fruit). Roughage in bran etc actually irritates the bowel and causes bloating. It's a type of paleo diet, so yes to meat, fish, eggs, veg, berries etc.

FlyingAardvark Wed 13-Jun-12 17:09:09

I've managed not to weigh myself all week. I haven't had time to calorie count or anything but have just kept on eating the healthier foods, less carbs. Haven't done as much exercise as I'd have liked as revising but have been walking everywhere including out for a meal and bottle of red.
And today my mam walked into the house and immediatly noticed I now have a waistline, my bloated belly has gone! I noticed yesterday that my work pants were loose around my bum and tops of my thighs aswell so feeling pretty good.

quirkychick Wed 13-Jun-12 17:35:55

I think I need some protein shake too as I am struggling to eat 30% protein too. I think they said that on one of your earlier links, Shirl.

The flaxseed is great, no hormone spots and glowing skin. Someone told me they thought I was about 34 <am really 41> so I was really chuffed about that.

The cherry almond fridge oatmeal was delish! Tasted like bakewell tart with mareschino (?) cherries.

I have spent a mad day rushing children from one thing to another and have used 1000 calories shock.

This WOE is interesting.
I went out for a smart lunch with my mil today 9at the National Gallery) - chose carefully, knowing i was eating dinner with the family tonight. ended up with a yummy lentil, pea and cashew burger (came in flat bread which i ate and were also yummy), with a green salad on the side. went for cheeseboard instead of pud - couldn't finish the cheese let alone the crackers.

Then this evening i was not hungry for dinner (didn't finish lunch until 2pm) - so i will grab a snack in a bit.... Amazing!

Interested to hear how full these protein shakes make you! Sound delicious!

addictediam Wed 13-Jun-12 18:58:00

where can you buy flax seed? and does it taste nice? what do you do with it?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 13-Jun-12 19:33:23

Addicted I have just ordered some from holland and Barrett.
I am planning to add it to shakes, baking, porridge etc.

I am struggling on calories again today, over 400 remaining confused

I am consistently low on protein... what can i eat (esp as snacks i guess, but in general)???? Other than shakes...

ceebeegeebies Wed 13-Jun-12 21:04:49

I have just realised that it shows you what your net calories are on the Home page of MFP blush I have been sat there with a calculator when I do exercise to try and work out what my net calories are blush grin

Trills Wed 13-Jun-12 21:10:38

Toby I love you. Nut milk is indeed fnar fnar grin

ceebeegeebies Wed 13-Jun-12 21:17:22

I had about 200 calories left tonight so have made myself a nutella hot chocolate with full-fat milk - yum yum yum grin I figured there has to be some protein in nutella and does this count as my own home-made version of hazelnut milk?? wink

quirkychick Wed 13-Jun-12 21:31:54

Mmm... nutella hot chocolate. My friend makes squidgy chocolate cake with nutella in the middle.

I am low on cals due to lots of exercise, and low on protein too. I am eating a huge bowl of ready brek with ground almonds.

Protein snacks: Hardboiled eggs , packets of deli meat or naice ham (assuming ££ not an issue), cottage cheese, raw mushrooms (or is it just me?), tofu.
I had 250 spare calories which I easily demolished in the form of brazil nuts and dark chocolate grin

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 21:37:23

addicted, flaxseed = linseed. The woman in Holland and Barrett told me. I felt like a right knob! I buy mine in the baking section of Sainsbury's and put them in smoothies, baking, fridge porridge etc.

TobyLerone Wed 13-Jun-12 22:02:20

For the first time ever, I've just had to make myself eat something so that I got up to my BMR. And I'd had a beer in the pub. And today wasn't a gym day -- we just took a gentle walk to the park, played frisbee, walked to the pub and then walked home.

mumat39 Thu 14-Jun-12 00:08:35

Hello. Hope this finds you all well.

I've had a bit of a breakthrough today. Haven't wanted biscuits at all - and haven't had any all day. I did get a bit hungry in the middle of doing a load of washing up and munched on a few rocky road bites, but yesterday I had those and a pack of biscuits, so feeling like maybe I've finished catching up after the few months of 1200 cal diet and years of just not eating well or enough of anything.

So, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the cravings won't return, but today was a very good day. I even made some chocolate crispy cakes for my DC and there's still alot left in the tub as I've not been eating them. AMAZING!!

Shirley, could this mean that my metabolism has been reset? I watched a couple of the videos on the face book page you linked to at the start of this thread and am not sure how I would know if I am out of 'starvation mode', If that makes sense.

Also, I have taken my measurements so will monitor those but a few people seem to have a target/ideal weight they're aiming for. How do I know what my ideal/target weight should be? Or do I keep going until I stop losing weight/inches?

Thanks in advance.

mumat39 Thu 14-Jun-12 00:11:01

Although I know this is not a diet and more of a way of eating forever, at some point do I go back to eating at TDEE? I realise this is a long way off but I'd just like to understand how this WOE works in the long, forever term?

Thanks again and sorry if I'm asking really daft questions.

addictediam Thu 14-Jun-12 06:53:34

Last night I really wasn't hungry but didn't like the savoury taste in my mouth. I went searching the cupboards and found a snickers. I didn't even enjoy it.

Anyone have any suggestions of sweet tasting things I could have instead? I was thinking a glass of squash or some frootz.

If anyone has an idea of getting rid of my sweet tooth altogether I'll be greatful

addictediam Thu 14-Jun-12 06:58:02

Mumat I think when your happy with your weight/size you would start eating tdee. I plan on not being so strict and not weighing everything all the time but using what ive lernt here eg more protine, healthier snacks etc to maintain my ideal weight/size

bunjies Thu 14-Jun-12 09:08:30

addicted - I usually have a spoonful of Whole Earth unsweetened peanut butter or a couple of squares of dark chocolate as I like to have something sweet with my evening coffee. My current favourite chocolate is the Lidl 81% one which is an amazing 99p. Or what about some full fat greek yoghurt with some honey or maple syrup stirred in?

addictediam Thu 14-Jun-12 09:15:12

I think i have just had a breakthrough!

My baby has been screaming all morning. So I thought screw it I need chocolate. I took put 9 squares (shes miracle itself as I had more than 1 bar in there), started eating and thought I'm not hungry, I dont wsnt this, I don't need this. So I put 6 back again! Before I would eat a whole oversized bar then the other in the cupboard and phone dh to bring home more

ShirleyKnot Thu 14-Jun-12 09:19:36

Morning all!

I managed to get a smoothie (without protein powder and flax obv) down DS2 this morning, which was FAB as he's stopped eating the fruit in his lunches lately. It was nice to get 2 of his 5 a day down him first thing! smile

muma - I doubt that you have "reset" yet TBH. From the masses of stuff I've read I believe it takes about 6 weeks for your body to really trust that you're not going to start starving it again. PATIENCE is all. grin As to adjusting your levels? My understanding is that when the scales drop 5lbs you should recalculate your TDEE, and adjust your calories accordingly. I've bolded that for all those lucky posters who have seen significant shifts in their scale weight. In the long term/forever once you have achieved a weight/size that you are content with then you will eat at TDEE without the 15% cut.

addicted - Get RID of all the chocolate and biscuits and CRAP. I know that often we say "Oh, but it's not fair on the children" but really? REALLY? If it ain't in the house it can't be eaten. I give my boys a quid on the weekend to go and buy sweets and chocolate at the weekend. That way they're not constantly stuffing it into their faces on a daily basis, the temptation isn't there for ME and the kids will NO WAY let me pinch any of their "treats" hmm grin

Berries, dried fruit, dark chocolate and yoghurts can give you that sweet hit you're looking for without too much sugar.

I think I've worked out that funny anomoly on MFP we were discussing on the last thread where total calories on diaries viewed didn't add up to the calories in the actual meals. My diary is set up with 6 meals, when I view a diary which is set up with 3 (for example) it still shows 6 x meals but the last 3 are "empty" IYKWIM? So, if I were looking at a diary with 8 meals, my view would miss off 2 of the meals. confused

ShirleyKnot Thu 14-Jun-12 09:20:01

x posted with your addicted¬!

ShirleyKnot Thu 14-Jun-12 09:22:20

Oh whoops and I forgot to say that MFP only seems to do that when I'm viewing diaries on my mobile app!

amalur Thu 14-Jun-12 11:15:18

Hi all. Well done MrsMango on your weight loss, it is great to see it working for some people. I am in the "struggling not too eat more than my allowance" camp. I am not sure how some of you struggle to eat all your calories, I have no trouble at all! Nuts are my downfall.
Today I started well with a fridge oatmeal and a white coffee and have a salad with boiled egg and ham for lunch. I am really struggling to reach my protein quota but I haven't had time to really look into my macros and see what I am eating too much of.
I love the mobile app, and the barcode scan thingy! I almost like eating things with a barcode so I can enter it into my diary, which kind of defeats the point...
I should manage to go running this lunchtime, and with a simple chicken and veg dinner, I should be well within limits today.
Love reading about all your ideas.

TobyLerone Thu 14-Jun-12 12:15:20

Well done mumat and addicted on your breakthroughs grin

I am actually in love with fridge oatmeal, and so is DP -- he's eating breakfast on a regular basis for the first time, which is excellent. Today's was blueberry and almond with maple syrup. I've only just eaten it because I had a smoothie for breakfast which kept me full until now. It actually feels quite decadent, even though it's all healthy shiz.

This is how much of a difference getting up off your arse makes: my daily Nike+ points goal, as measured by my Fuelband, is 3000. Nike class this as an 'active' day (2000 is a 'normal' day). When the guy set it up for me, I told him to set it for 3000 every day and I'd see how I got on and maybe put it down to 2000 on workdays, as I sit at a desk all day. But I've managed to reach 3000 every day so far, with a bit of effort.
The other day, when I got to the gym at 4.30pm after work, I was on about 1200 points (and 460 calories burnt so far) and was concerned I wouldn't get my 3000. It was a struggle, but I did it.
Well, this morning I've been doing a slightly different job -- nothing too strenuous, but I was on my feet (mostly stationary) from 9am - 11.30am and ran up and down the stairs about 10 times, sometimes carrying things.
My Fuelband now reads 2826 points and 791 calories burnt, and it's only lunchtime!

So the moral of that long and boring story was get off your arse! It doesn't have to be anything too strenuous at all. But clearly being upright and moving, even minimally, is the way forward.
I know this is common sense. It just surprised me how much difference it made smile

quirkychick Thu 14-Jun-12 14:42:58

Addictediam- I'm the same with the chocolate as I thought I wanted some of dd1's dairy milk and it tasted horrid and sickly.

I really like the fruity fridge oatmeal (not the banana/choc one). So far strawberry/vanilla, cherry/almond & blackberry/cinnamon all delish. For those not feeling full: make them bigger 1 1/2 portions size. I eat some when I get up before the dcs, after doing some weights. Then I have some later with the dcs before the school run. I don't need a snack then. < ignores carrot cake that would have been rude not to eat>

TobyLerone Thu 14-Jun-12 15:04:07

I'm so fed up of my gym plans/progress being scuppered by stupid low-level health issues/injuries. So far in the last 6 weeks I've had gastritis, an asthma flare-up, sciatica, a chest infection and now I've hurt my back. I really want to go to the gym, put all my stuff in the car to go after work (optimistically thinking this morning that the back issue would ease off with movement throughout the day), but I just don't want to aggravate it and it's no better. It's a recurrent problem and one which I have some lovely anti-inflammatories from the doctor for, but I can't take them because of the gastritis.

I'm like a bloody old woman. I think I'll give it a miss and will go home and turn out some cupboards instead.

Trills Thu 14-Jun-12 15:14:12

I've decided I'm not a fan of the fridge oatmeal, but I do like DP's protein shake stuff (he has ti for after the gym) so I think I'll stick to that for my breakfast.

Work from home day today so I can have hardboiled eggs as a snack, unfortunately I'll be away all weekend so I'm not sure what I'll be eating or how much I'll be in charge of it.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 14-Jun-12 15:15:39

Toby that is crap. sad

I was scuppered repeatedly over the winter with a recurring viral thing which triggered my asthma - every time I felt better and could exercise, it flared up again. I still haven't got back into exercising regularly!

It sounds like you are managing to be pretty active even so though. I looked online at a fuel band last night, fainted at the price and decided not to bother grin

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Thu 14-Jun-12 15:16:00

I feel for you toby! I was managing regular 8-10k runs before I had an operation, then a post op infection and now I have a chest infection too! I think the important thing is to allow yourself time to rest and get better, and remember at least if you have a small calorie deficit you at least won't be gaining weight even if you are not losing it very quickly! You'll be able to get back into the swing of things soon. I lost a few pounds whilst recovering from my op just by watching what I ate, but not too strictly. Hope you are on the mend soon! smile

TobyLerone Thu 14-Jun-12 15:18:57

It's so bloody frustrating, isn't it? You want to go and do something, but your body says 'no!'. I really don't want to make it worse, so I'll give it a miss tonight in the hope I can go tomorrow instead. Turning out cupboards will go down as 'cleaning' on MFP instead grin

Yes, the Fuelband is expensive. I would have bought one anyway because I am very easily led and like gadgets, but DP decided to buy mine as an anniversary present, so I was lucky.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Thu 14-Jun-12 15:22:16

Oh and also just read your post about everyday activities Toby, and I totes agree, when recovering from the op I just made sure to do a lot of gentle activity even though I couldn't do anything strenuous and that really seemed to help. However this chest infection has really k Ickes me for six. I feel so physically exhausted so every night I have been doing the bare essentials and then heading straight to bed. sad managed to get to docs yesterday though and have started antibs today so hopefully i'llbe up on my feet more soon. smile

TobyLerone Thu 14-Jun-12 15:24:20

sad sorry you're feeling crappy, housewife. Hope the ABs work fast -- they usually do.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Thu 14-Jun-12 15:27:37

I hope they do too for the sake of the rest of the household, noone sleeps at night for me coughing!!!

Aww I'd love a fuel band! Thing is I can't wear anything round my wrist at work as I work in hospitals. Does anyone make a similar thing just with a chest strap that goes under your clothes? I'm guessing it monitors your hr?

I too love gadgets! grin

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 14-Jun-12 17:09:49

realhousewife - there is another gadget called a fitbit which is a more traditional pedometer shape, and you can clip it to your waistband or wherever. I have been considering getting one for a while.

I did order the wrist band thing that Apple released, but they stopped making them due to a manufacturing fault.

<also a gadget lover>

MinnieBar Thu 14-Jun-12 18:24:11

Well today DS (5) dislocated his elbow so after witnessing them popping it back in, tonight I will be falling off the healthy eating wagon spectacularly head-first into a giant bar of Crunchie Dairy Milk <shrugs>

Tomorrow is another day…

quirkychick Thu 14-Jun-12 18:28:41

realhousewife I had a horrible chest infection just before I started this. You really do need to rest and eat well then start exercising slowly.

Tobey hope you feel better soon. I know how you feel. I have had a run of infections kindly shared by the dds. Bad health just sucks.

quirkychick Thu 14-Jun-12 18:29:56

minniebar your poor ds.

TobyLerone Thu 14-Jun-12 18:44:08

sad Minnie

AllMuddledUp Thu 14-Jun-12 18:45:08

Minnie poor DS, hope he recovers well from it, must have been awful.

I'm having a curry tonight, takeaway, and don't think I'll be logging it on MFP grin and we have 3 days of birthdays/going out this weekend so I may be a little quiet!

I'm not going to go bonkers though or see it as carte blanche to scoff everything in sight.I'm still going to eat through the day to avoid having a massive pig out when we go out. Monday will be back to normal.

Today I have walked really far, shoving DNephew in his buggy, and have been soooo hungry all day. I have been using him as a weight today grin lifting him up and down all day is bound to build up my muscles!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 14-Jun-12 19:14:20

Christ Minnie, I'm not sure I wouldn't have vomited! Your poor DS, I hope he is on the mend soon x

Today in Sainsbury's I bought some smoked mackerel. What do I do with it? It is a bit of a departure for me, I'm strictly a salmon-only girl when it comes to oily fish. It isn't the peppered sort, just normal.

Also, I bought some special jars to do fridge-porridge in, so that DH can take one on the train in the morning. I do have random jars, but I thought he might look a numpty. I'm an idiot, aren't I? blush

MinnieBar Thu 14-Jun-12 19:17:23

Thanks all, he managed to play Lego Star Wars so he's definitely on the mend! Very sad face in bed when he realised he couldn't sleep on that side though.

No idea on the mackerel front here I'm afraid. Similar question about tinned sardines - do you eat them whole?? Or do you have to top and tail them?? It's been years since I ate them and quite fancy trying again but can't remember confused

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Thu 14-Jun-12 19:25:22

Whatever floats your boat, Ali! You could just use a lidded Tupperware
< humdrum >.
dislocated elbow sounds hideous - poor thing - and poor you! I'd have the wine well cracked open by now.

Ideas for wanting something sweet of an evening: peaches tinned in fruit juice, with Greek yoghurt and maybe some toasted flaked almonds if you have enough cals. Just sweet enough to be pleasant but not so's to spike your blood sugar if that's an issue. Makes a nice pudding also. You could use the frozen forest fruits or freah berries as well, although most people will probably reach for the sweetener as they're more tangy.

If you have to have something sugary, meringue nests do the trick - again, with Greek yoghurt/fruit. You could just crumble half a one in and gradually reduce the amount you need if you're trying to wean off the sugar.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Thu 14-Jun-12 19:30:09

Oh mackerel - I think I might be weird, but I like it heated and put in a sandwich with mayonnaise added. You can also make pate with cream cheese (some people add cottage cheese) and lemon juice. Nice with a baked spud or crispbreads I'm told but I can't stand them.

It's years since I had tinned sardines but I had some fresh ones (well, in a packet with garlic, lemon and chilli from Sainsbury's) the other day, and they had no heads on. They were delish actually - must get some more.

Ali I love smoked mackerel. It's good with steamed spinach, with tomato-based sauce, with potato, as kedgeree in rice, on toast etc etc. Or just on its own with salad and cherry tomatoes. Or you can make pate with cream cheese and lemon juice, maybe some fresh parsley.

I had some last night with green lentils in tomato sauce (not really sauce, just passata and herbs) and noodles. The noodles were a slightly random addition, as DS had requested them.

TobyLerone Thu 14-Jun-12 20:06:20

I normally eat smoked mackerel cold, on its own, with salad. Or with a hardboiled egg or 2 for a high-protein breakfast.

quirkychick Thu 14-Jun-12 21:03:12

Smoked mackerel is yummy hot or cold. Good with eggs and horseradish sauce, with avocado and pumperknickel or crispbreads, delicious in pate... Aldi do scrummy smoked mackerel with lemon and parsley but watch the bones. Might have some for lunch tomorrow.

Just watching Men Who Made Us Fat.

Cartoonjane Thu 14-Jun-12 21:07:18

I might have missed something but I have a question: if this way of eating is all about calories in versus calories out as it seems to be, does it actually matter where the calories come from? I ask this not because I want to eat unhealthy foods ( I actually have quite healthy tastes), but just to understand better what it's about and why it works.

ceebeegeebies Thu 14-Jun-12 21:13:20

Smoked mackerel - envy <-- that is for barf, not envy btw wink

Minnie your poor DS - hope he sleeps ok sad Enjoy the Crunchie dairy milk - I think that is probably one of my favourite chocolate bars in the world and really wish that they did them in 'normal' bar size!

Have gone slightly over my net calories today but still well within my TDEE-15% plus exercise calories so I guess it will be ok - it is only about 100 cals anyway. But unfortunately no nutella hot choc for me tonight - mmm squidgy nutella choc cake sounds divine - does your friend share the recipe??

toby yes I feel your pain re the gym. I tore my calf muscle about 9 months ago and rushed back and ended up having to rest for about 3-4 weeks longer than I would have done if I had just rested it in the first place - I definitely learnt my lesson!

quirkychick Thu 14-Jun-12 21:27:43

ceebeegeebies I might have to ask her for the recipe. Both dds scoffed it, so I guess it tasted good!

cartoonjane I think that the macros of 30% fat, 30% protein and 40% carbs is supposed to be optimum. Also, eating clean and low sugar/gi stops blood sugar levels spiking which makes you crave more. I'm sure someone will come along and explain it better.

Only thing with smoked mackerel is the salt levels - almost a whole day's worth of sodium in a 100g portion. shock

cartoonjane It's easier to eat the right amount for your body if you eat it in forms that your body easily recognises.

The Michael Pollan book is good for explaining this, also the Jillian Michaels book 'Master your metabolism' which goes into a lot of details about the hormones involved in metabolism. Her plan is a bit too strict for me, but I think it would be brilliant if you wanted quick and healthy loss.

quirkychick Thu 14-Jun-12 22:05:48

SE both smoked mackerel and smoked salmon have high salt, but if you factor that into your days food I suppose it's ok. Tinned and fresh mackerel really yummy too.

Whoever asked about sardines you can buy tinned which are skinless and boneless. French make Connetable are very delicious but more pricy.

ElvisJesusAndCocaCola Fri 15-Jun-12 11:56:23

I always eat tinned sardines and salmon with the bones - you don't notice them and they are I think a great source of calcium.

I have been keeping up with this thread but not posting much as I'm on my phone and it's a hassle to type. Am really motivated by everyone's ideas, commitment and weightless, though.

Glad your ds is on the mend, Minnie.

I have been doing pretty well, a bit on the flexible side, shall we say, but as I'm bf and weigh less than ever before in my adult life, I'm not really bothered about losing now. I might try for half a stone later in the year. I'm concentrating on running: completed c25k this
Morning. Anyone else running?

Maryz Fri 15-Jun-12 12:09:19

Did any of you see the programme on tv last night about the sugar myth? It was all about how fat wasn't the enemy or the cause of obesity, but sugar was.

I can't find a discussion on it, but I think it was bbc2.

ooh maryz will have a look and see if on iplayer.

Cross with mfp right now. Not sure how, but it/i reset my goals to the super low 1200 odd ones it thought i needed. wondered why it was not letting me have much more to eat once i had logged everything <phew>. But have taken the opportunity to reset the values taking into account the weight i have lost. Gaah, hate losing caloriessad

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Fri 15-Jun-12 13:19:46

Maryz, I didn't see that, but I read an article in the Guardian based on it. John Briffa says that too and goes into lots of detail about how sugar/carbs raise your insulin levels and the insulin stores the excess glucose as fat. It was fascinating! The Guardian said that the US had deliberately flogged corn and sugar based foods because they were so cheap to produce, even though they make us fat. Briffa says that all carbs are empty calories and cause blood sugar spikes, which lead to hunger and cravings. Fat, on the other hand, satiates you and you naturally eat less of it.

Also, I found the first diet plan online - it's called A Letter on Corpulence, written by William Banting in 1868 - and he advocates cutting out bread, potatoes, sugar, milk and beer. He includes a diet plan that consists mainly of meat, fish, fruit and veg, although he also has large allowances of wine. This caught on like wildfire in the late 1860s and 70s and 'banting' became a synonym for dieting. So they knew then that sugar and starch were the enemies!

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Fri 15-Jun-12 13:22:00
ShotgunNotDoingThePans Fri 15-Jun-12 13:47:44

I saw that programme. I already knew the bit about sugar being the enemy rather than fat - but I hadn't realised the cynical, self-serving machinations of the food industry (why should that surprise me?), when they refused to allow any fingers to be pointed at sugar as the source of obesity and ill-health, but were happy to go down the 'fat makes you fat' route, since this meant a whole new industry and source of profit opened up. Replacing the flavour lost by removing the fat with sugar - win-win.

Shame the presenter had such a dull voice - I'm sure a lot of people would have turned over and missed the whole message.

So illuminating, though..

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Fri 15-Jun-12 14:08:22

Have just started watching it on iPlayer - am horrified at the thin presenter having 5 litres of fat around his organs! God, imagine what I've got! blush

quirkychick Fri 15-Jun-12 14:11:04

I agree it was really interesting! Michael Pollan talks about the American high fructose corn syrup too. All the neuroscience about how it hooks you too - there was a recent program with a female dr (sorry can't remember her name) who looked at research into how obese people's brains were addicted to high cal food and how bariatric surgery changed that spiral of addiction.

I did know the sugar industry was very powerful but I didn't realise they had affected WHO recommendations. Shocking!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 15-Jun-12 14:19:51

I saw that last night, really interesting. I was practically sitting on DH to make him watch it too!

Thanks for the ideas about mackerel, I will give it a go for lunch tomorrow I think. I especially like the creme fraiche, lemon etc idea as I really like tuna this way.
I am not worried about the salt, I have discovered doing this that I eat very little salt - most days I'm between 800-1000mg of sodium so well under the 2500. I was shocked at how salty bought 'naice' ham is though, I will be buying and soaking a piece of gammon and baking my own from now on - which I do anyway but no more bought ham here.

Shotgun - I thought the presenter was unspeakably dull, which is a shame because what he had to say was very interesting.

Maryz Fri 15-Jun-12 16:07:18

I missed some of it and can't get iplayer, but now I know what it's called I can get it, thanks.

I saw the bit about the sugar industry in the us, and also the bit about the whole diet food industry, which is really frightening. I remember back in the 70s how everyone thought "low fat = no calorie" and of course it usually doesn't.

knitknack Fri 15-Jun-12 17:58:12

I'm at day 17 of no sugar now! No grains either, still can't believe it. I'm also on day two of totm and got a total shock because 1. No warning - no pain, spots or feeling irrationally annoyed with dh and ds's and 2. STILL no pain (usually ave to use feminax)... This oukd e coincidental of cirse but it's making me want to keep going for another month to see if next totm is the same! Still feeling strangely calm and floating along - just had 9B for period 6 on a Friday (imagine 32 14 year olds who can't stop themselves from shouting/making other assorted weird noises) and it was great! I was bouncing around the classroom laughing and keeping them focused and on task where normally I'd have had them working in silence ollowing all sorts of threats - so much nicer I could nearly cry!

Doesn't mean I'm not sat here now imagining an enormous bag of maltesers mind you :D

Hope everyone's doing well smile

quirkychick Fri 15-Jun-12 17:58:33

Alibaba smoked mackerel with creme fraiche & lemon is luscious! I had aldi's lemon & parsley smoked mackerel for lunch-really yummy! There was another thread yesterday about oily fish/mackerel there might be a few more ideas on there.

I am trying to cut down a little on carbs and to hit the 30% protein. Currently have 52% fat! But I have had almond milk in my smoothie, almond butter, mackerel... so all good fats. I have done loads of walking so need to eat back some <dds fishfingers were delicious wink>

knitknack Fri 15-Jun-12 17:59:13

Not helping me type on this iPad though is it? sad

quirkychick Fri 15-Jun-12 18:01:02

knitknack what are your macros like on low/no carbing btw? Are your fats high?

knitknack Fri 15-Jun-12 18:12:51

Yes, i think so - I can see a litre pie chart on MFP, so I'll list the last few days - I'm not worried about fats though, fats are good!

Monday: fat 46% protein 32% carbs 22%
Tues: fat 58% protein 27% carbs 15%
Weds fat 63% protein 26% carbs 11%
Thurs fat 63% protein 19% carbs 18%

I don't really know what that means - I'm still wandering around in shock that I haven't eaten any sugar! I guess I should start thinking about macros? Im coming within 3lbs of not wanting to lose any more weight also. Would hugely appreciate any advice! smile

quirkychick Fri 15-Jun-12 18:29:05

Interesting, knitknack you have done so well!

My fats are quite similar but carbs higher as I started with a little wholegrain at each meal/snack plus some other carbs. I am starting to reduce so carbs much less today.

I think if you lose 5lbs you need to recalculate your bmr etc.

knitknack Fri 15-Jun-12 18:37:51

Gosh yes that's a good point actually - I probably should recalculate, thank you for that! I'm still eating some berries each day and I just had half a melon (which tasted like nectar of the gods!) so I'm still having carbs, I'm still eating cheese and last night I had a sweet potato... I'm reading lots of 'paleo' type books/blogs now - I want to hang on to this feeling!!

Quirky can I ask why you've decided to cut down on carbs in this way? Was sugar a problem for you or is it to do with overall health? I did think when I started this that I'd go back to whets after two weeks bu now I really don't want to!

quirkychick Fri 15-Jun-12 18:43:40

No sugar not a massive problem but I have read a few paleo/low carb books. I just can't go straight into really low carbing, I have tried it before. I also haven't been hitting my protein targets at all so upping protein seems a good tactic at the mo. Definitely feeling much more energetic and happier eating this way!

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Fri 15-Jun-12 18:58:07

Hi peeps! Just wondering of any of you have any advice on a low carb cheese sauce? Made cauliflower cheese tonight and attempt to make a sauce with just cheese and milk but it seperated and curdled. I was trying to avoid flour, but will just a little bit not do too much harm? Or has anyone else made a cheese sauce successfully without it? smile

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Fri 15-Jun-12 18:58:45

I must say, I do find the macros strange < thick >.

This week I haven't had any sugar apart from the odd bit of fruit. I've been having my usual generous dose of protein plus what I consider a 'normal' amount of brown carbs (two slices of bread for a sandwich or half a cup of rice with my meal etc).

But my macros come out as very heavy weighted on the carbs side - even when I've supposedly eaten over target % for protein and under for carbs, the proportions still don't seem to reflect this.

I must be doing something wrong or mis-interpreting things. Don't sweat it, though - I just find it a bit baffling.

realhousewife I would use creme fraiche and add grated cheese, then heat gently.

shotgun I think what we see as 'normal' amounts of carbs, is actually quite high when trying to hit the 30% protein macro and stay within calories.

knitknack Fri 15-Jun-12 19:58:01

I agree, I've eaten a melon today (sooooo sweet) but now my carbs are the highest they've been since I started and are higher than my protein:

Fat 43% carbs 31% protein 26%

It was only a little melon! (heee worth it though!)

bucketbetty Fri 15-Jun-12 20:14:45

Has anyone actually lost any weight doing this? I had a bad week last week but back on it again. I've not lost even a pound. I would be so happy just to see a pound, just a wee pound. I really feel I'm eating too much to lose any weight. I wish I could stop feeling I should be eating less and I guess suffering more.

knitknack Fri 15-Jun-12 20:25:18

I've lost 7.5 now!

ShirleyKnot Fri 15-Jun-12 20:26:22

hmm

I think if you're after scale loss, and you're not only not sticking to the WOE but also not reading the threads then you're on a hiding to nowhere bucket.

bucketbetty Fri 15-Jun-12 20:54:46

I've been reading the thread, not all but really interested. I'm just not feeling it. I really want to. I've tried a range of things. Low cal definitely works but not sustainable. I ll keep going but have reservations. smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 15-Jun-12 20:55:34

betty what were you doing eating-wise before you started doing this? If you've been eating very low calories, then it will take a while for things to sort themselves out.

ShirleyKnot Fri 15-Jun-12 21:03:49

The opening post of this thread warns readers that this is not a quick fix, you probably won't lose weight at the beginning - and if you've been "cheating" either by going over your calories consistently or coming in under them, then you haven't really been following this process.

Believe me, I know, I was terrible over the jubilee weekend, and then again last weekend. I'm bloated and I am SAFTFBS. That's MY fault though, I haven't been eating properly or exercising enough and that's why I'm not seeing the results I want. I could, of course, drop my calories by 500 per day and probably lose 3 lbs in 2 days. 3 lbs of water, none of fat and I'd be miserable and fucked off while I starved myself, and then even more miserable when that 3lb comes back - which it would.

What is your BMR, TDEE and TDEE - cut? how long have you been trying to eat at your cut? Where you eating at low calorie levels for a long time before you started this WOE?

Maryz Fri 15-Jun-12 21:54:38

I have lost no weight, but have lots about 2 inches around my middle and have loads more energy.

So for me it is working (slowly, and with a week off in the middle of my two and a half weeks).

It is (very slowly) changing the way I eat.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Fri 15-Jun-12 22:08:08

Betty I struggled a bit at first - only that I loved getting back to a cleaner way of eating, and I knew I'd lost weight and felt healthier eating this way in the past, kept me going.

My weight went up a fair bit to start with, but I'm trying to keep in mind the fact that it can take your body several weeks to trust that it's going to be consistently fed, and start releasing the excess fat.

This morning I was 1 1/2 lbs less than this time last week - that may be another of my many blips, but it's enough to keep me on track and even if it takes 6 months to lose the rest - it's been four years now of trying and failing, so that'll be a major achievement.

I've just added 2 hours of food prep to my diary; i actually spent about 4 hrs but couldn't bring myself to include it. Family buffet tomorrow (hate buffet food), so I've been slaving over quiches, coronation chicken and trifle. Be interesting to see how my cals go. Life getting in the way again smile.

Shotgun I have been baking today at DS's request, so adding recipes to MFP. Astonished to find that a whole carrot cake (without icing) is over 3000 calories shock - an iced portion in a cafe must be around 600 calories I reckon.

Maryz Great work. I am not eating as cleanly as the rest of you, but I am eating fewer calories and more protein, and I also feel better.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Fri 15-Jun-12 23:33:40

Seventh who are you on MFP? I'm not sure how to add anyone, but I'd love to drool over the menus for a 2500-a-dayer!

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Sat 16-Jun-12 06:28:34

Ooh thank you seventh, that sounds delicious! smile

quirkychick Sat 16-Jun-12 08:04:19

I know seventh, I had a small piece of carrot cake on thurs and had to double check the calories as I thought mfp had put in a whole cake! Sadly not...

We will be having cream tea on Sunday at dp's request, so I will have to force myself. Goodness only knows how many calories in my very buttery scone recipe with jam and clotted cream grin.

bibbetybobbityboo Sat 16-Jun-12 15:01:23

Gah i'm over on fat again today, i seem to be able to stick to the calorie limit ok but am struggling to get the right balance. Always low on protein despite my best efforts and over on either fat or carbs. Will get there with it though. Good news is though i tried on some size 12 jeans today and while they werent exactly flattering i could do them up easy enough! I had a blip day a couple of days ago beause i had no food in for breakfast, struggled to get going in the morning so didn't get out in time to get food in for a mid morning snack and this snowballed so that by the end of the day i felt terrible and was glugging dandelion and burdock to get a bit of sugar to see me through the evening. Quite a contrast to the days when i have eaten better! Just shows what an effect it has.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 16-Jun-12 16:50:07

bibbity the fat amount on MFP is set incredibly low. I looked up the NHS guidelines for amounts of fat and picked somewhere in the middle of their suggested band.

Besides, fat is good because it fills you up and stops you eating sugary crap.

I put the recipe of our dinner for tonight into MFP earlier - really surprised at how calorific it is - 840 for one portion!

knitknack Sat 16-Jun-12 21:30:08

Mmmmmmm just eaten this with s mountain of cauliflower - stuffed!!

Looks great knitknack The comments policy on that site always makes me grin.

knitknack Sat 16-Jun-12 22:12:32

Me too! I only found it yesterday, it's very funny

mumat39 Sun 17-Jun-12 00:00:03

The guy that runs that site, Mark Sisson, is the author of the Primal Blueprint and it's a really interesting book. I think the eating plan is similar to Paleo.

Knitknack, that looks delicious! how do you find the cauliflower with it? They mention cauliflower rice in the book which is just boiled and grated cauliflower. I've never tried it as I've never been sure I like it.

ShirleyKnot Sun 17-Jun-12 06:04:37

Cauliflower rice is AMAZEBALLS!

Do try it, celeriac mash/wedges/chips are also fabulous.

Cauliflower chips?

bibbetybobbityboo Sun 17-Jun-12 06:30:13

Oh thats interesting Ali, so i perhaps don't need to worry if i'm a bit over provided its mostly good fat. Will check out the nhs guidelines. Thanks smile

MinnieBar Sun 17-Jun-12 07:40:24

Back home again now and I really need to kick-start my eating again - I've not eaten well the last couple of days and I definitely feel worse for it. DD1 has got a party to go to today - I'm really hoping it's a drop-off so I won't be tempted to wolf the kids' lunch food… wink

MinnieBar Sun 17-Jun-12 07:42:54

Btw does anyone have any good suggestions for quinoa?

quirkychick Sun 17-Jun-12 07:47:39

I haven't eaten it for a while, but I think you could do a tabbouleh salad thing with lots of herbs, pine nuts/toasted flaked almonds, spring onion, cucumber, tomato or with roasted veg? Serve with yummy fish or chicken... Google recipes for rice/couscous/bulghar wheat you could swap it for that.

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Sun 17-Jun-12 07:59:35

Minniebar I have a gorgeous recipe for roasted chickpea and quinoa tabbouleh, I will dig it out and post it later... smile

quirkychick Sun 17-Jun-12 08:07:24

MadameGlamour that sounds really yummy...

ShirleyKnot Sun 17-Jun-12 08:44:04

I had treated it like couscous. I did a chorizo and sun dried tomato thing (fry off chorizo and red onion and then add sun dried tomatoes jus to warm through and stir into quinoa)

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Sun 17-Jun-12 09:03:30

Thank you for reminding me that quinoa exists! I had been trying to do low carb but as a veggie it is really hard, and tbh I felt really ill on it, naesous and tired! I'm obviously not one of the people who finds themselves feeling full of energy, I need my carbs! But think I will just stick to whole grains and low gi carbs like quinoa. grin

knitknack Sun 17-Jun-12 09:03:42

Wow that sounds delicious! I'm going to try it! Love sundries tomatoes!

Since I was going all out yesterday with that recipe I actually grated the cauliflower - but usually I just mash it with a fork!! Cauliflower is my rice now and cabbage is my pasta!

Only a few weeks ago I never had the ENERGY to be trying new recipes at 7pm - id be crashed on the sofa after a hard days sugaring smile

Incidentally if anyone else loves coconut milk and has amazon prime you can get twelve cans delivered for £8 - if you have any ethnic/Indian/Thai supermarkets it'll be even cheaper but sadly they've yet to reach the wilds of the Suffolk/Norfolk borders!!

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Sun 17-Jun-12 09:59:39

Here is recipe, it is a Patrick holford one (recipes are great but he tends to plug his supplements all the time which I don't like):

Roasted chickpea and lemon tabbouleh

Preheat oven to 200/gas6

Cook 140g quinoa in 390ml water with 1tsp bouillon powder for 13 mins.

Toss 1 can drained chickpeas in 1tblsp oil and 1tsp cumin, 1 clove crushed garlic, zest of 1/2 lemon and juice of whole lemon and 1tblsp sesame seeds and roast for 30 mins.

Mix chickpeas with cooked quinoa, black pepper, chopped parsley and another tblsp of olive oil.

It really is scrummy, I have taken it to bbqs as a salad and it has always gone down very well. smile

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Sun 17-Jun-12 10:01:36

P.s. cover the quinoa when you cook it.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Sun 17-Jun-12 12:30:41

That sounds lovely. I always forget about roasting chickpeas. I used to make a lovely red pepper/aubergine/sweet potato/chickpea thing, all chopped into small cubes and roasted together. Think it came from a Terence Stamp book.
But that one sounds great for a quick lunch.

I really need to wean myself off the lunchtime sandwich habit - just laziness and erm habit I suppose smile.

quirkychick Sun 17-Jun-12 12:53:54

That sounds lovely! I was looking at quinoa the other day...

Knitknack there are 2 asian/chinese supermarkets in Norwich.
Apparently the milk/juice? is much cheaper. The coconut oil is too.

quirkychick Sun 17-Jun-12 12:55:26

*coconut water is what I meant!

addictediam Sun 17-Jun-12 17:35:26

hello, I've spent the last 3 days stress eating blush but i think I've been around my tdee (i stopped mpf after havign chocolate for breakfast!)

my myprotine order has arrived and I think/hope am no longer stressing (selling a house is a pita)

so tomorrow i'm starting again. I would start now but there is a chocolate bar and rocky road calling out to me, and it would be rude to ignore, plus dh is cooking as its fathers day (confused, but its what he enjoys) so its going to be callorific.

addicted Small blow out does not have to equal big blow out. Why not have some of the chocolate after the big supper, if you still want it?

addictediam Sun 17-Jun-12 18:07:49

Lol, sorry its not really a big blow out. I'll be just about within my 2200 tdee but nowhere near macros.

I also measured myself this morning and had lost 1 more inch, meaning 6 inches in 3ish weeks grin

I won't be eating anything till after dinner, but I forgot to eat breakfast, ate a bannana and a digestive for lunch as I also forgot.

ceebeegeebies Sun 17-Jun-12 19:34:18

Ladies, please can you come and give me some moral support smile I completely believe in this WOE and, tbh, am enjoying it too grin but am yet to see much difference to my body sad

I am SAFTFBS so have no idea about my weight and have also not measured myself but I was hoping, after 2 weeks, that my clothes would have been a bit looser but I don't think they are. I didn't think that I needed to reset my metabolism particularly as I wasn't on a diet before starting this...

Please come and reassure me that I just need to be patient and I will see results smile

addictediam Sun 17-Jun-12 19:42:49

be patient, you will see results. I've only lost inches i think because i really was starving myself before and now am eaating 3 meals a day and they are quite healthy (just not this past weekend!)

stay with it. you will start to see results. it doesnt matter if you were on a diet before, the science behind this woe is sound so eventually it will happen.

HearMyRoar Sun 17-Jun-12 20:58:15

Hello! Can I come and join your gang? smile

I have been lurking about like some kind of creepy stalker ghost for about a week now and am totally converted to this new WOE. I do have lots of questions though.

I have joined MFP and have been inputting for the past few days (it does take bloody ages doesn't it!). After working out all the numbers on the calculator gubbins I have put my goal calories as 2300 as I am currently breastfeeding a 12 week old (this is also my excuse for the cake and chocolate I have been scoffing for the past 3 months). So question 1 is do I just ignore the projected weight it gives you at the bottom when you finish inputting your food for the day as mine just keeps telling me how fat I'm going to get. Or is there something I have missed that will change this?

I'm also rather interested in the low sugar business some of you are doing. So *question 2*: When you say you've given up sugar is this all sugars? Do you include honey in this as I have been looking about on the internet and some diets say give up honey but some no sugar recipes use it as a replacement for processed sugars? Also what are you're thoughts on sweetners? I can't decide if using them is potentially replacing bad with bad.

Gosh, I think I will stop now as I have lost count of the questions already and will just carry on wittering away if not careful grin

knitknack Sun 17-Jun-12 21:06:52

I've given up ALL sugars and anything that is basically sugar as far as the body is concerned - so white flour etc. after reading a gazillion books and blogs I'm now eating 'paleo'.... Sort of! So no sugar or grains of any kind, nothing that spikes blood sugar.

My DH is on day 2 - this is going to be interesting!!

I've had to buy a belt this weekend!!

quirkychick Sun 17-Jun-12 21:07:43

Ceebeegeebies are you exercising? That will tone you up and help you see a difference. As Shirl says lift heavy weights!
(safely,obviously)

I haven't lost any more weight (4lbs, so far) or inches round my waist (2") but the back fat has gone. I put on an old vintage jacket I've had since my mid 20s which 3 weeks ago was straining at the buttons and is now slighly loose. Yay!

knitknack Sun 17-Jun-12 21:08:13

Roary - what's your username on MFP? And congrats on your little roar! smile

ceebeegeebies Sun 17-Jun-12 21:14:21

Quirky grin I do 4 or 5 hard cardio classes a week (combat/spinning etc) plus lift heavy weights (I often get on the machines after a man has been on there and put the weight up wink) twice a week so I don't think exercise is an issue for me wink

ceebeegeebies Sun 17-Jun-12 21:17:35

Hearmyroar congrats on your baby smile I just ignore the red writing at the bottom of MFP which tells me how much weight I am going to put on wink

HearMyRoar Sun 17-Jun-12 21:28:52

Gosh knitknack, I am terribly impressed and slightly in awe of you for going all out on the no sugar. I'll have to have a look into the paleo thing though I don't think I would manage that much at the moment. Sometimes cake is all that keeps me sane so I think I shall just be looking at where I can cut back for now. grin

Thanks ceebee, it was freaking me out a little bit so glad I can ignore it.

My username is same as on here.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 17-Jun-12 22:24:03

Hello Roar smile I am BFing, and so is TurtleDoves. If you search for breastfeeding on MFP, you can add it like you do a food. I allow 300 cals per day because although my 'baby' is 14 months and has loads at one feed, he only feeds 2-3 times in 24 hours.
I find it easier to do it that way rather than set a higher goal, because I'm only worried about my net calories, not the overall numbers. That might sound like Swahili just now, but you will get in the swing smile

ceebee you just need to be patient. And perhaps swap one more cardio for strength?

I ate loads today, loads and loads. And I really thought I would be totally beyond on MFP. But I have made myself log everything, and although I am over, I've come in under my TDEE on my net calories. Which is amazing!

Just made my first fridge porridge ready for the morning.

ceebee The ladies on the MFP forum would probably tell you to ease up on the cardio...

I had a lot of cake today too smile - I did over an hour of quite hard going cycling in the wind though, so all OK.

quirkychick Mon 18-Jun-12 07:42:08

Have you set your activity level high enough? Also, if you go on the weekly bit it shows you a graph and you can see if your calorie intake is consistent.

<waits for Shirl to explain better>

Hopefully Mon 18-Jun-12 09:08:55

Hearmyroar I am not remotely strict about no sugar (as I will ably demonstrate at a first birthday party this afternoon grin), but when I bake I tend to sub maple syrup or honey, depending on the recipe. I find honey tastes slightly sweeter to me, so I can use less, and I've read it spikes blood sugar slightly less, although not sure I buy that really.

Have been eating healthily but not logging for the past week, so am back on MFP trying to log things accurately again.

Struggling with energy levels at the moment as am insanely busy and exercising quite hard, so might up my cals to TDEE minus 10% to give me a few more to play with.

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Mon 18-Jun-12 09:27:10

Well I have just noshed 1000 kcals in one sitting by having a sainsburys meat free breakfast and a latte! Dd kept me awake all night angry and I had to dash out without breakfast, and the combo of tiredness and a rumbly tum meant I couldn't resist. However despite feeling a big sick now, I enjoyed every mouthful and will be walking the 6 mile round trip to pick dd up later (or might just leave her there, haven't decided yet)!

Btw I am a recent name changer, was on this thread before but can't say who I was due to potential outing in rl! smile

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Mon 18-Jun-12 09:29:04

Agave syrup is a good alternative to sugar, still tastes sweet but is low gi unlike honey etc. found some in tescos t'other day. smile

tumteetum Mon 18-Jun-12 09:47:49

Hi all, another lurker here. I have just joined mfp and am finding it hard to enter details as all meals are home made, but doing my best. I don't have much to lose, about 2kg, but am looking for a healthy way to eat.
My specific question relates to carbs and sugars. I eat quite a lot of fruit, though no other sugars. The goal for sugars seems so low (24g) that I have reached that by lunchtime. Does this matter? i am reluctant to miss out on the lovely fruit from my garden. I manage to be under total calories, am usually low on fat but ok for protein

TobyLerone Mon 18-Jun-12 09:52:36

Hi tum smile

Most of us are basically ignoring the sugar/carbs from fruit.

Also, the recipes function on MFP is something I use quite a lot. Once you've saved the recipe for a particular homemade meal, you can just add it that way, rather than all the individual ingredients. It's a bit time-consuming at first, but worth it IMO.

Tried the toffee MyProtein shake this morning, with a banana, flaxseed, a bit of greek yogurt and hazelnut milk. It was ok. I'm still struggling with the idea of drinking a 'milkshake', and I'm sure the flavouring tastes a bit artificial, but I drank it and it was fine. I'll try chocolate tomorrow.

ShirleyKnot Mon 18-Jun-12 10:05:20

Hello chompers, and welcome to our new members!

Answers:

do I just ignore the projected weight it gives you at the bottom when you finish inputting your food for the day as mine just keeps telling me how fat I'm going to get?

Just ignore it

Do you include honey in this?

I don't, I add honey and some syrups to my diet, but a little and not very often If you want to break your sugar addiction, then the only way to do that IMO, is to completely cut it ALL out for a while (about a month). If this is something that you're interested in trying then there are a few EMTWLers who are giving it a go.

ceebee - Yep, are you making sure you eat back to your BMR (at least) every day? How are you calculating your calorie burns?

Tumtee - I eat fruit, as Toby says, I ignore the sugar goal (and in fact I think my diary isn't set up to show me my sugar intake anyway). If you're stuffing Mars bars down your neck as opposed to some fruit then you probably need to check that behaviour grin but really, if you are eating lots of lovely homegrown fruit I really can't see an issue.

Had ANOTHER difficult weekend with lots of socialising and I was still a bit woozy from the sedative I had on Thursday so no gym for me. <sigh>

My (limited) understanding of how blood sugar spikes work is that glucose and fructose are treated quite differently by the body, with sucrose (a mixture of the two) being half and half.

Please someone with better knowledge correct this if my understanding is incorrect / add to this.
It all goes into the blood steam, but fructose is converted into glycogen by the liver. Glucose is stored in the cells all around the body, and this process happens by the release of insulin.

So, my understanding is that you don't get a sugar low (too much insulin) if you only have fructose, as the insulin does not get rid of the fructose. However, too much fructose is v v bad for your liver (children in the USA who have consumed loads of high fructose corn syrup in fizzy drinks end up with livers like the foie gras geese who have been force-fed corn mush shock).

Can confirm two fairy cakes before bed do not make it easy to get up in the morning. Yawn.

Hopefully Mon 18-Jun-12 12:49:11

SE that's really interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks! I must Google further...

knitknack Mon 18-Jun-12 13:14:36

I'd stay WELL clear of Agave syryp/nectar if I were you - everything I've read about it says that it's higher in Fructose than HFCS!!

primal view

Huffintonpost article written by doctor

giraffe17 Mon 18-Jun-12 13:46:06

I am dipping a toe in here and have a question.

I have always had sensations of blood sugar crashes maybe 2-3 hourly (shakes, nausea, starving feeling etc) - even though my dirt isnt that refined or high in sugars compared with average Joe.

But lets say for some reason my body acts like this and I am just intolerant to sugars.

So I have incresed proteins and reduced carbs - am doing quite well at that.

I am consuming at about the 15% below the whatever it is, which is approx 1850 cals (the 15% reduced figure).

I am losing approx 1lb a week which is fabulous on 1850 cals BUT BUT BUT my very good scales are recording a gradual increase in body fat % (which was already really really unhealthy).

This isnt good is it? What's going on then?

I am 5 foot 5, weigh 10st 7lb and my body fat % is 33% (yikes!!!) due to taking no exercise cardio or resistance.

Hopefully You can borrow the library copy of Master your metabolism (Jillian Michaels) if you like - plan to return it soon!

ShirleyKnot Mon 18-Jun-12 14:06:42

giraffe - That's really interesting (although I bet it feels very bloody NOT INTERESTING but frustrating for you). I think that there are a number of reasons for this anomoly...

a) Your scales are inaccurate. I think I've read that the only really accurate way to measure body fat is with those caliper thingies. or
b) Your lack of exercise means that you are not increasing muscle size - which is giving you some kink of shonky reading.

Regardless, do your clothes fit better? Are you feeling well?

Have you taken measurements? I shout about SAFTFBS because really, they can send us mad. Measurements are so much better and ultimately more important. I could be 10 stone 7lbs and still be in a size 14, or I could be 11 stone 5 and be wearing a size 12, DYKWIM?

TobyLerone Mon 18-Jun-12 14:10:30

giraffe, it was you who did the thread last week about doing no exercise and wanting to lose weight, wasn't it?

<dreadful memory>

What have you decided on that front? I think Shirley's right about the lack of exercise. YY take measurements and then take them again in a month.

Hopefully Mon 18-Jun-12 14:17:52

SE I actually have the book, is the sugar stuff in there? I devoured it do quickly I probably missed loads.

giraffe17 Mon 18-Jun-12 15:11:38

Ha! Yes was me so here i am. Xrcise i am going t try n gradually add in v small steps.
But i wld say frm this thread my lifstyle is moderate activity even without xtra xrcisr.

Cutting out carbs a lot has made me feel fuller for just a littl longer but more importantly those horrid pangs are not so severe.

Jst bit odd about the scales and body fat%. Tape measure shows no change but some clothes a shade looser on the tummy and scales say visceral fat gone down

bibbetybobbityboo Mon 18-Jun-12 15:51:50

Quick question...i'm getting into a rythm with this now and getting the calories about right and starting to get there with the fat/carb/protein ratios, but i've set mfp to show me sugar and saturated fats as well now and realised i am usually over their set sugar target. Mostly in fruit and things but for example i allowed myself a bit of chocolate cake in todays meal plan because i needed to top my calories up so thought i'd use a treat to do it today. That fits fine with my calories but is loads of sugar. Does it matter? Is it just carb/fat/protein ratios i need to worry about or should i be looking at sugar too??

CJCregg Mon 18-Jun-12 16:10:50

O wise and wonderful WOEers, please tell me about couscous. Is it very carby?

I have nothing to eat tonight so I'm really hoping for an encouraging answer here.

Two weeks off the sugar! Thanks knitknack grin. I am angry about agave nectar, though. Bloody love that stuff, and have been necking using it for years 'instead of sugar'. FFS.

ShirleyKnot Mon 18-Jun-12 16:21:19

It is carby...but if you mix it up with some protein it'll be fie I'm sure - unless you're low carbing?

quirkychick Mon 18-Jun-12 16:30:55

I know we need to saftfbs but as ours are old and of dubious accuracy can anyone recommend any good scales. For making sure bmr/tdee is accurate, obviously. I am a strictly stand on the scales once a week and not at all on a period girl wink.

CJCregg Mon 18-Jun-12 17:06:21

Wrong answer, Shirl. Not what I wanted to hear.

I'm sort of low-carbing. But mainly no-bad-carbing. I'll see how couscous affects my diary. <disappears up own arse>

knitknack Mon 18-Jun-12 17:22:26

Two weeks?! That's fantastic! Sorry 'bout the Agave - I only know because I bought some and got all excited and then looked it up and got sad and now my eight year old has it on pancakes and waves them in my face smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 18-Jun-12 18:50:29

CJ I think it depends what the alternatives are! We have couscous probably once a week, as a variation from pasta, and I definitely find that I get less of a post-carb slump from couscous.

bibbity - how does sugar affect you? It makes me feel slow, sluggish, slightly prone to depression and paranoia, so when I'm in rational mood I steer clear. <hides salted caramels>
I haven't cut it out, but I do try and be a bit more aware of how I eat it. For example chocolate cake is fine if it follows a steak, but I would hesitate to eat a big slice on its own in the middle of the afternoon now, because I know that a huge crash would follow.

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Mon 18-Jun-12 18:53:01

What about xylitol as a sweetener? Wikipedia doesn't seem to have anything bad to say about it! grin Or stevia? Are they ok? smile

MinnieBar Mon 18-Jun-12 19:12:32

Right I have a challenge for you all if anyone fancies it… who wants to recommend me some new (to me!) veg to try? I warn you, I'm a very fussy bugger. But I am trying…

Veg I like:
Peas
Sweetcorn
Carrots
Broccoli
Baked beans
Spinach
Cauliflower
Courgette only if chopped up super-small and in a sauce, for example

It's mostly a texture thing. Runner beans are too stringy and just take forever to chew. Broad beans are gritty. Peppers are too crunchy (unless chopped up really small and fried and in a sauce). Aubergines feel like pork fat to me. Leeks I like but again only in a sauce/risotto/pasta bake, I'd struggle to eat them just as a side. Ditto mushrooms.

Right, when you've all stopped rolling your eyes… anyone up for the challenge? I'm going to the supermarket tomorrow! <throws down gauntlet of veg>

MinnieBar Mon 18-Jun-12 19:13:17

Oh and all salad/rawness is out…!

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 18-Jun-12 19:24:39

Minnie, I find most veg are utterly transformed by roasting.
Yesterday we had swede cut into small cubes and very slowly roasted wirh onions and sage; this evening I've just roasted a load of onions, peppers, and courgettes (no aubergines in the shop), and added them to a tomato sauce to make ratatouile. Tomatoes halved and roasted with garlic and basil can be eaten hot or cold.

Celeriac goes well done this way, also leeks. Maybe you don't like them because you've only ever had them boiled or steamed, which is dull.
Broad beans have to be skinned, imo - tbey're lovely with pasta and ham/bacon. I don't really bother with runner beans myself tbh.

The Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall veg book has some gorgeous recipes - you could probably google and find lots of them. But you might find them too involved for this stage of experimenting with new tastes, so maybe just stick to whacking in the oven with oil and seasoning/garlic at this stage.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 18-Jun-12 19:31:40

Anything here inspire you?

MinnieBar Mon 18-Jun-12 19:32:09

Thanks Shotgun - previously when I've tried roasting veg I've just ended up with small burnt pellets (mmmm!). I've seen this broccoli recipe on Pinterest which sounds good, maybe I could try the same principle with some other veg…

Oh, I do like butternut squash. And sweet potato.

MinnieBar Mon 18-Jun-12 19:33:40

Ahem… what does celeriac actually taste like? confused

bibbetybobbityboo Mon 18-Jun-12 19:54:55

alibaba I don't think sugar affects me particularly badly. Carbs generally can affect me with shaking sweating crashes but I've stayed nice and stable with that since eating like this.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 18-Jun-12 20:08:09

Best to just do it I reckon, Minnie - what've you got to lose? smile.
can't really describe the taste of celeriac. I supose it's quite a strong taste in the way swede is strong - but doesn't taste like swede. Maybe try it mashed with potato to start with. Fennel is another good one for roasting. And beetroot.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 18-Jun-12 20:14:00

Runner beans are delicious, but you have to string them and then slice very fine.

I agree about roasting things, it is the best way. That or stir-fry.

MinnieBar Mon 18-Jun-12 20:34:52

I've tried fennel once - it tastes horribly of aniseed, yes? That'll be a no from me I'm afraid…

Might try some celeriac. What about asparagus? Too strong?

Celeriac tastes like cooked celery smells. It is divine.
I would like a veg chef. Fed up with scrubbing mud off my veg box veg and finding slugs in the veg drawer.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 18-Jun-12 21:51:09

Yes to a veg chef. I gave up on veg boxes years ago, though. Too many green potatoes hidden at the bottom.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 19-Jun-12 00:45:00

I gave up with a veg box too. Too much that didn't get eaten, too much mud - but also, yes it was organic but it wasn't British enough of the time and the food miles were a real issue for me.

Strawberry fridge porridge done ready for the morning, today's raspberry was yummy!

Minnie- Kale? It's so good for you and if you like spinach you'll probably like it.

And when it's in season samphire is gorgeous. I think that has lots of minerals too.

I'm just having a smoothie, I put a banana it as I thought the peanut butter and cacao powder would disguise it- unfortunately not, so what fruit would go with peanut butter and cacao? I'm thinking strawbs or cherry?

SuddenlyMadameGlamour Tue 19-Jun-12 09:00:57

I know what you mean about the veg boxes. My dp works for a well-known organic food co and can get discount on the boxes, but we don't get them for the reasons mentioned! My excuse is that my dad has an allotment so we often get free veg from him, though recently it has been less productive due to pests and the weather, and I am ashamed to say I've been slightly relieved at not having to deal with all the mud and slugs!blush Think my mum is too! grin

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 09:47:54

Could you put a peeled chopped apple in your smoothie, and maybe leave out the cocoa, spicy?

I had the chocolate protein powder this morning. I'm still not completely sold on it, tbh, and I'm not sure it's making enough of a difference to my protein %age to make it worth it. But I have one more sample to go, so I'll finish that anyway.

tumteetum Tue 19-Jun-12 09:48:14

ok, so I can ignore the sugars since most of mine comes from fruit, and I'm not giving that up, but I'm still tending to be very low on proteins.Even my egg breakfast this morning (can only manage 1 egg) doesn't seem to give me much. Any tips?

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 09:52:39

I eat the small packs of wafer thin ham/chicken as a snack. They're 2 for £1 in Sainsbury's. Apparently cottage cheese is high in protein but I can't bring myself to eat it! Tinned tuna/sardines/pilchards. Nuts.
Could you manage some greek yogurt with fruit after your egg?

Mind you, I eat all this stuff and my protein %age is still very low.

Notanexcitingname Tue 19-Jun-12 10:01:30

Hi All. I'd like to say a thank you to ShirleyKnot for what looks like a life transformation. I fell off the WW wagon about 4 years ago and although my BMI has crept up to 32 I couldn't face going back to being starving and having my sole aim in life being avoiding food.

I've been doing this WOE for just under a week and am slightly alarmed at having lost about 2.5 lbs. Can I ignore this, or should I eat more? I'm coming in at about 150 under my cals nearly every day, and not being hungry, I've not been eating them. I did do a big sports event at the weekend, and burned 1000 cals (according to MFP, must buy a heart rate monitor), and really struggled to eat back to BMR; ended up having a glass of wine to help wink.

Feeling fab, though, hoping this is the eating breakthrough for me smile. I am coming in too low for protein most days, but I didn't do this week's shop with this WOE in mind.

tumteetum Tue 19-Jun-12 10:04:52

I do snack on nuts and sometimes have tinned mackerel for lunch, often homemade yogurt with fruit for puddings, and still I seem to struggle. Don't do cottage cheese either..

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 10:18:06

I think that Shirley advises that weight loss on the scales could well be water loss for the first few weeks. I'm sure she'll be along shortly to correct me if I'm wrong, though grin
So in that case, your 2.5lbs might not be accurate as fat loss, per se, but more important is the fact that you're feeling great! And tbh, even if the loss of weight is water, it gives you a boost anyway. Just don't panic if some of it seems to have gone back on next week.

You only need to eat back your calories if your net is under your BMR. I think.

Maryz Tue 19-Jun-12 10:29:36

I find that if any bread I eat is seeded wholegrain it helps my protein/fat intake.

I'm finding the biggest difference with this way of eating is my energy level.

tumteetum Tue 19-Jun-12 10:36:11

Now my bread is usually seeded wholegrain, perhaps I am not putting it in correctly. We make our own bread, and recipes are different each time and very imprecise so is just guesswork entering on mfp. Finding this for lots of foods. perhaps I am underestimating protein

Maryz Tue 19-Jun-12 10:37:20

You probably are - the difference adding handfuls of seeds to bread/cereal/smoothies is massive as regards the protein levels.

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 10:37:37

Try not to worry too much, tum. I would imagine that the protein you may be underestimating will be negligible.

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 10:38:34

Perhaps the protein level of a whole loaf would be improved by adding some seeds, but per slice it won't make a lot of difference.

ShirleyKnot Tue 19-Jun-12 10:41:04

spicy - my boys have become OBSESSED with smoothies. I usually use bananas (cut into chunks and frozen) but this moring I had run out so I made 1 mango smoothie and 1 blueberry smoothie.

3 x chunks of ice
handful of blueberries/half a pack precut mango (shock)
Couple of dessert spoons greek yoghurt
250ish ml milk
spoldge of syrup/honey/maple syrup.

Blend.

You can use any soft fruit you like and the greek yoghurt acts as your banana thickener, IYKWIM?

notanexcitingname - grin Tobes is right, this loss is most likely to be water, especially if you did a big old burn at the weekend. I'm so glad to hear you're feeling positive, motivated and WELL. Also, please try and eat ALL of your calories - a small handful of nuts (ARF!) can get you there (HAHA!) without being too filling.

<waves to everyone else>

Maryz Tue 19-Jun-12 10:41:52

It does though Toby, if you are eating, say, three slices of bread a day. If you look at the protein levels of two types of bread; the seeded ones and the wholemeal ones, the fat/protein levels of the seeded ones are a lot higher, and so the carb percentage is lower.

I'll have a hunt for some labels later and check exact amounts. dd and I spent half an hour in the bread aisle in Tesco yesterday, looking at this smile

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 10:46:53

But because the pie chart shows percentages, if you're eating 3 slices of bread a day, your overall carb percentage will be high, thereby pushing your overall protein percentage down.

quirkychick Tue 19-Jun-12 11:02:33

Seeded bread is so much better for you too.

Notanexcitingname Tue 19-Jun-12 11:23:40

Thanks all smile OK, I mistakenly thought I wouldn't get the water loss-and I promise not to be alarmed if it goes back on next week. Promise to try harder with the calories, though I've not gone below BMR. Getting sick of nuts, will try some more variety.

HearMyRoar Tue 19-Jun-12 12:32:15

Hello everyone!

I too am struggling with the protein. i went on a mission yesterday to eat lots and managed to get to around 30 under but that was going all out eating tuna and cottage cheese for lunch and then gammon and eggs for dinner. I think i might try getting some soya beans and tofu and make some kind of pate thing for snacking on.

I am also finding imputting tricky because i cook lots from scratch and tend to cook by feel rather then weighing things so am having to get into the habit of recording how much of each ingredient i use and then using the recipe bit.

I have put my scales next to the cooker, at least until I can estimate better by eye. I often put the package on the scales, zero them, and then enter the - amout that shows, if that makes sense. Much easier than trying to weigh everything out, and means I can cook as normal. I so this with my oats in the morning too - just put the bowl on the scale so I can keep track of how much oats / seeds / milk I have.

I love cottage cheese! Just had a pot for lunch - 156 calories, 26 g of protein, less than one of fat. I have the Lidl 0.4% fat stuff. And Maryz I was really impressed with the increased amount of protein in wholemeal bread.

quirkychick Tue 19-Jun-12 13:37:13

I love cottage cheese! Yy to yoghurt in smoothies I don't do bananas (except occasionally and not mushed up). Yoghurt, mango, milk and vanilla is particularly popular in this house. Without the milk for a healthy yoghurt dessert.

I'm waiting for my protein shakes to arrive and hoping if I have been particularly active it will up my calories and my protein macros.

I am currently eating an ice lolly made from frozen galia melon- yum, yum.

HearMyRoar Tue 19-Jun-12 13:51:09

Just went to have my lunch and realised that rather then buying cottage cheese i had accidently picked up something with the rather sci fi name of quark. In all my cheese eating years i have never heard of this stuff but have eaten it anyway. It was actually alright, kinda like runny soft cheese, and it turns out it has the same protein levels as cottage cheese but less calories.

So where's the catch?

ShirleyKnot Tue 19-Jun-12 14:00:37

Nothing HearMyRoar! Quark is amazing stuff - you can make lower calories puddings, use it to make cheese sauces (I used it to make a lower calorie lasagne once) and LOADS of things. I love quark.

HearMyRoar Tue 19-Jun-12 14:02:19

Gosh! Thanks Shirley. What a fortuitious accident grin

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 15:11:13

Plus, I understand quarks come in 6 different flavours.

Hullygully Tue 19-Jun-12 15:21:15

It's all too complicated and there are too many threads.

What about liposuction?

Two slices of Hovis Wholemeal Granary is 9g of protein according to MFP.

After losing those 7lbs, I've put some back on, and I don't care! Clothes still feel loose, and I can probably bounce coins off my thighs at the momment!grin

I've been having a lot of fun experimenting with healthier baking, so thanks for all the suggestions. Spelt cookies were a big hit. DD wasn't keen on the no butter/sugar flatjacks, more for me. The wholemeal and banana muffins were a bit meh though, so I will carry on trying to make them healthy and tasty.

I would like to start doing some more weights at home, ideally something I can do of an evening in front of the TV. Does anyone have any reccommendations? I'm also thinking of getting a heart rate monitor. Again, reccommendations needed please.

Cross posted with a few there. Quark is a soft cheese?? Star trek fan here, THIS is Quark!

I don't think I could bring myself to eat it. Although I would love to see DH's face when I tell him he's eating Quark sauce! grin

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 15:28:43

Isn't a no sugar/ no butter flapjack just a bowl of oats?? grin

I've been gradually easing down the sugar in my standard flapjack recipe, but have been upping the butter a little to give them a bit of extra sticking-together power to make up for loss of sugar.

<Throws Quark at Hully>

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 15:29:21

<boak> at Quark sauce grin

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 15:30:22

Hully -- just chop a leg off. Quicker and cheaper.

Umami, I used mashed bananas, ground almonds and blueberries instead of butter, sugar and syrup. Still sugar in them, but I didn't add it! grin

Maryz Tue 19-Jun-12 15:39:40

Toby, I'm considering cutting off my boobs (apologies for black humour to anyone out there who has to for medical reasons); I have estimated that they must be about 5 kilos each.

So I could lose a stone (and save on bra costs).

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 15:41:34

Ha! My boobs are giant, too. If I lopped them off, and some of the backfat, job's a good'un grin

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 15:42:07

Mashed bananas eh? I always have an excess of over-ripe bananas, so I may give this a go. Thanks Mango!

HearMyRoar Tue 19-Jun-12 15:55:33

I think dd might be a bit upset if i chopped off my boobs grin

I just bought some almond butter to replace normal butter in my nut/seed bars but mashed bannana is a genius idea. must try that.

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 15:58:57

Stewed apple/apple sauce is used a lot in vegan baking to replace fat.

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 16:07:07

Thinking about it, my favourite granola bar recipe has no added fat or sugar, actually just a whole tin of condensed milk grin

How bad are they Umami? I have a tin of condensed milk in the cupboard that glares at me whenever I open the door!

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 17:58:04

I think they're not too bad actually. They're just oats, seeds, nuts and dried fruit, with the warmed condensed milk stirred in, then into a tin and baked. They're practically a health food, though not if you're low sugar-ing. You could up the seeds and nuts for protein. The contents are pretty jigglable.

The finished bars seem to have a shelf-life of forever, though I would easily much through them all on my own within a week.

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 17:59:02

DISCLAIMER

I think of anything with oats in as 'practically a health food' grin

Trills Tue 19-Jun-12 19:57:10

grin at Quark sauce!

ceebeegeebies Tue 19-Jun-12 20:12:44

Help, I have 600 calories that I need to eat today to get to my net BMR and have no idea what to eat. Don't have much in the house - am thinking a big bowl of vanilla ice-cream with chocolate sauce and crushed nuts on top (at least the nuts are healthy wink) but not sure that is in keeping with this WOE hmm

Please share on any ideas you have got about how to eat 600 calories with limited stocks.

Maryz Tue 19-Jun-12 20:23:04

I have a similar problem today.

I've used up all my carbs, and have 600 left.

I am going to ignore the carbs, open a bottle of wine and scoff a packet of almonds I have just come across grin.

Maryz Tue 19-Jun-12 20:28:30

And I'm struggling to find how many carbs there are in half a bottle of Chardonnay, which is what I intend drinking hmm

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 21:04:35

OMG, I have actually done my goals today! 31% protein 31% fat 37% carbs. Quite why it only adds up to 99% is anyone's guess grin

Maryz Tue 19-Jun-12 21:06:11

I can't manage my fecking protein.

Today I have still only eaten half the protein I should hmm. It's driving me crazy.

I'm going to have to look at protein shakes, I think.

<wanders off to prepare fridge porridge for tomorrow>

HearMyRoar Tue 19-Jun-12 21:07:16

Whoop! Go Toby grin

Umami Tue 19-Jun-12 21:09:15

Inspired by earlier talk of cauliflower, I made this spicy cauliflower with sesame for dinner and it was delicious. Plus muttar paneer, and an approximation of HFW's aubergine and green bean curry. Both also delicious (though I confess I did not make the curry paste, but used a thai penang curry paste I'd got in the fridge). Even DH was happy with it all, though I did cook him a chicken breast too, lest he baulk at the thought of an entirely vegetarian meal grin

TobyLerone Tue 19-Jun-12 21:19:37

I haven't really done anything different. I did have a protein shake this morning but I also had one yesterday and only did 16% protein confused

That cauliflower thing looks yummy. I made lentil curry this evening, delicious and healthy. Scoffed too many nuts in a training session this morning though - was sooo desperate for lunch!

Just had a look at my reports for protein consumption - Seems the least I have had in a day is 66g (and I incidentally went over my target calories); the most 129g (helped by a big plate of chicken curry).

quirkychick Tue 19-Jun-12 21:53:30

Whoever recommended cashew butter - thank you, yum, yum, yum! Absolutely delicious.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Tue 19-Jun-12 22:32:29

All those curry things sound lovely. I noticed in my ancient Indian cookbook the other day, a recipe for making your own paneer, which looked quite simple as long as you plan ahead. I suppose it must be easy enough to get hold of now, though - never looked tbh.
My macros are still all over the place. And I've forgotten what the goal are meant to be - was it 40/30/30 protein/carbs/fat? I'm sure that's what I put in. Might explain why I never reach my protein goal in spite of consuming what seems like vast quantities smile.

wherearemysocks Wed 20-Jun-12 01:11:10

Wow Shirley, I think I may have just had my light bulb moment. Thank you for explaining net calories (way back - I have only just started reading the first thread and have jumped ahead to say this). I have been using mfp on and off for a while with various ups and downs, but I never knew what net calories meant so basically ignored it.

Today I ate 2000 calories but my net calories were 800. (2 school runs, 2 brownie runs, 1 kettle bell workout).

Maybe a protein shake would be a good way to up my cals on a day where I have lots of activity? Where do you buy them please, and can you recommend any particular brand?

HearMyRoar Wed 20-Jun-12 08:28:53

Just sent dh to work with my first ever fridge porridge experiment. Think i might have got a bit carried away with the oats as it's rather huge and heavy. Still, he could probably use it to fight of bears on the way to work if need be blush

addictediam Wed 20-Jun-12 09:20:04

for the people who have protein shakes, what are the nicest flavours? I tried a toffee one the other day, it wasnt too bad but very sickly sweet, i couldnt finish it. then this morning a tried a strawbery and cream one, it was actually really gross.
do you mix with water or milk?

socks That doesn't look like 1200 calories of exercise, unless a) it's a really long way b) you are very heavy c) the kettlebell class is lots of cardio. Are you calculating with a heartrate monitor?

Re protein shakes, I rate the chocolate GNC own brand one. If you buy a gold card it's half price. I mix with half milk half water.

grin at fighting off bears with fridge porridge.

shotgun Sag paneer is my favourite Indian dish. You can buy paneer in the supermarket quite cheaply, don't think it's economical to make unless you want organic or something.

TobyLerone Wed 20-Jun-12 09:33:52

I tried the chocolate protein shake yesterday and the vanilla today. I wasn't keen on the toffee either. I'm still not sure about them, tbh. It feels like I can taste the artificial flavouring in them, and they taste a tiny bit bitter to me.

Chocolate and vanilla were definitely better than toffee, though. I mix mine with hazelnut milk, a banana, some flaxseed and a big spoonful of greek yogurt.

ShirleyKnot Wed 20-Jun-12 09:42:02

socks - What did you set your activity level at? If you set it to "moderate" then you shouldn't be eating back your calories for exercise UNLESS you end up being under your BMR. The calorie burn is already built into your TDEE less cut.

Protein shakes - I think my next order is going to be the vanilla one or possibly the unflavoured. I agree that some of them are VERY sweet. The latte one was nice - and I have read that you can make up the shake with milk and add a cold cup of coffee to make an iced latte type affair.

I've got a bit of a strange tummy today. I ate a couple of oreos last night - and I'll tell you exactly why that happened - LACK OF PLANNING. I haven't sorted out my meal plans for this week yet or been shopping so I've been scrabbling bits and bobs together all week. This always equals disasterous choices for me! What were the fucking oreo's doing in the house anyway? <curses back of cupboard> grin. I was still ok calorie wise but I'm wondering if my stomach is reacting to the stupid delicious biscuits.

Oh I love the toffee one! Mind you, I have a very sweet tooth. I usually have them in banana smoothies rather than just by itself, just as Toby suggests. I didn't much like the strawberry one either.

The unflavoured one is good for putting into things, so I have some of that for apple and cinnamon smoothies. I'm going to try some baking with it next week. I'm hoping I don't end up with cakes I can bounce off walls. grin

TobyLerone Wed 20-Jun-12 09:52:22

I set my activity level to 'moderate' and never put in things like school runs etc. I only include activity over and above a normal day. I've been putting in a lot of cleaning and moving boxes lately because it's definitely more than is included in a normal day -- DP is moving in with me and there's a lot of clearing out to do, and a lot of shifting his crap things into my house.

Maryz Wed 20-Jun-12 09:54:02

You have Oreos in the back of your cupboard shock.

The one good thing about having hoards of teenagers around is that there is nothing remotely edible lurking in the back of my cupboards.

I could wade back through the thread, but could someone pretty please suggest a couple of palatable brands of protein shakes - I can't afford postage from UK so it has to be something off the shelf in health food shops or sports shops.

Thanks.

Hullygully Wed 20-Jun-12 09:58:42

Sugar is the devil

Don't forget that

CJCregg Wed 20-Jun-12 10:04:45

Hi all, just checking in.

I have been very good and am feeling the benefits grin. Made a Jamie Oliver Thai Prawn Curry last night - God, it was fantastic - and had it with cauliflower rice. I am eating a few too many oatcakes but everything is generally going in the right direction.

I just CBA to fill in my diary every day, though blush. I think it's a throwback to WW - I have built up a resistance to tracking my food because it's so fucking tedious.

maryz Do you have GNC in Ireland? I rate the chocolate own brand one.

wherearemysocks Wed 20-Jun-12 10:13:58

Shirley, it's over a mile each way for school, plus i run a pub so im on my feet at work as well. I've got a fitbit (pedometer thingy) which links up with mfp so it should be quite accurate for calories used. I'll double check all the settings though just to make sure.

Where do you buy the protein shakes from?

TobyLerone Wed 20-Jun-12 10:19:21

But if you're counting all your calories used, surely your activity level should be set at 'none' (or whatever it says), so that you don't count it twice. Otherwise, lots of your daily activity is already included in your 'moderate' setting, then you're counting it again on MFP.

ShirleyKnot Wed 20-Jun-12 10:26:02

socks - if that's in your normal, everyday routine then you shouldn't be counting it! If you have correctly assesed your TDEE then the only part of your exercise you should be eating back would be your kettleball workout - and only then if it takes your net calories back to under your BMR.

BUT! I'm wondering actually if you're doing your BMR and TDEE or whether you've just had a lightbulb moment about eating ENOUGH! This in itself is grand but I am worried that you might be miscalculating.

addictediam Wed 20-Jun-12 10:57:35

how do i stop stress eating? i'm stressed because of this over here and i have 2 yong girls and trying to sell a house. my body thinks i'm hungry. i really dont think i am, i think i'm just stressed. how to i solve the problem?

TobyLerone Wed 20-Jun-12 11:03:19

Oh, you poor love. Stress eating (and trying to stop it) is the last thing you ought to be worrying about just now!

Can you bung the girls in the pushchair and go for a walk?

addictediam Wed 20-Jun-12 11:15:56

I can't sad I live in the middle of nowhere and can't do much during the day as I need my energy to look after them. (I have cfs)
The evening is when I go running or do zumba as they are asleep and I can go stright to bed to recover.

addictediam Wed 20-Jun-12 11:17:56

I'm also not allowed to drive because of the seizure, and I think being trapped in the house and getting bored is part of the problem.

Addicted, the adrenalin you have is probably causing the hunger. I think with such a lot going on, you need to be kind to yourself - get some healthy food in, and feed the hunger with good stuff. I find things like running on the spot / jumping can disperse unwanted adrenalin (If you see me dancing like a loon to loud house music, I may have just coped with a stressful phone call grin).

ShirleyKnot Wed 20-Jun-12 11:26:37

For goodness sake addicted, be kind to yourself. DOn't worry about what you're eating!

Get today out of the way in whichever way is most comfortable, if that means drinking sugary tea and eating cake then so be it.

Have you tried some deep breathing exercises to calm you down a little bit?

wherearemysocks Wed 20-Jun-12 12:27:05

Thanks Shirly, I'm busy at work now but I will sit down and re-calculate it all properly later when I have more time.

MinnieBar Wed 20-Jun-12 12:58:13

Well today I tried something almost new! I had sardines for lunch. I have had them in the dim and distant past, but probably over thirty years ago [old gimmer]. I know it's not exactly pushing the boat out, but it feels like quite a big step for me. I really don't try new foods very often at all.

To paraphrase Obi Wan, I have taken my first step into a larger world... grin

ShirleyKnot Wed 20-Jun-12 13:05:02

And what did you think minnie? Did you like them?

MinnieBar Wed 20-Jun-12 13:17:09

I did! Not surprising really, since they taste not terribly different to tinned tuna.

I just had them on a slice of toast (wholemeal, seeded, natch). Not very exciting...!

quirkychick Wed 20-Jun-12 14:17:16

Good luck, addicted. As Shirl and others say don't stress about what you eat today. Just be kind to yourself.

My protein shakes have come today. I have tried the toffee but agree with others that it's a bit sweet and artificial-tasting. It has whacked up my protein levels after doing weights.

MinnieBar Wed 20-Jun-12 14:59:21

I like the toffee and chocolate ones! Although I do have a very sweet tooth, so I tend to have them mid-afternoon to stop me wolfing down chocolate and/or biscuits.

I'm often tempted to have another around 9pm for the same reason, but I'm guessing two a day might not have a good effect on me.

I'm also debating mixing up the flavours <rebel>

Just had my mid afternoon smoothie, half a banana (because DD pinched the other half while I was cutting it up!) some oats, flax, hazelnut milk, peanut butter and toffee powder. Delicious!

Minnie, I'm also sticking to one a day for now. I had two in a day a week or so ago. Last one was shortly before bed. I really regretted it the next day. blush

TobyLerone Wed 20-Jun-12 15:23:13

Could you split them and have half in a smoothie in the afternoon and half in the evening?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 20-Jun-12 17:20:35

I haven't braved the shakes yet, the packets are sitting in the cupboard.

Loving fridge porridge though, and finding it massively filling. I couldn't finish my pot this morning, which was disappointing because it was lovely (strawberries, strawberry jam and chopped brazil nuts).

I have had a debacle with some oaty/cookie bite things that I bought in sainsbury's. Shall not be getting those again unless there is someone else here to help me eat them!

grin at debacle. My greatest achievement today has been buying an ice cream for DS without getting one for me too.

Umami Wed 20-Jun-12 17:52:03

For the first time since I started this, I've just given into the mental voice that says 'just eat some buttery toast for fuck's sake' grin

But but but, even though it's pushed me well over today's cals due to butter and jam, I see looking back on MFP that this is only the second time I've had any bread in over a week shock This is madness! Usually bread would be daily, if not thrice twice daily thing. Bread machine is looking positively forlorn.

Hullygully Wed 20-Jun-12 18:18:38

fredge porrige?

Hullygully Wed 20-Jun-12 18:18:54

I just had buttery toast. IS THAT SO WRONG?

Umami Wed 20-Jun-12 18:28:12

I think it's only wrong when you have 3 rounds of it while you decide what to actually have for dinner.

<Butters Hully and dips her in sugar>

wherearemysocks Wed 20-Jun-12 19:05:43

Shirley, this is the lightbulb moment I was talking about - this is from the very beginning of the first thread, I'm not very far into it yet.

Now, the next thing you need to find out is what your Base Metabolic Rate (BMR) This is the number of calories your body burns just BEING in existence.

Mine is at around the 1,500 mark. I make sure that I always NET 1,500 calories everyday. I'll explain a bit more about net calories in a bit...

Monday - Eat 2,000 calories. Gym - burned 500 calories. Net calories = 1,500
Tuesday - Eat 2,000 calories. Rest day
Wednesday - Eat 2,000 calories. Gym - burned 700 calories. Net calories = 1,300 calories. Eat 200 additional to bring net to 1,500...

So my BMR is also around 1500. Its difficult for me to work out an accurate TDEE as my days vary so much from day to day, and even from week to week so I cant even really work out an average. So I have a fitbit, which is a high tec pedometer, it knows my hight and weight and so can work out exactly how many calories I burn each day. It links up to MFP too so I don't even have to calculate anything myself.

So for example today. On MFP I have my goal set at 1200 calories, on my fitbit so far today I have used 2900 calories so it links to MFP and allows an 1290 calories for exercise, so
Goal 1200 + food 2091 - exercise 1294 = Net 797.

So obviously that is quite a lot under my BMR. Now I have already had my dinner with the kids, so I'm wandering do I really need to eat another 800 cals today? And if so what would you recommend as the best way to do it?

wherearemysocks Wed 20-Jun-12 19:10:12

Actually realised that's wrong anyway, it wouldnt be another 800 would it. It would be another 400 to get up to my goal of 1200 cals a day.

I think my brain is frazzled now.

If your BMR is 1500, then you wouldn't be doing your body any favours by eating the MFP goal of 1200.
That is a seriously active day to use 2900 calories!!
If the fitbit is correct, that implies that your TDEE is BMR + activity, or 1500+2900 = 4400 calories. So TDEE-15% cut, which is what many of us are following, would suggest you eat 3740 calories on a day like today.

Do you think that possibly the fitbit includes your BMR calories? If this is the case it would be suggesting you eat 2240 calories on a day like today, which seems much more sensible.

wherearemysocks Wed 20-Jun-12 20:46:29

Thanks for that. Yes it is an active day today, school run x2 is just over a mile each way, I did a 5 mile run and I work on my feet, and also flat (above work) is 4 flights up which I do a lot. I've walked/ran 13.4 miles today and done 53 flights of stairs.

Goodness when I write it all down it does sound crazy to put my MFP goal at 1200.

I was thinking maybe nuts would be a good high cal snack on active days, but are they too high in fat, or should I not worry too much about fat.

I think the reason I've put on weight is that too many of my calories would normally come from alcohol so ive put a bit of a ban on it for now until I get a bit closer to my goal.

quirkychick Wed 20-Jun-12 21:38:08

I have been eating somewhere between my bmr=1400 and my tdee-15%=1900. I have been putting exercise in as my walking dds to school/pre-school/activities is my gym/cardio. I do weights or pilates/yoga dvds at home.

For instance, on a Monday I do 45mins fast walking home>school>pre-school>school (I help out) before 9:30. I have been logging fast walking as I do loads and thought it was over and above moderate activity. Is this right?

TobyLerone Thu 21-Jun-12 09:19:05

I don't think I'd add any of that except the weights/dvds, quirky, but whatever works for you!

Maryz Thu 21-Jun-12 09:23:30

<whispers: is there anyone on here who is as lazy as sin but trying to just eat healthily?>

Everyone seems to be doing multiple classes/walking for miles/lifting weights.

I'm doing housework, gardening and walking fast around supermarkets blush. With the occasional bit of strength training and pilates for my back. So I'm sticking to my calories, watching my carbs and not doing much else.

I do feel much better though.

Like Toby says, if it works for you, then do it. I rarely enter exercise as I don't think I ever burn more calories than (TDEE-15%) - BMR in one day. But if I have an exercise day, I am less bothered about eating slightly more than TDEE.

xpost Maryz I do similar to you - I ride my bike every day, but it's not exercise, I just don't have a car!

TobyLerone Thu 21-Jun-12 09:49:53

Maryz -- you're exercising without realising it. I burn more calories doing gardening/housework per hour than I do at the gym.

Maryz Thu 21-Jun-12 09:54:41

I keep telling myself that Toby grin.

I'm going to get myself one of those extra-big gymballs to sit on at the computer - they are great for core strength and help my lower back a lot. And I can pretend I'm exercising while mumsnetting.

ShirleyKnot Thu 21-Jun-12 10:05:14

Ahashahah! O I LOVE that idea Mary. grin

HearMyRoar Thu 21-Jun-12 10:34:00

Maryz I don't do structured exercise either. I did try the gym and classes for a while a couple of years ago but after a few months i decided that i hated it with a passion usually reserved for brussel sprouts and people who use mobile phones in quiet carriages so i stopped. I did go to pilates classes for a time before i got pregnant and loved them but they are so expensive i can't afford it at the moment.

I am trying to get in at least one good walk everyday but apart from that it is just lots of baby joggling, which is basically heavey wieghts...right...

Maryz Thu 21-Jun-12 10:38:42

I find that in the days I went to classes/the gym I used to always have a coffee and a high-calorie snack afterwards, which defeated the purpose.

ds has weights in the garage and I'm tentatively investigating those atm. Which involves looking at youtube clips of training sessions for old gimmers and doing a bit of reading.

I'm not going to let the kids catch me actually training - they would take the piss unmercifully. And while the weather is (relatively) ok I get outside. The weights can wait until September.

quirkychick Thu 21-Jun-12 10:39:35

Sometimes I burn more than the tdee (-15%) -bmr, which is 500cals. I think I won't put in small walking etc. but when I have been very active. Rarely eat back all the cals anyway. My activity levels can vary massively too.

I like the exercise ball idea. Think a small person might be kamikaze on an exercise ball, though! Gardening and housework is most definitely exercise. I only do loads of walking as I don't have a car and dd1's school is 20mins fast walking away when we are running late and dd2's pre-school is 20mins in another direction so loads of fast paced drop offs and pick ups. Much less at weekends and holidays.

I tried the latte protein shake today with milk. Much nicer, although quite sweet. Perhaps the trick is to mix it with something else.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 21-Jun-12 10:49:23

Maryz - I do like you. Some strength exercises, a bit of pilates, and then just normal things like the preschool run, housework, running round after 2 under 4.
I have got a twisty board thing which I use as well which is to exercise waist, hips, obliques etc - and it seems to be working. I do about 5-10 minutes a day, and I am now almost officially hourglass rather than apple.

Yesterday ended up being a bit disastrous. After the biscuit debacle, I wasn't hungry for my dinner so didn't bother. Tiredness and hunger hit at 10pm, and I ended up sending DH out to get me a quarter pounder with cheese and fries. Oh it was so nice - and when I filled in MFP, I had still only eaten my TDEE, although my carbs were waaaaaay over and I had eaten very little protein.

Maryz Thu 21-Jun-12 10:58:07

dd was at McDonalds yesterday, and decided to get the smallest thing on the menu, which was a but of twisty fries.

Do you realise there are 480 calories in a small tub of twisty fries - she could have had 12 chicken nuggets and got more protein and less carbohydrate.

It has been a wake-up call for her to use mfp. I don't want her dieting as such, but being aware of how much you can eat in 1 minute in a fast food joint is a good idea for all teenagers, I would have thought.

TobyLerone Thu 21-Jun-12 11:22:40

YY Maryz. That's why DD uses it.

I am having fish and chips tonight because my evening looks like this:
4pm leave work, go shopping for delicious picnic items for dirty weekend away
5pm go to gym
6.30pm pick up DC from cockface XH's
6.45pm pick up DP from station
7pm go to my sister's to see my delicious baby nephew and eat his face a bit (no calories in that, right?)
8pm get home, pack for dirty weekend away.

So I put fish and chips into MFP to see what else I had to play with. 900 fucking calories in regular fish and chips shock

It's lucky I'm going to the gym!

BTW, just as I'm typing this, 6Music are playing "You're the one for me, fatty". blush

Maryz Thu 21-Jun-12 11:26:55

Yes, dd has discovered that chipper chips, especially a shared portion, aren't too bad.

But chipper fish, or hot dogs, or batterburgers shock are frighteningly high cal.

6 chicken nuggets in mcdonalds would be fine - 280 calories, 13 g protein and 18 g carbs, nice for a treat, and more filling (and cheaper) than the chips. She doesn't have to stop eating with her friends, just think a bit more.

We are going to Ikea today - I suspect that should be considered a looooong walk.

TobyLerone Thu 21-Jun-12 11:29:33

I would definitely put walking around IKEA down as slow walking blush

Notanexcitingname Thu 21-Jun-12 13:41:24

Back to the exercise thing, I put my activity level as moderate, thinking my 3 30 mins runs a week, plus a swim, plus 10x school runs would equate to 5hours of activity, but now I'm thinking I should maybe eat back my run calories. Um, and now I think about it I usually do two 10 mile bike rides with 3 year old DS, too.

I'm starting to be hungry on my TDEE-15% cut, from having not been (ran last night), and I wonder if that's the difference?

TobyLerone Thu 21-Jun-12 13:53:18

Here's how I do it:

I put my activity level as moderate. And it is, especially when I finish work and the real work begins (running up and down the stairs with piles of laundry, cleaning the bathroom/kitchen, cooking dinner, sweeping floors etc). I know this because my Nike Fuelband tracks the calories I burn and the steps I take in a day. I am always over what they class as an 'active' day, even if I haven't been to the gym and it's just been a 'normal' day for me. And I can see it from the graphs they give me online -- it shows my activity and my active times.

Anything I do over and above what I would do in a normal day, whether it's going to the gym, mowing the lawn, walking for miles, playing frisbee with the DC for a prolonged period of time, hardcore cleaning or moving boxes from one house to another, goes down as exercise in MFP.

I then ensure I eat to at least my BMR, and up to my TDEE-15%, every day.

ShirleyKnot Thu 21-Jun-12 14:03:38

<nods> you got it Tobes.

TobyLerone Thu 21-Jun-12 14:05:53

Yay! grin

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Thu 21-Jun-12 15:09:17

Not much exercise here Mary, although I'm gradually trying to build up strength and fitness and, would you believe, the exercises on Scooby's workout site are pretty good. I have actually completed 10 mins of really slow like an old lady burpees and 5 mins of half press-ups!

Also started the C25K with DD yesterday. She scoffed at the idea of only running for 1-minute intervals, but she was a knackered as me by the end.
I feel like I have to do the exercise bit of the programme, really - I haven't got much to lose supposedly so just doing the food would take forever.

And 'cos of my scoliosis, I can't really do anything hardcore so it needs to be steady and gentle. Plus my days aren't really active.

Notanexcitingname Thu 21-Jun-12 16:00:54

So do you think I should add extra exercise in? I'm pretty lazy with the housework-I def don't run up and down stairs with laundry, the laundry can walk wink.

I think I'll count runs,swims and cycles, but not school runs. I'll try to shift my arse up and down stairs more quickly, too!

Have been hungry all day, despit eating 1200 calories thus far. Was keeping 700 for tonight (eating out), but will eat to hunger, and try not to overeat when out.

Notanexcitingname Thu 21-Jun-12 16:01:59

shotgun, its suprising how knackering running for a minute is when you start

TobyLerone Thu 21-Jun-12 16:03:25

YY, count anything you do over and above your normal day, Not. Not school runs, but runs/swims etc definitely.

MinnieBar Thu 21-Jun-12 16:05:09

I did some exercise today for the first time in about 10 days - am exhausted!

And today I bought some mackerel in - get this - teryaki sauce. <pushes boat out>

Notanexcitingname Thu 21-Jun-12 16:46:59

Cheers TobyLerone. I think I got a bit fazed by ShirleyKnot's very energetic gym sessions, and thought less than that was just normal.

am currently eyeing up the lentil casserole that I know my kids will turn their noses up at!

ShirleyKnot Thu 21-Jun-12 16:47:39

<energetic>

<slumps>

ceebeegeebies Thu 21-Jun-12 17:09:00

Reading this, have I been doing it all wrong in terms of exercise etc?

I picked 'moderate' activity level (i.e. 3-5 hours of exercise a week) as I go to the gym 4 or 5 times a week - however, on those days when I have been to the gym, I input the exercise into MFP and often have to eat an extra 200-300 calories on those days to get back to my BMR rate of 1600 calories - should I be doing this as it would appear I am eating my exercise calories twice confused?

Apart from going to the gym, my activity level is fairly low as I work in an office 4 days a week and only do the occasional school run on foot as usually dropping off/picking up on my way to work.

So, should I drop my activity level on Scooby calculator and then input my exercise on MFP and eat back the necessary calories to get to my BMR or stick with my 'moderate' activity level but not input any exercise into MFP and just have a standard 2100 calories a day?

ShirleyKnot Thu 21-Jun-12 17:27:57

No ceebee. You're fine. The only time you need to eat back your exercise calories is if your net calories drop below your BMR.

ceebeegeebies Thu 21-Jun-12 17:32:01

Shirley I get that but if I have counted my gym sessions as part of my activity level on Scooby, should I then be also inputting them into MFP as exercise or is this doing it twice??

ShirleyKnot Thu 21-Jun-12 17:40:33

Uh. It doesn't matter.

I go to the gym 3-5 times a week and have set my activity level to moderate.

I enter my exercise into MFP but ONLY eat back any exercise calories that take my NET calories to below my BMR.

So, this week for example, I burned 1200 calories on Monday doing pump and combat. This dropped my net calories to below my BMR by something like 800 calories - I ate these back. Tuesday I didn't go so just ate my TDEE less cut. Wednesday I burned 600 cals at pump, it dropped my net calories to below my BMR by 200 calories, so I ate those back. Today I went swimming and burned 230 calories. I don't need to eat these back because my net calories will not drop below my BMR.

So, I know that if my exercise for the delay is less than 500 calories I just ignore those calories and eat my usual TDEE less cut. (BMR - 1500, TDEE LESS CUT - 2000)

ceebeegeebies Thu 21-Jun-12 17:50:46

Thank you - that is exactly what I have been doing smile

Also, what is the EMTWL view on 'saving' calories for the next day? You could do this on diets that I have done but do you think it would work on this WOE?

I rarely have any calories left tbh but I do usually have too many on a Thursday due to the exercise I do and not enough on Fridays due to the wine I drink not doing any exercise - so I could I average the 2 days out?

ShirleyKnot Thu 21-Jun-12 18:05:36

I think it's a no-no, because we're meant to be consistent. Although saying that I do think that it's not a massive deal now and again.

quirkychick Thu 21-Jun-12 20:36:38

Yy Shirl, I think I have worked out that I only need to worry if exercise is more than 500cals. I will probably do more tomorrow as school/pre-school runs will add up to 2 hrs 20 mins fast walking which is my cardio. I probably will do some weights which I will count and housework/laundry /chasing a small person around which I won't count. Maybe I should find my pedometer...

I have apple & cinnamon fridge porridge tomorrow- yum! I think I have almost hit my macros today too.

quirkychick Thu 21-Jun-12 20:40:30

I think that was why I plateaued before. Lots of activity/eating small meals in the week > starving: lots of bigger meals and treats with rest during the weekend> putting it all back on. Consistency is better: the weekly graph will show you your net calories per day.

OverflowingMum Thu 21-Jun-12 21:08:39

hello all , can I join you! I think you are just what I need. I have done some reading of the old threads and think I understand the basics!
Over the past 18 months I have lost about 4 1/2 stone - which obviously I am V happy about...trouble is over the past 4-5 months it has started creeping slowly back up, and worse than that I have been alternating between being quite restrictive and then totally bingeingsad I now think I would like to loose about 1 stone.
I have tried out potatoes not prozac before, but not sure I want to go the whole way with that. I do definitely try to limit the ammount of white foods and refined sugar I have, and I try to have good ammounts of protein with each meal. I am also a fan of protein powder - so many uses and great for whizzing up a quick shake with banana and almonds - yummy!
I also run about 3 times a week, usually clocking up 15-20 miles. I dont do the gym, but do also run round after 6 DC quite a bit!I have previously struggled when training for a half marathon and was also trying to eat less and less- you need calories for stamina!
So... according to calculator my BMR is 1363, my tdee is 2133 so I should be aiming for 1796 calories a day.
I'm going to start tracking on MFP tomorrow...hopefully this thread will give me the inspiration I need! grin

knitknack Thu 21-Jun-12 21:59:36

Well my wild and exciting lifestyle now includes a square of 85% dark chocolate! Oh yes ladies, I think we can agree that I KNOW how to let my hair down...

(new pudding : full fat greek yoghurt, handful of fresh blueberries, grate that dark square of bitter gorgeousness all over, mix up and scoff) YUM

smile

ShirleyKnot Thu 21-Jun-12 22:06:49

Welcome over,

Lovely to see you!

HearMyRoar Fri 22-Jun-12 08:34:11

Welcome over! Sound like you are doing pretty amazing so far smile

I have just discovered that montezuma does 100% cocoa giant chocolate buttons. Thay are a bit crazy and something of an aquired taste i think but i can nibble on just one throughout the day and still feel off my face on cocoa.

Bit worried at the moment that dd is starting out on her 3 month growth spurt as she has already fed 5 times today and it is only 8:30! Her growth spurts always mean days of nothing but eating and crying from 5am to 8pm (mostly her but sometimes me as well) which invarible leads to me doing nothing apart from sitting on the sofa eating cake and watching spooks boxsets. Ho hum hopefully i will be able to bundle her into a sling at somepoint this morning and zoom to sainsbury's to buy something to distract me from the biscuit tin for a bit longer grin

TobyLerone Fri 22-Jun-12 10:18:17

Morning!

I feel like crap today. Really horrible stomachache, which I've had since yesterday. Doesn't bode well for my dirty weekend away, but at least I'm not hungry!

Hi over smile 4.5 stone is amazing! Well done.

ceebeegeebies Fri 22-Jun-12 12:47:21

Right I am having a bad day - thought I would treat myself to a Subway salad for lunch and accidentally <ahem> bought a steak and cheese sub instead and then also happened to fall into Greggs next door and bought a chocolate cupcake blush I have just eaten them both and they were delicious grin

However, I have got another 4 hours to kill in the office and I am by myself and bored...I have no healthy snacks to eat other than 2 babybels and I know I will have to head towards the chocolate machine later on this afternoon.

I am going to have write today off aren't I?

Toby hope you get better soon smile

Welcome Over - losing 4.5 stone is an amazing achievement - it must be a great feeling!

OverflowingMum Fri 22-Jun-12 14:34:16

thanks for the welcomes.
It does feel great to have lost so much. Certainly 4 or 5 months ago I felt so good ..... now though that I can see the weight gradually creeping back on it makes me feel so sad sad I think I was probably at my lowest weight just before Christmas. It then stayed steady for a month or so...but definitely it hasnt been good over past 4 months. I am judging this on feel... I haven't actually been brave enough to stand on the scales for a while, but Im guessing Im possibly about a stone over my lowest weight.....It is so soul destroying to think of how hard I worked to lose it all in the first place and that is what is motivating me to make sure I DO NOT just pile it all back on!
Fairly good day so far...porridge for brekkie(with fuit and greek yog for extra protein) wrap filled with salmon flakes and salad for lunch. Couple of flax seed cookies for mid morning snack, and small pack of yogurt coated raisins after lunch cause I was feeling fed up and really wanted a huge cake!
Not sure whats for tea....will decide later.
hope everyones doing well todaygrin

quirkychick Fri 22-Jun-12 17:28:26

Well done losing so much over . Flaxseed cookies sound delicious! Have you tried the fridge porridge yet?

I had apple and cinnamon fridge porridge, salami & goats cheese with olives & salad, I tried the raspberry protein shake after doing weights and we have a waitrose indian takeaway for dinner.

I have already put in the takeaway - omg it's loads of calories! So I have worked out that I'll eat some of the chicken tikka/butter chicken with daal, and some shredded lettuce and onion salad instead of rice/naan. Mfp certainly makes you aware of what you eat. Looking forward to it, though.

Flax seed cookies do sound nice. Do you have a recipe I can steal you could share? smile And well done on the 4.5 stone, I am shock and envy! grin

OverflowingMum Fri 22-Jun-12 19:17:28

ok... so I about done for today and I have managed a whopping 1900 calories, instead of 1800 shock and I thought I had done ok today too!!Certainly does make you more aware!!
quirkychick fridgeporridge sounds good...is that shop bought thing or do you have recipe?

my flax seed cookies are still in an experimental phase LOL ( I do a lot of experimental baking!) but are basically a sort of basic oat cookie recipe with added flax seed and a bit of ginger....not quite got the texture totally right yet!

off to go and bake some experimental almond and coconut muffins.grin

Just marking my place so this doesn't fall off the threads I am on.
Those cookies do sound yummy!!

I, personally, am looking forward to some (nice - lindt dark with chilli/caramel and sea salt) chocolate this evening. Make myself wait until the weekend. grin.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Fri 22-Jun-12 21:04:50

Hi Overflowing 4 stones! Respect! I'm an 1800-er as well. Found it surprisingly difficult at first - mainly because I concentrated a bit too much on the EM bits of Shirl's advice!

If you're bothered about going over, you could do 10 mins of burpees (slow squat thrusts with arm-raises) to even things up 's what I do.

OverflowingMum Fri 22-Jun-12 21:30:07

ok...have been reading the previous thread with interest and picked up loads of interetsing tips! Have found recipe for refrigerator porridge which looks fab grin
as a side note, for those that like greek yogurt and are concerned about protein ammounts Total has approx twice as much protein per 100g as any other brand of greek yog I have found. (even the 0% fat one) Tis more pricey though.
experimental almond/coconut/raspberry muffins look good....totally grain free...will try them tomorrow and report back!
Shirley do you find the Chromium helps with cravings?I have started it recently and have noticed a bit of a change.
To whoever mentioned the "beyond chocolate book" can you please specify in more detail as cant seem to find it on amazon.
Now, sadly, (or not) I have realised it is my bday tomorrow(not that I forgot really!), so may not do so well with the actual eating, but am at least gathering lots of info for a fresh start on Monday!wink

quirkychick Fri 22-Jun-12 21:37:23

Over the fridge porridge is a recipe linked to further up the thread by Shirl. Lots of delicious flavours: strawberry/vanilla, cherry/almond very yummy. Website is yummy life, lots of delicious stuff on there.

I have just made pineapple coconut oatmeal smoothie. Dp bought a pineapple from aldi (he assures me they are on offerhmm). Will use the rest of the coconut milk for a prawn coconut and lime curry. I can certainly recommend shredded iceberg lettuce as a rice alternative with curry. Was delicious with butter chicken.

Almond and coconut muffins sound delicious too...

OverflowingMum Fri 22-Jun-12 21:38:20

oh, sorry. found the chocolate book....not on kindle though....boo!

quirkychick Fri 22-Jun-12 21:38:57

Cross-posted. The magic muffins look great on that site too.

ShirleyKnot Fri 22-Jun-12 21:39:51

Hi Over!

I have become slightly and weirdly addicted to my supplements. I don't feel quite "right" if I don't take them for a day, but I am aware that this is probably psychological! I think the chromium levels out those sugar highs, definitely! I "pigged out" on dark chocolate this afternoon at work (6 squares rather than 4) and although I didn't feel terrific, I didn't slump and need a five minute shut eye in the loos like I used to. <shrugs>

OverflowingMum Fri 22-Jun-12 21:41:23

thanks quirky. website does look fab! off to browse some more...

quirkychick Fri 22-Jun-12 21:53:11

Shirl I have had lots dark choc today, too: Aldi orange and almond- absolutely delicious.

alittlebitshy caramel sea salt/chilli choc sounds good too!

I love chilli chocolate especially. And we have only just discovered the caramel and sea salt one. The dc are always begging for our posh chocolate, although ds 9almost 4) likes the chilli one but is not keen on the salty ones - dd (9) will hoover anything up though grin. like her mother blush.

I am really struggling today. Am working - one a very occasional saturday as an off shoot to me one evening a week job. had cereal before i left - apricot wheats rather than ready brek/porridge as i have been having lately, so maybe that made me less full hmm, but i treated myself to a starbucks chai tea latte en route, so that filled me up til lunch time. However since lunch (cous cous with cuc/toms/prawns; 2 apricots) i have been feeling hungry. Had a cheese oatcake - and will have more.. but it is a while til dinner sad

Just had a fondant fancy too - but got that craving for more noww... eek!

quirkychick Sat 23-Jun-12 16:57:36

Dd1 loves mustard chocolate!i Very spicy.

We had a posh buffet lunch today tried very hard to eat only clean: thai chicken satay, tomato & baby mozzarella on sticks, yum, yum. Gave into a lime and elderflower tart, though. Mmm.

The pineapple and coconut oatmeal smoothie wasn't so good. I think I will try them without the oatmeal.

knitknack Sat 23-Jun-12 17:24:49

My dh wants to try some protein drinks - can anyone remind me where to get those sample flavours from? Hope everyone's OK smile

quirkychick Sat 23-Jun-12 21:00:05

Myprotein is the website.

knitknack Sun 24-Jun-12 08:50:59

Thank you!

quirkychick Sun 24-Jun-12 10:35:13

We have just had a version of Gwyneth Paltrow's blueberry spelt muffins with wholegrain spelt, ground almonds, frozen berries. Very delicious.

bunjies Sun 24-Jun-12 12:11:13

Have been a naughty girl and had to try the aldi version of pimms yesterday. Ended up having 3 rather large glasses blush. T'was v nice though and as near as dammit to pimms. Can't believe it's only £6 a bottle. Oh and aldi pure maple syrup is £3 as opposed to about £5 in other supermarkets.

Made a big bowl of forest fruits fridge porridge last night for the family to have for brekkie this morning. Went down a treat even with dh who doesn't like bircher muesli type stuff. Roast chicken this arvo followed by rhubarb crumble & clotted cream ice cream so will probably be having water for supper!

My dumbells and swiss ball arrived from Amazon so going to start my weight training today. Got the 20kg set and can barely lift the bars let alone with a weight on them <upper body weakling>. So far the kids have used the ball more than me so it's time to get started. If anyone would like me to send them a PDF copy of The New Rules of Lifting for Women PM me your email address and I'll forward it on.

HearMyRoar Sun 24-Jun-12 18:47:02

Just discovered that cooking up apple, banana and almond butter makes the most delicious yummyness ever! I made some to use in my fruit and nut bars to replace sugar, honey and butter and ended up eating spoonfuls on it's own blush

I have somehow ended up under my calorie goal by 400 today and that is including the quark and carrot sticks that I haven't eaten yet. This has never happened to me before. I am in shock. Better have a hot chocolate to bring me round grin

Hope everyone has had a good weekend. Little roar has finally settled down for some sleep and my trousers are feeling distinctly loose so I am currently in a super mood. This may change once dp goes out to watch the football and little roar wakes up and unleashes her full evening melt down upon the house. Ho hum, enjoy it while it lasts I say!

quirkychick Sun 24-Jun-12 21:29:48

bunjies aldi pimm's scans as pimm's proper on mfp not "austin's"! Love aldi's- yy to maple syrup, frozen fish, deli stuff, dark choc...

Let us know what your weights are like.

roar I can't do cooked banana <boak> but apple and almond butter sounds really yummy. Cashew butter is heaven, dp has eaten half the jar and bought 2 more. I think it's gonna be a staple in our house now.

MinnieBar Sun 24-Jun-12 21:39:52

Hello all... I ate something else new today!....................

.... a chickpea.

Pretty bland and pointless really and curiously nothing like houmous, in so far as I could tell. confused grin

Well done Minnie! The magic of houmous is all about the tahini, garlic, olive oil and lemon, I think. Chickpeas are great though.

I have had a bit of a sugar binge this weekend sad. Not enough sleep Friday night, NCT sale volunteering all of Saturday fuelled by coffee, cake and chocolate, and then today I really tried to eat healthily but was having serious sugar lows and unable to resist.

Anyone any tips for re-setting, when you are in a real sugar high / dip cycle?

Hopefully Sun 24-Jun-12 22:19:25

SE I have eased myself back into cleaner eating by switching unhealthy sugary things for healthier sweet things like granola, cookies made with honey etc. They hit the sugar craving without being so appealing that I eat 57 of them, and no other nasties to crave on top of the sugar, and I've gradually managed to cut down on the 'healthy' sweet things. Not as quick or efficient as cold turkey, but I have never successfully gone cold turkey on sugar in my life grin

Have finally lost a pound, which gets me back down to more or less my pre-holiday weight of a month ago, so I'm a happy girl.

CJCregg Mon 25-Jun-12 09:32:32

Hello everyone grin

I'm checking in again because I need a kick up the arse. I feel hugely fat, and I know I'm not doing this right.

I haven't had sugar for three weeks. I have much more energy, but I'm still eating too many carbs, I think. I tell myself that because they're brown/wholemeal/'healthy' I can have loads of them hmm. I think I might be overdoing the fat eg full fat yoghurt as well.

I know what I should be doing. I should be entering everything religiously into MFP and replacing carbs with protein.

I need my arse kicked.

I thank you.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 25-Jun-12 09:57:28

<kick>

If you could return the favour I'd be grateful!

AF has returned for the first time since having DS2 and I'm all over the place. The weekend has been a disaster, faaaar too much sugar and crap and I feel heavy and bloated this morning.

Doing better so far - blueberry, walnut and honey fridge porridge this morning and I feel really full.

I am so cross, because I was doing really well and it was working, and I have sabotaged massively angrysad

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 25-Jun-12 10:05:52

I don't think your arse needs kicking smile. Just looked at your diary what there is of it, and (I'm not the expert, obv), but it strikes me your breakfasts are a bit light. If you're sensitive to sugar you really need a decent dollop of protein in the morning, otherwise you'll have a very early slump and be chasing to get your energy all day.

I don't think full fat yoghurt is a problem, although, for me, I can't rely on it as the protein mainstay in a meal as it just doesn't fill me up. I just use it as a 'dessert' with fruit after a meal occasionally, or in fruit porridge with loads of nuts added.

I'm not a fan of low-carbing; I don't see what's wrong with healthy carbs alongside the protein, and I think I've mentioned my gallbladder gives me gyp whenever i try it. It leaves less cals for snacks, but tbh, you don't really feel the need for many snacks when your meals are properly balanced.

I do find entering my amounts really helpful, though, and I think that's the One Thing you need to start doing as it makes you consistent in your calorie intake, which I think is key to this WOE working.

< steps aside for someone with a big boot >

CJCregg Mon 25-Jun-12 10:22:55

Thanks. blush about the diary. I just get very CBA about filling it in. And yes, that's the problem.

I just feel so fucking fat today. It's so depressing after cutting out all those cakes and chocolate, dammit, you'd think that alone would have made some difference.

Oh well. Salmon and broccoli again tonight then grin

CJCregg Mon 25-Jun-12 10:25:11

Alibaba, it's Monday. Always known in my house as 'Start Again Day'. Put the weekend behind you and join me on the naughty bench I may have had some kettle chips.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 25-Jun-12 10:32:56

Alibab, was it you who mentioned the twisty board thing for trimming the waist? Could you tell me which one you have - been looking and it's hard to tell which is the best.

I've realised the spare tyre/love handles are the main things stopping me from wearing half the clothes in my wardrobe the other half is down to the fat arse.

TobyLerone Mon 25-Jun-12 10:38:19

Morning all.

I haven't updated MFP at all this weekend, because I couldn't be arsed was away, in a place with very limited internet access. I know I haven't gone over my limit -- if anything I was quite a bit under due to feeling like crap and having limited appetite -- but it still feels wrong not having filled in my diary.

I don't think today will be a great day -- I'm still feeling very delicate in the stomach. I'm almost certain that I have an ulcer. So today will be gentle comfort-carbs, I think. Hopefully I'll be back to normal tomorrow.

ShirleyKnot Mon 25-Jun-12 10:39:42

It will make a difference CJ, you just need to be patient. I expect you're carrying water so make sure you drink plenty today to flush it out.

<sigh> My friend came to see me yesterday, she's a FI and sports masseur. Anyway, my thumb has been hurting me for about a month - I thought I'd pulled a muscle during body pump (my wrists can be a little slack on the triceps and that's FATAL for pulling stuff) but she thinks I might have dislocated it! SHe did offer to pop it back in but I was too afeard! I'm going to the doctors tonight, but I am telling you something, if I have been wandering around with a doslocated joint for a month I am going to change my name to SuperHardNutShirley. shock grin

ShirleyKnot Mon 25-Jun-12 10:44:21

Argh Tobes - have you been to the docs? Ulcers are SOOOO easy to treat now, 10 x days of antibiotics and you're cured. Amazing.

TobyLerone Mon 25-Jun-12 10:58:58

I've been to the docs several times and they've given me acid inhibitor wossnames because the diagnosis is gastritis. They say I'm not exhibiting any symptoms of an actual ulcer. However, whilst lying in bed on Saturday night, on our anniversary, while I cried in pain, we googled (I know!) and it would seem that the pain was more indicative of an ulcer than anything else. So I shall have to go back. I'm off work on Fri. I'll go then.

DP was quite concerned. I have squeezed an entire human out of my lady parts without even a paracetamol, so I am pretty nails where pain is concerned. But this pain had me actually in tears. Bastard!

Ooooh, a dislocated thumb? You will have to take my NailsCrown if that is the case!

ceebeegeebies Mon 25-Jun-12 13:31:38

Shirley that would be a dislocated thumb with a fabulous-looking nail then wink

I too have had a bad weekend - too much alcohol, cake and chocolate.

I am still waiting to see a difference - I had thought the fact that my clothes weren't any looser was due to an imminent AF but that has been and gone now and there is still no difference sad

Someone come and remind me that I need to be patient and this is a long-game!!

ShirleyKnot Mon 25-Jun-12 15:55:12

This is the long game - BE PATIENT!

CJCregg Mon 25-Jun-12 16:05:15

Thanks, Shirl - I had forgotten about the water drinking blush [stupidtwat]

quirkychick Mon 25-Jun-12 16:44:41

I too have succumbed to puddings at the weekend: we had lunch with a lovely buffet on saturday with delicious tart, felt the need to help out with eating cream scones on sunday..blush But, I haven't put any weight on as I've been trying to balance it out.

Myprotein has a buy one get one half price offer. Might just be on the bigger packs. The code is ISOWHEY. I have just ordered vanilla and unflavoured.

LurkingAndLearningForNow Mon 25-Jun-12 16:47:42

I understood none of the acronyms in the title, but read the first post and want to tentatively post.

I am quite slim (skinny fat, if you will) and I have a reaaaaally bad habit of midnight snacking as I have insomnia. It's almost 2AM here and I just ate the better part of a bag of chips. sad

So my goal is to STOP night snacking while insomnia-busting! I eat very well (usually) otherwise and drink almost nothing but water.

Maryz Mon 25-Jun-12 16:54:05

I have lost four pounds and an inch off every measurement (hips/waist/bust) since I started this.

And had a lot more energy.

And genuinely not once felt hungry. Or looked at any food and thought "I can't have that".

And I was very brave measuring myself today (I'm only doing it Mondays) as I had a chinese takeaway and most of a bottle of wine last night blush

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 25-Jun-12 17:09:02

Maryz - that is brilliant, well done! grin

Hopefully Mon 25-Jun-12 17:13:53

Maryz that's great! Well done.

I start month 2 of Insanity tonight, protein shakes at the ready! grin

quirkychick Mon 25-Jun-12 17:14:42

Fantastic Maryz!

Welcome LurkingandLearning. Basically eat more to lose weight ie don't put yourself in starvation and yoyo diet. Stay away from the bastard scales and way of eating. hth

LurkingAndLearningForNow Mon 25-Jun-12 17:22:25

Ugh yeah the scales. I avoid them like the plague! I am very small boned and very small yet I weigh so heavy. No idea why. My GP actually almost said 'wtf' when she weighed me after some blood tests a month or so ago.

Does anyone else have this problem? I started going nuts thinking I must look so much bigger in my minds eye, but mum and DP were shocked when I stated my weight.

I HATE THE SCALES!!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 25-Jun-12 20:42:26

Lurking - you sound healthy if you are small but heavy, lots of muscle! There is nothing wrong with being heavy in itself, inches matter more than lbs IMO.

I have Shredded, woohoo! First time in months. I also did Level 2 for the first time so feeling quite proud of myself.

LurkingAndLearningForNow Mon 25-Jun-12 20:52:17

Hmm..Muscle never occurred to me because of all the cellulite blush

Happy shredding Alibaba! grin

Hopefully Mon 25-Jun-12 21:43:19

O.M.G.

Month two of Insanity is Not Easy. On the plus side, I burned a whopping 566 calories doing one workout shock

Lurking I have always been really heavy for my size, iykwim. Partly because I am reasonably broad shouldered, but I think also because I have quite a lot of muscle - it's actually starting to be visible now the fat layers are shedding!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 25-Jun-12 21:50:25

How do I put Shred into MFP? I have no idea of my calorie burn.

Enter it as circuit training Ali

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 25-Jun-12 22:57:23

Thanks 7th smile It felt like more than 220 calories at the time!! grin

TobyLerone Tue 26-Jun-12 04:34:37

Hi, Lurking.

Nobody ever believes how much I weigh, either. I'm 5'3" and weigh 11st 6lbs, but am nowhere near as 'fat' as I ought to be, IYSWIM.

Well done, Maryz!

LurkingAndLearningForNow Tue 26-Jun-12 04:38:29

I think all my 'muscle' is hiding under a layer of stubborn skinny-fat!

bunjies Tue 26-Jun-12 09:02:36

To those who PM'd me about the lifting book - I've sent you a msg about the file size. It's 7Mb(!) so let me know if you still want me to send it. Don't want it clogging up your email accounts!"

Same here Lurking. I am 5'1" and weigh 10st 7lbs (well last time I looked) but I asked dh to hide the sclaes so I am SAFTFBS! I do have an enormous gut though which makes me look 6m pregnant all the time as I'm not really massive elsewhere. It just looks so wrong <sigh>. Really considering lipo to get rid. If I had a spare £5k I would so do it.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 26-Jun-12 09:38:42

Bunjies - if you have a mummy tummy like that then your muscles may have separated. Mine had, and I have been doing the exercises from Julie Tuplar's book for about 8 months and it is so much better.

Feel loads better this morning, back on an even keel.

Hopefully Tue 26-Jun-12 10:00:53

I have a weird dent in the middle of my abs, just above my belly button, where I assume my muscles have never knitted back together, despite physio after DS2's birth for it. Doesn't cause me any bother at all, but when I do sit ups there's a little concave bit that I can stick my fingers into. <not relevant>

Ali I figure with things like circuit training they feel harder than straightforward cardio because they're building muscle, so the long term calorie burn is a hell of a lot more than just those 220 calories, iykwim.

I am a daily weigher - it doesn't bother me in the least when I fluctuate because I'm so used to it. I always find it interesting that when i do a really hard workout I weight at least 1lb more than next day from all the water retained for muscle repair etc.

ShirleyKnot Tue 26-Jun-12 10:30:31

<groan>

Am dying of a summer cold <dramatic> so not managing to eat up much past my BMR. I wonder how many calories there are in night nurse. <ponders>

Excellent result for Maryz - well done.

TobyLerone Tue 26-Jun-12 10:35:52

Poor Shirl sad

quirkychick Tue 26-Jun-12 13:37:45

Shirl, if you are ill then you probably aren't using much more than your bmr wink.

A question about protein shakes, I should take them after weights but should I take them after cardio? Should I take them anyway to up protein macros?

Ginger oatcakes with cashew butter is delicious.

ShirleyKnot Tue 26-Jun-12 15:23:31

You can drink them whenever! I read that WHEN you have them isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.

MinnieBar Tue 26-Jun-12 16:15:53

I have a rather sizeable tummy too. In fact it's so flabby I find it hard to tell if my muscles are still separated as I can't really feel them through the fat (nice).

Feeling stupid and tired today. Got stressed about some tenants I have, got back too late to eat a proper lunch so just snacked on crisps and biscuits blush, so now I'm suffering the horrendous crash afterwards and kicking myself for not forcing myself to eat something better. And now I'm not really hungry, just feeling like I could lay down right now and fall asleep... no chance with all three DCs at home <yawn>

MinnieBar Tue 26-Jun-12 16:16:13

Sorry, also meant to say - hope you feel better soon Shirl.

quirkychick Tue 26-Jun-12 16:35:22

Thanks, Shirl. Hope you feel better soon. Dd2 has a summer cold too and is grumpy & 2.5.

I waiting for my mega consignment from myprotein to arrive. Years ago I did the Leslie Kenton X Factor (as in Syndrome X/insulin resistance not the tv show) and she recommended Solgar Whey to Go powder. Also she talked about weights too. I might dig out my copy...

quirkychick Tue 26-Jun-12 16:37:36

Minnie eat something with protein to help give you energy for longer eg. nuts, cottage cheese, houmous to stop the sugar spike.

HearMyRoar Tue 26-Jun-12 20:35:33

Hope you're feeling better Shirl smile

I have completly gone off the rails today. DD unexpectedly fell asleep on me and I was too scared to move her as she has been ill and so napping terribly. Unfortunatly she then sleep for 3 hours so I was left sitting there with no food or drink and of course I crashed terribly and stuffed myself with oat cakes as soon as she woke up. Whoops...

Still, DP came up to me today said 'gosh, you have lost weight haven't you!'. He sounded very surprised about it grin

Notanexcitingname Tue 26-Jun-12 21:02:28

Lurking, if you do ever feel the need to get scales again, get ones which do your body fat %.

On the subject, I've lost another 3 lbs. Allegedly. I'm getting concerned that I'm losing all this water. I know its water since my body fat % has gone up, and water down. Do I need to worry? change my calories? I'm pretty much hitting my daily target now, although i need to re jig when I eat them. I've been spending much of the morning hungry, then needing to eat extra in the evening. Followed the advice upthread about protein for breakfast today, and it made a big difference smile. I'm pretty rubbish in the mornings, and not really keen on breakfast, but have been making myself.

I'm very pleasantly suprised how much more energy I've had, and I had my first "you're looking trim" comment (I'm not, it's just an improvement on last year wink).

I don;'t think nightnurse has many calories, but it is good stuff wink

quirkychick Tue 26-Jun-12 21:48:29

Notanexcitingname which scales have you got and how do they measure body fat?

I find I'm eating a 2 course breakfast of half when I first get up (often half a fridge porridge) and later with the dcs. That seems to give me enough to last till lunch.

TobyLerone Wed 27-Jun-12 06:54:23

How do they know how much body fat you have?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 27-Jun-12 10:12:33

Shirl I hope you're feeling better this morning.

Toby - I've got scales that measure body fat. They have a handle that you hold like the machines in the gym and it does it somehow with electricity I think <technical>
You can use them just as normal scales as well - I only do the fat/water/muscle measuring once a month because it can fluctuate quite a lot from one day to another - good to get a general idea though.

quirky - I do that, eat half my fridge porridge and then the rest after I've dropped DS1 at preschool or mid-morning.

TobyLerone Wed 27-Jun-12 10:33:50

Fancy!

From here.

Body fat scales use a technique called Bioelectrical Impedance Analysis... or BIA for short. Very simply...

A small and completely harmless electrical current is passed through your body. The electrical current passes more quickly through fat free tissue like muscle than it does through fat or bone tissue.

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Very interesting, and now sadly ANOTHER gadget I want! blush

wherearemysocks do you like your fitbit? I'm seriously considering getting one, and it's payday tomorrow! grin Is it easy to use? And do you find it gets in the way?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 27-Jun-12 11:30:53

Yes I am also thinking about a fitbit...

quirkychick Wed 27-Jun-12 11:42:49

Great minds alibabaa ...

Thanks for the info on scales. Dp wants to get some more as he thinks ours are inaccurate. Gadgets like body fat might be very appealing wink.

Notanexcitingname Wed 27-Jun-12 11:52:15

Thanks MrsMango biscuit smile, I was just looking for a link, came back and you'd done my work for me smile. The BIA method has its inaccuracies, namely that the results vary with how hydrated you are. If you're eating well and drinking a good amount of ater,also measure at the same time of day, then that shouldn't be too much of a problem for a compari.tive measure.

wherearemysocks Wed 27-Jun-12 17:03:36

Fitbit very easy to use. To set it up you just plug it in to the computer and go to fitbit.com and put in your height weight etc and your goals. Then you just wear it on you waistband and off you go. It also syncs up with MFP so logs your exercise for you. I can't remember exactly how I did that but I am really not computer savvy at all and I managed it easy enough, it prompts you to do it I think.

I'd recommend it definitely.

Oh good, I'm glad you said that as I've just won an auction for one on ebay. smile
Let's just hope it turns up. hmm

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Wed 27-Jun-12 17:32:05

I was thinking of getting a fitbit, but I did my usual thi g of reading the 1star reviews on Amazon, and a lot of people seemed to be complaing that it logged time on the car as burning calories! I wish! Does that happen with yours, WMS, or is it maybe an aberration in an odd few?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 27-Jun-12 17:32:55

MrsMango - do you mind me asking how much it was? I've only seen them online for about £75, which I am baulking at rather despite having spent that much on lovely Elemis things last week

wherearemysocks Wed 27-Jun-12 17:41:34

I don't drive. But next time I am on the bus I will check.

wherearemysocks Wed 27-Jun-12 17:49:01

shotgun I think it counts the fact that you still burn cals when resting. For instance mine currently reads that I've burnt about 2400 but it has only allowed for 800 on MFP. So for example I have my MFP goal cals set at 1200, my fitbit has given me an extra 800 odd, so my calorie allowance for the day is 2000.

I have done 2 school runs of just over a mile each way, so about 4.5 miles walked plus a shred so an extra 800 is about right.

It also tells me I have climbed 36 flights of stairs today and travelled 7.92 miles.

Ali - £56 total. I've been checking for them every few days and watching the cheap ones.

Shotgun, I don't drive so not a problem here smile

amalur Wed 27-Jun-12 23:32:40

HI everyone, I am just checking in, I was avoiding the thread and mfp because I knew I wasn't doing it right blush.

I'm too tired to type more but I just wanted to get myself going again. Will report more tomorrow.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 27-Jun-12 23:47:17

Thanks MrsMango - I think I will wait, the oven appears to have broken so I need to see how much that is going to cost before I start spending on other random things!

hopefully I saw an advert for insanity this morning - OMG are you really doing that!? Made me exhausted just looking at it. Quite a funny advert though grin
I am fairly sure that I couldn't do most of the exercises.

jchocchip Thu 28-Jun-12 06:38:40

lurking and reading... marks place

Hopefully Thu 28-Jun-12 07:38:33

Ali I am, and it is insane grin. I can do most of the moves, but I in no way keep up with the DVD people. I am fitter than I think I've ever been in my life though. It's lovely going for a morning run and enjoying the sun/view/rain/whatever instead of just suffering lots.

Still not quite back below the 10st mark though, which I hit (very briefly) before holidays last month.

Made wholemeal oat pancakes this morning from the master your metabolism cookbook. Quite a lot of calories (I had 1.5 servings, so about 500 cals), but incredibly filling, doubt I'll need a morning snack

ShirleyKnot Thu 28-Jun-12 09:38:13

Good morning all.

Ugh, still feeling really rough and have not been logging my food as it's POINTLESS as all I've wanted to eat is easy crisps and sandwiches and chocolate.

BUT, last night I woke up at 2am and couldn't get back to sleep until 4. I haven't had a night like that for AGES and then I was having completely barmy (and upsetting) dreams and I was TMI ALERT trumping the most foul trumps in the history of trumpets. I think it's a combination of not being well - chest infection is settling in - so not exercising and not eating well so the balance in my poor old body is effed.

I'm clambering gingerly back on the wagon, it's stupid trying to get better by eating crap, and even though I'm knackered and feel dreadful I need to cook some proper decent food and get myself well ASAP.

/moan

TobyLerone Thu 28-Jun-12 09:42:04

Poor Shirl sad

I know what you mean about getting off the wagon, though. It's easy to do, especially if you've been ill. I've been the same this week, and I'm definitely feeling worse for it. We're all over the place at the moment, with end of term activities and DP moving in, so it's hard to know what to cook when I don't know where everyone will be from one minute to the next. That's my excuse, at least!

This weekend I will shop properly and get back on it. I hope you feel better soon.

ShirleyKnot Thu 28-Jun-12 09:53:38

I hope YOU feel better - how's your tum doing chick?

Are you super excited about the boytoy moving in? <SQUEE>

TobyLerone Thu 28-Jun-12 09:59:19

Aw, thanks. I'm ok. Back on the meds now, so it's settled down a bit. Stupid gut rot!

I'm a bit excited, but tbh he's been at mine more than he's been at his for a very long time, so it won't make that much difference. And it's about time! I'm more excited because we've decided that I'm going to give up work and do up my house so that we can sell it and buy one together. So no more shitty job for me! I'm handing in my notice on Monday gringrin

ShirleyKnot Thu 28-Jun-12 10:03:18

Oh. My. God.

So jealous. envy

I'm thinking I might have to get ANOTHER job to pay for my fucking dental work (7.5K paid already, just been told I need a brace [40 next year FFS] which is £1,700.) sad

God Damn motherfuckers. And that's swearing.

TobyLerone Thu 28-Jun-12 10:15:18

Oh crap. The brace is optional, though? So perhaps you could save up and do it in a year or so (or take out a credit card with a really good introductory rate, purely to put this on and spread the cost). That is some God Damn Motherfucking expensive dental work right there!

ShirleyKnot Thu 28-Jun-12 11:02:54

It is optional - I'm going to save up for a year and have it done for my 40th. HAHAHA!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 28-Jun-12 17:20:26

God Shirley that is a nightmare! Teeth are so bloody expensive.

Toby - eek how exciting! grin

I have done much better today, and therefore I'm not experiencing at 5pm sugar-crash.

My sodding oven is broken though, which has scuppered all the available dinner options. So I had to go and shop even though the shopping is for the week is being delivered in the morning, and now the freezer is full of the things we were supposed to eat last night and today. A minor issue in the scheme of things, but bloody irritating all the same.

vezzie Fri 29-Jun-12 13:25:20

Can I ask advice from all you good-food-gurus?
I seem to have got myself into a position where I am eating 3 meals a day standing up or at my desk. I would really like to have one meal at home at the table but I leave the house at 7.25 am and don't feel like it, and get home at 7.30 and go straight into bath time etc. By 8.30 I am starving and really don't feel like cooking.
Anyway this all leads to, ahem, poor food choices.
Sometimes I stuff some ham in a roll and eat it on the train, and call that dinner, but doing that repeatedly makes me feel sad and unloved and like a disgusting savage.
I just want to sit down and eat off a plate with salad and a knife and fork. Failing that, how would you suggest I can eat nicely (good good in a reasonably civilised way that makes me feel like a member of the human race)? I can peel babybels etc anywhere but emotionally that is not good and over time it just makes me eat more.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 29-Jun-12 14:11:44

vezzie have a look on here for the fridge porridge recipes. DH takes one with him in the morning and eats it on the train so that he gets off to a good start with food.
For dinner - can you batch cook things like bolognaise, casseroles etc so that when you come in you can stick something in the oven, then once you've done bath time etc you just need to do some pasta - or just shove a jacket potato in the oven when you put the meal in to heat?
The alternative is to plan very quick meals. Stir-fry, pan-fried fish with couscous, antipasti, eggs/beans on toast?

HearMyRoar Fri 29-Jun-12 14:42:22

Vezzie, I would second batch cooking. You could get a slow cooker and batch cook chilli and curry or stews over the weekend. If you use the slow cooker then it really doesn't take much of your day and you can still go out and do stuff while it is cooking.

Also meal plan for the week. I find this really helped as it stops the standing in front of the fridge when you are really hungry wondering what on earth to cook and finally just stuffing your face with ham and crisps (well, that's what would happen to me anyway blush ). If you know exactly what you are eating then you can make sure you have everything ready and you don't need to make any decisions or worry about not having some vital ingredient.

quirkychick Fri 29-Jun-12 16:48:26

Definitely sounds like you need something healthy to eat on the train to tide you over. I remember commuting and grabbing muffins or pies on the way home blush. Fridge porridge/oatmeal smoothie as said before is really easy, portable and filling. Or what about nuts, fruit and oatcakes which take hardly any time.

I menu plan and say it makes life much easier. It is not set in stone, but helps, as Hearmyroar says, with that I'm really hungry I'll eat any old crap anything. For instance, dd1 does quite a few after school activities so it's nice to know when we get in what I'm going to cook.

You could always join mfp and put in your food for the day. If you tell us your mfp name we can watch what you eat wink.

Hopefully Fri 29-Jun-12 19:05:57

Vezzie others have said exactly what I would - fridge porridge (or bake a big batch of wholemeal/fruit/seed muffins and bung them in the freezer, grab one out the night before so it defrosts. You can make about 5 dozen in a couple of hours, which would keep you going for weeks) for breakfast, lots of batch cooking for evening meals so you can microwave them, and menu plan obsessively.

Speaking of menu planning, I need to start planning my intake a bit more religiously again - I have been just winging it this week (i.e. entering everything after I eat it, rather than planning ahead, which works really well for me) and I am missing virtually all my macros (bar carbs and sugar, which I am exceeding embarrassingly). I'm really feeling it in my workouts - recovery is slower, I haven't got the energy to get through a workout. It's awful! Going to sit down tonight and menu plan the next week or so in the hope of getting back on top of my iron/protein/fruit and veg levels.

(Yet) Another vote for meal planning and batch cooking. I also try to make sure I have portions of frozen veggies ready to go. I buy lots of carrots/brocolli/green beans etc, peel/chop, then chuck them in boiling water for 3 minutes, straight to icy water, weigh, bag and freeze them. (Mainly because I'm too tight to buy steam fresh ready done packets!) I try to make sure I have frozen fish portions ready to go to. Defrost fish while I'm at work, get in, chuck everything in the steamer, get DD to bed, then eat. It makes a nice change to having the usual batch dinners and it's really easy to enter it into MFP.

Ooh and smoothies to take with you in the mornings on days you don't fancy fridge porridge. Very easy if you keep in some frozen berries.

PS, I do NOT sell freezers for a living! grin

ShirleyKnot Sat 30-Jun-12 08:41:06

<cough cough splutter>

<waves>

I've got to do the Race For Life tomorrow with a fecking chest infection. Feck feck feck.

<limps off again>

<cough>

crazynell Sat 30-Jun-12 09:21:14

hi does this thread sound like me? I'm into eating for my health - but i need to lose some weight - i did weight watcher - kept to a healthy eating approach as far as possible and lost weight - tho too much and got a bit obsessive about it. Now its going back on - i really don't think diets work long term - but i need something to get me going - i'm 5ft 7 and 12 stone - i've had to buy bigger trousers while i'm on my holiday sad and when i come back next week i've got to do something about ny weight - ps i try not to eat bread and cakes as i get exzcema and ibs also food laden with preservatives.

quirkychick Sat 30-Jun-12 11:29:57

Hi crazynell yup sounds like me too. I am 5'7.5" and was pootling about 11.5+ st but have been resolutely 11-just under since doing this WOE. Look much trimmer and feel much better last 3+ weeks.

I would say join mfp but site is down for maintenance atm. It does track exactly what you eat and I was quite surprised how much carb/little protein I was eating when I thought it was otherwise.

MFP is back up. <breathes again!>

And my FitBit is here! Woo hoo! grin

quirkychick Sat 30-Jun-12 15:05:17

I wad just going to post that too, MrsMangoBiscuit. <woohoo>

Following Hopefully's suggestion I made oatmeal pancakes with blueberries. They were really light and tasty but I couldn't shake the idea that I was frying porridge! I often make different types of pancakes for dds with fruit & yoghurt and maple syrup. A big batch to have 2 days or freeze for later.

Does anyone had any suggestions for a clean, balanced, but calorific dessert? I've got 1k calories left even after dinner. sad

knitknack Sat 30-Jun-12 19:51:33

Full fat greek yoghurt and any fruity bits you might have?

We've just had fillet steak, asparagus, salad and home grown broad beans (pay day yesterday!) - my goodness! Such a feast smile) am now staring down the barrel of 4 weeks sugar free!

My lively ex dp has just dropped his weights off here for me to borrow - I'm going to try them tomorrow!

Round yours for dinner tomorrow then knitknack! grin

I already had greek yoghurt for lunch, with honey and chopped nuts, delicious. I'm having a go at oatmeal pancakes. A few of those with maple syrup and blueberries should do it, if they turn out edible!

Good luck for tomorrow Shirley, I hope you're feeling much better. No shame in not doing it if you're in no fit state though. <worrier emote>

knitknack Sat 30-Jun-12 20:28:28

Yes, I meant to add GOOD LUCK SHIRLEY!!!!!!

TobyLerone Sat 30-Jun-12 22:39:34

Yy good luck, Shirl!

quirkychick Sun 01-Jul-12 08:50:11

Good luck Shirl.

bunjies Sun 01-Jul-12 10:19:38

Hope you were fit enough for the run today Shirley and you didn't do it feeling rough. Your health and recovery are important < gives stern matronly glare> Seriously, hope you're feeling better.

Had a lovely day out with the family yesterday. We went to Kew gardens and had a great time. I was amazed the kids enjoyed it as much as they did considering they range in age from 7 to 13. We got a picnic lunch from m&s so it kept the cost down but meant we didn't have to be stingy. Had some spicy chicken wings and a lovely fruit salad. Walked for hours and according to mfp burned over a 1000 cals shock. Made up for the big Mac & fries I had on the way home blush. Tasted damned good though!

Gotta go shopping this morning so will get in lots of good protein as am finding it really difficult achieving my macro.

BsshBossh Sun 01-Jul-12 10:48:55

Hurrah, I've found you! I started MFP on 1200 cals a day plus exercising three times a week and eating some, but not all, my exercise cals and I was hungry. I knew that I would not last the course on such low calories and that my metabolism would slow so much that I would simply gain weight as soon as I stopped eating 1200 cals. What's the point of that?

I successfully lost 3 stones last year on Paul McKenna and have learned some excellent eating principles from him which I will continue to follow. But I still have a bit more to lose and need the discipline of logging calories on MFP.

I hunted around on the MFP forums and discovered the EMTLW group. EMTLW makes logical sense to me so here I am smile

I'm eating at the TDEE of my goal weight so that gives me 1800 cals a day - much, much more sensible and attainable (for me). I exercise three times a week and my TDEE calorie intake accounts for this so I don't eat back my exercise cals.

I've only just started eating this way so time will tell how my weight drops, but I have faith! More importantly - I'm not hungry any longer so this diet is much more sustainable for me.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Sun 01-Jul-12 15:26:59

Hi BB! my TDEE is also 1800 cals which I'm finding realistic to achieve. It's been a month for me now and I haven't lost any weight (or inches), but it's making me more aware of the importance of exercise in all this, and I'm happy to take the long view, which I think you probably have to when you don't have much left to lose. Two summers ago I got down almost to my fighting weight in time for my holiday but did the classic thing of piling it all back on just as quickly.

This, and avoiding sugar as much as poss, seems a more realistic way of slowly losing it and keeping it lost!

quirkychick Sun 01-Jul-12 21:36:09

Anyone else having probs with mfp? I put stuff in earlier but it keeps saying synchronising diaries but doesn't load.

We walked for ages today, too, bunjies. We walked into the city where we live to have lunch in a cafe and had tea in a gorgeous open garden. I justified my taste of squidgy, gluten-free chocolate cake by all the calories burned. Was delicious!

How did you get on today, Shirl? I hope you don't feel too rough.

BsshBossh Mon 02-Jul-12 09:24:14

Hi ShotgunNotDoingThePans, yes, from last year I remember the first stone came off very quickly and then weight loss slowed down the closer I got to reaching goal. I still have alot some pounds to lose but I'm only weighing once a fortnight (as per Paul McKenna's guidelines - though he says it's best not to weigh at all) so will see in another week where I am. All I know is that I must have lost a fair bit of water weight already as my face and tummy look considerably tauter - the bloat seems to have gone, so that's a positive.

ShirleyKnot Mon 02-Jul-12 09:50:35

Good Morning.

Well I managed to walk the R4L course, but I found it quite tough hmm. It was cold and raining which didn't help and when I got home yesterday afternoon I ate a pizza and went to bed. grin

I can't wait for this ill to fuck the fuck off TBH - I HATE not being able to go to the gym.

<raises glass of protein shake> Here's to a good week all.

vezzie Mon 02-Jul-12 09:57:17

Well done Shirley. Get well soon.
Thank you all for the food ideas.
I'm realising that I'm struggling with eating well because I am struggling with being away from my dcs so much (after maternity leave) and feeling that everything I eat doesn't "count" - doesn't satisfy me - because I never get to eat with my family. never eat properly at my table. I need to think about the bit in the India and Nerys book, near the beginning it says: get this into your head: whatever you are feeling bad about, food is not going to help it.
All weekend I had my girls crawling all over me and I ate 3 sensible meals each day and didn't think about food at all otherwise. I think I just miss them.

MinnieBar Mon 02-Jul-12 10:02:29

Well done Shirley!

I am still in the throes of eating really badly. I feel really stressed atm - I'm a landlord, and after six years I am finally realising that I'm just not cut out for this. I'm a counsellor and proofreader (not at the same time!) for a reason.

So unsurprisingly, the eat-crap, sleep-badly, permanently-upset-stomach diet does not result in any weight loss, and also you feel emotionally utterly crapola on it.

Pity party over, boot me in the arse someone...

TobyLerone Mon 02-Jul-12 10:19:47

Poor vezzie, Shirl and Minnie sad

I have been awful at filling in MFP lately, but I haven't been eating particularly badly apart from the McD's breakfast on Friday, pizza on Saturday and copious amounts of wine/cider over the whole weekend. I weighed myself this morning and am still the same as I was before we went away for the weekend. So not bad.

I have only gone and handed in my notice at work this morning, so I'm feeling super jumpy!

ShirleyKnot Mon 02-Jul-12 10:27:50

I also have been being crap since I've been ill. Crap at filling out MFP, crap at actually eating well and just generally CRAP.

<links arms with vessie, minnie and Toby>

Right - how about we all make a pact right now to have a good day today?

How did the notice giving go tobes?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 02-Jul-12 10:29:42

Morning everyone - well done Shirley smile

I haven't logged over the weekend but I've eaten pretty well and not snacked on rubbish at all.

There is definitely a lessening of back fat going on.

lovetolurk Mon 02-Jul-12 10:50:50

Hi everyone, checked in briefly in the first thread and I'm now nearly 5 wks into eating at Maintenance, hoping to reset.

I'm having a wobble as I have put on 6lbs and my clothes are feeling rather too snug for my liking sad. I know this is expected and had initially planned to reset for 8 weeks before cutting 15% to TDEE but thinking of cutting now as I can't bear the thought of putting more weight on.

I knew I should have SAFTFBS, seeing that 6lbs weight gain has made me doubt this woe, even though I KNOW it's the most sensible plan for the long term.

Will check in again soon with better news hopefully but good luck to everyone else EMTWL, wishing you all amazing results.

TobyLerone Mon 02-Jul-12 11:11:40

The notice-giving went really well, thanks. I just have to try to convince my boss that giving my job to my assistant, rather than getting someone else in, would be the very best plan.

I'm up for starting again today. Will fill in my breakfast on MFP right now!

quirkychick Tue 03-Jul-12 10:25:08

Morning everybody.

I have been having real trouble with the mfp android app not loading, so I uninstalled it and then couldn't re-install it. I could use the standard version and emailed them. They sent me a link with instructions through my phone settings in 5 mins! Really good service.

I have tried making a protein porridge, like the fridge porridge but with half the oats and a scoop of impact. Yum, today's was raspberry, redcurrent & almond.

Hope you are all well today.

bunjies Tue 03-Jul-12 12:46:24

That's a really good idea quirky. I am looking for ways to increase my protein intake and that sounds like it would be ideal. Made my own protein bars yesterday as well as I'm too stingy to buy them and they're full of other crap anyway. They were delicious but next time I will bake them as i just shoved them in the freezer. They don't actually need cooking but they were too sloppy when defrosted.

So envy of you handing in your notice Tobes. Would love to be able to do that.

quirkychick Tue 03-Jul-12 14:21:53

I 'm not sure the protein porridge was quite as filling as the usual fridge porridge but that could be because I had a very busy morning with school run and moving lots of heavy furniture round as we had a piano coming today, so was quite hungry mid-morning.

Protein bars sound yummy, bunjies. I think I'm starting to get used to eating 30% protein. I thought I was already but mfp proved me wrong.

BsshBossh Tue 03-Jul-12 14:54:41

Hello all, just checking in with a question to make sure I'm on the right track.

My TDEE-cut is 1800 cals a day.
My BMR is 1600.
I burned 445 cals today which would bring me around 200 cals under my BMR.

Am I correct that I need to eat 1800 + 200 today?

Thanks smile

BsshBossh Tue 03-Jul-12 14:55:22

* burned 445 cals swimming

TobyLerone Tue 03-Jul-12 15:13:00

No, you need to eat to your BMR. So if your net is 1400 after the swimming, eat another 200 until you're at BMR.

BsshBossh Tue 03-Jul-12 19:44:10

Thanks. So that's ice cream after dinner tonight smile Haven't had any in days.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 03-Jul-12 19:50:25

Hello Bsssh smile

I have fallen off the wagon a bit in terms of logging, but a lot of the good habits have stuck - fridge porridge, nuts, less carbs in the evening, no cake. And I am shredding 5 times a week. Just need to remind myself that it hasn't all gone wrong just because I am not writing it down!

TobyLerone Tue 03-Jul-12 21:55:29

Isn't it odd that so many of us have stopped logging religiously at the same time?

BsshBossh Tue 03-Jul-12 22:08:42

Do you think that it's because you are beginning to better estimate your total required calories by yourself now, by experience and/how your stomach feels?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 03-Jul-12 23:11:50

Bssh I don't know really. Out of curiosity I actually weighed my portions at dinner, after I had served them out, and my dinner was 500 calories. I know for a fact that a couple of years ago it would have been 8-900 quite easily. That really pleases me, because it shows that the lessons are going in, there isn't going to be some kind of awful backslide once I stop focusing, because things are becoming ingrained and I have new habits.
I think a lot of my better grip on portion size has come from using Paul McKenna, and for me personally the point of this thread (EMTWL) is to add in the nutritional side of things, and to focus on exercise more.

Toby I have two thoughts - one that it is the standard 'diet' response which is that the novelty has worn off a bit, and two that because we aren't trying to stick to some ridiculously low calorie allowance there isn't that feeling of needing to know if you've got 50 calories left to eat!

knitknack Wed 04-Jul-12 06:49:23

I'm still logging - but I'm not eating sugar or carbs so I have to to make sure I eat enough!! Interestingly have noticed that I only lose weight on the days when I DO eat enough - so TDE -15% - if I stick at around 14-1500 calories (it's sometimes really hard to eat more) I stay the same or go up. I know we're meant to be staying off the scales but I'm now at the point where I don't really want to lose any more so I'm keeping an eye so that I can put my cals up again soon (I'll have to drink cream, or eat butter or something)...

Just thought that was worth throwing out there - eat enough!! I feel SO good, am never hungry and am still working really hard - by this point I'm usually dragging myself towards the summer hols. even if last night I did dream about cake

quirkychick Wed 04-Jul-12 07:29:02

Well done, knitknack!

I agree it is hard to eat enough. I have massively reduced carbs/sugar but not having none. I am tracking to eat enough protein. I find the fat misleading, as it can log it all as saturated when, for instance, I have eaten loads of oily fish and nuts!

I also like logging my food/exercise, it's something I've done for a while. <sad food geek>

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Wed 04-Jul-12 07:55:02

I've slacked a bit with the logging as well. I still don't trust the macro calculations; it baffles me that I can exceed my protein goal on the daily summary, and come in supposedly under target for carbs, but the pie chart thing is always carb-heavy.
DH is much better at maths than me, and he agrees it's crap as well.

No weight loss to report yet, but I'm still eating to TDEE, so I'm hoping that's re-setting my metabolism and any loss will be long term. I'm too old to risk putting it all back on!

I'm still logging. I've been trying to get used to using the fitbit too. I get a bit confused with the extra calories it thinks I've earnt, usually end up using my calculator to figure it out. blush

I had a bad day yesterday food wise. Was out all day, slow cooker dinner burnt, got home late, so we had pizza, and wine, and chocolate. sad This morning I felt realy sluggish again, so I have shredded and am going to damn well be healthy today!

bunjies protein bars sound good, what did you put in them? smile

CakesnKids Wed 04-Jul-12 09:01:58

Hi all have name changed and not been around for about 2 weeks. I've not been logging but trying to eat healthy. I've not lost any weight, not lost inches from my hips but have lost inches from my back and stomach, i was fitted for a new bra at the weekend and am a 30ff, ive lost 6inches intotal from my waist and am very happy about that!

Now my ct scan has come back clear and I'm no longer feeling stressed all the time so not stress eating I want to join in again!

Ive not had breakfast so far so will start today i think!

TobyLerone Wed 04-Jul-12 09:30:22

I have two thoughts - one that it is the standard 'diet' response which is that the novelty has worn off a bit, and two that because we aren't trying to stick to some ridiculously low calorie allowance there isn't that feeling of needing to know if you've got 50 calories left to eat!

I think this is exactly it. And also that I'm better able to keep a rough count in my head, knowing the approximate calorie value of most things I eat on a regular basis.

Welcome back CakesnKids, I'm so glad your scan results were good.

And 6 inches? Wow! shock <waves pom poms like a loon> Well done, that's amazing! smile

Notanexcitingname Wed 04-Jul-12 11:37:17

Wow, 6 inches is seriously impressive. I'm still logging, I think because I've not been going as long as some of you, but also because I'm rubbish at estimating my required intake. I'm grazing most of the afternoon as I'm hungry, then still having to eat a bowl of icecream in the evening to get me up to calories. Need to plan better to even out the intake. I need ideas for more protein, but I can't face protein powder, which really isn'[t my thing. I might try cottage cheese. There's only so many prawns the household budget will stand, and that's assuming I can hide them from the ravening hordes.

TobyLerone Wed 04-Jul-12 11:39:47

Wow, 6 inches is seriously impressive.

<snurk>

Not in my world it isn't grin

CakesnKids Wed 04-Jul-12 12:58:25

grin Toby.

Notan I may have had some help in that I started when dd2 was 3 months old so was still shrinking. But its helped and I am a real convert (although I'm not paying too much attention to macros)

knitknack Wed 04-Jul-12 13:13:37

Cakes - that's brilliant news!! smile congrats

UnicornRainbowLove Wed 04-Jul-12 13:51:17

Hey cakes - that is an amazing result.

Hope everyone is doing OK, I'm still dying of this fucking chest infection.

CBA to nc back.

quirkychick Wed 04-Jul-12 16:11:28

Oh unicorn/shirl that's grim. I had chest infection just before I started this. Are you on abs and getting plenty of rest? <stern face>

quirkychick Wed 04-Jul-12 16:12:14

Ah posted too quickly... cakes that's fantastic news.

UnicornRainbowLove Wed 04-Jul-12 16:30:29

Yep, on the anti-b's and not going to the gym <grits teeth>

Not been for a fortnight now and I HATE NOT GOING SO MUCH.

I'm planning on taking the rest of this week off and then going back next week and starting slowly. It's really dragging on. sad

Notanexcitingname Wed 04-Jul-12 16:31:49

<snurk> back at ya, Toby. I really should have previewed that one, shouldn't I!

quirkychick Wed 04-Jul-12 21:30:34

shirleyunicorn you are right to feel grim. If it's any consolation, I have spent the first part of the year sharing dd2's infections from pre-school. I had 4 (yes, 4!) mega bouts of tonsilitis and more recently chest infection with abs and steroids - another asthmatic, here. Rest up and eat lots of nutritious food to make you well.

We have just been to see the olympic torch relay. Very busy and hot but exciting for the dds.

ShirleyKnot Thu 05-Jul-12 09:36:44

Good Morning everyone.

Oh God, I've been up half the night in terrible pain, I think I've pulled a muscle in my back from all the coughing but I'm going to the GP just to check it's nothing more sinister. I'm so fed up. I'm worried he's going to put me on the dreaded steroids which just do horrible, horrible things to me. sad

Anyway, I've dropped down to my BMR as I just am not doing anything at all ATM as I feel too ill, just in case anyones looking at my MFP diary and wondering what's going on.