12 week old trying to walk - product advice

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Insomnimummy Mon 10-Mar-14 11:37:45

My DD is almost 12 weeks old and has been demanding to be held upright so she can walk with our support. She has been doing this for the last 4/5 weeks and now cries if we do not help her.

I'm very proud of how fast she is developing, but its exhausting and painful spending most of the day hunched over someone whos under 2ft, helping them walk!
I have been seraching for products to help my DD develop her muscles and practise walking, such as door bouncers and walkers. However I can't find any that are suitable for a 3 month old, they all appear to start at 6 months.
Does anyone know if and where I can get a baby walker for a 3month old? At this rate by the time she reaches 6 months she will no longer need one!

Raxacoricofallapatorius Mon 10-Mar-14 11:40:26

How does she behave when lying down? Does she seem in discomfort?

They develop their muscles by rolling/kicking/creeping/crawling etc.

The making walking movements when upright and on a surface is just a reflex.

I'd look at why she dislikes lying down so much. If it's medical then you can deal with that. If it's a frustration thing, I'd get a sling.

Gerty1002 Mon 10-Mar-14 11:43:35

Could she maybe have reflux or silent reflux? My DS always hated lying on his back and still does at 6mo, but we didn't realise he had reflux until he was 3mo as he wasn't a projectile vomiter.

HolidayCriminal Mon 10-Mar-14 11:45:27

door bouncer, no?

Gerty1002 Mon 10-Mar-14 11:45:39

Also I think that's too young to allow her to put weight on her legs for risk of them becoming bowed, hence why most walkers etc start at 6 months. A jumperoo would probably be your best bet once her head is held steady. It was a godsend for our 98th centile baby as he was too heavy for my broken body to carry all day!

kalidasa Mon 10-Mar-14 11:52:59

Yes we tried the jumperoo around this age, though DS didn't really use it for a while longer. Of my NCT group, the baby who was most like this very early on - insistent on 'standing', wanted to be upright etc - did have a lot of problems with reflux etc. If it's wanting not-to-be-flat as much as wanting-to-be-standing, perhaps even a bouncy chair at the steepest angle it can do might help?

HolidayCriminal Mon 10-Mar-14 11:54:21

That Jumperoo thing looks perfect.
I'm pretty sure that's a myth about bowed legs, but they need to be able to push & "stand" only to their comfort. Most walkers are too small ime, baby's legs wouldn't touch the floor.

Ds could stand completely if I lightly held his hands for balance (cue HVs saying "Ten week old babies shouldn't be able to DO that!")

Purplelooby Mon 10-Mar-14 11:57:16

My DS did this and then didn't walk until 13 months!! As posters above have suggested, reflux was partly to blame and a very independent character, we were literally never able to lie him on his back to play, but once he could sit up (anout 4.5 months) it was better. I would be wary of those toys as they can cause hip problems and also she needs to develop other strengths in her trunk before trying to walk. We went for the jumperoo once he was 5 months + and limited his time in it.

Goblinchild Mon 10-Mar-14 12:56:39

Take her swimming in a baby ring. Then she can practise walking whilst supported, to avoid damage to developing limbs.
Have you talked to anyone at your clinic, or your HV?

Insomnimummy Mon 10-Mar-14 13:23:05

Afraid she doesn't have reflux, and its not that shes uncomfortable lying down. She'll spend up to half an hour lying on her playmat grabbing at things and turning over.

The walking reflex disappears at around 6 weeks but she only started trying to walk at 7/8 weeks. She can support her own weight, she just lacks balance. It seems to be a family trait to walk early - both my sister and I were walking completely unaided by 9 months.
And its not just the walking, shes developing fast in all areas, she already has 3 teeth coming through and can hold her own bottle for a feed.
We have a door bouncer but the top of the harness comes up to her chin which is no good. All the walkers wouldn't allow her feet to touch the floor which is what she wants.

Thanks Holiday Criminal, its nice to know I'm not the only one with a LO determined to do it all now, and who doesn't seem to care what they 'should' be doing. smile

Insomnimummy Mon 10-Mar-14 13:30:40

Goblinchild - swimming is a good idea. We are waiting for a place at our local pool.

I'll see if I can talk to the HV at the local childrens centre as I don't have one any more (we get just two visits before the 6 week check and thats it).

Goblinchild Mon 10-Mar-14 13:58:42

'waiting for a place'?
Can't you just go to the pool as a mum and baby and play?

Insomnimummy Mon 10-Mar-14 19:59:25

No the one near us requires you to be booked in on their baby swimming course to use the pool hmm

ikeaismylocal Mon 10-Mar-14 20:09:27

My ds used a door bouncer from about 3 months but he was very very strong, he held his head up from birth and could sit unaided at 15 weeks. A few people thought it was too early but he really was strong enough and needed the extra stimulation.

Try rolling up some cloth and putting it under her bum if she is too smal physically for the bouncer.

I think it is important to encourage babies to work through the milestones in order, rolling/sitting and crawling are important for core stregnth and co-ordination.

Martorana Mon 10-Mar-14 20:13:01

Are you sure about the swimming pool? If you just turn up with a baby do they stop you going in?

TheGreatHunt Mon 10-Mar-14 20:19:26

My ds walked at 9 months but no way was he walking aided at that age. Maybe after half an hour lying down your baby is tired or bored - half an hour is a long time for a baby. Mine would never last that long and they spent a lot of time on the floor.

quietlysuggests Mon 10-Mar-14 20:27:39

Why not just pop your baby into a sling and walk around with her strapped to you all day.
She really is not trying to walk herself, shes just wriggling about because she is bored and wants to be on the move.

ExBrightonBell Mon 10-Mar-14 21:25:10

I agree with ikeaismylocal - I do think it's important that babies go through the relevant stages rather than trying to skip ahead. Rolling, tummy time, sitting up etc should all come before encouraging walking.

I also had a baby that wanted to be upright practically from birth. It definitely stemmed from wanting to see everything and join in, and not wanting to be bored. It got very tiring to hold him up like that, but I found ways to hold him that weren't so uncomfy. When he was old enough to go in a Jumperoo it was brilliant! He didn't like the door bouncer, although probably because the only door we could fix it to was in a boring part of the house!

JuniperHeartwand Mon 10-Mar-14 22:12:08

9 reasons not to walk babies, worth a read OP: www.janetlansbury.com/2011/03/9-reasons-not-to-walk-babies/

A door bouncer would be a good idea at such a young age, go for it.

Bedsheets4knickers Mon 10-Mar-14 23:32:44

My son was absolutely determined to stand from very young. I always remember my mum exclaiming. " he's just stood up" when she was holding him on her lap. He walked at 10 months but had stood for ages . Maybe 4 months on our laps 6 months against the sofa . We had a very sturdy baby walker that we stuffed a blanket down the back to give him some extra neck support x

NinjaLeprechaun Tue 11-Mar-14 06:14:39

When my daughter was about 3 months she stopped bending in the middle - she simply refused to be sat anywhere. She pulled herself to standing just after she turned 4 months (I watched her do it, have photographic evidence, and people still tell me it's impossible...) but, like yours, she didn't have the balance.

After checking with her pediatrician, I started putting her in a walker with a small blanket helping to keep her propped up. She couldn't quite touch the ground at first, which meant (best of both worlds) she stayed where she was put but was still happy because she was 'standing' upright. Essentially I was using it as an alternative to a baby-seat or swing, rather than as a learn-to-walk aid. She started walking at 15 months, exactly average for babies in my family, so I don't think it delayed anything at all. Mind, this was eighteen years ago, so I was probably risking her life and development horrifically, the way I did by starting weaning at 4 months.
The doctor did tell me that she had seen 'shaken baby' type injuries from putting too young babies in door bouncers, because their neck muscles weren't developed enough for it yet. So, obviously, she didn't recommend that.

LilllyLovesLife Tue 11-Mar-14 11:49:42

Any normal swimming pool will let you take baby in to the normal pool! The waiting list will be for if you want to do lessons.

Insomnimummy Tue 11-Mar-14 16:47:35

Yeah - the pool is at a school so you have to have an appointment to go in.

Insomnimummy Tue 11-Mar-14 16:48:54

Sorry the above was a reply to Matorana

Insomnimummy Tue 11-Mar-14 16:55:37

Thanks for the support NinjaLeprechaun thanks

I'm going to drop into the child health clinicon monday to check everything is ok with DD, and make sure we cancarry on 'walking'. I hope so because when shes in the mood to do it nothing else will do!

QOD Tue 11-Mar-14 16:56:04

Dd just stood up, jumping bat really, you've made a bit of a rod for your own back letting her stand n the floor, we just let her leap around on our laps/legs
She hated being cradled like the baby she was!

LilllyLovesLife Wed 12-Mar-14 19:35:32

can you not just go to a normal pool that's not in a school? confused

FabBakerGirl Wed 12-Mar-14 19:52:09

A 12 week old trying to walk?

Blimey.

furlinedsheepskinjacket Wed 12-Mar-14 19:59:08

oh I remember this with dd - she stood in my lap for months on end

didn't walk or crawl especially early though

SimLondon Wed 12-Mar-14 20:28:47

tummy time

HanSolo Wed 12-Mar-14 20:58:19

It's really, really important that babies do not skip the crawling phase- it's a major part of their development, so encourage them to sit, to lie on their tummies, put toys just out of reach, so they'll roll, shift over to them etc.

It affects another part of their development later, but I cannot remember which (I think it is speech and language).

Frusso Wed 12-Mar-14 21:02:04

Some babies just don't crawl though hansolo my dd1 didn't crawl. Went from sat to walking. (early talker too)

FannyFifer Wed 12-Mar-14 21:04:36

I assume this is your first baby?

Are you honestly going around bent over to support a 12 week old "walking"?

Your baby is 12 weeks old & honestly,really really not trying to walk.

Martorana Wed 12-Mar-14 21:06:18

There used to be a theory- I don't know whether it's still around- my children are past that age- that crawling was important for developing the skills necessary for writing. There were some experiments that seemed to show that making older kids crawl, doing assault course type things for example, made a huge difference to the ones that found the physical act of writing difficult. It could all have been bollocks, obviously. But interesting.

ameliarose2012 Wed 12-Mar-14 21:19:35

I work in a school, and they did some training based around this while I was pregnant. They say it can link with dyslexia and dyspraxia if babies don't crawl. I tried everything to get my DD to, but she was having none of the rolling/ crawling malarkey. Just went from sitting to walking. Never even pulled herself up! The hype seems to have died down now, and it has almost been forgotten, so surely it can't be that big of a deal?

furlinedsheepskinjacket Wed 12-Mar-14 21:22:24

neither of mine really bothered crawling

both fine

LucyBabs Wed 12-Mar-14 21:30:19

The study regarding crawling didn't find children who didn't crawl had problems just that it is important that children CAN crawl.
Something to do with using both sides of the brain to develop speech and language skills.

Fozzleyplum Wed 12-Mar-14 21:51:08

The crawling/development point is interesting and I'd never heard about this before.

DS2 hardly crawled at all - and certainly not when anyone was looking. He'd sit quite happily on the floor, and only occasionally "teleport" to the other side of the room when we weren't looking, eg if we went out of the room for a few seconds. He was also not particularly quick to walk.

Developmentally, he was a self-taught, phenomenally early reader. 2 or 3 months before his 3rd birthday, we and the staff at his nursery used to catch him reading out loud from quite complex material that he'd not seen before (eg packets and flyers as well as books). However, the mechanics of his writing were (and still are) very poor, although the content of his work has always been very impressive. I wonder whether there's some connection with the non-crawling?

RubyrooUK Wed 12-Mar-14 21:51:49

Can your baby sit up OP? My DS1 was always pushing himself to standing as a young baby and bouncing his legs. He could "walk" in the way that you describe.

He learnt to sit unaided at 14 weeks and that really pleased him as he could reach for toys and control his own movement much more. Then he stopped being so obsessed by standing.

He was a champion crawler but despite loving to be upright and cruising from 7mo, he didn't walk confidently till 13mo.

HanSolo Wed 12-Mar-14 22:03:10

frusso- I know- my eldest did not crawl at all nor pull herself up to standing. She spoke late too. (I probably shouldn't be allowed on MN! wink)

Early walkers also struggle to understand that they can't just walk into things IME- the ones I know that walked prodigiously early (7mo, and 7.5mo) were both constantly covered in bruises from where they walked into walls etc.

Frusso Wed 12-Mar-14 22:27:13

It's interesting hansolo my dcs don't fit the moulds at all.
Dc3 is my 1st one to crawl.

My dd2 a very late walker developmental delay so probably doesnt count was always covered in bruises and walking into things.
I think some dcs have better spatial awareness than others.

Isn't there something about the ability to do jigsaws and either sentence structure or phonics?
Certain sections of the brain isn't it.

Insomnimummy Thu 13-Mar-14 11:52:53

Let me reassure those of you who are assuming I'm forcing DD to do laps of the living room, that its not the case.
We spend lots of time with her laying on her playmat grabbing her toys. We also do tummy time at least 3 times a day with me down on the floor crawling slowly next to her to show her what to do. We spend time talking, singing, reading books, doing baby massage, going out for walks etc. I'm very conscious about helping her develop 'normally'.
But let me also reassure you that she IS WALKING and not just having an automatic reaction to being held upright - I am not supporting her weight when we do this, she is.

RubyrooUK - no she can sit up unaided yet, although she is enjoying being propped up in this position and is getting stronger every day.

thanks Frusso, HanSolo, ameliarose2012 - Thank you for not making me feel like I'm failing at being a mum in some way. I'd been starting to get paranoid sad.

I have decided I am going to get a walker for DD. Even though she won't be able to move around in it yet, she can at least enjoy being upright and playing with the toys. smile

FabBakerGirl Thu 13-Mar-14 14:41:48

"crawling slowly next to her to show her what to do"

grin She really isn't looking at you thinking I need to copy mummy.

ExBrightonBell Thu 13-Mar-14 14:52:42

I wouldn't get a walker. They are not safe and can hinder normal progress towards walking (eg see this article, or this from Which, or this).

IdaClair Thu 13-Mar-14 14:59:09

I have a photo of 11 week old dd, just into 0-3 month clothes, standing next to me holding onto one of my hands, otherwise supporting herself entirely.

I believe your baby enjoys being upright.

What I think it is important to note though is that your dd will develop normally without products, and without you worrying about it quite so much. Babies are designed to develop whilst being held close to an adult and part of an adults everyday life. Most of that will be upright, so babies get good at that and joining in. Hold her close to you, in your arms or get a good carrier, and go about your everyday life - she will be held upright as she likes, develop the same as when doing your tummy time sessions, and learn more from your face and everyday activities than wpshe will from a million Lamaze toys, baby classes or baby walkers.

lonnika Thu 13-Mar-14 15:02:14

OMG - I don't thnk you are being a failure of a mum - just trying to support Dd which is perfectly natural. Please talk to HV before purchasing walker though.

JuniperHeartwand Thu 13-Mar-14 15:02:27

OP - did you read the article I linked about 9 reasons not to walk babies? She needs to learn how to do it herself without support otherwise she won't learn how to balance, for starters.

Bollocks. Whose ever heard of kids in walkers not walking.
If the kids don't walk it's for reasons other than bloody walkers.

Now, it can encourage tip toe walking. That is actually an issue.

honeybunny14 Thu 13-Mar-14 17:33:54

Ds 2 always wanted to stand from a few weeks old he started walking at 9 months much earlier than ds1.

FabBakerGirl Thu 13-Mar-14 17:38:38

If you do buy a walker, please don't use it upstairs.

girliefriend Thu 13-Mar-14 17:41:46

'I am not supporting her weight when we do this - she is'

This worries me a bit, aren't her bones too soft to be supporting her weight? She is 12 weeks old, if you are getting back ache holding her up then don't do it!!

birdybear Thu 13-Mar-14 17:44:11

Why don't you go to a public pool, rather than a school one?

Frusso Thu 13-Mar-14 17:57:21

I had a walker for both my dd1 (walked unaided at 10mths) and ds (currently cruising and standing unaided) obviously you don't use them once the child can walk unaided, but personally I think they're a godsend if you have a child that wants to be upright all the time.
I think some dcs want to be big and doing what older family do, and some dcs are happy to sit/lie back and watch and take their time. And neither is wrong as they're still within parameters, and they all end up at the same place anyway.
(disclaimer - excluding children with additional needs and/or developmental delays etc from my generalisation)

Martorana Thu 13-Mar-14 17:57:24

She really really shouldn't b supporting her own weight at 12 weeks- her hips and knees and ankles aren't ready for it yet.

Insomnimummy Thu 13-Mar-14 18:39:56

The public pool is a drive away whereas I can walk to the school pool, and the public pool is 6 times the cost to use! Anyway we have a place at the school pool in 2 weeks time smile.

Like I said I am going to see the HV at the next drop in clinic (mon), and I'll hold off on the walker until I've spoken to them.

As for the shoulds and shouldn'ts, I say balls to that! Kids developed fine before we had a million 'experts' picking apart every single thing we do.
My DD shows no sign that anything is wrong. And whats the difference between letting her support her own weight whilst jumping around on my lap (which the majority seem to think is ok) and letting her take steps on a surface (which the majority think is insane - balls to that also smile).

FannyFifer Thu 13-Mar-14 18:43:23

You will totally look back on these posts in about a year & be morto.

Insomnimummy Thu 13-Mar-14 18:50:15

You know what - I came onto this site to get support and friendly advice from other parents. And instead for the most part I get picked apart by a bunch of harpies.

Thanks for the solidarity mumsnet!

Perhaps some of you should look back on your posts and question why you find it necessary to drag others down. Its a shitty way to make you feel better about yourselves.

For those of you who were kind - thank you, its a shame there aren't more of you here sad.

I'm off to a website for dads - all the advice and none of the bitchyness grin

furlinedsheepskinjacket Thu 13-Mar-14 18:55:09

just ignore the nasties op

ExBrightonBell Thu 13-Mar-14 18:56:10

Ah, don't flounce OP. It's the internet, anyone can post anything. The trick is to not take it personally, and ignore anything you don't like. (Or report it if it breaks the rules of course).

TheCountessOlenska Thu 13-Mar-14 19:43:54

Lol @ Fannyfifer. This may be the greatest pfb thread I have ever read grin
"crawling slowly next to her" grin grin grin
oh come on OP it is a bit funny!

LtEveDallas Thu 13-Mar-14 19:48:31

You know what - I came onto this site to get support and friendly advice from other parents. And instead for the most part I get picked apart by a bunch of harpies

Doesn't it make you wonder why people have reacted the way they have? Especially people with their own babies, or those that have had more than one child. Have you considered at all that maybe you are mistaken about your child's behaviour?

Layl77 Thu 13-Mar-14 20:00:56

Let me guess first baby?
It's quite normal all mine have done this too, two of them were walking at 9months. Holding bottle and teeth I don't see the correlation or development link? Products aren't going to help as you will naturally take her weight or stop when she starts to wiggle to one side but they for and are not natura for babies to be in. Sling or your arms are best.

CecilyP Thu 13-Mar-14 20:18:46

'I am not supporting her weight when we do this - she is'

Only one way to find out if that is true and that is to let go, but I wouldn't recommend trying it as you already know what the answer is. It is natural to think your baby is special but no baby is so exceptional that they stand or walk at 3 months. As my friend's mum when DS was that age, 'they like to feel their feet', and that is all your DD is doing.

While some people are totally against walkers, others think they are fine, but there are sound physiological reasons why they are not recommended for babies under 6 months. There are other products like door bouncers that can be used for younger babies.

Tweasels Thu 13-Mar-14 20:26:04

This has gave me a chuckle.

Oh OP don't go off in a huff. You've had good advice here, the best being to stop trying to encorage your baby to walk. She can't even sit up FFS, think about the logic there.

Chill out, enjoy your baby, get over yourself.

girliefriend Thu 13-Mar-14 22:08:17

I don't feel better about myself hmm just worried about your pfb having bandy legs that's all - sorry and all that hmm

NAR4 Fri 14-Mar-14 09:05:02

Congratulations on having such a clever little baby.

You are clearly putting a lot of time and effort into helping her develop new skills. I wonder if you are putting too much pressure on yourself to help your dd progress though. I have 5dc who have all been early developers, but never put inthe time and effort you are discribing. For example, my 5th dc was carried around in a baby sling most of the time because he cried when I put him down and I had too much to get done (cooking, housework etc.) To hold him all the time. He still (much to everyones amazement) started walking around unaided and unsupported at 7 months.

Personally think equipment such as door bouncers, walker, jumperoos etc are expensive, used for a very sort amount of time, take up space and do little to aid development. They do however give parents a welcome break, because little ones find them entertaining. Only you know if you have the space and money, but please don't have unrealistic expectations of these pieces of equipment.

You're doing a great job but your dd will still meet all her milestones without the effort on your behalf.

Glasshammer Fri 14-Mar-14 18:45:02

Sounds like a nightmare. Walkers etc are 6 months plus for a good reason.

bigTillyMint Fri 14-Mar-14 18:50:16

DD(14) was like this! She would hold herself ridged up straight when you held her on your knee. She only crawled for about 2 weeks, but she was walking unaided by 10mths.

We did have one of those bouncer things you hang in a doorway from 3mths, and then she had my friends 30odd year old baby brick trolley from about 6mths.

Sleepyfergus Fri 14-Mar-14 19:22:09

"Congratulations on having such a clever little baby"

This is exactly what the OP came on to hear

FFS, if babies were supposed to walk at 3 months old, we'd be overrun with them. A child of that age is NOT supposed to walk. It's a reflex action you are misinterpreting. Sure, she might want to be upright to see what's going on, but she isn't trying to walk. Fact.

Why are people on such a rush to turn their babies into doing things these days. It's not a competition. Jut enjoy your baby and take each day as it comes. Believe me, you'll be thankful for the stationary periods when you have to have eyes in the back of your head to keep track of them.

lonnika Fri 14-Mar-14 20:19:27

I think that is rude and unnecessary Sleepyfergus at what point has the op said she wanted to hear that her baby was clever? She has said she wants to support her child's development - what is wrong in that !!

littleducks Fri 14-Mar-14 20:29:23

I think I spent time demonstrating how to crawl to my pfb dd smile. In fact I remember my mums voice going a but funny when I hold her about on the phone.

I got (by then a toddler) dd to demonstrate to baby ds while I popped to the loo or drank tea wink. He was stubborn, ignored her and became an excellent bottom shuffler instead (used to fly across the room, using one hand to propel himself like a chimpanzee and the urge to push along a toy car).

BertieBotts Fri 14-Mar-14 20:42:16

DS did this as well. Don't take any notice OP smile He was cruising at 8 months, exactly 2 days after he started to crawl.

It's likely that her legs are strong enough to kick up and pretty much support the weight of her upper body, but of course she wouldn't have the co-ordination or balance to actually walk yet.

A bouncer - either a door bouncer or jumperoo type one is a great idea as long as she can hold up her head, DS loved his, he'd kick away for ages. You might have to put a couple of yellow pages down so that she can reach the floor. He also liked being in a sling as he could look around at the world but I could never "froggy" his legs, they had to be out right from newborn as he was kicking them out and stretching the fabric, as though he was trying to stand up. It IS a reflex, even though they are quite strong. They don't know what they're doing, they just know that it feels nice to push against something rather than just kicking into the air.

One of the piano things that sticks to a wall or the end of the cot that they kick might be good too.

I think some posters are being a bit mean. It's nice to be excited and possibly a little overboard with your PFB! I do agree that actually encouraging them to walk is a bit unnecessary and products like baby walkers can be harmful, but if the baby likes kicking and pushing with their legs, IMO, there's no harm in letting them have something solid to kick against. It would be worse to avoid something that makes her happy just for the sake of "ooh you shouldn't be doing this yet!"

BertieBotts Fri 14-Mar-14 20:43:26

I think the bandy legs thing has been disproved BTW.

LittleBearPad Sat 15-Mar-14 14:14:25

Give your baby a break and let them do their own thing when they can.

UniS Sat 22-Mar-14 16:51:48

D's was a stander. He would cheerfully stand and lean on me or the sofa well before 6 months. he liked bouncer time and standing in a walker . crawled at 9 months.walked at 14 months.

Purplelooby Mon 24-Mar-14 14:43:57

(At risk of being called a Banshee...) it's not the bandy legs that is the problem, it's the hip thing.

My parents used to walk my DS along the floor (holding his waist or whatever) at 3.5 months and I was FURIOUS at them for it. It made my life more difficult because all he wanted to do was stand up on my knee yet he couldn't roll over or sit up so I spent my time making him lie down under a toy or do tummy time. He say up at 4.5 months and then got bored of trying to walk. Thing is, babies don't know what's best for them!

naty1 Mon 24-Mar-14 19:10:51

Mine would stand up a lot. If you keep doing it the automatic stepping reflex will continue..
I would focus on the sitting up as its unlikely they would be able to walk before then , as you need to be able to balance your top half before walking generally(thats why sitting is from 6m and walking from around 12).

Just because they do something like crawling, cruising and sitting early doesnt guarantee walking early as it is very different, down to confidence unlike the others.
Mine sat at 5.5
Crawled and cruised at 8
Walked at 13m
She just couldnt see the point
We got her shoes the week after her birthday and she took some steps in park after a cat.

Clearly kids shouldnt be put in walkers for ages when they are much too young. But they do develop at different rates.

Sneezecakesmum Mon 24-Mar-14 19:53:02

Physiotherapist do not recommend any type of 'walking' toy for any child and they are quite sniffy about jumperoos!

Babies need floor play and tummy time to build the right muscle groups for eventual walking. Those motor milestones (crawling, sitting etc) are needed to achieve walking.

My daughter also walked unaided at 9 months and never had door bouncers, walkers or jumperoos!

BertieBotts Mon 24-Mar-14 23:36:27

Huh? What's the hip thing? I'm not sure I've heard that before. Can you explain?

Purplelooby Mon 24-Mar-14 23:43:04

Sure hon, there's been some links made between things like walkers and hip dysplasia. I'm not sure how proven they are but it out next off! I'll try to find some websites when I'm on the comp tomorrow but I know that's why they recommend only using them for a limited amount of time. I got DS a jumperoo at about 5 months but I was very strict about how often he was allowed in it.

Purplelooby Mon 24-Mar-14 23:43:47

Stupid phone! *put me right off

Purplelooby Mon 24-Mar-14 23:47:00

Something in my memory seems to think there was a link to toe walking as well. Hmm it's been a while!

ExcuseTypos Tue 25-Mar-14 00:11:05

My DDs are 23 and 20 when baby walkers where very common. And Tummy TIme never existed!
Both my DDs developed differently in ways which would be frowned upon today, but both have developed without any problems

Dd1 hated lying down. She sat at 5 months but refused to crawl. She howled if she was put on her tummy. She had a walker from 6 months and started walking at 12 mths.

Dd2 on the other hand loved being on her tummy. She rolled her way around the room at 5 months and caused havoc she hated the baby walker, never crawled and walked unaided at 9 months.
You can try all you like to make babies follow the advice of the time, but a lot of babies have their own ideas!

BertieBotts Tue 25-Mar-14 00:19:39

Oh I see! Yes sorry. I've definitely heard it about walkers, also jumperoos, front pack slings, and door bouncers. I really don't think that holding them up to let them kick against the floor is the same thing though. It's about them being dangled by the crotch and the legs hanging. You can reduce the risk by limiting time spent in those kinds of toys (I don't like walkers anyway, too dangerous to give them more motion/speed than they can actually handle)

Toe walking is an issue with walkers if their legs are too short to reach the floor with flat feet, because it encourages them to walk in the tip toe position. It's thought that this may be an issue with bouncers and jumperoos but not certain - advice again is to make sure they can reach the floor with flat feet rather than just with tiptoes.

My personal view (am not a physio) is that walkers are probably more harmful as they're offering something unnatural, because the body's weight is being held up and the momentum is being done by legs which aren't actually strong enough to walk and hold up weight. This is totally different to actually walking which they will do later because that is more about weight bearing - if you tried to walk by pushing along at the floor with your feet you'd fall over, what we actually do is balance on one leg and then transfer our body weight to be centred on the other before moving the first leg, and repeat so quickly we never think about it.

However, door bouncers and jumperoos are only offering the kind of thing that babies/parents do naturally with minimal support, being held roughly in one place while they kick against a firm surface. They're still problematic for hips because they hold the legs in a position which is unnatural later on but I think they can have good points as well, unlike walkers which the only good point seems to be "the baby has fun and it looks cute".

BertieBotts Tue 25-Mar-14 00:20:34

I don't see how babies developing would be frowned upon confused Crawling isn't a developmental stage anyway, many babies never crawl.

kilmuir Tue 25-Mar-14 00:33:44

Not sure how a 12 week old demands to be 'walked'. You are the adult!

TheFantasticFixit Tue 25-Mar-14 00:49:07

Goodness OP, your day sounds bloody exhausting with all the activities you have planned.

I think I did very little with my DD at 12 weeks other than a bit of 'tummy time' whilst I drank ANOTHER coffee to get through the morning..blush

HandsOffMyGazBaz Tue 25-Mar-14 01:01:35

What in th blue fuck is tummy time. What lentil weaver invented that shit?

LittleBearPad Tue 25-Mar-14 07:36:32

Tummy time is putting a baby on their front. Nothing more complicated but necessary these days because babies are put to sleep on their backs because of SIDS.

It isn't lentil weavery and is advised by medical professionals.

Purplelooby Tue 25-Mar-14 12:23:41

You mean WHICH lentil weaver sigh. Slight over reaction - it was created because primary school age children who slept on their backs as babies didn't develop physical skills as well as the previous generation of tummy sleepers. Solution: get them to spend a bit of time each day on their tummy. HTH.

Sneezecakesmum Tue 25-Mar-14 13:28:29

Errr. ...... Crawling is a developmental stage.

Just because all babies don't do it (most do) doesn't mean it should be made unattainable by sticking a baby into a walker!

sanam2010 Tue 25-Mar-14 13:39:26

The best you can do is buy a yoga mat and let her do lots of tummy time. And apart from that just hold her and let her push herself up. My dd2 was like that - I just did lots of tummy time and would hold her in my arms where she always tried to get up. She crawled at 5 months and walked at 7 1/2 months. But tummy time is best so she builds up all the muscles needed for crawling / sitting / walking. I would stay clear of any other products.

BertieBotts Tue 25-Mar-14 13:40:16

Why is everyone so defensive? I don't like baby walkers, I already said.

Crawling is not a developmental stage. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing or should be avoided, it just means it's not a good marker of development because some babies never do it.

If you don't get that then you're not understanding what a developmental stage is.

BertieBotts Tue 25-Mar-14 13:42:39

You won't find it in your red book and it isn't asked about by HCPs.

BrianTheMole Tue 25-Mar-14 13:53:18

hmm grin

juule Tue 25-Mar-14 13:54:03

CecilyP
'I am not supporting her weight when we do this - she is'

Only one way to find out if that is true and that is to let go, but I wouldn't recommend trying it as you already know what the answer is. It is natural to think your baby is special but no baby is so exceptional that they stand or walk at 3 months. "

I don't know why the op is being doubted when she says her dd can support her own weight when standing. Her dd could be supporting her own weight but still fall over if let go as she hasn't developed a full sense of balance yet.
I have a photo somewhere of one of mine at 3 months, standing up holding onto the seat part of a chair. She didn't attempt to move forwards and couldn't get back down but she was holding on and supporting her own weight standing.

duchesse Tue 25-Mar-14 14:04:49

DS was like your DD, and he loved the doorway bouncer from 3 m.

Babies do not get "bowed legs" from walking young, they get bowed legs from rickets as they always did, even in the 19th century where that pearl of wisdom comes from. Fortunately very few have rickets these days (although it is making a comeback!).

DS was in a walker at 5 m because he was just happy when he could walk around. Walking around holding one hand at 6 months, walked independently on the dot of 10 m. Nothing really could have stopped him. The alternative was to have him screaming all day every day.

duchesse Tue 25-Mar-14 14:07:49

And to the naysayers- there is a range of normal development and inevitably some children will fall either side of it.

Physically my DS was the size of a 6 mo at 3 mo, and had the developmental skills of a child much older virtually from birth. I didn't realise that it was unusual until my next three children were born.

duchesse Tue 25-Mar-14 14:11:16

DS never crawled despite hours spent trying to teach him. He never spent much time on his tummy because he would scream until he was blue if I did. He couldn't really roll over until he was 5 months. He was sitting unreliably at 6 months, still requiring a cushion behind. It wasn't ideal, but it was what it was.

He is now 20 and exceptionally strong. He climbs and can walk 50 miles without breaking a sweat. Always had above average body strength- people used to think he worked out when he was in his teens.

It happens.

thornrose Tue 25-Mar-14 14:11:44

I wish I'd know more about the importance of "tummy time" (bit cringy sounding!)

My dd hated being on her front and never crawled. I was reassured by HCPs and family that lots of babies never crawl and I was a bum shuffler according to mum.

DD has quite severe dyspraxia (amongst other things) and I still feel regret that I didn't encourage her more and wonder if it would've changed things. sad

Wow, leave off the OP! I believe her chipd can support it's own weight...because my ds coild at that age. However, we never helped him walk by holding his hands and walking him round but did keep him uprightost of the time. We didn't have much choice as he'd scream any other way! Woild hold him on our lap and let him take his weight with us keeping him balanced...

He stood unaided at 5 months and walked unaided at 6.5 months.

Like I said we didn't help him to walk around and in fact we also went to the physio because I was actually worried about how quickly he was progressing. Physio said no problem let hum progress at his own rate.

OP if you are tired of holding dc so much and helping try letting her stand holding sofa with you there? We also had a door bouncer so we xoild get some peace but dont think we used it till about 4 months. You know your baby and whether they have enough control of their head to do this.

Also, ds used to push a trolley round once he coild stand on his own...could you use one of them? I do think it's important for them to do most of the work on their own and as mu ds proves if they are ready to they will...hth

thornrose Tue 25-Mar-14 14:13:17

Great cross post duchesse and makes me feel better in a funny way smile

FreakoidOrganisoid Tue 25-Mar-14 14:30:26

DD was a stander too, from weeks old. She would scream if you tried to sit or lie her down, but stood up, looking around at the world she was happy. She'd push herself up with her legs if you tried to sit her, my mum had her on her lap at a picnic table, aged 6 weeks, and dd took hold of the edge of the table and pulled herself to standing. It was exhausting. DD was able to lift her head and look around the room from birth too (when on her tummy), she was just strong. Friends at baby groups were jealous that dd was "advanced" I was jealous that their babies would lie there gurgling and cooing.

There is an average rate of development that the milestones are based on, some children develop more slowly, some more quickly. If anything dd is a bit behind physically now she's 7 though so it doesn't necessarily mean anything long term.

BertieBotts Tue 25-Mar-14 15:21:02

Thorn please don't worry, dyspraxia isn't caused by lack of tummy time, it's a "mis-wiring" in the brain that just happens sometimes rather than being caused by anything.

Funnily my DS who liked to kick up and push at things with his feet from birth is now 5 and fairly un-coordinated too. He can ride a scooter and runs around constantly but isn't really interested in sports. (Neither me or DH are though which is probably more why!)

thornrose Tue 25-Mar-14 15:28:36

Thanks Bertie I know it's not the cause but I often wondered if it might've been less severe if we'd done the tummy thing.

She's 14 now anyway and most of her friends are going through a phase of hating PE too wink

BertieBotts Tue 25-Mar-14 15:35:16

I know a fair few people my age with dyspraxia and we were all put on our fronts to sleep, it's supposed to have been the back to sleep thing which lead to the need for tummy time smile

I must admit although I understand sleeping on the back is safer there is just something about a gorgeous sleepy baby all curled up on their front. I was happy when DS learnt to roll and I didn't have to put him on his back any more! I find it far cosier and more comfortable personally too. <80s baby>

Sneezecakesmum Tue 25-Mar-14 20:52:12

I wonder why that august body the CDC along with almost every official list says crawling is a milestone. Not that all babies crawl (most do) just like they don't all roll.

Nevertheless it is desirable if the baby is that way inclined because of the activation of the muscle groups needed for walking. It also encourages weight through the open hand which is a precursor to using pens and writing well.

Having read up on all this extensively, I don't really know anything of course.

Purplelooby Wed 26-Mar-14 09:25:28

I don't think the issue here is crawling (the red book does list crawling, but it has it along with bum shuffling as an and/or), it's about core strength. Babies can have very strong legs but if their core strength isn't up to it they won't walk.

OP HAS been a bit flamed and I feel for her, but reading back over all the replies, I think really people are just trying to answer the original question: how can I help her walk - work on her core strength.

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