Any SALTs about?

(27 Posts)
WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 05-May-13 15:08:46

I'm slightly perplexed about DS's language development.

He is 21.5 months and was initially quite a fast talker (had a few words and animal noises from 11 months). However, he doesn't seem to have learned many new words lately and this is his total vocabulary:

Cheese
Lid
Book
Car
Milk
Daddy
Hello
Nose
Hair
Ear
Eye
Leaf
Trousers
Chick
There
Keys
Hug
And lots of animal sounds including baa, moo, Eyore, twit twoo, tweet tweet, miaow,
quack, woof etc

A lot of these words only DH and I would understand eg ook is book!

The weird thing is that his understanding seems to be much
more advanced than his vocabulary - if I ask him to identify by pointing he can single out all numbers 1-10, about 8 shapes, 10 colours and around half the alphabet.

Should I be doing anything in particular to try to help him learn words, or will it just come naturally with time?

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 05-May-13 15:13:07

Oh and he also says egg!

lljkk Sun 05-May-13 15:18:27

Am not a SLT, but have had 2 kids with SLT & another DC who probably needed it. If those count for anything.

The weird thing is that his understanding seems to be much
more advanced than his vocabulary

This is normal, excellent even, receptive speech (listening skills) has to precede speaking skills (productive speech).

he sounds well within normal to me. I suggest just keep talking to him, try to make eye contact when you speak to him so that he can see how your mouth makes the sounds.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 05-May-13 22:17:15

Lljkk thank you so much for replying - what you say is very reassuring! It's hard not to get sucked in to listening to others talking about their same age dc already doing mini phrases of two words together and having spoken vocabularies of 80+ words.

It's a very good tip about getting him to look at me when I speak - I will definitely try that.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 06-May-13 12:55:10

Bumping!

5318008 Mon 06-May-13 13:45:39

ooh had a thought - hearing check?

there's a Caroline Bowen thingie hanging about the internet, I'll have a rootle - it's about language acquisition and is really v good. She's Australian, IIRC, so some of the advice needs transposing to what can be done here in the UK

speech-language-therapy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34:ages&catid=11:admin&Itemid=117 have a dig around, under the tab 'articles']]

5318008 Mon 06-May-13 13:46:07

aaargh link fail

try again

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 06-May-13 16:07:13

Thank you smile will go away and read.

5318008 Mon 06-May-13 16:25:54

[thumbs up]

it's a bit 'dense' with detail, but ever so good as a kind of go-to to check kind of thing

ifindoubtnamechange Tue 07-May-13 18:49:48

I am a S&L - don't work with kids though. However I did of course study child language development and have friends who work in the field.

My DD is the same age and has a similar number of words ( I think - haven't listed them). I have never had concerns. Does that help? If I was worried I'd have got out an old textbook or looked at some notes.

It is normal and necessary for comprehension to be ahead of expression.

Sound accuracy is not important at the moment - main thing is he has words for that you know what he means. Children don't acquire all the phonemes for English until about 4.5y iirc.

talk to your baby, afasic and ican websites have advice for encouraging language.

Hope that helps a bit!

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 07-May-13 19:01:18

Ifind thank you so much for that - really reassuring! I do talk to him all the time and read to him too.

It was just a funny comment someone made over the weekend that had me wondering.

ifindoubtnamechange Wed 08-May-13 18:20:32

No problem - people make lots of strange comments - don't start worrying about them!

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 08-May-13 18:31:09

Thank you smile

Hyperhelpmum Wed 08-May-13 21:03:23

I'm a paediatric SLT and would say he sounds fine. When hecsats a word yiu can add a word eg he says car yiu say tes, big car/ red car/ dirty car etc Be sure to comment and talk to him about things he is interested in, looking at etc. his understanding sounds appropriate too though for a child this young to know letters of the alphabet and numbers it sounds a bit like he has heard alot about these topics. . Great if he was starting school but at his age it might be more useful for him to experience/ talk about words he can use to communicate to others. Try talking about what people are doing in books, out and about and use natural gesture e.g. You're eating your lunch, eat eat eat - pretend to put something in your mouth, you're washing your hands, wash wash wash! Once he has action words, he can start to link more words e.g instead of egg, eat egg! Hope that helps!

Hyperhelpmum Wed 08-May-13 21:04:17

Sorry for typos I'm on my phone!

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 08-May-13 21:18:45

Hyper, that is really helpful, thank you! I'm going with the general philosophy of extending things he shows an interest in - so he was very interested in dogs, so we talked a lot about the dogs we see - how many of them, big/little, colours etc.

Recently he became very interested in counting and has been enjoying a lovely book with tactile numbers - soon I realised he could actually count so I did lots of counting with him - we counted stairs as we went up, things in books (how many chicks on that page etc).

I definitely am not in any rush for him to get into stuff that he has the whole of reception to learn. At age 5 I couldn't recognise a single letter I don't think and I read well now, so no rush!

I think the idea of emphasising action words sounds fantastic. I will try that - thank you so much.

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 08-May-13 21:21:21

Just remembered he has a really nice book where a dad and baby bear do lots of things together and there are lots of doing words eg splashing, chasing, eating and he does do little gestures for 'eating' etc!

Hyperhelpmum Wed 08-May-13 21:31:02

Fantastic! Great he likes numbers and no harm at all I him knowing these things just good to have what we call 'functional' language he can use eg to get his ideas, likes, dislikes across to others. He sounds like he will be fine! Remember to keep it simple and short 2-3 words when describing things e.g big dog running! Sounds a bit daft but they can pick up words more easily if not in a long string like can you see how fast that big dog is running? ! Sure you are doing all we would recommend! Good luck! It's so amazing to watch and soon he will be chatting away!

lljkk Thu 09-May-13 08:39:50

Oh yeah, that sounds familiar. Stress words that link together the words he already knows. Like, "dog" + "ball" can be linked with "like", "want" "chews on" "happy" etc.

gourd Thu 09-May-13 12:25:47

Snap!
OP it's not odd that understanding far exceeds language/speech skills - it sounds pretty normal but it does sound like there could be some degree of speech delay. If you are concerned, I'd advise you do something NOW - DO NOT wait till your 2 year developmental check if you are thinking of using NHS SALT. Ask your HV or GP about the possibility of a referral to SALT now, if you are goiing for NHS SALT sessions, as the waiting list is months and months. We went private in the end and have had three sessions on top of the initial assessment. Our first assessment on the NHS is not till 31 May which is nearly 6 months after initial referral so we're glad we've at least made a start earlier than thiis it is a very long process - often takes months or years to "catch up" with peers.

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 09-May-13 12:45:49

Gourd, why do you think there is speech delay?

Hyperhelpmum Thu 09-May-13 17:36:34

OP there is no way anyone can say there could be a speech sound delay when you gave one example of him calling a book an ook. Don't worry! As long as he can use a range of sounds it is perfectly normal to have speech sound errors at not even two. With his level of expressive language he has not had the opportunity to practice using sounds accurately yet. Don't even think about it. Until he can say more no one can predict what his speech sound development is like.

humblebumble Thu 09-May-13 17:51:50

This book by Sally Ward is a great book, it gives lots of tips on things you can do at different ages with your child to encourage them to talk. BabyTalk

Stangirl Fri 10-May-13 19:33:55

As there seems to be quite a few knowledgeable people on this thread could I pose a related question about my own DS.

He's 22months and only has about 4 words - mama, dada, sock and cat. Of these he only said the last two 3 or 4 times and now doesn't. I took him to the GP to have him checked for glue ear and they found no evidence that he has had it and referred me to a drop in speech therapy clinic in a month's time. How severely delayed is he? How much work are we going to have to do with him to help him catch up? Will he need on-going professional input?

lljkk Fri 10-May-13 19:48:02

How is his comprehension, Stangirl? Does he understand you easily or do you need to explain things carefully for him to have a chance?

As an aside, 5yo DS signed off of SLT today; hooray! He's even a little ahead of targets, now smile.

Stangirl Sat 11-May-13 10:07:07

He understands simple instructions, answers to his name etc. The other day his sister was asking for more milk and he went and got his bottle to give to her. He'll touch his nose if we ask him but not any other part of the body.

lljkk Sat 11-May-13 12:40:57

Still sounds within normal to me, Stangirl. Thing is there isn't a lot they do for under 2s other than try to teach you to communicate better (eye contact, clearly euniciating, working on listening skills). Age 2+ they can refer you for SLT who will identify specific weaknesses, but still little actual therapy until age 3-4+.

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